November 13, 2025 • 62 mins
Aging does not have to mean dimming the lights on your life, it can mean learning how to use the plant with intention so you stay sharp, mobile, and more you. Dr. Dana Lillestol joins us to translate stigma and science into simple steps families can actually use, from assisted living realities to one tiny experiment you can run this week.
The honest state of senior wellness, why caregivers’ attitudes make or break outcomes, and how families can advocate without the drama.
How to introduce cannabis in elder communities where federal rules still block staff from administering it, plus practical workarounds that respect policy and dignity.
CBG as a non-intoxicating entry point for anxiety, pain, eye pressure, and gut issues, including a real success story from Dana’s community talks.
Why joy matters, yes even bingo, bubbles, and art stations at elder-focused cannabis education events, because learning should feel good.
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(00:02):
I'm Brandon. And I'm Jesse we're.
Cannabis school having cannabis infuse conversations.
With everyday. People.
Cannabis companies. Celebrities.
And your mom? Welcome to the sesh.
Every family has that one conversation that we dodge.
How do we keep you comfortable, clear headed and still you?
(00:24):
Our guest lives in that conversation daily, translating
science and stigma into simple steps for seniors.
Dr. Dana, welcome to Cannabis School.
Thank you so much. It's wonderful to be here.
Yeah, so I mean, it was really interesting when we first got
your e-mail, it was like, oh, she works with Elders and I'm
(00:44):
like, oh shit, that's me. She's got a program specifically
designed for Brandon Elder. It's not you, it's me.
Well, my last name is Elder so. Oh, yeah.
OK, all right. But you're too young for that.
What are you in your 30s? Thirty.
Eight. Yeah, so I'm in my late 60s, but
that's fantastic. Oh, totally.
(01:05):
Wouldn't have guessed. I I'm a holistic doc, I have
good energy and I'm out there populating it with butterfly
energy for other elders that come online.
That's that's awesome. So before the diplomas, before
the white coats, what kind of kid were you?
Athletic, energetic, enthusiastic and all over the
(01:27):
place. I have a neuro divergent brain
so I have ADHD so I was like allover.
Yeah, I support. That.
There was. I went on a trip with Jesse's
wife when I was 9. We share grandparents and wow
they took us to the East Coast for a couple weeks and me I won
(01:51):
this award on this trip. It was basically everyone my
grandparents age and then me, mybrother and my 2 cousins who are
all 9 to 12 years old and everyone else was probably 65
and older. And so we I won the award of
like the Energizer Bunny who just keeps going and going and
(02:14):
going because nonstop crazy energy of yeah.
Yes, that was me as a child. That's exciting.
So take me to the exact moment from then when you started
working with seniors. Well, I started my profession as
a nursing assistant in a, in a nursing home and it was nursing
home, but also memory care. And I just love the elders.
(02:35):
I I couldn't have enough of them.
When did you do that? In the early 80s.
OK. So early on in your career, is
that pretty? Yes, and you know, I look at
them as champions. They've gone before us, they've
trudged the road. They're at a different place and
space than we will be when we get to their age, especially
(02:57):
you, because AI is going to be like amazing.
But the scoop is is they don't. They were taught different.
They were taught never to question authority.
They were taught to not to research.
And so they implicitly believed everything they were given.
So when I start to talk, I startwith the research and how we've
been lied to and it was economicinterest that took this divine
(03:22):
plant away from us for our health and our Wellness.
Is that a pretty easy conversation most of the time?
It's it's, it depends on the person.
So actually from a very religious background.
So if they're still entrenched in the religious background, it
can be difficult for them to embrace this plant.
(03:42):
But if we go back into biblical times, there is mention of it
with a different word. And so it's been used since
antiquity for spiritual practices in enlightenment and,
and you know, for vision quests.So it's been with us as a human
species since the beginning of time.
Yeah, it has. I mean, it's been thousands and
(04:05):
thousands of there's so many cultures and that we've found it
in, you know, historically. Well, not even in the ancient
times. I mean they just found not not
too long ago in the Sahara desert. 2 mummies, 7000 years
old. So that predates dynastic Egypt.
(04:25):
Like Egypt is so cool because itwas used really widely.
And then when when Napoleon camethrough, Napoleon made it a a
law that none of his troops could use this plant because it
made them not want to fight. I mean, it was.
It's so cool to go back. So you're exactly right.
(04:46):
Yeah. Yeah.
What's the hardest thing? It Is it mostly stigma then that
is the hardest. Stigma is still very real.
So like I'll go in and I'll lecture depending on whatever
topic they want, then Ioffer a bus tour and the dispensary
because I need to get them comfortable with the space
(05:08):
because they don't feel comfortable.
It's very loud, it's very bright.
A lot of the product is on the walls and they're iridescent,
psychedelic, bright in your faceand there's high energy in their
life. It's uncomfortable.
You're in Arizona, right? Uh huh.
And I'm like, this is your space.
Let's let's go there together. Let's be together as a community
(05:29):
and experience it. And again I say there's no
stupid question. Is there a common question that
you feel you get the most from seniors?
There's three sleep, pain, anxiety.
The 4th 1 would be memory. Really.
Do you? I guess anxiety wasn't something
that a lot of elderly people that I was around ever talked
(05:52):
about. My my parents ran assisted
living Centers for a decade and I helped them open the two that
they had and helped them run them for a year or two when they
first did it. Very different experience than I
ever like. Never grew up in that.
(06:12):
Disheartening to see the amount of medications and things that
are just over prescribed. And it, it became this change of
like my dad brought in more activities and bought a bus
because he was like, no, let's get him active, let's get him
doing stuff. And he found they were able to
reduce a lot of their PRN meds and other things because it was
(06:33):
like, well, we increase your quality of life.
You don't maybe actually need all these other things.
And we found that many of them didn't, or at least maybe not
over medicating and stuff because you know, there is a
proper level of stuff for certain ailments and that.
So with sleep pain and anxiety, do you have a specific process
(06:57):
that you're having the the seniors follow, like a specific
dose or anything that they look?For it's.
No, it's not. One-size-fits-all, and this is
scary for them because I'm saying I'm going to encourage
each of you in this room. And I just spoke again today to
a group of elders to be your owndoctor.
(07:18):
Do I live in your body? No.
Do you live in your body? Yes.
Who's the expert? You.
So I'm going to encourage you todetermine who has a voice in
your life. And unfortunately, they were
also socializing to believing that the government was going to
take care of them. And have their best interest.
And have their best interests. Whereas the rest of us have
(07:41):
woken up and we see what's goingon.
But this generation didn't. And so that's another reason why
I'm present and accountable and in their face to support them
and encourage them because change is hard for them.
Yeah, super hard. And they're like, I'm not a
doctor. I'm like, no, you're not.
(08:03):
But you experience symptoms, physical symptoms that are,
let's just say, eroding your sense of function or your
quality of life. It stops you from totally
showing up for the full person that you are, the talent, the
skill, your personality. We need you.
The world needs you. There's not an expiration date.
(08:25):
It's here in your head. OK, so let's engage one another
in the community and let's change the equation.
And I have an amazing example. So I was speaking in a
community, and I met a medical Doctor Who's on the scooter,
retired ophthalmologist, no name.
And he didn't come to my first talk, but I came back six months
(08:49):
later to my second talk, and he's there.
And every time I talk, I usuallyhand a free product.
I go, look, it, here's what you need.
It was CBG. He told me he was anxious.
He told me he had back pain. He told me he had difficulty
standing. I said let's use some CBGI, gave
him the oil. 48 hours later, I get a phone call.
(09:12):
We'll call him Mr. Doctor. Mr. Doctor says.
And it could be the placebo effect.
I don't know. He goes, you've totally changed
my life. I go, what?
He goes, I have to tell you. And his wife is a nursing
administrator on a scooter in the background.
Oh, my gosh. Doctor Danny wouldn't believe
what happened. I'm like, well, keep talking.
He's like, I'm calm. I'm not yelling at my wife for
(09:35):
the first time. I have no back pain.
Like what? And I tried standing up off of
my scooter and I got up faster than I have in two years.
He goes, this is crazy. And I go, no, you have an
endocannabinoid deficiency, Mr. Doctor, and we're finally
feeding a system that's been ignored your entire life.
(09:57):
And, and so I applaud you for one, trusting me, two, taking it
and three, continuing to take it.
And lastly, communicating the results.
Now I want you to populate thoseresults within your community
and share it with your medical doctor.
We rub off on one another and wemake everyone better because
we're sharing our journey in ourexperience.
(10:19):
I it's incredible just how simple something small like that
makes such a huge difference. I have a cousin, she had reached
out probably like a month and a half ago because her friend's
dad has some horrible stage cancer and he's not willing to
try cannabis, but he's willing to try like a balm.
(10:41):
And I was looking at it like, yeah, it's going to cost him so
much. And I vaporize all, all the
time. So I'm left with a lot of
vaporized product. And I was like, I literally have
all of the stuff to make a bomb.So I made it for him, sent it to
him. And I asked, I was like, hey,
can you find out if that helped?And I hadn't heard anything
(11:02):
until literally today, like an hour ago, my cousin finally
texted me. He was like, hey, she finally
got back to me. And he'd said like, hey, I don't
think I updated you on the pain bomb.
My dad loves that stuff. Literally the only thing to
bring him a relief unless he's taking a prescribed pain Med
patch. And the pain patches are
(11:23):
hardcore meds. And it was just something simple
like a bomb. And he rubs it on his spine
because he's got crazy spinal pain from the cancer.
And now that he's going through and just something like that was
able to change even the quality of life.
And that because it takes away all of these ailments.
And that's what got me into it. I have a cracked disk.
(11:45):
And it was like, oh, crap, I canfunction.
I can not be doped up and heavily medicated.
I can be a dad. I can be a friend.
I can be a like a sibling, a son, whatever it is.
I can be Brandon again. Yes.
And like how many of those elderly people live 100% within
(12:07):
these ailments because it overcomes every aspect of their
life? Yeah, you know, go ahead, go
ahead. Serious.
No. Go ahead.
Oh well, what I was going to sayis the other side of that coin.
So prime example of my life, youknow, Brand since we started the
show. I was overweight, I was on
anxiety medications. A type 2 diabetic who struggles
(12:32):
with keeping his A1C down. And I've just noticed over the
last six months, because I'm on a regular dose of cannabis, I
have. It's helped me to be calmer.
But the one thing that it reallymade me think about is the years
that I was using cannabis, I wasn't getting this effect.
(12:52):
Like just recently I noticed that the neuropathy in my feet
has been getting less and less. And now I'm like, what has
changed? Well, it's been realizing that I
need to work with the medicine, not thinking that the medicine
is going to make everything OK. So it's, I wanted to ask you, in
(13:15):
your experience in working with so many different patients, is
that a difficult thing? Like, I mean, if we were going
to look at it in a percentage wise, what have you seen works
really well? I mean, again, everybody's
different, but at the same time,they've got to meet it halfway.
I find a lot of people tend to go, yeah, you know what?
I had pain too, but I ended up smoking way more cannabis than I
(13:38):
needed to. Well, they've gone past the
medicinal stage, which you coulddo with anything like, oh, I
love beaches and I all I want todo is eat them every day.
Like, great. But there's going to be an
effect. Like it has to be balanced.
What have you seen work really well for individuals who are
having difficulty coming to terms that they also need to
(14:00):
change? So this whole population, like I
said, has a very difficult time changing.
They have to almost get to a level of desperation or there's
pressure within a community thatsays, look at, you don't have to
live like this. Look at me, You can see how I'm
showing up and I'm different. And that's why when I go into
the communities, I try and create like a like a, a sense of
(14:20):
community or support group. And I've been known to go into
support groups like I'll go in and lecture specifically for
peripheral neuropathy. What strains work?
You know, what does the researchsay?
And, and they're like, whoa, I had no idea.
And once I can kind of debunk some of what's out there and
show them the research, they're like, oh, I got to try this.
(14:42):
But they need to have the data. And once, once they have that
security of knowing that there'sbeen research, that it's been
applied, that there's people that can speak to the positive
benefits of what this botanical brings to the table and that I
actually can take it with my pharmaceuticals.
OMG, you know, and we can dance together, Big pharma and
(15:06):
cannabis. I think the cannabis community
is far more willing to dance. Big pharma isn't.
So that's why we do a grass roots.
