In this powerful episode, Whitney sits down with a former Air Force veteran turned systems strategist and business coach who opens up about his journey from military service to entrepreneurship. After being laid off during a Department of Defense downsizing, he faced bankruptcy, lost his home and custody of his kids, and had to reinvent himself from the ground up. Now, he helps coaches, thought leaders, and experts build smart systems that bring in consistent leads and sales—without the burnout.
What You’ll Learn in This Episode:
- What it’s really like to start over after military service
- How personal setbacks can lead to massive breakthroughs
- Why systems are the secret weapon of successful entrepreneurs
- The mindset shift from employee to CEO
- How serving others became his purpose-driven business model
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(00:00):
Welcome to Caffeinated Chaos,where business deals happen
between diaper changes andfriendships are fueled by
caffeine.
I'm Whitney GaN, your host, andI'm here to talk all things
business parenthood, and ofcourse keeping up with the BFFs,
whether you're juggling theboardroom, the playroom, or just
here for some coffee fuel chaos.
We've got you covered.
Get ready for real talk, laughsand a whole lot of heart as we
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dive into the beautiful messthat is entrepreneurship,
parenthood, and everything inbetween.
So let's embrace the chaostogether.
Ated, of course.
I am excited to introducetoday's guest, Jay Jackson.
Jay is a transformationalleader, business strategist, and
systems expert who went from anoverworked and underpaid to
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building a life of freedom,working just five hours a day
while helping others elevatetheir impact, income, and
authority.
He's the creator of the catalystsystem and a master at making
success simple, sustainable, andpurpose driven.
Get ready.
'cause this conversation ispacked with wisdom you do not
wanna miss.
Grab those cups of coffee, finda comfy spot, and let's welcome
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Jay to the podcast.
Welcome to the podcast, Jay.
How are you doing today?
I'm doing outstanding.
Thank you for having me on.
Yeah.
Oh my gosh, I'm so excited.
Listeners, we talked a littlebit before we started hitting
record, and Jay and I have somany parallels going on with
like locations we've been in,places we've lived that it's
(01:31):
awesome.
I can't wait to get started.
But first, before I get too farinto it, Jay, why don't you tell
our listeners a little bit aboutyourself?
Yeah, well, I'm probably likemost of your listeners, just a
guy who loves family and, youknow, things that I'm passionate
about in terms of serving andhelping people.
Mm-hmm.
I'm a young little country boy,is what I like to tell people
from, originally fromBirmingham, Alabama.
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You probably can't tell, by theway that I talk, but every now
and then a little twang mightfall out.
But I am a military brat.
My stepfather was in the Navy,and so we traveled across this
country Before graduating highschool, I had lived in seven
different states.
Wow.
Then I guess I was a gluttonfor, uh, chaos and, instability
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so much that I turned around andjoined the Air Force and did 15
years in the Air Force myself.
And so I lived in multiplecountries, visited multiple
countries, loved everythingabout it.
But, and unfortunately, likemost people, whenever a major
corporation does a downsizing,in this case, the Department of
Defense cut 250,000 people backin 2014, and unfortunately, I
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was one of those 250,000, and soI had to find my next
opportunity.
I was pretty devastated whenthis happened because of course,
you know, you put your life onthe line for something literally
that mm-hmm.
Believed in, uh, only for it tosay, Hey, your service no, are
no longer wanted.
So it was pretty devastating forme.
A lot of PTSD, chaos, as I'msure we're gonna talk, you know,
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about here shortly.
Yeah.
Just completely, you know,changed my life but I'm grateful
I.
I'm grateful for the entireexperience because now looking
back, I wouldn't be able to haveamazing conversations like this
with you.
Mm-hmm.
Or meet some of the amazingpeople that I've been able to
meet and do some of the coolthings that I've been able to
do.
So, kind of in a, in a nutshell,that's me.
But I'm sure we'll unpack a lotof that a little bit as we get
into our conversation.
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Now you are an entrepreneur.
Yeah.
And so you work with leaders inthe industry, right?
Specifically just helpingcoaches, thought leaders and
experts, create a system so thatthey can get leads and sales
consistently, uh, to work lessin their business while
profiting more, becauseobviously we started our
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businesses.
Mm-hmm.
So we can have time andfinancial freedom.
Not that we're, you know, stuckin the trenches, you know,
dealing with technology and allthe things that, you know, we
struggle with when it comes tobuilding an online business.
I've basically been able tocrack several of the codes and
so now I just go back and Iteach and help people avoid the
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mistakes or, the waste of timeor even the waste of money.
Yeah.
They don't have to go throughthe same process that I went
through.
Oh, I love that.
I am a systems girl through andthrough.
I love it.
See another pill.
I love this.
This is gonna be cool.
Yeah, it's gonna be cool.
I love systems.
I feel like ever since, I don'tknow, maybe.
High school, college.
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I just like, I just lovetinkering with stuff too, and,
and trying to figure it out.
And it's so awesome that you'rehelping other people.
My listeners probably know thisstory like a hundred percent
already, but like my life skillsteacher back in high school, she
always taught us that like as werose to reach back and pull
someone up with us.
And so I love the fact thatlike.
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Your business and the way thatyou are is helping those to
also, you know, like you said,have more freedom, not so much
of the headache of trying tofigure out the backend system by
implementing what you alreadyknow and teaching it to the next
generation or the next.
A wave of entrepreneurs forsure.
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Yeah.
It's just like I've always hadthe mentality of service, right?
Yeah.
So growing up in church as ayoung kid, I told you I was a
Navy brat, so that's, we served,I joined the Air Force Service
and so I.
It was, for me, it was, it's, Ialmost, it's innate or deeply,
you know, programmed orconditioned into me to serve and
help people.
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And so I just try to be what Iwish I had.
Right?
Yeah.
And so I think sometimes we missout on, what I think is our
purpose, our mission or ourcalling, because we just
sometimes, fail to realize howpowerful our own experiences
are.
When it comes to being able toserve and help other people.
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And so, I tell people all thetime, it's very selfish.
So if I do something for you andit makes you feel good, like
Bravo, but I promise you Ididn't really do it to make you
feel good.
I did it to, it makes me feelreally good to, to help people,
to help see people smile or tonot have to, you know, be
stressed or frustrated oranything like that.
That fuels me, that, that lightsme up inside.
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I kind of geek out on it.
I love that.
It's very much a win-win for theboth of you too.
Hundred percent.
Did you start this because ofthe layoffs and then you had to
pivot to find, or was it likeyou did something else and then
eventually you had this ahamoment?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
When I first transitioned out,my plan was to start an upscale
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lounge.
I was, oh, okay.
Yeah.
I was in middle Georgia, whichis where I got outta the Air
Force at.
And in that particular area,while I was in the Air Force, we
would have to either drive toAtlanta hour and a half drive.
