April 18, 2024 • 35 mins
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As the melodies of life play their complex harmonies, we sometimes find ourselves tracing the origins of our tune. That's precisely what we uncover with the compassionate and creative Bonnie Lyn Paige in a new season of Cashflows. Bonnie, adopted at just two days old, shares her story with the kind of openness that draws you into the very heart of her childhood, resonating with the sounds of violin strings and the nurturing environment provided by her adoptive parents in Edmond, Oklahoma. It's a narrative rich with the love of a family that chose her and the animals that surrounded her growing up on an urban farm—a testament to the life-affirming power of adoption.
Yet every story has its silences, its unplayed notes. Bonnie bravely prepares to fill hers by reaching out to her birth family, a group of people she knows of but has yet to meet. Her journey is punctuated by the crafting of a musical composition, aptly named "Hope," which serves as a bridge between her past and potential future. As she shares this part of her journey, we're reminded of the vibrations that connect us all—the support of her adoptive parents, the embrace of her boyfriend's family, and the anticipation of new additions to her family, both human and four-legged. It's a narrative that speaks to the courage needed to explore our roots and the unyielding strength found in the families we make along the way.
To close our heartfelt exchange, we reflect on the importance and challenge of forgiveness, the act of releasing past grievances to foster personal growth and deeper peace. With Bonnie's story and my own insights as a backdrop, we invite you to consider the bridges you can build in your life by letting go of the heavy stones of resentment. Join us for this episode of Cashflows for an exploration of the music that is family, adoption, and the healing journey toward hope and connection.
Chapters:
0:00 Adoption and Musical Journey With Bonnie
13:00 Exploring Family Connections and Hope
19:07 The Journey of Adoption and Discovery
34:43 Forgive and Let Go
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Composed and Performed by Brianna Gaither
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Hello, entrepreneurs, dreamers, business owners and
happy people with high hopes.
Welcome to Cash Flows with yourhost, cash Matthews.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Okay, welcome to another riveting edition of Cash
Flows.
I'm Cash Matthews here today inTulsa, oklahoma, with our
executive producer, mr KennethBuckham.
Kenneth, say hello, hello,how's it going?
You know today's going to be agreat show.
I've been looking forward tothis particular one for a little
while, but things are goingwell.
You know, I'm glad to be backfor season two of Cash Flows.
(00:38):
Oh man, it's awesome.
Can you believe it?
We made it through season one.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
We did.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Yeah, you've now produced 108 podcasts and videos
and all that kind of stuffkicking through to 109 here yeah
, man, that's 109, anybody cando 108 and that's just, and
that's just this show yeah, well, you know this is going to be a
great show, this is going to beone for the record books, I
think.
And uh, we have as our guesttoday bonnie lynn page and you
(01:04):
know, kenn, kenneth and Inormally have a lot of frivolity
in the front of our show, buttoday we just wanted to jump
right in and introduce you to avery special guest and about a
very special topic, and we areglad you're here, bonnie.
Thanks for coming back for yoursecond version of the podcast.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
Thanks for having me, yeah the first one did great.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
You were so lively and it was great.
Today we're going to have alittle bit different show, a
little bit different topic,though we are a personal
self-development business kindof show.
I think today's topic isphenomenal and I can't wait to
talk about it and I'm just eager.
But the last time that you werehere you mentioned having
(01:48):
adoptive parents and we want todig in a little bit to that.
We want to hear about yourjourney.
You know one of the cool thingsyou did you brought your
mother's clown nose in a thingand I don't know why I found so
much favor in that.
I just thought it was one ofthe coolest things.
So tell us a little bit aboutyour journey through adoption.
(02:08):
Yes, and that'll be our topictoday.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
Absolutely Well.
I was adopted when I was twodays old, oh my gosh.
I've always known that I wasadopted, but my parents and
myself knew nothing about mybirth family.
So it was just the three of usand I was born in Oklahoma City.
My parents at the time were inNew Jersey and they were on a
(02:37):
work trip and they got a callfrom the attorney and the
attorney said hey, I have a babyin my arms, come home.
And my parents just franticallytried to get on a plane and get
home to see me.
They say my mother went up theelevator at the attorney's
office and the attorney met herat the elevator and said wait
here.
And she ran past him and ran,ran to that office to see me.
(03:01):
They were so excited and Ibrought the picture when my
parents first met me.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Oh, wow.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
If you'd like to take a look.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
So that is my part of my story.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
That's remarkable.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
I grew up in a lovely , lovely home.
We had an urban farm.
We lived in Edmond, oklahoma,but we had four acres, so we had
chickens, goats, hamsters, ahedgehog, and actually at the
last podcast we talked about howI grew up as a clown right and
(03:43):
the hedgehog was so funny theythought it looked like a clown
because it had the big noseright and so we'd always just
giggle and laugh and say, oh, wehave another clown in the
family.
The three animals that Iremember the most were the
dalmatians yeah inky dinky and.
Three of them, and I have apicture here for you to see of
(04:07):
me with Inky.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Oh man.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
She was the first one .
Speaker 2 (04:10):
What a great way to grow up.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
It was a great way to grow up, and this is still in
Edmond here.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Yes, and it looks like it's Halloween time because
the Halloween leaf bags are out.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
Yep, what a cool picture.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Can you put these up at some point are out.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
What a cool picture.
Can you put these up at somepoint?
Oh, yeah, for sure.
Yeah, you can do your magic.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
Well, those are great photographs, Thank you.
Music was also a very importantpart of our lives.
In fact, my mother had meplaying violin at age four and
she would go to every lessonwith me, take notes, make sure I
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practiced at home.
And around age six is when westarted going to violin camp,
and at violin camp both of myparents came with me and they
took notes during the lessonsand they wanted to see all the
performances.
So it was kind of a family campevent.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
So were you the only child of that family.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
Yes, I was.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
And that's I mean.
The story is phenomenal andlike I would like to dig into it
for hours.
But and I know I've got somequestions to ask you, but you
know there's some a lot ofpeople talk about adoption.
My wife and I you know Katieand we had struggles conceiving
a child for seven years and wetalked about it and you know I
(05:29):
was really shocked about the waypeople talk to us about it.
Her father even said well, youknow you don't want to do that
because you know, how could youlove somebody that's not
biologically yours?
I'm like well, I'm marryingyour daughter, she's not
biologically mine, and just thewhole world of adoption.
(05:50):
But I mean, were you adoptedthrough an agency?
You said there was an attorneyinvolved, but was there?
Speaker 4 (05:59):
an agency involved as well?
I'm not familiar with that sideof the story.
I don't know there was anattorney involved but I don't
know about an agency.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Wow, but you grew up in the right way.
You grew up with animals.
I sure did, and you grew upwith music.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
I grew up with music and this necklace actually my
father bought for my mother atviolin camp.
They had a little gift shopthere and it's a violin bridge.
It's a gold violin bridge.
The sad part of the story isthat my mother passed when I was
13, and my father got thisspecial hook for the necklace
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and gave it to me and made sureit wasn't going to come off as a
child.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
Wow.
