When Being Seen Feels Like a Threat (Part 2)

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celebrates the power of stories, the medicine in our voices,

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and the magic of reclaiming who we are. Kind of
like this intro better Two weeks ago, we talked about
why being seen feels like a threat. We explored the
visibility wound, what happens when you learned that being seen
means being judged. We talked about Kayahita culture and the

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generations of conditioning that taught us that silence equals safety.
We also looked at what's actually happening in your nervous
system when freeze shows up before you speak up. And
I left you with the promise that this week I
would give you something practical, a way to actually start
teaching your body, the visibility can be safe. So that's

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what we're doing today. Put a brimetto. Let's talk about
why everything you've tried before probably hasn't worked. Yo. So bomb,
this is kfekom bomb and let's get into it. Brimeto.
People told you just be more confident, do a power
post in the bathroom before your presentation, repeat affirmations in

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the mirror, fake it till you make it. And maybe
you've tried it all. Maybe you've even read the books,
done the exercises, told yourself a thousand times that you
belong in that room. I have been there. But here's
my question. Did those things stop your voice from shaking?
Did it stop you from rehearsing conversations for hours before

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and after? Did it stop the three am spiral wondering
if you set the wrong thing, or how you could
have set it better. Probably not, And there's a reason why,
because confidence isn't something you manufacture through will power. I
will die on that hill. I've been there, and it's
not something It's not a switch on and off, on

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and off switch. It's something that emerges when your nervous
system finally feels safe and you can't think you're way
into feeling safe being visible when your body has decades
of data that says that being seen equals being criticized
or being judged, or it's shameful or whatever it is.

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And I'm saying decades and it could be generations. Peter Levine,
the founder of Somatic Experiencing and author of Waking the Tiger,
explains that trauma doesn't just live out in our memories.
It also lives in our bodies, in our nervous systems,
and you cannot resolve a body level respond through thoughts
only you need what he calls bottom up processing, working

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with your body, not just with your mind. And Peter
Levine and his training goes very much hand in hand
with the training that I did for EFT, for tapping.
In EFT, we also use bottom up. A lot of
the principles from sematic experiencing are super connected with my
clinical AFT practitioner training. So when you try to be

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to just be confident, what's actually happening is we have
our conscious mind who says I can do this, I
belong here, I am prepared, But then deep down inside
your nervous system, which operates below conscious awareness, is actually
saying there's danger, there's a threat that's detected. You have

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to do something to protect yourself because the role of
your nervous system, of your limbic brain, your emotional brain,
is to keep you safe. And guess who wins, obviously
the limbic brain every time, your nervous system. And this
is why affirmation feel hollow. This is why you can

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know that you are qualified, you can know that you
have all the skill sets, and you may still feel
like a fraud. This is why you can understand intellectually
that you deserve to take up space and still shrink
when it's your turn to speak. There's a difference between
understanding what it's true and embodying the change. So what

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happens when you try to override your nervous system through
sheer force, because let's be real, a lot of us
push through, a lot of us white knuckle your way
through the presentation, and a lot of us force ourselves
to speak up. I've done it many times. But what
happens It leaves you depleted because what's actually happening is

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not sustainable confidence. You're overriding your alarm system, your internal
your body's alarm system will power only and it's bypassing,
and bypassing has a cost, obviously, because eventually your system
will say, I can't sustain this anymore. And that's when
burnout hits. That's when you start avoiding situations that require

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visibility altogether. That's when your body starts saying, hmmm, we're
not going to do this in ways that you cannot
ignore anymore by anxiety, insomnia, even illness, because the body
will start communicating with you and will start giving you boundaries.
Because confidence, forced confidence doesn't work, so what does. What

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does work is teaching your nervous system through slowly, gentle
and consistent practices. We are slowly teaching it that visibility
can be safe. And this is why my work I
always have said since the beginning of time that my
work requires spaciousness. I never show up telling you we're

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going to get this done in two weeks, or in
six weeks, or in whatever that is, because every system
is different. I have clients that get changes within four
weeks of working together, and it's amazing. I have clients
that I've worked with for seven years and we are
still there's been changes, but there are still ways that

