October 9, 2024 • 45 mins
We explore how conventional medicine sometimes misses the mark on the root causes of pain, offering a fresh perspective for those seeking more than symptom management. This episode features an epic convo with Brenda Flores, founder of Two Moons Studio, who shares her personal journey with persistent migraines and pseudo seizures. Brenda opens up about her experiences with conditions often dismissed as psychological and introduces us to the potential of spinal energetics.
Ever feel trapped in the relentless hustle of entrepreneurship and perfectionism, constantly pressured to achieve? Join us as we unpack the impact of an entrepreneurial upbringing on success and self-worth. Brenda and I explore how childhood experiences can fuel anxiety and burnout, while advocating for a more balanced approach that prioritizes well-being over nonstop striving.
We also dive into holistic healing, ancestral support, and the power of connection, sharing practical insights. By confronting inherited emotional patterns, we turn pain into growth and self-awareness, wrapping up with joy.
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Amanda O'Mara (00:10):
Welcome to the Calm CEO podcast.
I'm your host, amanda, a spinalenergetics practitioner,
business energetics coach,energy healer, fitness coach and
, most importantly, a dog mom.
That's right, my furry friendis always here for the good
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We're here to cut out the BSand create a life and business
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Expect raw, unfilteredconversations and leave each
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Go ahead and hit that subscribebutton and with that, let's
dive into today's episode.
What's up everyone?
Okay, I have a really specialguest today.
Her name is Brenda.
Brenda, what's up, girl.
Welcome to the party.
Brenda Flores (01:14):
Hi, thank you so much for having me so excited.
Amanda O'Mara (01:18):
I was really excited about this one because
Brenda is also a spinalenergetics practitioner and we
get to meet next weekend, whichI'm so freaking pumped about.
Brenda Flores (01:28):
Girl, I'm so excited.
Amanda O'Mara (01:30):
Yeah, so I couldn't think of a better time
to have you on and just talkabout you, your story, what you
do, maybe I don't know.
We'll just see where theconversation leads us.
How does that sound?
I love it Awesome, well, awesome, well.
Let me introduce you a littlebit, so let me see what we have
written down here and then I'lllet you take over.
So, brenda Flores here.
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She's the founder of Two MoonsStudio, which is located in the
DC metropolitan area.
So if you're from that area,please go check her out.
So she really she works withindividuals who are experiencing
chronic physical pain, andwe're going to be hearing her
story today about that and howshe can help you as well.
So, really, anyone who'sfeeling disconnected from
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themselves, seeking to createtransformative shifts in their
lives and to unlock their truestpotential this is what she
helps with, which is freakingbadass.
So Brenda really helps withsupporting high achieving
individuals who are facing theburnout.
Okay, we have very similarniches here.
I love this.
We're going to dive into somegood juicy stuff today.
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So, yeah, she helps you withbreaking past any barriers and
reconnecting you andrediscovering your purpose.
So, brenda, what's up girl?
Tell us a little bit more aboutyou and I hope I hit the nail
on the head.
If you want to add to that,please do.
Brenda Flores (02:53):
Thank you so much .
No, you did.
You definitely hit the nail onthe head.
I appreciate you so much.
First, thank you so much forhaving me on your podcast.
Just listening through some ofyour episodes, I felt very
aligned and I was like, yes, Iguess we got here with her.
So thank you so much for makingthe space for me to come on and
share a little bit about whatwe do and dive a little bit
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deeper into that.
So excited, yeah, yeah, and.
But in a nutshell, you know whatI?
What I do is is really becauseof what I experience in my life.
I know I had mentioned to youthat I work with a lot of people
who have chronic pain,specifically a lot of
undiagnosed chronic pain, whichis something that doesn't get
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talked about a lot in theWestern culture is, you know,
there's a lot of diagnoses ofdifferent diseases or illnesses.
You know there's a lot ofdiagnoses of different diseases
or illnesses, but when you'rework, when you're dealing with
undiagnosable pain, you're kindof left in this limbo of what am
I supposed to do?
Where else can I go?
Who can help you, doctor?
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Xxx?
Amanda O'Mara (03:58):
Yeah, who are like some of the people that you
see.
Like, when it comes to that,like what do you mean by
undiagnosed?
Like they've just they've beento so many doctors and every
doctor is just like I don't knowwhat this is, or oh, you have
anxiety, or oh, you have a cold,like they don't really.
Yeah, it's surface.
Brenda Flores (04:17):
So for me I can speak on mine specifically.
I had chronic head pain, so itwas almost like a chronic
migraine that would never goaway.
It caused head pressure, jawpressure, neck pressure, neck
pain, shoulder pain, a lot ofbrain fog.
I had something called thatwere like pseudo seizures, where
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my body would convulse like itwas having a seizure, but it was
not an actual seizure on paperand the way that they track
seizures.
It was not.
It would not show that way.
So when that happens, theycategorize you as someone who's
having like a mental breakdown,or you know it's something
psychological and psychiatric.
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Really, because you're having aheadache, something
psychological and psychiatric,Really, Because you're having a
headache, Right, I mean it gotto the point, I mean I can tell
you I got to the point where Ilost hearing in my left ear and
I was peripheral vision in bothof my eyes.
And the ophthalmologist and thethree different neurologists
that I would go to were wouldgive me pharmaceutical after
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pharmaceutical to treat thesymptoms of a headache or a
migraine or these, these, uh,pains that I was having, but
never getting to the root cause.
Amanda O'Mara (05:32):
Oh man, this is actually kind of hitting home,
because I've actually struggledmy entire life, since my first
menstrual cycle at the age of 13, major migraines, and it's only
until I got into spinalenergetics that they started to
go away.
Well, okay, yeah, keep going,yeah.
Brenda Flores (05:50):
But.
But that's what I mean withundiagnosed like undiagnosed.
So you're having an issue thatthe doctors don't really
understand why it's continuingto happen, why it's become
chronic.
Chronic is anything that ispersistent and won't go away, no
matter what they throw at itand what they.
What happens is that you fallinto into this little box like a
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category of.
You're that person who may bebaby seeking drugs, might just
it might all be in their head.
I had a lot of people say youknow, oh, you know, your pain
tolerance is just not as high asothers, and so, basically
dismissing the fact that Icouldn't get up in the morning
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and function like a human being,and it wasn't until I started
seeking outside of Westernmedicine.
So I started with likeacupuncture and I started
getting some relief from methodswhere I also felt heard and
seen and the the practitionerswould touch me, unlike my you
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know, my regular medicinedoctors, my regular neurologist
or general practitioners, whobarely ever even touched my head
, even though that's where mypain was so, interestingly
enough, it was until I actuallyleft the US.
I went to another country.
I actually went to El Salvadorto see a naturopathic doctor who
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was recommended to me.
I went there and a week in fromworking with him, almost all of
my symptoms were gone.
Amanda O'Mara (07:27):
No way, really Okay.
What's his name?
Where's his address?
Brenda Flores (07:35):
And yes it is.
It was a lot.
You know you have to buy aplane ticket, you have to know
where you're going, you have tostay there.
But it was to the point where Ijust would not accept that this
was my life.
And when a doctor tells you youjust have to accept this might
be your new normal.
I'm not okay with that and Iwas like no way, I cannot have
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two kids.
I have a business.
I need to be able to live anormal life.
Amanda O'Mara (08:03):
Yeah, yeah, oh my gosh, yeah, Hello.
I remember like going to gethelp so many times for my
migraines and they startedputting me on these weird diets
and stuff and it just keptgetting worse and worse and
worse.
And they told me, like don'ttake any medication for you know
, and I had this horriblemigraine episode and it went on
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for three days.
I literally could not leave mycouch and I was in so much pain
and finally I just like calledthe doctor.
I was like please, like I haveto take something for it.
And they prescribed me somesteroids and it went away.
But I'm like this isn't like itjust kept coming back and it
had come back after.
It's like why are we takingthese surface level solutions
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instead of just getting to theroot of where this is coming
from, you know?
Brenda Flores (08:49):
so yeah and I've found.
You know, I ended up, out ofdesperation, really going
digging deeper into this and,like I was, I joined Facebook
groups.
There was was thousands,thousands of people dealing with
undiagnosed pain and it justfelt so hopeless.
(09:10):
You know that they, they wereliving with it for a lot longer
than I was, you know, and I waslike how I can't be, you know, I
can't go on another few yearsin this same pattern.
Yeah, and that's what I meanwhen we talk about what are my
clients are people who haveundiagnosed pain.
It can be chronic muscle spasms, like they do, you know, a
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little bit of activity and allof a sudden their muscles just
contract.
Chronic, chronic fatigue,chronic that's big.
Amanda O'Mara (09:42):
That's big with entrepreneurs, just like moms
too.
Right the exhaustion, pureexhaustion.
Brenda Flores (09:48):
Yeah, yeah, and at the time I was a very I was
an overachiever, I worked reallylong hours, I had my regular
full-time job and I started abusiness, you know, back in 2017
, I think it was the hardestpart.
I was literally working almosttwo full-time jobs.
I think it was the hardest part.
I was literally working almosttwo full-time jobs one on our
business our family business andone at a corporate job and I
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think that that's really whatstarted this the pain getting
worse and worse and worse, asthe stress would just come over
me.
And then you come to find, whenI went to the doctor the
naturopathic doctor in ElSalvador.
Then you come to find, when Iwent to the doctor the
naturopathic doctor in ElSalvador I was literally in a
chronic state or fight or flight, and that's what caused all the
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muscles around my head tocontract and then never let go.
