On this week’s episode, I have Lori Ann Arsenalt who is the founder and chief grounding officer of Freedom Within Wellness and certainly has made a huge career transition and life transition story too. Lori Ann was a human resources manager for 18 years over in Canada and in the government of Prince Edward Island and decided to change her life completely, and moved to Thailand and developed a career and business training TRE or trauma and tension release exercises. Freedom Within is a global wellness and coaching services company based in Chiang Mai Thailand, where I lived for about three years and freedom within offers Tre certification and training to people from all around the world.
On this episode, you will discover:
- How Lori Ann made the decision to leave her safe, secure government role of almost 20 years
- How she not only managed the transition of her career but her country and lifestyle too moving to Chiang Mai, Thailand
- What practice she has developed to fine tune her decision making and make great gut decisions continuously in career and life
- The concept of grounding and how it can help improve the clarity of your thought and relationships with others
- What’s the one thing that’s made Lori Ann Arsenault burn from within?
The full show notes and videos of other interviews are available at Burnfromwithin.com/interviews, so listen all the way through, and enjoy!
Resources:
- Monthly free TRE Facebook event with Lori Ann Arsenault (next one Sunday January 10th)
- Freedom Within Wellness: Facebook page and Website - https://www.yourfreedomwithin.com/
- TRE founder David Bercili video for you to follow grounding exercises for free on YouTube
Contact:
- Book a free 20-minute laser-focused clarity call to support you in your next major career or life decision here
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Matt Garrow-Fisher (00:27):
On this week's episode, I have Laurie
Ann Arsenalt, who's the founderand chief grounding officer of
freedom within wellness.
And has certainly made a hugecareer transition and life
transition story too.
Lorianne was a human resourcesmanager for 18 years.
(00:49):
Over in Canada in the governmentof Prince Edward Island and
decided to change her lifecompletely, uh, moved to
Thailand.
And developed a career andbusiness training T R E, or
trauma and tension releaseexercises.
Freedom within offers,TREtraining and certification to
(01:10):
people from all around the worldbased in Chiang Mai Thailand
where I lived for about threeyears on this episode, you will
discover how Lorianne made thedecision to leave a safe,
secure.
Government role of almost 20years.
How she not only managed thetransition of her career.
(01:31):
But her country and lifestyle tomoving to Thailand.
What practice she is developedto find tune her.
Decision-making.
I make great gut instincts anddecisions.
Continuously in career and life.
The concept of grounding.
And how it can help improve theclarity of your thought and
(01:55):
relationships with others.
And what's the one thing.
That's made Lorianne.
Burn from within.
The full show notes and videosof other interviews.
Are available@burnfromwithin.comforward slash interviews.
So listen all the way through.
And enjoy Let's go back toCanada back when you were
(02:15):
thinking about leaving a careerin local government, what a
change from from working in asan HR manager for many years,
what kind of prompted you to gohang on a second, maybe I want
to be on a different life path.
What do I do now?
What was that prompt?
Lori Ann Arsenault (02:36):
I think it was just an inner feeling or
recognition that life was great.
It was fine.
And I was grateful foreverything that was in my life.
I had the life that you'resupposed to have right.
The home.
And I had the.
The, we were all geared forcamping and kayaking and had
(02:56):
lots of holidays, of course,cause I'd been in government so
long and I knew the pension wascoming and the salary was fine
too and great people workingwith, but there was a
recognition of this feeling deepinside that was telling me it's
great.
It's okay now, but that's on adownturn.
(03:17):
It's I could feel that if Ididn't do something soon that I
would probably really losepassion and interest.
And my life has been that waywhere I've not really had to
wait for a big push from life tomake me change.
Normally I detect that and Ithink we all do.
It's just how tuned in we are toit.
(03:37):
So that's what happened is Ireally got tuned in.
To that place within me, thatwas, felt like it was going to
die inside.
Unless I actually did somethingdifferent, even though my
practical mind.
Was saying, this is what you'resupposed to have and you finally
have it.
You must be crazy.
(03:58):
Yeah.
Matt Garrow-Fisher (03:59):
And so was it like you say you're chewing,
you're tuned in, and you'realways changing, where we all
are.
Some of us probably need toupgrade our tuners, How did you
know when it was a time tochange, like for people that are
unhappy, but they don't know ifthey should change.
How could they know that?
Lori Ann Arsenault (04:19):
I think something that I learned.
Back at that time when I waspart of the leadership program
is about following your gut andnoticing how, whenever you
imagine yourself in onesituation, and you notice how
your overall body, mindfeelings, emotions, how
everything feels when you'reimagining yourself in that
(04:40):
situation.
And then this crazy idea that.
Been coming around your head inand out for a while.
You imagine if you did that, howdoes that feel?
And there's usually one of thosethat gives you some kind of a
relief.
Almost like a lightness and onethat feels more like a push.
And so that's what I've alwayspaid attention to.
(05:03):
So when I imagined, actuallydoing something different, I
felt a lightness.
It didn't mean that it seemedeasy.
Because that's when you start toget too much in detail about it,
it gets starts to get heavy, butit's just that initial feeling
of right now.
This feels light.
When I imagine that, and I givethat a lot of attention.
(05:27):
And I really honor that, butsometimes it just feels like
this crazy thought and that'swhat you'll automatically want
to call it is, Oh, that's justcraziness.
We shouldn't be following that,but actually it's not, if it's
one of the first things thatcome and you feel light, when
you think about it, Then chancesare it is the right thing.
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It just doesn't make practicalsense at this time, maybe.
So that's what I started feelinginto and it made it quite clear
that it was starting to feelheavy.
So I looked at heavy and lightand staying there much longer
was getting heavier and heavier.
Also.
I noticed that my usual passionfor work was weaning down each
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day.
So that was also a big sign forme, also my health, think my
health was fine, but I couldfeel that there wasn't that
extra bit of energy there.
Wasn't that feeling in themorning of, okay, I'm ready to
go.
And that can become normal.
That can become so normal thatwe just feel that way in the
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morning.
We don't pay attention to it,but it was speaking to me and I
noticed that.
Matt Garrow-Fisher (06:38):
Yeah, I'm fascinated by how attuned you
are to, to changes in your wholeexperience.
It's not just like I'm unhappy.
It's, I'm feeling lighter.
There's subtle details thatyou're noticing in your whole
human experience.
And I know both of us, you and Ihave studied NLP and like the
(06:59):
study of subjective humanexperience.
For those who might not be asattuned, what, what were, did
you have like regular practiceslike meditation, for example, or
yoga that enabled you to noticethese changes so that you could
start taking action to to lookto a new path?
Lori Ann Arsenault (07:18):
Yes.
By that time I would have beenspending time, not necessarily
calling it meditation because Ithink the minute we do that,
There can be expectations onwhat that is.
And so I just spent time still alot, just sitting with no music,
no anything, because I thinkwhen I did that, it helped me
(07:38):
start to make a separationbetween who really am I my truth
and what do I want and all ofthis conditioning.
And I think I felt as though,unless I actually stopped once
in a while and gave my chance.
Gave myself a chance to do that.
Then the two are meshed sotogether that I was constantly
in conflict with myself.
(08:00):
And so I was definitely doingsome meditation or just sitting
still.
And I also was crazy aboutself-help books then.
And I was actually part of aleadership program.
It was called pathways toleadership that was offering
government and all of the bookswere all about coming back to
your truth.
And that really being a leaderin government wasn't about the
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skills.
It was really about knowingyourself, knowing your, your
patterns that you get stuck intothat don't allow you to move on.
So I was certainly those twothings were the biggest things
for me, those readings and Beingin stillness.
And I would say too, that Istarted with small things in
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terms of noticing what I wantedthings as small as food, what is
it that I really want in thismoment?
Because many times it's justwhat we're we have a habit to
have.
So before using perhaps what I'mtalking about, hearing your gut
with bigger decisions, itstarted with smaller decisions.
Matt Garrow-Fisher (09:06):
Yeah.
Yeah.
And we'll go into this conceptof going within yourself, your
company is called freedom withinmy company is burned from
within.
So we're very aligned in the, ingoing in into yourself to find
answers.
Let's talk about the transitionand also that decision, like I'm
going to do something different.
(09:26):
How did you decide what to do
Lori Ann Arsenault (09:28):
next?
I think what I remember when youasked that question, what comes
to mind first is having to tellmy boss.
And that was almost like, it'sthat same feeling you get.
If you have to break up withsomeone, right?
It's you have to have theconversation, but.
It feels so scary and it just,you imagine the worst of what's
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going to happen.
And so that was actually one ofthe first things that I needed
to do, but I'm going to back upactually a little bit because it
actually took at the time I wasmarried.
It actually took us two years tofigure out how we could get the
finances to actually go.
Because when we left, we didn'tleave to move here.
(10:12):
We were just taking a year'sleave from work for a year to
explore something differentbecause we knew we really needed
to change.
And so that actually came fromfiguring out how can we afford
this?
How can we afford this to be notbeing paid?
(10:32):
So then we realized that therewas a deferred salary program in
government.
So I applied for that.