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they need more spaciousness, more time as we see in
this realm, but their bodies just need a little bit
more than some fast paced program because everybody's different and
for some of us we need more space to understand

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the visibility can be safe. And so a concept that
change for me when I was going through my EFT
emotional freedom techniques tapping training was learning about titration and
it does come from the work of doctor Pin and
Levine who studied nervous system work like a lot, And

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what it means is it works you work with your
trauma in small, manageable doses because what that does is
it gives your nervous system information that it can actually
have integration without becoming overwhelmed. In other words, I don't know.
I have my water bottle here here, and sometimes I'll

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give you an analogy for titration. So if you are
filling up the water bottle and you open the faucet
like at its maximum capacity, what happens. It goes like
and then like it starts bubbling up and it shoots
out uncontrollably. You know, that's when you do it like

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fast and furious, whereas when you do it slowly. And
I have to remind myself of this because sometimes I'm like,
let me fill my water bottle because I have a
call in playmate. It's more. But when you do it slowly,
it actually allows the water to gradually increase and you
can actually see when it's time to stop without spilling
everything or having to refill it again or whatever it is.

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That's integration, and that allows your system to not feel
so overwhelmed. Another way to put this is when you
are asleep and you are it's dark, let's say, and
all of a sudden somebody turns the light on. What
happens your eyes. All of a sudden You're like, wow,

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I can't see anything. You have to shield your eyes
because too much, too fast is not sustainable. It's just
the reality of it. And I know we live in
a world that glorifies fast and furious, but our bodies
don't like that. Now, if somebody was to raise a
dimmer switch or slowly, this is how actually the sun raises.

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That's how the sun wakes us up. It's a slow dimmer,
you know, it's not like an immediate like it's daylight.
You gradually get an increase of light and then our
eyes can it just because what that does is it
lets the brightness into our body and doses that are
manageable and that we can handle. And that's how titration works.

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That's how you can actually heal your nervous system. And
so what I want is to ground ourselves in is
the idea that visibilities in all or nothing. It's not
either your hiding or you're fully exposed and either you're
silent or you're on a stage. That's not how we
teach our nervous system safety. We learn through gradual exposure
at a pace that we can tolerate. Doctor Levin Levine

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puts it this way. You want to approach the activation slowly,
touch into it briefly, and then resource yourself back to
safe safety, then touch it again, then resource yourself again,
then back and forth in small doses. So I think
about flipping a thirty dain. So when you have the
commide and you have your thirtilla, you're not just getting

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You're not just holding the thirtilla and like flipping it
immediately right, Like you grab it quickly and then you
flip it and then you're like, oh, let me lem
me the my fingers just get a little bit back
to regular temperature. And then Once it's ready, you flip
it again, and you do it in wayte that you're
in this case, your fingers can understand that you're not

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getting burnt. And so in my work we call these
micro moments. We appreciate micro moments so much, and these
are small acts of being seen that teach your nervous
system you can be visible and still be safe. This
is not getting on a ted talk stage. This is
not going viral. This is not a confrontation with your

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boss or with everyone who told you to be quiet,
or your biggest bully. It's three minutes, three minutes a visibility.
That's where we start. And so I'm going to give
you the practice. This is a technique or a practice
designing to help you build safety through micro moments. And

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it has three parts before, during, and after your visibility moment.
So the before is your prep. So there's a difference
between preparation and rehearsal. Okay, this is preparation. Rehearsing is
going over your content forty fifty seven times hoping you
finally feel ready. That's anxiety management. This is not nervous

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system regulation. Preparation is when you're getting your body ready
to present and technically we could say that we only
need sixty seconds. So before your visibility moment, whether it's
a meeting, a presentation, a difficult conversation, whatever that is,

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you want to give yoursel of one minute to get
in the body. And I'll give you a couple of options.
One the simplest way to do this is to put
your feet flat on the floor. If you can take
your shoes off, great, And I'm considering that you're going
to be in an environment where you can't just like
start tapping, so I'm not I'm not going to give
you a tapping sequence this time because i want to

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give you practical tools that you can use in any
situation where tapping might just be a lot. So if
you can take your shoes off, if you're in a meeting,
I mean you can always take your shoes off and
plan them on the floor. Feel the chair supporting you,
allow gravity to hold your body. Okay, and you want

