August 26, 2025 • 30 mins
Scaling past seven figures shouldn’t mean sacrificing your health, family, or freedom. Yet too many agency owners find themselves buried in broken systems, unclear handoffs, or team bottlenecks that steal time and drain margins.
That’s why I invited John Henao, Founder & CEO of Go Staffy and eWiser, who scaled his own digital agency to seven figures with a fully remote Colombian team. In this episode, John and I unpack how agency freedom comes not from chasing revenue, but from building sustainable systems, leveraging AI-ready teams, and making the right next hire at the right time.
You’ll hear how he grew from $15k MRR to seven figures in just over two years, why profit without freedom is a trap, and how to redesign operations so they stop breaking every time you hit a new revenue level. If you’ve been searching for practical strategies to reduce burnout, delegate smarter, and scale profitably, this episode gives you the blueprint.
Books Mentioned
- The 7 Habits of Highly Effective People by Stephen R. Covey
- Make Your Bed by Admiral William H. McRaven
- Atomic Habits by James Clear
- The Bible
Connect with John Henao on Instagram or Facebook at John Henao, or visit GoStaffy.com to explore how his team can help your agency scale sustainably. Keep an eye out for his upcoming book The Freedom Agency and his new podcast Go Accomplish More.
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Dr. William Attaway (00:00):
I'm excited today to have John Henao on the
podcast.
John is the founder and CEO ofGoStaffy, a virtual staffing
company that helps US-basedmarketing agencies grow with top
remote talent from Columbia.
Before starting GoStaffy, hebuilt his own digital agency,
ewiser, and scaled it to sevenfigures with a fully remote
(00:23):
Colombian team.
Now his mission is to helpother agency owners create real
freedom by delegating smarter,growing sustainably and building
businesses that support theirlifestyle.
John's currently working on hisupcoming book, the Freedom
Agency, which is all abouthelping agency owners to scale
(00:43):
sustainably using systems,remote teams and smart
delegation.
He's also launching a podcastsoon called Go Accomplish More,
where he'll be sharing realconversations with entrepreneurs
, agency leaders and highperformers about what it really
takes to grow Outside of work.
John's a proud dad, a man offaith, and he's passionate about
(01:07):
a healthy lifestyle, and you'lloften find him out on a walk
with his dog, chase.
John, I'm so glad you're here.
Thanks for being on the show.
John Henao (01:15):
Super excited, William.
It's a privilege to be on yourshow and my goal today is just
to share a lot of wisdom andhopefully one person can get
just one action item to takeaction and it's going to better
either their personal life ortheir agency.
So super excited to be here.
Dr. William Attaway (01:32):
Yeah, I'm looking forward to this.
We've been talking about havingyou on the show for quite a
while and I'm thrilled we madeit happen Absolutely.
This is going to be.
Intro (01:41):
Welcome to Catalytic Leadership, the podcast designed
to help leaders intentionallygrow and thrive.
Here is your host author andleadership and executive coach,
dr William Attaway.
Dr. William Attaway (01:58):
Let's start today with you sharing some of
your story with our listeners,particularly around your journey
and your development as aleader.
How did you get started All?
John Henao (02:09):
right.
Well, leadership for me hasbeen a journey right.
When I grew up, I alwaysstruggled.
I was that shy little kid, youknow, when I was back in, when I
was eight years old, 10 yearsold, and whenever class started
I wanted to hide behind thecovers and not read in front of
class.
I hated public speaking.
And so when I started gettinginto self-development I would
(02:33):
say in college, I startedreading books about business,
reading books aboutself-development, and I remember
reading a book, many, manyyears ago called the Seven
Habits of Highly EffectivePeople, which really changed my
life, getting closer to God, Ithink so.
I think my development as aleader started, I would say, in
college, but then it startedevolving.
(02:53):
Once I got intoentrepreneurship.
I started listening to TonyRobbins, you know, ed Milet, and
I started realizing that thesepeople are just like me.
Right, they have the samestruggles, they have the same
things that I'm going through,and what made the difference is
just building those habits right.
So, little by little, I startedapplying some of the habits
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that successful leaders applyand I started noticing a change,
started noticing how, if youjust do one good habit, that
good habit is going to lead toother good habits and it just
multiplies, right?
So it started, I would say,back in college and little by
little it's a work in progress,right?
You know I'm still trying tofigure it out in many areas in
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my life and just getting betteras a leader.
Dr. William Attaway (03:38):
I love that and I love the progressive
nature of it, John, and I thinkthat's something that's
important.
It didn't all happen at once.
John Henao (04:07):
John, and I think that's something that's
important.
It didn't all happen at itcomes to leadership, you start
realizing that what makes themdifferent is their habits right
and their discipline withinthose habits, and I think that
once you start applying thosetiny little habits in your life,
it just makes a differenceright?
One scenario is I never used tofix my bed.
I was a disaster when I wouldwake up, never fix my bed, and I
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can say that I'm proud.
It's been over five years thatI fix my bed.
Even if I'm in a hotel, I willfix my bed and it sounds
ridiculous, but that little tinyhabit will lead to great habits
in your life 100% little tinyhabit will lead to great habits
in your life.
Dr. William Attaway (04:44):
A hundred percent Fantastic book called
Make your Bed by I think it'sAdmiral McRaven.
Just a little short book, butman, what a difference.
That one thing can I totallyagree, Totally agree, Absolutely
.
So how did you get intomarketing?
John Henao (05:03):
So I was a print marketer back in the days.
That was one of my first majorbusinesses that I had.
Well, besides selling baseballcards when I was younger right,
I did a lot of entrepreneurthings, but my real major
business was I started gettinginto graphic design because I
really liked graphic design, andthen that led into becoming
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like a print broker, and back inthe days when postcards were
alive like right now, not thatmany people are ordering print
marketing.
That's why I started.
I started offering printmarketing and then that evolved
into offering more digital stuff, because most of my clients
were saying hey, do you offerwebsites, do you offer SEO?
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So those clients, those clients, eventually became my clients
because we started pivoting.
We started pivoting intooffering website design.
Then, from website design, westarted offering SEO.
Then, from SEO, we startedoffering social media.
So we started, we startedrecreating ourselves from from
the ground up, because we werenoticing that my audience was
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asking for it and that was backin.
That was back, gosh, you know20, 20, 20, 20, sorry, 2003.
Wow, it's been so long.
So that was back in 2003 whenwe did the shift, and little by
little yeah, I mean, this gameis about just shifting as you're
growing, because a lot of timeswe think like we have to stay
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in our lane forever.
