November 4, 2025 • 37 mins
This week, Brandon and Jesse go full Dab Science Mode, testing Utah-made concentrates against legacy market products to see why some turn dark after one session while others stay golden like fresh honey. The lab coats may be imaginary, but the smoke is very real.
They crack open Hash Burger and Burger Poppy, talk shop about extraction methods, oxidation, and why your banger sometimes looks like it’s been filled with used motor oil. Along the way, the conversation drifts into how quality, curing, and even local water systems might affect your dabs, plus why concentrates can be one of the cleanest, most efficient ways to enjoy cannabis when done right.
In this episode:
The real difference between solvent and solventless extractions
Why some concentrates turn dark fast and what that might mean
How temperature and technique change your experience
Why concentrates are like seven-course meals for your endocannabinoid system
A wild thought experiment on using cannabis for world peace
By the end, they land on a simple truth, the best concentrate isn’t just about color or THC percentage, it’s about care, craftsmanship, and connection to the plant.
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(00:00):
Welcome to Cannabis School. I'm your host, Jesse Angeles.
And I'm Brandon Elder. And we're here to talk to you
about everything pertaining to cannabis from.
Vape flour. Edibles, strains, and everything
in between. Talking about quality or
something, man down, something that I guess we've kind of
noticed over the last little while as we've gotten a little
(00:24):
more into Utah concentrates. Which we are super grateful for.
Moxie big shout out. Beehive huge shout out.
Yeah, create amazing products. Moxie does.
I'd say probably 90% of the concentrates across Utah that
they're the ones who actually press create, but the products
are grown and that from the actual producers.
Yeah. And it's, you know, you really
(00:46):
can tell from a producer who is a little bit more confident in
certain areas. And I will say that Moxie
extremely, they're they're very confident in their production of
concentrates. They create a wide variety of of
and you don't. BHO normal extractions to like
the ice water hash rosins, you know, and so they have quite a
(01:10):
different selection of quality that we have across Utah.
There's one thing that I guess we've kind of noticed and it's
been on my mind quite a bit lately as I've been dabbing is
the difference in coloration of the concentrate, not necessarily
at the start, but after a session or two.
(01:32):
Now when I mean a session or two, I mean like you turn on the
dab rig, you get it up to temp, you take a hit, it's done
cooling. That's one session.
So after like one session, maybe2 with Utah products, it's kind
of had this look to it like. Like you used motor oil?
Yeah. And then any of our legacy
(01:55):
products that we have got that we've noticed they actually
after 2345 sessions still come out like this golden Y ambery
honey color. Yeah, or E at all like it.
It goes in the same way like today I'm using hash.
Was it the hash? Burger.
Hash burger from a legacy product and we're comparing it
(02:19):
with out of state is the brand, but it's a Utah brand, but it is
Burger Poppy now this. Is it's a great one too.
It's a fantastic, a really chillindica strain.
But just to kind of compare branded and looking at it and
I'm not going to heat it up justfor that simple comparison.
Hash burger When I go into hash burger, super soft, almost like
(02:44):
it's soft warm room temperature butter.
Yeah, 100%. What's that one going to feel
like? This isn't heated yet.
So I mean this one is. Pretty close.
It's still a little bit tougher A.
Little tougher. There's a little bit more of
like a not quite room temp butter, but not quite like
(03:04):
fridge butter. It's kind of in between there,
but it's, I don't know, it's notbad.
I've just. No, it's a really good
consistency. So that's where we're like, you
know, what's causing this discoloration.
So to talk more about it, like we're going to talk about kind
of some of the the different processes.
(03:26):
So the one that's usually toutedis the ice water hash.
So tell us a little bit about that, Brandon, like educate us,
like what you know from a layman's perspective to advanced
perspective, why is that a sought after method for many
people? Oh, well, 'cause it doesn't have
(03:46):
any solvents, so it's called a solventless extract basically.
And so when you use the ice water and well ice water, it's
just ice and water. So that just removes the
trichome. So you're getting like the
cleanest process of actually extracting that.
You're not using heat, so you'renot degrading your trichomes or
(04:08):
your THC or cannabinoids at all.You're not using butane where
you're trying to utilize the pressure of the gas to press out
every bit of oil and you know, that's going to get, I mean.
You and then you're left with residual like tiny traces within
there and yeah, obviously they're going to go Oh well it's
burnt off or it's off because wedegassed it or did this, but
(04:29):
you're still using that initial extraction method.
It's not it's interesting. It's not Oh yeah.
When that one's like right on it, it does it.
So yeah, I've been the thing I noticed in as well as I dab at
425°F that's probably lower thanmost people if you guys dab.
(04:51):
What is your temperature? Do you know?
I know OK, I know Abe he does the torch in E rig and he says
this got him real good. His is around like 895 just
because of the temp that it's like cooling down or getting too
and that's super hot. But I'm surprised that this
(05:13):
leaves any sort of residue at all.
But that's what I noticed is theonly ones that left residue on
my banger were Utah products. I was just like, that's why I
was looking up real quick. I'm like, man, what are the
terps in this thing? Because it's making me, yeah,
(05:36):
miracing often high and then lemoning and then karyophylline.
So the lemoning is nice because it's going to keep me chill.
It's got pining humanly. Oh man, this is a great hybrid
strain hash burger, right, For that reason alone.
But one of the great things about concentrates guys is that
(05:57):
a little goes a long way. And so we talked about that with
Brandon. Brandon was just like, you know,
he he goes through about the water hash and why that's
important. We could go through every other
one, but pretty much it, it's just the process.
It gets less and less clean. You start there.
I'm sure there's other extraction methods that maybe we
(06:18):
don't know about on that side, maybe even cooler new ones all.
Right, so I've done one session with this and one session on
yours. We've got now if I look around
yours, you've got this really light, light honey color.
Do you barely think anything is in there and if?
You look around mine. It's got.
(06:39):
Brown soup in the bottom already, not quite black.
So you get 2 sessions? Yeah.
By this time you do 2 sessions. It's used motor oil.
It's a. Used walnut brown like a, it's
like a walnut brown, a dark walnut brown, yeah.
And that is after one session. How many hits 5?
Six. No, just because I I only count
(06:59):
that as one because it was the one session.
I I never count how many times Ipull on it.
Well, I I mean, I would because each one is it's it's also.
A different size hit for each one.
So unless I'm timing it and making sure I'm drawing it the
exact same inhaled right? Fair enough then it's.
Really hard to gauge. I typically won't let the whole
(07:19):
thing run unless it's like Awakeand Bake 'cause I'm outside and
I'm just kind of like listening to music or I'm just cruising
the Internet and I'll keep goingwhere I'm hitting right?
But you're exactly right with like with one session that going
to that walnut brown from this one barely coating it.
(07:41):
Well, that still looks like a light, really light, almost
whitish honey, so. Why is it important that we're
talking about the the color of that one?
I mean, is the color just kind of like a maybe that's just the
color of it? Well.
And that's what we've been curious on, and hopefully
someone at home has a little more insight into it.
Because when we talked before wegot on the show and as you were
(08:03):
cruising down, we're kind of talking about like, does that
matter? Is there something that causes
that? Because the thing I noticed is
it doesn't matter if it's a UtahBHO or which one it is.
Whether it's Dragonfly, Moxie out of state, any label I've
found in Utah gets this darkish brownish.
