October 31, 2023 • 38 mins
Have you ever felt trapped in a loveless marriage or wrestled with the aftermath of domestic abuse? We've got an eye-opening episode today that will evoke a myriad of emotions. Our guest courageously narrates her journey through a bitter marriage, the consequent divorce, and the brutal court battles that followed. She navigates us through the labyrinth of her inner turmoil, with her faith as her compass, in a society that had a tendency of leaning towards judgment rather than empathy.
The conversation deepens as she recounts her survivor's tale of domestic abuse and the trials she faced in the legal system. With thousands spent on court and attorney fees, she reveals how she was driven towards law school and mediation as an alternative to traditional courts. These experiences paved the way for her groundbreaking organization, I Am Pro Se, which aims to provide crucial resources and support for other abuse survivors, particularly Black survivors, in association with the Black Domestic Violence Collective.
We then traverse the often overlooked struggles of Black survivors, confronting issues like post-separation abuse and the hurdles in reaching out for help. Our guest underlines the necessity to support not just survivors, but also the abusers. The conversation culminates in a profound reflection on salvation, and the transformative power of making Jesus the center of one's life. Laced with insightful perspectives on love, faith, and resilience, this episode is sure to touch hearts and minds alike. Tune in for an emotional rollercoaster that will leave you with renewed courage and hope.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
But the only thing that was there was the Gideon
Bible.
You know, in every room.
So we're at the West End andthe Gideon Bible is there and
I'm just reading and I'm reading, and then finally I say you
know what, god, I give it to you.
I say God, I give it to youBecause if I would have went
(00:20):
back, y'all would have beeninterviewing me in a sale.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Welcome to the Call by God podcast with Adne Godet
and myself, nixon Sylvain.
This show is about dialogues ofbiblical characters and
testimonies of Christians whosubmitted to the will of God.
Each week, we bring on oneguest so that they can share
their story of how they werecalled by God.
I hope this show inspires you.
(00:47):
Enjoy, hello world.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Welcome to another week of I said, okay, she was
like but the issue is he wantseverything, right.
And then I was like, no.
(01:11):
So I called him.
I said hey, let's do this.
I said I get it.
You can have everything.
That's there.
The only thing I want are mychildren.
You can, if you can, help me,pay for daycare up until they
get into elementary.
Then you don't have to worryabout child support.
(01:32):
Because I never believed inforcing a man to take care of
his kids.
He said I don't care about.
And then I told him about thehouse.
I was like, hey, we could sellthe house.
It's equity in it.
We could sell the house andthen split it in that way.
Our credit, this and that.
That's what I'm talking,because once I'm good, I'm good.
(01:55):
He said I don't care about mycredit and I sure don't care
about yours.
He said I'm not giving you adime, okay.
So of course we ended up incourt.
By this time I got me aattorney.
And so my background?
Of course I'm a paralegal.
(02:16):
That's my background.
I'm a paralegal, I do all thelegal stuff.
He drags this out for two yearsover a water bill.
He drags it out.
I don't want anything.
I literally don't want anythingbut my kids.
And he made the associate judgeso mad.
(02:36):
He lied and said that we wereseparated a year before we were
actually separated.
And she said, oh, okay, and I'msitting here.
I'm just like why are youtelling the story?
She said, no, so what I'm gonnado is backtrack child support
to that timeframe.
And so he ended up.
So this is the thing.
If I ever have to go back andwhen you're dealing with someone
(02:57):
who's somewhat of a narcissistor a narcissist or has a person
in a personality disorder, Iwould have pleaded and begged
that she never do that.
I would have pleaded and beggedjust give me my kids and let me
move on.
Because he flipped out when itcame to getting that child
support.
(03:17):
He flipped out every time.
It was a constant reminder ofhim having to pay.
I didn't even want him on it,but the court I was in, which
people don't realize you don'thave to go that route.
You can create whateveragreement that you want to
create, but the court goesthrough that process because
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they want to go through it.
But so when she did that, thatwas on temporary orders.
So my cars were vandalized, mywhere I stayed.
It was always drama.
It was recommended by where Ilived that I moved in with
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family that was part of mysafety plan the females so I
called them Kunkibans.
It was Kunkiban one, two, three.
I called him Kunkiban.
He ended up marrying Kunkibannumber three, but I called him
Kunkibans and they would.
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I mean I went through it.
So I ended up having to move inwith my mom and dad, but during
that timeframe he would submitfalse police reports and welfare
checks.
I went through about 75 withina year of false police reports
and welfare checks, and this isduring the course of us still
(04:49):
going through a divorce.
Finally, the day of the divorce, he turned around.
He had the kids.
That weekend before we weresupposed to finalize divorce, I
had a beautiful friend whogifted me a divorce vacation and
I was really thankful.
So during this time in dealingwith the church, they saw what I
(05:13):
was going through and he wasactually taking Kunkibans around
the different churches and sopeople were calling, elders were
calling my dad saying, hey, weknow, this is not his wife, and
then I had elders, wives anddeacons wives pulling me to the
side at events and told me thatI'm embarrassing my family.
(05:36):
So it was almost like man aregoing to cheat.
You just need to accept it.
That's what was being reallyrelayed to me Until you had the
core group, who really saw whatwas going on, who came and tried
to pour inspiration to me.
But then I had the otherelements out there who talked
(05:59):
about me.
I lost friends.
People removed themselves fromme when I was going through this
process, and even at aconference I had one that was
like we got women over herepromoting to leave this and that
.
So I am one that's very to thepoint.
(06:19):
So I get up and get a mic.
It was like why do you have anissue?
That I chose option two.
I know that I'm right with God.
I know this.
It's not a question.
I'm right with God, and at thistime it was almost like a
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relief because I knew he didn'tlove me.
There's no way you love me Ifyou treat me like this.
There's no way you love me.
So I was at peace.
Feel sorry for my kids, don'tfeel sorry for me, but you need
to sweep around your own frontdoor because if you decide to
stay in marriage and you knowthat you're in a loveless place,
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god is going to hold youaccountable.
He's going to look at you.
You gotta get your relationshipright with him because he is
love.