That's why we do what we do right here, right now to inform
the public that you have the power, but you have to exercise
it. You have to walk out of your
discomfort. Trust what you're hearing, do
(15:27):
the research. And that's why not only do I
teach and have bus tours, now wehave a big conference.
So we're going to give them tools like we have breakout
rooms. One room is just talking about
certificates of analysis becausethey need purity.
They need to know that they're going to get better and not
worse. And there's not, there's not
(15:47):
toxins or bad stuff in there, you know, And so they, they
sort, they put marijuana in withthe devil's weed, like it
couldn't be good. It's got to be toxic.
It's going to make you worse outof control, look stupid.
And, and you know what I'm thereto say.
It's going to make you come online.
(16:08):
It's going to make you excited about life again.
It's going to make people go, what are you doing?
Because you're, you're amazing. Give me your secret and we all
want to share when we got something that's just working
like amazing. 100% right. Do you have any red flags for
seniors on blood thinners or sedatives?
(16:29):
Of course. Maybe things to avoid tonight?
Yeah, so, so I'm lately talking about the non intoxicating
substances that are excreted from the plant because they're
concerned about falling. They're, they don't look stupid.
I mean, they don't want to feel like this drink 2 martinis, but
they don't want the pain that they want to be able to sleep.
(16:50):
They don't want to deal with anxiety.
They want to preserve their memory.
So I'm like, OK, so this is whatwe're going to do.
And I individualized it to each elder and their complaint, I
only introduced one product. I asked them to commit for 90
days. It's an experiment.
And what I tell them is The Dirty secret of medicine is, is
as doctors, we're experimenting on you.
(17:13):
Why do you think you come back every two to four weeks?
We're using pharmalogics in yourpersonal body to see if we can
have the desired effect. And it's standardization, which
in cannabis it isn't, which drives them crazy.
Yeah, because there is no standard so.
And and there's no guarantee that your product is always
(17:34):
going to be at your Dyspo or dispensary.
And so we don't have that like we do in a pharmacy.
So it's kind of Willy nilly, it doesn't seem as professional and
it's just the nature of the beast in this time, in this age,
in cannabis. Well, and that was, I mean,
we've talked about that on another episode because Utah is
(17:56):
a medical only state, but like within medicines, you don't go
to a doctor. And once you find your medicine
that works, they're not like, OK, well, here's this one and
here's this one and this one because, well, your medication
works. So when you go to a Dyspo or a
pharmacy and they don't have your strain, you have to find
(18:17):
other strains or medications that solve your ailments that
still, you know, have the same terpenes or cannabinoid profile
that you're looking for going, oh, this will also help me.
And so it's that bittersweet of,you know, the same cannabinoid
or terpene profile can sometimesfeel less effective on the same
dose over a long period of time.So switching that up is
(18:40):
beneficial. But at the same time, having
that medical consistency of, hey, you know, this same dose,
the same medication should be consistent for me.
But endocannabinoid systems are so unique in how they work and
consistently change, you know, what did you work out today?
What was your diet? You know, everything else.
(19:02):
But when you think about it, howmany other meds say take with
food? You know, it's kind of the same
thing with cannabis. If you take your medication with
food, you know, something fatty,something like that, you're
going to have a much more whole experience.
Yeah, because cannabis is, it loves fat.
So if we could put fat in the door, when we take cannabis,
(19:23):
you're going to absorb it faster.
But with our elders, their metabolic rate is different.
They absorb slower and they clear it out of their system
slower. So that's why I'm saying low and
slow, and patience is critical. And I'm going to have you go so
slow at first. You're not going to feel like
it's working. But I can't have a bad
(19:44):
experience. And if you've had a bad
experience, I'm here to create apositive experience so that you
want to put your toe in the water again.
Do you titrate them in at night or during the day or depending
on situation? It it's all dependent on the
person, the ailment and what's showing up.
(20:04):
Because so my grandma, she's 92 now, I, she was chronic
migraines handful of years ago, was prescribed up to fentanyl at
that point. Yeah.
And so my father finally came tome after many arguments of how
pointless and useless cannabis was.
And, you know, all this drug stuff he had been taught and
(20:27):
finally decided that it was worth having a conversation
because it might help his mom and asked me to make her
edibles. But then it was, I was like, no,
like most people who are in thatvery conservative mindset, they
grew up with this. Hey, I don't they didn't take
medications for 90% of things. So they don't want to feel
(20:48):
displaced. They don't need the euphoria or
the high. So they're not looking for that.
And so it was, hey, I don't wantyou to feel that because I know
that's not what you're looking for.
I want you to feel the experience of cannabis that is
removing your ailment, that is putting you at peace without
putting you out of place. And so approaching it, I had
(21:10):
realized after a lot of research, a lot of places were
like, hey, if you titrate them in at night.
So the first several days, you know, take it at night.
Well, if you have that option, the times that you might
experience the high or the euphoria, well, if that's done
at night, then you might not actually experience that.
(21:31):
And then hopefully after severaldays of taking it at night, you
could start taking it during theday in very slow micro dosing.
So you don't feel that euphoria,but you're still getting the
pain relief, the anxiousness relief, the ability to sleep,
you know, whatever it is withoutgoing to the moon.
Because yes, there's many peoplewho enjoy the feeling or that
(21:51):
euphoria, but there's many people who are not looking for
it. Like you said, when you're that
age, you're worried about takinga step.
You're not worried about, I don't want to feel floaty
because I'm already struggling taking a step in doing this.
Like you want to just feel like you again without all the other
meds, Because how many meds or pills or anythings make you feel
(22:15):
not like yourself? Correct.
Yes, we have an issue with a lotof pills.
And the more I'm out there speaking to the elders, the more
the disgruntled feelings of like, I'm sick of all these
pills and now I'm having side effects and how do I get off of
them? And I'm like, I'm not here to
take you off of any medications.That's between you and your
(22:36):
doctor. What we're talking about today
is how to augment support and help your system work more
effectively. And we're going to stoke a
chemical system in your body that no doctor or nurse or
veterinarian knows for your pets.
That's probably in a deficiency and that's why the ailment is
(22:56):
showing up and it it goes with your genetic predisposition.
So I'll work through a room and say maybe in you it's depression
and you in your 30s it was infertility, in him it's
Parkinson's and over here in herit's rheumatoid arthritis.
It shows up in different ways. And so we can work with that,
(23:16):
but it takes a lot of guts to take your health in your own
hands. I met two women who one had
fibromyalgia, 1 multiple sclerosis and I worked six years
in a dispensary so I could learnthe industry and they told me
they were on no pharmaceuticals.They methodically worked to
learn cannabis, to change what was going on, and then they
(23:38):
worked with their doctor to takethe pharmaceuticals out.
And I'm like, you are a champion.
That's impressive. It's a lot super.
Impressive. It's a lot of dedication, yes,
because it takes work to do that.
Yeah, but even on the other side, it's I think that's one of
the great things and I love whatyou're saying it.
I mean that goes along with whatBrandon and I have been saying
(23:59):
since the beginning, low and slow.
But what's great is that they once they start to see the
difference, they want that that all those gates that were in
front of their mind before of how this was painted as
something bad, how this was likeeverybody that I've talked to
(24:20):
that starts to use cannabis in one way or another, whether it's
CBDTHCA blend of everything, they always go, why is this
illegal? Like, I know, right?
And I agree with you too. I, I believe that
pharmaceuticals and cannabis canmarry really well.
I, I know in the health and in the health insurance industry,
(24:44):
you know, people who tend to usecannabis on a daily basis are
far less likely to be ill, to have a high BMI, to suffer from
anxiety. I mean, all these things have
changed my life. Literally the anxiety was making
my body sick. And, and so now, like when I, I
(25:08):
look at this, it's like I get soexcited, especially when I hear
about elderly people, because I was saying that before we got on
the call. Was that, that movie in the 80s
Cocoon where the, I mean, everybody, if you haven't seen
this, go find it. It's, it's an awesome movie.
It's these, they find these likealien pods and they put them
(25:28):
like in this community pool and they would swim around and
they're all like getting youthful and having fun and, and
finding romance again. And it's the idea that it'll
make them slower or it'll make them Dumber or people will judge
them. They realize that it's a another
gateway into actually being a fountain of youth for many of
(25:51):
them. You know, I mean, when you said
old, you were. I was just like, no way.
Because you look so young. And I think that's what it is.
It's, it's that what you had stated before, endocannabinoid
system is starved, it is malnourished.
And once you start to feed it in, it's like those little bits
of code in the matrix start being put into there and things
(26:13):
start to make sense. And you're like, oh, well, I'm
going to push this a little bit further.
How far does this rabbit hole go?
Right. And I give my card out, my cell
phone's on it. I'm like, I'm a phone call away.
Because your body's going to kind of get used to what you're
putting in the door and you're going to have to change it up,
which could create some anxiety.But I'm here for you to help you
(26:36):
with that, to gain the confidence.
Then you can take off and just sail.
So, but yeah, it's, it's all processed and it's about coming
alongside one another and supporting one another.
Yeah. Do you have a protocol for if
someone gets too high at home? Well, I have the.
Luxury of a gentleman who created a product called Undo
(26:59):
and it's in our smoke shops. So if if you're too high, it's
olatolic acid, it's 22 pills, 16ounces of water.
It will clear your receptors, kind of make you feel like
you're back at home. So I always have some in, you
know, my home. But I tell every elder never go
into a smoke shop to buy an edible or any product if you can
(27:23):
help it. Unless you want papers, unless
you want a bong or you want to get undo.
But I had a terrible story come to me from a pH pharmacist who's
in cannabis in Chicago and I shehad a 78 year old woman who went
into a smoke shop and was told by the person in there to buy
(27:43):
this 450 milligram edible that was equal parts of THCP, which
I've never heard of. And I looked up.
THCP when I'm on the phone with her and I'm like going are you
kidding me? That's a synthetic cannabis and
she was in the hospital. She barely could get call 911,
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open the door. It's an atrocity.
And I'm like, that gives our industry a bad rap, you know,
and we we can't have that happen.
It's all those synthetic. Cannabinoids, those are really
what caused so many problems. Yeah, it's it's anything in
smoke shops. There's ones here in Utah called
Kush Cubes that are sold all over and they're sold at head
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shops. They're sold at like normal
grocery stores and stuff. They're like delta 8 and other
synthetic ones all blended into a gummy, but they're like 200
like I I don't know, they're wayhigher dose than they should be
and they're all synthetic and people are like, oh, these are
great. I'm like, it's just garbage
you're putting in your body. But sure, there's way better
quality that you could actually get instead of this weird
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synthetic product, right? So.
We go at length about purity certificate of analysis.
How do you access that with yourphone?
You take a picture on the QR code so that you have Peace of
Mind with that product and theredoesn't have to be any anxiety.
There's not going to be herbicide residue, pesticide
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residue, solvent, is there bacteria, mold, how much THC is
in there? How much CBG, how much CBDI?
Mean it's really necessary and you don't get that in a smoke
shop, no. What's the biggest thing that
you have them look for on the COAI would say it would.
Be for the hypersensitive person, any solvent residue
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'cause that could be a neurotoxin.
And we already have enough issues with peripheral
neuropathy and Parkinson's and Alzheimer's.
So, and as we're older, our cells are less resilient and
they're more fragile, so they'remore apt to like hold onto a
toxin and not be able to let go of it.
Is there a specific product? That you recommend seniors stay
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away from smoke shops. Yeah, and.
I'm not a big fan of. Smoking.
OK. A lot of these elders smoke
cigarettes. They don't want to get that oral
fixation. I'm like, you don't have to go
there because I do have issue with like if I started smoking
at 20, what would my lungs look like when I'm now 67?
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So I mean, we have to like balance it, right?
And so it, we don't know what that looks like.
We're we're in the a new realityand your generation is going to
uncover that. I might be gone by then.
And so we'll learn more. Yeah, I've been very.
Curious long term effects of like cannabis smoking versus
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because they have it for cigarette smoking, but then they
also notice that, hey, if you stop smoking flame the flower
with cannabis, the bronchial effects and that that have
overcome the lungs kind of dissipate.
So very again, just have to waitand see what science and data
supports over time. But that's a very something
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that's always been curious in the back of my mind, but I don't
have the information yet to haveany way to know.
