October 16, 2025 • 54 mins
This sesh starts mellow with Moxie’s Buzz GMO x Red Velvet and quickly spins into a full-on philosophy jam. We talk rejection, self-help vs self-delusion, Dutch kickboxing pain tolerance, and why “next” might be the best motivational word ever written on an index card.
From growing up in Utah Mormon culture to unlearning shame around swearing, this one hits every note — funny, deep, and way too real. Also, Brandon’s homemade THC balm makes an appearance, because of course it does.
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• How cannabis can shift your mindset from fear to curiosity.
• Why rejection sucks — and why it still shouldn’t stop you.
• The secret connection between martial arts and emotional growth.
• How tone shapes relationships more than words ever will.
• A brutally honest look at religion, culture, and learning to think for yourself.
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(00:02):
I'm Brandon. And I'm Jesse, we're cannabis
school. Having cannabis infused
conversations. With everyday people.
Cannabis companies. Celebrities.
And your mom? Welcome to the Sash.
Oh man, I'm I'm pretty high now,all right?
Oh, you mean still? Yeah dude, like it's actually
settling in a more so now it feels more like an indica.
(00:26):
Yeah, I'm pretty excited for where this is going to take me.
Earlier I was, when I was smoking it, it was very
uplifting. I was kind of shocked.
And when you were telling me theterpenes so I was like, oh.
Yeah, right. That's crazy.
It starts out pretty like elevated, pretty nice, pretty
heady, and then it gets into a little more relaxed.
(00:48):
This is still Buzz, GMO and Red Velvet.
This is pretty good one. And welcome to the sesh.
Yeah, the sesh so today. Jesse's feeling it.
Like he said, he's feeling quitepleasant already.
Well, it's like slowing me down a little bit.
I might need to smoke something else here in a little while.
You. Should grab that delicious stone
(01:08):
box next to you on the thing right there that has all of my
concentrates that aren't legacy.And we've got a lovely
selection. Thank you to Frank over at
Moxie. If you guys haven't heard, we'll
put in a link below for shook nasty beats.
He's also got Ray Trebolo now, but he's got.
Yeah, Ray Trebolo's awesome some.
(01:30):
Sweet beats in there so if trance or depends on.
He's got a wide variety of music, so you'll have to check
it out below, but. This is awful.
Like at the first thing I pull it out it says gas guzzler.
Oh yeah. But that's the hybrid, isn't it?
Or is that the indica top left of the sticker indica?
OK, permanent marker is a hybridin there.
I thought permanent marker wouldbe more of an indica.
(01:53):
Yeah, I love permanent marker that.
Stuff's strong. That is such a nice one for my
back. Oh there is Super Lemon Haze has
a. Bunch.
Left, we can do that. Yeah, I'm going to hit some of
that. Super Lemon Haze is always a
lovely one. Oh, dude, it's a great one.
It's it's a great uplifting one.It's a work strain for sure.
(02:14):
If you're very heady, maybe you got a call block you're getting
through. You know, I've noticed that
whenever I have a good sativa, Ican get through a call block
pretty well because I'm so happy.
And at the same time, when somebody says no to me, I just
go, yeah, I I heard the best advice.
It was listening to his book called Fanatical Prospecting my
(02:36):
my supervisor. He the coolest guy in the the
coolest boss I've ever had, coolest boss.
And he was just like he's recommending this book.
He's like, I'm not telling you do he's like, we're going to
review it, but this is a good thing and we're going to go
chapter by chapter learning about it and it just it helped a
lot. But it was the best part in
there was this guy says I developed this card that I have
(03:01):
it. It's followed me for 25 years
and it's a little, little tiny, you know, index card.
And he's like, it's turned kind of yellow from all the years.
And it's the best motivator for me to get to the next call and
to not let that rejection get tome.
And I'm like, OK, he's going to have some like motivational
(03:23):
thing, right? Nope.
It says the word next, just next.
And I feel that like with because one of the things that I
really liked about this book. That's cool though.
Is that he talked about like where most and and this is a
good topic to kind of we'll branch out into other ones.
Self help or self improvement reading right there.
(03:46):
There's a a fine line between self help and self delusion
where you're trying to make yourself believe that these
things are going to be there. But one of the things I really
liked about this author is that he's talking about rejection and
how a lot of other trainers or thought leaders go, you know,
just blow it off, it gets better, don't worry about it.
(04:09):
And he just says, no, it sucks. It does.
He's like, I've been doing it for over 30 years and it still
hurts. It's just the thing that is
easier to remember and maybe noteasier to remember, but I think
probably necessary to remember is don't take it personal.
That's all it is, is yeah, it still sucks.
It still is. Like, oh, shit, They said no.
Oh, man, I got the door slammed into my face.
(04:31):
Oh, they hung up on me. But it's don't take it personal.
It's not you. It's nothing against you.
Usually it's that person wasn't on.
It could have been a million people calling them.
Well, exactly. And, and on top of that, it's
not just that all these people are reaching out to them.
But look, not everybody wants tobuy something or talk to you
(04:52):
about something. And that's OK.
But the one thing I really likedabout that next was yeah.
It reminds, reminds me of growing up every time I'd go
down to my grandparents, my dad's parents in my grandpa's
office and I always looked up tomy grandpa.
My grandparents I thought did amazing things.
Cause to me, I always thought they were wealthy and wealthy.
(05:16):
And what we learned was, oh, that was a success.
And they did all this. And then I learned later how
actually successful my parent, mom's parents were and stuff
like their parents were. Yeah, they were just frugal and
didn't flaunt it. And then my dad's parents were
keeping up with the Joneses and stuff.
But every time I go in his office, all it said was this
(05:36):
plaque, kind of like where you'dsee back in the day, executive
or whatever it says on their thing or their name.
And all it said was do it. It said don't quit basically,
but the do and it and it were like bold and the rest was
lowercase and my grandpa was oneto always just keep working.
(05:58):
It was next. It was you know, it's don't let
this get you down. He they got screwed by a friend
out of. Lot of money.
Millions of dollars, lots of their hard work, and they lost
all of that. And my grandpa, instead of
declaring bankruptcy, still paidall his debts.
He's like, hey, it's going to take me a lot longer because now
(06:19):
I have to do this. But he paid all his debts.
He paid everyone that he owed for all the work they did for
everything, even though he lost everything.
And he was like, hey, and it's just that kind of thing of like
life is hard. The calls are hard sometimes.
So that continuing on it, getting the no, you know, that
is hard, getting rejected over and over again, that that is
(06:41):
tough. But it's that what makes us
strong. What you know, makes us who we
are is that that next, that showing up the next day, it's,
you know, going to the gym. It's doing those things that we
know that we should do that really help make us stronger,
better versions of ourselves. That is fucking hard sometimes
in the moment to just push through.
(07:03):
And and also to kind of like getused to the discomfort, you
know, such as like martial arts or any kind of combative arts.
I've trained those for a really long time and I'm used to the
abuse I'm used to. Being comfortable with the.
Uncomfortable. Yeah, like one of the sick,
twisted things I used to do. One of my favorite fighters
(07:24):
still is, is Boss Rutan. He's the one of The Pioneers in
the sport. Truly a mixed martial artist,
self-taught in a lot of his things like jiu jitsu and stuff
and he competed in MMA fights injiu jitsu with some of the
highest ranked fighters in the world.
So he he was more of. Quite a coffee strain there.
(07:45):
Got him right in the back of thethroat.
Dude, so dry. Super Lemon Haze giving you more
of the cottonmouth than you think the red velvet.
GMO. Oh, 100%.
Interesting. Yeah, I have to sip on fake
coffee when I'm at work to get that.
Out what is your fake coffee? What does that mean?
Is that tea? Decaf.
Oh, I like the flavor. I.
Love the flavor of coffee. Is decaf flavor different than
(08:09):
regular? I've never tried it a little
bit, always been just a little bit worried that it'll not be
coffee. It's more of trying to fool my
body that this is caffeine. When I get to the office, my
body starts yawning. It goes, oh, remember, we're
supposed to get this thing. It's trying, dude.
My body's a fucking. It's a whore.
(08:30):
It's such a whore to caffeine. It goes, well, remember, we're
tired. Get it in, you know, And so I've
been fooling my brain to going when I drink this, it gives me
the same reaction. And I tell myself that when I
drink this, it gives me the samereaction.
And then I drink it and I feel alittle bit perked up.
(08:52):
Well I mean 90% of body stuff isplacebo shit. 100.
Percent. So you look at that and you're
like, if I could tell my body that this is the exact same,
like, why not? And it you, you can't do it
forever. You have to do it for one
specific action. I've learned like I can't say
like, oh, I'll be impervious to pain.
Like what kind of pain? And that's what I was talking
about with Boss Ruten. He he's a Dutch, he's a Dutch
(09:15):
trained kickboxer. And the Dutch boxers are brutal.
They kick tires, which I did, bald tires.
They would kick tractor tires. Big fucking Caterpillar tires.
Those things are dense, Yeah. They're hard as shit.
(09:35):
And they're kicking them with their shins.
And so I've done tons of crazy stuff, like I've done the Coke
bottles, I've done the sticks, I've done the rubbing.
One thing that I used to do was I would plant in the ground
about two feet down, concreted A4 by 4, sand it really good,
get rid of the sharp edges, and I'd kick that motherfucker.
(09:56):
I'd kick it 50 times on my left,50 times on my right, and then I
could train so those I would coach.
I'm like, hey, here's what we do.
Jesus. And dude, some of my guys that I
trained, their shins were like mahogany.
Like when they would check another fighter that would kick
at them, oh, they would just geta goose egg on theirs.
They're like, 'cause they're just kicking heavy bags.
(10:18):
Yeah. Or they have somebody rubbing
us. Rubbing us.
No, you need the brutal lot of. Force of yeah.
And the thing that changes is that the bones in my shin are
still as hard as fucking baseball bats.
But the skin on the outside, it's it's sensitive and you need
(10:38):
to build it up. And the reason why my?
Bones for some reason get harderwhen I there's this magic blue
chew and then my bones get really hard fight whole day.
I thought you were going to quote like, what's his name?
Will Ferrell in acre bed, he goes, feel that.
Does that feel like a giant cock?
And you're like. And Paul Rudds is laughing his
(11:00):
ass off. Yeah.
Man but. When, when you get used to a
certain type of pressure, the one of the things that Dutch
kickboxers do is they do leg conditioning.
So this, this drill and, and Thai boxers do it too.
But I, I really enjoy following the Dutch method.
And So what they'll do is that my lead leg is my left leg, and
(11:21):
so I'll stand out there and then.
Your lead leg. Yeah, when?
Is that what you stand on or what you kick with?
What I stand on I, I, I used to be more of a dominant right leg
kicker, but I have no ACL. Mean that your left is your
stronger leg. No, it's my, it's my defensive
leg. OK, so that one goes out.
I used to just do before I torn a.
(11:42):
Link that with like longboardingor snowboarding and which might
be a dominant 1 and like how? The best way to be able to look
at it is that if you're a right-handed fighter, your right
hand is always the power hand. So your lead leg is your
jabbing. Yeah, support leg.
The thing that I've seen is thatthe best fighters trained to be
amidextrous, and I was very one sided for many, many years.
(12:07):
But one of the things we do, youkick the outside of your leg
just as just a little bit hard, and then you kick the outside of
their lead leg. And then they kick the inside of
your lead leg and you kicked in and you just go to whack, whack,
whack, whack, whack, whack, whack.
And you intensify the pain. And the rule that I had with my
students, this was like 20 yearsover about 18 years ago.
