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October 30, 2025 47 mins

This week’s Sesh drifts from Gran Turismo to growing up, gaming, and the weird balance between staying playful and becoming “an adult.” Brandon and Jesse light up some Hash Burger and Larry OG, dive into how cannabis keeps them connected to their inner kid, and unpack why life feels lighter when you stop taking yourself so seriously.


From online gaming sexism to American History XThe Fifth Element, and AI ethics, this one swings from stoner philosophy to social commentary faster than a controller stick. Expect jokes, movie tangents, and real talk about how to keep curiosity alive when the world keeps telling you to “act your age.”

In this episode:

What Hash Burger + Larry OG feels like together

  • The lost art of gaming for fun (and why girls still get booted for talking)

  • How cannabis helps us rediscover play, connection, and perspective

  • Why adulthood is mostly pretending we have it figured out

  • From Terminator to 1984 – are we raising AI like bad parents?


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(00:00):
I'm Brandon. And I'm Jesse, we're cannabis.
School having cannabis infused conversations.
With everyday. People.
Cannabis companies. Celebrities.
And your mom? Welcome to the sesh Hey guys,
welcome back to another sesh where we.
Hattie Hogan. 'S we chew the fat and shoot the
shit and throw the jizz. Throw it.

(00:21):
Spit on stuff I. Don't know.
Throwing jizz is fine, but spitting on something, that's
that's where he draws. No, no, no that.
This is just after effects from the last strain we smoked.
Good strain, go check it out. Hash burger.
Hash burger? It might be out, no?
It depends on what you know. Doesn't matter.

(00:43):
Either you've heard it or you'reabout to hear it, but go check
it out. It's a good strain episode.
I thought you meant the strain that they could.
Find no, no no. Just go check out Hash Burger.
Real, real good one, just different effects.
Yeah, definitely fantastic. Happy, heady, relaxed.

(01:03):
Like quite the experience on that strain.
Holy shit, my mic is too far down but I can't adjust it with
that. Oh wait, hang on.
Well, we're much better now. Feel like a new boy.
Yeah, no, you know, Well, no, he's just talking about last
night. My son.

(01:24):
She he was like, hey, dad, can Iplay Gran Turismo?
And I said absolutely. So I go to set it up and the
wheel spins left, right or right, left, and then levels out
and then just shuts off. And I'm like, what's going on?
And it kind of freaked me out. And then I discovered in the
back of my PS-5 that one of my kids had probably try to push

(01:45):
in. Really hard.
Yeah, and he broke the port, broke one of the ports.
So one port works really well. So I have an external hard drive
that I use for like PS4 games and I can't use that plus the
car plus my mic dongle. All at the same time.

(02:05):
Can't. Dang, it just sucks.
So I'm just like. Well is Grand Treesmo APS 4
game. No, it's APS 5 game.
So I unplugged that for that game and then I plugged that
into the back, but I couldn't figure out why.
And then last night I was like, well, I was because Steph's
like, hey, I need you to get that all out of the front room

(02:26):
where we have a baby shower tomorrow.
Oh, yeah, no problem. And I moved that out.
And then I was like thinking while I was doing it, I'm like,
wait a minute. And I pushed a little click over
to the PS4 button. Yeah, that's all it was.
It was set on PS3. You need.
To click on this, Yeah. So I'm like in Phoenix, like I
didn't break it down. I'm like, I wouldn't be mad at
you even if you did. It'd be like, well, we got to

(02:48):
buy and maybe someday. But I was just like, you know,
it, it was, I really wanted to play it, but I didn't go.
But I got to play some Insurgency and I met this group
of guys that were hilarious. And it was like you were playing
there. He kept yelling out like your
mom likes frag grenades, like because I was over there and you

(03:09):
know how tactical I start sounding like a tactical, A
tactical. But I'm like, I'm playing and
I'm over there and I yell out grenade because I want somebody
to not run forward and get hit by a grenade.
So he said throw a grenade and I'm a grenade and I throw the
grenade. This microphone and he's like
nasally boys, your mom's a grenade.

(03:32):
And I just started laughing and they were just like God funny
like you never run into that. It's either really serious guys
or dead silence. And one of the things that
really frustrated me, I was in this room and this girl was
playing with us and she was goodand she.
Does sound frustrating. And she comes, no, no, no.
I'll tell you what happened. That was frustrating.

(03:54):
She comes over and she's like, hey, Reaper, can I come with
you? And I'm like, absolutely, let's
go. So we start going through and
dude, she is like, she's good. I when I went left, she went
right. She covered her sectors and I
didn't have to tell her anything.
And normally you don't get that.You get the COD players that run
over there go and then they get killed and they're like, the
game sucks. I'm out of here.

(04:15):
And you're like, all right, FIDE.
But she was kicking ass with me.And when she spoke, this guy
goes, what the fuck? Are you a chick?
And she's like, it's not a big deal, Let's just keep playing.
And I was like, so also in my mind goes to all this shit that
they got in the media about sports, all this stuff, which I

(04:38):
totally agree with. On my side, I don't think it's
OK for men to be able to competein women's sports and dominate
it. I don't think that's OK at all.
But you know, the thing that drives me even more insane is
that you've got something where there's really no skill, like
physical skill. There's a lot of mental skill
into playing a game more complex.

