December 2, 2020 • 47 mins
We start with a quick update on Hick and Hyrule Warriors: Age of Calamity. Did he buy the Nintendo game? He also talks briefly about a new game he started playing on the PlayStation 4 (PS4), New Super Lucky's Tale.
We then dive into our first topic, final bosses. Do we like to see them throughout the game or only at the end? Do we prefer to fight them multiple times or only once?
Afterwards, we address open world traveling. What methods do we prefer? Does it vary by game? Overall, do we run, ride, or fast travel the most?
Later, we talk celebrities in video games. Do we enjoy seeing them? Are there times where it works and other times where it doesn't? Will voice actors become celebrities with the gaming industry getting so big?
We end with an interesting discussion on how we like to hear the audio in our games. Do we use a sound system with large speakers and a subwoofer? Do we prefer to use headphones?
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Red (00:17):
Welcome to Episode 36 of the Busted Buttons video game
podcast in this episode, I'm notgonna lie, we're kind of going
to be a little bit all over theplace, because we have some
scraps left over from the lastepisode, you know, we really
wanted to get in to the consolelaunches and kind of that future
of tea Jane
Hick (00:33):
is not doing any better either, right now, I can tell
you that.
Red (00:37):
So I will say so we just got to have some random gameplay
type topics that were just thatwe've had that we really wanted
to talk about. So we're going tokind of get into a, you know,
final bosses in games and, youknow, some games you have to
fight them multiple timesthroughout the game. How
do we feel about that? in openworld games? How do we feel
about traveling on foot versushorseback or using fast travel,
(00:57):
you know, what's our personalpreference and what impacts that
preference, we're also going toreally touch on celebrities and
video games, it seems like thisis it's always kind of been
there, but it's becoming moreand more prominent here the
last, you know, generation ofconsoles or so so we'll get into
that. And then finally, we'regonna spend a little bit of time
talking about the soundpreferences for video games. And
by sound preferences. I mean,like, how do we listen while
(01:20):
we're playing these headphonesTV surround sound so we'll get
into all that. But before wejump into that, I do want to
ask, in our last episode, yousaid you were gonna get drunk.
And by age of calamity, did youdo it? And have you had a chance
to play it yet?
Hick (01:34):
Well, sadly, I did not get drunk now. I had a pretty good
buzz going on. But you know,with the kids, I can't always
get that smashing, right. It wasplaying off that night and just
I'm sure they were bothered meit didn't happen but I did drink
I did drink my upland wheat Ale,and I did buy that game. So you
know, I've got that part out ofthe way I play it just a tad bit
really just a first actually,all I did was play the first
(01:57):
stage. Um, you know, it's kindof just like I said, Man, you
know, it's just, I mean, yeah,just I mean, yeah, there's a
little bit of a story too andeverything but it's really just
going out into a field orwhatever the saying is, it's
just been mashing That's all itis. And personally, I think
there's too much going on on thescreen like there's all these
attacks and all these buttonsyou have to hit to do these
(02:17):
certain attacks. Now I know asthe gang goes on that will
become easier Yes. Like thatpeople talking down the left
part of the screen like are youhave a hard enough time? Like
there's these everywhere you doall these attacks, and there's
people talking there's just toomuch shit going on, which is
kind of like I'll kind of takeit to another game. I'm playing
(02:37):
a new super Lucky's tale accountwe'll have a short conversation
with you here on Yeah, yeah, cuzthis is like Hyrule Warriors.
Like I said, I don't really havemuch say first stage. It's okay.
But yeah, like, there's all thischaos going on. Now New Super,
Lucky's tale. It's a platformer.
It's very cute, very colorful. Ikind of wanna I don't want to
talk about this too long becausewe went to our first topic but
(02:57):
as I'm playing it, like it's alittle bit easier but gang which
is nice when you're playingsomething as chaotic as Hyrule
Warriors it's overlapping rightnow be difficult but is chaotic.
But is there a point for us? Orthese games might be too cute?
You know? It might notdefinitely they're not for
adults. I would say they'redefinitely more towards you know
little kids or teenagers. Yeah,but my question to you would be
(03:20):
can a game be too cue andunattractive for adults?
Red (03:26):
I don't think so. And one of the ones I will go to is
Yoshis crafted world like it Iknow like the game itself is
it's just a solid platformerit's it's nothing that's gonna
blow you away it's fun, but itis adorable juicy like the
entire world the characters Theenemies are like all created out
of like crafts and like do stuffaround the house. So it in, in
(03:50):
some games, especially in we'vegot more of these, you know,
platformers seem to really haveit like these really cute art
style. And I think as long asthe game spawn, I say fuck it,
man. If it's cute, whatever. SoMike's wants to make fun of you
for playing a cute game.
Hick (04:04):
Right? Come on, man. I got kids. I'm not worried about
someone making fun of meanymore.
Red (04:08):
Exactly. So no, I don't think that that game can be too
cute. I mean, I know Okay,sometimes it might be an art
style that's like yes thingswhere it's so cute. It's
disgusting like everything'scotton candy pink or something
like that then yeah, that's onething but you know just thinking
about a game like Yoshis craftedworld that is a very cute game.
I still had fun with it. And Istill enjoyed it as an adult. So
Hick (04:30):
I'm having a blast a new super Lucky's tale I guess we've
kind of made me think about thatactually. was not so much the
our style or anything is morelike the character interactions
in a way. Yeah, it's I mean,some platformers 3d platformers
are pretty easy, but this gamesa little bit too easy so far, so
I guess I agree with you like Idon't care what people say I'm
gonna play the game find joy. Iam enjoying it so far, but it
(04:52):
has popped up into my head withthe conversations and everything
like this is a little bitchildish, but it's alright.
Anyways, file bosses. Let's getto our first topic of the
podcast at five minutes in. Butum what got me thinking about
this is I've been playing SuperMario 3d All Stars lately. You
got Mario, you know get SuperMario Galaxy you got Super Mario
(05:14):
64 and he got some other game Ican't remember cuz it's not
porn. It's fucking trash. Sojust just quite the market off
your list. That's the onlyreason that you should play
Super Mario Sunshine is themarket off your damn list
anyways, as playing these gameslike you fight bouncer in each
of them three times, I don'twant those to you. It kind of
made me think about do you likehaving bosses like that
(05:35):
throughout the game to fight? Orwould you rather just fight them
at the end?
Red (05:40):
When it comes to final bosses like that I strongly
prefer to only face them onetime at the end of the game.
Great to me it feels like you'reholding in games that have a
final boss. I know this doesn'tapply to everything. But in
games that have a final boss,like the whole game should be
leading up to it. It should betrying to get to that final boss
or get to where you're goodenough to conquer that final
(06:00):
boss. Or if you're playingBreath of the Wild just jump off
the great plateau and runstraight to the final boss. You
know what? But to me, I onlythink you should fight the final
boss or really any boss. Justone time in the game. I don't
like for me it feels lazy whenbosses get recycled. Especially
the final boss because to me itkind of takes some of that epic
(06:21):
Final Fight feeling out of it. Imean, think about some of you
know we talked about Zelda somuch just in general think about
some of our favorite Zeldagames, you know A Link to the
Past you finally fight Ganon inthe middle of the Golden pyramid
you know our creative time Yes,you fight shadow Ganon but
that's not their Phantom Ganonrather, but that's not the same
thing like you finally fightGanondorf Phantom
Hick (06:43):
Ganondorf right come on, man. You got no better Zelda
fans will get on you. Oh, I
Red (06:48):
know what I know it. So like in those like Final fights
feels so epic. Because you'veseen the character throughout
the game. You've probably talkedto the character and a lot of
cases he's taunted you or poppedup here and there. But you
finally get to fight him and itjust feels awesome. So to me
having to face the enemy severaltimes and Mario games are
horrible. The 3d Mario gamesYeah, are horrible about this
(07:10):
because obviously it was thesame way you fought Bowser at
least twice that I can rememberjust off the top my head so I'm
not a fan of it. The final bossshould be reserved for the end
of the game. What do you think?
Hick (07:22):
It makes that boss more epic if you leave it just at the
end at like a great example isTwilight Princess, when you get
to like, you know, Gannettnighters dip for different
versions of Gandalf when you getthere. Right. But like, you
know, you get there and you seethem a little bit cutscenes here
and there. But then you getthere and you see me had this
confrontation. That means somuch more than if you would have
(07:42):
fought him throughout the game.
So I just think when you'resitting there and you don't get
anything really from this bossuntil the end, it just makes
that fight seem special. Whereasif you play them before usually
obviously you end up being thembecause you progress through the
game. Yeah, but usually whathappens is they quit and they
say oh, I'm gonna go you know,not practice but you know get
practicing get bearish on thesame thing. Anyways, like
(08:04):
they're gonna go do somethingquick to fight another day.
Yeah, to better fight you thenext time and that just comes
off as cowardly to me. Likeyou're quitting the fight like,
you know, oh, the fight anotherday. And so when you finally get
to him at the end, I'm like,dude, you're a quitter. You're a
coward. So I hate fine boss,final bosses throughout the
game. Now I will mention thatthere is one part where I think
(08:26):
this really did work well. Andthat's because everything in
this game works well. And so youall know what are you going to
say here? Witcher three in theWild Hunt. They had the wild I
can't remember. I remember youfaced him like at the Battle
care more. And like that was Oh,that was probably that's
probably one of the bestcutscenes and battles and all
video game in my opinion. Butyeah, you do face them a little
(08:47):
bit throughout and you get alittle bit of cutscenes with
them throughout. Like it didwork in that game so props to
them, but the Witcher three donethings that other games just had
not been able to do since thegame came out in 2015. So
definitely worked there. But um,as far as like you know,
Balthazar okay we're talkingabout cutscenes and like how you
(09:07):
know it makes it more epic whenyou get there it does Mario
doesn't really make a differencein that sense because it cuts
things there's really no storythey'll still only like to fight
bows are at the end think aboutthe first couple Mario games
like you know Super MarioBrothers Mario three Super Mario
World you didn't face bounceruntil the very end in those
fights stuff truly epic but youknow here I want to talk to you
(09:30):
because we got one example thatis just absolutely terrible with
this facing a boss throughoutthe game and that sky restore
watching this kind of go andtalk about how bad dad one is
Red (09:41):
well in this one this one's kind of cheating a little bit
for us because these aren'ttechnically the final boss
because demise but you know youhave to fight gear him in the
imprison both of them willdemise Is he in prison. So that
kind of final boss and gear himis basically a sword at the end.
So you know, it counts we'regonna go together, it goes
(10:02):
together. Yeah, so you have tofight both of them three fucking
times throughout the game. And Iget that they change up their
attacks both times you get thegroup's inator against the
imprison, which is awesome,don't get me wrong, but just
part of it is those were thefights themselves weren't that
interesting even though I likedthe gear him character, but you
know when you have to fight thesame guy three times throughout
(10:23):
the game and in this case theydid it twice. I mean, that just
screams absolute laziness andyou'll gear him was the worst. I
was like, Ah, you know, you'vegot some skill, but you know,
I'm gonna cut I'll get youlater. You know, he's cocky
about it. Right as opposed tocowardly. But he's still like,
you know, you're okay, but I'llget you later. And he was the
perfect example of that. Theimprison just like escaping a
(10:44):
few times. I don't know, it justfelt redundant to have to fight
both them over and over and overand like they're the fights were
very similar. And this goes foranytime this goes with the
bouncer fights and everythingelse that we've talked about.
