The Sesh That Hit the Soul

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I'm Brandon. And I'm Jesse, we're cannabis
school. Having cannabis infused
conversations. With everyday people.
Cannabis companies. Celebrities.
And your mom? Welcome.
To the sesh. This smells funny.
What is this? I was like.
Yeah, I was like, oh, it smells like paint strip like this is
really strong. Don't try that at home, kids.

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Maybe. Maybe I should just do the
lighter? I got you in there too, but
they've been fantastic. I use it for.
I've been in this fantastically horrible habit of lighting Jay
Rolling Jays Now recently did anepisode with Bijan over at
Beehive. And that guy can roll.

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And roll amazing. Best joints I have ever seen in
my. Entire life, it was kind of a
funny thing, 'cause like, his premises just sits down, he
goes. He's a very serious guy.
All right, guys, here's the deal.
I'm gonna roll and you're going to smoke and we're just going to
keep going. Let me simplify this for you.
Yeah, dude. And he just kept rolling and
rolling. And Brandon is like the Special

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forces of. Smoking weed.
Tolerance Jesse is just like I'mbrand new recruit.
I got out of boot camp. I've done a couple things.
I mean, I can do a, but it was awesome because I actually
hanged with him the entire time.Most of the time, I'd say about
90% of the time. And then, yeah, but it was
great. I mean, some of the best joints

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I've ever had, so soft so, but they were perfect.
But anyways, going on about that.
Realize I didn't even know how to hand roll.
Yeah, no, we both learned hand roll from that.
Yeah, from what was his name? Bijan.
Bijan. And what does he run?
He's the owner over at Beehive. OB CS OK.
Cool. Yeah, that's great.
Cool guy. Salt Lake and Brigham.

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Yeah, I feel like I've heard hisname, you know, around as I've
kind of gotten into the industry.
Yeah, if he ever listens to us. Dude, you need to chill the fuck
out and go actually go do something for yourself instead
of working all the time, yeah. For real.
That's all he does is like, I just work.
I'm married to the job. I'm like, oh man.
That can only last so long. That was a big part of my story.
Do I can relate to that for sure.
No, I you know, the best part about it is, you know, having

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those around you that you love and you care about and having
time to be able to get to know them because this life goes too
fast man it. Really does.
Totally. So what did you guys smoke?
So we're smoking on Papaya Bomb from Dragonfly.
OK now boat doesn't really. It's fantastic.
Beau's not a really big smoker, he doesn't really do that, but

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he's been doing these amazing things called tinctures.
Yep. Yeah.
So I'm gonna take J1 which is. A.
Oh, JJ. Love J1 dude.
J1's fantastic. I haven't had that.
It's a Jacker Air. Yeah, it's Skunk X, it's a
hybrid, but it's definitely a sativa hybrid.
So I'll take this in the morningand and it lights up pretty
well. Dude that's cool, 'cause I'm I'm
a big fan of J1, that is AJ. One's great.

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That's a crackhead. Also is a live rosin tincture,
so not not just flower. Both of the ones that I brought
today, G code and the J1 are live rosins and what this is so
so I formulated this to be 10.6 milligrams per ML of a THC, 50
milligrams of CBD and 25 milligrams of CBG per ML.

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That's that's a pretty heavy hitter for medical.
I already took in my coffee thismorning.
I took Maui Wowie. Oh, Maui I.
Love it in the morning. It's a it's a good lift.
I put it in my coffee. You know I it's.
A real like good mellow. I'm ready to have decent
conversations and not be upset or drive.

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Brandon should have used it backin the day.
Oh my gosh. He's such a calm driver now.
Oh, I don't know. I haven't driven with him in a
while. That's true.
I feel like I've definitely mellowed out some.
It's been, yeah. It's just a journey.
It is a journey and IA lot of itwas realizing like, I'm normally
never an angry person. I'm actually really calm, really

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level headed, like pretty chill until I get behind the wheel,
yeah. And then I'm like who the fuck
are you? Why are you there?
Haven't you heard of a blinker? Why are you in this lane?
Yeah. Especially in Utah, like moved,
moving to Utah, it was a it was an eye opener.
Like, Oh yeah, that whole. Thing, when did you move to?
Utah. We moved here exactly 7 years
ago. Yeah, from from Cal.

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In the Bay Area, yeah. So born and raised Bay Area, I
grew up in a town called Carmel.It's like 2 hours out of San
Francisco. And then my wife's from the East
Bay. So like Danville, Oakland, that
area. And so I went to school in San
Francisco. I studied industrial design,
which is like the design of physical objects and.
And then we just stayed in the Bay Area for 17 years.

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Kids. Yeah, kids got two kids, a 19
year old who's at University of University of Hawaii.
Oh, cool. Yeah.
In Manoa and just having a rat experience.
Yeah, it's amazing. And he's super smart, super in
school like that. It just clicks for him.
That's cool. Really hard worker.
So, you know, he works support, mostly supports himself.

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He's studying anthropology now undergrad, and then that'll go
into archaeology for his grad work and then for his for his
PhD. You know, we'll see where he'll,
you'll see where he goes, but it'll either be Egyptology or
something within the archaeologyspectrum.
So he's chosen a life of poverty.
We've had some conversations about that, right?

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It's funny 'cause he landed an interview with the head of
Egyptology at Oxford during his junior year of high school and
went out to Oxford and I had also, and then I, I was invited
to come speak at Oxford. So we kind of doubled it up.
And so he got to spend 2 hours with the, the head of Egyptology
at Oxford. And their school of Egyptology
has four students sitting at 4 tables that all face each other

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in a library of artifacts. That's their entire school.
OK. And so he hand selects from all
over the world who he thinks aregoing to be the right people.
So he's sitting down for and, and Luke is like, I mean, he's
just on cloud 9, right? It's everything he's ever wanted
since he was a little kid. And they start having the
conversation and the guy, for two hours talks him out of
becoming an Egyptologist. And we were all like, by the

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end, just kind of devastated. So we walk out.
We're walking down the street of, you know, Hogwarts,
basically Oxford. Yeah.
This is very. Very nice.
Yeah, look at these exactly. And he just like.
So the gentleman crushes his dreams.
Crushes. His dreams and he's, he's
walking down the street and he'sjust like, I need to rethink
everything. And so he did and he finished

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school strong. I mean, you know, almost top of
his class, like amazing student.And then he switched and he's
like, I'm going to go psychology.
I'm going to become a therapist.I'm going to do something that
can help people. And then a year and a half into
school, he's just like, you knowwhat?
No, I've always wanted to do this.
I'm going to do it. And so he switched his major
anthropology and he's he's goingto archaeology.
We need more of that. We really do need more of that.

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I mean, the more that they're appearing and they're peeling
back right now and where they're, I mean, I'm sure you
know about the labyrinth that they have, they believe they've
uncovered and it's so massive. And to think about, I mean when
Herodotus has talked about it, he only got to see the top level
and they said the layers just keep.

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Going, keep going. I mean, it's unbelievable.
And with new technology, I mean,that's what I'm excited about.
And so is he. He's pretty tech savvy.
And so it's like, yes, he's going to be on digs, but also
he's going to be like using techthat like maybe doesn't even
exist yet. Yeah.
Oh yeah. And so he's taking like
different languages. He's, he's studying Spanish so
he can, do you know, Mesoamericaarchaeology?
That's cool, they've been finding took.

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Him to Egypt two years ago and that was like 2 weeks in Egypt
was. How long did you guys spend in
the in the pyramids? Oh, well, we had a day in the
pyramids. There's not much you can.
There's one pyramid you can go in, right?
And we did. We climbed down the tunnel into
the into the cavern. Unless you pay like 2 grand or
five grand to go in the other. Places, right?

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Yeah, you can get the VIP stuff and we just didn't.
What does it feel like in the pyramid?
So it feels very small, very claustrophobic and very hot.
I mean, you're crawling. You're, you're like, you're
crawling. Hands and knees, kind of hands
and knees in, in parts of it, yeah.
It's only so many people can go in.
But then you get in and you sit there.
And it's that feeling, you know,we've had it a few different

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places in the world, but it's that feeling where you sit there
and you're just like, I'm in thecenter of history right now,
Thousands and thousands of years.
This exact room with these exactthings have been here for
thousands of years and. That we knows what they are.
I. Know exactly nobody.
I mean, you got Zahi Awas, whichis so cool that he went on Joe

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Rogan and just set himself on fire.
Yes. Truly dumb.
Inspiring though, for those types of moments.
To be so inspired, one of the most interesting parts.
So when we went, we were in likefull deconstruction of our
Mormon faith at the time, right?So it's 2.
We started our like full deep dive deconstruction like 3 years
ago. OK, so two years ago, I guess
it's 2 1/2. Now here we are in Egypt and we

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were at this one temple and we had a Muslim tour guide,
Muhammad, and he was great. Like we loved him.
And for half the trip is just our little family of the four of
us and Muhammad. And so he kind of knew a little
bit of our background and so he would tie in the religious
aspects of of where we were going.
That's awesome. So we were this one temple that

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had been totally like not totally, but pretty decimated by
World War 2. And So what it did is the bombs
hit is that it exposed differentchambers in the temple that no
one knew existed or very few people knew existed.
And what was this was fascinating for us.
Like there, there was 1 temple where so every temple is
dedicated to a God, God, OK, an Egyptian God, but one temple was

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built to two gods. It's the only one.
So he took us to this two God temple.
And as you're going in the temple, it's all one big
entrance. And then you go into what
becomes the one chamber. But this had two chambers, OK.
And what happens is as the, you know, the poor would come and
give their offerings that were all brought up to, to Cairo for
the, the rich. They would come in and the and

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God would whisper through this secret channel what they were to
bring in, what they were to offer, which was really just
they needed more goat up in Cairo or they needed whatever,
right like. Bring more wine.
Exactly. God needs some grapes and a foot
rub. Dude, that reminds me of like
the Witcher 3. There was like 1 mission in

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there and there's these guys that go there, they go, oh, we
have to keep offering him things.
And it turns out it's just as Goblin Blow and.
He's just fat as shit. He's just like, I just need more
food. That's definitely what it felt
like. And so So what was interesting
is when the bombs hit, it uncovered the secret passageway
that the priest would go under the ground and then back up into

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this area where there were thesetwo slits and would speak in
different voices as the different gods commanding the
people to bring the different things, the different oh shit.
And so when the bomb hit, you could it all it exposed their
everything. It exposed wizard.
Behind the. Wizard behind the And so we're
sitting there, you know, Muhammad's explained all this
and we all just look at each other.

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It's like it's always been this way.
This is religion like this. It's it for thousands of years
it's been about manipulation in order to bring what the people
perceive as blessings, like they're being blessed by giving
these offerings. And in some way they are right.
In some way they're part of the community and part of all of
that. It's great.
But behind the scenes, what's happening is a priest has

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crawled down into this little space to speak as God's voice,
to tell them what to do. And yeah.
It was like mind blown. Here we are, you know, thousands
of years ago, this exact thing has been happening.
Were you a? Bishop at the time.
No, no. So I was Bishop.
Let's see, I was called to be Bishop in 2012, OK, And I served

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for five years full term. It was released in 2017.
It was interesting about that. So I had also been in a
bishopric before. But in California?
It was all in the Oakland state.Yeah, yeah.
So Oakland state just like within Mormon design of most of
your viewers aren't aren't Mormon.
No, but it was actually so both Jesse and I grew, I grew up

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Mormon, he off and on because his parents like he got
baptized, but then. Were pretty active my dad they
had missionaries come to his house when he was like around 18
and he decided to serve and theyjoined the church I mean the
biggest thing for him was his father-in-law smoked for 30 plus
years missionaries came in he quit that day never smoked again

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that's. Amazing.
Right and I was like, that's cool that happened those.
Are the fringe benefits that people forget when we get
resentful when we do look behindthe curtain and people kind of
go through the fuck the church phase and you forget that the
dude smoked for 30 years and this gave him a way out of that.
Sometimes we forget that. Oh yeah.
Beautiful. But some people need that type

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of moral compass or guidance to go like, hey.
And not everyone does. But like, we had a lot of sesh
episodes that kind of got religious vibes for a while.
Yeah. And some of our audience were
like, hey, is this religious school or like, yeah.
But. And to them we tell them fuck
you but anyways. But at the same time, it was a
realization for maybe some of them that like so much of where

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we are at our childhood, everything was surrounding that.
And it was fantastic. When Beau sends me this e-mail
going, hey, I'm Bishop, whatever.
And I was like, and I read it. I was like, oh, Bishop, Bishop,
wait a. 2nd. Bishop uses cannabis, OK, Like,
and he's here and we'll go get coffee, OK?

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Yeah, like, let's go have this conversation now in California.
You said you've been Bishop multiple times.
There's a couple things I want to touch on before we get into.
This whole story, Bishop Ricks. Yeah, it was only Bishop once,
but it was a multiple Bishop Ricks.
But Utah is a little different and there were some couple
things that you mentioned that kind of threw me for a loop

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because and I mentioned to friends here and people that
grew up here, no one ever heard of this type of thing you said
out in your ward in the stakes out there, you guys had both
male and female bishoprics on the stand simultaneously.
And that there were like even married couples of the same sex
who got temple recommends because it wasn't breaking that,

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you know, law of chastity of like, it's not outside of the
bonds of marriage. It's a little bit of clarity
there. So, so actually we couldn't give
them, Temple recommends. What happened is the state
president, who was a wonderful man, came to the bishops and
he's just like, guys, you've gotto stop giving temple recommends
to the to to couples who are, you know, gay couples who have
wards because he couldn't give it to them, because if he did

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it, then it goes straight to the70 and 70 to the brethren.
And so that that's what that's what happened there.
But we had active families in our wards, like completely
active, like totally part of ourwards that were gay couples that
were married, that had kids thatlike.
Why not? You would never know, right?
Like, they're just great membersof the church.
Well, because like. Anyone.
Else our high council, we had openly gay men on the high

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council who were temple workers.That's just how it was.
Yeah. Well, you know, I mean, it's
the, it's The funny thing. It's just around here because, I
mean, I'm steeped in Mormon history, more modern history for
the last 100 years and knowing that they've made a lot of
changes more on the business side, especially towards the
80s. But they struggled for a really

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long time. They struggled bad and you know,
they were always trying to conform like when the 1950s with
the nice like buttoned up. That's when they are all like,
okay, we got to do this. We can't look like farmers
anymore. Totally.
We got to do this. And with that it came this
weird. Like better than, I mean,
before. They're always a little weird,

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but then they get to this point and then they just take it up
another level. For sure, yeah.
And that kind of like, just bleeds into today.
Yeah, where you've got all theseold dudes up top and they still
think that way, you know, Like what?
What's the new one? Oaks.
Oaks. I mean, he looks like Rango.

