Magic of Nintendo - Busted Buttons Ep. 34 - Busted Buttons

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Hick (00:17):
Welcome gamers to Episode 34 of the Busted Buttons video
game podcast. And thank God,we're not going to talk about a
game all so long to take alittle break. Like we love
talking about games, but theyjust take so much time to
prepare for the podcast. So thisepisode, we're talking the
gaming industry, we're going totalk console wars, trophies,

(00:39):
achievements, the magic ofNintendo, that's going to be a
phone one that will be thoseplayers that just play one game,
I understand it, but I don'tunderstand it. We're going to
get into it. And then one of thetopics that actually happened to
me is when he quit gaming for alittle while, because Time flies
by too quickly, like you play agame. Next thing you knew, it's
like, no, it's five hours later.
And so that made me quit gamingfor a while. So we'll go into

(01:01):
that. And if we had time, I'mpretty sure register this at the
bottom because it was kind ofrandom. We're gonna talk about
what games we're playing rightnow if we have time But anyways,
read I want kick it to you.
console wars just cut. This isreally relevant, obviously
nowadays, right now. Yep, withthe console is coming out soon.
But just kind of talk about yourwhole opinion on console wars.

(01:24):
Well, first,

Red (01:25):
I kind of threw that kind of what we're playing now at the
end of the outline, we have beenspending so much time talking
about either the console newsthat's been coming out, or we've
been talking about specificgames, that sometimes it kind of
is fun, just pull back and belike, what are you playing right
now? What are you enjoying aboutit? What's annoying you about
it? So things like that? I likekind of adding that in there
when we have more of a generalpodcast and when we're focused

(01:45):
on specific games. Anyway, we'llwe'll see if we have time for
them. But console wars, like yousaid, very relevant topic right
now with two new consoles comingout in just what two weeks, two
and a half weeks. It is rightaround the corner. I still

Hick (01:57):
get asked for work for that one, man. I'm not SLP and I
need to

Red (02:01):
hell when you're teleworking. Do you really need
to? I mean, yes, yes. Because

Hick (02:05):
I got way live for You know, maybe hours to get take
off a little bit of time, thatmight randomly come in the
afternoon if I come in and startworking in the afternoon, you
know, did not turn out well forme.

Red (02:16):
So But anyway, as with every time a console, Jenner and
new console generation comesaround, the idea of these
console wars comes out, youknow, fanboys and like industry
people all pick their sides. Andeveryone's trying to say, Oh,
this one's gonna be better. Thisone's going to be better than
this one's going to sell more.
This one's going to sell more.
It didn't do the day. I think itis all fucking stupid. Like I am

(02:39):
a video game fan. I love playingvideo games. I do not care if
the PlayStation five sells morethan the Xbox series x or series
s or if the switch ends upoutselling all of them
throughout the span of its life.
Who if you're a video game fan,and you're not like an investor
who cares Yeah, if there's aquote unquote winner or loser in
the console wars like to me, Ifucking love all video games

(03:03):
except shitty video.

Hick (03:06):
Yeah, definitely, definitely seen

Red (03:08):
people like pick sides and just latch on to it and just use
that in bash the other siderepeatedly, is those are just
the worst kind of gamers likefanboys are the worst kind of
gamers in my opinion. And in tome, what and this is, I know
something kind of triggered itfor you was little idea that if
you latch on to only one of thesystems, you're artificially

(03:30):
locking yourself out fromplaying amazing exclusives and
great games on the other system.
So for me, I don't want to seeany of these video games fail. I
honestly don't think anyone'slosing the console wars as long
as they make money for theircompanies. But that's a
different thing. Yeah, so forme, I think this whole idea of
console wars is stupid. It'sartificially made up to get
clicks on fucking gamingwebsites, and it's so fanboys

(03:52):
can have something to cheer for.
So I got a little more worked upthan I thought.
I'm not gonna lie. Butwhat about you? What are your
thoughts on just console wars ingeneral?

Hick (04:03):
Man, these fanboys they really go hard to I mean, they
are dedicated. But to me, like,I think it's Bs, I can't agree
with you. But at the same time,I do understand that a little
bit. People want to be part ofthe group, like they're always
gonna have loyalties. Like youhave people who are loyal to
Chevy, like, you know, in Fordis the same thing. With gaming.
There's a lot of people thatwant to be part of that group.

(04:24):
And I do think it's dumb becauseyou do miss out on a lot of
games. Now, there is one thing Iunderstand, like we said before,
we're kind of situation wherewe're lucky financially, right
to be able to buy both systems.
We understand that not everybodycan do that. And you can't do
have to choose, but choose whichone you think is better, and has
better games. Don't justautomatically say, Hey, I'm

(04:45):
gonna buy Xbox. Hey, I'm gonnabuy PlayStation now. I know a
lot of you are listening rightnow and just like Screw you,
man. I am loyal. I'm going toget the system I want. But I
think when it comes like yousaid, You miss out on games. If
you're just like Hey, I'm goingto buy this system no matter
what. And like to me likethere's each system has, you
know, great games, I would sayPlayStation with its exclusives,

(05:06):
Nintendo. Nintendo reallydoesn't fit in here because Xbox
and PlayStation Nintendo hastheir little gimmicks, some, you
know, generations it works theway the switch and then some
generations it doesn't work outso well like the Wii U in the
GameCube. But, you know, I don'tknow I do think is stupid. Um,
you know, yeah, these companies,they're going to make money most

(05:27):
likely no matter what. So yeah,who wins? I guess. Yeah, there's
some bragging rights, and stufflike that. But we both feel the
same way. Like, the point ofbeing a gamer is to like
experience all these greatgames, no matter what platform
they're on PlayStation, Xbox,Nintendo PC. The awesome thing
about being a gamer is that wecan experience all these

(05:47):
different gamers. And when yousit there and you stay committed
to one system you miss out on somuch great gaming is some is
fanboy stuff. A fan girl stuffis so dumb, like you go out
like, blah, blah, blah, youknow, those other systems have
great gains, because they'reselling well, they're reviewing
Well, they're up for nomination.

