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When the stillness of a typical day shatters under the weight of tragedy, the ripple effects can touch us all. Join us as we recount the harrowing journey from the discovery of a lifeless body in a Louisiana laundry room to the courtroom's final gavel. We'll walk you through a perplexing case that begins in Concordia Parish and sprawls into a legal struggle over the sealing of post-trial medical records. Alongside Officer Valerie Clark's testimony and the unnerving sighting of a man with unknown intentions, we reach into the heart of a community shaken by violence and loss.
Imagine finding the unimaginable in your own home, your mind grappling to process the grim scene before you. This episode weaves through the tapestry of human emotion and response when faced with the ultimate shock – the untimely death of a loved one. We share Sharon's gut-wrenching experience, her instinct to lean on family, and the investigative odyssey that unravels a story far darker than it appears on the surface. Our narrative also scrutinizes a contentious shooting, the tangled threads of testimony, and the frustration of sealed truths, as we question the reliability of memory and evidence in the face of profound grief.
As the gavel falls and a 35-year sentence is handed down, what remains are the haunting echoes in the lives left behind. You'll hear the poignant words of parents bereft of their child, the complexities surrounding the case closure, and the enigmatic details that continue to provoke unease. We dedicate this episode to the exploration of truth and justice, and the pursuit of closure for those haunted by questions that may never be answered. Through the tapestry of this community's experience, we honor the memories and seek to understand the intricate dance between law and humanity.
Sources:
- Concordia Archives Database & Concordia Parish Clerk of Court Records
- https://www.natchezdemocrat.com/2009/04/30/ferriday-man-accused-of-manslaughter-changes-plea-to-guilty/
- https://www.natchezdemocrat.com/2008/03/04/accused-killer-makes-court-appearance/
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
15 years ago this month in Concordia Parish, a
mother returned home fromvisiting her ailing father in a
hospital to find the body of ayoung woman in her laundry room,
and was in such a state thatthe family, after the court
proceedings were completed,requested that the district
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attorney seal her medicalrecords.
Today, on our 21st episode, wewill go through how, but not
really why, this happened.
This case was interesting fromstart to finish, so don't miss
any of it.
On today's episode of SINLAL.
Hello and welcome to thisepisode of SINLAL where truth
(00:59):
crime meets the legal system.
I'm Kelly.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
And I am Uncle Sawyer .
Speaker 1 (01:04):
We are bringing you another mess of an episode.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Although, as per usual, I know nothing going into
the case.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
That's right.
I think I made a little mentionof it before, but he hardly
ever actually listens to what Isay, so we should be golden.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Yeah, I'm the one that doesn't listen.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Yeah, that's true.
So I don't think we haveanything else.
I literally just want to goahead and get into this and do a
bonus episode later, because wegot to kind of catch everybody
up on what happened since thelast episode with Jimmy Townsend
.
There's been some interestingdevelopments on that, but we'll
get into that in the bonusepisode which should come out
about a week from today.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
At least if we think everybody personally for what
they did wouldn't take very long.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Oh no, absolutely not .
No, just for the listener baseand for everybody that listened
or shared, and just for you knowthe amazing wildfire that it is
just real quick.
Our first episode for thispodcast started.
We aired it in June of lastyear and as of right now, I
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think it has like a hundred andtwenty seven or a hundred and
thirty downloads.
Right, the last episode that wejust did, two weeks ago, it has
over a hundred and tendownloads, so it's probably
because I'm on it.
Maybe, but in all of ourepisodes that we've recorded
ever, that one got the mostattention, the most quickly, and
(02:36):
it continues to outdo everyother episode.
We've ever done so for nothingelse than for sharing and making
sure that that got heard.
It may have made a difference,it may not have, but either way
I appreciate each and everysingle one of you that did your
part in just listening to it andbecoming aware of that
situation.
So that means something to thefamily, I guarantee it.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Definitely means something to the family.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Absolutely so.
With all that being done andwe'll get into that more, like I
said, later on, a bonus episodelet's get into today's episode,
which gets us a little bitcloser in terms of how long ago.
It was.
Not a crazy amount, though,because that's 2008.
Still fifteen years ago, rightWait?
Speaker 2 (03:21):
what 2008, 2008.
No, that was like two years ago, dude.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Okay, yeah, that's what I think too.
Two years after I graduated.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Oh damn you old.
Yeah, I know, damn I'm old.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Wow, yeah, anyway, so crazy stuff, this story.
We're going to go to ConcordiaParish, which we've talked about
before.
We're also going to be inFarity, which, coincidentally,
was the exact same spot as ourfirst episode, farity, louisiana
.