They're compressing against allthe nerves.
So my eyes would flutter allthe time.
I wasn't getting enough sleep.
I wasn't able to rest.
Even if I felt like I slept forhours, I wasn't getting rest,
which then messed up theperformance of the things that I
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had to do.
I would wake up and I wouldn'tperform as well.
I couldn't be as present as Iwanted to be, and I think that's
why a lot of people who areoverachievers, who are business
owners, who are living in ahustle mode or entrepreneurs,
they, they struggle a lot withum, with that stress, and that
creates those tension boundpatterns in their body.
Amanda O'Mara (11:14):
Um, oh yeah, oh yeah.
Yeah, it's so common,especially in entrepreneurs like
the restless nights, like notbeing able to thinking about
work 24 seven.
You know, I remember I used togo on vacation.
It was so hard for me to likedetach from work and not think
about my clients, um my team,and just like enjoy my vacation.
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I felt guilty, just like a momfeels guilty, to like she tries
to take care of herself.
That was me as a, as a businessowner, like I needed to take
care of my, my family, my team,you know like, and my clients,
and.
But I couldn't.
I couldn't, um, just trustmyself enough, and I've heard
that before A lot of times.
A lot of headaches can comefrom just like that lack of
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internal trust and reallytrusting yourself to let go of
things you can't control.
Brenda Flores (12:07):
Yes, that's really what it is is the lack of
being able to let go of control.
It's we live in a, you know, asociety that's very much about
control and how they controlconsumers, how they control the
employees, and so we get stuckinto that and, yeah, it's a very
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, very defeating pattern thatyou don't like.
Your body will give you smallcues that your body will tell
you, little by little I needrest.
I need more water, I need allthese little things.
Right, we start to feel it.
We might get dizzy when we getup or we might be super tired or
not being able to to feel asenergized in the morning.
Those are little bits of cuesthat our body is giving us and
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saying hey, pay attention to me.
So for people with chronic pain, it starts with just a headache
once in a while.
Then it can go from a migraineonce in a while that lasts three
days, and then a few months goby and then it's the headaches
come back, hands start shakinglike I couldn't even take
pictures of checks to depositchecks, because so at that point
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I knew something was wrong, butI still didn't listen to my
body.
It was almost like my body hadto be like no, listen to me and
no more.
You know, really, pay attention.
Amanda O'Mara (13:29):
It's like your body's, like hello I'm here,
Literally screaming for helpthrough symptoms like she just
described.
And you know, whenever I thinkof headaches, what I was always
hit home for me was how muchpressure are you putting on
yourself?
Like, literally, it's pressurebuilding up in your head and so
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we're in your life.
Are you putting on too muchpressure on yourself?
And for me I found it calm.
Come in, let me know if thisresonates with you too, brenda,
where it's a lot of theperfectionist too.
Yeah, like we are highachievers, we want things to
look really good and perfect andso we put that added
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unnecessary pressure on us, andthat's where a lot of head gain,
head stuff comes up, themigraines and whatnot.
Brenda Flores (14:18):
Yeah, yeah, it definitely resonates with me.
I think a lot of it's.
You know, working with otherhigh achievers, we have very
similar, you know, symptoms orcharacteristics of our
personality.
We're, all you know, you know,highly hyper aware of things,
very attention, detailedoriented, organized when it
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comes to, like our workespecially, um, we're always
like thinking ahead, three stepsahead, thinking in the future,
planning for the future, settingup the goals, looking at
metrics, all these things, andso we don't just have the
pressure of that present moment,we have the added pressure that
we're putting ourselves for thefuture.
Yeah, like we have to achievethis by this year, year three.
(15:03):
We have to do this by quarterfour.
We have to do this, you know.
So it's very much, uh, once youget out of one thing that
you've accomplished, you alreadyhave six things already in line
.
Amanda O'Mara (15:13):
So it's very difficult to get out of that
cycle.
Anxiety is another big symptomaround this too.
Um, yeah, I used to have a lotof panic attacks which are more
from like trauma, but I mean,migraines are from trauma too,
if we wanna get into that.
But yeah, you know what I mean.
It's just so much when it comesto entrepreneurs and how much
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of that pressure we actually puton ourselves and not realizing
it, and I didn't even realize it.
I thought that was normal.
It wasn't until somebodyliterally told me, like Amanda,
that's not normal.
I'm like, oh, so I hopewhoever's listening to this
right now with us is like oh,that's not normal.
Brenda Flores (15:59):
Yeah, absolutely.
I didn't know it was not normalto to um, to plan like that,
put so much pressure myself toto literally have all these
ideas come through, writing themdown.
I felt like it was just who Iwas.
But my dad was an entrepreneurand I saw him go through the
very same things of like atpressuring himself to to think
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of the next idea, the nextbusiness idea.
If something failed.
He put a lot of pressure onhimself.
He had a family too, and weknow that that comes with stress
, but it was, it was learnedbehavior for me, like I learned
that that was his norm and thatwas my norm growing up.
So that's what I became,essentially.
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You know, I just repeated thatpattern.
You know, and it's it'sbeautiful to be able to be on
the other side of it and stillstill find ways of being
successful.
And I do air quotes around thatbecause it's different for
everyone what that word means.
But finding what works for youas a person, for you, for your
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family, for your lifestyle, isso important because it's not
cookie cutter, it's not oneshape fits all, it definitely
isn't like there's so manydifferent industries, right, but
apart from that, there's alsodifferent individuals, and
that's what I've learned throughall of this is that you can
still find success.
You can still work really hardon your business, but finding
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ways to connect with yourselfagain is so important.
So that you don't burn out, soyou don't have pain, so that you
don't burn out, so you don'thave pain, so that you don't
have anxiety attacks, so you canwork through the day thriving
not just living and be at youroptimum.
Amanda O'Mara (17:43):
You know potential yeah, I mean that's
why we call this podcast thecalm CEO, because that's what
happened with me.
I was that super dysregulated,anxious, headaches every day,
entrepreneur, struggling, and Iwas very successful, but I was
no matter how hard I worked, Iwas never satisfied.
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It was never enough.
And yeah, oh man, yeah, yeah, Iwant to hear more like the, the
uh, if you're open and you knowcomfortable with it, talking
about the trauma and maybe whereheadaches and that pressure
really come from.
It sounds like maybe from thefamily and your dad being an
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entrepreneur.
I too, my dad, was verysuccessful as a doctor, but
what's behind that?
Even you know, I talk a lotabout like with my dad.
It felt like the only love orattention I would get from him
was when I was doing really goodin school, you know, getting
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those straight A's and likemaking sure the house was clean
before I got home, and thenthat's when I would get
recognized for something.
And so something was programmedin me at such a young age where
, in order to be loved, I haveto do this, I have to be perfect
at this and this and this, andthat's kind of how that started.
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So, underneath all of thetrauma, was this programming or
conditioning or belief of likeif I don't do this correctly or
perfectly, then I won't be loved?
Brenda Flores (19:17):
Oh, that's hard.
Thank you so much for sharingthat and being so vulnerable
about that.
That's a, you know, a layerthat a lot of people don't pull
back when they're looking at ohI'm this way, I'm just this way.
You know, they don't pull thatlayer back.
So it is so important for us to, in order to feel good and move
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forward with our life, is topeel back that layer, look back
and say, okay, where, where didthis start, where did this
happen?
And so thank you for sharingthat.
I too, actually, I experienced alittle bit of the same in a
different way.
So we're first generationimmigrants from Bolivia, so my
parents both immigrated fromBolivia, and with the immigrant
mentality comes a lot of likeyou have to work to the bone
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because you came and lefteverything and this is the only
opportunity and only shot youhave.
And so for my dad, anentrepreneur with that added
pressure he you know both himand my mom worked in several
different businesses.
He always had lots of businessideas and he was working
actively in them, so my parentsweren't always around.
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At a very young age I was I hadto really step into the role of
like you know, helping mysister being in the house.
I even at some point helpedthem negotiate a mortgage deal
because they couldn't understandso a lot of and I'm sure this
will resonate with otherlisteners who are also from
immigrant parents that they feltthat they were kind of the
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parent in a lot of times or hadto kind of step in because their
parents didn't speak Englishand into the language and didn't
know how to articulate oradvocate for themselves in that
way, and that you're kind ofjust thrown in to figure it out.
Like I never had help withhomework and I love my parents.
They were great parents.
They did give me a lot of lovewhen they were there, but they
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weren't always there becausethey were working so hard for us
.
So because of that, I was avery rebellious teenager.
I think I rebelled a lotbecause I really wanted that
attention that they couldn'tgive me, and so I would
literally come home bloodshoteyes and like stare at them and
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be like, yeah, say something,like I wanted to say something,
because I wanted them to noticethat I, you know, was under the
influence or I smelled likecigarettes, but unfortunately,
you know, they didn't.
And a lot now, after you knowreally working through that, I
understand that like they liveda whole different life their.
Their main goal was to providefor us, and the way that they
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provided for us was give us aroof over our head, you know,
warm food in our bellies andopportunities, and that's what
my dad always wanted.
It was like through business Ican get my kids opportunities.
I can have them, you know, payfor college and all this stuff.
Amanda O'Mara (22:12):
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Brenda Flores (22:42):
I understand that now, but at the time, 13,
14-year-old Brenda really justwanted attention from her
parents, and so that's wherethat that rebellious side came
out.
I led me down a very dangerouspath of hanging out with a lot
of not the right people, peoplethat took advantage of my, my
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vulnerability, of where I was asa child, you know, as a
teenager, and through that stem,the, I need to be in control of
things.