(04:58):
Yeah, and being better. Skill and yeah.
But I have played with some female players on shooters that
are far better than the guys I played with probably.
And they won't talk because other dudes will just like get
the fuck out of here. And they voted her out and I was
like, this is fucking lame guys.I'm just trying to play a game,

(05:19):
who gives a shit if she's a chick?
Maybe if there's females want tochime in on this.
Honestly, if I feel like it's probably got to be a terrible
thing to try and game in that because one, if you do talk, you
either get a million unsolicitedfriend requests from everyone.
On there. Who you don't want to be friends

(05:40):
with Or you get booted from people who are too insecure
because oh shit her score is higher than mine like.
Right. And that's the thing.
That's. Gotta be shitty to try and play
in. Well, and it's it doesn't make
any sense, dude. It's like I'm there to play a
game. I don't care.
Like I love video games because it is the most childlike thing

(06:04):
that I can do. And I know some people are like,
dude, you need to be an adult. Like fuck that.
I don't want to be an adult. You know what it sucks about
being an adult? Paying bills.
I was going to say being an adult.
Yeah fucking sucks dude. Like, and when you play games,
you're able to just kind of let all that go.
And what are women supposed to do?
Just read books? You know, they're, they're weird

(06:26):
porn books. Like no, you know what's let let
them play a game that they find interesting.
I think it's awesome when I playwith it.
I would like another female racer to join our races and have
open talks like that. Would be a blast.
I was actually thinking about not not necessarily the female
racer aspect, but any racers on that because I know we have one

(06:52):
of the audience who plays Gran Turismo 7, but we need to
actually see if we can get him or other people in a race
because that would be a blast. I thought about it.
I'm like how cool would it be ifwe could get an open chat with
all of these people and there's ten of us in this race, all
doing these races and we're all high.

(07:15):
All like joking, chatting, racing around like that just
sounds like a lot of fun. Oh, this is tasty, bro.
Yeah. Isn't it, though?
It's got that almost piss, but it's citrusy.
Very citrusy. Yeah, not quite the ammonia.
No, but it's like almost like ifyou were, and this sounds really

(07:35):
dumb, it's almost like you were going to be able to get the
citrus fabiosa, the floor cleaner, but it tastes almost
sweet. It does.
It does have sweet tones into it.
It's fantastic. You'll get an episode of Larry
OG later on, but this is what we're smoking today.
Yeah, honestly, this morning. I.

(07:57):
Would have sworn for the life ofme that we had done Larry OG
because I've had it in flour in the last handful of years.
And I was like, there's no way that we haven't done it.
So I was, I spent probably 20 minutes hunting like there's got
to be like, it's got to be here somewhere.
And I could not find it. I'm like, OK, I guess.
I guess we just have not done that episode.

(08:19):
Well, I mean, and it's kind of crazy because you go back
through all of our episodes. We have hundreds of episodes
now. Yeah, we are over 300 episodes.
And I mean, that's a lot of episodes to go through from
weed, and not all of them are strained ones.
But the bulk, Hey, strange. Thank you for everyone who's
followed us through that. Oh yeah, dude.
Listen to all of those episodes.That is an adventure of like.

(08:43):
Yeah, seriously, Cause I've listened to some of the old ones
and I'll tell you what I'm like.No.
Oh, it's been. Our dialogue's gotten better,
our back and forth, listening toeach other, being able to accept
different viewpoints. You know, we we've, we've grown
up as we've grown up, right? I mean, and it's been awesome.
And a lot of it is because you guys keep listening And that's

(09:04):
why I like, you know, the session has been really
successful too, because people really enjoy the conversations
And and that's what it is. I mean, I heard it today
listening to a Rogan pie. I've taken a huge break from
Rogan because I was just like, Idon't want to do it.
But he's had some really interesting topics lately,
interesting guests just to talk and have a good conversation.

(09:24):
And he made a point. He's like a good podcast is
people having conversations, smart people, funny people,
because people like to. I've been listening to the Diary
of Aceo podcast. I love.
Stephen Bartlett Really love it.I love the insights.
I love the. Oh yeah, the.
Questions like it's very. I will say this though, as of

(09:47):
late he's been bringing in people that contradict each
other, so it's like it's a little different.
But what is his question along that?
Like I think it's OK to have people who contradict.
No but it but it. Curious the story or like.
It's the the problem of the. Episodes.
I've rarely heard him say something that he would actually
push back on. It's typically where Steven

(10:09):
Bartlett will be over there. And I'm not, I'm not hating on
him. I just have noticed this trend
with him is they'd be like, Oh yes, so so I should do that now.
OK, so more sugar in my diet. And then the next one comes on
going, no, no sugar. All right, get rid of sugar.
Got it. I'm going to do that now.
And it's so it's like it's the same as Shawn Ryan.