So if you're in a lovelessplace, he is not there.
So don't come looking at mewhen you know, we know your
husband is going around thewhole church trying to date
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anything with a skirt.
So that was the stuff I wasgoing through.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
So how long you been married before he filed for
divorce?
Like how long Eight?
Speaker 1 (07:31):
years, eight years.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Eight years wow.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
So we're at the final hearing and he tells me I
wasn't even going to file on you.
He was like but you left and Iwas like, are you kidding me?
It's me.
But then that's the normalcy.
The normalcy is it's your fault, you did this.
I wasn't even going to moveforward on this.
(07:56):
So he had the kids that weekbefore.
So we get to court.
I get the kids back that Monday.
My daughter has a prick C in hercheek and so it's inflamed and
I'm looking like like what isthat?
Like?
So took her to the hospital.
They had just came back fromthe pediatrician that Friday.
(08:19):
So when they left to go withhim, they were perfect.
So my daughter has this C inher face.
I'm like what in the world isthat?
So her doctor who was amazinghad put ointment on.
She said hopefully she's.
I don't know why.
I said that it wasn't awingworm, it wasn't right.
Like she said, I don't know why, it's a perfect C.
(08:40):
We get into court, got it?
We get into court and she turnsaround and says or his attorney
.
I'm on the stand.
His attorney comes at me andsays are you dating somebody
named Chris?
So I look at him and I said didyou prick a C in my baby's face
(09:01):
?
I said I don't know why.
It's a perfect C.
I said did you prick a C in mybaby's face?
Did you literally prick a C inmy baby's face?
So the judge is like wait what?
And so I have the pictures onmy phone because I didn't know
what this was.
So then my mom, I'm supposed toleave and go out to Cayman
(09:21):
Islands after that.
Right, my mom.
So after the judge looks at it,they realize certain things.
I get full custody of the kids.
And then I get there arecertain other things that I got
within the divorce.
And my mom is looking at mebecause I'm livid.
I'm like, okay, we about to.
(09:44):
This is going like because nowyou did something that I didn't
think you would ever do.
So my mom is like no, you gottaget on the plane, I'll handle
it.
My mom was trying to get me out.
I get on the plane.
We get to Cayman Islands.
As soon as we land they shuteverything down because it's a
(10:05):
tropical storm.
No planes going in, no planesgoing out.
So I still, I got my mom on thephone because I'm like okay,
I'm leaving here, I don't carewhat nobody say so.
They found out.
So my daughter had a C in herface, my son had a C in his
ankle.
My like prick C's on him andI'm like what?
(10:26):
Like?
So I'm like I'm coming home,right, I get to the airport
they're like no, you cannotleave, nobody can leave, I ain't
livid.
I call all his people, I callall these people.
I said, when I get back, I'm aprick E in your face.
(10:48):
That's how I mean I was.
You can't even imagine thefeeling.
I cried.
I cried so for like going ontwo to three days, couldn't
leave the island and it was notuntil the only thing so that we
were on.
They were on, you know, it waslimited lights, all kind of
(11:12):
stuff, but the only thing thatwas there was the Gideon Bible,
you know, in every room.
So we're at the West end andthe Gideon Bible is there and
I'm just reading and I'm reading, and then finally I say you
know what, god, I give it to you.
I said, god, I give it to youBecause if I would have went
(11:34):
back, y'all would have beeninterviewing me in a sale what,
and I don't know what we got.
So y'all would have beeninterviewing me in a sale.
But then after that the sun cameout shining, I ended up coming
(11:54):
back and then it just got worse.
I came back, the investigationthey said was botched because
the investigator admitted thatshe there was a relationship
going on between her and myhusband and so then that was on.
(12:15):
So we were able to move fromwhere we were because he kept on
doing foster police reportswhere my father lived.
So we were able to move to thecolony.
So during this timeframe I'mtraveling to go and be in the
presence of my brother'steaching, and so when we get
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there it just gets worse.
Because he would not pick themup from school on time.
He, steady, would not pick them.
He would call me the day of andsay, hey, I can't get them.
So that's a form of course ofcontrol, because now you're
controlling my schedule, youknow where I'm gonna be, I gotta
pick them up at this time, youknow that they're with me.
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He would come the next day andsay, hey, I'll come pick them up
the next day.
Then he would come.
He found my information throughthe school district because
before they had my informationwhere he didn't need to know it
because of the history and whathad transpired, so he found my
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information show up so he wouldcome on the next day and then
come and bring them back early.
It was just, it was no way tolive and I lived underneath fear
.
I lived underneath completefear and people kept telling me
hey, you need to take them backto court.
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You need to take them back tocourt.
You can't continue to operatein this manner.
There would be days where hewould just decide he's just not
gonna bring them or he'll try topick them up early.
It was he would not follow aschedule appropriately, and so
God continually blessed me.
I got a director position, salesdirector of Jenny Craig and my
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kids.
A lot of times they were ableto just be there with me, or it
was a venture kids down the wayand they were so loving they
were like just bring the kids.
I didn't even have money for ita lot of times and so God would
make a way.
But so the biggest regret thatI ever had was I was instructed
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by the police.
We had another incident.
I was instructed by the policethat I need to take this back to
court.
So I needed to take it back tocourt because my job was
transitioning, so there neededto be changes anyway.
So I took it back to court andI'll say one thing before I know
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we have to wrap up, but there's, I'll say this one thing God
never intended even though heleft the faith, god never
intended for Christians to takeeach other to court.
Now, with him leaving the faith, that's different.
He took me right, god bless,but for me to take him God never
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intended.
There were other alternatives.
I didn't even know, but therewere other alternatives that
could have transpired instead oftaking my brother to court,
which when people say what's thebiggest regret?
That was one of the biggestregrets.
If I could do over, I wouldhave did it differently.
And then that became so thisbecame.
(15:39):
Now we're in like year threeafter I divorced, going into
four.
And then that began the 14years of litigation family court
litigation that he took methrough.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
And I was like what's the big deal?
I know this is getting goodright and it can even get better
, but I want to definitely savesome time for you to discuss
just briefly about domesticviolence.