(06:08):
So you can't sit there and say,Oh, this system sucks. And does
this, this and this. No, theyall have great games, and you
know it. So I understand it. Idisagree with it. I think it's
stupid. I think if you have themoney, you should buy all the
systems. Like I said, Now youdon't have to buy them all at
one time. Buy over the over thecourse of a generation, you're
gonna take like, you know, acouple years in here and there.

(06:30):
But yeah, I agree. I justwhatever really,

Red (06:33):
in my my thing is, it's perfectly fine to have a
preference. Like I prefer Xbox,I have no problem saying that I
like game pass. I like thecontroller, I kind of like the
UI better on like, when you bootit up. So that's just my
personal preference. But I stillplay PlayStation games. I still
play Nintendo games. And they'reamazing. I mean, yeah, like,
there is some that little partof me, that still is like, I'd

(06:56):
like to see Xbox do a littlebetter. So you know, whatever.
But it's like, it is itliterally doesn't matter. At the
end of the day. And youmentioned this to like the
companies. I don't think thatcompanies necessarily care about
winning the console wars.
Because I mean, like, yes, it isbragging rights, you mentioned
that it is a good marketingpoint you can sell to your
investors and advertisers andall that crap, I get that. But
like, at the end of the day, ifyour gaming division is making

(07:18):
you money, who fucking cares ifthe other one sold more than you
like, as long as you're notgoing under because of it, which
I don't see Sony, or Nintendo

Hick (07:28):
cares, my shareholders is Who cares?

Red (07:31):
Right? The shareholders do care because they want to see
like, oh, profits are up,profits are up that makes our
stock go up. I get all that. Butat the same time, I'm not sure
if they necessarily care that ithappened to outsell the
competitor. You know, this isn'tone of those industries where at
least where we're at right now,the gaming industry is not at a
point where the success of like,let's say PlayStation would sync

(07:53):
the Xbox, or the success of theXbox would sync the PlayStation
like both of these in theNintendo I keep forgetting into
No, because we have the two newsystems coming up are Sony and
Microsoft, but like we're not ina position where one succeeding
is cannibalizing the other tothe point it's going to fail.
Like so in. So in my opinion,like if it was at that point
where it was life or death thatyou win this competition, then I

(08:17):
get the company's carrying a lotmore. Same with like maybe the
video game developers, the fans,things like that. But we're not
in a situation where it's lifeor death for these companies,
Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo arenot going anywhere, anytime
soon. Even if one generationdoesn't do well, I mean,
Nintendo has bounced back fromthe game debacle, Nintendo has

Hick (08:34):
made a lot of money back in the NES. And as soon as they
have a little bit of money tochurn through they want to like
you know, the way you which I'mgoing to actually come to like
you know, we can I kind of hiton earlier and you kind of hit
on this too, is that gaming isabout the experience and when it
comes to we you like this iswhat people talk about like I
remember one time I really gotinto it with this guy, because I

(08:56):
was like oh the way you failedwhich 99% of people would agree
with because I was talking aboutwhat I was talking financially
how financially well did do inhow many years itself and this
douchebag is like really joinedthe system me so wasn't a
failure for me. That's what thefuck I'm talking about, man. But
anyways, I get about thatconversation every once in a
while but you're talking aboutthe we you people just like say

(09:19):
it was a great experience. Soyou talked about winning doesn't
matter, blah, blah, blah. No, asa game doesn't it should not
matter. For the gamers. Whatmatters is the experience if you
love the Wii U because you had agreat experience. It doesn't
matter if it failed. Bad I gotmy money's worth. I got money's
worth on the weekend. I did getmy money's worth that's this

(09:41):
should be the most importantthing is that you got your
money's worth. Who cares? Whowins just go for the experience
and everything. So you'll comedown and you're not gonna calm
down. I know that but this isour little rant at all this
fanboy console wars does know.
There's great games on everysystem. We all know No, and not
all of us will admit it. Butwe're just there for the

(10:02):
experience. And the experiencecomes from gaming across all
systems. So if you send there ifyou're committed to one system,
you are missing out on somegreat games, especially if
you're an Xbox gamer, becausethere are some great PlayStation
games. Now, if you're aPlayStation gamer, and you don't
buy an Xbox, you know, maybe,you know fours in Halo, Gears of
War, I guess, is another greatone. But you know, that's really

(10:23):
all you're missing. But you'restill wait, wait till you can
get Fallout or Elder Scrolls onthe place, you know, hey, there
you go. It's about time thatXbox does something it gives
some exclusives, you know, butright that right? We talked
about that. We'll see if thatactually happens. I don't know.
But anyways, regardless whatconstant people saw with in the
console wars, one extremepopular popular feature of the
last few generations. Except forNintendo, Nintendo does not have

(10:44):
this. So we'll get into thatdurrow fees, or achievements in
games, I want to kind of kick itto you right here. Is this
something that you care about ingaming,

Red (10:55):
it's kind of weird. I'm on the fence on this because on the
one hand, it is satisfying whenyou get that little pop up,
either on the Xbox orPlaystation, saying, Oh, you've
earned an achievement, Oh,you've earned a trophy, like,
especially if it wasn'tsomething you were actively
going for. And it's kind of justmore of a pleasant surprise. And
part of that is just thatgambling feedback, you got some
kind of reward, even if it's nota reward in terms of money, or

(11:18):
anything tangible that the game,it's like, it's reaching out and
patting you on the back when youget one of those little
trophies, or achievements ingame. So from that standpoint,
like I like that they are there,and I kind of wished Nintendo
had them. And well, like I said,we'll talk about that in a
minute. But my big hang up onit, though, is I am not the kind
of person who goes for 100%achievements or trophies on

(11:41):
these games. Like I don't use mymy gamer score on Xbox or my or
my level, whatever it's called,you know, trophy level on

Hick (11:50):
might have something on their profile, like I see on
Twitter, where it's like level36 I'm like, What the hell are
they talking about? Is that withthe PlayStation thing is Yeah,
so the PlayStation on

Red (11:59):
your on your profile has little number next to your name.
And that's just it's based onit's got a little progress bar
like as you get trophies, youbasically level up it's like
you're playing a role playinggame like as you get trophies
you level up, does

Hick (12:11):
it go on and negative? I don't think it goes through our
minds after does.