(12:29):
It was the last time when I was teaching one student, he got
really saucy and I said the number one rule is I only give
you. What you gave me.
And he goes, OK, and we're goingboom, boom, boom.
Now here's the sick and twisted thing.
I taught my mind that every timeI got kicked here, it fucking
hurt for about a good year. Like after every class, it's
(12:53):
just bruised. And.
But I'm like, it's OK. It's for a reason.
I'm training up this side to be defensive so I can take a kick.
Even if I can't check it, I can get kicked and going whatever.
Yeah, well, I started to tell myself when I would kick tires
because my students. I was.
I think you enjoyed it. Yeah, that it.
It was like right before I come,that feeling that goes.
(13:16):
Up vinegar. Strokes.
Yeah, dude, dude, check it out. Like it would go up your, you
know, that feeling, it goes up your back and it's almost like
the sensation of, of goosebumps on your skin.
So here's what it got. To a sadist or a masochist.
Both and so it wasn't. Enjoys causing pain and the
other enjoys pain. And that's why I say both,
because the next part of the story was great.
(13:36):
He kicked me so hard that the hair on my arms just stood up
immediately and I became hyper aware.
But I wasn't in pain. I was in.
This is the weird part. I was in like at a slight
ecstasy. I was like oh fuck yeah.
And his eyes went like oh shit. 'Cause it wasn't the reaction he
(14:00):
thought he would get from kicking.
No, he knew it was coming. Next.
I give you what you give me. And when I kicked him, both of
his legs went what they Oops, sorry.
Work head. I just wanted to check level
still. Both my legs got his legs got
swiped out and he couldn't bend his knee on his lead leg for
(14:20):
over an hour. He just sat on the ground.
And every time, because what you're trying to do is cause the
muscle to spasm so you can't useit anymore.
You're not trying to knock him out, You're just trying to keep
that weapon from being used against you.
That's why it's good to hit the arms, not the face.
Everybody goes to the head, liketurn out the light.
(14:40):
Well, what if this guy's a little bigger than me, but he's
slower? I'm going to be punching his
bicep, his forearm. I'm going to be punching on the
outside, maybe tricep. It's a rope, a dope thing that
Muhammad Ali did to George Foreman.
Because then by the third round,George Foreman couldn't lift his
arms up and he thought it was stupid.
He was getting punched in the arms.
(15:00):
But Muhammad Ali knew. I got to work down your
defenses. Your weapons I got to take.
Them away, but he's not. Yeah.
And then he just beat the shit out of them.
And so that long drawn out storyis to say that you can condition
your body to that one. And that's one of the things
that I think the cannabis does to us too, is that we come
preconditioned for a strain nameinstead of the terpenes.
(15:21):
I've noticed that with certain strain names, like Cheetah Piss.
But I know that Cheetah Piss is a second to Super Lemon Haze for
a moxie. Yeah, that's what.
And I love Cheetah piss. Love it, piss in my mouth, I've
said it so many times. I mean we have a product just
for that. Because Synthetics 5 is for all
(15:44):
you kinky people who like someone to piss in your mouth
but just aren't really ready to go that step.
You can just use this synthetic stuff.
Yeah, and if maybe peeing in mouth is not your thing, you can
also use this to make you smarter.
Yeah, help you pass a test or? You know, what's the percentage
that I could expect in taking a test?
I feel like you'd probably score100 on this test.
(16:06):
Fuck yeah. Yeah.
Like good stuff, yeah. So.
There might even be a code to help you pass this test below.
You know, I've actually tried toquantify this and I'm like, how
much is this pee worth? And if you go to the site,
you're going to get a big savings on it.
They've been very generous to Canada school listeners.
But I'm 25%. Yeah, and it can be worth
(16:28):
50,000. 70,000, Eighty 120. Dude, if you have a job where
you could lose money because youcan't pass a test.
Man, that suck. I, I'm at a, I'm at a company
right now where if I didn't passthe test, I wouldn't be there
now and I had to take the test three times.
Luckily with this one, you only got to take it one time.
(16:49):
Yeah, it's great. Works every time.
So go down below Synthetics 5, check out the Q, check out the
code, and go pump test. Yeah, yeah, dude, you smart
motherfucker. You make it a good choice.
La La Synthetics 5. But I love Super Lemon Haze.
It's just put me in the best mood.
It's very heady in comparison. Like it brought it back up.
(17:11):
Yeah. Into it, yeah.
It's good though, it's a good mix.
With the other one it is. It hit you right in the back of
the throat though. Oh yeah, it did made me like
Yep. But anyways, I love the
sensation that cannabis gives you, but I find that sometimes I
got that in my head be earlier on that when I smoke this.
I feel this and I hate to agree with cuz he just he really made
(17:33):
it seem douchey. And I'm not shitting on you Q
Pens. I'm just saying.
But you made like stranger bullshit.
Like yeah, kind of. But now I'm more aware if I go
out of state and I'm visiting a dispensary, I'm gonna look at
the terpenes. Can I look at the terpenes,
please? Yeah.
(17:54):
Do you have a QAAACOA? I'm surprised that certain
states like people don't have all access to that.
Not everywhere gives COAS. Not everywhere gives a label of
here's your terpenes, here's your cannabinoids.
You need to be asking for it that.
Should be your first thing you're putting out.
Well, and and that just goes to show the maturity of the market
(18:16):
that they're in because I believe that mature markets,
California, Colorado, Oregon, Washington, you're going to get
a full list of terpenes of most.Different quality too.
They start focusing on how was this grown?
What were the nutrients or chemicals used?
Was this grown in soil or was this hydroponically grown?
(18:38):
And if it's soil, is it living soil?
Were you using salts or like there's so many different things
that it goes into and then that also effects like experience and
quality and all of that. But that is a more experienced,
educated consumer. Well, but I mean the The thing
is this like you're you're and I'm actually using this bomb
(19:00):
that Brandon lovingly made me. I appreciate that bro, Thank
you. It was actually for a cancer
patient that someone asked. They were like, Hey, how, what
would you recommend? I was like, oh, I actually have
all the products for this. Let me let me make this for you.
So this goes to them today actually.
But this has been like the cleanest, best looking one that
(19:21):
I've ever made so far. I really, I mean, I just had
this neck pain while I'm sittinghere and I'm like, I'm always
slouching in here. It's just 'cause my, I don't
know, I'm just such AI do that at work too.
I know that probably irritates my boss, but I don't.
Care that you slouch. I'm always sitting back.
Why? Why would?
That be everybody else is like look at sticks right up their
(19:42):
ass and they're I mean, no, no, I won't say that they're just
all very taut like this is the proper way the business runs
because this is what executives do.
But as many executives that I hung out with for the last.
Which executives? Most of them want to be treated
as humans. I think there's a difference of
understanding of people who. This is really good smelling too
man thanks this is awesome. Yeah, I think there's a
(20:07):
difference of people who have been executives fully interact
as humans with executives and those who are trying to get in
the circle or understand the mindset of an executive.
And so one thinks that they act or perceive themselves a
specific way. And then within that circle,
(20:27):
there's a different perception of this is how everything's
wrong. Well, in that kind of like with
everything though, like, yeah, I, I hear about one of the
biggest epidemics that I think that are facing our, our, our
society right now is the abilityto find someone that is someone,
someone you're, you're someone, OK, Yeah, right.
(20:50):
Your partner. You're the person that you share
intimate feelings with, and thatyou do.
Dirty butt stuff with or whatever.
You're there you go, right. I mean, whatever you're no,
everything is on the table. And sometimes, yeah, but, but
but the the cool thing is, is that like I will say this like,
(21:10):
you know, has relationships always been awesome?
No, a lot of them sucked. Is the relationship I have the
most fruitful? Yes.
Have I grown the most? Yeah, I mean, sure.
You know, I think we all do, butwhat some of us refuse to, but
that's true. It's been a great experience And
and I think about that like, andI know you think about that too.
(21:33):
It's like I'm so glad that I am not single because even the
tough times, even the difficult times, we don't understand what
that person's going through and they're going through a change.
They're just going to change. We change.
I know I have changed. I used to be a pretty aggressive
(21:54):
kind of a bro. Like I think all of us change
and hopefully. Yeah.
But I mean, but it's like talking about executives too.
It's the same thing. It's just like we don't know who
they are. And to assume they're somebody.
Yeah. Because of a title or because of
the way that you met them? Or is even like our friend
Bennett, where when I first, oh,he really is.
(22:15):
When I first met him, I thought,man, he's this like, really
large executive, but not like certain ones I've talked to or
connected with, but like other ones that I have met that are
arrogant, pompous pricks that I was just like, is this who he's
going to be? And that was my perception of
like, oh, man, this might be him.
And the more I just got to know him, the more he is like, just
(22:39):
this incredible, really cool human.
And the more I like him, the more I get to know.
And I'm like, man, like we went boarding the other week.
Yeah, you told me. And we just kept talking.
And I'm like, the more that we talked, the more I realized,
damn, he snowboards, he longboards.
He used to paintball when he wasyoung.
He invited me to go paintball. Like, man, I haven't gone
(23:01):
paintballing since like right after high school.
That was so much fun. Like, and it just it was so
funny because this this perception in my mind was
nowhere near the actual human that was sitting in front of me,
but it was this fear perception coming out of me of like, oh,
man, this is who he might be. He wasn't.
No, and I've learned that over time, like I've, I've had that
(23:23):
since we've start. I mean, you've always known that
I can, I'm, I'll just talk to whoever.
I don't care. And, and it's not because of
like some sales training or, or that one.
What it was is, is, was 1 momentthat I had had where I went to
this networking event. And I love being a marketer
(23:45):
because I could dress any way I wanted to.
Yeah. Like, now I have to dress like a
professional, whatever that means.
I don't mind it. I really didn't like it at
first. I really didn't like, I'm like
fucking jeans. But I wore jeans going out.
Yeah. And I was like, it felt weird.
I'm like, I don't. I don't dress up too dressy.
Yeah. You know he wants me to be like
(24:06):
in a fucking. In a suit and stuff, yeah.
My bad. Well, yeah, dude.
Like it. It just I'd learned that these
people like this guy came up to me and he said to me, and he's
wearing jeans, a trucker cap, he's got long hair and a beard.
And he goes, you know, the difference between rich and poor
people. And I was like, give it to me.
He goes, poor people always dress like the rich and rich
(24:30):
people. Don't give a shit.
And I'm like. And I said I never thought about
that. And he goes, yeah.
'Cause they don't care, truly. And the other ones are like, I,
I want to be seen as successful,I want to be seen as as wealthy.
And in my mind, because I haven't interacted with a lot of
these ones on that level, they truly don't give a shit half the
(24:52):
time. Like they want to be
comfortable. They want to be like, how many
pictures have we seen of celebrities, wealthy people and
they're wearing a bummy ass hoodie, some fucking sweatpants
and some Crocs. They're not trying to miss
anybody. They're just like, they don't
care. I woke up and I put this on.
They're like, oh, yeah. Well, you know, that T-shirt's
probably $65. Probably not.
It's probably from Walmart. Yeah.
(25:14):
Like, you don't think they fucking shop at Walmart?
You don't think that they eat the same things that you do.
It's, yeah, I kind of laugh about it now when I go out and I
see people dressed to the nines to like wander the store or do
this. And I'm like, man.
I since we got young, you're like that guy's in a call
center, Yeah. I've gotten so much more into
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just being comfortable giving 0 fucks what someone else wants,
thinks, cares about. Like yeah I'm not trying to
offend you or be an asshole, butlike I'm going to be comfortable
and it doesn't matter because you're a person.