So we've talked about both ofthese before, so we don't really
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do a whole lot of like placingand since that, so we can just
get it.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Also very findable on a map, if you're not against it
.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Oddly enough, this isn't a weekend, this isn't a
late night, this isn't.
This is like literally themiddle of the week, right before
dinner or time ish, when the911 gets the phone call.
It was about 520 when they gota phone call from a man by the
name of Charles Bell and he wasrequesting officers to a house
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on Carolina Avenue and he placedthe call at 520.
Valerie Clark, one of theofficers, the patrolling
officers she showed up at 523.
So real, quick.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Is it back there behind the auto zone on that
side?
Speaker 1 (04:39):
I don't know if it's on that side or not, but it's in
that general area, I believe.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Or is it by the?
Speaker 1 (04:44):
So yeah, right there, as you're coming into Farity,
if you're coming from Vidalia,if you're leaving out the other
way, going towards Vidalia, beoff on a ride all in that little
subdivision area over there.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
It's on the southern side of Fertigfairie.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
Yeah, either way, north-south-east I can't tell
you directions, I don't know, sobest thing I can tell you,
though, is that it's in themiddle of a bunch of other
houses, there's a lot ofneighbors, a lot of traffic back
and forth in this.
Like I said, thursday at 5 36o'clock, it was a little unusual
, and Miss Valerie Clark she gotthere and got a little bit
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information.
As she pulled in, she noticedthat at the end of the street,
kind of looking towards thehouse, there was a heavy set guy
, just how she refers to him inher investigator report, kind of
watching, watching the house orwhatever and as she went to
enter the house she said thatshe got over, overcome by the
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smell and actually had to turnback overwhelmed very much so
that the quote smell was allover the house.
And then, once she actuallyproceeded and got all the way
into the laundry room area,which is where they had advised
her that they had found a deadbody, when she opened the door
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she saw the body of whatappeared to be a female, slumped
over in a wheelchair, with ablack plastic trash bag pulled
around her head and down almostover her shoulders.
And from the smell and from thelook of her, her body, it was
obvious she'd been there for atleast a day, if not more.
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And I think on her report sheactually said that it looked
like she had burn marks on herarms.
It was like she had severalburn spots on her arm.
And at this point she backedout, called for backup, called
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for all of her other people, youknow the crime scene
investigators, her chief, hercaptain, yada, yada, yada.
And once they got there theystarted to set up a perimeter
and she went to go move her carto the end of the street block
to block it out or to block offthe flow of traffic to that area
because it was crime scene.
And again she looked down andshe saw that the heavy set guy
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had now been joined by anotherguy who looked to be a little
bit younger and slimmer, and shemade note of this to her
captain, who was captain Hollins.
And captain Hollins had workedin the area for a long time.
He knew pretty much everybodyand he knew these folks too.
So he, you know, looked out,saw who it was, recognized them
both and, you know, basicallywent over and told him like hey,
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come on, one was Mr LaFerrinDeSean Goodman.
He went by fee, fee, I believe.
He was 26 at the time and helived at the house, at the house
that they had been called towith a dead body in it.
And the other guy, the heavyset guy, his name was Patrick, I
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think.
He went by Bubby and he and FEEwere really good friends, you
know, hung out a lot and they'dactually been hanging out for
the last couple days while hismom had been been out of town.
So the captain gets FEE andheavy set guy, he gets FEE and
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brings him back to the house.
I think they take heavy set guyback to the station to get him
the question, because they don'tthey don't actually know the
full story of what's going on.
All they know is they've got adead body in a laundry room.
Well, according to excuse me,according to Valerie Clark's
report, she said that theybrought him back into the house
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and they let him, like, went tothe house and, without him being
led or being told, he wentstraight to the body in the
laundry room, came back out,said yes, that's Tasha, and then
they put him in the control,the patrol car to take him down
to the station to get a ticket,an interview, to get a statement
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.
So let's back up a little bit,because now they know that the
body they found was V'sgirlfriend and they know that
the body's been there for acouple days.
That's, that's pretty much itat this point.
Now, from what they gatheredafter that, v's mom, who was Ms
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Sharon Goodman, she had been outof town and In Alexandria, I
believe, visiting her father.
He had had some kind ofprocedure at the hospital, so
she had stayed with him.
That's not out of town.
Well, she had stayed the nightat the hospital with him, a few
nights, pretty much throughoutthe entire week.
I don't know if he was having aprocedure or if he had just
been Recovery.
(09:38):
I don't know what.
I don't remember exactly whatit was.
But I know she was in a like afew nights basically, since like
Monday night and got home thatThursday, that Thursday
afternoon.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
So it's literally an hour away.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Yeah, well, it's still out of town.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Which for some people overnight somewhere else is the
point some people that mightseem like awfully far, but it's
not guys and so Normally in thehouse they had there had been.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
From what I gathered, the information that I have, it
may have been different, butfrom what I understand there was
at least fee.