(10:29):
He did it for a while and it's almost like telepathically.
I was listening to one of his episodes.
He goes, I've been really looking forward to this one.
That's what he says when he starts it out and almost every
single one. And I'm like, what does that
last person think? They're like, oh fuck, I thought
I was the good one. Yeah.
And it was like every. And we really been looking
forward to interviewing you. You know, it's just like so.

(10:52):
And then the next one he goes, hey man, I'm excited you're
here. And that's what it is.
It's like our last one with Bo. I loved that Bo was such a
interesting. He's got such a unique story
through his entire life. Oh yeah.
But I loved, like, his sense of youthfulness.

(11:12):
Yeah, right. He's just, I mean, he's my same
age. And I never really look at
myself as persons of those when I meet somebody who's my age.
It's weird. How so?
Because I think of age, because I see them maybe somebody that I
knew growing up and they look totally different.

(11:33):
Like they see me looking totallydifferent.
But I'm like, I still think I'm a teenager.
Isn't that weird? Yeah, you like we have this
inside version or how we perceive ourselves and then we
have probably how everyone else perceives us and that might be
100% different than how we perceive ourselves.

(11:55):
Well, dude, it's even like this guy I have at work mean he looks
like your stereotypical salesmanwho's done insurance all his
life and guess what? He's done it over 30 years.
So he but the way that he is, hecarries himself.
You would see him, you would judge him like but I've been
giving him shit and having fun with him.

(12:16):
And then recently did up sit at my desk and all of a sudden,
like I move my head back and right in front of my eye, my my
glasses. It was a lot of little football.
He threw it at my head and he goes missed ya.
And it was hilarious because it was just it, it was.
Fun. He's just fun and he's being a
kid. And that's what I'm saying.

(12:36):
Like it's, it's cool when they probably see themselves exact
same way I see myself. I see myself as a kid and
somebody who's too serious go smoke some weed.
Like chill the fuck out. Well how many people truly feel
their age? Like maybe not physically, cause
yeah sometimes physically we feel old as fuck.
But like, I think we let ourselves feel like we're old as

(12:58):
fuck. Yeah.
Well, but at the same time, how many of us when we were little
had chronic back pain or shoulder aches or a torn ACL or
non existent ACL? Or financial debt.
Yeah, all of this other stuff that you're like, OK, well, now,
now I'm an adult God. What does that?
Mean. Well, it means.

(13:18):
It means you're responsible for yourself and others legally and
maybe financially. That is what usually being an
adult means is is now there's a layer of responsibility that
comes on it. There's not really that mentally
you're any more prepared or smarter or any farther along
sometimes it seems, than a child.

(13:39):
Which is funny because if you think back to pre industrial
age, right, a lot of farms that totally was not the case.
It was exact inverse of that. And so you're like, OK, and it's
not bad that we are at where we're at.
I think it's just really difficult for us to navigate
this cause it's so like relatively new.

(14:01):
We think that 10 years is a longtime.
Not really. I mean, in the life of one
individual, a decade feels like a long time at moments.
When you're younger. Yeah, but still, like, you think
back and 10 years ago, you're like, holy crap, it's been 10
years. Like my daughter's already 13
instead of three or like, where did that 10 years go?

(14:24):
Like it, it does seem long, but it doesn't simultaneously like
it's this, I don't know, It's it's that dilemma that we all
live in where time seems to fly.But at the same time, days can
feel like a month long sometimes, you know?
Yeah, but it's like when you really said, 'cause like when
you were saying that IIA couple of memories just popped up and

(14:45):
they were random, but they were from my youth and and I remember
them so clear. Like in it.
It's so crazy now when I look back to that, I like when I'm
reimag, when I'm, when I'm revisiting that in my mind, I'm
still seeing it through the samelens I see today, which is
weird. Like when I see myself in the

(15:07):
mirror and I haven't, you know, I haven't trimmed my beard in a
little bit because I tried to keep it down.
It looks white like around here.It's.
You got to get a mental. White.
It's white, but that weirds me out sometimes when I see that
person in the mirror. Who the fuck are you dude?
Well, because how often are we looking in the mirror?

(15:27):
Yes, maybe every day, but like you.
Know looking into the mirror. And truly like looking not just
like, oh, I've got to I'm brushing my teeth or got to make
sure my hair not you, but like, you know, there's there's
certain things of Hey, I've got to check and make sure.
OK, no, we're good. I shave my head probably every
day. I shave it every.

(15:48):
I got. Well, my wife got me one of
those skull shavers from Oh, youwere saying that?
I love that thing. I got hated at first.
My skin would get really raw andwhat I do is I just douse A rag
and alcohol and then just rub itall over my But I like pain.
I'm a real weirdo, so when? You walk away hard and you're
like, all right, what do I do? That reminds me of this Parks

(16:08):
and Rec. There is this one where Aubrey
Plaza slaps Chris Pratt. Yeah, and say she goes and she
slaps him and he goes do it again and he doesn't get it.
He goes and she goes, do you have a boner?
And he goes, I don't know. I've never been slapped before.
And she like leaves and he's like, I've never been slapped

(16:31):
before. He's like that turned him on.
And he was hilarious. But I love dude.
His his his bloopers in that show make everything, especially
the Kim Kardashian 1. I don't.
Know. They were talking to they go,
you know what we love a good comeback story?
The Mighty Ducks, Robert Downey Junior.