And so what happened is I got acertain percentage of my salary
for those two years until I had.
The time to actually go.
So that was number one wasfiguring that out, but then it
was the finances to go.
(10:52):
And what happened is one day Iwas sitting on one of my love
seats in the living room, and itdawned on me that this big,
beautiful four bedroom home thatwe were living in, that we build
ourselves and we had only beenin seven years, that it was only
a thing.
And that may be just maybe if wewere willing to let that go,
(11:18):
that would give us the freedom,but it took two years for that
to even become part of myconsciousness, because we were
so attached to that home.
And that's what freed me.
That was a very big moment.
Matt Garrow-Fisher (11:33):
That's so interesting because people often
ask me how do you have thislifestyle?
How do how can you leave?
And when I actually stoppedquestioning them, ma'am about
their circumstances.
Oh I've got a house, like somepeople don't even have a
mortgage and it's Hang on.
If you want to actually do thislifestyle, you just need to ask
the question, how do I make thefinances work?
(11:54):
And one of the big things ishomes.
If people own their own home,that there is an opportunity to
let go either sell it or rent itout.
And that gives you that littlenext step towards, the financial
journey of doing.
What you want to do, whetherthat's moved to another country
or perhaps breathing space to,to get another career.
So super interesting that youhad that realization.
(12:16):
And also that it took a whilefor you to let it go and realize
that.
So eventually you got thefinances together and then.
What made you come to Thailandin particular and what happened
next in terms of finding thatcareer
Lori Ann Arsenault (12:36):
Yes.
Yeah.
So I also want to add that whenwe sold the home, we were told
we'd never sell the home becauseit was during one of these
periods.
But because the other thing I'velearned is we have to trust and
make the decision first and thenthings fall into place.
That's what I learned in thatprocess too, is I've always
lived that you have to wait tillwhatever's supposed to happen,
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happens.
And then.
You're okay to do it, but weactually need to make it happen
in some way, even if it's onlynot outside of ourselves, but
inside ourselves, make thedecision and know this is it.
And so we actually ended upselling the house.
No problem.
And I'm sure that it's because.
We just really expected it to,and we were decided this is
(13:19):
really what was going to happen.
So why Thailand?
We, whenever we traveled, Ireally wanted to come to this
side of the world because it'sreally expensive to come to this
side of the world.
Cause I was from the very Eastcoast, like the East side of
Canada, so expensive and ittakes a really long time.
So to come here for three weeks,It didn't doesn't really make
(13:41):
sense.
It takes you a week just to getback to yourself.
So it's thought might as well dothe whole year on this end, on
this side of the planet.
And every time I came to ChiangMai, I felt, Oh, this big
relief.
It was like, it's where I'd cometo recharge.
And then go off to India, comeback and recharge, go off to
Australia, come back andrecharge.
(14:02):
And so by doing that each time,I just realized that there was
something here that just feltgood and felt, right?
Matt Garrow-Fisher (14:11):
So again, it's tapping into this feeling
of, okay.
I feel right now in changingyour career, I feel lighter
thinking about somethingdifferent and just continually
checking in with yourself aboutthat.
And then so you it felt rightwhen you're in Chiang Mai and so
then when you were there and yourealized, okay, this could be a
(14:34):
base for me now, what was thenext step in terms of taking you
to freedom within And how youdecided to start that business.
Lori Ann Arsenault (14:44):
that was no aware part of my horizon when I
decided to move here.
If someone had told me I neverwould have believed it I
actually decided to take a twoweek time massage training
course, because I felt like thatwould get me in the, a little
bit more as a local, because Iwould have to stay put in one
place and go to this.
(15:05):
College every day to learn.
And of course, as a result I metmany foreigners like myself were
already living here and theystarted taking me out to these
places that they go to.
And then I really got to knowfor sure this was it, but I
really, I used to live in a verysmall.
Safe life prior to making thatdecision.
(15:27):
It's quite something that I madethat decision I have to say to
even travel, to begin with.
Because I was a really safeperson and that's what I had
been used to, but I was breakingout of that slowly.
I went to a school where I feltthat I could learn how to teach
English because I'm a teacher atheart.
And I knew that I could be happyteaching for a while until I
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could figure out something else.
So I actually went to visit aschool before I left to go back
to my home in Canada to finishselling all the other things,
because the decision was onlymade once I finished that
massage course.
Matt Garrow-Fisher (16:06):
So there's something about teaching that
kind of lit you up and yourealize that was maybe your
purpose, certainly a passion howdid you discover that?
How did you know that teachingEnglish might be something that
would light you up and how didthat transition to unfolding
(16:26):
where you are now?
Lori Ann Arsenault (16:27):
Yeah.
Great question, because that'sexactly what unfolded it,
because I had learned throughthis leadership program, I was
doing a lot of books.
I was reading that really?
Maybe we don't have one purposein life and.
Dead.
We think there should be one.
And then we stress ourselves outtrying to find it that really,
we have many things that we'rejust good at, that are natural
(16:51):
for us, that people reallybenefit from when they're around
us.
It just exudes out of us withoutknowing, and we've been doing it
and expressing it since we werekids.
And so I had Al already beentuning in to see what were those
areas for me.
So I already felt that teachingwas.
Because in, in a great way tofigure that out is just to ask
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people around you, what do youget from being around me?
What do you see as my gifts?
And and I could see looking backeven right back to primary
school, how wow, already then Iwas sitting with other students,
helping them with their stuff.
And, and I noticed also that inuniversity, I was.
I guess you could say critical,but just always assessing my
(17:34):
professors, like they just didit this way.
That would be better, or, wow.
I really liked that they do itthat way.
So I just started seeing theevidence in my life that, yeah.
Wow.
A lot of my thoughts, a lot ofthe things I read, a lot of the
things I talk about are oftenfrom a place about teaching.
Matt Garrow-Fisher (17:54):
Yeah.
And it's so interesting that youyou got that feedback and it
shows your blindsides, right?
You know yourself, but also thelight, isn't shining so much on
these other areas that otherpeople think are obvious that
Hey, Lori's an excellentcommunicator.
And actually she's a really goodteacher and picking out those
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areas getting that external helpreally helps you to then be
curious about, Hey, maybe Icould do more of this.
Like for me, I various peoplesaid, Oh I your voice, or I
think you're confident and.
Previous jobs I'd had were, morebeing in front of the computer,
not really using my voice much.
And just having that externalfeedback.
(18:38):
It gives you the encouragement,doesn't it.
It's Hey, maybe I could go intothis direction and let's be
curious about that.
Let's move forward in thatdirection and see how that goes
and yeah, super useful.
And I, I coach people that and Iasked them.
I asked them to go and getfeedback, go.
And just maybe you had it inthe, in government as well.
Where in, in HR where you askstaff to to have feedback about
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other people as well, and thathap that massively benefits your
own life in a personal way.
So teach some from teaching toTre, what did you make that
step?
Lori Ann Arsenault (19:13):
Actually, the Tre for myself came first
two days before I left Canada todo the one year trip, which
turned out to be a year and ahalf.
I got a phone call from one ofthe trainers in that leadership
program that I had finishedalready three years.
Before.
And she said, there's somethingI need to teach you before you
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leave on this trip.
She lived two and a half hoursaway and I was leaving in two
days for a year of travel.
So you can imagine what was onmy list of things to do.
But I went because I reallytrusted this woman.
And I thought, if she thinks Ishould have this, I'm going to
go for it.
It's happening for a reason.
And she taught me Tre to do itfor myself.
(19:58):
So during the entire year oftravel, I did my own.
My own T R E.
And so that really was a bigpart of me, realizing that,
okay, this is all feeling good.
This is all feeling right.
Cause anytime you leave yourenvironment you really, you're
not in your usual routine.
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So you just notice yourself moreand you're creating every day
new.
So you're not in your usualroutines.
So those two things together.
And so I just continued to do myown Tre while I was a teacher.
And if anybody wanted to tryTre, I always sent them to
someone to learn, but then Istarted thinking, why can't I
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become a teacher of tra myselfand the person who actually.
Told me that I needed to learn.
Tra before I left, she wasactually a trainer working with
the founder of Tre.
And so she, and it was her dreamto move to Asia for parts of the
year.
So once I moved here, it allowedher to do that too.
(21:00):
So she's been here every year,except this year, of course,
ever since.
And she actually trained me tobe a Tre certified provider
while she was here.
Matt Garrow-Fisher (21:12):
Wow.
So I, it was a mixture of fateand you being ready at the time
to to take on something you andalso it became a passion and
helped you in your transition.
It was an actual tool andpractice that helped you.
With a new lifestyle, a newenvironment figuring out what to
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do, meeting all these new peoplehelped you personally.
And from that you, you had theopportunity to make make a
business out of it and join thisnetwork.
So now you have your own studioand you train people all over
the world.
What was it like to actuallybuild up to that point, to
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getting your own studio andgrowing the business because you
had a background in governmentfor 20 years.
I don't know how much kind ofexperience you have been before
that in terms of setting upsomething like this, like your
own thing.
It could be quite daunting forpeople and a lot of people
listening who might not havethat experience and might be a
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bit scared, but they do have apassion.