His girlfriend and mom lived inthat house there on Carolina
Avenue and I am unsure of howlong the had been dating the
girlfriend who now we know isthe victim.
I couldn't find it anywhere howlong they had known each other,
(10:28):
how long they have been dating,but here's what I do know.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Who called this?
Speaker 1 (10:33):
again who called I'll get back to that in just a
second because it's aninteresting point.
Well, I already told you guysearlier, I guess I could say it
again Charles Bell.
Charles Bell is who called9-1-1.
We'll get to that becausethat's, that's one of my little.
This is odd points.
So these girlfriend which isnot how she should be known and
remembered forever, because shewas her own person Miss Natasha
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Christina Bates.
She was born in February,february 17th, so she had
literally just turned 23, 11days before, or, yeah, 11 days
before she died, actually ninedays before she died, and then,
anyway, so she was 23 years oldat the time that she passed away
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and Was murdered that that, butwe'll get there.
So she was from Jackson but Ibelieve most of her actual I
heard Immediate family they wereall from Indiana, I believe, if
my notes yeah, from Indiana,and that comes later when
they're doing the sentencingstuff but she Was for them and
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there's from their statement.
She was very caring, verytrusting and very naive and, as
most of us are at 23, you justdon't have a lot of world
knowledge at that age.
And she had met fee at the jobCorps event in, I think it was,
crystal Spring, mississippi.
And when they met there it wasjust kind of they hit it off
(12:03):
real well.
And again, I don't exactly knowhow long they had known each
other or how long they had beendating, but at the time that
this occurred, these eventshappened, they were living
together and she had been livingwith him, although she was
supposed to be leaving at thefirst week of March I think it
was March 4th that she wassupposed to be going to do like
an onboarding training for thejob Corps.
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She had something lined out forthat.
She was supposed to be leavingwithin the next week to be going
to do that.
So she was still, you know,working on things, getting
things together for herself andtrying to Further her life and
do better.
Now, if any of you are wonderingwhat job Corps is, of course
you can do a quick Google, but Idid also had to do a quick
Google because I know what thehell that was.
Really I didn't, I reallydidn't.
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I'd never heard of it.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Somebody was sheltered.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Yeah, it is Crystal Springs.
It's Crystal Springs,mississippi, and that let me
just read you real quick.
It specifically says but it'salmost like a college type thing
or training type thing, I guess, Think of it as the hive For
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bees.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
All the bees can go there, okay or have to go there,
but you have to be within acertain age group.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
I see, okay, so it's.
It says they provide freecareer training and education
for 16 to 24 year olds.
They have over 120 campusesacross the US where students
gain experience needed to begina career or apprenticeship and
then they can advance theireducation, join the military,
and it's free more or less it's,if you struggled in school,
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struggled in social environmentsor struggled at all, in general
low income have nowhere else toturn, you can go to the job
Court is kind of like a I don'twant to say halfway house.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
But no, no, no, no, it's almost like.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
It's almost like having a union for kids like you
know what I mean, like havingHaving somewhere that you can go
, that's going to support youand help you grow and further
your education as well as yourCollege.
No, no, no, not college.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Yes, I know I'm gonna be like it's just a good way
for.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Children who may not have the option to pay for
college or training or Tradeschool or something like that.
This gives them an opportunityto get the foot in the door, get
that education at least getthat on their ability to mark it
off on a resume or to show iton a resume.
Or to show it on a resume.
That would they have some kindof experience in something.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Mostly, it gives you a solid foundation and people to
talk to that are in the sameboat, have the same Right.
Same things happen to them.
Same things happen to you.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Yeah.
So anyway, they meet at job core, they start dating.
They end up living in the samehouse.
She had been living there, and,um, at this point, what we know
is Fee said that that was herin the laundry room and she
looked like she'd been there acouple days.
Excuse me, they are nowprocessing the scene for
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evidence and they've got Fee andhis buddy, bubby Patrick, back
at the station to get interviewsand statements.
What I was going into, though,before was mom Sharon.
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She had just got home thatafternoon.
She had been gone hanging outwith her dad for his medical
stuff at the hospital in Ellick,and when she got home,
according to her statement, feehad helped her get, or maybe
that was hers and Patrick'sBubby's.
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Either way.
Basically, when she got home,he had helped carry stuff in the
house for her while she wasstill unloading stuff from the
car, and then when she asked,hey, where's Tasha?
He said in there and then kindof walked off in the opposite
direction, and when she got home, him and Bubby had been in the
driveway tinkering with thebikes that they were messing
with or something, and justmessing with stuff in the
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driveway.