But as things start evolving,you need to learn how to
recreate yourself in every stage.
That's good.
Dr. William Attaway (06:37):
And you built E-Wiser into a
seven-figure agency.
John Henao (06:41):
That's correct.
That's correct.
Yeah, so we we got into amastermind group back in 2019
and you know seven figure agency, as you know.
So we joined that group andwhen we joined that group, we
were pretty much around that 15KMRR and literally within two
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and a half years, we grew it toseven figures and we really just
followed the model right,josh's model.
Very grateful in meeting Joshand the team and the coaches
there have been instrumental andyeah, I mean the agency is
still running.
That's part of that's anotherbusiness I have going and it's
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been great.
It's been great it's been ableto just work on its own in
regards to having the agencythere.
And then, of course, we havethe virtual staffing agency that
was born three years ago aswell.
Dr. William Attaway (07:32):
And I want to talk about that because one
of the things that I read inyour bio is that you scaled
E-Wiser with a fully remoteColombian team.
Now, you know there's a lot ofopinions on how you scale an
agency, what this looks like,what your team needs to look
like.
You did this.
(07:52):
You got the T-shirt, like youknow, you made it.
But with a fully remoteColombian team like?
Was that your strategy, goingin from the beginning?
John Henao (08:01):
Yes, yes, the beginning, yes, yes.
So when I started my agency, westarted with one team member
because my family has an exportimport company and they had
their business in Colombia.
You know it's a US company, butthey had an office in Colombia
and we were I mean, all of ourteam members at that time, back
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in 2005, 2003,.
We had, you know, all of ourteam members.
At that time, back in 2005,2003,.
We had, all you know, all ofour team members were here in
the States.
And my older brother told meonce hey, john, I think you know
it would be a great idea thatyou could hire in Columbia to
lower your cost.
Start with one.
You can borrow a space here inmy office, that's okay.
And we did, we started, westarted doing that.
(08:43):
We hired one person.
Then eventually I moved out ofthat office, got my own office
and that's how it all started.
I mean, we didn't have a niche,we weren't as structured when we
joined a seven-figure agency.
That's when things startedhappening in regards to getting
our things aligned, to gettingour things, you know, things
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aligned.
And the biggest thing, william,is that a lot of people think
that when you're growing acompany, a lot of times you're
just focusing on revenue andthey're saying, yeah, my company
is reaching, but in the endthey forget about that.
You know, profit I meanprofitability is very important,
right, that's right.
So that's been.
One of the great advantages ofhaving a fully remote team in
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Colombia is the fact that you'regoing to be more profitable and
you're going to have peoplethat are really smart in regards
to because that's the idea youstart thinking, well, if I
outsource remotely, they're notgoing to do the great job as if
they were hiring here in theStates, do a great job as if
they were hiring here in theStates.
But you know, it's totally.
I mean, that's not true, right,because we, like, our niche is
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legal.
On the agency side, we dealwith law firms and we have
account managers that arecalling from Columbia speaking
to lawyers, and it hasn't beenan issue.
I mean, there's always going tobe that one lawyer, right?
That outlier that you knowdoesn't like the accent or
whatnot, but in the end it'sbeen working.
It's been working.
Dr. William Attaway (10:07):
It's remarkable.
And now you take what youlearned through your experience
with your agency and you'reteaching other people and
through GoStaffy, you're helpingthem these other agencies now
to create that freedom that youfound through eWiser.
I love that.
I love the methodology of beinga conduit of what you've
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learned and helping other peopleto take a step up because of
what you've discovered.
Like, was that your plan allalong or did this just?
Was this something that wasbirthed out of your experience?
John Henao (10:40):
Yeah, it was birthed Like we.
Like I said, we started GoStaffy three years ago.
Yeah, yeah, it was birth Likewe.
Like I said, we startedGoStaffy three years ago 2022,
around there and we wereactually servicing local
businesses and that was with mywife and we had a couple and
then the idea came up.
It's like wait a minute, youknow I have a lot of experience
with agency.
I have an agency.
(11:00):
It's been successful.
We grew to seven figures.
I can help other marketingagencies and that idea started.
We spoke with Josh and and westarted with that community.
Then now we're we're part ofthree communities.
Right and fast forward.
It's.
It's been working.
You know, we have close to ahundred team members already and
my goal is just to be impactful.
(11:23):
Right, the fact that we'recreating job opportunities.
I always tell this to peoplethat when you hire one person
from us, you're not hiring oneperson.
You're not impacting oneperson's life.
You're impacting their family,because most Colombians live
with family members, and you'reimpacting their spending power
because now they're working fora good company, they're being
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more giving at their church,more giving to their friends, so
you're probably impacting a 10xfold within that person.
So it's very impactful.
It's very fulfilling when I seewhat's going on with Ghostaffy.
I love that.
Dr. William Attaway (12:05):
So where do you go from here?
John Henao (12:07):
Definitely so we're.
We're becoming more like growthpartners.
You know, in the end, likewhenever agencies want to hire
us, we're, we're actually I, I,I, I love coaching as well, you
know as much as I can, and butin regards to where GoStaffy is
going, I mean, our goal is to,you know, have 500, 500 hires in
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the next five years.
Right, that's the goal.
We're also implementing a lotof AI, so we're making everybody
AI compliant.
As you know, AI is very popularnowadays, right, and so we're
making everybody AI compliant.
We're making sure that we'rebecoming that growth partner for
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those agencies that are lookingto scale right, and that goes
with giving them any SLPs theyneed, giving them any onboarding
tips, right, right in the end.
(13:09):
And a lot of times we come inand we want to start that agency
, but we don't think about theamount of time it takes to build
that agency and the amount oflack of freedom that most
agencies don't have, like mostagency owners don't have the
freedom in the beginning.
So our goal is to be thatgrowth partner to help that
agency owner figure out thehiring process structure and
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just helping them, you know,guide them along the way right,
and not just be that agency,that virtual staffing agency
that just says we're just goingto find you someone and that's
it, you're on.
You know, go on, you can do ityourself.
So we try to stick along andhelp them grow in the stages
that they're in.
Dr. William Attaway (13:48):
Well, and I think that growth partner model
is one that is sorely needed.
You know, I'm sure, like me,you've heard a whole lot of
people talk about the badexperiences they've had with
different.
You know virtual assistantstaffing companies or trying to
figure it out on their own, andyou know you just keep running
and tripping, and running andtripping, and running and
(14:09):
tripping, no-transcript, futureteam members and what the
(14:37):
strategy is for that we can help.
