April 30, 2021 • 45 mins
In this episode I speak with Camilla Sacre-Dallerup, a former Strictly Come Dancing champion who completed reinvented herself to a new career and lifestyle, moving from the UK to LA with her husband Kevin in the process to completely reinvent themselves. This is a fascinating conversation about recognising your ego in your career and life and having the discipline to keep it in check to really be who you truly are, not what is expected of you. We talk about the sacrifices needed during her career transition, accepting that you don’t need anything and the huge implications this had on taking risks to pursue what she really wanted in life.
Resources:
- Camilla’s website with all her meditations, courses, resources and ways to connect direct with her is right here.
- Camilla challenged me to do her 21 Day Meditation Experience and I’m currently doing it and absolutely loving it - here it is free for you too.
Books:
- I read Camilla’s book Reinvent Me, all about not just career change but identity reinvention. So practical and useful exercises inside - thoroughly recommend this.
- Camilla has two other books, It’s Not You, It’s Me - about self love to transform relationships and Dream Believe Succeed, filled with actions to actually achieve what you dream about.
- Her books are available on Amazon or Camilla’s website
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Matt Garrow-Fisher (00:28):
On this week's episode, I have Camila
Sacre-Dallerup, a formerstrictly come dancing champion
who completely reinventedherself to a new career and
lifestyle.
Moving from the UK to LA withher husband, Kevin.
In the process to completelyreinvent themselves.
This is a fascinatingconversation about recognizing
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your ego in your career in lifeand having the discipline to let
it go over time, to be reallywho you truly are, not what is
expected of you.
We talk about the sacrificesneeded during her career
transition.
Accepting that you don't needanything.
And the huge implications thishas on taking risks to pursue
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what you really want.
The full show notes and videosof other interviews are
available@burnfromwithin.comforward slash interviews.
So listen all the way throughand enjoy Camilla is a
international best-sellingauthor of three books.
It's not you it's me.
Reinvent me how to transformyour life and career and dream
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believe succeed.
Camilla was a championprofessional dancer before
becoming one of the originalcast members of strictly come
dancing, camilla won her sixseries, the 2008 series of
strictly come dancing withcelebrity partner, Tom chambers,
but then made a controversialdecision to quit.
(01:58):
And this is where herre-invention really began.
Kamila.
Welcome to the show is reallygreat to have you here.
Thank
Camilla Sacre-Dallerup (02:05):
you.
Ma'am thank you so much.
It seems like a lifetime ago,when you say those things about
dancing, I'm like, Oh yeah, Iused to do that.
Matt Garrow-Fisher (02:13):
Yeah.
I'm a big strictly fan myself asa lot of listeners will be, of
course.
And I guess one of the kind ofquestions that comes up, cause
you chose to leave that thatcareer, that lifestyle before we
get into the, the reasons forthat.
What were some of the perks,would you say?
Being a celebrity and being inthat world of strictly come
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dancing and.
After discussing.
And why did you choose to walkaway from them?
Camilla Sacre-Dallerup (02:40):
The perks or whatever you want to
call it?
I think what was so wonderfullyfed in a situation like that or
in any position where you you'redoing a job where you feel like
the job is your identity, youego is fed, right?
So the ego was loving thelifestyle, right?
The ego was loving thelimelight, but.
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Who I really am at the core, ofmy soul was just so empty.
It was just like wanting to havea chat or a dance no pun
intended or maybe with my ego,because honestly I think my soul
was so tired of my ego being incharge and it was a weird one
actually, because.
First of all, I had spent almostmy entire life becoming an
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expert at something workingreally hard.
I didn't have a normalchildhood.
I had a childhood where I hadchosen to be an athlete, which
meant getting up and trainingeven on the day.
She didn't feel like it.
By choice, I had chosen thatpath because.
I was so eager to travel theworld and dancing became the
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tool to do I was so eager toconnect with people and dancing
became to Duke the tool to dobut that took me on such a
massive path that I could'venever, ever imagined, through
competing and traveling theworld.
We lectured and competed in 36countries.
I saw the world with my dancingand then ended up in this dream
job on, on strictly comedancing.
My ego was loving it.
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Part of me was also reallyenjoying it.
It was very creative, right.
But I, there, I was connectingwith people and then thinking,
but now I have everything Ithought I ever wanted, but I'm
not connecting in the way that Iwant to.
I don't even have time toactually have a conversation
with the people that I'mmeeting.
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What's happening.
And so I have learned so much,through my entire time as an
athlete that I use all of thetools today, because really
there's no difference from beingan athlete in sports or in
business, really.
I call them business athletesthese days with all the things
that are expected.
But yeah, I found myself in avery lost.
Place within actually before Idecided to walk away.
And anybody who's been in asimilar situation where they've
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just woken up one day and beenin a relationship or in a work
situation where they thought, Idon't really want to do this
anymore.
Know what I mean?
And I thought I have to gofigure out who I am.
And actually Deepak Chopra usesthese words with his children
and did throughout their entirelife by asking who am I every
single morning?
I got to the point when I askedmyself, who am I, where I was
like, I don't know who I am, whoam, I don't know.
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I re I, I knew one thing.
And that was that I reallywanted to get to a point where I
could say whoever and I couldsay I'm content And on a mission
to find out what that lookedlike to wake up in the morning
and think.
I'm okay.
I'm content.
I'm not because of the amount oftrophies that I've won, or my
name is in the paper on the TV,but just because I'm true to me,
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I'm my authentic self.
Matt Garrow-Fisher (05:36):
Wow.
What a journey you've had aswell.
And you talk about the ego andhow difficult it was to.
To separate yourself from it.
And actually discover who youtruly are.
Camilla Sacre-Dallerup (05:49):
Can I just add to that actually,
because when you say it likethat, I think this is important
for people to hear.
Do you know this often peoplearound, you don't know what to
do with that when you leavesomething that you've been so
that's your identity.
They know us.
Matt, the lawyer, Camilla, thedancer, Sam, the accountant,
like that, good with that.
Let's not rock the boat.
(06:10):
So when you then say to yourfriends I really think I'm just
gonna I need to leave this.
It's not for me that like,that's crazy.
Like what are you doing?
What how do we like refer tothat confused?
So you have that too, and thenyou really got to go.
Yeah.
But I need to do this for me.
Matt Garrow-Fisher (06:24):
So how do you know who you truly are?
Like, cause, cause when you wereat, on strictly and you're
having a great lifestyle.
Great in, in a lot of people's alot of people's minds anyway You
were, you felt unhappy andunfulfilled, and that was at
some point at some level.
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And that was a reason to startthis journey and look and find
out how to have to be contentwith yourself essentially.
That journey of discovery?
Like now you're a life coach, amindfulness coach, like you met
you, you lead meditations allover the world.
How did you discover who youtruly are and what led you to
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that path?
Cause it's very different tomaybe w what you were doing on
strictly.
Camilla Sacre-Dallerup (07:08):
So many words are flowing through my
mind.
We have this beautiful saying inDenmark, always remember to
bring yourself along.
And I think if in a sense of, Idon't know if you get the
meaning of that, because itdoesn't sound the same when I
say it in English, but it's Ifelt like part of me had not
been brought along.
Does that make sense?
I w I felt become this personwhere that's, what was expected
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and that's what you do.
And there was a part of, duty,you do your job and I was really
good at turning up and doing myjob, but my Camilla, like the
person within had been, so mylife had been so regimented and
I felt I hadn't grown.
As a person on a soul level forwhat I needed, what is that I
actually found interesting now,at 35 compared to 25, because of
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course that might not be thesame.
So in order to do I needed tolet go of all of those things
for a little bit and go on aninward inside out journey rather
than outside in.
So much of my life had beenbased on the outside, in, when
you get that, you'll be happy.
And that's why I love in NLP.
We talk a lot about that when Iget that, I'll be happy when I
get that.
I'll be happy if that's the, ifthat's the They a way you work,
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you probably never be happy,right?
Because we need to be happy hereright in this moment.
And then we can attract thethings in that we want.
And actually there was a sportspsychology.
I can't remember the book backin the day when I was a
competitor and reading thatsentence actually was a very
important time in my life, in mylate twenties.
That kind of up-leveled my.
My kind of joy in life and mycareer from knowing that I have
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to be happy now, but I stilldidn't think that I had, I
didn't have enough time to getto know myself because I was on
this career path.
I hit it for a burnout of 35,just to give you an idea of how
career-driven I was, so itwasn't until the universe sent
this wonderful burnout justafter I left the show.
So I could really sit in theuncomfortableness of wow.
Everything I've ever caredabout.
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Everything that I love.
I'm empty and I don't reallycare so much right now.
I need to figure out what do Icare about now?
And that's why I talk about in,in Reinvent Me, me starting by
nurturing the things that youactually, that, that kind of
lights a fire within.
What do am I passionate aboutstill?
I knew that one thing I'mpassionate about is helping
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others is serving somehow inthis world is connecting to
people just like yourself.
I'm fascinated.
I'm fascinated by people'sstories.
Everybody has a story that willencourage or inspire someone
else.
So yeah, that was a big journeyto go and find out in this kind
of, really lost year of my life.
I was just searching for littlethings that, Oh, this I'm still
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passionate about this.
I find fun, but it took time.
I'm not going to like brush overthis Oh, I left my career and
then I found another becausetrust me, that's not how it
felt.
Matt Garrow-Fisher (09:48):
Yeah.
Was it a case of following yourcuriosity?
Cause you talked about what,what was missing in my life?
Like how did you I guess typethose steps to find out what was
missing and was part of it.
Curiosity.
Was there something else, wasthere a structured process?
Was it like, how did you goabout that?
Camilla Sacre-Dallerup (10:07):
I've always had a love for Any kind
of books that talks aboutmotivation and mind and so
forth.
So I dive into that area andstarted looking for courses that
I could take that was feeding mysoul.