Red (12:16):
So So for me, it's like, I like that little feedback reward
mechanism. It's the same thingcasinos do when you win that one
time out of 100 roulette spins.
But yeah, but so but for me, I'mnot a kind of person who
necessarily goes out of my wayto get trophies unless I'm going
through the list and I see thatI'm really close on something,
then. You know, then I might goafter it. But I've only and I
promise I'll let you talk butI've only like platinum, you

(12:39):
know, as it is on PlayStation onone game. Like as long as I've
had and I don't think I've evergot 100% gamer score on any game
on the Xbox side. So from acompletionist standpoint, I
don't give a shit.

Hick (12:51):
So what's what's Platinum is Platinum give them all the
trophies?

Red (12:55):
Yeah, platnumz get all trophies in a game. And so for
me, it's nice, but

Hick (12:59):
does that many 100% the game though

Red (13:02):
is not necessarily because usually there's some stuff you
can still do but a lot of timesit is tied to you know, you know
complete all side questscomplete all around quest, you
know, like the game I 100% itwas Horizon Zero Dawn. And so it
was like, you know, it's an openworld game. So you get some
collectibles out there. So youknow, you collect the various
things you can collect, but thenit's also like recruit all

(13:23):
allies for the final fight. So Iwould kind of consider that 100%
in that game. I mean, it's a biggame and there's a lot to do so.
But now that I've babbled onabout this, but

Hick (13:33):
I like them from a reward standpoint I don't care about
100% in or platinum in a gameWhat are your thoughts on the
trophies and achievements firstof all I'm surprised that you
did for Horizon Zero Dawnbecause I got sick and tired of
fighting a machine at the end ofevery single cyclist like I was
like you know I hit a pointwhere I was like I'm done and
then there's no Did you completeall frozen Wilds

Red (13:56):
I did not complete frozen while So the basic is dead.

Hick (13:59):
That was like if you complete it that you're a lot
better gamer than I thought youwere But anyways, um you know
what I want to say here to saythat I really don't care about
this. I had no clue what mylevel is. Or my gamer score on
Xbox. Xbox is something that Iam going to go check out after
we get done Roy's podcast butyou know what sit here like I
was talking about and say thatdon't care about these things.

(14:22):
But did I was playing SuperMario Galaxy recently just
finished it up the other day.
fantastic game if you're notplay Super Mario Galaxy, if you
have a switch, go get SuperMario 3d all stars. I don't know
why I'm plugging attend. Becauseit's great. It's a great game.
That's why I'm doing it.

Red (14:36):
Hey, we're gonna talk about magic Nintendo games here in a
minute.

Hick (14:39):
Okay, I'll dive into it farther that time, but you know,
go anyways, Super Mario Galaxygreat game, but as I'm playing
it, as I'm doing all thesethings because I got all 120
stars in the game. I was like,You know what, it would be nice
to get a trophy or achievement.
I rather have a trophy thanachievement. What what the fucks
in achievement, you know, Idon't want to try to achieve
shit like I want to trophies.

(15:02):
That's exactly. To say, hey,look at this, I accomplished
something. You can't do thatwith an achievement. It's not
tangible. I need somethingtangible. Now, technically,
these things are just likelittle icons on it video games,

Red (15:15):
tangible anyway. I don't think Sony's mailing you a
trophy. And

Hick (15:20):
so really, they will have to be either both tangible or
intangible, however you want tolook at. But you all get what I
mean. But right, you know, I dolike this and I get nowhere
close to get all the trophies inthe game. But I do go back to
you on PlayStation. I will goback to you and kind of see
like, you know, how manytrophies did you get in a game
and kind of just comparing ourprogress? That's a good point.

(15:43):
Yeah. So think it's good forthat comparing like, you know,
now, it shouldn't becompetition. I know a lot of you
all are doing this forcompetition. I just like to go
back and kind of look at Red andsay, Okay, here's what you know
he did in the game. And here'swhat I did in the game. Yeah. I
think they are cool. It doesgive you a sense of
accomplishment. I like a weekago, I would say, Hey, I don't

(16:03):
really care about this. Benjaminplay more Nintendo. I'm kind of
like, it would be nice to havethis. So I think anything that
gives you a sense ofaccomplishment throughout a
game, other than what you'redoing in that game, like that's
an accomplishment for thesystem. So I think he's kind of
just yeah, as an Xbox gamer, oras a PlayStation gamer. You're
raising your profile. Yeah, Ithink that's really cool. And so

(16:26):
now I do like it.

Red (16:28):
And I think he really brought up a great point with
you don't realize how much youlike it until you're playing a
game that doesn't have it. Likeyou said, the Nintendo games, I
had the exact same experienceplaying through Mario 64.
Recently, also on the, you know,3d All Stars, and we'll talk
about that later. Right. I know.
You're absolutely right. They'relike Nintendo not having them
was such it. I don't want to saymakes the experience feel more

(16:52):
hollow or more. But it makes meless likely to try to get like
you said 120 stars like so I got205. So all the stars without
getting 100 coins is what I gotto in Mario 64. And I was like,
yeah, you know, I can try to goand get all hundred and 20. I'm
like, but what's the point, Idon't get achievement or trophy
for it. And that's a dumbmentality. Like, if you love a

(17:14):
game and you're enjoying playingit, you would think you do it
just for the sense of playingthe game a little bit longer.
like Mario Odyssey, I did the880 moons and I share a shit and
given that for that, but but soI do hope Nintendo incorporates
it in some way, shape, or format some point, and I know we've
bashed their online offeringsand things like that over over

(17:36):
four years now because it's sofar behind where Microsoft and
Sony are. But it just to me,it's like, you're absolutely
right. It's like you don't thinkabout it until they're not
there. And remember, like Yoshiis one of the Yoshis will they
were crafted around Yoshiscrafted world was the first game
I was really playing. And youknow, there's so many you had to

(17:57):
redo the levels so many times toget the flowers and all that and
I'm like, I'm just gettingenough to beat this fucking
game.