So they weren't actually in thehouse and she thought it was
kind of odd that he said it likethat and just kind of pointed
and didn't think too much of ituntil she went inside and had
the smell.
Now this is when you asked meearlier, when I was talking
about it, who called 911.
And damn sure it wasn't her.
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She walked in the house andit's not because she didn't have
a phone or because she was insuch shock she didn't know
anybody to call her.
No, no, no, no, no, that's notthe case.
She called someone other,someone.
She called family members andrelatives, who then called her
neighbor, charles Bell, wholived right up the road.
And they got statements fromall of these people, but
apparently the one that shecalled was not even in the same
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state.
From what I understand her, shewas hours away and she's the
one who called Charles Bell, whoit would then, in turn, went
over to the house and pulled up,which was corroborated by
bubby's statement later.
But anyway, he goes over to thehouse.
He's the one who calls 911after he gets on the scene and
sees the dead body.
She never once called 911.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Although you can't even begin to imagine the
mindset that people are inExactly.
Never having into any contactwith any kind of law enforcement
uniform or anything of thissort, not even that Like walking
into the house to see a deadbody.
And then being blindsided bythe first dead person you've
ever seen in your life.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Yeah, and to have it be that, and this.
This was a gruesome find.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
And like it's kind of like finding a dog mess in the
living room floor after you getback home.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
But a million times worse, because this isn't a dog
mess, this is a human that hasbeen murdered.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
I'm saying you throw a paper towel over and you move
on until somebody else knowswhat to do with it.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
Right, but that's that's no, it's awful, and for
this specifically it was.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Does she need the wheelchair Just?
Speaker 1 (17:50):
a shock.
No, no, no, no, we'll get tothat.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
You also didn't mention that the bag was tied
around her neck.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
It was tied completely around because we'll
get to that, we'll get to that,we'll get there.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
You're saying the way you picture the word image you
made.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
So basically, I don't want to sound too hypocritical
or too critical in general of ofmom, because a couple of things
that are going to go throughyour head this is the most
stressful situation she's beenin, probably to date.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Even though her dad's in the hospital currently.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Even though that, because this has come out of
nowhere, she's got a millionthings running through her mind.
Of course you're going to havescattered thoughts, of course
you're going to be worriedbecause this is her son.
Now that she has to think about, this is her son's girlfriend,
who's now dead in her laundryroom and she doesn't know what
happened.
But she is still a protectivemother.
And, on top of that, like I canunderstand the confusion, I can
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understand the the missed, um,missed points of like hey, I
don't, I don't.
You know, I should call thepolice, but I don't want to.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
I get it.
Three lawyer ever tells you donot talk to the police.
In a nutshell, Fair enough.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
So I can understand mom, I can understand her
missing that, that that crucialelement of calling 911 first.
So back real quick to the crimescene.
They have found the body andthen, once they've removed the
bag from the top part of herchest and her head, they see an
obvious glaring bullet wound tothe left temple.
(19:15):
Okay, so initial thought thisis the cause of death.
Because they don't see anythingelse, just on a cursory,
superficial glance.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Plus bullets of the head usually doesn't pull it to
the head usually doesn't.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
So, um, then they see no signs of violence.
Otherwise in the house there'sno other.
Like I said, the one spot whereit looked like it had drained
or dripped onto the floor intothat blood spot on where was
that?
In the room that was in adifferent closet of the house,
In a closet.
It was off of the living roomin a closet, yes, and it looked
like something had been leftthere, and then it wasn't there
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anymore.
So let's go ahead.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
Was she always in a wheelchair Like did she?
Speaker 1 (19:55):
No, no no, no, no, no .
Well, he said in a minutebecause she was not, she was
going to the job course.
She was 23 years old.
She was fully functional, fullyable, fully capable.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Well, you put them in a wheelchair, easy to all
around.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
That's the thought, so we're going to go.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
So who hauled her from where she got shot?
Speaker 1 (20:12):
We're about to get there.
Let's go listen to that house.
You don't have to wait long foranswers.
This one was open and shut andit was never a question of food.
You're not right?
Speaker 2 (20:21):
She got wheeled from some other place where she got
shot in the wheelchair bysomebody else.
That is true.
That didn't shoot her, that'strue.
No, the shooter wheeler, theshooter, yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
At the scene.
Outside of the blood spot andoutside of the body itself, they
found one single shell casingand put a ring on it.
The way that it was describedin the report was a single gun
casing.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Okay, yes, that's, that's what I'm saying to the
couch.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Okay, yes, if there was a large couch, which is
where he said that Tasha wassitting, and the smaller couch,
which is about six or seven feetaway from the large couch,
that's a big ass living room.