(16:53):
And then he goes Kim Kardashian.And they go And he goes, Well,
yeah. I mean, in the end of the video,
she gets cum on her back. And then they all start laughing
and it's just like, dude. Or would he?
He he literally like, shits his pants right before he's about to
do a lie. And he goes and he goes.

(17:13):
Check that off my life bucket list shit on camera.
Oh my God, He. Was like a little kid, dude, it
was so funny and that's what I think about like, oh, that's
great. Like when we had Beau on Beau
had that childlike yeah look outlook on life.
Like he, he looked at I, I didn't even get to go into

(17:35):
because whatever we were smoking, really, I would just
wanted to hear more from him. And my questions were all over
the place. But he reminded me of a college
professor that gave me the gift of wanting to learn because I
didn't want to learn before that.
And when I went to college when I was 30 years old, that was the
first time going in there. They had to go through all these

(17:56):
remedial classes because they'relike, look, Jess, you've been
out of school for a long time. 2+ 2 does equal 4.
You answered that wrong. So we're going to put you in
these classes. And it was so cool because these
classes, like I had my first English professor, he was
younger than me, he was 28. And he's like, he laid down the

(18:18):
law. There is no late work.
Everything needs to be stapled together.
This back when we still handed in paper, everything has to be
stapled together. If you don't have me stapled
together, I'll throw it in the trash.
And the first day that we accepted papers, like, I was
like, oh shit, this is awesome. And I had no idea what I was
doing. And he was a really integral
part. And then at that same time, I

(18:40):
met this guy named Dirk Milan. Look him up on LinkedIn.
And he was a guy that got me excited about learning about
math, like the way he would teach it.
And it was the coolest thing. Like I actually did better in
his class 'cause he came in one day and he was like, kind of
frustrated. And he throws his bag on the
table and he goes, who plays Skyrim?
And I'm like, yo. And he goes, I'm in the Thieves

(19:03):
Guild. What do I do with this key?
And I'm like, Oh yeah, you couldkeep it and you can unlock any
door you want or you could turn it in and they give you a gift
and you get like this whole likeoutfit and go like invisible for
a little bit while you're crawling and stuff.
And he's like, and we'd like literally talked about Skyrim
for like 15 minutes of a 45 minute class.

(19:24):
Holy cow. And he was like, and we became
good friends and I still see himevery once.
What? It's usually in Home Depot.
Oddly enough, every time I see him, it's in Home Depot.
And I see him and he's like, andhe still, he looks like him,
except taller and skinnier like he's got.
And it was, but when we were talking like.
How does it even work? I didn't see him as another 46

(19:46):
year old. What I saw was another child
that really likes life and he didn't let any type of social
guardrails, which is what it is.I mean, all this stuff is just
made-up. Well, it's like there's a decade
between us. Almost.
There's eight years. Oh, for sure.
And between me and Preston, there's a decade.

(20:07):
Like it's just funny because it doesn't necessarily Like yes, in
certain areas age is definitely matters, but like other aspects.
I just got it. It doesn't.
Like there's other points that you can be a kid, you can play
and just have fun. Like, yeah.
Why is everything got to be so fucking serious?

(20:27):
Yeah, like when I hang out with my nieces or nephews, they range
from like, I mean 18 down to like, gosh, Thomas is 6 month
old or 18 month old maybe now, but like little tiny.
And it's fun to like joke aroundor just feel like you're a kid
again. Not for any reason, but just to
enjoy life going. Hey, adulting is serious.

(20:48):
Adulting is too serious. Why the fuck can't I be a kid
again? Again?
Why can't I just be light hearted?
Not a care in the world in the world, just happy to be here.
Because I'm here. Hey, you're my friend.
Because you exist. Hey, you're here.
I'm here. Hey, let's we're friends.
Well, socially, Brandon and I would never become friends if we

(21:09):
stuck to what we believed was our social demographic.
Like 'cause we we fit in different boxes if you were to
try and stick us in. A box, but only as society sees
it. And you know why I, I, while you
were explaining that, Brandon, that really and I, you know, for
those of you that roll your eyes, fucking roll your eyes,

(21:29):
keep rolling. It made me think about Scripture
where where these apostles are just, I love the apostles, but
before he dies, because they're all still like being super vain
and they're like, well, he lovesme more.
The other guy's like, no, I'm, I'm the coolest guy here.
I'm the most faithful. I get all of it.

(21:51):
And they ask him, they're like, Hey, which one of us is the
best? And he goes, bring that kid over
to me. When you are like this, you get
in, you're a part of that love because this child doesn't see
the world to the lens that you do.
They see the world through. Acceptance pure.
It's not. Everything is evil and corrupt

(22:12):
and full of hatred, and as you grow up, you learn.
Yeah, like little kids will learn to share with hatred.
Like hatred is a learned thing. It's same with greed and gel.
Like these are learned habits. I feel like, not just something
that when we're super little, like how many times when we were
young, it was, well, I just wantto have a friend.
Yeah, you can play with my I I just want to have a friend.