Hick (18:04):
Like Yeah, I didn't even get that far. I just said I'm
doing it doing this shit.

Red (18:08):
I at least beat the game.
But I was like, there was noincentive to good get all those
flowers. I did just the bareminimum to beat the game
basically. And like then I wasthinking about what Donkey Kong
Country Tropical Freeze whereyou're like, That game is so
fun. I wanted to play all thelevels anyway. So I sought out
trying to like all the secretexits, so I could play all the
all the levels because thatgames gameplay is is

(18:29):
unbelievable to me. But then Iwas like, I'm not trying to get
Kong on every single world. I'mnot trying to get all the puzzle
pieces on every single level.
Like it's just it was one ofthose things I'm like, Yeah, I
want to see all the levels. Idon't need to get everything on
every level. So it absolutely isone of those things. I
appreciate them being in games.
I hope Nintendo gets them nextgeneration. But you know, we

(18:51):
kind of talked about Nintendolacking in these trophies and
achievements, but they theirgames do have a certain kind of
magic to them. That keeps uscoming back to them over and
over and this is an interestingpoint you brought up you've been
playing ghosts of Tsushimalately and so I and you you've
said before I think on thispodcast that you consider it

(19:13):
it's moving up your rankings youget a nine out of 10 typos
saying

Hick (19:20):
I'm around at 9.5 but I don't get like every game a
point five, so don't get 9.4 or9.6. I haven't decided yet but
go ahead. But yeah, but but

Red (19:30):
but even while you were playing this amazing game that
you're loving, you were stilldrawn to go back and play. Mario
Galaxy. Oh, sunshine. I thinkyou played first actually. So
Nintendo charm. What is it aboutNintendo games that makes you
want to keep going back to iteven when you're playing
potentially another game? That'sabsolutely amazing.

Hick (19:51):
Here we are. I wanted to get to this and the last topic
if you will, you start talkingabout those coins. And in Super
Mario Galaxy like there's 15worlds galaxies, I guess is what
you would call them. Yeah, Ihave 100 pure purple coins that
you know you get star from. Andusually days something that I do
not do, I'm like, I'm not gonnawaste my time going around get

(20:11):
100 coins. Now, the purple coinsare different than the gold
coins because they're kind ofmore compact, you know. And like
a lot of times there's a timer,or some kind of other task that
you had to do but was goingthrough. Like, the only reason
that I did this is because I didnot want the game to be over.
The other time that I'veexperienced that is with the

(20:32):
Witcher three. Now here's thething, like I'm playing ghostess
Shima. And I'm sitting hereplaying Super Mario Galaxy
alongside it. And I'm doing sometasks that I usually don't do,
because I don't want the gamethe end as a second fucking time
that I've played this game. Thatright there is the magic of
Nintendo. That's what Nintendodoes. And you can't really like

(20:54):
you know, gaming always put yourhand around what the magic
actually is. But I justdescribed an example is that
they took me away from a greatgame. And I sit there and play
the game all the way through,you know, almost 100%. And now
you can go through is here is aspoiler. If you're not play
Super Mario Galaxy, if you get120 stars, then you get Luigi,

(21:16):
and then you can get all 120stars again. And then there's
one final star ain't doing thatshit, I ain't got time to play
that game kill. Yeah, that's alittle bit overkill. But um, you
know, just the fact that it tookme away from a game, you know,
I'm saying right now goes toTsushima I'm gonna give it a
9.4. That's my final ranking.
Because a 9.6 is really, reallyhigh. I mean, you gotta be a

(21:36):
really great game. So anyway,goes to shaimaa file ranking 9.4
from hig but to get me away froma game as a 9.4. And one of the
best games that I've played it along time to play game. They're
very played. I mean, that's themagic of Nintendo. And they
just, they have the elements arestyles definite graphics, I can
write well, here's the thing,I'll kick this talking for a

(21:59):
while, but let's just kind oftalk about the art style. The
graphics is not as good as otherconsole games, but it does still
I think look as good.

Red (22:10):
They really do and that's we've talked about that Nintendo
artstyle in prior episodes, it'sjust one of those things. They
don't go for photo realism likethey're not going for you be
able to see every pore on Mariospace and every like drop of
rain on a leaf like so. But theyjust make it like to where it's
so beautiful. Anyway, whetherit's a Mario game, Zelda game,

(22:34):
even like a Kirby game or Yoshiis crafted world like anything
like that. They find a way tomake it look very beautiful
without being photorealistic. Soit's definitely not graphics,
but that art style. Yeah, I'm ahuge fan of Nintendo's like in
house. art style. And you know,to me, I think one of the
biggest factors that brings upthat that magic and imagine

Hick (22:55):
they put their engine out there, I'll do like develop
games with

Red (22:59):
me. I just there would be Oh, yeah, that'd be there'd be a
lot more out there. But like,for me, what kept me going back
to a game like Mario Odyssey isthe gameplay. Same with Brett
wild, like Nintendo games goingback to the original Mario
Brothers on NAS have alwayscontrolled so well, compared to

(23:20):
some of the other systems wheremaybe it's a little less
precise, it's a little morefloaty, and I get when like
Nintendo's bread and butter fora long time is like these
platforming games that werepretty challenging. You had to
have precise controls. So thatgameplay of Nintendo games where
it's like you know if you screwup it's your own fault. The game
didn't fuck you over you screwedup because the characters