(08:25):
Now I could go one more, I couldgo one more with this and be
just fine. But what I want to do is I'm
actually going to wipe this out just a little bit because you
can see it's actually a pretty darkish brownish color already
on that. Now it wiped out nice and clean.
Obviously there's some residue, but I don't have ISO right here,
(08:46):
so I'm not going to clean that out.
But that's 22 sessions of that running and that's it.
And it's already that dark of a color.
This is crazy dark for just 2 little sessions when I feel I
can use probably 6 or 7 sessionswith any legacy product I've had
(09:07):
and it still is not even the same color that it was after the
first session so. Doing just real quick top of the
level of research, right. So some of the things is just a
possibility. The out of state extraction
method and purge quality. It could be using that they use
a closed loop hydrocarbon system.
So butane, propane or a blend fully purged under control.
(09:32):
Vacuum and low heat removing residual solvents and moisture.
Often labeled as live resin, diamonds and sauce, which tends
to stay golden clear when heatedso Utah concentrates turns dark
brown, but that. Depends on it.
It like it does that with every extraction method, whether it's
(09:52):
BHO, whether it's live rosin. But it it's also like the
concentrates that maybe you're getting out of there are not
just maybe it's a live resin, maybe it's a, it's almost like,
no, it's not a sauce. No.
And that's The thing is I know that that extraction method that
comes from the Legacy 1 is not going to be a ice water hash.
(10:17):
It is always a BHO or it's always a solvent that is used to
do that extraction method. So when I see a solvent method
that surpasses in my mind feels like surpasses the quality of
any product that comes from Utah's, whether it's solvent or
solventless, both of them are really just not not giving that
(10:42):
same quality, it seems like. And maybe there's maybe there's
a disconnect. Maybe I'm way off and that
doesn't actually matter. Maybe the discoloration of the
concentrate or the coloration ofit over like a couple rounds,
even at a super low temp doesn'tactually matter.
Maybe it's only aesthetics and in my mind that that matters.
(11:02):
So again, doing some more because I'm, I'm, we're having
this conversation and it's making me think about it like,
because first of all, like when we started seeing this, it
wasn't that we were going immediately to it's nefarious,
but it's also like, well, what'sthe process?
And and this is kind of interesting here because when
(11:25):
you have a fresh frozen high terp flower like golden or clear
SAP like the aged and oxidation in the dry trim, darker rosin
with brown that Browns fast whenheated.
So if it's aged, oxidized and dry trimmed.
Press that also talked about a live 1 because it talked about
(11:47):
freshly frozen. So I The thing is some of the
Utah products are fresh frozen and then some of the like the
legacy market, I don't honestly know if it's fresh frozen.
I would be surprised. If it was, if it.
Was so well, that's why I expecta lower grade quality from the
legacy product and. They all impress.
Temperature, like temperature, has a lot to do that.
(12:10):
But here's one cure and storage conditions.
So again. Do me a quick favor.
We plug in that I don't know. We're good.
We're good is. It just making noise.
No, I hearing a noise and I wasn't sure what it was so I was
just curious. You're good.
So the curing is storage, right?If out of state.
(12:32):
Batch was cold cured, kept refrigerated, slow whipped.
It preserves terps and clarity. Utah batch may be warm cured or
jar cured in ambient room temperatures.
Oxidation starts before you evendab it.
When you heat it up that. Depends on the product, yeah.
Right. And so it's like, and it's just
(12:53):
saying like the oxidized lipids of caramelize, they they
caramelize and turning dark brown.
Yeah. But see that's that's assuming
that the legacy product has way better care than the Utah
product from what it sounds like.
And and I know for a fact it's actually not well.
Then that's where I would put on, which is the experience of
(13:15):
the extractor, how much time they put into it because you can
tell it's like a grower, like let's take Utah market in
general. When their products started
coming out they were trash. 100%, yeah, we didn't have great
products at all and. What happens over time is they
get better at their process. Like, you can get a legacy
grower and bring them to Utah, but now they're starting in a
(13:38):
different climate, different access to products.
Yeah. Different seeds, different
clones, different accessibility,like you said to those.
And even like you said, our, ourAG department has specific
control over certain aspects within cultivation not to.
And, and the curiosity, like on our phone call before in my
(13:58):
mind, and maybe someone at home can answer this was, is it
potentially A nutrient or a something that's used in the
water? Or like our water system, like
many areas, probably doesn't have all the best chemicals and
stuff found in the water. And is there any sort of
filtration system prior getting into the entire grow before
(14:24):
that? Or is it truly just dumping in
like tap water kind of stuff without a filter into all of
that? Like 'cause when I checked the
water system here, even where I live, it was a realization of
holy cow, there's so much garbage just in the normal tap
water, like the normal water that's found within the city.
So is that the same stuff that is getting fed to all of these
(14:48):
plants without filtering at all?So does that translate down to
these really dark colors within 2/3 sessions?
And that's where you're talking about cost, right, 'cause now
we're going into cost 'cause if you're talking about that, we're
talking about production cost where a legacy market can cut
corners, but they have more time.
(15:10):
Like for instance, that Shea butter you made, the stuff is
amazing for pain and I love it. But you know, you've made other
ones in the past that look really weedy, but this one was
clear. And so it's over time your
teachers got more exact, more clear.
And so that's why I'm thinking when you get these newer
(15:32):
markets, which Oklahoma is stillconsidered ish a newer market,
right? But they're still probably going
to the same things, probably worse because they're a rec
state. The more products that are
available, the harder it is for you to find out which ones are
going to be the top quality because you typically go towards
the lower one or whatever the bud tender's trying to push.
(15:53):
Yeah. Well, I think a lot of people go
to that, hey, what's the highestTHC?
What's the lowest dollar? What's your cheapest product
with your highest THC? What's thinking what's my
biggest bang for my buck? But really that's not
necessarily your biggest bang for your buck.
And that's been the struggle is finding what is truly that most
effective product for you. Exactly, and and speaking to
(16:16):
that, you know, and, and this is, I think it would be a great
turning point for this, for thisdiscussion is to talk about like
what are the positives of getting into using concentrates
and not concentrates in the way of saying, oh, I got a vape pen.
Yes, that's a concentrate technically.
I feel like they're never the same quality as you get in a
(16:40):
little puck. Well, and, and you know, I mean,
you know, it's like what to be John said, like you're free
basing, you know, butane or whatever else or BHO, right,
whatever. I mean, you're, you're free
basing that too. And you know, there are the
drawbacks of pens. Pens are convenient.
They're easy. But when you look at
(17:02):
concentrates, what I see like somebody will see it like a gram
in Utah goes for around 70 bucks.
You can see that 60 to 60 to 85 probably, yeah.
So your average cost is gonna bearound that.
So you get a gram and when you open that thing up you'll be
like fuck you. Seriously.
(17:24):
That's 'cause it looks so. Small.
But you have to look at it wherethe impact is more of like A7
course meal, 7 course meal. You're not gonna leave stuffed.
You're gonna leave like in an experience and this exact same
way to look at concentrates is in it is a more of a concierge
(17:44):
high. That's I know my flowery
language right there. But to be honest, because you're
using quite a bit less, you would think you need to use a
lot now depending on your level of tolerance.
But for new users you have products like the honey honey
honey stick, honey stick where they have the phantom which I
(18:08):
used or. Even this.
Honestly, this one. 100% E rigs.Like this one I think is $170
without our code and. I love that little one on top.
