Secrets of a Submissive Cam Queen: Camsoda Star Tatted Ava

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And I'll like verbally encourageit through like my dirty talking
like, so it's like psychologically I'm putting the
idea in their mind without actually showing them, showing
them it. Holy shit.
So you're psychologically manipulating these fucking guys?
Yeah, it's nice. I love that.
Yeah. Let's just get into it.

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Let me introduce you, Tatadeva, or yes, yes, all right, tatted
Eva and I love your fucking was it tattoo, tattoos, curls and a
whole lot of ass. Yeah.
Yeah. Yes, yes, it was sass, but
emphasized on the ass, you know?Yeah, yeah, I forgot the sass

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part. My bad.
Yeah, it's. OK, it's OK.
Yes, that's me. Hello.
It sure is you God damn. So finally we fucking did this
and that's something I want to touch on real quick, like
because like we planned on doingthis like last week and shit,
right, yes, and stuff gets in the way, just like when you

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fucking you know, like as a Cam girl, like you have a life, you
have, you know, you have personal stuff going on.
Yes, yes. Well, I have, I have 3 kids.
Yeah, I have 3 kids, so and I'm a single mom.
I'm a single mom and I have 3 kids.

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So I literally, I do have an outside life all the time.
Like it's nonstop. Yeah, it's crazy out here.
So all right, so you got your personal life.
Of course, 3 kids. That's crazy because I have two
and like 1's enough I. Have nothing.
You know. No, I got three.

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I have a 5 year old. Wait for it.
I have a 5 year old, a three-year old and a 2 year old.
So they're all under. Yeah, it's crazy around here.
Shit, yeah, that's fucking crazy.
I mean, I got a 20 year old and an 8 year old.
No way. Yeah, that's a good enough
fucking age gap. Like, you know, had the 20, you
know, did all that shit and likestarting over so.

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But yeah, she's Christ, Yeah, 20years old.
And that's what is that fucking 12 year old 12 year distance 12.
Yeah. I'm not good at math, but.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, so, so I had my first kid
when like basically when you were born or something.
Something like that, yeah. I'm only 23, so yeah.

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Holy shit it's true. Not to age you, but yeah.
Fuck. But yeah, so how do you fucking
balance that shit? Because I mean, that shit's
crazy because like as a Cam girl, like it takes a lot of
fucking and I go through this with everyone.

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It takes so much fucking work. It's not just like, you know,
shooting videos, busting out your Beaver.
It's not just, it's not just that, right?
Yeah, well, honestly, if I've been camming for about four
years and yeah, yeah, low key, yes, low key.

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So like now, you know, I canned when I was pregnant, when I
would postpartum. Like I've literally just canned
throughout my children. And even now I've been two years
pregnant free and I've just kindof learned to like my schedule.
I've learned how to make the like my schedule work for me.

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And I just honestly, I take hella time off probably more
than I should, but I've learned that as a Cam model, self-care
helps you perform 100% better. Yeah.
Yeah, I hear a lot of that. Like, you know, you got to
fucking take care of yourself. Makes sense.

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But hold up. So you were performing while you
were pregnant? Yeah, you're like, go pump the
fucking brakes, Yeah. Yeah, so you are a Prego, Yeah,
Prego porn and shit, right? Yeah, they love that shit.
They do. There is a kink for everything

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and like lactation fetishes. I did a lot of lactation.
I did. I was pregnant and I just like
after I gave birth. Yeah, I'm just, I've been a Cam
model for him. I don't know.
Yeah, it's. Crazy.
Well, no, I'm curious about the lactation and shit like, yeah,
what do you do? Like you just like squirt some
milk out or how's that? Oh.

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My I sound so crazy. What can I say?
What can I not say? Fuck it, say anything, OK?
'Cause I can go pretty deep. I'm such an yeah.
Yeah, I'm, I'm curious. I'm so curious about this shit.
OK, so I don't do lactation anymore 'cause it's been 2 years
since, or it's been a year sinceI've breastfed actually.

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But before I would just do fetishes where I would like
squirt it all over my body. I would like put it into a cup
and drink it. Yeah, it was, yeah.
I don't know if that's weird or not.
Like drink your own milk. Yeah.
I mean, I tasted my wife's milk.Which, yeah.
You know, it was, I don't know, it was gross.

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Yeah, it's like bitter. It's kind of like bitter cow's
milk. Yeah, yeah, I'm not into milk at
all. Like, yeah, what the fuck?
Wait, you drink me? I just glossed over that you
drank your own milk. Yeah, yeah.
Like do you do like one of them like 90s videos like you know,

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like milk does about good? And like licks like have like a
milk mustache. Yeah, yeah.
No. Well, OK, it was like night.
It was just kind of like a straight up just kind of like I
put into a cup and I drunk it. Oh, like, like just in general

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like. Yeah, yeah.
No big deal. No big deal.
Yeah, and. And so guys are into that, like,
they just want to see you drink it.
Like they don't care, like, you know, if you're looking sexy or
whatever, they just want to see you drink it.
No, yeah, people are weird. I I've learned the weirder it

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is, yeah, the more kinkier it is, the more they pay it, you
know? Yeah.
Yes, I said suck it. I'm your book.
Sure, I made it, you know. Yeah, that.
Wow, that's fucking. I don't know.
That's crazy. Like on to the next.

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Well, yeah, obviously you didn'tstart out like that, right?
Like like how did you start? With lactation or as a Cam
model? Or as a Cam model, yeah.
OK, OK. So actually my mom, I got pretty
lucky. So my mom's been a Cam model for
like 14 years. Like some crazy shit.
Yeah. Like, it's just strictly a Cam

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model for the last 14 years. And so she told me about it.
Like I, I knew she was a Cam model when I was a teenager, but
when I was about like 1819, she kept telling me like, he'll do
so good at it. Like you'd be, you know, like,
you have to look for it. You have the personality, like,
just try it out. And so I started when I was

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about 19. Yeah, I started when I was 19
and like make my mom's pool house.
I was living like in her extra house in the backyard.
And it was just like, I started one night and I said fuck it.
I started streaming on MFC, my free cams.
And I was like, in like a bra and underwear, like sitting in

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like a computer chair. And I kind of just fell in love
with the fact that men paid me or just.
Just sitting there. Just sitting there I was like,
this is fucking crazy. Fuck, I would love that.
Yeah, that's how. Yeah, that's how it started.
Now here I am four years later, so going strong.

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Yeah, so have you. I guess that's kind of weird,
but have you ever like, since your mom's a Cam girl, have you
ever like, done stuff, Not stuffstuff?
Together. Yeah, yeah, just been on Cam
together. Oh, no, no.
So like we, I know that's yeah, yes, no, you're so nervous to

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ask that. Yeah.
You know, because like, it's kind of awkward, you know?
Yes. Well, no.
So we've never done anything together, but we're very open
about it. Like we're super like there is
no such thing as TMI. It's just like I did this today,
like I squirted, didn't know howto do that.

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I wanted to anal and I had to dofandom.
And so we're just like completely open about it.
Yeah, together. Yeah, but we don't camp
together, but we talk about it together.
Yeah, yeah. So does your does any of your
family know or is it just like between you guys?

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So, so about a couple years ago,I was like, I was with this guy
and we were going through a breakup.
And in the midst of the breakup a couple years ago, he like,
sent my dad a screenshot of, like, him fucking me from the
back on a campsite. Yeah, it he was literally

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blackmail me. Yeah.
He's just such a yeah. So he sent a screenshot to my
dad. So he, like, knew a couple years
ago that I was, like, partaking in it.
But recently now in today's time, he doesn't ask me.
I think he knows. Like he just doesn't.

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Ask me doesn't want to know. You don't want to know that
shit. Why the fuck?
Oh my God, why would someone like even if you were the
biggest piece of shit in the world to him, why would he like
that's just like. Yeah.
Yeah, yeah. Like why?

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Literally I. Mean.
Yeah, right. Right.
But literally send him a pictureof the screenshot of me being
bent over getting fucked and yeah of him fucking me on a
campsite to my dad. What a piece of shit.
Yeah, yeah. Jesus Christ.
Oh that's a fucking downer. God damn.