I like not. Starting an elder on THC unless
they're already consuming because I need a non
intoxicating substance whether it's CBDCBGCBN which is a little
intoxicating CBC even CBDATHCVI mean I can talk to alphabet soup
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but it's all about goodness of fit for that elder and.
Then people come out of my I'm. Like you don't have to write
anything. It's all there for you.
And I always start my talks withthere's a lot of information.
You don't have to grab a hold ofeverything.
Whatever sticks, let it stick. It's a process.
We're all learning. There's so much to know.
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We can't even keep up the rest of us who are in this industry.
So be kind to yourself. So what's been?
One of the funniest. Moments on a dispensary tour
that's kind of changed a bunch of minds all at once Oh well on
the. Dispensary tours they get
totally spoiled so if they don'thave a van or a bus, we rent a
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56 seater bus with a left 56 seater.
Wow, yeah, that's a big bus. So I could take scooters.
Walkers. Wheelchairs.
Because they can't. Some of them can't even go up
the stairs. OK, they don't.
Have the quad. The leg strength, the butt
strength. So when we get into the
dispensary, they're almost like children because they just
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become playful and they're just all excited and they've already
had a lecture and so they know. And then I meet with each one
and I go up to the bud tender. There's no pressure to buy.
We usually give a tour. Sometimes there's a grow that
they can see through a window. A lot of the dispensaries will
feed them lunch, but when they get back on the bus is when the
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fun starts. Because then they start talking
about everything they learned and what they bought and what
they're going to do and how they're going to compare notes
and how they can't wait to start.
And when you're going to start your gummies or when are you
going to start your oil. And it's, it's just fun to
watch. It's like there's there's
suffering and there's no joy. And all of a sudden they have
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empowerment. They're like, I can change this
equation for me. Oh, you're kidding.
No, you can simple one product. So when did?
Cannabis enter your world. Cannabis entered my.
World As a teenager, I smoked itand didn't like it because it
made me have the munchies and I was kind of a little chubby and
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I was like, I don't want to eat like these pink puff things.
I hate them and why am I shovingthat in my mouth?
Are those snowball? Things I'm like, I'm shoving
this in my. Mouth I don't want this.
So then I went into medicine andI was also a missionary, so I
was highly religious, so whole. And so I've done a whole 180.
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I did addiction medicine. I saw cannabis as a gateway
drug. I come from a lineage of
addiction, so I thought I'm going to serve the addict.
I'm not going to judge them because it could be me, but I'm
not an addictive personality andso I saw it as a gateway drug.
When I closed my medical practice, a patient said she got
a dispensary license and would Icome work for her.
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And I said, oh, and then I told myself, you have a PhD.
Don't believe what you were told.
You go in and do the research. And when I saw the research, I
became a rebel. Like, they lied to us.
How dare them? Yeah, Now I got to tell
everybody. That's basically what it.
Was when I learned I was just like Oh my God, did you guys
know this? It wasn't even, I didn't tell my
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family that I consumed cannabis for probably like 4 years, but I
educated the hell out of them. And then after that I was like,
it was finally at like a family dinner on Sunday with my whole
family around and they were talking about something.
I'm like, you guys would probably never know, but every
single time that you guys have seen me for the last five years,
I would be what you guys might classify as high.
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And they're like what? Like yeah, I smoke every time
before I come like and they're like, no way.
I'm like, yeah, like it's, it's not what you guys have been
thinking, right? Now do I vape and do I smoke
flour? Yes, but I don't do it on a
regular basis. I'm really an edible queen.
And and when I start my lectures, I talk about how I
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have 3 flaws that require addictive medication.
So I'm a I'm a human with credentials and so I'm like I
have anxiety. I don't want to be on
benzodiazepines. OK, I choose CBG.
I have a neurodivergent brain. I have ADHDI don't want to go on
amphetamines or Adderall. I would rather use CBD to rewire
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my brain. I have insomnia 'cause I have
this hyper brain. I was on Ambien in my medical
practice. Guess what?
I couldn't remember total meetings.
I couldn't remember who was in the meeting and what I sat.
My business partner said you're creeping me out.
You got to get off that Med. At that time I was burned out,
closed the practice. And when I went into cannabis,
I'm like, I got to sleep. So Ambien, any sleep Med, I was
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on Ambien. Ambien will erase your short
term memory, which it did for me.
But any sleep Med can predisposethis 40% to dementia.
And then I had a patient show upin the dispensary.
He goes, you have no idea what happened to my family.
I go, what happened? He goes, my brother-in-law gets
up at 3:00 AM, he's on Ambien, shaves, puts a suit on, starts
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driving to work, he's sleepwalking.
He goes head on into a woman, hekills her instantly.
But he was so well to do. He settled out of court.
I said he should have gone afterthe pharmaceutical company
because this is a known side effect.
So so people will go, how could you be a doctor and you embrace
cannabis? It's because I don't want to be
an addictive medications. I want to take it naturally and
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change my Physiology on my own terms.
We're all. No, Ambien is horrible.
I I mean, there's the funny things, you know, people like to
laugh about, but the short term memory loss.
My father used to abuse it so much he would call my sister at
3:00 AM singing Beatles songs have no.
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Memory. Of it I was, I was taking it for
a while and then when I was sitting down with my friends and
it kicked in. It's a hallucinogen in the worst
way. It is nowhere near like
psilocybin, any of that. Because the feeling was so
synthetic and everything was distorted and I was like, I am
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never touching this again. But you're exactly right.
Where people suffer from insomnia so much and they're
like, I don't want to get high. Absolutely CBN, absolutely.
Let's put that into you. And, and the talk about CBCBG,
like I, I don't take enough of that.
I have ADHD and you know, but it, you know, cannabis, the
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regular amount of cannabis I'm getting, you know, bits of that
one because Brandon and I are very much on the flower and, and
how that affects our body. But yeah, I, I just, I am so
excited that you do this. Do you, do you just travel all
over, all over spreading this word?
I have 35. 1000 miles on my brand new car, one year old
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that's. Well done.
Bravo. That's how much driving I'm
doing. How's your back after that?
It's great. I move.
I exercise, I move and groove. Yeah, so that is so.
So are you, are you taking this anywhere else?
Well, we would. Love to, but we're, we're only
eight people in our company. We're attached to a
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bioscientific company. We want to do a pharmacokinetic
study to look at, you know, the fact that we're precision
dosing, you know, we're nanotechnology, liposomal.
We want to show the US public that we really truly deliver
consistently. And so that takes money and
time. So we're in process as a
company. We want to go to other states.
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We're negotiating that possibility because there are
some dispensaries we're aligned with that are in states with
massive elders. And so there's talk about moving
me to another state to start getting it going, but it's all
timing, you know, and when you're starting.
Yeah, go ahead. No, no, no, I, I'm.
Sorry, ADH DS grabbed me. I, I wanted to ask you this
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because I, I'm, I'm just thinking about a lot of our
listeners are typically, you know, my age, middle age and up
because they're so curious aboutit.
So is there, do you have conferences where people come
from all over right now? Well, no.
This is our. First conference for the modern
elder. OK, if it works in Phoenix,
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we're going to Tucson. They're begging us down and
we're going north to Flagstaff. And, and the fact that
Missouri's flying in to see how to do it is just amazing because
it's pretty exciting. They have a great elder
population. We're looking at Florida.
I mean, we'll see, time will tell, but so awesome.
How can? We help.
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Well, I'm going to send Brandon all of our stuff about the
Modern Elder Collective, A Wellness Expo.
Is that the name? Of your Expo, the Modern Elder
Collective. OK, so we have.
Doctor Seuss. Sisley her stuff will be in the
show. Notes Yeah, yeah, yeah, Dee.
She's got. Federally funded research in
Scottsdale, AZ looking at PTSD in veterans using cannabis.
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She's opening the conference conference.
I'm ending the conference with the whole panel of elders
talking about how do they use cannabis for their medical
ailments and what their journeysbeen.
Because they need to hear from peers.
I'm one voice, but they need to hear it from their peers.
Yeah. What the experience?
Has been how it's worked for them.
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There's a lot of breakout. Yeah, we have.
Breakout rooms, so in one room, certificates of analysis, one
room's just edibles. We have cannabis bingo with
prizes. We have dancers with silk fans.
We have painting stations blowing bubbles.
We're going to bring joy, we're going to have fun.
It's our. Time.
To play, I don't care how old you are, especially.
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I just keep thinking like. Man, I think about our audience
too, you know, even the younger,younger generation around
Brandon's age. Like, you've got parents who are
the boomer generation and just think about their quality of
life right now. Think about what they're not
doing. They're slowly slipping into
senility. I have yet to meet an elder who
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uses cannabis who's sitting around.
They don't. They don't.
They're out. They're like, this is a new
lease on life. So if if you have a parent, a
grandparent who is going, you know, I, I don't want to see him
keep taking meds and just slowlyslipping away.
This is not who I want to remember.
And I'm sure they don't want to be remembered that way either.
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No, and I'm even. Speaking to staff and assisted
living and Hospice. Why?
Because assisted living, Having any kind of caregiver has an
amazing influence on an elder. So if an elder is taking a gummy
and it's working, but a caregiver makes a judgmental
statement, they'll quit it. So I'm like, assisted living
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can't give cannabis, but if an elder goes home for a holiday
like Thanksgiving and the familymedicates them with an edible
for sleep and it was amazing. And they're like, we want to
give it to our loved 1 to medicate on their own.
You know, they might Pooh Pooh that you know, And so I'm
talking to them. Hospice is another place.
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It's an amazing way for pain relief foreclosure between US
and our loved 1 so that we can deal with our anxiety and our
grief, but say goodbye and keep them awake and that comatose
with opioids. So there's so many ways that we
can maneuver that people don't consider with this plan.
Do you find that? There are is a lot of pushback
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from the assisted living centersin having cannabis like self
medicating on their own well. There's pushback 'cause they're
federally funded and all of the medications are are given by a a
licensed person so they can't hand them cannabis cause in the
federalized it's schedule 1 they'd have to self medicate.
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Yeah, they'd have to self medicate.
So is it just a lot? Of pushback from the assisted
living centers or more from the caregivers?
On that level, do you feel it's more from administration?
And we need to honor that and value that because of the the
legality and the politics of ourday and age.
And I'm not judging it, but I still want to inform the
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caregivers because that caregiver is going to get older
if they're lucky and they might want to use cannabis for their
own personal function and quality.
So it's not wasted time and energy.
Not at all. No, it's.
Just continuous education, and the more people we educate, the
more that it can change, absolutely.
Yeah, that's. Amazing.
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It is so amazing to hear this, especially for those who are
listening. I mean, this needs to be shared
over and over. You know, Doc coming on here, I
mean, I, I was, I was so thrilled.
You know, I have 10 years of working in the mental health
field and the majority of that was working with seniors with
dementia, with schizophrenia, all these different things.
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And all they did to him, I had to watch.
And they fill a little Dixie cupabout this big full of meds to
the brim and they would drool onthemselves.
They would defecate on themselves like they didn't live
a quality of life. I, I wouldn't want to be that
way going, you know, and like you said, it's a, it's a, it's
such a calming way to be able to, for everybody to while,
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while a loved one is passing it,there's nothing to do doing pain
management in a way where you can be coherent, right.
Well, here's the thing. You guys know how to age
gracefully using this plant. The elders right now don't
unless they've been consuming since they were young or they
picked it up in their late 50s, early 60s.
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OK, But here's the problem. They've been brainwashed into
thinking that the US government is going to take care of them
and provide for them and that they don't have to do anything.
And when I come on the scene, they're like, wow, you're kind
of like, they don't call me abrasive, but they're like whoa.
And I'm like, if you don't like your current physical situation,
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you can change it. And this is 1 tiny way with the
botanical. It's not going to work fast like
a pharmaceutical because it's not synthetic.
But your body knows the difference between natural and
synthetic. And the more natural we can get,
the better. But again, I don't want them
smoking, but I can teach them how to make cannabis butter, how
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to make cream, pain cream with cannabis.
There's so many ways we can use this plant for our lives to fit
into whatever is going on. Yeah.
So. In like 55 older assisted living
center say a senior's trying to consider cannabis.
Is there something that you would recommend they not
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approach cannabis? If they have, well, I'm mostly
an independent. Living and not assisted living
OK so an assistant I'm talking to staff so an independent.
I'm asking them never to go intoa smoke shop.
I'm asking them to not Oh no sorry like if.