It was all about me receiving, Ithink also I was just depleted
and tired from being the onegiving.
And I was just, I wanted to goback to school.
Basically I wanted to receive.
(10:27):
And I had started a few yearsearlier when I was doing
Strictly.
Yes.
That I'd actually signed up for,to study psychology at London
university.
But because the series took overand I got into the momentum was
Strictly, I just put that aside.
So I was still curious to studythings that could feed my mind
and just be, I was very curious.
I still am still alwayslearning.
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So I wanted to explore some ofthe tools that I had used to
win.
In my career, I wanted toexplore them to how I could use
them to feel good inside out.
And so that started with takingan NLP course and then the
hypnotherapy, and then there wasmindfulness and I started doing
some motivational speaking, justsharing my story and hearing
what people needed.
And and yeah, it was a journey,but I will say there was a lot
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of fear too.
I'd left behind a lucrativeliving.
So I had to make changes in mylife too, because it wasn't just
like I had saved enough money tonot earn money.
So I would still have one footin the dance world.
I would still be doing some gigsthere whilst that would pay for
my training.
So I just want people to knowit's not like I just went on
this journey and could afford topay for not to work or anything
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like that.
Because I think when people lookat you and magazines and stuff
to say, Oh, that was easy forher.
I think everybody goes on ajourney, right?
And the step-by-step approachone step at a time.
I just simply start a bit what'sthe first course that I feel I'm
interested in taking.
And that was NLP actually, whichI just thought was so practical
and such a great foundation foreverything I did after that.
Matt Garrow-Fisher (11:54):
There were sacrifices, you made quite a lot
of sacrifices.
And you talked about it in yourbook, you and your husband,
Kevin, you both made sacrifices,you move to LA, that was a big
upheaval as well.
Like it's not just a careerchange, a life change.
Like your whole network waslike, you had to meet lots of
new people, all of that kind ofstuff.
(12:16):
Yeah.
And again, I'm going back to myown curiosity now and about ego,
like it was suck, talking aboutego, to leave that lifestyle and
to have that title of, Strictlychampion and you're, in the
press a lot.
You and suddenly you're in asituation where you're basically
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almost completely startingagain.
You talk about the term rereinvent me, reinvent yourself.
What's the significance of ofthat term reinvents.
And why do you use that term inparticular instead of.
Life change, career change andthat kind of stuff, because for
me that's almost like a level ofI'm changing my entire identity.
(12:58):
Yeah.
Camilla Sacre-Dallerup (13:00):
I felt like it in the sense that I
wasn't going to be Camilla todancer, I was going to be Kamila
so re-invent or coming homeeither, but I was reinventing
how people were perceiving meand believe it enough.
That's quite a big deal too,because.
For so many years after I leftstrictly come dancing, no matter
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what I had done, even afterwriting my first book and moving
to LA people would still say,yeah, but are you going back to
dancing?
It was like that.
Just like with one word, justlike just wipe away five years
of work.
You know what I mean?
Like they didn't, it just didn'tsuit.
Sometimes there's the story thatI was doing something
differently because they likedme that, in the D and I'm
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grateful for that.
I, it was the most magical timeof my life.
And at the same time, it wasjust not what my soul was
craving anymore, because I wasmeant to do something else.
I feel like what I do today, Ican only describe as I've come
home.
And so when I came to LA, I didan exercise, which was really on
LA.
I realized later the most onHollywood thing to do when I
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went down and connected with theowner of unplug meditation,
where I've now been working forover six years.
I went down to write an articleabout the studio and I just
never left.
I told you on, I can't leave I'mhome.
I need to work here.
This is the best.
And for the entire year, I hadpromised myself, I wouldn't talk
about my past.
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I would be right in the moment.
And it was, it made me so happya year later when somebody said,
Oh my goodness, is that yourbook?
Camilla?
I didn't even know you used todo, they call it dancing with
the stars.
I didn't know.
You were part of a strictly comedancing.
And then some of the peoplethey'd gotten to know me.
They were like yeah, she is,they were like, loves sharing
it, but I was so proud of myselffor.
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Just being Camilla, that theywould meet at the studio that
they love to meditate with orshare whatever, felt safe to
share the story with, or workwith me on stress or confidence.
I just didn't, I didn't need theold identity after that.
I would say the reinventing ofit actually for me means that I
went through the kind of lettinggo of that and then bringing it
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all back to full circle.
Does that make sense?
Because then I realized that noKamila be proud of your past
there's things that you havelearned that you can now share
because of what you've done andyou work really hard for it.
But I did go through a lot.
It was like I had to almost loseit to have it.
Yeah.
Again, and then I've built itall back in together now and now
I really own it.
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But for a time being, I neededto really get back in, I think I
needed to get into my feminineenergy because I've been such an
athlete.
I was since.
I was in such a masculine energyfor so many years of my life.
It was like survival mode.
Almost like my schedule wascrazy.
We will travel to Japan.
We'll get in a car.
Don said competition would geton the plane.
We'll get to China.
We'll dance.
It was not really normal when Ilook back, I think, how did I do
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that?
I'm a highly sensitive person.
No.
One of my immune system wasalways down at the time.
So I was had on my body.
I was had on myself and I neededto nurture me.
As a person.
So that's what reinventingmeans.
It meant thinking about me in anew and fresh way.
That's how I saw reinvention.
How can I think about myself ina new and fresh way?
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That's actually aligned with mysoul.
Matt Garrow-Fisher (16:20):
That is so fascinating that you, first of
all, chose to not bring up yourpast and into your new life,
into this reinvention.
First of all, choosing to dothat.
But second of all, having thediscipline to out for a year,
that's pretty impressive.
And that, again, that comes backto, for me most people would
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want to feed their ego.
And that actually is what keepsthem in a career that they might
not enjoy or might not fulfillthem anymore.
But how did you have thediscipline and the like where
did that come from?
Cause for me, and I think a lotof people to be able to walk
away from your previous job, forexample, someone might have been
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working.
In banking, for example, for 30years, but they didn't feel they
don't feel fulfilled anymore.
And and to walk away from that,not just from the lifestyle and,
people giving you complimentsand all that kind of stuff, the
financial side as well.
And there's many differentangles of it.
How did you have that disciplineto see that out and actually
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just be present on your newventure?
Camilla Sacre-Dallerup (17:30):
I think a few things.
The ego one was a really bigjourney and I always, I talk
about in the book that I wentback to strictly come dancing to
work behind the scenes for aseason to test my own ego,
because I thought you, if youreally truly are in balance with
your ego and you don't let itcompletely run your life, you
should be able to be on eitherside and know that either side
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in front or behind the camera asa creative at the time is just
as valuable.
It's just sometime we hypethings up when people are on
screen, but the talent, this,the show was strictly come
dancing.
It's only the show.
It is because of everybody'stalent from makeup to sound
like.
It literally is the top of thetop of people that work on that
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show.
Every single person is.
Extraordinary.
And I went back and did thatthat was just before we moved to
LA and I actually loved it.
Like I had so much fun and I gotto work with a creative person
on there.
Why admire have it?
My, my entire life from thedance world called Jason
Gilkison and it was magical indifferent ways.
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And I didn't mind.
And I thought it's okay.
I'm, I've made peace with thisnow.
I don't need this limelight tofeed my soul.
That doesn't mean that we don'twant to achieve things by the
way, there was time throughthis.
And I really want to talk aboutthis because I think sometimes
when we go on a spiritualjourney, call it, a breakdown,
call it stress, call it burnout,whatever it is that we have that
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kind of break in life.
We can lose our drive.
And sometimes that's actuallyreally scary for someone who's
hugely driven.
And I lost my drive for about ayear.
I had zero drive and I literallydidn't recognize myself.
But I realized now that I neededto, because my soul needed
something different, I needed tostrip away all of that stuff.
That just wasn't really who I amthat needed.
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Lots of things somebody said tome recently, what is it like.
Most profound thing, that's comeout of this entire journey
because we're constantly on ajourney route in life.
But for me in this moment andwhat meditation has brought me
to, and all of the things thatI've studied is that I don't
need anything.
And if you asked me that 15years ago, that would have never
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told you that, right?
Because we think we need so manythings, but I don't need
anything.
I am, I'm grateful to be ofservice in this world.
And I.
And when you say, when I'mtrying to think back to that
time, it became about theclient.
And not me, it became about whenI would listen to people and
what they needed when Iconnected to them at unplug
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meditation.
For example, I realized that itreally wasn't helpful to them.
What I'd done before this verymoment, what was vital was what
we were going to do now, doesthat make sense?
So we've almost easy because Ihad to be present.
I was just like, that's nothelpful for me to tell them
we're living now.
Yes.
Later on, I think people and alot of my clients appreciate it
actually.
Cause they tell me that theyfeel that they work with a coach
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who walks the walk.
Who's not scared of puttingthemselves out there and
sometimes failing sometimeswinning, but when I'm with the
client present, it's not aboutme ever.
Ever.
And in fact, the person whoopened up my sort of launch for,
it's not you as me she's a verysuccessful actress.
And she said these words, shesays the beautiful, and they
really I'm so grateful for thesewords.
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And she said in her, talk to theaudience that day.
The beautiful thing aboutCamilla is that her work is
never about how I, when youcoach by Camilla.
And I couldn't, honestly, thatfor me was the most amazed.
I was like winning a trophy.
That was like the best trophy ofthose words, because it isn't
about me.
It's about holding space.
Like you're holding space rightnow.
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That's really what it becameabout.
Obviously I had to find a way tobalance feminine and masculine
energy because in the world, wesometimes, when we do business
too, we, we've got to be able tostep into one or the other, but
when I'm working with clients isabsolutely Siraj about me and
all about them.
And so in that point, you arejust holding space.
Matt Garrow-Fisher (21:24):
Yeah.
One thing that kind of comes tomind when you say that, first of
all, there's this element ofbeing content with potentially
with less than what you hadbefore, less money, less
admiration, less fame and all ofthose kinds of things.