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There's no reason. Like, I have problems with it.
You know, I'm still a part of itAnd on the main side of just
like, well, one, I'm Hispanic, Ihave tattoos.
I really wasn't a part of it. And I smoke weed.
Nobody's going to touch me. I'd be a pariah.
Yeah, for sure. It would, it would really
devastate them. So they're going to leave me

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alone. And I teach elders quorum.
And where do I teach from? Only from the New Testament.
And it's awesome. Like, you know, I told Brandon
about this one. You'd think it was funny, but I,
I taught a lesson and I wanted to talk about they're like, oh,
doing your, I know the church isso big on calling.
So I actually, I want to go intothat.

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From your perspective, was it hard to extend that to members
that you were just like, you know, you're supposed to feel
inspired, but it's more of just filling a quota from what I, I
mean, I've been a part of a bishopric as well and sitting in
it on those meetings, I'm like. You've got 200 callings to fill,
right? And you only have 150 active
people and about 50 of those aregoing to say yes to the callings

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and about 10 of those are going to do everything you ask.
So it's tough to fill those callings.
So it's definitely like there's you want the inspiration, you
want to be guided by the spirit to make the right call.
And the reality is you've got tostaff a huge company within each
ward, each. Congregation.
And that's what it is. It's a staffing service.
And so I would say the majority of the time spent in bishopric

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is just going through all the callings and, and what do we
need and who do we need and thenmeeting with those people.
And So what I started doing is at some point I just said, hey,
we're not going to meet with everybody anymore, OK?
It's taking too much of our time.
And also like we're wait a second, we're extending callings
in Relief Society and Primary that are ran by women and we're
doing it. No, no, no.

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So I called them in the the women leaders, the female
leaders, I'm just like, hey, I want you to start extending
these callings. This is up to you.
Who do you want? Who do you want to serve with in
these callings? And I want you to extend them
right that here you, you go, yougo.
Truly a volunteer. I mean, they need to feel
inspired by that for sure. And their their thing like it's
their group. But in Utah, you.

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See and deal with that first hand like.
Like how Brandon's dress? Yeah, I know.
I love it when he answered the door.
I'm like, yes, we're going full church mode.
I. Did I was like I have not
dressed aside from the the wedding I performed just last
month. I last month, I have not dressed
like Sunday clothes in 10 years.Like I don't ever do it.

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There's no reason to. So everyone at home, this is the
only time you will ever see this.
Yeah. Special occasion next week he's
gonna be knocking doors. So one thing.
So he talked about Luke for a moment.
My son, right? And then we have a daughter
who's 13 and she's in 8th grade and she's just this badass, very
creative, artsy. And it's an interesting

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experience now getting into cannabis over the last year
because especially when I'm making tinctures at home, I've,
I've, you know, built out a little spot to do it.
And she'll walk in the dorms, belike, why does it smell like
cannabis the first time? She's like, why does it smell
like weed? And like, yeah.
And so I put in a ventilation system and a filter system and
all that so it doesn't smell. And then every once in awhile,

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it's like, why does it smell like this?
And it's given us opportunities to start talking to her at a, at
13, right, about cannabis and about the medicinal benefits of
cannabis. And she's never seen me smoke.
She never will. And she'll never see me high.
I don't really get high. And so it's, it's cool to be
able to open up these conversations and, and same with
our son Luke, who occasionally does smoke, to be able to

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discuss cannabis in a healthy, positive way where they're not
growing up in Stoner families, right?
It's not like growing up in Carmel, Big Sur, Carmel Valley,
like there were the Stoner families.
Like Carmel's a hippie. It was a hippie town.
Now it's like super rich town, but it was a hippie town.
You go spend the night at somebody's house and in the
closet they're drying weed in the kids closets.

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Oh wow, like in the nineties, 80s and 90s.
Yeah, like fully. Grown in their.
Own, you know, they've got theirown little plantations and, you
know, old school 60s hippies that kids.
Are yeah, I I actually have. It's been really hard for my
wife. It still is.
It's for her family. Like we'll go camping with her
family, not my choice, but they come along and she's like, hey,

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could you? Yeah, totally.
And I said, you know what, no problem.
And I'll bring, I, I don't bringflour.
I'll bring like a dab rig or, ormaybe a pen.
And I try to do away from if that's the way it is.
But with my kids, I normalize itas much as possible.
And I was, it was so funny. You just said that 'cause I was

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going past my daughter yesterdayand she's 13.
And I said there's a buggy that I use cannabis.
She goes, no, it bugs Nick, son Nick, who's he's I have twin 16
year olds and he he's on the spectrum and so he doesn't get
things. But that's another thing, part
of the church, like he, they've tried to kind of pull him in and

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they're giving him that. But it's really surface level
all. The other boys it's.
Kind of surface level for him and he's starting to see that,
but it's getting in his head from these old dudes about, you
know, you don't do these things.And he goes.
Why do you? Do it.
And I'm like, let's talk. If you want to get bored to

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tears, we can talk. Yeah, Yeah.
And. So all they're going to say.
Is bad, Yeah. All they're going to say is.
No, right. It's it's black or white Yeah.
Versus new. The nuance of understanding it.
That's cool that you're. You're allowing those
conversations to happen. It was a long time for me.
Brandon's just like this. What happens?
I mean, it was a little while. Mine was.
I was using. Pens.

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But I was discreet with it for many years.
And then there was a time I was camping with my kids and I have
chronic back pain. I have practice for a motorcycle
accident and that experience, there's certain times that that
pain is way hard or way more pronounced than other times, and
pens just don't quite cut that in those moments.

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So we were camping and it was not early enough to put the kids
to bed and it was me and my kids.
So I'm not going to leave them to go wander off and smoke.
That would be stupid. And.
So I'm sitting there almost in tears from the pain that I have.
And they've seen me use a pen, but like, off discreetly, like,
I'm not trying to have it in their face.

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So then I sit down and I pull out a nug, and I start
explaining to him, like, you guys have seen me use this pen,
right? And I'm like, yeah, I'm like,
you know, that helps with my back.
I'm like, it helped your mom with her Crohn's stuff when we
did this. It helped your Nana with this,
helped your uncle with this. And I'm like, yeah, OK, I I
understand that. And I'm like, so this pen is

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just a concentrated form that's,you know, they kind of have to
process it through stuff to get it to this stage.
So it's not necessarily as good as the original form.
And the original form is just a plant when I pulled out the
flower and I'm like, this is that original form.
It's way more effective, it's way more potent.
It it hits better and it does more of what I need with this

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than it does with this like, butthis is frowned upon.
And so many people. Go this is bad.
This is dangerous because they don't, unfortunately, understand
it. They've never spent any time to
research it, understand how it interacts with their body, their
mind, what they feel that they don't.
Need to because they already know it's bad.
Why would I research this? Why would I even give it any

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energy at all? Because it's bad.
Yeah, because I went to. That place where this guy goes
underground and he speaks into two places to tell us what to
do. You mean the guy?
Who doesn't know me, has never met me, who's 93 years old, who
really just cares about his temple and getting what he
wants. That guy.
That guy. Yeah, Yeah, OK, yeah, I know
that guy. So I was sitting there and.

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And I was like, you know, the most effective way, the quickest
way for me to do it is to smoke it.
But it's not like a cigarette. It doesn't, you know, it's, it's
different. And I'm like, but they're like,
oh, isn't smoking bad? And I'm like, yeah, smoking's
not great. Inhaling flame or burning things
isn't necessarily great, but this is probably the quickest,
most effective way and. 10 years.

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Ago, there was no medical program.
There's nothing. It was that was my option.
And vaporizers were scarce. And, like, so I had that
discussion. And I was like, so I hurt really
bad. And I don't want to use this in
front of you guys because I don't want you guys to have a
misconception or that. But at the same time, I'm not
trying to normalize it of like, hey, you should use this or try

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this. Especially their kids.
Yeah. And my kids at the time were
like, 9 and six. Like, they were super young.
Now they're, you know, 13 and 16.
But it was this discussion of like, I'm almost in tears from
this pain that I'm in, and I don't know how to navigate this
because I'm not going to leave you here, but my pen's not going

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to cut it either. And I was like, all right, well,
I guess now is the moment that Ihave this discussion and like,
like, all of us find ourselves in this thing.
You know, your daughter's like, why does it smell like weed?
But the conversations now? Are different.
Yeah, they're very different. Very different so like now I can
explain to her what it is and then I can also explain and and
share with her like she's heard my mom talk about it right so

(25:34):
taught my mom how to make the tinctures and how to make the
balm that I make and my mom's a brief history on her She's had
that rheumatoid arthritis for 40years she's had suicidal
depression for 40 years so probably my.
Brother my. Older brother, so a year and a
half older than me, died of AIDSin 1986, and he was the first
kid to ever be treated at Stanford Hospital for AIDS

(25:56):
because we're all hemophiliacs in our family.
And that ties into my story. I'll walk you through the
hemophilia stuff. Hemophilia is a bleeding
disorder where our blood does not clot.
It can't. Clot we don't have.
The factor aid that that clots so you can bleed out really.
Fast. Very much so.
Mostly internal. Bleeding and then which causes
crazy arthritis over the years and and so on.
So my brother's the patient, 01 for AIDS when he's seven years

(26:17):
old. By 9, he dies.
They kept him alive for about 6 months longer than they thought
they would. And so traumatic, right?
My mom was like 30 years old andmy dad was 31.
Three weeks after my brother dies, my dad's called into the
state president's office and called to be Bishop.
What the fuck? Yeah, let that sink in.
For a SEC, of course, he says yes.
And my mom's therapy through that time was just journaling.

(26:41):
She journaled a lot, a lot, a lot, a lot.
And then she turned that journalinto a book that became a #1
bestseller, toured all over the world doing, you know, book tour
became a movie. Like it was a whole a whole
thing. What's the book?
It's called Go Toward the Light,and it's beautiful.
It's a story of how does a mother, how do parents help
their child to die? And so all right, so my mom

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after this, the rheumatoid arthritis, the RA just crushes
her as a young like 3233 year old, OK.
A few years later, she becomes epileptic because of the pain
and everything from the RA and the depression, she starts
having massive seizures. So my mom goes from this healthy
person has incredible trauma andthen that begins to express

(27:26):
itself in her body. So for 40 years she's been on
SSRIs, she has been on 20 different RA medicines, all
injections, basically chemo. And then and then she's been on
opioids. And that's just her life for
3540 years. So.
She comes and visits and I starttalking to her about this.

(27:49):
I teach her how to make it. She now is 10 months off of
SSRIs, 10 months off of opioids,and seven months off of her RA
medicine. All she takes is her cannabis
all through tinctures and bombs.Life changing.
She's swimming again, she's doing water aerobics again.

(28:11):
She can walk her dog around the block.
She has quality of life. She has quality of life s s her
eyes are gone. She now when the depression
hits, what used to last for three or four weeks and
potentially be suicidal last three or four days.
All cannabis all through these tinctures.
So life changing, OK, life changing for her and my dad who

(28:33):
would never do cannabis. Multiple state presidencies,
multiple Bishop Rick's Bishop, like all of the Mormon stuff,
right? All of like he's an amazing
empathetic leader. He's not like a hard ass Mormon
leader. He's he's the one who gets
called the Bishop Rick or the state president because he he's
such a lover. Everybody loves him and he's a
lover and so I've met those. Right, we're just like you're

(28:54):
the. Good one.
I like that he's the. Kind of guy that go up to the
brand new couple in the ward andsaying hey, Jesse, hey,
Stephanie. And we're like, who the hell is
this guy? Yeah.
Exactly. You just feel the love.
Yeah, that's he just loves people.
That's awesome. And my dad, the reason that I.
Grew up in Carmel was because hewas going to go on the tour.
So pro golfer and very good at golf.

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And I've seen him, you know, at Pebble Beach and different
places, beat the actual pros there.
It's incredible. But when he actually, yeah, he
was on the amateur tour for a while and it actually came down
to it. Like it's just a hard life to be
travelling every single week. You're away from your family.
It just didn't work out for him.And so he became a contractor
and instead of instead of a pro golfer.
But for the last 10 years, he hasn't been able to golf because

(29:38):
he has crazy pain in his feet. Well, now with this ball, he's
golfing again. We golfed 3 times in the last
two weeks together. That's amazing.
It's amazing here. Or just.
Yeah. Here and then also.
In San Clemente in California. Cool.
Is he out? There or is he here now?
No, they're. Back east, they lived on a
remote island for seven years when they left the states to

(29:59):
help teach the Bahamians how to build like Pebble Beach level
homes. And so they were in the Bahamas
for a while and now they live back east.
But they're both, my parents areboth from Southern California,
like San Clemente area. And so we were down there for a
family thing. That's dope.
Yeah. So it's amazing to see my dad
golfing again and just be like, so, you know, and he'll try the
tinctures, but it's like, he's still a little bit hesitant on

(30:20):
that. Yeah.
Yeah. But also because, like, he just
doesn't need it as much either. But like, he is a missionary
about it because of my mom's recovery.
Oh, yeah. And especially coming up on it
on a year now. That's so cool.
So was it neuropathy or it wasn't neuropathy?
It it's so RA is, is like super intense arthritis.
It's autoimmune disorder. So your dad has this?