And then of course if you, werebrave enough soul to have a few
beverages and drive back, you'ddrive an hour and a half back.
Sometimes we would spend thenight in Atlanta, but then after
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a while, I became a full-timesingle dad after going through
my divorce.
A lot of the.
Friends we were single and someof them were single moms and
single dads as well.
And so it was just like, Hey,it's impossible for us to keep
traveling to Atlanta.
Oh, yeah.
Getting a hotel room and thennow we have to find childcare,
but we're all friends, so how dowe, like who's gonna watch our
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kids if we're all trying to goup and party and have a good
time?
Yeah, exactly.
What we started to do is Istarted to do like an open mic
night on base.
And it was amazing.
Like everyone loved it becauseyou didn't have to travel to the
city to have a good time.
That's so cool.
And still, you know, have datenights and things like that.
And so when I got out, the planwas to start this upscale lounge
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'cause there wasn't one there.
But I was very, naive in myunderstanding around exactly how
much capital I would need inorder to start it, and then what
it would take to actuallyoperate it.
Like, yes, I could get people inthe door and I had proven that
with like the open mic night,and I could keep a crowd, you
know, excited the entire time.
But the overhead expenses of,you know, one, getting a place
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built out and retrofitted for,food costs, liquor license, all
the things.
Yeah.
And so at that time I was like,Hey, I can't afford this, but I
gotta figure out a way to makesome money and, keep the
mortgage paid.
And I wasn't able to do that.
Like I, I lost my home toforeclosure, went through
bankruptcy, lost custody of mykids, and in that moment, that's
where I had to go through my owntransformation experience where.
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I had to reinvent myself becausethere was a time where I thought
I was an Air Force member,right?
Like, that's who I am.
That's my identity.
And so now I had to learn how tobe a civilian because I joined
the Air Force at 19, and I wasstill a kid in a knucklehead
when I joined.
And so I knew nothing aboutbeing a civilian as an adult.
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And so, you know, I had to one,learn how to be a civilian, but
now I have to learn how to be acivilian as an adult, and then
now I gotta, mm-hmm.
How do I go out here and huntbecause I've never had to hunt
before.
Because the Air Force literallyfirst and 15th gave me a
paycheck, right?
And so one day I was out andabout and I gave you all of that
to kind of bring you to how Igot started.
(09:02):
Of course, now, one day I was,in the local community where I
lived.
Macon, Georgia.
And I would just go todifferent, like community events
or community activities.
So if they had like a businessnetworking event, you know, I
would attend.
Or if they had a small businessweek, I would attend.
And one day I was having aconversation with a young lady
and she basically asked me wherewas I from?
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And I said, I'm from Birmingham,Alabama.
And she's like, no, you don'tsound like you're from
Birmingham.
And I was like, no, I get it.
I said, but I'm also,transitioning outta the Air
Force.
And she's like, ah, that's it.
She's like, you don't, youdefinitely don't sound like
you're from around here, and youdefinitely don't think like
anybody around here.
And so that was a huge shock forme because.
(09:47):
I really didn't hang out with alot of civilians because when
you're, you know, when you're ina culture or a tribe Yeah.
Community, you really associateright.
With the people that, that yourock with.
And so I didn't hang out with alot of civilians.
And so when she said this, I hadlike this kind of a mind blowing
epiphany, moment where I waslike, whoa, there's a huge
difference between the waymilitary members think and
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operate versus civilians.
And so I saw that as anopportunity to be able to say,
okay, there are people who, forlack of a better term, lack I
guess, and no pun intended, thatlack some things that I have.
And I saw that as a way for meto be able to say, oh, okay,
well, I've got some education,some training, some experience
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that I can take from my militarytime and then go into whether
it's small businesses,nonprofits, or even government
organizations.
And serve and add value.
And so that's really where, thebirth of what I currently do was
born, it started out leadershipdevelopment, a little life
coaching mixed in.
And then I ran in, I went to aconference and I met a guy at
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this conference in 2016 and hestarted to talk about the
importance of systems in yourbusiness.
Mm-hmm.
And I, mm-hmm.
Stood the concept very wellbecause air traffic control,
which is what I did while in themilitary, is built on the
system, right?
Mm-hmm.
So it's about safe and efficientflow of air traffic and
everything is always aboutcreating a plan that allows you
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to work within the parameters ofthe FAA, which is the Federal
Aviation Administration to howto work within their system.
And from a system,infrastructure.
Blockchain, you know, kind offlow of things.
I, I fully understood it.
The problem I had though is Ididn't know how to bring it all
together from an online techwith workflows and automations
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and triggers and all the things.
Yeah.
And that was my journey, right?
I dove headfirst into it.
I had to figure it out.
Made a lot of mistakes, lost alot of money, to the tens of
thousands of dollars and to theyears.
I also look at it as tuitionpaid.
Like I had to go through thosethings, so that other people
don't have to go through it.
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And kind of long put a button onthat story.
That's how I got here.
That's how I got started.
And that's literally how, youknow why I love what I do.
Is that enough chaos for you bythe way?
That Oh my God.
That is like so much chaos.
I was like, well, we don't evenhave to ask about chaos anymore.
Look, hey, I grew up domesticviolence, so that stepfather
that I referred to earlier, wewere a DV family, and so I, I
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get chaos.
We moved every one to two years,and so there was no stability.
I fully understand chaos.
Mm-hmm.
And so then to go, into themilitary and be able to, I don't
say be able to.
I guess it kinda look, dependson how you look at it.
I never thought I'd go tocountries like Baghdad or go to
Africa, but unfortunately whilethere, you're in chaos, right?
(12:41):
You're in war zone.
And so, I think I've got mydegree, uh, PhD in chaos, so I
can definitely speak to it.
You've definitely majored in it100%.
Oh my gosh.
Okay.
I love that you were talkingabout how you were figuring out
with building the systems withinthe system.
And because I had this oneclass, and I think that you
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might enjoy this, but like, Ihave this one class back in
college.
I'm a psych major, so I did 10years, working in the mental
health field.
But before that, when I was incollege, I took this one class,
and this is one that was justsimply for the like systems
geeky girl inside me where I wasjust like.
It was called like psychologyand the visual eye.
Okay.
(13:23):
So it was all about how peopleperceive mm-hmm.
The world around them.
Mm-hmm.
And how, like signs are madethat automatically, like as we
grew up, we learn what thatmeans.
We know what the yield signmeans, we know what a stop sign
means, even if it's just the redhexagon and not the word stop
for sure.
So like now part of when I helppeople write like playbooks and
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backend systems, I'm just like,oh, well yes, all your content
is there, but your employees arenot gonna understand this or
their eyes are gonna gloss overbecause you're not visually
making it appeasing to thebrain.
Mm-hmm.
For sure.
So I love that.
I love now that I can makesystems with psychology and the
fact that you've taken whatyou've learned in your
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experience in the Air Force and,you know, going through the
chaotic life that you've had sofar is, that you are now in this
position where you can helppeople not have as much chaos as
you did.