I will never again be out ofcontrol.
So that's where it began for me, and that with the entrepreneur
mindset was like a catalyst forthe mess that came After a few
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years of working really, reallyhard for the attention of her
parents and that validation fromsociety that I so craved.
Amanda O'Mara (23:38):
Wow, wow, thank you for sharing that.
I feel like so many people aregoing to like totally resonate
with that and understand.
Yeah, I spoke about this inanother episode.
When I did ayahuasca, I wasshown this vision of this my IUD
, my birth control and it waslike the main theme throughout
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my entire ceremony of liketrying to get this IUD out of me
energetically and it like didby the end.
But then I was like so confused, like what does this mean?
And I didn't know until thelongest time, and then finally I
figured it out it's birthcontrol control.
Like I needed to let go ofcontrol and letting go of that
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pressure Because we hold on tothat, because that's how we
think we can survive in thisworld, by controlling the
situation and maybe those aroundus and what we're doing.
And yeah, it was like me, itwas like with my team and my
experience with it, like Icouldn't stop thinking about
them because, in a way, I feltlike I had to control the
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situation because I didn't trustmyself enough to trust them
enough to just take over and letthings flow.
Brenda Flores (24:57):
Yeah, I resonate that a lot with that a lot.
So there's that the inabilityto delegate things.
Yeah, ability to let go ofthings that feel like they're
yours, even though they're yourteams and you're you know you
are their leader.
You will help them through andyou show them they.
They're your teams and you'reyou know you are their leader.
You will help them through andyou show them they they're your
team.
For a reason and that was oneof the big things for me was I
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always was like I was about toask for help or something and I
would just I'm just gonna do it.
Amanda O'Mara (25:24):
Yeah, yeah, we have a hard time asking for help
.
Yeah, oh yeah.
Brenda Flores (25:28):
For a lot of business owners and
overachievers and entrepreneurs,it's the control of.
No one's going to love mybusiness more than I.
No one's going to work harderfor my business than I am.
Yeah, why would I delegate this?
I've been at my home, you know,this entire time.
I can do.
I've been doing all of thesethings for this entire time, for
x amount of years, and now youwant me to let go and give this
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baby to someone.
Amanda O'Mara (25:54):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, oh God.
Yes, that was me.
Hey, oh, yeah, yeah, okay.
So so tell us a little bit moreabout, like, what you're doing
now and maybe what you see a lotin clients when it comes to
chronic pain.
I know I get a lot of like backpain too, right?
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Talk about some of the othercommon types of pain chronic
pain.
Brenda Flores (26:20):
So I have a lot of clients who have chronic back
, lower end upper back pain, alot of migraines, a lot of
shoulder and neck pain.
Again, just most of them aretype A personalities who have a
lot of stress who are, even ifthey're not type A, they're just
in a very stressful situationthat they have not been able to
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get out of.
Muscle spasms are anotherreally big thing where people
they, they their muscle spasm inthe point in areas where it's
not feasible to do their job orto do their work.
So there's athletes thatsometimes will get muscle spasms
at the most worst time ever.
People who drive a lot ofdrivers, who sit for long
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periods of time, also have a lotof lower back pain and they're
like oh yeah, those that sit ata desk too all day probably.
Yes, yeah, a lot of the.
I mean that's pretty much likeeveryone in the world.
Yeah right, you know all ofyeah, a lot of.
Amanda O'Mara (27:12):
I mean that's pretty much like everyone in the
world right, all of us sittingon our phones to and hunched
over, not realizing our postureDefinitely.
Brenda Flores (27:19):
Yeah, so there's a lot of people who have like
nerve pain, so carpal tunnel.
They'll have like their armsand their limbs will get like
really numb and tingly a lot andthey're not sure why.
And they've seen doctors andtheir circulation is fine and
they're not sure why, um, andthey've seen doctors and their
circulation is fine.
So they're not sure what it isand they're told it's just
pinched nerve and they have towear a brace or deal with it.
(27:41):
But really it's, uh, it comesfrom the, the dysregulated
nervous system your body is justsaying, hey, pay attention to
me here.
Um, so, so that's a lot of theclients that I see that have
chronic pain.
I've had a few to a lot whohave like fibromyalgia, so
things that are diagnosed butstill very misunderstood, like
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they don't know why it happens.
They have like a lot ofautoimmune disease that just
comes up pots, which is a reallybig one pot, same yeah, yeah,
question marks around it andit's almost like they just
decided to just diagnose them,just to diagnose them.
So a mixture of diagnosed butthe things don't add up, and
(28:28):
then a lot of undiagnosed, sothat and to be completely honest
, amanda, there is so manydifferent people in this world
who experience the same kind ofthings.
It's astonishing to me thatthere isn't more information out
there that helps people likewho doesn't have a headache once
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in a while?
And anything that you readabout a headache is Tylenol,
ibuprofen and anything that youread about a headache is Tylenol
ibuprofen.
If you can't deal with that, goin for a migraine cocktail at
the ER.
They'll just juice you on upand it'll cut it and you'll be
fine, and then after that it'ssteroids.
So there are very much like.
This is what you do if you havea headache.
This is what you do if you havea migraine.
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But they don't work together towork with the person like an
individualized plan to treatthem and figure out what's wrong
with them.
Yeah the headache or the backpain or the numbness is just a
symptom of what's reallyhappening underneath everything.
Amanda O'Mara (29:24):
Oh, totally, yeah , I mean, I mean definitely so
much credit to doctors and youknow everybody has their place
out there, but why not look atthe body as a whole?
You know, like as a whole, like, yeah, I think um, medicine is
good if it's, you know, as atemporary solution depending on
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where you're at, but eventually,it can save your life.
Let's just be honest oh yeah,medicine can save your life.
Brenda Flores (29:51):
It has a place.
Be honest, medicine can saveyour life.
It has a place in this world.
Doctors have a place in thisworld.
I love my general doctor, myphysician now.
She's great.
I think that, like you weresaying, there's not one central.
They have to really communicatewith each other.
So if you have one really greatdoctor and they send you to a
specialist for something thatdoctor might not be in the same
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like, share the same style andapproach as the doctor that you
really like, and that's wherethere's a disconnect.
There's just so many differentpeople and they're all
practicing, you know, fromdifferent places places of love,
places of education, places ofboth of those together, you know
.
So it's difficult when there's alot of doctors, and what
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happens with chronic pain isthat most of the time your, your
general doctor, doesn't knowhow to help you anymore and
that's why they send you todifferent doctors and so you're
seeing like this specialist andthat specialist and the other
specialist and the eye doctorand the dentist, to see if it's
jaw, all these different doctors, and it's hard to communicate.
(30:56):
For everyone to communicatecohesively, right.
It doesn't mean that they'rebad, you know, they're good
people at the core.
They're doing the best thatthey know how, but sometimes I
wish that the system was not sobroken where people could get
more help in one place, andthat's where I feel like there's
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a little bit of a gap.
Amanda O'Mara (31:20):
Yeah, I agree, it's the missing link.
So do you just do spinalenergetics or do you do anything
else with your clients?
Brenda Flores (31:28):
Sure, so I am a Reiki practitioner and that's
actually the first thing I gotcertified in.
It's something that I used tohelp me stay in a calm state.
Yeah, I was like I want toshare this with other people.
So I'm a Reiki practitioner, Ifacilitate breath work, and then
I also have community circleswith the women and co-ed as well
(31:50):
, where we would do cacao, we domicrodose and really just build
a community, because a lot oftimes that's really really what
people need is just support fromeach other.
Amanda O'Mara (32:03):
Yeah, that sense of belonging for sure.
Wow, that's incredible.
Do you have any liketransformations you want to
share with us, like clientresults and any of that?
Brenda Flores (32:16):
So many, but the couple that come to my mind
especially about.
So I have two really greatexamples.
So one of my clients who cameto me had chronic muscle spasms.
He, he could not.
He would have periods of timeevery year.
He would always go through thesecycles of muscle spasms where
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his lower back and legs wouldjust start spasming and they
were very painful, he couldn'twork, would last a week or two.
So imagine having to take twoweeks every few months off of
work to be able to just getbetter.
And by getting better it'sreally just taking medication,
laying in bed and resting andthen it would happen again.
(33:00):
So it was a very continuouscycle for years, since he was 18
years old, and so when he cameto see me we worked a lot on
just his reconnection to hisbody.
He had learned to disassociatefrom his body because of the
pain that he experienced.
He would just say always thathe was fine, he was fine, he was
(33:22):
fine, and that was just kind oflike.
The norm for him was toexperience these muscle spasms
and, um, he's.
He's seen me about six times nowbut, around the second and
third visit he had, he said thathe felt almost like his muscles
just kind of release, and hewent to the doctor.
Two days later he had grew,grown two inches Like his height
(33:54):
his height, two inches.
And and the way that that showsis because the muscles were so
compressed, so tight, they werepulling him down.
So as those muscles started torelease, as those muscles
started to release, she was ableto stand taller.
Yeah.
Oh my God, it was amazing tohear he was so excited.
He still, to this day, talksabout how this work has helped
him grow in height.
Amanda O'Mara (34:16):
Yeah, we don't need surgery, guys, get taller,
just have spinal energetics.
Brenda Flores (34:21):
Exactly yes, and he's had a huge decrease in the
amount of spasms he gets.
He can work through the spasms.
He learned to reconnect withhis body.