But before we get into that,and for those that's listening
to Elizabeth's story, Glory toGod.
(16:21):
I know a little bit about astory.
God has given her the victorylitigation and all this law
situation and I'm sure she couldcorrect me when she had her
opportunity to speak.
But, sister Elizabeth, I wantyou to briefly talk about I am
pro se.
I definitely wanna have a time,cause this is huge, cause I
(16:42):
know, based on everything thatyou experience within your
marriage and even in the pastand the things that you shared,
and I know your organization isdedicated to serving Black
survivors of domestic violence,which you work.
Cause you are a survivor ofdomestic violence and I
definitely wanna make some timefor you to talk about this.
(17:03):
So correct me if I'm wrong.
Talk about your litigationsituation just briefly and talk
about the origin of I am pro se.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
So 14 years.
So I was steady, taking backand forth to court and a lot of
survivors.
This is what they go through,especially if they are dealing
with an abuser or a perpetratorthat has the means to go back
and forth to court.
And courts are structured in acapitalist situation so the more
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money you spend they actuallycreate that type of environment.
And so in my eighth year afterbeing in court back and forth at
the only reason why it evenlasts that long is because of my
knowledge as a paralegal so inmy eighth year there were things
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that were very shocking thatoccurred within the court to the
point where they changedcustody over where he was able
to get full custody at one point.
So in my eighth year I saidthis is ridiculous.
By this time I had spent closeto, I think almost 200,000, in
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court fees and attorney fees anddifferent things like that.
And so I got to the point whereI said this is ridiculous.
While I pay another attorney, Ineed to go ahead and go to law
school.
But I learned about somethingthat was that that I didn't they
didn't introduce because of thehistory of my case, which was
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mediation.
So I got into Pepperdown Law.
I actually got into PepperdineLaw the same day that he
actually picked my kids up from,because I got my kid, I got, I
got my kids back.
And then he came back after noteven dealing with them for two
(18:58):
years and Pick my kids up fromschool and made false claims
against me that I had to provein court that that those were
false.
But it takes time.
So I didn't see my kids foralmost two years.
I didn't have access to mychildren, but it was the same
day that I started PepperdineLaw, and so when I got into
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Pepperdine Law, I was able toidentify that Mediation is
another form of our way toresolve Conflict and issues.
It doesn't have to be soheightened and there's a safe
way to be able to do this, andso the day that I graduated is
actually the day that I gotaccess back to my children, but
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I was able to Utilize my skillsthere to be able to really get
full custody back of my kids,and so I am pro.
Se is actually birthed out ofthat.
It's birthed out of Seeing whatwas transpiring within the
court system for survivors andthen also what in going through
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so, black survivors many timesdo not receive the same type of
resources as others, and so whatwe do is we're really a
connector.
We're the host for the blackdomestic violence collective,
which is Black-led organizationsfrom all across the United
States, and we connect, so we'recalled upon if anyone is in
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need or they know someone blackwomen in our black community,
even some men.
We do not.
We do not basically Reveal whatis happening personally with
within our own situations, whichis why, right now, our black
femicide, the death of blackwomen and girls, is so high.
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We're three times more likelythan any other race to die from
domestic violence by an intimatepartner, and so, I am pro se,
what we do is we confidentiallyHelp those who are in need.
We're connectors, we're also inadvocacy, so we reach out.
We try to make sure that thosethat are in place receive the
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support in the and the resourcesthat they need so that they can
stay Alive.
The worst time for blacksurvivors is when they
transition away, and it's whenthey do get away, and so that's
so I am pro se was birthed outof that.
There is no fear on this endWith that and the way.
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The reason why we're differentis we don't just look at the
survivor.
We also look at the abuserperpetrator, because a lot of
times within the black communitythere are heightened things
that have occurred and what wedo is we reach out and we give
brothers within the body ofChrist.
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We get brothers to surround Ifwe're able to get to the abuser
perpetrator and ask them hey,what support system do you need?
So we pull brothers that we know, that are about the body and
that want to really work in theLord and Really serve in the
community.
We really we pull them and say,hey, can you minister to or can
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you support this, this brotherwho is having a really difficult
time in the relationship, andso we get her resources and we
also get him resources andinstead of it just being all
focused on the survivor who getsaway, we also service to help,
because what we don't want isthat abuser are there
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Puppetrated and I get the helpthat they need, and then they
get someone else and they do thesame thing.
So that's where I am pro sestemmed out of and we're just
excited that, like we're here,we we've gotten some pushback
because because people don'tlike to talk about it within the
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church, but but this is, thisis, it's everywhere and and we
have to eradicate it before youcame on.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
When I thought about domestic violence, I thought
about, okay, only women be goingthrough it.
But yet again I looked, Ilooked at the, the Department of
Justice, and that says thatdomestic violence is, is, it's,
it's, it's a plethora things.
It's physical abuse, sexual,emotional, economic,
psychological and technicalabuse.
So my question, to use that if,if a male figure is getting
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abused, what's the first line ofaction that that male should do
?
Because typically it's notfound in men.
Men are usually the ones theabusers, but I'm sure that
there's a small percentage ofmen that get abuse.
So you know what was the first.
Well, what would be the firstline of action for a brother or
male to take if he's gettingabused?
Speaker 1 (24:04):
So the first line is to actually call someone like I
am pro se and really identifywhat type of abuse that they're
going through and then to set upa type of action plan to
address that abuse.
So if they it's not about justgoing straight into or focusing
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on the abuser or the perpetratoryou want to be able to, for
that person to know okay, theseare the ways that abuse is
occurring, this is what isactually happening within the
relationship, and so you wanthim to be able to know and then
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identify the resources andwhat's needed.
And for me, and a lot of times,it is confidentiality, because
it's embarrassing or seen asbeing embarrassing.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Yeah, so you want, you want to be able to take that
, or have them get the resourcesand to know what's available
for them and then make a plan ofaction.
You should never go into thesituation where you're telling
you know the person or thesurvivor, you know what they
(25:25):
should do.
You want to just provide theresources because they know
their situation better thananyone.
