February 6, 2025 • 56 mins
Well those ol' Cage Match boys are back up to their antics. Do we even get around to talking about 1987's Coen classic Raising Arizona and Cher masterpiece Moonstruck? Who knows... But we definitely talk about Goosebumps, Ghostriders, Splash, and dog balls of course. The Master Eight continues in fine fashion. This is Cage Match.
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Oh, God.
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Oh, my God.
Oh, neat.
And we're only missing one thing.
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Uh, it wouldn't be a Moonstruck episode without sparkling wine and sugar cubes.
True.
Which Nick got in a solid brick of sugar cubes.
Yeah, they don't apparently distribute 30 cubes anymore.
You have to buy like 120.
It's ridiculous.
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Well, you can be like John and just have like the Werther's in your pocket, but instead it's just like loose sugar cubes gradually breaking down.
Just start befriending horses all over the place.
Exactly.
All right. Cheers.
Happy Moonstruck.
Yeah.
Oh, but also Horn Quack is going to be down here this week, apparently.
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Oh, nice.
He's taking a vacation.
I don't know if he's looked at the weather, but it's going to snow.
So that'll be fun for him.
He's going to have a miserable time.
Is he having a vacation with his girlfriend, not girlfriend?
Or is it a solo vacation?
Yeah, Portland is usually the the quality of vacation he would bring Sam on.
That's what I was thinking, too.
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It's like, yeah, we're going to go to Vancouver, Washington.
Have you found any like particularly bad ass things to do or eat or anything like axe throwing or axe eating or eating?
Yeah, yeah.
Pretty bad ass.
Yeah, right. Unicycle throwing, axe eating.
I've found some pretty great restaurants through time left.
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There was a bar we went to on Wednesday after dinner that had I got a Goosebumps book at one of those vending machines.
Yes. What kind of Goosebumps book?
Tell me about it.
Haunted Mask 2.
I'm halfway through it.
I can say as an adult, it being almost 30 years since I've read a Goosebumps book.
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Goosebumps.
I've read it before, but it's a kid's book.
It's incredibly horny.
Still so much fun.
And I definitely have read this one because I'm like, like I'm, you know, I mean, one, it's a kid's book, so it's not hard to predict what's going to happen.
But I'm like, I definitely remember the concrete soccer ball prank.
Oh, snap. That's rude.
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I like to ask coworkers and especially apprentices what their favorite Goosebumps book was.
The Camp Jelly Jam book.
I don't know if I remember that one.
It had like a big blob monster that was like, do you remember the kids or something at the camp?
Yeah. Camp Jelly Jam.
Twice this week, I needed to ask for help from an adult in my outings in the city.
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One was to get the Goosebumps book.
One was to get the Goosebumps book.
I like bought it.
Did you have to do it like a claw game?
No, it was it was just a vending machine and like came out.
But the way the flap worked, it was like it had a wedge.
So you couldn't like your hand like once it was up, you couldn't get your hand in there.
But because the book fell like straight down, the wedge would just hit the book and you couldn't actually get it out.
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So my friend Tiffany, I were like, what the fuck are we going to do?
I'm like, I might have to break this thing open.
We're going to have to run.
But yeah, I asked the bartender and she's like, yeah, this happens a lot.
Our Goosebumps books are always getting jammed.
Jelly jammed.
And the other one was that the other one was at Powell's books.
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It was a big book week.
They had a copy of Earth X, which I've been looking for for Marvel.
And it was on a shelf just just a little bit higher than I could reach.
Like I was just exactly what I imagined.
I was like, was it too tall?
Just from being able to like touch the bottom of the book.
So I went to I went to the help counter and they're like, how can we help you?
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And I'm like, I need an adult.
And then the tallest lady got it for me and that was hot.
Ah, that's just another reason for wearing bigger heels.
So you should start practicing with stripper heels.
There you go. Big chunky.
This is about being able to reach things up high.
Yeah, don't make it weird. Come on, Portland.
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Yeah, just a dude rolling around in stripper heels.
Don't don't worry about it.
I was wearing my high boots.
Still too high. Still too tall.
Still too tall. Yeah, that'll happen.
Yeah, I like that you got an Amazon to help you, though.
Did you then like cradle you and carry you back to the
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hot check out? That's the dream.
That really is what I'm looking for.
I'm looking for a woman who can finish my fights for me because I,
as you know, I talk a lot of shit and I cannot back it up.
Someone who can fold you like laundry and finish your fights.
I like it. Oh, I like being tossed around.
What? Yeah, that is probably for the best.
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That you find someone like that. Yeah, exactly.
Like you said, you need somebody who can baby
Bjorn you, but as a full house.
Oh, man, that'd be so cool.
You're a little cranky. You just get put in the baby Bjorn
and you're like, oh,
really listening to ourselves, the podcasts,
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really listening to ourselves when we're doing
whatever our last episode was, it's how much I'm like,
this fucking week has sucked.
But I really listen when listening to whatever went up against
Conair, went up against Spirit of On John's, I believe, at one point.
Mm hmm. On John's.
Von John's. But just talking about.
I enjoyed hearing us talk about our various hell vehicles and how I.
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Oh, yeah. Yeah.
Nick, every once in a. Yeah.
Every once in a while, I look at something and I'm like,
I could ghostwriter that I could just like set it on fire
and roll down the street with it.
Like what was what's the most recent thing you've seen that you thought of?
Oh, I think it was just like a large dog.
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Why would you roll the dog?
I mean, if it's on fire, I guess it's not going.
Everything turns into wheels. Yeah. Yeah.
The feet just turn into big flaming wheels.
And it's happening in the first one. Yeah.
But that's because the first one wasn't as good as the second one.
That is fucking true. That is really true.
Yeah. One I hated and one I thought was great. Yeah.
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Yeah. Depending on the dog, different parts would be fiery.
Maybe fiery eyes, maybe just like some little flaky ears.
There's a YouTube channel I watch.
I can't remember his nerd style trick or Captain Midnight,
but talked about how like ghostwriter there should how there should be like 20
ghostwriter movies by now, how this franchise really should sell itself.
And the only reason it really hasn't is because of Nicholas Cage,
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which is too bad because that would be the best.
I like if we had just three more like captive stories of
Nicholas Cage ghostwriter now like it.
There doesn't need to be big continuity like Ghostwriter doesn't have some big
character arc, right? Not really.
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Just the ghostwriter. Yeah.
Kind of like his whole vibe. Yeah.
Standalone films are terrific. It could be like Mad Max,
where they could be a very different like qualities and and stories.
And then like arguably one of your best ones could not even be about the title
character and no one went and saw it. And now the franchise is dead again.
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My favorite thing about the Mad Max films was always that it was.
Other people telling stories of Max. Yeah.
So it's like how Max interacts with the greater apocalypse world.
Yeah. Or that it might not even be the same person and just he's become like
the Johnny Appleseed of the fucking hell back. Yeah, exactly.
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So he's just like a big story and that's fun.
And I think it's a great way to excuse like changing the actor whenever you feel
like it, whenever one of them like says something super exactly gets canceled.
It's like, oh, OK, not even in the apocalypse.
Can you complain about the anti-Semitic? Yeah.
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Benjamin Franklin Gates is finally out of the cone of shame.
Has he discovered that his balls are missing yet?
Has he taken a look down there? He was he was aware immediately.
I had taken back for his like one week check or his one week
check yesterday, and he was not happy to be back there.
Bad things happen. Bad things happen at the vet.
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My dog has never really cared about going back to the vet afterwards.
They're fine with it. That's where other dogs are.
So they get to smell where all the other dogs are.
Then they always come home with cat hair and dog hair all over them.
I notice an absence of balls here, though. Yeah.
Yeah. The fucking weirdest part, though, Ben, never been a humper.
Now that he doesn't have testicles, fucking the humpin. Really?
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That's weird. Yeah. No, it was like I know what I've lost.
I was like getting ready for bed the other night and he just like fucking
cone on like tried to Mount Rose and all three of us looked shocked at what was happening.
He didn't even seem to know what or why he was doing it.
Yeah. Just like unlocked some deep muscle memory.
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Just in denial about the whole thing.
Well, did you guys want to talk about Moonstruck or Raising Arizona first?
I want to talk about in Raising Arizona. Well, here's the movie.
I want to talk about how just unhinged that world really is.
And how does high exist in it?
Like high is the only normal person in that movie in that entire like world.
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Kind of normal. Yeah.
I mean, he is very much a larger than life human.
The way he hits on the the.
The person taking his photos, slapping his butt.
He's a dumb dumb and he doesn't meet.
He's, you know, a handsome dummy who doesn't get to meet a lot of people
and, you know, fucking small town.
Yeah. Everybody kind of exists in like a decreased mental like maturity state.
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Yeah. Nobody's really ready to be an adult in that film.
Oh, yeah. Like no one on this podcast is ready to be an adult.
So let's, you know, cast aspersions here.
Not not true. I'm ready to be four adults in one trench coat.
Yeah. Four small adults in a trench coat.
That's what I've always been.
Two of them are dick.
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Those are the two that control the mouth.
Those two also control the mouth. The dick is the mouth.
Yeah. As it is designed. Yeah.
Yeah. You should watch me eat spaghetti.
But no, Sean, I think you do have a good point, though.
Like, I mean, hi is also over the top, but like everybody in that movie
is just like such a caricature. They're so, so.
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Why is he is the straight man?
He is the only person who like really pushes things and not pushes things forward.
Like he's along. He's he's really just along for the ride.
But even like Ed, her performance, great.
But it's just like it's so wild and like everyone else cages out in this movie.
And cage is kind of the most like just relaxed individual who's just who has no control.
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He's just there for it.
Like he is our audience surrogate to an extent.
He's definitely the the tracks that the train is riding.
Yeah, that's exactly like it's really hit me this time watching it during the chase sequence
because it never I never tripped on the fact that the grocery store clerk just starts blasting.
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He's not involved in the chase whatsoever.
He just starts shoot like shooting off.
He's just like, there's some sort of crime going on here.
Yeah, he's been itching for it. Yeah.
Yeah. And just like, oh, that's the world.
Asia high existent.
Yeah, I really enjoyed rewatching it again.
I was watching these on the plane as I was flying to San Diego, and it was just so fun watching this movie.
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And I love the soundtrack. I love the crazy energy of it.
It's so like the facial work that cage does.
It's just it's really, really good. It's really fun.
Yeah. I mean, even beyond just Nicholas Cage films,
I think this film exists in like a high, high tier of comedies.
Yeah, especially comedies of like the 80s, where everything was kind of turning towards that like racy comedy like your porkies.
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Yeah, exactly.
This this elevates. Good job, Cohen brothers.
Yeah, no, I mean, this is such a great comedy.
I was re listening to our conversation with Alex about it and just like this is a this is a comedy where no one knows they're in a comedy.
Like everyone kind of plays their character so straight, even John Goodman, who's probably the most over the top, still kind of plays it pretty straight.
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Right. Like in the sense that no matter how wild they are, that's normal for the world.
Yeah. Yeah, it feels natural for all of them to be so much.
I do want to also talk on how this is one of Nicholas Cage's best physical performances, like his just physicality and so much of the humor of his characters really just and how he composes himself and how he moves through this world.
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And like I think of Nick Cage as an actor, I think of that bombastic, those weird like ticks and like vocal performances he does where he doesn't have a lot of that in this.
He has the accent, but so much of high is just his body.
And I loved it so much. And it was just so entertaining.
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One thing that kind of trips me up about this movie is just knowing that he and the Coens didn't get along.
And I really want to know what was like the backbreaker.
Like what was going on? What was he trying to bring to it that they were like?