Do you don't need all of this, but I do love that they have an
assortment of different cool looking theme stuff because
like, hey, you know, some peoplewanna accessorize their high
(18:29):
when. You if you guys are using
concentrates, do you use an E rig?
What's your temperature and whatare you dabbing at?
Yeah, Do you like glass and why?You know, do you feel like it
gives you better control or are you one of those sick bastards
Using what, like 2? 2 hot knives 2 hot.
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Yeah. Sports show, go help yourself
out, get some money back. Yeah, I I think that these I
mean, and that's why I talked about like the honey stick too,
because the honey stick is is awesome in a way where it's more
convenient to go on the go. And it's a nice one, like going
up to an E rig. Most people at first are a
(19:15):
little intimidated, but then after the first session and you
feel it and how little you used and the smell factor, like if
you're trying to be, you know, alittle bit more discreet.
There were times where I would be at work and I would go out
and I would take a couple hits off my dab rig and go back to
work. I can't smoke flour in an
office. No.
(19:36):
And concentrates are great. And people go, well, I've got,
I've got a, I've got my pen. This is like a widish clear
after the first one which. One is that one I just.
Switched to burger hash burger and the legacy one.
I'm looking at it in comparison like this is nuts to see the
coloration difference just on one session.
(19:56):
And I don't know, have you guys noticed that in your state
products, are there a big difference in coloration and
quality on your concentrates that you're going?
Obviously you often find a huge difference in like.
Your shatter and stuff all the way up to your diamonds and
sauce or or your hash rosins. Those usually you'll find a
(20:19):
difference in in quality. But if you are ever using in
state versus out of state or legacy products, do you notice a
comparable difference in qualitythat maybe 1 is better than the
other? If so, do you find it's leaning
more towards your regulated products that are better quality
or are you finding that it's your legacy products that are
(20:41):
getting better quality? I know, right?
You hear the coughing and you'relike, oh, maybe I shouldn't do
this. But then, you know, after you're
like, Oh yeah, that's why I do it.
It is it, it really is. You're you got it.
There's so many options, dude. And, and for those I mean in
Utah, 60 to $80.00 for a gram it's.
(21:03):
Quite a bit. It's quite.
A bit other states, you would besurprised.
They're probably on par with that, maybe a little less it.
Depends on the state and some are, well, it really depends too
because even in Colorado I can go to certain places and find
comparable pen prices. I can find comparable the
concentrator flower prices. Or you could, it just depends on
(21:25):
the city. I don't.
Know if they still have them, but you know, disposable sauce
pens like I've seen those. I've seen what?
What is that like? Because sauce is usually just
overly turpy stuff. Not yeah.
It was super turpy. So is it like a sauce with like
it? Probably was like a sauce then,
but even then though they have to.
(21:46):
Like it would be so fine 'cause the diamonds I feel like would
clog the hardware to. Be honest, I might have been had
on that one, but. They were putting so much on
different pens and stuff. Well.
Pens were what like this got this show off the ground like
and, and flour. But you know, we, we had such a
different way of going about it.We'd smoke it and then we'd talk
(22:06):
about it afterwards, which, you know, that's why I was only 15
minutes long, 'cause they're just like, fuck, I ran out of
things. But now, Now.
That we're smoking on the show using.
And you get to experience what we're talking about.
And then you know, when you're like, you know, I'm going to
find something like that. You know what I was thinking, we
should be putting in the show notes just randomly the terps
for that episode. Usually there are if the yeah,
(22:30):
if there's a strain, it has the terpenes that cannabinoids this
guy. That's what I do.
This guy, this guy, so, you know, I mean, honestly, it's,
it's those things where, you know, you really need to be
looking at like what's the experience you're going for?
You know, even talking to Bijan,which was really awesome too,
because it it was more on the product consumer side.
(22:50):
And you know, it's really difficult for a, a legit
cannabis. I mean, and I say legit, let's
say being taxed to shit cannabiscompany to one that actually
makes their money and reinvest it into something that's
profitable, but they have to design it something else.
There's something to be said with that, man.
I mean, it almost seems like producers now have to be forced
(23:13):
into something that won't produce the best product.
Yeah, I can see that. Because they just don't have
people inside going, yeah, that'd be good for cannabis
plants. So it's even crazier that burger
Poppy is a live rosin concentrate.
So that's one of the best ones you can get without going into
like a hash. That's really surprising that
(23:36):
like it's also supposed to be pain relieving, happy, relaxed,
creative, calming, balanced for the burger Poppy from out of
state. But yeah, that first dab off of
the Legacy Hashburger did way better than the two sessions off
of the other one. Yep, and.
That's only been one so far, andthat's so.
(23:57):
I've run 2. Really surprising check.
That out it starts out looking like the other one would when
it's barely put in and it was a warm bowl.
It's not even close to the firstsession of the 1st.
No, I'm. I'm very elevated at the moment,
you know, I mean, not super high.
I really like this one. We need to review this next
(24:18):
episode. Oh. 100% we'll.
Just go right into that, but youknow, it's I don't know.
I I'm before you know, and we'llpush.
We always say flower first, but in and flower should be first on
many aspects. Whether you're developing
edibles or tinctures or you're smoking it or you're vaporizing
it, whatever it is, flowers a great way to experience this
(24:39):
plant at its purest and, and typically I feel at its best.
And I'm not trying to get inebriated, I'm trying to get an
experience. But I would say that
concentrates are the greatest next step when you are in your
cannabis journey. For me personally, edibles are
fine. Carts should be treated like
(25:00):
microwavable dinners. It's not something you want to
live off of. You really don't.
It's not healthy. It's not good for you long term.
It doesn't. Taste great, but it's and you.
Don't get the the exact same experience.
The only thing I get from pens now is high.
I get a high feeling because it's mostly THC.
Alright, so we're gonna we're gonna show this because it see
(25:22):
maybe, maybe you can see this bottom.
This is the top part. That's two sessions on
Hashburger from a legacy product.
It is slightly colored, slightly, slightly and.
Barely is. Burger Poppy 2 sessions, way
darker coloration. And it could be just like what
(25:42):
it was saying. It's it's part of the oxidation
process, which was making me think like, maybe it's the
elevation that could be causing that to turn that way, almost
like fruit. Like you remember when we only
had apples, which was red, greenand yellow.
Yeah. We didn't have all of these
crazy variants of crossbred or you.
(26:05):
Get the crazy ones going. Hey, do you like grapes?
Well, grapes that taste like cotton candy or strawberries and
you're like, this is fucking weird it.
Is super weird, but I mean that's what they're doing with
cannabis is just hybridization of it's every strain you.
Know it's kind of like, you know, we talked about like they
had this like test that could beable to line your
(26:26):
endocannabinoid system with that.
But but but but now. It's almost in a way where
they're trying to design the plant specifically for that
issue. Like I I could see in the
future, because it, we're going to hybridize the shit out of
this thing until it just stops. But the cool thing is, is what's
going to come out of that? Because I think that we're going
(26:47):
to be able to see more, more finite cannabis products that
are developed, not just the plants, but everything else from
there where it's gonna fit that certain thing.
Like you're like, I wanna feel this.
Like when you take Tylenol, typically you're gonna you're.
Gonna have autism? Yeah, let.
Me tell you a little awesome andI'm like, dude, I mean, some of
(27:11):
his ideas are awesome. You're like you dude.