And our listeners, if you are,if you're counting, we've saved
chaos like a gazillion times.
This episode might end up beinglike a drinking game at one
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point.
Let's do it.
Let's do it.
So.
Let's take a quick little shift.
Let's shift to if somebody ishearing your story and
resonating with what you aresaying, what's like a good, like
first step, you know, ifsomeone's like, okay, I'm
hearing you, I think I'm readyto like, start moving my
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business to either free up sometime, or, make it more impactful
without the stress and the extrawork.
What's a good first step thatyou would suggest to them?
Yeah.
So the first thing is get clearon what you do want, right?
Mm-hmm.
Like what lifestyle do you want?
For example, do you want to havemore time in the evening to
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where you can be present, whenyour kids get home from school?
Or are you a homeschool parentand you need to have a business
to where during the day.
You can actually, be presentwith your kids and be the
instructor or educator that theyneed you to be.
And then you operate yourbusiness in the evening.
Are you the business owner whosays, you know what, I don't
have any kids at all.
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However, I do have a significantother, or I'm single, but this
is the lifestyle that I want tolive.
This is how much money I want tomake.
This is the kind of place that Iwant to live in.
This is the kind of car I wantto drive.
These are the kind of peoplethat I want to work with.
Just kind of put that, get thatstuff out of your head and
literally put it on paper,literally.
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And the reason being is becausewhen we have so much clutter or
chaos going on in our minds,it's impossible.
Yeah.
Wants to take the necessaryactions that we need to take
because that confused minddoesn't take action.
Right.
And you mm-hmm.
Probably better understand itand can diagnose it better than
I can as a psych major.
At the end of the day, once weget it out of our head and we
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put it on paper, it comes tolife.
Right?
Yeah.
And I'm not.
There's some spiritualityaspects to it as well, right, in
terms of getting it outta yourhead and putting it on paper.
But at the end of the day, onceyou put it on paper and you've
got that type of clarity, it's alot easier for you to be able
to, set your boundaries.
And become non-negotiable aboutcertain things.
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So, for example, I no longer,you know, associate with certain
people, because it's outside ofthe new lifestyle.
I want live or I no longer,attend certain events or go into
certain environments becausethey're no longer supportive or
conducive for this new lifestylethat I want to live.
So the very first thing is justget clear on exactly what you
want, because once you have thatclarity, you know exactly what
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actions to take and what actionsnot to take.
That is so good.
I am a big fan of alsophysically writing like pen to
paper too.
I know some people will like.
Put it on their notes and allthat.
And I don't know, for mepersonally, something about
like, literally writing it out,really does, like you said, it
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has this like, kind of likespiritual like transformation
that you're just closing.
I know like, natalie Ellis callsit, closing the tabs in your
head, I love that we all, Ihave, like, I'm looking at my
computer as we record, and I'mlike, I have like 20, 20 tabs
open right now.
Many, yeah, for sure.
Yeah.
Same here.
Same here.
Yeah.
If you're an entrepreneur with,and you don't have 20 tabs open,
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yeah.
You're doing something wrong.
You're doing something wrong, oryou're.
So, right, you are like, you'vewon being an entrepreneur.
Yeah, absolutely.
And yeah, I think what you'resaying is like a first step too,
is a lot of people, you knowhave these like, oh, I want
this, I want that.
But if you don't write it down,if you don't see it, you know,
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how are you gonna make it cometo life?
Because eventually your brainwill get so clustered that.
This thing that you want isgonna get so pushed back that
you're not gonna be able to seeit anymore.
So I'm not a theologian or apreacher or anything like that.
Yeah, I maybe a couple times in,in a past life, but, there's
something about specifically,there's a bible verse that's,
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Habakkuk two and two.
And it says, write the vision,make it plain so that he who
sees it can run with it.
And I know there are a lot oftimes we hear, you know,
scriptures like that and it'sdifficult for us to understand
like, how do I practically applythis particular scripture to my
life?
And that's literally what we'retalking about.
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Like you talked earlier about.
The importance of when it comesto writing things down, there's
a transformation that occurs.
Mm-hmm.
And so one of the things that Ido, myself, and I teach this to
my clients as well, is whateveryour goals are, right?
We're gonna start with thelarger goal of, whatever it is
you want to achieve in the next.
10 years.
But then of course, as they say,how do you eat an elephant?
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One bite at a time.
So we break that down intobite-sized chunks and we'll
break it down to a granularlevel to where once we get to
the daily activities that arenecessary for you to achieve
that ultimate 10 year goal,that's when we begin to say
every single day, yes.
Every single day, you're goingto get up and you're going to
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write your goals down.
And the reason why you do thatis because what you begin to do
is you begin to condition yourmind to look for ways in order
for you to achieve whateverthose goals might be.
And so once you do that, youbasically activate your
reticular activated system.
And once you activate yourreticular activated system, you
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begin to see, so for example,people have, probably seen, or I
go out and I buy this white car.
Well, before buying this whitecar, I never even saw white cars
in that model before.
And all of a sudden now I startto see the same yes, same model
everywhere.
And you're like, oh my God, Ishould have never got this car.
'cause everyone's got it.
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They were always there.
But because you didn't activateyour reticular activator system
until you actually purchased thecar yourself, you didn't notice
'em.
Oh, it's so funny that you bringup the story.
I literally, when I waspregnant, with my first kid, I
was just like, oh, okay.
Like I'm pregnant and then allof a sudden not counting, you
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know, being at the OB clinic,but all of a sudden out in
public, I'm like, oh my God,there's like a million pregnant
people in this, like in ourtown.
And I'm like.
Are we all gonna have babies atthe same time?
And I'm just like, I swear, likeI maybe saw like one or two,
pregnant women at Target and allof a sudden now I'm just like,
every aisle I'm just like.
Am I, you know, you start seeingit, right?
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Yeah.
You know, not to, belittle or bedemeaning at all, but those
pregnant women were everywherethe entire time.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You're totally right.
It's like once you get somethingor like you've.
You've zoned in on it.
Mm-hmm.
Then all of a sudden, that's allyour brain starts seeing it
everywhere.
Like you said, they were alwaysthere.
Always there.
You just, your brain wasn'tactivated to it.
(21:25):
So I don't wanna run out oftime, do you wanna tell our
listeners about your workshopthat you, have.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So, the work, less to Profit,more Masterclass.
Right now we're doing them onceper month.
It's a two hour literallymasterclass, a deep dive where I
literally break down what we've,tailored as the catalyst system.
It is specifically designed tohelp, online entrepreneurs who
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sell their knowledge just breakfree from the busy work.
So that they can scale theirbusiness and enjoy more profits
without them doing all of thework.
And I think at the, again, it'sjust about creating, leverage,
helping people create an asset,that generates revenue so that
they can do the things that theylove.