He can breathe to those areasand allow his body to kind of
unwind in a natural way.
Versus as soon as like you haveto understand with chronic pain,
amanda you do not want to getit, so you're constantly worried
(34:45):
that you're going to get it.
You're constantly alreadyanticipating that pain.
So you get into this tight spotof your muscles already feeling
like they're going to startgetting sick or you're just
going to start experiencing thepain.
And so that's what I think iswhat works with spinal
energetics is you become aperson that's so much more in
(35:06):
tune with their body that you'reable to let go of that control
of having to know if you'reabout to get pain, if you're
about to experience that pain,and through that comes less pain
and the ability to work throughthe pain as it comes up.
So he's had great resultsthrough this work.
He's able to work and function.
(35:29):
Even if he does get a fewspasms, he's able to really work
through them, and that to me ishe said it's life-changing it
really is life-changing.
That's amazing.
Amanda O'Mara (35:38):
Yeah, I'm even like noticing throughout our
whole conversation.
There's been a few times I hadto like relax my shoulders and
my neck, Like you just become somuch more aware, the more in
tune you are with your body,Like, oh, I'm contracting right
now let's let that go real quick.
Brenda Flores (35:55):
You know, yeah, and that's the whole point.
You know, because you do thiswork too is through that
reconnection comes thatawareness.
So, you learn what it feels liketo clench your jaw, even though
before you might have clenchedyour jaw all the time and you
didn't notice you were doing it.
When you become, you know, morein tune with your body, you can
feel what that softness feelslike.
(36:15):
You can feel what it feels liketo just loosen that and you
don't want to keep experiencingthat tightness.
So you remind yourself thatit's okay to let go, it's okay
to unclench.
Amanda O'Mara (36:29):
Everybody.
Just take a deep breath rightnow and relax.
Oh God, yeah, yeah, it's just,it's so interesting, like even
just your posture too, like areyou hunching over?
Are you sitting up straight?
Like where's your body at rightnow?
And just take a moment to justnotice it, right?
Brenda Flores (36:52):
Just pause and reflect.
Amanda O'Mara (36:53):
Yeah, incredible.
Brenda Flores (36:56):
Yeah, yeah.
So that's.
There's so many wonderfulstories, but a lot, of, a lot of
the clients I also see.
I've seen quite a few familymembers, so daughters with moms,
grandmothers, fathers withtheir sons.
There's been like a huge Idon't know if it's a shift or
(37:18):
something, but where a lot ofthese clients are coming to me
because their mom came to me ortheir sister came to me and
they're also looking to get intune with their body and dig a
little bit deeper into some ofthose wounds that sometimes can
happen through your ancestors,through your lineage, through
your parents, those learnedbehaviors and patterns that you
(37:41):
don't even know sometimes, thatthey're learned behaviors and
patterns.
Amanda O'Mara (37:45):
Right oh yeah, yeah, I definitely want to talk
about ancestral stuff, becausethat's been obviously a newer
thing with level two spinalenergetics they go really deep
into that and the DNA, and uh,they say that trauma can get
passed down by seven generations.
Seven generations, which isjust wild to me it's a wild
(38:09):
journey to know it's almost.
Brenda Flores (38:11):
I have a lot of clients in myself too.
At one point I was like why?
Why is it fair?
I don't want your stuff.
Yeah, I didn't deserve thisthere's so many great.
Why do I have to deal withgreat, great, great, great
grandma?
Amanda O'Mara (38:24):
there's so many memes out there when it comes to
ancestral stuff yeah, you'rejust lugging along.
Brenda Flores (38:30):
So, apart from just your things, apart from
your own experiences, you'realso, you know, pulling all of
that with you and um, and that'sbeen a big theme, I would say,
probably the last maybe four tosix months, where there's been a
lot of people who have made alot of progress in their
individual lives, like as justthem, but that they said like
(38:53):
there's something that feels,like it's almost like pulling me
back, like there's like, assoon as I gain traction, I get
pulled back into this pattern orinto this behavior, or my mom
triggers me, or my dad triggersme, and I don't know why they're
triggering me so much.
And I've noticed that throughworking with the different
(39:14):
generations that some of myclients are, it's allowed them
to really dig deeper, like we'vehad a grandma, the mom and the
daughter, so three generationshere in this space, and everyone
is so different, yet so alikein the same way, like that, when
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you're talking about down to amolecule, down to the dna, it's
so interesting to see a lot ofthe same things be occurring in
their lives even though they'reages apart.
Yeah, so I feel, I feel verygrateful I'm sure you do too so
grateful to be able toexperience this work with them,
(39:56):
to see the clients putting inthat work yeah, buying that
ain't easy, that's for sure itis not, and I get chills when I
think about it, because it isnot easy there.
It's easier to just say, nevermind, I'm not going to go down
that road, it's too, much yeah,or uh, uh, been there, done that
.
I'm just going to close the box,but no matter how much you try,
(40:20):
like as soon as you open this,people refer to as it as a
Pandora's box the Pandora's boxhas like a very negative thing
right Like when we think of it,we're like, oh, chaos and
destruction and this, and that Ifeel like it's a gift.
A box that you open that's agift and it just keeps giving
and some of it is great, some ofit is not great.
(40:42):
Some of it you look at it, youget super excited.
Yes, thank you, aunt Patty, Ilove this gift.
And then you're like oh, uncleTom like that kind of sucks.
You know he gave me socks, soit's like that's how I I like
socks.
I know too.
Amanda O'Mara (41:00):
I mean, you know when.
I was a kid.
If anybody wants to get me agift for Christmas, get me socks
.
I love socks.
There's my address.
Brenda Flores (41:09):
But yeah, I mean, of course I love socks, but
when you're a kid you want, youknow yeah, you want, you want a
game, yeah or whatever.
Amanda O'Mara (41:22):
Or a.
Brenda Flores (41:22):
Barbie.
Amanda O'Mara (41:23):
Yeah.
Brenda Flores (41:24):
So, instead of a Pandora's box, to me it's a gift
box and once you open it andyou start digging deeper the
awareness that you gain throughthat journey, it's very hard to
shut that box.
Amanda O'Mara (41:39):
Yeah, yeah.
Brenda Flores (41:40):
It's very that voice in your head that knows
just a little bit more.
That's your intuition.
As that grew stronger, it'sharder to not pay attention and
to not listen to it.
So I find, for my clients whocome and maybe they come only
one time and they're just likeit's too much, or I'm good, now
(42:04):
I feel better and they don'twant to keep digging a little
bit deeper I find that eitherway, that voice, that box was
open and that voice and thatawareness is still there.
So if I can say anything to anyof your listeners is you know,
just listen to that voice,because it's you, it's yourself
saying and you can do that, wecan do this you know, yes, and
(42:25):
just move forward in it.
And know it's scary, I know it'schallenging it.
There is really hard thingsthat you're gonna have to face,
but a lot of it is like youdon't even have to really face
it, like you can walk through it.
Don't look, don't look at theside, don't look at the face
coming up.
You're walking through thatdark tunnel and it's scary and
(42:46):
it's challenging, but just keepwalking.
Just keep walking.
Amanda O'Mara (42:49):
I know I will say too, like I know I said it's no
, it's really hard, but at thesame time, like once you're in
it, it's actually very catharticfeeling, Like it's um, it kind
of feels good to just let it go.
And it's not.
It's never as bad as I thinkit's going to be either and my
clients report the same thingback to me too.
(43:10):
Like, so if you're like afraidto really go into the deep
ancestral healing work, likejust know, it's maybe not as bad
as you think.
Brenda Flores (43:15):
I'll just put it out there yeah, absolutely, and
I find that you know there's somany more people in this
community now that are ready tosupport you yeah, like brenda
here, yeah yeah, I think beforeit was something that a lot of
people shied away from talkingabout because it wasn't your own
(43:38):
like.
like you know how you go totherapy, you're talking about
your stuff and other people'sstuff.
But when you're digging deep's,like it's not just your own
stuff, it's the stuff that youwere given, it's the stuff that
was passed down and that canbring up some very difficult
conversations.
That can bring up somedifficult feelings for a lot of
people who are used to nevertalking about things that have
(43:59):
happened in their family orexperiences that have happened
in their family.
So just know that when they'rewhere there is a safe space
whether that's with Amanda, withme or any other practitioner
that you feel safe with it'sokay to dig a little deeper and
allow yourself to feel supportedin the areas that you haven't
felt supported in before.
Amanda O'Mara (44:20):
Yes, yes, wow, or go to El Salvador, yes, yes.
Brenda Flores (44:24):
Wow, or go to El Salvador.
We'll start a chat for everyonewho wants to go.
Yeah, everyone's going to.
Amanda O'Mara (44:30):
El Salvador.
I like warm.
Wait, is it warm down there?
It?
Brenda Flores (44:33):
is.
It is Okay.
Yeah, it's nice.
Amanda O'Mara (44:36):
A little vacation .
You know, make a trip out of it.
We'll go on a trip down there.
Yeah, that sounds good.
Well, this was amazing.
Thank you, Brenda, for sharingyour beautiful knowledge with us
and your gifts with the world.
And yeah, I feel like this isdefinitely going to hit home for
a lot of people, especiallywhen it comes to headaches, as
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somebody who's a high achieverthere's a lot of high achievers
that listen to this, so I thinkthis is going to help a lot and,
if it did, please let us know.
Maybe screenshot this tag.
Both of us will drop both ofour links below.
Um, that you listened to it and, um, yeah, anything else you
want to share, brenda, before wejump off.