I'll get behind. That, yeah, you know, yeah,
totally dying early. I don't know any of those cool
ideas ladies come up but. No, those ones are fine because
I mean there's the theories. The Tylenol one was I.
Just really want to find out whotheir dealer is and get access
to whatever the fuck they're taking.
(27:32):
It's the. Methylene blue I'm taking,
right? I mean, it's not much shitting
on him. I mean, I, I, I would, it would
be so hard to beat him. Every time you speak, it would
feel strained. Oh yeah.
I can't even imagine your. Throat would hurt sounds.
Like his throat has Parkinson's.Well, he just, he went through
some really bad illness and that's what happened to him
after. But you know, it, it's, it's
(27:55):
even that like you're like, whatever, but it, you know, in
this world, I, I just, I was even like that.
I was super skeptical. I was very apprehensive about
even trying it. Like afraid that all the sudden
my addiction to cannabis is justgoing to be tenfold.
There's a time and a place for it.
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It's a tool, right? It's a tool 100%.
It's going to help you. It won't be the answer.
It's just a tool to get you to where you need to go.
Whether it's chill the fuck out,whether it's go to sleep,
whether it's to work, whether it's to enjoy life around you
and stop being such a grumpy fuck.
Yeah, 'cause sometimes that's all you need.
I thought it was quite funny. I on my dad's side, very
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religious on both sides of the, you know, family line.
And I have a cousin they, their dad's very religious, that whole
side and everything. They moved out of state and they
realized moving out of state that the culture is so different
outside than it is inside. And so many of their friends had
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realized that they didn't need to be on like anxiety meds or
depression meds or all these other things.
They just needed a gummy at the end of the day or a glass of
wine to take the edge off. And that was really all it was.
And once they introduced like small doses of cannabis or
something, it was just that simple.
It was, hey, maybe life just isn't so shitty sometimes
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because you take that edge off and it isn't getting crazy high
or that that they were hunting for.
It was just I just need life to not be so intense right now and
that's it. And you know, ancestors for we
don't even know how far back have been using plants like this
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to be able to not disassociate, but being able to reflect.
And they did it often and they didn't have the distractions
they have today. They had different types of
distractions, like survival and learning how to live
comfortably. Yeah.
Yeah. They wanted to live comfortably,
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like childbirth. You know, that's taken pretty.
Oh God, pretty lackadaisical. Now it's like, oh, well, let's
just take Sandy to the to the hospital.
But back then, they're like, you're having a baby.
Where now where, Nahir? And how well and I think about
that too there's. Dirt, even the.
Like, Oh, well, the baby's upside down and the cords
wrapped around and this and OK, well, they don't have all that.
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No, and that's why keep. That Wow.
OK, Yeah. Yeah, they didn't have all that.
And it's the it's to think aboutlike they use that to be able to
connect with themselves. They use that to be able to
connect maybe with a higher power.
They use that to be able to reflect and almost look at their
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day, their life, their choices in a third party's in, in a
third person's perspective. Where you, that's where
honestly, like, you know, I, I always think about that like any
protest going on. I wish I could make like these
gas grenades. But what it is is underneath
here, there's a plate and this plate heats up to a certain
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degree. And on top of that is a bunch of
fucking concentrate. And then what it does is it
hyper pressurizes it. And when you pull that pen, it
lights the plate. It's.
Like a gas grenade and it just shoots out.
Yeah, smoke can, but. Instead of like people like
throwing it back at the cops, they're like, and everybody.
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And what would that do, man? What would that do?
Right. Dude, the cops would put away
their batons and their Shields. We would start talking shit out.
Like I know that sounds so hippie, but truly?
I saw a video of these people ina room probably like 1020 people
and in the middle of the room isthis giant hot plate and the guy
puts a a pound of concentrate onthis hot plate and it just
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starts like smoking and. Filling the room and.
Everyone's just like putting their head over it going like,
holy shit, could you? Even put that in a room slightly
burning and put a bunch of people in there who disagree
with each other. And I'm gonna, I'm gonna tell
you right now, like when you slow down to that third person's
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perspective, you start to realize that the things you were
mad about don't really affect you.
They don't. They're not really about you.
And then when you start looking at other people, not necessarily
as an enemy or as a as a a stranger, you start seeing them
as a potential friend because you know, it it cannabis kind of
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gives us this childlike quality and children are the best at
that where they just like, oh, who are you?
Oh, I can't talk to you because you're of XYZ religion and I
don't believe in that or you're not a part of my XY release.
Oh. Hey, you're here, I'm here,
you're a kid, you're my friend. There's.
Sand. Yep, there's a playground and
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they do you. Remember that?
Hey look at my new friend. Make your kids coming up.
Oh, you literally just met that person like half a second ago
and then 20 seconds later look at my new friend and there's
like another new kid and it's just, they're just friends
'cause they exist and they're there and.
That's why What more? Did you need a?
Bunch of people love the 90s man.
The 90s were probably one of themost colorblind eras.
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Like you think about it like when kids were growing up during
that time, they look up to Michael Jordan.
They didn't care if you were. Michael Jordan do black.
White, Asian, brown, purple, youknow.
He was just Aqua. Color.
Whole nother level of superstar,but all of them.
Were Scottie Pippen, David Robson like?
Watching all of those. People.
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They're amazing. They were large Rodman with his
crazy ass hair and getting married to himself.
Now what do we have? If you're a basketball player,
immediately it's had to erase and they're just like, Yep, cuz
you know you're trying to keep me down.
What I don't remember this time and I'm I'm so glad that I grew
up during a time where I truly. Felt.
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Color blind, you know, towards the end of my adolescence, half
of my. Friends growing up were
Hispanic, Native American like they were.
They were your friends. They were just.
Kids. They were your friends, Yeah.
You didn't go. Oh, you can't do that because
you're no. None of that shit now.
I, I experienced racism throughout the 80s.
I did a lot and I'm, I look white as can be, but I, I was, I
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experienced it during that time.I remember being called spic and
wet back. That was the first thing to go
after me. Like if some kid for randomly
would call me that like you stupid spic.
And I'm like, whoa, well, I don't even know what that means.
What is that? And then when I was told I got
angry about at the time, and nowI think about it like as an
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older person would, yeah, using cannabis in that way.
Dude, I I wouldn't look for those things.
I would be like, dude, go put a Jenga thing in the middle of a
room. Everybody has to smoke before
you go in there. Nobody knows each other.
Sit down and nobody can talk until the buzzer goes off.
And when it gets to 10 minutes, everybody's going to go play
Jenga and they're going to startsharing stories and they're not
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going to give a fuck about what their beliefs are or what they
like to do in the bedroom or, orif they.
Do it's just all joking and happy and not not like
judgmental and yeah. Like, you know, I mean, there
could be a gay guy go over theregoing this cock sucker saying,
oh, it's always my fault. And then everybody starts
laughing and just like, you know, that would be a fun and
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nobody would care about that. So yeah, moral of the stories,
kids, look into your concentrates.
What are you smoking? It's.
Been an interesting test today of these quality of
concentrates. If you guys are looking to see
if your concentrates pass a testor if you're just struggling to
pass a test. Synthetics 5 is perfect for
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passing tests, so we got Check the show notes below.
They'll help you pass your test.Oddly enough, they also have
fake P that helps you pass tests.