No, dude. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. I haven't heard a lot of stories about their process from other films.
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So I don't know if they are like super rigid or if it seems like they have vision usually.
And it's like you probably have to fit pretty well into it.
It was pretty early in their career, too, though. And after something like what was that first film called Blood Simple?
Like that, that just didn't have as great of a reception as maybe they had hoped.
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Maybe they wanted to control that. Have a little more tight, tight grip on the entire thing.
You look at their filmography, you look at the types of movies they have done.
I get the feeling that they run a really tight chip.
Like what's on the what's on the page is on the page. And that's what they're going to film.
I can see them not being necessarily open to a lot of wild swings.
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Yeah. And I feel like Cage at this point in his career was more about wild swings and was more about that kind of like, you know, wild energy and being free and open.
And, you know, I think there was some probably more willingness to do improv work at that point in his career versus later.
Well, like when we talk, you know, like with Moonstruck, the other film that this is going up against right now.
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By the way, welcome back to Cage Metricullin around about meeting Nicolas Cage. I'm your host, Sean, here with my co-host Nick.
And I'm Nick. Peter. Hello. Nice job.
And in this we are in the master eight.
We have we're in the comedy section from our bracket going Moonstruck versus Raising Arizona.
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Like how we were just talking about it.
Peter, put that Peter, put that where it belongs in the episode, please.
Exactly here. I know where it belongs. Right next to my two adult dick.
Like with the other film that we're talking about this week with Moonstruck,
he got hired for that based on his fucking insane performance in Peggy Sue Got Married.
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Right. And Moonstruck and Raising Arizona both came out in 87.
So like you have those very there's much wilder swings of, you know, my hand to just very kind of.
Calm, good old boy.
Yeah, there was a lot of like interconnectivity between these two movies through our bracket, too,
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because Raising Arizona beat out Peggy Sue Got Married, which got him the role for Moonstruck.
It's like this kind of circular craziness of our own process on this bracket.
I also like that we in separate episodes talked about smoking indoors.
Oh, so in separate episodes for the different movies, we talked about the movie Splash.
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Yeah, incorrectly.
I love that every time we talk about mermaids and splash, we are thinking of the wrong one.
Yeah, it's always overboard.
For some reason, overboard with Goldie Hawn comes up a lot.
Let's go watch over board.
Yeah, I'll let Josie put it on and I'll just come in and out.
That's a Goldie Hawn cast. Yeah. Yeah.
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I was I just remembered I've been asking people this question and since it is February and pretty much the season of love now.
We've had discussions about vanilla penis, just single penis, and we've talked about two penis.
Are we talking claspers like sharks again?
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Well, it could be claspers or like just the the concept of like double stackers or side by side.
I've been thinking a lot more about three dicks and whether it's like vertical stack horizontal or triangle or like some triangle.
And then is it triangle one down or two down?
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I think it's like a spaceship gun or something that can rotate.
It rotates like a gatlin gun. Yeah.
So as you like blast, it's just like whack, whack, whack, whack, whack, whack, whack, whack, whack, whack.
Nice. I like that.
That'd be hard to control.
That'd be hard to whack off with. But I guess once you have three dicks, you don't have to whack off anymore.
You're made here. You've got a whole.
Got everything you need. Yeah.
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But I like the thought of three side by side, because then they would lay across your sack and down like a cuttlefish.
Oh, yeah. Tentacles on it. And then when you fart, they could ripple.
I like that. Yeah. That's how I think about it.
I fucked up not doing the intro now.
Yeah, exactly.
You could just say it again.
I can throw another one out there.
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Now, man, we're in good form.
Yeah.
Just just add one more adult between my other two adults down there.
I'm now five adults in a trench coat.
I will say I'm not recording on a Monday like a Monday immediately after I get off work is definitely helping my energy.
Yeah, there you go. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I know.
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So, OK, let's keep talking about raising Arizona for a bit and then we can pivot over to Moonstruck.
So raising a zone now.
That kid is that kid disappeared after this movie.
He never went into acting again. Oh, Nathan Jr. Yeah.
Interesting. I wonder what his residuals are like.
I wonder what a baby makes for a role.
And then what do they make long term for residual checks like that kid probably just gets a check every year.
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Probably I would I would assume based on the fact that they were kind of not well known directors.
And I don't think I don't know if that kid gets a check.
It's probably less than like less than it less than we can cash in a bank.
I don't know if that's going to be true.
I mean, like Rachel recorded on a Macklemore album and she's like in one part of one track and she makes like, I don't know, 30 bucks a year.
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That just comes as a residual check. It's like I think raising Arizona has more exposure in a lot of senses.
But I don't know. Well, it depends on the contract.
But yeah, I mean, we're getting into nitty gritties.
A two year old's not going to negotiate the contract.
Well, hopefully they didn't negotiate their own deal.
Or I guess off the topic of Nathan Jr.
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I was talking to my project manager the other day and we were talking about how we needed Damon Wayans to be our electrical inspector.
No. Yeah. Damon Wayans.
And he's like, yeah, it could be Damon Wayans.
And then his brother, Damon Wayans Jr. could.
And I was like, how do you think juniors work? Yeah.
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You think it's like also.
Well, he was the littler one.
But how would you feel if you were a younger brother and you were named for your brother?
Weirdly enough, it's like, oh, man, Steve was so good.
You're Steve, too. Yeah. You're just the junior.
Not new, Steve. But you have to live up to the Steve mantle.
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OK. We had Harry, Gary.
I think it was a Larry. It was a Larry, too.
I think Larry. Yeah. But like Harry, Larry, Barry, Gary, Jerry, you know, and Nathan Jr.
Yeah. They know where the love is.
Clearly one of those kids was favored.
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Yeah. That tells me that tells me they didn't know they were having five kids.
For Mrs. Arizona.
What was her name like Gladys or something? Oh, I don't even know.
Must have been the most boring. Like she just looks like a Gladys or a.
Terry. Constance.
Terry. It's a real fun film.
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I'm always going to love watching it.
It was it was a treat listening to all of our. Florence. Oh, Florence.
Oh, yeah. Obviously, Florence.
I was thinking about like my first view, my first couple of times watching this film
and definitely coming back to it, being so familiar with it now, getting out of
feeling like the need like that initial those initial watches were to critique the film
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and to like really have to form a strong opinion on the outset
and now just being able to like watch this movie for fun.
It's so good. It's just so entertaining.
And there's so much heart and character behind the whole thing.
And I think it's so good.
I think it's so good.
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I think it's so good.
I think it's so good.
Okay, I figured it out.
Florence. Lawrence. Larry.
Larry's named for the mom. There you go.
There we go. Okay.
Florence, Lawrence, Larry.
We can always we can finally move on.
Larry is short for Lawrence, right?
Sure. What would it be short for? Otherwise, old.
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I think it's the same kind of takeaway.
It's like the first time I watched it, I was like, I don't know.
Second time I was like, this is a cartoon and I love it.
Thanks to you guys.
And then since then, it's just like this is such a fun movie
and watching it on the airplane, like both seat people next to me were watching, too.
You know, it's like you just got drawn in, didn't have any audio,
but they're just like, yeah, good movie.
You know, I'm going to say I think Nicolas Cage makes the best airplane movies.
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I think you might be watching Nicolas Cage movie on an airplane
and somebody is going to be like, fuck, yeah, dude, this is exactly how my flight needed to go.
Unless it's City of Angels.
The 9-Eleven movie probably isn't a great one either.
That's a conversation starter.
That's true. Oh, with aviation nowadays, I don't know if I'd watch that.
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It's like I don't just taking notes.
This is bad.
I still want a cut of City of Angels where after he falls, he just speaks like fucking Latin
or fucking ancient Sumerian or just speaks some dead language because that's all he knows.
It's so funny that he speaks American English.
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I know. Well, should have been a Boston cop.
He falls and just has a Bostonian, a bad Boston accent.
He landed on his head.
When we do the game, I'm just going to do Boston cop for everything.
I'm pretty sure most cops were dropped on their head.
There's definitely something wrong with cops.
Well established theme.
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So let's see, Raising Arizona on its path here to the Master Eight.
It took out Trapped in Paradise, which I still think is kind of a low key banger, but stupid movie.
I liked it.
You are fucking definitely wrong.
I've thought about rewatching it.
I thought about rewatching it for Christmas.
I was going to bring it up and make my parents watch it.
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I think that movie is is not as bad as you guys made it out to be.
It is definitely bad.
I think. Yeah, I think it just got overshadowed hard.
Like maybe I should rewatch it.
I mean, I own it.
I wait, do I? I don't think I own that one.
That's one of the four that I don't have those for po boys.
Yeah. And then it took out Peggy Sue got married after that.
And then the probably its toughest go was The Weatherman, which great movie.
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Yeah, terrific. Going through the comedy bracket.
So few of these are like comedies.
Yeah, I mean, he has a couple of those romantic comedies.
He has a couple of true comedies, but most of them are just sort of like, I guess there's humor in here.
He's not being just like a somber dude.
Yeah, a little a little darker character, but still with a har har.
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In terms of like the actual bracket, like in terms of straight up comedies, we have this.
Our army of one in paradise.
Yeah. Trapped in Paradise was a comedy.
Yeah. I mean, Honeymoon in Vegas was a comedy, but it.
Honeymoon in Vegas. Yeah.
I have fond memories of Honeymoon in Vegas.
I just like Roy Bacon, man.
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That guy with the big fucking teeth. Oh, man. Yeah.
You know, I think more and more about how there aren't enough Elvis's in my life.
And I need to try to find a way to include more of them.
Also, I need to get that Elvis suit that I talked about. Absolutely.
Still sounds like a good idea.
Maybe it's like my Thursday night outfit. Yeah.
I like a good investment. Yeah.
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Josie will be vacuuming sequins out of all the couches and everything all the time.
Oh, my God. We had a friend give Cora these like angel fairy wings or something.
And they have all this sparkly shit in them.
And it is literally everywhere, every piece of clothing I have.
I look down and there's like one little sparkle.
God damn it. You know, I'll go to work and look in the mirror and there's like glitter on my face.
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Oh, my God. Yeah. You've been back at those strip clubs.
Wings. Yeah.
I. OK. I'm speaking of strip clubs.
Yeah, I'm very all over the place this morning.
But so for my birthday, like afterwards, we went to
one of the local gentleman's clubs,
and I have never been to a Washington strip club because I think they're stupid.
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And this was the most terrifying experience of my life.
Like, well, not necessarily that like they are threatening
and they are like predators when you go in there.
Like they it's a weird, like all open, big, like just space
with just chairs that you might find at like the VFW, like set up all over the place.
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And there are so many women working there.
And they're like, as soon as you sit down, one will be there and like, are you ready for a dance?
And I'm like, I sat down just now and like I haven't even gotten my black coffee
because I'm not allowed to drink in here. Exactly. I need some sort of thrill.
Yeah. And then she'll walk away and then immediately another one shows up.
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But it's like an unending stream.
And I'm like, I'm just going to drink my coffee and go like, I don't.
Also, it's weird drinking a gigantic mug.
It was an oversized coffee mug of black coffee.
I'm like, OK, this is maybe this was a strange choice, but I don't drink soda.
So it's like, was it hot coffee?
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I love that image of you getting like a dance with a hot coffee.
This hot coffee out of the way.
Yeah. Don't don't spill it on me.
Everyone will regret that. Yeah. Oh, my.
Oh, my God. This is terrible. Amazing.
Yeah. So I, you know, went back, had a couple of beers and then went back in.
I go. Is it more fun then?
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No, it was still like it might have been worse because they're like, he came back.
It's like, no, I'm sorry.
You're just like, I'm going to throw like 15 random ones all over the place.