They would like to make it abusiness.
How did you make that?
Lori Ann Arsenault (22:21):
When I was a Tre provider, I was offering
some sessions here and there,but I didn't have a business
yet.
It's not until I became acertification trainer that I
actually then.
I started to look at maybehaving a business because
anybody who's living in anothercountry in order to work in that
other country, you need to havea work permit and you need to
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have these of course.
And so it just made sense tofollow along and actually have a
company.
I try to do this about fourtimes.
And so what kept happening is Iwasn't ready yet.
And so I just had to reallytrust timing.
So the first few times that Iwent, Oh my goodness.
When they told me the answers,it felt heavy.
(23:05):
It felt complicated.
It felt really hard.
And so by then I could reallytrust that.
Okay.
It's just not time.
Sometimes, what's in yourfuture.
But it's just not quite timeyet.
And so by the fourth time that Iwent, it was a cinch.
I met the same person that I'dmet three times prior and within
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five minutes we were shakinghands and he was like, okay,
let's do this.
And so it was just time.
So it was just really trusting.
And I also.
See a very strong correlationbetween having courage to act
before we know for sure thepracticalities of it, like we
were talking about before.
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I have never, till this dayexperienced any time where I
found just that bit of courageto do something, even though I
didn't know the exact outcomethat after I do that, something
comes that I never could haveimagined.
It just it correlates, it worksthat way.
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Doesn't it?
Matt Garrow-Fisher (24:08):
It's funny how it does.
And it's inexplicably in a waybut nice to know, it's also nice
to have that belief as wellthat, things will work out, if
you give it time, Things do workout is the, it's a principle
that I've mentioned this severaltimes on the show in Vipasaana
there's this concept of aniccha,which is basically just let
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things be and over timewhatever's going on in your
life.
It will pass and things change.
And and you just have to give ittime and allow that.
And you did in your transition,starting the business going back
four times to finally shakehands and make it happen.
It was giving it time andchecking in with yourself as
well.
That was another thing for thisfeeling of, Hey, this is right.
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This is this is good for me.
I wanted to go into more detailabout TRE and really what that
is.
Let's go straight into that,What is TRE, and how can it help
people?
Lori Ann Arsenault (25:03):
Okay Tre is a practice that actually uses
the instinctual brain versus thethinking brain that we're all
really trained to use to dopretty much everything.
And so that's what really makesit unique because it reactivates
a mechanism that we're alldesigned.
As mammals.
So animals have this mechanismalso to actually help us calm
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down our nervous system after aspecific threat or stressful
event or an our cases, becausewe've all been conditioned to
just keep everything inside andnot necessarily express it.
It actually helps us releaseyears and years of.
Deep built up tension in oursystem and release all kinds of
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adrenaline and cortisol from oursystem and how we do that is
David Berceli the founder fromPhoenix, Arizona.
He spent a lot of time in wartorn countries and through
observation, he realized thatwe, our natural healing
mechanism is actually shakingand people may have seen dogs
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shake before when there'sthunder and lightning or
fireworks.
We're designed to do exactly thesame thing.
It's when our nervous systemgets too aroused.
It wants to shake, but somehowwe've been socially conditioned
that shaking makes us look weak.
Oh, now you're really sickbecause you're shaking or now
there's really something wrong.
Or even if I was doing thispodcast now, and my voice was
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shaking, people may not trust meas much because.
I would think that, there'ssomething wrong or I should be
more confident I'm weak or soall of these ideas.
So he actually went back toAmerica and he worked at
inventing simple exercises thatactually tired the muscles in
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your body that are involved inyour stress response.
And he figured out that if youtire those muscles just enough,
that natural shaking willactually occur in a passive
position while you're lying onthe floor so that you can begin
to release these years and yearsof buildup that we carry around
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every day.
Matt Garrow-Fisher (27:15):
And yeah it's fascinating this concept of
releasing through shaking andand also people holding their
emotions because there'ssomething about our society that
says we can't show signs ofweakness.
And that's what bottles up theseemotions and I read a book
called Taming The Tiger.
Sorry.
Lori Ann Arsenault (27:36):
Waking the tiger.
Matt Garrow-Fisher (27:37):
Waking the tiger.
No, that was it.
So that was my first foray intothis concept of flight fight or
flight, but also freeze.
And when.
Any being freezes trauma istrapped and that needs to be
released.
And all I would say to, tolisteners is I've even the first
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Tre class that I did with you.
You literally, you feel lighterand this whole concept of
feeling lighter and moregrounded Talk a little bit about
that, because this is actuallybeen quite a important part of
your career.
Transition is checking in withyourself to see how you feel and
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that feeling of lightness iswhat guided you to say.
I'm going to leave my career of18 years and go to another
country.
That's a big decision and youplayed it.
You yourself said you wereplaying it.
You had a quite secure safe,comfortable life.
But you checked in with thisfeeling and that was a big, that
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was a prompt for a big lifechange and a big career change.
How, so this concept ofgrounding talk more about that
and how people can use that tomake.
Decisions that could lead to newbusiness new careers, a new
lifestyle.
Lori Ann Arsenault (28:55):
Yeah.
Great.
Yeah.
So the grounding is somethingthat we've, we really focus on
here at freedom within, alongwith the Tre doing Tre and it
just grounds your nervous.
System naturally.
But what we also know is whenyou start to ground your nervous
system, you also start to comedown.
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And some of that stuff that youhave been carrying around that
your nervous system has helpedyou block out because it was too
much to manage or feel it.
And as you ground more, youstart coming down into it and
feeling it more.
Our role has really been alsosupporting people and guiding
people as that starts to happenand what we pride ourselves in,
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because it's what we do here inthe team is really understanding
that grounding andself-regulation is getting
acquainted with your own nervoussystem.
Because your nervous system isactually the core of everything
you do, the partners that youattract in life, the hobbies,
(29:57):
your job, your personality, it'sall based on where you're
revving in your system.
So if you have a really highrevving system, nervous system,
then probably you're into bigmotorbikes like I am, and you're
probably into really.
Extreme sports because you havethat adrenaline.
So that's just an example.
So it drives everything.
(30:18):
So you live life through whereyou are in that nervous system.
When your nervous system getsactivated because of some
stimuli, a sound, something,something, you smell something,
you feel your nervous systemautomatically reacts to that.
And you're thrown around inthis.
Because it goes into automaticreactions.
(30:40):
So self-regulation and groundingis really noticing the early
signs that we're loo we'relosing our commonplace, our
ground.
And already starting to dogrounding techniques.
This kind of puts you in thedriver's seat of your life
because you're actually noticingyour nervous system.
(31:01):
You're getting acquainted withit because it's running the
show.
Really for yourself noticingwhat are my triggers, how do I
know I'm getting triggered andactivated in my nervous, the
system and what are some thingsthat I can do to make the choice
to come back down, to be moreconnected, to feel more and to
(31:21):
make a response versus go intothat automatic reaction.
Maybe that we always have.
That's always given us the sameresults.
Matt Garrow-Fisher (31:30):
And talking to results.
One of the things I really likeabout Tre and certainly the way
you teach it is there's this,you use metrics, right?
You ask people at the beginningof the class, how grounded do
you feel like where howconnected are you to essentially
to yourself?
And then through the series ofthese exercises you then ask
(31:54):
people to check in a score outof 10 and very often it goes up
and, in some cases it really, ittransforms in just one session.
How do you think regularlymaking sure that your grounding
level is higher or optimized?
Shall we say, how do you thinkthat can help people in their
everyday life?
Lori Ann Arsenault (32:15):
Yes.
Okay.
So certainly, being grounded ineveryday life is it's,
life-changing, it's a real gamechanger because you're no longer
run by things or feel like hapthings are happening to you.
You feel like.
You are the calm in the middleof the storm, that these things
are just happening around you.
(32:36):
And you're not as logged intothem or identified because
grounding gives you space ineach of your present moments to
actually respond in a differentway.
So it's life changing yourrelationships.
Get tighter also because.
The nervous system is all aboutsafety.
(32:56):
So you just mentioned fightflight and freeze, and there's
also fawn, right?
Peter Levine coined that term.
And it's because today, most ofus when we're ungrounded it's
because it's our ego identity.
That is actually threatened, butthe nervous system acts in
exactly the same way it goesinto threat and it puts you in
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protection and survival mode.
So when you start to ground outof that, your connections with
people get really strong becauseyou are feeling safer and more
connected with yourself.
And that can happen as soon asthe first.
Round of Tre or very soon after,because that's what it's doing
(33:37):
is it's helping you feel saferwithin yourself.
Matt Garrow-Fisher (33:41):
And a second question on from that is you've
been practicing this for manyyears now, as well as teaching
what long-term benefits have younoticed from this?
Lori Ann Arsenault (33:51):
For me long-term and I think I could
say probably the same for mostof the trainees that were
training in the program and thathave now become certified
globally certified tier youproviders is that I'm facing
fear.
Is much, much different becausethe nervous system is out about
protection and fear.