So you just want to show themhey, these are the options,
these are some things that arethere.
What would you like to do, orwhat do you think will be best
for you and a good?
So really identifying anadvocate and then putting
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together a plan of action inthat manner.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
How would one become an advocate and work with IAM
process?
Speaker 1 (25:55):
So definitely you can reach out to us.
We do all types of training.
We are actually really in needat this time, especially in
certain areas, but you wouldreach out and then we would
actually schedule you fortraining If you're actually
within the body of Christ.
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We also established and our Ifound a organization called IAM
Pro Say and it's actually aBible Women's Ministry.
It is the national supportingorganization for the Black
Domestic Violence Collective andit is a place where you can
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work and you can also reallybecome an advocate for those who
are fleeing.
So, basically, this is thisministry is a space where you
can really you can really doGod's work in helping those
directly affected by domesticviolence.
Or, like I said, you candefinitely reach out to IAM Pro
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Say and just say, literally sendan email and say, hey, I want
to volunteer, I would love tobecome an advocate, and we'll
put a plan together for you tobecome an advocate, especially
within your community.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
I love it.
I love it because this is thething I know.
Like you said, most of us whenI mean us, I mean African
Americans we don't like to speakup, and someone posed that
question to me like, hey, nick,you know, for male was getting
abused, what would you do,especially if he's a husband?
So I know I'm in a body.
(27:35):
Now, this is not limited, thisis only limited to those that
are in a body, or is it just foreverybody, everyone, everyone,
okay, so do you have like a 800number or hotline folks that are
listening that could call ifthey're going through such we
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always advise to actually callthe main hotline, but we do have
a source.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
So if you go to IAMProSayorg and you actually
dive into the contact, ourcontact form actually alerts us
and we're able to reach back out.
What we found, especially forBlack survivors, is normally
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they're able to get away.
It is the post separation abuse.
80% of our issues are postseparation abuses.
It is when they actually haveleft.
So if they're in, it definitelycall the national hotline and
but if they, if, like a lot ofour survivors, when they're away
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or they get away, the big thingis if you put that information
in our contact, it actuallydings us and then we're able to
identify and respond to you theway that you wanna be responded.
Black women move a little bitdifferent and they text or
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they'll say, hey, I'll give youa call.
At this time, versus othercultures, we move different.
So the best way for us to getcontact within our network is
through that contact, thatcontact page, and we yeah, we're
right on it when it comes tothat.
(29:30):
But if it's like immediateemergency, of course, and, like
I said, our black women a lot oftimes we don't like to contact
or call the police because weend up being arrested.
So we use different means andbut if you're in a state where
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you need immediate, definitelythe national domestic violence
hotline.
But if you in a post separationand you're still getting, you're
getting threats, you're gettingstalked, you're getting
followed there are certainthings that are coming up like
court that may happen, or youjust don't feel safe, what we
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will do?
You put that contactinformation.
We'll actually come out to yourhome, we'll do like a whole
safety.
We'll bring out safety toolsand resources for you, even down
to getting a camera for yourhome or anything that we see,
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that we observe, and we'll putan action plan together and
we'll try to make sure that youstay in a safe environment, in a
safe place.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Amen, all right.
So this is what we're gonna do.
We're gonna have to ask onelast question.
But before we do ask our lastquestion, I wanna say this I
don't.
I know you guys heardElizabeth's story.
She is, yes, she is a survivorof domestic abuse, but also she
is a powerful woman of God, awoman of God that's doing so
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many things for the kingdom ofGod.
She first got her call when shewas young and she's been doing
great works.
And also she had a loveless,loveless marriage for eight
years.
Now, I never want you guys totake this story and discourage
y'all from getting married,because you know I don't want
the enemy to say, okay, this iswhy I don't wanna get married,
because you never know who yourspouse is.
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That's not why Sister Elizabethshared her story.
Sister Elizabeth was sharing herstory to highlight and capture
some of the moments that shewent through in her life as a
Christian.
As a result, because peoplethink that Christians are
perfect, like we don't have baddays.
Yes, we have a whole lot of baddays, but also we have good
days as well.
But our goal is to encourageyou to draw closer to Christ in
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times of adversity, at times ofwhen you're down and feeling
blue.
This is the time that you'resupposed to get closer to God,
not run away from God.
So we never wanna discourageanybody from being married,
because marriage is a beautifulthing and it's something that's
originated from God.
That's why they say choose yourspouse wisely, choose your
spouse wisely.
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But other than that, I thank youso much, sister Elizabeth, for
sharing your story, because Ithank you again for your
transparency, because we needthat more in the church, because
the church is like a hospital.
We go through stuff and peoplesometimes think that you're
supposed to be all bubbly,bubbly, all Jesus, jesus.
No, we gotta be real with eachother.
We gotta tell each other ourreal situations because, like
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you said, we need prayer and weknow the power of prayer prayer
in action, fasting prayer action, fasting prayer, action and we
need a whole lot of that.
But my final question to you,sister Elizabeth, and this is a
spiritual question when yourassignment is complete on earth,
what do you wanna be rememberedfor?
Speaker 1 (32:51):
That I lived in no fear in doing what God called me
to do.
I think that that is the.
You know, a lot of times we'reafraid of actually going all in
for God, which goes back to howmuch I wanna make sure the world
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understands and knows I loveGod, I'm in love with Him, and
when he calls me to do what hecalls me to do, no matter, you
know, no matter what I may face,that he knows that I won't
leave Him, that I will,unapologetically and unafraid,
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do the things that he wants meto do.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
Hey man, I could hear the passion in your voice when
you say I love God.
I know you truly love Godbecause I could hear it going
through the airwaves.
Sister Elizabeth, again, thankyou again for sharing.
But I know someone out theremay say, hey, I need more
information on what she's doingin her community, what she's
doing in the church.
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Where can our listeners findyou?
Speaker 1 (34:05):
You can definitely always email me at Elizabeth at
IAMPROSEorg, and I am there foryou.
So definitely reach out anyquestions, any further
information.
I'm here for you.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
All I can say is thank you.
This is definitely going totouch and help women understand
that they don't have to stay andbe abused.