Yeah, um, decent size.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
So the couches weren't close together at all,
they were my body length apart.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Look at the ones in our living room right now.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
They're at least six, seven feet apart.
So the couches were closetogether, the people were far
apart.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
No, the couches were six to seven feet apart.
Now it said that the couch, thebig couch, was south from the
small couch, being east in thehouse.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
You just say you don't know directions.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
I haven't written in my notes, so the way that it was
sitting he would have shot, youknow, the south towards the
couch, the large couch.
Anyway, they found the casingby the large couch which use a
rectangle.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
He was sitting on the short side of the rectangle.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
She was sitting on the long side.
Yeah, so if anything, no, justto describe this gone north just
to describe this.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Okay so short side of the rectangle is where he was.
Long side is where she was.
Uh-huh, the bullet casing fromwhere he was sitting on the
short side ended up behind heron the long side.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
Uh-huh.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
That's way easier to visualize than north, southeast
and the west.
That's why you're here Likehonestly.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
I don't know how to do these things.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
I have no idea.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
My brain makes it work.
I don't know how to explain it.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
They don't know what direction the house is facing.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
It doesn't even know which direction is, which you
know.
It doesn't matter South andeast, never eat soggy waffles.
I always know which way theyare.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Yeah, but I'm always in a weird square in the house.
She might be able to rememberthat, but she don't remember to
make the waffle soggy.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Well, it is what it is, okay.
So, like I said, you don't haveto wait long for any kind of
solution or resolution in thewho done it.
Part of this story becauseEspecially when I'm involved.
True, very true, but this one'spretty easy to put together.
There were only two people inthat house.
As far as we know, one of themis dead.
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So let's go first to Bubby, orPatrick, his statement.
The heavy set guy.
They took him in.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
The one mean Muggin from the beginning.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Yeah, he wouldn't really mean Muggin.
He was just looking Because youknow all the people in Verity
and any state or any city reallylike if you have people, you
can have people here that yousee cop cars coming in in swarms
, of course you're going to stopand scare.
You've got rubber neckers fordays.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Who would stop and stare when you just got a free
pass to not do the speed limit?
Speaker 1 (23:18):
Right, that's also true.
That's where all the cops are.
Let's go.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
All right, they took the heat off those doodoo's.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
They don't have the big enough fleet to come after
us all.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
All right, I already counted all six of the squad
cars from the station.
Let's do this.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
That's right, but then you're going to watch out
for LSP anyway.
So, according to Bubby, hisstatement was that on Tuesday,
february 26, two days before thebody, before they called 911,
bubby said that he had gone overlate Tuesday evening and
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knocked on the door because hewanted to see what they were up
to.
And apparently Tasha came andanswered the door, said that he
was sleeping.
He looked around her, saw Feein there laying down and he kind
of said I was like yo man,what's up, whatever.
And he was like I'll just comeback tomorrow and hang out with
you guys tomorrow because hewouldn't get out of bed.
So that was it about.
I want to say.
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He said it was somewhere likeeight, maybe seven, eight,
somewhere in there.
I don't honestly remember whathe said in his statement.
And when he returned the nextday, on Wednesday the 27th, he
got there and they were likebarbecuing and hanging out
outside and he got to notice inlike wait, wait, somebody's
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missing.
Where's Tasha, where'd she goor where's she at?
And Fee kind of like mumbled tothe side and like very oddly
answered oh, she left early andhe was talking about, of course,
like her on board training orwhatever it was that she was
going to do for the job corps,right, but Bubby knew that she
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wasn't supposed to leave till, Ibelieve it was March 4th, so
about a week from that time shewas supposed to be leaving, but
he didn't think too much of it,he just kind of shrugged it off.
They kept cooking, they playeddominoes all into the evening
time and then I think at onepoint they left to go to KFC to
check on an application thatBubby had put in.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
Which is walking distance, by the way.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
Walking distance.
Yes, and they took the bikes.
Remember I said they weretinkering with the bikes.
When Bee's mom came home theytook those and did all that and
they made that run while theygot back and again still hanging
out out front.
Because that's what they do,that's what people do, and
especially in fairy, and itdon't little area like they just
hang out out front.
You don't want people in yourhouse.
See, now you live Exactly.
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So.
They got back and Bubby saidsomething about it being chilly
outside.
So they went ahead and wentinside and when he made mention
of him feeling a little bittired, he went ahead and made a
cup of cup of coffee for him.
He made a whole pot of coffee.
They drank a cup and then hesaid you know what?
I think I'm just going to goahead and go home because I'm
tired.
So Wednesday evening he had beenin the house.