(30:42):
Too, No. My dad, yeah, with his feet, so.
It's not neuropathy. He doesn't know what it is.
I just don't know what it is. I have neuropathy, Brandon.
Made this bomb and I put it on my feet.
Yeah. The best night I've had in a
long time. It's amazing, right?
Yeah, and that's just topical. Yeah, it's not, it's there's no
psychoactive anything in it. It's just a topic.
Well, and and mine. Is literally I vaporize a lot of

(31:04):
flour. Yeah.
And so I have a ton of vaporizedflour that I'm like, I don't
know what to do with this. And I was like, wait, I
literally have all this stuff tomake this.
Why don't I just put it in? So I did that over the weekend
and I was like, here we go. And it works great.
Oh yeah, I've got. Arthritis in my knuckles.
Yeah, so. It's it's.
Family and it's just, and that'sthe thing too, like my dad, he's

(31:26):
in his 70s and I, he's like, no,no Jesse.
And then I want to. I cannot do that.
I get that. I get too high because I, I, I
helped him recover from alcoholism by using cannabis,
you know, did a 14 day detox in my house with him just checking
on his vitals and they were doping him up.
And I'm like, yeah, I understand.

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In order for you to get down, this is what has to happen.
I cut his meds, I titrated him down.
And then after that I was givinghim gummies every four hours.
I'm like, here you have this one, what's the dose?
Shut up and just put it in your mouth and by by about 16 days he
was good. And then I said here's a bag.

(32:08):
Here's the times you take it. He doesn't take it anymore, but
he doesn't drink anymore. And if he does have a drink,
it's not gonna drive him, you know, crazy.
Like, yeah, but he was on benzosand alcohol and, you know,
that's self-inflicted. I can't imagine what your mom
must have been feeling. Oh yeah.

(32:29):
Yeah. And then now it's.
Just like A and both of them, they probably have this, yeah.
I bet it. Sparked so many things for them,
travel, romance, everything where they can experience a good
life. I want to be old and still horny
for my wife. Yeah, for right and doing.
Shit, I don't want to be sittingthere.
Honey, Yeah, let's go, right? Yeah, I love that.

(32:51):
That that's such a cool thing and it's really changed, man.
That's, I'm glad to hear about your dad too, doing that
because, you know, ultimately it's, it's that normalization.
Like I, I went totally differentfrom Brandon.
I just dropped him in. I just started doing it around
him. You know, I have, I, I carry a
knife all the time because I'm weird, but I have blades just

(33:12):
sitting out, real sharp blades just sitting out.
My kids don't play with them. They're not toys.
I have gun. I have a shotgun beside my bed.
They don't touch it. It's not a toy.
Yeah. So I mean, I'm not worried about
them hurting. Exposure therapy. 100%.
You know, I, I went to the military and that really got
into me, you know, OJT, just, you don't know how to do it.

(33:34):
Yeah, let's get into it, right. And so now my kids, even my 10
year old, like he's just like, it doesn't bug him.
Yeah, at all. My my 18 year old, he's like,
Hey, dad, you know, are you going to lose your shit if I'm
using it around you? And I'm like, don't do it in the
house and find different ways. I'm like, I'm not going to tell

(33:55):
you you're an adult. You get caught, whatever.
That's your thing. But you know, you did the
coolest thing he said was he wasthat hanging with some friends
and he came home and he's like, hey, dad, I just want you to
know I passed up an opportunity to drink and I just lost a dear
friend of mine to alcoholism. And and I said, what are you

(34:17):
talking about? He goes, well, my buddies are
all like, let's go get some beers, let's get fucked up.
And he goes, Nah, it's cool. I'll just deal with weed.
You guys are cool. Yeah.
And he was like, I'll just be your DD.
That's great. Hung out with them.
Yep. And it's just like, you know,
I'm glad that my son's not goingto because my my family
bloodline has alcoholism throughout the same both sides

(34:40):
of my. Family, it's it's been
devastating to both sides of my family.
Absolutely a. Lot of really unnecessary Sara
Young deaths. And so to hear my son say that
because I got a brother who's analcoholic too, it just really
makes me feel like, you know, I'm doing something right where
most people back in the day would have been like, oh, you're

(35:02):
that one family in the neighborhood that lets the kids
drink at home as long as they know where they're at.
Like, that's not helping the situation.
Definitely not. Well, you, you guys had an
episode maybe a year ago where you really dove deep on your
teenagers and how to talk to your kids about cannabis.
And, you know, I'd probably listen to four or five episodes
before that. That was the episode that earned

(35:23):
my trust where I was like, OK, these guys aren't just stoners
getting stoned and talking bullshit.
And it's, and I, and I processedthat episode for quite a while
of how, how am I going to talk to my kids about this, right.
And so when my kid, you know, when, when my son talked, you
know, shared with me that he's he's smoked before and he's

(35:45):
experienced cannabis and, and, and NASA, he's like, I want to
do it with you, Dad, was that what got you?
Into cannabis? No, it wasn't.
I got into, well, let me finish this first and I'll tell you
when I first experienced it. So yeah, but that that episode
was really good for me because it reframed not just talking to
the kids. Like we have very open
conversations with my kids anyway, especially now.

(36:08):
But it was more of like, what's the important thing here?
Is the important thing that you smoke or don't smoke?
Or is the important thing the where's it coming from?
Where did you get it? Yes, right.
Like, hey, Dad, I smoked, smokedout.
Oh, where did you get that? What was it?
Do you know that it was clean? Yeah.
Yeah, that's. How we are like, yes.
Yes. Don't just take whatever.

(36:29):
You know that scares the hell out of me.
Like, yeah, at a party and everybody's passing it around
and I'm just like, but what is it?
Yeah, was it laced with something?
Is it just hot dog? Was it legacy?
Market did they go to another pharmacy or like where did they
go to pharmacy or? Just a corner smoke shop and I'm
like, is it? THCA is it like actual cannabis?
Like yeah, what is the lines here?

(36:50):
Are these loophole? Delta A stuff.
What is this? Yeah, gross.
And they don't know, right? They're.
Kids and you're like, are you going?
To into this horrible panic state because you're taking
something that is laced or yeah,something else that you're like,
yeah, not a clean experience here in Utah.
They have cush cubes, yeah. And I.
I. Am a big proponent against cush
cubes. My son was at school.

(37:12):
His buddy gave him one 250 milligrams.
What the crap? Didn't.
Tell him that's a thing my son he he gave him 250 milligram but
what it was back when they firstlaunched OK and like that's.
Insane dose. Of.
Anything like that? No, I wouldn't touch a Kush
cube. No, I wouldn't either.
He. Calls me from high school and
goes, dad, I need you to come get me.

(37:35):
And I said, did you do something?
He goes, I took something, said,all right, I'm on my way.
And I show up. I've got a teenager of CBD with
me. And I was like, let's get you
home. And he was pale.
And he's like, why am I shaking?And I was like, well, you took
something that's synthetic 1 andyou took a lot of it, too.

(37:55):
Yeah. So your body's not a lot of it.
A. Lot and and if his if he has a
virgin system and then all of a sudden you're pumping something
that even 25 milligrams would have put him in the stars 0100.
Percent X like. You that's and it's.
Scary delta 8 bullshit. So it's like this weird
synthetic yucky feeling. Know what it is?
But when you don't. Know what it is?

(38:16):
Yeah. And somebody gives you and says
this is what it is. That's why we have so many
people who frown on using cannabis again because somebody
goes here's an edible and didn'tteach them and then they have a
bad. Experience I have a friend who's
like my age, right, 46 years oldand and we were on a hike and he
he said I've only done cannabis once and it was a horrible

(38:37):
experience like I went psychotic.
I it was anxiety, I was seeing things people were chasing me.
I was terrified. Holy cow was.
That what did you take and he's.Like, yeah, I was a gummy.
I'm like, well, how many milligrams?
He's like, I don't know. My friend just gave it to me and
it was probably a 50 milligram gummy.
For your first time ever. I've never done it.
That like to do that for your first time is scary.

(39:00):
And it frustrates me. I.
Was in AI, was in a dispensary, Great dispensary.
I'm not going to say the name because I don't want to, you
know, it's a great dispensary. I'm in a dispensary.
I'm waiting in line and there's these two guys who walk up and
it was like, you know, a Bishop Rick, a high priest, guys like
they're like 6570 years old going to the, the, the
dispensary for the first time, right?
And so they go up and there's this Bud tender.

(39:20):
He's probably 25 years old and he's kind of lining them out of,
you know, what the different ways are.
And, and, and so I'm listening in like, just out of curiosity,
how would a bud tender help these guys who are getting into
it maybe for their first time? And so I'm listening and he
goes, you know, you guys probably just want to two
gummies. It's really easy.
OK. And so let me let me give you

(39:40):
these because they're the best bang for your buck.
Each gummy is 100 milligrams. Boom.
And I'm just like, I, you know, it's illegal to say anything in
a dispensary to someone else that's at the counter.
Yeah. I wanted so badly to just jump
over there and be like, no, no, no, do not do this.
Can I ask you are starting? To have a bad experience it was
in. Salt Lake, OK, yeah, I'm.

(40:01):
Terrible then. And I break that law all the
time because I will actually step in and go, oh, have you
tried this or. Oh, you probably shouldn't do
that. Yeah, like, I do that all the
time. Wow.
Because, OK, I'm not a bud tender.
I don't work there. Yeah, I don't feel like it's
illegal for me to make a recommendation go oh, here's
what I use. I was at a different.
Dispensary bringing a friend there for his first time and the
guy said you can't help not talk.

(40:22):
To your Yeah, that's right, you.Can't go in to help a.
Friend, no, you have to be purchasing separately because
they won't let you go in to helpthem.
Yes, exactly. So then you're just relying.
On this bud tender and and the bud they can't recommend.
Either according to the law, 'cause when we went to Bijan, he
was like, well, they can't recommend what they enjoy an
experience. They can just tell you maybe
what they use and then go, what are you looking for?

(40:44):
Yeah, yeah, for sure. And he?
Did say that he did say what areyou looking for?
And they're like, oh, this. And it's like, OK, great, try
this. And when he handed them 100
milligram gummies, that's I was so disappointed because these
guys are going to go have their potentially their first cannabis
experience. They're going to get high AF and
they're going to have a bad trip.
And they're going to be like, yeah, I don't like cannabis.
Didn't cannabis isn't, Yeah. You just lost.

(41:05):
Two people that you really need to convert, and every person
they. Talk to who is like, oh, don't
worry, I've tried cannabis. It's horrible.
It's horrible. It makes you feel this way.
It makes you would never want totry it.
I ate a. Lot like.
All I had was one guy watched radiator.
Movie. Yeah, even touch my pee pee.
Whoa. Whoa now.

(41:26):
Now we're going into psychedelics, my friends, right?
OK, so. It's along those lines.
One of my favorite experiences was so started with cannabis,
right? The Gateway.
Yeah. And now my mom is active and
she's healthier and she's happier and she's still has the
same issues, Right? Rheumatoid arthritis, Yeah, but

(41:47):
she can exist. But she can exist in a.
Positive way, everybody sees it around her outside the pain.
Outside I've got uncles and aunts calling me.
Going whatever you're doing to teach her how to do this stuff,
like thank you. And so, and so then my dad
starts taking note and then he starts taking the bomb.
Now he's golfing and walking andhiking and doing things in the
middle of doing a decade. So I start talking to my mom

(42:10):
about her depression and about how psilocybin can be very
beneficial, right? And psychedelics in general.
And so I, you know, I had, I hadshared with him my journey from
in, in psychedelics. The first thing I ever did was
ketamine. I did 4 sessions of ketamine and
it's very heavy. Like I'm huge proponent
proponent of ketamine in a therapeutic setting, but we're

(42:30):
talking 50 milligrams up to 100 milligrams.
So 100 milligrams of ketamine isabout 9 to 10 grams of mushroom.
Oh wow, a massive. Heroic dose.
Wow, double heroic. I've only done like. 6 and that
was a good enough dose, but I'vedone a lot.
Ketamine I did 150, you did 150.Yeah.
How was that? It was amazing.
Oh. Was it?

(42:50):
It was. Great.
OK. I the best way I describe it is
that I've got I was looking through the lens of dimension in
front of me, like I was looking through old tiny glass.
Interesting. Think it was crazy.
And it was great because at the end it was like getting off of
roller coaster. It's like, OK, done, here we go.
Little nauseous. We'll smoke some weed but bring

(43:11):
it back to ground, but it. The.
Best part was the next day something left.
Yeah, I created. A new neural.
Pathway. Yep, the glutamate was now being
able to form long term memories and not get stuck on that thing,
whatever it was. But I just said something's
gone, I don't know what it is and I don't want to back and.
It is, but it. It is exactly that.

(43:32):
It's something to be psilocybin too.
For Brandon and I, We, we, we respect it.
We have a friend. He would be like showing up with
powdered mushroom. You guys want to do It's like 12
in the afternoon like randomly? All the time.
Like, no, I'm not. We're planning on.
Our next trip and when we're like carving out a day, I'm
going to call off work and we'regoing to set the, you know, set

(43:55):
and setting and we're going to discuss.
We're gonna have a good time with discussion and we're gonna
grow. You know it's this.
Beautiful thing that I learned in my first conversation with
Bo, he does what he calls healing hikes and he actually
goes out with a buddy and they will take some mushrooms and go
on this beautiful hike. He says like 3 miles or

(44:15):
something in a loop out in the mountains.
And I was like that actually it it's like microdose hikes.
That's like my favorite thing and it's very microdose, like a.
3rd, it's 1/3 of a gram of mushroom and it is always, it's
people who've never done psilocybin or any kind of
psychedelic ever. So first, first experience.
And it's such a low dose that for the first 20-30 minutes

(44:38):
there's nothing, right? And that's great.
And I always tell them, expect to feel nothing.
You'll probably feel nothing. That's what I tell them.
And then about 30 minutes in, they'll just like pause for a
minute and they're like, hold on, can we just stop for a
minute? Like, yeah, of course.
I like it's so beautiful. I'm like, what's so beautiful?
Everything, every brighter, the colors, the Hummels, the the

(45:04):
plants present. You are truly.
There instead of in your head and everywhere else totally.
And I think that's what I love. About it is it brings me from
all of the like whirlwind of shit in my mind into nature, and
that's why I love to go in it because it's like hey takes you
from everywhere here to like suddenly and you're like that's.