So he, he made sure to to get agood clasp, um, when he gave it
to me, um, I went on to studymusic in college and I went on
to study on to study music andwork with a new music ensemble
called Latitude 49.
And they are so important in mylife to me, an important part
(07:15):
of my life they what they liketo do is work with living
composers.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Right.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
Okay, so they like to commission new music for them
to play that no one's ever heardbefore.
Wow, and so I started workingwith them and found that that
was a passion of mine as well.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Okay, so you commission music, you're
inventing something completelynew.
You're not just playingBeethoven and Bach, you're
playing Bonnie.
Right.
Wow, yes, so you grew up aroundmusic, you grew up in violin
school and then the band again,or is it?
Can I do?
I call it a band.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
You can call it a band, yeah, latitude.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Latitude 49.
Where's the name come from?
Speaker 4 (07:59):
Latitude 49 is the latitude between Canada and the
United States, the Michiganborder.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Right.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
So the original group members there are six group
members and the original groupmembers, half of them were from
Canada and half of them werefrom Michigan.
Okay, so we took that border,that latitude, and just made the
name of the band.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Wow, and where did you meet the Latitude?
49 people, was that in school?
Speaker 4 (08:24):
I met them in school.
Yeah, at Michigan StateUniversity.
I wasn't going there, but I wasvery involved in the school
there, right, and that's where Imet them.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
So you made music, you commissioned music, you
wrote music.
I'm guessing you recorded it.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
Yes, they record tons of music.
You can see on their websitetoo, and they're on Spotify.
They're on Apple Music.
They record tons of music.
You can see on their websitetoo, and they're on Spotify.
They're on Apple Music, they'reeverywhere.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Latitude 49.
So I guess we're shouting themout here.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
Latitude 49 on Spotify right where you find
cash flows.
Yes.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
And are you in any of those?
Speaker 4 (08:57):
I was the director of operations for this group.
So, I did the behind-the-sceneswork.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Got it, yeah, but that's I mean so kind of a
producer as well.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
I'm currently a board member.
That's my current title.
Ah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
I have somebody famous in the house today here,
that is awesome.
So tell me about the type ofmusic that they're doing.
Is this classical stuff?
Speaker 4 (09:22):
Yes, it's classical music that they are doing Now.
I have also commissioned my ownworks and that is those two
pieces.
So one piece, the first one iscalled Thick as Thieves and it
was commissioned by my goodfriend Brianna Gaither.
(09:43):
And it was commissioned by mygood friend Brianna Gaither, and
that piece is a piece about asignificant event in my life,
with my adoptive mother.
There was just a time when shewas very, very vulnerable with
me.
She was going through cancertreatments at the time and she
(10:04):
wasn't very healthy physicallyand we weren't sleeping neither
of us so we went for a midnightswim and we stayed up all night
and we watched the sunrise.
(10:24):
And that song is about myadoptive mother and our
relationship and how we werethick as thieves, how we were
best friends and we can findthat on.
Speaker 5 (10:31):
Spotify.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
I don't know if she's published that I may have to.
We may have to listen to alittle bit of that in here.
I can get you that recording.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
Yeah, I think we need to find that yeah let's do it,
you you do your magic over it.
Speaker 5 (10:52):
Well, yeah, we'll do some magic.
We'll insert right here, okay,for kindness.
Your legacy is resilience, andwe savored every moment and we
savored every moment.
We were thick as thieves.
You were the world around me.
We were swim buddies.
(11:13):
I thought I'd drown without you, but you taught me, you taught
me, you taught me, you taught meTo swim.
You made me good at it, youtaught me, you taught me.
You taught me, you taught me tolive.
I'm not scared of it anymoreAnymore.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Anymore, you commission music.
Now I mean talk about yourmusical life.
Mine is playing the stereo andhacking on the guitar.
What instruments do you play?
Speaker 4 (11:59):
My musical life is very rich.
I've played violin since I wasfour.
I don't play professionally, Ijust play for fun.
Now I have a piano, a playerpiano, a mechanical player piano
.
That's a gift from my dad andit's just a beautiful, beautiful
(12:22):
instrument.
It's so fun to play.
And then I recently have gottena collection of singing bowls
quartz crystal singing bowls.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
Okay, I've heard of this.
Yes, we talked about it lastnight.
Yeah, I want to hear a littlebit more about singing bowls.
Speaker 4 (12:36):
Yeah, they are tuned to a specific frequency that can
allow you to be put into aparasympathetic state within
about an hour, and it's just,it's.
They're beautiful, beautiful,they ring for so long they have.
They have such a just justgorgeous, magical sound.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
Is that a percussion device?
You hit it, or how does it?
Speaker 4 (13:04):
That's a good question.
I'd consider it percussion.
I would consider it percussion.
You do use a mallet and youkind of ding and then you use
the mallet to go on the outsideof the bowl to create that
vibration.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Have you heard of these?
Is this something you knowabout?
Speaker 3 (13:24):
Yeah, I hadn't heard them by that name before, but
yes, I'm familiar with theinstrument.
Speaker 4 (13:29):
I can get you a picture too.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Yeah, that's fascinating to me, and so do you
play those as well, like youknow how to.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
I can play those.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Yes, you know how to create music from them.
Yes, yes, got it.
Wow.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
And I'm working on a second commission right now, and
that commission is by KarenNeffa Harmon.
She's a film composer and weare working together to create a
piece that is a gift for somany people, including myself.
The piece is going to be 90minutes and it will be a
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backtrack to a massage.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Ooh, okay.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
So I will be able to gift it to my clients.
Now, this piece is also goingto be dedicated to my new family
, my birth family.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
Whom we have located now.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Now you're in communication with.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
Not yet.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
So they don't know.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
Not yet.
We have not reached out.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
But you know where they are.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
We know where they are.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Can you Facebook stalk them?
Speaker 4 (14:43):
I haven't got that far.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
What an idiotic question for me to ask.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
I'm here like a magic moment, but you're curious Well
.
I am like a magic mother, butyou're curious.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Well, I am.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
Yes, yes, that's okay , Like the process of they exist
.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Where are they?
What do they look like?
Do I have because this opens uplike every do I have cousins or
I have a brother.
Wow.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
And I sat on Santa's lap every year and asked for a
brother.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
No kidding.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
Having no idea, I already had one.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Wow, now I'm going to get weepy here.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
I have a grandmother.
We have not located my father.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Okay, did he and your birth mother separate?
Speaker 4 (15:37):
I'm not sure.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
Not sure yet.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
So what would you like to say to them?
I?
Speaker 4 (15:48):
would like to say to them so much.
I would like to tell them Iwant to know them, I have so
much hope.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Right.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
And that's actually the working title of the piece
Is hope.
That's the working title ofKaren's piece Wow is hope.
That's the working title ofKaren's piece.
Wow.
I'd like to tell them I wouldlike a relationship with them.
I would like to be authenticwith them.
I would like to be vulnerablewith them.