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Yeah, but I guess me and my dad,I mean we still recondals.
Like we're still, we have a really great relationship
though. Like we're closer than ever.
Yeah, you're his kid. Like, you know you.
No, let's just fucking skip overthat.
Yeah, yeah. So after.
It is, but that's interesting. So your mom's been a Cam girl

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for 14 years. I can't do math, but that was a
long time ago. Like when camming first started
and you said you were a teenagerwhen she started.
Yeah. So like, yeah, yeah, no, like
did you like see her camming or it it just came up like this

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subject or what? Right.
So she told. Like it kind of got around the
family a little bit. Like my sister, I was around
like 10 years old, eleven years old when sick, when when the
Internet really started, like, you know, really started
becoming a thing. And so I kind of like I was
super nosy. So I would like when she wasn't

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around, I'm kind of like go on her computer and just kind of
like investigate a little bit. I was just so fucking nosy for
no reason. And I found her can name and so
I googled her on my phone and I saw like all of her content of
like she was like on Pornhub. She had like modeling pictures

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on Google. Like she was like doing, she was
like making it big for a while until as she got older, she kind
of just like significantly just kind of calmed down 'cause she's
like 45 now. So you know, as you get older, I
mean you don't have the same type of drive as you once you

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know. Right.
Yeah, she moved on. But I've seen her Hoo ha, I've
seen her Tatas, I've seen her videos, I've seen her toys
underneath her bed. So yeah, I've seen it.
So so did she inspire you to be a Cam girl?

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Yeah, yeah. I think if there's anybody who's
had a big influence, I wouldn't have known what it is if it
wasn't for her, you know? Right.
And so by seeing her do it like that, that's just like motivate.
You were like, I don't know, like you were like, yeah, I'm
going to do this. Yeah, Well, OK, so I always been

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into getting, you know, dressed up.
I've always been into like, makeup and hair and just like
looking good, feeling good. Like it just kind of felt
natural to me. And I've always been like super
sexual ever since I was young, just like, hence the three kids,
you know what I mean? Like I've just been super sexual

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and it's like really kinky for the longest.
And I was like, Oh my God, is this my calling?
And I just, yeah, shameful. It's.
In your. Yeah, it's in your DNA.
Literally. Yeah.
Nice. It's good.
I guess. I don't know.

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I mean, is it working like so? You're on Cam, Soda.
Yeah, I'm on. What's that face for?
No, because I I haven't heard many girls that are on Cam soda.
So I'm curious like how does? I mean, obviously it's working
for you. I love it.
Oh my God, I love it. So I've been in Cam Soda for the

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last year and it's just kind of been my only platform I stream
on. So I stream in Cam Soda, but
prior to that I was in Chaturbate for the longest time.
But then they really do they like, do they block me?
What's the word? They banned me.

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Why? OK, well, I'm being kind of
honest. So I was doing really well on
Chatterbait and that was like mybaby.
And but I did a private and it Idid a private and they monitor
you rather, you know, it or not.They, they monitor you through

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AI systems, like the words that are typed, like what's
vocalized, like it picks up on certain words.
And we were doing a type of, yeah, we're doing a type of
private. And they caught on to it.
And then they banded me. And so I had to find a different

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site and the messed up at all because that was like my at the
time was like my #1 stream of income.
So I had to like, hurry up and replace it.
And I went on canned soda. And I just haven't looked back.
So can you say what it was? That you were doing or.
Said. Is it too fucked up?

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Oh, it's. Fucked up isn't?
It God. This is why I fucking do this
shit for me. Yeah.
What is it? OK, so it was so for me when we
wrote play it and it's not real obviously like it's I would
never condone it. It's fantasy play, you know,

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like we're all a little weird. We all have like that little
like fantasy in our head, but weall do.
But it was like, you know, like forced, forced intercourse.
Oh, oh, you mean rape? I'm.
Supposed to say that out loud. Oh, oh, my bad.

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Oh, what do? What do people?
Oh yeah, what do like Youtubers call it.
Oh, I don't. Know.
Are they? I think they usually just say
like SA. Oh, it's SA.
Oh, like, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, I say forced, like forced and.
Yeah, yeah. Rape, right?

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I'm not that right. It's cool.
It's not cool. But you know, I'm just saying
like, you know, so. Funny.
Yeah, that's the word. Yeah, so.
So how'd that come about? Like someone what messaged you
on charity was like, hey, can I rape you?
OK. So it was a client of mine for

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the longest time. I like, yeah, it was a recurring
client and I really value my clients.
Like I love them to death and I cherish them And I, and I think
that's why I've kind of done so well or as good as I've done.
It's because I value my customers and our relationship
and I and I do my best to give them what they want.

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And so like there's the one things that I don't do is like
underage play, you know, like that's my boundary is like
underage play. Hope so.
Yeah, I don't do that. I don't do anything.
I don't do anything with animals.
But if it's just kind of, yeah, trust.
Me, you don't have to say that. You shouldn't have to even say
that. Like, you know, that should be a

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but yeah, there are fucking yeahthat.
All right, go ahead. I'm.
Sorry if I told you some of the things that I've seen and you'd
be disgusted. Yeah.
Yeah, I don't want I'm. So curious, but it's, you know.
It's gross, but yes, it's it's very gross.

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I'm looking a little traumatized, not going to lie,
but we. Oh.
Shit, I I don't want to digress from what you're saying, but
like. You don't know.
This stuff, yeah, I don't want to know.
We don't have to talk about, butlike the stuff that you're
talking about. Like did someone just be like,
hey, check this out or like you were just like on the Internet

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and seen it? I tell about the animals.
Yeah. OK, so I had a lot of that, so I
used to stream on Livejasmin. Oh yeah, OK.
Yeah, I tried that out for a bit.

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I didn't. It just wasn't for me.
But that's where I got a lot of like the animal like people that
played with animals. Like I never, I've never had it
on Chatterbait or Cam Soda. But like oddly enough on
livejasmin, I got a lot of that.And so a few times I've been on
like a video chat where we'll just like, we'll just be video

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chatting or whatever, and then all of a sudden they're like,
put it to the face. Or then they'll like turn it
over and they'll just be like a dog licking it.
Yeah, they'll have their yeah. I'm blown away that it's
livejasmin, that all this is happening.
I never thought of all the websites. livejasmin.

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Yeah, Wow, Wow. Yeah, yeah, I've only, it's only
happened to me on Livejasmin a few times.
That's nuts. Out of all the websites that
something like that could happen, I would never thought
Livejasmin. Yeah, it's crazy.
It's yeah, that's a crazy site. So the dudes, yeah.
Because like I do this, I alwaysfucking say I do this other

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thing. I would go on Omegle and like
talk to people and shit, but like, you know, guys would be,
you know, Omegle, right? Remember Omegle?
Yeah, guys would just be jerkingoff.
Be like, yeah, that is that whatit's like?
Like they just fucking, you know, you're talking to them.
All of a sudden they turn to thefucking animals and shit and

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they're like what the fuck? Oh, yeah, yeah.
Then I click off right away. I click yeah.
I'm like, it's just like such. It's so like disgusting to me
because they'll like put things on like their private areas.
So like the dog would lick it off and they're just like Jack.
It's so gross. Oh.
Shit is that even is that That sounds gay, but gay that there's

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anything wrong with it. I'm just saying that.
I I think that's illegal, yeah. Not just gay.
I'm pretty sure that's just illegal, yeah.
You can't get blowjobs from dogs.
Yeah, yeah, this is. Kind of yeah, fuck, I'm thinking

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about it and shit like how does that work?
And no, I don't want to think about it.
I feel so bad for you. That's fucking.
Yeah, yeah, I've seen some shit.Like I've seen some shit.
I've heard a lot of shit. And I feel like that's you just
gotta be kind of like numb to it.
And I feel like that's why I cantalk so openly about it, just

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because of the things that I've experienced.
Think, you know? Yeah, I mean, what'd you say?
I'm sorry. You said you're how old?
23I. Mean 23. 23 yeah, like you've
experienced life when you know, as a like a 45 year old or some
shit, you know what I mean? Like.