There is a way out and, mostimportantly, that there is a God
in heaven who loves them somuch and did not create them to
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be abused.
He created them to be loved.
So thank you, sis, thank you.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
Thank you for tuning in to the Call by God podcast
today.
We hope that you have beeninspired by Elizabeth
Stewart-Williams testimony andthat it helped to deepen your
understanding of salvation.
We want to remind you thatsalvation is a free gift from
God, offered to all throughfaith in Jesus Christ.
If you haven't yet acceptedthis gift, we encourage you to
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take some time to reflect onyour relationship with God and
consider what it would mean tomake Jesus the Lord of your life
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Thank you.
But the only thing that was there was the Gideon
Bible.
You know, in every room.
So we're at the West End andthe Gideon Bible is there and
I'm just reading and I'm reading, and then finally I say you
know what, god, I give it to you.
I say God, I give it to youBecause if I would have went
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back, y'all would have beeninterviewing me in a sale.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Welcome to the Call by God podcast with Adne Godet
and myself, nixon Sylvain.
This show is about dialogues ofbiblical characters and
testimonies of Christians whosubmitted to the will of God.
Each week, we bring on oneguest so that they can share
their story of how they werecalled by God.
I hope this show inspires you.
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Enjoy, hello world.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Welcome to another week of I said, okay, she was
like but the issue is he wantseverything, right.
And then I was like, no.
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So I called him.
I said hey, let's do this.
I said I get it.
You can have everything.
That's there.
The only thing I want are mychildren.
You can, if you can, help me,pay for daycare up until they
get into elementary.
Then you don't have to worryabout child support.
(01:32):
Because I never believed inforcing a man to take care of
his kids.
He said I don't care about.
And then I told him about thehouse.
I was like, hey, we could sellthe house.
It's equity in it.
We could sell the house andthen split it in that way.
Our credit, this and that.
That's what I'm talking,because once I'm good, I'm good.
(01:55):
He said I don't care about mycredit and I sure don't care
about yours.
He said I'm not giving you adime, okay.
So of course we ended up incourt.
By this time I got me aattorney.
And so my background?
Of course I'm a paralegal.
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That's my background.
I'm a paralegal, I do all thelegal stuff.
He drags this out for two yearsover a water bill.
He drags it out.
I don't want anything.
I literally don't want anythingbut my kids.
And he made the associate judgeso mad.
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He lied and said that we wereseparated a year before we were
actually separated.
And she said, oh, okay, and I'msitting here.
I'm just like why are youtelling the story?
She said, no, so what I'm gonnado is backtrack child support
to that timeframe.
And so he ended up.
So this is the thing.
If I ever have to go back andwhen you're dealing with someone
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who's somewhat of a narcissistor a narcissist or has a person
in a personality disorder, Iwould have pleaded and begged
that she never do that.
I would have pleaded and beggedjust give me my kids and let me
move on.
Because he flipped out when itcame to getting that child
support.
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He flipped out every time.
It was a constant reminder ofhim having to pay.
I didn't even want him on it,but the court I was in, which
people don't realize you don'thave to go that route.
You can create whateveragreement that you want to
create, but the court goesthrough that process because
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they want to go through it.
But so when she did that, thatwas on temporary orders.
So my cars were vandalized, mywhere I stayed.
It was always drama.
It was recommended by where Ilived that I moved in with
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family that was part of mysafety plan the females so I
called them Kunkibans.
It was Kunkiban one, two, three.
I called him Kunkiban.
He ended up marrying Kunkibannumber three, but I called him
Kunkibans and they would.
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I mean I went through it.
So I ended up having to move inwith my mom and dad, but during
that timeframe he would submitfalse police reports and welfare
checks.
I went through about 75 withina year of false police reports
and welfare checks, and this isduring the course of us still
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going through a divorce.
Finally, the day of the divorce, he turned around.
He had the kids.
That weekend before we weresupposed to finalize divorce, I
had a beautiful friend whogifted me a divorce vacation and
I was really thankful.
So during this time in dealingwith the church, they saw what I
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was going through and he wasactually taking Kunkibans around
the different churches and sopeople were calling, elders were
calling my dad saying, hey, weknow, this is not his wife, and
then I had elders, wives anddeacons wives pulling me to the
side at events and told me thatI'm embarrassing my family.
(05:36):
So it was almost like man aregoing to cheat.
You just need to accept it.
That's what was being reallyrelayed to me Until you had the
core group, who really saw whatwas going on, who came and tried
to pour inspiration to me.
But then I had the otherelements out there who talked
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about me.
I lost friends.
People removed themselves fromme when I was going through this
process, and even at aconference I had one that was
like we got women over herepromoting to leave this and that
.
So I am one that's very to thepoint.
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So I get up and get a mic.
It was like why do you have anissue?
That I chose option two.
I know that I'm right with God.
I know this.
It's not a question.
I'm right with God, and at thistime it was almost like a
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relief because I knew he didn'tlove me.
There's no way you love me Ifyou treat me like this.
There's no way you love me.
So I was at peace.
Feel sorry for my kids, don'tfeel sorry for me, but you need
to sweep around your own frontdoor because if you decide to
stay in marriage and you knowthat you're in a loveless place,
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god is going to hold youaccountable.
He's going to look at you.
You gotta get your relationshipright with him because he is
love.
So if you're in a lovelessplace, he is not there.
So don't come looking at mewhen you know, we know your
husband is going around thewhole church trying to date
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anything with a skirt.
So that was the stuff I wasgoing through.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
So how long you been married before he filed for
divorce?
Like how long Eight?
Speaker 1 (07:31):
years, eight years.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Eight years wow.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
So we're at the final hearing and he tells me I
wasn't even going to file on you.
He was like but you left and Iwas like, are you kidding me?
It's me.
But then that's the normalcy.
The normalcy is it's your fault, you did this.
I wasn't even going to moveforward on this.
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So he had the kids that weekbefore.
So we get to court.
I get the kids back that Monday.
My daughter has a prick C in hercheek and so it's inflamed and
I'm looking like like what isthat?
Like?