So, you know, I was just like, I'm going to throw a bunch of them.
Like, I don't want to throw them.
It's just drunk.
Just loose quarters. Yeah.
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I had a professor like my advisor in college
used to always talk about trying to like
bring frozen quarters to the strip club
so he could bounce them off the stage
and try to stick them to the dancer.
I'm like, I don't think that
You guys want to get together and like, just baby oil each other and try to.
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See what we can stick to each other.
Like frozen quarters at each other.
Sean, you in next time you're up.
I'm good.
Okay.
Uh, okay.
So raising Arizona.
Any more final thoughts on it?
Anything that you got from relisting the last episode or anything?
No, I'm not.
I'm not.
I'm not.
I'm not.
I'm not.
I'm not.
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I'm not.
I'm not.
I'm not.
I'm not.
I'm not.
I'm not.
I'm not.
I'm not.
I'm not.
I'm not.
I'm not.
I'm not.
Raising Arizona any more final thoughts on it anything that you got from
re listening to ourselves or re watching a fourth slash fifth time?
No, I think my favorite part of going back through it all was
listening to like you come around to it.
Yeah, like you were very much on the fence.
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It wasn't it wasn't that I wanted trapped in paradise to win that first time.
It's just I didn't get it right as much.
Yeah. Yeah.
You were still developing an opinion.
Yeah. Figuring out why why you liked it.
That's fair. One thing I got from re listening to ourselves
talk about it is how I have no original ideas and everything.
I like made notes about talking about today.
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I'm like, I've covered that extensively.
I know it is.
It's wild listening to us talk about these because, you know, obviously each of them,
they were many, many months and almost a year apart, you know, between our watches.
And it's like, of course, we said similar things and had similar feelings.
But when you stack up a relisten, it's like, holy shit.
Yeah, we really lock on to the same idea.
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I will say,
Foggin Smalls explosion
almost as good as an explosion exploding Jessica Biel.
I'm with you on that.
That little finale with him trying to get out of the shotgun triggers
or whatever the guards.
Yeah, it's so good.
And then just seeing the boom.
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The thing I want from next right now, though, is I want the one touch
that Raising Arizona had with that explosion.
I want next to have, which is after she exploded, I just want a single shoe
to fall out of the ground and hit the roof.
Yeah. A baby shoe. Yeah.
Why did he have those baby shoes?
Those were his baby shoes.
And he keeps them as a reminder of his humanity.
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Like, well, he was like, oh, God, I'm trying to remember his backstory now.
Like, wasn't he like an orphan or something?
Like you that much information?
Yeah, it's kind of snuck in there.
Yeah, they gave you a story for Leonard.
You just know he would like, I do they,
you know, Leonard tells you he's a hunter of men, but that's about it.
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I'm like 99% sure those were his baby shoes
because he had a rough upbringing.
I don't know if it was in the foster system or
if he was an orphan.
But I think I mean, I like this, but I think I'm pretty sure you're making this up.
Yeah, I think you're making it up, too, but I also like it.
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I just watched this last night.
I don't remember any of this.
Oh, well, whenever I see him with the two shotguns,
I always think of Edward 40 hands and the need to get those off your hands
before you explode sometimes.
So did I can't remember if I've told this story before, but when I was in high school,
we did Edward 40 hands over at my friend Peter's house.
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And you had a friend named Peter.
Yeah. How confusing was it?
Quite OK. I also have a friend named Peter now.
We're not talking about Pete, though, right?
No. Yeah, he's not a friend.
No, definitely not.
Pete and I think we only have one neck.
You know, right? Good thing.
I was the one who taped everyone's 40s on and then I got mine on.
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And then I had my second hand.
I was like, what am I going to do? I can't tape with a 40 on one hand.
And his mom, who was there and took all of our keys that night,
was like, I will tape a 40 to your hands. Nice.
How old are you? You said high school. How old were you?
I mean, we were we were probably I think it was maybe like a summer
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between high school and college or college year one.
You know, I think we were like 18, 18, 19.
So I mean, we definitely were drinking underage and come at me, cops.
Yeah. And so I just had this memory of her
taping a taping a 40 to a underage person's hand and saying, have fun.
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The trick was wearing pants that you could pull down with
without having to unbutton anything.
Yes, but pants were key.
Yeah. So I got I got the solution for you.
Fucking skirt dress. Just there you go.
Oh, that's true. Yeah.
I always was a proponent of playing it at the beach,
because then you could just walk out into the ocean. Smart.
And just let loose and walk back in.
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Yeah, I like that. That's a good idea.
Plus, then you can get you can break the glass on the beach.
You just it goes back to being sand eventually.
Don't call Steve Austin.
Right there. It's like, I'm done.
And now you've got glass taped to your hands and you can fight a drifter.
Dude, this is a great plan.
You guys want to go to the beach. Let's go to the beach.
I know it's like snowing and shit, but
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it's all right.
Let's move on to Moonstruck because that's an obvious transition.
Yeah, this is Nick Cage.
It is most charming, like talking Ronnie.
Ronnie is like Nick Cage, his most charming character.
Full stop.
I don't know if I agree on that front, but he is very, very charmed.
He has a massive amount of charisma.
It's a small show. I mean, then Ronnie Kammerer, Kammerer.
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I mean, he's kind of an asshole, but I think he's got charisma.
I don't know if I would say he's charming.
He charmed the pants off Cher.
Literally. Yeah. Well, take me to the bed.
Looking back on this movie,
I think the funniest thing listening to our episodes is what you got caught most
on, Sean, which is just the timeline.
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You're just like, I just cannot understand how this could happen
in three days time or whatever.
Yeah. It's like every time.
It's fucking it's weird.
Well, she was trying to marry a guy for.
Comfort comfort. Yeah.
I mean, it's like it's pretty easy to then be like, yeah, no.
We we looked this up the age difference between those two in real life.
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Oh, it's like 15, 20 years, something like that.
Well, so he was alive.
Danny, Danny Aiello was alive in like World War Two.
Oh, sorry. Between Nicholas, Johnny and Ronnie.
Yeah. So that's the thing.
And then Nick Cage was born in the 60s.
60s. He is 23 in this movie.
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I just did the math before I recorded this.
He's 23.
And Johnny is like, ironically, 48 or something like that.
Yeah, he too.
Monically, like we're at the the kitchen table scene.
Ronnie's like, Johnny, you're 42 years old.
So there's like a 20 year age gap between characters.
(36:44):
Yeah. I like when we talked about this with Marissa and
the what we came to at the end of it was like their mom fucks.
Yeah. You know, that was just kind of a thing to like, right?
Like they didn't have this movie.
Fox. They didn't have good.
Kind of Johnny.
Yeah, Johnny definitely does not.
Johnny doesn't fuck Johnny Cucks.
No. Well, he does get to like sit there and watch in the end.
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He gets cucked for sure.
This movie cracks me up.
It's so we've talked about this, but like he just wants a mom.
He just wants someone to take care of him because as soon as his mom isn't
like, he even says at the end, like you propose to me, he's like,
because my mom was dying like. Yeah.
But they've never had sex.
I do, too.
Oh, yeah. No, they definitely had.
(37:28):
No, no, he's maybe touched a boob once and then he did that.
He did the same thing where he touches the boob and he goes
like it's time. Yeah, exactly.
Oh, I burned my hand for those damn nipples.
Meanwhile, Bobo.
Bobo, Mr. Johnny Longtime Bachelor.
Oh, fucks.
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Bobo fucks. You know.
Yeah. Bobo loves to fuck.
He's a hard fucking individual.
What do I think I looked like when he was younger?
Probably exactly.
Wasn't it that wasn't he like 13 when they recorded this film? Bobo. Yeah.
That's a rough for 13.
I'm on IMDb. Give me a second.
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I used to be on IMDb.
My star power was unstoppable.
One day we will be again.
All right.
Well, he's not in the top.
Bobo isn't in the top cast, which.
Yeah, I mean, shy waiter is a.
Well, wait, shy waiter.
Comes in before Bobo before Bobo.
Yeah. Than a named character.
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He's been in 40 movies.
He has a single picture on IMDb and it is of him in Moonstruck.
He peaked too early. Yeah.
What do we get off on that tangent?
I don't know. I just wanted to.
The grandma Bobo fucks.
Johnny Cucks, Johnny Cucks.
Yeah, Moonstruck.
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Again, watching it again and again and again, it's like every time I watch him,
like, I really like this movie.
It's very fun. It's very pleasant.
The music is enjoyable.
It moves at a good clip.
Like the cast is fucking amazing.
Going back to Bobo for a second.
But what about it?
Listen, if you want to talk about Bobo, we can talk about Bobo.
I will always make space for Bobo.
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That actor, I was just like looking at his credits.
That's Robert Watt.
Robert Wheel.
W.E.L.
Robert Wheel is in a movie called
the Hudsucker Proxy.
Have you never seen that?
That's the Coen Brothers.
Not.
Dude, it's so good. Never heard of this movie.
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OK, because I'm just looking at the cast.
I'm like, I'm going to go watch this as soon as we get done here.
Fucking John Mahoney, Bruce Campbell.
You're going to love that movie. It's so good.
Tim Robbins.
Yeah, he invents the hula hoop.
This all tracks. All right.
It's fucking good. It's very good.
Go watch that movie.
Yeah. Bobo's in it.
Ah, yes. Cage match, where you find out about all the non Nicholas Cage films
(39:59):
you should be watching.
Hey, we've been talking about these same movies for like 30 fucking.
We've been talking about these same movies for almost three years.
Yeah, we can we can talk about other shit.
It's true. Has it been three years?
I've just been locked in this basement.
What is time? Yeah.
OK. Honest, like, I mean, honestly, at a certain point,
if we can't talk about other things, each episode would be like.
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So Raisin, Arizona, Raisin, Arizona.
It's good.
Nicholas Cage and Penises.
That's all we talk about.
Listen, we know what we're best at. Yeah.
We have Moonstruck.
So its path to here was a honeymoon in Vegas,
almost one 그때 at max like six hours,
I would say like a five applaud earlier,
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(40:51):
Mess movement, that was it on these POE combat
this.
Moonstruck.
And the two best test Afghan
blackmailers or iron man?
One test army of one
I definitely love Army of One, but yeah,
Moonstruck is a well constructed film
and Army of One did have some like sags in it.
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Yeah.
But but it's so much fun.
Oh, I love Army of One, man.
I still really was thinking about this.
I do think that we need to do some sort of, you know, retrospective
after we're done with the actual main bracket and watch a couple of these,
you know, like Primal and Army of One again and adaptation.
We need to do it.
We need to adaptation.
We definitely need to rewatch and like talk about again.
(41:35):
We know so much more.
We're so much better at this.
Well, we're less bad at it.
We're different at this.
At least let's not start talking like we're going to make different choices, though.
No, I mean, I still kind of stand by what we made.
100 percent.
No, I don't want to like do that, but I don't.
And I don't ever want to fucking do two movies per episode
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for any podcast in the future again.
Never. But I think going back and.
Like.
Primal adaptation, just like watching some of these movies
that got dropped off early for some for better reasons than others.
Be fun to go back and actually talk about
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outside of this setup.
Though, like in public,
like just watch a movie and then meet up at a park and start talking.
The strangers. Yeah.
Let's meet at a cemetery. I like that.
Oh, can we pass out like literature?
Yes. Telling people to watch Nicolas Cage films.
I want to make a zine.
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Yeah, we can go hang out by a Pacific place downtown
next to the guy playing the zither or whatever.
And the one talking about Jesus.
Yes. Hand out flyers about Nick Cage.
Yeah. About primal.
Great. I check.