Is there a specific ailment likeif they have or like, hey, if
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they're using this like hey, don't, don't use cannabis
because it really doesn't work well if you're macular
degeneration. It's not going to do anything
for that tinnitus, ringing in the ears.
It's not going to do anything for that.
They're like, what can you give me?
I go, I can't give you anything.This plant is not a miracle
worker. It's not an end all.
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It's not going to make you a brand new person.
It's, you know, it just isn't, so that doesn't fix it.
Is. There anything that like they
would be worried about like hey I I've got this element or I'm
taking this medication cannabis interacts horribly with it so
don't like so there's medications that we.
Need to be respectful of cause. Medications are processed
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through the liver through enzymepathways, and some of the
cannabis products go through thesame enzyme pathways as those
pharmaceuticals. And when you put them in at the
same time, the pharmaceutical that their medical doctor
prescribed that they're paying good money for may not be
absorbed efficiently or adequately binding to the same
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receptors. Because it's already taken,
right? Right.
So we really need to honor that.And so a lot of medications that
say no grapefruit are the ones that we're concerned about.
And that's because they go through those pathways.
So unlike blood thinners are an issue, you have to go 2 hours
either side of those, OK, because they they'll compete
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through that pathway. High cholesterol meds, high
heartburn meds, GERD meds, gastroesophageal reflux meds and
antipsychotics. So I'm not here to disrupt what
they're doing with their medicaldoctor.
I'm here to support it, but theyneed to be aware of that now.
Most medical doctors don't know anything about cannabis.
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They can't talk about it. They're.
Not trained. In it, unless it's a hobby
they're consuming or there's a family member or some situation
in their life or they've done their own independent.
Study because it's not educated about within medical school, so
I'm always telling. Elders, tell your doctor you're
taking it. We need to rub off on them
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because after a while they'll start hearing all these positive
responses and say I think you need to keep doing that.
That's really good. Don't stop.
I'm hearing good things. So as a community, we need to
rub off on them and share. Yeah, Yeah.
Yeah, I had. A and say I, I everybody knows
in the last episode that I had issues with my eyes, my corneas
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and all that. But when I was there while
they're shutting needles in my eyes, which I'm so glad that
they did because they they savedmy vision.
But I was telling them about like, they go, do you take any
medications? And I go through the medications
I'm on and they go, oh, OK, and do you smoke?
And I said cannabis and the guy.Goes.
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Oh, I'm like, yeah, you should hear my podcast.
And then he opened up to me and then he stopped me on the way
out. It was, it was a Meadows.
He's like, hey, can I get the name of your show?
I really want to learn about it.And then even the doctor that
came in and shoved it in there, he's like, you're going to be
OK. I'm like, hey, he goes, do you
need a prescription for pain meds?
Sometimes this hurt. And I said, no, I haven't taken
pain meds in over 10 years. And he goes nothing.
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And I'm like, well, Tylenol, ibuprofen randomly, but it's
mostly cannabis for me. And he's like, really?
And he took my podcast too because he was just like, you
know, I'm willing to learn aboutit.
And I'm seeing that more in the medical profession, especially
where they get to deal with the elderly more.
They're like, I'm giving them somany meds and I know a lot of
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them aren't happy with it eitherbecause I know that the
insurance company is the one who's actually practicing
medicine, not the doctor. So it's you.
When you're able to introduce Natural Ageless, it's been
around forever. By utilizing that when you're
understanding that it's not going to change your life by any
means, but it's going to be ableto make it a better life, which
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to everybody, that's why they go, oh, it's a miracle.
It's done all these things. And I'm like, yeah, being here,
but you got to keep working. You can't, you can't just expect
it to do all the heavy lifting for you.
And, and I used to do that. I mean, Brandon knows that.
So it's like, it's been such a, oh, this has been so amazing
being able to talk to you about all of this.
And I, I honestly can't imagine that one, Brandon, who was the
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guy that we talked to in California that has those very
unique dosing with CBD. What was that guy's name?
Oh, you're talking about RSO? Protocols.
Yeah. What's his name?
How do RSO protocols you would love?
Talking to her, he has got so many amazing stories of that's
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awesome working with people. But I think you guys definitely
need to meet because oh man, Brandon, we got to get.
I have to go back and find the episode.
I honestly that's terrible. I remember, can't remember his
name exactly what you were talking about.
Yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm. Drawing a blank too.
Damn you marijuana taking my butno.
Seriously, I I. Think that one, that should
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definitely happen in two. I figured that this needs to be
able to get out there more often.
There are other physicians just like you who are coming into the
fold. And I, I really think that this
is the catalyst of what's reallygoing to start taking off and,
and helping our elderly, you know, that's going to
dramatically cut down their pharmaceutical needs.
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And if people know this, like ifyou guys are able to introduce
this into your lives, you got tothink about why.
OK, just, I'm going to give somefaction.
I just talked to a friend out inOregon.
He is on the Affordable Care Plan, Affordable Care Act,
right? It has got his, has gone up to
133%. It was $60 to cover himself and
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now it's 240 a month. And I said, yeah, that's just
there now at the pump, you're going to be paying more when
when cannabis is introduced. It works well with the medicine,
but you're able to cut down on pharmaceuticals, which starts if
everybody starts. I mean, I know Brandon and I
would tell everybody should be using this in one way form or
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another. But really it it would be able
to lower the cost of so many things.
And what would it do for the seniors of tomorrow?
What would that do? What we would be in such AI mean
I I dream of a world like you dowhere you could be able to see
where cannabis is in medicine inconstant practice.
Well, it was. Back in 1850, but it came out of
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the US Pharmacopeia in 1943, so everybody knew it as cannabis
but not as marijuana. Yeah, well, it was in 80% of.
Over the counter medications. So it's it was a normal thing
for everyone and then it became this demonized marijuana and
everyone's like what the hell isthis?
I should be scared, as my government told me so it's all
economic, I. Know so.
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Say I'm the grandson and I'm going with my Nana to the
dispensary. Good.
What should I say at the counterto help her feel safe and not
overwhelmed so you could tell the.
Budtender, we're here today because Nana has a medical
problem and we need help. How can you help us?
And here's the problem. I think that's.
Perfect. That's exactly the way to do it.
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And hopefully your bud tender orpharmacist has enough education
that they can really speak to that well in the state of.
Arizona, I'm also training bud tenders and all the
dispensaries. Oh, good.
You know why? Because some of them are totally
disrespectful and they don't even know it.
They come off like, hey man, howcan I get you high Sativa
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hybrid, indica and the elder, they're talking fast, they're
mumbling, there's no eye contact.
I'm like, we can't have that, OK?
We, our industry is down by 30%.This is a whole group, a cadre
of people who are suffering needlessly.
Do you know if we built loyal customers, what that could do to
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your job security and to the industry?
Not even talking the changing quality of life like.
So let's just take a back seat and let me just tell you
something about how special you are as a bud tender.
And a lot of elders go, what's abud tender?
I'm like, well, a bartender tenders or serves you alcohol.
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A bud tender serves you wheat, sells you wheat.
Oh, OK. So, you know, there's just
basics that have to go on, but it's just, it's just, it's just,
it is so fun. It's an exploration together,
Nana and you, you know, and thenit's one thing only.
And maybe even writing it down so that she remembers when and
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where to take it and how to takeit.
Like if she gets an oil or a tincture, I don't want her
getting upset if some of it wentdown her throat.
That's OK. We don't live in a perfect
world, you know what I mean, at least.
It's going in the door. I like that but.
But tenders are. Special people.
Why? Because doctors in America are
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so pressured, they don't always have the luxury of time.
And I said to a vast majority ofyou might spend more time with
an elder than their doctor does.Some of their doctors have
already wrote the script, openedthe door, and they're saying
we're done in a very They're notsaying it verbally, they're
saying it with their actions. Yeah.
I need you. Listening, I need you being
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patient I said they're hungry tocommunicate and to connect and
you matter and when I put it that way, it just is a game
changer they're like, Oh my gosh, I kind of like my job I
go, you're amazing and we need you right here right now.
Our elders need you. I don't want to be a.
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Budtender, but like I feel it would be such an incredible
experience to truly connect on that level.
Like hey, what do you actually need?
Because I know that I would really want to genuinely help
them on like the real estate level instead of just like, oh,
let's get you a high. It's.
Like there's. So much.
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Even with anyone who uses cannabis on a high level,
there's way more to it than that.
That's such a naive perspective,right?
And there's there's example after example I could give you.
I had a 42 year old man walk to me through a cornfield and told
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me he was thrown through the front windshield of his car and
it's taken him over a year to rewalk and talk and he's in
total pain. And I said take a seat.
He goes. I said I can't get up.
I go take a seat, OK? I said, I'll get men and pick
you up. I said, you're going to take
this product. I didn't even ask him.
I gave him Rick Simpson oil. I said, you're going to take a
(57:25):
little grain of rice, put it inside your cheek.
We just kept talking. And then when we were done and
we did the consultation, he stood right up.
And then he started crying. He goes, what?
I go, you have a major deficiency, and this plant is
showing you how it can deliver. It changed its entire life.
Yeah, with a. Simple grain size A simple
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grain. Inside his mouth now he's
changed it up, but that's how hestarted.
This is amazing, thank. You thank you so much for what
you are doing right now. Seriously, because that's, you
know, this we we, we created this show, Brandon and I to
educate people. Yeah, it got a little Stony
(58:07):
every once in a while and that'sjust how it is.
But honestly, the, the amount ofpeople who are interacting with
us on this level now where they're coming and they're
listening to I just, you know, one of our our fans reached out
to me on Facebook said, oh, I'm so sorry.
I don't want to reach out to you.
I'm like, no, I sent her a voicememo like, hey, you're awesome.
(58:28):
Like this is great. Keep talking about this is
spread it around because people need to get rid of the stigma
that this is something bad. This is going to hurt you and
people aren't going to like you.Matter of fact, a lot more
people are going to like you. You're going to stop being such
a grumpy old ass and you're going to start being cool with
people going man. Like the idea that I, I know too
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many, too many elderly that are just they're just bitter.
They're not angry. They're just bitter because
they're exactly what you said. They were full.
They were sold a bag of lies andnow they're old and now they're
they're having a hard life and now they're having to fight with
the government to go. And why can't you cover my bunch
(59:09):
of medications that my body really doesn't want, Right?
Yeah. We're having a blast.
I'm even talking to them about making their own edibles with
different strains for their sexual life.
Are you kidding? Me.
Oh my gosh, I'm like, oh, you can have fun.
Let me tell you, Senior sex. Classes.
There you go. Yeah, it's beautiful.
So I mean like. So what's your strain that you?
(59:31):
Recommend for senior sex. There's a lot of strains it just
gastropop is really good, Melanade is really good.
Jesus, juice is really I'll leave it.
Here in a second. Jesus, Juice.
Yeah, you got to play. And just put it in edibles and
check it out. I just I haven't heard of.
Jesus juice, the strain. That sounds fantastic.
(59:52):
It's here in Arizona. You need to make a road trip.
So you have to teach. People how to look up the
strains and if it says aroused is the number one thing, I'm
like that's it. Test it.
Test it in your body with your partner and see what the results
are. We always have so much.
Fun. Whenever we do an episode and
it's a strain review and the topthing's aroused and it's like,
(01:00:14):
are you hard? I am.
Oh my gosh, like. So, and you would be amazed at
how many older men would come inand say, I have a new partner.
What can you help me with? And you know, at first I was, it
was hard to figure it out. But now I've been doing it and
it's like, oh, you have to be able to make it yourself.
Are you OK with that? I'll have my woman make it.
Thank you. I mean one.
(01:00:35):
For coming on our show, but moreimportantly, thank you for
developing this relationship with us to be able to educate
more people about this we have wanted.
I mean, because of Brandon's grandmother, we have really,
really, really wanted more elderly to be able to experience
this. And I love your approach.
(01:00:55):
It's something that we would definitely love to be a part of
and come and speak as well to really kind of go from a a very
different perspectives. And I think it would be able to
change it up. But more importantly, like I am
just so excited to hear your process and how you engage with
them because it really it makes me smile about that whole.
(01:01:17):
I would love to be in a dispensary out there with this
whole bus of senior citizens. I mean, this would be it's on
Instagram we've. Got it.
Life is chill. Instagram follow up coming off
with elders and they're all happy and they get swag bags and
all these samples and it's fun. Doctor Dana for the.