I think there's a whole lot ofpeople who need exactly what
you're describing there.
John Henao (14:44):
Yep, and not only just on where they're going, but
who their next hire is supposedto be.
A lot of times agency ownerscome and they say, hey, I need
this particular role, and afterspeaking to them they realize
that that's not the right rolethat they need to hire right now
.
Right, so, just guiding themand even in the beginning stages
of hiring and whatnot.
But yeah, it's fun.
(15:05):
It's fun to really guidesomeone and help them.
Dr. William Attaway (15:08):
So you got a new book coming.
Can you talk about that alittle bit?
When is this going to beavailable and what are you
hoping to achieve through that?
John Henao (15:16):
Yeah, so the Freedom Agency should be available
within two months from now,about a month and a half, two
months from now.
Yeah, so excited for that.
And the premise of the book, orwhy I wanted to write something
like this, was the fact thatmost agencies struggle with
having the freedom, right, and Ithink that they get so involved
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in building something andthey're passionate about it
which is true, right, but in theend, they forget why they're
even building an agency, whythey're even building an agency
and even when they're successfuland when they're receiving the
amount of money, the revenue,they're still neglecting why
they did it.
Like, for example, they startneglecting their family, or they
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start neglecting their health,their physical.
You know what I'm saying.
So the Freedom Agency talks alittle bit about that.
The Freedom Agency also talksabout different chapters on how
to use AI, how to build asuccessful team, how to do the
right onboardings.
So we do give out verypractical like SOPs or steps
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that we're using in our agencyand also within virtual staffing
in case they want to hirethemselves, right?
A lot of agencies want to gothat route, which is fine.
So I think, yeah, so I'mexcited about that.
You know the whole premise ofjust them having the freedom is
what I'm looking for, you know,for them to grab from the book I
can't wait to read it.
Dr. William Attaway (16:42):
It sounds like something that's going to
be very helpful and somethingthat I can recommend to a lot of
my clients who you know.
You don't always know what youdon't know, and I think what
you're describing here as aresource is going to help people
to discover that I love thatyou're making this available,
thank you.
John Henao (16:58):
Thank you for that For sure.
Dr. William Attaway (17:00):
And a podcast coming soon.
Yes, go accomplish more.
Yes, when is that coming?
John Henao (17:07):
Yeah, so that's.
We're actually almost done.
We have a few people already inline.
So I would say within the nexttwo to four weeks we're going to
start interviewing successfulagency owners.
And, yeah, the whole idea ofthe podcast is just interviewing
others that are accomplishingmore in their life and they can
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share a little bit about theirstruggles, because everyone goes
through struggles before theyhit that success or they're in
that success mode.
People never see what happenedbefore, right.
They never see the pain and thetears that it took in order to
reach what they have.
So that's going to be fun inregards to interviewing those
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individuals.
Dr. William Attaway (17:50):
I love that .
Well, I'll be subscribing andwe'll talk more about that in
the days ahead You're going tobe on the podcast.
John Henao (17:55):
I mean, you're going to be part of our speakers as
well, so get ready.
Dr. William Attaway (18:00):
I'd be honored.
I'd be honored, it'd be fun.
I love it.
John Henao (18:02):
Super excited for that.
Dr. William Attaway (18:05):
John, you're a person of faith and
we've had conversations offlineabout this and how important
that is in your life.
As you think about the wholesphere of your life as a
business owner, you know, I mean, how does faith play into that?
Like, where do you see thatflowing, not just as a part of
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your life but through you?
John Henao (18:27):
Okay, not just as a part of your life, but through
you.
Okay, yeah, I mean I got closeto God when I was 20.
Like I never grew up in aChristian background I mean my
parents were Catholic Nothingwrong against Catholics or
anything but never had arelationship with God, right,
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and at the age of 20 is when Ireally surrendered and my life
started changing.
At that point, met my wife,started getting involved in
church, was part of the worshipteam and all that.
So, definitely from the age of20 until now, faith has been
really a big part of my life andreally giving honor to God and
with everything that I do.
Right, I believe that everyonehas a platform, right.
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Whether you know people thinkthat the closest people to God
is the pastor, right, or theperson that is above, but that's
not true, right.
In the end, I think we all havea calling and I think that God
has called me to be anentrepreneur and I think that
there's a voice.
There's a voice or there's.
You have a voice in theplatform that God gives you, and
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I think for me, it's been inthe entrepreneur space and how
that's played is pretty simple,like on my personal side,
whenever I feel because we allgo through struggles.
Whenever I feel struggle, I pray, I pray, get into God's word.
Whenever I feel struggle, Ipray, I pray, get into God's
word.
Sometimes I just need to hear aworship song right, and really
just meditate on the words and Ifeel like God tells me hey God,
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you know, john, don't worry.
Like you know, things are gonnaget better.
And I feel like he speaks to mein a certain way through God's
word.
Obviously, what I need right,and sometimes it's not just on
what I'm reading biblically, butit could be maybe a friend of
mine that I call that.
I know that he gives me soundadvice.
So I think just beingsurrounded with the right people
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, getting into God's word rightas much as you can, and
listening to worship music hasbeen instrumental in my life and
the people that you hang aroundwith.
It makes a difference.
Dr. William Attaway (20:35):
I love that Absolutely.
You know you have to lead at ahigher level today in the
businesses that you run than youdid five years ago, and the
same thing's going to be truetwo, three, four, five years
from now.
How do you stay on top of yourgame, john?
How do you level up with thenew?
(20:55):
I think that has helped,surrounding myself with the
right people, right.
John Henao (21:18):
Just like iron sharpens iron, we got to sharpen
each other with the rightpeople, right?
Besides that, I think,continuous learning right, I
know it sounds cliche, I'm surepeople have heard it, but you
need to be constantly reading,listening to audio, to
audiobooks, podcasts, and whatyou feed your mind, right it's,
it's what's going to allow youto, and those struggles that
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you're having, and becausebusiness is hard, right, running
an agency is not easy andyou're gonna have those ups, and
so, I think, always remindingyourself that other people are
going through similar situationsor went through similar
situations that you did.
So, hearing their story on apodcast or listening to a
certain book and hear theirstory, it's really motivational.
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So I'm constantly feedingmyself the right information and
I have like two or three peoplethat I'm constantly calling and
if I feel like I'm stuck, I askthem questions about hey, what
should I do?