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I would like them to know thatwe're probably very different,
but that I'm willing to look atthe places where we're the same.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Right.
So is part of that finding yourbirth family or first family,
or however we're supposed to sayit?
I mean, that's got to becathartic for you when you, when
you grew up as an adopted child, you knew you were adopted.
Did that present any particularquestion or problem for you as
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a child?
Speaker 4 (17:02):
Not very much, honestly.
I, at eight years old, is whenI remember being curious.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
And I remember my parents were in bed reading the
newspaper and I walked in and Isat on the edge of the bed and I
kind of put my hands up likethis and I said I want to find
my birth mom.
And both newspapers just slowlycame down at the same time and
(17:30):
the conversation started and andthey said you know, honey, when
you're 18 we will help you dothat, but right now you're a
part of our family and um and we, we want to hold you here in
this space.
And I took that answer.
That was perfectly fine with meyeah.
Yeah.
I was.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
I was okay, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
I was okay to wait till I was 18.
18 rolled around, I went tocollege, had a boyfriend.
Lots of stuff was going on.
I wasn't.
I wasn't thinking about that Ihad.
I had a lot going on.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
So I yeah.
So it's got to feel interestingto have a new family.
You know, and this is going tosound weird, you know, you see
these stories about some guy myage and a child shows up and
says hey, dad, you know, and theguy didn't know, and there's
almost zero probability of thathappening in my life.
There are things that have tohappen prior to that that didn't
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happen, but I think that wouldbe so wonderful to find out that
you had a new family member.
And like is there anticipationhappening right now?
Is it interesting?
Speaker 4 (18:52):
There's tons of anticipation for me.
Like I said, I'm full of hope.
I'm in this time.
I will never be like this againJust absolutely full of hope.
I'm also very well aware thatthere may be lots of trauma
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around the event of my birth formy family, right?
I don't know their story, but Iwant to know it.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Yeah, like this is a movie sort of like.
I mean, I have a keen interestas your friend, but just the the
life story about what'sunfolding right in front of you
and this is beautiful, yeah, sowhat?
Uh, what's the plan like?
I kind of want to hear what theplan is the plan is to make
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contact.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
The plan is to send a letter and a picture and let
them know that I've beenthinking about them.
Let them know how I am, letthem know that I'm successful,
let them know that my parentshave passed.
The next thing is to reach outand hope for the best.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
And that'll happen with a traditional letter, with
a stamp and all that kind ofstuff.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
Most likely a liaison .
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Okay, can you imagine .
I mean, this is hard for me toimagine.
In fact, you know what this isso hard for me to imagine?
Why don't we take a commercialbreak?
Okay, if I can dab my eyes andwe'll pick this up here just in
a moment.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
All right, what you got.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
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Thank you for that that was a nice ad we are here
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Bonnie Lynn Page and we aretalking about adoption.
She is the owner of MarvelousMassage and maybe we'll get a
chance to talk about that.
We do not have a time limittoday because this topic, it's a
big topic, it's essentialthere's so many people that will
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listen to this show and findsome strength and some hope that
may not have otherwise existed.
So thank you for having theguts I guess is thanks for
having being brave to come outand share this, because I don't
know, this is not easy, right,like this topic is not easy.
This topic is necessary to betalked about, right, but you
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said you have lots of hope.
Speaker 4 (21:45):
I do.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
The corollary question is there some fear
present?
Speaker 4 (21:50):
Of course.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:51):
Yes, like I said, the events of my birth before two
days old.
I don't know my story yet,right, and that story could be
very traumatic for others, right, and so I am very respectful of
that, right, and so I am veryrespectful of that.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Right.
Speaker 4 (22:15):
I'm very cautious of that and I know I may be
rejected because of that.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
I can't even imagine that.
That part's hard to imagine.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
Very difficult.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
So you said there might be a liaison.
Is that just one person whogoes and does your bidding for
you?
Speaker 4 (22:34):
so this is a good family friend who knew my father
since high school okay and hedoes the one that has located
them for me he knew yourbiological father he knew my
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adoptive father oh, your adoptedfather, yes, my, adoptive
father and he has offered to tohelp.
His name is dave way to go,dave.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Yes, there's another famous dave in adoption, the guy
that owned Wendy's.
Yes, wendy's yeah he was adoptedand he's got a whole great
adoption story.
But we're here with Bonnie andhearing her adoption story and
it is amazing.
I'm just going through all thethings in my brain like what
this might be like and how doesit play out?
(23:29):
I does it play out.
You know I'm sitting withsomebody whose life really
should be a movie and anyway, Iappreciate you sharing with us.
Well, so you have a new familythat you don't know yet.
What about your current family?
Let's talk about the how yourcurrent family is composed.
Speaker 4 (23:48):
My current family is my boyfriend's family and my
chosen family.
They are so supportive, soencouraging of me, such
wonderful people.
His mother would burn shelvesfor me to put in my office to
display product to put in myoffice to display product.
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His dad takes me fishing andout on the boat.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
His brother and his wife are just fantastic people.
I love to hang out with them.
His nieces and nephews arewonderful.
In fact one of them isinterning for me and she is
washing sheets and foldingsheets and washing bottles and
(24:36):
doing all the behind the scenesat Marvelous.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Massage Therapy.
Well, that's I mean, that's afamily affair, and that's, and
that's I mean, your boyfriend isyour chosen family.
Your spouse is your chosenfamily.
What about?
Are there any pets in the mix?
Speaker 4 (24:47):
Yes, so I have a cat.
Her name is Kitty KittyBagheera, and a new addition to
the family is coming, and it isa Dalmatian dog.
She's eight years old.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
We're going to call her Demi, and she has cataracts.
She has a little blurry vision.
She's a rescue.
Her owner went into assistedliving, oh man.
And we are just thrilled to begetting her next week.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
So newest addition to your family shows up next week.
You also had Dalmatians as achild.
We have a picture of one, yes,so we're going full circle.
Speaker 5 (25:28):
This kind of comes full circle.
Yeah, wow, full circle.
So, so we're going full circle.
This kind of comes full circle.
Yeah, wow, full circle.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
So I think we need to have a party for the new puppy,
like a welcome home party.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
I would love that yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
I'm in you in.
Speaker 4 (25:38):
Sure why?
Speaker 2 (25:39):
not that sounds like the most fun to me.
Will you keep a dog at youroffice Like, is this an office
dog?
Speaker 4 (25:45):
Yeah, I would love to .
I don't know that my landlordwill be okay with that, but I
would love to.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Yes, I'd love to have a little bed in the corner, you
can bring your puppy here.
So one dog, one cat, but yougrew up with animals.
Speaker 4 (26:03):
Yes, yes.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
So you feel like right now that's pulling from
your past, because I grew upwith animals and I still have
animals and I'd have 10 more ifI could.
So you're just an animal person.
Speaker 5 (26:15):
Yes, I am Okay.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
So I understand there may be a name change in your
future.