It could be to, better supportyour church, your favorite
charity to take care of familymembers to take care of kids in
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college.
Or take your dream vacationearnest money for your dream
home, or buy your dream car,what you know, whatever it is.
Because we all have differentdesires based on where we are,
you know, in our life journey.
But at the end of the day, it'sabout helping you, just create
an asset.
So you don't have to worryabout, Hey, when is my, where's
my next client gonna come from?
How do I generate leads?
(22:33):
And then how do I, you know, getsales without being salesy,
sleazy, or manipulative?
And so I basically break down,the psychology and the strategy
behind that, in an onlinecontext mm-hmm.
So that people can make moremoney and have that time
freedom.
Awesome.
Love that.
So Jay, if someone is reallyresonating with everything that
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you're saying, how can theyconnect with you?
Where can they find you on?
I am on every single socialmedia platform that you can
think of.
Maybe not Snapchat.
But yeah.
So Snapchat still exist?
I think so.
I don't know.
I don't, oh my gosh.
I haven't seen Snapchat forever.
Yeah.
On Facebook and, LinkedIn.
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You can just find me as JayJackson.
Same thing on Instagram.
So Jay Jackson on Instagram.
My handle, though, on Instagramis at Disruptive Leaders
Alliance.
Because we're all aboutdisruptive leadership.
If you're on YouTube as well,I've got two YouTube channels,
the Disruptive LeadershipPodcast and j Jackson is
business systems.
(23:38):
Awesome.
And listeners, as always, I willput all those, links and
information down in our podcastnotes so you can go grab them
there.
Obviously if you are driving,don't do that now, but
definitely you want to connect,you can grab those links down
below.
So Jay J of course, we'rewrapping up, so any closing
(23:59):
thoughts you have for ourlisteners.
Yeah, just no matter, twothings.
I guess, kind of two closingthoughts.
No matter how good you thinkthings are right now, at any
moment they can become chaoticand I hope my story and sharing
that with you earlier.
Help you see that no one issafe, no matter what you are
currently doing right now.
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And I think entrepreneurshipgives you the best opportunity
to have freedom to makedecisions that you wanna make
with your life.
Mm-hmm.
So, be proactive, you know, setyourself up, create some systems
or a side hustle or, you know,go all in on your side hustle,
so that no one can come in anddisrupt your life.
So that's.
Part one or first thought.
And my second thought is if youare currently in the chaos,
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right?
If you're currently pulling yourhair out, going through a
divorce, fired from a job, thedeath you know of a family
member that you love, just trustand believe that everything is
always going to be okay.
There's a cliche out there andI.
Say it's a cliche because peoplekind of toss it around with
without, I don't thinkunderstanding it.
Mm-hmm.
But that cliche is that theuniverse has your back or, you
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know, everything is working outfor your good.
Mm-hmm.
And I truly believe that to bethe case.
I've had several experiences inmy life.
I've talked to you aboutdomestic violence growing up.
I talked to you about being letgo from my, what I.
Thought was my career, butrealize now it's just a job.
Yeah.
And I even almost my daughteralmost died during Covid where
she had to be put on aventilator.
So I'm saying these things froma place of experience.
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When I say that no matter whatyou're going through, no matter
how chaotic it might feel, nomatter how deep you might think
you're in a hole.
Again, having been through BASand foreclosure, I promise you
there are brighter days andthings will improve.
Prove.
You just have to maintain thatbelief and that faith, and just
continue to work towards whatyou put on paper, in terms of
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what you said that you want thatfuture life to be like.
And if you do that, I promiseyou, I can guarantee you, that
you will turn things around andyou'll experience a
transformation.
Oh my gosh, those are so good.
Maybe you should be a preacher.
So, so, uh, context.
I did try it for a year.
Of course.
No, no, no.
Seriously, seriously.
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Like, so we do have a ministry.
Where every week, and it's onThursdays.
Today was the day that, we'vegot a couple of volunteers who
go pick up the food for us andthey drop it off.
And we only feed seniorcommunities that are fi 55 plus.
But we've got a couple ofvolunteers that does that for us
every single week.
But it started with me actuallybeing a pastor.
Oh, wow.
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And.
I still believe that my callingis ministry and to serve and
help people, and that's why westill do the food ministry
component.
Mm-hmm.
But I stepped away from theplatform or the pulpit because I
realized that the transformationthat I personally have
experienced and the level ofunderstanding.
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And or belief in faith and what?
I believe in terms of certainwords that I've read in terms of
scripture, and I believe thesethings because of practically
applying them to my life.
Yeah.
So I know that they work.
I realized that in order for meto have the maximum impact, it
could not be in the context of achurch because the church and
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religion, puts you in a box.
Right.
That's fair.
Yeah.
The expectation is that youbehave a certain way, dress a
certain way, talk a certain way,think a certain way.
And I was just like, you're notgonna get me to certain way do
anything.
And so, we slowly pulled out ofit.
But yet again, we still serve,we still have our ministry and
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we still give back.
So yeah, that's where my abilityto kinda, do an inspirational or
pull a scripture out.
That's where that comes from.
Yeah, I think it works.
I think that having all thatpast experience and then now
hearing you speak and talkingwith you through this podcast is
like, I can see how you caninspire people and I get that
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feeling straight off the batfrom you.
Okay.
And the fact that you are justso open and, you know, basically
told our listeners so much.
'cause I think that your story.
And what you've gone throughwill resonate with our listeners
and people will be seen becauseyou've gone through so much that
anyone who's gone through anytype of ordeal like you have.
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They're like, oh, okay.
Well, yeah, I get Jay, you know,I was that person too.
And so I think your story makesa lot of people seen because of
how much you've gone through.
And so I really appreciate youcoming and sharing that with us.
Yeah, my pleasure, man.
That's, I mean, that's why we dothe work that we do.
That's why you do what you do,right.
To mm-hmm.
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Bring in people who can sharetheir stories and their
testimonies to be able to, freeor release other people from
whatever they might be goingthrough, or to help them kind of
navigate the landmines of lifeor business.
So, that's why we do the workthat we do, and I love it.
Awesome.
Okay, so we will have to like,have you back and catch up and
I'm sure you'll come back withlike, Whitney, I have five more
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chaotic stories for you.
Yeah.
Oh, trust me, I, look, I justwent on a small little pouch
today, right?
Like I've got a dump bag overhere with chaos.
I promise you.
Okay, next time.
Next time, bring all theluggage.
All right.
I'll bring it all, not just tocarry on.
Yeah, trust me, I got tons ofbaggage that I can bring with
me.
No, for sure.
For sure.
Well, thank you again for comingon the podcast and listeners, I
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will see you all in the nextone.
That's a wrap on another episodeof Caffeinated Chaos.
I hope you're leaving with alittle more clarity, a lot more
inspiration, and maybe even anextra shot of motivation.