In order to have thatreinvention and be able to be
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your true self be you.
And and then the second part ofit is to actually fully serve
others.
So it's like dumping, dumpingthe ego, getting rid of the ego
and serve it, like contributingto, to, to others in society.
How did you How did you do that?
Being content with having lessis that something that you had,
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like you'd had experience withbefore?
One of the kinds of analogies Ihave mean a common analogy that
I speak to with clients.
And just in general, is somepeople were happier as a student
with huge amounts of debt livingin a dormitory then than they
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might be in the kind of currentcareer earning, a few hundred
thousand dollars a year.
Where did that belief come from?
That you could be more contentwith having less, cause that's
not like a common thing.
Camilla Sacre-Dallerup (22:43):
And that's not to say that you won't
go through ups and downs andhave same or more again, by the
way.
But I call it coming back tosquare one.
So basically I will, I grew upwith two parents who were both
self-employed.
Who had their own businesses.
And of course, like anybody whoowns a business, you're gonna,
there's going to be ups anddowns.
So I saw it firsthand how myparents would navigate through
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those times and how brilliantthey would be at still being
able to support my sister and I,and still, no matter what was
going on in their lives, inwork.
There was love and joy and aunity as a family.
Like we just had each other'sback.
There was teamwork always.
And I actually said that I'vesaid that to my mom that a lot
of times, one of the mostamazing things they gave my
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sister and I was just to knowthat no matter where we went in
the world, no matter what wedid, we knew that no matter how
much they hadn't didn't haveright at any time, there was a
roof over our heads and food onthe table.
And that, that I feel emotionaleven saying that, but that is
like the biggest gift you cangive somebody, because I said to
my dad, I said, before he passedaway, I said, you gave me like
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freedom to fly because I knew ifI really messed up, I will never
go hungry.
I could come home and I realizethat some people that don't have
that, but I also know that thereare good people in the world and
people find that in friends andthey create their own families
in the world.
Sometimes you can be that forsomeone else, just to note that
it's a bed and this food.
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And I think I remember myhusband and I working so
incredibly hard to buy our firsthome.
Together and sitting in ourliving room being like, wait,
we've got our first house of theGod.
That is amazing.
And then inside, I just felt Ohmy God, but it's in the wrong
country.
Send the wrong place.
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This is not the place we'regoing to be.
And I was like how can this benow?
Like we worked so hard and herewe are.
And now.
W this is not it.
And we actually agreed.
If we'd unpacked, we weretouring at the time doing it.
They had to play together.
If we don't pack back, then Idon't think we would have ever
moved.
So we did a really crazy thing.
We decided not to unpack.
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And we moved in with myhusband's parents in the spare
room for a few months or maybesix months to save, to apply for
our visas for For the U S and weactually rented our house out.
And I remember friends aboutsaying, Oh my goodness.
We could never do that.
And what they meant by thatsentence was they could, but
they didn't want the discomfortof having to move back to their
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parents 35 or 36 for six months,they wanted to live in that
home.
And have the God and while stillsaving for their dream.
And when you come back to, Iwant to touch on that.
When you say that people saythat they were happy when they
were having like that, that theywere studying and having the
student dream or whatever, andhaving the dream of their
career.
I think that maybe somethingwe're happy in those situations,
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because what we do have at thetime is that we still have the
dream.
I remember, and I talk aboutthis in dream beliefs, succeed.
Dream believe succeed is myfirst book reinvent it.
If I may, use the word again,strictly come down strictly
inspirational was what it wascalled and I've added to it.
And it's now called dreambeliefs succeed.
But I talk in there about a timein my life where we really
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didn't have much money.
It was do we eat dinner?
When we were competing, Oh, dowe have, do we go to practice?
Because there was like sixpounds or whatever to go to
practice.
And we just didn't have themoney.
Like we couldn't affordsupporting our careers at the
time.
And we had many meals which werelike just baked beans on toast
was I never ate.
Until I moved to the UK.
I didn't even know about bakedbeans on toast, but I quite like
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it now, that, that was like ourmeal.
We sacrificed so much.
We lived I remember we just, wedidn't have any furniture in our
apartment.
My, my dance partner at thetime, bill a furniture, but you
know what?
We still laugh because we weresharing something very
important, which was a dream.
And we were reading all of themotivational books and we had
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somehow hope and faith still andwhat I really truly believed.
And I think those are the mostimportant kind of principles was
that I truly believe that inorder to get what I really
wanted, I needed to alreadyvibrate within like my frequency
and vibration needed to be oneof hope and faith and joy to
attract that.
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I knew that if I was in despair,And feeling like really annoyed
that I used to have furniture inmy apartment.
Now I had like home buildfurniture and I was living on
baked beans on toast.
I used to eat, whatever anddrive a nice car.
So it wasn't the first time Iran for me when I did this.
Does that make sense?
I was okay.
Because I did remember, we stilllaughed.
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We still had so much fun.
Yes.
They were really tough days,too, where we were like, she
would just give up and never letyou know, this will never
happen.
And in my book, I there's a poemcalled don't quit.
I used to read that poem everysingle day.
I think it's called actually,maybe some call it the climb or
whatever.
But, so when I, when we wentaround and did this sort of I
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call it the second time around,I was just like, let's make an
adventure.
Let's go live in a smallerapartment in LA, but we know
nobody except one friend, onefriend is all we needed.
Let's celebrate that.
He's still in our lives to thisday.
And so Tina, back at thosetimes, and we were setting up a
small apartment going how didthis happen?
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We just bought out a nice home.
And now here we are.
But we built everythingtogether.
We were a team, my husband andI, because of that, we've taken
chances and.
I can't even believe we'd beenhere seven years and we both
build up businesses fromscratch.
And it's been hard at times.
There's been moments where likewhat, Oh, we do it, but it's
also just been such a greatadventure.
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I would not swap it for anythingin the world.
Matt Garrow-Fisher (28:22):
When I try and unpack the structure of what
you just said, it's all souseful and interesting.
And one element that is.
Being comfortable with havingless, because, if you hit almost
rock bottom, you've still gotstill got food and you've still
got shelter.
And actually, a lot of people inthe Western world, certainly in
Europe have that, that theymight have kind of social
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security benefits or might beable to go back to their parents
and just being comfortable withthe simplicities of life.
It gives you that opportunity totake risks and to actually
follow your curiosity.
Have an adventure in life andsee what happens.
Be able to fall flat on yourface if you need to, but get up
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again.
And it's interesting, you wentthrough this whole journey with
your husband, Kevin, and,obviously he has been a huge
support in, and you've been ahuge support to his journey as
well.
He
Camilla Sacre-Daller (29:16):
reinvented as well, by the way.
Yeah.
I have to say that one.
I didn't see coming because wemoved to Hollywood so he could
act right.
He was an actor.
So when we finally arrived here,he sits me down six months into
our journey and goes, you knowwhat, since we're here now, I'm
not sure I'm into this acting.
And I literally went are yousaying with two people
(29:37):
reinventing ourselves right now?
I don't know if I can cover inthat.
But we did.
We both did.
Matt Garrow-Fisher (29:42):
So you, you coach clients and help people,
you've gone through this journeyyourself and you've, in your
books, you have lots ofpractical exercises that really
actually help people reinventthemselves, help them, change
careers or find out like whothey really are.
Even If you know how to manage ahouse mover or even a move
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internationally, like you'vedone.
You'll also help people with,relationship issues, if they, if
potentially, maybe they're notin the right relationship.
The, I guess the commonconnector with all of that is.
Big life change.
Big life change.
If it can affect peopleaccidentally, or you can take
control of it and be consciousof it and actually make
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decisions to make it happen.
What do you think are some ofthe common challenges you found
both in your own personal lifeor.
From the clients that you'vecoached in managing big life
changes are there commonalitiesbetween, going through
relationship breakups and newrelationships, moving house and
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countries changing career, arethere commonalities in all of
those situations?
Camilla Sacre-Dallerup (30:51):
Totally.
I think they all come down tothe really simple things.
What our beliefs aboutourselves.
If we're in despair orhopelessness, why is it
worthiness is in, are we notloving ourselves?
I definitely I've written awhole course about self love
because I realized that in orderto receive or attract into my
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life, that kind of relationshipI really wanted in my life, I
needed to start loving myself.
It's absurd that we areexpecting other people to love
us more than we're lovingourselves.
That's back to front, upsidedown.
We don't grow up, really seeingthat principle of Hayla love
yourself fast.
Do we see all of these likehappy fairytale films where
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somebody comes and provides thelove for you, right?
Oh, then you're happy.
No, find the love for yourself,then you'll be happy and then
everything else will fall intoplace.
Anything if you're feelingpowerless.
Go and go within whether that'sthrough hypnosis meditation or
reading some of these, all ofthese books out there, but you
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can really ask yourself, if Ifeel unworthy or unlovable or
feel deep fear about takingchances in life, why.
Is it because I don't feelworthy of the success if, am I
fearful that I might gain andlose a where's that coming from
where's that belief coming from?
Is it even yours?
I spend so much of my time in mycareer now helping others
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rewrite that story.
That's part of reinvention,right?
Because if we grow up, w withparents that have limited
beliefs around money, or, thisis your lot, just accept their
don't.
Don't be too, don't shine toobrightly.
You make other people feeluncomfortable.
That's a big one.
Isn't it going to go and go hereI am.
I'm going to take over theworld, you have that belief in
your mindset.
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You need to work on that and go,no, I'm going to shine my light,
because if I shine my light, I'mshowing you, you can shine your
light.
And you can shine your light andyou came here to do so this
whole sort of playing it smallin many societies, we do that,
oh no don't be too much all ofthese sayings that we've
listened to as children havegone into our subconscious mind.
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And this is why I'm sopassionate about the
subconscious and diving into thesubconscious, because the
subconscious mind, as runs ourlives 95% of the time.