And that's why I'm once you'repart of a mastermind group,
that's why you're going to buildfriends like yourself, like
well, I mean, I mean, definitely, I know that I can call you and
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you're going to give me soundadvice, right, I mean, and
you're part of the same, youknow, you know the same group
that we're in right, but Ireally believe if, if the leader
is not growing, yourorganization is not going to
grow.
You're the ceiling of yourgrowth, and so sometimes I'm
hard on myself on that, becauseif I'm not growing, my team is
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not going to grow.
I mean, that's simple and, likeTony Robbins says, if you're
not growing, you're dying.
So that's constantly remindingmyself that I need to be growing
, and that's in every area, notjust in leadership and what I'm
doing, but in every area,because everything you know how
you do one thing is how you doeverything.
Dr. William Attaway (23:04):
That simple yeah, yeah, no so true, and I
think Robbins is correct.
You know stasis only exists ina laboratory.
You're either growing or you'regoing the other direction.
You know you're not the same.
Nobody stays the same Correct,and I think sometimes we have
this misconception that we can,and it's a cute myth.
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It's just not true, not rootedin any kind of reality.
As you are continually learningand continually in that growth
posture, is there a book thathas made a big difference in
your journey that you'drecommend to the leaders who are
listening?
John Henao (23:41):
I would say the two books that stand out are Atomic
Habits by James Clear.
That's a great book, yeah, sogood.
And then one that I saidearlier, the Seven Habits of
Highly Effective People.
I love that book.
I mean, besides the Bible, ofcourse, I think you can get a
lot of wisdom from the Bible too, but I think those two are by
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far stand out.
Doing the habits, like justacquiring new habits every day,
is not rocket science.
I mean, I think people knowwhat they have to do and I think
what overwhelms people is thatthey, I think that people need.
They feel sometimes like, let'ssay, if you want to start
working out, sometimes peoplethink that they have to go to
the gym Monday through Sundayand be at the gym for two hours.
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If not, then I'm not going tostart at all.
But right, and like, what am Igoing to?
You know, if you, you know, ifyou tell yourself, oh gosh, but
I just don't want to go to thegym and just work out twice a
week, well, start twice a week,start some momentum, right?
So yeah, I think At thinkatomic habits says one thing
they I mean the book talks abouthow you need to become the
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identity of what you're tryingto accomplish.
So if you say I am athletic, Iam a fitness person, what do
fitness people do?
They work out.
So if, if you're going to thegym once a week or twice a week,
you start with something,you're developing an identity
within that habit or what you'retrying to accomplish, and when
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you build an identity, then it'sgoing to be really hard to not
follow through right, becausethen you're going against your
identity.
So that's what stood out for mein the book.
That's one of the things.
Dr. William Attaway (25:28):
I love that .
Two great reads, to be sure,john.
I think sometimes people canlook at the highlight reel that
a leader like you has on socialmedia online and they can get a
misconception that oh man, johnis so successful.
He's never struggled, he'snever dealt with the stuff that
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I deal with every day, he'snever had to really wrestle like
I do.
And that's because thehighlight reel only shows
certain things.
One question that I love to askthe people who we have on the
show is you know, if I had theability to snap my fingers and
solve one problem in yourbusiness right now, what would
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you want me to solve?
John Henao (26:13):
I would say, to fix all my like operations and
automations that are takingplace right now, because it's
either going to be a systemsproblem or it's going to be a
people problem.
I always look at when you knowif you're having any issues with
retention or sales, like eitherrevenue or retention.
(26:37):
Right, there's either going tobe two problems it's going to be
either a system problem or apeople problem and I think right
now, yeah, because people.
I think if we had to gradeourselves, I think that we have
a great team you know we're notperfect by all means, but
usually, usually the people havethe capacity but their systems
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need to be tweaked.
So I think if you are thatsystem engineer, if you are a
system you know, engineer,professional systems person,
then that's what I would want togo in there and just snap
everything, get all theautomations in place and have it
done within 24 hours.
I would pay whatever you want,but it's a work in progress, of
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course it's a work in progress.
Dr. William Attaway (27:23):
A hundred percent and unfortunately I
can't snap my fingers,Unfortunately, right.
John Henao (27:28):
Yeah, and you know what and this is for everyone
out there that they think thattheir operations is never going
to break or whatnot.
But every time you reach aceiling, every time you reach 1
million, then you reach 2million things are going to
break.
Things are going to break andthat's okay, right?
Yes, once things break, thenthat gives you the opportunity
(27:48):
to find out how can I improvethis, how can I make it better
so that that area won't breakagain.
But then something else mightbreak.
Dr. William Attaway (28:01):
And that's the beauty of operations, I
guess.
Well, I think it's somethingthat we can get excited about,
as odd as that sounds.
Yep, you know, because thatmeans we've hit a new level.
You know, correct.
And as the old saying goes, newlevels bring new devils.
You know, I mean, you knowyou've got to.
As you hit new levels, you'regoing to have different problems
.
You're going to have newproblems, that's okay.
That means you hit a new levelto be able to do that Exactly.
(28:23):
That means you hit a new levelto be able to do that, so now
you get to deal with that.
That's not something to cry onour soup.
John Henao (28:28):
And you can apply that as well in your personal
life.
You know, before you hit thatlevel, you got to be broken,
right.
There's sometimes you got tobreak, or there's a point that
you're like, okay, I give up, Ineed to learn this right.
Or you surrender yourself toGod and say, hey, I need help in
this area.
I got to humble myself, I needto find help, I need to find the
(28:48):
right mentor, and so I feellike everybody is going to have
a breaking point and in regardsto and then it's what you do
from that breaking point that'sgoing to allow you to grow.
Dr. William Attaway (29:00):
So good, John.
As always every time we talk, Ijust want it to keep going,
because I learned so much justlistening to you, man.
It's amazing what God has donein you and through you in so
many different arenas.
I know our listeners are goingto want to stay connected to you
and continue to learn from youand more about what's happening
(29:22):
over at GoStaffy and how youguys can be a part of their
business, their agency.
What's the best way for folksto connect with you?
John Henao (29:29):
Well, they can connect.
If it's on social, they canconnect.
On Instagram it's John Hanau.
They can go there.
I publish a lot of contentthere.
On Facebook, the same thing.
It's John Hanau.
Or just search my name andyou'll pop it up.
It's John Hinauer.
Just search my name and you'llpop it up If it's the website.
If you're interested instaffing or just want maybe
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guidance on your operations withno commitment, you can go to
GoStaffy.