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He said he went home probablyabout eight o'clock that night
and then went over on Thursday,thursday morning, early, early
afternoon to go hang out with Vand you know they were messing
around with the bikes andwhatever until V's mom got home.
And according to him, when momgot home he said that like V ran
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over real quick and helped herbring all the stuff in the house
.
She was out by the car he wastaking stuff in for her and then
when she was taking the last ofit into the house to go start
laundry, according to him, vcame and asked him if he could
borrow his bike to go up to thegas station to get a pack of
cigarettes or something.
And he said, sure, you know, noproblem, he borrowed my bike
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all the time.
I let him do that and then,while he was waiting, while
Patrick Bubby was waiting for Vto come back, he was standing up
on the corner and looked backdown.
He saw a like gold truck comesquealing in and pull up to V's
house.
The guy jumps out, runs in thehouse and then a couple of
minutes later he sees cop carsand then more cop cars.
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And that was about the timethat V came back and was like
what's going on?
And that's what Patrick asked.
Bubby asked.
V was like what's going on downthere?
Do you know what's going on?
He's like, oh man, I don't know.
And that's when they came outand from that point in the story
we kind of know what happenedup until the point they went to
the police station.
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That was when they noticed thatthey were out there.
But Detective Hollinsrecognized who they were and so
on and so forth.
So as far as they could see andtell everything in his story,
kind of checked out, they had noreason to believe that he was
lying.
Really he seemed verybewildered and genuinely
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distraught.
He had no idea what hadhappened.
So they are at the same timethey're interviewing him,
they're also talking to V andinitially V didn't want to admit
anything.
He didn't know what happened.
He kept trying to say that thelast time he saw her was Tuesday
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night and yada, yada, yada.
But it didn't take long for himto switch it up and go ahead and
admit like yeah, okay, here'swhat happened.
So first he said nothing, thengoing to Mississippi due to the
job court, then changed it atleast four more times and then
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eventually his quote was Ididn't mean to do it.
Now it's very, very vague.
He gives no actual reason.
Everything that I read and Iread literally everything I
could find, because I like toknow things, I like things to be
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complete, and I could not, forthe life of me, from anything I
read, figure out why this mighthave happened?
Because one very well placedshot to the temple doesn't seem
like I was accidentally messingwith the gun behind her while
she was sitting on the couch andit accidentally went off and
shot her perfectly in the tipbowl and killed her.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
No, no, he didn't mean to.
What he meant to do was justscare her a little bit.
Maybe, Put it up to their head.
You know you don't mean to pullthe trigger every time.
Well, there was no stibbling.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
There was, it wasn't close enough for that to have
been a thing.
It has to be at least three tofour feet away.
But what he says, the way thathe says he shot her, the way he
says that it happened, and Ican't refute with any kind of
degree of any kind of certaintybecause, unfortunately for us,
and like I said in the intro,the family asked for her autopsy
and all of her medical recordsthat were attached to this case
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to be sealed, so they I wasn'tallowed to see the autopsy, so I
have no idea about trajectories, I have no idea of knowing if
she was.
I don't know.
All I know is she has a leftgunshot wound to her temple,
gunshot wound to her left temple.
That's it and that's how.
That was her cause of death.
That was how she died.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
And you said there was some stuff laying on the
ground.
Yeah let me, let me, let meexplain that because he gets in
the chair.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
He gets into that as well.
He said she was sitting on thecouch and the way he describes
it.
There was like a couch here andthen on this wall there was
another chair or something.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
And he was sitting on these ones accidentally shot
her and she was sitting on thecouch and he didn't want blood
to get all over his mama's couch.
So he went and got a trash bagand tried to catch the blood
with the bag and then he gotscared, didn't want to go to
jail, he didn't want to catchthose charges.
So he put another bag aroundher to catch the blood and keep
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it from getting on the couch,moved her to the closet that day
, and that was on Tuesday, the26th.
Ok, it was in the evening, Ithink.
He said probably between 930and 10 in the evening, ok, so
hey sir all of this is to saythat it didn't really fit.
It didn't really line up withwhat he was saying, that he
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accidentally shot her in thehead from the small couch where
she was on the large couch.
They asked him like how Ialready put a hole in that one
too.
How come we didn't find anyblood on the couch?
He said he cleaned it and said,well, he cleaned that and he
washed the pillows and all thetowels that he used.
He said he only shot.
There was only one shot.
Why he didn't call 911 wasbecause he was upset.
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He didn't know what to do.
But then you know, the questionthat that begs is well then,
why would you clean up afteryourself?
Why clean up after the crime?
And his answer to that was hedidn't want to go to jail.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
What was the bloody pile of clothes?
Speaker 1 (31:34):
that was from where she had been sat in the closet.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Was it where the clothes there before she was sat
there, or was that where shegot shot?