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Yeah, I pay in taxes. Yeah, I fucking pay taxes.
And yeah, every year I pay in taxes.
I feel I feel old sometimes. That's fucking crazy.
But you said you moved on, like,you know, you got traumatized on
livejasmin, so you were like, all right, I should probably try

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something else. So you went to Cam Soda?
Yeah. I just, you know, I'm very open
to trying new things and I just wanted to see if it was for me
and because that's a premium site and I just learned that I
do better in on token based sites.
So, yeah, so from I'm sorry, from livejasmin, like what

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happened? Like you had your Livejasmin
experience and then what? Did you try different sites or
just happen to hit Cam soda and just it just happened right
there? Yeah, so I did like Jasmine and
also doing Chaturbate at the same time.
So yeah, I was kind of just likegoing back and forth to see, you

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know, would I do better over here or would I do better on
this platform? So that was before I even joined
Cam Soda, but I was kind of alternating, really just going
back and forth. So you were doing it like
Chaturbate was good or? Yeah, it was good.
I just wanted to see if I could do even better somewhere else

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and I had to give it, you know what I mean?
Yeah. Definitely.
Yeah, like I was doing good and I just wanted to see like, OK,
well, like let's see if the grass is greener over here and
let's give it some time. And like I gave it like a good
month or two on my Jasmine. I just did not like it.
I don't know. They just, they take a big cut

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of your paint. It's like like 70%, like 70
percent, 6070. Percent what?
Yeah, it's not. What?
What are they doing? Because their name I guess, like
it's not Jasmine because it's, you know, I know it was like
everywhere like you. Everything was livejasmin and

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fucking pop ups and all. That, yeah, but. 70.
Percent, 70 fucking percent. And you have to like the more
that you make, the less that they take.
But you. So if you make like $500 that
day, you're only getting like 150 of it.
Holy shit, yeah, I said fuck that.
I said fuck that. That was my, you know, I rammed

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my pussy for like 2 hours. Not just to get like this much
of it like fuck that I got. Yeah, you can tell.
That's insane. I can't believe that 70%.
That's that's fucking nuts. Yeah, never again.
So I like I like Cam soda because they do unless my.

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Yeah, no, I'm sorry. Yeah.
Like if you can tell me, like what?
Like how is Cam Soda work? Is it similar to Chatterbait or
what do they do differently? Yeah, I love Cam Soda.
I love them so much. OK, Why?
Yeah. Why I got to know I haven't
heard about Cam soda. Oh really?

(25:44):
Oh my God, I love it over there.So it's it's a token based site
like Chatterbait and it has likekind of the same kind of setup,
but it's more modernized and everything's pretty clean cut.
You know, your Lush is still connected to the site, that's
still a thing, but it's just clean cut over there.

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What else is? What else is really good about?
It what do you mean by clean cut?
So when you go to the site, it just looks very modern like it
doesn't. Look out good.
OK, Yeah, yeah, there's. You know what I mean?
Like, yeah, there's quite a bit of outdated sites, like look
outdated. Yeah, like my free cams, for

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example, like to me it looks very just like old and
traditional and I'm just like, it's not my vibe.
So on Cam Soda I there's like a good traffic.
Just the traffic's so good over there.
They treat me really well. They get me shows every week

(26:50):
like featured shows on the site and they sent me a lush and they
sent me merch for joining on there.
I like it. Oh.
Shit. Yeah, it's nice.
Yeah, but why did they like, is that for everyone or or did they

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see some? They were like, oh shit, this
girl. Yeah, she's gonna.
Yeah, well, so there's this thing called the current Soda
Star, and you get it for making the most amount of money in the
first hour that you can, or you get it for just making a lot of
money in a short amount of time.And so when I first joined, I

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kept, I kept, you know, being canned Soda Star.
So the site started to recognizeme more and the admin reached
out to me was like, hey, do you want to be a featured model on
our site? And I'm like, yeah.
And then so they sent me merch and I've just been doing like,
they'll like promote me on the front page every week on the

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site for an hour. And so we just kind of created
that relationship. OK, so yeah, it's it's
everything you did and they justactually recognized what you
did. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Compared to Chaturbate where it's just kind of like, OK, like
you don't really get recognized,like you'll get put on the front
page because like you earned that spot.

(28:13):
But Cam Soda, they like recognize their models and they
also give you bonuses, like where they give you bonuses
every single week to top performers.
You get the three grand bonus, 2grand bonus, $100, and there's
just a whole bunch going on. Oh shit, that sounds nice.

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Who doesn't love a fucking bonus?
Yeah, it's great. Yeah.
So, so do you like, like how's it work?
Like are you like, is there? What do you call it?
Like what the fuck do you call it?
Ticket show. No, like like your genre or

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whatever you call it like. Oh, niche.
Yeah, niched. Yeah, fucking word.
Yeah, yeah. Your niche, like do you have a
niche? Is that I?
Do I do? So I'm a really big dirty
talker, Yeah, so. I didn't expect that, all right.

(29:15):
Oh, really? Yeah, I don't.
I don't know you well. You shouldn't know when I said
lactation, that should have beena giveaway, but I.
Don't know, man, I would have said like, you know, you know, I
just go with like fucking generic fucking vanilla shit,
like brunette, Mexican, you know, some shit like that dirty

(29:40):
talker. Yeah, So what I'm known for on
this site, like if you go to CamSoda and you see me on there,
this is what you expect. And this is for any models that
are watching. And this will help you find your
people a lot quicker and you will be a lot more successful in
whatever set that you're on. Is that like you've established

(30:03):
what you do? Like when people come to your
room, they know exactly what they're getting.
You give them a reason to come back.
You know, like you're not just all over the place.
You do this thing and they know that they're going to get it.
But I do. I'm a big dirty talker and I'm
like the biggest slut. Like that's like my niece.
It's like like just like the biggest like super submissive

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like this slutty dirty talking freak.
Like that's just like my role. That's what I'm known for.
Oh shit. Yeah, like when you come into my
room how I perform, like as soonas I press broadcast, I'm dirty
talking the entire time. Like that's how.

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So oh good, I'm glad you said that.
So like the second you hit broadcast, like you don't just
like sit there like good, right.So you hit broadcast, you're
fucking, you're going balls deep.
We're going balls deep. We are balls deep, my bitch.
And because, listen, I've learned the longer that you wait

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around, the longer the money's going to come.
But for me, I like to work in a short amount of time and exert
like, I like to exert more in a short amount of time.
So like I'll Cam like I simply came for like an hour and a half
and make my goal because I just like when I start, I'm, I'm

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rolling. I'm not just sitting in there
waiting around for somebody to tip me.
I Yeah. Yeah, you just an hour and a
half that doesn't For a live camera, that doesn't sound like
a long time. No, it seems like you would have
to like be there for a while if you want to hit your fucking

(31:54):
goal. No, see, I got ADHD.
I got ADHD. I can't, you know, like my mind
like constantly means to like go.
I need to be doing shit so. Right.
So Cam Soda, is it similar to chaturbating in the sense that
like like you just bust your Beaver out and you know, you got

(32:20):
the the freeloaders and you got people that tip.
Is it like that? Yeah, well, yes, because in free
chat you can do anything in freechat, you know, you have the
free well, but for me personally, I don't do like I'll
tease like I don't just like putthe I don't press start and it's
like have my pussy in the camera.

(32:42):
Like I will tease the fuck out of you until you tip for it.
And I'll like verbally encourageit through like my dirty talking
like, so it's like psychologically I'm putting the
idea in their mind without actually showing them, showing
them it. Holy shit.
So you're psychologically manipulating these fucking guys.

(33:03):
Yeah, it's nice. I love.
That yeah. Yeah, exactly.
You just got shit. Yeah, it's manipulation.
Yeah, yeah. And hey, there's nothing wrong
with that. They're fucking obviously
they're looking for, you know, they're looking for their shit.
Yeah, yeah. So do you see like as you're

(33:27):
doing that, do you like read thechat and like, you know, like
pick up on shit and be like, oh shit, I see that.
I'm going to fucking say this ordo this or anything like that.
Yeah, so like when I am so when I'm camping, like what I do,
like what helps me, I look at myself a lot.
Like I watch myself a lot and I watch myself a lot because it

(33:53):
because I'm showing like I can see how seductive I'm being.
Like I can like watch myself perform.
And then for the chat part, I talked to whoever, whoever tips
me. So like, because you're teaching
the chat how to treat you, like when you can, you teach them how

(34:13):
to treat you. And if you're just talking to
people that don't pay, they're going to think that they can
just sit there and talk to you for free all night long.
Like I'll say hi to you like onetime or two times, right?
Like they're like, hey, and theydon't tip me.
I'm like, hey, like, Are you ready to play with me?
I'm so fucking horny, you know what I mean?

(34:34):
And it kind of like gets it going.
And if they don't tip, then I won't talk to them again.
And if somebody else tips, I'll pay attention to them.
And then it teaches them like, oh, like I need to pay.
I've never heard that before. Like the way you put it, I've
never heard that before. And that makes total sense.

