October 9, 2025 • 35 mins
Today’s Sesh kicks off with a blunt look at the business side of cannabis — how even the best growers are struggling to stay afloat while the black market keeps raking in billions. Brandon and Jesse dive into why legal weed can still cost more than your vacation dinner and why the real issue might not be taxes… it’s access.
Somewhere between a deep convo on market dynamics and Jesse’s leg-day complaints, the guys light up Voodoo Burgerfrom San Juan Squish Co — a wild strain that tastes like melted crayons and hits straight to the face. It’s equal parts brain fog and head lift, the kind of dab that makes a serious talk turn into gym-bro philosophy hour.
From Utah’s medical hurdles to California’s oversupply chaos, this episode hits on what’s broken in the cannabis system — and why the little craft growers are still the soul of the plant. Expect laughs, rants, and some solid gear talk (including the Puffco proxy debate and how not to get wax all over your lips).
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(00:00):
I'm Brandon. And I'm Jesse, we're cannabis.
School having cannabis infused conversations.
With everyday people. Cannabis companies.
Celebrities. And your mom?
Welcome to the sesh, hi. Oh hello, Hi ass.
Welcome to the sesh and welcome.Welcome.
So I I was cruising along and I found this random thing that was
(00:23):
mentioned to me in my feed and it was on cannabis business.
It was this really cool NBA. It goes across the business side
and talking about the struggles that cannabis has been having
lately. It's already ready to go.
So you just have to press it. And one of the things that it
started to point out is that we're starting to see some
(00:45):
cracks. We already knew this was coming.
Yeah. And it's really hard for these
cannabis producers to be able tofind great retail stores to be
able to sell it at. And it kind of points to some of
the things that Bijan had said where it's more difficult now
for for for cannabis companies in general right now just trying
(01:08):
to be able to compete. A lot of the requests Bijan had
touched on this like, you know, people want like the the sweet
strains, the candy strains, the and it's all hybridized now,
like everybody wants the hybridsO GS are are are cool and all,
but they're like we want the feeling and a lot of it just
(01:30):
keeps. I don't know, man, like what do
you think it it can't just be the cost of cannabis.
There's a part in the consumption part.
I mean it is black market. What did they say, like $8
billion just in? In California black market,
yeah. And in the.
Last year. And the the legal markets like
6. I thought it was 3.
(01:51):
Or three. Yeah, it.
Was way lower. In I knew it was.
Something but even here in Utah,they knew that you know they
were they were estimating that it was anywhere from like 54 to
some other thing was like 74% ofall cannabis in Utah is outside
it's. It's ridiculous.
It's either black market or it's, you know, other states.
(02:14):
Which is, but it's hard for the consumer, but at the same time.
Well, it is. And I had a friend that I talked
to yesterday about it because there was a time that she let
her card go like she can't, didn't renew it and they asked
why and she said due to cost, itwas due to expenses.
And you know, it's kind of like how we learned earlier that even
(02:37):
in Utah, the cost of the card isdictated by the Q&P, not by the
state. And the state cost is now $5
from their 15. So at least they've dropped that
a lot. Our taxes are really low because
it's medical, so we don't have state tax tacked on top of that.
No, but then the But the cannabis company takes all the
risks. Yes, so well then they're taxed
(02:58):
out the butt and so their margins on there aren't very
high, but the Q and PS where, you know, they do all these
other services as well and they just added medical cards into
it, like where they're charging,oh, 75 bucks as a deal, but yet
they realistically could. And I talked about that with her
because they're going to Hawaii for her brother's wedding next
(03:22):
month. And she was asking if I knew
anyone out in Hawaii. And if any of you guys out in
Hawaii happen to have any green things and are happy to help
brother out, you let me know 'cause we might have people
coming your way and they could use some greener things.
But it's, it's more of like eventhere you have to buy a card or
(03:43):
do that. And I was like, well, you know,
it was reasonable for me when I went to California and the area
I was in was strictly medical. So I had to get a card.
But I got a card online for 50 bucks.
And to me I was like, OK, that'sfine, it's reasonable.
But at the same time, if I didn't have to spend $50.00 to
get a medical card, that's another eight.
(04:03):
That's a cartridge, that's whatever and product that I
would have been able to spend. That's a dinner.
That's, you know, whatever on your.
Vacation. That you're like is way better
with that that I'm having tack on now.
So I mean, even when we went outto Beehive and Matt Bijon and
there were those dudes going, hey, we're from California and
(04:26):
we just flew in. We know we look like BYU
students that are in their 40s now, but would you go in and get
us some weed? All right, police officer, let
me please help you out here. Yeah, they they called the cops
on them. Yeah, we kicked him out.
Like get out of here. You don't.
Yeah. What?
Are you doing here? Yeah, it's crazy.
(04:46):
Like, you know, and it's it's kind of stupid to think that if
there is any cops that are trying to be able to catch
people outside of dispos, but you got enough things.
Fucking do. I mean, I sure you do.
Your job is dangerous as fuck. You know, it's not thank it's
it's a thankless job, but it's aplan, dude, right.
(05:07):
It's kind of weird taste crans. San Juan Squishko and it's
Voodoo Burger Jesse's as it tastes like crayons.
Dude, it's like fucking melting crayons in there.
That's what it smells like. And I'm like, and it's got a
little bit of sour taste now. It goes right to the head right
away. Right away it goes to the head.
We've had very heady strains today.
(05:29):
Yeah, it's been constantly raining.
I know I've actually actually liked it because we don't get a
lot of rain. Oh, it's going to be so green.
Yeah, grass is gonna be awesome.Hope fall colors in the canyons
are beautiful. Oh yeah, especially around here,
man. Very to the face.
Oh yeah, interesting. It's a little rough on the
(05:49):
throat. Not not terrible.
Like I'm not coughing it out. No, it's just lingers.
Yeah, like in your lungs and thetop and.
I wonder if it's got karyophylline is like the top.
Oh interesting, it karyophyllineis a second one but a miracine
is the top Turk and then also pyrinine and.
(06:12):
Yeah, this is an indica strain for sure.
You can feel it on the chest. But it's straight to the face
though. Yeah, it dissipated from top of
the head like it was pretty quick.
Now I'm clear. This has almost 6% CBG.
Yeah, I was thinking this is more of like an
anti-inflammatory strain becauseI'm thinking about it right now,
you know, and it and it's a goodthing to think about like what
(06:33):
you're taking into the body as as you know, maybe you guys have
noticed, but I've lost significant amount of weight.
Throughout the show, yeah, 100%.And now like.
How do you feel? Lighter, It's crazy.
I can do like crazy amount of pull ups now.
So I'm like, Oh yeah, I mean I'm, I'm decently strong.
(06:54):
I'm not, I'm like, I'm not a bodybuilder by any means, but
I'm strong and, and normally I couldn't pull myself up.
Now I'm just like. Hell yeah.
What do you got now on your pullups?
Oh, I could easily clear 15 froma dead hang.
And it's but I love to, I love to push myself.
But it's kind of weird now working out and being so much
(07:15):
thinner. Yeah.
Because I can see everything. I'm really vascular now and and
the muscles are defined. They look bigger than they did
before. But from my head, I was always
like when I was a kid, it was always like, you ought to be
giant. But I'm just like, I want to
feel like, like I'm a fit Navy SEAL.
I want to be able to use this. Yeah, but I want to look good,
(07:38):
too, you know? I like that feeling.
We're all vain and in one point or another.