(23:41):
control so well in Nintendogames. And that has existed
since like I said, sincegeneration one with the NES.
Yeah, so for me I think a lot ofthat magic is the games are just
they feel right to play your guydoes. There's they're so smooth.
The guy does what you're thecharacter whether you Sorry,
guy, girl, whatever does whatyou want it to do, like so for

(24:04):
me, so much of that magic justcomes from, from the gameplay
because it is all and thatshould be the at the end of the
day. That should be the mostimportant thing in games, you
know, story graphics, all thatstuff does play in challenge.
But you know, gameplay. How doesthe game? Is it fun to pick up
and play? and Nintendo firstparty games have always nailed
that. But I do wonder if alittle bit of that Nintendo

(24:27):
magic is just because they werethe one of the first to do so
much of this stuff. Do you thinkthat that nostalgia factor maybe
plays a little bit into why welook at Nintendo games, even
current ones, we still look atthem a little more fondly, maybe
than we do a Sony or Microsoftor going back further, you know,

(24:47):
Sega or any of those otherconsoles. It's like, do you
think nostalgia plays a littlebit into it even when it comes
to newer games, just because wehave fond memories of Nintendo.

Hick (24:58):
I think maybe the characters do that. You know, a
very long time but like I'msitting here I'm playing Super
Mario Galaxy and I cannot quit.
I don't think it has anything todo with astrology. I think it
has to do with it being anincredibly fun game to play.
Some of that is the art style.
Some of that is the smoothnessof the gameplay, but I think
it's kind of you know, how theirgames are organized. Like, you

(25:19):
know, Mario is a great 3dplatformer, and I love
platformers you know, I wouldlove 2d, but as I said, They're
too fucking hard to playnowadays, developers I bitched
at you already on numerousepisodes, make your 2d
platforming games a little biteasier. So they beat the game,
so I can play it. Forget beingthe game read. I just won't get

(25:39):
past like the first couplelevels, man, but like anyway, so
3d platformers they are usuallyeasier these days. And a lot of
them are fun, you know? Spyro Ijust got new super Lucky's tale.
I've not played it yet. Um,there's probably couple more out
there that I'm missing. But um,there's still not as fun as
Mario games. And like I said,Some of that is like nostalgia

(26:00):
with the character. But as faras gameplay in our style, I
don't think it has anything todo with that. If you hadn't
asked me what it comes down toissues fun. Their games are fun.
I think they are made betterthan any other game. Okay, I
can't really say that. But theyare very well. And like their
first part, we're definitely nottalking about third party games

(26:21):
here. But right first partygames, they just have dead
charm, like in the world whereyou like a lot of people, even
for linear games will actuallylinear games had to have a
better story than World Games,but they need to push them
along. Yeah, no matter what typeof game you're playing. People
still want a great story. Itdoesn't have to be long. But
it's got to be great. Mortalstories have sucked for 2030

(26:45):
years, but it's still like theystill do the job because they
are so fun to play. And justthey are I mean, I don't know.
Like, I sit there I think aboutit. And like I do love
PlayStation. I do love Xbox. Andyeah, I've been in Nintendo
gamers since the NES, right?
Like when they release a firstparty game not all them like you
know Pokemon I'm not really abig fan of animal crossing our

(27:05):
tribe but didn't really likeYoshi. I've tried a couple Yoshi
games they really haven'tclicked with me but you know
your Zelda your Mario, yourDonkey Kong? I don't know what
it is, man, I guess the funaspect. But when I start playing
those games, I drop everything Ido. And I just play those games
like right kind of go back tothe first part, the experience
in them being fun, but that'skind of what do you want to kind

(27:28):
of say anything else on that?
Yeah,

Red (27:31):
I was just saying I completely agree. Because when
Mario 3d AllStars came out, Iwas playing The Last of Us part
two, which as we discussed inour last episode, is a very,
very, very good game, eventhough

Hick (27:41):
we may be bashing a little berries on there. Yeah, he gave
it three, maybe give it to.

Red (27:46):
This is just short of being great. I will say that a very
good game, just shy being great.
But as soon as Mario 64 AllStars came out, I'm like, Well,
I'm playing Super Mario 64. Idon't care what's going on with
Ellie. Or, or Abby, I don't givea shit. I'm playing. I'm playing
Mario 64. Yeah, man, I dowonder. Because

Hick (28:05):
even that might be nostalgia right there. That one

Red (28:07):
was probably a little bit of nostalgia. But you know, then
I look at you look at some ofthe awesome PlayStation and Xbox
games that we've played oversince you know, since we kind of
got more did more serious gamingthe last couple generations. And
I do wonder, do you see any ofthe PlayStation or Xbox games
that we've played, that youthink will have that same

(28:29):
feeling that maybe five yearsdown the line? We'll be like,
Oh, I need to go back and replaythat that was so good, or is it
really limited just to Nintendofor us?

Hick (28:38):
No, I really don't think that because here's the thing,
like going back to it. It's themagic of Nintendo, because
here's the thing, right, you'regoing back, you're playing
Nintendo 64 games, you just playSuper Mario 64. And then we
still go back, we played linksin the past, maybe Super Mario
World. And then we also don't goback and play like NES games.
But you know, I do play themhere and there, you're not going

(29:00):
back in playing any PlayStationtwo games, when you're playing
the Magic Sheet collection. Whenyou hit that Select button to go
back to the old graphics, Iguarantee that you don't use it,
leave it on there for very long,you know, you check that out for
about five seconds, and theyturn it back. And this kind of
goes back to that art style.
Like their game, the 10 thosegames have grown very well.
You're still able to go back andplay them read just like you

(29:24):
know, Playstation two games, oryou know, even PlayStation and
Xbox. Those games just lookterrible. Unless they're remade
with HD like it basically it hasto be a remake so right they
don't have that same kind ofmagic in No, we're not going to
see it in the future. Unlessthey remake their games like

(29:46):
they can't do what Nintendodoes. The tendo just dropped
three Mario games to have themlook like crap on the Nintendo
Switch. Now Super Mario Galaxy,I will admit did look very very
good. But that's a huge That's aweird game that you know they
probably were able to update thegraphics make it look very well
but they just basically droppedSuper Mario 64 in Super Mario
Sunshine. That's it.