Yeah. This fake P helps you pass
tests. This one the S5 belt kit.
This one's pretty cool for passing tests for the more
clandestine taker I. Bet it's probably like the Holy
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Spirit, it comes and prompts youwith the answers.
I'm glad that Brandon went there, but no, actually what it
is it's that's a belt that will go underneath your pants for
something the. Answers to pass a test well.
I mean, you can't directly sip on it, but it's low enough to
help you pass. The could pass.
On sip on it but. Good.
I dare say the lower you go, themore likely you are going to
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pass. Your test, yeah.
Yeah, so go down to the show notes, check out synthetic 5 if
you or a friend that needs to take a test just because you
enjoy a certain plant. Yeah.
Hey, love you guys. Take care.
Welcome to Cannabis School. I'm your host, Jesse Angeles.
And I'm Brandon Elder. And we're here to talk to you
about everything pertaining to cannabis from.
Vape flour. Edibles, strains, and everything
in between. Talking about quality or
something, man down, something that I guess we've kind of
noticed over the last little while as we've gotten a little
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more into Utah concentrates. Which we are super grateful for.
Moxie big shout out. Beehive huge shout out.
Yeah, create amazing products. Moxie does.
I'd say probably 90% of the concentrates across Utah that
they're the ones who actually press create, but the products
are grown and that from the actual producers.
Yeah. And it's, you know, you really
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can tell from a producer who is a little bit more confident in
certain areas. And I will say that Moxie
extremely, they're they're very confident in their production of
concentrates. They create a wide variety of of
and you don't. BHO normal extractions to like
the ice water hash rosins, you know, and so they have quite a
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different selection of quality that we have across Utah.
There's one thing that I guess we've kind of noticed and it's
been on my mind quite a bit lately as I've been dabbing is
the difference in coloration of the concentrate, not necessarily
at the start, but after a session or two.
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Now when I mean a session or two, I mean like you turn on the
dab rig, you get it up to temp, you take a hit, it's done
cooling. That's one session.
So after like one session, maybe2 with Utah products, it's kind
of had this look to it like. Like you used motor oil?
Yeah. And then any of our legacy
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products that we have got that we've noticed they actually
after 2345 sessions still come out like this golden Y ambery
honey color. Yeah, or E at all like it.
It goes in the same way like today I'm using hash.
Was it the hash? Burger.
Hash burger from a legacy product and we're comparing it
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with out of state is the brand, but it's a Utah brand, but it is
Burger Poppy now this. Is it's a great one too.
It's a fantastic, a really chillindica strain.
But just to kind of compare branded and looking at it and
I'm not going to heat it up justfor that simple comparison.
Hash burger When I go into hash burger, super soft, almost like
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it's soft warm room temperature butter.
Yeah, 100%. What's that one going to feel
like? This isn't heated yet.
So I mean this one is. Pretty close.
It's still a little bit tougher A.
Little tougher. There's a little bit more of
like a not quite room temp butter, but not quite like
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fridge butter. It's kind of in between there,
but it's, I don't know, it's notbad.
I've just. No, it's a really good
consistency. So that's where we're like, you
know, what's causing this discoloration.
So to talk more about it, like we're going to talk about kind
of some of the the different processes.
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So the one that's usually toutedis the ice water hash.
So tell us a little bit about that, Brandon, like educate us,
like what you know from a layman's perspective to advanced
perspective, why is that a sought after method for many
people? Oh, well, 'cause it doesn't have
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any solvents, so it's called a solventless extract basically.
And so when you use the ice water and well ice water, it's
just ice and water. So that just removes the
trichome. So you're getting like the
cleanest process of actually extracting that.
You're not using heat, so you'renot degrading your trichomes or
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your THC or cannabinoids at all.You're not using butane where
you're trying to utilize the pressure of the gas to press out
every bit of oil and you know, that's going to get, I mean.
You and then you're left with residual like tiny traces within
there and yeah, obviously they're going to go Oh well it's
burnt off or it's off because wedegassed it or did this, but
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you're still using that initial extraction method.
It's not it's interesting. It's not Oh yeah.
When that one's like right on it, it does it.
So yeah, I've been the thing I noticed in as well as I dab at
425°F that's probably lower thanmost people if you guys dab.
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What is your temperature? Do you know?
I know OK, I know Abe he does the torch in E rig and he says
this got him real good. His is around like 895 just
because of the temp that it's like cooling down or getting too
and that's super hot. But I'm surprised that this
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leaves any sort of residue at all.
But that's what I noticed is theonly ones that left residue on
my banger were Utah products. I was just like, that's why I
was looking up real quick. I'm like, man, what are the
terps in this thing? Because it's making me, yeah,
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miracing often high and then lemoning and then karyophylline.
So the lemoning is nice because it's going to keep me chill.
It's got pining humanly. Oh man, this is a great hybrid
strain hash burger, right, For that reason alone.
But one of the great things about concentrates guys is that
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a little goes a long way. And so we talked about that with
Brandon. Brandon was just like, you know,
he he goes through about the water hash and why that's
important. We could go through every other
one, but pretty much it, it's just the process.
It gets less and less clean. You start there.
I'm sure there's other extraction methods that maybe we
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don't know about on that side, maybe even cooler new ones all.
Right, so I've done one session with this and one session on
yours. We've got now if I look around
yours, you've got this really light, light honey color.
Do you barely think anything is in there and if?
You look around mine. It's got.
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Brown soup in the bottom already, not quite black.
So you get 2 sessions? Yeah.
By this time you do 2 sessions. It's used motor oil.
It's a. Used walnut brown like a, it's
like a walnut brown, a dark walnut brown, yeah.
And that is after one session. How many hits 5?
Six. No, just because I I only count
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that as one because it was the one session.
I I never count how many times Ipull on it.
Well, I I mean, I would because each one is it's it's also.
A different size hit for each one.
So unless I'm timing it and making sure I'm drawing it the
exact same inhaled right? Fair enough then it's.
Really hard to gauge. I typically won't let the whole
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thing run unless it's like Awakeand Bake 'cause I'm outside and
I'm just kind of like listening to music or I'm just cruising
the Internet and I'll keep goingwhere I'm hitting right?
But you're exactly right with like with one session that going
to that walnut brown from this one barely coating it.
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Well, that still looks like a light, really light, almost
whitish honey, so. Why is it important that we're
talking about the the color of that one?
I mean, is the color just kind of like a maybe that's just the
color of it? Well.
And that's what we've been curious on, and hopefully
someone at home has a little more insight into it.
Because when we talked before wegot on the show and as you were
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cruising down, we're kind of talking about like, does that
matter? Is there something that causes
that? Because the thing I noticed is
it doesn't matter if it's a UtahBHO or which one it is.
Whether it's Dragonfly, Moxie out of state, any label I've
found in Utah gets this darkish brownish.
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Now I could go one more, I couldgo one more with this and be
just fine. But what I want to do is I'm
actually going to wipe this out just a little bit because you
can see it's actually a pretty darkish brownish color already
on that. Now it wiped out nice and clean.
Obviously there's some residue, but I don't have ISO right here,
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so I'm not going to clean that out.
But that's 22 sessions of that running and that's it.
And it's already that dark of a color.
This is crazy dark for just 2 little sessions when I feel I
can use probably 6 or 7 sessionswith any legacy product I've had
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and it still is not even the same color that it was after the
first session so. Doing just real quick top of the
level of research, right. So some of the things is just a
possibility. The out of state extraction
method and purge quality. It could be using that they use
a closed loop hydrocarbon system.