And it looks good. If you're like, hell yeah, you
know, I know. I know when I was fat and I was
like fuck yeah, look at this shit.
I mean I. Damn impressed to to gaze your
eyes on this beast. But I took a progress photo and
I could actually see like, my chest is bigger, my shoulders
(07:59):
are thicker. Like there's definite change
already in that, but it feels nice.
And then I noticed, like, last weekend was fanics and, and
Emily's family was in town. And so for four days straight, I
didn't go to the gym at all. And then I noticed.
Because I'm like, oh. Man, I've been going like well
(08:21):
all the time. And so then my body starts
hurting more if I'm not going and stuff I'm like need to get
back to that gym. That's that's me exactly.
Could T Dude, I got to get I I missed the last two days and I'm
like, OK, I gotta go. So today it's I got to go and
it's not fun day. It's leg day.
(08:41):
It sucks. I hate leg day just because of.
I'm still feeling leg day in my butt like this morning my butt
cheeks were so. Sore leg day.
Leg day. Maybe it's the size of a leg.
That's why you're limping. Yeah.
That's true. No, no, no, I I agree with you.
Anyways, go back to what we wereoriginally talking about.
(09:02):
This is this is a bit of like it.
It takes it's really easy to sidetrack it.
So be prepared. If you're like, I can't handle
that shit today, click, that's fine.
But just watching that video, we'll actually put that down
below. It was really eye opening
because often we complain as consumers of cannabis, like why
(09:23):
the fuck is this so expensive? Why is it cheaper for my plug?
Well, because your plug doesn't have all the taxes.
All the regulation and stuff that they have to go within.
And even if, you know, private grows, craft grows, whatever a
black market grows, they're going to be good ones and
there's going to be a lot of badones too.
So it's like it's, it's toss up,man.
(09:46):
Like when you find like a reallygood plug, really good plug
that's hard to come by, that's really hard to come by.
There's a lot of shady dudes outthere.
A lot. Of shady products a lot of
unreliable people like you guys know well.
It was like one of the things tolearn about without that woman
talking about her business, where there are other people out
(10:09):
there who are trying to skirt around the law by saying it's
hemp, well, you know, it's not him.
It's like the THCA stuff, which is 100% the same shit.
It's just or like the other in that video, they talked about it
and this, a lot of this came from California's industry, some
of the other stuff as well. But like when you have
(10:29):
California businesses or any business that's being taxed
2535. You.
Know and they're not getting thetax write offs and benefits that
you usually would from all the like.
You're taxed first. You're not taxed after all of
your other stuff like oh, how much money do you have left
after you ran your business? Yeah, everything it took to
(10:49):
produce like this product to getit to be in their stores that
you could request to buy from. As soon as you buy it, they lose
money. Yeah, versus.
Like instantly lose money. There's no, there's a lot of you
have to sell a mass quantity of it.
It's like. Your plug has no taxes, no
regulation. So you know when you think about
(11:11):
it like there is benefits to like you know where Dragonfly
has a longer stint of strains that will stay in their stores,
they produce a lot of flour. I will say that they produce a
lot of flour. And so it could be difficult to
be able to keep up with that because they've also white label
(11:33):
other people's as wells. And so it's it's all grown from
the same place, yet they roll itout a lot slower where Bijan's
people is rolling out quite a bit quicker.
And they're typically just listening to the consumer.
Not this would be awesome, but more of what are they saying?
(11:56):
And that's where the bud tenders.
Hey, what are you? What are you feeling about that
one? Tell me about it.
And then they talk about it. Yeah, they just talk about, oh,
yeah, I heard from somebody else.
Now it's not a recommendation from them.
Oh, patient before you came up here and said this about that
one, if that's what you're looking for, that's what they
think. That was really great.
(12:17):
So now you can, like, skirt around it.
Third person. So I'm going to get everyone's
thoughts at home and your thoughts on this.
When we look at like illicit market, black market, legacy
market versus industry, what do you think the largest hindrance
is for people getting into that market, switching from the black
market to the other because not every state's medical.
(12:41):
So like here, do you think it's the medical card cost?
Do you think it's the the cost of the products that translates
that makes it the biggest hindrance and going to like even
California, they've have medicaland REC 2, but medical really in
most states where it's like thatis your edible dose is higher.
Aside from that, flour still flour concentrates are still
(13:03):
concentrates. So you don't really get anything
different aside from dose, and that's really only in maybe a
tincture or an edible. I think it's going to be more of
the cost and and what I mean by that is that they're not
providing enough type of low barrier to entry products such
as your Ms. OS. Well, right.
(13:25):
Your your carts are always goingto be your number one go to
people are like it's convenient it.
It doesn't. Great.
Yeah, it's doesn't smell. I live in an apartment complex I
I rent. I go, I'm at work.
I can't go smoke. Like one day I smoked flour out
outside, put some gum in my mouth after and I stood out
there for like 15 minutes and I came in.
(13:45):
I'm like, I probably still smelllike it.
I'm just going to keep. Quiet, did you vaporize?
Yeah. You think that smells if you use
gum? Yeah, it still does.
I I tried it with Steph. She.
Gets melt in it. Yeah, OK.
And so I was like, but concentrates, no, I'm good to go
a vape cart, which is a lot moreconvenient than a dab rig.
But these dab rigs are small, soisn't that big of a deal.
(14:07):
I mean, that one's like super. Small.
Honestly, though, I that's the smallest one.
Yeah, I. I think I would take.
This to work every day and just leave it in my car in a little
lock box. Yep, come out.
That's what I do. Dab because I like the
experience of concentrates from like a a solvent list thing way
more than a cart. 100%. Like every day.
(14:30):
And so if I could choose to havethis in my car and do that.
Well, that's like the one I was telling about the Puff Co.
What's it called? Oh proxy.
Yeah, I don't like that thing. You were saying that?
Yeah, it kind of feels like a cheaper version of the PAX, and
that says a lot. Pax is a great entry.
My little vaporizer back in the day.
However, flavor. No, and I don't like the
(14:51):
cleaning. Entry level because it's too.
Back in the day I was saying. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
Back in the day, was it not? Now there's too many, too many
different products that are way cheaper.
Like at Dragonfly when I went yesterday, the I don't know what
they call them. It's not a bud tender because
it's, or maybe it is, but he washelping me and I was asking him
(15:13):
what he uses and he's like, oh, I'm mostly flour.
And I was like, OK, cool. So in Utah, what are you
vaporizing with then? Because obviously he works at
the pharmacy, so he's got to have a Utah product that he can
do that with. So he said he uses the Pax and
he's like, but I don't really like it.
It doesn't seem to do a lot of smoke.
It doesn't. And I was like, yeah, Pax is my
least favorite product. I'm like it.
(15:34):
It was my very first one, but there wasn't tons on the
product. I like the size.
I like, you know, and the pricing range.
It was great. But like you said, and he was
like, well, what do you recommend?
I was like, well, it depends on your budget.
It's like X Vapes makes fantastic products and they're
80 to 120 that you can find amazing.
Products. Great products.
I was like Healthy Ribs has a fantastic one.
(15:56):
They're around 100, a $150.00. They're not crazy expensive.
I was like, both of them have been fantastic and both have
attachments that you can put into your bong so you can
vaporize it directly through like your yeah, you.
Can thing triple filter? Yeah.
I said Air Vapes is good, they're about 250, but I had to
turn my temp up higher than I like to to get there.
(16:17):
So then flavors change. I said stores and Pickles,
Amazing. But if that's not your price
range, then you know that. Yeah.