(34:12):
So the calm or you feel the moreconnected and safe you feel
within yourself, the more thatwhen fear comes up, it's thing,
it's a thing out here.
It doesn't overtake me and I canstill make the decision to move
through it with presence.
But the idea is not to always begrounded.
(34:32):
You have to lose your groundtoo.
And that's where you learn,right?
You're you transcend thosetoughest times, you recognize,
but you're watching yourself nowget all fearful and activated
and freaking out and, or reallydisconnected because you're in a
breakup right now.
And you're feeling upset aboutthat.
So you can tell your nervoussystem, has you blocked off a
(34:53):
little bit?
But it's with awareness, you'rewatching this versus being
identified with it, which allowsyou to be in the driver's seat
of making decisions that aremaybe better for you than if you
were just in that usual reactionmode.
Matt Garrow-Fisher (35:12):
Yeah, and I love this because that's what
band from within is all about.
It's making decisions to movetowards a more passionate
perhaps for an unbalanced lifeand basically to be happier.
And having a practice, a regularpractice that enables you to not
just at once, but continue to doit, whether that's, you make a
decision for career changethrough to you, you're in a
(35:34):
career.
And it's like, how do I, what doI do next for my business or for
my happiness, for my health andmy relationships, everything.
And so having that kind ofclarity of thought is super key.
And if, to find a practice Ifind, when I first started doing
meditation and I don't practiceit regularly, I have to say but
when I first tried it out I waslike, what?
(35:55):
I don't think I felt anythinghere, but that Tre you, you
actually feel it in one session.
And then, and that's what Ifind.
Think, definitely recommendpeople to, to at least try out
what, how can people we'll getstarted with Tre?
Where can they go to learn moreabout it?
And how can they startpracticing it regularly?
Lori Ann Arsenault (36:16):
It just takes an hour and a half to
either do a class.
So do it with other people or todo a one-on-one session.
And one benefit that did comeout of COVID is that it forced
Tre online.
So it's now being offeredonline, but of course it's
always better in person becauseit's really about safety and the
nervous system, but we've beenamazed at the results online
(36:40):
too.
So to figure out if there'ssomeone near, you can go to the
trauma prevention.com.
Website and click on find aprovider and you can actually
search by city to see if there'ssomeone close to you that you
can actually book an in-personsession with.
Of course, if that's in yourcountry at the moment, and there
(37:04):
are also some online classes, weoffer a free monthly class
online, and the next one iscoming up on January 10th.
And there are also some of ourproviders that we trained that
are in Europe that are alsooffering their own.
We call them Tre shakeups, whichare also groups, group shakes.
And in group classes that takesabout 90 minutes.
(37:27):
And some people just prefer todo it privately, and we can do
private sessions online as well.
And usually when people do aboutthree sessions is the magic.
I think that people really feela shift that while this is
something I feel comfortable andsafe to do on my own.
And then it's your practice fora lifetime.
(37:49):
And I should add to that DavidBird, the founder, he actually
has an official exercise videoon YouTube.
So people can also choose tojust do it on their own, but we
really recommend that.
People do it with the providerat least the first few times so
that we can help people realizetheir own level of self
(38:10):
regulation and help them withthat so that they can fully
maximize and get the bestbenefits.
Because otherwise we approachTre from where we're at in our
nervous system already.
So if we go hard at everything,cause we have a lot of
adrenaline in our system, we goabout tra the same way and
overwhelm ourselves, which addsmore stress rather than release
(38:33):
it.
Matt Garrow-Fisher (38:34):
Awesome.
And I'll put all of those linksto two courses.
The David Vercelli video in theshow notes to this show.
Let's talk a little bit aboutpurpose and how that's evolved.
And we were talking before westarted recording about, people
have this Imagination orconception that there is where
(38:56):
there's only one purpose.
And if I don't find that in mylife, my life is ruined kind of
thing.
What would you say is yourpurpose now?
And how do you think it'sevolved over time?
And also it might not be onepurpose.
There might be one of many.
Lori Ann Arsenault (39:12):
Yes.
So I think if I had to say theone purpose, it would be to
really realize my truest gifts.
I think that's all our truestpurposes is to realize what
those are and really own them.
And really value them thatshifts everything.
And then anything that comesalong in my case, T R E, and
(39:34):
it's not always going to be Tre,it could be something else.
Those come along as vehiclesthat allow you to actually
express that gift.
If I think about even being anHR manager, I see how my gifts
of being a teacher, creating asafe space and Just really being
a great listener and beingpresent, like those things that
(39:54):
I just do naturally withouttrying, I use those.
And they really were helpful asan HR manager and that's what
people appreciated in me.
So I think it's just realizingwhat those gifts are.
And I think our other mainpurpose is really to wake up out
of all of this socialconditioning, that personal
(40:16):
identity.
That's been put on us andnothing wrong with that.
We needed it.
It's all fine.
But we have a choice now toreally know that our truth of
who we are is probably not that.
And so I feel that is really thepurpose and to every day, remind
(40:37):
ourselves of what those giftsare and to see how we're
expressing them and continue toown them and value them.
Then, everything, there's not awhole lot to learn after that,
because then you're aligned withyour truth and things begin to
you begin to attract thingsquite quickly.
(40:59):
In that way in that place ofrealignment.
And when we notice, when Inotice that I'm off alignment,
that's when I'm feeling heavy.
That's when things get hard,that's when the negative voice
kicks in.
That's when my jaws start toclench.
That's when my digestion startsto go a bit crazy.
(41:19):
That's when my diet's not sogood.
That's when I stopped going tothe gym, those are all my signs
that I'm off my path.
And I'm not aligned.
And so it's time to stop andthen just reformat the path and
come back.
And it's crazy how quickly whenyou realize you're off and you
(41:40):
come back just by slowing downand relaxing a bit more and
letting go a bit and trustinghow quickly things will realign
again in your life.
So those are my purposes.
Those are always my focuses.
Matt Garrow-Fisher (41:56):
And I absolutely love that because I
think we're very aligned in thesense that, some of the coaching
I do, it finds what, whatactivities energize people and
what activities take energy awayfrom you, whether that's, doing
psychometric tests or askingyour friends or having a.
(42:16):
A kind of stock take of yourlife of Hey, what do you enjoy?
What do you love?
What gives you energy?
What what is your kind ofnatural, raw talents and
strengths and things that youlove doing and bring, as you
said, bringing out these gifts,these natural gifts and giving
them to the world and enjoyingusing them.
(42:36):
That's something that I alsolove to do and talking about
authenticity and being true toyourself, and again, I've talked
about this a lot in the show.
The biggest regret of the dyingis I, the number one regret by
Bronnie ware who wrote the booktop five regrets of the dying
was I wish I lived a life trueto myself.
(42:57):
Not one that others expected ofme.
That's the number one regret andhave the foresight to actually
have an active plan and astrategy for, Hey, how do I do
this?
How do I avoid the biggestregret of.
Most humans I think is a smartstrategy.
That's awesome.
My last question Lorianne andthis might be related to, to, to
(43:20):
what you've already shared, butI consider someone that lives
with.
Passion and purpose and balancein their life.
Someone that burns from withinwhat's the one thing that has
enabled you, do you think toburn from within, in your life
right now?
Lori Ann Arsenault (43:37):
I would have to say Tiara is a very big part
of that because it's reallyallowed me to release a lot of
that adrenaline and charge, thatwas caught in my body from just
keeping everything inside for solong.
So that it really allows me tofeel more what is right and what
(43:58):
is not right, because it gets soconfusing.
When if you think about a, youalready up in that activated
state, that's where most peoplelive nowadays.
And so being living in thatreally activated state, we just
get really confused and we alsoget on a treadmill.
So for me, I think groundingthat nervous system and the
(44:18):
definition of grounding in Treis just being aware of your body
sensations.
My thoughts, my emotions withoutjudging or analyzing.
So I would say that's probablyit.
Matt is really noticing myselfthe negative voice, the awful
feelings, the pain, that, allthat stuff that is supposed to
(44:42):
happen to help us evolve to thenext level, but not, but be in
less and less judgment andanalysis about that.
Just knowing it's also here.
To help me.
And like you said, before, it isgoing to pass
Matt Garrow-Fisher (44:58):
And I completely see how that can help
people in business as well,because it's all about reality.
Your, with your thoughts, your,with your feelings, and if
things change, even if they'renot pretty, and that.
Painful just being aware ofreality and not trying to
analyze it and change it in yourmind.
It, it translates into so manydifferent areas of how can I
(45:20):
manage change, by being aware ofthe actual, your present
reality, your situation.
It's from that, it's almost fromthat data of the real data.
This is how I can just recognizeit and then take the next step.
I absolutely love it.
And I think that the biggestkind of takeaway I got from this
conversation was really aroundchecking in with yourself and
(45:43):
that.
That's been an important part ofyour life even before Tre when
you you just didn't realize it.
And Tre is this natural gift ofthat you have of actually being
able to check in with yourselfand sharing that with others so
that they can make betterdecisions, be able to have
clearer thoughts, feel happier,feel healthier.
(46:05):
And really be real, be authenticbe their true selves.