What is absurd again, is that weare updating our software on our
computer all the time, withoutasking, by the way, do I need
this update, just click done.
Of course you do.
Why aren't we doing that in oursubconscious?
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Why aren't we going?
Why am I still feeling unworthyoff this?
Why am I doubting that I amlovable?
Where is this coming from?
Let me just go within and updatethis software because hello,
everybody in this world deservesto feel loved.
Everybody is worthy.
Everybody is enough.
That's how we're born.
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We're born going.
You are enough.
You're not enough.
You are loved.
You are not like come on.
But we go on all of thesejourneys.
And then Sunday, we feelunloved.
That's very valid when we findourselves in those situations,
because of the conditioningthat's happened because of the
language and trauma and whateverhas happened, but we can come
home to that.
And so anything you are tryingto attract on the outside of
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yourself, Your mind is powerfulbeyond belief, but you got to go
and rewire in here.
Reprogram rewrite the story.
Yeah.
I love that saying where it'slike, what thinking to you to
this point and what thinking doyou need to take you to the next
point?
Matt Garrow-Fisher (34:14):
Completely.
And you talk about going withinand I guess.
For people that don't know howto do that.
Like what kind of habitsroutines daily activities do you
do that allows you to go withinan actually allows you to really
connect with yourself.
(34:34):
You talk in your book and youhave great exercises and also
guided meditation audios as wellon your website, around
meditation, affirmations andvisualizations, other are there
any kind of, is there any kindof one.
Like routine or habit that youwould recommend to connect with
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yourself and go within it, or isthere a kind of combination that
works for you and your clients?
What would you recommend?
Camilla Sacre-Dallerup (35:02):
So first of all is simply committing,
right?
It's so obvious if you say, Oh,I'm going to run a marathon in
six months or 12 months, what doI need to do from now till then
to make that happen?
Physically.
We're totally cool with that.
We get it right.
We know if we're going to go andrun that marathon and we don't
train, it's going to really hurtthe brain is the same.
The mind is the same.
(35:23):
So why are we so reluctant?
We would do is we don't like tosit still.
But I realized, and I reallydidn't like to sit still either.
I could only sit for threeminutes, so I'm just going to be
honest.
My mantra when I first startedmeditating was I am so bored.
When is this finished?
I couldn't get the words out ofmy head.
All I thought about every time Iclose my eyes was how bored I
was.
(35:43):
And then my friend at the timewent, why don't you just try
saying I'm so calm instead ofI'm so bored, it might help.
I was like, that's a great idea.
The irony of that, I now teachother people to sit still.
It's obviously funny becauseliterally used to set my alarm
for three minutes just to makesure I wouldn't sit for four,
because that would be too much,so I think it's accepting that.
Our brains are, and our mindsare powerful.
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We have to take charge and totake charge means training.
That's the boring part, right?
Because we don't really want todo it, but it's you're going to
run that marathon.
So if you're trying to change acareer or change something
outside of yourself, you've gotto get into training.
You've got to get disciplined,being disciplined as an athlete,
for example means showing upeven the days you don't want to.
So you put it in, on yourschedule every morning or every
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night before you sleep.
And it become like anon-negotiable.
I don't know how people domeditation, let alone the
pandemic, by the way, sorry, dolife or the pandemic or any
other challenging things intheir life without it you, you
get in chance of your mind.
And so I would say try 10different meditations.
Any pick any of the ones you canon any of the apps that are
free, like insight time orwhatever, pick 10 different ones
(36:48):
over 10 days, the elect justpick a five minute one.
I have a whole, there's a 21 dayfree one on my website.
Even try the different ones andpick one.
Pick the one that you think thisone works for me, it can be
words.
It can be breath.
Breath is really a powerful wayto start by counting your
breath.
You can literally just breathein for four, hold the breath for
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exhale four and hold for, dothat for three minutes.
You're meditating.
Anybody can do that.
And by the way, this that'scalled a square breathing and in
mindfulness, and that helps yourelax your nervous system
immediately.
So it's a powerful one to havepick one that works for you.
And then just do the same one.
For the next 30 days do notexpect anything.
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When you meditate.
Thoughts are going to come andgo.
That's fine.
We have 60 to 80,000 thoughts aday.
They're going to come and go.
It might remain.
Oh, wow.
I'm thinking back to one focus.
Oh, while I'm thinking back toone focus, I'm annoyed back to
one focus.
That's all we keep doing.
We keep coming back to onething.
We're not going to switch offthe thoughts.
We're going to welcome them in.
That part of your practice getserious about your training,
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your brain?
I can only say meditation for meis really just one of those
things that has helped me dothat.
That has helped me navigatethrough so many things, whether
it's been grief or burnout, orjust, financial worries,
whatever it is, it becomes athing you can lean on a tool
that you can come back to and asyou do it over and over again.
(38:15):
It will start to benefit you.
Not just when you're sitting, itreally doesn't matter if it's
relaxing or busy when you'resitting meditating, what matters
is how it serves you outside ofthat, you become less reactive.
You start to being able to havean new awareness.
You'll notice yourself acting ina way where you're like, huh?
Am I going to do it like alittle bit differently?
You start to observe thingsdifferently.
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Do you meditate?
Matt Garrow-Fisher (38:38):
I don't do regularly.
I do it from time to time.
I actually I fully am aware ofthe exponential benefits of
doing it regular lifting everyday.
I actually threw myself into thedeep end and did a Vipassana 10
day silent retreat, like puremeditation from almost.
(39:00):
Zero kind of meditating before.
And that was, that really wasbeing thrown into the deep end.
It was, I absolutely loved theexperience and I was probably
the happiest I've been for along time for months, literally
months afterwards.
And even just that experience.
I, I found, I felt the benefitsof meditating, but it's just
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getting into that routine andthat practice and yeah, that's
something I need to work on forsure.
Camilla Sacre-Dallerup (39:27):
I fought mentally for my own mental
health.
I can't afford not to.
I really can't.
Yeah, it's just didn't feelgood.
Nothing feels good.
Really.
It's too crazy, too busy in mybrain.
If I don't.
Yeah,
Matt Garrow-Fisher (39:43):
I'll take that out.
That, that you've challenged meactually now to, and
Camilla Sacre-Dallerup (39:47):
you have the free 21 days.
How about that you get
Matt Garrow-Fisher (39:50):
started?
Definitely.
Thank you.
Before I ask my last question,Camilla where can people find
you connect with you and learnmore about what you do?
Camilla Sacre-Dallerup (40:01):
Yeah.
On my website, Zen, me.tv.
And I'm one insight timer.
It's a free app where you canmeditate with me on meditation
app and of course on socialmedia, that Camilla dollar up.
Drop me a line.
If there's anything I cansupport you on.
Matt Garrow-Fisher (40:16):
Awesome.
And we'll leave all of the,those links in the show notes
for this show.
Camilla my last question, Idefinitely see you as someone
that lives with passion in whatyou do with certainly with
purpose and actually have abalance in life, to spend time,
with the people that you loveand, What working on your work
and your passions and yourhobbies.
(40:38):
So those three things I callliving with passion, purpose and
balanced is for me to burn fromwithin.
What do you think has been theone thing committed that's made
the biggest difference for youto burn from within life?
Camilla Sacre-Dallerup (40:52):
To follow My calling when it came,
like to follow that feeling whenwe have discomfort, basically we
think that when we feeluncomfortable and when we feel
burned out and sad and it cancome out in all sorts of ways,
panic attacks, depression also,where we really feel all of that
discomfort in life.
(41:14):
Sometimes it's also coming tosay Hey, are you listening?
Because you've, ain't ignoringevery sign of giving you, the
body and the mind to slow downor to try something that's more
aligned with you.
The biggest thing was to nomatter the cost, on the money
side of things to, to listen towhat my heart really wanted and
(41:35):
not to think about how difficultthat was going to be or how that
was going to look.
Cause I actually had absolutelyno idea by the way.
No idea.
To just go I need to follow thisfeeling this there's some,
there's a discomfort here andit's not going away.
There is something that I needto go and explore about myself.
(41:55):
It's guiding me towards adifferent way, a new way.
And so that was the mostimportant thing because it led
me home like home to me, nomatter by the way what I'm doing
in life, I want to be very clearon that.
I could change maybe myprofessional.
I could change things, butultimately I feel home because
I'm home within.
The fact that I do am doing ajob I love is like amazing, but
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it's secondary to, it actuallyled me home within myself.
That is a content feeling.
That was, that's a piece that,that, that will follow you in
wherever you do in life.
We go chase our dreams as if ourdreams outside of ourselves, but
really, th that's the sort ofamazing state that we can be in
where the pieces comes fromwithin.
Matt Garrow-Fisher (42:39):
Yeah.
And that kind of transformationand reinvention that you've had
you talk in your book about I'mcommitted, I'm a dancer, and now
the identity statement is I'mcommitted and I'm content I'm
happy.
And that is, having that as agoal and your identity and
actually everything else comesafter that.
(42:59):
And that's the kind of centralcrux of the of of your
reinvention story of your changeand and really an inspirational
one as well that gives peoplehope that you really can.
First of all, listen toyourself, listen to maybe the
pains and the doubts and the theanxieties and the insecurities.
(43:20):
It might have if you are notfulfilled or happy right now,
and examine yourself and.
Become self-aware and, with someof the exercises in, in books
like yours and doing meditationand practices and having the
right support, you can getthere.
So Camilla, I it's been a anabsolute joy to interview you
(43:41):
and let's keep connected andthank you so much.
Camilla Sacre-Dallerup (43:45):
Thank you for all you do as well and
sharing this.
And yeah, just dive in.
If you're listening, dive in.
If you feel cold, this one stepin that different direction to
find out what lights me up.
Matt Garrow-Fisher (43:57):
Perfect.
Thank you, Camilla.
What an inspiration Camilla is.