No, and the clothes were there.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
No, that was really just blood splatter.
That was literally just thespot.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
There was no splatter .
Speaker 1 (31:47):
That was why they asked about the blood on the
couch, because if she got shoton the couch, it would be
everywhere they would be able tofind evidence of that, because
it would have been high velocity2008,.
It would have been able to findany kind of but you also have
to think about the area thatyou're in.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
Doesn't matter.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
If they didn't call LSP which I don't believe they
did, I don't see any record ofthat If they didn't call in any
higher crime scene investigatorsto be able to luminal and spray
test, and all of that for alittle more.
Yes, you do for high velocityblood spatter.
That's pretty much if you, ifyou have cleaned surface, if you
have done a good enough job.
But see, but then in my mindthat makes me wonder because,
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like, why would you leave theblood spot in the closet, where
where the blood is leaked out ofher while she was in the closet
?
Why would you leave that andthen clean up everything else?
Because it's in the closet, youdon't think anybody's going to
see it.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
I'm telling you she was laying down on that shit
that was in the closet when shegot shot and he just moved it
all in there, don't know,because that would explain why
there wasn't any splatteranywhere that he had to clean up
.
She was probably laying down onthe couch with that shit there,
right?
Speaker 1 (32:45):
Well, if we had the autopsy, we'd know the
trajectory and then we'd be ableto say, but it could have said
something, right yeah.
With a 25 caliber.
I feel like it should have been.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
Well, it depends on the gun.
Honestly, yeah, a 22 is notgoing to go out of your skull
Not usually but a 25 caliber.
I would think 25 caliber isaround the same size with a
little bit more power, right, alittle bit more powder in the
shell, that's it.
If it's shot from six feetapart, like you said, and it
goes through the temple, that'sa hard ass piece of bone,
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depending on where it hit.
Of course you got some of thethicker bones in the skull there
, all the brain, all that matter, all that juiciness.
A 25 caliber wouldn't gothrough all that, or at least
not enough to make a giantsplatter.
It might.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
The pictures that we saw they didn't look like actual
spatter though it just lookslike it was just straight, it
didn't look like a gunshot woundin the head.
Yeah, now, he said he moved herto the closet, which is he just
set her in the closet.
He didn't put her in awheelchair at that point.
Now there was a wheelchairalready in his house because of
his family members or somethinghad left one at the house for
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other family members to be ableto get around and do stuff
inside the house.
It was just there, it wasalready present in the home and
on Thursday morning he said Idon't know, I don't know.
On Thursday morning he saidthat he, for whatever reason, he
decided to move her from thecloset to the laundry room and
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use the wheelchair to help gether there, because she was way
too heavy to be able to move atthat point, because this is
almost what 36-ish hoursThursday morning from Tuesday
night.
So she would have been in fullrigor, she would have been hard
to move around in general, andthat the dead weight is an
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actual thing, like it's hard tomove a body of any size after a
certain point because it's justit's hard to maneuver by
yourself especially.
So he stuck her in thewheelchair, moved her into the
laundry room, closed that doorand left her.
It's not that hard and theyasked in the interview if it was
an accident, why didn't youcall the police?
Well, they would have put me injail.
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And let me tell you this aboutthe gun the reason that I know
about this story is a really,really amazing person in front
of mine.
He was an investigator for ouroffice and he was a police
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officer for years in Mississippi.
Thirty-eighth special, very,very special person to me and my
family.
It was a twenty-five, but anyway, he was explaining the story to
me and the only part that heremembered was that a member of
I think it was the publicdefender's office I think it was
one of the attorneys actuallywas either given or told
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information about where the gunwas from the family and he
didn't know what to do.
Like, what am I supposed to do?
How am I supposed to hand thisover?
And come to find out the familyhad found it in a toy box in
the house.
It was all on the same day, soit wasn't like it was a long
time in between, but theyeventually located it by the
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family, located it in a toy boxinside the house.
So that's the part that my dearfriend remembered from this
story and that's how we got towhere we are telling it now.
So just a little shout out forhim there, and so they have the
gun, they have him, they.
They know it was a twenty-fivecaliber pistol.
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They asked him what he wasdoing with it, why he was
messing with it, and you knowhis answers were again very
vague.
There's not a whole lot ofinformation that he would give
them and, seeing as he's theonly one that was there, and
apparently the autopsy andmedical records that came back
from that didn't refute hisstatement in so much as they
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could charge him, I guess,because initially he went to
jail, he was booked on a hundredand twenty five thousand dollar
bond by Judge Johnson, Ibelieve, at the time.
Yeah, it was Judge Johnson whosaid his bond, but it was Judge
Leo Booth who presided over hiscase in its entirety because he
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was in Division B.