If you love today's episode,don't forget to follow us.
Leave a review and share it witha friend who could use just a
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little chaos and caffeine intheir life.
Until next time, keep embracingthe mess.
Chase your dreams and make magichappen.
One caffeinated, chaotic momentat a time.
I will see you all soon.
Bye now.
Welcome to Caffeinated Chaos,where business deals happen
between diaper changes andfriendships are fueled by
caffeine.
I'm Whitney GaN, your host, andI'm here to talk all things
business parenthood, and ofcourse keeping up with the BFFs,
whether you're juggling theboardroom, the playroom, or just
here for some coffee fuel chaos.
We've got you covered.
Get ready for real talk, laughsand a whole lot of heart as we
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dive into the beautiful messthat is entrepreneurship,
parenthood, and everything inbetween.
So let's embrace the chaostogether.
Ated, of course.
I am excited to introducetoday's guest, Jay Jackson.
Jay is a transformationalleader, business strategist, and
systems expert who went from anoverworked and underpaid to
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building a life of freedom,working just five hours a day
while helping others elevatetheir impact, income, and
authority.
He's the creator of the catalystsystem and a master at making
success simple, sustainable, andpurpose driven.
Get ready.
'cause this conversation ispacked with wisdom you do not
wanna miss.
Grab those cups of coffee, finda comfy spot, and let's welcome
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Jay to the podcast.
Welcome to the podcast, Jay.
How are you doing today?
I'm doing outstanding.
Thank you for having me on.
Yeah.
Oh my gosh, I'm so excited.
Listeners, we talked a littlebit before we started hitting
record, and Jay and I have somany parallels going on with
like locations we've been in,places we've lived that it's
(01:31):
awesome.
I can't wait to get started.
But first, before I get too farinto it, Jay, why don't you tell
our listeners a little bit aboutyourself?
Yeah, well, I'm probably likemost of your listeners, just a
guy who loves family and, youknow, things that I'm passionate
about in terms of serving andhelping people.
Mm-hmm.
I'm a young little country boy,is what I like to tell people
from, originally fromBirmingham, Alabama.
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You probably can't tell, by theway that I talk, but every now
and then a little twang mightfall out.
But I am a military brat.
My stepfather was in the Navy,and so we traveled across this
country Before graduating highschool, I had lived in seven
different states.
Wow.
Then I guess I was a gluttonfor, uh, chaos and, instability
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so much that I turned around andjoined the Air Force and did 15
years in the Air Force myself.
And so I lived in multiplecountries, visited multiple
countries, loved everythingabout it.
But, and unfortunately, likemost people, whenever a major
corporation does a downsizing,in this case, the Department of
Defense cut 250,000 people backin 2014, and unfortunately, I
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was one of those 250,000, and soI had to find my next
opportunity.
I was pretty devastated whenthis happened because of course,
you know, you put your life onthe line for something literally
that mm-hmm.
Believed in, uh, only for it tosay, Hey, your service no, are
no longer wanted.
So it was pretty devastating forme.
A lot of PTSD, chaos, as I'msure we're gonna talk, you know,
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about here shortly.
Yeah.
Just completely, you know,changed my life but I'm grateful
I.
I'm grateful for the entireexperience because now looking
back, I wouldn't be able to haveamazing conversations like this
with you.
Mm-hmm.
Or meet some of the amazingpeople that I've been able to
meet and do some of the coolthings that I've been able to
do.
So, kind of in a, in a nutshell,that's me.
But I'm sure we'll unpack a lotof that a little bit as we get
into our conversation.
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Now you are an entrepreneur.
Yeah.
And so you work with leaders inthe industry, right?
Specifically just helpingcoaches, thought leaders and
experts, create a system so thatthey can get leads and sales
consistently, uh, to work lessin their business while
profiting more, becauseobviously we started our
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businesses.
Mm-hmm.
So we can have time andfinancial freedom.
Not that we're, you know, stuckin the trenches, you know,
dealing with technology and allthe things that, you know, we
struggle with when it comes tobuilding an online business.
I've basically been able tocrack several of the codes and
so now I just go back and Iteach and help people avoid the
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mistakes or, the waste of timeor even the waste of money.
Yeah.
They don't have to go throughthe same process that I went
through.
Oh, I love that.
I am a systems girl through andthrough.
I love it.
See another pill.
I love this.
This is gonna be cool.
Yeah, it's gonna be cool.
I love systems.
I feel like ever since, I don'tknow, maybe.
High school, college.
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I just like, I just lovetinkering with stuff too, and,
and trying to figure it out.
And it's so awesome that you'rehelping other people.
My listeners probably know thisstory like a hundred percent
already, but like my life skillsteacher back in high school, she
always taught us that like as werose to reach back and pull
someone up with us.
And so I love the fact thatlike.
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Your business and the way thatyou are is helping those to
also, you know, like you said,have more freedom, not so much
of the headache of trying tofigure out the backend system by
implementing what you alreadyknow and teaching it to the next
generation or the next.
A wave of entrepreneurs forsure.
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Yeah.
It's just like I've always hadthe mentality of service, right?
Yeah.
So growing up in church as ayoung kid, I told you I was a
Navy brat, so that's, we served,I joined the Air Force Service
and so I.
It was, for me, it was, it's, Ialmost, it's innate or deeply,
you know, programmed orconditioned into me to serve and
help people.
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And so I just try to be what Iwish I had.
Right?
Yeah.
And so I think sometimes we missout on, what I think is our
purpose, our mission or ourcalling, because we just
sometimes, fail to realize howpowerful our own experiences
are.
When it comes to being able toserve and help other people.
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And so, I tell people all thetime, it's very selfish.
So if I do something for you andit makes you feel good, like
Bravo, but I promise you Ididn't really do it to make you
feel good.
I did it to, it makes me feelreally good to, to help people,
to help see people smile or tonot have to, you know, be
stressed or frustrated oranything like that.
That fuels me, that, that lightsme up inside.
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I kind of geek out on it.
I love that.
It's very much a win-win for theboth of you too.
Hundred percent.
Did you start this because ofthe layoffs and then you had to
pivot to find, or was it likeyou did something else and then
eventually you had this ahamoment?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
When I first transitioned out,my plan was to start an upscale
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lounge.
I was, oh, okay.
Yeah.
I was in middle Georgia, whichis where I got outta the Air
Force at.
And in that particular area,while I was in the Air Force, we
would have to either drive toAtlanta hour and a half drive.
And then of course if you, werebrave enough soul to have a few
beverages and drive back, you'ddrive an hour and a half back.
Sometimes we would spend thenight in Atlanta, but then after
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a while, I became a full-timesingle dad after going through
my divorce.
A lot of the.
Friends we were single and someof them were single moms and
single dads as well.
And so it was just like, Hey,it's impossible for us to keep
traveling to Atlanta.
Oh, yeah.