But I will say, I mean it's. Actually, let's do this because
I've been, I've been very curious because I've mentioned
it multiple times. Well, and and while you're
looking that up, I'll talk aboutthat Puffco one.
(16:37):
It it's I didn't like it becauseit it gets waxy all over your
lips. Yes.
OK, I don't like that. I mean, I hit this.
I don't get waxy all over my lips and that thing.
So this is what I was looking upwas the new stores and Bickel
VZ. Oh, let me see that so it comes
in. We'll show an image on the
(16:58):
screen. Yeah, we'll put it on there.
It's $250 for the smaller version of the Venti that.
But it's a step above the mighty.
Probably a step above the crafty.
I don't know if it's a step above the mighty because the
Mighty has a really good batterylife.
They have new colors that's. What I'm saying, it came in four
colors. I would get orange.
(17:19):
Yeah, it looks so cool. All of you're gonna the founder
of stores and Pickle. He always has like the orange
one all the time and his stuff. Yeah, it looks so cool.
That is so cool. But that's just it is there's so
much range of quality and like variety now.
Wow that I just and PAX is the only one that produces that
(17:41):
peanutty note. I have not had another one that
every single strain tastes like peanut.
No. And so.
The other ones I The only thing I don't like about the other
ones compared to Storis and Bickel is temperature control
and. Well, all of those.
The X vapes. Except the crafty Crafty and it
looks like the Venti you don't get to control.
(18:02):
The healthy rips and the X vapesgives you full temp control.
Oh, I know. I just, I remember those and I
was like, yeah, they were OK. They just.
But I I've always gone back to the.
I've always gone back to the mighty.
I have two. I've always gone.
Just such a good product. Like such a good product?
I still have my Aria, the X vapes, but that's only because
(18:23):
it fits into the bong and that'sthe one I have that I could, if
I want to vaporize it in a bong.Yeah, I could use that.
Yeah, I have. I've done it a couple times but
I have to turn it up to like 5 like way higher.
Yeah, it's not worth it. I'd rather torch it.
And it's like, it's fine. Yeah, me too.
If I'm going to do that, I'd rather.
Just use the clean. Torch and.
(18:44):
Let's fucking do it. Yeah, yeah, that's I, I really,
you know, just thinking about like how how I can complain as a
consumer. Yeah, I can complain.
Do I always purchase, you know, products from a pharmacy?
No. No.
(19:04):
And I mean. Our show was started on products
from out of state. Oh, 100% And it was, you know,
it was, it was mostly disties, which we used to shit all over.
Disties and flour. Yeah, disties and flour.
Occasional concentrate. Yeah.
Oh, very rare. Very rare at that time.
But they were not. There was such a wide range in
quality. Oh yeah.
But the if you now man, like it's great.
(19:26):
Now we have so many varieties ofdifferent concentrates and
people are starting to get into that.
And, you know, it's it's be morecommonplace.
Like, you know, it was cool. We were outside of a restaurant.
He and Nearest and I, we'd met up and he's like, oh, meet me at
this place for a beer. And I'm like, I don't.
And then he's like, you don't want any beer?
(19:48):
I mean, you serious? I'm like, yeah, I don't, I just
don't drink. And he's like, oh, I thought you
did. And I'm like, no dude, no, not
at all. And the lady's like, well, we
have really good non alcoholic beers and I'm like really like
extra. She goes, yeah, their Heineken's
pretty good. I'm like, I'll do that.
Thoughts. Good.
Does it taste like a normal beer?
Yeah. Interesting.
(20:09):
Tasted great. I like I like that skunk.
It's skunkier than your coronas.No no, the corona skunkier than
that 1. So it's a lot milder than a
corona. Yeah, Heineken's usually a
pretty subtle it's. It's great ice.
Cold. Yes, has to be thirsty.
Quenching. It was good, dude, because I had
that one non alcoholic beer and I was like, man, I'm good.
(20:31):
Like I just, it just tasted good.
Yeah, it's just flavorful because I like those flavors.
That's how I think. I really like cannabis flavors
too because I can pick up the notes.
Like like with beer, you could pick up if it's really hoppy,
you know, or you know if it's a pilsner or if it's.
I had an. Ale.
Gone Sweetwater Pizza place Sweetwater in the Riverwoods
(20:56):
with Preston and Kaylee a while back and I ordered AIPA and they
brought it out and it looked like a stout.
It was dark and I. Was it more amber color?
No, it was dark. Like a stout that's a stout.
And I, and I look at it, I'm like, what the fuck?
(21:16):
Can I pick it up? And I take a sip and I'm like,
this tastes like a stout. This is really dark.
This is, this is the weirdest looking IPA I've ever seen.
And the waiter comes back and I was like, is this the this one?
He's like, Oh no, we've got like4 different beers of that, four
different types of that name. And I'm like when I asked for
(21:36):
it, like thinking why didn't youclarify or ask then if I asked
for this one, why didn't you go?Which one of those would you
like? Like 'cause I said the IPA and I
just was like all right. So he went and fixed the beer
and brought it back. But I usually I'll drink like.
Two, I like stouts like Guinness.
(21:57):
I don't mind them, but I feel like it's more of a deserty
thing. It has to be.
I'm in the mood for it and I don't want to start with my
pizza. No, it would rob the pizza of
the flavor. Yeah, you want an IPA or a
pilsner. So I I just was like I no switch
this pack. I'm not crazy.
I mean, even I it doesn't, it can enhance flavors, yeah, but
(22:20):
it it can't be a Bud Light. No, it's like pairings of
things, wines, you know, you, you don't drink like a red wine
with fish and stuff. You you have certain things that
you just. Like, like a roast, Yeah, with
the gravy and. Stuff like that, particularly
because of the flavor pairings and that.
Yeah, this strain's pretty cool for that.
(22:41):
It's just a weird flavor. Not.
Crazy cottonmouth. Like it's a little bit dry, but
it's not super bad. Dude, yeah.
It's been a solventless day I'vequite enjoyed.
This, it's quite a few. It's been.
You doing good? Yeah, I'm doing really good.
No, I'm just thinking about like, I don't know, man, this
one's hard to kind of point down.
(23:02):
Like the string gives me kind ofscatterbrain.
A little bit. Yeah, I'm like all weird and
foggy. Pretty much in my jaw.
Right here. Too.
Yeah, it's like. Right around this area.
It's interesting, really crazy, and my eyes keep going closed
'cause I'm like, you could just.Yeah, I feel it.
Heavy on the eyelids. Yeah, it's that.
(23:23):
Weird feeling. Yeah.
So weird. Yeah.
It's good, though. I mean, it's not bad.
I like it. What's this one?
Voodoo Burger. Yeah, Voodoo Burger by San Juan
Squishko. That's.
Pretty good. If you're in Utah, you gotta
check that out, yeah. Yeah, Burger might be around.
You could check it out and see. Oh man, I just well anyways,
(23:43):
like see, not a good strain to talk about a focused topic.
I I like what I learned in that video, but what it told me is
that, yeah, that sucks for cannabis companies.
That sounds like it's gearing upmore to be better for consumers.
And I have to say that the quality of products that have
been coming out from a lot of producers, a lot of different
(24:06):
brands, you really can't be a subpar producer in cannabis
these days. You just can't, no, you got to
produce high quality, great products.
Like when we were talking bees on you're like, yeah, he, he
doesn't know anything but awesome.