Brenda Flores (45:16):
I just want to say thank you so much for having
me on I.
Um, I'm very grateful.
I'm excited for people to giveus feedback.
Let us know if they, if we cansupport them in any way.
But thank you so much, amanda,for having me.
Amanda O'Mara (45:29):
I can't wait to squeeze you next weekend in New
Jersey.
It's going to be so fun.
Watch out, world.
We're getting together.
I don't know if that's goodthing or bad thing.
It'll be fun.
It'll be fun, all right, brenda.
See you soon.
Love you so much.
Bye.
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What's up everyone?
Okay, I have a really specialguest today.
Her name is Brenda.
Brenda, what's up, girl.
Welcome to the party.
Brenda Flores (01:14):
Hi, thank you so much for having me so excited.
Amanda O'Mara (01:18):
I was really excited about this one because
Brenda is also a spinalenergetics practitioner and we
get to meet next weekend, whichI'm so freaking pumped about.
Brenda Flores (01:28):
Girl, I'm so excited.
Amanda O'Mara (01:30):
Yeah, so I couldn't think of a better time
to have you on and just talkabout you, your story, what you
do, maybe I don't know.
We'll just see where theconversation leads us.
How does that sound?
I love it Awesome, well, awesome, well.
Let me introduce you a littlebit, so let me see what we have
written down here and then I'lllet you take over.
So, brenda Flores here.
(01:53):
She's the founder of Two MoonsStudio, which is located in the
DC metropolitan area.
So if you're from that area,please go check her out.
So she really she works withindividuals who are experiencing
chronic physical pain, andwe're going to be hearing her
story today about that and howshe can help you as well.
So, really, anyone who'sfeeling disconnected from
(02:15):
themselves, seeking to createtransformative shifts in their
lives and to unlock their truestpotential this is what she
helps with, which is freakingbadass.
So Brenda really helps withsupporting high achieving
individuals who are facing theburnout.
Okay, we have very similarniches here.
I love this.
We're going to dive into somegood juicy stuff today.
(02:37):
So, yeah, she helps you withbreaking past any barriers and
reconnecting you andrediscovering your purpose.
So, brenda, what's up girl?
Tell us a little bit more aboutyou and I hope I hit the nail
on the head.
If you want to add to that,please do.
Brenda Flores (02:53):
Thank you so much .
No, you did.
You definitely hit the nail onthe head.
I appreciate you so much.
First, thank you so much forhaving me on your podcast.
Just listening through some ofyour episodes, I felt very
aligned and I was like, yes, Iguess we got here with her.
So thank you so much for makingthe space for me to come on and
share a little bit about whatwe do and dive a little bit
(03:14):
deeper into that.
So excited, yeah, yeah, and.
But in a nutshell, you know whatI?
What I do is is really becauseof what I experience in my life.
I know I had mentioned to youthat I work with a lot of people
who have chronic pain,specifically a lot of
undiagnosed chronic pain, whichis something that doesn't get
(03:36):
talked about a lot in theWestern culture is, you know,
there's a lot of diagnoses ofdifferent diseases or illnesses.
You know there's a lot ofdiagnoses of different diseases
or illnesses, but when you'rework, when you're dealing with
undiagnosable pain, you're kindof left in this limbo of what am
I supposed to do?
Where else can I go?
Who can help you, doctor?
(03:57):
Xxx?
Amanda O'Mara (03:58):
Yeah, who are like some of the people that you
see.
Like, when it comes to that,like what do you mean by
undiagnosed?
Like they've just they've beento so many doctors and every
doctor is just like I don't knowwhat this is, or oh, you have
anxiety, or oh, you have a cold,like they don't really.
Yeah, it's surface.
Brenda Flores (04:17):
So for me I can speak on mine specifically.
I had chronic head pain, so itwas almost like a chronic
migraine that would never goaway.
It caused head pressure, jawpressure, neck pressure, neck
pain, shoulder pain, a lot ofbrain fog.
I had something called thatwere like pseudo seizures, where
(04:40):
my body would convulse like itwas having a seizure, but it was
not an actual seizure on paperand the way that they track
seizures.
It was not.
It would not show that way.
So when that happens, theycategorize you as someone who's
having like a mental breakdown,or you know it's something
psychological and psychiatric.
(05:03):
Really, because you're having aheadache, something
psychological and psychiatric,Really, Because you're having a
headache, Right, I mean it gotto the point, I mean I can tell
you I got to the point where Ilost hearing in my left ear and
I was peripheral vision in bothof my eyes.
And the ophthalmologist and thethree different neurologists
that I would go to were wouldgive me pharmaceutical after
(05:24):
pharmaceutical to treat thesymptoms of a headache or a
migraine or these, these, uh,pains that I was having, but
never getting to the root cause.
Amanda O'Mara (05:32):
Oh man, this is actually kind of hitting home,
because I've actually struggledmy entire life, since my first
menstrual cycle at the age of 13, major migraines, and it's only
until I got into spinalenergetics that they started to
go away.
Well, okay, yeah, keep going,yeah.
Brenda Flores (05:50):
But.
But that's what I mean withundiagnosed like undiagnosed.
So you're having an issue thatthe doctors don't really
understand why it's continuingto happen, why it's become
chronic.
Chronic is anything that ispersistent and won't go away, no
matter what they throw at itand what they.
What happens is that you fallinto into this little box like a
(06:12):
category of.
You're that person who may bebaby seeking drugs, might just
it might all be in their head.
I had a lot of people say youknow, oh, you know, your pain
tolerance is just not as high asothers, and so, basically
dismissing the fact that Icouldn't get up in the morning
(06:32):
and function like a human being,and it wasn't until I started
seeking outside of Westernmedicine.
So I started with likeacupuncture and I started
getting some relief from methodswhere I also felt heard and
seen and the the practitionerswould touch me, unlike my you
(06:55):
know, my regular medicinedoctors, my regular neurologist
or general practitioners, whobarely ever even touched my head
, even though that's where mypain was so, interestingly
enough, it was until I actuallyleft the US.
I went to another country.
I actually went to El Salvadorto see a naturopathic doctor who
(07:19):
was recommended to me.
I went there and a week in fromworking with him, almost all of
my symptoms were gone.
Amanda O'Mara (07:27):
No way, really Okay.
What's his name?
Where's his address?
Brenda Flores (07:35):
And yes it is.
It was a lot.
You know you have to buy aplane ticket, you have to know
where you're going, you have tostay there.
But it was to the point where Ijust would not accept that this
was my life.
And when a doctor tells you youjust have to accept this might
be your new normal.
I'm not okay with that and Iwas like no way, I cannot have
(07:57):
two kids.
I have a business.
I need to be able to live anormal life.
Amanda O'Mara (08:03):
Yeah, yeah, oh my gosh, yeah, Hello.
I remember like going to gethelp so many times for my
migraines and they startedputting me on these weird diets
and stuff and it just keptgetting worse and worse and
worse.
And they told me, like don'ttake any medication for you know
, and I had this horriblemigraine episode and it went on
(08:24):
for three days.
I literally could not leave mycouch and I was in so much pain
and finally I just like calledthe doctor.
I was like please, like I haveto take something for it.
And they prescribed me somesteroids and it went away.
But I'm like this isn't like itjust kept coming back and it
had come back after.
It's like why are we takingthese surface level solutions
(08:45):
instead of just getting to theroot of where this is coming
from, you know?
Brenda Flores (08:49):
so yeah and I've found.
You know, I ended up, out ofdesperation, really going
digging deeper into this and,like I was, I joined Facebook
groups.
There was was thousands,thousands of people dealing with
undiagnosed pain and it justfelt so hopeless.
(09:10):
You know that they, they wereliving with it for a lot longer
than I was, you know, and I waslike how I can't be, you know, I
can't go on another few yearsin this same pattern.
Yeah, and that's what I meanwhen we talk about what are my
clients are people who haveundiagnosed pain.
It can be chronic muscle spasms, like they do, you know, a
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little bit of activity and allof a sudden their muscles just
contract.
Chronic, chronic fatigue,chronic that's big.
Amanda O'Mara (09:42):
That's big with entrepreneurs, just like moms
too.
Right the exhaustion, pureexhaustion.
Brenda Flores (09:48):
Yeah, yeah, and at the time I was a very I was
an overachiever, I worked reallylong hours, I had my regular
full-time job and I started abusiness, you know, back in 2017
, I think it was the hardestpart.
I was literally working almosttwo full-time jobs.
I think it was the hardest part.
I was literally working almosttwo full-time jobs one on our
business our family business andone at a corporate job and I
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think that that's really whatstarted this the pain getting
worse and worse and worse, asthe stress would just come over
me.
And then you come to find, whenI went to the doctor the
naturopathic doctor in ElSalvador.
Then you come to find, when Iwent to the doctor the
naturopathic doctor in ElSalvador I was literally in a
chronic state or fight or flight, and that's what caused all the
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muscles around my head tocontract and then never let go.
They're compressing against allthe nerves.
So my eyes would flutter allthe time.
I wasn't getting enough sleep.
I wasn't able to rest.
Even if I felt like I slept forhours, I wasn't getting rest,
which then messed up theperformance of the things that I
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had to do.
I would wake up and I wouldn'tperform as well.
I couldn't be as present as Iwanted to be, and I think that's
why a lot of people who areoverachievers, who are business
owners, who are living in ahustle mode or entrepreneurs,
they, they struggle a lot withum, with that stress, and that
creates those tension boundpatterns in their body.
Amanda O'Mara (11:14):
Um, oh yeah, oh yeah.