Getting a hotel room and thennow we have to find childcare,
but we're all friends, so how dowe, like who's gonna watch our
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kids if we're all trying to goup and party and have a good
time?
Yeah, exactly.
What we started to do is Istarted to do like an open mic
night on base.
And it was amazing.
Like everyone loved it becauseyou didn't have to travel to the
city to have a good time.
That's so cool.
And still, you know, have datenights and things like that.
And so when I got out, the planwas to start this upscale lounge
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'cause there wasn't one there.
But I was very, naive in myunderstanding around exactly how
much capital I would need inorder to start it, and then what
it would take to actuallyoperate it.
Like, yes, I could get people inthe door and I had proven that
with like the open mic night,and I could keep a crowd, you
know, excited the entire time.
But the overhead expenses of,you know, one, getting a place
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built out and retrofitted for,food costs, liquor license, all
the things.
Yeah.
And so at that time I was like,Hey, I can't afford this, but I
gotta figure out a way to makesome money and, keep the
mortgage paid.
And I wasn't able to do that.
Like I, I lost my home toforeclosure, went through
bankruptcy, lost custody of mykids, and in that moment, that's
where I had to go through my owntransformation experience where.
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I had to reinvent myself becausethere was a time where I thought
I was an Air Force member,right?
Like, that's who I am.
That's my identity.
And so now I had to learn how tobe a civilian because I joined
the Air Force at 19, and I wasstill a kid in a knucklehead
when I joined.
And so I knew nothing aboutbeing a civilian as an adult.
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And so, you know, I had to one,learn how to be a civilian, but
now I have to learn how to be acivilian as an adult, and then
now I gotta, mm-hmm.
How do I go out here and huntbecause I've never had to hunt
before.
Because the Air Force literallyfirst and 15th gave me a
paycheck, right?
And so one day I was out andabout and I gave you all of that
to kind of bring you to how Igot started.
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Of course, now, one day I was,in the local community where I
lived.
Macon, Georgia.
And I would just go todifferent, like community events
or community activities.
So if they had like a businessnetworking event, you know, I
would attend.
Or if they had a small businessweek, I would attend.
And one day I was having aconversation with a young lady
and she basically asked me wherewas I from?
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And I said, I'm from Birmingham,Alabama.
And she's like, no, you don'tsound like you're from
Birmingham.
And I was like, no, I get it.
I said, but I'm also,transitioning outta the Air
Force.
And she's like, ah, that's it.
She's like, you don't, youdefinitely don't sound like
you're from around here, and youdefinitely don't think like
anybody around here.
And so that was a huge shock forme because.
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I really didn't hang out with alot of civilians because when
you're, you know, when you're ina culture or a tribe Yeah.
Community, you really associateright.
With the people that, that yourock with.
And so I didn't hang out with alot of civilians.
And so when she said this, I hadlike this kind of a mind blowing
epiphany, moment where I waslike, whoa, there's a huge
difference between the waymilitary members think and
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operate versus civilians.
And so I saw that as anopportunity to be able to say,
okay, there are people who, forlack of a better term, lack I
guess, and no pun intended, thatlack some things that I have.
And I saw that as a way for meto be able to say, oh, okay,
well, I've got some education,some training, some experience
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that I can take from my militarytime and then go into whether
it's small businesses,nonprofits, or even government
organizations.
And serve and add value.
And so that's really where, thebirth of what I currently do was
born, it started out leadershipdevelopment, a little life
coaching mixed in.
And then I ran in, I went to aconference and I met a guy at
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this conference in 2016 and hestarted to talk about the
importance of systems in yourbusiness.
Mm-hmm.
And I, mm-hmm.
Stood the concept very wellbecause air traffic control,
which is what I did while in themilitary, is built on the
system, right?
Mm-hmm.
So it's about safe and efficientflow of air traffic and
everything is always aboutcreating a plan that allows you
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to work within the parameters ofthe FAA, which is the Federal
Aviation Administration to howto work within their system.
And from a system,infrastructure.
Blockchain, you know, kind offlow of things.
I, I fully understood it.
The problem I had though is Ididn't know how to bring it all
together from an online techwith workflows and automations
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and triggers and all the things.
Yeah.
And that was my journey, right?
I dove headfirst into it.
I had to figure it out.
Made a lot of mistakes, lost alot of money, to the tens of
thousands of dollars and to theyears.
I also look at it as tuitionpaid.
Like I had to go through thosethings, so that other people
don't have to go through it.
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And kind of long put a button onthat story.
That's how I got here.
That's how I got started.
And that's literally how, youknow why I love what I do.
Is that enough chaos for you bythe way?
That Oh my God.
That is like so much chaos.
I was like, well, we don't evenhave to ask about chaos anymore.
Look, hey, I grew up domesticviolence, so that stepfather
that I referred to earlier, wewere a DV family, and so I, I
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get chaos.
We moved every one to two years,and so there was no stability.
I fully understand chaos.
Mm-hmm.
And so then to go, into themilitary and be able to, I don't
say be able to.
I guess it kinda look, dependson how you look at it.
I never thought I'd go tocountries like Baghdad or go to
Africa, but unfortunately whilethere, you're in chaos, right?
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You're in war zone.
And so, I think I've got mydegree, uh, PhD in chaos, so I
can definitely speak to it.
You've definitely majored in it100%.
Oh my gosh.
Okay.
I love that you were talkingabout how you were figuring out
with building the systems withinthe system.
And because I had this oneclass, and I think that you
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might enjoy this, but like, Ihave this one class back in
college.
I'm a psych major, so I did 10years, working in the mental
health field.
But before that, when I was incollege, I took this one class,
and this is one that was justsimply for the like systems
geeky girl inside me where I wasjust like.
It was called like psychologyand the visual eye.
Okay.
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So it was all about how peopleperceive mm-hmm.
The world around them.
Mm-hmm.
And how, like signs are madethat automatically, like as we
grew up, we learn what thatmeans.
We know what the yield signmeans, we know what a stop sign
means, even if it's just the redhexagon and not the word stop
for sure.
So like now part of when I helppeople write like playbooks and
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backend systems, I'm just like,oh, well yes, all your content
is there, but your employees arenot gonna understand this or
their eyes are gonna gloss overbecause you're not visually
making it appeasing to thebrain.
Mm-hmm.
For sure.
So I love that.
I love now that I can makesystems with psychology and the
fact that you've taken whatyou've learned in your
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experience in the Air Force and,you know, going through the
chaotic life that you've had sofar is, that you are now in this
position where you can helppeople not have as much chaos as
you did.
And our listeners, if you are,if you're counting, we've saved
chaos like a gazillion times.
This episode might end up beinglike a drinking game at one
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point.
Let's do it.
Let's do it.
So.
Let's take a quick little shift.