Usually, the fights are sosimilar anyway. Yes, they might
have a few new attacks, theremight be a few new ways to
(11:05):
attack them. Like I mentioned,the group's inator is really
cool. But you know, other thanthat, it's still the same
fucking fight. And it just itgets repetitive. It gets boring.
I remember when you first gearhim in the first dungeon. And
then you're like, Oh, my God,we're gonna Yeah, yeah, you knew
he was gonna pop up a few moretimes. And he does. And it's
just, I don't know, I'm not afan. I don't care. I know, we've
(11:26):
mostly focused on final bosses,but even when it's just regular
bosses that they repeat, and oldgames kind of had to recycle
that just Yeah, the restraintsof the systems. There's no
fucking excuse in this day andage. Unless you've got a really
good story reason to do it. Andyou can keep the fight fresh and
interesting every time. There'sno reason to have to repeat boss
(11:49):
fights to me. It is absolutelylazy Skyward Sword. I know you
get dragged on by a lot ofpeople for your
Hick (11:55):
Skyward Sword. So but but
Red (11:56):
I love Skyward Sword, that part of it can strike Fuck off.
Hick (11:59):
Yeah, I agree. I do agree.
I love it. But I agree with youon that part.
Red (12:03):
But you know, so, you know, we've been talking about final
bosses and the builds to finalbosses and everything. And, you
know, the more you play a game,the more it really does tend to
like build up to that climacticfight. You know, I know, you
know, games that obviously youplay the most open world games
and the time that we put intothem. I know, we've talked a
little bit about, you know,hours and things like that. And
(12:24):
gameplay in open world games.
Let's be honest, open worldgames are huge right now. So
we're going to talk about them alittle bit in just about every
episode, it seems like
Hick (12:31):
but you know,
Red (12:32):
how do you play the game and most specifically, kind of
how you travel around the gameworld can really have an impact
and an effect on kind of howlong you put into an open world
game. And that really got usthinking about and I think about
this, honestly, every open worldgame I play is how I get around
that world. Am I doing it onfoot? Am I doing it on
(12:53):
horseback? Am I fast travelingall around it? So I kind of want
to kick to you, you know, whenit comes to getting around an
open world game? What and thisis probably the longest
transition of all time. I swearI eventually was going to
connect all my dad's
Hick (13:10):
like, Damn, he's going on about this one took me a minute.
Red (13:13):
But so when it comes to open world games, how do you
prefer to kind of get around inthem? And what do you think
drives you towards one method oranother,
Hick (13:21):
it really varies by game to like, depending on what type?
Well, they're all similar typesof game, but how the mechanics
are in the game. Now, one thingI don't do is fast travel at the
beginning, like I get later onthe game, like there's certain
parts like I know, it'sAssassin's Creed Odyssey, which
I will get back to one day,there were certain parts where I
was like, you know what I'mprobably, I would say a little
bit, maybe like 75% through thegame, but like, I'm not gonna go
(13:45):
all the way over there, becauseit's gonna take me 20 minutes to
sell. So like, you mean, certainparts, like, you know, I will
fast travel earlier in the game.
But for the most part, I like toleave that to the end. Like, I'm
just trying to go places realquick just to maybe get a
collection item or somethinglike that. But ever since my
mistakes and Skyrim, which I'vekind of talked about in this
podcast, were really like, itwasn't my first open world game,
(14:07):
but it was one of the reallyfirst ones that maybe weren't
like, you know, like a badexample. Because really, Breath
of the Wild is only the firstone that was really open world
but right Skyrim was one of myfirst open world games, I just
fast traveled everywhere. And itreally killed the experience.
Like I did not enjoy the game atall. Like I beat Skyrim at 40
hours in a day. And that's myopinion after playing more open
(14:28):
world games, that should neverhappen. So ever since that game
like I've really tried myhardest to travel on foot.
That's the way that I like totravel because you see
everything and you can really doitems along the way. And one
thing that I hate with Rhinohorse now, we will talk about
this I will ride a horse in somegame. Some games, the mechanics
(14:49):
do matter, but like you can't Ifind myself riding on trail a
lot when I ride a horse. Yeah,and I really hate it because you
don't see Like the rest of theworld, you don't see all the
nooks and cranny like whenyou're when you're also a little
bit higher off of the ground.
When you're walking, you'recloser to the ground. You can go
everywhere you can go offcliffs, everything you know you
(15:11):
could do that goes to Tsushima.
But your horse would you know,bite it? Yeah, exactly. You
know, there's a glitch in thatgame where you should be able to
jump off certain cliffs. So asucker punch, I messed up, you
messed up a little bit rightthere. But, you know, I can't do
it to you. But um, for me, itdoes very well kind of continue
on with this. But if I can, andif the world is not too big, I
do prefer to travel by foot. Howabout you?
Red (15:34):
In general, I do. And yet, the more I sat here, and I
prefer to travel by foot aswell, is what I mean. But the
more I've sat here and thoughtabout it, I find myself doing
the horseback riding a lot moreoften than then I really
realized and I think part of itis, and we're going to mention
breath the wild probably quite abit in this because that's when
we both explored on foot lastexclusively like
Hick (15:56):
I did not different though,
Red (15:58):
I did not ride a horse and Breath of the Wild unless the
game required me to. So that isthe one that I probably did on
foot more than any other one.
And I think kind of what drivesthat for me is when you don't
have question marks andwaypoints and quests, like all
over your map from the get go.
(16:18):
Like with Breath of the Wild.
Yeah, you've kind of got justthe general like, okay, at the
beginning, yes, go see Impa thenyes, go do the four divine
geese. But other than that thereare no waypoints on your map,
unless you put them thereyourself. And I think that
really encourages you to travelby foot, just because you can
walk in every differentdirection. You can like go
(16:38):
through the woods, you can goaround, up and down cliffs, you
know, things like, again, theclimbing is a big factor. You
know, I liked climbing and Zeldawe both loved climbing and
Breath of the Wild. So for me, abig factor is not having a map
that's just so cluttered by allthese question marks that show
you where every single thing inthe game is, it takes away the
(16:58):
incentive to explore when youopen up like an assassin's creed
map, and you've already got 50question marks on there of stuff
like points of interest stuff togo do. And you lose that
incentive to incentive to justgo and explore and find stuff on
your own. I feel like I'vealready got the question marks.
I'm like, Oh, I don't need toexplore. I'll just jump on the
(17:19):
horse and and drive and go tothe next one and go to the next
one and go to the next one. Sofor me that really is a huge
driver, you know, when the gamedoesn't hold my hand and tell me
exactly where to go. I'm morelikely to walk and travel by
foot or run, as opposed toSorry, excuse me, as opposed to
riding on horseback. But anotherbig factor, though. I mean,
(17:41):
because time is a factor in ourlives is the ability to sprint,
you know? Yeah, it's a good doyou have a stamina bar? Do you
eventually slow down? Or can youjust sprint on forever? Or is
the game world just in generaltoo big? Yeah, for you to be
able to travel just by foot. SoI do think that all that really
plays into it. I like I said, soI prefer traveling by foot. But
(18:03):
the horseback riding I feel likejust for a time factor is really
something I've probably like itdepends on the game
Hick (18:11):
I like that's my opinion, because there's two games why I
really use the horse a lot, TheWitcher three now why using the
Witcher three, I don't know, Ijust remembered that I really
liked Ryan on the horse in theWitcher three, but I really use
it a lot and ghost Ashima nowgoes to Tsushima the game world
even though it doesn't look bigon the map, like that game world
feels humongous. But here's theother reason that used the horse
(18:33):
so much is because the mechanicof how you are guided in the
game by the wind, like that mademe go off the path usually like
you know what, though, like, youknow, there's a you can see the
question mark or there's like anon objective by a waypoint,
there's a waypoint that you kindof see on the map and you go
towards that, and you're morelikely to stay on the trail.
Whereas like with the wind, likeit would just go a certain
(18:54):
direction. And I found myselfgoing on the path so much and I
just Rhino goshima is one time,the time that rode a horse the
most in open world game. So I, Ithink it depends, honestly
depends on how much fun it is toride a horse. That's also what
you can do when you're on thehorse in ghost Ashima you can
(19:15):
actually pick up items when youroll past them. There's been
other games where if you're on ahorse, you cannot get items. And
if you cannot get items on ahorse and you can you don't want
to fast travel. Your only otheroption is to go by foot right?
Those mechanics right there,they do matter and so I think it
just me I don't really I guessit depends on the horse and like
(19:37):
what you can do on it. For methat's what depends on like,
there's no game like there'sreally no set factor like oh, I
always do this. I always dothat. It really depends on the
games and the mechanics but youknow, whatever traveling around
open world funds no matter howyou do it, well let's fast
travel. People don't fasttravel. The game is not about
being a game as quick as you cantrust me I learned with Skyrim
(19:58):
center get lost in theExperience get lost in the world
go explore do not bash travel,you're gonna waste your damn
time with it. But anyways,
Red (20:06):
I do agree with you on on the fast
travel point like I do thinkthat it kind of breaks the
immersion in again, you can justpull up the map and instantly
travel to you know whether it'sa waypoint, a village or every
point of interest or maybe it'sjust a specific tower like
Breath of the Wild somethinglike that. But it still takes
you out of the game world alittle bit when you do that
(20:26):
because you're almost alwaystaken to a loading screen that's
got like tips or whatever.
That's notbad, but it like it really does
break the immersion for me andno loading times are becoming
better. We
Hick (20:40):
have to worry about that.
The Xbox series x
Red (20:41):
Yeah, exactly. So just like, but you can't not have it
in a game though. Because it'sjust it is a quality of life
thing. Yeah. And people do youknow, these games are so massive
now. And especially like I said,when you're getting close to the
end of the game, you've alreadyseen the vast majority of the
world you know, at that point,you're kind of ready to just
(21:04):
wrap it up hit those last fewpoints of interest you get to
your next mission and was in
Hick (21:08):
Vegas game world that you've ever played.
Red (21:10):
I honestly I don't know.
Like, what the actual official
Hick (21:15):
Yeah, I mean, who knows the scale technically, but
Red (21:17):
right. But I mean, I would have to say I mean, Grand Theft
Auto five would be up there.
Yeah, cuz that game world isabsolutely just insanely large.
That would be the one that Iwould think would probably like
take the cake in terms of if Iran from one corner of the map
to the other corner of the mapit takes it would take the law
of course you'd be driving inthis Yeah. But you know, so to
me, that's probably the biggestone that I've played Do you do
(21:39):
kind of start fast traveling Youknow, when you when you realize
you've you've driven or riddenor walk the same road so many
times so what about you? What doyou think the biggest game world
you've played? Assassin's CreedOdyssey it's not even close.
Hick (21:51):
Okay, all those islands and get it and then you get the
ocean. That game is freakinhumongous. And it's taken me
forever. Like I need to get backto that but 85 hours and I
really need to get back to thatgame. But I'm struggling. I'm
playing high road warriors. Iplay a new super Lucky's tale.
I'm trying to play Tomb Raideron PC and I keep on getting
these damn parts where like yougot do something really quick if
(22:12):
you die like it loads. And soyou know, I suck. So check the
load screen load screen loadscreen. I'm I got tired of this
shit. But anyways, I try to getto my transition earlier than
read cut me off. I get you know,I was making your transition or
whatever. But
Red (22:26):
I had more to say I'm sorry.
Hick (22:28):
That's all right. That's all right. Always do that.
