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May 4, 2023 61 mins

Karl Vaters interviews Michael Clary about the dangers of what he calls Elitist Christianity.

This conversation was inspired by a Twitter thread Michael wrote in which he confessed to an arrogant attitude he had developed as a young, successful church planter. Michael found himself looking down on pastors and Christians who hadn’t had his training, even though they were the people whose shoulders he was standing on.

His vulnerability, confession, and repentance hold great lessons for all of us.

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