Family listening with grandma. Give them one tiny experiment to
(01:01:39):
run this week. Measurable, kind, reversible.
If it helps, keep it. If it doesn't, they can stop.
CBG helps. With anxiety, helps with pain,
helps with glaucoma, high eye pressure, and helps with
terrible gut problems. Awesome, you've got to.
Have something? In that for that would be
affected by CBG non intoxicatingwill not show up in your blood
(01:02:02):
and will make you be a better person.
Awesome. Well, thanks for leaving that we
will have all of her links below.
You can find her, follow her. Go check out the conference and
TuneIn next week.
I'm Brandon. And I'm Jesse we're.
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And your mom? Welcome to the sesh.
Every family has that one conversation that we dodge.
How do we keep you comfortable, clear headed and still you?
(00:24):
Our guest lives in that conversation daily, translating
science and stigma into simple steps for seniors.
Dr. Dana, welcome to Cannabis School.
Thank you so much. It's wonderful to be here.
Yeah, so I mean, it was really interesting when we first got
your e-mail, it was like, oh, she works with Elders and I'm
(00:44):
like, oh shit, that's me. She's got a program specifically
designed for Brandon Elder. It's not you, it's me.
Well, my last name is Elder so. Oh, yeah.
OK, all right. But you're too young for that.
What are you in your 30s? Thirty.
Eight. Yeah, so I'm in my late 60s, but
that's fantastic. Oh, totally.
(01:05):
Wouldn't have guessed. I I'm a holistic doc, I have
good energy and I'm out there populating it with butterfly
energy for other elders that come online.
That's that's awesome. So before the diplomas, before
the white coats, what kind of kid were you?
Athletic, energetic, enthusiastic and all over the
(01:27):
place. I have a neuro divergent brain
so I have ADHD so I was like allover.
Yeah, I support. That.
There was. I went on a trip with Jesse's
wife when I was 9. We share grandparents and wow
they took us to the East Coast for a couple weeks and me I won
(01:51):
this award on this trip. It was basically everyone my
grandparents age and then me, mybrother and my 2 cousins who are
all 9 to 12 years old and everyone else was probably 65
and older. And so we I won the award of
like the Energizer Bunny who just keeps going and going and
(02:14):
going because nonstop crazy energy of yeah.
Yes, that was me as a child. That's exciting.
So take me to the exact moment from then when you started
working with seniors. Well, I started my profession as
a nursing assistant in a, in a nursing home and it was nursing
home, but also memory care. And I just love the elders.
(02:35):
I I couldn't have enough of them.
When did you do that? In the early 80s.
OK. So early on in your career, is
that pretty? Yes, and you know, I look at
them as champions. They've gone before us, they've
trudged the road. They're at a different place and
space than we will be when we get to their age, especially
(02:57):
you, because AI is going to be like amazing.
But the scoop is is they don't. They were taught different.
They were taught never to question authority.
They were taught to not to research.
And so they implicitly believed everything they were given.
So when I start to talk, I startwith the research and how we've
been lied to and it was economicinterest that took this divine
(03:22):
plant away from us for our health and our Wellness.
Is that a pretty easy conversation most of the time?
It's it's, it depends on the person.
So actually from a very religious background.
So if they're still entrenched in the religious background, it
can be difficult for them to embrace this plant.
(03:42):
But if we go back into biblical times, there is mention of it
with a different word. And so it's been used since
antiquity for spiritual practices in enlightenment and,
and you know, for vision quests.So it's been with us as a human
species since the beginning of time.
Yeah, it has. I mean, it's been thousands and
(04:05):
thousands of there's so many cultures and that we've found it
in, you know, historically. Well, not even in the ancient
times. I mean they just found not not
too long ago in the Sahara desert. 2 mummies, 7000 years
old. So that predates dynastic Egypt.
(04:25):
Like Egypt is so cool because itwas used really widely.
And then when when Napoleon camethrough, Napoleon made it a a
law that none of his troops could use this plant because it
made them not want to fight. I mean, it was.
It's so cool to go back. So you're exactly right.
(04:46):
Yeah. Yeah.
What's the hardest thing? It Is it mostly stigma then that
is the hardest. Stigma is still very real.
So like I'll go in and I'll lecture depending on whatever
topic they want, then Ioffer a bus tour and the dispensary
because I need to get them comfortable with the space
(05:08):
because they don't feel comfortable.
It's very loud, it's very bright.
A lot of the product is on the walls and they're iridescent,
psychedelic, bright in your faceand there's high energy in their
life. It's uncomfortable.
You're in Arizona, right? Uh huh.
And I'm like, this is your space.
Let's let's go there together. Let's be together as a community
(05:29):
and experience it. And again I say there's no
stupid question. Is there a common question that
you feel you get the most from seniors?
There's three sleep, pain, anxiety.
The 4th 1 would be memory. Really.
Do you? I guess anxiety wasn't something
that a lot of elderly people that I was around ever talked
(05:52):
about. My my parents ran assisted
living Centers for a decade and I helped them open the two that
they had and helped them run them for a year or two when they
first did it. Very different experience than I
ever like. Never grew up in that.
(06:12):
Disheartening to see the amount of medications and things that
are just over prescribed. And it, it became this change of
like my dad brought in more activities and bought a bus
because he was like, no, let's get him active, let's get him
doing stuff. And he found they were able to
reduce a lot of their PRN meds and other things because it was
(06:33):
like, well, we increase your quality of life.
You don't maybe actually need all these other things.
And we found that many of them didn't, or at least maybe not
over medicating and stuff because you know, there is a
proper level of stuff for certain ailments and that.
So with sleep pain and anxiety, do you have a specific process
(06:57):
that you're having the the seniors follow, like a specific
dose or anything that they look?For it's.
No, it's not. One-size-fits-all, and this is
scary for them because I'm saying I'm going to encourage
each of you in this room. And I just spoke again today to
a group of elders to be your owndoctor.
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Do I live in your body? No.
Do you live in your body? Yes.
Who's the expert? You.
So I'm going to encourage you todetermine who has a voice in
your life. And unfortunately, they were
also socializing to believing that the government was going to
take care of them. And have their best interest.
And have their best interests. Whereas the rest of us have
(07:41):
woken up and we see what's goingon.
But this generation didn't. And so that's another reason why
I'm present and accountable and in their face to support them
and encourage them because change is hard for them.
Yeah, super hard. And they're like, I'm not a
doctor. I'm like, no, you're not.
(08:03):
But you experience symptoms, physical symptoms that are,
let's just say, eroding your sense of function or your
quality of life. It stops you from totally
showing up for the full person that you are, the talent, the
skill, your personality. We need you.
The world needs you. There's not an expiration date.
(08:25):
It's here in your head. OK, so let's engage one another
in the community and let's change the equation.
And I have an amazing example. So I was speaking in a
community, and I met a medical Doctor Who's on the scooter,
retired ophthalmologist, no name.
And he didn't come to my first talk, but I came back six months
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later to my second talk, and he's there.
And every time I talk, I usuallyhand a free product.
I go, look, it, here's what you need.
It was CBG. He told me he was anxious.
He told me he had back pain. He told me he had difficulty
standing. I said let's use some CBGI, gave
him the oil. 48 hours later, I get a phone call.
(09:12):
We'll call him Mr. Doctor. Mr. Doctor says.
And it could be the placebo effect.
I don't know. He goes, you've totally changed
my life. I go, what?
He goes, I have to tell you. And his wife is a nursing
administrator on a scooter in the background.
Oh, my gosh. Doctor Danny wouldn't believe
what happened. I'm like, well, keep talking.
He's like, I'm calm. I'm not yelling at my wife for
(09:35):
the first time. I have no back pain.
Like what? And I tried standing up off of
my scooter and I got up faster than I have in two years.
He goes, this is crazy. And I go, no, you have an
endocannabinoid deficiency, Mr. Doctor, and we're finally
feeding a system that's been ignored your entire life.
(09:57):
And, and so I applaud you for one, trusting me, two, taking it
and three, continuing to take it.
And lastly, communicating the results.
Now I want you to populate thoseresults within your community
and share it with your medical doctor.
We rub off on one another and wemake everyone better because
we're sharing our journey in ourexperience.
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I it's incredible just how simple something small like that
makes such a huge difference. I have a cousin, she had reached
out probably like a month and a half ago because her friend's
dad has some horrible stage cancer and he's not willing to
try cannabis, but he's willing to try like a balm.
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And I was looking at it like, yeah, it's going to cost him so
much. And I vaporize all, all the
time. So I'm left with a lot of
vaporized product. And I was like, I literally have
all of the stuff to make a bomb.So I made it for him, sent it to
him. And I asked, I was like, hey,
can you find out if that helped?And I hadn't heard anything
(11:02):
until literally today, like an hour ago, my cousin finally
texted me. He was like, hey, she finally
got back to me. And he'd said like, hey, I don't
think I updated you on the pain bomb.
My dad loves that stuff. Literally the only thing to
bring him a relief unless he's taking a prescribed pain Med
patch. And the pain patches are
(11:23):
hardcore meds. And it was just something simple
like a bomb. And he rubs it on his spine
because he's got crazy spinal pain from the cancer.
And now that he's going through and just something like that was
able to change even the quality of life.
And that because it takes away all of these ailments.
And that's what got me into it. I have a cracked disk.
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And it was like, oh, crap, I canfunction.
I can not be doped up and heavily medicated.
I can be a dad. I can be a friend.
I can be a like a sibling, a son, whatever it is.
I can be Brandon again. Yes.
And like how many of those elderly people live 100% within
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these ailments because it overcomes every aspect of their
life? Yeah, you know, go ahead, go
ahead. Serious.
No. Go ahead.
Oh well, what I was going to sayis the other side of that coin.
So prime example of my life, youknow, Brand since we started the
show. I was overweight, I was on
anxiety medications. A type 2 diabetic who struggles
(12:32):
with keeping his A1C down. And I've just noticed over the
last six months, because I'm on a regular dose of cannabis, I
have. It's helped me to be calmer.
But the one thing that it reallymade me think about is the years
that I was using cannabis, I wasn't getting this effect.
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Like just recently I noticed that the neuropathy in my feet
has been getting less and less. And now I'm like, what has
changed? Well, it's been realizing that I
need to work with the medicine, not thinking that the medicine
is going to make everything OK. So it's, I wanted to ask you, in
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your experience in working with so many different patients, is
that a difficult thing? Like, I mean, if we were going
to look at it in a percentage wise, what have you seen works
really well? I mean, again, everybody's
different, but at the same time,they've got to meet it halfway.
I find a lot of people tend to go, yeah, you know what?
I had pain too, but I ended up smoking way more cannabis than I
(13:38):
needed to. Well, they've gone past the
medicinal stage, which you coulddo with anything like, oh, I
love beaches and I all I want todo is eat them every day.
Like, great. But there's going to be an
effect. Like it has to be balanced.
What have you seen work really well for individuals who are
having difficulty coming to terms that they also need to
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change? So this whole population, like I
said, has a very difficult time changing.
They have to almost get to a level of desperation or there's
pressure within a community thatsays, look at, you don't have to
live like this. Look at me, You can see how I'm
showing up and I'm different. And that's why when I go into
the communities, I try and create like a like a, a sense of
(14:20):
community or support group. And I've been known to go into
support groups like I'll go in and lecture specifically for
peripheral neuropathy. What strains work?
You know, what does the researchsay?
And, and they're like, whoa, I had no idea.
And once I can kind of debunk some of what's out there and
show them the research, they're like, oh, I got to try this.
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But they need to have the data. And once, once they have that
security of knowing that there'sbeen research, that it's been
applied, that there's people that can speak to the positive
benefits of what this botanical brings to the table and that I
actually can take it with my pharmaceuticals.
OMG, you know, and we can dance together, Big pharma and
(15:06):
cannabis. I think the cannabis community
is far more willing to dance. Big pharma isn't.
So that's why we do a grass roots.
That's why we do what we do right here, right now to inform
the public that you have the power, but you have to exercise
it. You have to walk out of your
discomfort. Trust what you're hearing, do
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the research. And that's why not only do I
teach and have bus tours, now wehave a big conference.
So we're going to give them tools like we have breakout
rooms. One room is just talking about
certificates of analysis becausethey need purity.
They need to know that they're going to get better and not
worse. And there's not, there's not
(15:47):
toxins or bad stuff in there, you know, And so they, they
sort, they put marijuana in withthe devil's weed, like it
couldn't be good. It's got to be toxic.