But yeah, Moonstruck
still said that such a great cast, everything about it.
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It fucks it cucks.
It does everything you need.
Yeah. Yeah.
Oh, boy. Do you?
I can't remember what our favorite parts of the film was before,
but was there anything like that really got you hard this time?
I'm always.
OK, yeah, phrasing.
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But I'm going to stick with it.
I still love like the sweeping the table and like like she
Sharon Saltzim.
He's like, Oh, I'm not going to take that sweeps
the fucking drinks off the table and the steak that she made of meat.
It's like, I'm taking you to the bedroom.
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Fucking dumbass voice.
He does. He sounds so stupid in that.
Where are you taking me?
To the bedroom.
To my futon.
I love watching him like that steak just like with the hand
just kind of crammed between fake fingers and just like sawing at it.
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Yeah, he was an absolute animal.
He had a wolf in him.
Yeah, I love the wolf.
Just I love just both their performances like.
I think you think of Cher, at least I think of Cher as like.
The cultural icon she became.
So seeing like seeing Loretta, seeing this very kind of just matter of fact,
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just person who's just kind of like giving up on life, just like, I'm here.
I'm going to get married, I guess.
But just seeing that.
Not the.
The caffeine is dipping quickly.
Oh, go do a.
Go put some grounds in your butt.
Yeah, get some instant and just kind of.
(44:44):
Yeah, boof it.
And give me give me five minutes.
I can make myself another cup.
Yeah, no.
Loretta is the like antithesis of Cher.
Like, yeah. Oh, totally.
Well, OK, so I like how she yeah, she's very kind of.
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Ho ho matter of fact, just like regular and Nick Cage.
She starts down here. Nick Cage starts up here.
And by the end, they're kind of both like.
Wild swings and like their personalities, like by the end.
He's kind of a normal dude.
Yeah, he's got manners.
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Well, he was he probably always had manners.
I mean, he definitely had like culture.
He loved opera, that kind of stuff.
He definitely was very dramatic, you know?
I mean, it's like high mood swings and.
Well, he'd been stewing in his own problems for so long.
Sure. Like he like he definitely just broods down there.
He's in a basement.
Showing bread into a hot hole all day.
(45:48):
Thinking about like a scene that really got like got me this time
in a way that I hadn't really noticed before.
I can't remember the exact line.
I just like watch this scene again.
It's right when he gets to their house in the morning,
like before the kitchen table scene where Loretta's mom's like,
it's like your mother's OK.
And he just like he just very matter of fact, he just stays that like he like
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doesn't mean anything to him.
Yeah. Yeah.
Just very matter of fact.
It's like, that's good.
Doesn't affect me.
I still love how much Chrissy loves Ronnie.
Oh, absolutely.
Chrissy, get me the big knife.
I'm going to kill myself.
I love that man.
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And he has no idea.
What a weird subplot.
Yeah. That never goes anywhere.
It's like it exists for what?
One scene. Yeah.
And it's so you know that people want to fuck him.
He's in high demand.
Yeah. He's highly charismatic.
He's a wolf. Yeah.
That there is love that he is not seeing because of his own pain.
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Yeah. True.
Because he's been brooding in that dark hole.
Shave a little bread.
Hot bread hole.
It's hot bread hole.
Dungeon. The bread dungeon loves in
his bun dungeon.
Well, OK.
I mean, I feel like there's nothing else really to say.
Right. No, these are both terrific.
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Great movies. They're fucking great.
They have their own merits.
Yeah, they're.
I'm glad we got to go through this adventure
to get here to these two films.
Yeah, I am so happy with both these films.
I love both these.
Like, I will continue to watch both these movies for the rest of my life.
For most of them in my life.
(47:37):
Yep. I could.
Yeah, I can recommend any.
I can recommend either of these movies to most anyone like who wants to like,
you know, give me a written Nicholas Cage recommendation like
these are both great.
Are we are we saying what we're voting on?
Are we there yet?
Yeah, I think we're ready for that.
I mean, we covered Portland strip clubs versus Seattle strip clubs.
We covered Nick being five men in a trench coat.
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Yeah, three of them.
We got to say, yeah, right.
Three.
Right. You've added one.
Yeah, we added one.
It happened in.
I remember.
You know what, Sean?
This is two callbacks in a trench coat.
It's just personal growth.
I'm growing as a person.
And as a person, I'm growing a third penis. Yeah.
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Who happens to be an adult in a trench coat?
That's this.
This is the worst goose bumps ever.
This is the worst goose bumps ever.
OK, so Sean, put it on on file.
What are you what are you saying?
I raise in Arizona.
Both these movies are great, but one of them is
most struck as a share movie.
Raising Arizona is a cage movie.
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I think that's the best assessment.
They're both terrific films, terrific performances
and great cast in both of them.
Both of them are stacked cast.
But absolutely.
Raising Arizona is the most Nicholas Cage of the films there.
So I agree.
Yeah, definitely. Raising Arizona.
Yeah, I can't argue with that.
I mean, I love Moonstruck.
(49:04):
I might even love Moonstruck more.
But for this purpose, I think it's got to be raising Arizona.
Moonstruck is definitely the mature comedy.
And I mean, like when our friend Michael
heard the pair up, he was like, oh, Moonstruck all the way for me.
And I was like, you know what? That absolutely tracks.
Mm hmm. Like, well, and it's a good film.
(49:26):
Like I watch it and I absolutely think like, oh, this is a terrific film.
It should always be.
And so he has to like it.
Yeah, that's probably true.
Hand talkers. Yeah.
Also for me, just the big guy in a little room fight scene will always be.
Oh, my God. It's just so good.
Oh, good. When he drags his knuckles on the popcorn.
(49:47):
I'm just trying to do the like the Captain Kirk like over the back, like.
Slay. And that's exactly what it is.
He rakes his knuckles across the popcorn ceilings,
which as a child, I always looked up at him like, that looks like it hurts.
Yeah. And just the scream he makes when he does it.
It's I love that movie. It's so good. It's terrific.
Also, maybe one of my favorite John Goodman performances.
(50:10):
Boy, yeah, I don't know if I could ever.
Nailed that like you more of a Fred Flintstone.
No, but I'm really loving Righteous Gemstones.
Fair. And that is getting his fourth season soon.
Yeah, Big Lebowski is so good.
He's really good as the ambulance driver and bringing out the dead.
Yeah, I really liked
(50:32):
Cloverfield Paradox.
I think that was, you know, Cloverfield Lane.
That's the one he was in.
That was a surprisingly good role. Yeah.
So yeah, he's he's a very varied.
Yeah. Actor like he and Margot Martindale, just like great, great actors.
Yeah. Just put them in anything.
You're like, yeah, nice.
It's like, I'm ready for this.
(50:53):
One of my favorite ongoing jokes from Bo Bo Jack Horseman was
character actress Margot Martindale.
So good.
Yeah, no fucking great fucking film, which means we have our first
final matchup for
we do. Yeah, welcome to the final four skin.
Hi, McDonough. You are up against Cameron Poe.
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Oh, man. I know.
I'm going to have to beat myself up over whatever opinion I make on this one.
I'm going to hate myself or eliminate either.
OK, I do have one.
There's one more thing about Raisin, Arizona.
I noticed on this watch that
I never noticed before, and it makes me crack up
is the final scene when they're an old couple.
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And like you see just in the old couple from behind.
That's definitely them in just heavy like in wigs
because that old guy has the biggest back muscles.
He's still fit.
It's like Jack Lillane.
It's like I know they could have just gotten they could have just gotten
(51:57):
like old people.
It's so weird to show their faces.
They don't give them makeup.
It's just from behind.
So it goes like makes it just so weird to just see like
yoked old man.
Just wheel out fucking 1987 Joe Biden.
Yeah, exactly.
Still old as fuck.
(52:17):
I can't remember.
If I told the story last time, you can cut it, but
I know we have to keep it for posterity.
I don't remember when this happened.
I got chicken.
I got chicken the other day and I was texting with Nick
and we were talking about Star Wars skeleton crew
and how I actually liked it despite not really liking child actors
(52:40):
or like child protagonists.
But I really like these guys.
And I was texting with Nick, but also like getting text message
from the chicken restaurant I was going to pick up food at.
And I thought I was responding to Nick with the text.
The stranger things kids are like over 18 now.
That means I can fight him, right?
And Nick didn't respond.
I looked at him.
(53:00):
I texted that to the chicken place.
What did they think? Did they agree?
They did not respond.
It's weird that they didn't have opinions on that.
No, no, I think you mentioned that
during our game the other day.
So so the only one who gets to hear this story twice aside from me.
(53:20):
Nice. Hi, Nathan.
That's right.
That one's for the Sparkle buddies.
Yeah, speaking of, he's a he's a cage dancer. Yeah.
Yeah. So speaking of, thank you for our supporters.
And if you're interested in following us on social media,
it's cage underscore match underscore pod to our Sparkle buddies.
Thank you, Josh, Sean, Josie, Rico, Matt, Adam and Bill.
And to our cage dancers, Ira, John, Freeman, Lance, Nathan and Cameron.
(53:44):
Yeah. So if you want to hear Sean tell the same story ad nauseum
for the rest of your life, just give us five bucks a month.
There you go. Just forever.
You'll get one story in the mail every week.
It'll be the same story every week spoken slightly differently.
Sometimes handwritten. Yeah, there you go.
That's the benefit of joining and supporting cage.
(54:05):
This is a lie. We do not give that much.
But anyone who is a cage dancer will and actually Sparkle buddies, too,
will be getting some special shit for our finale.
So yeah, we've got that at least special shit.
You guys should feel fucking lucky. Yeah.
I made you some things. Oh, snap.
Is it a baby?
Are you finally getting rid of some of these babies you've got?
(54:27):
You got to divide them.
It's like only one of them's a baby.
Yeah. All right.
Good episode. Yeah. Terrific.
We're great. We're pretty good.
Oh,
bye bye.
(54:52):
Or did you want to say anything about the movies
Moonstruck or Raising Arizona?
No, yeah.
Well, this is better than you just moaning at the door, so.
I have a squirt bottle.
Just open the door and like squirt on the face.
Yeah, that would have probably not worked in this situation.
Probably made it worse. Yeah.
(55:16):
Yeah, OK.
Put pepper in the water.
That'll that'll won't make that mistake twice.
They say put pepper in the water.
Yeah. Yeah.
OK. Right in the eyes.
I won't bother anybody.
Just a little homemade mace.
That's it's a nice thing.
It's training mace.
It's exactly you keep it.
(55:36):
You keep it pretty loose.
You got to build up that immunity to it.
So when you get a full blast in the face later, you're just like, come at me.
Yeah. So you can fucking protest the pigs downtown.
Give me more. Mayday.
Yeah, exactly. Get ready.
Let's fucking tear it up.
God. All right.
This was OK.
He was 23 when these movies came out, which means he would have been like
(55:59):
21, 22 when they were making these things.
Weird. Yeah.
Pretty wild to think about. Yeah.
Yeah. What have we done with our lives?
This you've had kids.
I've had kids and I've made this podcast. Yeah.
Oh, I sorry.
I didn't know we were talking about the positive things we've done.
(56:21):
Oh, sure. Oh, you want the bad things?
Yeah, yeah, clearly this podcast is tops, but I'm still ready
to fight a child today.
I haven't fought one yet. Box a toddler.
Yeah, I believe that was the phrase that came up.
I don't remember why.
It's a toddler. Who cares?
Just the fact that the desire exists inside of me is enough.
Oh, God.
(00:03):
Oh, my God.
Oh, neat.
And we're only missing one thing.
(00:25):
Uh, it wouldn't be a Moonstruck episode without sparkling wine and sugar cubes.