And I'm like, yeah, truly, dude.Like I, I don't, I don't have
those stories of getting swag, swag weed and, you know, from
(24:29):
some fucker. And he's like, yeah, good luck
with the seeds and stems. Yeah, dude, I, I had one bag of
that and I got so excited because I think we got it for
like $75 and it was maybe. This is a shake.
Yeah, yeah. And it wasn't even shake.
It was like schwag is what it was called because it was a lot
of sticks. It was a lot of seeds.
It was just really shitty hermedflour, I guess you would
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probably call it. But someone decided to sell it
because that was the market then.
And, you know, so it wasn't great.
The experience gives you headaches.
It wasn't like something you'd want to really use.
But at the time, it was like, Ohmy God, look how much I got for
that versus, hey, I paid $60.00 for an eighth and yeah, it was
granddaddy perp and it was a nice experience.
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But like, and that was expensiveand that went really fast.
You know, when you hang out witha few buddies and you can smoke
that in a couple times and you're like, oh shit, that went
real fast. And that's before I had a
tolerance. Like now, I could smoke an
eighth in a sitting. Easy.
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So I don't know like my 2 jointsyesterday probably had probably
like 2G total, a little over 2, but.
Still a lot for many people. That's what I like about that.
I've kept my my tolerance metal,but now I'm just like, you know,
with with the blessings that we've had with so many
different, you know, products that we've been able to go
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through and so many more to still go through.
I've just love the the stepping up of every bit of the quality
as I do not want our state to bea a rec state at all.
Now I just want more. Qualifying conditions.
I want better qualifying conditions.
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Easier access. And more and and more places to
buy I. Would love home grown.
I just, I don't see Utah ever getting on.
Eventually, I think it will. On medicine.
They'll they'll have to be more people here for it to happen
because then eventually, but that's the thing like where we
have so many people buying product out of state or, you
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know, black market. Yeah, but I'm thinking about
that. So when I used to drive to
Denver, I would go all the way out there because I could go get
concentrates for anywhere from 12 to $18.00 a gram.
Yeah. And that was not, not like top
shelf, but like you could get them and that would come out
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here and translate to $6575 a gram.
And if I'm a patient and I'm going well, I can drive out
there on a tank of gas and buy well, 7-8 grams at one
dispensary. Well, that might cost me $100
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and concentrates. That's almost one time at the
pharmacy buying 1g here when I'm$7585 and they're looking at it
going well, I just bought because you go to a dispensary
in, in Denver. Well, sometimes you find a deal
and it's you buy 7G, you get them for 10 bucks, you're $70.
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And that happens in those reallylike competitive markets like
like Colorado and California andthat's why they're black market
is extremely high still. But you think of that and how
they compete with that and, and going, OK, well, we've got a Med
card that you have to purchase 1st and then that Med card might
be $75. Well, you could have just driven
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to Colorado and bought a handfulof concentrates.
That legit, that's a, that's a that's filling up and then
topping off and get back. And you're like, so I, I
understand that struggle for a lot of patients because that was
my struggle for so many years. And it was, I mean, we also
didn't have medical program. There was no legal cannabis
here. And I found it was much better
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quality if I was getting it froma pharmacy like or a dispensary
than if I found it from a plug, except for the plug I had was
getting it from a dispensary andtransporting it here.
And so it was like, oh, when I learned that.
And he told me, well, I just go to Colorado and get it here.
You can do the same. And it cost me half cost.
I was like, that makes sense forme.
But it was time, it was investment.
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It was a lot of hours driving. It was, you know, and, and you
that's a risk. It's a risk of going, oh shit.
Well, now I, I crossed the stateline not to sell it, but to use
medicine like it makes you feel criminal.
Just to like for me to have chronic pain, to not be taking
pills every day. Oh yeah, well, now I feel like a
criminal. And then my ex-wife lives in
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Texas, always going, oh, you canmove down here.
No, I can't. I live in a legal state.
Finally, I'm not going to move to a place that it's not legal.
Where people get. Crude all the time for using
cannabis and I'm like that's, that's not right.
No, and that's the thing, this. Interesting strain.
It takes the conversation in. So many different ways, yeah.
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And I feel like really floaty. I'm very curious and hopeful for
the small scale craft growers and businesses who are small
like like Beehive. Focusing on good grow.
And just art there for the patients or for the people or
for the love of cannabis, not these large Ms. OS who are like,
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hey, we're just holding out and.When I get the you have to have
those. You know, funded, you know, and
it's, it's a whole different experience for those types of
companies. But you get what you paid for.
And and when you go, when you buy stuff from, like if you buy
the great value product, you know, you're just getting a
subpar product being thrown on the shelf may or may not have
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nutritional value. That's your MSO, right?
Yeah. Your craft grows or that burger
joint that's been around for like 15 years still pop one.
Yes, small scale it's not. Got the best flavors?
You're going to pay a little bitmore.
Everything's made to order. But you're also supporting that
business and you got to think about that They're creating that
for you at a loss, not because they're good people, but because
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they see that they're going to play the long game, and that
long game will. It could eventually happen in
many different ways, and who knows?
Though I was thinking about it 'cause that video, and we'll
have the link below, it talks about the experience.
Yeah, and I thought about that alot in the pharmacies here and
each one that I walked into interactions, the feel of it,
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the look of it, you know, and it's been from Walgreens type of
feel to even more clean and prescribed like doctor's office
kind of feel to almost like California vibes feel.
And there's a whole variation ofthat.
And and I feel like that also brings people back is that
experience. Cause a lot of the times we have
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same products across the board from one to the next to the
next, unless companies are running heads, they're like,
well, you're not getting my shitand I'm, you're not getting my
shit. And like, you know, it's, or if
they undercut them, you know, like where we hear that another
one's offering their products onsale and so well, then all of a
sudden they're selling at a lower price.
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But yeah. They're doing it at a loss
because they can, because they can take.
Those or the funded companies who are like, oh hey, we'll
offer this and. That's why you see the deals
there all the time and all they're doing is just going
through soon to be expired product.
They're just dropping the price.When I went to key relief and
other ones and tried a lot of those lower grade products, the
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feels were the same. Like select the.
Flavors were the same, like there was almost a terping
flavor across one of the brands that it didn't matter what
strain you used, it had the samebuttery type of terping flavor.
And I was like, this is weird. I don't, I don't like it.
I've never had this from any brand any strain ever and find
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it consistently across this brand.
Just feels weird and gross and. The one I did like that I had,
you just brought that up, the flavor and all that, and I was
like, yeah, I remember that one.He shared that with me.
I was like, that's weird. But Select had this one.
It was a Pineapple Express and it tasted like roasted
pineapple. Oh, that would be tasty.
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Right. I was like, I loved it.
It's a shitty experience. Every select pen I've ever
bought, it always gives me headaches.
Every single time I get headaches from that.
So I'm just like, that's what you get.
I as I was sitting there yesterday at the dispensary and
I was like, oh man, if, if it's not over a certain dollar
amount, they won't use my full stipend.
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So do I actually like buy something extra?
And so while they were over at the little window, I was looking
through their tablet and stuff and there was this select pen
that popped up. And for a second I was like, do
I do? I do, I get that.
I'm like, now why the fuck wouldyou spend your money on that?
That's a disti like don't ever spend your money doing that.
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So I just, I didn't, I left it and just got the two strains of
flour and called it good. So.
Yeah. But I don't know, it's, it's
interesting to see. Do you guys have like a
particular pharmacy dispensary that you prefer?