So butane, propane or a blend fully purged under control.
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Vacuum and low heat removing residual solvents and moisture.
Often labeled as live resin, diamonds and sauce, which tends
to stay golden clear when heatedso Utah concentrates turns dark
brown, but that. Depends on it.
It like it does that with every extraction method, whether it's
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BHO, whether it's live rosin. But it it's also like the
concentrates that maybe you're getting out of there are not
just maybe it's a live resin, maybe it's a, it's almost like,
no, it's not a sauce. No.
And that's The thing is I know that that extraction method that
comes from the Legacy 1 is not going to be a ice water hash.
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It is always a BHO or it's always a solvent that is used to
do that extraction method. So when I see a solvent method
that surpasses in my mind feels like surpasses the quality of
any product that comes from Utah's, whether it's solvent or
solventless, both of them are really just not not giving that
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same quality, it seems like. And maybe there's maybe there's
a disconnect. Maybe I'm way off and that
doesn't actually matter. Maybe the discoloration of the
concentrate or the coloration ofit over like a couple rounds,
even at a super low temp doesn'tactually matter.
Maybe it's only aesthetics and in my mind that that matters.
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So again, doing some more because I'm, I'm, we're having
this conversation and it's making me think about it like,
because first of all, like when we started seeing this, it
wasn't that we were going immediately to it's nefarious,
but it's also like, well, what'sthe process?
And and this is kind of interesting here because when
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you have a fresh frozen high terp flower like golden or clear
SAP like the aged and oxidation in the dry trim, darker rosin
with brown that Browns fast whenheated.
So if it's aged, oxidized and dry trimmed.
Press that also talked about a live 1 because it talked about
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freshly frozen. So I The thing is some of the
Utah products are fresh frozen and then some of the like the
legacy market, I don't honestly know if it's fresh frozen.
I would be surprised. If it was, if it.
Was so well, that's why I expecta lower grade quality from the
legacy product and. They all impress.
Temperature, like temperature, has a lot to do that.
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But here's one cure and storage conditions.
So again. Do me a quick favor.
We plug in that I don't know. We're good.
We're good is. It just making noise.
No, I hearing a noise and I wasn't sure what it was so I was
just curious. You're good.
So the curing is storage, right?If out of state.
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Batch was cold cured, kept refrigerated, slow whipped.
It preserves terps and clarity. Utah batch may be warm cured or
jar cured in ambient room temperatures.
Oxidation starts before you evendab it.
When you heat it up that. Depends on the product, yeah.
Right. And so it's like, and it's just
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saying like the oxidized lipids of caramelize, they they
caramelize and turning dark brown.
Yeah. But see that's that's assuming
that the legacy product has way better care than the Utah
product from what it sounds like.
And and I know for a fact it's actually not well.
Then that's where I would put on, which is the experience of
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the extractor, how much time they put into it because you can
tell it's like a grower, like let's take Utah market in
general. When their products started
coming out they were trash. 100%, yeah, we didn't have great
products at all and. What happens over time is they
get better at their process. Like, you can get a legacy
grower and bring them to Utah, but now they're starting in a
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different climate, different access to products.
Yeah. Different seeds, different
clones, different accessibility,like you said to those.
And even like you said, our, ourAG department has specific
control over certain aspects within cultivation not to.
And, and the curiosity, like on our phone call before in my
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mind, and maybe someone at home can answer this was, is it
potentially A nutrient or a something that's used in the
water? Or like our water system, like
many areas, probably doesn't have all the best chemicals and
stuff found in the water. And is there any sort of
filtration system prior getting into the entire grow before
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that? Or is it truly just dumping in
like tap water kind of stuff without a filter into all of
that? Like 'cause when I checked the
water system here, even where I live, it was a realization of
holy cow, there's so much garbage just in the normal tap
water, like the normal water that's found within the city.
So is that the same stuff that is getting fed to all of these
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plants without filtering at all?So does that translate down to
these really dark colors within 2/3 sessions?
And that's where you're talking about cost, right, 'cause now
we're going into cost 'cause if you're talking about that, we're
talking about production cost where a legacy market can cut
corners, but they have more time.
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Like for instance, that Shea butter you made, the stuff is
amazing for pain and I love it. But you know, you've made other
ones in the past that look really weedy, but this one was
clear. And so it's over time your
teachers got more exact, more clear.
And so that's why I'm thinking when you get these newer
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markets, which Oklahoma is stillconsidered ish a newer market,
right? But they're still probably going
to the same things, probably worse because they're a rec
state. The more products that are
available, the harder it is for you to find out which ones are
going to be the top quality because you typically go towards
the lower one or whatever the bud tender's trying to push.
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Yeah. Well, I think a lot of people go
to that, hey, what's the highestTHC?
What's the lowest dollar? What's your cheapest product
with your highest THC? What's thinking what's my
biggest bang for my buck? But really that's not
necessarily your biggest bang for your buck.
And that's been the struggle is finding what is truly that most
effective product for you. Exactly, and and speaking to
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that, you know, and, and this is, I think it would be a great
turning point for this, for thisdiscussion is to talk about like
what are the positives of getting into using concentrates
and not concentrates in the way of saying, oh, I got a vape pen.
Yes, that's a concentrate technically.
I feel like they're never the same quality as you get in a
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little puck. Well, and, and you know, I mean,
you know, it's like what to be John said, like you're free
basing, you know, butane or whatever else or BHO, right,
whatever. I mean, you're, you're free
basing that too. And you know, there are the
drawbacks of pens. Pens are convenient.
They're easy. But when you look at
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concentrates, what I see like somebody will see it like a gram
in Utah goes for around 70 bucks.
You can see that 60 to 60 to 85 probably, yeah.
So your average cost is gonna bearound that.
So you get a gram and when you open that thing up you'll be
like fuck you. Seriously.
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That's 'cause it looks so. Small.
But you have to look at it wherethe impact is more of like A7
course meal, 7 course meal. You're not gonna leave stuffed.
You're gonna leave like in an experience and this exact same
way to look at concentrates is in it is a more of a concierge
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high. That's I know my flowery
language right there. But to be honest, because you're
using quite a bit less, you would think you need to use a
lot now depending on your level of tolerance.
But for new users you have products like the honey honey
honey stick, honey stick where they have the phantom which I
(18:08):
used or. Even this.
Honestly, this one. 100% E rigs.Like this one I think is $170
without our code and. I love that little one on top.
Do you don't need all of this, but I do love that they have an
assortment of different cool looking theme stuff because
like, hey, you know, some peoplewanna accessorize their high
(18:29):
when. You if you guys are using
concentrates, do you use an E rig?
What's your temperature and whatare you dabbing at?
Yeah, Do you like glass and why?You know, do you feel like it
gives you better control or are you one of those sick bastards
Using what, like 2? 2 hot knives 2 hot.
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Yeah. Sports show, go help yourself
out, get some money back. Yeah, I I think that these I
mean, and that's why I talked about like the honey stick too,
because the honey stick is is awesome in a way where it's more
convenient to go on the go. And it's a nice one, like going
up to an E rig. Most people at first are a
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little intimidated, but then after the first session and you
feel it and how little you used and the smell factor, like if
you're trying to be, you know, alittle bit more discreet.