Yeah, it's so common,especially in entrepreneurs like
the restless nights, like notbeing able to thinking about
work 24 seven.
You know, I remember I used togo on vacation.
It was so hard for me to likedetach from work and not think
about my clients, um my team,and just like enjoy my vacation.
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I felt guilty, just like a momfeels guilty, to like she tries
to take care of herself.
That was me as a, as a businessowner, like I needed to take
care of my, my family, my team,you know like, and my clients,
and.
But I couldn't.
I couldn't, um, just trustmyself enough, and I've heard
that before A lot of times.
A lot of headaches can comefrom just like that lack of
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internal trust and reallytrusting yourself to let go of
things you can't control.
Brenda Flores (12:07):
Yes, that's really what it is is the lack of
being able to let go of control.
It's we live in a, you know, asociety that's very much about
control and how they controlconsumers, how they control the
employees, and so we get stuckinto that and, yeah, it's a very
(12:28):
, very defeating pattern thatyou don't like.
Your body will give you smallcues that your body will tell
you, little by little I needrest.
I need more water, I need allthese little things.
Right, we start to feel it.
We might get dizzy when we getup or we might be super tired or
not being able to to feel asenergized in the morning.
Those are little bits of cuesthat our body is giving us and
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saying hey, pay attention to me.
So for people with chronic pain, it starts with just a headache
once in a while.
Then it can go from a migraineonce in a while that lasts three
days, and then a few months goby and then it's the headaches
come back, hands start shakinglike I couldn't even take
pictures of checks to depositchecks, because so at that point
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I knew something was wrong, butI still didn't listen to my
body.
It was almost like my body hadto be like no, listen to me and
no more.
You know, really, pay attention.
Amanda O'Mara (13:29):
It's like your body's, like hello I'm here,
Literally screaming for helpthrough symptoms like she just
described.
And you know, whenever I thinkof headaches, what I was always
hit home for me was how muchpressure are you putting on
yourself?
Like, literally, it's pressurebuilding up in your head and so
(13:49):
we're in your life.
Are you putting on too muchpressure on yourself?
And for me I found it calm.
Come in, let me know if thisresonates with you too, brenda,
where it's a lot of theperfectionist too.
Yeah, like we are highachievers, we want things to
look really good and perfect andso we put that added
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unnecessary pressure on us, andthat's where a lot of head gain,
head stuff comes up, themigraines and whatnot.
Brenda Flores (14:18):
Yeah, yeah, it definitely resonates with me.
I think a lot of it's.
You know, working with otherhigh achievers, we have very
similar, you know, symptoms orcharacteristics of our
personality.
We're, all you know, you know,highly hyper aware of things,
very attention, detailedoriented, organized when it
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comes to, like our workespecially, um, we're always
like thinking ahead, three stepsahead, thinking in the future,
planning for the future, settingup the goals, looking at
metrics, all these things, andso we don't just have the
pressure of that present moment,we have the added pressure that
we're putting ourselves for thefuture.
Yeah, like we have to achievethis by this year, year three.
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We have to do this by quarterfour.
We have to do this, you know.
So it's very much, uh, once youget out of one thing that
you've accomplished, you alreadyhave six things already in line
.
Amanda O'Mara (15:13):
So it's very difficult to get out of that
cycle.
Anxiety is another big symptomaround this too.
Um, yeah, I used to have a lotof panic attacks which are more
from like trauma, but I mean,migraines are from trauma too,
if we wanna get into that.
But yeah, you know what I mean.
It's just so much when it comesto entrepreneurs and how much
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of that pressure we actually puton ourselves and not realizing
it, and I didn't even realize it.
I thought that was normal.
It wasn't until somebodyliterally told me, like Amanda,
that's not normal.
I'm like, oh, so I hopewhoever's listening to this
right now with us is like oh,that's not normal.
Brenda Flores (15:59):
Yeah, absolutely.
I didn't know it was not normalto to um, to plan like that,
put so much pressure myself toto literally have all these
ideas come through, writing themdown.
I felt like it was just who Iwas.
But my dad was an entrepreneurand I saw him go through the
very same things of like atpressuring himself to to think
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of the next idea, the nextbusiness idea.
If something failed.
He put a lot of pressure onhimself.
He had a family too, and weknow that that comes with stress
, but it was, it was learnedbehavior for me, like I learned
that that was his norm and thatwas my norm growing up.
So that's what I became,essentially.
(16:44):
You know, I just repeated thatpattern.
You know, and it's it'sbeautiful to be able to be on
the other side of it and stillstill find ways of being
successful.
And I do air quotes around thatbecause it's different for
everyone what that word means.
But finding what works for youas a person, for you, for your
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family, for your lifestyle, isso important because it's not
cookie cutter, it's not oneshape fits all, it definitely
isn't like there's so manydifferent industries, right, but
apart from that, there's alsodifferent individuals, and
that's what I've learned throughall of this is that you can
still find success.
You can still work really hardon your business, but finding
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ways to connect with yourselfagain is so important.
So that you don't burn out, soyou don't have pain, so that you
don't burn out, so you don'thave pain, so that you don't
have anxiety attacks, so you canwork through the day thriving
not just living and be at youroptimum.
Amanda O'Mara (17:43):
You know potential yeah, I mean that's
why we call this podcast thecalm CEO, because that's what
happened with me.
I was that super dysregulated,anxious, headaches every day,
entrepreneur, struggling, and Iwas very successful, but I was
no matter how hard I worked, Iwas never satisfied.
(18:03):
It was never enough.
And yeah, oh man, yeah, yeah, Iwant to hear more like the, the
uh, if you're open and you knowcomfortable with it, talking
about the trauma and maybe whereheadaches and that pressure
really come from.
It sounds like maybe from thefamily and your dad being an
(18:23):
entrepreneur.
I too, my dad, was verysuccessful as a doctor, but
what's behind that?
Even you know, I talk a lotabout like with my dad.
It felt like the only love orattention I would get from him
was when I was doing really goodin school, you know, getting
(18:44):
those straight A's and likemaking sure the house was clean
before I got home, and thenthat's when I would get
recognized for something.
And so something was programmedin me at such a young age where
, in order to be loved, I haveto do this, I have to be perfect
at this and this and this, andthat's kind of how that started.
(19:04):
So, underneath all of thetrauma, was this programming or
conditioning or belief of likeif I don't do this correctly or
perfectly, then I won't be loved?
Brenda Flores (19:17):
Oh, that's hard.
Thank you so much for sharingthat and being so vulnerable
about that.
That's a, you know, a layerthat a lot of people don't pull
back when they're looking at ohI'm this way, I'm just this way.
You know, they don't pull thatlayer back.
So it is so important for us to, in order to feel good and move
(19:42):
forward with our life, is topeel back that layer, look back
and say, okay, where, where didthis start, where did this
happen?
And so thank you for sharingthat.
I too, actually, I experienced alittle bit of the same in a
different way.
So we're first generationimmigrants from Bolivia, so my
parents both immigrated fromBolivia, and with the immigrant
mentality comes a lot of likeyou have to work to the bone
(20:06):
because you came and lefteverything and this is the only
opportunity and only shot youhave.
And so for my dad, anentrepreneur with that added
pressure he you know both himand my mom worked in several
different businesses.
He always had lots of businessideas and he was working
actively in them, so my parentsweren't always around.
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At a very young age I was I hadto really step into the role of
like you know, helping mysister being in the house.
I even at some point helpedthem negotiate a mortgage deal
because they couldn't understandso a lot of and I'm sure this
will resonate with otherlisteners who are also from
immigrant parents that they feltthat they were kind of the
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parent in a lot of times or hadto kind of step in because their
parents didn't speak Englishand into the language and didn't
know how to articulate oradvocate for themselves in that
way, and that you're kind ofjust thrown in to figure it out.
Like I never had help withhomework and I love my parents.
They were great parents.
They did give me a lot of lovewhen they were there, but they
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weren't always there becausethey were working so hard for us
.
So because of that, I was avery rebellious teenager.
I think I rebelled a lotbecause I really wanted that
attention that they couldn'tgive me, and so I would
literally come home bloodshoteyes and like stare at them and
(21:33):
be like, yeah, say something,like I wanted to say something,
because I wanted them to noticethat I, you know, was under the
influence or I smelled likecigarettes, but unfortunately,
you know, they didn't.
And a lot now, after you knowreally working through that, I
understand that like they liveda whole different life their.
Their main goal was to providefor us, and the way that they
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provided for us was give us aroof over our head, you know,
warm food in our bellies andopportunities, and that's what
my dad always wanted.
It was like through business Ican get my kids opportunities.
I can have them, you know, payfor college and all this stuff.
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Brenda Flores (22:42):
I understand that now, but at the time, 13,
14-year-old Brenda really justwanted attention from her
parents, and so that's wherethat that rebellious side came
out.
I led me down a very dangerouspath of hanging out with a lot
of not the right people, peoplethat took advantage of my, my
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vulnerability, of where I was asa child, you know, as a
teenager, and through that stem,the, I need to be in control of
things.
I will never again be out ofcontrol.
So that's where it began for me, and that with the entrepreneur
mindset was like a catalyst forthe mess that came After a few
(23:27):
years of working really, reallyhard for the attention of her
parents and that validation fromsociety that I so craved.
Amanda O'Mara (23:38):
Wow, wow, thank you for sharing that.
I feel like so many people aregoing to like totally resonate
with that and understand.
Yeah, I spoke about this inanother episode.