(34:56):
Yeah, yeah. Teach these motherfuckers.
Yeah, you teach them just like any and that's like anybody.
Like, you teach people how to treat you and it's like you have
you control the room and it's like you have to talk without
saying it. You have to communicate with the
chat without saying it. Yeah.

(35:18):
Yeah, wow, that's fucking well said.
Yeah, that's fucking crazy. Yeah.
So I just learned that over the four years of canning and.
Yeah, I was going to say like, how did you figure this out?
Did you just, you know, one day just be like, oh, shit.
Or it's just like an ongoing thing?

(35:39):
Yeah, but I like to emphasize, like even personally, I like to
emphasize like I continue to do things that work.
So like I like to emphasize, like I, I analyze a lot when I'm
working. Like I'm watching and I'm
picking up on things and I'll dothings that that work and I'll
just keep doing it. And so that's just kind of what

(36:03):
I've created over the years. I mean, maybe for slow people
like me, that is so tough to do because the other thing I do,
like I tried doing like I usually just like, you know,
just like just do what I do. Then I started like like that,
like trying to fucking analyze shit.
Like OK, how are they reacting? How can I fucking like play off

(36:26):
of that? And it just fucked my shit up.
You know, I can't, maybe I'm just slow and I can't like
think, you know, think in two different ways.
Like, is that tough to do? I mean, it seems to me it seems
tough to do like as you're fucking like.
I don't know, that just seems tough.
You honestly though, it's I think for me because I used to

(36:53):
how do I put this? Like I just gotten so used to
it. Like I've been, so I used to
camp for like 7 hours a day. Like I wasn't, I wasn't always
like an hour and a half stream or two hours.
Like I used to work literally from Monday through Sunday every
day like hardcore. And I guess like I just
hardcore. So I have, I have a lot of hours

(37:16):
behind me that I've like just kind of caught on to it and I've
just kind of like learned how todo it.
Like you have to put in the hours in the beginning.
Like it's not like that. Like it does take time to get to
this point. Again, it's taken me four years
to adjust and yeah, right. So, so as you're doing, yeah

(37:39):
'cause no, this is so interesting.
So like, you know, like when youstarted out, you're doing 7
hours a day, which is completelyinsane to me.
Like yeah, that's a long fuckingday.
Yeah, yeah. But as you're doing it, you're
fucking, you're analyzing and thinking about, OK, this is all
right, so this worked. So let me fucking, you know,

(38:01):
memory bank that shit or whatever you do.
And yeah, it's an art. Honestly, it's an art because
everybody has their own style. And how I look at it, it's like
your own world, you know, like as soon as they click on your
broadcast, like they don't know anything behind the screen, you

(38:21):
know, like they don't know you, They don't know what else is
beyond your room. They don't know who you are.
It's like you get to create thisworld like, and you choose how
you want to be perceived. And so I think that's kind of
helped me with camming. It's like control, I guess.
It's all about control really, you know.

(38:44):
Right, right, right. Yeah, you're in control.
Yes. That's so fucking like to,
that's so fucking crazy to me. So 7 hours a day, you're fucking
doing this shit. Because I think a lot of girls
like when they're fucking, like they just go on and fucking, you
know, try to do something that works and don't think about what

(39:06):
actually is working. Because when you're doing it
that long, that's a long fuckingtime.
Well, in the beginning, so I used to be, I used to just kind
of like sit there, right? Like I used to sit there and
like a sexy outfit and I would just kind of like just like sit
there, just kind of like touch myself a little bit and just

(39:26):
felt like fucking forever. And that's why to me it took me
so long because I didn't, I didn't, I didn't find my
confidence yet. Like I didn't find my confidence
on Cam. I didn't know my niece yet.
I just kind of felt like I didn't find myself yet.
So it took me a really long timeto figure out who I am on like

(39:49):
in the sex industry. And you know, I, again, I was
still super young. I didn't have a certain look to
me like I had some tattoos. I was like having babies, not
having babies. So it was just like a wild ride
to get to this point. But yeah, 7 hours.
I was fucking tired. Energy drinks have been like.

(40:12):
I fuck, I have been like my backbone.
Yeah, fuck, you can. Probably.
You can probably get a fucking sponsorship deal.
I Oh my God, I would love that. Right.
Yeah. Yeah.
Fuck man, 7 hours. But yeah, out there like doing
those 7 hours a day and shit. Like you weren't just like

(40:34):
fucking just doing your seven hours and fucking, you know,
like clocking in, clocking out. You were fucking like trying,
like during those seven hours. You were like trying to memorize
what works, what doesn't. Yeah, sorry, my cat's so loud,
but yeah, so like, in the beginning I didn't truly
understand. Like, I used to just like, talk

(40:55):
to people, Like, I thought like,oh, just like, just talk to
them. They said I would talk to people
for free for hours. Like, trust me.
Like, I don't know what the fuck.
Like obviously my mom like, toldme what to do.
But like, you still have to likefind yourself regardless.
So in the beginning I would really just talk to people like
kind of like Omegle, like just for hours without them tipping.

(41:17):
And I didn't know how to controlthe room.
I just figured like, oh, I'll just talk.
And eventually they'll they'll they'll tip.
But I was doing shit for free, like in hopes that they would
pay. It was a mess.
Yeah, that sounds like a lot like what the majority does.
Yeah, that was that was like therookie years fucking noob.

(41:40):
That's. Such a noob.
Fuck, yeah. Not me, but no, I mean, we all
start off somewhere and I'm not,you know, I'm very humble and
I'm grateful. But fuck, that was just, it just
hadn't been part of the journey for me.
It was just part of the journey.So yeah.
So how did you like, like, what was the transition?

(42:03):
Like, you know, like you're justtalking to everyone, you know,
all that bullshit. And then what shit just clicked
and you're like, OK, I got to talk to these certain people or,
or like, what was the transition?
So honestly, it took me to get fed up, you know, sometimes,
yeah, it took me to get my fucking belly full.

(42:24):
And I was like, what the fuck? You know, we're just like, I'm
working all these fucking hours and, you know, I'm still making
money, but I should be making somuch more money.
And I honestly just kind of got like fed up.
Like I started realizing that people were taking advantage of
me of like, oh, they're just talking to me.
Like they're not paying me. They're asking me to do things

(42:46):
for free. Like it took me a while to
understand that, oh, they're just taking advantage of me
because they know that I'm newer.
And I didn't realize it at first, but I just got fed up
when people started like asking shit for me for free.
And I was getting tired of it. So I got my belly full.
And then I started kind of like fighting my confidence and

(43:07):
finding my leg boundaries and camming.
So that's kind of what switched it for me.
And like, it wasn't like one thing.
It was just kind of gradually overtime.
And I was like, you know what? Like, no, like you're going to
pay for this shit. And yeah, I started valuing me
in my time more and that's what did it for me and I haven't

(43:29):
looked back since. So like what?
So like what did you do? Like you were like, all right,
all right. Now it's like, all right, you
know, you'll fucking entertain him a little.
Now you were just like hey fuck you, pay me.
So funny. OK, so actually, so let's see
here for a good example. That's so funny.

(43:52):
No, I guess like for me, I was kind of just like, hey, like,
you know, like show me like, youknow, show me your tits, Mama,
you know, like, you know, there's like, show me your tits,
Mama. And I used to be like, OK, you
know, like, did you like that? Yeah.
And like hopes that they wouldn't pay, but I just learned
like, you know what I like now? Like you pay me first.

(44:13):
So this is kind of how it started years ago.
I was like, no, like, like, showme your tits.
I was like, yeah, like, of course I would love to show you
my tits, you know, and like, youknow how to get it, you know,
like, look at my tip menu. So I started like encouraging
them, like saying like, yes, I would like, I would affirm their

(44:34):
answer, like agree with them andthen encourage them to pay like,
yeah, I'm going to show you my tips so bad.
I know you would love it. Like tip for it so I can do it.
And so I kind of just started implementing that type of like
reverse psychology type shit. And that was how I transitioned.
I just kind of like, you say yes, you say yes to them.

(44:58):
They're like, like, show me yourasshole, you know, like, show me
your asshole. But yeah, like I would love to
show you my ass and. Got to go to a tip menu.
I don't know. Yeah, yeah.
Like, yeah, I'd love to like look up, like play around with
me, you know, exactly how to do it.
So that's kind of how. So that's how I transitioned,

(45:18):
yeah. Oh shit, some Cam girls should
fucking be like, yeah, that, that's fucking brilliant.
Definitely brilliant. But some just got to be a Cam
girl that does it. Maybe.
But like, yeah, like using that fucking technique and just being
like, my pimp won't let me. You have to go to the tip menu.
I'm sorry. It won't let me show you my

(45:39):
asshole. I would love to, but you know,
Jamal makes me go to the tip menu.
I'm sorry. Oh my God, that's so funny, man,
that's. So fucking brilliant though.
Like that's. I love that, man.