Red (30:09):
Yeah, those were copy and paste jobs. Yeah,

Hick (30:12):
the graphics, they were a little bit better but for the
most part they looked exactlythe same, but they were still
fun. PlayStation Xbox gallerymake your games you gotta have
them in HD and the guy thatcontrols like whatever was wrong
in the first couple of ones likeyou know you gotta fix that
because here's one other greatthing that Nintendo's that kind
of going along with the gameplaytheir controls are saw we talked

(30:36):
about how smooth the games arelike x, Xbox and PlayStation
while they are very good. No onehas ever been as smooth as
Nintendo has in Super MarioOdyssey is a fantastic apex. Yes
for a while. 64 like date likethey took a game. Nobody was
really doing 3d back in the day.
Yeah, there's a couple 3d gameshere, couple there. But they

(30:58):
took it in they did a fantasticjob with it. They've almost
always nailed their controls.
They've had like no hiccup here.
And there. They had some in theVGA luigis mentioned three that
really didn't care for but otherthan that, they usually know but
anyway to kind of go to you. Idon't think it's going to happen
with the newer systems. Whatabout you?

Red (31:19):
I'm with you. I mean, the only game I can think of from
either Sony or Microsoft thatI've gone back and replayed is
Halo. And that is like I have alot of nostalgia from in that
that one is but it was remade,you know, but it was it was
remade, but that was one that Ilike got me through. Like my you
know, last year of high schoolfirst couple years of college
like was so much fun. And likeit does control very well like

(31:42):
the Halo series controls. Alsoamazingly well. Kind of like we
talked about Mario games,controlling well, like the Halo
series always has had amazingcontrols too. But other than
that, I cannot think of a singleXbox or Playstation game from
any generation that I've goneback and replayed at all, like
the last of us where it was anamazing game. The Uncharted

(32:03):
games were amazing games. Youknow, Halo has been a halo is
the only one of all the amazinggames that I've gone back and
replayed. So I'm with you. I dothink Mario is the one series
that will or the one system thatwill continue to have that charm
because like you said, I'llstill go back and replay
aquamarina time Mario RPG linkedto the past, you know, and it's

(32:25):
not just nostalgia. They agedamazingly well.

Hick (32:29):
You said Mario system I think he might attend Oh, but
anyway. You know, he was talkingabout Nintendo games like you
know, you kind of want go back,you want to replay them. They're
awesome. They had that beautifulmagic behind them. But some
gamers man, they spend yearsplaying the same game and not
thinking about friend the otherday. Like we have a friend, we
probably have more than playjust one game. But we have a

(32:50):
friend that plays FIFA non stopand I was kind of sitting there
thinking what? Okay, first ofall, I will pose this question
to you. Do you actually considerthose people gamers into like,
they are missing out on so manygreat experience, like so many
other games? They could beplaying, but I can't just go
kick it to you right here.
What's your whole opinion onpeople? Like I not you know, I'm

(33:13):
not gonna call them gamers, Idon't mean to be mean or
anything. I'm kind of like, Idon't really know if those are
gamers, but what is your opinionon people that just play one
game? Like for years?

Red (33:24):
Well, the funny thing is, like I do so consider them
gamers. I mean, they're paying Ido too, I guess and but it is
funny because the people whotake that to like a professional
level, who play like thesecompetitive games, and actually
make a living off of it. Youknow, most people would say
they're the most hardcore gamersof all because they've taken the
time to like, literally masterthe ins and outs of a particular

(33:47):
game and play it to the pointthey can not necessarily make a
living but the theirprofessional eSports leagues out
there. I mean, it's insanity. Soare not saying it was great for
that.

Hick (33:58):
scandal after scandal, right? That stuff

Red (34:00):
too. But so to me, yes, I do consider them gamers. For me,
though, like, I get if you are aYou're a very good, you're a
great gamer, and you want toturn that into a living. You
only have

Hick (34:15):
too many people try to do that. It's kind of like, you
know, the professionals, only asmall percentage gets there. And
right, everybody wants to dothat they guess, issues with it,
but go ahead.

Red (34:25):
Well, I think that's kind of and that's an interesting
point. I think that's kind ofwhy like streaming and content
creation has gotten as big as ithas, because gaming is insanely
popular. And there are peoplewho are very good at games but
not good enough to break intothat what you would call the
professional realm in terms oflike competitive you know,

(34:45):
League of Legends Counter StrikeOverwatch, you know, those
professional leagues, butthey're still good gamers, or
they're entertaining gamers, andthey can make money off
streaming or content creationthat and that's, you know,
that's kind of a different topicthan just focusing on the one
game But I'm glad you broughtthat up. Because you're like,
you're right. Only a few peoplecan go pro. It's like all the
commercials only point whateverpercent Yeah, of college

(35:07):
athletes Go Pro, you know. Soit's the same way. And I think
that's given a huge rise tostreaming and content creation.
But that's a whole different

Hick (35:13):
topic. But what about the people that do that only play
one game, but they don't careabout the streaming or being on
YouTube or being in acompetitive league? Like they
just like, I mean, obviously, ifthey if you love doing it, do
it, like, you know, and I willgive salespeople gamers, I know,
it's kind of bashing orwhatever. But if you love doing
something, do do, we're notgoing to say and say, don't do
something you love. But like,what about the people that just

(35:34):
do it to do it? I mean, I'm sureyou don't have any bad opinions.
But that's not the way that Iwant to game

Red (35:40):
well, and I hate the idea of people who focus on one game
so much become so good at it tothe point that it's no longer
fun though. Like I and I'venever played a professional
sport. I've never played aprofessional league and video
games. But I can only imagine atsome point, it's no longer fun
to be playing. It literally isyour job. It is your livelihood,

(36:03):
to be the very best in thesegames. And like so I don't know
if the original analogy or theoriginal example we were using
was just a friend who happenedto love one series. He loves
FIFA, and he played the shit outof it. Yep, nothing wrong with
that. But I know I kind ofsegwayed into douchebag but not
for that reason, you know. Butso so I look at like these

(36:23):
people like it takes Iunderstand why it happens. It
takes a long time to perfect oneof these games. And like whether
it's League of Legends counter,strike, FIFA, whatever, it takes
a very long time to perfect it.
And once you do, it makes itvery hard to move on from that
and start all over from scratchagain. Yeah, I do get it. You
know, when people are kind ofdoing it more casually though.