True.
Which Nick got in a solid brick of sugar cubes.
Yeah, they don't apparently distribute 30 cubes anymore.
You have to buy like 120.
It's ridiculous.
(00:46):
Well, you can be like John and just have like the Werther's in your pocket, but instead it's just like loose sugar cubes gradually breaking down.
Just start befriending horses all over the place.
Exactly.
All right. Cheers.
Happy Moonstruck.
Yeah.
Oh, but also Horn Quack is going to be down here this week, apparently.
(01:07):
Oh, nice.
He's taking a vacation.
I don't know if he's looked at the weather, but it's going to snow.
So that'll be fun for him.
He's going to have a miserable time.
Is he having a vacation with his girlfriend, not girlfriend?
Or is it a solo vacation?
Yeah, Portland is usually the the quality of vacation he would bring Sam on.
That's what I was thinking, too.
(01:28):
It's like, yeah, we're going to go to Vancouver, Washington.
Have you found any like particularly bad ass things to do or eat or anything like axe throwing or axe eating or eating?
Yeah, yeah.
Pretty bad ass.
Yeah, right. Unicycle throwing, axe eating.
I've found some pretty great restaurants through time left.
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There was a bar we went to on Wednesday after dinner that had I got a Goosebumps book at one of those vending machines.
Yes. What kind of Goosebumps book?
Tell me about it.
Haunted Mask 2.
I'm halfway through it.
I can say as an adult, it being almost 30 years since I've read a Goosebumps book.
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Goosebumps.
I've read it before, but it's a kid's book.
It's incredibly horny.
Still so much fun.
And I definitely have read this one because I'm like, like I'm, you know, I mean, one, it's a kid's book, so it's not hard to predict what's going to happen.
But I'm like, I definitely remember the concrete soccer ball prank.
Oh, snap. That's rude.
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I like to ask coworkers and especially apprentices what their favorite Goosebumps book was.
The Camp Jelly Jam book.
I don't know if I remember that one.
It had like a big blob monster that was like, do you remember the kids or something at the camp?
Yeah. Camp Jelly Jam.
Twice this week, I needed to ask for help from an adult in my outings in the city.
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One was to get the Goosebumps book.
One was to get the Goosebumps book.
I like bought it.
Did you have to do it like a claw game?
No, it was it was just a vending machine and like came out.
But the way the flap worked, it was like it had a wedge.
So you couldn't like your hand like once it was up, you couldn't get your hand in there.
But because the book fell like straight down, the wedge would just hit the book and you couldn't actually get it out.
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So my friend Tiffany, I were like, what the fuck are we going to do?
I'm like, I might have to break this thing open.
We're going to have to run.
But yeah, I asked the bartender and she's like, yeah, this happens a lot.
Our Goosebumps books are always getting jammed.
Jelly jammed.
And the other one was that the other one was at Powell's books.
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It was a big book week.
They had a copy of Earth X, which I've been looking for for Marvel.
And it was on a shelf just just a little bit higher than I could reach.
Like I was just exactly what I imagined.
I was like, was it too tall?
Just from being able to like touch the bottom of the book.
So I went to I went to the help counter and they're like, how can we help you?
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And I'm like, I need an adult.
And then the tallest lady got it for me and that was hot.
Ah, that's just another reason for wearing bigger heels.
So you should start practicing with stripper heels.
There you go. Big chunky.
This is about being able to reach things up high.
Yeah, don't make it weird. Come on, Portland.
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Yeah, just a dude rolling around in stripper heels.
Don't don't worry about it.
I was wearing my high boots.
Still too high. Still too tall.
Still too tall. Yeah, that'll happen.
Yeah, I like that you got an Amazon to help you, though.
Did you then like cradle you and carry you back to the
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hot check out? That's the dream.
That really is what I'm looking for.
I'm looking for a woman who can finish my fights for me because I,
as you know, I talk a lot of shit and I cannot back it up.
Someone who can fold you like laundry and finish your fights.
I like it. Oh, I like being tossed around.
What? Yeah, that is probably for the best.
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That you find someone like that. Yeah, exactly.
Like you said, you need somebody who can baby
Bjorn you, but as a full house.
Oh, man, that'd be so cool.
You're a little cranky. You just get put in the baby Bjorn
and you're like, oh,
really listening to ourselves, the podcasts,
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really listening to ourselves when we're doing
whatever our last episode was, it's how much I'm like,
this fucking week has sucked.
But I really listen when listening to whatever went up against
Conair, went up against Spirit of On John's, I believe, at one point.
Mm hmm. On John's.
Von John's. But just talking about.
I enjoyed hearing us talk about our various hell vehicles and how I.
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Oh, yeah. Yeah.
Nick, every once in a. Yeah.
Every once in a while, I look at something and I'm like,
I could ghostwriter that I could just like set it on fire
and roll down the street with it.
Like what was what's the most recent thing you've seen that you thought of?
Oh, I think it was just like a large dog.
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Why would you roll the dog?
I mean, if it's on fire, I guess it's not going.
Everything turns into wheels. Yeah. Yeah.
The feet just turn into big flaming wheels.
And it's happening in the first one. Yeah.
But that's because the first one wasn't as good as the second one.
That is fucking true. That is really true.
Yeah. One I hated and one I thought was great. Yeah.
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Yeah. Depending on the dog, different parts would be fiery.
Maybe fiery eyes, maybe just like some little flaky ears.
There's a YouTube channel I watch.
I can't remember his nerd style trick or Captain Midnight,
but talked about how like ghostwriter there should how there should be like 20
ghostwriter movies by now, how this franchise really should sell itself.
And the only reason it really hasn't is because of Nicholas Cage,
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which is too bad because that would be the best.
I like if we had just three more like captive stories of
Nicholas Cage ghostwriter now like it.
There doesn't need to be big continuity like Ghostwriter doesn't have some big
character arc, right? Not really.
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Just the ghostwriter. Yeah.
Kind of like his whole vibe. Yeah.
Standalone films are terrific. It could be like Mad Max,
where they could be a very different like qualities and and stories.
And then like arguably one of your best ones could not even be about the title
character and no one went and saw it. And now the franchise is dead again.
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My favorite thing about the Mad Max films was always that it was.
Other people telling stories of Max. Yeah.
So it's like how Max interacts with the greater apocalypse world.
Yeah. Or that it might not even be the same person and just he's become like
the Johnny Appleseed of the fucking hell back. Yeah, exactly.
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So he's just like a big story and that's fun.
And I think it's a great way to excuse like changing the actor whenever you feel
like it, whenever one of them like says something super exactly gets canceled.
It's like, oh, OK, not even in the apocalypse.
Can you complain about the anti-Semitic? Yeah.
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Benjamin Franklin Gates is finally out of the cone of shame.
Has he discovered that his balls are missing yet?
Has he taken a look down there? He was he was aware immediately.
I had taken back for his like one week check or his one week
check yesterday, and he was not happy to be back there.
Bad things happen. Bad things happen at the vet.
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My dog has never really cared about going back to the vet afterwards.
They're fine with it. That's where other dogs are.
So they get to smell where all the other dogs are.
Then they always come home with cat hair and dog hair all over them.
I notice an absence of balls here, though. Yeah.
Yeah. The fucking weirdest part, though, Ben, never been a humper.
Now that he doesn't have testicles, fucking the humpin. Really?
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That's weird. Yeah. No, it was like I know what I've lost.
I was like getting ready for bed the other night and he just like fucking
cone on like tried to Mount Rose and all three of us looked shocked at what was happening.
He didn't even seem to know what or why he was doing it.
Yeah. Just like unlocked some deep muscle memory.
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Just in denial about the whole thing.
Well, did you guys want to talk about Moonstruck or Raising Arizona first?
I want to talk about in Raising Arizona. Well, here's the movie.
I want to talk about how just unhinged that world really is.
And how does high exist in it?
Like high is the only normal person in that movie in that entire like world.
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Kind of normal. Yeah.
I mean, he is very much a larger than life human.
The way he hits on the the.
The person taking his photos, slapping his butt.
He's a dumb dumb and he doesn't meet.
He's, you know, a handsome dummy who doesn't get to meet a lot of people
and, you know, fucking small town.
Yeah. Everybody kind of exists in like a decreased mental like maturity state.
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Yeah. Nobody's really ready to be an adult in that film.
Oh, yeah. Like no one on this podcast is ready to be an adult.
So let's, you know, cast aspersions here.
Not not true. I'm ready to be four adults in one trench coat.
Yeah. Four small adults in a trench coat.
That's what I've always been.
Two of them are dick.
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Those are the two that control the mouth.
Those two also control the mouth. The dick is the mouth.
Yeah. As it is designed. Yeah.
Yeah. You should watch me eat spaghetti.
But no, Sean, I think you do have a good point, though.
Like, I mean, hi is also over the top, but like everybody in that movie
is just like such a caricature. They're so, so.
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Why is he is the straight man?
He is the only person who like really pushes things and not pushes things forward.
Like he's along. He's he's really just along for the ride.
But even like Ed, her performance, great.
But it's just like it's so wild and like everyone else cages out in this movie.
And cage is kind of the most like just relaxed individual who's just who has no control.
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He's just there for it.
Like he is our audience surrogate to an extent.
He's definitely the the tracks that the train is riding.
Yeah, that's exactly like it's really hit me this time watching it during the chase sequence
because it never I never tripped on the fact that the grocery store clerk just starts blasting.
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He's not involved in the chase whatsoever.
He just starts shoot like shooting off.
He's just like, there's some sort of crime going on here.
Yeah, he's been itching for it. Yeah.
Yeah. And just like, oh, that's the world.
Asia high existent.
Yeah, I really enjoyed rewatching it again.
I was watching these on the plane as I was flying to San Diego, and it was just so fun watching this movie.
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And I love the soundtrack. I love the crazy energy of it.
It's so like the facial work that cage does.
It's just it's really, really good. It's really fun.
Yeah. I mean, even beyond just Nicholas Cage films,
I think this film exists in like a high, high tier of comedies.
Yeah, especially comedies of like the 80s, where everything was kind of turning towards that like racy comedy like your porkies.
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Yeah, exactly.
This this elevates. Good job, Cohen brothers.
Yeah, no, I mean, this is such a great comedy.
I was re listening to our conversation with Alex about it and just like this is a this is a comedy where no one knows they're in a comedy.
Like everyone kind of plays their character so straight, even John Goodman, who's probably the most over the top, still kind of plays it pretty straight.
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Right. Like in the sense that no matter how wild they are, that's normal for the world.
Yeah. Yeah, it feels natural for all of them to be so much.
I do want to also talk on how this is one of Nicholas Cage's best physical performances, like his just physicality and so much of the humor of his characters really just and how he composes himself and how he moves through this world.
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And like I think of Nick Cage as an actor, I think of that bombastic, those weird like ticks and like vocal performances he does where he doesn't have a lot of that in this.
He has the accent, but so much of high is just his body.
And I loved it so much. And it was just so entertaining.
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One thing that kind of trips me up about this movie is just knowing that he and the Coens didn't get along.
And I really want to know what was like the backbreaker.
Like what was going on? What was he trying to bring to it that they were like?
No, dude. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. I haven't heard a lot of stories about their process from other films.
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So I don't know if they are like super rigid or if it seems like they have vision usually.
And it's like you probably have to fit pretty well into it.
It was pretty early in their career, too, though. And after something like what was that first film called Blood Simple?
Like that, that just didn't have as great of a reception as maybe they had hoped.
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Maybe they wanted to control that. Have a little more tight, tight grip on the entire thing.
You look at their filmography, you look at the types of movies they have done.
I get the feeling that they run a really tight chip.