I'm a person, you know? It's like.
Right. But to that exact opposite.
The other point of that is that I understand the way I dress can
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how it can have an effect on your comfort.
Yeah. And if, if, if I'm going into a
place where people are dressed really nice, I'm going to dress
really nice. Not because I want to conform, I
want to assimilate. I want them to go and you're.
Like wear a suit for the wedding.
Yeah, dude, I even got it tailored like.
I well, actually I was thinking about that.
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I need to talk to your tailor. She lives out by a new.
I know. And I'm just like, because I I,
I because I have a thicker neck.The shirts are made for like
short fat guys apparently. And so the sides are like.
When you want to get it brought in, yeah.
Just need those brought in, but you know, well, it's.
Even so, it was stupid, but likemy fast at the beginning.
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Oh yeah, I remember that. Place I showed up in, you know,
at the start it was like, oh, OK, well, I got to wear slightly
business casual or whatever, butthey didn't have that be a
requirement. And the longer I worked there,
there was a guy who was their top performer when it came in.
He was only there part time. He'd go in work for four to six
hours, be at the top of the board and go home.
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And he drove ABMW. He dressed really nice and that
and to me, the longer I was there, the more it just felt to
me like the stock trader ones where they're all like.
The boiler rooms. And in their suits and I, every
time I call, I had a wireless headset, I would walk the floor,
I would walk the hall. I would do that and make my call
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because I felt way more comfortable.
But then I started getting in three piece suits.
I would wear like a vest and a button down shirt and shit
because I just really enjoyed it.
It was a whole different feelingto be in that, but it wasn't
required. I actually just chose to for
some weird reason. No, that's it's not a weird
reason because you know, the waythat we dress is the way that we
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feel. And sometimes we just want to
that is professional to us. It's comfort to us.
It's it's an event. It's like when you go to a
restaurant, are you gonna wear AT shirt and flip flops and.
Depending on the restaurant. Exactly if we're walking over to
Burger King. Oh yeah.
Doing that, but if I'm going to a decent restaurant, I don't
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know, I just kind of like when. We've gone to the tree room when
we've gone to what the crap is the one up in?
ADHD want me to touch that I know stop it.
But I dress up for those. But those are also usually
anniversaries. So I I dress up for special
occasions because to me it's special.
Yeah. And honestly, I actually don't
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mind dressing up. It depends on the clothes.
So I have that our dress clothesare actually really fucking
comfortable. So it just depends on that dress
shoes not only comfortable for so long my feet after.
Oh my God, that's what I wear every day.
The one thing I did see, I saw my boss, he's wearing these like
really nice, like kind of shoes,like mine, leather and leather
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shoes. And I cleaned these so good.
And I'm like, you know what, I want to be wearing my Chuck
Taylor's to work with my nice dress stuff and just, you know.
I would always wear leather shoes half the time because it
also I'd ride a motorcycle and Ilove leather shoes on my bike
but it fits well with it. Like it looks good with the
dress clothes it usually they'reway more comfortable than some
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standard dress shoes. Oh, for sure, yeah.
Yeah, I, I love that. I love the the feel of good
clothes. But that's the thing though.
Now I'm appreciating that one. And it's been cool because now
it's been giving me a perceptionof people in a different light
where now I look at it where I'mlike, you know what, the way
they act, the way they they lookand the way they sound, it's all
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part of their culture. So I need to look at it more as
a melting pot of people that I get excited to learn about.
And instead of that guy looks fucking weird or that bitch is
too fat or because these are thoughts that used to fill my
head, you know, I used to be more judgmental on that side and
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now. I used to too.
I was really judgmental, I think, especially growing up.
I don't know why like it was. It's the culture you're around.
Like, you know, when we grew up in a crazy culture where the
idea of perfection was going to a building every week, dressing
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a certain way, acting a certain way, not saying certain things
like the hardcore Molly Mormon people.
Oh yeah. Like and and they wore it like a
fucking badge. They lie down on you grew up
with like, and my parents were like, oh, if someone swore,
yeah, oh, please don't say that.That offends me.
They would actually say that. So I grew up learning that I
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went to junior high and I had a group of friends and they were
like, they would swear sometimesand I'd be like, hey, please
don't swear in front of me. That offends me.
Why am I choosing to be offendedby a sound First off but then
second off I had learned the. Word bastard.
I didn't even know that bastard was considered a curse word of
sorts. Which is weird.
And so I said bastard and they were like.
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What? You don't swear.
And I was like, that's not a swear word.
And they're like, yeah, it is. And I'm like, no, it's not.
And they're like, yeah, it is. So after that, I'm like, well, I
said that and that nothing happened.
Like, OK, so I started swearing because I'm like.
But where? Where does that word become a
swear? It comes from medieval times,
where if a king had a child out of wedlock, not his wife, that
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was a bastard. That means he was a fatherless
child. He couldn't claim them.
No, and I'm like why? Is that a swear word?
Yeah. But it's like half of them ass,
damn, hell, shit, all of these things have been like farm
phrases and normal phrases that for the longest time were just
normal vernacular normal words that everyone.
Used it wasn't Pooh scat before.And now it's like, hey, I'm
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offended by that. Well, I'm sorry you're choosing
to be offended by that. Sound like this has been
historically used by everyone. And for some reason, all of a
sudden there's a subset of people who decided this is
offensive. And now we're like, well, I
can't say this because people have chosen to be offended.
Yeah, that's the one thing. It's kind of funny in business
too because especially where I'mat now, you're kind of shocked
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when people will say how they feel because when I grew up in
business that wasn't allowed, but I grew up with Utah based
businesses. This business is headquartered
out of Valhalla, NY and so and it's across the nation they
have. Those.
I think it's on 10,000 employees.
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My favorite companies to work for have been everything that's
based out of not Utah I. Know right dude, and it's crazy
because you'll like we had this guy come up.
He's a bigwig, super cool and that guy is dressed to the nines
used to play professional football, like crushed it in
sales, but he showed up and whatwas cool is that you see this
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like very well put together and he called bullshit on something.
He goes no that's bullshit and Iloved how he delivered because
it's like giving you a sense of if your tone matches then it's
OK. Theirs is very flat or or it's.
Confident. Or a confidence the yeah, right,
a dropping tone and you'll, you'll hear he's like, that's
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bullshit, right? Instead of bullshit, 'cause now
that sounds like you're excited.And they're like, oh, well, he's
clearly up. That's offensive, Sir.
So you see that? That's weird.
If you said oh bastard then theywould have been like.
Oh, but see, none of them cared.It was just more of like, you
don't swear? That's a swear word like.
But they heard your tongue. But if you said bastard like
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that, they would have laughed. Probably.
Because they were like, oh, he thinks he's British.
That's funny. But it's so weird if you go
bastard like that's. Just weird.
Well, that would be a weird sound anyway.
Right. But the baby came out that way,
where they're like, whoa, that'sweird.
Why? Because the tone brings more
attention. You know what's funny?
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Swearing was always like this taboo thing.
Yeah, like a bad thing. Like you are not a good.
Person, but I remember being in first grade at Grandview and
Provo. Worst stories where I'm sitting
in a circle with half the kids from my ward from the religious
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group that I go to every week. And there was a cracker in the
middle. No, that's gross.
And we were going around becauseit it wasn't swearing if you're
quoting. So we'd go quote motherfucker,
UN quote. Then we weren't squaring and all
of us are from the ward like sitting around probably 6 years
old, 6, maybe 7 and we're doing this.
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And yet all of our family, our parents are way against that.
And I remember getting my butt beat because I kicked a kid in
the butt and called him a motherfucker because he wouldn't
leave Curtis alone. Like.
First of all, that's not cool. And that was in second grade.
Like I just. I think that's funny as shit and
and the reason why it's funny because dude, like here's the
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thing. If you tell your kids not to do
something, just expect that they're going to do it.
Hey, don't look at porn. Don't be mean to others.
Don't it it there's all these like gateways.
Have you ever told a kid don't get into the cookies when
they're little? What do they do?
They find a way to get in the fucking cookies.
They don't apologize. No, my youngest son broke into
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our our closet and helped himself to snacks.
And I'm like, how the fuck did he get up there?
And and he just, he scaled it and I'm like, and, and my wife's
like, what are we doing? I'm like, well, that's not cool.
He got in there, but that's pretty fucking cool.
He got all the way up there. Yeah.
But instead I started thinking about that dude and you know,
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I'm I, I, I, I think about, you know, my faith all the time.
And now I started changing to going be good to others, love
others despite what they say to you.
I say those things, I'm like, look for ways to help others.
And now, like, whenever I tell them not to do something, like,
Hey, I didn't appreciate that. And they go, oh, but it's not
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because of a sound. It's their tone.
Oh, yeah. Like when Nick's like that
mother fucker and I'm like, well, who you upset with?
Because it's a commanding tone. I'm like, oh, you're mad.
Instead of going, we don't say that.
Now I go, what's going on? And my wife does the same thing,
too. We don't get mad at our kids for
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saying words like no. 'Cause you guys also say them
too. All the time.
Ridiculous. But The thing is, is that our
two younger ones, they are stillin the thought process that
those are bad. Like Phoenix will not swear
because he doesn't like it. Yeah, it's same as Xander.
Xander will swear when he's mad.But they correlate it with being
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angry. Yes.
See that? That's why I I grew up with that
where the only time I ever heardswear words was when my dad was
livid. I knew better not be seen or
heard or make any fucking sound when he's in that state.
So if you hear a swear word and I didn't want my kids to ever
grow up with that. So I tried to make it that it
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was normal, normal that it was like, OK, I might say this
without being frustrated. So then you're not going, oh
shit, Dad said shit. Dad said fuck, Dad said
whatever, I need to be fearful because he's upset.
But why? Why should you be afraid of me?
Why do I need you to be afraid of me?
You're my child. Why shouldn't you feel safe
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around me? I want you to feel safe.
They grew up our, our boomer parents grew up around people
who treated them that way. Oh, yeah.
And you know, I mean, I know they love their kids.
They, you know, there's a movie called, I think it's White
Fences or Picket Fences or something that with Denzel
Washington, there's really powerful scene or his son comes
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up to him and says, man, you don't, why don't you like me?
And he goes like you. Well, you talk about like you.
And he's like, yeah, well, you're always mean to me.
He's like, what's light got to do with it?
He's like, you have a roof over your head.
Yeah. Go stand up straight.
He's like, I'm asking you questions.
He's like, do you have a roof over your head?
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Yeah. Do you have food in your belly?
Yeah. What's light got to do with it?
He goes. It goes beyond liking you.
You're my responsibility to keepyou alive.
It is my responsibility, of course, but you don't even need
to ask if I like you. If I didn't do those things,
then you could ask me that now. Of course it went very vulgar
and it was during the 60s and he's dropping and bomb the whole
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time. And I won't do that because I'm
not going to fall into that trap.
But it was, it was just telling like, you know what, like I
don't need to do these things tomake you like me.
I do these things. I I put you in your place
sometimes because no one else isgoing to, and you're a fool if
you keep thinking that that's going to be a good thing.
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I think as a as a parent giving boundaries and setting those up
for a kid. Absolutely.
Is what parenting is for. It's helping kids understand how
to navigate life as they grow up.
And if we don't teach them that,who the hell will?
Well, and if you don't teach them like some of the most
valuable things, like, you know,I have my kids coming to me
going, you know, dad, I, I can'tlearn this math thing or Dad, I
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hate my teacher and they're a fucking bitch.
And I'm like, I totally understand.
I totally understand. But it's my responsibility to be
able to navigate the world. And I told them, I said the
strongest thing you can learn isnot any math, any science.