That's G-O and then Staffycom,so GoStaffycom.
You can just fill out the formand we can talk.
I love it.
Dr. William Attaway (30:02):
We'll have all those links in the show
notes.
Great John, thank you for yourtime and your generosity today,
man, and sharing so freely fromwhat you've learned so far in
your journey.
John Henao (30:12):
Well, thank you for having me.
It's a pleasure, william, Iappreciate it.
I'm excited today to have John Henao on the
podcast.
John is the founder and CEO ofGoStaffy, a virtual staffing
company that helps US-basedmarketing agencies grow with top
remote talent from Columbia.
Before starting GoStaffy, hebuilt his own digital agency,
ewiser, and scaled it to sevenfigures with a fully remote
(00:23):
Colombian team.
Now his mission is to helpother agency owners create real
freedom by delegating smarter,growing sustainably and building
businesses that support theirlifestyle.
John's currently working on hisupcoming book, the Freedom
Agency, which is all abouthelping agency owners to scale
(00:43):
sustainably using systems,remote teams and smart
delegation.
He's also launching a podcastsoon called Go Accomplish More,
where he'll be sharing realconversations with entrepreneurs
, agency leaders and highperformers about what it really
takes to grow Outside of work.
John's a proud dad, a man offaith, and he's passionate about
(01:07):
a healthy lifestyle, and you'lloften find him out on a walk
with his dog, chase.
John, I'm so glad you're here.
Thanks for being on the show.
John Henao (01:15):
Super excited, William.
It's a privilege to be on yourshow and my goal today is just
to share a lot of wisdom andhopefully one person can get
just one action item to takeaction and it's going to better
either their personal life ortheir agency.
So super excited to be here.
Dr. William Attaway (01:32):
Yeah, I'm looking forward to this.
We've been talking about havingyou on the show for quite a
while and I'm thrilled we madeit happen Absolutely.
This is going to be.
Intro (01:41):
Welcome to Catalytic Leadership, the podcast designed
to help leaders intentionallygrow and thrive.
Here is your host author andleadership and executive coach,
dr William Attaway.
Dr. William Attaway (01:58):
Let's start today with you sharing some of
your story with our listeners,particularly around your journey
and your development as aleader.
How did you get started All?
John Henao (02:09):
right.
Well, leadership for me hasbeen a journey right.
When I grew up, I alwaysstruggled.
I was that shy little kid, youknow, when I was back in, when I
was eight years old, 10 yearsold, and whenever class started
I wanted to hide behind thecovers and not read in front of
class.
I hated public speaking.
And so when I started gettinginto self-development I would
(02:33):
say in college, I startedreading books about business,
reading books aboutself-development, and I remember
reading a book, many, manyyears ago called the Seven
Habits of Highly EffectivePeople, which really changed my
life, getting closer to God, Ithink so.
I think my development as aleader started, I would say, in
college, but then it startedevolving.
(02:53):
Once I got intoentrepreneurship.
I started listening to TonyRobbins, you know, ed Milet, and
I started realizing that thesepeople are just like me.
Right, they have the samestruggles, they have the same
things that I'm going through,and what made the difference is
just building those habits right.
So, little by little, I startedapplying some of the habits
(03:16):
that successful leaders applyand I started noticing a change,
started noticing how, if youjust do one good habit, that
good habit is going to lead toother good habits and it just
multiplies, right?
So it started, I would say,back in college and little by
little it's a work in progress,right?
You know I'm still trying tofigure it out in many areas in
(03:36):
my life and just getting betteras a leader.
Dr. William Attaway (03:38):
I love that and I love the progressive
nature of it, John, and I thinkthat's something that's
important.
It didn't all happen at once.
John Henao (04:07):
John, and I think that's something that's
important.
It didn't all happen at itcomes to leadership, you start
realizing that what makes themdifferent is their habits right
and their discipline withinthose habits, and I think that
once you start applying thosetiny little habits in your life,
it just makes a differenceright?
One scenario is I never used tofix my bed.
I was a disaster when I wouldwake up, never fix my bed, and I
(04:30):
can say that I'm proud.
It's been over five years thatI fix my bed.
Even if I'm in a hotel, I willfix my bed and it sounds
ridiculous, but that little tinyhabit will lead to great habits
in your life 100% little tinyhabit will lead to great habits
in your life.
Dr. William Attaway (04:44):
A hundred percent Fantastic book called
Make your Bed by I think it'sAdmiral McRaven.
Just a little short book, butman, what a difference.
That one thing can I totallyagree, Totally agree, Absolutely
.
So how did you get intomarketing?
John Henao (05:03):
So I was a print marketer back in the days.
That was one of my first majorbusinesses that I had.
Well, besides selling baseballcards when I was younger right,
I did a lot of entrepreneurthings, but my real major
business was I started gettinginto graphic design because I
really liked graphic design, andthen that led into becoming
(05:25):
like a print broker, and back inthe days when postcards were
alive like right now, not thatmany people are ordering print
marketing.
That's why I started.
I started offering printmarketing and then that evolved
into offering more digital stuff, because most of my clients
were saying hey, do you offerwebsites, do you offer SEO?
(05:45):
So those clients, those clients, eventually became my clients
because we started pivoting.
We started pivoting intooffering website design.
Then, from website design, westarted offering SEO.
Then, from SEO, we startedoffering social media.
So we started, we startedrecreating ourselves from from
the ground up, because we werenoticing that my audience was
(06:08):
asking for it and that was backin.
That was back, gosh, you know20, 20, 20, 20, sorry, 2003.
Wow, it's been so long.
So that was back in 2003 whenwe did the shift, and little by
little yeah, I mean, this gameis about just shifting as you're
growing, because a lot of timeswe think like we have to stay
(06:28):
in our lane forever.
But as things start evolving,you need to learn how to
recreate yourself in every stage.
That's good.
Dr. William Attaway (06:37):
And you built E-Wiser into a
seven-figure agency.
John Henao (06:41):
That's correct.
That's correct.
Yeah, so we we got into amastermind group back in 2019
and you know seven figure agency, as you know.
So we joined that group andwhen we joined that group, we
were pretty much around that 15KMRR and literally within two
(07:02):
and a half years, we grew it toseven figures and we really just
followed the model right,josh's model.
Very grateful in meeting Joshand the team and the coaches
there have been instrumental andyeah, I mean the agency is
still running.
That's part of that's anotherbusiness I have going and it's
(07:22):
been great.
It's been great it's been ableto just work on its own in
regards to having the agencythere.