Is it because of pricing? Is it how close it is to you?
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Is it just there's not a lot of pharmacies or dispensaries in
your area? Is it pricing on product like or
the experience? What is it that you guys go for
that keeps you going back? Yeah, this has got me really.
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I used that one yesterday. No, that's awesome.
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I'm Brandon. And I'm Jesse, we're cannabis.
School having cannabis infused conversations.
With everyday people. Cannabis companies.
Celebrities. And your mom?
Welcome to the sesh, hi. Oh hello, Hi ass.
Welcome to the sesh and welcome.Welcome.
So I I was cruising along and I found this random thing that was
(00:23):
mentioned to me in my feed and it was on cannabis business.
It was this really cool NBA. It goes across the business side
and talking about the struggles that cannabis has been having
lately. It's already ready to go.
So you just have to press it. And one of the things that it
started to point out is that we're starting to see some
(00:45):
cracks. We already knew this was coming.
Yeah. And it's really hard for these
cannabis producers to be able tofind great retail stores to be
able to sell it at. And it kind of points to some of
the things that Bijan had said where it's more difficult now
for for for cannabis companies in general right now just trying
(01:08):
to be able to compete. A lot of the requests Bijan had
touched on this like, you know, people want like the the sweet
strains, the candy strains, the and it's all hybridized now,
like everybody wants the hybridsO GS are are are cool and all,
but they're like we want the feeling and a lot of it just
(01:30):
keeps. I don't know, man, like what do
you think it it can't just be the cost of cannabis.
There's a part in the consumption part.
I mean it is black market. What did they say, like $8
billion just in? In California black market,
yeah. And in the.
Last year. And the the legal markets like
6. I thought it was 3.
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Or three. Yeah, it.
Was way lower. In I knew it was.
Something but even here in Utah,they knew that you know they
were they were estimating that it was anywhere from like 54 to
some other thing was like 74% ofall cannabis in Utah is outside
it's. It's ridiculous.
It's either black market or it's, you know, other states.
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Which is, but it's hard for the consumer, but at the same time.
Well, it is. And I had a friend that I talked
to yesterday about it because there was a time that she let
her card go like she can't, didn't renew it and they asked
why and she said due to cost, itwas due to expenses.
And you know, it's kind of like how we learned earlier that even
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in Utah, the cost of the card isdictated by the Q&P, not by the
state. And the state cost is now $5
from their 15. So at least they've dropped that
a lot. Our taxes are really low because
it's medical, so we don't have state tax tacked on top of that.
No, but then the But the cannabis company takes all the
risks. Yes, so well then they're taxed
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out the butt and so their margins on there aren't very
high, but the Q and PS where, you know, they do all these
other services as well and they just added medical cards into
it, like where they're charging,oh, 75 bucks as a deal, but yet
they realistically could. And I talked about that with her
because they're going to Hawaii for her brother's wedding next
(03:22):
month. And she was asking if I knew
anyone out in Hawaii. And if any of you guys out in
Hawaii happen to have any green things and are happy to help
brother out, you let me know 'cause we might have people
coming your way and they could use some greener things.
But it's, it's more of like eventhere you have to buy a card or
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do that. And I was like, well, you know,
it was reasonable for me when I went to California and the area
I was in was strictly medical. So I had to get a card.
But I got a card online for 50 bucks.
And to me I was like, OK, that'sfine, it's reasonable.
But at the same time, if I didn't have to spend $50.00 to
get a medical card, that's another eight.
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That's a cartridge, that's whatever and product that I
would have been able to spend. That's a dinner.
That's, you know, whatever on your.
Vacation. That you're like is way better
with that that I'm having tack on now.
So I mean, even when we went outto Beehive and Matt Bijon and
there were those dudes going, hey, we're from California and
(04:26):
we just flew in. We know we look like BYU
students that are in their 40s now, but would you go in and get
us some weed? All right, police officer, let
me please help you out here. Yeah, they they called the cops
on them. Yeah, we kicked him out.
Like get out of here. You don't.
Yeah. What?
Are you doing here? Yeah, it's crazy.
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Like, you know, and it's it's kind of stupid to think that if
there is any cops that are trying to be able to catch
people outside of dispos, but you got enough things.
Fucking do. I mean, I sure you do.
Your job is dangerous as fuck. You know, it's not thank it's
it's a thankless job, but it's aplan, dude, right.
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It's kind of weird taste crans. San Juan Squishko and it's
Voodoo Burger Jesse's as it tastes like crayons.
Dude, it's like fucking melting crayons in there.
That's what it smells like. And I'm like, and it's got a
little bit of sour taste now. It goes right to the head right
away. Right away it goes to the head.
We've had very heady strains today.
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Yeah, it's been constantly raining.
I know I've actually actually liked it because we don't get a
lot of rain. Oh, it's going to be so green.
Yeah, grass is gonna be awesome.Hope fall colors in the canyons
are beautiful. Oh yeah, especially around here,
man. Very to the face.
Oh yeah, interesting. It's a little rough on the
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throat. Not not terrible.
Like I'm not coughing it out. No, it's just lingers.
Yeah, like in your lungs and thetop and.
I wonder if it's got karyophylline is like the top.
Oh interesting, it karyophyllineis a second one but a miracine
is the top Turk and then also pyrinine and.
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Yeah, this is an indica strain for sure.
You can feel it on the chest. But it's straight to the face
though. Yeah, it dissipated from top of
the head like it was pretty quick.
Now I'm clear. This has almost 6% CBG.
Yeah, I was thinking this is more of like an
anti-inflammatory strain becauseI'm thinking about it right now,
you know, and it and it's a goodthing to think about like what
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you're taking into the body as as you know, maybe you guys have
noticed, but I've lost significant amount of weight.
Throughout the show, yeah, 100%.And now like.
How do you feel? Lighter, It's crazy.
I can do like crazy amount of pull ups now.
So I'm like, Oh yeah, I mean I'm, I'm decently strong.
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I'm not, I'm like, I'm not a bodybuilder by any means, but
I'm strong and, and normally I couldn't pull myself up.
Now I'm just like. Hell yeah.
What do you got now on your pullups?
Oh, I could easily clear 15 froma dead hang.
And it's but I love to, I love to push myself.
But it's kind of weird now working out and being so much
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thinner. Yeah.
Because I can see everything. I'm really vascular now and and
the muscles are defined. They look bigger than they did
before. But from my head, I was always
like when I was a kid, it was always like, you ought to be
giant. But I'm just like, I want to
feel like, like I'm a fit Navy SEAL.
I want to be able to use this. Yeah, but I want to look good,
(07:38):
too, you know? I like that feeling.
We're all vain and in one point or another.
And it looks good. If you're like, hell yeah, you
know, I know. I know when I was fat and I was
like fuck yeah, look at this shit.
I mean I. Damn impressed to to gaze your
eyes on this beast. But I took a progress photo and
I could actually see like, my chest is bigger, my shoulders
(07:59):
are thicker. Like there's definite change
already in that, but it feels nice.
And then I noticed, like, last weekend was fanics and, and
Emily's family was in town. And so for four days straight, I
didn't go to the gym at all. And then I noticed.
Because I'm like, oh. Man, I've been going like well
(08:21):
all the time. And so then my body starts
hurting more if I'm not going and stuff I'm like need to get
back to that gym. That's that's me exactly.
Could T Dude, I got to get I I missed the last two days and I'm
like, OK, I gotta go. So today it's I got to go and
it's not fun day. It's leg day.