So took her to the hospital.
They had just came back fromthe pediatrician that Friday.
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So when they left to go withhim, they were perfect.
So my daughter has this C inher face.
I'm like what in the world isthat?
So her doctor who was amazinghad put ointment on.
She said hopefully she's.
I don't know why.
I said that it wasn't awingworm, it wasn't right.
Like she said, I don't know why, it's a perfect C.
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We get into court, got it?
We get into court and she turnsaround and says or his attorney
.
I'm on the stand.
His attorney comes at me andsays are you dating somebody
named Chris?
So I look at him and I said didyou prick a C in my baby's face
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?
I said I don't know why.
It's a perfect C.
I said did you prick a C in mybaby's face?
Did you literally prick a C inmy baby's face?
So the judge is like wait what?
And so I have the pictures onmy phone because I didn't know
what this was.
So then my mom, I'm supposed toleave and go out to Cayman
(09:21):
Islands after that.
Right, my mom.
So after the judge looks at it,they realize certain things.
I get full custody of the kids.
And then I get there arecertain other things that I got
within the divorce.
And my mom is looking at mebecause I'm livid.
I'm like, okay, we about to.
(09:44):
This is going like because nowyou did something that I didn't
think you would ever do.
So my mom is like no, you gottaget on the plane, I'll handle
it.
My mom was trying to get me out.
I get on the plane.
We get to Cayman Islands.
As soon as we land they shuteverything down because it's a
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tropical storm.
No planes going in, no planesgoing out.
So I still, I got my mom on thephone because I'm like okay,
I'm leaving here, I don't carewhat nobody say so.
They found out.
So my daughter had a C in herface, my son had a C in his
ankle.
My like prick C's on him andI'm like what?
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Like?
So I'm like I'm coming home,right, I get to the airport
they're like no, you cannotleave, nobody can leave, I ain't
livid.
I call all his people, I callall these people.
I said, when I get back, I'm aprick E in your face.
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That's how I mean I was.
You can't even imagine thefeeling.
I cried.
I cried so for like going ontwo to three days, couldn't
leave the island and it was notuntil the only thing so that we
were on.
They were on, you know, it waslimited lights, all kind of
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stuff, but the only thing thatwas there was the Gideon Bible,
you know, in every room.
So we're at the West end andthe Gideon Bible is there and
I'm just reading and I'm reading, and then finally I say you
know what, god, I give it to you.
I said, god, I give it to youBecause if I would have went
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back, y'all would have beeninterviewing me in a sale what,
and I don't know what we got.
So y'all would have beeninterviewing me in a sale.
But then after that the sun cameout shining, I ended up coming
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back and then it just got worse.
I came back, the investigationthey said was botched because
the investigator admitted thatshe there was a relationship
going on between her and myhusband and so then that was on.
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So we were able to move fromwhere we were because he kept on
doing foster police reportswhere my father lived.
So we were able to move to thecolony.
So during this timeframe I'mtraveling to go and be in the
presence of my brother'steaching, and so when we get
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there it just gets worse.
Because he would not pick themup from school on time.
He, steady, would not pick them.
He would call me the day of andsay, hey, I can't get them.
So that's a form of course ofcontrol, because now you're
controlling my schedule, youknow where I'm gonna be, I gotta
pick them up at this time, youknow that they're with me.
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He would come the next day andsay, hey, I'll come pick them up
the next day.
Then he would come.
He found my information throughthe school district because
before they had my informationwhere he didn't need to know it
because of the history and whathad transpired, so he found my
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information show up so he wouldcome on the next day and then
come and bring them back early.
It was just, it was no way tolive and I lived underneath fear
.
I lived underneath completefear and people kept telling me
hey, you need to take them backto court.
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You need to take them back tocourt.
You can't continue to operatein this manner.
There would be days where hewould just decide he's just not
gonna bring them or he'll try topick them up early.
It was he would not follow aschedule appropriately, and so
God continually blessed me.
I got a director position, salesdirector of Jenny Craig and my
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kids.
A lot of times they were ableto just be there with me, or it
was a venture kids down the wayand they were so loving they
were like just bring the kids.
I didn't even have money for ita lot of times and so God would
make a way.
But so the biggest regret thatI ever had was I was instructed
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by the police.
We had another incident.
I was instructed by the policethat I need to take this back to
court.
So I needed to take it back tocourt because my job was
transitioning, so there neededto be changes anyway.
So I took it back to court andI'll say one thing before I know
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we have to wrap up, but there's, I'll say this one thing God
never intended even though heleft the faith, god never
intended for Christians to takeeach other to court.
Now, with him leaving the faith, that's different.
He took me right, god bless,but for me to take him God never
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intended.
There were other alternatives.
I didn't even know, but therewere other alternatives that
could have transpired instead oftaking my brother to court,
which when people say what's thebiggest regret?
That was one of the biggestregrets.
If I could do over, I wouldhave did it differently.
And then that became so thisbecame.
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Now we're in like year threeafter I divorced, going into
four.
And then that began the 14years of litigation family court
litigation that he took methrough.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
And I was like what's the big deal?
I know this is getting goodright and it can even get better
, but I want to definitely savesome time for you to discuss
just briefly about domesticviolence.
But before we get into that,and for those that's listening
to Elizabeth's story, Glory toGod.
(16:21):
I know a little bit about astory.
God has given her the victorylitigation and all this law
situation and I'm sure she couldcorrect me when she had her
opportunity to speak.
But, sister Elizabeth, I wantyou to briefly talk about I am
pro se.
I definitely wanna have a time,cause this is huge, cause I
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know, based on everything thatyou experience within your
marriage and even in the pastand the things that you shared,
and I know your organization isdedicated to serving Black
survivors of domestic violence,which you work.
Cause you are a survivor ofdomestic violence and I
definitely wanna make some timefor you to talk about this.
(17:03):
So correct me if I'm wrong.
Talk about your litigationsituation just briefly and talk
about the origin of I am pro se.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
So 14 years.
So I was steady, taking backand forth to court and a lot of
survivors.
This is what they go through,especially if they are dealing
with an abuser or a perpetratorthat has the means to go back
and forth to court.