Because if I ever have more sayI also speak up but don't Breath
of the Wild and traveling. Andone thing that Breath of the
Wild did was wouldn't introducevoice introduced voice acting to
Zelda games. Which kind ofbrings us to this whole topic of
celebrities in video games, orpeople being voice actors in
games, and then becomingcelebrities. It happens both
(22:48):
ways. But I kinda just wanted tohave a little conversation on
this. First of all, how do youfeel about celebrities? What's
that do? Well, usually they'regonna be voice acting overall.
Yeah. What's your opinion ofcelebrities and video games? Do
you like it? or Do not
Red (23:02):
you know I'm really hit or miss on celebrities appearing in
video games. And I do feel wekind of mentioned this in the
intro, that it is becoming moreand more common. I think as
video games have become a muchmore prominent and popular, you
know, form of entertainment.
It's no longer just kids andteenagers anymore. Yeah, it
seems like a worldwide a
Hick (23:21):
billion dollar industry to
Red (23:22):
exactly like so more and more celebrities like they like
getting the cameos or even likeactual famous actors and
actresses appearing in thesegames. So if it's done well, and
they pair up a celebrity with awith a role that fits them like
whether it's their appearance,their voice, whatever it is,
then I think it could be reallygood because like one example I
(23:45):
absolutely love is Martin Sheenin Mass Effect two and three. He
plays the character he plays isjust perfect. Like he has got
that like kind of sinistersounding smoky raspy voice Yeah,
it matches his character justabsolutely perfectly. I thought
so
Hick (24:04):
I think that there's a character look like Martin Sheen
or is it just the voice
Red (24:07):
kind of it does have a decent resemblance to him with
you know, some liberties taken.
So that doesn't bother me toomuch,
Hick (24:14):
especially once again,
Red (24:15):
if the person's kind of appearance fits it. Hey, I
thought he really did. So Ithought it was a I thought that
was a really good example. Youknow, one game that I think kind
of took it to an extreme is withDeath Stranding, which of
course, that game took a lot ofstuff to
Hick (24:32):
see. Yeah, yes, it does. I
Red (24:33):
mean, you had the main the main character is Norman ritas,
who's a very famous actor, youknow, going back to boondock
saying, Yeah, that's
Hick (24:42):
a good one. Yeah.
Red (24:42):
And then the walking dead, of course, and the the villain
or, you know, the guy thatyou're always seeing is Mads
Mikkelsen, who's a very famousactor, you know, he's been in
Hannibal, he was one of the guysin Casino Royale, you know, the
Daniel Craig Bond film So, andthen you had cameos from like,
Conan O'Brien. Jeff Kyle. AndI'm probably
Hick (25:00):
butchered that. I love the Conan O'Brien spot in that game.
Red (25:04):
So to me like I look at that as like, maybe that's a
little overboard, but with howcinematic, that game is, yeah,
they were able to pull it offbecause your character is Norman
redist looked amazing. Madslooked amazing, like so, even
though that game did kind oftake it to an extreme like those
guys, like that is a cinematicenough game, that having these
(25:27):
really famous actors seem toreally fit in there. So I know,
there's plenty of otherexamples. I'm sure we're gonna
get to but just overall, kind ofwhat are How do you feel about
celebrities appearing in videogames?
Hick (25:38):
Yeah, man, this dream it's a weird ass game. For me, like,
hey, with it, like you said, ifit's done right now, like he
says, they become morecinematic. And also the industry
becomes bigger. You're seeingthe celebrities like you know,
want to game video games moreexactly what you said. So while
I'm repeating, I don't know. Weseen this on something that's
like, yeah, we've seen thissince way back in the day, like
(26:00):
we had check and check food.
Like Becca, they were checkingeverything. Like younger kids.
Like Shaq used to be in movieslike kazaaam Oh, yeah. No, just
that guy used to do everything.
And then you had mike tyson MikeTyson's punch out which, with
all his trouble, I think theylater took him out and renamed
it Oh, yeah. Ciao without MikeTyson. I think he fought
somebody else. I'm not reallysure. But I believe that's what
(26:23):
happened. They but um, you know,that was mostly sports games
back in the day. But we've seenthis go on for a long time. But,
you know, then there's someexamples like where I don't
think it fits very well. And I'mactually going to mention a non
video game for this like when EdSheeran showed up in Game of
Thrones, like that is, you know,that just was a place that that
just didn't work out. And in ACValhalla. Now I'm not saying
(26:45):
this. But I've heard that CodyBellinger. The Los Angeles
Dodgers baseball player is in itand see, that's one of those
things right there where thatsounds like this is a baseball
player in a Viking game, like,you know, that teaches, like,
that's an example where I don'treally like you like you got
Keanu Reeves and cyberpunk 2077.
But he's an actor, like he'splayed different roles, like,
you know, for example, thematrix which a lot of sci fi
Red (27:09):
roles, yeah,
Hick (27:10):
I need to really watch those movies. I don't know, I
have no reason for watchingthose movies. I just have not
done it. But that fits in verywell with cyberpunk 2077. So it
makes sense also, KieferSutherland in metal Metal Gear
Solid five, also kind of similarroles to once he has, you know,
in the past. So right exampleslike that, like, you know, I do
(27:31):
really like it, but we just do acelebrity in there to do it with
you know what I'm saying that,but I love Conan O'Brien
training. So you know, and thatliterally was just a throw in
right there like, right, he doesnot fit in that game whatsoever.
It's probably because he doesthat up. He does that little
skit with the boy doesn't reusefor the games or whatever like
that. It's I probably got inthere. So you know, I guess
(27:54):
there are examples where if theyare just don't in they look did
i do like it, but thank themajority of the time, I do not
like that I like the celebritiesto actually, you know, either
played some kind of row or havesome kind of personality that
fits the person that they'replaying actually, like, you
know, in the game. And here'sthe thing, like, you know, yeah,
it's nice to throw in herethere. But then you say like,
(28:16):
you know, Norman reid is dishtraining, they kind of overdid
it a little while. And that'show like my celebrities and
video games is actually in themiddle. Neither one of those in
the middle. I just slept it tobe in there a decent amount, but
not be the main character. AndI'm not sure how much Keanu
Reeves plays in cyberpunk 2077.
But I do know that he's not themain character, but he's a
pretty big role in it. And Ithink that I am going to like
(28:40):
that. So um, you know,
Red (28:44):
all over the place.
Hick (28:45):
Yeah. I don't really know where to go next with this one.
But it's,
Red (28:48):
well, here's here's the thought you did kind of mention
how voice actors voice actressesactually kind of, Oh, yeah, I'm
famous from their voice acting.
There's a couple of examples ofones that just popped into my
head immediately when I think ofvideo game. Voice capture voice
characters, Nolan North andJennifer Hale are two characters
that have primarily becomefamous, at least in gamers, at
(29:11):
least in my mind, from doingroles in video games. And I
think like as the voice actingbecomes more prominent games,
get more famous games get morepopular. You know, this is a
good niche for people who youand I'm not saying this about
nolan north or Jennifer Hale atall, but like maybe if you're
not a great actor,
Hick (29:31):
but if you've got a good vision that gets you where you
want to get to in the bay,
Red (29:34):
that's a much better way to put exactly no clue if nolan
north or Jennifer Hale areactually good actors and
actresses or not, I don't know.
But you know, if you have atalent for the voiceovers, and
you've got a great voice forwhether it's action games,
adventure games, whatever it is,you know, it's another great
avenue for people to likebecomes you know, become get a
break industry
Hick (29:55):
and I think voice acting is becoming more and more
important because we're gettingmore and more lost with the The
games like back in the day, likeit mattered, but I don't think
it really mattered that muchlike go back to like Grand Theft
Auto three and by city like thevoice acting in those games it's
not really that memorable at allbut he really had days if you
had bad voice acting, you aregoing to get killed like you
(30:17):
know, a good I don't think agood example but Patricia
Somerset that played Zelda andBreath of the Wild, I didn't
mind her at all. I thought itwas nice that we have voice
acting is still a game. But youknow, she did become a little
bit of a celebrity but at thesame time, she also got bats a
little bit.
Red (30:34):
She knows she became infamous instead of famous I
Hick (30:37):
yeah, so I mean acting I mean, so can go that way too and
everything but um, I just thinklike you said, like, as we go
forward, I don't think so muchcelebrities, like you know, I
think we need like you said thepeople with the right voices no
matter where they are. They'recelebrities. That's cool. But
they're just random people.
Obviously they try to get intovoice acting most likely, like
the God of War guy. Oh my God.
(30:59):
That voice was lucky. Perfectman like
Red (31:02):
to get his voice in the witchers
Hick (31:04):
doesn't try to say like, these voice like voice acting is
becoming so huge because itimmerses you so much in the
game. And there's so manycinematics that when you get
something like a god award,whoever he said that was, I
mean, it can make a gamespectacular.
Red (31:21):
Plus, like when you look back on these games that we're
really fond of, especially youknow, in the last game
generation or two, you're notgoing back to games that didn't
have voice acting that youassociate that voice with the
character when you see thecharacter that voice immediately
is one of the things that popsin your head like I mentioned
Witcher you mentioned the God ofWar person. Like I know my
female Cassie, my winters
Hick (31:41):
all screwed up because of the damn Netflix show. I don't
remember how the videogamecharacters sounded.
Red (31:45):
Now you've got Henry Cavill Yeah, yeah, but no,
so it's like it does becomesynonymous with that character.
And of course unless it changesthen it can just throw you way
off.
Hick (31:53):
Yeah, you know,
Red (31:54):
so I do like that it's a good Avenue. And you know, it's
just it for these people to kindof break through and they become
that video game character.
That's who you think of when yousee that character? You know you
I won't think about DeathStranding and not think about
Norman ritas I mean, wellwithout also think about how
fucked up the producer andintegrator that game
Hick (32:13):
Yeah, yep. You gotta have a really messed up man to create
something like that
Red (32:17):
right. Now one interesting kind of example or a couple of
examples. I'm really going topick on Marvel here for a minute
for two specific examples ofwhere they really fucked up with
the celebrity likenesses. Whenyou have an existing IP like
Marvel, when the MarvelCinematic Universe is as massive
as it is in the characters, youknow, Robert Downey Jr. Chris
(32:42):
Evans, you know, ChrisHemsworth, like, you know, those
are Iron Man Thor, CaptainAmerica like that is and Mark
Ruffalo for the Hulk. That, youknow, that is who that character
should be. Because for the last,what, 1015 years, they have
dominated pop culture. They'vebeen in our face for 10 or 15
years. And then you make a gamebased on the it's called the
(33:05):
fucking Avengers, and it hasCaptain America, Thor, Iron Man
hook, and they don't lookanything like the characters.
Yeah, and I get okay. Thelicensing and all that shit may
have been prohibitivelyexpensive to get their
likenesses their voices,whatever maybe to pay the actors
would have been way too muchlike you've got Marvel Disney
(33:27):
fuck you money. Like Yeah,there's a spider
Hick (33:31):
man they use the actor's face and they did okay, which it
didn't change it to look likethe first place in a new one. So
you can't go back and forth onthat one. But yeah, I get what
you're saying. I do agree withyou. But same time in the
original spider man. I don'tbelieve that use that actors.
Like there's been a coupledifferent actors, right? I don't
believe that you really use thatactors face and then what they
(33:51):
tried and we bashed that one butso i think i think it comes down
to Yes, I agree. I would love tosee the Marvel actors as their
characters, right? You can stillmake a great like you should
make a great game from it if youdon't have that.