When I did ayahuasca, I wasshown this vision of this my IUD
, my birth control and it waslike the main theme throughout
(24:06):
my entire ceremony of liketrying to get this IUD out of me
energetically and it like didby the end.
But then I was like so confused, like what does this mean?
And I didn't know until thelongest time, and then finally I
figured it out it's birthcontrol control.
Like I needed to let go ofcontrol and letting go of that
(24:26):
pressure Because we hold on tothat, because that's how we
think we can survive in thisworld, by controlling the
situation and maybe those aroundus and what we're doing.
And yeah, it was like me, itwas like with my team and my
experience with it, like Icouldn't stop thinking about
them because, in a way, I feltlike I had to control the
(24:48):
situation because I didn't trustmyself enough to trust them
enough to just take over and letthings flow.
Brenda Flores (24:57):
Yeah, I resonate that a lot with that a lot.
So there's that the inabilityto delegate things.
Yeah, ability to let go ofthings that feel like they're
yours, even though they're yourteams and you're you know you
are their leader.
You will help them through andyou show them they.
They're your teams and you'reyou know you are their leader.
You will help them through andyou show them they they're your
team.
For a reason and that was oneof the big things for me was I
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always was like I was about toask for help or something and I
would just I'm just gonna do it.
Amanda O'Mara (25:24):
Yeah, yeah, we have a hard time asking for help
.
Yeah, oh yeah.
Brenda Flores (25:28):
For a lot of business owners and
overachievers and entrepreneurs,it's the control of.
No one's going to love mybusiness more than I.
No one's going to work harderfor my business than I am.
Yeah, why would I delegate this?
I've been at my home, you know,this entire time.
I can do.
I've been doing all of thesethings for this entire time, for
x amount of years, and now youwant me to let go and give this
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baby to someone.
Amanda O'Mara (25:54):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, oh God.
Yes, that was me.
Hey, oh, yeah, yeah, okay.
So so tell us a little bit moreabout, like, what you're doing
now and maybe what you see a lotin clients when it comes to
chronic pain.
I know I get a lot of like backpain too, right?
(26:16):
Talk about some of the othercommon types of pain chronic
pain.
Brenda Flores (26:20):
So I have a lot of clients who have chronic back
, lower end upper back pain, alot of migraines, a lot of
shoulder and neck pain.
Again, just most of them aretype A personalities who have a
lot of stress who are, even ifthey're not type A, they're just
in a very stressful situationthat they have not been able to
(26:40):
get out of.
Muscle spasms are anotherreally big thing where people
they, they their muscle spasm inthe point in areas where it's
not feasible to do their job orto do their work.
So there's athletes thatsometimes will get muscle spasms
at the most worst time ever.
People who drive a lot ofdrivers, who sit for long
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periods of time, also have a lotof lower back pain and they're
like oh yeah, those that sit ata desk too all day probably.
Yes, yeah, a lot of the.
I mean that's pretty much likeeveryone in the world.
Yeah right, you know all ofyeah, a lot of.
Amanda O'Mara (27:12):
I mean that's pretty much like everyone in the
world right, all of us sittingon our phones to and hunched
over, not realizing our postureDefinitely.
Brenda Flores (27:19):
Yeah, so there's a lot of people who have like
nerve pain, so carpal tunnel.
They'll have like their armsand their limbs will get like
really numb and tingly a lot andthey're not sure why.
And they've seen doctors andtheir circulation is fine and
they're not sure why, um, andthey've seen doctors and their
circulation is fine.
So they're not sure what it isand they're told it's just
pinched nerve and they have towear a brace or deal with it.
(27:41):
But really it's, uh, it comesfrom the, the dysregulated
nervous system your body is justsaying, hey, pay attention to
me here.
Um, so, so that's a lot of theclients that I see that have
chronic pain.
I've had a few to a lot whohave like fibromyalgia, so
things that are diagnosed butstill very misunderstood, like
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they don't know why it happens.
They have like a lot ofautoimmune disease that just
comes up pots, which is a reallybig one pot, same yeah, yeah,
question marks around it andit's almost like they just
decided to just diagnose them,just to diagnose them.
So a mixture of diagnosed butthe things don't add up, and
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then a lot of undiagnosed, sothat and to be completely honest
, amanda, there is so manydifferent people in this world
who experience the same kind ofthings.
It's astonishing to me thatthere isn't more information out
there that helps people likewho doesn't have a headache once
(28:48):
in a while?
And anything that you readabout a headache is Tylenol,
ibuprofen and anything that youread about a headache is Tylenol
ibuprofen.
If you can't deal with that, goin for a migraine cocktail at
the ER.
They'll just juice you on upand it'll cut it and you'll be
fine, and then after that it'ssteroids.
So there are very much like.
This is what you do if you havea headache.
This is what you do if you havea migraine.
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But they don't work together towork with the person like an
individualized plan to treatthem and figure out what's wrong
with them.
Yeah the headache or the backpain or the numbness is just a
symptom of what's reallyhappening underneath everything.
Amanda O'Mara (29:24):
Oh, totally, yeah , I mean, I mean definitely so
much credit to doctors and youknow everybody has their place
out there, but why not look atthe body as a whole?
You know, like as a whole, like, yeah, I think um, medicine is
good if it's, you know, as atemporary solution depending on
(29:46):
where you're at, but eventually,it can save your life.
Let's just be honest oh yeah,medicine can save your life.
Brenda Flores (29:51):
It has a place.
Be honest, medicine can saveyour life.
It has a place in this world.
Doctors have a place in thisworld.
I love my general doctor, myphysician now.
She's great.
I think that, like you weresaying, there's not one central.
They have to really communicatewith each other.
So if you have one really greatdoctor and they send you to a
specialist for something thatdoctor might not be in the same
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like, share the same style andapproach as the doctor that you
really like, and that's wherethere's a disconnect.
There's just so many differentpeople and they're all
practicing, you know, fromdifferent places places of love,
places of education, places ofboth of those together, you know
.
So it's difficult when there's alot of doctors, and what
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happens with chronic pain isthat most of the time your, your
general doctor, doesn't knowhow to help you anymore and
that's why they send you todifferent doctors and so you're
seeing like this specialist andthat specialist and the other
specialist and the eye doctorand the dentist, to see if it's
jaw, all these different doctors, and it's hard to communicate.
(30:56):
For everyone to communicatecohesively, right.
It doesn't mean that they'rebad, you know, they're good
people at the core.
They're doing the best thatthey know how, but sometimes I
wish that the system was not sobroken where people could get
more help in one place, andthat's where I feel like there's
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a little bit of a gap.
Amanda O'Mara (31:20):
Yeah, I agree, it's the missing link.
So do you just do spinalenergetics or do you do anything
else with your clients?
Brenda Flores (31:28):
Sure, so I am a Reiki practitioner and that's
actually the first thing I gotcertified in.
It's something that I used tohelp me stay in a calm state.
Yeah, I was like I want toshare this with other people.
So I'm a Reiki practitioner, Ifacilitate breath work, and then
I also have community circleswith the women and co-ed as well
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, where we would do cacao, we domicrodose and really just build
a community, because a lot oftimes that's really really what
people need is just support fromeach other.
Amanda O'Mara (32:03):
Yeah, that sense of belonging for sure.
Wow, that's incredible.
Do you have any liketransformations you want to
share with us, like clientresults and any of that?
Brenda Flores (32:16):
So many, but the couple that come to my mind
especially about.
So I have two really greatexamples.
So one of my clients who cameto me had chronic muscle spasms.
He, he could not.
He would have periods of timeevery year.
He would always go through thesecycles of muscle spasms where
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his lower back and legs wouldjust start spasming and they
were very painful, he couldn'twork, would last a week or two.
So imagine having to take twoweeks every few months off of
work to be able to just getbetter.
And by getting better it'sreally just taking medication,
laying in bed and resting andthen it would happen again.
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So it was a very continuouscycle for years, since he was 18
years old, and so when he cameto see me we worked a lot on
just his reconnection to hisbody.
He had learned to disassociatefrom his body because of the
pain that he experienced.
He would just say always thathe was fine, he was fine, he was
(33:22):
fine, and that was just kind oflike.
The norm for him was toexperience these muscle spasms
and, um, he's.
He's seen me about six times nowbut, around the second and
third visit he had, he said thathe felt almost like his muscles
just kind of release, and hewent to the doctor.
Two days later he had grew,grown two inches Like his height
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his height, two inches.
And and the way that that showsis because the muscles were so
compressed, so tight, they werepulling him down.
So as those muscles started torelease, as those muscles
started to release, she was ableto stand taller.
Yeah.
Oh my God, it was amazing tohear he was so excited.
He still, to this day, talksabout how this work has helped
him grow in height.
Amanda O'Mara (34:16):
Yeah, we don't need surgery, guys, get taller,
just have spinal energetics.
Brenda Flores (34:21):
Exactly yes, and he's had a huge decrease in the
amount of spasms he gets.
He can work through the spasms.
He learned to reconnect withhis body.
He can breathe to those areasand allow his body to kind of
unwind in a natural way.
Versus as soon as like you haveto understand with chronic pain,
amanda you do not want to getit, so you're constantly worried
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that you're going to get it.
You're constantly alreadyanticipating that pain.
So you get into this tight spotof your muscles already feeling
like they're going to startgetting sick or you're just
going to start experiencing thepain.
And so that's what I think iswhat works with spinal
energetics is you become aperson that's so much more in
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tune with their body that you'reable to let go of that control
of having to know if you'reabout to get pain, if you're
about to experience that pain,and through that comes less pain
and the ability to work throughthe pain as it comes up.