And courts are structured in acapitalist situation so the more
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money you spend they actuallycreate that type of environment.
And so in my eighth year afterbeing in court back and forth at
the only reason why it evenlasts that long is because of my
knowledge as a paralegal so inmy eighth year there were things
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that were very shocking thatoccurred within the court to the
point where they changedcustody over where he was able
to get full custody at one point.
So in my eighth year I saidthis is ridiculous.
By this time I had spent closeto, I think almost 200,000, in
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court fees and attorney fees anddifferent things like that.
And so I got to the point whereI said this is ridiculous.
While I pay another attorney, Ineed to go ahead and go to law
school.
But I learned about somethingthat was that that I didn't they
didn't introduce because of thehistory of my case, which was
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mediation.
So I got into Pepperdown Law.
I actually got into PepperdineLaw the same day that he
actually picked my kids up from,because I got my kid, I got, I
got my kids back.
And then he came back after noteven dealing with them for two
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years and Pick my kids up fromschool and made false claims
against me that I had to provein court that that those were
false.
But it takes time.
So I didn't see my kids foralmost two years.
I didn't have access to mychildren, but it was the same
day that I started PepperdineLaw, and so when I got into
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Pepperdine Law, I was able toidentify that Mediation is
another form of our way toresolve Conflict and issues.
It doesn't have to be soheightened and there's a safe
way to be able to do this, andso the day that I graduated is
actually the day that I gotaccess back to my children, but
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I was able to Utilize my skillsthere to be able to really get
full custody back of my kids,and so I am pro.
Se is actually birthed out ofthat.
It's birthed out of Seeing whatwas transpiring within the
court system for survivors andthen also what in going through
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so, black survivors many timesdo not receive the same type of
resources as others, and so whatwe do is we're really a
connector.
We're the host for the blackdomestic violence collective,
which is Black-led organizationsfrom all across the United
States, and we connect, so we'recalled upon if anyone is in
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need or they know someone blackwomen in our black community,
even some men.
We do not.
We do not basically Reveal whatis happening personally with
within our own situations, whichis why, right now, our black
femicide, the death of blackwomen and girls, is so high.
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We're three times more likelythan any other race to die from
domestic violence by an intimatepartner, and so, I am pro se,
what we do is we confidentiallyHelp those who are in need.
We're connectors, we're also inadvocacy, so we reach out.
We try to make sure that thosethat are in place receive the
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support in the and the resourcesthat they need so that they can
stay Alive.
The worst time for blacksurvivors is when they
transition away, and it's whenthey do get away, and so that's
so I am pro se was birthed outof that.
There is no fear on this endWith that and the way.
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The reason why we're differentis we don't just look at the
survivor.
We also look at the abuserperpetrator, because a lot of
times within the black communitythere are heightened things
that have occurred and what wedo is we reach out and we give
brothers within the body ofChrist.
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We get brothers to surround Ifwe're able to get to the abuser
perpetrator and ask them hey,what support system do you need?
So we pull brothers that we know, that are about the body and
that want to really work in theLord and Really serve in the
community.
We really we pull them and say,hey, can you minister to or can
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you support this, this brotherwho is having a really difficult
time in the relationship, andso we get her resources and we
also get him resources andinstead of it just being all
focused on the survivor who getsaway, we also service to help,
because what we don't want isthat abuser are there
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Puppetrated and I get the helpthat they need, and then they
get someone else and they do thesame thing.
So that's where I am pro sestemmed out of and we're just
excited that, like we're here,we we've gotten some pushback
because because people don'tlike to talk about it within the
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church, but but this is, thisis, it's everywhere and and we
have to eradicate it before youcame on.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
When I thought about domestic violence, I thought
about, okay, only women be goingthrough it.
But yet again I looked, Ilooked at the, the Department of
Justice, and that says thatdomestic violence is, is, it's,
it's, it's a plethora things.
It's physical abuse, sexual,emotional, economic,
psychological and technicalabuse.
So my question, to use that if,if a male figure is getting
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abused, what's the first line ofaction that that male should do
?
Because typically it's notfound in men.
Men are usually the ones theabusers, but I'm sure that
there's a small percentage ofmen that get abuse.
So you know what was the first.
Well, what would be the firstline of action for a brother or
male to take if he's gettingabused?
Speaker 1 (24:04):
So the first line is to actually call someone like I
am pro se and really identifywhat type of abuse that they're
going through and then to set upa type of action plan to
address that abuse.
So if they it's not about justgoing straight into or focusing
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on the abuser or the perpetratoryou want to be able to, for
that person to know okay, theseare the ways that abuse is
occurring, this is what isactually happening within the
relationship, and so you wanthim to be able to know and then
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identify the resources andwhat's needed.
And for me, and a lot of times,it is confidentiality, because
it's embarrassing or seen asbeing embarrassing.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Yeah, so you want, you want to be able to take that
, or have them get the resourcesand to know what's available
for them and then make a plan ofaction.
You should never go into thesituation where you're telling
you know the person or thesurvivor, you know what they
(25:25):
should do.
You want to just provide theresources because they know
their situation better thananyone.
So you just want to show themhey, these are the options,
these are some things that arethere.
What would you like to do, orwhat do you think will be best
for you and a good?
So really identifying anadvocate and then putting
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together a plan of action inthat manner.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
How would one become an advocate and work with IAM
process?
Speaker 1 (25:55):
So definitely you can reach out to us.
We do all types of training.
We are actually really in needat this time, especially in
certain areas, but you wouldreach out and then we would
actually schedule you fortraining If you're actually
within the body of Christ.
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We also established and our Ifound a organization called IAM
Pro Say and it's actually aBible Women's Ministry.
It is the national supportingorganization for the Black
Domestic Violence Collective andit is a place where you can
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work and you can also reallybecome an advocate for those who
are fleeing.
So, basically, this is thisministry is a space where you
can really you can really doGod's work in helping those
directly affected by domesticviolence.
Or, like I said, you candefinitely reach out to IAM Pro
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Say and just say, literally sendan email and say, hey, I want
to volunteer, I would love tobecome an advocate, and we'll
put a plan together for you tobecome an advocate, especially
within your community.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
I love it.