Red (34:05):
And it sounds like they didn't make a great game out of
Avengers I heard it bombed.
Hick (34:08):
I didn't look into it all I'm sick of Avengers and
everything like just I'm notreally against it but just I'm
not able to check out thethousands of movies they made in
the last 15 years so you know,right?
Red (34:18):
And then I do like I'm glad you brought up the spider man
and like okay, you've alreadygot the video game character The
game is already out and you'redoing an update or remake
whatever and you totally changethe way the guy looks to make it
Hick (34:30):
look closer. Dad was terrible. You heard his pitch
about that.
Red (34:33):
Oh my god.
Hick (34:34):
I wish everyone episode that was go back. It's called
Spider Man face transplant.
That's the title. Go back andcheck that out because I went
off.
Red (34:41):
Oh, yeah. So So to me, I feel like Marvel has kind of
fucked up twice. And they did itin two very different ways with
their games, but man overall, ingeneral, if the celebrity fits
the game and fits within thegame, whether it's their
likeness, their voice, whatever,I'm all for it. You know, I
still would be bashed over thehead with like cameo popping up
everywhere. But you know, like Isaid, Norman arenas did a great
(35:04):
job. You know, KieferSutherland, Martin Sheen. They
all fit you know, Shaq and Shaqfoo whatever. Yeah. So it's it I
it doesn't bother me at the endof the day and you know if
people are getting famous bybeing voice actors, more power
to them. Yeah. But you know, wekind of sit here we talk about
hearing celebrity voices andadvances in like audio voiceover
(35:26):
all that stuff. audio and videogames is becoming more and more
important as our audiotechnology. Yes continues to
advance. I mean, 3d audio, thesoundtracks are getting frickin
symphonies going on. audio andvideo gaming in has always been
a little important becausesoundtracks really stick to our
mind. But man, is it ever evenmore important now with the
(35:48):
technology for audio that is inour hands? So we wanted to take
a few minutes and talk a littlebit about your preference when
you're playing a video games,headphones, or TV speakers or
sound system? Go? Which one doyou prefer? Well, my
Hick (36:00):
preference would be sound system, the bass booming
speakers loud, but I don't havethat option, because I have
three young kids. So that's whatI would love to do, but I can't
do which brings me to my nextpoint, what I love to do now I
love to do now but the way Iplay the most now is with
headphones, right guys, youknow, a lot of times my kids are
asleep or whatever or I'm justyou know, I can Okay, they're
(36:24):
either asleep or they're makinga lot of noise. So if I don't
have headphones in I can't hearor I gotta have headphones in to
be quiet but to me like if youcan't do on a sound system and I
really actually really likedthis conversation because like
you say it's becoming more andmore important and I just really
think the way you hear games youknow, kind of go along with that
is definitely becoming importanta lot of 3d audio, and this is
(36:47):
why I think headphones are goingto be bigger, better like
bigger, more people are gonnaget to say okay, want to get
that more people are going towant to use headphones in the
future, I think a lot of has todo is 3d audio, where you're
hitting sounds like that arecoming from different directions
with headphones, you can hearthat better on a left and a
(37:09):
right ear versus a speaker wherethey might have a left and a
right speaker but it's stillcoming towards you from like,
you know, a central position some I love playing video games
with headphones nowadays. I hatethe wires but
Red (37:23):
yeah,
Hick (37:23):
this is next year I guess she does this next gen he might
not have looked into it. Isthere Bluetooth capability with
the systems
Red (37:30):
I mean there's obviously Bluetooth support for the
controllers and stuff well
Hick (37:34):
yeah,
Red (37:35):
yeah But no, I do not know in terms of headphones I have
not tried I don't have the key Idon't have the situation you
know I'm not living with a wifeand kids I do have an apartment
complex so I tried to blast myaudio to yeah but man if I'm
gaming during you know waitwaking hours and not you know
after you know nine or 10o'clock at night when people are
going to bed man I'm old schoolI love having the speakers but
(37:57):
yeah, unfortunately a lot ofgames I play our action games so
you know I love the shooters andstuff like that so you know I'm
a big fan of just the boomingsound the bass you know and
yeah, maybe you don't get thebest 3d audio because I don't I
don't have a surround soundsetup so I don't really get that
3d audio or hell there's evensound bars now that do 3d audio
(38:18):
somehow yeah that technologymakes no fucking sense to me
whatsoever but anyway, but Ilove having I've got two tower
speakers that I've had sincecollege basic yeah hooked up to
an old nose. Oh and yeah, I usedto put them in my window to
blast music out into the village
Hick (38:36):
that one that one time member that that girl that night
Red (38:42):
Oh sometimes try to drink with us is the down
Hick (38:46):
my wife about that one.
Red (38:49):
Anyway anyway before we get ourselves in trouble
Hick (38:53):
Absolutely. I didn't continue on notice that
Red (38:55):
Yeah, I do absolutely love having the
big tower speakers in my livingroom setup. I've got the
speakers far enough away fromthe TV like on almost an
opposite corners of the livingroom that you still kind of get
that 3d effect if you have itset up for stereo sound and it's
not as good as obviously is theperfect 3d audio and all that
but at least it helps a littlebit in getting that okay, it's
(39:18):
coming from the left or it'scoming from the right so and
another reason I still preferthe tower speakers is I've never
invested in good headphones likeI've never showed a good pair of
headphones and I know these daysyou can get absolutely amazing
whether it's both beats or evenlike the same second Apple like
the air buds things like thatare all amazing headphones. Now
(39:38):
the technology in them is so farbeyond what it has been you know
when we were growing up I'vejust never in put the time and
money into a good pair ofheadphones. So that's a big
reason for me. Why I still doprefer to game with with the big
tower speakers. Now. If If I hada good pair that I put a couple
hundred bucks into it. NoiseCancellation,
Hick (40:01):
boss, you got to put more than 100 bucks a couple down you
like you need to get some Idon't know, I keep on trying to
talk you into things He justwon't listen to me. I guess you
spend all your money on next genconsole system. So whatever.
Red (40:13):
Yeah. Taught me into that Nintendo Entertainment online.
Yeah,
Hick (40:16):
yeah, but um, you know, one thing that makes me upset is
that my sound system is on theTV that my kids get to watch. So
say, Man, you are out there. Imean, it's nice to have a
family. I love my wife. I lovemy kids. But there's shit like
this man. Where are you just,you know, and then I'm like,
well, maybe I'll just move itinto my you know, my I call it
my lounge, where my computer, myTV on everything. But my TV is
(40:38):
turned in that you don't havethe room for all the speakers.
And so my kids set here, theyget the damn sound system. They
don't use the subwoofer. So thatthat's, you know, I don't want
to turn it off, you know, butWell, yeah. So they taken, I
love them. But man, they take mysound system. And that's really
that's really taking a lot ofthe knife going on that, like
(40:58):
you kind of talked aboutsoundbar and 3d audio. I've
actually thought about getting agood soundbar but you see on my
TV in the lounge, like, yeah, ithas to be turned because of
where my desk is at. Yeah. Andlike if you have a soundbar like
it would be streaming the wallversus versus the TV. It's
turned in. So I don't think thesound project the way I wanted
it to. And then if I put it onmy desk, I think it would be too
(41:21):
low where the TV was hired. Andso, you know, I'm just kind of
position right now where, youknow, yeah, do you use my
headphones a lot? I do. I wouldlike a sound system, especially,
you know, while working fromhome, I have a couple of hours
after work or I can do whateverI want to. Yeah, yeah, it would
be cool to play like, you know,a video game on a great sound
system, but you know, kind ofget away from that I won't get
(41:43):
to the headphones. Here'ssomething I gotta tell you all,
I'd recommend the read like hedid $100 on headphones. Get out
here.
Red (41:50):
I said a couple hundred. A couple.
Hick (41:53):
Hundred $350 is what you should be spending but I'm gonna
talk about that price point,you're
Red (41:57):
two thirds of the way to a fucking PlayStation five.
Hick (42:00):
Nobody sounds good.
Dammit. All right, let me get toit. But um, anyways, like a
little while ago, I bought somebeats over the ear headphones.
They had some hard not hardware,they fell apart. Let's just put
that way. The sound was good,but they fell apart. But here's
the thing about it. After thathappened, I went out and I
bought another $350 pair ofheadphones. Because when you
spend that much money onheadphones, you can't tell the
(42:23):
difference is one of thosethings that once you buy one of
them, like you don't go backlike you want them and so this
guy like what I talked about,um, you know, I do recommend if
you're going to play withheadphones, I don't understand.
I understand that everybody doesnot have the money to spend big
dollars on headphones. I'mtelling you that if you can make
it work, it is freakin worth. Itmakes like I have Bose
(42:45):
quietcomfort 35 that's the onesthat I don't know. I need to
repeat that. But there'sactually because there's new
ones out that's why I gotconfused. But I have those and
they sound amazing now Yeah, Igot connected wire and
everything to the controllerbecause you know, there's no
Bluetooth in the the oldermodels. I don't know about the
newer systems,
Red (43:03):
but I mess around with to see if there's a way to do it
Hick (43:06):
now. Yeah, but it just makes it sound so much better.
And then one cool thing actuallyabout me is when I'm I can also
if I don't want to go wired, myair pods connect to my TV. Now
you do have to have a newer TVthat has bluetooth that can't
connect to headphones. But um,you know, that's also very cool
to do. But if you I guess onerecommended people here is if
(43:27):
you can't have a good soundsystem, I would say go
headphones and spend a goodamount of money on headphones,
because I guess it's kind oflike you know, earlier like, the
point about gaming nowadays isgain loss in the games, right?
And those headphones will helpyou get lost in a game. So I'm
read I had a point that I wantto throw to you right? I can't
(43:47):
remember. Exactly. Oh, you wantto talk about before we end real
quick. Do you want to kind ofget into gaming headphones and
like, you know, are thosebetter? Are they not better? Do
we know?
Red (43:56):
Well, again, like I said, I've never splurged for good
headphones or gaming specificheadphones. So I don't have a
clue. It's never an area I'vedone research. I think if you
know if I was in a situationlike you where you had the wife
and kids and the OC sometimesneed to be quiet, or, or people
who are traveling and doing workand blaring music
Hick (44:15):
now is with headphones, right?
Red (44:17):
Or people who were like gaming on the go and like is
streaming like streaming videogames becomes more and more
prominent and people areactually just gaming literally
on their cell phone on theirtablet, whatever and still
playing these those guys have aheadset you have good headphones
with the head. Yep. Becauseyou're gonna get good quality
audio out of a fucking cellphone or a tablet. I mean, so I
think that headphones willbecome more popular, especially
(44:40):
in places where people aregaming on the go a lot, you
know, your bigger cities or yourcountries that have better you
know, public transportation,better train systems, all that
stuff. I can see that reallybecoming more popular along with
virtual reality. Yeah, your VRheadphones are tailor made for
that because it really doestotally immerse you. You've got
your full vision and Audio areall totally contained, like they
(45:02):
are made for headphones. Solike, I do think that headphones
will continue to become more andmore popular, especially as the
hopefully kind of the technologykeeps getting better. And yeah,
price those headphones comesdown a little bit like most
electronics do over time, youknow, but as for specific games,
I've traveled so far off youroriginal question, but as far as
specific gaming headphones, I'vejust never really looked into
(45:24):
it. So I don't know if there'ssomething better out there.