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to take some breaths. You want to take some breaths,
and I'm going to give you Now we're going to
use our fingers. So we're simply going to use our
index or middle finger and our pinky. All you have
to remember is one, two and three is the last one.
There's no actually there's no point on your ring finger. So,

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because how many have to practitioner, obviously we're going to
do a little tapping. But it doesn't have to be
elaborate tapping. It's very simple. And what happens is that
when you put if you're just listening to me, you're
going to put use your thumb on the side of
your index finger like this. If you're watching, is like that.
So your thumb, your your fingerprint of your thumb will

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touch the side of your index finger. Okay. The point
on your index because I know you will ask, is
your large intestine. Okay, So what you want to tune into,
because we're connecting to the body. I know. I'm giving
you this in longer than sixteen seconds. Bit, you want

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to put your thumb and then you can take a
breath and just by touching the large intest point, your
body will shift to give you a belly breath. Try
it with me, Okay. Then we move into the middle finger,
so it's thumb side of your fingernail. Okay, And so

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all you have to do is switch and then you
take a breath and the point and the thumb is
connected to it's also considered your heart protector point, so
it's connected to the heart. It's not the heart point,
but it's connected to it. And so putting your finger
on the side of your nail like this now, now

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your breath will come to the top of your body. Okay,
and then we go back to We actually go to
the pinky next, which is the same thing, the fingerprint
of her thumb into the side of our pinky nail.
If you have that flexibility in your fingers. If not,

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you can switch between index and middle whatever works for you.
But I like the pinky because the pink is actually
the heart. So you're going to breathe one more time.
You're going to feel how your chest is what's going
to fill up your lungs, the upper part of your body.
And then we switch back to the index and we

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do a belly breath again. So you can just switch
back and forth if you want to make it super
easy for you, between index and middle finger, index and
middle finger. And so that's what you're going to do
and breathe for sixty seconds. And so not only are
you connecting your breath, you're also tuning into the movement

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in your body. So that is allowing you to tell
your for your brain to say, okay, I have a body,
my body is here, and I am safe in this moment. Okay.
So what this does is it signals your nervous system
that we are presenced, that we are resourced, and that

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we are okay in this moment, in these sixty seconds,
we're good. But so no Marlos step number two. That's
when we acknowledge the activation. So if this is the
first time you're stepping into visibility, notice what's happening in
your body, and notice without judgment. You can do this
in thirty seconds. Maybe you can feel your heart raising.

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This is simple information. This is not evidence that something
is wrong. It's your body communicating with you. Maybe you
feel your throat tight. This is your body protecting you.
This is not proof that you can't speak. This is
not proof that you don't have a voice. It's your
body saying, oof, how can I hold you? Maybe you

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feel a little tickle like some butterflies. Maybe you could
say that you're nervous. That makes sense because we've already
talked about how your body giving you signals. It's simple
communication that your body is telling you, hey, we are
noticing something that doesn't feel familiar in some way, it
doesn't feel safe, and we allow ourselves to witness because

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the body just wants to feel seen. And ironically, the
more you find the activation, the stronger it gets. And
it's happened to me. It happened to me before. I
was in a call and I was nervous because I
was asked a question that I needed to come back
with a very strong answer, and I knew the answer,

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but when the question came in, it was kind of
like a little aggressive in a way. Now thinking back,
it wasn't aggressive, but that's how my body received it, actually,
and so that activated me. I didn't give myself the
thirty seconds to pause, acknowledge and witness, and so then

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I started talking really fast because I fought the activation.
My immedia natural response was, let me just answer this
as quickly as possible so I can get off, I
can mute myself again and then just be done with it. Well, obviously,
ironically we knew this. I fought the activation and it

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got stronger, and so I almost had to reel myself
back to slow down once I started talking super fast
because I could see the other person on the other side,
their eyes wide open, like whoa calmb your horses, you know,
speed it down a little bit. So it may not
feel natural as you're in it, but the more you

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witness it with compassion, with grace, the more it will
settle because those feelings are simply wanting to be seen. Now,
you want to also set a micro goal. A micro
goal is more attainable and it's more sustainable. So what