Let's shift to if somebody ishearing your story and
resonating with what you aresaying, what's like a good, like
first step, you know, ifsomeone's like, okay, I'm
hearing you, I think I'm readyto like, start moving my
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business to either free up sometime, or, make it more impactful
without the stress and the extrawork.
What's a good first step thatyou would suggest to them?
Yeah.
So the first thing is get clearon what you do want, right?
Mm-hmm.
Like what lifestyle do you want?
For example, do you want to havemore time in the evening to
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where you can be present, whenyour kids get home from school?
Or are you a homeschool parentand you need to have a business
to where during the day.
You can actually, be presentwith your kids and be the
instructor or educator that theyneed you to be.
And then you operate yourbusiness in the evening.
Are you the business owner whosays, you know what, I don't
have any kids at all.
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However, I do have a significantother, or I'm single, but this
is the lifestyle that I want tolive.
This is how much money I want tomake.
This is the kind of place that Iwant to live in.
This is the kind of car I wantto drive.
These are the kind of peoplethat I want to work with.
Just kind of put that, get thatstuff out of your head and
literally put it on paper,literally.
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And the reason being is becausewhen we have so much clutter or
chaos going on in our minds,it's impossible.
Yeah.
Wants to take the necessaryactions that we need to take
because that confused minddoesn't take action.
Right.
And you mm-hmm.
Probably better understand itand can diagnose it better than
I can as a psych major.
At the end of the day, once weget it out of our head and we
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put it on paper, it comes tolife.
Right?
Yeah.
And I'm not.
There's some spiritualityaspects to it as well, right, in
terms of getting it outta yourhead and putting it on paper.
But at the end of the day, onceyou put it on paper and you've
got that type of clarity, it's alot easier for you to be able
to, set your boundaries.
And become non-negotiable aboutcertain things.
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So, for example, I no longer,you know, associate with certain
people, because it's outside ofthe new lifestyle.
I want live or I no longer,attend certain events or go into
certain environments becausethey're no longer supportive or
conducive for this new lifestylethat I want to live.
So the very first thing is justget clear on exactly what you
want, because once you have thatclarity, you know exactly what
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actions to take and what actionsnot to take.
That is so good.
I am a big fan of alsophysically writing like pen to
paper too.
I know some people will like.
Put it on their notes and allthat.
And I don't know, for mepersonally, something about
like, literally writing it out,really does, like you said, it
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has this like, kind of likespiritual like transformation
that you're just closing.
I know like, natalie Ellis callsit, closing the tabs in your
head, I love that we all, Ihave, like, I'm looking at my
computer as we record, and I'mlike, I have like 20, 20 tabs
open right now.
Many, yeah, for sure.
Yeah.
Same here.
Same here.
Yeah.
If you're an entrepreneur with,and you don't have 20 tabs open,
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yeah.
You're doing something wrong.
You're doing something wrong, oryou're.
So, right, you are like, you'vewon being an entrepreneur.
Yeah, absolutely.
And yeah, I think what you'resaying is like a first step too,
is a lot of people, you knowhave these like, oh, I want
this, I want that.
But if you don't write it down,if you don't see it, you know,
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how are you gonna make it cometo life?
Because eventually your brainwill get so clustered that.
This thing that you want isgonna get so pushed back that
you're not gonna be able to seeit anymore.
So I'm not a theologian or apreacher or anything like that.
Yeah, I maybe a couple times in,in a past life, but, there's
something about specifically,there's a bible verse that's,
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Habakkuk two and two.
And it says, write the vision,make it plain so that he who
sees it can run with it.
And I know there are a lot oftimes we hear, you know,
scriptures like that and it'sdifficult for us to understand
like, how do I practically applythis particular scripture to my
life?
And that's literally what we'retalking about.
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Like you talked earlier about.
The importance of when it comesto writing things down, there's
a transformation that occurs.
Mm-hmm.
And so one of the things that Ido, myself, and I teach this to
my clients as well, is whateveryour goals are, right?
We're gonna start with thelarger goal of, whatever it is
you want to achieve in the next.
10 years.
But then of course, as they say,how do you eat an elephant?
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One bite at a time.
So we break that down intobite-sized chunks and we'll
break it down to a granularlevel to where once we get to
the daily activities that arenecessary for you to achieve
that ultimate 10 year goal,that's when we begin to say
every single day, yes.
Every single day, you're goingto get up and you're going to
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write your goals down.
And the reason why you do thatis because what you begin to do
is you begin to condition yourmind to look for ways in order
for you to achieve whateverthose goals might be.
And so once you do that, youbasically activate your
reticular activated system.
And once you activate yourreticular activated system, you
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begin to see, so for example,people have, probably seen, or I
go out and I buy this white car.
Well, before buying this whitecar, I never even saw white cars
in that model before.
And all of a sudden now I startto see the same yes, same model
everywhere.
And you're like, oh my God, Ishould have never got this car.
'cause everyone's got it.
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They were always there.
But because you didn't activateyour reticular activator system
until you actually purchased thecar yourself, you didn't notice
'em.
Oh, it's so funny that you bringup the story.
I literally, when I waspregnant, with my first kid, I
was just like, oh, okay.
Like I'm pregnant and then allof a sudden not counting, you
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know, being at the OB clinic,but all of a sudden out in
public, I'm like, oh my God,there's like a million pregnant
people in this, like in ourtown.
And I'm like.
Are we all gonna have babies atthe same time?
And I'm just like, I swear, likeI maybe saw like one or two,
pregnant women at Target and allof a sudden now I'm just like,
every aisle I'm just like.
Am I, you know, you start seeingit, right?
(21:02):
Yeah.
You know, not to, belittle or bedemeaning at all, but those
pregnant women were everywherethe entire time.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You're totally right.
It's like once you get somethingor like you've.
You've zoned in on it.
Mm-hmm.
Then all of a sudden, that's allyour brain starts seeing it
everywhere.
Like you said, they were alwaysthere.
Always there.
You just, your brain wasn'tactivated to it.
(21:25):
So I don't wanna run out oftime, do you wanna tell our
listeners about your workshopthat you, have.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So, the work, less to Profit,more Masterclass.
Right now we're doing them onceper month.
It's a two hour literallymasterclass, a deep dive where I
literally break down what we've,tailored as the catalyst system.
It is specifically designed tohelp, online entrepreneurs who
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sell their knowledge just breakfree from the busy work.
So that they can scale theirbusiness and enjoy more profits
without them doing all of thework.
And I think at the, again, it'sjust about creating, leverage,
helping people create an asset,that generates revenue so that
they can do the things that theylove.
It could be to, better supportyour church, your favorite
charity to take care of familymembers to take care of kids in
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college.
Or take your dream vacationearnest money for your dream
home, or buy your dream car,what you know, whatever it is.
Because we all have differentdesires based on where we are,
you know, in our life journey.
But at the end of the day, it'sabout helping you, just create
an asset.
So you don't have to worryabout, Hey, when is my, where's
my next client gonna come from?