Hick (45:27):
But I don't know if it's conversation that everybody
wants to hear from us, but I wasreally excited about it. I enjoy
talking about it. I think soundreally matters. But anyways,
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Red (46:12):
Yep, we were on YouTube at tg PC gaming Busted Buttons and
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Hick (46:19):
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Oh crap I
Red (46:21):
thought we didn't talk about gaming you're right sorry.
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So thanks, everyone forlistening. Keep on gaming and
we'll see you next episode.
Welcome to Episode 36 of the Busted Buttons video game
podcast in this episode, I'm notgonna lie, we're kind of going
to be a little bit all over theplace, because we have some
scraps left over from the lastepisode, you know, we really
wanted to get in to the consolelaunches and kind of that future
of tea Jane
Hick (00:33):
is not doing any better either, right now, I can tell
you that.
Red (00:37):
So I will say so we just got to have some random gameplay
type topics that were just thatwe've had that we really wanted
to talk about. So we're going tokind of get into a, you know,
final bosses in games and, youknow, some games you have to
fight them multiple timesthroughout the game. How
do we feel about that? in openworld games? How do we feel
about traveling on foot versushorseback or using fast travel,
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you know, what's our personalpreference and what impacts that
preference, we're also going toreally touch on celebrities and
video games, it seems like thisis it's always kind of been
there, but it's becoming moreand more prominent here the
last, you know, generation ofconsoles or so so we'll get into
that. And then finally, we'regonna spend a little bit of time
talking about the soundpreferences for video games. And
by sound preferences. I mean,like, how do we listen while
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we're playing these headphonesTV surround sound so we'll get
into all that. But before wejump into that, I do want to
ask, in our last episode, yousaid you were gonna get drunk.
And by age of calamity, did youdo it? And have you had a chance
to play it yet?
Hick (01:34):
Well, sadly, I did not get drunk now. I had a pretty good
buzz going on. But you know,with the kids, I can't always
get that smashing, right. It wasplaying off that night and just
I'm sure they were bothered meit didn't happen but I did drink
I did drink my upland wheat Ale,and I did buy that game. So you
know, I've got that part out ofthe way I play it just a tad bit
really just a first actually,all I did was play the first
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stage. Um, you know, it's kindof just like I said, Man, you
know, it's just, I mean, yeah,just I mean, yeah, there's a
little bit of a story too andeverything but it's really just
going out into a field orwhatever the saying is, it's
just been mashing That's all itis. And personally, I think
there's too much going on on thescreen like there's all these
attacks and all these buttonsyou have to hit to do these
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certain attacks. Now I know asthe gang goes on that will
become easier Yes. Like thatpeople talking down the left
part of the screen like are youhave a hard enough time? Like
there's these everywhere you doall these attacks, and there's
people talking there's just toomuch shit going on, which is
kind of like I'll kind of takeit to another game. I'm playing
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a new super Lucky's tale accountwe'll have a short conversation
with you here on Yeah, yeah, cuzthis is like Hyrule Warriors.
Like I said, I don't really havemuch say first stage. It's okay.
But yeah, like, there's all thischaos going on. Now New Super,
Lucky's tale. It's a platformer.
It's very cute, very colorful. Ikind of wanna I don't want to
talk about this too long becausewe went to our first topic but
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as I'm playing it, like it's alittle bit easier but gang which
is nice when you're playingsomething as chaotic as Hyrule
Warriors it's overlapping rightnow be difficult but is chaotic.
But is there a point for us? Orthese games might be too cute?
You know? It might notdefinitely they're not for
adults. I would say they'redefinitely more towards you know
little kids or teenagers. Yeah,but my question to you would be
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can a game be too cue andunattractive for adults?
Red (03:26):
I don't think so. And one of the ones I will go to is
Yoshis crafted world like it Iknow like the game itself is
it's just a solid platformerit's it's nothing that's gonna
blow you away it's fun, but itis adorable juicy like the
entire world the characters Theenemies are like all created out
of like crafts and like do stuffaround the house. So it in, in
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some games, especially in we'vegot more of these, you know,
platformers seem to really haveit like these really cute art
style. And I think as long asthe game spawn, I say fuck it,
man. If it's cute, whatever. SoMike's wants to make fun of you
for playing a cute game.
Hick (04:04):
Right? Come on, man. I got kids. I'm not worried about
someone making fun of meanymore.
Red (04:08):
Exactly. So no, I don't think that that game can be too
cute. I mean, I know Okay,sometimes it might be an art
style that's like yes thingswhere it's so cute. It's
disgusting like everything'scotton candy pink or something
like that then yeah, that's onething but you know just thinking
about a game like Yoshis craftedworld that is a very cute game.
I still had fun with it. And Istill enjoyed it as an adult. So
Hick (04:30):
I'm having a blast a new super Lucky's tale I guess we've
kind of made me think about thatactually. was not so much the
our style or anything is morelike the character interactions
in a way. Yeah, it's I mean,some platformers 3d platformers
are pretty easy, but this gamesa little bit too easy so far, so
I guess I agree with you like Idon't care what people say I'm
gonna play the game find joy. Iam enjoying it so far, but it
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has popped up into my head withthe conversations and everything
like this is a little bitchildish, but it's alright.
Anyways, file bosses. Let's getto our first topic of the
podcast at five minutes in. Butum what got me thinking about
this is I've been playing SuperMario 3d All Stars lately. You
got Mario, you know get SuperMario Galaxy you got Super Mario
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64 and he got some other game Ican't remember cuz it's not
porn. It's fucking trash. Sojust just quite the market off
your list. That's the onlyreason that you should play
Super Mario Sunshine is themarket off your damn list
anyways, as playing these gameslike you fight bouncer in each
of them three times, I don'twant those to you. It kind of
made me think about do you likehaving bosses like that
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throughout the game to fight? Orwould you rather just fight them
at the end?
Red (05:40):
When it comes to final bosses like that I strongly
prefer to only face them onetime at the end of the game.
Great to me it feels like you'reholding in games that have a
final boss. I know this doesn'tapply to everything. But in
games that have a final boss,like the whole game should be
leading up to it. It should betrying to get to that final boss
or get to where you're goodenough to conquer that final
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boss. Or if you're playingBreath of the Wild just jump off
the great plateau and runstraight to the final boss. You
know what? But to me, I onlythink you should fight the final
boss or really any boss. Justone time in the game. I don't
like for me it feels lazy whenbosses get recycled. Especially
the final boss because to me itkind of takes some of that epic
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Final Fight feeling out of it. Imean, think about some of you
know we talked about Zelda somuch just in general think about
some of our favorite Zeldagames, you know A Link to the
Past you finally fight Ganon inthe middle of the Golden pyramid
you know our creative time Yes,you fight shadow Ganon but
that's not their Phantom Ganonrather, but that's not the same
thing like you finally fightGanondorf Phantom
Hick (06:43):
Ganondorf right come on, man. You got no better Zelda
fans will get on you. Oh, I
Red (06:48):
know what I know it. So like in those like Final fights
feels so epic. Because you'veseen the character throughout
the game. You've probably talkedto the character and a lot of
cases he's taunted you or poppedup here and there. But you
finally get to fight him and itjust feels awesome. So to me
having to face the enemy severaltimes and Mario games are
horrible. The 3d Mario gamesYeah, are horrible about this
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because obviously it was thesame way you fought Bowser at
least twice that I can rememberjust off the top my head so I'm
not a fan of it. The final bossshould be reserved for the end
of the game. What do you think?
Hick (07:22):
It makes that boss more epic if you leave it just at the
end at like a great example isTwilight Princess, when you get
to like, you know, Gannettnighters dip for different
versions of Gandalf when you getthere. Right. But like, you
know, you get there and you seethem a little bit cutscenes here
and there. But then you getthere and you see me had this
confrontation. That means somuch more than if you would have
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fought him throughout the game.
So I just think when you'resitting there and you don't get
anything really from this bossuntil the end, it just makes
that fight seem special. Whereasif you play them before usually
obviously you end up being thembecause you progress through the
game. Yeah, but usually whathappens is they quit and they
say oh, I'm gonna go you know,not practice but you know get
practicing get bearish on thesame thing. Anyways, like
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they're gonna go do somethingquick to fight another day.
Yeah, to better fight you thenext time and that just comes
off as cowardly to me. Likeyou're quitting the fight like,
you know, oh, the fight anotherday. And so when you finally get
to him at the end, I'm like,dude, you're a quitter. You're a
coward. So I hate fine boss,final bosses throughout the
game. Now I will mention thatthere is one part where I think
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this really did work well. Andthat's because everything in
this game works well. And so youall know what are you going to
say here? Witcher three in theWild Hunt. They had the wild I
can't remember. I remember youfaced him like at the Battle
care more. And like that was Oh,that was probably that's
probably one of the bestcutscenes and battles and all
video game in my opinion. Butyeah, you do face them a little
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bit throughout and you get alittle bit of cutscenes with
them throughout. Like it didwork in that game so props to
them, but the Witcher three donethings that other games just had
not been able to do since thegame came out in 2015. So
definitely worked there. But um,as far as like you know,
Balthazar okay we're talkingabout cutscenes and like how you
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know it makes it more epic whenyou get there it does Mario
doesn't really make a differencein that sense because it cuts
things there's really no storythey'll still only like to fight
bows are at the end think aboutthe first couple Mario games
like you know Super MarioBrothers Mario three Super Mario
World you didn't face bounceruntil the very end in those
fights stuff truly epic but youknow here I want to talk to you
(09:30):
because we got one example thatis just absolutely terrible with
this facing a boss throughoutthe game and that sky restore
watching this kind of go andtalk about how bad dad one is
Red (09:41):
well in this one this one's kind of cheating a little bit
for us because these aren'ttechnically the final boss
because demise but you know youhave to fight gear him in the
imprison both of them willdemise Is he in prison. So that
kind of final boss and gear himis basically a sword at the end.
So you know, it counts we'regonna go together, it goes
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together. Yeah, so you have tofight both of them three fucking
times throughout the game. And Iget that they change up their
attacks both times you get thegroup's inator against the
imprison, which is awesome,don't get me wrong, but just
part of it is those were thefights themselves weren't that
interesting even though I likedthe gear him character, but you
know when you have to fight thesame guy three times throughout
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the game and in this case theydid it twice. I mean, that just
screams absolute laziness andyou'll gear him was the worst. I
was like, Ah, you know, you'vegot some skill, but you know,
I'm gonna cut I'll get youlater. You know, he's cocky
about it. Right as opposed tocowardly. But he's still like,
you know, you're okay, but I'llget you later. And he was the
perfect example of that. Theimprison just like escaping a
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few times. I don't know, it justfelt redundant to have to fight
both them over and over and overand like they're the fights were
very similar. And this goes foranytime this goes with the
bouncer fights and everythingelse that we've talked about.
Usually, the fights are sosimilar anyway. Yes, they might
have a few new attacks, theremight be a few new ways to
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attack them. Like I mentioned,the group's inator is really
cool. But you know, other thanthat, it's still the same
fucking fight. And it just itgets repetitive. It gets boring.