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you don't want to say is I'm going to crush
the presentation because I'm the best. Sometimes that works, but truly,
a micro goal would be I'm going to speak for
three minutes and then I'm going to assess. Okay, you
don't want to say I'm going to be confident the
whole meeting. You could say instead, a micro goal would

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be I'm going to make one point. Clearly. What we
don't want to say is I'm not going to be
nervous because remember, the brain doesn't understand no, so or
I'm going to stop being nervous if you want to
argue with me and be like, there's other ways to
say it. So you don't want to say I'm going
to stop being nervous because it's too big. You can't again,

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you can't just have the lights off and then turn
them on and be good. You want to dim it.
So you could say, I'm going to let my voice
be heard for two minutes. For a minute and a half, okay,
to recap the preparation, because I know I kind of
like expanded. So sixty seconds you ground your body, thirty

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seconds you acknowledge what feels activated, and thirty seconds you
set a micro goal. Okay, So that's two minutes of preparation,
and it's simple. It's short enough that your nervous system
won't flood with panic, and it's long enough that you
can build real evidence to say I did this for

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two minutes and I survived, and I was visible and
it worked out. Moving on to the during. Now you're
in the moment. Now you've chosen to unmute yourself and
speak up. You want to keep your feet grounded. You

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want to wiggle your toest, feel the floor. If I'm
able to take my shoes off, then I do carpet
scratches with your toes. If you can just feel the
floor and speak slower, then feels natural. You can go
back to the exercise with your fingers. Okay, if you

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want to do all fingers. If you're like it feels
weird to skip it, be my guest, but you can
go back. As you can see, I'm doing it right now,
and immediately my body was like, oh, let me give
you a sigh, because that's a signal that I'm giving
my body I am here and I'm with you body.
You want to make eye contact with one friendly face,

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with one anchor with a camera. Whatever is feels anchoring
to you. It could be a window, it could be
a tree outside whatever. That is. What you want to
make sure is when you're anchored, so your body anchors
with your feet being on the floor. You could be
doing the breathing. You can du all fingers, you can

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do one, two fingers, you can do one finger. When
you're doing the breathing, you're anchoring yourself into your body,
and then you can incher yourself outwards, so your inner
anchoring is feet on floor, tapping, breathing, you're out. Or
anchor could be another person. If you're talking to the masses,
it could be one person, or it could be a

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painting or a tree or whatever. It is something that
gets you to feel safe. The goal here is for
you to deliver the first sentence clearly, okay, no mass,
not a mass, the first sentence, not the whole presentation,
not the whole thing, the first sentence, because what we
want to remind ourselves is that you know what you're

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talking about, and if you're able to deliver the first sentence,
we good. So you want to trust that you know everything,
you know what you need to say now in the
event that if you stumble, pause, because a pause allows

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you to look confident, because a pause allows your nervous
system to recalibrate, and it lets your body feel kind
of like settle back into itself, so you can do
it like literally count one, two three, use your fingers,
and then go on. The best speakers actually do great

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pauses because they know that with every pause confidence is emerging.
A way that I remind myself when it comes to
pausing when I'm speaking is blinking. And I remember once
I saw a video of a filmmaker who's who was asked,

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how do I make sure when to edit cuts, when
to cut a scene? When do I know it's time
for cut? And he said, it's in the blinking. So
when I noticed that the actors in the scene, are
they blink, it's a time to cut, and so when
it's a time to pause is when you need a breath.

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And so give yourself the gift of breathing. So your
quick internal scan could be am I breathing, if not,
take a breath, allow yourself to pause. Once you're breathing again,
continue You've made it through the hardest part because after
three minutes usually the conversation or the talk or whatever

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it is, your activation has settled. If you're still flooded,
if you still feel like you're activated, then you could
absolutely say, you know what, let me pause and open
for questions, or let me pause and take a sip
of water. I want to make sure I'm being clear
any thoughts so far. You know, that allows you to

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continue to take up the space and regulate yourself in action,
which is really cool. I do this all the time.
I do this when I'm coaching people. I do this
when i'm speaking, like you know what, when I'm teaching,
especially especially when I'm teaching like, I'm gonna take a
sip of water and then I'm gonna let you all
think about any questions that may come up, and I