(45:26):
What I love about well Brandon used to make these 10th Graham
you know capsules and you know give me a bunch of them and I
would anytime I go camping yeah it's 2A day Oh yeah, first thing
in the morning and then right after lunch and I just want to
keep writing this because it's exactly that right.
You get these beautiful moments,but you know, I don't want to go

(45:48):
back and I totally cannabis thatYour mom.
Yeah. Oh yeah, yeah.
So she did ketamine also she did4 rounds of ketamine, had some
pretty powerful experiences. Also some very dark experiences
in there. Did she start with ketamine?
She started with ketamine. Yeah.
And then and then I had started working with some guides here in
Salt Lake in psilocybin, in mushroom and it's ceremonial and

(46:10):
it's music and it's, they had lived in Peru.
They went to Peru and stayed there for a while working with a
shaman to learn how to do it. The you know, the indigenous
appropriate cacao incorporated. Into that ceremony, so they have
a cacao. Mushroom tea, OK, right there
you can get afterward, but in the ceremony itself, it's it's
pure psilocybin from mushroom made into a tea.
And then all of the smudging andsaging and, and hoppe and, and

(46:33):
you know, the more ceremony way of doing it.
And so I did that and it was a great experience.
And then my mom did it and they allowed me to be there with them
to help guide my mom, which was such an amazing bonding
experience. And so my dad began to see the
changes that were happening in my mom from plant medicine.
And so it took about a year. And one time we were talking, he

(46:55):
said, hey, I've been thinking about it.
Would you guide me with a mushroom journey?
And I was like, dad, like that would be one of the greatest
privileges of my life. And so both my parents, we went
down to our place in Moab. We were all by ourselves, phones
off and and I helped guide them through their first journey.

(47:15):
It was just a micro was 1 gram 1g's my favorite.
That is like hero dose is great for therapy.
A 1G on an afternoon, phones off.
It is my favorite. And so and so they did a 1G and
then they stayed there for two months and they did 1G every
Thursday for seven weeks. Oh, that's amazing.
And on the 7th. Week I went back down and stayed

(47:38):
with them and did it with them and we, you know, we sat in I
got like a, a ritual that I do as I'm guiding someone in and we
did the ritual. It's all beautiful.
Everybody then split off and kind of took some solo time and
then we all came back together at about 3 hours in and we had.
So we're sitting in the living room and we started talking

(47:58):
about what this journey in particular.
So it was their 7th week in a row in particular, what happened
And all of us had gone to a really heavy place in this
journey separately. And that energy was then brought
into the living room setting similar to this.
And I took my phone and I hit record and I just sent my phone
down to voice record this conversation.

(48:19):
We talked for three hours and what it was was it had taken us
back to that place from 1986 to 1990 or so, this 4-5 year period
of time where my brother had died while he was in the
hospital. I was molested by a volunteer
who was supposed to be my like Big Brother take care of me

(48:40):
person. So that was like, that fucked me
up. I'm seven years old.
That changes everything. And so that happened to me.
My brother dies six months later, my parents, my dad's
called his Bishop, my mom's doing the book.
It was just a very intense period of time for about 3-4,
five years. And the medicine took each of us
separately back into the thickness.

(49:01):
It was like we were in a molasses, right?
Just this thick, thick, heavy, heavy, dark place to feel that.
And then we came together and wewere able to talk about what
that five year period of time was like for each of us.
And I recorded all of it. OK, I'm in meditation.
About a week later, my parents have gone home and the idea came

(49:24):
to me. Take the recording, this three
hour recording, and run it through AI and let's start
giving it some prompts to directthe outputs.
So I did a bunch of different outputs.
And then I had the idea of what if that conversation had
happened and my brother Ben, whohad died of AIDS, had been a
family on the wall, What would he have heard?

(49:45):
And how would he respond to the three of us sitting there having
this three hour conversation about him and about our
experience during that period oftime?
And it wrote a three page letterto my parents and to me talking
about from a first person experience or first person view
of my brother Ben, how he sees us through that experience and

(50:06):
what we meant to him during thatexperience and what we mean to
him now as we're 40 years later from that experience.
And it was just one of the most beautiful, beautiful things
because yes, of course it's AI. And I, I sent the letter to my
family and I disclaimed like, hey, this is AI.
This is not them. But.
Somehow because of the three hours of input, yeah.

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He knew. And the and the AI voice knew it
was like, it was so much talkinglike him, like this 9 year old
boy who was way wiser than his years.
And and if he had been in the room, if he had been a family on
the wall, how would he talk to us to help us heal while we were
in the medicine? And it just, it was so

(50:53):
beautiful. Yeah, probably.
This insanely healing journey for the whole family to go
through that together, Yeah, forsure is.
It was beautiful and it was justa micro is 1G.
But tying us, you know, allowingthat subconscious to overtake or
or at least to come up to our consciousness and then do that
together and and experience thatenergy together and to unlock

(51:14):
conversations that we've literally never had or been able
to have. Yeah.
It was just, it was one of the. Greatest spiritual experiences
of my life, Jack is that. Conversation otherwise is
probably way too heavy to have in a normal state.
Like no one wants to go there. Yeah, so were you.
Experiencing plant medicine while you were in the church?
Yeah, I was. Was there?

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Any fear that typically comes with a lot of LDS people?
I feel that LDS people are very.And I don't mean this in.
The wrong way for listeners. It's like how I I knew my my
Catholic friends in the Navy, they were really fearful only on

(51:57):
like Saturdays when they go to Mass.
Yeah. Everywhere else they're like.
I don't fucking. Care, do whatever I want.
All right, but it was just like.Mormons have this hardcore
feeling of guilt that is given to them by birth, yes.
Yeah, so, and there's a few scriptures, there's a few pieces
of the doctrine that are inescapable.

(52:18):
OK, so you've got Messiah three,18319.
The natural man is an enemy to God.
Yeah, it's in our doctrine. There's no way to escape the
idea that we are separated from God, that we are enemies to God,
and that at our core we are unworthy.
Yeah, at our core, We need You will never be good.

(52:40):
Enough. You'll never be good on your
own. Yeah.
Which then becomes a hamster. Wheel, right, Because you can't
get off that wheel. But it's really a treadmill.
You're not going anywhere. You just have to go harder and
harder and harder to try to become worthy of that love.
Love, Yeah. Yeah.
Conditional. Love yeah, 100%.
And and they actually. President Nelson did a talk in

(53:01):
2011 called Divine Love where hereframed that there's no such
thing as unconditional love. It's.
Divine Love In order to receive Divine Love, you have to keep
the You have to meet the. Conditions.
Yeah. So Divine Love is 100%
conditional, 100% it has to. Be well, and that's why it's

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bred. Within these families, I mean,
like, you know, Brandon's parents, I know both of them
very wonderful people. They're loving, they're
compassionate now. But while they were growing up,
they learned by from sociopaths who are just like, we're on this
treadmill and as long as our treadmills in front of everybody

(53:42):
else's treadmill, we're OK. So let's show everybody what we
do. And I, you know, I know
Brandon's parents loved him, butwhen I hear the stories, I hear
of you're not good enough anyways.
Totally. So.
You're not trying hard enough. And it's it's it's.
Sad to hear that, yeah. It really is.

(54:05):
And so I think that that's whereplant medicine can come in and
begin to recalibrate some of that, because I really struggled
with that. There's this thing called
scrupulosity, which is religiousOCD, and it's the, the absolute
need to do more, be more. You're never good enough, you're
never worthy. You're, you could be more
worthy. And so you become what's called

(54:26):
scrupulous, where it's like every single detail I have to
confess of every single thing, whether that's in my prayers or
to my Bishop or to my parents orto, you know, my wife, whatever.
And I was, I suffered from scrupulosity to such a point
that it was like neurotic. But also what that did is it
helped me do all of the things so that I could climb the ladder

(54:47):
very, very quickly. And I did.
And so once I started to deconstruct once through plant
medicine, through my wife reallytaking the lead on that, once I
began to to deconstruct, what became things that were already
in my life began to began to my perspective of those things
began to change. So Go toward the light was the

(55:09):
name of the book that my mom wrote.
OK. And that became the reason that
it's called go toward the light is the last thing that she said
is Ben was dying in her arms andshe just said Ben, go toward the
light. And that became a family motto
for us. So when we had big decisions to
make in life, go toward the light.
What's the light? OK, but the light was always an
outside source. It was a prophet, it was God, It

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was apparent. It was a Bishop.
It was a young man's leader. It was never inside.
And so as I began to discover myinner light and moving toward my
internal compass versus an external compass, I, I wrote
some messages on my body so thatI would never forget.
And I'll show them to you. So this here is my first tattoo.

(55:54):
I call it Go toward the light. Oh, that's awesome.
From. The journey of into a dark cave,
right into a dark stairwell. And so it takes effort to go up,
up steps. OK, yeah, gravity.
But as you go up those steps, you go toward the light.
And the light doesn't face external.
It's not an external light. It's an internal light.

(56:16):
And the geometry goes perfectly straight into my internal light,
into my heart. That's cool.
And so it's really. Important to me to always
remember that the light. Yes, of course we can be
inspired by others. That's not what I'm saying at
all. Of course.
Right. And that could be a prophet or
it could be a a spiritual leaderor it could be, you know, a
friend. Absolutely.

(56:37):
All of that can be wonderful. But at the end of the day, all
that's going to matter is my owninternal light and, and how that
directs me. Yeah, So then this is kind of
from my mom and go to the light and on my, you know, on my
family of origin. And then on the oiler side, on
my dad's side. He grew up in a glass house in
the desert by one of the most famous architects ever.

(56:58):
His name's Richard Neutra and he's the father of mid century
modern architecture, which you guys have a lot of here in, in
Orem and Provo. So mid century modern orchestra
is like flat roof, lots of glass.
I, I, I was. Imagining with that, Yeah, yeah,
yeah. That's mid century modern.
Architecture so this is the guy who literally like invented mid
century and so he's on the coverof of Time magazine in the 1950s

(57:20):
and my grandpa writes him a letter, a handwritten letter and
he's like I'm Richard Euler, I'ma nobody.
You're Richard Neutra. You're amazing.
I would love for you to design ahouse for me to raise my 6 kids
in. And so Richard Neuter writes a
letter back and he's in because my grandpa had included photos
of the property on a place called Lone Pine, CA, which is

(57:41):
out in the eastern Sierras, right at the foothills of Mount
Whitney, right, tallest peak in the continental US.
So it's a pretty magnificent place, but it is out there.
I mean, there is very little outthere.
And so he he sends a picture. He's.
And Richard Neuter writes back, he says, I will be in your
property on this day at this time.
Meet me there. So he just walks the property
and he has this spiritual experience where everything's

(58:02):
just quiet and everything's verysimple.
And he turns to my grandpa and he goes, I'll do it.
So he designs him a house that'sjust a glass house in the
desert. So now it's kind of a famous
piece. Yeah.
And so I've actually seen. This house, yeah, that's.
Fucking crazy. It's, it's crazy.
So that's the house my dad grew up in.
Oh my gosh. That's so cool.

(58:24):
It's so amazing. I mean.
It's just we're gonna put a picture.
Up on, yeah, you'll see it, right?
Here, well, there's a documentary.
Called Richard Neutra, the Oilerhouse, Richard Neutra's desert
retreat. OK.
And in the documentary my grandpa's before he died.
So it's like, it's such a beautiful piece for us.
Yeah. As a family.
Yeah. So.
The camera. Picture of my grandpa on the
corner right and the camera is is pushing out from the living

(58:48):
room out to these 100 foot tall boulders that are in the
backyard. And the documentarian Mike
Dorsey, who's my cousin and he'sjust an amazing documentarian.
He has tons of documentaries outthere and I heard that name
he's. Great.
Like. Super, super talented.
So the camera's pushing out fromthe living room into the
backyard off the back porch, andhe asked my grandpa, why the

(59:11):
space? Like, why here?
And he goes as the camera's pushing out, he goes out here.
You can see everything clearly as it really is.
And then the music comes in and it's just like, perfect.
And so on this. Side I tattooed the screenshot
of that exact moment so you can see the soffit from the house

(59:33):
right here. So this is where the sliders
open there's sliding doors, glass lighting doors and the
other side and the camera's panning out and these are the
rocks. This is the exact view, the
sage, the rocks, the sky outsideof the Lone Pine house.
And so the message that I wantedto remember when I doubt, when I
go back into scrupulosity, when I navigate my own spirituality,

(59:55):
is that go toward the light, theinternal light, so that I can
see things clearly. That's awesome.
And that has changed. Everything for me as I navigate
that's. Beautiful who I am and what I.
Do and how do I serve the world so.
In this service, I mean you havehelped your mom, you've created

(01:00:16):
a formula for these amazing liketinctures and stuff.
You gave us this beautiful gift of tinctures and balm that are
all Bow's beautiful creations. In this fantastic case here,
this is where the designer Bow. Comes in just give you a bunch
of bottles. So what?
Is tell us where designer Bow isgoing on his journey now at this

(01:00:36):
moment with these amazing creations?
Really, this was just for me. That was just meant to be for
me. And then I taught my mom how to
do it and she starts taking it and my dad and like, and then
uncles and aunts and friends andand even some friends that are
like very big name celebrity friends that I won't mention
just because, yeah, no, no worries.
But that's kind of the. World that I work in like I was

(01:00:57):
the design our design studio is the design studio behind like
Mr. Beast and who else Mark Rober and yeah you're.
Saying, you know all these stuffthat you did.
And I worked with Tom Segura and.
Bert Kreischer and all these really, you know, interesting
creators, all these interesting people.
And and so I create the brands and the product with my studio
that they launch, OK. And so are you still doing that

(01:01:18):
at all? I am, yeah.
So I. Actually sold my studio five
years ago and then I stepped away about a year ago, a little
over a year ago. OK.
But I'll get into it if if we want to go there, yeah.
Yeah. And so this you're.
Supposed to be just for me is like I need this medicine for my
arthritis from my hemophilia. I need to be able to sleep at
night. I need to be able to handle my
anxiety without going into SSRIs.