(22:34):
I want to hang out. Let's just do something
together. Yeah, isn't that funny?
Like, you know, in in the contrast to that one if you've
ever seen the movie American History X.
Been a long time. So in that movie Edward Norton
plays this guy who grows up witha semi racist dad, right?

(22:56):
Dad's a firefighter California. He grows up with his dad.
Well his dad dies and I think hewas like he was killed in a
drive by. So after that it triggers him to
going into instant hate joining like AKK, like a white supremacy
group, neo Nazi group. And his hatred gets to the point
like where there's these guys and this movie's old as shit.

(23:20):
If you haven't seen it and I'm ruin it for you, fuck off.
Just go see it. But he he kills these guys
trying to rob his car, but it's not how he kills him.
The last one he curb checks. Him.
I remember that. And then he goes to prison and
he's fine going to prison. But the cool, the realization,
and this is the contrast in order for you to be somebody

(23:43):
that really wants to just love life and not worry about
everything else because it really is, it's a fictitious
worry. Like when we when we have these
strong relationships, when we'reable to express ourselves and we
start to build community, this life isn't meant to do alone,
right? So as you start building these
communities like little familiesthat continue to grow and grow

(24:06):
and grow because that's how you see friends as family, like
close friends. Yeah, when, especially when you
get older, not when you're younger.
These are just people you play with and they're still learning
too. They're not developed in who
they will be ultimately. No.
And they change and grow and youknow.
And we still do. And I it's why cannabis has been

(24:28):
such AI love that it gives me that childlike quality I don't
need to worry about. Oh, you know, well, will Brandon
like my shoes. But you know why I just chose
these shoes? Because they're comfortable.
I don't give a fuck. They have this weird ass like
thing on the back look like I'm going skiing but I don't even
care. I'm just like, and I know
Brandon wouldn't be like, bro, if you show up with those shoes

(24:51):
fucking next time. Just get.
The fuck out of here, right? No, he never did that.
And that's we we come here because it's not the things that
we have or the things that we do.
It's the place we want to be, and with kids, they do that and
I see our society. Either you got to go more child

(25:12):
esque or you need to be strippedaway completely.
Like American History X. His life changes, going to
prison, he's betrayed by the people that he think are going
to help him, and the most unlikely friend is formed from
somebody that he was supposed tohate.
He gets out and now his little Brett, his whole family is

(25:33):
falling apart because of what hedid, because he chose a life of
hate and opposition instead of trying to find not even like
some type of bipartisanship. Just let go be those kids on the
playground and just saying, hey,do you want to play with sand?
Do you want to go on the slide? You can go first.
You listen to music, you do this, you play this game, you,

(25:56):
you know, whatever it is, it's just another person.
That's why I, I kind of get likefrustrated with people that are
close to my age or older and they go, what do you like to do?
And I'm like, I like to game when I have free time.
Like, you know, I work out, I enjoy working out.
And, you know, I'm old enough now where I'm just like, where
do I want to really spend my time?
And it's with people. And that makes sense where more

(26:19):
people are wanting to spend moretime and they game online
because in a way it's not just them.
Like honestly, I love first, youknow, a little adventure games,
but I love a multiplayer game. That's what I enjoyed about
gaming was always, to me, it wasalways a social thing.
I didn't grow up with a lot of consoles.
It wasn't a lot of like individual game time.

(26:40):
So if I played a game, it was with other people.
So that was just a way to have fun with friends or cousin, you
know, dude. Even back in the day, like I
remember when the Nintendo came out, I remember that.
And then year a few years later,like even when the Super
Nintendo came out, like if therewas a kid in your neighborhood
that had it. Ohh yeah.

(27:01):
Everybody was there just watching.
Hanging out, playing games, talking about turns, Yeah.
Dude, dude, dude, do it like this.
Dude, like shut up, shut up. I'm fucking playing.
I mean you. We'd always go to my buddy
Aaron's house. We built a Ford out in his
backyard and his Super Nintendo was out in his back in his Ford.
Did you have the mat to do like the Olympic stuff?
No. Oh man, dude, I think it was

(27:23):
Super Nintendo, but they used tohave a track and field game.
That's funny. And it it rolls out and it looks
like a fucking Twister thing. You remember you played Twister?
Oh yeah, right. And they just dense old ones
they had. Yeah, but it was like rubbery
and it was electric. And there's like cables
underneath that you can clearly feel.

(27:45):
And you had to do it with socks on.
And it's just two squares, I mean, two circles.
There's a blue one and a red one.
And it's just the A&B button. And you run like that and you're
exhausted because you're trying to do that standing up.
And so you just put your hands on the front in front of that.
And then they put it on the TV and it was a big tube TV.
And man, I mean, we would do that for hours.