It's going to be the words that you use because then you're
going to be able to navigate andunderstand people better so you
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don't become frustrated. The only reason why you're mad
is because you don't understand where they're coming from.
Well, and it's navigating your emotions to being able to handle
that. Cause a lot of us, we were
family drama. Just had discussion with my
sister about this the other day and like how to navigate stuff
because it was like, hey, you know, growing up, our family
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didn't do well at having difficult discussions because
there was never a discussion. It was.
Lectures where you sat down and dad or mom talked at you.
Very authoritarian. Yes, 100% or you know, you were
told how to do it, why to do it,where you know, all of this.
It was never, never discussions,never that and everything from
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those were always emotional. It was yelling.
It was swear, you know, in thesestates of not knowing how to
navigate a difficult discussion.Correct.
And so in trying to, it creates all this emotion and that
creates anger and frustration. It's like instead of learning
how to navigate these difficult conversations of like, OK, I'm
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feeling angry. Well, why am I feeling angry?
What is actually causing this? OK, well, it's I'm feeling
fearful. I'm feeling attacked.
I'm whatever it is that's causing that and going OK, well,
I'm recognizing this. Am I safe here?
Are they actually tech? No.
OK, well how do we navigate? Yes.
And then you can worry about thewords, but first they have to be
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able to navigate even that emotion that's coming in there,
because none of us are really taught how to emotionally
regulate. We're taught how to, you know,
try and maybe you need to go sitdown.
But why? You know, we, we're not taught
how to sit with that emotion, feel it, go.
Or understand if it's real. Yeah, or what?
What is even causing it? Like, hey, is this is this a
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like you said, a real fear that's going on or a real thing
that's causing this, or is it stemming from something else
that now I'm, you know, kind of like me and Emily, There's been
moments that I was like, hey, I said something and it's not you.
It's actually my ex-wife and my shit that I'm still hanging on
to and and I don't actually haveto worry about this with you,
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but for. Some reason processing, yeah.
My body has this trauma held andI'm realizing that I'm reacting
to you in a way that's not acceptable because you haven't
done this to me. Yeah, but I'm reacting and and
you know where it's coming. From Hey, I, I'm sorry, I
realize this isn't on you. This is on me from this, and
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this is what I'm realizing. And I'm, I'm trying to work
through this now because I, I'm sorry, I didn't realize I hung
on to that. That's super important too, man.
You've just brought you touched on and I, I just thought of it.
You know, the hour of saying sorry doesn't necessarily mean
to forgive you of a trespass is to let that other person know
that you are no longer in that state of where you last left
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them, where they could think that you're angry at them, that
you don't love them anymore, that you detest them, that
you're annoyed with them. And sometimes it's just you.
Like I had recently with my wife, like I just was like, it
was. I don't know what it was, but
she did something and it really irritated me for half a second.
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And I'm just like, OK, I'm just going to let it go.
And then I kept hearing, I'm sorry.
And I'm like, will you knock it off?
I am done here. And then I'm sorry.
Just stop it. Just stop it.
You have done nothing to me. And the way I came across was
very like curt. And so she was immediately I
could see that she was hurt. And I'm like, oh, I'm sorry you.
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I, I said, I understand where I've been coming from all week.
I'm in a very curt environment. I'm getting a lot of rejection.
And so this may be that coming out.
I'm so sorry. Like it's OK, let's move past
this. This isn't something to define.
And that's where a lot of these transgressions of, you know, war
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that we have in our relationships, war that we have
within our societies is because we just have a really difficult
time going. Wait a minute, Are they really
upset with me or? And that's why I am such a weird
guy with tone, because I can hear.
Emily too. Sometimes there will be
something and and honestly it's.The way you said it, but.
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It's not because I'm frustrated with that, it's just.
It's where you're at. I've, I don't feel like I've got
the energy to care about adding in tone at that time.
And I'm like, it's not important.
And then she's like, are you mad?
I'm like, not at all. No, it it's a great opportunity
to be able to tell them like, hey, just to kind of give you
like a key to translate how I sound.
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If I'm flat, I'm just tired and I don't want to discuss it
anymore. Oh yeah, can.
Is that OK? Usually it's, you know, after I
she's like, hey, I know. And I'm like, Oh no, I'm fine.
She's like, oh, OK. I just, she's like your tone.
I'm like, Oh no, we're good like.
And she's cognizant of that, which is really good because
sometimes people just take everything as an offense, and
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that's where the offense comes from.
And it's your tone. Like if I go shit then nobody
around here is going to think but I wonder.
If it's because we have this fear of like whatever is
stemming in there, that we're like, oh, what did that tone
mean? Like did they have this
underlying thing? Or in a religious context, it's
because we are not like them. We are not like them.
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And this is how we define that we are not like them.
It is segregation. It's, it's an immediate self
segregation because they're taught like, you know, I mean,
so many overtones, right, of, ofour, of our culture that we grew
up in. But when the brethren has
spoken, the thinking has been done right, that kind of
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bullshit. And that's where a lot of our
parents that were in this, like I didn't have parents like that.
And but I knew a lot of parents like your parents, lots of them.
And it was because they were always taught well.
When the authority makes the decision, you just follow as
disciples. Well, and I realized that very
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much so when I had a discussion argument with my dad one
afternoon when we were working on something.
And. And his response was because we
were talking religion. And the difference is like, we
just had always differences. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And he was talking about how frustrated he is with our
generation because growing up, you would just be told something
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and you would believe it. And we have to question and do
all this. And I'm like, you know, that's
pretty sad that you think that not questioning things or
thinking for yourself is our wayto be and that that is really
what you respect and value. Because it's like saying you
respect ignorance, being stupid and being a sheep.
Just following what you're told and not being able to think for
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yourself and like. And that's a horrible life to
live Going this is the best way to be.
Well, and, and I mean, to kind of add to that, you think about,
you brought up sheep and, and, and I'm glad you said that
because it's really easy to be able to put into the context
that sheep are just dumb, mindless followers.
But what sheep are is that there's a lot of people out
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there that don't yet understand what they can do or what they
could do, not what they can't door what they.
Should not that the sheep has tobe done, but that they could be
dumb, they could be ignorant, orthey could also be just sheep?
Well, because they're sheep, that there are certain
individuals in this life that. Have to follow.
You're safer in a herd. Yeah, there's all these things.
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There's like, well, I don't wanthistorically.
Most people are. People haven't lived on their
own. Historically.
There's been communities, there's been groups, there's
been, you know, tribes. Whatever it is, people aren't
often living on their own. Well, but you take 2 like me
when you live like in these early civilizations, right?
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It wasn't just like we all coexisted and we didn't have any
order. That doesn't work.
It doesn't work. It's never.
Worked. There has to be some sort of.
Order. And that's where you have
shepherds. And the Shepherds aren't
authority, they are just those who can.
No, it's guidance. It's.
Not authority. And so to go here to I love
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there's an example of your dad. Yeah, but I love that example
that your dad said, you know, I wish that they just listened and
did what they were told. And I love your your counter to
that one because what it gives me even more of a counter going.
If you have knowledge then shameon you for not showing them how
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to do it instead of just bitching about it.
Because those are people who throw rocks at glass houses.
It's doesn't make sense. It's like OK cool, So what are
you doing to ensure that they know the good things about this
world? Or do you keep it inside?
Because I would expect you to beon street corners telling people
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be good and be kind. And here's the reason why I
follow this because I love everybody instead of going what
the. Fuck, are you doing St. corners
all the time? Right.
Why? Why would I preach?
It no. Why would anyone need to preach
things? Because that just seems like,
hey, I've got it all figured outand you need to listen to me.
Yeah, exactly. And that's none of us do have it
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all figured out. So to stand on a street corner
and preach it seems kind of ludicrous in anything.
Exactly, And that's where you take a lot of the because, and I
bring up that example because for them, it's a it's a if you
truly lived what you think you live, you would be doing that
every day. You'd be knocking on doors.
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Hey, I just wanted to tell you about our Lord and Savior right
the way that they pitch. It I would have like a list on
my door of do not ring the doorbell if you are this.
Person, There would be no soliciting.
It would be no religion. Yep.
Right. Please don't.
We're full. Please fuck off.
We've already got all of this stuff, we don't need yours.
But. That's not what the Master
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taught. The Master taught not to be
boisterous, not to be that way. Be the light as they will
follow, not be the megaphone to let them all know how to follow.
It was never that. And so when you see those very
proud people in any kind of culture where like this is the
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way you do it, suspect you don'tknow what you're doing.
And that's why you're telling others, true leaders, true
shepherds. They don't have to tell you
people just go, hey, Brandon's doing this.
Let's fucking go follow Brandon because Brandon's made some good
choices and he's always kind to us and he's helped us many
times. So let's help him.
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And that's where your community gets built, where you really
love each other. Like you talked about Bennett,
like Bennett's a super cool guy.And if you came to him going,
dude, I just need someone to talk to, he'd be like down,
let's do it right. And there's not a lot of people
out there that can do that because they're afraid and.
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Not a lot of people. There's a lot of fear of being
honest and really connecting. Or there's a fear of being
someone telling you that you youmaybe your ideas are shit.
Being truly seen because it's that fear.
It's hard. What if they won't love me?
But I think it's because a lot of people don't love themselves
that they're fearful of. Well, if they don't love me,
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what happens? Well, it doesn't matter if they
don't love me 'cause I love me enough to go.
It's OK if you don't let me. Well, I love them despite.
Like I, I still love you. I'm not here for you to love me.
I I love you regardless of whatever your feelings, your
thoughts, your whatever are hey,and that's fine.
And that's the thing that's beautiful about that, is that
you, you know, I, I just, I grewup during a time where macho was
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celebrated, where you, you did it on your own.
You beat everything against the odds, you have the scars to
prove it and the hot chick on your arm to signify it.
That was the 90s in a nutshell. In movies like They Go, why
don't we have action stars anymore?
Are you kidding? Who would watch John Wick, a
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murderous psychopath who decidednot to do that anymore?
Somebody killed his dog and now he kills hundreds of people,
right? It's a cool story but he is not
a 90s action hero. Where's the hot chick?
The cool car? Why is he getting hurt?
Because the good guys in the movies then never got hurt.
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If they did, it was like. Rare.
Barely. And that just that just fueled
the fire. Yeah, right.
Jean-Claude Van I'm going to kick you in the face now with
the same angle 25 times. It's crazy that way.
It has changed a lot, yeah. Being and I'm glad that, but I I
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still see a need for that. People need heroes, not Iron Man
or spider man. I think the problem is the
stories have gotten lame becauseall we're doing is retelling
them and we haven't. No one's coming up with new
exciting. It's not new, exciting.
It's, it's just like, tell me ina better way.
Tell me something that's more contextual to my life.
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But a story that's good? No one has a good story anymore.
Well it go back to some of the movies back in the day and I
remember like the bad boy movies.
Did you ever watch Bad Boys? Yeah, been a lot of time.
Yeah, but I saw those movies andI was like, dude, these movies
were funny. It was action-packed.
It was good. And then forever and then you
get geriatric bad boys comes outright and Will Smith singing
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happy songs that families can get around him right is I I
don't know if you saw a dude, hereleased something and there was
a video of him. This is the worst raps I've ever
heard from Will. That's again, like, you don't
bring that style to now because people would be like, this guy's
like Weird Al Yankovic. That's funny, right?
Oh yeah, but I saw Bad Boys 3 and it was the dumbest fucking
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thing I'd seen in a long time. And I'm like and I'm like, the
other movies weren't as bad as this.