So that's been a prompt toactually have more of a regular
practice of being able to gointo that.
Being able to sit in silence tobe able to do Tre, to be able to
just actually, not lettingsociety dictate things but
(46:26):
checking in with yourself.
So that's been a huge takeawayfor me.
So thank you so much.
And it's been an absolutepleasure.
Lori Ann Arsenault (46:32):
Yeah.
Thank you very much.
I've thoroughly enjoyed this andthank you for doing these shows.
It's fabulous.
I love the work that you'redoing.
It's really needed and cheersfor that.
Thank you.
Matt Garrow-Fisher (46:44):
Thank you.
If you want to learn more aboutTre check out the links in the
show notes now and try it out.
I notice a difference in mylevel of grounding and clarity
of thought.
After just one set of exercises.
So I totally recommend you trythis out for yourself.
And if you want to have supportabout big decisions in your
(47:06):
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Live with passion.
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On this week's episode, I have Laurie
Ann Arsenalt, who's the founderand chief grounding officer of
freedom within wellness.
And has certainly made a hugecareer transition and life
transition story too.
Lorianne was a human resourcesmanager for 18 years.
(00:49):
Over in Canada in the governmentof Prince Edward Island and
decided to change her lifecompletely, uh, moved to
Thailand.
And developed a career andbusiness training T R E, or
trauma and tension releaseexercises.
Freedom within offers,TREtraining and certification to
(01:10):
people from all around the worldbased in Chiang Mai Thailand
where I lived for about threeyears on this episode, you will
discover how Lorianne made thedecision to leave a safe,
secure.
Government role of almost 20years.
How she not only managed thetransition of her career.
(01:31):
But her country and lifestyle tomoving to Thailand.
What practice she is developedto find tune her.
Decision-making.
I make great gut instincts anddecisions.
Continuously in career and life.
The concept of grounding.
And how it can help improve theclarity of your thought and
(01:55):
relationships with others.
And what's the one thing.
That's made Lorianne.
Burn from within.
The full show notes and videosof other interviews.
Are available@burnfromwithin.comforward slash interviews.
So listen all the way through.
And enjoy Let's go back toCanada back when you were
(02:15):
thinking about leaving a careerin local government, what a
change from from working in asan HR manager for many years,
what kind of prompted you to gohang on a second, maybe I want
to be on a different life path.
What do I do now?
What was that prompt?
Lori Ann Arsenault (02:36):
I think it was just an inner feeling or
recognition that life was great.
It was fine.
And I was grateful foreverything that was in my life.
I had the life that you'resupposed to have right.
The home.
And I had the.
The, we were all geared forcamping and kayaking and had
(02:56):
lots of holidays, of course,cause I'd been in government so
long and I knew the pension wascoming and the salary was fine
too and great people workingwith, but there was a
recognition of this feeling deepinside that was telling me it's
great.
It's okay now, but that's on adownturn.
(03:17):
It's I could feel that if Ididn't do something soon that I
would probably really losepassion and interest.
And my life has been that waywhere I've not really had to
wait for a big push from life tomake me change.
Normally I detect that and Ithink we all do.
It's just how tuned in we are toit.
(03:37):
So that's what happened is Ireally got tuned in.
To that place within me, thatwas, felt like it was going to
die inside.
Unless I actually did somethingdifferent, even though my
practical mind.
Was saying, this is what you'resupposed to have and you finally
have it.
You must be crazy.
(03:58):
Yeah.
Matt Garrow-Fisher (03:59):
And so was it like you say you're chewing,
you're tuned in, and you'realways changing, where we all
are.
Some of us probably need toupgrade our tuners, How did you
know when it was a time tochange, like for people that are
unhappy, but they don't know ifthey should change.
How could they know that?
Lori Ann Arsenault (04:19):
I think something that I learned.
Back at that time when I waspart of the leadership program
is about following your gut andnoticing how, whenever you
imagine yourself in onesituation, and you notice how
your overall body, mindfeelings, emotions, how
everything feels when you'reimagining yourself in that
(04:40):
situation.
And then this crazy idea that.
Been coming around your head inand out for a while.
You imagine if you did that, howdoes that feel?
And there's usually one of thosethat gives you some kind of a
relief.
Almost like a lightness and onethat feels more like a push.
And so that's what I've alwayspaid attention to.
(05:03):
So when I imagined, actuallydoing something different, I
felt a lightness.
It didn't mean that it seemedeasy.
Because that's when you start toget too much in detail about it,
it gets starts to get heavy, butit's just that initial feeling
of right now.
This feels light.
When I imagine that, and I givethat a lot of attention.
(05:27):
And I really honor that, butsometimes it just feels like
this crazy thought and that'swhat you'll automatically want
to call it is, Oh, that's justcraziness.
We shouldn't be following that,but actually it's not, if it's
one of the first things thatcome and you feel light, when
you think about it, Then chancesare it is the right thing.
(05:47):
It just doesn't make practicalsense at this time, maybe.
So that's what I started feelinginto and it made it quite clear
that it was starting to feelheavy.
So I looked at heavy and lightand staying there much longer
was getting heavier and heavier.
Also.
I noticed that my usual passionfor work was weaning down each
(06:10):
day.
So that was also a big sign forme, also my health, think my
health was fine, but I couldfeel that there wasn't that
extra bit of energy there.
Wasn't that feeling in themorning of, okay, I'm ready to
go.
And that can become normal.
That can become so normal thatwe just feel that way in the
(06:30):
morning.
We don't pay attention to it,but it was speaking to me and I
noticed that.
Matt Garrow-Fisher (06:38):
Yeah, I'm fascinated by how attuned you
are to, to changes in your wholeexperience.
It's not just like I'm unhappy.
It's, I'm feeling lighter.
There's subtle details thatyou're noticing in your whole
human experience.
And I know both of us, you and Ihave studied NLP and like the
(06:59):
study of subjective humanexperience.
For those who might not be asattuned, what, what were, did
you have like regular practiceslike meditation, for example, or
yoga that enabled you to noticethese changes so that you could
start taking action to to lookto a new path?
Lori Ann Arsenault (07:18):
Yes.
By that time I would have beenspending time, not necessarily
calling it meditation because Ithink the minute we do that,
There can be expectations onwhat that is.
And so I just spent time still alot, just sitting with no music,
no anything, because I thinkwhen I did that, it helped me
(07:38):
start to make a separationbetween who really am I my truth
and what do I want and all ofthis conditioning.
And I think I felt as though,unless I actually stopped once
in a while and gave my chance.
Gave myself a chance to do that.
Then the two are meshed sotogether that I was constantly
in conflict with myself.
(08:00):
And so I was definitely doingsome meditation or just sitting
still.
And I also was crazy aboutself-help books then.
And I was actually part of aleadership program.
It was called pathways toleadership that was offering
government and all of the bookswere all about coming back to
your truth.
And that really being a leaderin government wasn't about the
(08:22):
skills.
It was really about knowingyourself, knowing your, your
patterns that you get stuck intothat don't allow you to move on.
So I was certainly those twothings were the biggest things
for me, those readings and Beingin stillness.
And I would say too, that Istarted with small things in
(08:44):
terms of noticing what I wantedthings as small as food, what is
it that I really want in thismoment?
Because many times it's justwhat we're we have a habit to
have.
So before using perhaps what I'mtalking about, hearing your gut
with bigger decisions, itstarted with smaller decisions.
Matt Garrow-Fisher (09:06):
Yeah.
Yeah.
And we'll go into this conceptof going within yourself, your
company is called freedom withinmy company is burned from
within.
So we're very aligned in the, ingoing in into yourself to find
answers.
Let's talk about the transitionand also that decision, like I'm
going to do something different.
(09:26):
How did you decide what to do
Lori Ann Arsenault (09:28):
next?
I think what I remember when youasked that question, what comes
to mind first is having to tellmy boss.
And that was almost like, it'sthat same feeling you get.
If you have to break up withsomeone, right?
It's you have to have theconversation, but.
It feels so scary and it just,you imagine the worst of what's
(09:51):
going to happen.
And so that was actually one ofthe first things that I needed
to do, but I'm going to back upactually a little bit because it
actually took at the time I wasmarried.
It actually took us two years tofigure out how we could get the
finances to actually go.
Because when we left, we didn'tleave to move here.
(10:12):
We were just taking a year'sleave from work for a year to
explore something differentbecause we knew we really needed
to change.
And so that actually came fromfiguring out how can we afford
this?
How can we afford this to be notbeing paid?
(10:32):
So then we realized that therewas a deferred salary program in
government.
So I applied for that.
And so what happened is I got acertain percentage of my salary
for those two years until I had.
The time to actually go.
So that was number one wasfiguring that out, but then it
was the finances to go.
(10:52):
And what happened is one day Iwas sitting on one of my love
seats in the living room, and itdawned on me that this big,
beautiful four bedroom home thatwe were living in, that we build
ourselves and we had only beenin seven years, that it was only
a thing.
And that may be just maybe if wewere willing to let that go,
(11:18):
that would give us the freedom,but it took two years for that
to even become part of myconsciousness, because we were
so attached to that home.
And that's what freed me.