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take my siple water and I enjoy it and I
don't have to rush through my words because I feel
like me resourcing myself with water is taking away time
from what I'm teaching. Is not We're all human. That's
which is integration. This is the most important part, and
this is the part that most people skip because we

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tend to go from one thing and to the next one.
And integration is when we celebrate the microwinds. Integration is
when we allow our body to process what just happened
and subtle in that new truth. Because a microwind is
literally I shut up, I hid the onmeal button and

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I said what I needed to say, or even like
I put it in the example last time, maybe you
typed it up. Maybe you weren't quite ready, Maybe you
were like, you know what, I don't know if I
can quite do the voice thing and actually say what
I think, but I can type it. Maybe you didn't
wait for someone else to say it. You did it.
That's a micro moment, that's a micro when, and we

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want to give ourselves the space to honor that, to
tune into it, because it's the data that will feed
into the nervous system and it will create new nerve pathways,
and it will create new beliefs around this new evidence
that we have created. Because the body, because of negativity bias,

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the body will always remember pain over gain. But we
have to be very diligent. We have to be conscious
about gain. The body naturally will forget the game unless
this is a core memory. And so what we want
to do is we want to be conscious about filing
gainful things or filing winds, so the body doesn't file

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this moment as you know that stressful meeting where I
had klom palms or I was sweating and I guess
I did say something. Instead, we could consciously say, you
know what, I'm going to file this as the meeting
where I spoke up as the evidence that visibility is safe,

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as a moment of aligned action for me. You see
the difference, and then maybe when you get home, if
you can do it as soon as possible. Part of
the integration is to process, and there's the difference between
process and spiral. So what we want is we want
to process. Usually we tend to spiral. And so three

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questions that you want to ask yourself, what feel hard,
what feel good? And what would I do different? These
three questions simple, super important though, because that allows us
to process and not spiral. Processing is what can I learn?
Spiraling is what did I do wrong? What could I

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have done better? Why did I say that word? Why
didn't I say a different word? So we want to
process because process builds wisdom and spiraling reinforces the wound.
We want to honor all the feelings. So if you
feel activated afterward, we want to make sure that we
let the body complete the stress cycle. And the stress
cycle looks different for everyone most of the times. For me,

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if I feel activated after a moment and I couldn't
regulate during, then I either take myself for a walk,
I stretch sometimes. I remember one time I had a
really intense cause and I couldn't even get up. I
was so activated still, and so I started tapping and
immediately tears started flowing, and I allowed myself to do

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have a super good, really solid cry and feel it
off all and that completed my stress cycle because my
body had been holding so much during the negotiation in
this case, and so once I completed the stress cycle,
took five minutes of a good cry, I was done.

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I was able to get up. I want my dog,
I had lunch. It was fun. It was fun, So
for me, it's tapping. Of course, if you want me
to do a post tapping sequence, I would love to
do that. This is something that you would do on
your own. Usually you know you're not tapping in a meeting.
So that's why I want to give you something more

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practical in this episode. But let me know, let me
know if you want me to do the post event
tapping sequence, I would love to do that because the
goal ultimately is to help your body return to baseline.
What we don't want is your body to carry the
activation into your next visibility moment because the body is
really wise. Our bodies are pretty cool, so you don't

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wan't necessarily stay activated, so you won't feel the activation.
But any other time, when the body catches this feeling
of familiarity, it will be like ooh, let me go
pull from whatever we decided to store this and we're
going to bring it back up to you. So what
we want by completing the stress cycle is to release

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it and then you go on with your life. So
why does this approach work when just be confident doesn't
work well because we're not asking your nervous system just
to make a giant leap is not just jump super big,
because we're building evidence slowly, we're training for a marathon.