Hate when they flop. We want watch the first one.
We got about 20 minutes into it.My wife goes this is dumb.
We turn that off. I'm like all right.
Bad Boys 2 was good though. All right, guys, what's been
your nostalgic movie that you thought was really good when you
were young and you went back to watch and it just didn't make
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the cut? Drop it below.
Let us know. Also, next week, we got the
Bishop on. Yeah.
So TuneIn. Great guest.
Check it out. Catch you next week.
Take care.
I'm Brandon. And I'm Jesse, we're cannabis
school. Having cannabis infused
conversations. With everyday people.
Cannabis companies. Celebrities.
And your mom? Welcome to the Sash.
Oh man, I'm I'm pretty high now,all right?
Oh, you mean still? Yeah dude, like it's actually
settling in a more so now it feels more like an indica.
(00:26):
Yeah, I'm pretty excited for where this is going to take me.
Earlier I was, when I was smoking it, it was very
uplifting. I was kind of shocked.
And when you were telling me theterpenes so I was like, oh.
Yeah, right. That's crazy.
It starts out pretty like elevated, pretty nice, pretty
heady, and then it gets into a little more relaxed.
(00:48):
This is still Buzz, GMO and Red Velvet.
This is pretty good one. And welcome to the sesh.
Yeah, the sesh so today. Jesse's feeling it.
Like he said, he's feeling quitepleasant already.
Well, it's like slowing me down a little bit.
I might need to smoke something else here in a little while.
You. Should grab that delicious stone
(01:08):
box next to you on the thing right there that has all of my
concentrates that aren't legacy.And we've got a lovely
selection. Thank you to Frank over at
Moxie. If you guys haven't heard, we'll
put in a link below for shook nasty beats.
He's also got Ray Trebolo now, but he's got.
Yeah, Ray Trebolo's awesome some.
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Sweet beats in there so if trance or depends on.
He's got a wide variety of music, so you'll have to check
it out below, but. This is awful.
Like at the first thing I pull it out it says gas guzzler.
Oh yeah. But that's the hybrid, isn't it?
Or is that the indica top left of the sticker indica?
OK, permanent marker is a hybridin there.
I thought permanent marker wouldbe more of an indica.
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Yeah, I love permanent marker that.
Stuff's strong. That is such a nice one for my
back. Oh there is Super Lemon Haze has
a. Bunch.
Left, we can do that. Yeah, I'm going to hit some of
that. Super Lemon Haze is always a
lovely one. Oh, dude, it's a great one.
It's it's a great uplifting one.It's a work strain for sure.
(02:14):
If you're very heady, maybe you got a call block you're getting
through. You know, I've noticed that
whenever I have a good sativa, Ican get through a call block
pretty well because I'm so happy.
And at the same time, when somebody says no to me, I just
go, yeah, I I heard the best advice.
It was listening to his book called Fanatical Prospecting my
(02:36):
my supervisor. He the coolest guy in the the
coolest boss I've ever had, coolest boss.
And he was just like he's recommending this book.
He's like, I'm not telling you do he's like, we're going to
review it, but this is a good thing and we're going to go
chapter by chapter learning about it and it just it helped a
lot. But it was the best part in
there was this guy says I developed this card that I have
(03:01):
it. It's followed me for 25 years
and it's a little, little tiny, you know, index card.
And he's like, it's turned kind of yellow from all the years.
And it's the best motivator for me to get to the next call and
to not let that rejection get tome.
And I'm like, OK, he's going to have some like motivational
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thing, right? Nope.
It says the word next, just next.
And I feel that like with because one of the things that I
really liked about this book. That's cool though.
Is that he talked about like where most and and this is a
good topic to kind of we'll branch out into other ones.
Self help or self improvement reading right there.
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There's a a fine line between self help and self delusion
where you're trying to make yourself believe that these
things are going to be there. But one of the things I really
liked about this author is that he's talking about rejection and
how a lot of other trainers or thought leaders go, you know,
just blow it off, it gets better, don't worry about it.
(04:09):
And he just says, no, it sucks. It does.
He's like, I've been doing it for over 30 years and it still
hurts. It's just the thing that is
easier to remember and maybe noteasier to remember, but I think
probably necessary to remember is don't take it personal.
That's all it is, is yeah, it still sucks.
It still is. Like, oh, shit, They said no.
Oh, man, I got the door slammed into my face.
(04:31):
Oh, they hung up on me. But it's don't take it personal.
It's not you. It's nothing against you.
Usually it's that person wasn't on.
It could have been a million people calling them.
Well, exactly. And, and on top of that, it's
not just that all these people are reaching out to them.
But look, not everybody wants tobuy something or talk to you
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about something. And that's OK.
But the one thing I really likedabout that next was yeah.
It reminds, reminds me of growing up every time I'd go
down to my grandparents, my dad's parents in my grandpa's
office and I always looked up tomy grandpa.
My grandparents I thought did amazing things.
Cause to me, I always thought they were wealthy and wealthy.
(05:16):
And what we learned was, oh, that was a success.
And they did all this. And then I learned later how
actually successful my parent, mom's parents were and stuff
like their parents were. Yeah, they were just frugal and
didn't flaunt it. And then my dad's parents were
keeping up with the Joneses and stuff.
But every time I go in his office, all it said was this
(05:36):
plaque, kind of like where you'dsee back in the day, executive
or whatever it says on their thing or their name.
And all it said was do it. It said don't quit basically,
but the do and it and it were like bold and the rest was
lowercase and my grandpa was oneto always just keep working.
(05:58):
It was next. It was you know, it's don't let
this get you down. He they got screwed by a friend
out of. Lot of money.
Millions of dollars, lots of their hard work, and they lost
all of that. And my grandpa, instead of
declaring bankruptcy, still paidall his debts.
He's like, hey, it's going to take me a lot longer because now
(06:19):
I have to do this. But he paid all his debts.
He paid everyone that he owed for all the work they did for
everything, even though he lost everything.
And he was like, hey, and it's just that kind of thing of like
life is hard. The calls are hard sometimes.
So that continuing on it, getting the no, you know, that
is hard, getting rejected over and over again, that that is
(06:41):
tough. But it's that what makes us
strong. What you know, makes us who we
are is that that next, that showing up the next day, it's,
you know, going to the gym. It's doing those things that we
know that we should do that really help make us stronger,
better versions of ourselves. That is fucking hard sometimes
in the moment to just push through.
(07:03):
And and also to kind of like getused to the discomfort, you
know, such as like martial arts or any kind of combative arts.
I've trained those for a really long time and I'm used to the
abuse I'm used to. Being comfortable with the.
Uncomfortable. Yeah, like one of the sick,
twisted things I used to do. One of my favorite fighters
(07:24):
still is, is Boss Rutan. He's the one of The Pioneers in
the sport. Truly a mixed martial artist,
self-taught in a lot of his things like jiu jitsu and stuff
and he competed in MMA fights injiu jitsu with some of the
highest ranked fighters in the world.
So he he was more of. Quite a coffee strain there.
(07:45):
Got him right in the back of thethroat.
Dude, so dry. Super Lemon Haze giving you more
of the cottonmouth than you think the red velvet.
GMO. Oh, 100%.
Interesting. Yeah, I have to sip on fake
coffee when I'm at work to get that.
Out what is your fake coffee? What does that mean?
Is that tea? Decaf.
Oh, I like the flavor. I.
Love the flavor of coffee. Is decaf flavor different than
(08:09):
regular? I've never tried it a little
bit, always been just a little bit worried that it'll not be
coffee. It's more of trying to fool my
body that this is caffeine. When I get to the office, my
body starts yawning. It goes, oh, remember, we're
supposed to get this thing. It's trying, dude.
My body's a fucking. It's a whore.
(08:30):
It's such a whore to caffeine. It goes, well, remember, we're
tired. Get it in, you know, And so I've
been fooling my brain to going when I drink this, it gives me
the same reaction. And I tell myself that when I
drink this, it gives me the samereaction.
And then I drink it and I feel alittle bit perked up.
(08:52):
Well I mean 90% of body stuff isplacebo shit. 100.
Percent. So you look at that and you're
like, if I could tell my body that this is the exact same,
like, why not? And it you, you can't do it
forever. You have to do it for one
specific action. I've learned like I can't say
like, oh, I'll be impervious to pain.
Like what kind of pain? And that's what I was talking
about with Boss Ruten. He he's a Dutch, he's a Dutch
(09:15):
trained kickboxer. And the Dutch boxers are brutal.
They kick tires, which I did, bald tires.
They would kick tractor tires. Big fucking Caterpillar tires.
Those things are dense, Yeah. They're hard as shit.
(09:35):
And they're kicking them with their shins.
And so I've done tons of crazy stuff, like I've done the Coke
bottles, I've done the sticks, I've done the rubbing.
One thing that I used to do was I would plant in the ground
about two feet down, concreted A4 by 4, sand it really good,
get rid of the sharp edges, and I'd kick that motherfucker.
(09:56):
I'd kick it 50 times on my left,50 times on my right, and then I
could train so those I would coach.
I'm like, hey, here's what we do.
Jesus. And dude, some of my guys that I
trained, their shins were like mahogany.
Like when they would check another fighter that would kick
at them, oh, they would just geta goose egg on theirs.
They're like, 'cause they're just kicking heavy bags.
(10:18):
Yeah. Or they have somebody rubbing
us. Rubbing us.
No, you need the brutal lot of. Force of yeah.
And the thing that changes is that the bones in my shin are
still as hard as fucking baseball bats.
But the skin on the outside, it's it's sensitive and you need
(10:38):
to build it up. And the reason why my?
Bones for some reason get harderwhen I there's this magic blue
chew and then my bones get really hard fight whole day.
I thought you were going to quote like, what's his name?
Will Ferrell in acre bed, he goes, feel that.
Does that feel like a giant cock?
And you're like. And Paul Rudds is laughing his
(11:00):
ass off. Yeah.
Man but. When, when you get used to a
certain type of pressure, the one of the things that Dutch
kickboxers do is they do leg conditioning.
So this, this drill and, and Thai boxers do it too.
But I, I really enjoy following the Dutch method.
And So what they'll do is that my lead leg is my left leg, and
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so I'll stand out there and then.
Your lead leg. Yeah, when?
Is that what you stand on or what you kick with?
What I stand on I, I, I used to be more of a dominant right leg
kicker, but I have no ACL. Mean that your left is your
stronger leg. No, it's my, it's my defensive
leg. OK, so that one goes out.
I used to just do before I torn a.
(11:42):
Link that with like longboardingor snowboarding and which might
be a dominant 1 and like how? The best way to be able to look
at it is that if you're a right-handed fighter, your right
hand is always the power hand. So your lead leg is your
jabbing. Yeah, support leg.
The thing that I've seen is thatthe best fighters trained to be
amidextrous, and I was very one sided for many, many years.
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But one of the things we do, youkick the outside of your leg
just as just a little bit hard, and then you kick the outside of
their lead leg. And then they kick the inside of
your lead leg and you kicked in and you just go to whack, whack,
whack, whack, whack, whack, whack.
And you intensify the pain. And the rule that I had with my
students, this was like 20 yearsover about 18 years ago.
(12:29):
It was the last time when I was teaching one student, he got
really saucy and I said the number one rule is I only give
you. What you gave me.
And he goes, OK, and we're goingboom, boom, boom.
Now here's the sick and twisted thing.
I taught my mind that every timeI got kicked here, it fucking
hurt for about a good year. Like after every class, it's
(12:53):
just bruised. And.
But I'm like, it's OK. It's for a reason.
I'm training up this side to be defensive so I can take a kick.