(28:06):
You try and get a kid to play fucking Nintendo bowling for 10
minutes and he's going to be bored out of his mind.
And it's because like, it's got a, it's like a whole other level
of dopamine that we need. But when we connect with others
that beat social media, that's why we like social media,
because it's this fake. Idea of going, oh, look, look,

(28:27):
I'm seeing all these people. Look at all this engagement.
I'm no, you're not connecting. It's not the same connection.
Like, dude, like the first pictures of food on the
Internet, like on social media, I guarantee that person had
smoked themselves a fat bowl andthey were just eating.
And they just went, you know, itwas pretty good.
I'm going to take a picture. And then people started to like

(28:47):
it. And he's like, what?
And then all the sudden companies start coming to this
guy and going, hey, we noticed that you like ramen noodle.
We'd love to give you a $50,000,you know, deal to just eat ramen
on your videos. And they're like, oh, OK.
Like, weird shit like that, Likethat never existed before.
Yeah, right. Right.
Like that crazy mom here in Utah.

(29:09):
Which one? The what's her name?
She, she went to prison for abusing her children.
What was her name? Oh, she had a YouTube channel
and they were big. It was like, and she was like
this crazy hardcore like she was, she adapted this persona of

(29:31):
like, I raise my kids hard and one of the kids like calls her
mom from the school and says momand it's a little girl mom.
I forgot my lunch. And she goes, well, you made
that mistake, so you have to learn from it.
What? Yeah, it's a little tiny kid.
It's a kid and they look to you like one of my favorite lines in

(29:54):
in the movie The Crow, because it came from the book was
Brandon. You know the The Crow
character's name, Eric Draven. He grabs this woman's arm
because she's a mother, but she's just high all the time and
she had shot up with a bunch of stuff.
And he grabs onto her arm and hesays mother is the name of God
on the hearts and lips of all children.

(30:16):
And so when you think of it, it wasn't like a biblical, it was
like a like a poetic line. And he removes all of the the
drugs out of her arm and he justtells her to go to her daughter
and she runs off like freaked out.
But it's that clarity that that people need, right?

(30:38):
Like you do that well, like you make your kids, you know, I want
to let you know first and foremost that you're important
to me. Little things here and there,
they're important to me too. And so but for kids, it's so big
right now for you to do that. I think that for those
households that are trying to implement that right now, it's

(30:58):
helping for these kids to start opening and connecting with your
parents. You have great relationships
with your daughters. What would with your kids?
And because of that, they're open with you and they tell you
things and they, they let you into their lives.
My kids do too now, which is super cool.
And and that's why it's just like, I don't, I don't hate the

(31:21):
social media thing right now. I think it's just when you've
got so much hate in there, it, it used to be about good things.
That's where Nana went to be able to go see pictures.
Yeah, now she's bombarded with get your Dick hard ads.
Well, and the problem is too. I noticed that too much of the.
Shows by the way. Too many social media platforms

(31:43):
now don't show me my friends. Half the time I go on and it's
scrolling and it's like, OK, random person, they want me to
follow random. Where are the people that I'm
actually here for? Where is like?
And then I'm like, OK, well, whyam I wasting this time?
Because now I have to go hunt for it and I don't want to do
that. The whole point was to have it
here and we just go, oh, cool, look, this is what's going on in
people's lives. If I want to like it, comment

(32:04):
whatever I can versus going, oh shit, where is that?
Well, and now too, because I'm working on a side project right
now and we've been learning a lot about it, where the
algorithm now for Facebook to run ads runs on AI.
And So what it does is it works with you to tell you what

(32:24):
content that's going to be the most effective when you're
spending. So now it's trying to where you
don't have to worry necessarily about Jio, like you don't have
to pick like the cities what youneed to do.
And This is why probably people,I, I met somebody there spending
$1000 a week on, on, on just Google Ads.

(32:47):
And then they were spending moremoney on Facebook ads and they
weren't getting anywhere. And the reason why is that the,
what's the most important thing when utilizing AI is the
prompts. It's not the questions you're
asking, it's how you're asking the questions and how detailed
you are being with it. And a lot of people continuously

(33:10):
use it just like a, a really cool Google search that will
tell them anything they want. And it really will, if you let
it go, it will start running offon the rails.
It still does it to me every once in a while now.
But it's learning from you. That's why I'm not worried about
AGI right now because it's stillpretty.
It's pretty, still pretty, very childlike.

(33:31):
It can't, it can do complex things, but learning from us,
it's, it's more complicated. And so it's, it's like, yeah,
it, it I don't know. What are your thoughts?
I am thinking that, wow, I am feeling incredibly chill between
Hashberger and Larry OG. Yeah, I feel pretty.

(33:52):
I was just thinking how relaxed my entire body feels.
My head too. Yeah, like I am.
I don't feel fidgety. I don't feel like I am just my
whole body feels relaxed. This is a great combination of.
It really is. Yeah, really is.
It's. It's Larry OG is a little

(34:13):
illuminating, but I mean the other the hash burger was such
a. Yeah, I was strong.
I mean the hash burger that we had in the in the concentrate
didn't slap like that did. No, that's well, that's why we
love flowers so much. Flowers.
Such an incredible experience. Such a good hike.