Speaker 4 (26:23):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Tell us about that.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
Yeah, that has to do with my current family as well.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (26:29):
My adoptive mother.
Her mother is still alive mygrandmother.
Oh great.
My grandfather has since passedand I identify so much with that
family, with that side of thefamily Right, and I would like
to change my name to Barton.
I would like to change my nameto my mother's maiden name to
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honor and respect my grandfather.
He was a pilot in World War II.
He flew a B-26.
He got a Purple Heart, alongwith about 10 other medals from
France and other countries, andI'm very proud to be his
granddaughter.
Yeah, I'm wearing a ring thathe gave my grandmother to ask
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her to marry her, and this wasgiven to me when I graduated
high school.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Wow, so that was the ring your grandfather gave to
your grandmother?
Was that?
Was that called a promise ringback in the day, or?
Speaker 4 (27:30):
something Maybe, yeah , a promise ring, promise ring.
Yeah, that sounds right.
You need to look that up.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
I never got one or gave one, but uh, I've heard of
them.
Wow, so name change like thiswould be a legal name change and
go through.
Yes, wow, when.
When will that be happening?
Speaker 4 (27:46):
I'm not sure, but but in my near future oh, that is
so cool.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
I thought you going to tell me you're getting
married, or you had to give mesomething that's a lot more
special.
Well, congratulations on that.
Speaker 4 (27:59):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
So how are things in the business world?
Speaker 4 (28:03):
They're wonderful.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (28:05):
And I'm looking forward to sharing this story
with my clients.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
Yeah, well, tell us a little more about what's going
on over at your business.
Yeah.
Because, I know you're doingwell and highly respected in the
community, and you love whatyou do and that shows.
So we're always eager to learna little bit more.
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (28:21):
Thank you.
Well, I just started phase twowith some office artwork
actually.
So I have two canvases in myoffice and we've been working on
them for about eight months now, and what I've done is put an
imprint of my hands on thecanvas and, before their massage
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, they write how they're feelingon the outside of this hand,
and then, after their massage,they write how they're feeling
on the outside of this hand, andthen, after their massage, they
write how they're feeling onthe inside of this hand oh.
So after eight months we havecompletely filled up the outside
of this hand and the inside ofthis hand.
So phase two is actuallypainting their hands and putting
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handprints on the canvas in theblank space.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Of your clients.
Yes, oh, my gosh.
Speaker 4 (29:11):
Yeah, so it's a piece of collaborative artwork
between myself and my clients,and I tell them you know, the
hand is an extension of ourbrains.
Our hands are how we learn,they're how we love, they're how
we heal, and that's why I wantto have an imprint of their
hands in my office.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
You know one of my best things in kindergarten,
where I'm from, you had thisround concrete thing and you put
your hand in it and it is theonly thing I retained from my
childhood.
I still have it and I treasureit because I still go in there
and go oh my gosh, how littlewere my hands.
And yeah, so well, that'sbeautiful.
(29:53):
And who's so?
You just hands in paint on thedeal.
Speaker 4 (29:58):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
Wow, see, that's art I could probably do.
Speaker 4 (30:01):
Well, I paint their hands.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Oh, you do, I paint it with a brush, you do Okay.
Speaker 4 (30:05):
And we have a conversation and yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
You're unusual.
You're such a bright light, Idon't know.
I'm glad you live in this worldWell.
So anything else that we wantto talk about about your
business, before we do theannual or the daily business
nugget.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
I think that's it.
Yeah, I think I think we'vecovered everything there.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
Okay, well, what you have?
Marvelous massage, but you havea marvelous life.
Like you kind of live in thesunshine and it's interesting to
watch you do that.
Our story today is aboutadoption and going through this
process.
I mean and you use the wordjourney what a journey it is to
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go and discover another part ofyour life.
You know that we would call thefirst family or the first
family.
You know, I think this is.
I mean, we want to keep up withthis.
Is there someplace you'redocumenting this, either audio
or video, or is it you?
(31:10):
I just want to see the rest ofthe story.
Speaker 4 (31:14):
I have personal ways of documenting this.
I may be sharing that on mybusiness page or somehow I'm not
sure how, but either on abusiness page or a podcast,
somehow.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
If you do like a video guy.
I do know a video guy, I doknow a video guy.
Anyway, bonnie, what a great,great story.
I want to thank you for sharingit with us, but you're also a
gifted entrepreneur and at theend of every one of these cash
flows, we like to do a thingcalled the business nugget.
Yes, and we'd like to hear fromyou on that as well.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
Well, for me, my business nugget today is to
treat everyone kindly.
Treat everyone with empathy.
You never know what they'regoing through.
You never know what they'vebeen through that day.
You don't know what they'vebeen through that week and
throughout their life.
Treat people kindly.
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Treat people like family.
You don't know if they're yourfamily.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
Wouldn't that be interesting.
Wow, all right, that's prettygood, that's pretty deep right
there.
I like it All right.
Well, with that, I guess we canwrap up for the day.
Bonnie Lynn Page.
Maybe Bonnie Lynn.
Martin Wow.
What a tremendous story we gotto hear today here and we wish
you the very, very best.
(32:37):
But do it quickly so I can findout I think we could wrap this
up by next week what a thingyou're going through.
I mean, this is just prolific.
This is a big most humans don'tgo through this thing.
You're going through what?
I mean, this is just prolific.
This is a big that most humansdon't go through.
This thing you're going throughand uh, and we're going to go
through it with you over here onthe side admiring, uh, your
(32:58):
attitude and um, and it seemslike you have a lot of gratitude
towards all of this that youcan go do it and and I know
there's fear and I know there'shope more hope than fear yes,
there's a.
Speaker 4 (33:09):
There's a lot more hope than fear.
Yes, there's a lot more hopethan fear.
Gratitude is a tricky word.
I don't think any adopteeshould have to feel gratitude.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (33:21):
We start our lives with trauma.
There's nothing to be gratefulfor.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
Sure, yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 4 (33:28):
But I personally am grateful for what I was given.
I'm personally grateful for mylife.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (33:39):
It wasn't all happy, it wasn't all roses.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (33:43):
Yeah, but I'm grateful, yes.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
What a great story we have brewing here in Tulsa and
Bonnie Lynn Page, thank you.
Marvelous Massage is whereBonnie Lynn Page works, or
that's her company that she hasdeveloped, and she's somebody
that we're very proud to know,and we love this story and thank
you for sharing it.
Speaker 4 (34:03):
Thank you.
Thank you for letting me share.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
You ready to wrap this up, sir?
Let's do it All right.
Well, here on Cash Flows, youknow, one of our goals is just
to encourage people a little bitto go take the next step.
I played with Hot Wheels as akid and they made these little
machines that had two rubberbumpers that spun alternatively
and when a car would go throughit would just spit it out.
And sometimes you just needthat little Hot Wheels house to
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just vault you down the nextstraightaway so that you can get
to the next objective in yourlife.
And we think a great thing todo and we close every show with
this, and this is no exception,but something great that you can
do today.