(36:44):
That's where it surprises melike the the example of our
friend, he's not a pro FIFAplayer or anything like that. He
just really loves Thanks, guys.
He just really loves jumpingonline and playing FIFA. And
there's nothing inherently wrongwith that. But I do think by not
broadening your horizons andtrying different games and
you're not gonna like everythingyou try. I don't like every game

(37:05):
I play, you know, but you'remissing out a little bit when
you just focus on on one game.
And even when I was like,playing Halo fairly religiously
back like I said, the end ofhigh school beginning of
college, I still played othergames. Yeah, like so to me. It
was always one of those like,that was always my mainstay, but
there was always something elseto try. So So kind of, so what
are you? I know, you've kind ofgiven your thoughts a little

(37:27):
Yeah, but what are your I know,I kinda went off in the
professional direction, but gowherever you want with it. I
want to hear what you have tosay.

Hick (37:33):
I think I will call them competitive gamers more than
just gamers. But I think thatthat competition, obviously is
some part of that. Like, as welljust like to compete in playing
a game like FIFA or Overwatch orLeague of Legends. Like you're
just competing now, you couldreally say that everything you
do in a game is competing,because you're trying to beat
some obstacle. But right now, ithas a lot to do with it. Like,

(37:56):
you know, people, and like, youknow, they have fun, they
compete. They have fun, they'recompetitive. Just to me, I just,
it's not something really, Iguess appeals to me, I could
just not sit there and play onegame that much. Like, I bored.
Yeah, where are you buying ityear after year after year?
Because you gotta like, youknow, stay up with the players
and the rosters? Like I was thesame way for a long time. Yeah,

(38:18):
assuming that you compete likethat you have to buy the new
one. I'm not sure exactly howthat works. But anyway, so let's
kind of transition. You know,you're not supposed to sit there
and say transition. We're tryingto go through a transition. But
anyways, some people play a gamefor years. And then some people
just like me, quit playinggames, like, hardly for a while
we kind of talked about this.
Like I said, it's somethingthat's happened to me. But the

(38:39):
whole concept of when you'replaying games, like you're
having fun, usually. And likeyou know, unless you're
competitive gamer and gettingyour ass kicked anyway. But when
you're playing games, you'rehaving fun, it can really make
time fly by and there's a pointin my life and I've talked about
this before, I didn't make thebest decisions in my life. Now I

(38:59):
wasn't getting trouble, like youknow, illegally or anything like
that. I quit gaming for a littlewhile and that was a bad
decision that made and you know,there was no a lot factors
around it. Oh, you're maturing?
Oh, you're out college. Oh, youneed to grow up, blah, blah,
blah. Like I said, folks, I wasstupid. I've done wiser with age

(39:20):
but one of the factors that didgo into play during that time
was this concept that when youplay a game you get lost in in
like, you know, four or fivehours can go by and I really
just didn't want to work andthen come home and be like Oh
crap, it's time to go to bedlike I want to enjoy my night.
Like you know, and just have acat Okay, I'll still have fun.

(39:42):
But I want to my night tonightfly by like I want to be you
know, slow because as humanbeings, most of us want to I
would think all this really butwe want to slow life down. It
felt like life was going toofast when I was playing games
for that long. So is thissomething that you have
experienced?

Red (40:00):
I haven't experienced it to the point that it was a factor
in like stopping gaming for aperiod of time. But I, the
feeling is there, and especiallylike you and me are in different
situations in our life. I mean,you're the one with, you know,
the kids a little moreresponsibility in your evenings,
whereas I kind of don't havethat responsibility. So for me
right now, I'm like, oh, I've

Hick (40:20):
got a free Yeah, no, so I'm not laughing right there.

Red (40:23):
It's like, I have a free evening. There's really no, I
mean, I don't watch that muchTV. I watch sports. But if
there's nothing good on thatway, I'm like, I can sit here
and play a game for six hours.
What do I care? Okay. No, no, mygirlfriend said you could be
spending time with me and mykid.

Hick (40:37):
Know that sometimes I can't pull off a couple hours,
it will make my wife mad. But,you know, sometimes a couple
hours of playing video games isworth the dog ass. It just is
you

Red (40:46):
know, you need to release in your free time and your

Hick (40:51):
timing, you know, I don't really have an argument against
that. Like she brings up a goodpoint. But I'm just like, No,
I'm willing to spend a littlebit of time the dog has to get a
couple hours at some time. It'sa trade off but

Red (41:02):
go ahead. So So no, for me it is something you you don't
really think about that much asan adult now at least I don't
but when you're a kid, like whenyou and you were used to having
a set bedtime, you know, maybeit was nine o'clock 10 o'clock,
whatever time it is, you know,all of a sudden you start
looking at that clock and you'relike, Oh crap, it's midnight.
Midnight felt so late as a kidyou said you you lose time and

(41:24):
it hits midnight and you're likeoh shit, what am I doing? Now as
an adult who went throughcollege and was up till three
four or five in the morning moretimes than I probably should
have been still happens is a youknow grown up adult every now
and then to I won't lie. Yeah,but like I feel like you get
that you don't have that sametime constraint in terms of I
need to be in bed even though Iknow we have to get up and do

(41:46):
our jobs go to work all thatstuff, you know, or take care of
the kids

Hick (41:50):
in high school man you get to go school all day and then
like read some activity usuallyafter that, whether it was
sports or you know or whatever,it's like your days were a lot
longer that time to like youwould go to school, you know,
berries, but like you know 730to eight and then you wouldn't
get home till like seven o'clockor eight o'clock like you need
some sleep to

Red (42:09):
like do homework somewhere in there. twos. Yeah, so I just
to me, it's like

Hick (42:14):
you did homework seats.