(08:41):
It sucks. I hate leg day just because of.
I'm still feeling leg day in my butt like this morning my butt
cheeks were so. Sore leg day.
Leg day. Maybe it's the size of a leg.
That's why you're limping. Yeah.
That's true. No, no, no, I I agree with you.
Anyways, go back to what we wereoriginally talking about.
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This is this is a bit of like it.
It takes it's really easy to sidetrack it.
So be prepared. If you're like, I can't handle
that shit today, click, that's fine.
But just watching that video, we'll actually put that down
below. It was really eye opening
because often we complain as consumers of cannabis, like why
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the fuck is this so expensive? Why is it cheaper for my plug?
Well, because your plug doesn't have all the taxes.
All the regulation and stuff that they have to go within.
And even if, you know, private grows, craft grows, whatever a
black market grows, they're going to be good ones and
there's going to be a lot of badones too.
So it's like it's, it's toss up,man.
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Like when you find like a reallygood plug, really good plug
that's hard to come by, that's really hard to come by.
There's a lot of shady dudes outthere.
A lot. Of shady products a lot of
unreliable people like you guys know well.
It was like one of the things tolearn about without that woman
talking about her business, where there are other people out
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there who are trying to skirt around the law by saying it's
hemp, well, you know, it's not him.
It's like the THCA stuff, which is 100% the same shit.
It's just or like the other in that video, they talked about it
and this, a lot of this came from California's industry, some
of the other stuff as well. But like when you have
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California businesses or any business that's being taxed
2535. You.
Know and they're not getting thetax write offs and benefits that
you usually would from all the like.
You're taxed first. You're not taxed after all of
your other stuff like oh, how much money do you have left
after you ran your business? Yeah, everything it took to
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produce like this product to getit to be in their stores that
you could request to buy from. As soon as you buy it, they lose
money. Yeah, versus.
Like instantly lose money. There's no, there's a lot of you
have to sell a mass quantity of it.
It's like. Your plug has no taxes, no
regulation. So you know when you think about
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it like there is benefits to like you know where Dragonfly
has a longer stint of strains that will stay in their stores,
they produce a lot of flour. I will say that they produce a
lot of flour. And so it could be difficult to
be able to keep up with that because they've also white label
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other people's as wells. And so it's it's all grown from
the same place, yet they roll itout a lot slower where Bijan's
people is rolling out quite a bit quicker.
And they're typically just listening to the consumer.
Not this would be awesome, but more of what are they saying?
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And that's where the bud tenders.
Hey, what are you? What are you feeling about that
one? Tell me about it.
And then they talk about it. Yeah, they just talk about, oh,
yeah, I heard from somebody else.
Now it's not a recommendation from them.
Oh, patient before you came up here and said this about that
one, if that's what you're looking for, that's what they
think. That was really great.
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So now you can, like, skirt around it.
Third person. So I'm going to get everyone's
thoughts at home and your thoughts on this.
When we look at like illicit market, black market, legacy
market versus industry, what do you think the largest hindrance
is for people getting into that market, switching from the black
market to the other because not every state's medical.
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So like here, do you think it's the medical card cost?
Do you think it's the the cost of the products that translates
that makes it the biggest hindrance and going to like even
California, they've have medicaland REC 2, but medical really in
most states where it's like thatis your edible dose is higher.
Aside from that, flour still flour concentrates are still
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concentrates. So you don't really get anything
different aside from dose, and that's really only in maybe a
tincture or an edible. I think it's going to be more of
the cost and and what I mean by that is that they're not
providing enough type of low barrier to entry products such
as your Ms. OS. Well, right.
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Your your carts are always goingto be your number one go to
people are like it's convenient it.
It doesn't. Great.
Yeah, it's doesn't smell. I live in an apartment complex I
I rent. I go, I'm at work.
I can't go smoke. Like one day I smoked flour out
outside, put some gum in my mouth after and I stood out
there for like 15 minutes and I came in.
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I'm like, I probably still smelllike it.
I'm just going to keep. Quiet, did you vaporize?
Yeah. You think that smells if you use
gum? Yeah, it still does.
I I tried it with Steph. She.
Gets melt in it. Yeah, OK.
And so I was like, but concentrates, no, I'm good to go
a vape cart, which is a lot moreconvenient than a dab rig.
But these dab rigs are small, soisn't that big of a deal.
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I mean, that one's like super. Small.
Honestly, though, I that's the smallest one.
Yeah, I. I think I would take.
This to work every day and just leave it in my car in a little
lock box. Yep, come out.
That's what I do. Dab because I like the
experience of concentrates from like a a solvent list thing way
more than a cart. 100%. Like every day.
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And so if I could choose to havethis in my car and do that.
Well, that's like the one I was telling about the Puff Co.
What's it called? Oh proxy.
Yeah, I don't like that thing. You were saying that?
Yeah, it kind of feels like a cheaper version of the PAX, and
that says a lot. Pax is a great entry.
My little vaporizer back in the day.
However, flavor. No, and I don't like the
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cleaning. Entry level because it's too.
Back in the day I was saying. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
Back in the day, was it not? Now there's too many, too many
different products that are way cheaper.
Like at Dragonfly when I went yesterday, the I don't know what
they call them. It's not a bud tender because
it's, or maybe it is, but he washelping me and I was asking him
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what he uses and he's like, oh, I'm mostly flour.
And I was like, OK, cool. So in Utah, what are you
vaporizing with then? Because obviously he works at
the pharmacy, so he's got to have a Utah product that he can
do that with. So he said he uses the Pax and
he's like, but I don't really like it.
It doesn't seem to do a lot of smoke.
It doesn't. And I was like, yeah, Pax is my
least favorite product. I'm like it.
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It was my very first one, but there wasn't tons on the
product. I like the size.
I like, you know, and the pricing range.
It was great. But like you said, and he was
like, well, what do you recommend?
I was like, well, it depends on your budget.
It's like X Vapes makes fantastic products and they're
80 to 120 that you can find amazing.
Products. Great products.
I was like Healthy Ribs has a fantastic one.
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They're around 100, a $150.00. They're not crazy expensive.
I was like, both of them have been fantastic and both have
attachments that you can put into your bong so you can
vaporize it directly through like your yeah, you.
Can thing triple filter? Yeah.
I said Air Vapes is good, they're about 250, but I had to
turn my temp up higher than I like to to get there.
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So then flavors change. I said stores and Pickles,
Amazing. But if that's not your price
range, then you know that. Yeah.
But I will say, I mean it's. Actually, let's do this because
I've been, I've been very curious because I've mentioned
it multiple times. Well, and and while you're
looking that up, I'll talk aboutthat Puffco one.
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It it's I didn't like it becauseit it gets waxy all over your
lips. Yes.
OK, I don't like that. I mean, I hit this.
I don't get waxy all over my lips and that thing.
So this is what I was looking upwas the new stores and Bickel
VZ. Oh, let me see that so it comes
in. We'll show an image on the
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screen. Yeah, we'll put it on there.
It's $250 for the smaller version of the Venti that.
But it's a step above the mighty.
Probably a step above the crafty.
I don't know if it's a step above the mighty because the
Mighty has a really good batterylife.
They have new colors that's. What I'm saying, it came in four
colors. I would get orange.
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Yeah, it looks so cool. All of you're gonna the founder
of stores and Pickle. He always has like the orange
one all the time and his stuff. Yeah, it looks so cool.
That is so cool. But that's just it is there's so
much range of quality and like variety now.