(46:01):
Yeah. Like you got to think like you
just said, like you got to thinklike that.
You do, you do you got to just it's like you have it's like you
tell them without saying it straight up, you know, I mean,
unless you're like in like I know there's some Cam models
that are like kind of in the doming world where they're like

(46:22):
not without you fucking paying me like, but I'm submissive.
I'm very submissive. So I kind of had to learn how to
like, do what works for me and like my character.
Sure, yeah, if you're submissiveyou can't fucking do that.
But yeah, like my tip manual. Exactly.

(46:44):
Yeah. But I don't say tip menu now.
Like now it's kind of more so like they'll tip and they'll
like kind of dirty talk underneath the tip and I'll just
kind of like just kind of how doI even do it now?
It's like I think. Just a a change of words like

(47:08):
you don't say tip menu, it's no.No, I'm like, I like, I'll tell
them like I'm like, fuck, like Iwant you to fuck my ass.
I'd be like, that feels so good.I want you to fuck my ass.
And they feel like they'll tip for fuck, you know, like fuck
your ass type of deal. Like I'll be like, I want you to
do this to me. Like, oh, that feels so good.
Like, please fuck my ass. And like, like, OK, you know,

(47:33):
like you're like, yeah, I'll give you what you want, Yeah.
It's hilarious. Yeah, but it works, so yeah.
Oh. Man, maybe it'll come true
someday. Like where you know, 'cause like
they got AI and everything wherelike instead of just like typing

(47:57):
shit, like you know, people can like, you know, you could hear
their voice and shit. Oh.
Yeah, wouldn't that be fun? You'd be like, hey, can I fuck
your ass, baby, Right? Like, 'cause that actually that
might be tough, 'cause it's like, I don't know if you can.

(48:17):
Yeah, I like it. Now how?
Yeah. No, no, thank you.
No. Thank you.
Just keep typing. I'll just read it.
Yeah, Yeah, I'll read it. Yeah, that's me.
That's fucking and that's. Yeah, that's so fucking
interesting. But I have to ask.

(48:39):
I saw, I forget. I'm sorry because I I did my
research last week. But so 20 dudes ran a train on
you. Is that you?
They're like, yeah. I get that question.
So much. I hate fucking being generic and
shit. I saw that.

(49:00):
I was like, oh shit, I'm curious.
I got to ask. So it works.
So this is a good testimony intoit worked.
So I used to be with the Only Fans agency and not with them
anymore. But they taught me a lot about
marketing and they taught me a lot about, you know, getting
people's reactions and getting people curious and you know,

(49:23):
like just kind of you get peopletalking and so that I'm curious.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I know it makes people curious
and it makes you want to question or it makes you want to
comment, and then that makes youwant to like, Google you.
And so that was just kind of part of like a marketing tactic.
So yeah, that's not real. It never happened, but it was

(49:43):
just to get people to comment and to look me up and subscribe
to My Only Fans. Oh, good, good.
Because I that's just. Crazy, right?
That. Not only, not only crazy,
there's been, you know, like, you know, girls that got fucking
banged by like 100 guys and all that shit, their fucking lives

(50:05):
are fucking ruined. Like, you know, if you're you're
letting 20 dudes rail you, that's definitely you're not in
a good place. Yeah, no, I actually I stopped.
So I was just talking to this guy and me and him, me stopped
talking a couple days ago. I had to cut him off.
But when he discovered me on Instagram, you know, he was like

(50:25):
looking through my Instagram andhe like came across that video
of me saying that I got trained by Tony guys.
Like, and like the third dates that we went on, he was like,
can I ask you a question? I was like, yeah, sure.
What's that? He was like, did you really get
trained by Tony guys? Yeah, right.

(50:49):
Yeah. I was like, no, that's not true
and I don't want to keep relieved to me at all, but yeah.
Yeah. Why would anyone say that
marketing purposes? That's yeah, yes, but it's work.
But it works as people ask aboutit and they look you up and like
Eva E getting trained by 20 guys, you know, like people are

(51:11):
going to go looking for that. Yeah.
What's up with that? I want to know.
Literally nothing. Yeah, but literally there's
nothing. You won't find it, but you will
find my only fans, you know? Right, right.
Yeah. But you said you're not with
that agency anymore. It's a bad experience or.

(51:32):
Yeah, Oh my God. So actually I have a yeah, yes,
it was. Actually I have a YouTube
channel as well and I just posted a video on it but they
scammed me low key they scammed me.
So do you want me to get into itor just kind of make it short
and sweet? No, I want to hear about this.

(51:53):
How'd they scam you? OK OK OK so like I'll make it
like a super long but I'll make it kind of short but to the
point. So I met this girl.
I won't say any names for just reasons, but I'm with this girl.
She inboxed me on Instagram and she watched my YouTube videos
and she's like, hey, like she was asking questions about
camming and she did only fans. And so I started asking her

(52:16):
questions about only fans. She's like, yeah, I'm with this
agency and they helped me with everything and they promote me
and they do all these things. I just love them so much.
And I was like, Oh my God, like I'm new to only fans.
I could really use the help. You're doing really good as
they, you know, as it seems like.
Can you ask your manager if they're accepting new models?

(52:38):
And so so her manager reached out to me a couple days later
was like, hey, like I was like, you know, I heard from so and so
that you want to join. Let's have a video.
Let's have a video call. And to mind you, they're based
out of the UK. But it was like, but she but she
was like super legit. She was like really nice.

(52:59):
And I've known her for like a little while over the Internet.
But yeah, so they're based on the UK, so not even in the
United States. OK, that should have been kind
of cloaky, the first one flag. But we video chat.
So we video chatted. He's even super legit, like a
really nice guy. He had like a really nice
office. He had like a high following on

(53:20):
Instagram. Like, like he seemed like he,
you know, like he got it right. And so we were talking, he was
saying how he would promote me, how they would market me, how
they'll just kind of means everything.
Like basically I just got to do what they tell me to do.
Like whatever content that they request, that's all I got to

(53:41):
make. And they'll do like the only
things chatting for me and they'll post me.
Like all I got to do was just bethe image to just do what
content they tell me to do. Like that's it.
I was like, fuck yeah. Like sign me the fuck up.
Like, you know, like send me thecontract.
So they took 50% of my only fansearnings 50% just to kind of

(54:05):
like emphasize on that. So it was 50% whatever I make,
they get the other half. And so I signed the contract.
I was like, OK, cool. Like you guys are going to make
me a lot of money. Like the return of 50% is going
to be more than it's going to bemore than what I've been making
now because I was barely making anything.

(54:25):
I just started out, doesn't knowhow to do anything.
And so Long story short, they started like saying that they
were going to do things for me and they never did it.
Like they kept pacifying me. I but hey, like when are you
guys going to market me like, Ohyeah, like just got a we're just

(54:46):
waiting for a video to go viral on your main Instagram and then
we'll make other accounts for you.
So they kept pacifying me and they just weren't doing what
they're supposed to be doing. They were only chatting on the
only fans and even the chatters on there.
They didn't like post on my feedfor like 2 weeks and they were

(55:07):
like harassing my, my fans over and over again.
They were, yeah. They kept sending out like,
yeah. And they kept resending the same
content over and over again. And people kept paying for it.
They're like, I already paid forthis.
Like, so they kept setting out like old content, still charging
people for it. And people just like, I lost a

(55:30):
lot of fans because of it because they're like, what the
fuck? Like I just paid $50.00 and
you're sending me the same shit that I just paid for last week.
And they're. Yeah, so it was just kind of
like low key a shit show. And they said that they made me
Tik Toks. And one day I asked them, I was

(55:50):
like, can you send me the usernames of like the Tik Toks
that you made for me and Instagram accounts?
And one of my managers was like,oh, we actually had to delete
them because they weren't getting any views.
And like, that did it for me. I was like OK, so you deleted
all my tik toks that you guys made me, all my Instagram

(56:12):
profiles that you made me because they weren't getting any
views. So now there's nothing for you
to show me. Why do you have to delete all of
that? Doesn't make any sense.
No, they were just dicking me around.
Really. Yeah, go fucked up it.