Like what's on the what's on the page is on the page. And that's what they're going to film.
I can see them not being necessarily open to a lot of wild swings.
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Yeah. And I feel like Cage at this point in his career was more about wild swings and was more about that kind of like, you know, wild energy and being free and open.
And, you know, I think there was some probably more willingness to do improv work at that point in his career versus later.
Well, like when we talk, you know, like with Moonstruck, the other film that this is going up against right now.
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By the way, welcome back to Cage Metricullin around about meeting Nicolas Cage. I'm your host, Sean, here with my co-host Nick.
And I'm Nick. Peter. Hello. Nice job.
And in this we are in the master eight.
We have we're in the comedy section from our bracket going Moonstruck versus Raising Arizona.
(16:12):
Like how we were just talking about it.
Peter, put that Peter, put that where it belongs in the episode, please.
Exactly here. I know where it belongs. Right next to my two adult dick.
Like with the other film that we're talking about this week with Moonstruck,
he got hired for that based on his fucking insane performance in Peggy Sue Got Married.
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Right. And Moonstruck and Raising Arizona both came out in 87.
So like you have those very there's much wilder swings of, you know, my hand to just very kind of.
Calm, good old boy.
Yeah, there was a lot of like interconnectivity between these two movies through our bracket, too,
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because Raising Arizona beat out Peggy Sue Got Married, which got him the role for Moonstruck.
It's like this kind of circular craziness of our own process on this bracket.
I also like that we in separate episodes talked about smoking indoors.
Oh, so in separate episodes for the different movies, we talked about the movie Splash.
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Yeah, incorrectly.
I love that every time we talk about mermaids and splash, we are thinking of the wrong one.
Yeah, it's always overboard.
For some reason, overboard with Goldie Hawn comes up a lot.
Let's go watch over board.
Yeah, I'll let Josie put it on and I'll just come in and out.
That's a Goldie Hawn cast. Yeah. Yeah.
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I was I just remembered I've been asking people this question and since it is February and pretty much the season of love now.
We've had discussions about vanilla penis, just single penis, and we've talked about two penis.
Are we talking claspers like sharks again?
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Well, it could be claspers or like just the the concept of like double stackers or side by side.
I've been thinking a lot more about three dicks and whether it's like vertical stack horizontal or triangle or like some triangle.
And then is it triangle one down or two down?
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I think it's like a spaceship gun or something that can rotate.
It rotates like a gatlin gun. Yeah.
So as you like blast, it's just like whack, whack, whack, whack, whack, whack, whack, whack, whack, whack.
Nice. I like that.
That'd be hard to control.
That'd be hard to whack off with. But I guess once you have three dicks, you don't have to whack off anymore.
You're made here. You've got a whole.
Got everything you need. Yeah.
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But I like the thought of three side by side, because then they would lay across your sack and down like a cuttlefish.
Oh, yeah. Tentacles on it. And then when you fart, they could ripple.
I like that. Yeah. That's how I think about it.
I fucked up not doing the intro now.
Yeah, exactly.
You could just say it again.
I can throw another one out there.
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Now, man, we're in good form.
Yeah.
Just just add one more adult between my other two adults down there.
I'm now five adults in a trench coat.
I will say I'm not recording on a Monday like a Monday immediately after I get off work is definitely helping my energy.
Yeah, there you go. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I know.
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So, OK, let's keep talking about raising Arizona for a bit and then we can pivot over to Moonstruck.
So raising a zone now.
That kid is that kid disappeared after this movie.
He never went into acting again. Oh, Nathan Jr. Yeah.
Interesting. I wonder what his residuals are like.
I wonder what a baby makes for a role.
And then what do they make long term for residual checks like that kid probably just gets a check every year.
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Probably I would I would assume based on the fact that they were kind of not well known directors.
And I don't think I don't know if that kid gets a check.
It's probably less than like less than it less than we can cash in a bank.
I don't know if that's going to be true.
I mean, like Rachel recorded on a Macklemore album and she's like in one part of one track and she makes like, I don't know, 30 bucks a year.
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That just comes as a residual check. It's like I think raising Arizona has more exposure in a lot of senses.
But I don't know. Well, it depends on the contract.
But yeah, I mean, we're getting into nitty gritties.
A two year old's not going to negotiate the contract.
Well, hopefully they didn't negotiate their own deal.
Or I guess off the topic of Nathan Jr.
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I was talking to my project manager the other day and we were talking about how we needed Damon Wayans to be our electrical inspector.
No. Yeah. Damon Wayans.
And he's like, yeah, it could be Damon Wayans.
And then his brother, Damon Wayans Jr. could.
And I was like, how do you think juniors work? Yeah.
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You think it's like also.
Well, he was the littler one.
But how would you feel if you were a younger brother and you were named for your brother?
Weirdly enough, it's like, oh, man, Steve was so good.
You're Steve, too. Yeah. You're just the junior.
Not new, Steve. But you have to live up to the Steve mantle.
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OK. We had Harry, Gary.
I think it was a Larry. It was a Larry, too.
I think Larry. Yeah. But like Harry, Larry, Barry, Gary, Jerry, you know, and Nathan Jr.
Yeah. They know where the love is.
Clearly one of those kids was favored.
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Yeah. That tells me that tells me they didn't know they were having five kids.
For Mrs. Arizona.
What was her name like Gladys or something? Oh, I don't even know.
Must have been the most boring. Like she just looks like a Gladys or a.
Terry. Constance.
Terry. It's a real fun film.
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I'm always going to love watching it.
It was it was a treat listening to all of our. Florence. Oh, Florence.
Oh, yeah. Obviously, Florence.
I was thinking about like my first view, my first couple of times watching this film
and definitely coming back to it, being so familiar with it now, getting out of
feeling like the need like that initial those initial watches were to critique the film
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and to like really have to form a strong opinion on the outset
and now just being able to like watch this movie for fun.
It's so good. It's just so entertaining.
And there's so much heart and character behind the whole thing.
And I think it's so good.
I think it's so good.
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I think it's so good.
I think it's so good.
Okay, I figured it out.
Florence. Lawrence. Larry.
Larry's named for the mom. There you go.
There we go. Okay.
Florence, Lawrence, Larry.
We can always we can finally move on.
Larry is short for Lawrence, right?
Sure. What would it be short for? Otherwise, old.
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I think it's the same kind of takeaway.
It's like the first time I watched it, I was like, I don't know.
Second time I was like, this is a cartoon and I love it.
Thanks to you guys.
And then since then, it's just like this is such a fun movie
and watching it on the airplane, like both seat people next to me were watching, too.
You know, it's like you just got drawn in, didn't have any audio,
but they're just like, yeah, good movie.
You know, I'm going to say I think Nicolas Cage makes the best airplane movies.
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I think you might be watching Nicolas Cage movie on an airplane
and somebody is going to be like, fuck, yeah, dude, this is exactly how my flight needed to go.
Unless it's City of Angels.
The 9-Eleven movie probably isn't a great one either.
That's a conversation starter.
That's true. Oh, with aviation nowadays, I don't know if I'd watch that.
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It's like I don't just taking notes.
This is bad.
I still want a cut of City of Angels where after he falls, he just speaks like fucking Latin
or fucking ancient Sumerian or just speaks some dead language because that's all he knows.
It's so funny that he speaks American English.
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I know. Well, should have been a Boston cop.
He falls and just has a Bostonian, a bad Boston accent.
He landed on his head.
When we do the game, I'm just going to do Boston cop for everything.
I'm pretty sure most cops were dropped on their head.
There's definitely something wrong with cops.
Well established theme.
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So let's see, Raising Arizona on its path here to the Master Eight.
It took out Trapped in Paradise, which I still think is kind of a low key banger, but stupid movie.
I liked it.
You are fucking definitely wrong.
I've thought about rewatching it.
I thought about rewatching it for Christmas.
I was going to bring it up and make my parents watch it.
(25:19):
I think that movie is is not as bad as you guys made it out to be.
It is definitely bad.
I think. Yeah, I think it just got overshadowed hard.
Like maybe I should rewatch it.
I mean, I own it.
I wait, do I? I don't think I own that one.
That's one of the four that I don't have those for po boys.
Yeah. And then it took out Peggy Sue got married after that.
And then the probably its toughest go was The Weatherman, which great movie.
(25:44):
Yeah, terrific. Going through the comedy bracket.
So few of these are like comedies.
Yeah, I mean, he has a couple of those romantic comedies.
He has a couple of true comedies, but most of them are just sort of like, I guess there's humor in here.
He's not being just like a somber dude.
Yeah, a little a little darker character, but still with a har har.
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In terms of like the actual bracket, like in terms of straight up comedies, we have this.
Our army of one in paradise.
Yeah. Trapped in Paradise was a comedy.
Yeah. I mean, Honeymoon in Vegas was a comedy, but it.
Honeymoon in Vegas. Yeah.
I have fond memories of Honeymoon in Vegas.
I just like Roy Bacon, man.
(26:30):
That guy with the big fucking teeth. Oh, man. Yeah.
You know, I think more and more about how there aren't enough Elvis's in my life.
And I need to try to find a way to include more of them.
Also, I need to get that Elvis suit that I talked about. Absolutely.
Still sounds like a good idea.
Maybe it's like my Thursday night outfit. Yeah.
I like a good investment. Yeah.
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Josie will be vacuuming sequins out of all the couches and everything all the time.
Oh, my God. We had a friend give Cora these like angel fairy wings or something.
And they have all this sparkly shit in them.
And it is literally everywhere, every piece of clothing I have.
I look down and there's like one little sparkle.
God damn it. You know, I'll go to work and look in the mirror and there's like glitter on my face.
(27:14):
Oh, my God. Yeah. You've been back at those strip clubs.
Wings. Yeah.
I. OK. I'm speaking of strip clubs.
Yeah, I'm very all over the place this morning.
But so for my birthday, like afterwards, we went to
one of the local gentleman's clubs,
and I have never been to a Washington strip club because I think they're stupid.
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And this was the most terrifying experience of my life.
Like, well, not necessarily that like they are threatening
and they are like predators when you go in there.
Like they it's a weird, like all open, big, like just space
with just chairs that you might find at like the VFW, like set up all over the place.
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And there are so many women working there.
And they're like, as soon as you sit down, one will be there and like, are you ready for a dance?
And I'm like, I sat down just now and like I haven't even gotten my black coffee
because I'm not allowed to drink in here. Exactly. I need some sort of thrill.
Yeah. And then she'll walk away and then immediately another one shows up.
(28:27):
But it's like an unending stream.
And I'm like, I'm just going to drink my coffee and go like, I don't.
Also, it's weird drinking a gigantic mug.
It was an oversized coffee mug of black coffee.
I'm like, OK, this is maybe this was a strange choice, but I don't drink soda.
So it's like, was it hot coffee?
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I love that image of you getting like a dance with a hot coffee.
This hot coffee out of the way.
Yeah. Don't don't spill it on me.
Everyone will regret that. Yeah. Oh, my.
Oh, my God. This is terrible. Amazing.
Yeah. So I, you know, went back, had a couple of beers and then went back in.
I go. Is it more fun then?
(29:09):
No, it was still like it might have been worse because they're like, he came back.
It's like, no, I'm sorry.
You're just like, I'm going to throw like 15 random ones all over the place.
So, you know, I was just like, I'm going to throw a bunch of them.
Like, I don't want to throw them.
It's just drunk.
Just loose quarters. Yeah.
(29:30):
I had a professor like my advisor in college
used to always talk about trying to like
bring frozen quarters to the strip club
so he could bounce them off the stage
and try to stick them to the dancer.
I'm like, I don't think that
You guys want to get together and like, just baby oil each other and try to.