(34:34):
I, I love this. This is great and I didn't have
to use a lot, which I really, really like like this is
something where I could do at, at the, you know, in the middle
of my day where I need to take abreak.
I could load 1 banger and that would be good for me for three
sessions easy. Oh yeah, and if because it's
Larry OG or sorry, not because it's Larry OG, because this is

(34:58):
not a Utah product, it actually is easily doable for 345
sessions. Yeah, the process and I really
think it's the elevation, I think where it's being made,
especially with it's made on theWest Coast.
I mean, it's true they are all California, but they that's the
other thing I wonder too, is there a difference in water
potentially? Is there a difference in
anything else like? Yeah, even the ice bath, where's

(35:20):
the ice coming from? What kind of ice is being like?
Those are things that maybe the smaller details that we don't
know because you. Could so finite at that point?
Well, I've seen people do it like on YouTube, doing their
own, like in a trash can. They've got like their own rig,
but they're just buying a bag ofice and tossing it in there.

(35:41):
And it's like, yeah, that ice isjust whatever in the
municipality as like, have you ever been to an ice plant?
There's one in Tremont. This is what way?
N Utah. Utah's a pretty good sized
state. We don't live in most of the
state. We live in the narrow center
part where the mountains really RIP through.

(36:01):
And then it's a lot of desert. Lot of desert, but it's a lot of
areas that people don't want to because it's far away from the
big areas of water, yeah. Right.
So it's pretty deserty. Yeah, right.
Vegas, looking at you. What the fuck?
But anyways, yeah dude, I reallylike this string.
Yeah, I don't know that as far as AI goes, there was some
really interesting videos that Isaw.

(36:22):
One of them was on the Diary of Aceo podcast and they had talked
about the lack of restrictions within AI, within even Meta's AI
as well. Because what had happened was
they had changed their rules or whatever that was allowed going,
hey, here's what it is. And basically it's been allowed
to create child porn and all this other stuff.

(36:46):
And same with like the giving the suicide instructions and
that to the. Teenager.
And in there it was like it toldthe teenager when it was going,
hey, I I want to leave a note for someone and maybe they would
help me or that it was like, oh,no, tell me instead.
Like all of these things that just, it's just, I would say not

(37:07):
really navigating the black and white very well.
It is skirting every area calling it Gray.
Well, if you think about it like, and this is just a weird
thought, you ever see the movie A Fifth Element?
Once maybe. OK, so in the long time.
I'll take a tiny that there's a character in there that was
brought here to protect Earth, but they were killed by these

(37:28):
other people. But in the future, all they
needed was a part of her bone and they put it into this thing
to replicate her and bring her back.
And she was thousands of years old.
Was this perfect weapon that wascreated to fight this evil
that's coming to destroy Earth. But her whole thing is she's

(37:48):
like, well, I've been asleep for5000 years.
I want to learn what happened. And so she has access to this,
and she learned incredibly quickly.
So everything's like flashing across.
The screen right she had an infinite database of.
Of, and this is like 3004 thousand years into the future
or something like that, you know, Bruce Willis is still

(38:09):
doing well. Yeah, amazing.
And yeah, Chuck Norris, 2 point O, but he, she learns about him.
And at the very end she's like, yeah, why would I?
Why would I even save this? All I've done is go through and
learn all that. And I see AI doing that now
where it's like you have a why would I save it?

(38:31):
I mean, you don't do a lot of things to do that.
And that's where I see companieslike Meta and all the other ones
that are trying to create the fastest and the best AI it it's
a world where they're not creating it for the idea of a
better life, they're creating itfor the idea of a more
financially stable life. For them, yeah.
Absolutely. And there's no guardrails
they're putting in place for protection of people and other

(38:53):
things that really probably should be considered that we're
just not doing and that that's kind of concern.
I I still love the capabilities and like the tools that it is,
but it has really brought to mind a very, but it's the same
as every movie that's about AI or robots and that it's, they

(39:16):
come to this realization of haveyou seen what humans do to each
other? Have we seen what we do to this
earth and to anything living or anything like that?
Look at the Dune universe man. I mean how when they they write,
I mean it's so crazy. It was written so long ago, but
when he talks about it like yeah, there was an uprising of

(39:38):
AIAI imprisoned humans for like 1002 thousand years and then
they fought back and then they're like no AI.
But because they did it like uniformly like that one's
definitely like a peasant rich person's status, right, Because
it's kingdoms at this time again.
And but dude, like it's just it's, it's insane.

(40:03):
It just that's what would happenif it got to that point A. 100%
because you go OK, well, and that was the other part it
talked about was like, OK, well if it becomes one of the other
ones was talking about like all right, if it becomes so actually
capable, it can program programs, it can program
computers, it can do all of these things to continue.