And then, of course, we havethe virtual staffing agency that
was born three years ago aswell.
Dr. William Attaway (07:32):
And I want to talk about that because one
of the things that I read inyour bio is that you scaled
E-Wiser with a fully remoteColombian team.
Now, you know there's a lot ofopinions on how you scale an
agency, what this looks like,what your team needs to look
like.
You did this.
(07:52):
You got the T-shirt, like youknow, you made it.
But with a fully remoteColombian team like?
Was that your strategy, goingin from the beginning?
John Henao (08:01):
Yes, yes, the beginning, yes, yes.
So when I started my agency, westarted with one team member
because my family has an exportimport company and they had
their business in Colombia.
You know it's a US company, butthey had an office in Colombia
and we were I mean, all of ourteam members at that time, back
(08:21):
in 2005, 2003,.
We had, you know, all of ourteam members.
At that time, back in 2005,2003,.
We had, all you know, all ofour team members were here in
the States.
And my older brother told meonce hey, john, I think you know
it would be a great idea thatyou could hire in Columbia to
lower your cost.
Start with one.
You can borrow a space here inmy office, that's okay.
And we did, we started, westarted doing that.
(08:43):
We hired one person.
Then eventually I moved out ofthat office, got my own office
and that's how it all started.
I mean, we didn't have a niche,we weren't as structured when we
joined a seven-figure agency.
That's when things startedhappening in regards to getting
our things aligned, to gettingour things, you know, things
(09:04):
aligned.
And the biggest thing, william,is that a lot of people think
that when you're growing acompany, a lot of times you're
just focusing on revenue andthey're saying, yeah, my company
is reaching, but in the endthey forget about that.
You know, profit I meanprofitability is very important,
right, that's right.
So that's been.
One of the great advantages ofhaving a fully remote team in
(09:27):
Colombia is the fact that you'regoing to be more profitable and
you're going to have peoplethat are really smart in regards
to because that's the idea youstart thinking, well, if I
outsource remotely, they're notgoing to do the great job as if
they were hiring here in theStates, do a great job as if
they were hiring here in theStates.
But you know, it's totally.
I mean, that's not true, right,because we, like, our niche is
(09:53):
legal.
On the agency side, we dealwith law firms and we have
account managers that arecalling from Columbia speaking
to lawyers, and it hasn't beenan issue.
I mean, there's always going tobe that one lawyer, right?
That outlier that you knowdoesn't like the accent or
whatnot, but in the end it'sbeen working.
It's been working.
Dr. William Attaway (10:07):
It's remarkable.
And now you take what youlearned through your experience
with your agency and you'reteaching other people and
through GoStaffy, you're helpingthem these other agencies now
to create that freedom that youfound through eWiser.
I love that.
I love the methodology of beinga conduit of what you've
(10:28):
learned and helping other peopleto take a step up because of
what you've discovered.
Like, was that your plan allalong or did this just?
Was this something that wasbirthed out of your experience?
John Henao (10:40):
Yeah, it was birthed Like we.
Like I said, we started GoStaffy three years ago.
Yeah, yeah, it was birth Likewe.
Like I said, we startedGoStaffy three years ago 2022,
around there and we wereactually servicing local
businesses and that was with mywife and we had a couple and
then the idea came up.
It's like wait a minute, youknow I have a lot of experience
with agency.
I have an agency.
(11:00):
It's been successful.
We grew to seven figures.
I can help other marketingagencies and that idea started.
We spoke with Josh and and westarted with that community.
Then now we're we're part ofthree communities.
Right and fast forward.
It's.
It's been working.
You know, we have close to ahundred team members already and
my goal is just to be impactful.
(11:23):
Right, the fact that we'recreating job opportunities.
I always tell this to peoplethat when you hire one person
from us, you're not hiring oneperson.
You're not impacting oneperson's life.
You're impacting their family,because most Colombians live
with family members, and you'reimpacting their spending power
because now they're working fora good company, they're being
(11:46):
more giving at their church,more giving to their friends, so
you're probably impacting a 10xfold within that person.
So it's very impactful.
It's very fulfilling when I seewhat's going on with Ghostaffy.
I love that.
Dr. William Attaway (12:05):
So where do you go from here?
John Henao (12:07):
Definitely so we're.
We're becoming more like growthpartners.
You know, in the end, likewhenever agencies want to hire
us, we're, we're actually I, I,I, I love coaching as well, you
know as much as I can, and butin regards to where GoStaffy is
going, I mean, our goal is to,you know, have 500, 500 hires in
(12:27):
the next five years.
Right, that's the goal.
We're also implementing a lotof AI, so we're making everybody
AI compliant.
As you know, AI is very popularnowadays, right, and so we're
making everybody AI compliant.
We're making sure that we'rebecoming that growth partner for
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those agencies that are lookingto scale right, and that goes
with giving them any SLPs theyneed, giving them any onboarding
tips, right, right in the end.
(13:09):
And a lot of times we come inand we want to start that agency
, but we don't think about theamount of time it takes to build
that agency and the amount oflack of freedom that most
agencies don't have, like mostagency owners don't have the
freedom in the beginning.
So our goal is to be thatgrowth partner to help that
agency owner figure out thehiring process structure and
(13:32):
just helping them, you know,guide them along the way right,
and not just be that agency,that virtual staffing agency
that just says we're just goingto find you someone and that's
it, you're on.
You know, go on, you can do ityourself.
So we try to stick along andhelp them grow in the stages
that they're in.
Dr. William Attaway (13:48):
Well, and I think that growth partner model
is one that is sorely needed.
You know, I'm sure, like me,you've heard a whole lot of
people talk about the badexperiences they've had with
different.
You know virtual assistantstaffing companies or trying to
figure it out on their own, andyou know you just keep running
and tripping, and running andtripping, and running and
(14:09):
tripping, no-transcript, futureteam members and what the
(14:37):
strategy is for that we can help.
I think there's a whole lot ofpeople who need exactly what
you're describing there.
John Henao (14:44):
Yep, and not only just on where they're going, but
who their next hire is supposedto be.
A lot of times agency ownerscome and they say, hey, I need
this particular role, and afterspeaking to them they realize
that that's not the right rolethat they need to hire right now
.
Right, so, just guiding themand even in the beginning stages
of hiring and whatnot.
But yeah, it's fun.
(15:05):
It's fun to really guidesomeone and help them.
Dr. William Attaway (15:08):
So you got a new book coming.
Can you talk about that alittle bit?