I took up Camilla's 21 daymeditation experience challenge.
I'm currently doing it andabsolutely loving it.
So, I'll include the link tothat for you for free in the
show notes I hope you enjoyedthis episode as much as I
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passion, purpose, and balance.
And burn from within.
On this week's episode, I have Camila
Sacre-Dallerup, a formerstrictly come dancing champion
who completely reinventedherself to a new career and
lifestyle.
Moving from the UK to LA withher husband, Kevin.
In the process to completelyreinvent themselves.
This is a fascinatingconversation about recognizing
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your ego in your career in lifeand having the discipline to let
it go over time, to be reallywho you truly are, not what is
expected of you.
We talk about the sacrificesneeded during her career
transition.
Accepting that you don't needanything.
And the huge implications thishas on taking risks to pursue
(01:13):
what you really want.
The full show notes and videosof other interviews are
available@burnfromwithin.comforward slash interviews.
So listen all the way throughand enjoy Camilla is a
international best-sellingauthor of three books.
It's not you it's me.
Reinvent me how to transformyour life and career and dream
(01:35):
believe succeed.
Camilla was a championprofessional dancer before
becoming one of the originalcast members of strictly come
dancing, camilla won her sixseries, the 2008 series of
strictly come dancing withcelebrity partner, Tom chambers,
but then made a controversialdecision to quit.
(01:58):
And this is where herre-invention really began.
Kamila.
Welcome to the show is reallygreat to have you here.
Thank
Camilla Sacre-Dallerup (02:05):
you.
Ma'am thank you so much.
It seems like a lifetime ago,when you say those things about
dancing, I'm like, Oh yeah, Iused to do that.
Matt Garrow-Fisher (02:13):
Yeah.
I'm a big strictly fan myself asa lot of listeners will be, of
course.
And I guess one of the kind ofquestions that comes up, cause
you chose to leave that thatcareer, that lifestyle before we
get into the, the reasons forthat.
What were some of the perks,would you say?
Being a celebrity and being inthat world of strictly come
(02:34):
dancing and.
After discussing.
And why did you choose to walkaway from them?
Camilla Sacre-Dallerup (02:40):
The perks or whatever you want to
call it?
I think what was so wonderfullyfed in a situation like that or
in any position where you you'redoing a job where you feel like
the job is your identity, youego is fed, right?
So the ego was loving thelifestyle, right?
The ego was loving thelimelight, but.
(03:01):
Who I really am at the core, ofmy soul was just so empty.
It was just like wanting to havea chat or a dance no pun
intended or maybe with my ego,because honestly I think my soul
was so tired of my ego being incharge and it was a weird one
actually, because.
First of all, I had spent almostmy entire life becoming an
(03:23):
expert at something workingreally hard.
I didn't have a normalchildhood.
I had a childhood where I hadchosen to be an athlete, which
meant getting up and trainingeven on the day.
She didn't feel like it.
By choice, I had chosen thatpath because.
I was so eager to travel theworld and dancing became the
(03:43):
tool to do I was so eager toconnect with people and dancing
became to Duke the tool to dobut that took me on such a
massive path that I could'venever, ever imagined, through
competing and traveling theworld.
We lectured and competed in 36countries.
I saw the world with my dancingand then ended up in this dream
job on, on strictly comedancing.
My ego was loving it.
(04:03):
Part of me was also reallyenjoying it.
It was very creative, right.
But I, there, I was connectingwith people and then thinking,
but now I have everything Ithought I ever wanted, but I'm
not connecting in the way that Iwant to.
I don't even have time toactually have a conversation
with the people that I'mmeeting.
(04:24):
What's happening.
And so I have learned so much,through my entire time as an
athlete that I use all of thetools today, because really
there's no difference from beingan athlete in sports or in
business, really.
I call them business athletesthese days with all the things
that are expected.
But yeah, I found myself in avery lost.
Place within actually before Idecided to walk away.
And anybody who's been in asimilar situation where they've
(04:47):
just woken up one day and beenin a relationship or in a work
situation where they thought, Idon't really want to do this
anymore.
Know what I mean?
And I thought I have to gofigure out who I am.
And actually Deepak Chopra usesthese words with his children
and did throughout their entirelife by asking who am I every
single morning?
I got to the point when I askedmyself, who am I, where I was
like, I don't know who I am, whoam, I don't know.
(05:11):
I re I, I knew one thing.
And that was that I reallywanted to get to a point where I
could say whoever and I couldsay I'm content And on a mission
to find out what that lookedlike to wake up in the morning
and think.
I'm okay.
I'm content.
I'm not because of the amount oftrophies that I've won, or my
name is in the paper on the TV,but just because I'm true to me,
(05:34):
I'm my authentic self.
Matt Garrow-Fisher (05:36):
Wow.
What a journey you've had aswell.
And you talk about the ego andhow difficult it was to.
To separate yourself from it.
And actually discover who youtruly are.
Camilla Sacre-Dallerup (05:49):
Can I just add to that actually,
because when you say it likethat, I think this is important
for people to hear.
Do you know this often peoplearound, you don't know what to
do with that when you leavesomething that you've been so
that's your identity.
They know us.
Matt, the lawyer, Camilla, thedancer, Sam, the accountant,
like that, good with that.
Let's not rock the boat.
(06:10):
So when you then say to yourfriends I really think I'm just
gonna I need to leave this.
It's not for me that like,that's crazy.
Like what are you doing?
What how do we like refer tothat confused?
So you have that too, and thenyou really got to go.
Yeah.
But I need to do this for me.
Matt Garrow-Fisher (06:24):
So how do you know who you truly are?
Like, cause, cause when you wereat, on strictly and you're
having a great lifestyle.
Great in, in a lot of people's alot of people's minds anyway You
were, you felt unhappy andunfulfilled, and that was at
some point at some level.
(06:44):
And that was a reason to startthis journey and look and find
out how to have to be contentwith yourself essentially.
That journey of discovery?
Like now you're a life coach, amindfulness coach, like you met
you, you lead meditations allover the world.
How did you discover who youtruly are and what led you to
(07:04):
that path?
Cause it's very different tomaybe w what you were doing on
strictly.
Camilla Sacre-Dallerup (07:08):
So many words are flowing through my
mind.
We have this beautiful saying inDenmark, always remember to
bring yourself along.
And I think if in a sense of, Idon't know if you get the
meaning of that, because itdoesn't sound the same when I
say it in English, but it's Ifelt like part of me had not
been brought along.
Does that make sense?
I w I felt become this personwhere that's, what was expected
(07:30):
and that's what you do.
And there was a part of, duty,you do your job and I was really
good at turning up and doing myjob, but my Camilla, like the
person within had been, so mylife had been so regimented and
I felt I hadn't grown.
As a person on a soul level forwhat I needed, what is that I
actually found interesting now,at 35 compared to 25, because of
(07:51):
course that might not be thesame.
So in order to do I needed tolet go of all of those things
for a little bit and go on aninward inside out journey rather
than outside in.
So much of my life had beenbased on the outside, in, when
you get that, you'll be happy.
And that's why I love in NLP.
We talk a lot about that when Iget that, I'll be happy when I
get that.
I'll be happy if that's the, ifthat's the They a way you work,
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you probably never be happy,right?
Because we need to be happy hereright in this moment.
And then we can attract thethings in that we want.
And actually there was a sportspsychology.
I can't remember the book backin the day when I was a
competitor and reading thatsentence actually was a very
important time in my life, in mylate twenties.
That kind of up-leveled my.
My kind of joy in life and mycareer from knowing that I have
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to be happy now, but I stilldidn't think that I had, I
didn't have enough time to getto know myself because I was on
this career path.
I hit it for a burnout of 35,just to give you an idea of how
career-driven I was, so itwasn't until the universe sent
this wonderful burnout justafter I left the show.
So I could really sit in theuncomfortableness of wow.
Everything I've ever caredabout.
(08:55):
Everything that I love.
I'm empty and I don't reallycare so much right now.
I need to figure out what do Icare about now?
And that's why I talk about in,in Reinvent Me, me starting by
nurturing the things that youactually, that, that kind of
lights a fire within.
What do am I passionate aboutstill?
I knew that one thing I'mpassionate about is helping
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others is serving somehow inthis world is connecting to
people just like yourself.
I'm fascinated.
I'm fascinated by people'sstories.
Everybody has a story that willencourage or inspire someone
else.
So yeah, that was a big journeyto go and find out in this kind
of, really lost year of my life.
I was just searching for littlethings that, Oh, this I'm still
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passionate about this.
I find fun, but it took time.
I'm not going to like brush overthis Oh, I left my career and
then I found another becausetrust me, that's not how it
felt.
Matt Garrow-Fisher (09:48):
Yeah.
Was it a case of following yourcuriosity?
Cause you talked about what,what was missing in my life?
Like how did you I guess typethose steps to find out what was
missing and was part of it.
Curiosity.
Was there something else, wasthere a structured process?
Was it like, how did you goabout that?
Camilla Sacre-Dallerup (10:07):
I've always had a love for Any kind
of books that talks aboutmotivation and mind and so
forth.
So I dive into that area andstarted looking for courses that
I could take that was feeding mysoul.
It was all about me receiving, Ithink also I was just depleted
and tired from being the onegiving.
And I was just, I wanted to goback to school.
Basically I wanted to receive.
(10:27):
And I had started a few yearsearlier when I was doing
Strictly.
Yes.
That I'd actually signed up for,to study psychology at London
university.
But because the series took overand I got into the momentum was
Strictly, I just put that aside.
So I was still curious to studythings that could feed my mind
and just be, I was very curious.
I still am still alwayslearning.
(10:47):
So I wanted to explore some ofthe tools that I had used to
win.
In my career, I wanted toexplore them to how I could use
them to feel good inside out.
And so that started with takingan NLP course and then the
hypnotherapy, and then there wasmindfulness and I started doing
some motivational speaking, justsharing my story and hearing
what people needed.