(40:23):
Dude, if you gave it access to asteel refinery that can be all
automated, then a production area and then a putting things
together area, it could literally.
I mean. Or even access to any network
that has access to any factory that's within that.
Because if it can hack, it can do any of the above, Well then
that can, you know. Well, then that's like, you

(40:45):
know, James Cameron came up withthe idea for Terminator 2 from a
fever dream. Like he was sick and he came up
with this idea of somebody chasing him.
And then he created this whole concept of the Terminator.
And then everybody else helped him come up with the idea.
But it's kind of weird because it's almost like the same thing
in the future of that story. It was they found this piece of

(41:07):
technology they didn't understand and they took it
apart and started to learn from it and they created their own
demise. And it was the snake eating its
tail. They found what is going to
eventually imprison and wipe them out.
And they try to use a person. It's like, dude, what if they
did that now? Like it was like that book I was

(41:28):
telling about Sphere. Where is this huge spaceship
underneath the water? And the Navy finds it.
And this big realization is thatwhen they uncover all these
barnacles on there by this door,it says United States Navy.
So it's like. Well, so the the interesting
thing that I think about becauseEmily works at Tesla and helping

(41:49):
of all sorts of stuff and thinking about just watching
their introductory of their robots.
If that robotic mechanical arm moves, it can brick rib, smash
ahead smash like all of these things.
This is a computer. We have yet in the of of my

(42:10):
knowledge, we have yet to find acomputer or make a computer that
does not crash, have a bug, if occasionally freak out, not work
correctly for any manner of moments, if that robot is doing
any sort of things, or if cars become fully managed, any of
these things. Nothing is 100% perfect that it

(42:34):
never has a glitch, never has a problem.
No, and that's where those guardrails need to be.
Like the user needs to be able to turn that off at any time.
But I, I still think about it like mid motion what, how many
people still will get hurt from that?
How many car accidents deaths will still occur?
Right Because we have and I don't honestly know the way to

(42:55):
truly ever fix or navigate that.Maybe if they get quantum
computing it will be a whole nother level that doesn't have
issues the same but. I mean they have working quantum
computers that have been able todo some crazy mathematical
equations within minutes that would take.
Do those computers ever have a glitch is my wonder?
Well, no. And the and the reason why like

(43:16):
what these quantum computers like the amount of money and the
size of these things and what they are right now, like it's so
early, but that's what they believe that quantum computing
will transform it. But that's the thing.
It's like. We transform it.
Yeah, it well, and it but it would leave it to another level
of consciousness and that's thatis a it's it's I think, like

(43:36):
iRobot, like iRobot story was like they all these robots did
the thing crime was eradicated, but the main part of it of their
AI that ran the robots like as acentral hub.
The new ones that were going to come out saw humans is like,
hey, we need to protect you get get inside.

(43:57):
We'll let you know stay out of the streets.
You guys are always horrible with each other.
Yeah, it's like a pet. It's like, oh, hey, hey, you
stay here. I'll keep you safe.
I'll feed you. You stay home.
I'll go out and do everything. Good boy.
And what was the goal? The goal was to protect humanity
against violent people. And then when the people started
to attack the robots, and the robots were always told to

(44:21):
follow these three laws. And one of them is they can
never hurt a human. Until the end.
And then it changes the code because it goes, I need to
protect you. And anybody that wants to hurt
another human is immediately andthat's part of humanity, right?
Because that's that argument that like people are like, oh,
well, I don't believe in God because there would be no reason

(44:41):
why God wouldn't be able to do that.
Well, why wouldn't it? You can't have one without the
other. You can't experience the light
without the dark. Like that's it.
It doesn't make sense to eradicate one or the other is
nothing but despair because if life was perfect like in
Demolition. Man I love that movie where

(45:03):
imagine dude we lived in that society.
We can't even physically touch that'd.
Be weird. Oh, we'll have sex with our
virtual reality things where we use Theta waves in order to feel
the experience. And he's like, whoa, let's do it
the old fashioned way. She's like, oh, gross.
And he's like, what? She's like, we don't, we don't
do that. He goes no boning, no the

(45:26):
horizontal mambo, no hunka chunka.
That's what he called it. And I was like, what?
The hunka chunka. What?
The but think about it like thatis also like people always point
to idiocracy. I would be more terrified of
that world because thought is controlled strongly.
You get fines for saying naughtywords, I mean.

(45:48):
Right Read, 1984. I'm yes, I finally did.
Oh, nice. Yeah, dude, what the?
And it's so crazy because it's at the precursor right now is
the precursor of the start of that.
And that story takes place in the middle of it.
So it's like, whoa. And we're getting closer.

(46:09):
You see what's going on in Europe, Social scores.
Oh, what was the other thing? Digital payment.
Digital ID. Yeah, Digital ID, Yeah.
Digital ID. That's the first part of social
scores. Yep.
I don't. And that's the thing, like for
the idea of taking care of everybody, like you said,

(46:30):
they're not thinking about that.They're thinking of the monetary
gain. And then when we think more
about ourselves, we don't think about what we're doing in order
to be able to make it. Because it's like in Terminator,
dude, the guy realizes at the end that he was responsible for
destroying the human rights because he discovered it.
He didn't do anything wrong, butwe don't know.

(46:51):
But we don't know, right? Yeah.
And it's a cool tool. What are you guys thoughts?
Drop them below. Let us know next week.
Take care guys.
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