There were times where I would be at work and I would go out
and I would take a couple hits off my dab rig and go back to
work. I can't smoke flour in an
office. No.
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And concentrates are great. And people go, well, I've got,
I've got a, I've got my pen. This is like a widish clear
after the first one which. One is that one I just.
Switched to burger hash burger and the legacy one.
I'm looking at it in comparison like this is nuts to see the
coloration difference just on one session.
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And I don't know, have you guys noticed that in your state
products, are there a big difference in coloration and
quality on your concentrates that you're going?
Obviously you often find a huge difference in like.
Your shatter and stuff all the way up to your diamonds and
sauce or or your hash rosins. Those usually you'll find a
(20:19):
difference in in quality. But if you are ever using in
state versus out of state or legacy products, do you notice a
comparable difference in qualitythat maybe 1 is better than the
other? If so, do you find it's leaning
more towards your regulated products that are better quality
or are you finding that it's your legacy products that are
(20:41):
getting better quality? I know, right?
You hear the coughing and you'relike, oh, maybe I shouldn't do
this. But then, you know, after you're
like, Oh yeah, that's why I do it.
It is it, it really is. You're you got it.
There's so many options, dude. And, and for those I mean in
Utah, 60 to $80.00 for a gram it's.
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Quite a bit. It's quite.
A bit other states, you would besurprised.
They're probably on par with that, maybe a little less it.
Depends on the state and some are, well, it really depends too
because even in Colorado I can go to certain places and find
comparable pen prices. I can find comparable the
concentrator flower prices. Or you could, it just depends on
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the city. I don't.
Know if they still have them, but you know, disposable sauce
pens like I've seen those. I've seen what?
What is that like? Because sauce is usually just
overly turpy stuff. Not yeah.
It was super turpy. So is it like a sauce with like
it? Probably was like a sauce then,
but even then though they have to.
(21:46):
Like it would be so fine 'cause the diamonds I feel like would
clog the hardware to. Be honest, I might have been had
on that one, but. They were putting so much on
different pens and stuff. Well.
Pens were what like this got this show off the ground like
and, and flour. But you know, we, we had such a
different way of going about it.We'd smoke it and then we'd talk
(22:06):
about it afterwards, which, you know, that's why I was only 15
minutes long, 'cause they're just like, fuck, I ran out of
things. But now, Now.
That we're smoking on the show using.
And you get to experience what we're talking about.
And then you know, when you're like, you know, I'm going to
find something like that. You know what I was thinking, we
should be putting in the show notes just randomly the terps
for that episode. Usually there are if the yeah,
(22:30):
if there's a strain, it has the terpenes that cannabinoids this
guy. That's what I do.
This guy, this guy, so, you know, I mean, honestly, it's,
it's those things where, you know, you really need to be
looking at like what's the experience you're going for?
You know, even talking to Bijan,which was really awesome too,
because it it was more on the product consumer side.
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And you know, it's really difficult for a, a legit
cannabis. I mean, and I say legit, let's
say being taxed to shit cannabiscompany to one that actually
makes their money and reinvest it into something that's
profitable, but they have to design it something else.
There's something to be said with that, man.
I mean, it almost seems like producers now have to be forced
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into something that won't produce the best product.
Yeah, I can see that. Because they just don't have
people inside going, yeah, that'd be good for cannabis
plants. So it's even crazier that burger
Poppy is a live rosin concentrate.
So that's one of the best ones you can get without going into
like a hash. That's really surprising that
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like it's also supposed to be pain relieving, happy, relaxed,
creative, calming, balanced for the burger Poppy from out of
state. But yeah, that first dab off of
the Legacy Hashburger did way better than the two sessions off
of the other one. Yep, and.
That's only been one so far, andthat's so.
(23:57):
I've run 2. Really surprising check.
That out it starts out looking like the other one would when
it's barely put in and it was a warm bowl.
It's not even close to the firstsession of the 1st.
No, I'm. I'm very elevated at the moment,
you know, I mean, not super high.
I really like this one. We need to review this next
(24:18):
episode. Oh. 100% we'll.
Just go right into that, but youknow, it's I don't know.
I I'm before you know, and we'llpush.
We always say flower first, but in and flower should be first on
many aspects. Whether you're developing
edibles or tinctures or you're smoking it or you're vaporizing
it, whatever it is, flowers a great way to experience this
(24:39):
plant at its purest and, and typically I feel at its best.
And I'm not trying to get inebriated, I'm trying to get an
experience. But I would say that
concentrates are the greatest next step when you are in your
cannabis journey. For me personally, edibles are
fine. Carts should be treated like
(25:00):
microwavable dinners. It's not something you want to
live off of. You really don't.
It's not healthy. It's not good for you long term.
It doesn't. Taste great, but it's and you.
Don't get the the exact same experience.
The only thing I get from pens now is high.
I get a high feeling because it's mostly THC.
Alright, so we're gonna we're gonna show this because it see
(25:22):
maybe, maybe you can see this bottom.
This is the top part. That's two sessions on
Hashburger from a legacy product.
It is slightly colored, slightly, slightly and.
Barely is. Burger Poppy 2 sessions, way
darker coloration. And it could be just like what
(25:42):
it was saying. It's it's part of the oxidation
process, which was making me think like, maybe it's the
elevation that could be causing that to turn that way, almost
like fruit. Like you remember when we only
had apples, which was red, greenand yellow.
Yeah. We didn't have all of these
crazy variants of crossbred or you.
(26:05):
Get the crazy ones going. Hey, do you like grapes?
Well, grapes that taste like cotton candy or strawberries and
you're like, this is fucking weird it.
Is super weird, but I mean that's what they're doing with
cannabis is just hybridization of it's every strain you.
Know it's kind of like, you know, we talked about like they
had this like test that could beable to line your
(26:26):
endocannabinoid system with that.
But but but but now. It's almost in a way where
they're trying to design the plant specifically for that
issue. Like I I could see in the
future, because it, we're going to hybridize the shit out of
this thing until it just stops. But the cool thing is, is what's
going to come out of that? Because I think that we're going
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to be able to see more, more finite cannabis products that
are developed, not just the plants, but everything else from
there where it's gonna fit that certain thing.
Like you're like, I wanna feel this.
Like when you take Tylenol, typically you're gonna you're.
Gonna have autism? Yeah, let.
Me tell you a little awesome andI'm like, dude, I mean, some of
(27:11):
his ideas are awesome. You're like you dude.
I'll get behind. That, yeah, you know, yeah,
totally dying early. I don't know any of those cool
ideas ladies come up but. No, those ones are fine because
I mean there's the theories. The Tylenol one was I.
Just really want to find out whotheir dealer is and get access
to whatever the fuck they're taking.
(27:32):
It's the. Methylene blue I'm taking,
right? I mean, it's not much shitting
on him. I mean, I, I, I would, it would
be so hard to beat him. Every time you speak, it would
feel strained. Oh yeah.
I can't even imagine your. Throat would hurt sounds.
Like his throat has Parkinson's.Well, he just, he went through
some really bad illness and that's what happened to him
after. But you know, it, it's, it's
(27:55):
even that like you're like, whatever, but it, you know, in
this world, I, I just, I was even like that.
I was super skeptical. I was very apprehensive about
even trying it. Like afraid that all the sudden
my addiction to cannabis is justgoing to be tenfold.
There's a time and a place for it.