Red (42:16):
Go ahead. Hey, I passed

Hick (42:18):
Yeah, no, you stay for a damn exam. Maybe an eighth of
the time that I did it would bebetter than me so don't get to
sit there and say you did yourhomework and all this study and
all this crap, right? Right. Butgo ahead,

Red (42:30):
but I've never really had that feeling where like I played
the game or I was losing thattime so much that I that I was
like, Okay, I need to step awayfrom this and I know a lot of
people know video game addictionis like something that's kind of
I don't know if it's necessarilydefined in like you know, the
official medical shit but it issomething that you see happening

(42:50):
and people can get lost and likeyou forget your other or not
forget but you ignore your otherresponsibilities. You don't
sleep you ignore your health.
All that can happen but youknow, I feel like we're not at
that point yet. We we may haveother addictions as long as you
like sit there and think

Hick (43:05):
about it like you're not gonna hit that point or anything
but I just thought was kind of agood topic you know, anyway, to
kind of talk about but um,before we in here, let's kind of
get into our last topic that youthrew on the outline. What are
you playing right now?

Red (43:17):
Oh, goes to Tsushima all Yes, Mishima it is I finally got
to it. All I can say is it's agame that doesn't in my opinion
so far anyway, doesn't it? Likeinnovate that much? It's not
reinventing the wheel. It justdoes everything really? Well.
Yeah, in a very well donepackage. The combat is fun. The

(43:37):
story is good. The world isbeautiful. The music the
exploration, like the littleside quests like it. None of it
is revolutionary. Like none ofit is something I haven't done
in a different game. It justbrings it all together very,
very well. I'm 50 ish hours intoit. There is a timer on this. I
thought you I think you'dmeasure that and find word track

(43:58):
your hours on this one. Butthere is a timer where you can
see I'm

Hick (44:01):
offline. You tell me what that said because I've never
seen it.

Red (44:04):
So I played a little over 50 hours just finished like the
first act and the first likethird of the island. So I
probably got another hundred. Oryou know,

Hick (44:13):
the first Island

Red (44:14):
right so so that's what I'm playing. I'm absolutely loving
it. I don't know if I quite haveit as high as you but also I
haven't finished it yet. Yeah.
But yeah, that's what I'mplaying. How about you?

Hick (44:24):
I finally got back into PC gaming a little bit, man like I
took a break again with the lastof us part two and that play
ghost of Tsushima so I took along break from PC gaming. Don't
know exactly what I'll get backto Assassin's Creed Odyssey
because I just played goshimaanother open world game.

Red (44:41):
Did you ever meet Odyssey hold on?

Hick (44:42):
No, no. I gotta get back to this sometime because I've
wondered how much time in Butanyways, I started up Tomb
Raider, because that was a gameon PC as like, hey, a nice,
maybe 10 to 20 hour game lineargame. I know that would be nice
to get back into PC. also play adifferent type of game on PC

(45:03):
because I've been playing mostlyopen worlds so right now Tomb
Raider on PC if a beat Iprobably will beat the game but
then faced with a tough decisionbecause that somehow I have it
both on PC and PlayStation fourthat bought twice I don't know
maybe I did I'm sure it was onsale

Red (45:19):
at the tomb raiders for like five bucks on PC. Yeah,

Hick (45:22):
about pay for it wasn't a lot. So that's why I'm playing
right now. And then also, I justbeat Super Mario Galaxy. So
yeah, jump to Super Mario 64.
And y'all know me ain't playingXbox, nothing, nothing on Xbox
right now, Xbox better game up.
Anyways, let's go ahead and wrapup this podcast episode. All the
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Red (46:20):
Well, the big thing we got that one of my favorite things
is Discord. We've got a greatdisco server where we talk about
PlayStation, Xbox PC gaming,Nintendo, we talk sports, we
talk booze, we talk life ingeneral, it's a great place to
talk when connect with othergamers. We're also on YouTube,
we've got tg PC gaming, we'vegot two guys playing Zelda where
it all started. And do we havean Busted Buttons pc page that

(46:42):
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Hick (46:44):
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Red (46:47):
are on our tg PC gaming, YouTube. Thank you. And then
we're also all over socialmedia. We're on Twitter, we're
on Instagram, we're at BustedButtons, PC, go look for us. I
thought this was a greatepisode, we're getting closer
and closer to our new consolesdropping and you better believe
we're gonna have all kinds offun talking about that. I got a
question to you. You asked me aninteresting question, but I'm
going to flip it on you. If youcan't get the Xbox. Are you

(47:10):
gonna get the PlayStation one? Iwould try get the Xbox,

Hick (47:14):
the PlayStation but it's right. No, I think I'm going to
commit maybe a month or so toget the PS five, and then I can
get it within the first month,then I might start thinking
about it differently. But justbuying the Xbox. If you can't
get the Xbox on Tuesday, or Ithink it's a Tuesday, I think
are you going to get the PS fiveon Thursday? Oh, that's

Red (47:35):
that's a tough question.
Because whichever one I get, Imean, like we talked about being
able to being able to get bothup, get him on both at the same
time is almost impossible forboth of us. But have to think
about that long and hard onThursday or on Tuesday
afternoon. If I'm sitting thereand I haven't got my hands on
it's not next week within acouple weeks. But you got a
couple of weeks. But you knowwe'll be we'll be talking about
that a lot here in the future.

(47:57):
So, but this is a great episode,it was yelling to kind of get
away from talking aboutindividual games for a few
minutes. So keep gaming and havea safe week.

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