Wow that I just and PAX is the only one that produces that
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peanutty note. I have not had another one that
every single strain tastes like peanut.
No. And so.
The other ones I The only thing I don't like about the other
ones compared to Storis and Bickel is temperature control
and. Well, all of those.
The X vapes. Except the crafty Crafty and it
looks like the Venti you don't get to control.
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The healthy rips and the X vapesgives you full temp control.
Oh, I know. I just, I remember those and I
was like, yeah, they were OK. They just.
But I I've always gone back to the.
I've always gone back to the mighty.
I have two. I've always gone.
Just such a good product. Like such a good product?
I still have my Aria, the X vapes, but that's only because
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it fits into the bong and that'sthe one I have that I could, if
I want to vaporize it in a bong.Yeah, I could use that.
Yeah, I have. I've done it a couple times but
I have to turn it up to like 5 like way higher.
Yeah, it's not worth it. I'd rather torch it.
And it's like, it's fine. Yeah, me too.
If I'm going to do that, I'd rather.
Just use the clean. Torch and.
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Let's fucking do it. Yeah, yeah, that's I, I really,
you know, just thinking about like how how I can complain as a
consumer. Yeah, I can complain.
Do I always purchase, you know, products from a pharmacy?
No. No.
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And I mean. Our show was started on products
from out of state. Oh, 100% And it was, you know,
it was, it was mostly disties, which we used to shit all over.
Disties and flour. Yeah, disties and flour.
Occasional concentrate. Yeah.
Oh, very rare. Very rare at that time.
But they were not. There was such a wide range in
quality. Oh yeah.
But the if you now man, like it's great.
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Now we have so many varieties ofdifferent concentrates and
people are starting to get into that.
And, you know, it's it's be morecommonplace.
Like, you know, it was cool. We were outside of a restaurant.
He and Nearest and I, we'd met up and he's like, oh, meet me at
this place for a beer. And I'm like, I don't.
And then he's like, you don't want any beer?
(19:48):
I mean, you serious? I'm like, yeah, I don't, I just
don't drink. And he's like, oh, I thought you
did. And I'm like, no dude, no, not
at all. And the lady's like, well, we
have really good non alcoholic beers and I'm like really like
extra. She goes, yeah, their Heineken's
pretty good. I'm like, I'll do that.
Thoughts. Good.
Does it taste like a normal beer?
Yeah. Interesting.
(20:09):
Tasted great. I like I like that skunk.
It's skunkier than your coronas.No no, the corona skunkier than
that 1. So it's a lot milder than a
corona. Yeah, Heineken's usually a
pretty subtle it's. It's great ice.
Cold. Yes, has to be thirsty.
Quenching. It was good, dude, because I had
that one non alcoholic beer and I was like, man, I'm good.
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Like I just, it just tasted good.
Yeah, it's just flavorful because I like those flavors.
That's how I think. I really like cannabis flavors
too because I can pick up the notes.
Like like with beer, you could pick up if it's really hoppy,
you know, or you know if it's a pilsner or if it's.
I had an. Ale.
Gone Sweetwater Pizza place Sweetwater in the Riverwoods
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with Preston and Kaylee a while back and I ordered AIPA and they
brought it out and it looked like a stout.
It was dark and I. Was it more amber color?
No, it was dark. Like a stout that's a stout.
And I, and I look at it, I'm like, what the fuck?
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Can I pick it up? And I take a sip and I'm like,
this tastes like a stout. This is really dark.
This is, this is the weirdest looking IPA I've ever seen.
And the waiter comes back and I was like, is this the this one?
He's like, Oh no, we've got like4 different beers of that, four
different types of that name. And I'm like when I asked for
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it, like thinking why didn't youclarify or ask then if I asked
for this one, why didn't you go?Which one of those would you
like? Like 'cause I said the IPA and I
just was like all right. So he went and fixed the beer
and brought it back. But I usually I'll drink like.
Two, I like stouts like Guinness.
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I don't mind them, but I feel like it's more of a deserty
thing. It has to be.
I'm in the mood for it and I don't want to start with my
pizza. No, it would rob the pizza of
the flavor. Yeah, you want an IPA or a
pilsner. So I I just was like I no switch
this pack. I'm not crazy.
I mean, even I it doesn't, it can enhance flavors, yeah, but
(22:20):
it it can't be a Bud Light. No, it's like pairings of
things, wines, you know, you, you don't drink like a red wine
with fish and stuff. You you have certain things that
you just. Like, like a roast, Yeah, with
the gravy and. Stuff like that, particularly
because of the flavor pairings and that.
Yeah, this strain's pretty cool for that.
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It's just a weird flavor. Not.
Crazy cottonmouth. Like it's a little bit dry, but
it's not super bad. Dude, yeah.
It's been a solventless day I'vequite enjoyed.
This, it's quite a few. It's been.
You doing good? Yeah, I'm doing really good.
No, I'm just thinking about like, I don't know, man, this
one's hard to kind of point down.
(23:02):
Like the string gives me kind ofscatterbrain.
A little bit. Yeah, I'm like all weird and
foggy. Pretty much in my jaw.
Right here. Too.
Yeah, it's like. Right around this area.
It's interesting, really crazy, and my eyes keep going closed
'cause I'm like, you could just.Yeah, I feel it.
Heavy on the eyelids. Yeah, it's that.
(23:23):
Weird feeling. Yeah.
So weird. Yeah.
It's good, though. I mean, it's not bad.
I like it. What's this one?
Voodoo Burger. Yeah, Voodoo Burger by San Juan
Squishko. That's.
Pretty good. If you're in Utah, you gotta
check that out, yeah. Yeah, Burger might be around.
You could check it out and see. Oh man, I just well anyways,
(23:43):
like see, not a good strain to talk about a focused topic.
I I like what I learned in that video, but what it told me is
that, yeah, that sucks for cannabis companies.
That sounds like it's gearing upmore to be better for consumers.
And I have to say that the quality of products that have
been coming out from a lot of producers, a lot of different
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brands, you really can't be a subpar producer in cannabis
these days. You just can't, no, you got to
produce high quality, great products.
Like when we were talking bees on you're like, yeah, he, he
doesn't know anything but awesome.
And I'm like, yeah, truly, dude.Like I, I don't, I don't have
those stories of getting swag, swag weed and, you know, from
(24:29):
some fucker. And he's like, yeah, good luck
with the seeds and stems. Yeah, dude, I, I had one bag of
that and I got so excited because I think we got it for
like $75 and it was maybe. This is a shake.
Yeah, yeah. And it wasn't even shake.
It was like schwag is what it was called because it was a lot
of sticks. It was a lot of seeds.
It was just really shitty hermedflour, I guess you would
(24:52):
probably call it. But someone decided to sell it
because that was the market then.
And, you know, so it wasn't great.
The experience gives you headaches.
It wasn't like something you'd want to really use.
But at the time, it was like, Ohmy God, look how much I got for
that versus, hey, I paid $60.00 for an eighth and yeah, it was
granddaddy perp and it was a nice experience.
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But like, and that was expensiveand that went really fast.
You know, when you hang out witha few buddies and you can smoke
that in a couple times and you're like, oh shit, that went
real fast. And that's before I had a
tolerance. Like now, I could smoke an
eighth in a sitting. Easy.
(25:34):
So I don't know like my 2 jointsyesterday probably had probably
like 2G total, a little over 2, but.
Still a lot for many people. That's what I like about that.