I remember when you first gearhim in the first dungeon. And
then you're like, Oh, my God,we're gonna Yeah, yeah, you knew
he was gonna pop up a few moretimes. And he does. And it's
just, I don't know, I'm not afan. I don't care. I know, we've
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mostly focused on final bosses,but even when it's just regular
bosses that they repeat, and oldgames kind of had to recycle
that just Yeah, the restraintsof the systems. There's no
fucking excuse in this day andage. Unless you've got a really
good story reason to do it. Andyou can keep the fight fresh and
interesting every time. There'sno reason to have to repeat boss
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fights to me. It is absolutelylazy Skyward Sword. I know you
get dragged on by a lot ofpeople for your
Hick (11:55):
Skyward Sword. So but but
Red (11:56):
I love Skyward Sword, that part of it can strike Fuck off.
Hick (11:59):
Yeah, I agree. I do agree.
I love it. But I agree with youon that part.
Red (12:03):
But you know, so, you know, we've been talking about final
bosses and the builds to finalbosses and everything. And, you
know, the more you play a game,the more it really does tend to
like build up to that climacticfight. You know, I know, you
know, games that obviously youplay the most open world games
and the time that we put intothem. I know, we've talked a
little bit about, you know,hours and things like that. And
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gameplay in open world games.
Let's be honest, open worldgames are huge right now. So
we're going to talk about them alittle bit in just about every
episode, it seems like
Hick (12:31):
but you know,
Red (12:32):
how do you play the game and most specifically, kind of
how you travel around the gameworld can really have an impact
and an effect on kind of howlong you put into an open world
game. And that really got usthinking about and I think about
this, honestly, every open worldgame I play is how I get around
that world. Am I doing it onfoot? Am I doing it on
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horseback? Am I fast travelingall around it? So I kind of want
to kick to you, you know, whenit comes to getting around an
open world game? What and thisis probably the longest
transition of all time. I swearI eventually was going to
connect all my dad's
Hick (13:10):
like, Damn, he's going on about this one took me a minute.
Red (13:13):
But so when it comes to open world games, how do you
prefer to kind of get around inthem? And what do you think
drives you towards one method oranother,
Hick (13:21):
it really varies by game to like, depending on what type?
Well, they're all similar typesof game, but how the mechanics
are in the game. Now, one thingI don't do is fast travel at the
beginning, like I get later onthe game, like there's certain
parts like I know, it'sAssassin's Creed Odyssey, which
I will get back to one day,there were certain parts where I
was like, you know what I'mprobably, I would say a little
bit, maybe like 75% through thegame, but like, I'm not gonna go
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all the way over there, becauseit's gonna take me 20 minutes to
sell. So like, you mean, certainparts, like, you know, I will
fast travel earlier in the game.
But for the most part, I like toleave that to the end. Like, I'm
just trying to go places realquick just to maybe get a
collection item or somethinglike that. But ever since my
mistakes and Skyrim, which I'vekind of talked about in this
podcast, were really like, itwasn't my first open world game,
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but it was one of the reallyfirst ones that maybe weren't
like, you know, like a badexample. Because really, Breath
of the Wild is only the firstone that was really open world
but right Skyrim was one of myfirst open world games, I just
fast traveled everywhere. And itreally killed the experience.
Like I did not enjoy the game atall. Like I beat Skyrim at 40
hours in a day. And that's myopinion after playing more open
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world games, that should neverhappen. So ever since that game
like I've really tried myhardest to travel on foot.
That's the way that I like totravel because you see
everything and you can really doitems along the way. And one
thing that I hate with Rhinohorse now, we will talk about
this I will ride a horse in somegame. Some games, the mechanics
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do matter, but like you can't Ifind myself riding on trail a
lot when I ride a horse. Yeah,and I really hate it because you
don't see Like the rest of theworld, you don't see all the
nooks and cranny like whenyou're when you're also a little
bit higher off of the ground.
When you're walking, you'recloser to the ground. You can go
everywhere you can go offcliffs, everything you know you
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could do that goes to Tsushima.
But your horse would you know,bite it? Yeah, exactly. You
know, there's a glitch in thatgame where you should be able to
jump off certain cliffs. So asucker punch, I messed up, you
messed up a little bit rightthere. But, you know, I can't do
it to you. But um, for me, itdoes very well kind of continue
on with this. But if I can, andif the world is not too big, I
do prefer to travel by foot. Howabout you?
Red (15:34):
In general, I do. And yet, the more I sat here, and I
prefer to travel by foot aswell, is what I mean. But the
more I've sat here and thoughtabout it, I find myself doing
the horseback riding a lot moreoften than then I really
realized and I think part of itis, and we're going to mention
breath the wild probably quite abit in this because that's when
we both explored on foot lastexclusively like
Hick (15:56):
I did not different though,
Red (15:58):
I did not ride a horse and Breath of the Wild unless the
game required me to. So that isthe one that I probably did on
foot more than any other one.
And I think kind of what drivesthat for me is when you don't
have question marks andwaypoints and quests, like all
over your map from the get go.
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Like with Breath of the Wild.
Yeah, you've kind of got justthe general like, okay, at the
beginning, yes, go see Impa thenyes, go do the four divine
geese. But other than that thereare no waypoints on your map,
unless you put them thereyourself. And I think that
really encourages you to travelby foot, just because you can
walk in every differentdirection. You can like go
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through the woods, you can goaround, up and down cliffs, you
know, things like, again, theclimbing is a big factor. You
know, I liked climbing and Zeldawe both loved climbing and
Breath of the Wild. So for me, abig factor is not having a map
that's just so cluttered by allthese question marks that show
you where every single thing inthe game is, it takes away the
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incentive to explore when youopen up like an assassin's creed
map, and you've already got 50question marks on there of stuff
like points of interest stuff togo do. And you lose that
incentive to incentive to justgo and explore and find stuff on
your own. I feel like I'vealready got the question marks.
I'm like, Oh, I don't need toexplore. I'll just jump on the
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horse and and drive and go tothe next one and go to the next
one and go to the next one. Sofor me that really is a huge
driver, you know, when the gamedoesn't hold my hand and tell me
exactly where to go. I'm morelikely to walk and travel by
foot or run, as opposed toSorry, excuse me, as opposed to
riding on horseback. But anotherbig factor, though. I mean,
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because time is a factor in ourlives is the ability to sprint,
you know? Yeah, it's a good doyou have a stamina bar? Do you
eventually slow down? Or can youjust sprint on forever? Or is
the game world just in generaltoo big? Yeah, for you to be
able to travel just by foot. SoI do think that all that really
plays into it. I like I said, soI prefer traveling by foot. But
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the horseback riding I feel likejust for a time factor is really
something I've probably like itdepends on the game
Hick (18:11):
I like that's my opinion, because there's two games why I
really use the horse a lot, TheWitcher three now why using the
Witcher three, I don't know, Ijust remembered that I really
liked Ryan on the horse in theWitcher three, but I really use
it a lot and ghost Ashima nowgoes to Tsushima the game world
even though it doesn't look bigon the map, like that game world
feels humongous. But here's theother reason that used the horse
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so much is because the mechanicof how you are guided in the
game by the wind, like that mademe go off the path usually like
you know what, though, like, youknow, there's a you can see the
question mark or there's like anon objective by a waypoint,
there's a waypoint that you kindof see on the map and you go
towards that, and you're morelikely to stay on the trail.
Whereas like with the wind, likeit would just go a certain
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direction. And I found myselfgoing on the path so much and I
just Rhino goshima is one time,the time that rode a horse the
most in open world game. So I, Ithink it depends, honestly
depends on how much fun it is toride a horse. That's also what
you can do when you're on thehorse in ghost Ashima you can
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actually pick up items when youroll past them. There's been
other games where if you're on ahorse, you cannot get items. And
if you cannot get items on ahorse and you can you don't want
to fast travel. Your only otheroption is to go by foot right?
Those mechanics right there,they do matter and so I think it
just me I don't really I guessit depends on the horse and like
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what you can do on it. For methat's what depends on like,
there's no game like there'sreally no set factor like oh, I
always do this. I always dothat. It really depends on the
games and the mechanics but youknow, whatever traveling around
open world funds no matter howyou do it, well let's fast
travel. People don't fasttravel. The game is not about
being a game as quick as you cantrust me I learned with Skyrim
(19:58):
center get lost in theExperience get lost in the world
go explore do not bash travel,you're gonna waste your damn
time with it. But anyways,
Red (20:06):
I do agree with you on on the fast
travel point like I do thinkthat it kind of breaks the
immersion in again, you can justpull up the map and instantly
travel to you know whether it'sa waypoint, a village or every
point of interest or maybe it'sjust a specific tower like
Breath of the Wild somethinglike that. But it still takes
you out of the game world alittle bit when you do that
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because you're almost alwaystaken to a loading screen that's
got like tips or whatever.
That's notbad, but it like it really does
break the immersion for me andno loading times are becoming
better. We
Hick (20:40):
have to worry about that.
The Xbox series x
Red (20:41):
Yeah, exactly. So just like, but you can't not have it
in a game though. Because it'sjust it is a quality of life
thing. Yeah. And people do youknow, these games are so massive
now. And especially like I said,when you're getting close to the
end of the game, you've alreadyseen the vast majority of the
world you know, at that point,you're kind of ready to just
(21:04):
wrap it up hit those last fewpoints of interest you get to
your next mission and was in
Hick (21:08):
Vegas game world that you've ever played.
Red (21:10):
I honestly I don't know.
Like, what the actual official
Hick (21:15):
Yeah, I mean, who knows the scale technically, but
Red (21:17):
right. But I mean, I would have to say I mean, Grand Theft
Auto five would be up there.
Yeah, cuz that game world isabsolutely just insanely large.
That would be the one that Iwould think would probably like
take the cake in terms of if Iran from one corner of the map
to the other corner of the mapit takes it would take the law
of course you'd be driving inthis Yeah. But you know, so to
me, that's probably the biggestone that I've played Do you do
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kind of start fast traveling Youknow, when you when you realize
you've you've driven or riddenor walk the same road so many
times so what about you? What doyou think the biggest game world
you've played? Assassin's CreedOdyssey it's not even close.
Hick (21:51):
Okay, all those islands and get it and then you get the
ocean. That game is freakinhumongous. And it's taken me
forever. Like I need to get backto that but 85 hours and I
really need to get back to thatgame. But I'm struggling. I'm
playing high road warriors. Iplay a new super Lucky's tale.
I'm trying to play Tomb Raideron PC and I keep on getting
these damn parts where like yougot do something really quick if
(22:12):
you die like it loads. And soyou know, I suck. So check the
load screen load screen loadscreen. I'm I got tired of this
shit. But anyways, I try to getto my transition earlier than
read cut me off. I get you know,I was making your transition or
whatever. But
Red (22:26):
I had more to say I'm sorry.
Hick (22:28):
That's all right. That's all right. Always do that.
Because if I ever have more sayI also speak up but don't Breath
of the Wild and traveling. Andone thing that Breath of the
Wild did was wouldn't introducevoice introduced voice acting to
Zelda games. Which kind ofbrings us to this whole topic of
celebrities in video games, orpeople being voice actors in
games, and then becomingcelebrities. It happens both
(22:48):
ways. But I kinda just wanted tohave a little conversation on
this. First of all, how do youfeel about celebrities? What's
that do? Well, usually they'regonna be voice acting overall.
Yeah. What's your opinion ofcelebrities and video games? Do
you like it? or Do not
Red (23:02):
you know I'm really hit or miss on celebrities appearing in
video games. And I do feel wekind of mentioned this in the
intro, that it is becoming moreand more common. I think as
video games have become a muchmore prominent and popular, you
know, form of entertainment.