That was a very big moment.
Matt Garrow-Fisher (11:33):
That's so interesting because people often
ask me how do you have thislifestyle?
How do how can you leave?
And when I actually stoppedquestioning them, ma'am about
their circumstances.
Oh I've got a house, like somepeople don't even have a
mortgage and it's Hang on.
If you want to actually do thislifestyle, you just need to ask
the question, how do I make thefinances work?
(11:54):
And one of the big things ishomes.
If people own their own home,that there is an opportunity to
let go either sell it or rent itout.
And that gives you that littlenext step towards, the financial
journey of doing.
What you want to do, whetherthat's moved to another country
or perhaps breathing space to,to get another career.
So super interesting that youhad that realization.
(12:16):
And also that it took a whilefor you to let it go and realize
that.
So eventually you got thefinances together and then.
What made you come to Thailandin particular and what happened
next in terms of finding thatcareer
Lori Ann Arsenault (12:36):
Yes.
Yeah.
So I also want to add that whenwe sold the home, we were told
we'd never sell the home becauseit was during one of these
periods.
But because the other thing I'velearned is we have to trust and
make the decision first and thenthings fall into place.
That's what I learned in thatprocess too, is I've always
lived that you have to wait tillwhatever's supposed to happen,
(12:57):
happens.
And then.
You're okay to do it, but weactually need to make it happen
in some way, even if it's onlynot outside of ourselves, but
inside ourselves, make thedecision and know this is it.
And so we actually ended upselling the house.
No problem.
And I'm sure that it's because.
We just really expected it to,and we were decided this is
(13:19):
really what was going to happen.
So why Thailand?
We, whenever we traveled, Ireally wanted to come to this
side of the world because it'sreally expensive to come to this
side of the world.
Cause I was from the very Eastcoast, like the East side of
Canada, so expensive and ittakes a really long time.
So to come here for three weeks,It didn't doesn't really make
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sense.
It takes you a week just to getback to yourself.
So it's thought might as well dothe whole year on this end, on
this side of the planet.
And every time I came to ChiangMai, I felt, Oh, this big
relief.
It was like, it's where I'd cometo recharge.
And then go off to India, comeback and recharge, go off to
Australia, come back andrecharge.
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And so by doing that each time,I just realized that there was
something here that just feltgood and felt, right?
Matt Garrow-Fisher (14:11):
So again, it's tapping into this feeling
of, okay.
I feel right now in changingyour career, I feel lighter
thinking about somethingdifferent and just continually
checking in with yourself aboutthat.
And then so you it felt rightwhen you're in Chiang Mai and so
then when you were there and yourealized, okay, this could be a
(14:34):
base for me now, what was thenext step in terms of taking you
to freedom within And how youdecided to start that business.
Lori Ann Arsenault (14:44):
that was no aware part of my horizon when I
decided to move here.
If someone had told me I neverwould have believed it I
actually decided to take a twoweek time massage training
course, because I felt like thatwould get me in the, a little
bit more as a local, because Iwould have to stay put in one
place and go to this.
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College every day to learn.
And of course, as a result I metmany foreigners like myself were
already living here and theystarted taking me out to these
places that they go to.
And then I really got to knowfor sure this was it, but I
really, I used to live in a verysmall.
Safe life prior to making thatdecision.
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It's quite something that I madethat decision I have to say to
even travel, to begin with.
Because I was a really safeperson and that's what I had
been used to, but I was breakingout of that slowly.
I went to a school where I feltthat I could learn how to teach
English because I'm a teacher atheart.
And I knew that I could be happyteaching for a while until I
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could figure out something else.
So I actually went to visit aschool before I left to go back
to my home in Canada to finishselling all the other things,
because the decision was onlymade once I finished that
massage course.
Matt Garrow-Fisher (16:06):
So there's something about teaching that
kind of lit you up and yourealize that was maybe your
purpose, certainly a passion howdid you discover that?
How did you know that teachingEnglish might be something that
would light you up and how didthat transition to unfolding
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where you are now?
Lori Ann Arsenault (16:27):
Yeah.
Great question, because that'sexactly what unfolded it,
because I had learned throughthis leadership program, I was
doing a lot of books.
I was reading that really?
Maybe we don't have one purposein life and.
Dead.
We think there should be one.
And then we stress ourselves outtrying to find it that really,
we have many things that we'rejust good at, that are natural
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for us, that people reallybenefit from when they're around
us.
It just exudes out of us withoutknowing, and we've been doing it
and expressing it since we werekids.
And so I had Al already beentuning in to see what were those
areas for me.
So I already felt that teachingwas.
Because in, in a great way tofigure that out is just to ask
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people around you, what do youget from being around me?
What do you see as my gifts?
And and I could see looking backeven right back to primary
school, how wow, already then Iwas sitting with other students,
helping them with their stuff.
And, and I noticed also that inuniversity, I was.
I guess you could say critical,but just always assessing my
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professors, like they just didit this way.
That would be better, or, wow.
I really liked that they do itthat way.
So I just started seeing theevidence in my life that, yeah.
Wow.
A lot of my thoughts, a lot ofthe things I read, a lot of the
things I talk about are oftenfrom a place about teaching.
Matt Garrow-Fisher (17:54):
Yeah.
And it's so interesting that youyou got that feedback and it
shows your blindsides, right?
You know yourself, but also thelight, isn't shining so much on
these other areas that otherpeople think are obvious that
Hey, Lori's an excellentcommunicator.
And actually she's a really goodteacher and picking out those
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areas getting that external helpreally helps you to then be
curious about, Hey, maybe Icould do more of this.
Like for me, I various peoplesaid, Oh I your voice, or I
think you're confident and.
Previous jobs I'd had were, morebeing in front of the computer,
not really using my voice much.
And just having that externalfeedback.
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It gives you the encouragement,doesn't it.
It's Hey, maybe I could go intothis direction and let's be
curious about that.
Let's move forward in thatdirection and see how that goes
and yeah, super useful.
And I, I coach people that and Iasked them.
I asked them to go and getfeedback, go.
And just maybe you had it inthe, in government as well.
Where in, in HR where you askstaff to to have feedback about
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other people as well, and thathap that massively benefits your
own life in a personal way.
So teach some from teaching toTre, what did you make that
step?
Lori Ann Arsenault (19:13):
Actually, the Tre for myself came first
two days before I left Canada todo the one year trip, which
turned out to be a year and ahalf.
I got a phone call from one ofthe trainers in that leadership
program that I had finishedalready three years.
Before.
And she said, there's somethingI need to teach you before you
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leave on this trip.
She lived two and a half hoursaway and I was leaving in two
days for a year of travel.
So you can imagine what was onmy list of things to do.
But I went because I reallytrusted this woman.
And I thought, if she thinks Ishould have this, I'm going to
go for it.
It's happening for a reason.
And she taught me Tre to do itfor myself.
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So during the entire year oftravel, I did my own.
My own T R E.
And so that really was a bigpart of me, realizing that,
okay, this is all feeling good.
This is all feeling right.
Cause anytime you leave yourenvironment you really, you're
not in your usual routine.
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So you just notice yourself moreand you're creating every day
new.
So you're not in your usualroutines.
So those two things together.
And so I just continued to do myown Tre while I was a teacher.
And if anybody wanted to tryTre, I always sent them to
someone to learn, but then Istarted thinking, why can't I
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become a teacher of tra myselfand the person who actually.
Told me that I needed to learn.
Tra before I left, she wasactually a trainer working with
the founder of Tre.
And so she, and it was her dreamto move to Asia for parts of the
year.
So once I moved here, it allowedher to do that too.
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So she's been here every year,except this year, of course,
ever since.
And she actually trained me tobe a Tre certified provider
while she was here.
Matt Garrow-Fisher (21:12):
Wow.
So I, it was a mixture of fateand you being ready at the time
to to take on something you andalso it became a passion and
helped you in your transition.
It was an actual tool andpractice that helped you.
With a new lifestyle, a newenvironment figuring out what to
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do, meeting all these new peoplehelped you personally.
And from that you, you had theopportunity to make make a
business out of it and join thisnetwork.
So now you have your own studioand you train people all over
the world.
What was it like to actuallybuild up to that point, to
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getting your own studio andgrowing the business because you
had a background in governmentfor 20 years.
I don't know how much kind ofexperience you have been before
that in terms of setting upsomething like this, like your
own thing.
It could be quite daunting forpeople and a lot of people
listening who might not havethat experience and might be a
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bit scared, but they do have apassion.
They would like to make it abusiness.
How did you make that?
Lori Ann Arsenault (22:21):
When I was a Tre provider, I was offering
some sessions here and there,but I didn't have a business
yet.
It's not until I became acertification trainer that I
actually then.
I started to look at maybehaving a business because
anybody who's living in anothercountry in order to work in that
other country, you need to havea work permit and you need to
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have these of course.
And so it just made sense tofollow along and actually have a
company.
I try to do this about fourtimes.
And so what kept happening is Iwasn't ready yet.
And so I just had to reallytrust timing.
So the first few times that Iwent, Oh my goodness.
When they told me the answers,it felt heavy.