It's going to make you worse outof control, look stupid.
And, and you know what I'm thereto say.
It's going to make you come online.
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It's going to make you excited about life again.
It's going to make people go, what are you doing?
Because you're, you're amazing. Give me your secret and we all
want to share when we got something that's just working
like amazing. 100% right. Do you have any red flags for
seniors on blood thinners or sedatives?
(16:29):
Of course. Maybe things to avoid tonight?
Yeah, so, so I'm lately talking about the non intoxicating
substances that are excreted from the plant because they're
concerned about falling. They're, they don't look stupid.
I mean, they don't want to feel like this drink 2 martinis, but
they don't want the pain that they want to be able to sleep.
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They don't want to deal with anxiety.
They want to preserve their memory.
So I'm like, OK, so this is whatwe're going to do.
And I individualized it to each elder and their complaint, I
only introduced one product. I asked them to commit for 90
days. It's an experiment.
And what I tell them is The Dirty secret of medicine is, is
as doctors, we're experimenting on you.
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Why do you think you come back every two to four weeks?
We're using pharmalogics in yourpersonal body to see if we can
have the desired effect. And it's standardization, which
in cannabis it isn't, which drives them crazy.
Yeah, because there is no standard so.
And and there's no guarantee that your product is always
(17:34):
going to be at your Dyspo or dispensary.
And so we don't have that like we do in a pharmacy.
So it's kind of Willy nilly, it doesn't seem as professional and
it's just the nature of the beast in this time, in this age,
in cannabis. Well, and that was, I mean,
we've talked about that on another episode because Utah is
(17:56):
a medical only state, but like within medicines, you don't go
to a doctor. And once you find your medicine
that works, they're not like, OK, well, here's this one and
here's this one and this one because, well, your medication
works. So when you go to a Dyspo or a
pharmacy and they don't have your strain, you have to find
(18:17):
other strains or medications that solve your ailments that
still, you know, have the same terpenes or cannabinoid profile
that you're looking for going, oh, this will also help me.
And so it's that bittersweet of,you know, the same cannabinoid
or terpene profile can sometimesfeel less effective on the same
dose over a long period of time.So switching that up is
(18:40):
beneficial. But at the same time, having
that medical consistency of, hey, you know, this same dose,
the same medication should be consistent for me.
But endocannabinoid systems are so unique in how they work and
consistently change, you know, what did you work out today?
What was your diet? You know, everything else.
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But when you think about it, howmany other meds say take with
food? You know, it's kind of the same
thing with cannabis. If you take your medication with
food, you know, something fatty,something like that, you're
going to have a much more whole experience.
Yeah, because cannabis is, it loves fat.
So if we could put fat in the door, when we take cannabis,
(19:23):
you're going to absorb it faster.
But with our elders, their metabolic rate is different.
They absorb slower and they clear it out of their system
slower. So that's why I'm saying low and
slow, and patience is critical. And I'm going to have you go so
slow at first. You're not going to feel like
it's working. But I can't have a bad
(19:44):
experience. And if you've had a bad
experience, I'm here to create apositive experience so that you
want to put your toe in the water again.
Do you titrate them in at night or during the day or depending
on situation? It it's all dependent on the
person, the ailment and what's showing up.
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Because so my grandma, she's 92 now, I, she was chronic
migraines handful of years ago, was prescribed up to fentanyl at
that point. Yeah.
And so my father finally came tome after many arguments of how
pointless and useless cannabis was.
And, you know, all this drug stuff he had been taught and
(20:27):
finally decided that it was worth having a conversation
because it might help his mom and asked me to make her
edibles. But then it was, I was like, no,
like most people who are in thatvery conservative mindset, they
grew up with this. Hey, I don't they didn't take
medications for 90% of things. So they don't want to feel
(20:48):
displaced. They don't need the euphoria or
the high. So they're not looking for that.
And so it was, hey, I don't wantyou to feel that because I know
that's not what you're looking for.
I want you to feel the experience of cannabis that is
removing your ailment, that is putting you at peace without
putting you out of place. And so approaching it, I had
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realized after a lot of research, a lot of places were
like, hey, if you titrate them in at night.
So the first several days, you know, take it at night.
Well, if you have that option, the times that you might
experience the high or the euphoria, well, if that's done
at night, then you might not actually experience that.
(21:31):
And then hopefully after severaldays of taking it at night, you
could start taking it during theday in very slow micro dosing.
So you don't feel that euphoria,but you're still getting the
pain relief, the anxiousness relief, the ability to sleep,
you know, whatever it is withoutgoing to the moon.
Because yes, there's many peoplewho enjoy the feeling or that
(21:51):
euphoria, but there's many people who are not looking for
it. Like you said, when you're that
age, you're worried about takinga step.
You're not worried about, I don't want to feel floaty
because I'm already struggling taking a step in doing this.
Like you want to just feel like you again without all the other
meds, Because how many meds or pills or anythings make you feel
(22:15):
not like yourself? Correct.
Yes, we have an issue with a lotof pills.
And the more I'm out there speaking to the elders, the more
the disgruntled feelings of like, I'm sick of all these
pills and now I'm having side effects and how do I get off of
them? And I'm like, I'm not here to
take you off of any medications.That's between you and your
(22:36):
doctor. What we're talking about today
is how to augment support and help your system work more
effectively. And we're going to stoke a
chemical system in your body that no doctor or nurse or
veterinarian knows for your pets.
That's probably in a deficiency and that's why the ailment is
(22:56):
showing up and it it goes with your genetic predisposition.
So I'll work through a room and say maybe in you it's depression
and you in your 30s it was infertility, in him it's
Parkinson's and over here in herit's rheumatoid arthritis.
It shows up in different ways. And so we can work with that,
(23:16):
but it takes a lot of guts to take your health in your own
hands. I met two women who one had
fibromyalgia, 1 multiple sclerosis and I worked six years
in a dispensary so I could learnthe industry and they told me
they were on no pharmaceuticals.They methodically worked to
learn cannabis, to change what was going on, and then they
(23:38):
worked with their doctor to takethe pharmaceuticals out.
And I'm like, you are a champion.
That's impressive. It's a lot super.
Impressive. It's a lot of dedication, yes,
because it takes work to do that.
Yeah, but even on the other side, it's I think that's one of
the great things and I love whatyou're saying it.
I mean that goes along with whatBrandon and I have been saying
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since the beginning, low and slow.
But what's great is that they once they start to see the
difference, they want that that all those gates that were in
front of their mind before of how this was painted as
something bad, how this was likeeverybody that I've talked to
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that starts to use cannabis in one way or another, whether it's
CBDTHCA blend of everything, they always go, why is this
illegal? Like, I know, right?
And I agree with you too. I, I believe that
pharmaceuticals and cannabis canmarry really well.
I, I know in the health and in the health insurance industry,
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you know, people who tend to usecannabis on a daily basis are
far less likely to be ill, to have a high BMI, to suffer from
anxiety. I mean, all these things have
changed my life. Literally the anxiety was making
my body sick. And, and so now, like when I, I
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look at this, it's like I get soexcited, especially when I hear
about elderly people, because I was saying that before we got on
the call. Was that, that movie in the 80s
Cocoon where the, I mean, everybody, if you haven't seen
this, go find it. It's, it's an awesome movie.
It's these, they find these likealien pods and they put them
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like in this community pool and they would swim around and
they're all like getting youthful and having fun and, and
finding romance again. And it's the idea that it'll
make them slower or it'll make them Dumber or people will judge
them. They realize that it's a another
gateway into actually being a fountain of youth for many of
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them. You know, I mean, when you said
old, you were. I was just like, no way.
Because you look so young. And I think that's what it is.
It's, it's that what you had stated before, endocannabinoid
system is starved, it is malnourished.
And once you start to feed it in, it's like those little bits
of code in the matrix start being put into there and things
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start to make sense. And you're like, oh, well, I'm
going to push this a little bit further.
How far does this rabbit hole go?
Right. And I give my card out, my cell
phone's on it. I'm like, I'm a phone call away.
Because your body's going to kind of get used to what you're
putting in the door and you're going to have to change it up,
which could create some anxiety.But I'm here for you to help you
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with that, to gain the confidence.
Then you can take off and just sail.
So, but yeah, it's, it's all processed and it's about coming
alongside one another and supporting one another.
Yeah. Do you have a protocol for if
someone gets too high at home? Well, I have the.
Luxury of a gentleman who created a product called Undo
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and it's in our smoke shops. So if if you're too high, it's
olatolic acid, it's 22 pills, 16ounces of water.
It will clear your receptors, kind of make you feel like
you're back at home. So I always have some in, you
know, my home. But I tell every elder never go
into a smoke shop to buy an edible or any product if you can
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help it. Unless you want papers, unless
you want a bong or you want to get undo.
But I had a terrible story come to me from a pH pharmacist who's
in cannabis in Chicago and I shehad a 78 year old woman who went
into a smoke shop and was told by the person in there to buy
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this 450 milligram edible that was equal parts of THCP, which
I've never heard of. And I looked up.
THCP when I'm on the phone with her and I'm like going are you
kidding me? That's a synthetic cannabis and
she was in the hospital. She barely could get call 911,
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open the door. It's an atrocity.
And I'm like, that gives our industry a bad rap, you know,
and we we can't have that happen.
It's all those synthetic. Cannabinoids, those are really
what caused so many problems. Yeah, it's it's anything in
smoke shops. There's ones here in Utah called
Kush Cubes that are sold all over and they're sold at head
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shops. They're sold at like normal
grocery stores and stuff. They're like delta 8 and other
synthetic ones all blended into a gummy, but they're like 200
like I I don't know, they're wayhigher dose than they should be
and they're all synthetic and people are like, oh, these are
great. I'm like, it's just garbage
you're putting in your body. But sure, there's way better
quality that you could actually get instead of this weird
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synthetic product, right? So.
We go at length about purity certificate of analysis.
How do you access that with yourphone?
You take a picture on the QR code so that you have Peace of
Mind with that product and theredoesn't have to be any anxiety.
There's not going to be herbicide residue, pesticide
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residue, solvent, is there bacteria, mold, how much THC is
in there? How much CBG, how much CBDI?
Mean it's really necessary and you don't get that in a smoke
shop, no. What's the biggest thing that
you have them look for on the COAI would say it would.
Be for the hypersensitive person, any solvent residue
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'cause that could be a neurotoxin.
And we already have enough issues with peripheral
neuropathy and Parkinson's and Alzheimer's.
So, and as we're older, our cells are less resilient and
they're more fragile, so they'remore apt to like hold onto a
toxin and not be able to let go of it.
Is there a specific product? That you recommend seniors stay
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away from smoke shops. Yeah, and.
I'm not a big fan of. Smoking.
OK. A lot of these elders smoke
cigarettes. They don't want to get that oral
fixation. I'm like, you don't have to go
there because I do have issue with like if I started smoking
at 20, what would my lungs look like when I'm now 67?
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So I mean, we have to like balance it, right?
And so it, we don't know what that looks like.
We're we're in the a new realityand your generation is going to
uncover that. I might be gone by then.
And so we'll learn more. Yeah, I've been very.
Curious long term effects of like cannabis smoking versus
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because they have it for cigarette smoking, but then they
also notice that, hey, if you stop smoking flame the flower
with cannabis, the bronchial effects and that that have
overcome the lungs kind of dissipate.
So very again, just have to waitand see what science and data
supports over time. But that's a very something
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that's always been curious in the back of my mind, but I don't
have the information yet to haveany way to know.
I like not. Starting an elder on THC unless
they're already consuming because I need a non
intoxicating substance whether it's CBDCBGCBN which is a little
intoxicating CBC even CBDATHCVI mean I can talk to alphabet soup
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but it's all about goodness of fit for that elder and.
Then people come out of my I'm. Like you don't have to write
anything. It's all there for you.
And I always start my talks withthere's a lot of information.
You don't have to grab a hold ofeverything.
Whatever sticks, let it stick. It's a process.
We're all learning. There's so much to know.
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We can't even keep up the rest of us who are in this industry.
So be kind to yourself. So what's been?
One of the funniest. Moments on a dispensary tour
that's kind of changed a bunch of minds all at once Oh well on
the. Dispensary tours they get
totally spoiled so if they don'thave a van or a bus, we rent a
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56 seater bus with a left 56 seater.