It's no longer just kids andteenagers anymore. Yeah, it
seems like a worldwide a
Hick (23:21):
billion dollar industry to
Red (23:22):
exactly like so more and more celebrities like they like
getting the cameos or even likeactual famous actors and
actresses appearing in thesegames. So if it's done well, and
they pair up a celebrity with awith a role that fits them like
whether it's their appearance,their voice, whatever it is,
then I think it could be reallygood because like one example I
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absolutely love is Martin Sheenin Mass Effect two and three. He
plays the character he plays isjust perfect. Like he has got
that like kind of sinistersounding smoky raspy voice Yeah,
it matches his character justabsolutely perfectly. I thought
so
Hick (24:04):
I think that there's a character look like Martin Sheen
or is it just the voice
Red (24:07):
kind of it does have a decent resemblance to him with
you know, some liberties taken.
So that doesn't bother me toomuch,
Hick (24:14):
especially once again,
Red (24:15):
if the person's kind of appearance fits it. Hey, I
thought he really did. So Ithought it was a I thought that
was a really good example. Youknow, one game that I think kind
of took it to an extreme is withDeath Stranding, which of
course, that game took a lot ofstuff to
Hick (24:32):
see. Yeah, yes, it does. I
Red (24:33):
mean, you had the main the main character is Norman ritas,
who's a very famous actor, youknow, going back to boondock
saying, Yeah, that's
Hick (24:42):
a good one. Yeah.
Red (24:42):
And then the walking dead, of course, and the the villain
or, you know, the guy thatyou're always seeing is Mads
Mikkelsen, who's a very famousactor, you know, he's been in
Hannibal, he was one of the guysin Casino Royale, you know, the
Daniel Craig Bond film So, andthen you had cameos from like,
Conan O'Brien. Jeff Kyle. AndI'm probably
Hick (25:00):
butchered that. I love the Conan O'Brien spot in that game.
Red (25:04):
So to me like I look at that as like, maybe that's a
little overboard, but with howcinematic, that game is, yeah,
they were able to pull it offbecause your character is Norman
redist looked amazing. Madslooked amazing, like so, even
though that game did kind oftake it to an extreme like those
guys, like that is a cinematicenough game, that having these
(25:27):
really famous actors seem toreally fit in there. So I know,
there's plenty of otherexamples. I'm sure we're gonna
get to but just overall, kind ofwhat are How do you feel about
celebrities appearing in videogames?
Hick (25:38):
Yeah, man, this dream it's a weird ass game. For me, like,
hey, with it, like you said, ifit's done right now, like he
says, they become morecinematic. And also the industry
becomes bigger. You're seeingthe celebrities like you know,
want to game video games moreexactly what you said. So while
I'm repeating, I don't know. Weseen this on something that's
like, yeah, we've seen thissince way back in the day, like
(26:00):
we had check and check food.
Like Becca, they were checkingeverything. Like younger kids.
Like Shaq used to be in movieslike kazaaam Oh, yeah. No, just
that guy used to do everything.
And then you had mike tyson MikeTyson's punch out which, with
all his trouble, I think theylater took him out and renamed
it Oh, yeah. Ciao without MikeTyson. I think he fought
somebody else. I'm not reallysure. But I believe that's what
(26:23):
happened. They but um, you know,that was mostly sports games
back in the day. But we've seenthis go on for a long time. But,
you know, then there's someexamples like where I don't
think it fits very well. And I'mactually going to mention a non
video game for this like when EdSheeran showed up in Game of
Thrones, like that is, you know,that just was a place that that
just didn't work out. And in ACValhalla. Now I'm not saying
(26:45):
this. But I've heard that CodyBellinger. The Los Angeles
Dodgers baseball player is in itand see, that's one of those
things right there where thatsounds like this is a baseball
player in a Viking game, like,you know, that teaches, like,
that's an example where I don'treally like you like you got
Keanu Reeves and cyberpunk 2077.
But he's an actor, like he'splayed different roles, like,
you know, for example, thematrix which a lot of sci fi
Red (27:09):
roles, yeah,
Hick (27:10):
I need to really watch those movies. I don't know, I
have no reason for watchingthose movies. I just have not
done it. But that fits in verywell with cyberpunk 2077. So it
makes sense also, KieferSutherland in metal Metal Gear
Solid five, also kind of similarroles to once he has, you know,
in the past. So right exampleslike that, like, you know, I do
(27:31):
really like it, but we just do acelebrity in there to do it with
you know what I'm saying that,but I love Conan O'Brien
training. So you know, and thatliterally was just a throw in
right there like, right, he doesnot fit in that game whatsoever.
It's probably because he doesthat up. He does that little
skit with the boy doesn't reusefor the games or whatever like
that. It's I probably got inthere. So you know, I guess
(27:54):
there are examples where if theyare just don't in they look did
i do like it, but thank themajority of the time, I do not
like that I like the celebritiesto actually, you know, either
played some kind of row or havesome kind of personality that
fits the person that they'replaying actually, like, you
know, in the game. And here'sthe thing, like, you know, yeah,
it's nice to throw in herethere. But then you say like,
(28:16):
you know, Norman reid is dishtraining, they kind of overdid
it a little while. And that'show like my celebrities and
video games is actually in themiddle. Neither one of those in
the middle. I just slept it tobe in there a decent amount, but
not be the main character. AndI'm not sure how much Keanu
Reeves plays in cyberpunk 2077.
But I do know that he's not themain character, but he's a
pretty big role in it. And Ithink that I am going to like
(28:40):
that. So um, you know,
Red (28:44):
all over the place.
Hick (28:45):
Yeah. I don't really know where to go next with this one.
But it's,
Red (28:48):
well, here's here's the thought you did kind of mention
how voice actors voice actressesactually kind of, Oh, yeah, I'm
famous from their voice acting.
There's a couple of examples ofones that just popped into my
head immediately when I think ofvideo game. Voice capture voice
characters, Nolan North andJennifer Hale are two characters
that have primarily becomefamous, at least in gamers, at
(29:11):
least in my mind, from doingroles in video games. And I
think like as the voice actingbecomes more prominent games,
get more famous games get morepopular. You know, this is a
good niche for people who youand I'm not saying this about
nolan north or Jennifer Hale atall, but like maybe if you're
not a great actor,
Hick (29:31):
but if you've got a good vision that gets you where you
want to get to in the bay,
Red (29:34):
that's a much better way to put exactly no clue if nolan
north or Jennifer Hale areactually good actors and
actresses or not, I don't know.
But you know, if you have atalent for the voiceovers, and
you've got a great voice forwhether it's action games,
adventure games, whatever it is,you know, it's another great
avenue for people to likebecomes you know, become get a
break industry
Hick (29:55):
and I think voice acting is becoming more and more
important because we're gettingmore and more lost with the The
games like back in the day, likeit mattered, but I don't think
it really mattered that muchlike go back to like Grand Theft
Auto three and by city like thevoice acting in those games it's
not really that memorable at allbut he really had days if you
had bad voice acting, you aregoing to get killed like you
(30:17):
know, a good I don't think agood example but Patricia
Somerset that played Zelda andBreath of the Wild, I didn't
mind her at all. I thought itwas nice that we have voice
acting is still a game. But youknow, she did become a little
bit of a celebrity but at thesame time, she also got bats a
little bit.
Red (30:34):
She knows she became infamous instead of famous I
Hick (30:37):
yeah, so I mean acting I mean, so can go that way too and
everything but um, I just thinklike you said, like, as we go
forward, I don't think so muchcelebrities, like you know, I
think we need like you said thepeople with the right voices no
matter where they are. They'recelebrities. That's cool. But
they're just random people.
Obviously they try to get intovoice acting most likely, like
the God of War guy. Oh my God.
(30:59):
That voice was lucky. Perfectman like
Red (31:02):
to get his voice in the witchers
Hick (31:04):
doesn't try to say like, these voice like voice acting is
becoming so huge because itimmerses you so much in the
game. And there's so manycinematics that when you get
something like a god award,whoever he said that was, I
mean, it can make a gamespectacular.
Red (31:21):
Plus, like when you look back on these games that we're
really fond of, especially youknow, in the last game
generation or two, you're notgoing back to games that didn't
have voice acting that youassociate that voice with the
character when you see thecharacter that voice immediately
is one of the things that popsin your head like I mentioned
Witcher you mentioned the God ofWar person. Like I know my
female Cassie, my winters
Hick (31:41):
all screwed up because of the damn Netflix show. I don't
remember how the videogamecharacters sounded.
Red (31:45):
Now you've got Henry Cavill Yeah, yeah, but no,
so it's like it does becomesynonymous with that character.
And of course unless it changesthen it can just throw you way
off.
Hick (31:53):
Yeah, you know,
Red (31:54):
so I do like that it's a good Avenue. And you know, it's
just it for these people to kindof break through and they become
that video game character.
That's who you think of when yousee that character? You know you
I won't think about DeathStranding and not think about
Norman ritas I mean, wellwithout also think about how
fucked up the producer andintegrator that game
Hick (32:13):
Yeah, yep. You gotta have a really messed up man to create
something like that
Red (32:17):
right. Now one interesting kind of example or a couple of
examples. I'm really going topick on Marvel here for a minute
for two specific examples ofwhere they really fucked up with
the celebrity likenesses. Whenyou have an existing IP like
Marvel, when the MarvelCinematic Universe is as massive
as it is in the characters, youknow, Robert Downey Jr. Chris
(32:42):
Evans, you know, ChrisHemsworth, like, you know, those
are Iron Man Thor, CaptainAmerica like that is and Mark
Ruffalo for the Hulk. That, youknow, that is who that character
should be. Because for the last,what, 1015 years, they have
dominated pop culture. They'vebeen in our face for 10 or 15
years. And then you make a gamebased on the it's called the
(33:05):
fucking Avengers, and it hasCaptain America, Thor, Iron Man
hook, and they don't lookanything like the characters.
Yeah, and I get okay. Thelicensing and all that shit may
have been prohibitivelyexpensive to get their
likenesses their voices,whatever maybe to pay the actors
would have been way too muchlike you've got Marvel Disney
(33:27):
fuck you money. Like Yeah,there's a spider
Hick (33:31):
man they use the actor's face and they did okay, which it
didn't change it to look likethe first place in a new one. So
you can't go back and forth onthat one. But yeah, I get what
you're saying. I do agree withyou. But same time in the
original spider man. I don'tbelieve that use that actors.
Like there's been a coupledifferent actors, right? I don't
believe that you really use thatactors face and then what they
(33:51):
tried and we bashed that one butso i think i think it comes down
to Yes, I agree. I would love tosee the Marvel actors as their
characters, right? You can stillmake a great like you should
make a great game from it if youdon't have that.
Red (34:05):
And it sounds like they didn't make a great game out of
Avengers I heard it bombed.
Hick (34:08):
I didn't look into it all I'm sick of Avengers and
everything like just I'm notreally against it but just I'm
not able to check out thethousands of movies they made in
the last 15 years so you know,right?
Red (34:18):
And then I do like I'm glad you brought up the spider man
and like okay, you've alreadygot the video game character The
game is already out and you'redoing an update or remake
whatever and you totally changethe way the guy looks to make it
Hick (34:30):
look closer. Dad was terrible. You heard his pitch
about that.
Red (34:33):
Oh my god.
Hick (34:34):
I wish everyone episode that was go back. It's called
Spider Man face transplant.
That's the title. Go back andcheck that out because I went
off.