(01:01:40):
Like there were these personal needs.
And so I started forming, emulating this stuff.
So I'm, I'm visiting with a friend that I grew up with in
Monterey who happens to live in my neighborhood in Salt Lake
now. And I and he doesn't do
cannabis, like not into it. And I'm telling him about it and
he's just like, well, my good friend owns Pure Plan.
And I'm like, you mean like, I know Pure Plan.

(01:02:02):
I've used their flower to make my tinctures.
They're like the high end one. And he's like, yeah, that's pure
plan. They're like one of the biggest
here in Utah. Do you want to meet him?
And I'm like, sure. So I meet one of the founders
and. And I show him what I'm doing.
And his mind is just like, he's just like, you built this all
like you. What?
Yeah. And at this point I.

(01:02:23):
Had I had made, you know, maybe 15 strains and, and so and so
he's just like, well, what do you want to do with it?
I'm like, I'm, I'm doing what I want to do with it.
I'm helping people heal. And and he's like, would you
sell it? And I'm like, no, I've never
sold a single dollar of this stuff because it's not a dealer.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so and so he's just like,

(01:02:46):
well, we have to have this product.
Like this product needs to existin the dispensaries.
People will heal from this. And, and my whole thing with it
is like, we have a Mormon population or an age population,
whatever the barrier is that arenever going to smoke.
And that's OK 'cause I personally don't think smoking
is, is the answer for everybody.No, it's not.
And so, and so I'm like, gosh, that's true.

(01:03:09):
And at the same time, the churchhad changed their handbook where
they allow cannabis now, as longas you have a Med card, as long
as you're following the prescription, which let's face
it, is whatever you want it to be.
And as long as you're not smoking, they say like last
resort, don't smoke, do do otherstuff.
So it's perfect timing for this.And so the pure plan team's
like, well, let us come back to you with an offer.

(01:03:31):
And so we met up about a month later and we struck a deal and
I'm helping them formulate all of these non smokable products
that are going to launch that may exist other places in
California, Arizona, whatever that don't exist here in Utah
yet. And so we're formulating all
that. So it's not just tinctures and
bombs, it's other stuff too. That's amazing.

(01:03:51):
That's. Super cool.
There is no such thing in all 50states of a strain specific
tincture. And this is what makes mine
unique. So tinctures today for the most
part are you take a, a distillate or whatever's
leftover. I mean, it's literally sweep the
floor and all of the shit that'sleftover gets decarbed and gets
processed and you put it into oil or alcohol or whatever the

(01:04:14):
carrier is. It's the bottom of the barrel.
It's the bottom of the barrel. And so I had tried tinctures and
I was like, like, it didn't really work for me.
And so when I began my cannabis journey, I'd start smoking
because that's, that's what you do, right?
Like that's, that's kind of all I knew because the gummies
didn't, I didn't really care forgummies very much.
And it seemed my experience was like, it's kind of unreliable.
Like sometimes it hit really heavy and sometimes it didn't

(01:04:35):
hit at all. Like, I want something
consistent. And then so as I tried more and
more strains, I tried about 50 different strains.
OK. So when I go in on something, I
go in. I was all in, Yeah.
And so I. Tried about 50 strains over, I
don't know like a three, four month period of time.
That's a solid amount. And I was I.
Took my scrupulosity, right? I took that same mechanism

(01:04:56):
that's in my brain and copious notes, I mean every detail of
every strain. How much did I take?
When did I take it? What was my bioavailability
based on XY and Z and how did itmake me feel?
Did it help with my arthritis? Did it help with energy?
Did it help with depression? Did it help with sleep?
Like what did it do for me? And so I cataloged about 50
different strains. And often times I would only

(01:05:18):
take that strain 11 time, right?Just to try it and see if if
this worked for me. And then I took the top five
strains that really worked well for me.
And that's what I started thinking, like, how could I
create something that doesn't exist today that would be a
better vehicle for me. And I started watching all these
YouTube videos of doctors in Canada who make medical grade

(01:05:39):
tincture. So what they do is they take
flour, so it's strain specific, they decarb and then they infuse
it, and then they'll add isolates of massive amounts of
CBD and CBG. And I'm like, that's amazing,
where can I get it? So I start shopping all these
other states that it doesn't exist.
Everything's done through distillates.
It's bottom of the barrel. And so I bought some machine

(01:06:00):
machinery and lab equipment out of this company in Hong Kong.
And I just started making it formyself and trial and erroring,
you know, so that I can make this medicine.
And so to, to date, I, I asked my my bot here how many
different formulations I've madenow and I'll read you the list

(01:06:21):
of, of what tinctures I've made so far.
So OG kush, jacka rare, gorilla glue, Girl Scout, Girl Scout
cookies, green crack, chem dog, Maui wowie, San Fernando Valley,
OG papaya, magic Oreos, blueberry muffin, grease monkey,
diesel, poison, dream haze, super booth cherry, modified
grapes, G code cami Jones, roasted lemons, Blackwater.

(01:06:45):
I'm starting to play around someTHCV, which is interesting.
SG Remune J1 and Headman Zuki. So I've made 25 or so different
like tincture, you know, And then what I do is I take the
flour, I decarb it and then I use the machine, which is
essentially essential oil. It's it's to make essential oils
and I make an essential, an edible essential oil with this

(01:07:08):
organic C8 MCT. So C8C9 are generally the MCTS
that are used as carriers. If you can get AC-8 only, it has
the greatest bioavailability. What's the difference between?
AC-8 versus AC-9 MCT oil. I'm not sure exactly the.
Or how do you the difference so you?
Can buy. Either one and there's also like
AC 10 so you can buy and it's essentially grades of it right

(01:07:31):
and the C8 has the best bio availability.
So it took me a little bit of time to to find a source that
could sell me only the C8. Yeah.
And it's. Like 5.
Times the price. Oh wow, Yeah, it's super.
Expensive. It's like.
One jar is like 120 bucks. Yeah, so pretty expensive stuff.
And I noticed the difference between the blend MCT T oils of
the CAC and IC 10 to the C eights only with

(01:07:52):
bioavailability. So I switched over to just the C
eights and it's so so the pure plan team, you know, gets a hold
of this and they're just like, what do we do?
And I just gave us some thought and I'm like, OK, I had already
stepped away from my businesses.I didn't want to jump into a
partnership or I didn't want to jump into like a full time job.
But at the same time, I'm like, gosh, if this could help people

(01:08:15):
who would never even think aboutcannabis get into cannabis and
begin to be healed by these plants, I'm all in.
And so and so and they're such great guys too.
Like that was part of it is theywere kind of irresistible, like
they're just really good people.And the found the Co founders
are LDS, like still active LDS. And so we really connected on
that. And then the their son who runs

(01:08:36):
the business, super smart in hisformulations and, and then the
business side of it, like ran like a really good business.
And so I just liked the team. And so I got my cannabis agent
card so that I can work in the cannabis industry.
Got went through all the education and certified and
everything and, and then went into their lab and they bought
all the equipment that we need in order to start making these

(01:08:58):
specific to how I'm making them.And So what I do is I'll decarb
the flour or now I have access to all of their materials.
So I'll use like a live rosin orsomething like that, but it's
single source, single strain. OK, so you take we're going to
launch with G code, which is an amazing night time.
It's a it's a kush derivative that is like super calming but

(01:09:18):
super sleepy. I mean, you are toast.
Yeah, that's the one I've been. Using it's next to my bed every
night. Yeah.
What? Do you think it's fantastic?
I. Think I sleep better?
I sleep like garbage always. Yeah.
I don't stay asleep long. I rotate like a rotisserie
chicken throughout the night like I slept the other tertiary
chicken. Sounds good.
Right, right. But I.

(01:09:40):
Slept. My daughter has no school for a
fall break. It was like 840.
Wow. I woke up 840 and I was like
shit shit. What?
That's awesome. It's surprising.
I. Never sleep like.
That you know I I gotta. Say when Brandon goes, hey,
we're gonna have my, he's got these tinctures.
I'm like, cool, whatever. Yeah, By the way, that's how
everybody. Responds yeah there's like yeah
we've tried tinctures yeah and then they try mine and they're

(01:10:02):
like we need an exclusivity on this Well the it's because the
only. Teachers I trust is Brandons.
Like if Brandon makes me a teacher I trust.
But it tastes. Nothing like that.
That was so. Clean, but I will tell you like
the the Jack. So I'm a big sativa user.
I don't. I mean, I'm in the insurance

(01:10:22):
world and I absolutely love it, Yeah.
I'd. Never thought I would.
Enjoy something like this. But it's cool because when
people are bitching about like, yeah, my healthcare plan is
like, no, that's your boss. Your boss fucked you.
There's other ways to find a really good way to so you guys
get what you want and they can get what they want.
Yeah. So that's why I enjoy it.

(01:10:44):
But well, and it's going to giveyou the.
Mental clarity like Jack is a great strain for mental clarity
so 100%. Your mind.
Is focused like I I'll take a Jack before I do like a contract
or something. I might have to sit down and
write a contract out for three hours.
Yeah, yeah, I'll take. A.
A. Dropper of the Jack or a dropper
of green crack or something that's like very focused and Oh
my gosh, like there was this oneday I'm writing a contract.

(01:11:05):
My wife comes up behind me and like rubs my shoulder.
She's like, I don't think I've ever seen you concentrate this
long. And I'm like, I don't think I
have dude. I I will say.
If you that's fantastic, I will.Forget this.
Because of the cannabis, but notalways.
But if they ever get Tropicana cherries here, yeah.
Yeah, bro. Yeah, that.
Is next level OK, I we got some and California.

(01:11:28):
California. Yeah, it.
Was weird years ago. And I.
Smoked that, yeah. And I.
Wrote an entire SO P for this company I was consulting with.
And. I thought it was hours.
Yeah, it was an hour. So I go outside and I'm like, I
got to keep writing more. I'm in the and I smoke enough

(01:11:50):
not thinking about it. And it had so much karyophylline
in it that I couldn't breathe out of my nose.
I was like. Oh no.
I can't breathe and I'm like stupid.
Put him in a weird. State after that you could talk
and I'm like. It tipped over.
Oh my gosh. And I was like, that's amazing.
And it's it's exactly that like the Jack, I took a full dose

(01:12:12):
while I was at my office. I was just like, I'll go out and
I'll do a quick dab and I'll come back in, but I want
something to last throughout andwhen I did that I was like I
felt it in my jaw, just like I always do with Jack Yes, because
it. Is Jack.
It is like that's. That was so cool.
It's so cool like that and. That's where every single strain
I would smoke 1st and then I would take my tincture and the

(01:12:33):
goal was I want the same experience.
So what's Green Crack? Feel like too so it's a green
crack straight so I. Just made green crack last week
so I'm still. So what I do is I, I make it and
then I, I have a little testing kit so I can understand like the
THCCBDCBG that I put in. So I, I make the flower first,
which gives you know, the full spectrum 140 cannabinoids or
whatever, right? And in each one.

(01:12:54):
And then I have I partnered witha company called Red Mesa who's
out of Saint George and they have 99.9% pure isolate.
So then. I add.
CBG and CBD to very specific levels per bottle.
So like the green crack for example, it's about a 15
milligrams of THC per dropper and then that one I formulated

(01:13:18):
to be 50 milligrams of CBD, it'slike 48.9 and then 25 milligrams
of CBG. So you're getting the calming
right, but in a euphoric way from the CBG, but mental clarity
from the green crack and someone's great because it's
super energizing. Oh, yeah.
And when I test it, I'll start with 1/4 dropper, then 1/2, then
a full. It's only three days old.

(01:13:40):
So I I did the quarter and then I did a half and then this
morning I did Maui Wowi because I wanted to know exactly, like
I'm very familiar with Maui Wowi's effects on me.
Yeah. And so as I did that this
morning versus the green crack, but it's great.
It's great. That sounds really good.
Yeah. That's very, it's like AI love
green, you know, it's done. Bruce Banner.
I have not yet. Bruce Banner is amazing.
It's a, it's a Steven. It's a Steven.

(01:14:01):
Oh yeah. Yeah, yeah.
I I don't have. I done Bruce Banner.
No, it was before. I got you into it.
Yeah, it was. Brandon got me into over 10
years ago schools. Like these two, I think that's
what I found in. I'm not looking to come back.
So much yes, I know and it. And it's really hard.
So I've, I've, I've had tours ofthe wholesome grow of dragonfly
grow of forest grow of the like.I've I've been able to go to all

(01:14:23):
these different grows now and I'll ask them like, why, why?
Why can't I get OG Kush? Why can't I get like the Ogs
here in Utah? And they're like, people don't
buy him. Yeah, people don't buy him.
Yeah, we had Bijan. On and he's like literally it's
it's a really messed up game of of a tug of war yeah, because

(01:14:44):
it's it's super 1 sided and you don't know if they're it's like
they got a divider in front of their here's the cannabis
company and they're like, oh OK,this is what you want.
And then they don't know there'slike this £300 brute and the
other side he's like, no, we want the candy strains.
Yeah, we want all the whatever'spopular.
Yep, which some of the popular ones are good like super booth

(01:15:04):
and super booth Cherry is very popular.
I did like, I love. Super Booth.
It was great. It was my favorite strain of
2024. Yeah.
Cougar piss. Knock that shit out of the park.
Oh, really? Oh yeah.
Oh my God. Buzz.
Oh my God, such a happy, such a like.
Well, that's what I like, Super.Booth, it's a very giggly happy,
like you're not euphoric in the stars, you're just it's like

(01:15:26):
really stoked cougar piss. Happiest.
Yeah, you. Go back and listen to our
episode of Cougar Piss and we are just having the time of our
life. That's awesome.
We're. Doing great, but.
It's good because it it's the amount of dose is where it takes
you. If you just do a quick vaporized
bowl, it's energizing you. Yeah, let's go have a good time.