(28:15):
It's a tool, right? It's a tool 100%.
It's going to help you. It won't be the answer.
It's just a tool to get you to where you need to go.
Whether it's chill the fuck out,whether it's go to sleep,
whether it's to work, whether it's to enjoy life around you
and stop being such a grumpy fuck.
Yeah, 'cause sometimes that's all you need.
I thought it was quite funny. I on my dad's side, very
(28:37):
religious on both sides of the, you know, family line.
And I have a cousin they, their dad's very religious, that whole
side and everything. They moved out of state and they
realized moving out of state that the culture is so different
outside than it is inside. And so many of their friends had
(29:00):
realized that they didn't need to be on like anxiety meds or
depression meds or all these other things.
They just needed a gummy at the end of the day or a glass of
wine to take the edge off. And that was really all it was.
And once they introduced like small doses of cannabis or
something, it was just that simple.
It was, hey, maybe life just isn't so shitty sometimes
(29:24):
because you take that edge off and it isn't getting crazy high
or that that they were hunting for.
It was just I just need life to not be so intense right now and
that's it. And you know, ancestors for we
don't even know how far back have been using plants like this
(29:44):
to be able to not disassociate, but being able to reflect.
And they did it often and they didn't have the distractions
they have today. They had different types of
distractions, like survival and learning how to live
comfortably. Yeah.
Yeah. They wanted to live comfortably,
(30:05):
like childbirth. You know, that's taken pretty.
Oh God, pretty lackadaisical. Now it's like, oh, well, let's
just take Sandy to the to the hospital.
But back then, they're like, you're having a baby.
Where now where, Nahir? And how well and I think about
that too there's. Dirt, even the.
Like, Oh, well, the baby's upside down and the cords
wrapped around and this and OK, well, they don't have all that.
(30:29):
No, and that's why keep. That Wow.
OK, Yeah. Yeah, they didn't have all that.
And it's the it's to think aboutlike they use that to be able to
connect with themselves. They use that to be able to
connect maybe with a higher power.
They use that to be able to reflect and almost look at their
(30:51):
day, their life, their choices in a third party's in, in a
third person's perspective. Where you, that's where
honestly, like, you know, I, I always think about that like any
protest going on. I wish I could make like these
gas grenades. But what it is is underneath
here, there's a plate and this plate heats up to a certain
(31:11):
degree. And on top of that is a bunch of
fucking concentrate. And then what it does is it
hyper pressurizes it. And when you pull that pen, it
lights the plate. It's.
Like a gas grenade and it just shoots out.
Yeah, smoke can, but. Instead of like people like
throwing it back at the cops, they're like, and everybody.
(31:33):
And what would that do, man? What would that do?
Right. Dude, the cops would put away
their batons and their Shields. We would start talking shit out.
Like I know that sounds so hippie, but truly?
I saw a video of these people ina room probably like 1020 people
and in the middle of the room isthis giant hot plate and the guy
puts a a pound of concentrate onthis hot plate and it just
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starts like smoking and. Filling the room and.
Everyone's just like putting their head over it going like,
holy shit, could you? Even put that in a room slightly
burning and put a bunch of people in there who disagree
with each other. And I'm gonna, I'm gonna tell
you right now, like when you slow down to that third person's
(32:19):
perspective, you start to realize that the things you were
mad about don't really affect you.
They don't. They're not really about you.
And then when you start looking at other people, not necessarily
as an enemy or as a as a a stranger, you start seeing them
as a potential friend because you know, it it cannabis kind of
(32:39):
gives us this childlike quality and children are the best at
that where they just like, oh, who are you?
Oh, I can't talk to you because you're of XYZ religion and I
don't believe in that or you're not a part of my XY release.
Oh. Hey, you're here, I'm here,
you're a kid, you're my friend. There's.
Sand. Yep, there's a playground and
(33:00):
they do you. Remember that?
Hey look at my new friend. Make your kids coming up.
Oh, you literally just met that person like half a second ago
and then 20 seconds later look at my new friend and there's
like another new kid and it's just, they're just friends
'cause they exist and they're there and.
That's why What more? Did you need a?
Bunch of people love the 90s man.
The 90s were probably one of themost colorblind eras.
(33:23):
Like you think about it like when kids were growing up during
that time, they look up to Michael Jordan.
They didn't care if you were. Michael Jordan do black.
White, Asian, brown, purple, youknow.
He was just Aqua. Color.
Whole nother level of superstar,but all of them.
Were Scottie Pippen, David Robson like?
Watching all of those. People.
(33:44):
They're amazing. They were large Rodman with his
crazy ass hair and getting married to himself.
Now what do we have? If you're a basketball player,
immediately it's had to erase and they're just like, Yep, cuz
you know you're trying to keep me down.
What I don't remember this time and I'm I'm so glad that I grew
up during a time where I truly. Felt.
(34:06):
Color blind, you know, towards the end of my adolescence, half
of my. Friends growing up were
Hispanic, Native American like they were.
They were your friends. They were just.
Kids. They were your friends, Yeah.
You didn't go. Oh, you can't do that because
you're no. None of that shit now.
I, I experienced racism throughout the 80s.
I did a lot and I'm, I look white as can be, but I, I was, I
(34:32):
experienced it during that time.I remember being called spic and
wet back. That was the first thing to go
after me. Like if some kid for randomly
would call me that like you stupid spic.
And I'm like, whoa, well, I don't even know what that means.
What is that? And then when I was told I got
angry about at the time, and nowI think about it like as an
(34:52):
older person would, yeah, using cannabis in that way.
Dude, I I wouldn't look for those things.
I would be like, dude, go put a Jenga thing in the middle of a
room. Everybody has to smoke before
you go in there. Nobody knows each other.
Sit down and nobody can talk until the buzzer goes off.
And when it gets to 10 minutes, everybody's going to go play
Jenga and they're going to startsharing stories and they're not
(35:13):
going to give a fuck about what their beliefs are or what they
like to do in the bedroom or, orif they.
Do it's just all joking and happy and not not like
judgmental and yeah. Like, you know, I mean, there
could be a gay guy go over theregoing this cock sucker saying,
oh, it's always my fault. And then everybody starts
laughing and just like, you know, that would be a fun and
(35:35):
nobody would care about that. So yeah, moral of the stories,
kids, look into your concentrates.
What are you smoking? It's.
Been an interesting test today of these quality of
concentrates. If you guys are looking to see
if your concentrates pass a testor if you're just struggling to
pass a test. Synthetics 5 is perfect for
(35:58):
passing tests, so we got Check the show notes below.
They'll help you pass your test.Oddly enough, they also have
fake P that helps you pass tests.
Yeah. This fake P helps you pass
tests. This one the S5 belt kit.
This one's pretty cool for passing tests for the more
clandestine taker I. Bet it's probably like the Holy
(36:21):
Spirit, it comes and prompts youwith the answers.
I'm glad that Brandon went there, but no, actually what it
is it's that's a belt that will go underneath your pants for
something the. Answers to pass a test well.
I mean, you can't directly sip on it, but it's low enough to
help you pass. The could pass.
On sip on it but. Good.
I dare say the lower you go, themore likely you are going to
(36:42):
pass. Your test, yeah.
Yeah, so go down to the show notes, check out synthetic 5 if
you or a friend that needs to take a test just because you
enjoy a certain plant. Yeah.
Hey, love you guys. Take care.
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