Whoever's listening this, youcan go out today and forgive
somebody.
You know I find myself havingto do that on a regular basis
(34:51):
and I pray that the people in myrealm would do the same with me
as we all go through, and youknow we all have our own
trespasses that we have to dealwith.
And anyway, so just for today,for no apparent reason, find
somebody that you feelcomfortable forgiving and let
them know about it if you can,and I think you remove a
(35:12):
stumbling block from your lifewhen you do that.
I know that that's worked forme and and I hope that you're
able to take that and dosomething magic with it.
So, on behalf of KennethBauckham and Bonnie Lynn Page
our guest today and all of ushere at the Cash Flows podcast,
thank you for being here todayand we look forward to our next
session.
Thank you, mr Kenna.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
That's our show for today.
Stay tuned for another rivetingedition of Cash Flows.
Hello, entrepreneurs, dreamers, business owners and
happy people with high hopes.
Welcome to Cash Flows with yourhost, cash Matthews.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Okay, welcome to another riveting edition of Cash
Flows.
I'm Cash Matthews here today inTulsa, oklahoma, with our
executive producer, mr KennethBuckham.
Kenneth, say hello, hello,how's it going?
You know today's going to be agreat show.
I've been looking forward tothis particular one for a little
while, but things are goingwell.
You know, I'm glad to be backfor season two of Cash Flows.
(00:38):
Oh man, it's awesome.
Can you believe it?
We made it through season one.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
We did.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Yeah, you've now produced 108 podcasts and videos
and all that kind of stuffkicking through to 109 here yeah
, man, that's 109, anybody cando 108 and that's just, and
that's just this show yeah, well, you know this is going to be a
great show, this is going to beone for the record books, I
think.
And uh, we have as our guesttoday bonnie lynn page and you
(01:04):
know, kenn, kenneth and Inormally have a lot of frivolity
in the front of our show, buttoday we just wanted to jump
right in and introduce you to avery special guest and about a
very special topic, and we areglad you're here, bonnie.
Thanks for coming back for yoursecond version of the podcast.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
Thanks for having me, yeah the first one did great.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
You were so lively and it was great.
Today we're going to have alittle bit different show, a
little bit different topic,though we are a personal
self-development business kindof show.
I think today's topic isphenomenal and I can't wait to
talk about it and I'm just eager.
But the last time that you werehere you mentioned having
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adoptive parents and we want todig in a little bit to that.
We want to hear about yourjourney.
You know one of the cool thingsyou did you brought your
mother's clown nose in a thingand I don't know why I found so
much favor in that.
I just thought it was one ofthe coolest things.
So tell us a little bit aboutyour journey through adoption.
(02:08):
Yes, and that'll be our topictoday.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
Absolutely Well.
I was adopted when I was twodays old, oh my gosh.
I've always known that I wasadopted, but my parents and
myself knew nothing about mybirth family.
So it was just the three of usand I was born in Oklahoma City.
My parents at the time were inNew Jersey and they were on a
(02:37):
work trip and they got a callfrom the attorney and the
attorney said hey, I have a babyin my arms, come home.
And my parents just franticallytried to get on a plane and get
home to see me.
They say my mother went up theelevator at the attorney's
office and the attorney met herat the elevator and said wait
here.
And she ran past him and ran,ran to that office to see me.
(03:01):
They were so excited and Ibrought the picture when my
parents first met me.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Oh, wow.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
If you'd like to take a look.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
So that is my part of my story.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
That's remarkable.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
I grew up in a lovely , lovely home.
We had an urban farm.
We lived in Edmond, oklahoma,but we had four acres, so we had
chickens, goats, hamsters, ahedgehog, and actually at the
last podcast we talked about howI grew up as a clown right and
(03:43):
the hedgehog was so funny theythought it looked like a clown
because it had the big noseright and so we'd always just
giggle and laugh and say, oh, wehave another clown in the
family.
The three animals that Iremember the most were the
dalmatians yeah inky dinky and.
Three of them, and I have apicture here for you to see of
(04:07):
me with Inky.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Oh man.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
She was the first one .
Speaker 2 (04:10):
What a great way to grow up.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
It was a great way to grow up, and this is still in
Edmond here.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Yes, and it looks like it's Halloween time because
the Halloween leaf bags are out.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
Yep, what a cool picture.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Can you put these up at some point are out.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
What a cool picture.
Can you put these up at somepoint?
Oh, yeah, for sure.
Yeah, you can do your magic.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
Well, those are great photographs, Thank you.
Music was also a very importantpart of our lives.
In fact, my mother had meplaying violin at age four and
she would go to every lessonwith me, take notes, make sure I
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practiced at home.
And around age six is when westarted going to violin camp,
and at violin camp both of myparents came with me and they
took notes during the lessonsand they wanted to see all the
performances.
So it was kind of a family campevent.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
So were you the only child of that family.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
Yes, I was.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
And that's I mean.
The story is phenomenal andlike I would like to dig into it
for hours.
But and I know I've got somequestions to ask you, but you
know there's some a lot ofpeople talk about adoption.
My wife and I you know Katieand we had struggles conceiving
a child for seven years and wetalked about it and you know I
(05:29):
was really shocked about the waypeople talk to us about it.
Her father even said well, youknow you don't want to do that
because you know, how could youlove somebody that's not
biologically yours?
I'm like well, I'm marryingyour daughter, she's not
biologically mine, and just thewhole world of adoption.
(05:50):
But I mean, were you adoptedthrough an agency?
You said there was an attorneyinvolved, but was there?
Speaker 4 (05:59):
an agency involved as well?
I'm not familiar with that sideof the story.
I don't know there was anattorney involved but I don't
know about an agency.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Wow, but you grew up in the right way.
You grew up with animals.
I sure did, and you grew upwith music.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
I grew up with music and this necklace actually my
father bought for my mother atviolin camp.
They had a little gift shopthere and it's a violin bridge.
It's a gold violin bridge.
The sad part of the story isthat my mother passed when I was
13, and my father got thisspecial hook for the necklace
(06:44):
and gave it to me and made sureit wasn't going to come off as a
child.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
Wow.
So he, he made sure to to get agood clasp, um, when he gave it
to me, um, I went on to studymusic in college and I went on
to study on to study music andwork with a new music ensemble
called Latitude 49.
And they are so important in mylife to me, an important part
(07:15):
of my life they what they liketo do is work with living
composers.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Right.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
Okay, so they like to commission new music for them
to play that no one's ever heardbefore.
Wow, and so I started workingwith them and found that that
was a passion of mine as well.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Okay, so you commission music, you're
inventing something completelynew.
You're not just playingBeethoven and Bach, you're
playing Bonnie.
Right.
Wow, yes, so you grew up aroundmusic, you grew up in violin
school and then the band again,or is it?
Can I do?
I call it a band.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
You can call it a band, yeah, latitude.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Latitude 49.
Where's the name come from?
Speaker 4 (07:59):
Latitude 49 is the latitude between Canada and the
United States, the Michiganborder.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Right.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
So the original group members there are six group
members and the original groupmembers, half of them were from
Canada and half of them werefrom Michigan.