(01:15:48):
If you do another one, you're like, let's go have a good time.
Because we did We. Laughter we we just used the
volcano the whole time and we just had that one bowl and we
just roasted that thing till it was just nothing.
I mean, it looked like coffee ground by the end of it and.
It was so. Great, like we were in the best
mood for hours and it's a flower.

(01:16:11):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's and low.
THC too, which I love. Yes I love the low THC strains.
I hate the Super. Heady magic magic.
Which is Oh yeah, I love magic. Yeah.
Helps with my like. 1415%. THC yeah, yeah, fantastic high.
CBG. Yeah, a lot of.
The ones that we were finding that were our favorites were

(01:16:32):
like probably 19 to 23% THC and surprisingly like 4 or 5% CBG.
Yeah, it's like, holy shit, yeah, they're amazing,
fantastic. But the consumer?
Has no idea, they just go well what's the strongest you got or
that's? Like, that's your cheapest stuff
right now, You know, it's like over.
Yeah, the liquor store would. Be empty of Everclear if that's

(01:16:55):
how it went, right? What's the strongest shit you
got? That's a really good.
Point. I've never drawn the parallel to
alcohol because you're right. Nobody who's buying Everclear?
Gross people who make jungle. Juice and hate themselves or
they're making teachers. Sad situations or.
Tinctures which I have made an alcohol based tincture and that
didn't like the effects of it. I did like taking it so I don't

(01:17:16):
do. Alcohol tinctures but I do
alcohol. I have bought Everclear 4 just
specifically that, but I'll use it to infuse into sugar because
if you put the alcohol in it, just stir it every couple hours
or so, that alcohol burns off and all you're left with is
infused sugar. That's it.
So that's what I do. When I infuse sugars and then
I'm like cool, this is my dose when we do parties and I'm like

(01:17:39):
cool, we're going to do an infused thing.
Well, this quarter teaspoon is 5milligrams or you know, whatever
it is, don't do more than that unless you you know, but it's
way easy to it's way easy and. So here's another thing that I,
I think after testing all these strains, the low THC and then
the low, so bioavailability of aMCT based tincture is about 33%.

(01:18:02):
So, so like my 15 milligrams, you're really getting like 5 OK,
that's crazy. And that can hit better because
it hits longer. So mine are like a like a really
smooth on board where when I smoke it's just like whoa, it
just hits me in the head. This is a super smooth on board
and then I'm up for like 3 hoursand then a super smooth down.

(01:18:23):
So then you can just be. Able to titrate yourself
throughout the day because you're just like, OK, I know at
this time you could even set alarms for that one to maintain
that. So that's what my mom does.
When that depression starts coming back in or when she has
an RA flare up, which she's having right now is on the phone
with her driving down from SLC and and that's what she does.
So she'll get on a regimen of every three hours she's going to

(01:18:44):
take. Like this morning she took her
her J1 OK, and she'll take that for like 9 hours.
So three different doses. And then as soon as and then
after the 9 hours, she was goingto switch over to Oreos and then
do Oreos in the afternoon and then G code tonight.
And she'll do that for like 2 days and her RA will flare up,
which would have lasted 5 or 6 weeks.

(01:19:05):
Oh wow, we'll be. Done.
Within two to three days. Yeah, that's pretty cool.
Well, 'cause you and it's. Probably managed at a much more
manageable state. Even within that and you can
function without feeling or snowed or anything but the CB2
receptors. And the CB1 receptors are being
flooded with that one. So it's helping with that
inflammation to calm down the system.

(01:19:26):
That's exactly right. So.
Hers I make special doses for her well to 100 milligrams of
CBD in one ML1 dropper so the. Equivalent is it's like when
your wife wants to tell you whatwhat problems she's happening,
you just shut up and just go with the flow because you can't.
You can't. I mean, honestly, like just
thinking about that, what makes things worse?

(01:19:49):
Calm down. Right.
So that's what we're. Doing we use medicines like
codeine or fentanyl and they just go here, calm down, calm
down. And that's what.
She used to take. So I asked her, I said if you
didn't have your tinctures that that you make, what would you
have taken with this flare up? And she said, well, it's just
always hydrocodone. Like I had unlimited resources

(01:20:10):
of hydrocodone. Yeah, that's serious shit.
Oh, it'll. Yeah, that's not.
Great, that messes. With you dude, I haven't taken
a. Pill it probably ever since you
got me into cannabis like I've never taken like I'll take like
Tylenol maybe if I have a bad headache it doesn't go away.
Yeah right. Or I got my eye.
Well, now I don't take the ibuprofen.

(01:20:31):
I just put the balm on, yeah, but it it really is just total
game changer, total game changer.
So I, I have my own experience and journey with, with opioids
because hemophilia, you have severe pain when you're
bleeding, mostly internal bleeding.
OK, so joints and then every once in a while in a different
organ or different parts of yourbody.

(01:20:51):
So if people think of hemophilialike, oh, you, if you get cut,
you'll bleed out. True, That is true.
Like my blood cannot stop bleeding.
But how often do you really get cut?
That's really big. Yeah, maybe you do with your.
Knives. No.
You have more experience so you don't.
But dude, no shit. I cut my finger not too long ago
'cause it came out and it and itbarely tapped my finger and I go

(01:21:13):
whoa. And I'm like, I didn't even
realize I was in a meeting and I'm like, there's blood on the
table and I'm like 1 of you fuckers is.
Bleeding. No, but all.
License clean up as you go. To the bathroom wrapped toilet
paper. All I thought about.
Oh. My shit, that's a really sharp
knife. That's awesome.
Yeah, exactly. That's all.
I thought I was just like, well.But yeah.
So, yeah, so. Like I the internal bleeding

(01:21:35):
like, So what happens though, over time as you bleed is that
you get really bad arthritis. You just get residue from, from
the bleeding. And so you're, you know, I'm 46
years old. My joints are not shot but like
they're 46. I'm 46.
No dude, they're like. 90 ohh yeah so.
You're like the real target, right?

(01:21:55):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And so we're the same.
Age Yeah. 7979 graduate. 97. Yeah, yes.
So, so like my left ankle, for example, see the scar, scar
right along there? I have no left ankle.
It's fused because I had so muchbleeding in my ankle that the
iron in the blood wore the bonesaway until it was like every

(01:22:16):
step the bones were trying to find each other.
There's essentially no ankle left.
So I had to use a cane. I was on opioids.
I was on consistent opioids through a patch.
How old were you? That was when I was. 3130 bro
that crazy? OK.
Five years, I couldn't even walka block at 30, OK, I'd walk on

(01:22:38):
the beach with my family. I'd have to rest every 20 feet.
And it was bad, you guys. And just constantly on opioids.
I'd be in church meetings, like,you know, sitting there holding
my scriptures, whatever, like, you know, in, in like a
leadership meeting and my scriptures would just drop to
the ground because I would fall asleep because I'm on freaking
opioids. Like how is this?

(01:22:59):
OK, it's not That's what our nation is I'm.
At 14. Months. 14 months with not only
no opioids, no Tylenol, no ibuprofen for inflammation, none
of it. Yeah, none of it.
Just pure plant medicine. 14 months now that's amazing.
And for a hemophiliac, that's a pretty amazing very big.

(01:23:20):
Deal you. Guys, very big deal.
And then on the proactive side, I've created strain or I've used
strains that help me with exercise, right?
So I'll take a certain strain inthe morning before I run workout
and I track times with cannabis and non cannabis and I PR almost
every time I do with cannabis orI did for a while.
There's only so much I could PR,like I'm never going to get a

(01:23:42):
sub, you know? Five Mile.
That's impressive. No, I, I totally.
Get it? When I'm using.
Cannabis in the gym and Brandon's been doing it lately
too. Yeah, you noticed You can push
yourself a little bit further for sure.
I work out. Better like, it's a much better
focus like and I'm there and I'mnot like, fuck, I don't want to
be here. I'm like, yeah, I'm feeling

(01:24:03):
great. Like this is going to be an
amazing workout. Like, Oh yeah, I can feel every
Rep and it's like, oh, I like how this feels.
I like being here for this. Yeah, the increasing.
Amount of cannabis that I've I mean cause for a.
Long. Time it was just like once or
twice a day and then now it's just like, yes, but I am
healthier now. I, I Brandon, I always talk

(01:24:25):
about it. Do you notice that the people
who use cannabis like daily never get sick?
They don't get colds. Interesting.
They don't get the. Flu, I don't take vaccines or
any of that stuff because I'm just like the last time I did
get. Sick I did get was it during
COVID and I did get COVID, but it was a small mild version of

(01:24:47):
it and that's the last time I'vebeen sick throughout I had
COVID. Twice.
COVID actually saved my life in many ways because I was heavier
and it forced me to. I didn't.
I couldn't eat. I was just.
Dead and the. Only thing that got me through
these I I was aching everywhere and my wife's like, what do you
think you have? I'm like, it's just one of those

(01:25:07):
flus I get everyone. So I'm going where I'm going to
be down for like a week. And luckily a.
Friend of mine that I worked with, she had given me all of
these infused cookies and I was just breaking off pieces.
A constant flow in you. Oh man, and it it.
It took me through it. Like that's what got me over
that hump. Wow.
But now I have cannabis in my system every day.

(01:25:29):
I'm in the best shape of my life.
Yep, right. Why?
Is it now that we're the best shape of our life?
It's crazy, right, 20? Five if we were.
To look like this. 45 year olds 46.
Year olds when we were young, Fat.
Yeah, exactly. They look.
Like they're fucking 60. It's true.
And it and of course, this is like a cultural shift also of
course, of course, but for sure cannabis and allows me, enables

(01:25:52):
me to be healthier. Yeah, be healthier across the
whole board. Mental, Spiritual, Physical
Health 100. Percent, dude.
Like. Yeah, yeah.
I think it's. Fantastic.
Not only for religious people orage people, but honestly for
people getting into cannabis period.
Tinctures have been, we have said that so.

(01:26:14):
Long the most effective. Way my girlfriend had the lowest
tolerance like less than 1 milligram tolerance and I found
that edibles are not the way to do it.
You don't dose someone with thatlow on there.
You can start with one drop on atincture so you can dose really
low and weight, weight, weight and when you think you've

(01:26:36):
weighted enough weight a little more.
But I tell people as they're trying.
It's like just today you're going to try this and maybe 3
drops or a half a pipette, whatever like and then that's
it. You're not going to try again
till tomorrow. Yeah, because I want it out of
your system so that you can you can have a fresh and see.
Yeah. Yeah, but it's like it's so easy
to start that way and go, hey, you don't need to have this

(01:26:59):
horrible experience of cannabis wasn't for me or and even with a
tincture of maybe you took too low of a dose.
Well, what was the worst thing that happened?
You didn't get high? Yeah, exactly.
Well, none of these like you have to take so much of my
tinctures to get high, and that's on purpose because the
goal is like, the goal isn't. Yeah, it's in the stars.

(01:27:19):
The goal is, oh, I don't hurt anymore.
Yeah, well, it's the it's. The focus, the creativity, the
in your workout. And hey, I'm, I'm riding, I need
sleep. It's whatever that is because we
talk about it all the time. You don't have to get high to
use cannabis. There's ways to navigate it.
And 90% of my life, I am never high.
Yeah, I use cannabis all day long, but I've never.

(01:27:41):
It's the first. Few moments of hitting it and
you'll feel high for like 1520 minutes and then it you just
ride the rest of it. That's exactly what I noticed
about yours was it felt very guided.
It's probably the best way I'm thinking in my mind because it
wasn't. It's like Bo holding your.
Hand there like, hey, I've got you brother, for to me it's like

(01:28:03):
AI. Want to put a warm blanket
around you? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I I 100% like I felt it in my jaw and I'm like, this feels
like Jack. That's because I mean everybody
you know as a teacher and then you have a fucking bullshit
whatever. Yeah, exactly.
Exactly. And then nothing.
And So what it? But I mean, it's, you know, when
you're using cannabis, as long as a lot of people go well, you
probably don't feel it. Actually, I feel it more and I

(01:28:25):
feel it quicker. I know when it's starting to get
to my sis and you can start feeling this within 510 minutes,
you're feeling a bit of a change.
But then that real good onset I've noticed just and it.
I I feel like. It and Brandon's a testament to
it. Look how skinny is, you know it.
It makes you have better choicesfor food.
Like if I have munchies after, Ijust have a routine.

(01:28:48):
I eat an apple after I smoke. Yeah, yeah, because.
It's intentional. Yeah.
I'm like what's? Coming so plan.
For it, yeah, I'm going to do. This and then I'm good yeah.
If I really feel like I need some I'll make myself a protein
shake or something like that. It's totally, it's not that fear
like even the older people get that like.
Oh, I'm already having troubles.With my weight.

(01:29:08):
Yeah, yeah, for sure. And that's why we're, that's why
I'm starting to explore the ideaof THCV, right, Because that's
that curbs hunger. And so in California, you see a
lot of blends right now now thatare like 2 to 1, so 2 THC to
one, a lot of beverages. Oh yeah, THCV beverages.
What did I see? There was a.
Company Target is going to be selling infused beverages

(01:29:29):
Beverages. Certain states, yeah.
Really. I wonder.
Which brands cause paps make paps?
Yeah, they have one. They have a great one they.
Have a THCV one that's like guava.
It's only in California and it'sso good.
It's sugar free, very light. Really 10 milligram THC to 5
milligram THCV to offset any hunger that may come from it.

(01:29:51):
Dude that is think of. This as like a natural.
GLP 1. So what I'm testing is high
levels of THCV. Could it act as a natural GLP 1A
hunger suppressant? Dude, I I.
I volunteer as tribute and and and and here's why I'm saying
that. So I am on a GLP one.
Same me. Too.
What are you on? Manjaro no.