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It felt complicated.
It felt really hard.
And so by then I could reallytrust that.
Okay.
It's just not time.
Sometimes, what's in yourfuture.
But it's just not quite timeyet.
And so by the fourth time that Iwent, it was a cinch.
I met the same person that I'dmet three times prior and within
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five minutes we were shakinghands and he was like, okay,
let's do this.
And so it was just time.
So it was just really trusting.
And I also.
See a very strong correlationbetween having courage to act
before we know for sure thepracticalities of it, like we
were talking about before.
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I have never, till this dayexperienced any time where I
found just that bit of courageto do something, even though I
didn't know the exact outcomethat after I do that, something
comes that I never could haveimagined.
It just it correlates, it worksthat way.
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Doesn't it?
Matt Garrow-Fisher (24:08):
It's funny how it does.
And it's inexplicably in a waybut nice to know, it's also nice
to have that belief as wellthat, things will work out, if
you give it time, Things do workout is the, it's a principle
that I've mentioned this severaltimes on the show in Vipasaana
there's this concept of aniccha,which is basically just let
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things be and over timewhatever's going on in your
life.
It will pass and things change.
And and you just have to give ittime and allow that.
And you did in your transition,starting the business going back
four times to finally shakehands and make it happen.
It was giving it time andchecking in with yourself as
well.
That was another thing for thisfeeling of, Hey, this is right.
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This is this is good for me.
I wanted to go into more detailabout TRE and really what that
is.
Let's go straight into that,What is TRE, and how can it help
people?
Lori Ann Arsenault (25:03):
Okay Tre is a practice that actually uses
the instinctual brain versus thethinking brain that we're all
really trained to use to dopretty much everything.
And so that's what really makesit unique because it reactivates
a mechanism that we're alldesigned.
As mammals.
So animals have this mechanismalso to actually help us calm
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down our nervous system after aspecific threat or stressful
event or an our cases, becausewe've all been conditioned to
just keep everything inside andnot necessarily express it.
It actually helps us releaseyears and years of.
Deep built up tension in oursystem and release all kinds of
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adrenaline and cortisol from oursystem and how we do that is
David Berceli the founder fromPhoenix, Arizona.
He spent a lot of time in wartorn countries and through
observation, he realized thatwe, our natural healing
mechanism is actually shakingand people may have seen dogs
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shake before when there'sthunder and lightning or
fireworks.
We're designed to do exactly thesame thing.
It's when our nervous systemgets too aroused.
It wants to shake, but somehowwe've been socially conditioned
that shaking makes us look weak.
Oh, now you're really sickbecause you're shaking or now
there's really something wrong.
Or even if I was doing thispodcast now, and my voice was
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shaking, people may not trust meas much because.
I would think that, there'ssomething wrong or I should be
more confident I'm weak or soall of these ideas.
So he actually went back toAmerica and he worked at
inventing simple exercises thatactually tired the muscles in
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your body that are involved inyour stress response.
And he figured out that if youtire those muscles just enough,
that natural shaking willactually occur in a passive
position while you're lying onthe floor so that you can begin
to release these years and yearsof buildup that we carry around
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every day.
Matt Garrow-Fisher (27:15):
And yeah it's fascinating this concept of
releasing through shaking andand also people holding their
emotions because there'ssomething about our society that
says we can't show signs ofweakness.
And that's what bottles up theseemotions and I read a book
called Taming The Tiger.
Sorry.
Lori Ann Arsenault (27:36):
Waking the tiger.
Matt Garrow-Fisher (27:37):
Waking the tiger.
No, that was it.
So that was my first foray intothis concept of flight fight or
flight, but also freeze.
And when.
Any being freezes trauma istrapped and that needs to be
released.
And all I would say to, tolisteners is I've even the first
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Tre class that I did with you.
You literally, you feel lighterand this whole concept of
feeling lighter and moregrounded Talk a little bit about
that, because this is actuallybeen quite a important part of
your career.
Transition is checking in withyourself to see how you feel and
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that feeling of lightness iswhat guided you to say.
I'm going to leave my career of18 years and go to another
country.
That's a big decision and youplayed it.
You yourself said you wereplaying it.
You had a quite secure safe,comfortable life.
But you checked in with thisfeeling and that was a big, that
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was a prompt for a big lifechange and a big career change.
How, so this concept ofgrounding talk more about that
and how people can use that tomake.
Decisions that could lead to newbusiness new careers, a new
lifestyle.
Lori Ann Arsenault (28:55):
Yeah.
Great.
Yeah.
So the grounding is somethingthat we've, we really focus on
here at freedom within, alongwith the Tre doing Tre and it
just grounds your nervous.
System naturally.
But what we also know is whenyou start to ground your nervous
system, you also start to comedown.
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And some of that stuff that youhave been carrying around that
your nervous system has helpedyou block out because it was too
much to manage or feel it.
And as you ground more, youstart coming down into it and
feeling it more.
Our role has really been alsosupporting people and guiding
people as that starts to happenand what we pride ourselves in,
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because it's what we do here inthe team is really understanding
that grounding andself-regulation is getting
acquainted with your own nervoussystem.
Because your nervous system isactually the core of everything
you do, the partners that youattract in life, the hobbies,
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your job, your personality, it'sall based on where you're
revving in your system.
So if you have a really highrevving system, nervous system,
then probably you're into bigmotorbikes like I am, and you're
probably into really.
Extreme sports because you havethat adrenaline.
So that's just an example.
So it drives everything.
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So you live life through whereyou are in that nervous system.
When your nervous system getsactivated because of some
stimuli, a sound, something,something, you smell something,
you feel your nervous systemautomatically reacts to that.
And you're thrown around inthis.
Because it goes into automaticreactions.
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So self-regulation and groundingis really noticing the early
signs that we're loo we'relosing our commonplace, our
ground.
And already starting to dogrounding techniques.
This kind of puts you in thedriver's seat of your life
because you're actually noticingyour nervous system.
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You're getting acquainted withit because it's running the
show.
Really for yourself noticingwhat are my triggers, how do I
know I'm getting triggered andactivated in my nervous, the
system and what are some thingsthat I can do to make the choice
to come back down, to be moreconnected, to feel more and to
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make a response versus go intothat automatic reaction.
Maybe that we always have.
That's always given us the sameresults.
Matt Garrow-Fisher (31:30):
And talking to results.
One of the things I really likeabout Tre and certainly the way
you teach it is there's this,you use metrics, right?
You ask people at the beginningof the class, how grounded do
you feel like where howconnected are you to essentially
to yourself?
And then through the series ofthese exercises you then ask
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people to check in a score outof 10 and very often it goes up
and, in some cases it really, ittransforms in just one session.
How do you think regularlymaking sure that your grounding
level is higher or optimized?
Shall we say, how do you thinkthat can help people in their
everyday life?
Lori Ann Arsenault (32:15):
Yes.
Okay.
So certainly, being grounded ineveryday life is it's,
life-changing, it's a real gamechanger because you're no longer
run by things or feel like hapthings are happening to you.
You feel like.
You are the calm in the middleof the storm, that these things
are just happening around you.
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And you're not as logged intothem or identified because
grounding gives you space ineach of your present moments to
actually respond in a differentway.
So it's life changing yourrelationships.
Get tighter also because.
The nervous system is all aboutsafety.
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So you just mentioned fightflight and freeze, and there's
also fawn, right?
Peter Levine coined that term.
And it's because today, most ofus when we're ungrounded it's
because it's our ego identity.
That is actually threatened, butthe nervous system acts in
exactly the same way it goesinto threat and it puts you in
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protection and survival mode.
So when you start to ground outof that, your connections with
people get really strong becauseyou are feeling safer and more
connected with yourself.
And that can happen as soon asthe first.
Round of Tre or very soon after,because that's what it's doing
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is it's helping you feel saferwithin yourself.
Matt Garrow-Fisher (33:41):
And a second question on from that is you've
been practicing this for manyyears now, as well as teaching
what long-term benefits have younoticed from this?
Lori Ann Arsenault (33:51):
For me long-term and I think I could
say probably the same for mostof the trainees that were
training in the program and thathave now become certified
globally certified tier youproviders is that I'm facing
fear.
Is much, much different becausethe nervous system is out about
protection and fear.
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So the calm or you feel the moreconnected and safe you feel
within yourself, the more thatwhen fear comes up, it's thing,
it's a thing out here.
It doesn't overtake me and I canstill make the decision to move
through it with presence.
But the idea is not to always begrounded.
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You have to lose your groundtoo.
And that's where you learn,right?
You're you transcend thosetoughest times, you recognize,
but you're watching yourself nowget all fearful and activated
and freaking out and, or reallydisconnected because you're in a
breakup right now.
And you're feeling upset aboutthat.
So you can tell your nervoussystem, has you blocked off a
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little bit?
But it's with awareness, you'rewatching this versus being
identified with it, which allowsyou to be in the driver's seat
of making decisions that aremaybe better for you than if you
were just in that usual reactionmode.
Matt Garrow-Fisher (35:12):
Yeah, and I love this because that's what
band from within is all about.