And and yeah, it was a journey,but I will say there was a lot
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of fear too.
I'd left behind a lucrativeliving.
So I had to make changes in mylife too, because it wasn't just
like I had saved enough money tonot earn money.
So I would still have one footin the dance world.
I would still be doing some gigsthere whilst that would pay for
my training.
So I just want people to knowit's not like I just went on
this journey and could afford topay for not to work or anything
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like that.
Because I think when people lookat you and magazines and stuff
to say, Oh, that was easy forher.
I think everybody goes on ajourney, right?
And the step-by-step approachone step at a time.
I just simply start a bit what'sthe first course that I feel I'm
interested in taking.
And that was NLP actually, whichI just thought was so practical
and such a great foundation foreverything I did after that.
Matt Garrow-Fisher (11:54):
There were sacrifices, you made quite a lot
of sacrifices.
And you talked about it in yourbook, you and your husband,
Kevin, you both made sacrifices,you move to LA, that was a big
upheaval as well.
Like it's not just a careerchange, a life change.
Like your whole network waslike, you had to meet lots of
new people, all of that kind ofstuff.
(12:16):
Yeah.
And again, I'm going back to myown curiosity now and about ego,
like it was suck, talking aboutego, to leave that lifestyle and
to have that title of, Strictlychampion and you're, in the
press a lot.
You and suddenly you're in asituation where you're basically
(12:37):
almost completely startingagain.
You talk about the term rereinvent me, reinvent yourself.
What's the significance of ofthat term reinvents.
And why do you use that term inparticular instead of.
Life change, career change andthat kind of stuff, because for
me that's almost like a level ofI'm changing my entire identity.
(12:58):
Yeah.
Camilla Sacre-Dallerup (13:00):
I felt like it in the sense that I
wasn't going to be Camilla todancer, I was going to be Kamila
so re-invent or coming homeeither, but I was reinventing
how people were perceiving meand believe it enough.
That's quite a big deal too,because.
For so many years after I leftstrictly come dancing, no matter
(13:23):
what I had done, even afterwriting my first book and moving
to LA people would still say,yeah, but are you going back to
dancing?
It was like that.
Just like with one word, justlike just wipe away five years
of work.
You know what I mean?
Like they didn't, it just didn'tsuit.
Sometimes there's the story thatI was doing something
differently because they likedme that, in the D and I'm
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grateful for that.
I, it was the most magical timeof my life.
And at the same time, it wasjust not what my soul was
craving anymore, because I wasmeant to do something else.
I feel like what I do today, Ican only describe as I've come
home.
And so when I came to LA, I didan exercise, which was really on
LA.
I realized later the most onHollywood thing to do when I
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went down and connected with theowner of unplug meditation,
where I've now been working forover six years.
I went down to write an articleabout the studio and I just
never left.
I told you on, I can't leave I'mhome.
I need to work here.
This is the best.
And for the entire year, I hadpromised myself, I wouldn't talk
about my past.
(14:29):
I would be right in the moment.
And it was, it made me so happya year later when somebody said,
Oh my goodness, is that yourbook?
Camilla?
I didn't even know you used todo, they call it dancing with
the stars.
I didn't know.
You were part of a strictly comedancing.
And then some of the peoplethey'd gotten to know me.
They were like yeah, she is,they were like, loves sharing
it, but I was so proud of myselffor.
(14:50):
Just being Camilla, that theywould meet at the studio that
they love to meditate with orshare whatever, felt safe to
share the story with, or workwith me on stress or confidence.
I just didn't, I didn't need theold identity after that.
I would say the reinventing ofit actually for me means that I
went through the kind of lettinggo of that and then bringing it
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all back to full circle.
Does that make sense?
Because then I realized that noKamila be proud of your past
there's things that you havelearned that you can now share
because of what you've done andyou work really hard for it.
But I did go through a lot.
It was like I had to almost loseit to have it.
Yeah.
Again, and then I've built itall back in together now and now
I really own it.
(15:33):
But for a time being, I neededto really get back in, I think I
needed to get into my feminineenergy because I've been such an
athlete.
I was since.
I was in such a masculine energyfor so many years of my life.
It was like survival mode.
Almost like my schedule wascrazy.
We will travel to Japan.
We'll get in a car.
Don said competition would geton the plane.
We'll get to China.
We'll dance.
It was not really normal when Ilook back, I think, how did I do
(15:56):
that?
I'm a highly sensitive person.
No.
One of my immune system wasalways down at the time.
So I was had on my body.
I was had on myself and I neededto nurture me.
As a person.
So that's what reinventingmeans.
It meant thinking about me in anew and fresh way.
That's how I saw reinvention.
How can I think about myself ina new and fresh way?
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That's actually aligned with mysoul.
Matt Garrow-Fisher (16:20):
That is so fascinating that you, first of
all, chose to not bring up yourpast and into your new life,
into this reinvention.
First of all, choosing to dothat.
But second of all, having thediscipline to out for a year,
that's pretty impressive.
And that, again, that comes backto, for me most people would
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want to feed their ego.
And that actually is what keepsthem in a career that they might
not enjoy or might not fulfillthem anymore.
But how did you have thediscipline and the like where
did that come from?
Cause for me, and I think a lotof people to be able to walk
away from your previous job, forexample, someone might have been
(17:04):
working.
In banking, for example, for 30years, but they didn't feel they
don't feel fulfilled anymore.
And and to walk away from that,not just from the lifestyle and,
people giving you complimentsand all that kind of stuff, the
financial side as well.
And there's many differentangles of it.
How did you have that disciplineto see that out and actually
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just be present on your newventure?
Camilla Sacre-Dallerup (17:30):
I think a few things.
The ego one was a really bigjourney and I always, I talk
about in the book that I wentback to strictly come dancing to
work behind the scenes for aseason to test my own ego,
because I thought you, if youreally truly are in balance with
your ego and you don't let itcompletely run your life, you
should be able to be on eitherside and know that either side
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in front or behind the camera asa creative at the time is just
as valuable.
It's just sometime we hypethings up when people are on
screen, but the talent, this,the show was strictly come
dancing.
It's only the show.
It is because of everybody'stalent from makeup to sound
like.
It literally is the top of thetop of people that work on that
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show.
Every single person is.
Extraordinary.
And I went back and did thatthat was just before we moved to
LA and I actually loved it.
Like I had so much fun and I gotto work with a creative person
on there.
Why admire have it?
My, my entire life from thedance world called Jason
Gilkison and it was magical indifferent ways.
(18:32):
And I didn't mind.
And I thought it's okay.
I'm, I've made peace with thisnow.
I don't need this limelight tofeed my soul.
That doesn't mean that we don'twant to achieve things by the
way, there was time throughthis.
And I really want to talk aboutthis because I think sometimes
when we go on a spiritualjourney, call it, a breakdown,
call it stress, call it burnout,whatever it is that we have that
(18:52):
kind of break in life.
We can lose our drive.
And sometimes that's actuallyreally scary for someone who's
hugely driven.
And I lost my drive for about ayear.
I had zero drive and I literallydidn't recognize myself.
But I realized now that I neededto, because my soul needed
something different, I needed tostrip away all of that stuff.
That just wasn't really who I amthat needed.
(19:15):
Lots of things somebody said tome recently, what is it like.
Most profound thing, that's comeout of this entire journey
because we're constantly on ajourney route in life.
But for me in this moment andwhat meditation has brought me
to, and all of the things thatI've studied is that I don't
need anything.
And if you asked me that 15years ago, that would have never
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told you that, right?
Because we think we need so manythings, but I don't need
anything.
I am, I'm grateful to be ofservice in this world.
And I.
And when you say, when I'mtrying to think back to that
time, it became about theclient.
And not me, it became about whenI would listen to people and
what they needed when Iconnected to them at unplug
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meditation.
For example, I realized that itreally wasn't helpful to them.
What I'd done before this verymoment, what was vital was what
we were going to do now, doesthat make sense?
So we've almost easy because Ihad to be present.
I was just like, that's nothelpful for me to tell them
we're living now.
Yes.
Later on, I think people and alot of my clients appreciate it
actually.
Cause they tell me that theyfeel that they work with a coach
(20:20):
who walks the walk.
Who's not scared of puttingthemselves out there and
sometimes failing sometimeswinning, but when I'm with the
client present, it's not aboutme ever.
Ever.
And in fact, the person whoopened up my sort of launch for,
it's not you as me she's a verysuccessful actress.
And she said these words, shesays the beautiful, and they
really I'm so grateful for thesewords.
(20:41):
And she said in her, talk to theaudience that day.
The beautiful thing aboutCamilla is that her work is
never about how I, when youcoach by Camilla.
And I couldn't, honestly, thatfor me was the most amazed.
I was like winning a trophy.
That was like the best trophy ofthose words, because it isn't
about me.
It's about holding space.
Like you're holding space rightnow.
(21:02):
That's really what it becameabout.
Obviously I had to find a way tobalance feminine and masculine
energy because in the world, wesometimes, when we do business
too, we, we've got to be able tostep into one or the other, but
when I'm working with clients isabsolutely Siraj about me and
all about them.
And so in that point, you arejust holding space.
Matt Garrow-Fisher (21:24):
Yeah.
One thing that kind of comes tomind when you say that, first of
all, there's this element ofbeing content with potentially
with less than what you hadbefore, less money, less
admiration, less fame and all ofthose kinds of things.
In order to have thatreinvention and be able to be
(21:49):
your true self be you.
And and then the second part ofit is to actually fully serve
others.
So it's like dumping, dumpingthe ego, getting rid of the ego
and serve it, like contributingto, to, to others in society.
How did you How did you do that?
Being content with having lessis that something that you had,
(22:10):
like you'd had experience withbefore?
One of the kinds of analogies Ihave mean a common analogy that
I speak to with clients.