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This is not a sprint. We want to show your system.
You can be visible for one or two minutes, for
three minutes, then you increase it for five minutes, then
you increase it for ten minutes. Then you say I
own this whole presentation, this whole sixty minute thing, and
some like. Eventually you'll be like, let's go. We can

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do this without preparation because you've already built enough evidence
of Kayoko malims. You've built enough foundation that you don't
need to be so prepared. And truly, what happens is
that each time your nervous system gets new information, it compounds,
and so this compounding eventually becomes us being seen doesn't

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destroy me being seen. It's okay. And that is titration
and how trauma heals. Trauma doesn't heal through one big
breakthrough moment. It could most of the time is through
an accumulation of microexperiences that slowly begin contradicting the old data,

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and then you start compounding. You release the old information
and then you replace it with a new one. That's
how it works. And I want to connect this back
to something deeper. In my body of work and my framework.
I talk about values and how values guide me through
or can guide you through moving through the world. And

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three of my values are relevant in this conversation. The
first one is ready, willing able, and this is basically
courage and action. It's not a fake it till you
make it. It's try it even though I'm scared, and
it's moving forward despite fear because we all deserve to
try without stretching us so much though, and this is

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where the second one comes. Grace. Grace is honoring our
shared humanity through mutual compassion. This includes grace for yourself.
Grace that says, my body's response makes complete sense given
what I have learned, I'm just healing. Give yourself grace.
And the third one is trust unfolding. And this is

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steadfast confidence that begins with trusting yourself, that extends and
then extends to trusting the process, your timeline and even
the slow shifts. Everyone is in their own journey. Don't compare.
Trust your own path and trust that your own visibility.
You are building safety in your own timeline and for

(35:25):
some of you, it's going to be quite and easy.
For some of you, it's going to take a little longer.
Either way, it's okay because it's not a race. You're
not falling behind behind what you're choosing to do the work.
The most people skip because the majority of people don't
understand that confidence is actually a nervous system state. It's

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not a personality traite. People aren't born people are not
born confident. So every time you practice the first three minutes,
you're not just getting through a moment. You are rewiring.
You're all complete whole relationship with visibility itself. And it's
sacred work. So I hope you give it the time
it deserves. All right, let's bring this home. Being seen

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doesn't have to feel like being exposed. Visibility doesn't have
to equal vulnerability. There's a difference. Your voice, even when
it shakes, it's not evidence that you don't belong. It's
evidence that you are being brave enough to show up anyway.
And what I would love for you to remember is
that your body is protecting you based on information. When

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we give information new information slowly, gently, tenderly, that's when indoses.
We get to integrate that new information We don't force confidence.
We don't fake it till we make it. We don't
override our nervous systems alarm. We show up in tiny,
micro moments three minutes, three more, three more, three more.

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Because confidence will never arrive in a big leap. Confidence
is built through a thousand small moments where you were
visible and where you survived. So the truth about your
visibility wound is that it's your body's intelligent response to
a word that taught you that being seen was dangerous.

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And hopefully after today you teach your body something different.
You're teaching it that your voice matters, that your presence
is valuable, that being seen can be safe. And that's
the ongoing work that we're here to do. Because you
can start building safety your body can trust. You want

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to If this resonated with you, if you are ready
to start healing your visibility wound. Your homework for this
week is to identify one low stakes visibility opportunity. Maybe
could be speaking up at a team check in. Maybe
could be commenting on someone's post. Maybe could be sending
a voice note instead of a text. I find it

(38:01):
really fascinating. I love sending people voice notes, and I
find it fascinating when people are like, oh no, I
don't like sending voice notes because I don't like hearing myself,
And I'm like, what I mean? You don't have to
re listen to it. You can just send the voice note.
I don't know, not judging, simply observing. But then once

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you do whatever your activity is, that you choose your
low stakes visibility activity, then tune in and notice, did
anything terrible happen? I can probably give you a spoiler
that it didn't. Nothing terrible will happen. Now, if you
want to go a little bit deeper and you want

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to understand which wound may be running your life, so
you can name it and we can actually work on it.
You can work on it. You can take the kaya
the Culture Quiz and the KaiA the Culture Quiz. You
can find it at kapacumpum dot comport slash Quiz will
have the link in the show notes and the this
is where you can uncover that wound of the five
ones that keep us quiet of our work to underpaid

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and just undervalued. In so many words, like there's so
many words, but remember your truth is not too much.
Your truth is your power. Your truth is your medicine.
Your truth is needed in this world, and thank you
so so much for being here. Continue Sibrere Siam is

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