Even if I can't check it, I can get kicked and going whatever.
Yeah, well, I started to tell myself when I would kick tires
because my students. I was.
I think you enjoyed it. Yeah, that it.
It was like right before I come,that feeling that goes.
(13:16):
Up vinegar. Strokes.
Yeah, dude, dude, check it out. Like it would go up your, you
know, that feeling, it goes up your back and it's almost like
the sensation of, of goosebumps on your skin.
So here's what it got. To a sadist or a masochist.
Both and so it wasn't. Enjoys causing pain and the
other enjoys pain. And that's why I say both,
because the next part of the story was great.
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He kicked me so hard that the hair on my arms just stood up
immediately and I became hyper aware.
But I wasn't in pain. I was in.
This is the weird part. I was in like at a slight
ecstasy. I was like oh fuck yeah.
And his eyes went like oh shit. 'Cause it wasn't the reaction he
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thought he would get from kicking.
No, he knew it was coming. Next.
I give you what you give me. And when I kicked him, both of
his legs went what they Oops, sorry.
Work head. I just wanted to check level
still. Both my legs got his legs got
swiped out and he couldn't bend his knee on his lead leg for
(14:20):
over an hour. He just sat on the ground.
And every time, because what you're trying to do is cause the
muscle to spasm so you can't useit anymore.
You're not trying to knock him out, You're just trying to keep
that weapon from being used against you.
That's why it's good to hit the arms, not the face.
Everybody goes to the head, liketurn out the light.
(14:40):
Well, what if this guy's a little bigger than me, but he's
slower? I'm going to be punching his
bicep, his forearm. I'm going to be punching on the
outside, maybe tricep. It's a rope, a dope thing that
Muhammad Ali did to George Foreman.
Because then by the third round,George Foreman couldn't lift his
arms up and he thought it was stupid.
He was getting punched in the arms.
(15:00):
But Muhammad Ali knew. I got to work down your
defenses. Your weapons I got to take.
Them away, but he's not. Yeah.
And then he just beat the shit out of them.
And so that long drawn out storyis to say that you can condition
your body to that one. And that's one of the things
that I think the cannabis does to us too, is that we come
preconditioned for a strain nameinstead of the terpenes.
(15:21):
I've noticed that with certain strain names, like Cheetah Piss.
But I know that Cheetah Piss is a second to Super Lemon Haze for
a moxie. Yeah, that's what.
And I love Cheetah piss. Love it, piss in my mouth, I've
said it so many times. I mean we have a product just
for that. Because Synthetics 5 is for all
(15:44):
you kinky people who like someone to piss in your mouth
but just aren't really ready to go that step.
You can just use this synthetic stuff.
Yeah, and if maybe peeing in mouth is not your thing, you can
also use this to make you smarter.
Yeah, help you pass a test or? You know, what's the percentage
that I could expect in taking a test?
I feel like you'd probably score100 on this test.
(16:06):
Fuck yeah. Yeah.
Like good stuff, yeah. So.
There might even be a code to help you pass this test below.
You know, I've actually tried toquantify this and I'm like, how
much is this pee worth? And if you go to the site,
you're going to get a big savings on it.
They've been very generous to Canada school listeners.
But I'm 25%. Yeah, and it can be worth
(16:28):
50,000. 70,000, Eighty 120. Dude, if you have a job where
you could lose money because youcan't pass a test.
Man, that suck. I, I'm at a, I'm at a company
right now where if I didn't passthe test, I wouldn't be there
now and I had to take the test three times.
Luckily with this one, you only got to take it one time.
(16:49):
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So go down below Synthetics 5, check out the Q, check out the
code, and go pump test. Yeah, yeah, dude, you smart
motherfucker. You make it a good choice.
La La Synthetics 5. But I love Super Lemon Haze.
It's just put me in the best mood.
It's very heady in comparison. Like it brought it back up.
(17:11):
Yeah. Into it, yeah.
It's good though, it's a good mix.
With the other one it is. It hit you right in the back of
the throat though. Oh yeah, it did made me like
Yep. But anyways, I love the
sensation that cannabis gives you, but I find that sometimes I
got that in my head be earlier on that when I smoke this.
I feel this and I hate to agree with cuz he just he really made
(17:33):
it seem douchey. And I'm not shitting on you Q
Pens. I'm just saying.
But you made like stranger bullshit.
Like yeah, kind of. But now I'm more aware if I go
out of state and I'm visiting a dispensary, I'm gonna look at
the terpenes. Can I look at the terpenes,
please? Yeah.
(17:54):
Do you have a QAAACOA? I'm surprised that certain
states like people don't have all access to that.
Not everywhere gives COAS. Not everywhere gives a label of
here's your terpenes, here's your cannabinoids.
You need to be asking for it that.
Should be your first thing you're putting out.
Well, and and that just goes to show the maturity of the market
(18:16):
that they're in because I believe that mature markets,
California, Colorado, Oregon, Washington, you're going to get
a full list of terpenes of most.Different quality too.
They start focusing on how was this grown?
What were the nutrients or chemicals used?
Was this grown in soil or was this hydroponically grown?
(18:38):
And if it's soil, is it living soil?
Were you using salts or like there's so many different things
that it goes into and then that also effects like experience and
quality and all of that. But that is a more experienced,
educated consumer. Well, but I mean the The thing
is this like you're you're and I'm actually using this bomb
(19:00):
that Brandon lovingly made me. I appreciate that bro, Thank
you. It was actually for a cancer
patient that someone asked. They were like, Hey, how, what
would you recommend? I was like, oh, I actually have
all the products for this. Let me let me make this for you.
So this goes to them today actually.
But this has been like the cleanest, best looking one that
(19:21):
I've ever made so far. I really, I mean, I just had
this neck pain while I'm sittinghere and I'm like, I'm always
slouching in here. It's just 'cause my, I don't
know, I'm just such AI do that at work too.
I know that probably irritates my boss, but I don't.
Care that you slouch. I'm always sitting back.
Why? Why would?
That be everybody else is like look at sticks right up their
(19:42):
ass and they're I mean, no, no, I won't say that they're just
all very taut like this is the proper way the business runs
because this is what executives do.
But as many executives that I hung out with for the last.
Which executives? Most of them want to be treated
as humans. I think there's a difference of
understanding of people who. This is really good smelling too
man thanks this is awesome. Yeah, I think there's a
(20:07):
difference of people who have been executives fully interact
as humans with executives and those who are trying to get in
the circle or understand the mindset of an executive.
And so one thinks that they act or perceive themselves a
specific way. And then within that circle,
(20:27):
there's a different perception of this is how everything's
wrong. Well, in that kind of like with
everything though, like, yeah, I, I hear about one of the
biggest epidemics that I think that are facing our, our, our
society right now is the abilityto find someone that is someone,
someone you're, you're someone, OK, Yeah, right.
(20:50):
Your partner. You're the person that you share
intimate feelings with, and thatyou do.
Dirty butt stuff with or whatever.
You're there you go, right. I mean, whatever you're no,
everything is on the table. And sometimes, yeah, but, but
but the the cool thing is, is that like I will say this like,
(21:10):
you know, has relationships always been awesome?
No, a lot of them sucked. Is the relationship I have the
most fruitful? Yes.
Have I grown the most? Yeah, I mean, sure.
You know, I think we all do, butwhat some of us refuse to, but
that's true. It's been a great experience And
and I think about that like, andI know you think about that too.
(21:33):
It's like I'm so glad that I am not single because even the
tough times, even the difficult times, we don't understand what
that person's going through and they're going through a change.
They're just going to change. We change.
I know I have changed. I used to be a pretty aggressive
(21:54):
kind of a bro. Like I think all of us change
and hopefully. Yeah.
But I mean, but it's like talking about executives too.
It's the same thing. It's just like we don't know who
they are. And to assume they're somebody.
Yeah. Because of a title or because of
the way that you met them? Or is even like our friend
Bennett, where when I first, oh,he really is.
(22:15):
When I first met him, I thought,man, he's this like, really
large executive, but not like certain ones I've talked to or
connected with, but like other ones that I have met that are
arrogant, pompous pricks that I was just like, is this who he's
going to be? And that was my perception of
like, oh, man, this might be him.
And the more I just got to know him, the more he is like, just
(22:39):
this incredible, really cool human.
And the more I like him, the more I get to know.
And I'm like, man, like we went boarding the other week.
Yeah, you told me. And we just kept talking.
And I'm like, the more that we talked, the more I realized,
damn, he snowboards, he longboards.
He used to paintball when he wasyoung.
He invited me to go paintball. Like, man, I haven't gone
(23:01):
paintballing since like right after high school.
That was so much fun. Like, and it just it was so
funny because this this perception in my mind was
nowhere near the actual human that was sitting in front of me,
but it was this fear perception coming out of me of like, oh,
man, this is who he might be. He wasn't.
No, and I've learned that over time, like I've, I've had that
(23:23):
since we've start. I mean, you've always known that
I can, I'm, I'll just talk to whoever.
I don't care. And, and it's not because of
like some sales training or, or that one.
What it was is, is, was 1 momentthat I had had where I went to
this networking event. And I love being a marketer
(23:45):
because I could dress any way I wanted to.
Yeah. Like, now I have to dress like a
professional, whatever that means.
I don't mind it. I really didn't like it at
first. I really didn't like, I'm like
fucking jeans. But I wore jeans going out.
Yeah. And I was like, it felt weird.
I'm like, I don't. I don't dress up too dressy.
Yeah. You know he wants me to be like
(24:06):
in a fucking. In a suit and stuff, yeah.
My bad. Well, yeah, dude.
Like it. It just I'd learned that these
people like this guy came up to me and he said to me, and he's
wearing jeans, a trucker cap, he's got long hair and a beard.
And he goes, you know, the difference between rich and poor
people. And I was like, give it to me.
He goes, poor people always dress like the rich and rich
(24:30):
people. Don't give a shit.
And I'm like. And I said I never thought about
that. And he goes, yeah.
'Cause they don't care, truly. And the other ones are like, I,
I want to be seen as successful,I want to be seen as as wealthy.
And in my mind, because I haven't interacted with a lot of
these ones on that level, they truly don't give a shit half the
(24:52):
time. Like they want to be
comfortable. They want to be like, how many
pictures have we seen of celebrities, wealthy people and
they're wearing a bummy ass hoodie, some fucking sweatpants
and some Crocs. They're not trying to miss
anybody. They're just like, they don't
care. I woke up and I put this on.
They're like, oh, yeah. Well, you know, that T-shirt's
probably $65. Probably not.
It's probably from Walmart. Yeah.
(25:14):
Like, you don't think they fucking shop at Walmart?
You don't think that they eat the same things that you do.
It's, yeah, I kind of laugh about it now when I go out and I
see people dressed to the nines to like wander the store or do
this. And I'm like, man.
I since we got young, you're like that guy's in a call
center, Yeah. I've gotten so much more into
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just being comfortable giving 0 fucks what someone else wants,
thinks, cares about. Like yeah I'm not trying to
offend you or be an asshole, butlike I'm going to be comfortable
and it doesn't matter because you're a person.
I'm a person, you know? It's like.
Right. But to that exact opposite.
The other point of that is that I understand the way I dress can
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how it can have an effect on your comfort.
Yeah. And if, if, if I'm going into a
place where people are dressed really nice, I'm going to dress
really nice. Not because I want to conform, I
want to assimilate. I want them to go and you're.
Like wear a suit for the wedding.
Yeah, dude, I even got it tailored like.
I well, actually I was thinking about that.
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I need to talk to your tailor. She lives out by a new.