I've kept my my tolerance metal,but now I'm just like, you know,
with with the blessings that we've had with so many
different, you know, products that we've been able to go
(25:56):
through and so many more to still go through.
I've just love the the stepping up of every bit of the quality
as I do not want our state to bea a rec state at all.
Now I just want more. Qualifying conditions.
I want better qualifying conditions.
(26:17):
Easier access. And more and and more places to
buy I. Would love home grown.
I just, I don't see Utah ever getting on.
Eventually, I think it will. On medicine.
They'll they'll have to be more people here for it to happen
because then eventually, but that's the thing like where we
have so many people buying product out of state or, you
(26:41):
know, black market. Yeah, but I'm thinking about
that. So when I used to drive to
Denver, I would go all the way out there because I could go get
concentrates for anywhere from 12 to $18.00 a gram.
Yeah. And that was not, not like top
shelf, but like you could get them and that would come out
(27:01):
here and translate to $6575 a gram.
And if I'm a patient and I'm going well, I can drive out
there on a tank of gas and buy well, 7-8 grams at one
dispensary. Well, that might cost me $100
(27:22):
and concentrates. That's almost one time at the
pharmacy buying 1g here when I'm$7585 and they're looking at it
going well, I just bought because you go to a dispensary
in, in Denver. Well, sometimes you find a deal
and it's you buy 7G, you get them for 10 bucks, you're $70.
(27:44):
And that happens in those reallylike competitive markets like
like Colorado and California andthat's why they're black market
is extremely high still. But you think of that and how
they compete with that and, and going, OK, well, we've got a Med
card that you have to purchase 1st and then that Med card might
be $75. Well, you could have just driven
(28:06):
to Colorado and bought a handfulof concentrates.
That legit, that's a, that's a that's filling up and then
topping off and get back. And you're like, so I, I
understand that struggle for a lot of patients because that was
my struggle for so many years. And it was, I mean, we also
didn't have medical program. There was no legal cannabis
here. And I found it was much better
(28:28):
quality if I was getting it froma pharmacy like or a dispensary
than if I found it from a plug, except for the plug I had was
getting it from a dispensary andtransporting it here.
And so it was like, oh, when I learned that.
And he told me, well, I just go to Colorado and get it here.
You can do the same. And it cost me half cost.
I was like, that makes sense forme.
But it was time, it was investment.
(28:50):
It was a lot of hours driving. It was, you know, and, and you
that's a risk. It's a risk of going, oh shit.
Well, now I, I crossed the stateline not to sell it, but to use
medicine like it makes you feel criminal.
Just to like for me to have chronic pain, to not be taking
pills every day. Oh yeah, well, now I feel like a
criminal. And then my ex-wife lives in
(29:12):
Texas, always going, oh, you canmove down here.
No, I can't. I live in a legal state.
Finally, I'm not going to move to a place that it's not legal.
Where people get. Crude all the time for using
cannabis and I'm like that's, that's not right.
No, and that's the thing, this. Interesting strain.
It takes the conversation in. So many different ways, yeah.
(29:34):
And I feel like really floaty. I'm very curious and hopeful for
the small scale craft growers and businesses who are small
like like Beehive. Focusing on good grow.
And just art there for the patients or for the people or
for the love of cannabis, not these large Ms. OS who are like,
(29:56):
hey, we're just holding out and.When I get the you have to have
those. You know, funded, you know, and
it's, it's a whole different experience for those types of
companies. But you get what you paid for.
And and when you go, when you buy stuff from, like if you buy
the great value product, you know, you're just getting a
subpar product being thrown on the shelf may or may not have
(30:17):
nutritional value. That's your MSO, right?
Yeah. Your craft grows or that burger
joint that's been around for like 15 years still pop one.
Yes, small scale it's not. Got the best flavors?
You're going to pay a little bitmore.
Everything's made to order. But you're also supporting that
business and you got to think about that They're creating that
for you at a loss, not because they're good people, but because
(30:41):
they see that they're going to play the long game, and that
long game will. It could eventually happen in
many different ways, and who knows?
Though I was thinking about it 'cause that video, and we'll
have the link below, it talks about the experience.
Yeah, and I thought about that alot in the pharmacies here and
each one that I walked into interactions, the feel of it,
(31:05):
the look of it, you know, and it's been from Walgreens type of
feel to even more clean and prescribed like doctor's office
kind of feel to almost like California vibes feel.
And there's a whole variation ofthat.
And and I feel like that also brings people back is that
experience. Cause a lot of the times we have
(31:26):
same products across the board from one to the next to the
next, unless companies are running heads, they're like,
well, you're not getting my shitand I'm, you're not getting my
shit. And like, you know, it's, or if
they undercut them, you know, like where we hear that another
one's offering their products onsale and so well, then all of a
sudden they're selling at a lower price.
(31:48):
But yeah. They're doing it at a loss
because they can, because they can take.
Those or the funded companies who are like, oh hey, we'll
offer this and. That's why you see the deals
there all the time and all they're doing is just going
through soon to be expired product.
They're just dropping the price.When I went to key relief and
other ones and tried a lot of those lower grade products, the
(32:08):
feels were the same. Like select the.
Flavors were the same, like there was almost a terping
flavor across one of the brands that it didn't matter what
strain you used, it had the samebuttery type of terping flavor.
And I was like, this is weird. I don't, I don't like it.
I've never had this from any brand any strain ever and find
(32:30):
it consistently across this brand.
Just feels weird and gross and. The one I did like that I had,
you just brought that up, the flavor and all that, and I was
like, yeah, I remember that one.He shared that with me.
I was like, that's weird. But Select had this one.
It was a Pineapple Express and it tasted like roasted
pineapple. Oh, that would be tasty.
(32:51):
Right. I was like, I loved it.
It's a shitty experience. Every select pen I've ever
bought, it always gives me headaches.
Every single time I get headaches from that.
So I'm just like, that's what you get.
I as I was sitting there yesterday at the dispensary and
I was like, oh man, if, if it's not over a certain dollar
amount, they won't use my full stipend.
(33:13):
So do I actually like buy something extra?
And so while they were over at the little window, I was looking
through their tablet and stuff and there was this select pen
that popped up. And for a second I was like, do
I do? I do, I get that.
I'm like, now why the fuck wouldyou spend your money on that?
That's a disti like don't ever spend your money doing that.
(33:36):
So I just, I didn't, I left it and just got the two strains of
flour and called it good. So.
Yeah. But I don't know, it's, it's
interesting to see. Do you guys have like a
particular pharmacy dispensary that you prefer?
Is it because of pricing? Is it how close it is to you?
(33:58):
Is it just there's not a lot of pharmacies or dispensaries in
your area? Is it pricing on product like or
the experience? What is it that you guys go for
that keeps you going back? Yeah, this has got me really.
High. Hell yeah, go try some Voodoo
Burger. Voodoo Burger will kind of kick
your ass. I don't know.
And you know, check down below we've got all our codes for all
(34:22):
of our favorite products. You know how to dab with.
I mean, I so I was thinking about it.
I love this one, but I also lovemy doctor dabber.
I used that one yesterday. No, that's awesome.
This is my. This is the only rig that I use.
If you've been struggling with passing tests, need a little
help. Yep, we've got some.
(34:43):
Tests help below. Yeah, check the notes.
It's very strange. Apparently it's synthetic P, but
it helps you pass tests. I know.
All right, so if you got a big test coming up, want to get an
A? Yep, synthetics fine.
Catch you next week.
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