(01:30:11):
So I I've. I was patient 01 at the hormone
clinic in Salt Lake that I go tothree years ago.
So I started GLP ones three years ago as soon as the FDA
approved them. And so I've done two different
GLP ones and now I'm on a GLP 3 Redditrutide Redditrutride.
Just started it, how's? That it's I take it for type 2.
Nothing you take it for. Type 2.

(01:30:32):
OK, so you're how? What's the effect been for you?
I did. Semaglutide.
Yep, shipped my guts out for like 5 days.
Yep, I moved to trisepatide. Yep, and way better experience.
Way better. Yeah, but the doc I was with, I
was on like Farxiga and that because I had like I used to
average like 455 hundred on my blood sugar.

(01:30:56):
Wow. Just had a headache.
Wow. I'm paying for.
It now, yeah, my eyes really yeah.
I've been getting like bleeds inside my eye.
So I'm, I'm, I got an appointment on Tuesday to see an
eye doctor, but it is these, youknow, I honestly, I just think
about that where teenagers like I would be far better off if

(01:31:17):
there was more of it. Yeah.
But like you said, they're like there's no strain specific 1.
And that's important. It's extreme.
Why is that? Important because I, I think
it's very important, right And that's why I've put so much time
and effort and money into developing these Why do you
think it's important? Well, because.
When you are experiencing cannabis as a whole like that
the the thing I hate is that youhave gummies which is by far the

(01:31:43):
most. It's not accepted, but it's the
easiest to bypass the moral filter for sure.
It's just a gummy. It's gonna taste like green
apple, which is great to have the flavors I guess.
Sure, but you don't treat it like medicine when it tastes
like candy. No.
And so that's why, well this shit doesn't work cuz I took it

(01:32:03):
30 minutes ago and then you takeanother one.
And then you're in the stars andthen they're like I can.
Never do that again yeah you have a you you have a trauma
based incident that now has cemented it in your mind.
You should go see a ketamine clinic, I mean, or go on some
psilocybin for a good amount because it is super important

(01:32:24):
because of the cannabinoids, thethe, the terpenes, everything
that's associated with that specific plant is designed to do
something for the outcome. When you take a sativa tincher,
you're getting sativa floor trimmings and swept up whatever.
'S leftover the cuttings, the branches, you name it, all

(01:32:46):
processed. Or hot dog water that didn't.
Sell. Yep.
So we got. To turn the some out, yeah, but
we'll make tinchers, we'll do some edibles.
And that's the part where whatever medicinal purpose that
the individual gets from that, it's so small amount, it's the
equivalent of going to GNC and saying what's going to make me
buff? And they go here.

(01:33:08):
This will make you retain water.This will drive up your blood
pressure. So you'll get all vascular.
And we're going to do these things, right.
They're they're not giving you atruly formulated thing.
When you get down to the basics,it's like, what do you need for
bodybuilding? Protein and sleep.
That's it. Everything else, carbs, all that

(01:33:29):
other great, great, but make sure these two are your two top
things when you're doing cannabis.
Why are you saying this is a plant medicine in a tincher when
it's not even as healthy as the cereal you feed your children?
So when you have strain specificwhere it's got everything coming
from that one and now you actually know where it's coming

(01:33:50):
from, you know exactly. Where it's coming from, you know
exactly. And so every.
Month or every two weeks when you go buy a new one, you know
exactly what's going to happen the next time.
It doesn't change. And that's the unfortunate part
with edibles and teachers that are sold anywhere, they're not
like that. I mean, not everywhere is going
to be like not going this route.There are prices strain.

(01:34:13):
Specific edibles now too, so youcan get them at dispose here in
in Utah that are strain specificgummies.
That's great. Now the question is, what
usually happens is that it's notstrain specific from a specific
flower to that gummy. What it usually is is is
terpenes and padded pulling to left to be OG Kush.

(01:34:34):
Yeah, Blue Dream. But really those are just
chemical levers that are used. Here's this dirty.
Dusty that's gone into it and all right, we're going to OG
Kush has these terps. So yes, there's our OG Kush
yeah, and that's a yeah, that's exactly right.
And that that. Was one of the things that
impressed me of Pure Plan when they walked me through their
gummy process. Which I'm, I'm not a huge fan of

(01:34:55):
gummies for me other people, they were great.
Not for me when they watched me through, they were doing like
real strain specific gummies andI'm like, oh, cool, why do you
do that? And they and I'm like, all
right, you get it. You totally, totally get it.
I like that. So we're starting to.
See that happen? And the experience is.
Different and in Canada they. Have strain specific tinctures
and then that's where I, I studied it with these doctors

(01:35:17):
who that's their entire practiceis cannabis doctors.
And they're like MD's who turnedconverted their entire practice
over to cannabis. And, and so then that's when I
learned the levels using isolates because there's no way
to get the levels of cannabinoids that I'm using out
of a natural out of out of plants.
So what they do is they take theplant and then they process that

(01:35:37):
to create these isolates of super pure isolates that I add
in to get to those, to get to those levels.
But the core of the product is just an essential oil with a
specific strain that is going tohave a specific purpose.
Doesn't exist anywhere. 50 states, you can go to California
and get strained specific tinctures, but it's all
formulated with those levers we talked about, right?

(01:35:59):
So how long? Till bow is beautiful whatever
comes to market. I'm sure that's not the name,
but like what's it's not so I'm I'm I'm.
Launching it with pure plan and they're going to be pure plan
strain specific tinctures and I'm working on the packaging
right now. We're working on final
formulations. We were at the lab yesterday,
the testing lab, the state lab in Taylorsville or wherever that
is, meeting with the lab technician and looking at the

(01:36:21):
testing results and they're, they're very like everyone who
tries it or sees it or tries it or sees what we're doing.
They're like, how has this not existed?
This is amazing. It's fantastic.
Some of the. Dispos are asking.
For exclusivity. It boggles my mind.
That, you know, are you serious?Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, that's so funny, dude.

(01:36:42):
That's like literally like everybody going, hey, did you
know that? Eating lettuce?
So they texted. Me pure Plan texted me and said,
hey, would you be open to this? Because they're allowing me to
drive a lot of the decisions that are being made there.
And I said no, I'm not open to exclusivity.
Absolutely not. This needs to be everywhere.
It's disappointing. Surprising.
Disappointing that anyone in thestate hasn't done that yet, but

(01:37:04):
I'm really impressed and happy that you have created this type
of product because in a medical market, in any market, this is a
great introduction for anyone getting new into cannabis or
anyone who doesn't want to inhale.
Honestly, this is a better way than any edible.
It was so clean. Too like and you can make a.

(01:37:26):
Drinkable. You can make whatever you want
from a tincture. Well, that that's what I do.
Often is I'll I'll put it in in your coffee.
Right, I'll put it in my coffee.And then this one.
So I brought this, this is a prototype.
I was curious on that one. 'Cause it's different.
This is just a prototype, so. Smell this one first.
This is AG code OK. So it's a really good sleepy
indica. I've got 10.6 milligrams of THC,

(01:37:48):
50 milligrams CBD, 25 milligramsof CBG and this is a from a pure
plan flower that's in your G. Code G Code OK so.
You probably have a. This is also G code but.
It's 25 milligrams THC, 100 milligrams CBD and 25
milligrams. So that's my heavy hitter 1.
That I that I did so smell that.What does it smell like?
Simple answer, it smells like live rosin.

(01:38:09):
To me, yeah, it smells like cannabis.
Yeah, it is. So that one there that you're
smelling is from live rosin. The one that you're smelling is
from flour. OK, let's switch.
This one is. Yeah.
So smell the difference now. OK.
Because you are going to be ableto smell the difference.
Yeah, that does smell. Like flour, it's super, it's
super floral. OK, and and.
It tastes like flour too. So the flour ones are really

(01:38:31):
strong. Sometimes they have a little bit
of a nuttiness because of the D car process.
So now don't look at the label. OK, This is the exact same
formulation as the new live rosin one that you smell that
you got. OK, so now smell this one
without looking at the label. It's got a child lock.
Yep, which that is really good. Oh wow, you.

(01:38:52):
Smelling anything? That's what I wondered was if it
was like an odorless So it is. Odorless.
Almost. It's very low.
Yeah, it's super. Low, like I'm really trying to.
I don't smell anything. That's awesome.
Yeah, but I don't. I don't think I smell it.
What's behind door number? One brand, Madagascar.
Vanilla. What's the SO that's organic?

(01:39:12):
Madagascar vanilla powdered and then put into the tincture to
not only cover the smell and thetaste, but to give like a
warming vanilla vanilla experience with just no way.
That's amazing. Oh dude, it's amazing.
Oh shit, that's. Awesome.
So we made this at at. Pure plan and so I can't smell
anything. With no like, that's why.

(01:39:33):
I was like the live rosin so. So we've processed so many
batches now to get this right because we want it to be not
tasteless. Like I'm still OK with it
tasting like cannabis because itshould taste like medicines.
Yeah, right. But I want it as little as
possible and just just just soft.
So that's. What this is?
Yeah, this is fantastic. I'm.
Impressed launching with the G code.
For night, for sleep and then launching with Super Booth

(01:39:54):
Cherry. Did I miss it?
Did you say? There was a certain time that
these will be on the shelves in Utah.
Yeah. So you know.
We don't know exactly, but before the end of the year.
So we'll we'll hit holidays. Yeah, OK.
Yeah. Perfect.
So keep an eye out. I'm sure when they drop we'll
have you know, shows links belowand stuff so perfect.
It'll be great it'll. Be in all the dispensaries, you
know it's all and it's been so nice to work with them because

(01:40:15):
yeah, I've got my little thing, you know that I've been making
my own personal medicine with. But to be able to have access to
an entire lab and for them to believe in it so much that it's
like, what equipment do you need?
What do you need? What do you want to test?
And to do it all legally and all, you know, on the up and up
you make good products. I.
Love it and they're amazing patients.
Need. Those products, yeah, honestly,
so I'm excited for them. I'm excited that we've gotten to

(01:40:37):
try them. They are amazing products.
So everyone at home will have tokeep an eye out for that.
Okay, I got one more. Real quick.
So you gotta. Yeah, yeah.
So. Check this out SO.
You used the Bose ball? Yeah Okay, so smell this little
smell test here so this is Bose balm and what this this a Tiger
balm pace. OK, so Tiger Balm's like over
the counter, you know, order on Amazon.

(01:40:58):
Yeah, that's. Awesome.
And what makes? Tiger Balm Special is the
camphor and it's that burning, you know, healing ingredient.
So this is 4 milligrams THCA, 100 milligrams CBD, 50
milligrams CBG and 6 milligrams CBN per gram.
Oh wow. OK.
Just one little. Dab of it OK, that's my
original, that's the Bose balm. Then I was inspired by my

(01:41:21):
daughter who's 13 and she is into like Sephora she's in her
Sephora house right. So it's like.
Oh. How was he leaking?
No before. It does, so she's into.
You know, facial, facial creams and different things like that.
It's super cute. So I'm like, wait a second.
That's really nice to put this on my face.
It's like a moose. So I learned how to make more of

(01:41:43):
a mousse and then smell this andthen and then touch it like, you
know, get a little bit out so you can see because it looks
like a very. Light texture light, yeah.
Dude, that's. Super light.
It's super light. So this is similar.
It's like 3 1/2 milligrams THC, 100 milligrams CBD, 32
milligrams CBD. It's so much CBD and CBG that's

(01:42:03):
like couldn't even make money off of this, right?
This is like hyper medical grade, but the mousse goes on
and it melts easier than the balm.
You really have to to work in. That's OK Massage is good.
Yeah, yeah. But that.
Just like, literally. Disappears, so then that's nuts.
I made. A body butter.
This is OK. So this is getting into straight

(01:42:26):
up like skin care. So this is a Shea butter base
with beef tallow, organic beef tallow and essential oils.
So I'm working with Young Livingand they're supplying all of my
essential oils for these. And it's the essentially it's
the essential oils that are in pan away, which is one of their
top skews for pain. OK, so smell this and then take

(01:42:47):
a dab of like take a dab with your finger and check the
consistency. Oh my gosh, it literally just
melts. Like you put butter on your
skin. Oh my gosh, like you don't.
Even have to. Work it in and it just it just.
OK. And that one there is about, I
don't know, an hour of whipping in the machine to get it like
nice and airy. And the temperature thing is

(01:43:09):
really hard because you have to get the temperatures of the
butters at A at a spot to be able to meld the different
butters and melt them, but not damage the cannabinoids that are
in it because it's all strain specific.
So it's made with Oreos right here.
OK, So then I figured out a way to do a whipped body butter.
So next level. OK, and this is Shay tallow and

(01:43:32):
pan away. 100 milligrams CBD, 4 milligrams THC per.
So now put this on your finger and then put some of that on
your hand. Oh, that smells awesome.
I just got like extra. Lotiony hands now Seriously
that. Stuff.
There. Whoa, that is just feels like.
Beef tallow it is it. Was Shea butter beef tallow and

(01:43:53):
then whipped for four hours to be super light and airy.
OK Oh my God, this stuff here. I mean, this is like when this
goes to market, you can put thison your face.
It doesn't have camphor, it doesn't burn you.
So the the Tiger Balm stuff withcamphor, that's going to have
that burning effect, which is really good for muscles and
joint pain, but you don't want to put it on sensitive areas.

(01:44:13):
Worst Lube ever. Yeah, I had a bad.
Experience a bad experience, so this.
Here you can put anywhere on your body, right?
So my daughter, she puts it on her face and on her knees,
whatever. So this the whipped body butter
is going to be a game changer dude.
That's awesome. I mean.
And the funny story. Did they?
Yeah. Oh my, my mind, my mind.

(01:44:36):
Just like, well, do you have anything?
Yeah, this is not going. Well, pretty good.
Dude. Pretty good.
That's intense. Like, you know, that's another
thing too, I wish I would see more of because a lot of, you
know, you're talking like Sephora and you've got, what is
it called Ulta. You know.