(56:33):
Kind of sounds like because I, Isee a lot of fucking, I see a
lot of that shit about, you know, a lot of fucking guys
especially like, hey, I'm a fucking, you know, I got a only
fans agency or whatever and I'llpromote your shit and all that
bullshit. Yeah, I've only heard of a few

(56:57):
that are like legit. Yeah, yeah.
Like, I don't even know how you can find the legit ones and even
the legit ones. Like do you even need them?
I mean, I guess if you're at a certain point maybe, but then
how do you find those legit ones?
It's a whole fucking thing. Yeah, I think instead of an

(57:19):
agency, I think it's more so like you find certain positions,
like you hide, like you hire people for like marketing and
then you hire like a content manager, then you hire a
chatter. Like you don't go through an
agency. Like you just kind of hire
people for certain spots and theonly fans, you know what I mean?
Like instead of going through agency, you pick and choose for

(57:42):
who for what, Yeah. Especially 50% of your fucking
income. Yeah, that shit was a lot, yeah.
Shit, I mean, I guess it all depends like if I, you know, if
alls I got to do is, you know, as an agency, like respond to
your fucking fans and all that, like you know, you have fucking

(58:03):
especially with AI now you can fucking you can automate a lot
of that shit. I don't know, I fucking, that's
not my fucking thing, but. Yeah, yeah, it's crazy out here,
but you can't do it yourself. I've been doing it myself for
the last month and I've still been making, you know, good
money. You just have to balance out
your time. You have to just put in the work

(58:23):
into it. But you do get more of the chunk
of the money back like you do, and it's worth it, honestly.
But yeah. You put a lot of time, though.
I mean, yeah, like, like we saidin the beginning, like, you
know, you have a family, you have all this and, you know,
making videos, promoting fuckingmarketing and responding to fans

(58:48):
and all that. It's fucking lot of time.
Making content, TikTok lives, posting on Instagram, posting on
TikTok, like I am like posting on Snapchat.
Like it's just, you know, I, I do find myself a lot of times
though, like, kind of like pulling back away from social

(59:08):
media. Like I'll kind of like exert
myself for like a couple weeks and like, I'll pull back and
like go in and out just because it is very like, it's a whole
different world. Like being caught up in that
industry and I have to come backto like my authentic self and
like reconnect and like retouch with like reality.

(59:28):
And yeah, it can get pretty consuming.
Yeah. How tough is that?
It can be balancing everything. Yeah.
Yeah, exactly. It can get sometimes it gets
very overwhelming to where I kind of like shut down from,

(59:49):
from the world. Like I won't respond to people,
I won't post. They all get so overwhelmed that
I'll kind of just like I'll shutdown and then I like I have to
build myself back up to like, like that's what I was talking
about self-care and self love. It's like.
You know, you're constantly using like your, you know, your
vagina like your asshole, like you're constantly just like

(01:00:11):
exploiting yourself that sometimes it's just like I'm
still a human, I'm still a woman.
I still want to like protect my peace 'cause you're, I'm
constantly talking to people, I'm stroking their egos, I'm
getting them hard. I am looking good for them and

(01:00:31):
it's just like I'm giving a lot of myself away that I need to
like, bring it back to myself. So yeah.
Fuck yeah, I never thought aboutit like that.
Yeah, but it's, I guess for me, you kind of find the love for
the game, you know, you find thelove.

(01:00:53):
I love to hustle. It's just like in my nature, I
love the hustle and the reward and like, how much can I make
today? And, and just, yeah, I'm just a
hustler at heart, so. It's the adrenaline rush, right?
Yeah. Yeah, it is.
Oh yeah, Yeah. Yeah.

(01:01:13):
Are you the same way? Yeah, yeah, definitely.
Yeah. Definitely you can't you No, no,
I don't Cam. I have this other thing I do
called per repeat. So I bet like it's, it's not
fucking healthy or anything, butI bounce back and forth from
this to per repeat and shit. And I fucking like, you know,

(01:01:36):
like when like right now I'm totally into this because I'm so
curious about all of it and likethe whole fucking industry is so
crazy. I'm so into it.
But then I'll start to like, youknow, I'll lose that fucking,
you know, that adrenaline rush from it.
So I'll bounce back to that per repeat shit and that'll give me

(01:01:57):
an adrenaline rush. You know, they'll fucking, you
know, with the fans and fucking,you know, doing it, you know?
What is it? What is pervert?
What is that? It's it's a character because
right after this, right after wedo this, I'm going live as
Perver P It's a whole thing. Where?

(01:02:20):
You could just look at Google Perver P So Oh, it's a
character. I do I I wear a ski mask, the
suspense. That's why, and I'm so fucking
retarded because like I was like, all right, all right, I'm
going to because I hate fucking like getting all dressed as I'm
sure you do. Maybe I don't know, but like
because I get dressed up in thisfucking you know, like uniform

(01:02:42):
or whatever. Put a tie ski mask suspenders.
You know, it's a whole thing. I got to get into character, you
know, So I go on like member Omegle.
Yeah, Yeah. So now they have, well, Omegle's
dead, but now they have OMI TV. It's kind of the same thing.
So I go on those sites and I talk to people, you know, as

(01:03:05):
this character pervert P, you know, and pervert Pizza.
You know, he's misunderstood, you know, he's a pervert P
because his mom named him that. And it's a whole thing.
But I started. God, it's fucking that say, but
I started doing it 10 years ago and yeah, yeah, I started doing

(01:03:28):
it 10 years ago. It blew up.
I, I got over 100,000 subscribers on YouTube, which is
the play button that I got a fucking display.
But then my channel got terminated six years ago,
terminated off the face of the earth.
That was it. I, you know, hardcore
depressions, fucking, you know, my income flat.

(01:03:50):
It was such a, it was horrible. But a couple months ago I found
my old e-mail and with the per repeat and it said, you know,
per repeat suspended. So I was like, ah, let's get
nostalgic. Let's click on it and, and it
came to a page of would you liketo appeal?
I was like, it's been 6 years, OK I'll appeal this.

(01:04:13):
Yeah, fuck it. Yeah, so I typed in what I
wanted to say and I put that into ChatGPT, you know, because
I'm, you know, I'm a fucking moron.
I I can't fucking speak right. And ChatGPT, you know, made it
look good. And I was like, I'll send it,
you know, didn't think nothing of it. 24 hours later, YouTube
said we have reinstated your channel, a channel that's been

(01:04:38):
dead for six years. I was like, what the fuck?
This makes no sense. So I went to it and everything.
That was six years ago. Was back up, no.
Way. So yeah, which is mind blowing
for like every you because there's Youtubers that have
millions and millions of subscribers that got, you know,
terminated and they're just like, ah, that's it, it's over.

(01:05:01):
So their content is still somewhere, you know, on a server
somewhere. Yeah, yeah, just.
Just that part is still fucking mind blowing to me.
Yeah, You would think it'd be like, wiped out, like, OK, like
you're terminated, Like everything's wiped off.
Like it's wiped off, but everything is still there.
Like the video. Yeah.

(01:05:22):
Six years ago, like everything from six years ago was, it was
like, you know, it was back to whatever that is, 2019 or 2020,
whatever it is. Well, it's just been holding on
to it for six years. Like it's that's great.
The Internet's a wild place. It really is.
I, I can't even believe that. And you think about like

(01:05:42):
YouTube, all the fucking contentthey have every single day.
It's like, I don't know what thenumbers are, but like you.
Know, yeah. 300 hours of contentevery minute or whatever and
they're still holding on to shitthat's been terminated.
Yeah, that's wild. That's really crazy.
So like do you still get paid from there then is, is the, the

(01:06:03):
monetization still a thing for you or do you have to like redo
that? Yeah, so, so you know, for you
it's yeah, it's kind of weird because you're supposed to have,
you know, 4000 hours of, you know, watch time for the year.
So I didn't even think about monetizing my shit again

(01:06:26):
because, you know, it just came back.
But then just a few weeks ago I clicked on the monetization
thing. I was like, oh shit, how many
hours do I got now? So I've been up for a month and
it said you can monetize. Oh shit.
All right, I'll fucking monetize.
Nice. I don't know why I'm kind of
worried because that doesn't make any sense how YouTube

(01:06:48):
works. But so far, you know, but then I
fucking I just like I've left that alone because I haven't
been really into doing the Pete thing.
I've been more focusing on this because it's a lot more fun to
me right now. Yeah, yeah.
But yeah, that's my problem. I I don't, I focus on one thing.