How do I generate leads?
(22:33):
And then how do I, you know, getsales without being salesy,
sleazy, or manipulative?
And so I basically break down,the psychology and the strategy
behind that, in an onlinecontext mm-hmm.
So that people can make moremoney and have that time
freedom.
Awesome.
Love that.
So Jay, if someone is reallyresonating with everything that
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you're saying, how can theyconnect with you?
Where can they find you on?
I am on every single socialmedia platform that you can
think of.
Maybe not Snapchat.
But yeah.
So Snapchat still exist?
I think so.
I don't know.
I don't, oh my gosh.
I haven't seen Snapchat forever.
Yeah.
On Facebook and, LinkedIn.
(23:17):
You can just find me as JayJackson.
Same thing on Instagram.
So Jay Jackson on Instagram.
My handle, though, on Instagramis at Disruptive Leaders
Alliance.
Because we're all aboutdisruptive leadership.
If you're on YouTube as well,I've got two YouTube channels,
the Disruptive LeadershipPodcast and j Jackson is
business systems.
(23:38):
Awesome.
And listeners, as always, I willput all those, links and
information down in our podcastnotes so you can go grab them
there.
Obviously if you are driving,don't do that now, but
definitely you want to connect,you can grab those links down
below.
So Jay J of course, we'rewrapping up, so any closing
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thoughts you have for ourlisteners.
Yeah, just no matter, twothings.
I guess, kind of two closingthoughts.
No matter how good you thinkthings are right now, at any
moment they can become chaoticand I hope my story and sharing
that with you earlier.
Help you see that no one issafe, no matter what you are
currently doing right now.
(24:19):
And I think entrepreneurshipgives you the best opportunity
to have freedom to makedecisions that you wanna make
with your life.
Mm-hmm.
So, be proactive, you know, setyourself up, create some systems
or a side hustle or, you know,go all in on your side hustle,
so that no one can come in anddisrupt your life.
So that's.
Part one or first thought.
And my second thought is if youare currently in the chaos,
(24:42):
right?
If you're currently pulling yourhair out, going through a
divorce, fired from a job, thedeath you know of a family
member that you love, just trustand believe that everything is
always going to be okay.
There's a cliche out there andI.
Say it's a cliche because peoplekind of toss it around with
without, I don't thinkunderstanding it.
Mm-hmm.
But that cliche is that theuniverse has your back or, you
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know, everything is working outfor your good.
Mm-hmm.
And I truly believe that to bethe case.
I've had several experiences inmy life.
I've talked to you aboutdomestic violence growing up.
I talked to you about being letgo from my, what I.
Thought was my career, butrealize now it's just a job.
Yeah.
And I even almost my daughteralmost died during Covid where
she had to be put on aventilator.
So I'm saying these things froma place of experience.
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When I say that no matter whatyou're going through, no matter
how chaotic it might feel, nomatter how deep you might think
you're in a hole.
Again, having been through BASand foreclosure, I promise you
there are brighter days andthings will improve.
Prove.
You just have to maintain thatbelief and that faith, and just
continue to work towards whatyou put on paper, in terms of
(25:48):
what you said that you want thatfuture life to be like.
And if you do that, I promiseyou, I can guarantee you, that
you will turn things around andyou'll experience a
transformation.
Oh my gosh, those are so good.
Maybe you should be a preacher.
So, so, uh, context.
I did try it for a year.
Of course.
No, no, no.
Seriously, seriously.
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Like, so we do have a ministry.
Where every week, and it's onThursdays.
Today was the day that, we'vegot a couple of volunteers who
go pick up the food for us andthey drop it off.
And we only feed seniorcommunities that are fi 55 plus.
But we've got a couple ofvolunteers that does that for us
every single week.
But it started with me actuallybeing a pastor.
Oh, wow.
(26:29):
And.
I still believe that my callingis ministry and to serve and
help people, and that's why westill do the food ministry
component.
Mm-hmm.
But I stepped away from theplatform or the pulpit because I
realized that the transformationthat I personally have
experienced and the level ofunderstanding.
(26:50):
And or belief in faith and what?
I believe in terms of certainwords that I've read in terms of
scripture, and I believe thesethings because of practically
applying them to my life.
Yeah.
So I know that they work.
I realized that in order for meto have the maximum impact, it
could not be in the context of achurch because the church and
(27:13):
religion, puts you in a box.
Right.
That's fair.
Yeah.
The expectation is that youbehave a certain way, dress a
certain way, talk a certain way,think a certain way.
And I was just like, you're notgonna get me to certain way do
anything.
And so, we slowly pulled out ofit.
But yet again, we still serve,we still have our ministry and
(27:33):
we still give back.
So yeah, that's where my abilityto kinda, do an inspirational or
pull a scripture out.
That's where that comes from.
Yeah, I think it works.
I think that having all thatpast experience and then now
hearing you speak and talkingwith you through this podcast is
like, I can see how you caninspire people and I get that
(27:54):
feeling straight off the batfrom you.
Okay.
And the fact that you are justso open and, you know, basically
told our listeners so much.
'cause I think that your story.
And what you've gone throughwill resonate with our listeners
and people will be seen becauseyou've gone through so much that
anyone who's gone through anytype of ordeal like you have.
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They're like, oh, okay.
Well, yeah, I get Jay, you know,I was that person too.
And so I think your story makesa lot of people seen because of
how much you've gone through.
And so I really appreciate youcoming and sharing that with us.
Yeah, my pleasure, man.
That's, I mean, that's why we dothe work that we do.
That's why you do what you do,right.
To mm-hmm.
(28:36):
Bring in people who can sharetheir stories and their
testimonies to be able to, freeor release other people from
whatever they might be goingthrough, or to help them kind of
navigate the landmines of lifeor business.
So, that's why we do the workthat we do, and I love it.
Awesome.
Okay, so we will have to like,have you back and catch up and
I'm sure you'll come back withlike, Whitney, I have five more
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chaotic stories for you.
Yeah.
Oh, trust me, I, look, I justwent on a small little pouch
today, right?
Like I've got a dump bag overhere with chaos.
I promise you.
Okay, next time.
Next time, bring all theluggage.
All right.
I'll bring it all, not just tocarry on.
Yeah, trust me, I got tons ofbaggage that I can bring with
me.
No, for sure.
For sure.
Well, thank you again for comingon the podcast and listeners, I
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will see you all in the nextone.
That's a wrap on another episodeof Caffeinated Chaos.
I hope you're leaving with alittle more clarity, a lot more
inspiration, and maybe even anextra shot of motivation.
If you love today's episode,don't forget to follow us.
Leave a review and share it witha friend who could use just a
(29:43):
little chaos and caffeine intheir life.
Until next time, keep embracingthe mess.
Chase your dreams and make magichappen.
One caffeinated, chaotic momentat a time.
I will see you all soon.
Bye now.
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