It's making decisions to movetowards a more passionate
perhaps for an unbalanced lifeand basically to be happier.
And having a practice, a regularpractice that enables you to not
just at once, but continue to doit, whether that's, you make a
decision for career changethrough to you, you're in a
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career.
And it's like, how do I, what doI do next for my business or for
my happiness, for my health andmy relationships, everything.
And so having that kind ofclarity of thought is super key.
And if, to find a practice Ifind, when I first started doing
meditation and I don't practiceit regularly, I have to say but
when I first tried it out I waslike, what?
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I don't think I felt anythinghere, but that Tre you, you
actually feel it in one session.
And then, and that's what Ifind.
Think, definitely recommendpeople to, to at least try out
what, how can people we'll getstarted with Tre?
Where can they go to learn moreabout it?
And how can they startpracticing it regularly?
Lori Ann Arsenault (36:16):
It just takes an hour and a half to
either do a class.
So do it with other people or todo a one-on-one session.
And one benefit that did comeout of COVID is that it forced
Tre online.
So it's now being offeredonline, but of course it's
always better in person becauseit's really about safety and the
nervous system, but we've beenamazed at the results online
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too.
So to figure out if there'ssomeone near, you can go to the
trauma prevention.com.
Website and click on find aprovider and you can actually
search by city to see if there'ssomeone close to you that you
can actually book an in-personsession with.
Of course, if that's in yourcountry at the moment, and there
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are also some online classes, weoffer a free monthly class
online, and the next one iscoming up on January 10th.
And there are also some of ourproviders that we trained that
are in Europe that are alsooffering their own.
We call them Tre shakeups, whichare also groups, group shakes.
And in group classes that takesabout 90 minutes.
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And some people just prefer todo it privately, and we can do
private sessions online as well.
And usually when people do aboutthree sessions is the magic.
I think that people really feela shift that while this is
something I feel comfortable andsafe to do on my own.
And then it's your practice fora lifetime.
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And I should add to that DavidBird, the founder, he actually
has an official exercise videoon YouTube.
So people can also choose tojust do it on their own, but we
really recommend that.
People do it with the providerat least the first few times so
that we can help people realizetheir own level of self
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regulation and help them withthat so that they can fully
maximize and get the bestbenefits.
Because otherwise we approachTre from where we're at in our
nervous system already.
So if we go hard at everything,cause we have a lot of
adrenaline in our system, we goabout tra the same way and
overwhelm ourselves, which addsmore stress rather than release
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it.
Matt Garrow-Fisher (38:34):
Awesome.
And I'll put all of those linksto two courses.
The David Vercelli video in theshow notes to this show.
Let's talk a little bit aboutpurpose and how that's evolved.
And we were talking before westarted recording about, people
have this Imagination orconception that there is where
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there's only one purpose.
And if I don't find that in mylife, my life is ruined kind of
thing.
What would you say is yourpurpose now?
And how do you think it'sevolved over time?
And also it might not be onepurpose.
There might be one of many.
Lori Ann Arsenault (39:12):
Yes.
So I think if I had to say theone purpose, it would be to
really realize my truest gifts.
I think that's all our truestpurposes is to realize what
those are and really own them.
And really value them thatshifts everything.
And then anything that comesalong in my case, T R E, and
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it's not always going to be Tre,it could be something else.
Those come along as vehiclesthat allow you to actually
express that gift.
If I think about even being anHR manager, I see how my gifts
of being a teacher, creating asafe space and Just really being
a great listener and beingpresent, like those things that
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I just do naturally withouttrying, I use those.
And they really were helpful asan HR manager and that's what
people appreciated in me.
So I think it's just realizingwhat those gifts are.
And I think our other mainpurpose is really to wake up out
of all of this socialconditioning, that personal
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identity.
That's been put on us andnothing wrong with that.
We needed it.
It's all fine.
But we have a choice now toreally know that our truth of
who we are is probably not that.
And so I feel that is really thepurpose and to every day, remind
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ourselves of what those giftsare and to see how we're
expressing them and continue toown them and value them.
Then, everything, there's not awhole lot to learn after that,
because then you're aligned withyour truth and things begin to
you begin to attract thingsquite quickly.
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In that way in that place ofrealignment.
And when we notice, when Inotice that I'm off alignment,
that's when I'm feeling heavy.
That's when things get hard,that's when the negative voice
kicks in.
That's when my jaws start toclench.
That's when my digestion startsto go a bit crazy.
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That's when my diet's not sogood.
That's when I stopped going tothe gym, those are all my signs
that I'm off my path.
And I'm not aligned.
And so it's time to stop andthen just reformat the path and
come back.
And it's crazy how quickly whenyou realize you're off and you
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come back just by slowing downand relaxing a bit more and
letting go a bit and trustinghow quickly things will realign
again in your life.
So those are my purposes.
Those are always my focuses.
Matt Garrow-Fisher (41:56):
And I absolutely love that because I
think we're very aligned in thesense that, some of the coaching
I do, it finds what, whatactivities energize people and
what activities take energy awayfrom you, whether that's, doing
psychometric tests or askingyour friends or having a.
(42:16):
A kind of stock take of yourlife of Hey, what do you enjoy?
What do you love?
What gives you energy?
What what is your kind ofnatural, raw talents and
strengths and things that youlove doing and bring, as you
said, bringing out these gifts,these natural gifts and giving
them to the world and enjoyingusing them.
(42:36):
That's something that I alsolove to do and talking about
authenticity and being true toyourself, and again, I've talked
about this a lot in the show.
The biggest regret of the dyingis I, the number one regret by
Bronnie ware who wrote the booktop five regrets of the dying
was I wish I lived a life trueto myself.
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Not one that others expected ofme.
That's the number one regret andhave the foresight to actually
have an active plan and astrategy for, Hey, how do I do
this?
How do I avoid the biggestregret of.
Most humans I think is a smartstrategy.
That's awesome.
My last question Lorianne andthis might be related to, to, to
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what you've already shared, butI consider someone that lives
with.
Passion and purpose and balancein their life.
Someone that burns from withinwhat's the one thing that has
enabled you, do you think toburn from within, in your life
right now?
Lori Ann Arsenault (43:37):
I would have to say Tiara is a very big part
of that because it's reallyallowed me to release a lot of
that adrenaline and charge, thatwas caught in my body from just
keeping everything inside for solong.
So that it really allows me tofeel more what is right and what
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is not right, because it gets soconfusing.
When if you think about a, youalready up in that activated
state, that's where most peoplelive nowadays.
And so being living in thatreally activated state, we just
get really confused and we alsoget on a treadmill.
So for me, I think groundingthat nervous system and the
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definition of grounding in Treis just being aware of your body
sensations.
My thoughts, my emotions withoutjudging or analyzing.
So I would say that's probablyit.
Matt is really noticing myselfthe negative voice, the awful
feelings, the pain, that, allthat stuff that is supposed to
(44:42):
happen to help us evolve to thenext level, but not, but be in
less and less judgment andanalysis about that.
Just knowing it's also here.
To help me.
And like you said, before, it isgoing to pass
Matt Garrow-Fisher (44:58):
And I completely see how that can help
people in business as well,because it's all about reality.
Your, with your thoughts, your,with your feelings, and if
things change, even if they'renot pretty, and that.
Painful just being aware ofreality and not trying to
analyze it and change it in yourmind.
It, it translates into so manydifferent areas of how can I
(45:20):
manage change, by being aware ofthe actual, your present
reality, your situation.
It's from that, it's almost fromthat data of the real data.
This is how I can just recognizeit and then take the next step.
I absolutely love it.
And I think that the biggestkind of takeaway I got from this
conversation was really aroundchecking in with yourself and
(45:43):
that.
That's been an important part ofyour life even before Tre when
you you just didn't realize it.
And Tre is this natural gift ofthat you have of actually being
able to check in with yourselfand sharing that with others so
that they can make betterdecisions, be able to have
clearer thoughts, feel happier,feel healthier.
(46:05):
And really be real, be authenticbe their true selves.
So that's been a prompt toactually have more of a regular
practice of being able to gointo that.
Being able to sit in silence tobe able to do Tre, to be able to
just actually, not lettingsociety dictate things but
(46:26):
checking in with yourself.
So that's been a huge takeawayfor me.
So thank you so much.
And it's been an absolutepleasure.
Lori Ann Arsenault (46:32):
Yeah.
Thank you very much.
I've thoroughly enjoyed this andthank you for doing these shows.
It's fabulous.
I love the work that you'redoing.
It's really needed and cheersfor that.
Thank you.
Matt Garrow-Fisher (46:44):
Thank you.
If you want to learn more aboutTre check out the links in the
show notes now and try it out.
I notice a difference in mylevel of grounding and clarity
of thought.
After just one set of exercises.
So I totally recommend you trythis out for yourself.
And if you want to have supportabout big decisions in your
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life.
Such as changing your career.
Or thinking about taking adifferent life path like moving
countries are shiftinglifestyles.
I can help you gain real clarityabout your decision.
So you're confident to stepforward to a new path in life.
Just go to burn from within.comforward slash call CA double L
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