(01:07:10):
Like I'm bipolar. So like, I'm totally focused on
this. Yeah.
You know, but then I might lose interest, so I totally focus on
the Peach thing. Fucking shit.
I don't. Yeah, I'm the same way.
Like I have so many interests where it's just like, how the

(01:07:31):
fuck like for you? Like it's easier for you to
focus on one thing at a time, but like your heart like wants
to do this and then it wants to do that like so bad.
And it's just like you have to like you can't do both at the
same time. It's like either this or like
nothing at all. Yeah, exactly.
I love both. Yes.

(01:07:51):
But it's one thing or the other,yeah.
Which means I can't fucking. I can't.
I can't build each one. Yes, and it's so hard because
like you want to be here with that, but like you're also like,
you can't just like neglect thisbecause then they'll just yeah,
yes. Is it?
What the fuck do you do, you know?

(01:08:12):
That's what I ask myself every day.
I'm like, what do I do? I don't know what to do like.
Yeah. Because you know, I'm going to
get because I know I'm going to,because like I'm so hyper
focused on doing this and building it up and you know,
because a lot of people like, they like it, you know?

(01:08:33):
Which is. Cool, but you know, I know I'm
going to fucking because I I feel it, because I'm start like
tonight, like I right after this, I'm I'm going to do the
fucking go live. Like no, I didn't promote it.
I haven't done per repeat in I don't know how long, but I'm
just going to go live. Why nobody made you know, like

(01:08:54):
maybe people will get notifications, but they don't
know I'm going live, you know, so what's the point?
There really is no point. It's not I haven't been
promoting it. I haven't been doing it.
That's what you want to do? Yeah.
Yeah, like I. Don't give a shit, I just want
to do it. Yeah, you kind of get to a point
where it's like despite I get paid or not right now, it's like

(01:09:17):
I want to do it because like I enjoy it and it brings me
happiness and it's just like it just breaks.
It makes me happy and cuz I don't want to fucking do it,
damn it. You know what I mean?
Yeah. Yeah, which is, yeah, I'm in
such a bad place too, because ofit, because like, I was just
talking to someone like, what doyou want?

(01:09:37):
Because I keep getting sponsorship offers for, you
know, the the podcast and everything.
And one, I'm not good at that shit.
Like when I was doing Pete and shit, I got sponsorship offers
and it was kind of like just thrown in my lap and I was like,
OK, sounds good, I'll do it. You know, like, but like to
actually like, you know, negotiate something or, you

(01:09:59):
know, something that's actually,you know, good.
You know, it's like anything. I was just like, all right,
let's just do it. I don't.
Care. Well, honestly, I think for you,
I feel like more there's everyday there's more Cam models
that join in only fan models andme personally, I don't think
it's fucking going anywhere anytime soon.

(01:10:20):
Like I don't really AI, I don't think it's going to override
like there's not AAI only fan models, but Cam models.
I feel like that industry will never die out because meant like
people love that human connection on Cam and they
constantly go looking for it on like I feel like Cam models will
always be around for a very longtime because AI doesn't give you

(01:10:44):
that human connection and doesn't give you that customized
experience. And I feel like if you continue
doing like this podcast, you canmake it really big.
Like there's a podcaster. Her name is Holly Randall.
Have you heard of her? I.
Don't think so. She has a podcast, but it's only

(01:11:05):
with porn stars and she has grown like throughout the years
from like 10,000 Subs to like 300,000 Subs in just like a
couple years. And it's just porn stars
interview, you know, interviewing porn stars.
And I feel like if you keep going with this, I think you can

(01:11:25):
make it really, really big in myopinion.
Oh, well, thank you. Yeah, like, well, yeah, that's
the thing. Because like this is more
focused on like like helping Camgirls.
Yeah. Which is cool, like, you know,
like, because like I didn't started out to do that.
I was just interested in like the crazy stories and like how
crazy the industry is, you know,and I didn't really think about

(01:11:48):
like what who's the like, what'sthe audience, you know, all that
shit. But the audience became like Cam
girls that like, want to hear the stories and like, you know,
their advice and all that good stuff.
Yeah. Yeah, I mean, that's cool, man.
You know, like, yeah, I mean if people because I love learning,
you know? Yeah.
People want to learn and shit, that's fucking great.

(01:12:10):
Yeah, well, I watched your shit like year a year ago and I'm
like, I want to hear other people's stories.
And I started watching your channel.
That's how I found out about youguys.
And you had another girl that did the interviews for a while.
Yeah, yeah, that's, yeah, that'sa whole thing.
Oh my. God.

(01:12:32):
Well, because I wanted to, because my plan was because I
don't like doing the interview. I love, I love doing the
interviews. I don't think I'm good at it.
Like I like my I'm good at doingPete, you know, I'm do I'm good
at doing the fucking character and that shit because I you

(01:12:53):
know, I know I'm quick and fucking that shit, but like
doing interviews I'm not good atI fucking because especially I
don't know the industry. I don't know like how it works.
And that's why I'm always askinglike, what the fuck is Cam soda?
I've never heard of that. And like, tell me about it, you
know, so a lot of shit I'm repeating and you know, I don't
think it's beneficial for the audience.

(01:13:15):
You know I. Like you've done a great, I
think you're great. Oh, well, thank you, thank you.
But I, I think like, I don't know, I think it would more be
more beneficial if someone that you know, knew the industry was
taught like, you know, someone, like if it was someone else
interviewing you, you know, I mean, like they would ask you
more, maybe more focused questions or like know what

(01:13:39):
you're talking about and be ableto go off of that.
You know what I mean? So I think I'd be better at just
like producing it, you know, doing the editing, you know,
getting it out there and all that good stuff.
Yeah, I get that. Yeah, so that's why, you know,
the the one person that was doing it, she was she was.

(01:13:59):
So, you know, she was she was good.
She was doing what she wanted because I was like, all right,
I'll fucking. I'll get the people to, you know
you're. So beating around the Bush right
now, I'm like. I don't want to say like I don't
want to talk bad, but like, I don't know, because she wanted.
Just say it OK? I talked about fucking lactation

(01:14:22):
and dogs licking penises. You can do it.
All right, this fucking cunt wasa psycho.
Was she? That's what you want to say.
Yeah, if I, because I saved the fucking her, her, her DMS,
they're fucking nuts because like she wanted to do like I was
like all right, I'll you know, I'll get the people, I'll

(01:14:46):
schedule the interviews and everything and all you have to
do is host. That's all you got to do.
She was like, no, I'll get the people, I'll fucking schedule a
shit. I was like alright, cool, no
problem. And so I let her go and she
couldn't handle it. She did like 6 interviews where
she either didn't hit record or her, you know, her mic was

(01:15:10):
fucked up and it was just fuckedup.
And I was like, yeah, no big deal.
You know, shit happens. I've, you know, fucked up many
times. But I think she got frustrated
with herself and just like she was like you fucking asshole,
like you didn't, you're not helping me.
I was like, what do you want me to do?
You don't, you're not letting medo anything.
I don't know what to do. But fuck, I'm glad to help.

(01:15:31):
I'll be, you know, like because like doing it on here, I could
be like behind the fucking scenes.
Like I can take myself out and like you and her could be up and
I'll just make sure everything runs smoothly.
She didn't want to do any of that either.
I was like, well, what do you want me to do?
But she also didn't want you to help either.

(01:15:56):
Exactly. I was.
It was like talking to my son. What do you want me to do?
I don't know what to do. I just want to help.
It was nuts. Fuck, I can't even imagine.
Like you're just like put in a corner and it's like, well,
like, what the fuck? Yeah, I, I.
Yeah, and that just, like, turned me off of this whole

(01:16:17):
thing. And I just said I was like, fuck
it, I'm not, you know, I'll just, you know, do the pee
thing, you know, that like, because this is just such a
hassle, it's going to happen again probably.
And you know, but then I just happen to fucking get back into
it and I'm like, yeah, let's fucking do this.
Yeah, do it your way, do it how you want to do it.

(01:16:40):
And you know, shit's getting done how you want it to get done
in the meantime. Yeah, I mean, I'm not good at
interviewing, but I like doing it because it's fun.
Like I like, you know, like you're fun.
Yeah, you know this is fun. Yeah, you get to meet new people
and you get like a good, like a cool insight of like what it's

(01:17:02):
like to be on the other side. Exactly, exactly.
And you know, probably people are going to learn from you.
I definitely go. People are definitely going to
learn from you because like thatfucking, you know, like how to,
you know, talk to these guys? That whole thing that is so
fucking insightful. Oh yeah, well so I have a

(01:17:23):
YouTube channel too so it's called That Cam Girl and I give
tips and advice to Cam models aswell so.
Oh yeah, your link's going to bein the description.
We're fucking hooking that shit up because I, I've checked your
shit up. I watched your shit a while ago
too, because I wanted to have you on.
But then I, you know, I got awayfrom it.
I was like ah fuck this. Yeah, yeah.