I know. And I'm just like, because I I,
I because I have a thicker neck.The shirts are made for like
short fat guys apparently. And so the sides are like.
When you want to get it brought in, yeah.
Just need those brought in, but you know, well, it's.
Even so, it was stupid, but likemy fast at the beginning.
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Oh yeah, I remember that. Place I showed up in, you know,
at the start it was like, oh, OK, well, I got to wear slightly
business casual or whatever, butthey didn't have that be a
requirement. And the longer I worked there,
there was a guy who was their top performer when it came in.
He was only there part time. He'd go in work for four to six
hours, be at the top of the board and go home.
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And he drove ABMW. He dressed really nice and that
and to me, the longer I was there, the more it just felt to
me like the stock trader ones where they're all like.
The boiler rooms. And in their suits and I, every
time I call, I had a wireless headset, I would walk the floor,
I would walk the hall. I would do that and make my call
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because I felt way more comfortable.
But then I started getting in three piece suits.
I would wear like a vest and a button down shirt and shit
because I just really enjoyed it.
It was a whole different feelingto be in that, but it wasn't
required. I actually just chose to for
some weird reason. No, that's it's not a weird
reason because you know, the waythat we dress is the way that we
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feel. And sometimes we just want to
that is professional to us. It's comfort to us.
It's it's an event. It's like when you go to a
restaurant, are you gonna wear AT shirt and flip flops and.
Depending on the restaurant. Exactly if we're walking over to
Burger King. Oh yeah.
Doing that, but if I'm going to a decent restaurant, I don't
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know, I just kind of like when. We've gone to the tree room when
we've gone to what the crap is the one up in?
ADHD want me to touch that I know stop it.
But I dress up for those. But those are also usually
anniversaries. So I I dress up for special
occasions because to me it's special.
Yeah. And honestly, I actually don't
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mind dressing up. It depends on the clothes.
So I have that our dress clothesare actually really fucking
comfortable. So it just depends on that dress
shoes not only comfortable for so long my feet after.
Oh my God, that's what I wear every day.
The one thing I did see, I saw my boss, he's wearing these like
really nice, like kind of shoes,like mine, leather and leather
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shoes. And I cleaned these so good.
And I'm like, you know what, I want to be wearing my Chuck
Taylor's to work with my nice dress stuff and just, you know.
I would always wear leather shoes half the time because it
also I'd ride a motorcycle and Ilove leather shoes on my bike
but it fits well with it. Like it looks good with the
dress clothes it usually they'reway more comfortable than some
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standard dress shoes. Oh, for sure, yeah.
Yeah, I, I love that. I love the the feel of good
clothes. But that's the thing though.
Now I'm appreciating that one. And it's been cool because now
it's been giving me a perceptionof people in a different light
where now I look at it where I'mlike, you know what, the way
they act, the way they they lookand the way they sound, it's all
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part of their culture. So I need to look at it more as
a melting pot of people that I get excited to learn about.
And instead of that guy looks fucking weird or that bitch is
too fat or because these are thoughts that used to fill my
head, you know, I used to be more judgmental on that side and
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now. I used to too.
I was really judgmental, I think, especially growing up.
I don't know why like it was. It's the culture you're around.
Like, you know, when we grew up in a crazy culture where the
idea of perfection was going to a building every week, dressing
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a certain way, acting a certain way, not saying certain things
like the hardcore Molly Mormon people.
Oh yeah. Like and and they wore it like a
fucking badge. They lie down on you grew up
with like, and my parents were like, oh, if someone swore,
yeah, oh, please don't say that.That offends me.
They would actually say that. So I grew up learning that I
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went to junior high and I had a group of friends and they were
like, they would swear sometimesand I'd be like, hey, please
don't swear in front of me. That offends me.
Why am I choosing to be offendedby a sound First off but then
second off I had learned the. Word bastard.
I didn't even know that bastard was considered a curse word of
sorts. Which is weird.
And so I said bastard and they were like.
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What? You don't swear.
And I was like, that's not a swear word.
And they're like, yeah, it is. And I'm like, no, it's not.
And they're like, yeah, it is. So after that, I'm like, well, I
said that and that nothing happened.
Like, OK, so I started swearing because I'm like.
But where? Where does that word become a
swear? It comes from medieval times,
where if a king had a child out of wedlock, not his wife, that
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was a bastard. That means he was a fatherless
child. He couldn't claim them.
No, and I'm like why? Is that a swear word?
Yeah. But it's like half of them ass,
damn, hell, shit, all of these things have been like farm
phrases and normal phrases that for the longest time were just
normal vernacular normal words that everyone.
Used it wasn't Pooh scat before.And now it's like, hey, I'm
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offended by that. Well, I'm sorry you're choosing
to be offended by that. Sound like this has been
historically used by everyone. And for some reason, all of a
sudden there's a subset of people who decided this is
offensive. And now we're like, well, I
can't say this because people have chosen to be offended.
Yeah, that's the one thing. It's kind of funny in business
too because especially where I'mat now, you're kind of shocked
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when people will say how they feel because when I grew up in
business that wasn't allowed, but I grew up with Utah based
businesses. This business is headquartered
out of Valhalla, NY and so and it's across the nation they
have. Those.
I think it's on 10,000 employees.
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My favorite companies to work for have been everything that's
based out of not Utah I. Know right dude, and it's crazy
because you'll like we had this guy come up.
He's a bigwig, super cool and that guy is dressed to the nines
used to play professional football, like crushed it in
sales, but he showed up and whatwas cool is that you see this
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like very well put together and he called bullshit on something.
He goes no that's bullshit and Iloved how he delivered because
it's like giving you a sense of if your tone matches then it's
OK. Theirs is very flat or or it's.
Confident. Or a confidence the yeah, right,
a dropping tone and you'll, you'll hear he's like, that's
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bullshit, right? Instead of bullshit, 'cause now
that sounds like you're excited.And they're like, oh, well, he's
clearly up. That's offensive, Sir.
So you see that? That's weird.
If you said oh bastard then theywould have been like.
Oh, but see, none of them cared.It was just more of like, you
don't swear? That's a swear word like.
But they heard your tongue. But if you said bastard like
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that, they would have laughed. Probably.
Because they were like, oh, he thinks he's British.
That's funny. But it's so weird if you go
bastard like that's. Just weird.
Well, that would be a weird sound anyway.
Right. But the baby came out that way,
where they're like, whoa, that'sweird.
Why? Because the tone brings more
attention. You know what's funny?
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Swearing was always like this taboo thing.
Yeah, like a bad thing. Like you are not a good.
Person, but I remember being in first grade at Grandview and
Provo. Worst stories where I'm sitting
in a circle with half the kids from my ward from the religious
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group that I go to every week. And there was a cracker in the
middle. No, that's gross.
And we were going around becauseit it wasn't swearing if you're
quoting. So we'd go quote motherfucker,
UN quote. Then we weren't squaring and all
of us are from the ward like sitting around probably 6 years
old, 6, maybe 7 and we're doing this.
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And yet all of our family, our parents are way against that.
And I remember getting my butt beat because I kicked a kid in
the butt and called him a motherfucker because he wouldn't
leave Curtis alone. Like.
First of all, that's not cool. And that was in second grade.
Like I just. I think that's funny as shit and
and the reason why it's funny because dude, like here's the
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thing. If you tell your kids not to do
something, just expect that they're going to do it.
Hey, don't look at porn. Don't be mean to others.
Don't it it there's all these like gateways.
Have you ever told a kid don't get into the cookies when
they're little? What do they do?
They find a way to get in the fucking cookies.
They don't apologize. No, my youngest son broke into
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our our closet and helped himself to snacks.
And I'm like, how the fuck did he get up there?
And and he just, he scaled it and I'm like, and, and my wife's
like, what are we doing? I'm like, well, that's not cool.
He got in there, but that's pretty fucking cool.
He got all the way up there. Yeah.
But instead I started thinking about that dude and you know,
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I'm I, I, I, I think about, you know, my faith all the time.
And now I started changing to going be good to others, love
others despite what they say to you.
I say those things, I'm like, look for ways to help others.
And now, like, whenever I tell them not to do something, like,
Hey, I didn't appreciate that. And they go, oh, but it's not
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because of a sound. It's their tone.
Oh, yeah. Like when Nick's like that
mother fucker and I'm like, well, who you upset with?
Because it's a commanding tone. I'm like, oh, you're mad.
Instead of going, we don't say that.
Now I go, what's going on? And my wife does the same thing,
too. We don't get mad at our kids for
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saying words like no. 'Cause you guys also say them
too. All the time.
Ridiculous. But The thing is, is that our
two younger ones, they are stillin the thought process that
those are bad. Like Phoenix will not swear
because he doesn't like it. Yeah, it's same as Xander.
Xander will swear when he's mad.But they correlate it with being
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angry. Yes.
See that? That's why I I grew up with that
where the only time I ever heardswear words was when my dad was
livid. I knew better not be seen or
heard or make any fucking sound when he's in that state.
So if you hear a swear word and I didn't want my kids to ever
grow up with that. So I tried to make it that it
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was normal, normal that it was like, OK, I might say this
without being frustrated. So then you're not going, oh
shit, Dad said shit. Dad said fuck, Dad said
whatever, I need to be fearful because he's upset.
But why? Why should you be afraid of me?
Why do I need you to be afraid of me?
You're my child. Why shouldn't you feel safe
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around me? I want you to feel safe.
They grew up our, our boomer parents grew up around people
who treated them that way. Oh, yeah.
And you know, I mean, I know they love their kids.
They, you know, there's a movie called, I think it's White
Fences or Picket Fences or something that with Denzel
Washington, there's really powerful scene or his son comes
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up to him and says, man, you don't, why don't you like me?
And he goes like you. Well, you talk about like you.
And he's like, yeah, well, you're always mean to me.
He's like, what's light got to do with it?
He's like, you have a roof over your head.
Yeah. Go stand up straight.
He's like, I'm asking you questions.
He's like, do you have a roof over your head?
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Yeah. Do you have food in your belly?
Yeah. What's light got to do with it?
He goes. It goes beyond liking you.
You're my responsibility to keepyou alive.
It is my responsibility, of course, but you don't even need
to ask if I like you. If I didn't do those things,
then you could ask me that now. Of course it went very vulgar
and it was during the 60s and he's dropping and bomb the whole
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time. And I won't do that because I'm
not going to fall into that trap.
But it was, it was just telling like, you know what, like I
don't need to do these things tomake you like me.
I do these things. I I put you in your place
sometimes because no one else isgoing to, and you're a fool if
you keep thinking that that's going to be a good thing.
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I think as a as a parent giving boundaries and setting those up
for a kid. Absolutely.
Is what parenting is for. It's helping kids understand how
to navigate life as they grow up.
And if we don't teach them that,who the hell will?
Well, and if you don't teach them like some of the most
valuable things, like, you know,I have my kids coming to me
going, you know, dad, I, I can'tlearn this math thing or Dad, I
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hate my teacher and they're a fucking bitch.
And I'm like, I totally understand.
I totally understand. But it's my responsibility to be
able to navigate the world. And I told them, I said the
strongest thing you can learn isnot any math, any science.
It's going to be the words that you use because then you're
going to be able to navigate andunderstand people better so you
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don't become frustrated. The only reason why you're mad
is because you don't understand where they're coming from.
Well, and it's navigating your emotions to being able to handle
that. Cause a lot of us, we were
family drama. Just had discussion with my
sister about this the other day and like how to navigate stuff
because it was like, hey, you know, growing up, our family
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didn't do well at having difficult discussions because
there was never a discussion. It was.