So he's had great resultsthrough this work.
He's able to work and function.
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Even if he does get a fewspasms, he's able to really work
through them, and that to me ishe said it's life-changing it
really is life-changing.
That's amazing.
Amanda O'Mara (35:38):
Yeah, I'm even like noticing throughout our
whole conversation.
There's been a few times I hadto like relax my shoulders and
my neck, Like you just become somuch more aware, the more in
tune you are with your body,Like, oh, I'm contracting right
now let's let that go real quick.
Brenda Flores (35:55):
You know, yeah, and that's the whole point.
You know, because you do thiswork too is through that
reconnection comes thatawareness.
So, you learn what it feels liketo clench your jaw, even though
before you might have clenchedyour jaw all the time and you
didn't notice you were doing it.
When you become, you know, morein tune with your body, you can
feel what that softness feelslike.
(36:15):
You can feel what it feels liketo just loosen that and you
don't want to keep experiencingthat tightness.
So you remind yourself thatit's okay to let go, it's okay
to unclench.
Amanda O'Mara (36:29):
Everybody.
Just take a deep breath rightnow and relax.
Oh God, yeah, yeah, it's just,it's so interesting, like even
just your posture too, like areyou hunching over?
Are you sitting up straight?
Like where's your body at rightnow?
And just take a moment to justnotice it, right?
Brenda Flores (36:52):
Just pause and reflect.
Amanda O'Mara (36:53):
Yeah, incredible.
Brenda Flores (36:56):
Yeah, yeah.
So that's.
There's so many wonderfulstories, but a lot, of, a lot of
the clients I also see.
I've seen quite a few familymembers, so daughters with moms,
grandmothers, fathers withtheir sons.
There's been like a huge Idon't know if it's a shift or
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something, but where a lot ofthese clients are coming to me
because their mom came to me ortheir sister came to me and
they're also looking to get intune with their body and dig a
little bit deeper into some ofthose wounds that sometimes can
happen through your ancestors,through your lineage, through
your parents, those learnedbehaviors and patterns that you
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don't even know sometimes, thatthey're learned behaviors and
patterns.
Amanda O'Mara (37:45):
Right oh yeah, yeah, I definitely want to talk
about ancestral stuff, becausethat's been obviously a newer
thing with level two spinalenergetics they go really deep
into that and the DNA, and uh,they say that trauma can get
passed down by seven generations.
Seven generations, which isjust wild to me it's a wild
(38:09):
journey to know it's almost.
Brenda Flores (38:11):
I have a lot of clients in myself too.
At one point I was like why?
Why is it fair?
I don't want your stuff.
Yeah, I didn't deserve thisthere's so many great.
Why do I have to deal withgreat, great, great, great
grandma?
Amanda O'Mara (38:24):
there's so many memes out there when it comes to
ancestral stuff yeah, you'rejust lugging along.
Brenda Flores (38:30):
So, apart from just your things, apart from
your own experiences, you'realso, you know, pulling all of
that with you and um, and that'sbeen a big theme, I would say,
probably the last maybe four tosix months, where there's been a
lot of people who have made alot of progress in their
individual lives, like as justthem, but that they said like
(38:53):
there's something that feels,like it's almost like pulling me
back, like there's like, assoon as I gain traction, I get
pulled back into this pattern orinto this behavior, or my mom
triggers me, or my dad triggersme, and I don't know why they're
triggering me so much.
And I've noticed that throughworking with the different
(39:14):
generations that some of myclients are, it's allowed them
to really dig deeper, like we'vehad a grandma, the mom and the
daughter, so three generationshere in this space, and everyone
is so different, yet so alikein the same way, like that, when
(39:35):
you're talking about down to amolecule, down to the dna, it's
so interesting to see a lot ofthe same things be occurring in
their lives even though they'reages apart.
Yeah, so I feel, I feel verygrateful I'm sure you do too so
grateful to be able toexperience this work with them,
(39:56):
to see the clients putting inthat work yeah, buying that
ain't easy, that's for sure itis not, and I get chills when I
think about it, because it isnot easy there.
It's easier to just say, nevermind, I'm not going to go down
that road, it's too, much yeah,or uh, uh, been there, done that
.
I'm just going to close the box,but no matter how much you try,
(40:20):
like as soon as you open this,people refer to as it as a
Pandora's box the Pandora's boxhas like a very negative thing
right Like when we think of it,we're like, oh, chaos and
destruction and this, and that Ifeel like it's a gift.
A box that you open that's agift and it just keeps giving
and some of it is great, some ofit is not great.
(40:42):
Some of it you look at it, youget super excited.
Yes, thank you, aunt Patty, Ilove this gift.
And then you're like oh, uncleTom like that kind of sucks.
You know he gave me socks, soit's like that's how I I like
socks.
I know too.
Amanda O'Mara (41:00):
I mean, you know when.
I was a kid.
If anybody wants to get me agift for Christmas, get me socks
.
I love socks.
There's my address.
Brenda Flores (41:09):
But yeah, I mean, of course I love socks, but
when you're a kid you want, youknow yeah, you want, you want a
game, yeah or whatever.
Amanda O'Mara (41:22):
Or a.
Brenda Flores (41:22):
Barbie.
Amanda O'Mara (41:23):
Yeah.
Brenda Flores (41:24):
So, instead of a Pandora's box, to me it's a gift
box and once you open it andyou start digging deeper the
awareness that you gain throughthat journey, it's very hard to
shut that box.
Amanda O'Mara (41:39):
Yeah, yeah.
Brenda Flores (41:40):
It's very that voice in your head that knows
just a little bit more.
That's your intuition.
As that grew stronger, it'sharder to not pay attention and
to not listen to it.
So I find, for my clients whocome and maybe they come only
one time and they're just likeit's too much, or I'm good, now
(42:04):
I feel better and they don'twant to keep digging a little
bit deeper I find that eitherway, that voice, that box was
open and that voice and thatawareness is still there.
So if I can say anything to anyof your listeners is you know,
just listen to that voice,because it's you, it's yourself
saying and you can do that, wecan do this you know, yes, and
(42:25):
just move forward in it.
And know it's scary, I know it'schallenging it.
There is really hard thingsthat you're gonna have to face,
but a lot of it is like youdon't even have to really face
it, like you can walk through it.
Don't look, don't look at theside, don't look at the face
coming up.
You're walking through thatdark tunnel and it's scary and
(42:46):
it's challenging, but just keepwalking.
Just keep walking.
Amanda O'Mara (42:49):
I know I will say too, like I know I said it's no
, it's really hard, but at thesame time, like once you're in
it, it's actually very catharticfeeling, Like it's um, it kind
of feels good to just let it go.
And it's not.
It's never as bad as I thinkit's going to be either and my
clients report the same thingback to me too.
(43:10):
Like, so if you're like afraidto really go into the deep
ancestral healing work, likejust know, it's maybe not as bad
as you think.
Brenda Flores (43:15):
I'll just put it out there yeah, absolutely, and
I find that you know there's somany more people in this
community now that are ready tosupport you yeah, like brenda
here, yeah yeah, I think beforeit was something that a lot of
people shied away from talkingabout because it wasn't your own
(43:38):
like.
like you know how you go totherapy, you're talking about
your stuff and other people'sstuff.
But when you're digging deep's,like it's not just your own
stuff, it's the stuff that youwere given, it's the stuff that
was passed down and that canbring up some very difficult
conversations.
That can bring up somedifficult feelings for a lot of
people who are used to nevertalking about things that have
(43:59):
happened in their family orexperiences that have happened
in their family.
So just know that when they'rewhere there is a safe space
whether that's with Amanda, withme or any other practitioner
that you feel safe with it'sokay to dig a little deeper and
allow yourself to feel supportedin the areas that you haven't
felt supported in before.
Amanda O'Mara (44:20):
Yes, yes, wow, or go to El Salvador, yes, yes.
Brenda Flores (44:24):
Wow, or go to El Salvador.
We'll start a chat for everyonewho wants to go.
Yeah, everyone's going to.
Amanda O'Mara (44:30):
El Salvador.
I like warm.
Wait, is it warm down there?
It?
Brenda Flores (44:33):
is.
It is Okay.
Yeah, it's nice.
Amanda O'Mara (44:36):
A little vacation .
You know, make a trip out of it.
We'll go on a trip down there.
Yeah, that sounds good.
Well, this was amazing.
Thank you, Brenda, for sharingyour beautiful knowledge with us
and your gifts with the world.
And yeah, I feel like this isdefinitely going to hit home for
a lot of people, especiallywhen it comes to headaches, as
(44:57):
somebody who's a high achieverthere's a lot of high achievers
that listen to this, so I thinkthis is going to help a lot and,
if it did, please let us know.
Maybe screenshot this tag.
Both of us will drop both ofour links below.
Um, that you listened to it and, um, yeah, anything else you
want to share, brenda, before wejump off.
Brenda Flores (45:16):
I just want to say thank you so much for having
me on I.
Um, I'm very grateful.
I'm excited for people to giveus feedback.
Let us know if they, if we cansupport them in any way.
But thank you so much, amanda,for having me.
Amanda O'Mara (45:29):
I can't wait to squeeze you next weekend in New
Jersey.
It's going to be so fun.
Watch out, world.
We're getting together.
I don't know if that's goodthing or bad thing.
It'll be fun.
It'll be fun, all right, brenda.
See you soon.
Love you so much.
Bye.
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