(01:17:46):
Fuck this shit. Yeah.
Yeah. Well, thank you for having me on
this time. Around.
I'm glad you were here. This was great man.
Yeah. Do you have any more questions
for me or do you feel like you kind of like, you know, asked
all that you wanted to ask, I mean.
Yeah, well, now that you put me on the spot, I'm fucking now.

(01:18:07):
I just froze. So yeah, like, yeah, I'm fucking
done now. Like you.
You just made me freeze up. See, This is why I suck at this.
I can't fucking, you know, like I had a fucking yeah, I had, you
know, I did my fucking research.I have, you know, all these, all
these fucking bullet points and yeah, no, now I'm fucking yeah.

(01:18:29):
You froze. Me.
Well, do you, Can I ask you somequestions before we end and
maybe? Shit, I expect this all right, I
guess. The tables.
Are what the fuck? Somehow I'm interviewing you.
That's not how it's supposed to go.
What the fuck? All right, all right.

(01:18:53):
Psychology. See.
Oh, you're so manipulative. You're good at this.
Nice. I like it, but I don't like it.
See, I want to put the ski mask on and tie and shit because then
I can fucking. Then I can handle it, you know?
Then it's like, yeah, we're fucking, you know, we're in this
shit. Yeah, it's just me.

(01:19:14):
God, you're so funny. Make.
Me nervous. All right, go ahead.
Just do it. Do you OK, Do you watch Cam
models or have you ever watched Cam models?
Like what got you until asking Cam models did did you watch

(01:19:36):
them one day and you're like, like, how did you come about to
the side of the world? Well, I guess it originally
started, do you remember what got me thinking about like doing
Cam Girl Diaries was back in? Well, yeah, you don't remember.
You're probably like in elementary school, but back in

(01:19:58):
the early 2000s there was these girls called the Lightspeed
Girls. Yeah, I've never heard of them.
So I think they're probably not the original Cam girls or
whatever, but they did like a softcore.
They were the Lightspeed girls and they worked for the
Lightspeed Agency and they were softcore.

(01:20:20):
You know, I guess they did softcore porn and it turns out
like their lives are fucking destroyed, all of them.
Like, yeah, there was a bunch ofthem.
There was, I forget their names,but one that always stuck out.
Her name was Jordan Capri. And she was, I think she was
like the main one or whatever, but like, but like her life is

(01:20:44):
fucking destroyed. And that fucking fascinated me
like holy shit. Like, cuz like at that time in
the early 2000s, like she was like the biggest one or
whatever. And like it basically destroyed
her life. And the, the, I forget the guy's
name, Steve Lightspeed, I think his name is.
And he owns her fucking name Jordan Capri.

(01:21:06):
So she can like she could never,like her life was destroyed, but
she could never like, you know, like use that name.
So even if she went, yeah, it's so fucked up.
Like my point is like, it was sofucked up.
Like the story to me was so fucked up.
And that that's what got me interested.
Like, holy shit. Like it's, you know, it's not

(01:21:27):
just like, you know, showing your tits and everything, like
it could destroy your life, you know?
It's like low key, like your digital footprint.
It's out there. Like if you Google me, if you
Google probably, you know, Ava'smy stage name.
It's not my actual name, but I'mpretty sure if you typed in like

(01:21:48):
my government first and last name, you'll probably see Ava
Eve and somewhere in there. But if you Google Ava Eve right
now, like I'm fucking everywhere.
My, my videos, my photos, my lives, which is good for
traffic. It's good.
Yeah, yeah, it's good. But I at this point actually, I

(01:22:12):
think about like this. I'm like, there's fucking like
Mia Khalifa. There's porn stars out there
that like the whole world testing their ass and tits.
Like, what is my ass and tits going to fucking make a
difference? You know what is like me finger
fucking my asshole going to makea difference, you know, but you
know what I mean? Like something to that extent.
I mean like there's Pornhub, youlike there's people have seen

(01:22:35):
millions of all of this, like what's I don't give a fuck.
Like who's going to look like ifyou're looking me up, that's on
you. Like you choose to look, you
choose to click, you choose to type it.
You can just like look away. You don't have to look it up.

(01:22:55):
So that's how I look at it. Well, yeah, but I don't know,
the whole fucking, the whole thing is just crazy to me.
But that's a yeah. So that's how it fucking like
that's what kind of got shit going.
And then so me and my wife were checking out Chatterbait and we,

(01:23:17):
we were just like looking for like the weird shit.
And we came across like a lot ofweird shit.
And that really fucking just ramped me up to, all right, I
got to fucking, I got to start asking people about this shit.
I want to know like, how weird is this shit, you know?

(01:23:38):
And that's it. Yeah, 'cause like, I just wanted
to know, like, that's how it, you know, like the very first
episode. I just wanted to know, like the
crazy shit, like the weird stories, the fucking, you know,
the perverts and just the funny stories and, you know, like the
crazy shit that people are into.And then it just evolved from

(01:23:59):
there, but it evolved more into,you know, like the audience
wanting to know, you know, tips and advice and all that stuff.
Yeah, yeah. That's really crazy.
Well, yeah, that's crazy how it kind of just like went from like
you wanting to know like crazy shit to now just like people

(01:24:19):
wanting advice and how that kindof like evolved for you.
Yeah. Yeah, and I'm not into the tips
or. And like, I'm glad that, you
know, people want to know shit. Yeah, you know what I mean?
Like, yeah, that's fucking that's, you know, it's helpful.
I love learning shit, you know? Give me the weird shit.

(01:24:41):
Give me the crazy. Story, that's more what I'm
into, you know, just out curiosity.
My curiosity is fucking, you know, it's just like, yeah, I'm
just curious, you know? Well, do you want any like crazy
stories from me or do you feel like we touched down like we
touched on crazy stories? I.

(01:25:01):
Mean yeah, all your crazy stories why not it's a cool.
Whatever you want for the video,whatever.
I mean, if you feel like you goteverything that you needed from
me, then cool. I mean, but if you want more.
No, I don't think you know what?No, because, yeah, I don't think
you need to give crazy stories because like, you're fucking

(01:25:22):
advice because like, you know, again, the audience, like what
they're looking for is that fucking, you know, those tips
and advice and everything. And I think you fucking, you
gave some really good shit, you know?
Good. Yeah, Yeah.
We don't need no crazy shit fromyou, although I am curious.
OK, Maybe we could touch on thaton another episode.
Oh. My God.

(01:25:45):
Well, if you ever want me back, you know how to get in touch
with me. And yeah, I really enjoyed my
time. This is.
Oh good, good. I'm glad you enjoyed it.
I did. It was a lot of fun.
Yeah, yeah. I feel so grateful because
again, I used to watch you like a year ago.
So this was when he reached out to me.
I was like, oh, fuck yeah, You know, like I made it, you know?

(01:26:07):
Oh. Shit that I made it.
Oh shit, you sure you haven't watched Perver P?
Because that's one of his catch phrases.
Oh, what? Fuck yeah, that's why that's
yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh fuck yeah.
Like that's why one of the things he said.
I'm sorry. Oh really?
No, I just say all the time. Hey, that's what I would say.
That's why it's one of his catchphrases.

(01:26:29):
Oh well, me and Perfect Feet have a lot of yeah.
I don't know if that's good or not, but.
I don't know, it's a good thing that is so funny, but I'm going
to go. Actually, I'm going to go Cam
before it gets. Hey, me too, except not in the
same realm. I'm not going to show my tits,
but you know. Yeah, just just your just your

(01:26:52):
just your personality. Yeah, tits are better, but all
right, Well, all right, all right, well, thank you so much
for doing this. This was great.
Had a good time and everyone check out your fucking.
We'll definitely check out your YouTube.
I got to go back to your YouTubebecause I watched it a while ago

(01:27:12):
and fucking Oh yeah, links are in description.
Got your Instagram and of coursewell you got link tree or some
shit. I don't have link tree honestly
I'm just on I have TikTok, Instagram, YouTube and only fans
those like many for me good. So everyone could find your
YouTube and description, Instagram and description and go

(01:27:35):
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