When is this going to beavailable and what are you
hoping to achieve through that?
John Henao (15:16):
Yeah, so the Freedom Agency should be available
within two months from now,about a month and a half, two
months from now.
Yeah, so excited for that.
And the premise of the book, orwhy I wanted to write something
like this, was the fact thatmost agencies struggle with
having the freedom, right, and Ithink that they get so involved
(15:38):
in building something andthey're passionate about it
which is true, right, but in theend, they forget why they're
even building an agency, whythey're even building an agency
and even when they're successfuland when they're receiving the
amount of money, the revenue,they're still neglecting why
they did it.
Like, for example, they startneglecting their family, or they
(15:58):
start neglecting their health,their physical.
You know what I'm saying.
So the Freedom Agency talks alittle bit about that.
The Freedom Agency also talksabout different chapters on how
to use AI, how to build asuccessful team, how to do the
right onboardings.
So we do give out verypractical like SOPs or steps
(16:21):
that we're using in our agencyand also within virtual staffing
in case they want to hirethemselves, right?
A lot of agencies want to gothat route, which is fine.
So I think, yeah, so I'mexcited about that.
You know the whole premise ofjust them having the freedom is
what I'm looking for, you know,for them to grab from the book I
can't wait to read it.
Dr. William Attaway (16:42):
It sounds like something that's going to
be very helpful and somethingthat I can recommend to a lot of
my clients who you know.
You don't always know what youdon't know, and I think what
you're describing here as aresource is going to help people
to discover that I love thatyou're making this available,
thank you.
John Henao (16:58):
Thank you for that For sure.
Dr. William Attaway (17:00):
And a podcast coming soon.
Yes, go accomplish more.
Yes, when is that coming?
John Henao (17:07):
Yeah, so that's.
We're actually almost done.
We have a few people already inline.
So I would say within the nexttwo to four weeks we're going to
start interviewing successfulagency owners.
And, yeah, the whole idea ofthe podcast is just interviewing
others that are accomplishingmore in their life and they can
(17:27):
share a little bit about theirstruggles, because everyone goes
through struggles before theyhit that success or they're in
that success mode.
People never see what happenedbefore, right.
They never see the pain and thetears that it took in order to
reach what they have.
So that's going to be fun inregards to interviewing those
(17:48):
individuals.
Dr. William Attaway (17:50):
I love that .
Well, I'll be subscribing andwe'll talk more about that in
the days ahead You're going tobe on the podcast.
John Henao (17:55):
I mean, you're going to be part of our speakers as
well, so get ready.
Dr. William Attaway (18:00):
I'd be honored.
I'd be honored, it'd be fun.
I love it.
John Henao (18:02):
Super excited for that.
Dr. William Attaway (18:05):
John, you're a person of faith and
we've had conversations offlineabout this and how important
that is in your life.
As you think about the wholesphere of your life as a
business owner, you know, I mean, how does faith play into that?
Like, where do you see thatflowing, not just as a part of
(18:26):
your life but through you?
John Henao (18:27):
Okay, not just as a part of your life, but through
you.
Okay, yeah, I mean I got closeto God when I was 20.
Like I never grew up in aChristian background I mean my
parents were Catholic Nothingwrong against Catholics or
anything but never had arelationship with God, right,
(18:51):
and at the age of 20 is when Ireally surrendered and my life
started changing.
At that point, met my wife,started getting involved in
church, was part of the worshipteam and all that.
So, definitely from the age of20 until now, faith has been
really a big part of my life andreally giving honor to God and
with everything that I do.
Right, I believe that everyonehas a platform, right.
(19:12):
Whether you know people thinkthat the closest people to God
is the pastor, right, or theperson that is above, but that's
not true, right.
In the end, I think we all havea calling and I think that God
has called me to be anentrepreneur and I think that
there's a voice.
There's a voice or there's.
You have a voice in theplatform that God gives you, and
(19:35):
I think for me, it's been inthe entrepreneur space and how
that's played is pretty simple,like on my personal side,
whenever I feel because we allgo through struggles.
Whenever I feel struggle, I pray, I pray, get into God's word.
Whenever I feel struggle, Ipray, I pray, get into God's
word.
Sometimes I just need to hear aworship song right, and really
just meditate on the words and Ifeel like God tells me hey God,
(19:59):
you know, john, don't worry.
Like you know, things are gonnaget better.
And I feel like he speaks to mein a certain way through God's
word.
Obviously, what I need right,and sometimes it's not just on
what I'm reading biblically, butit could be maybe a friend of
mine that I call that.
I know that he gives me soundadvice.
So I think just beingsurrounded with the right people
(20:22):
, getting into God's word rightas much as you can, and
listening to worship music hasbeen instrumental in my life and
the people that you hang aroundwith.
It makes a difference.
Dr. William Attaway (20:35):
I love that Absolutely.
You know you have to lead at ahigher level today in the
businesses that you run than youdid five years ago, and the
same thing's going to be truetwo, three, four, five years
from now.
How do you stay on top of yourgame, john?
How do you level up with thenew?
(20:55):
I think that has helped,surrounding myself with the
right people, right.
John Henao (21:18):
Just like iron sharpens iron, we got to sharpen
each other with the rightpeople, right?
Besides that, I think,continuous learning right, I
know it sounds cliche, I'm surepeople have heard it, but you
need to be constantly reading,listening to audio, to
audiobooks, podcasts, and whatyou feed your mind, right it's,
it's what's going to allow youto, and those struggles that
(21:41):
you're having, and becausebusiness is hard, right, running
an agency is not easy andyou're gonna have those ups, and
so, I think, always remindingyourself that other people are
going through similar situationsor went through similar
situations that you did.
So, hearing their story on apodcast or listening to a
certain book and hear theirstory, it's really motivational.
(22:02):
So I'm constantly feedingmyself the right information and
I have like two or three peoplethat I'm constantly calling and
if I feel like I'm stuck, I askthem questions about hey, what
should I do?
And that's why I'm once you'repart of a mastermind group,
that's why you're going to buildfriends like yourself, like
well, I mean, I mean, definitely, I know that I can call you and
(22:23):
you're going to give me soundadvice, right, I mean, and
you're part of the same, youknow, you know the same group
that we're in right, but Ireally believe if, if the leader
is not growing, yourorganization is not going to
grow.
You're the ceiling of yourgrowth, and so sometimes I'm
hard on myself on that, becauseif I'm not growing, my team is
(22:44):
not going to grow.
I mean, that's simple and, likeTony Robbins says, if you're
not growing, you're dying.