And just in general, is somepeople were happier as a student
with huge amounts of debt livingin a dormitory then than they
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might be in the kind of currentcareer earning, a few hundred
thousand dollars a year.
Where did that belief come from?
That you could be more contentwith having less, cause that's
not like a common thing.
Camilla Sacre-Dallerup (22:43):
And that's not to say that you won't
go through ups and downs andhave same or more again, by the
way.
But I call it coming back tosquare one.
So basically I will, I grew upwith two parents who were both
self-employed.
Who had their own businesses.
And of course, like anybody whoowns a business, you're gonna,
there's going to be ups anddowns.
So I saw it firsthand how myparents would navigate through
(23:06):
those times and how brilliantthey would be at still being
able to support my sister and I,and still, no matter what was
going on in their lives, inwork.
There was love and joy and aunity as a family.
Like we just had each other'sback.
There was teamwork always.
And I actually said that I'vesaid that to my mom that a lot
of times, one of the mostamazing things they gave my
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sister and I was just to knowthat no matter where we went in
the world, no matter what wedid, we knew that no matter how
much they hadn't didn't haveright at any time, there was a
roof over our heads and food onthe table.
And that, that I feel emotionaleven saying that, but that is
like the biggest gift you cangive somebody, because I said to
my dad, I said, before he passedaway, I said, you gave me like
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freedom to fly because I knew ifI really messed up, I will never
go hungry.
I could come home and I realizethat some people that don't have
that, but I also know that thereare good people in the world and
people find that in friends andthey create their own families
in the world.
Sometimes you can be that forsomeone else, just to note that
it's a bed and this food.
(24:11):
And I think I remember myhusband and I working so
incredibly hard to buy our firsthome.
Together and sitting in ourliving room being like, wait,
we've got our first house of theGod.
That is amazing.
And then inside, I just felt Ohmy God, but it's in the wrong
country.
Send the wrong place.
(24:31):
This is not the place we'regoing to be.
And I was like how can this benow?
Like we worked so hard and herewe are.
And now.
W this is not it.
And we actually agreed.
If we'd unpacked, we weretouring at the time doing it.
They had to play together.
If we don't pack back, then Idon't think we would have ever
moved.
So we did a really crazy thing.
We decided not to unpack.
(24:53):
And we moved in with myhusband's parents in the spare
room for a few months or maybesix months to save, to apply for
our visas for For the U S and weactually rented our house out.
And I remember friends aboutsaying, Oh my goodness.
We could never do that.
And what they meant by thatsentence was they could, but
they didn't want the discomfortof having to move back to their
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parents 35 or 36 for six months,they wanted to live in that
home.
And have the God and while stillsaving for their dream.
And when you come back to, Iwant to touch on that.
When you say that people saythat they were happy when they
were having like that, that theywere studying and having the
student dream or whatever, andhaving the dream of their
career.
I think that maybe somethingwe're happy in those situations,
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because what we do have at thetime is that we still have the
dream.
I remember, and I talk aboutthis in dream beliefs, succeed.
Dream believe succeed is myfirst book reinvent it.
If I may, use the word again,strictly come down strictly
inspirational was what it wascalled and I've added to it.
And it's now called dreambeliefs succeed.
But I talk in there about a timein my life where we really
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didn't have much money.
It was do we eat dinner?
When we were competing, Oh, dowe have, do we go to practice?
Because there was like sixpounds or whatever to go to
practice.
And we just didn't have themoney.
Like we couldn't affordsupporting our careers at the
time.
And we had many meals which werelike just baked beans on toast
was I never ate.
Until I moved to the UK.
I didn't even know about bakedbeans on toast, but I quite like
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it now, that, that was like ourmeal.
We sacrificed so much.
We lived I remember we just, wedidn't have any furniture in our
apartment.
My, my dance partner at thetime, bill a furniture, but you
know what?
We still laugh because we weresharing something very
important, which was a dream.
And we were reading all of themotivational books and we had
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somehow hope and faith still andwhat I really truly believed.
And I think those are the mostimportant kind of principles was
that I truly believe that inorder to get what I really
wanted, I needed to alreadyvibrate within like my frequency
and vibration needed to be oneof hope and faith and joy to
attract that.
(26:56):
I knew that if I was in despair,And feeling like really annoyed
that I used to have furniture inmy apartment.
Now I had like home buildfurniture and I was living on
baked beans on toast.
I used to eat, whatever anddrive a nice car.
So it wasn't the first time Iran for me when I did this.
Does that make sense?
I was okay.
Because I did remember, we stilllaughed.
(27:17):
We still had so much fun.
Yes.
They were really tough days,too, where we were like, she
would just give up and never letyou know, this will never
happen.
And in my book, I there's a poemcalled don't quit.
I used to read that poem everysingle day.
I think it's called actually,maybe some call it the climb or
whatever.
But, so when I, when we wentaround and did this sort of I
(27:38):
call it the second time around,I was just like, let's make an
adventure.
Let's go live in a smallerapartment in LA, but we know
nobody except one friend, onefriend is all we needed.
Let's celebrate that.
He's still in our lives to thisday.
And so Tina, back at thosetimes, and we were setting up a
small apartment going how didthis happen?
(27:59):
We just bought out a nice home.
And now here we are.
But we built everythingtogether.
We were a team, my husband andI, because of that, we've taken
chances and.
I can't even believe we'd beenhere seven years and we both
build up businesses fromscratch.
And it's been hard at times.
There's been moments where likewhat, Oh, we do it, but it's
also just been such a greatadventure.
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I would not swap it for anythingin the world.
Matt Garrow-Fisher (28:22):
When I try and unpack the structure of what
you just said, it's all souseful and interesting.
And one element that is.
Being comfortable with havingless, because, if you hit almost
rock bottom, you've still gotstill got food and you've still
got shelter.
And actually, a lot of people inthe Western world, certainly in
Europe have that, that theymight have kind of social
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security benefits or might beable to go back to their parents
and just being comfortable withthe simplicities of life.
It gives you that opportunity totake risks and to actually
follow your curiosity.
Have an adventure in life andsee what happens.
Be able to fall flat on yourface if you need to, but get up
(29:05):
again.
And it's interesting, you wentthrough this whole journey with
your husband, Kevin, and,obviously he has been a huge
support in, and you've been ahuge support to his journey as
well.
He
Camilla Sacre-Daller (29:16):
reinvented as well, by the way.
Yeah.
I have to say that one.
I didn't see coming because wemoved to Hollywood so he could
act right.
He was an actor.
So when we finally arrived here,he sits me down six months into
our journey and goes, you knowwhat, since we're here now, I'm
not sure I'm into this acting.
And I literally went are yousaying with two people
(29:37):
reinventing ourselves right now?
I don't know if I can cover inthat.
But we did.
We both did.
Matt Garrow-Fisher (29:42):
So you, you coach clients and help people,
you've gone through this journeyyourself and you've, in your
books, you have lots ofpractical exercises that really
actually help people reinventthemselves, help them, change
careers or find out like whothey really are.
Even If you know how to manage ahouse mover or even a move
(30:03):
internationally, like you'vedone.
You'll also help people with,relationship issues, if they, if
potentially, maybe they're notin the right relationship.
The, I guess the commonconnector with all of that is.
Big life change.
Big life change.
If it can affect peopleaccidentally, or you can take
control of it and be consciousof it and actually make
(30:24):
decisions to make it happen.
What do you think are some ofthe common challenges you found
both in your own personal lifeor.
From the clients that you'vecoached in managing big life
changes are there commonalitiesbetween, going through
relationship breakups and newrelationships, moving house and
(30:45):
countries changing career, arethere commonalities in all of
those situations?
Camilla Sacre-Dallerup (30:51):
Totally.
I think they all come down tothe really simple things.
What our beliefs aboutourselves.
If we're in despair orhopelessness, why is it
worthiness is in, are we notloving ourselves?
I definitely I've written awhole course about self love
because I realized that in orderto receive or attract into my
(31:12):
life, that kind of relationshipI really wanted in my life, I
needed to start loving myself.
It's absurd that we areexpecting other people to love
us more than we're lovingourselves.
That's back to front, upsidedown.
We don't grow up, really seeingthat principle of Hayla love
yourself fast.
Do we see all of these likehappy fairytale films where
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somebody comes and provides thelove for you, right?
Oh, then you're happy.
No, find the love for yourself,then you'll be happy and then
everything else will fall intoplace.
Anything if you're feelingpowerless.
Go and go within whether that'sthrough hypnosis meditation or
reading some of these, all ofthese books out there, but you
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can really ask yourself, if Ifeel unworthy or unlovable or
feel deep fear about takingchances in life, why.
Is it because I don't feelworthy of the success if, am I
fearful that I might gain andlose a where's that coming from
where's that belief coming from?
Is it even yours?
I spend so much of my time in mycareer now helping others
(32:15):
rewrite that story.
That's part of reinvention,right?
Because if we grow up, w withparents that have limited
beliefs around money, or, thisis your lot, just accept their
don't.
Don't be too, don't shine toobrightly.
You make other people feeluncomfortable.
That's a big one.
Isn't it going to go and go hereI am.
I'm going to take over theworld, you have that belief in
your mindset.
(32:35):
You need to work on that and go,no, I'm going to shine my light,
because if I shine my light, I'mshowing you, you can shine your
light.
And you can shine your light andyou came here to do so this
whole sort of playing it smallin many societies, we do that,
oh no don't be too much all ofthese sayings that we've
listened to as children havegone into our subconscious mind.
(32:56):
And this is why I'm sopassionate about the
subconscious and diving into thesubconscious, because the
subconscious mind, as runs ourlives 95% of the time.
What is absurd again, is that weare updating our software on our
computer all the time, withoutasking, by the way, do I need
this update, just click done.
Of course you do.
Why aren't we doing that in oursubconscious?
(33:16):
Why aren't we going?
Why am I still feeling unworthyoff this?
Why am I doubting that I amlovable?