Okay, so we took that border,that latitude, and just made the
name of the band.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Wow, and where did you meet the Latitude?
49 people, was that in school?
Speaker 4 (08:24):
I met them in school.
Yeah, at Michigan StateUniversity.
I wasn't going there, but I wasvery involved in the school
there, right, and that's where Imet them.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
So you made music, you commissioned music, you
wrote music.
I'm guessing you recorded it.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
Yes, they record tons of music.
You can see on their websitetoo, and they're on Spotify.
They're on Apple Music.
They record tons of music.
You can see on their websitetoo, and they're on Spotify.
They're on Apple Music, they'reeverywhere.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Latitude 49.
So I guess we're shouting themout here.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
Latitude 49 on Spotify right where you find
cash flows.
Yes.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
And are you in any of those?
Speaker 4 (08:57):
I was the director of operations for this group.
So, I did the behind-the-sceneswork.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Got it, yeah, but that's I mean so kind of a
producer as well.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
I'm currently a board member.
That's my current title.
Ah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
I have somebody famous in the house today here,
that is awesome.
So tell me about the type ofmusic that they're doing.
Is this classical stuff?
Speaker 4 (09:22):
Yes, it's classical music that they are doing Now.
I have also commissioned my ownworks and that is those two
pieces.
So one piece, the first one iscalled Thick as Thieves and it
was commissioned by my goodfriend Brianna Gaither.
(09:43):
And it was commissioned by mygood friend Brianna Gaither, and
that piece is a piece about asignificant event in my life,
with my adoptive mother.
There was just a time when shewas very, very vulnerable with
me.
She was going through cancertreatments at the time and she
(10:04):
wasn't very healthy physicallyand we weren't sleeping neither
of us so we went for a midnightswim and we stayed up all night
and we watched the sunrise.
(10:24):
And that song is about myadoptive mother and our
relationship and how we werethick as thieves, how we were
best friends and we can findthat on.
Speaker 5 (10:31):
Spotify.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
I don't know if she's published that I may have to.
We may have to listen to alittle bit of that in here.
I can get you that recording.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
Yeah, I think we need to find that yeah let's do it,
you you do your magic over it.
Speaker 5 (10:52):
Well, yeah, we'll do some magic.
We'll insert right here, okay,for kindness.
Your legacy is resilience, andwe savored every moment and we
savored every moment.
We were thick as thieves.
You were the world around me.
We were swim buddies.
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I thought I'd drown without you, but you taught me, you taught
me, you taught me, you taught meTo swim.
You made me good at it, youtaught me, you taught me.
You taught me, you taught me tolive.
I'm not scared of it anymoreAnymore.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Anymore, you commission music.
Now I mean talk about yourmusical life.
Mine is playing the stereo andhacking on the guitar.
What instruments do you play?
Speaker 4 (11:59):
My musical life is very rich.
I've played violin since I wasfour.
I don't play professionally, Ijust play for fun.
Now I have a piano, a playerpiano, a mechanical player piano
.
That's a gift from my dad andit's just a beautiful, beautiful
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instrument.
It's so fun to play.
And then I recently have gottena collection of singing bowls
quartz crystal singing bowls.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
Okay, I've heard of this.
Yes, we talked about it lastnight.
Yeah, I want to hear a littlebit more about singing bowls.
Speaker 4 (12:36):
Yeah, they are tuned to a specific frequency that can
allow you to be put into aparasympathetic state within
about an hour, and it's just,it's.
They're beautiful, beautiful,they ring for so long they have.
They have such a just justgorgeous, magical sound.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
Is that a percussion device?
You hit it, or how does it?
Speaker 4 (13:04):
That's a good question.
I'd consider it percussion.
I would consider it percussion.
You do use a mallet and youkind of ding and then you use
the mallet to go on the outsideof the bowl to create that
vibration.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Have you heard of these?
Is this something you knowabout?
Speaker 3 (13:24):
Yeah, I hadn't heard them by that name before, but
yes, I'm familiar with theinstrument.
Speaker 4 (13:29):
I can get you a picture too.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Yeah, that's fascinating to me, and so do you
play those as well, like youknow how to.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
I can play those.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Yes, you know how to create music from them.
Yes, yes, got it.
Wow.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
And I'm working on a second commission right now, and
that commission is by KarenNeffa Harmon.
She's a film composer and weare working together to create a
piece that is a gift for somany people, including myself.
The piece is going to be 90minutes and it will be a
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backtrack to a massage.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Ooh, okay.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
So I will be able to gift it to my clients.
Now, this piece is also goingto be dedicated to my new family
, my birth family.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
Whom we have located now.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Now you're in communication with.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
Not yet.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
So they don't know.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
Not yet.
We have not reached out.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
But you know where they are.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
We know where they are.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Can you Facebook stalk them?
Speaker 4 (14:43):
I haven't got that far.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
What an idiotic question for me to ask.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
I'm here like a magic moment, but you're curious Well
.
I am like a magic mother, butyou're curious.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Well, I am.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
Yes, yes, that's okay , Like the process of they exist
.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Where are they?
What do they look like?
Do I have because this opens uplike every do I have cousins or
I have a brother.
Wow.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
And I sat on Santa's lap every year and asked for a
brother.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
No kidding.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
Having no idea, I already had one.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Wow, now I'm going to get weepy here.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
I have a grandmother.
We have not located my father.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Okay, did he and your birth mother separate?
Speaker 4 (15:37):
I'm not sure.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
Not sure yet.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
So what would you like to say to them?
I?
Speaker 4 (15:48):
would like to say to them so much.
I would like to tell them Iwant to know them, I have so
much hope.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Right.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
And that's actually the working title of the piece
Is hope.
That's the working title ofKaren's piece Wow is hope.
That's the working title ofKaren's piece.
Wow.
I'd like to tell them I wouldlike a relationship with them.
I would like to be authenticwith them.
I would like to be vulnerablewith them.
(16:25):
I would like them to know thatwe're probably very different,
but that I'm willing to look atthe places where we're the same.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Right.
So is part of that finding yourbirth family or first family,
or however we're supposed to sayit?
I mean, that's got to becathartic for you when you, when
you grew up as an adopted child, you knew you were adopted.
Did that present any particularquestion or problem for you as
(17:00):
a child?
Speaker 4 (17:02):
Not very much, honestly.
I, at eight years old, is whenI remember being curious.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
And I remember my parents were in bed reading the
newspaper and I walked in and Isat on the edge of the bed and I
kind of put my hands up likethis and I said I want to find
my birth mom.
And both newspapers just slowlycame down at the same time and
(17:30):
the conversation started and andthey said you know, honey, when
you're 18 we will help you dothat, but right now you're a
part of our family and um and we, we want to hold you here in
this space.
And I took that answer.
That was perfectly fine with meyeah.
Yeah.
I was.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
I was okay, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
I was okay to wait till I was 18.