(01:44:58):
People will just buy any kind oflow grade Yep, biomass, Yep that
they can get and already broken down Yep, they don't know what
the process, they don't know where it came from, they don't
know if it's top quality and they make bath bombs totally
lotions. They're all shit.
They're just they're garbage. They smell bad and they don't

(01:45:19):
feel dig this stuff. I keep touching myself because
I'm just like what the on cameratoo.
Welcome to Jesse's only fans by now keeps.
Going up every dollar 99. For a limited, Yeah, right now,
right. Oh.
Man. Well, good.
I'm glad I'm. Glad you love it dude.
Feels really. Really.
Amazing. I mean that's something that you
know, I'm even thinking just because of the anti-inflammatory

(01:45:41):
properties, you know, especiallyall these women, the anti
wrinkle. I mean a lot of that is just
stress, yes, in the skin. So they're able to use that.
I mean, if they were applying this every day, you're going to
see a lot of less inflammation for sure.
And so you think. I like facial inflammation
right? It was just caused by the foods
we and because like this, this shake, because this is Shea
butter, beef tallow and jojoba. And so between those three,

(01:46:04):
those 3 plus massive amounts of CBD, a little bit of THC, you're
going to get the inflammation effects and you're going to get
the glow from, you know, the topthree ingredients of skin care.
And it's all organic. The beef tallow is from a farm
in Brigham City and like local farm, the Shea butter's organic,
the jojoba's organic. And then all of the essential
oils that I use for it are from Young Living.

(01:46:26):
And so we partnered with them toto, you know, get the best, the
best oils. And then the cannabis in it is
is Oreos. So it's just strain specific.
Wow. From my tinctures.
That's amazing. That is.
Incredible. It's a good product done good.
Work. I keep.
Yeah, you just like. It's so smooth.
I mean, it looks greasy, but it feels incredible.

(01:46:48):
And it's just like, you know, byrubbing it in even more, you're
just helping that process. Yep, that's exactly right.
But you know, I'm thinking. About that where not only is
something that you could keep readily available, you know, and
this is a great gateway drug like, well if it feels this
great on my skin yeah, how's it going to feel inside my body for

(01:47:09):
sure well that that. Was my dad's experience.
I had that. Beef towel.
Yeah, we have to write the. Instructions real big for Jesse
do not do not do not take. Internally, do not take rectal
beans on your. Skin What is Why?
Why are we? Why yuck at someone jumps?
Man that's not cool. So I like lotion different

(01:47:31):
places I get chafed OK. OK, well if you do, don't use
the Tiger ball. Use the whipped butter.
Yeah, but I love that too. Because now you've got the
athletic part, which is, yes, something that the cannabis has
not been able to do, which is really, I mean, one I really
appreciate your background on because you're thinking about
the consumer like truly. About the consumer.

(01:47:51):
Not just the marketing side, you're thinking about the end
product for sure. What am I going to feel?
Yes, three days. After.
Yes, and. What am I going to?
Feel when I run out. Yep.
That's another thing that's really hard for a lot of those
to hit. That's why we have such
inconsistency. Teachers being a great way
having lotions. Yeah, yeah.

(01:48:13):
I never even think that. Not until Brandon gave me his
and I was just like, this is this is heaven sent.
I only made it. Because someone, my cousin
reached out and was like, hey, I've got a friend and her dad
has cancer and he has crazy amounts of back pain, but he
won't take anything. What about THC bombs or
something? I'm like, well, what state is he
in? Where is he at and all this.

(01:48:34):
And then I was like, I can just make him one.
I have all of the stuff to do it.
I can make him one. And and so I did it.
And then I was like, wait, I have all this stuff to make my
own. Why don't I do that?
I've had this forever, Like why haven't I done this?
So I was just like, well, I'm bored.
I have got I have time, let's dothat.
So I sat down and made it the other literally like a week ago.

(01:48:58):
Yeah, Brandon an. Apothecary.
Yeah, I love. He truly is.
He's like this healer in the band and like come on Brandon,
him down. Ohh.
This. Yeah, the teacher.
Put this in your mouth. Yeah, alright, dude.
Get out there, keep play 3 ham berries and what a cool.
Medic. Right, he shows up with like
this looks like a flamethrower but it's just like an instant

(01:49:21):
bong. Take a hit bro, alright?
On your feet out there Soldier Lookout that would be branded.
Totally be branded. How many milligrams?
In there. Don't worry about it enough.
Seriously, This is so cool, man.This is so.
I mean, one that you listen to the show.
Yeah, I love it. That's so.
Cool, I mean. We, we still geek out about

(01:49:42):
that. Every comment we geek out about
it. It's fun because it's, it's
something that we really have become.
I mean, like even now, like I work in this ultra professional
world and so many of these people are like, you use that.
Where do I get it? Or people come over and they
find him. They're like, now I got this one

(01:50:03):
guy, He constantly stops by. He's like, hey man, what's up?
It's like, it's cool, dude, it'scool.
It's like being in a foreign land and going where's the other
American that you see him? You're like, hey, where are you
from? Ohio.
Yeah, shit, close enough. Hey buddy, how's it going?
All these people smell weird. It's a.
Connector for sure, but. But cannabis just goes across

(01:50:24):
any language barrier, any about,I mean, no matter what, but
nobody's going to be a Dick on that.
It was just like, hey, do you use weed?
Yeah. Hey buddy, it's nice to meet.
Or do you need some? No, I just wanted to meet a
friend and truly you can meet anybody.
They can wear a three piece. They could be chilling and board
shorts. Yep, or a One Piece.

(01:50:46):
Yeah, or a One piece. Or a no piece.
Yeah, usually Brandon about noonjust got to walk around.
I know right it. Goes the suit.
There's this little old lady across the street.
She's very grateful. She always get his.
Noon For some reason she gets a bit of.
Endorphins. Little hit.
Yeah, she's just like. There's that sweet boy.

(01:51:08):
Again, the beauty of that is that.
There's products for everyone onthat whole spectrum.
Yeah, right. And the truth of the matter is I
doubt that heavy users are goingto be drawn to my products.
I'm OK with that. I really am.
You know, there's there's. Thousands of people out there
that need to be drawn to these products exactly and.
That's my target market. I would say give me the people

(01:51:30):
who won't even they're not even open to cannabis.
Give me the people who are maybestarting to think about
cannabis, maybe they're opened. Great.
Start with my my balm or start with my body butter or my
whipped butter. If that helps you, then let's
have the conversation of a tincture, right?
And that's such an easy end. Well.
That's my target market. I think that's a huge

(01:51:51):
addressable market. Oh, it's a massive.
And it's something. That we, I mean, you know,
Brandon and I talk about that all the time, literally, we do
talk about it all the time. We just, we worry about those
people who get the impression that cannabis is only to be able
to get high. Exactly.
Exactly. And this is not going to get you
high. This is going to heal you.
Yeah, yeah, on. Deep levels, yeah.

(01:52:12):
Yeah, huge. This.
Is awesome. Thank you so much for coming
here. Thanks for having me.
Yeah. We are truly.
We are very. Thankful for you to be able to
come by, share a lot of your family and history and all this
stuff that you've gotten to thispoint making these fantastic
products. I mean, shit, I feel bad for all
those other places to listen to.They don't get this kind of

(01:52:33):
Utah. Utah only.
Yeah, I know, right? Who?
Would have thought I know. Don't fucking move.
Out here, please, Lord, no more people.
But you know what if you have tocome get some quality product, I
mean, I can see that I I think of and and I'll leave it at
this. You know that woman we talked
to? Remember the crazy lady?

(01:52:54):
Yeah, you, you know how very start of the show.
And yes, and she moved her son out and she was very.
Angry. She needed some.
Some tinctures. Yeah.
Some some strong ones, some of. That G.
Code. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Yeah, so she you need to calm. Down for the day she was.
Intense, yeah. But I think to her where that

(01:53:16):
intensity came from and her son wasn't able to get quality
product. Like I mean even the product
that she used probably isn't even anywhere close to the
efficacy that this is going to be able to to.
Gain anybody right? So it's, yeah, I, I think about
that and I, I think about those.I mean, because one of the great
thing about teachers and I and I, I am going to take a moment

(01:53:37):
to press it to kids because you remember that there are
qualifying conditions in Utah and in other states for them to
be on that and for you to be able to develop a product.
I'm like, yeah, you could do a lot of it.
If you're really sensitive to it, taking the full dropper
might not be a good thing on your and and you can.
Get high from that. Like if you take too much you
can get high absolutely. But the majority of the time

(01:53:59):
you're not going to be high. Dude.
If you eat enough broccoli, you're.
Going to fart all day. I mean, shit happens, right?
So it's just like. OK, well, maybe.
Not eat that much and it's the same here.
Start low. But you know for.
Me as a parent with kids and I see I'm like, I, I could help
you, but this, this thing standsin the way.

(01:54:21):
It's even on myself. It's like, and Brandon and I've
talked about this. I'm like, you know, like your
daughter joked her out about it.She's like, hey dad, give me a
hit of your all the time. And I'm like.
You're 13? No, like no, I said that.
He's all Hey dad, can I have a hit go away?
No, and I'm very. Much like I do not think
cannabis for kids unless it's very medical right Like yes,

(01:54:43):
epilepsy in kids absolutely amazing, but that's all done
through doctors yeah then I think it's a great interesting
studies or. Stuff with doctors testing with
autism and that with like certain low doses, micro doses
of totally. THCCB.
DCBG. Yep, but again.
It's specific needs under very low THC.

(01:55:03):
Very high dose CBD, yeah, and. Working with like a.
Pediatrician that actually understands it not just says,
well, it's legal, so sure, right, but they're very hands.
On but those doctors don't have.Access to high quality, Yeah,
well, well those. Products don't exist, Yeah.
And they? Will soon, which is great.

(01:55:24):
So and and my take is that like what we've communicated to our
kids, like I actually don't wantStoner kids.
Like I would love them if they were, but like, I don't want my
kids to smoke. I don't want my kids to be way
into it. And so we don't talk about it
all that much at home just because it's not a huge topic of
discussion. Yeah, it really isn't.
But as they. Become adults, you know, the

(01:55:45):
brains are developing 2627 now their brains are developed like
you're going to have traumatic things.
Maybe therapy, therapy that thiscould help with your therapy as
in addition to or you've got physical elements that are going
to help. That's when I want my kids to
start being open to the my tinctures and open to cannabis
is late 20s, thirties as they get into their adulthood.
I'm grateful that I never experienced cannabis till I was

(01:56:07):
40. I never did.
Could it have blessed my life earlier?
Maybe. I'm grateful that I didn't until
I was until I was 40. I swore it off I I got.
Way too stoned. We go back to the episode, but
it was a bad incident and and for what was it 20 years?
No, no, no, no, no, no. Like 10 years.

(01:56:28):
I wouldn't touch it. And it was just for whatever.
And even when Brandon and I got into it, Brandon was still like
pretty kind of like riding the wave of of Stoner hood, right?
And I was being brought into Stoner hood and it was just
weird. But it quickly shifted.
And his ideas of, you know, let's learn deep about this, not

(01:56:48):
just like man because. To legal cause of HAMP, right?
I mean, it wasn't. Just that it was, and it wasn't
just to get. Stoned, no.
The intentionality behind this as a medicine and he truly.
I mean, we both kind of, I mean,I followed along with what he
was doing, but, you know, we truly were.
I I was just right behind him like a race.
Yeah, but we're just like in race.

(01:57:12):
Said that too. We do grand trees.
Medics, yeah, we love racing. That's.
Like our, our, our little, our, our vice.
But. We are been learning.
About it and and we get to meet people like you that have really
been able to not only see the medicinal properties of it but
see it as like this supplement that is missing from what we are

(01:57:33):
trying to enjoy which is life so.
I mean. I always give praise to this
guy. Seriously.
I mean, he's knows so much and you know, I have learned a lot
of that. I still don't know what the fuck
I'm talking about half the time,but people think I do.
But you know, I do know enough, but I know a lot.
But at the same time, it's so cool because it can always be

(01:57:55):
taken to a better level. For sure.
We're still. Learning and and this is.
Truly, I mean, unless Brandon made it, I'm just like, I'm not
touching a teacher. Seriously, I have a very strong
standard that I was blown away by.
I was blown. I did a a mixing of OG Kush and
that to just kind of give me this real relaxed feel and I

(01:58:16):
raced him and I was just like, Ijust felt great.
That's what it was. That's amazing.
I was kicking. Your ass out.
Yeah, he was like, I need to switch.
That off? I know right?
But it was it. That's the cool thing too.
And I, and honestly, like it's been something I've been looking
for because I do smoke too much flour and I, I really want to
cut back. Yeah, but I know what it's doing

(01:58:37):
for me and it's keeping me on this really good even train.
Yeah, but I want to figure out something else.
So I'm glad that there's products out like this right now
for those in Utah. Pure plan, keep an eye out.
Yeah, it'll be in the. Next couple of months, yeah.
Also if Bo has. Any special links that he wants
to share they'll be down below. So sounds good also.

(01:58:58):
Real quick. Oh.
Yeah, I love her. We we love this.
Stuff so many people love tryingto pass tests and like study
buddies it's always hard findinga good study buddy and when
you've. Got a test coming up that's
worth 75,000 dollars 150. Maybe 250,000.
Dollars, you never know, whatever your salary is, this is

(01:59:18):
a great product to be able to help you.
Synthetics 5 is the. Best study buddy you could find
on the market. Absolutely, yeah.
It's purely synthetic urine. I don't know how it helps you
pass tests, but it can and it's really cool.
Yeah, you could. Put this into your pocket.
Or put it in your mouth. Yeah, you could put it.
Brandon actually asked. That goes what?
What's the? Flavor I was like, wait, so I'm

(01:59:39):
guessing because this says it's like since it's like a fetish
juice, it's it's OK in your mouth, right?
Like yeah, I think Paragus. Flavored.
Yeah, this is very good. But it really is.
So code down below. If you've got a test coming up,
make sure that you pass it. Just because you're enjoying
this amazing plant doesn't mean you can't be smart enough to

(02:00:00):
pass test. Yeah, exactly.
So check it out below. Tune in the next beat.
All right, guys.

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