Where is this coming from?
Let me just go within and updatethis software because hello,
everybody in this world deservesto feel loved.
Everybody is worthy.
Everybody is enough.
That's how we're born.
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We're born going.
You are enough.
You're not enough.
You are loved.
You are not like come on.
But we go on all of thesejourneys.
And then Sunday, we feelunloved.
That's very valid when we findourselves in those situations,
because of the conditioningthat's happened because of the
language and trauma and whateverhas happened, but we can come
home to that.
And so anything you are tryingto attract on the outside of
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yourself, Your mind is powerfulbeyond belief, but you got to go
and rewire in here.
Reprogram rewrite the story.
Yeah.
I love that saying where it'slike, what thinking to you to
this point and what thinking doyou need to take you to the next
point?
Matt Garrow-Fisher (34:14):
Completely.
And you talk about going withinand I guess.
For people that don't know howto do that.
Like what kind of habitsroutines daily activities do you
do that allows you to go withinan actually allows you to really
connect with yourself.
(34:34):
You talk in your book and youhave great exercises and also
guided meditation audios as wellon your website, around
meditation, affirmations andvisualizations, other are there
any kind of, is there any kindof one.
Like routine or habit that youwould recommend to connect with
(34:55):
yourself and go within it, or isthere a kind of combination that
works for you and your clients?
What would you recommend?
Camilla Sacre-Dallerup (35:02):
So first of all is simply committing,
right?
It's so obvious if you say, Oh,I'm going to run a marathon in
six months or 12 months, what doI need to do from now till then
to make that happen?
Physically.
We're totally cool with that.
We get it right.
We know if we're going to go andrun that marathon and we don't
train, it's going to really hurtthe brain is the same.
The mind is the same.
(35:23):
So why are we so reluctant?
We would do is we don't like tosit still.
But I realized, and I reallydidn't like to sit still either.
I could only sit for threeminutes, so I'm just going to be
honest.
My mantra when I first startedmeditating was I am so bored.
When is this finished?
I couldn't get the words out ofmy head.
All I thought about every time Iclose my eyes was how bored I
was.
(35:43):
And then my friend at the timewent, why don't you just try
saying I'm so calm instead ofI'm so bored, it might help.
I was like, that's a great idea.
The irony of that, I now teachother people to sit still.
It's obviously funny becauseliterally used to set my alarm
for three minutes just to makesure I wouldn't sit for four,
because that would be too much,so I think it's accepting that.
Our brains are, and our mindsare powerful.
(36:04):
We have to take charge and totake charge means training.
That's the boring part, right?
Because we don't really want todo it, but it's you're going to
run that marathon.
So if you're trying to change acareer or change something
outside of yourself, you've gotto get into training.
You've got to get disciplined,being disciplined as an athlete,
for example means showing upeven the days you don't want to.
So you put it in, on yourschedule every morning or every
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night before you sleep.
And it become like anon-negotiable.
I don't know how people domeditation, let alone the
pandemic, by the way, sorry, dolife or the pandemic or any
other challenging things intheir life without it you, you
get in chance of your mind.
And so I would say try 10different meditations.
Any pick any of the ones you canon any of the apps that are
free, like insight time orwhatever, pick 10 different ones
(36:48):
over 10 days, the elect justpick a five minute one.
I have a whole, there's a 21 dayfree one on my website.
Even try the different ones andpick one.
Pick the one that you think thisone works for me, it can be
words.
It can be breath.
Breath is really a powerful wayto start by counting your
breath.
You can literally just breathein for four, hold the breath for
(37:09):
exhale four and hold for, dothat for three minutes.
You're meditating.
Anybody can do that.
And by the way, this that'scalled a square breathing and in
mindfulness, and that helps yourelax your nervous system
immediately.
So it's a powerful one to havepick one that works for you.
And then just do the same one.
For the next 30 days do notexpect anything.
(37:31):
When you meditate.
Thoughts are going to come andgo.
That's fine.
We have 60 to 80,000 thoughts aday.
They're going to come and go.
It might remain.
Oh, wow.
I'm thinking back to one focus.
Oh, while I'm thinking back toone focus, I'm annoyed back to
one focus.
That's all we keep doing.
We keep coming back to onething.
We're not going to switch offthe thoughts.
We're going to welcome them in.
That part of your practice getserious about your training,
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your brain?
I can only say meditation for meis really just one of those
things that has helped me dothat.
That has helped me navigatethrough so many things, whether
it's been grief or burnout, orjust, financial worries,
whatever it is, it becomes athing you can lean on a tool
that you can come back to and asyou do it over and over again.
(38:15):
It will start to benefit you.
Not just when you're sitting, itreally doesn't matter if it's
relaxing or busy when you'resitting meditating, what matters
is how it serves you outside ofthat, you become less reactive.
You start to being able to havean new awareness.
You'll notice yourself acting ina way where you're like, huh?
Am I going to do it like alittle bit differently?
You start to observe thingsdifferently.
(38:36):
Do you meditate?
Matt Garrow-Fisher (38:38):
I don't do regularly.
I do it from time to time.
I actually I fully am aware ofthe exponential benefits of
doing it regular lifting everyday.
I actually threw myself into thedeep end and did a Vipassana 10
day silent retreat, like puremeditation from almost.
(39:00):
Zero kind of meditating before.
And that was, that really wasbeing thrown into the deep end.
It was, I absolutely loved theexperience and I was probably
the happiest I've been for along time for months, literally
months afterwards.
And even just that experience.
I, I found, I felt the benefitsof meditating, but it's just
(39:22):
getting into that routine andthat practice and yeah, that's
something I need to work on forsure.
Camilla Sacre-Dallerup (39:27):
I fought mentally for my own mental
health.
I can't afford not to.
I really can't.
Yeah, it's just didn't feelgood.
Nothing feels good.
Really.
It's too crazy, too busy in mybrain.
If I don't.
Yeah,
Matt Garrow-Fisher (39:43):
I'll take that out.
That, that you've challenged meactually now to, and
Camilla Sacre-Dallerup (39:47):
you have the free 21 days.
How about that you get
Matt Garrow-Fisher (39:50):
started?
Definitely.
Thank you.
Before I ask my last question,Camilla where can people find
you connect with you and learnmore about what you do?
Camilla Sacre-Dallerup (40:01):
Yeah.
On my website, Zen, me.tv.
And I'm one insight timer.
It's a free app where you canmeditate with me on meditation
app and of course on socialmedia, that Camilla dollar up.
Drop me a line.
If there's anything I cansupport you on.
Matt Garrow-Fisher (40:16):
Awesome.
And we'll leave all of the,those links in the show notes
for this show.
Camilla my last question, Idefinitely see you as someone
that lives with passion in whatyou do with certainly with
purpose and actually have abalance in life, to spend time,
with the people that you loveand, What working on your work
and your passions and yourhobbies.
(40:38):
So those three things I callliving with passion, purpose and
balanced is for me to burn fromwithin.
What do you think has been theone thing committed that's made
the biggest difference for youto burn from within life?
Camilla Sacre-Dallerup (40:52):
To follow My calling when it came,
like to follow that feeling whenwe have discomfort, basically we
think that when we feeluncomfortable and when we feel
burned out and sad and it cancome out in all sorts of ways,
panic attacks, depression also,where we really feel all of that
discomfort in life.
(41:14):
Sometimes it's also coming tosay Hey, are you listening?
Because you've, ain't ignoringevery sign of giving you, the
body and the mind to slow downor to try something that's more
aligned with you.
The biggest thing was to nomatter the cost, on the money
side of things to, to listen towhat my heart really wanted and
(41:35):
not to think about how difficultthat was going to be or how that
was going to look.
Cause I actually had absolutelyno idea by the way.
No idea.
To just go I need to follow thisfeeling this there's some,
there's a discomfort here andit's not going away.
There is something that I needto go and explore about myself.
(41:55):
It's guiding me towards adifferent way, a new way.
And so that was the mostimportant thing because it led
me home like home to me, nomatter by the way what I'm doing
in life, I want to be very clearon that.
I could change maybe myprofessional.
I could change things, butultimately I feel home because
I'm home within.
The fact that I do am doing ajob I love is like amazing, but
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it's secondary to, it actuallyled me home within myself.
That is a content feeling.
That was, that's a piece that,that, that will follow you in
wherever you do in life.
We go chase our dreams as if ourdreams outside of ourselves, but
really, th that's the sort ofamazing state that we can be in
where the pieces comes fromwithin.
Matt Garrow-Fisher (42:39):
Yeah.
And that kind of transformationand reinvention that you've had
you talk in your book about I'mcommitted, I'm a dancer, and now
the identity statement is I'mcommitted and I'm content I'm
happy.
And that is, having that as agoal and your identity and
actually everything else comesafter that.
(42:59):
And that's the kind of centralcrux of the of of your
reinvention story of your changeand and really an inspirational
one as well that gives peoplehope that you really can.
First of all, listen toyourself, listen to maybe the
pains and the doubts and the theanxieties and the insecurities.
(43:20):
It might have if you are notfulfilled or happy right now,
and examine yourself and.
Become self-aware and, with someof the exercises in, in books
like yours and doing meditationand practices and having the
right support, you can getthere.
So Camilla, I it's been a anabsolute joy to interview you
(43:41):
and let's keep connected andthank you so much.
Camilla Sacre-Dallerup (43:45):
Thank you for all you do as well and
sharing this.
And yeah, just dive in.
If you're listening, dive in.
If you feel cold, this one stepin that different direction to
find out what lights me up.
Matt Garrow-Fisher (43:57):
Perfect.
Thank you, Camilla.
What an inspiration Camilla is.
I took up Camilla's 21 daymeditation experience challenge.
I'm currently doing it andabsolutely loving it.
So, I'll include the link tothat for you for free in the
show notes I hope you enjoyedthis episode as much as I
enjoyed making it If you did goright ahead and leave a review
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