Wow, yeah, that's a big bus. So I could take scooters.
Walkers. Wheelchairs.
Because they can't. Some of them can't even go up
the stairs. OK, they don't.
Have the quad. The leg strength, the butt
strength. So when we get into the
dispensary, they're almost like children because they just
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become playful and they're just all excited and they've already
had a lecture and so they know. And then I meet with each one
and I go up to the bud tender. There's no pressure to buy.
We usually give a tour. Sometimes there's a grow that
they can see through a window. A lot of the dispensaries will
feed them lunch, but when they get back on the bus is when the
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fun starts. Because then they start talking
about everything they learned and what they bought and what
they're going to do and how they're going to compare notes
and how they can't wait to start.
And when you're going to start your gummies or when are you
going to start your oil. And it's, it's just fun to
watch. It's like there's there's
suffering and there's no joy. And all of a sudden they have
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empowerment. They're like, I can change this
equation for me. Oh, you're kidding.
No, you can simple one product. So when did?
Cannabis enter your world. Cannabis entered my.
World As a teenager, I smoked itand didn't like it because it
made me have the munchies and I was kind of a little chubby and
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I was like, I don't want to eat like these pink puff things.
I hate them and why am I shovingthat in my mouth?
Are those snowball? Things I'm like, I'm shoving
this in my. Mouth I don't want this.
So then I went into medicine andI was also a missionary, so I
was highly religious, so whole. And so I've done a whole 180.
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I did addiction medicine. I saw cannabis as a gateway
drug. I come from a lineage of
addiction, so I thought I'm going to serve the addict.
I'm not going to judge them because it could be me, but I'm
not an addictive personality andso I saw it as a gateway drug.
When I closed my medical practice, a patient said she got
a dispensary license and would Icome work for her.
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And I said, oh, and then I told myself, you have a PhD.
Don't believe what you were told.
You go in and do the research. And when I saw the research, I
became a rebel. Like, they lied to us.
How dare them? Yeah, Now I got to tell
everybody. That's basically what it.
Was when I learned I was just like Oh my God, did you guys
know this? It wasn't even, I didn't tell my
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family that I consumed cannabis for probably like 4 years, but I
educated the hell out of them. And then after that I was like,
it was finally at like a family dinner on Sunday with my whole
family around and they were talking about something.
I'm like, you guys would probably never know, but every
single time that you guys have seen me for the last five years,
I would be what you guys might classify as high.
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And they're like what? Like yeah, I smoke every time
before I come like and they're like, no way.
I'm like, yeah, like it's, it's not what you guys have been
thinking, right? Now do I vape and do I smoke
flour? Yes, but I don't do it on a
regular basis. I'm really an edible queen.
And and when I start my lectures, I talk about how I
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have 3 flaws that require addictive medication.
So I'm a I'm a human with credentials and so I'm like I
have anxiety. I don't want to be on
benzodiazepines. OK, I choose CBG.
I have a neurodivergent brain. I have ADHDI don't want to go on
amphetamines or Adderall. I would rather use CBD to rewire
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my brain. I have insomnia 'cause I have
this hyper brain. I was on Ambien in my medical
practice. Guess what?
I couldn't remember total meetings.
I couldn't remember who was in the meeting and what I sat.
My business partner said you're creeping me out.
You got to get off that Med. At that time I was burned out,
closed the practice. And when I went into cannabis,
I'm like, I got to sleep. So Ambien, any sleep Med, I was
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on Ambien. Ambien will erase your short
term memory, which it did for me.
But any sleep Med can predisposethis 40% to dementia.
And then I had a patient show upin the dispensary.
He goes, you have no idea what happened to my family.
I go, what happened? He goes, my brother-in-law gets
up at 3:00 AM, he's on Ambien, shaves, puts a suit on, starts
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driving to work, he's sleepwalking.
He goes head on into a woman, hekills her instantly.
But he was so well to do. He settled out of court.
I said he should have gone afterthe pharmaceutical company
because this is a known side effect.
So so people will go, how could you be a doctor and you embrace
cannabis? It's because I don't want to be
an addictive medications. I want to take it naturally and
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change my Physiology on my own terms.
We're all. No, Ambien is horrible.
I I mean, there's the funny things, you know, people like to
laugh about, but the short term memory loss.
My father used to abuse it so much he would call my sister at
3:00 AM singing Beatles songs have no.
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Memory. Of it I was, I was taking it for
a while and then when I was sitting down with my friends and
it kicked in. It's a hallucinogen in the worst
way. It is nowhere near like
psilocybin, any of that. Because the feeling was so
synthetic and everything was distorted and I was like, I am
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never touching this again. But you're exactly right.
Where people suffer from insomnia so much and they're
like, I don't want to get high. Absolutely CBN, absolutely.
Let's put that into you. And, and the talk about CBCBG,
like I, I don't take enough of that.
I have ADHD and you know, but it, you know, cannabis, the
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regular amount of cannabis I'm getting, you know, bits of that
one because Brandon and I are very much on the flower and, and
how that affects our body. But yeah, I, I just, I am so
excited that you do this. Do you, do you just travel all
over, all over spreading this word?
I have 35. 1000 miles on my brand new car, one year old
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that's. Well done.
Bravo. That's how much driving I'm
doing. How's your back after that?
It's great. I move.
I exercise, I move and groove. Yeah, so that is so.
So are you, are you taking this anywhere else?
Well, we would. Love to, but we're, we're only
eight people in our company. We're attached to a
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bioscientific company. We want to do a pharmacokinetic
study to look at, you know, the fact that we're precision
dosing, you know, we're nanotechnology, liposomal.
We want to show the US public that we really truly deliver
consistently. And so that takes money and
time. So we're in process as a
company. We want to go to other states.
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We're negotiating that possibility because there are
some dispensaries we're aligned with that are in states with
massive elders. And so there's talk about moving
me to another state to start getting it going, but it's all
timing, you know, and when you're starting.
Yeah, go ahead. No, no, no, I, I'm.
Sorry, ADH DS grabbed me. I, I wanted to ask you this
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because I, I'm, I'm just thinking about a lot of our
listeners are typically, you know, my age, middle age and up
because they're so curious aboutit.
So is there, do you have conferences where people come
from all over right now? Well, no.
This is our. First conference for the modern
elder. OK, if it works in Phoenix,
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we're going to Tucson. They're begging us down and
we're going north to Flagstaff. And, and the fact that
Missouri's flying in to see how to do it is just amazing because
it's pretty exciting. They have a great elder
population. We're looking at Florida.
I mean, we'll see, time will tell, but so awesome.
How can? We help.
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Well, I'm going to send Brandon all of our stuff about the
Modern Elder Collective, A Wellness Expo.
Is that the name? Of your Expo, the Modern Elder
Collective. OK, so we have.
Doctor Seuss. Sisley her stuff will be in the
show. Notes Yeah, yeah, yeah, Dee.
She's got. Federally funded research in
Scottsdale, AZ looking at PTSD in veterans using cannabis.
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She's opening the conference conference.
I'm ending the conference with the whole panel of elders
talking about how do they use cannabis for their medical
ailments and what their journeysbeen.
Because they need to hear from peers.
I'm one voice, but they need to hear it from their peers.
Yeah. What the experience?
Has been how it's worked for them.
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There's a lot of breakout. Yeah, we have.
Breakout rooms, so in one room, certificates of analysis, one
room's just edibles. We have cannabis bingo with
prizes. We have dancers with silk fans.
We have painting stations blowing bubbles.
We're going to bring joy, we're going to have fun.
It's our. Time.
To play, I don't care how old you are, especially.
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I just keep thinking like. Man, I think about our audience
too, you know, even the younger,younger generation around
Brandon's age. Like, you've got parents who are
the boomer generation and just think about their quality of
life right now. Think about what they're not
doing. They're slowly slipping into
senility. I have yet to meet an elder who
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uses cannabis who's sitting around.
They don't. They don't.
They're out. They're like, this is a new
lease on life. So if if you have a parent, a
grandparent who is going, you know, I, I don't want to see him
keep taking meds and just slowlyslipping away.
This is not who I want to remember.
And I'm sure they don't want to be remembered that way either.
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No, and I'm even. Speaking to staff and assisted
living and Hospice. Why?
Because assisted living, Having any kind of caregiver has an
amazing influence on an elder. So if an elder is taking a gummy
and it's working, but a caregiver makes a judgmental
statement, they'll quit it. So I'm like, assisted living
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can't give cannabis, but if an elder goes home for a holiday
like Thanksgiving and the familymedicates them with an edible
for sleep and it was amazing. And they're like, we want to
give it to our loved 1 to medicate on their own.
You know, they might Pooh Pooh that you know, And so I'm
talking to them. Hospice is another place.
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It's an amazing way for pain relief foreclosure between US
and our loved 1 so that we can deal with our anxiety and our
grief, but say goodbye and keep them awake and that comatose
with opioids. So there's so many ways that we
can maneuver that people don't consider with this plan.
Do you find that? There are is a lot of pushback
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from the assisted living centersin having cannabis like self
medicating on their own well. There's pushback 'cause they're
federally funded and all of the medications are are given by a a
licensed person so they can't hand them cannabis cause in the
federalized it's schedule 1 they'd have to self medicate.
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Yeah, they'd have to self medicate.
So is it just a lot? Of pushback from the assisted
living centers or more from the caregivers?
On that level, do you feel it's more from administration?
And we need to honor that and value that because of the the
legality and the politics of ourday and age.
And I'm not judging it, but I still want to inform the
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caregivers because that caregiver is going to get older
if they're lucky and they might want to use cannabis for their
own personal function and quality.
So it's not wasted time and energy.
Not at all. No, it's.
Just continuous education, and the more people we educate, the
more that it can change, absolutely.
Yeah, that's. Amazing.
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It is so amazing to hear this, especially for those who are
listening. I mean, this needs to be shared
over and over. You know, Doc coming on here, I
mean, I, I was, I was so thrilled.
You know, I have 10 years of working in the mental health
field and the majority of that was working with seniors with
dementia, with schizophrenia, all these different things.
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And all they did to him, I had to watch.
And they fill a little Dixie cupabout this big full of meds to
the brim and they would drool onthemselves.
They would defecate on themselves like they didn't live
a quality of life. I, I wouldn't want to be that
way going, you know, and like you said, it's a, it's a, it's
such a calming way to be able to, for everybody to while,
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while a loved one is passing it,there's nothing to do doing pain
management in a way where you can be coherent, right.
Well, here's the thing. You guys know how to age
gracefully using this plant. The elders right now don't
unless they've been consuming since they were young or they
picked it up in their late 50s, early 60s.
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OK, But here's the problem. They've been brainwashed into
thinking that the US government is going to take care of them
and provide for them and that they don't have to do anything.
And when I come on the scene, they're like, wow, you're kind
of like, they don't call me abrasive, but they're like whoa.
And I'm like, if you don't like your current physical situation,
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you can change it. And this is 1 tiny way with the
botanical. It's not going to work fast like
a pharmaceutical because it's not synthetic.
But your body knows the difference between natural and
synthetic. And the more natural we can get,
the better. But again, I don't want them
smoking, but I can teach them how to make cannabis butter, how
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to make cream, pain cream with cannabis.
There's so many ways we can use this plant for our lives to fit
into whatever is going on. Yeah.
So. In like 55 older assisted living
center say a senior's trying to consider cannabis.
Is there something that you would recommend they not
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approach cannabis? If they have, well, I'm mostly
an independent. Living and not assisted living
OK so an assistant I'm talking to staff so an independent.
I'm asking them never to go intoa smoke shop.
I'm asking them to not Oh no sorry like if.
Is there a specific ailment likeif they have or like, hey, if
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they're using this like hey, don't, don't use cannabis
because it really doesn't work well if you're macular
degeneration. It's not going to do anything
for that tinnitus, ringing in the ears.
It's not going to do anything for that.
They're like, what can you give me?
I go, I can't give you anything.This plant is not a miracle
worker. It's not an end all.
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It's not going to make you a brand new person.
It's, you know, it just isn't, so that doesn't fix it.
Is. There anything that like they
would be worried about like hey I I've got this element or I'm
taking this medication cannabis interacts horribly with it so
don't like so there's medications that we.