So that's constantly remindingmyself that I need to be growing
, and that's in every area, notjust in leadership and what I'm
doing, but in every area,because everything you know how
you do one thing is how you doeverything.
Dr. William Attaway (23:04):
That simple yeah, yeah, no so true, and I
think Robbins is correct.
You know stasis only exists ina laboratory.
You're either growing or you'regoing the other direction.
You know you're not the same.
Nobody stays the same Correct,and I think sometimes we have
this misconception that we can,and it's a cute myth.
(23:28):
It's just not true, not rootedin any kind of reality.
As you are continually learningand continually in that growth
posture, is there a book thathas made a big difference in
your journey that you'drecommend to the leaders who are
listening?
John Henao (23:41):
I would say the two books that stand out are Atomic
Habits by James Clear.
That's a great book, yeah, sogood.
And then one that I saidearlier, the Seven Habits of
Highly Effective People.
I love that book.
I mean, besides the Bible, ofcourse, I think you can get a
lot of wisdom from the Bible too, but I think those two are by
(24:04):
far stand out.
Doing the habits, like justacquiring new habits every day,
is not rocket science.
I mean, I think people knowwhat they have to do and I think
what overwhelms people is thatthey, I think that people need.
They feel sometimes like, let'ssay, if you want to start
working out, sometimes peoplethink that they have to go to
the gym Monday through Sundayand be at the gym for two hours.
(24:28):
If not, then I'm not going tostart at all.
But right, and like, what am Igoing to?
You know, if you, you know, ifyou tell yourself, oh gosh, but
I just don't want to go to thegym and just work out twice a
week, well, start twice a week,start some momentum, right?
So yeah, I think At thinkatomic habits says one thing
they I mean the book talks abouthow you need to become the
(24:50):
identity of what you're tryingto accomplish.
So if you say I am athletic, Iam a fitness person, what do
fitness people do?
They work out.
So if, if you're going to thegym once a week or twice a week,
you start with something,you're developing an identity
within that habit or what you'retrying to accomplish, and when
(25:14):
you build an identity, then it'sgoing to be really hard to not
follow through right, becausethen you're going against your
identity.
So that's what stood out for mein the book.
That's one of the things.
Dr. William Attaway (25:28):
I love that .
Two great reads, to be sure,john.
I think sometimes people canlook at the highlight reel that
a leader like you has on socialmedia online and they can get a
misconception that oh man, johnis so successful.
He's never struggled, he'snever dealt with the stuff that
(25:49):
I deal with every day, he'snever had to really wrestle like
I do.
And that's because thehighlight reel only shows
certain things.
One question that I love to askthe people who we have on the
show is you know, if I had theability to snap my fingers and
solve one problem in yourbusiness right now, what would
(26:12):
you want me to solve?
John Henao (26:13):
I would say, to fix all my like operations and
automations that are takingplace right now, because it's
either going to be a systemsproblem or it's going to be a
people problem.
I always look at when you knowif you're having any issues with
retention or sales, like eitherrevenue or retention.
(26:37):
Right, there's either going tobe two problems it's going to be
either a system problem or apeople problem and I think right
now, yeah, because people.
I think if we had to gradeourselves, I think that we have
a great team you know we're notperfect by all means, but
usually, usually the people havethe capacity but their systems
(26:59):
need to be tweaked.
So I think if you are thatsystem engineer, if you are a
system you know, engineer,professional systems person,
then that's what I would want togo in there and just snap
everything, get all theautomations in place and have it
done within 24 hours.
I would pay whatever you want,but it's a work in progress, of
(27:20):
course it's a work in progress.
Dr. William Attaway (27:23):
A hundred percent and unfortunately I
can't snap my fingers,Unfortunately, right.
John Henao (27:28):
Yeah, and you know what and this is for everyone
out there that they think thattheir operations is never going
to break or whatnot.
But every time you reach aceiling, every time you reach 1
million, then you reach 2million things are going to
break.
Things are going to break andthat's okay, right?
Yes, once things break, thenthat gives you the opportunity
(27:48):
to find out how can I improvethis, how can I make it better
so that that area won't breakagain.
But then something else mightbreak.
Dr. William Attaway (28:01):
And that's the beauty of operations, I
guess.
Well, I think it's somethingthat we can get excited about,
as odd as that sounds.
Yep, you know, because thatmeans we've hit a new level.
You know, correct.
And as the old saying goes, newlevels bring new devils.
You know, I mean, you knowyou've got to.
As you hit new levels, you'regoing to have different problems
.
You're going to have newproblems, that's okay.
That means you hit a new levelto be able to do that Exactly.
(28:23):
That means you hit a new levelto be able to do that, so now
you get to deal with that.
That's not something to cry onour soup.
John Henao (28:28):
And you can apply that as well in your personal
life.
You know, before you hit thatlevel, you got to be broken,
right.
There's sometimes you got tobreak, or there's a point that
you're like, okay, I give up, Ineed to learn this right.
Or you surrender yourself toGod and say, hey, I need help in
this area.
I got to humble myself, I needto find help, I need to find the
(28:48):
right mentor, and so I feellike everybody is going to have
a breaking point and in regardsto and then it's what you do
from that breaking point that'sgoing to allow you to grow.
Dr. William Attaway (29:00):
So good, John.
As always every time we talk, Ijust want it to keep going,
because I learned so much justlistening to you, man.
It's amazing what God has donein you and through you in so
many different arenas.
I know our listeners are goingto want to stay connected to you
and continue to learn from youand more about what's happening
(29:22):
over at GoStaffy and how youguys can be a part of their
business, their agency.
What's the best way for folksto connect with you?
John Henao (29:29):
Well, they can connect.
If it's on social, they canconnect.
On Instagram it's John Hanau.
They can go there.
I publish a lot of contentthere.
On Facebook, the same thing.
It's John Hanau.
Or just search my name andyou'll pop it up.
It's John Hinauer.
Just search my name and you'llpop it up If it's the website.
If you're interested instaffing or just want maybe
(29:50):
guidance on your operations withno commitment, you can go to
GoStaffy.
That's G-O and then Staffycom,so GoStaffycom.
You can just fill out the formand we can talk.
I love it.
Dr. William Attaway (30:02):
We'll have all those links in the show
notes.
Great John, thank you for yourtime and your generosity today,
man, and sharing so freely fromwhat you've learned so far in
your journey.
John Henao (30:12):
Well, thank you for having me.
It's a pleasure, william, Iappreciate it.
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