Lectures where you sat down and dad or mom talked at you.
Very authoritarian. Yes, 100% or you know, you were
told how to do it, why to do it,where you know, all of this.
It was never, never discussions,never that and everything from
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those were always emotional. It was yelling.
It was swear, you know, in thesestates of not knowing how to
navigate a difficult discussion.Correct.
And so in trying to, it creates all this emotion and that
creates anger and frustration. It's like instead of learning
how to navigate these difficult conversations of like, OK, I'm
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feeling angry. Well, why am I feeling angry?
What is actually causing this? OK, well, it's I'm feeling
fearful. I'm feeling attacked.
I'm whatever it is that's causing that and going OK, well,
I'm recognizing this. Am I safe here?
Are they actually tech? No.
OK, well how do we navigate? Yes.
And then you can worry about thewords, but first they have to be
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able to navigate even that emotion that's coming in there,
because none of us are really taught how to emotionally
regulate. We're taught how to, you know,
try and maybe you need to go sitdown.
But why? You know, we, we're not taught
how to sit with that emotion, feel it, go.
Or understand if it's real. Yeah, or what?
What is even causing it? Like, hey, is this is this a
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like you said, a real fear that's going on or a real thing
that's causing this, or is it stemming from something else
that now I'm, you know, kind of like me and Emily, There's been
moments that I was like, hey, I said something and it's not you.
It's actually my ex-wife and my shit that I'm still hanging on
to and and I don't actually haveto worry about this with you,
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but for. Some reason processing, yeah.
My body has this trauma held andI'm realizing that I'm reacting
to you in a way that's not acceptable because you haven't
done this to me. Yeah, but I'm reacting and and
you know where it's coming. From Hey, I, I'm sorry, I
realize this isn't on you. This is on me from this, and
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this is what I'm realizing. And I'm, I'm trying to work
through this now because I, I'm sorry, I didn't realize I hung
on to that. That's super important too, man.
You've just brought you touched on and I, I just thought of it.
You know, the hour of saying sorry doesn't necessarily mean
to forgive you of a trespass is to let that other person know
that you are no longer in that state of where you last left
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them, where they could think that you're angry at them, that
you don't love them anymore, that you detest them, that
you're annoyed with them. And sometimes it's just you.
Like I had recently with my wife, like I just was like, it
was. I don't know what it was, but
she did something and it really irritated me for half a second.
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And I'm just like, OK, I'm just going to let it go.
And then I kept hearing, I'm sorry.
And I'm like, will you knock it off?
I am done here. And then I'm sorry.
Just stop it. Just stop it.
You have done nothing to me. And the way I came across was
very like curt. And so she was immediately I
could see that she was hurt. And I'm like, oh, I'm sorry you.
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I, I said, I understand where I've been coming from all week.
I'm in a very curt environment. I'm getting a lot of rejection.
And so this may be that coming out.
I'm so sorry. Like it's OK, let's move past
this. This isn't something to define.
And that's where a lot of these transgressions of, you know, war
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that we have in our relationships, war that we have
within our societies is because we just have a really difficult
time going. Wait a minute, Are they really
upset with me or? And that's why I am such a weird
guy with tone, because I can hear.
Emily too. Sometimes there will be
something and and honestly it's.The way you said it, but.
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It's not because I'm frustrated with that, it's just.
It's where you're at. I've, I don't feel like I've got
the energy to care about adding in tone at that time.
And I'm like, it's not important.
And then she's like, are you mad?
I'm like, not at all. No, it it's a great opportunity
to be able to tell them like, hey, just to kind of give you
like a key to translate how I sound.
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If I'm flat, I'm just tired and I don't want to discuss it
anymore. Oh yeah, can.
Is that OK? Usually it's, you know, after I
she's like, hey, I know. And I'm like, Oh no, I'm fine.
She's like, oh, OK. I just, she's like your tone.
I'm like, Oh no, we're good like.
And she's cognizant of that, which is really good because
sometimes people just take everything as an offense, and
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that's where the offense comes from.
And it's your tone. Like if I go shit then nobody
around here is going to think but I wonder.
If it's because we have this fear of like whatever is
stemming in there, that we're like, oh, what did that tone
mean? Like did they have this
underlying thing? Or in a religious context, it's
because we are not like them. We are not like them.
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And this is how we define that we are not like them.
It is segregation. It's, it's an immediate self
segregation because they're taught like, you know, I mean,
so many overtones, right, of, ofour, of our culture that we grew
up in. But when the brethren has
spoken, the thinking has been done right, that kind of
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bullshit. And that's where a lot of our
parents that were in this, like I didn't have parents like that.
And but I knew a lot of parents like your parents, lots of them.
And it was because they were always taught well.
When the authority makes the decision, you just follow as
disciples. Well, and I realized that very
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much so when I had a discussion argument with my dad one
afternoon when we were working on something.
And. And his response was because we
were talking religion. And the difference is like, we
just had always differences. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And he was talking about how frustrated he is with our
generation because growing up, you would just be told something
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and you would believe it. And we have to question and do
all this. And I'm like, you know, that's
pretty sad that you think that not questioning things or
thinking for yourself is our wayto be and that that is really
what you respect and value. Because it's like saying you
respect ignorance, being stupid and being a sheep.
Just following what you're told and not being able to think for
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yourself and like. And that's a horrible life to
live Going this is the best way to be.
Well, and, and I mean, to kind of add to that, you think about,
you brought up sheep and, and, and I'm glad you said that
because it's really easy to be able to put into the context
that sheep are just dumb, mindless followers.
But what sheep are is that there's a lot of people out
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there that don't yet understand what they can do or what they
could do, not what they can't door what they.
Should not that the sheep has tobe done, but that they could be
dumb, they could be ignorant, orthey could also be just sheep?
Well, because they're sheep, that there are certain
individuals in this life that. Have to follow.
You're safer in a herd. Yeah, there's all these things.
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There's like, well, I don't wanthistorically.
Most people are. People haven't lived on their
own. Historically.
There's been communities, there's been groups, there's
been, you know, tribes. Whatever it is, people aren't
often living on their own. Well, but you take 2 like me
when you live like in these early civilizations, right?
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It wasn't just like we all coexisted and we didn't have any
order. That doesn't work.
It doesn't work. It's never.
Worked. There has to be some sort of.
Order. And that's where you have
shepherds. And the Shepherds aren't
authority, they are just those who can.
No, it's guidance. It's.
Not authority. And so to go here to I love
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there's an example of your dad. Yeah, but I love that example
that your dad said, you know, I wish that they just listened and
did what they were told. And I love your your counter to
that one because what it gives me even more of a counter going.
If you have knowledge then shameon you for not showing them how
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to do it instead of just bitching about it.
Because those are people who throw rocks at glass houses.
It's doesn't make sense. It's like OK cool, So what are
you doing to ensure that they know the good things about this
world? Or do you keep it inside?
Because I would expect you to beon street corners telling people
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be good and be kind. And here's the reason why I
follow this because I love everybody instead of going what
the. Fuck, are you doing St. corners
all the time? Right.
Why? Why would I preach?
It no. Why would anyone need to preach
things? Because that just seems like,
hey, I've got it all figured outand you need to listen to me.
Yeah, exactly. And that's none of us do have it
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all figured out. So to stand on a street corner
and preach it seems kind of ludicrous in anything.
Exactly, And that's where you take a lot of the because, and I
bring up that example because for them, it's a it's a if you
truly lived what you think you live, you would be doing that
every day. You'd be knocking on doors.
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Hey, I just wanted to tell you about our Lord and Savior right
the way that they pitch. It I would have like a list on
my door of do not ring the doorbell if you are this.
Person, There would be no soliciting.
It would be no religion. Yep.
Right. Please don't.
We're full. Please fuck off.
We've already got all of this stuff, we don't need yours.
But. That's not what the Master
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taught. The Master taught not to be
boisterous, not to be that way. Be the light as they will
follow, not be the megaphone to let them all know how to follow.
It was never that. And so when you see those very
proud people in any kind of culture where like this is the
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way you do it, suspect you don'tknow what you're doing.
And that's why you're telling others, true leaders, true
shepherds. They don't have to tell you
people just go, hey, Brandon's doing this.
Let's fucking go follow Brandon because Brandon's made some good
choices and he's always kind to us and he's helped us many
times. So let's help him.
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And that's where your community gets built, where you really
love each other. Like you talked about Bennett,
like Bennett's a super cool guy.And if you came to him going,
dude, I just need someone to talk to, he'd be like down,
let's do it right. And there's not a lot of people
out there that can do that because they're afraid and.
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Not a lot of people. There's a lot of fear of being
honest and really connecting. Or there's a fear of being
someone telling you that you youmaybe your ideas are shit.
Being truly seen because it's that fear.
It's hard. What if they won't love me?
But I think it's because a lot of people don't love themselves
that they're fearful of. Well, if they don't love me,
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what happens? Well, it doesn't matter if they
don't love me 'cause I love me enough to go.
It's OK if you don't let me. Well, I love them despite.
Like I, I still love you. I'm not here for you to love me.
I I love you regardless of whatever your feelings, your
thoughts, your whatever are hey,and that's fine.
And that's the thing that's beautiful about that, is that
you, you know, I, I just, I grewup during a time where macho was
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celebrated, where you, you did it on your own.
You beat everything against the odds, you have the scars to
prove it and the hot chick on your arm to signify it.
That was the 90s in a nutshell. In movies like They Go, why
don't we have action stars anymore?
Are you kidding? Who would watch John Wick, a
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murderous psychopath who decidednot to do that anymore?
Somebody killed his dog and now he kills hundreds of people,
right? It's a cool story but he is not
a 90s action hero. Where's the hot chick?
The cool car? Why is he getting hurt?
Because the good guys in the movies then never got hurt.
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If they did, it was like. Rare.
Barely. And that just that just fueled
the fire. Yeah, right.
Jean-Claude Van I'm going to kick you in the face now with
the same angle 25 times. It's crazy that way.
It has changed a lot, yeah. Being and I'm glad that, but I I
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still see a need for that. People need heroes, not Iron Man
or spider man. I think the problem is the
stories have gotten lame becauseall we're doing is retelling
them and we haven't. No one's coming up with new
exciting. It's not new, exciting.
It's, it's just like, tell me ina better way.
Tell me something that's more contextual to my life.
(53:04):
But a story that's good? No one has a good story anymore.
Well it go back to some of the movies back in the day and I
remember like the bad boy movies.
Did you ever watch Bad Boys? Yeah, been a lot of time.
Yeah, but I saw those movies andI was like, dude, these movies
were funny. It was action-packed.
It was good. And then forever and then you
get geriatric bad boys comes outright and Will Smith singing
(53:27):
happy songs that families can get around him right is I I
don't know if you saw a dude, hereleased something and there was
a video of him. This is the worst raps I've ever
heard from Will. That's again, like, you don't
bring that style to now because people would be like, this guy's
like Weird Al Yankovic. That's funny, right?
Oh yeah, but I saw Bad Boys 3 and it was the dumbest fucking
(53:50):
thing I'd seen in a long time. And I'm like and I'm like, the
other movies weren't as bad as this.
Hate when they flop. We want watch the first one.
We got about 20 minutes into it.My wife goes this is dumb.
We turn that off. I'm like all right.
Bad Boys 2 was good though. All right, guys, what's been
your nostalgic movie that you thought was really good when you
were young and you went back to watch and it just didn't make
(54:13):
the cut? Drop it below.
Let us know. Also, next week, we got the
Bishop on. Yeah.
So TuneIn. Great guest.
Check it out. Catch you next week.
Take care.
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