18 rolled around, I went tocollege, had a boyfriend.
Lots of stuff was going on.
I wasn't.
I wasn't thinking about that Ihad.
I had a lot going on.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
So I yeah.
So it's got to feel interestingto have a new family.
You know, and this is going tosound weird, you know, you see
these stories about some guy myage and a child shows up and
says hey, dad, you know, and theguy didn't know, and there's
almost zero probability of thathappening in my life.
There are things that have tohappen prior to that that didn't
(18:40):
happen, but I think that wouldbe so wonderful to find out that
you had a new family member.
And like is there anticipationhappening right now?
Is it interesting?
Speaker 4 (18:52):
There's tons of anticipation for me.
Like I said, I'm full of hope.
I'm in this time.
I will never be like this againJust absolutely full of hope.
I'm also very well aware thatthere may be lots of trauma
(19:14):
around the event of my birth formy family, right?
I don't know their story, but Iwant to know it.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Yeah, like this is a movie sort of like.
I mean, I have a keen interestas your friend, but just the the
life story about what'sunfolding right in front of you
and this is beautiful, yeah, sowhat?
Uh, what's the plan like?
I kind of want to hear what theplan is the plan is to make
(19:45):
contact.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
The plan is to send a letter and a picture and let
them know that I've beenthinking about them.
Let them know how I am, letthem know that I'm successful,
let them know that my parentshave passed.
The next thing is to reach outand hope for the best.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
And that'll happen with a traditional letter, with
a stamp and all that kind ofstuff.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
Most likely a liaison .
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Okay, can you imagine .
I mean, this is hard for me toimagine.
In fact, you know what this isso hard for me to imagine?
Why don't we take a commercialbreak?
Okay, if I can dab my eyes andwe'll pick this up here just in
a moment.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
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Speaker 2 (20:57):
Thank you for that that was a nice ad we are here
today with.
Bonnie Lynn Page and we aretalking about adoption.
She is the owner of MarvelousMassage and maybe we'll get a
chance to talk about that.
We do not have a time limittoday because this topic, it's a
big topic, it's essentialthere's so many people that will
(21:18):
listen to this show and findsome strength and some hope that
may not have otherwise existed.
So thank you for having theguts I guess is thanks for
having being brave to come outand share this, because I don't
know, this is not easy, right,like this topic is not easy.
This topic is necessary to betalked about, right, but you
(21:44):
said you have lots of hope.
Speaker 4 (21:45):
I do.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
The corollary question is there some fear
present?
Speaker 4 (21:50):
Of course.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:51):
Yes, like I said, the events of my birth before two
days old.
I don't know my story yet,right, and that story could be
very traumatic for others, right, and so I am very respectful of
that, right, and so I am veryrespectful of that.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Right.
Speaker 4 (22:15):
I'm very cautious of that and I know I may be
rejected because of that.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
I can't even imagine that.
That part's hard to imagine.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
Very difficult.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
So you said there might be a liaison.
Is that just one person whogoes and does your bidding for
you?
Speaker 4 (22:34):
so this is a good family friend who knew my father
since high school okay and hedoes the one that has located
them for me he knew yourbiological father he knew my
(22:56):
adoptive father oh, your adoptedfather, yes, my, adoptive
father and he has offered to tohelp.
His name is dave way to go,dave.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Yes, there's another famous dave in adoption, the guy
that owned Wendy's.
Yes, wendy's yeah he was adoptedand he's got a whole great
adoption story.
But we're here with Bonnie andhearing her adoption story and
it is amazing.
I'm just going through all thethings in my brain like what
this might be like and how doesit play out?
(23:29):
I does it play out.
You know I'm sitting withsomebody whose life really
should be a movie and anyway, Iappreciate you sharing with us.
Well, so you have a new familythat you don't know yet.
What about your current family?
Let's talk about the how yourcurrent family is composed.
Speaker 4 (23:48):
My current family is my boyfriend's family and my
chosen family.
They are so supportive, soencouraging of me, such
wonderful people.
His mother would burn shelvesfor me to put in my office to
display product to put in myoffice to display product.
(24:10):
His dad takes me fishing andout on the boat.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
His brother and his wife are just fantastic people.
I love to hang out with them.
His nieces and nephews arewonderful.
In fact one of them isinterning for me and she is
washing sheets and foldingsheets and washing bottles and
(24:36):
doing all the behind the scenesat Marvelous.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Massage Therapy.
Well, that's I mean, that's afamily affair, and that's, and
that's I mean, your boyfriend isyour chosen family.
Your spouse is your chosenfamily.
What about?
Are there any pets in the mix?
Speaker 4 (24:47):
Yes, so I have a cat.
Her name is Kitty KittyBagheera, and a new addition to
the family is coming, and it isa Dalmatian dog.
She's eight years old.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
We're going to call her Demi, and she has cataracts.
She has a little blurry vision.
She's a rescue.
Her owner went into assistedliving, oh man.
And we are just thrilled to begetting her next week.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
So newest addition to your family shows up next week.
You also had Dalmatians as achild.
We have a picture of one, yes,so we're going full circle.
Speaker 5 (25:28):
This kind of comes full circle.
Yeah, wow, full circle.
So, so we're going full circle.
This kind of comes full circle.
Yeah, wow, full circle.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
So I think we need to have a party for the new puppy,
like a welcome home party.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
I would love that yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
I'm in you in.
Speaker 4 (25:38):
Sure why?
Speaker 2 (25:39):
not that sounds like the most fun to me.
Will you keep a dog at youroffice Like, is this an office
dog?
Speaker 4 (25:45):
Yeah, I would love to .
I don't know that my landlordwill be okay with that, but I
would love to.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Yes, I'd love to have a little bed in the corner, you
can bring your puppy here.
So one dog, one cat, but yougrew up with animals.
Speaker 4 (26:03):
Yes, yes.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
So you feel like right now that's pulling from
your past, because I grew upwith animals and I still have
animals and I'd have 10 more ifI could.
So you're just an animal person.
Speaker 5 (26:15):
Yes, I am Okay.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
So I understand there may be a name change in your
future.
Speaker 4 (26:23):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Tell us about that.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
Yeah, that has to do with my current family as well.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (26:29):
My adoptive mother.
Her mother is still alive mygrandmother.
Oh great.
My grandfather has since passedand I identify so much with that
family, with that side of thefamily Right, and I would like
to change my name to Barton.
I would like to change my nameto my mother's maiden name to
(26:51):
honor and respect my grandfather.
He was a pilot in World War II.
He flew a B-26.
He got a Purple Heart, alongwith about 10 other medals from
France and other countries, andI'm very proud to be his
granddaughter.
Yeah, I'm wearing a ring thathe gave my grandmother to ask
(27:16):
her to marry her, and this wasgiven to me when I graduated
high school.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Wow, so that was the ring your grandfather gave to
your grandmother?
Was that?
Was that called a promise ringback in the day, or?
Speaker 4 (27:30):
something Maybe, yeah , a promise ring, promise ring.