(29:50):
See what we can stick to each other.
Like frozen quarters at each other.
Sean, you in next time you're up.
I'm good.
Okay.
Uh, okay.
So raising Arizona.
Any more final thoughts on it?
Anything that you got from relisting the last episode or anything?
No, I'm not.
I'm not.
I'm not.
I'm not.
I'm not.
I'm not.
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I'm not.
I'm not.
I'm not.
I'm not.
I'm not.
I'm not.
I'm not.
I'm not.
I'm not.
I'm not.
I'm not.
I'm not.
Raising Arizona any more final thoughts on it anything that you got from
re listening to ourselves or re watching a fourth slash fifth time?
No, I think my favorite part of going back through it all was
listening to like you come around to it.
Yeah, like you were very much on the fence.
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It wasn't it wasn't that I wanted trapped in paradise to win that first time.
It's just I didn't get it right as much.
Yeah. Yeah.
You were still developing an opinion.
Yeah. Figuring out why why you liked it.
That's fair. One thing I got from re listening to ourselves
talk about it is how I have no original ideas and everything.
I like made notes about talking about today.
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I'm like, I've covered that extensively.
I know it is.
It's wild listening to us talk about these because, you know, obviously each of them,
they were many, many months and almost a year apart, you know, between our watches.
And it's like, of course, we said similar things and had similar feelings.
But when you stack up a relisten, it's like, holy shit.
Yeah, we really lock on to the same idea.
(31:19):
I will say,
Foggin Smalls explosion
almost as good as an explosion exploding Jessica Biel.
I'm with you on that.
That little finale with him trying to get out of the shotgun triggers
or whatever the guards.
Yeah, it's so good.
And then just seeing the boom.
(31:40):
The thing I want from next right now, though, is I want the one touch
that Raising Arizona had with that explosion.
I want next to have, which is after she exploded, I just want a single shoe
to fall out of the ground and hit the roof.
Yeah. A baby shoe. Yeah.
Why did he have those baby shoes?
Those were his baby shoes.
And he keeps them as a reminder of his humanity.
(32:00):
Like, well, he was like, oh, God, I'm trying to remember his backstory now.
Like, wasn't he like an orphan or something?
Like you that much information?
Yeah, it's kind of snuck in there.
Yeah, they gave you a story for Leonard.
You just know he would like, I do they,
you know, Leonard tells you he's a hunter of men, but that's about it.
(32:24):
I'm like 99% sure those were his baby shoes
because he had a rough upbringing.
I don't know if it was in the foster system or
if he was an orphan.
But I think I mean, I like this, but I think I'm pretty sure you're making this up.
Yeah, I think you're making it up, too, but I also like it.
(32:45):
I just watched this last night.
I don't remember any of this.
Oh, well, whenever I see him with the two shotguns,
I always think of Edward 40 hands and the need to get those off your hands
before you explode sometimes.
So did I can't remember if I've told this story before, but when I was in high school,
we did Edward 40 hands over at my friend Peter's house.
(33:08):
And you had a friend named Peter.
Yeah. How confusing was it?
Quite OK. I also have a friend named Peter now.
We're not talking about Pete, though, right?
No. Yeah, he's not a friend.
No, definitely not.
Pete and I think we only have one neck.
You know, right? Good thing.
I was the one who taped everyone's 40s on and then I got mine on.
(33:31):
And then I had my second hand.
I was like, what am I going to do? I can't tape with a 40 on one hand.
And his mom, who was there and took all of our keys that night,
was like, I will tape a 40 to your hands. Nice.
How old are you? You said high school. How old were you?
I mean, we were we were probably I think it was maybe like a summer
(33:51):
between high school and college or college year one.
You know, I think we were like 18, 18, 19.
So I mean, we definitely were drinking underage and come at me, cops.
Yeah. And so I just had this memory of her
taping a taping a 40 to a underage person's hand and saying, have fun.
(34:12):
The trick was wearing pants that you could pull down with
without having to unbutton anything.
Yes, but pants were key.
Yeah. So I got I got the solution for you.
Fucking skirt dress. Just there you go.
Oh, that's true. Yeah.
I always was a proponent of playing it at the beach,
because then you could just walk out into the ocean. Smart.
And just let loose and walk back in.
(34:33):
Yeah, I like that. That's a good idea.
Plus, then you can get you can break the glass on the beach.
You just it goes back to being sand eventually.
Don't call Steve Austin.
Right there. It's like, I'm done.
And now you've got glass taped to your hands and you can fight a drifter.
Dude, this is a great plan.
You guys want to go to the beach. Let's go to the beach.
I know it's like snowing and shit, but
(34:55):
it's all right.
Let's move on to Moonstruck because that's an obvious transition.
Yeah, this is Nick Cage.
It is most charming, like talking Ronnie.
Ronnie is like Nick Cage, his most charming character.
Full stop.
I don't know if I agree on that front, but he is very, very charmed.
He has a massive amount of charisma.
It's a small show. I mean, then Ronnie Kammerer, Kammerer.
(35:18):
I mean, he's kind of an asshole, but I think he's got charisma.
I don't know if I would say he's charming.
He charmed the pants off Cher.
Literally. Yeah. Well, take me to the bed.
Looking back on this movie,
I think the funniest thing listening to our episodes is what you got caught most
on, Sean, which is just the timeline.
(35:38):
You're just like, I just cannot understand how this could happen
in three days time or whatever.
Yeah. It's like every time.
It's fucking it's weird.
Well, she was trying to marry a guy for.
Comfort comfort. Yeah.
I mean, it's like it's pretty easy to then be like, yeah, no.
We we looked this up the age difference between those two in real life.
(36:02):
Oh, it's like 15, 20 years, something like that.
Well, so he was alive.
Danny, Danny Aiello was alive in like World War Two.
Oh, sorry. Between Nicholas, Johnny and Ronnie.
Yeah. So that's the thing.
And then Nick Cage was born in the 60s.
60s. He is 23 in this movie.
(36:24):
I just did the math before I recorded this.
He's 23.
And Johnny is like, ironically, 48 or something like that.
Yeah, he too.
Monically, like we're at the the kitchen table scene.
Ronnie's like, Johnny, you're 42 years old.
So there's like a 20 year age gap between characters.
(36:44):
Yeah. I like when we talked about this with Marissa and
the what we came to at the end of it was like their mom fucks.
Yeah. You know, that was just kind of a thing to like, right?
Like they didn't have this movie.
Fox. They didn't have good.
Kind of Johnny.
Yeah, Johnny definitely does not.
Johnny doesn't fuck Johnny Cucks.
No. Well, he does get to like sit there and watch in the end.
(37:08):
He gets cucked for sure.
This movie cracks me up.
It's so we've talked about this, but like he just wants a mom.
He just wants someone to take care of him because as soon as his mom isn't
like, he even says at the end, like you propose to me, he's like,
because my mom was dying like. Yeah.
But they've never had sex.
I do, too.
Oh, yeah. No, they definitely had.
(37:28):
No, no, he's maybe touched a boob once and then he did that.
He did the same thing where he touches the boob and he goes
like it's time. Yeah, exactly.
Oh, I burned my hand for those damn nipples.
Meanwhile, Bobo.
Bobo, Mr. Johnny Longtime Bachelor.
Oh, fucks.
(37:49):
Bobo fucks. You know.
Yeah. Bobo loves to fuck.
He's a hard fucking individual.
What do I think I looked like when he was younger?
Probably exactly.
Wasn't it that wasn't he like 13 when they recorded this film? Bobo. Yeah.
That's a rough for 13.
I'm on IMDb. Give me a second.
(38:10):
I used to be on IMDb.
My star power was unstoppable.
One day we will be again.
All right.
Well, he's not in the top.
Bobo isn't in the top cast, which.
Yeah, I mean, shy waiter is a.
Well, wait, shy waiter.
Comes in before Bobo before Bobo.
Yeah. Than a named character.
(38:32):
He's been in 40 movies.
He has a single picture on IMDb and it is of him in Moonstruck.
He peaked too early. Yeah.
What do we get off on that tangent?
I don't know. I just wanted to.
The grandma Bobo fucks.
Johnny Cucks, Johnny Cucks.
Yeah, Moonstruck.
(38:52):
Again, watching it again and again and again, it's like every time I watch him,
like, I really like this movie.
It's very fun. It's very pleasant.
The music is enjoyable.
It moves at a good clip.
Like the cast is fucking amazing.
Going back to Bobo for a second.
But what about it?
Listen, if you want to talk about Bobo, we can talk about Bobo.
I will always make space for Bobo.
(39:14):
That actor, I was just like looking at his credits.
That's Robert Watt.
Robert Wheel.
W.E.L.
Robert Wheel is in a movie called
the Hudsucker Proxy.
Have you never seen that?
That's the Coen Brothers.
Not.
Dude, it's so good. Never heard of this movie.
(39:35):
OK, because I'm just looking at the cast.
I'm like, I'm going to go watch this as soon as we get done here.
Fucking John Mahoney, Bruce Campbell.
You're going to love that movie. It's so good.
Tim Robbins.
Yeah, he invents the hula hoop.
This all tracks. All right.
It's fucking good. It's very good.
Go watch that movie.
Yeah. Bobo's in it.
Ah, yes. Cage match, where you find out about all the non Nicholas Cage films
(39:59):
you should be watching.
Hey, we've been talking about these same movies for like 30 fucking.
We've been talking about these same movies for almost three years.
Yeah, we can we can talk about other shit.
It's true. Has it been three years?
I've just been locked in this basement.
What is time? Yeah.
OK. Honest, like, I mean, honestly, at a certain point,
if we can't talk about other things, each episode would be like.
(40:21):
So Raisin, Arizona, Raisin, Arizona.
It's good.
Nicholas Cage and Penises.
That's all we talk about.
Listen, we know what we're best at. Yeah.
We have Moonstruck.
So its path to here was a honeymoon in Vegas,
almost one 그때 at max like six hours,
I would say like a five applaud earlier,
Lookout For War Front Kris Line Starting
(40:51):
Mess movement, that was it on these POE combat
this.
Moonstruck.
And the two best test Afghan
blackmailers or iron man?
One test army of one
I definitely love Army of One, but yeah,
Moonstruck is a well constructed film
and Army of One did have some like sags in it.
(41:13):
Yeah.
But but it's so much fun.
Oh, I love Army of One, man.
I still really was thinking about this.
I do think that we need to do some sort of, you know, retrospective
after we're done with the actual main bracket and watch a couple of these,
you know, like Primal and Army of One again and adaptation.
We need to do it.
We need to adaptation.
We definitely need to rewatch and like talk about again.
(41:35):
We know so much more.
We're so much better at this.
Well, we're less bad at it.
We're different at this.
At least let's not start talking like we're going to make different choices, though.
No, I mean, I still kind of stand by what we made.
100 percent.
No, I don't want to like do that, but I don't.
And I don't ever want to fucking do two movies per episode
(41:56):
for any podcast in the future again.
Never. But I think going back and.
Like.
Primal adaptation, just like watching some of these movies
that got dropped off early for some for better reasons than others.
Be fun to go back and actually talk about
(42:17):
outside of this setup.
Though, like in public,
like just watch a movie and then meet up at a park and start talking.
The strangers. Yeah.
Let's meet at a cemetery. I like that.
Oh, can we pass out like literature?
Yes. Telling people to watch Nicolas Cage films.
I want to make a zine.
(42:37):
Yeah, we can go hang out by a Pacific place downtown
next to the guy playing the zither or whatever.
And the one talking about Jesus.
Yes. Hand out flyers about Nick Cage.
Yeah. About primal.
Great. I check.