I love it because this is thething I know.
Like you said, most of us whenI mean us, I mean African
Americans we don't like to speakup, and someone posed that
question to me like, hey, nick,you know, for male was getting
abused, what would you do,especially if he's a husband?
So I know I'm in a body.
(27:35):
Now, this is not limited, thisis only limited to those that
are in a body, or is it just foreverybody, everyone, everyone,
okay, so do you have like a 800number or hotline folks that are
listening that could call ifthey're going through such we
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always advise to actually callthe main hotline, but we do have
a source.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
So if you go to IAMProSayorg and you actually
dive into the contact, ourcontact form actually alerts us
and we're able to reach back out.
What we found, especially forBlack survivors, is normally
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they're able to get away.
It is the post separation abuse.
80% of our issues are postseparation abuses.
It is when they actually haveleft.
So if they're in, it definitelycall the national hotline and
but if they, if, like a lot ofour survivors, when they're away
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or they get away, the big thingis if you put that information
in our contact, it actuallydings us and then we're able to
identify and respond to you theway that you wanna be responded.
Black women move a little bitdifferent and they text or
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they'll say, hey, I'll give youa call.
At this time, versus othercultures, we move different.
So the best way for us to getcontact within our network is
through that contact, thatcontact page, and we yeah, we're
right on it when it comes tothat.
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But if it's like immediateemergency, of course, and, like
I said, our black women a lot oftimes we don't like to contact
or call the police because weend up being arrested.
So we use different means andbut if you're in a state where
(29:50):
you need immediate, definitelythe national domestic violence
hotline.
But if you in a post separationand you're still getting, you're
getting threats, you're gettingstalked, you're getting
followed there are certainthings that are coming up like
court that may happen, or youjust don't feel safe, what we
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will do?
You put that contactinformation.
We'll actually come out to yourhome, we'll do like a whole
safety.
We'll bring out safety toolsand resources for you, even down
to getting a camera for yourhome or anything that we see,
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that we observe, and we'll putan action plan together and
we'll try to make sure that youstay in a safe environment, in a
safe place.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Amen, all right.
So this is what we're gonna do.
We're gonna have to ask onelast question.
But before we do ask our lastquestion, I wanna say this I
don't.
I know you guys heardElizabeth's story.
She is, yes, she is a survivorof domestic abuse, but also she
is a powerful woman of God, awoman of God that's doing so
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many things for the kingdom ofGod.
She first got her call when shewas young and she's been doing
great works.
And also she had a loveless,loveless marriage for eight
years.
Now, I never want you guys totake this story and discourage
y'all from getting married,because you know I don't want
the enemy to say, okay, this iswhy I don't wanna get married,
because you never know who yourspouse is.
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That's not why Sister Elizabethshared her story.
Sister Elizabeth was sharing herstory to highlight and capture
some of the moments that shewent through in her life as a
Christian.
As a result, because peoplethink that Christians are
perfect, like we don't have baddays.
Yes, we have a whole lot of baddays, but also we have good
days as well.
But our goal is to encourageyou to draw closer to Christ in
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times of adversity, at times ofwhen you're down and feeling
blue.
This is the time that you'resupposed to get closer to God,
not run away from God.
So we never wanna discourageanybody from being married,
because marriage is a beautifulthing and it's something that's
originated from God.
That's why they say choose yourspouse wisely, choose your
spouse wisely.
(32:07):
But other than that, I thank youso much, sister Elizabeth, for
sharing your story, because Ithank you again for your
transparency, because we needthat more in the church, because
the church is like a hospital.
We go through stuff and peoplesometimes think that you're
supposed to be all bubbly,bubbly, all Jesus, jesus.
No, we gotta be real with eachother.
We gotta tell each other ourreal situations because, like
(32:30):
you said, we need prayer and weknow the power of prayer prayer
in action, fasting prayer action, fasting prayer, action and we
need a whole lot of that.
But my final question to you,sister Elizabeth, and this is a
spiritual question when yourassignment is complete on earth,
what do you wanna be rememberedfor?
Speaker 1 (32:51):
That I lived in no fear in doing what God called me
to do.
I think that that is the.
You know, a lot of times we'reafraid of actually going all in
for God, which goes back to howmuch I wanna make sure the world
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understands and knows I loveGod, I'm in love with Him, and
when he calls me to do what hecalls me to do, no matter, you
know, no matter what I may face,that he knows that I won't
leave Him, that I will,unapologetically and unafraid,
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do the things that he wants meto do.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
Hey man, I could hear the passion in your voice when
you say I love God.
I know you truly love Godbecause I could hear it going
through the airwaves.
Sister Elizabeth, again, thankyou again for sharing.
But I know someone out theremay say, hey, I need more
information on what she's doingin her community, what she's
doing in the church.
(34:02):
Where can our listeners findyou?
Speaker 1 (34:05):
You can definitely always email me at Elizabeth at
IAMPROSEorg, and I am there foryou.
So definitely reach out anyquestions, any further
information.
I'm here for you.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
All I can say is thank you.
This is definitely going totouch and help women understand
that they don't have to stay andbe abused.
There is a way out and, mostimportantly, that there is a God
in heaven who loves them somuch and did not create them to
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be abused.
He created them to be loved.
So thank you, sis, thank you.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
Thank you for tuning in to the Call by God podcast
today.
We hope that you have beeninspired by Elizabeth
Stewart-Williams testimony andthat it helped to deepen your
understanding of salvation.
We want to remind you thatsalvation is a free gift from
God, offered to all throughfaith in Jesus Christ.
If you haven't yet acceptedthis gift, we encourage you to
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take some time to reflect onyour relationship with God and
consider what it would mean tomake Jesus the Lord of your life
.
That's it for now, but beforewe go, please continue to listen
, subscribe and share ourpodcast.
Also, if you want to supportour show, please scroll down to
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We were greatly appreciated.
Thank you for listening andremember God is good all the
time and all the time God isgood and also Jesus Christ loves
you.
Thank you.
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