Need to be respectful of cause. Medications are processed
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through the liver through enzymepathways, and some of the
cannabis products go through thesame enzyme pathways as those
pharmaceuticals. And when you put them in at the
same time, the pharmaceutical that their medical doctor
prescribed that they're paying good money for may not be
absorbed efficiently or adequately binding to the same
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receptors. Because it's already taken,
right? Right.
So we really need to honor that.And so a lot of medications that
say no grapefruit are the ones that we're concerned about.
And that's because they go through those pathways.
So unlike blood thinners are an issue, you have to go 2 hours
either side of those, OK, because they they'll compete
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through that pathway. High cholesterol meds, high
heartburn meds, GERD meds, gastroesophageal reflux meds and
antipsychotics. So I'm not here to disrupt what
they're doing with their medicaldoctor.
I'm here to support it, but theyneed to be aware of that now.
Most medical doctors don't know anything about cannabis.
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They can't talk about it. They're.
Not trained. In it, unless it's a hobby
they're consuming or there's a family member or some situation
in their life or they've done their own independent.
Study because it's not educated about within medical school, so
I'm always telling. Elders, tell your doctor you're
taking it. We need to rub off on them
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because after a while they'll start hearing all these positive
responses and say I think you need to keep doing that.
That's really good. Don't stop.
I'm hearing good things. So as a community, we need to
rub off on them and share. Yeah, Yeah.
Yeah, I had. A and say I, I everybody knows
in the last episode that I had issues with my eyes, my corneas
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and all that. But when I was there while
they're shutting needles in my eyes, which I'm so glad that
they did because they they savedmy vision.
But I was telling them about like, they go, do you take any
medications? And I go through the medications
I'm on and they go, oh, OK, and do you smoke?
And I said cannabis and the guy.Goes.
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Oh, I'm like, yeah, you should hear my podcast.
And then he opened up to me and then he stopped me on the way
out. It was, it was a Meadows.
He's like, hey, can I get the name of your show?
I really want to learn about it.And then even the doctor that
came in and shoved it in there, he's like, you're going to be
OK. I'm like, hey, he goes, do you
need a prescription for pain meds?
Sometimes this hurt. And I said, no, I haven't taken
pain meds in over 10 years. And he goes nothing.
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And I'm like, well, Tylenol, ibuprofen randomly, but it's
mostly cannabis for me. And he's like, really?
And he took my podcast too because he was just like, you
know, I'm willing to learn aboutit.
And I'm seeing that more in the medical profession, especially
where they get to deal with the elderly more.
They're like, I'm giving them somany meds and I know a lot of
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them aren't happy with it eitherbecause I know that the
insurance company is the one who's actually practicing
medicine, not the doctor. So it's you.
When you're able to introduce Natural Ageless, it's been
around forever. By utilizing that when you're
understanding that it's not going to change your life by any
means, but it's going to be ableto make it a better life, which
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to everybody, that's why they go, oh, it's a miracle.
It's done all these things. And I'm like, yeah, being here,
but you got to keep working. You can't, you can't just expect
it to do all the heavy lifting for you.
And, and I used to do that. I mean, Brandon knows that.
So it's like, it's been such a, oh, this has been so amazing
being able to talk to you about all of this.
And I, I honestly can't imagine that one, Brandon, who was the
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guy that we talked to in California that has those very
unique dosing with CBD. What was that guy's name?
Oh, you're talking about RSO? Protocols.
Yeah. What's his name?
How do RSO protocols you would love?
Talking to her, he has got so many amazing stories of that's
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awesome working with people. But I think you guys definitely
need to meet because oh man, Brandon, we got to get.
I have to go back and find the episode.
I honestly that's terrible. I remember, can't remember his
name exactly what you were talking about.
Yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm. Drawing a blank too.
Damn you marijuana taking my butno.
Seriously, I I. Think that one, that should
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definitely happen in two. I figured that this needs to be
able to get out there more often.
There are other physicians just like you who are coming into the
fold. And I, I really think that this
is the catalyst of what's reallygoing to start taking off and,
and helping our elderly, you know, that's going to
dramatically cut down their pharmaceutical needs.
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And if people know this, like ifyou guys are able to introduce
this into your lives, you got tothink about why.
OK, just, I'm going to give somefaction.
I just talked to a friend out inOregon.
He is on the Affordable Care Plan, Affordable Care Act,
right? It has got his, has gone up to
133%. It was $60 to cover himself and
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now it's 240 a month. And I said, yeah, that's just
there now at the pump, you're going to be paying more when
when cannabis is introduced. It works well with the medicine,
but you're able to cut down on pharmaceuticals, which starts if
everybody starts. I mean, I know Brandon and I
would tell everybody should be using this in one way form or
(52:44):
another. But really it it would be able
to lower the cost of so many things.
And what would it do for the seniors of tomorrow?
What would that do? What we would be in such AI mean
I I dream of a world like you dowhere you could be able to see
where cannabis is in medicine inconstant practice.
Well, it was. Back in 1850, but it came out of
(53:06):
the US Pharmacopeia in 1943, so everybody knew it as cannabis
but not as marijuana. Yeah, well, it was in 80% of.
Over the counter medications. So it's it was a normal thing
for everyone and then it became this demonized marijuana and
everyone's like what the hell isthis?
I should be scared, as my government told me so it's all
economic, I. Know so.
(53:28):
Say I'm the grandson and I'm going with my Nana to the
dispensary. Good.
What should I say at the counterto help her feel safe and not
overwhelmed so you could tell the.
Budtender, we're here today because Nana has a medical
problem and we need help. How can you help us?
And here's the problem. I think that's.
Perfect. That's exactly the way to do it.
(53:49):
And hopefully your bud tender orpharmacist has enough education
that they can really speak to that well in the state of.
Arizona, I'm also training bud tenders and all the
dispensaries. Oh, good.
You know why? Because some of them are totally
disrespectful and they don't even know it.
They come off like, hey man, howcan I get you high Sativa
(54:11):
hybrid, indica and the elder, they're talking fast, they're
mumbling, there's no eye contact.
I'm like, we can't have that, OK?
We, our industry is down by 30%.This is a whole group, a cadre
of people who are suffering needlessly.
Do you know if we built loyal customers, what that could do to
(54:32):
your job security and to the industry?
Not even talking the changing quality of life like.
So let's just take a back seat and let me just tell you
something about how special you are as a bud tender.
And a lot of elders go, what's abud tender?
I'm like, well, a bartender tenders or serves you alcohol.
(54:54):
A bud tender serves you wheat, sells you wheat.
Oh, OK. So, you know, there's just
basics that have to go on, but it's just, it's just, it's just,
it is so fun. It's an exploration together,
Nana and you, you know, and thenit's one thing only.
And maybe even writing it down so that she remembers when and
(55:17):
where to take it and how to takeit.
Like if she gets an oil or a tincture, I don't want her
getting upset if some of it wentdown her throat.
That's OK. We don't live in a perfect
world, you know what I mean, at least.
It's going in the door. I like that but.
But tenders are. Special people.
Why? Because doctors in America are
(55:38):
so pressured, they don't always have the luxury of time.
And I said to a vast majority ofyou might spend more time with
an elder than their doctor does.Some of their doctors have
already wrote the script, openedthe door, and they're saying
we're done in a very They're notsaying it verbally, they're
saying it with their actions. Yeah.
I need you. Listening, I need you being
(56:00):
patient I said they're hungry tocommunicate and to connect and
you matter and when I put it that way, it just is a game
changer they're like, Oh my gosh, I kind of like my job I
go, you're amazing and we need you right here right now.
Our elders need you. I don't want to be a.
(56:22):
Budtender, but like I feel it would be such an incredible
experience to truly connect on that level.
Like hey, what do you actually need?
Because I know that I would really want to genuinely help
them on like the real estate level instead of just like, oh,
let's get you a high. It's.
Like there's. So much.
(56:43):
Even with anyone who uses cannabis on a high level,
there's way more to it than that.
That's such a naive perspective,right?
And there's there's example after example I could give you.
I had a 42 year old man walk to me through a cornfield and told
(57:03):
me he was thrown through the front windshield of his car and
it's taken him over a year to rewalk and talk and he's in
total pain. And I said take a seat.
He goes. I said I can't get up.
I go take a seat, OK? I said, I'll get men and pick
you up. I said, you're going to take
this product. I didn't even ask him.
I gave him Rick Simpson oil. I said, you're going to take a
(57:25):
little grain of rice, put it inside your cheek.
We just kept talking. And then when we were done and
we did the consultation, he stood right up.
And then he started crying. He goes, what?
I go, you have a major deficiency, and this plant is
showing you how it can deliver. It changed its entire life.
Yeah, with a. Simple grain size A simple
(57:47):
grain. Inside his mouth now he's
changed it up, but that's how hestarted.
This is amazing, thank. You thank you so much for what
you are doing right now. Seriously, because that's, you
know, this we we, we created this show, Brandon and I to
educate people. Yeah, it got a little Stony
(58:07):
every once in a while and that'sjust how it is.
But honestly, the, the amount ofpeople who are interacting with
us on this level now where they're coming and they're
listening to I just, you know, one of our our fans reached out
to me on Facebook said, oh, I'm so sorry.
I don't want to reach out to you.
I'm like, no, I sent her a voicememo like, hey, you're awesome.
(58:28):
Like this is great. Keep talking about this is
spread it around because people need to get rid of the stigma
that this is something bad. This is going to hurt you and
people aren't going to like you.Matter of fact, a lot more
people are going to like you. You're going to stop being such
a grumpy old ass and you're going to start being cool with
people going man. Like the idea that I, I know too
(58:48):
many, too many elderly that are just they're just bitter.
They're not angry. They're just bitter because
they're exactly what you said. They were full.
They were sold a bag of lies andnow they're old and now they're
they're having a hard life and now they're having to fight with
the government to go. And why can't you cover my bunch
(59:09):
of medications that my body really doesn't want, Right?
Yeah. We're having a blast.
I'm even talking to them about making their own edibles with
different strains for their sexual life.
Are you kidding? Me.
Oh my gosh, I'm like, oh, you can have fun.
Let me tell you, Senior sex. Classes.
There you go. Yeah, it's beautiful.
So I mean like. So what's your strain that you?
(59:31):
Recommend for senior sex. There's a lot of strains it just
gastropop is really good, Melanade is really good.
Jesus, juice is really I'll leave it.
Here in a second. Jesus, Juice.
Yeah, you got to play. And just put it in edibles and
check it out. I just I haven't heard of.
Jesus juice, the strain. That sounds fantastic.
(59:52):
It's here in Arizona. You need to make a road trip.
So you have to teach. People how to look up the
strains and if it says aroused is the number one thing, I'm
like that's it. Test it.
Test it in your body with your partner and see what the results
are. We always have so much.
Fun. Whenever we do an episode and
it's a strain review and the topthing's aroused and it's like,
(01:00:14):
are you hard? I am.
Oh my gosh, like. So, and you would be amazed at
how many older men would come inand say, I have a new partner.
What can you help me with? And you know, at first I was, it
was hard to figure it out. But now I've been doing it and
it's like, oh, you have to be able to make it yourself.
Are you OK with that? I'll have my woman make it.
Thank you. I mean one.
(01:00:35):
For coming on our show, but moreimportantly, thank you for
developing this relationship with us to be able to educate
more people about this we have wanted.
I mean, because of Brandon's grandmother, we have really,
really, really wanted more elderly to be able to experience
this. And I love your approach.
(01:00:55):
It's something that we would definitely love to be a part of
and come and speak as well to really kind of go from a a very
different perspectives. And I think it would be able to
change it up. But more importantly, like I am
just so excited to hear your process and how you engage with
them because it really it makes me smile about that whole.
(01:01:17):
I would love to be in a dispensary out there with this
whole bus of senior citizens. I mean, this would be it's on
Instagram we've. Got it.
Life is chill. Instagram follow up coming off
with elders and they're all happy and they get swag bags and
all these samples and it's fun. Doctor Dana for the.
Family listening with grandma. Give them one tiny experiment to
(01:01:39):
run this week. Measurable, kind, reversible.
If it helps, keep it. If it doesn't, they can stop.
CBG helps. With anxiety, helps with pain,
helps with glaucoma, high eye pressure, and helps with
terrible gut problems. Awesome, you've got to.
Have something? In that for that would be
affected by CBG non intoxicatingwill not show up in your blood
(01:02:02):
and will make you be a better person.
Awesome. Well, thanks for leaving that we
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