But yeah, Moonstruck
still said that such a great cast, everything about it.
(42:59):
It fucks it cucks.
It does everything you need.
Yeah. Yeah.
Oh, boy. Do you?
I can't remember what our favorite parts of the film was before,
but was there anything like that really got you hard this time?
I'm always.
OK, yeah, phrasing.
(43:20):
But I'm going to stick with it.
I still love like the sweeping the table and like like she
Sharon Saltzim.
He's like, Oh, I'm not going to take that sweeps
the fucking drinks off the table and the steak that she made of meat.
It's like, I'm taking you to the bedroom.
(43:40):
Fucking dumbass voice.
He does. He sounds so stupid in that.
Where are you taking me?
To the bedroom.
To my futon.
I love watching him like that steak just like with the hand
just kind of crammed between fake fingers and just like sawing at it.
(44:00):
Yeah, he was an absolute animal.
He had a wolf in him.
Yeah, I love the wolf.
Just I love just both their performances like.
I think you think of Cher, at least I think of Cher as like.
The cultural icon she became.
So seeing like seeing Loretta, seeing this very kind of just matter of fact,
(44:23):
just person who's just kind of like giving up on life, just like, I'm here.
I'm going to get married, I guess.
But just seeing that.
Not the.
The caffeine is dipping quickly.
Oh, go do a.
Go put some grounds in your butt.
Yeah, get some instant and just kind of.
(44:44):
Yeah, boof it.
And give me give me five minutes.
I can make myself another cup.
Yeah, no.
Loretta is the like antithesis of Cher.
Like, yeah. Oh, totally.
Well, OK, so I like how she yeah, she's very kind of.
(45:04):
Ho ho matter of fact, just like regular and Nick Cage.
She starts down here. Nick Cage starts up here.
And by the end, they're kind of both like.
Wild swings and like their personalities, like by the end.
He's kind of a normal dude.
Yeah, he's got manners.
(45:24):
Well, he was he probably always had manners.
I mean, he definitely had like culture.
He loved opera, that kind of stuff.
He definitely was very dramatic, you know?
I mean, it's like high mood swings and.
Well, he'd been stewing in his own problems for so long.
Sure. Like he like he definitely just broods down there.
He's in a basement.
Showing bread into a hot hole all day.
(45:48):
Thinking about like a scene that really got like got me this time
in a way that I hadn't really noticed before.
I can't remember the exact line.
I just like watch this scene again.
It's right when he gets to their house in the morning,
like before the kitchen table scene where Loretta's mom's like,
it's like your mother's OK.
And he just like he just very matter of fact, he just stays that like he like
(46:12):
doesn't mean anything to him.
Yeah. Yeah.
Just very matter of fact.
It's like, that's good.
Doesn't affect me.
I still love how much Chrissy loves Ronnie.
Oh, absolutely.
Chrissy, get me the big knife.
I'm going to kill myself.
I love that man.
(46:32):
And he has no idea.
What a weird subplot.
Yeah. That never goes anywhere.
It's like it exists for what?
One scene. Yeah.
And it's so you know that people want to fuck him.
He's in high demand.
Yeah. He's highly charismatic.
He's a wolf. Yeah.
That there is love that he is not seeing because of his own pain.
(46:54):
Yeah. True.
Because he's been brooding in that dark hole.
Shave a little bread.
Hot bread hole.
It's hot bread hole.
Dungeon. The bread dungeon loves in
his bun dungeon.
Well, OK.
I mean, I feel like there's nothing else really to say.
Right. No, these are both terrific.
(47:16):
Great movies. They're fucking great.
They have their own merits.
Yeah, they're.
I'm glad we got to go through this adventure
to get here to these two films.
Yeah, I am so happy with both these films.
I love both these.
Like, I will continue to watch both these movies for the rest of my life.
For most of them in my life.
(47:37):
Yep. I could.
Yeah, I can recommend any.
I can recommend either of these movies to most anyone like who wants to like,
you know, give me a written Nicholas Cage recommendation like
these are both great.
Are we are we saying what we're voting on?
Are we there yet?
Yeah, I think we're ready for that.
I mean, we covered Portland strip clubs versus Seattle strip clubs.
We covered Nick being five men in a trench coat.
(48:00):
Yeah, three of them.
We got to say, yeah, right.
Three.
Right. You've added one.
Yeah, we added one.
It happened in.
I remember.
You know what, Sean?
This is two callbacks in a trench coat.
It's just personal growth.
I'm growing as a person.
And as a person, I'm growing a third penis. Yeah.
(48:21):
Who happens to be an adult in a trench coat?
That's this.
This is the worst goose bumps ever.
This is the worst goose bumps ever.
OK, so Sean, put it on on file.
What are you what are you saying?
I raise in Arizona.
Both these movies are great, but one of them is
most struck as a share movie.
Raising Arizona is a cage movie.
(48:43):
I think that's the best assessment.
They're both terrific films, terrific performances
and great cast in both of them.
Both of them are stacked cast.
But absolutely.
Raising Arizona is the most Nicholas Cage of the films there.
So I agree.
Yeah, definitely. Raising Arizona.
Yeah, I can't argue with that.
I mean, I love Moonstruck.
(49:04):
I might even love Moonstruck more.
But for this purpose, I think it's got to be raising Arizona.
Moonstruck is definitely the mature comedy.
And I mean, like when our friend Michael
heard the pair up, he was like, oh, Moonstruck all the way for me.
And I was like, you know what? That absolutely tracks.
Mm hmm. Like, well, and it's a good film.
(49:26):
Like I watch it and I absolutely think like, oh, this is a terrific film.
It should always be.
And so he has to like it.
Yeah, that's probably true.
Hand talkers. Yeah.
Also for me, just the big guy in a little room fight scene will always be.
Oh, my God. It's just so good.
Oh, good. When he drags his knuckles on the popcorn.
(49:47):
I'm just trying to do the like the Captain Kirk like over the back, like.
Slay. And that's exactly what it is.
He rakes his knuckles across the popcorn ceilings,
which as a child, I always looked up at him like, that looks like it hurts.
Yeah. And just the scream he makes when he does it.
It's I love that movie. It's so good. It's terrific.
Also, maybe one of my favorite John Goodman performances.
(50:10):
Boy, yeah, I don't know if I could ever.
Nailed that like you more of a Fred Flintstone.
No, but I'm really loving Righteous Gemstones.
Fair. And that is getting his fourth season soon.
Yeah, Big Lebowski is so good.
He's really good as the ambulance driver and bringing out the dead.
Yeah, I really liked
(50:32):
Cloverfield Paradox.
I think that was, you know, Cloverfield Lane.
That's the one he was in.
That was a surprisingly good role. Yeah.
So yeah, he's he's a very varied.
Yeah. Actor like he and Margot Martindale, just like great, great actors.
Yeah. Just put them in anything.
You're like, yeah, nice.
It's like, I'm ready for this.
(50:53):
One of my favorite ongoing jokes from Bo Bo Jack Horseman was
character actress Margot Martindale.
So good.
Yeah, no fucking great fucking film, which means we have our first
final matchup for
we do. Yeah, welcome to the final four skin.
Hi, McDonough. You are up against Cameron Poe.
(51:15):
Oh, man. I know.
I'm going to have to beat myself up over whatever opinion I make on this one.
I'm going to hate myself or eliminate either.
OK, I do have one.
There's one more thing about Raisin, Arizona.
I noticed on this watch that
I never noticed before, and it makes me crack up
is the final scene when they're an old couple.
(51:37):
And like you see just in the old couple from behind.
That's definitely them in just heavy like in wigs
because that old guy has the biggest back muscles.
He's still fit.
It's like Jack Lillane.
It's like I know they could have just gotten they could have just gotten
(51:57):
like old people.
It's so weird to show their faces.
They don't give them makeup.
It's just from behind.
So it goes like makes it just so weird to just see like
yoked old man.
Just wheel out fucking 1987 Joe Biden.
Yeah, exactly.
Still old as fuck.
(52:17):
I can't remember.
If I told the story last time, you can cut it, but
I know we have to keep it for posterity.
I don't remember when this happened.
I got chicken.
I got chicken the other day and I was texting with Nick
and we were talking about Star Wars skeleton crew
and how I actually liked it despite not really liking child actors
(52:40):
or like child protagonists.
But I really like these guys.
And I was texting with Nick, but also like getting text message
from the chicken restaurant I was going to pick up food at.
And I thought I was responding to Nick with the text.
The stranger things kids are like over 18 now.
That means I can fight him, right?
And Nick didn't respond.
I looked at him.
(53:00):
I texted that to the chicken place.
What did they think? Did they agree?
They did not respond.
It's weird that they didn't have opinions on that.
No, no, I think you mentioned that
during our game the other day.
So so the only one who gets to hear this story twice aside from me.
(53:20):
Nice. Hi, Nathan.
That's right.
That one's for the Sparkle buddies.
Yeah, speaking of, he's a he's a cage dancer. Yeah.
Yeah. So speaking of, thank you for our supporters.
And if you're interested in following us on social media,
it's cage underscore match underscore pod to our Sparkle buddies.
Thank you, Josh, Sean, Josie, Rico, Matt, Adam and Bill.
And to our cage dancers, Ira, John, Freeman, Lance, Nathan and Cameron.
(53:44):
Yeah. So if you want to hear Sean tell the same story ad nauseum
for the rest of your life, just give us five bucks a month.
There you go. Just forever.
You'll get one story in the mail every week.
It'll be the same story every week spoken slightly differently.
Sometimes handwritten. Yeah, there you go.
That's the benefit of joining and supporting cage.
(54:05):
This is a lie. We do not give that much.
But anyone who is a cage dancer will and actually Sparkle buddies, too,
will be getting some special shit for our finale.
So yeah, we've got that at least special shit.
You guys should feel fucking lucky. Yeah.
I made you some things. Oh, snap.
Is it a baby?
Are you finally getting rid of some of these babies you've got?
(54:27):
You got to divide them.
It's like only one of them's a baby.
Yeah. All right.
Good episode. Yeah. Terrific.
We're great. We're pretty good.
Oh,
bye bye.
(54:52):
Or did you want to say anything about the movies
Moonstruck or Raising Arizona?
No, yeah.
Well, this is better than you just moaning at the door, so.
I have a squirt bottle.
Just open the door and like squirt on the face.
Yeah, that would have probably not worked in this situation.
Probably made it worse. Yeah.
(55:16):
Yeah, OK.
Put pepper in the water.
That'll that'll won't make that mistake twice.
They say put pepper in the water.
Yeah. Yeah.
OK. Right in the eyes.
I won't bother anybody.
Just a little homemade mace.
That's it's a nice thing.
It's training mace.
It's exactly you keep it.
(55:36):
You keep it pretty loose.
You got to build up that immunity to it.
So when you get a full blast in the face later, you're just like, come at me.
Yeah. So you can fucking protest the pigs downtown.
Give me more. Mayday.
Yeah, exactly. Get ready.
Let's fucking tear it up.
God. All right.
This was OK.
He was 23 when these movies came out, which means he would have been like
(55:59):
21, 22 when they were making these things.
Weird. Yeah.
Pretty wild to think about. Yeah.
Yeah. What have we done with our lives?
This you've had kids.
I've had kids and I've made this podcast. Yeah.
Oh, I sorry.
I didn't know we were talking about the positive things we've done.
(56:21):
Oh, sure. Oh, you want the bad things?
Yeah, yeah, clearly this podcast is tops, but I'm still ready
to fight a child today.
I haven't fought one yet. Box a toddler.
Yeah, I believe that was the phrase that came up.
I don't remember why.
It's a toddler. Who cares?
Just the fact that the desire exists inside of me is enough.
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