Yeah, that sounds right.
You need to look that up.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
I never got one or gave one, but uh, I've heard of
them.
Wow, so name change like thiswould be a legal name change and
go through.
Yes, wow, when.
When will that be happening?
Speaker 4 (27:46):
I'm not sure, but but in my near future oh, that is
so cool.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
I thought you going to tell me you're getting
married, or you had to give mesomething that's a lot more
special.
Well, congratulations on that.
Speaker 4 (27:59):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
So how are things in the business world?
Speaker 4 (28:03):
They're wonderful.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (28:05):
And I'm looking forward to sharing this story
with my clients.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
Yeah, well, tell us a little more about what's going
on over at your business.
Yeah.
Because, I know you're doingwell and highly respected in the
community, and you love whatyou do and that shows.
So we're always eager to learna little bit more.
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (28:21):
Thank you.
Well, I just started phase twowith some office artwork
actually.
So I have two canvases in myoffice and we've been working on
them for about eight months now, and what I've done is put an
imprint of my hands on thecanvas and, before their massage
(28:45):
, they write how they're feelingon the outside of this hand,
and then, after their massage,they write how they're feeling
on the outside of this hand, andthen, after their massage, they
write how they're feeling onthe inside of this hand oh.
So after eight months we havecompletely filled up the outside
of this hand and the inside ofthis hand.
So phase two is actuallypainting their hands and putting
(29:06):
handprints on the canvas in theblank space.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Of your clients.
Yes, oh, my gosh.
Speaker 4 (29:11):
Yeah, so it's a piece of collaborative artwork
between myself and my clients,and I tell them you know, the
hand is an extension of ourbrains.
Our hands are how we learn,they're how we love, they're how
we heal, and that's why I wantto have an imprint of their
hands in my office.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
You know one of my best things in kindergarten,
where I'm from, you had thisround concrete thing and you put
your hand in it and it is theonly thing I retained from my
childhood.
I still have it and I treasureit because I still go in there
and go oh my gosh, how littlewere my hands.
And yeah, so well, that'sbeautiful.
(29:53):
And who's so?
You just hands in paint on thedeal.
Speaker 4 (29:58):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
Wow, see, that's art I could probably do.
Speaker 4 (30:01):
Well, I paint their hands.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Oh, you do, I paint it with a brush, you do Okay.
Speaker 4 (30:05):
And we have a conversation and yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
You're unusual.
You're such a bright light, Idon't know.
I'm glad you live in this worldWell.
So anything else that we wantto talk about about your
business, before we do theannual or the daily business
nugget.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
I think that's it.
Yeah, I think I think we'vecovered everything there.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
Okay, well, what you have?
Marvelous massage, but you havea marvelous life.
Like you kind of live in thesunshine and it's interesting to
watch you do that.
Our story today is aboutadoption and going through this
process.
I mean and you use the wordjourney what a journey it is to
(30:50):
go and discover another part ofyour life.
You know that we would call thefirst family or the first
family.
You know, I think this is.
I mean, we want to keep up withthis.
Is there someplace you'redocumenting this, either audio
or video, or is it you?
(31:10):
I just want to see the rest ofthe story.
Speaker 4 (31:14):
I have personal ways of documenting this.
I may be sharing that on mybusiness page or somehow I'm not
sure how, but either on abusiness page or a podcast,
somehow.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
If you do like a video guy.
I do know a video guy, I doknow a video guy.
Anyway, bonnie, what a great,great story.
I want to thank you for sharingit with us, but you're also a
gifted entrepreneur and at theend of every one of these cash
flows, we like to do a thingcalled the business nugget.
Yes, and we'd like to hear fromyou on that as well.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
Well, for me, my business nugget today is to
treat everyone kindly.
Treat everyone with empathy.
You never know what they'regoing through.
You never know what they'vebeen through that day.
You don't know what they'vebeen through that week and
throughout their life.
Treat people kindly.
(32:10):
Treat people like family.
You don't know if they're yourfamily.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
Wouldn't that be interesting.
Wow, all right, that's prettygood, that's pretty deep right
there.
I like it All right.
Well, with that, I guess we canwrap up for the day.
Bonnie Lynn Page.
Maybe Bonnie Lynn.
Martin Wow.
What a tremendous story we gotto hear today here and we wish
you the very, very best.
(32:37):
But do it quickly so I can findout I think we could wrap this
up by next week what a thingyou're going through.
I mean, this is just prolific.
This is a big most humans don'tgo through this thing.
You're going through what?
I mean, this is just prolific.
This is a big that most humansdon't go through.
This thing you're going throughand uh, and we're going to go
through it with you over here onthe side admiring, uh, your
(32:58):
attitude and um, and it seemslike you have a lot of gratitude
towards all of this that youcan go do it and and I know
there's fear and I know there'shope more hope than fear yes,
there's a.
Speaker 4 (33:09):
There's a lot more hope than fear.
Yes, there's a lot more hopethan fear.
Gratitude is a tricky word.
I don't think any adopteeshould have to feel gratitude.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (33:21):
We start our lives with trauma.
There's nothing to be gratefulfor.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
Sure, yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 4 (33:28):
But I personally am grateful for what I was given.
I'm personally grateful for mylife.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (33:39):
It wasn't all happy, it wasn't all roses.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (33:43):
Yeah, but I'm grateful, yes.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
What a great story we have brewing here in Tulsa and
Bonnie Lynn Page, thank you.
Marvelous Massage is whereBonnie Lynn Page works, or
that's her company that she hasdeveloped, and she's somebody
that we're very proud to know,and we love this story and thank
you for sharing it.
Speaker 4 (34:03):
Thank you.
Thank you for letting me share.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
You ready to wrap this up, sir?
Let's do it All right.
Well, here on Cash Flows, youknow, one of our goals is just
to encourage people a little bitto go take the next step.
I played with Hot Wheels as akid and they made these little
machines that had two rubberbumpers that spun alternatively
and when a car would go throughit would just spit it out.
And sometimes you just needthat little Hot Wheels house to
(34:28):
just vault you down the nextstraightaway so that you can get
to the next objective in yourlife.
And we think a great thing todo and we close every show with
this, and this is no exception,but something great that you can
do today.
Whoever's listening this, youcan go out today and forgive
somebody.
You know I find myself havingto do that on a regular basis
(34:51):
and I pray that the people in myrealm would do the same with me
as we all go through, and youknow we all have our own
trespasses that we have to dealwith.
And anyway, so just for today,for no apparent reason, find
somebody that you feelcomfortable forgiving and let
them know about it if you can,and I think you remove a
(35:12):
stumbling block from your lifewhen you do that.
I know that that's worked forme and and I hope that you're
able to take that and dosomething magic with it.
So, on behalf of KennethBauckham and Bonnie Lynn Page
our guest today and all of ushere at the Cash Flows podcast,
thank you for being here todayand we look forward to our next
session.
Thank you, mr Kenna.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
That's our show for today.
Stay tuned for another rivetingedition of Cash Flows.
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