Red (34:41):
Oh, yeah. So So to me, I feel like Marvel has kind of
fucked up twice. And they did itin two very different ways with
their games, but man overall, ingeneral, if the celebrity fits
the game and fits within thegame, whether it's their
likeness, their voice, whatever,I'm all for it. You know, I
still would be bashed over thehead with like cameo popping up
everywhere. But you know, like Isaid, Norman arenas did a great
(35:04):
job. You know, KieferSutherland, Martin Sheen. They
all fit you know, Shaq and Shaqfoo whatever. Yeah. So it's it I
it doesn't bother me at the endof the day and you know if
people are getting famous bybeing voice actors, more power
to them. Yeah. But you know, wekind of sit here we talk about
hearing celebrity voices andadvances in like audio voiceover
(35:26):
all that stuff. audio and videogames is becoming more and more
important as our audiotechnology. Yes continues to
advance. I mean, 3d audio, thesoundtracks are getting frickin
symphonies going on. audio andvideo gaming in has always been
a little important becausesoundtracks really stick to our
mind. But man, is it ever evenmore important now with the
(35:48):
technology for audio that is inour hands? So we wanted to take
a few minutes and talk a littlebit about your preference when
you're playing a video games,headphones, or TV speakers or
sound system? Go? Which one doyou prefer? Well, my
Hick (36:00):
preference would be sound system, the bass booming
speakers loud, but I don't havethat option, because I have
three young kids. So that's whatI would love to do, but I can't
do which brings me to my nextpoint, what I love to do now I
love to do now but the way Iplay the most now is with
headphones, right guys, youknow, a lot of times my kids are
asleep or whatever or I'm justyou know, I can Okay, they're
(36:24):
either asleep or they're makinga lot of noise. So if I don't
have headphones in I can't hearor I gotta have headphones in to
be quiet but to me like if youcan't do on a sound system and I
really actually really likedthis conversation because like
you say it's becoming more andmore important and I just really
think the way you hear games youknow, kind of go along with that
is definitely becoming importanta lot of 3d audio, and this is
(36:47):
why I think headphones are goingto be bigger, better like
bigger, more people are gonnaget to say okay, want to get
that more people are going towant to use headphones in the
future, I think a lot of has todo is 3d audio, where you're
hitting sounds like that arecoming from different directions
with headphones, you can hearthat better on a left and a
(37:09):
right ear versus a speaker wherethey might have a left and a
right speaker but it's stillcoming towards you from like,
you know, a central position some I love playing video games
with headphones nowadays. I hatethe wires but
Red (37:23):
yeah,
Hick (37:23):
this is next year I guess she does this next gen he might
not have looked into it. Isthere Bluetooth capability with
the systems
Red (37:30):
I mean there's obviously Bluetooth support for the
controllers and stuff well
Hick (37:34):
yeah,
Red (37:35):
yeah But no, I do not know in terms of headphones I have
not tried I don't have the key Idon't have the situation you
know I'm not living with a wifeand kids I do have an apartment
complex so I tried to blast myaudio to yeah but man if I'm
gaming during you know waitwaking hours and not you know
after you know nine or 10o'clock at night when people are
going to bed man I'm old schoolI love having the speakers but
(37:57):
yeah, unfortunately a lot ofgames I play our action games so
you know I love the shooters andstuff like that so you know I'm
a big fan of just the boomingsound the bass you know and
yeah, maybe you don't get thebest 3d audio because I don't I
don't have a surround soundsetup so I don't really get that
3d audio or hell there's evensound bars now that do 3d audio
(38:18):
somehow yeah that technologymakes no fucking sense to me
whatsoever but anyway, but Ilove having I've got two tower
speakers that I've had sincecollege basic yeah hooked up to
an old nose. Oh and yeah, I usedto put them in my window to
blast music out into the village
Hick (38:36):
that one that one time member that that girl that night
Red (38:42):
Oh sometimes try to drink with us is the down
Hick (38:46):
my wife about that one.
Red (38:49):
Anyway anyway before we get ourselves in trouble
Hick (38:53):
Absolutely. I didn't continue on notice that
Red (38:55):
Yeah, I do absolutely love having the
big tower speakers in my livingroom setup. I've got the
speakers far enough away fromthe TV like on almost an
opposite corners of the livingroom that you still kind of get
that 3d effect if you have itset up for stereo sound and it's
not as good as obviously is theperfect 3d audio and all that
but at least it helps a littlebit in getting that okay, it's
(39:18):
coming from the left or it'scoming from the right so and
another reason I still preferthe tower speakers is I've never
invested in good headphones likeI've never showed a good pair of
headphones and I know these daysyou can get absolutely amazing
whether it's both beats or evenlike the same second Apple like
the air buds things like thatare all amazing headphones. Now
(39:38):
the technology in them is so farbeyond what it has been you know
when we were growing up I'vejust never in put the time and
money into a good pair ofheadphones. So that's a big
reason for me. Why I still doprefer to game with with the big
tower speakers. Now. If If I hada good pair that I put a couple
hundred bucks into it. NoiseCancellation,
Hick (40:01):
boss, you got to put more than 100 bucks a couple down you
like you need to get some Idon't know, I keep on trying to
talk you into things He justwon't listen to me. I guess you
spend all your money on next genconsole system. So whatever.
Red (40:13):
Yeah. Taught me into that Nintendo Entertainment online.
Yeah,
Hick (40:16):
yeah, but um, you know, one thing that makes me upset is
that my sound system is on theTV that my kids get to watch. So
say, Man, you are out there. Imean, it's nice to have a
family. I love my wife. I lovemy kids. But there's shit like
this man. Where are you just,you know, and then I'm like,
well, maybe I'll just move itinto my you know, my I call it
my lounge, where my computer, myTV on everything. But my TV is
(40:38):
turned in that you don't havethe room for all the speakers.
And so my kids set here, theyget the damn sound system. They
don't use the subwoofer. So thatthat's, you know, I don't want
to turn it off, you know, butWell, yeah. So they taken, I
love them. But man, they take mysound system. And that's really
that's really taking a lot ofthe knife going on that, like
(40:58):
you kind of talked aboutsoundbar and 3d audio. I've
actually thought about getting agood soundbar but you see on my
TV in the lounge, like, yeah, ithas to be turned because of
where my desk is at. Yeah. Andlike if you have a soundbar like
it would be streaming the wallversus versus the TV. It's
turned in. So I don't think thesound project the way I wanted
it to. And then if I put it onmy desk, I think it would be too
(41:21):
low where the TV was hired. Andso, you know, I'm just kind of
position right now where, youknow, yeah, do you use my
headphones a lot? I do. I wouldlike a sound system, especially,
you know, while working fromhome, I have a couple of hours
after work or I can do whateverI want to. Yeah, yeah, it would
be cool to play like, you know,a video game on a great sound
system, but you know, kind ofget away from that I won't get
(41:43):
to the headphones. Here'ssomething I gotta tell you all,
I'd recommend the read like hedid $100 on headphones. Get out
here.
Red (41:50):
I said a couple hundred. A couple.
Hick (41:53):
Hundred $350 is what you should be spending but I'm gonna
talk about that price point,you're
Red (41:57):
two thirds of the way to a fucking PlayStation five.
Hick (42:00):
Nobody sounds good.
Dammit. All right, let me get toit. But um, anyways, like a
little while ago, I bought somebeats over the ear headphones.
They had some hard not hardware,they fell apart. Let's just put
that way. The sound was good,but they fell apart. But here's
the thing about it. After thathappened, I went out and I
bought another $350 pair ofheadphones. Because when you
spend that much money onheadphones, you can't tell the
(42:23):
difference is one of thosethings that once you buy one of
them, like you don't go backlike you want them and so this
guy like what I talked about,um, you know, I do recommend if
you're going to play withheadphones, I don't understand.
I understand that everybody doesnot have the money to spend big
dollars on headphones. I'mtelling you that if you can make
it work, it is freakin worth. Itmakes like I have Bose
(42:45):
quietcomfort 35 that's the onesthat I don't know. I need to
repeat that. But there'sactually because there's new
ones out that's why I gotconfused. But I have those and
they sound amazing now Yeah, Igot connected wire and
everything to the controllerbecause you know, there's no
Bluetooth in the the oldermodels. I don't know about the
newer systems,
Red (43:03):
but I mess around with to see if there's a way to do it
Hick (43:06):
now. Yeah, but it just makes it sound so much better.
And then one cool thing actuallyabout me is when I'm I can also
if I don't want to go wired, myair pods connect to my TV. Now
you do have to have a newer TVthat has bluetooth that can't
connect to headphones. But um,you know, that's also very cool
to do. But if you I guess onerecommended people here is if
(43:27):
you can't have a good soundsystem, I would say go
headphones and spend a goodamount of money on headphones,
because I guess it's kind oflike you know, earlier like, the
point about gaming nowadays isgain loss in the games, right?
And those headphones will helpyou get lost in a game. So I'm
read I had a point that I wantto throw to you right? I can't
(43:47):
remember. Exactly. Oh, you wantto talk about before we end real
quick. Do you want to kind ofget into gaming headphones and
like, you know, are thosebetter? Are they not better? Do
we know?
Red (43:56):
Well, again, like I said, I've never splurged for good
headphones or gaming specificheadphones. So I don't have a
clue. It's never an area I'vedone research. I think if you
know if I was in a situationlike you where you had the wife
and kids and the OC sometimesneed to be quiet, or, or people
who are traveling and doing workand blaring music
Hick (44:15):
now is with headphones, right?
Red (44:17):
Or people who were like gaming on the go and like is
streaming like streaming videogames becomes more and more
prominent and people areactually just gaming literally
on their cell phone on theirtablet, whatever and still
playing these those guys have aheadset you have good headphones
with the head. Yep. Becauseyou're gonna get good quality
audio out of a fucking cellphone or a tablet. I mean, so I
think that headphones willbecome more popular, especially
(44:40):
in places where people aregaming on the go a lot, you
know, your bigger cities or yourcountries that have better you
know, public transportation,better train systems, all that
stuff. I can see that reallybecoming more popular along with
virtual reality. Yeah, your VRheadphones are tailor made for
that because it really doestotally immerse you. You've got
your full vision and Audio areall totally contained, like they
(45:02):
are made for headphones. Solike, I do think that headphones
will continue to become more andmore popular, especially as the
hopefully kind of the technologykeeps getting better. And yeah,
price those headphones comesdown a little bit like most
electronics do over time, youknow, but as for specific games,
I've traveled so far off youroriginal question, but as far as
specific gaming headphones, I'vejust never really looked into
(45:24):
it. So I don't know if there'ssomething better out there.
Hick (45:27):
But I don't know if it's conversation that everybody
wants to hear from us, but I wasreally excited about it. I enjoy
talking about it. I think soundreally matters. But anyways,
it's that time sadly is time towrap up this podcast. All these
links will know we had a blasttoday, man. I was even in the
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It's crazy how you get rightinto it. Anyways, all these
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talk about some of the otherstuff we got going on.
Red (46:12):
Yep, we were on YouTube at tg PC gaming Busted Buttons and
two guys playing Zelda onYouTube. We don't have a Busted
Hick (46:19):
Buttons YouTube channel.
Oh crap I
Red (46:21):
thought we didn't talk about gaming you're right sorry.
Um and then we're also ondiscord great server great
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like you said coming in. Iwasn't too jacked up but as soon
(46:41):
as we got going, the juices gotflowing the boom got flowing
ethic. We had a really good one.
So thanks, everyone forlistening. Keep on gaming and
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