Hey, I know that guy.
Yeah, now this happened inFebruary, at the end of February
in 2008.
By April of 2009, he he hadthey worked out a deal with the
district attorney and hisdefense attorney, who was Robert
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Clark for the public defender'soffice at that time, and we've
heard about him before as well.
So he was the attorney forDebbie Adams had a whole
rigmarole over that, but whenthey got to April they made a
(37:51):
deal and he pled to manslaughterand I'm going to come back to
that, I promise.
I just wanted to let you know.
Dude, how many things are yougoing?
Speaker 2 (37:59):
to come back to.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
No, no, that one for sure, because that one's more
insensitive.
And I want to make sure thatthat one's at the end, because I
want to talk about thestatements from Tasha's family.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
It's a good thing.
You got like 18 things in noteshere.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
Yeah, for sure, for sure so 20 more hours of right
so we don't know anything aboutthe autopsy but we do have other
statements from witnesses ornot technically witnesses.
They were like ear witnessesbecause they had neighbors that
lives right next door that wasthe grandma and like a cousin or
somebody that or no sister I'msorry sister and cousin that
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live right next door.
They wrote statements that theyhad heard a single gunshot
around 930 10 Tuesday night andthe sister had actually done
Tasha's hair on Monday night.
So like she had a pretty goodidea of how things went because
Monday she had done her hair.
Tuesday she heard the gunshotand then Thursday when they
heard that she had been foundher body had been found she was
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like oh my gosh, that's whatthat was.
So they also had anotherindependent witness that also
said they heard a gunshot aroundthat time.
And then they had Bubby'sstatement about Fee telling him
while she left early, whichdidn't make a whole lot of sense
.
And then the grandma and sisteralso said that he had acted
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kind of weird the last couple ofdays, just outside of his
normal, like self.
He was just off.
Something was definitely offwith him.
So it wasn't a whole lot like.
That was pretty much open andshut.
They went from finding the bodyto having him in custody.
He didn't get back out.
They started the trial processand doing all of that.
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Now, interestingly, theystarted with one district
attorney In the interim from thetime he was arrested to the
time that this got to trial andpleading to a to a deal with the
prosecutor.
The prosecutor actually changed, so he made a deal with one guy
and then they elected the newdistrict attorney, who is our
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current district attorney, bradBrigette.
He was elected and took overthe office before this case was
closed out.
So the deal that LaFerrinGoodman made with the previous
district attorney stood whenBrad took office, so he couldn't
do anything about that dealthat was already made.
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Now the reason I say that isbecause the family was not happy
with this.
They were not okay withmanslaughter even being offered
and because he didn't actuallygive an actual reason and he
said it was an accident andnobody ever said anything to
refute it and there wasn't atrial.
They didn't get a chance to puton the medical examiner and
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have their opinion.
So we don't.
We don't really know and, likeI said, that sealed, that part
of the record is sealed.
So I didn't even get the chanceto see, to give anybody else
you know a little bit to workwith on making different
assumptions.
So all you have is my littlelittle bit of cleverness to go
off of a little bit so when hewas arrested he was booked on
second degree murder charges and, like I said, the bond was set
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at 125,000.
He went into trial posture withhis attorney, robert Clark, and
eventually they got to the pleaagreement for manslaughter with
a cap of 40 years for the judgeto decide.
So he pled guilty tomanslaughter and that was in
April, the very I think it wasthe day before the end of the
(41:31):
month.
Either way, the very end ofApril he pled and then they did
a pre sense investigation.
Do you know what that is?
Psi, pre sense?
Speaker 2 (41:39):
pounds for scoring.
Speaker 1 (41:41):
Yes, but this is the court version, so a PSI or a
stop intoxicating me presentence investigation pre
seminal and flux no Fluxcapacitor so perfect symmetry,
instantly Sure.
(42:02):
Sure Private.
Sell your eye?
Speaker 2 (42:08):
No, it's plain sex innovator.
Speaker 1 (42:11):
Okay, so pre sentence investigation is exactly what
it sounds like.
It is an investigation thattakes place prior to being
sentenced by a judge, and itsreasoning is specifically
because they get statements fromthe people involved, they get
statements from the victimsfamily, they get statements from
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the defense, itself Relevantbecause this is the sentencing.
This is what they got and Italk about different things when
they do this instead of goingto court, basically, yeah, what?
What happens when you make aplea like this and there's no?
idea who the dude is they kindof get an idea of the background
of the family and what happened, because they didn't have a
court.
That judge, at this point, issupposedly without knowledge.
(42:55):
You're, you're coming into itand they are only given what
they see for it during the trial.
So until that point they don'tknow anything about anything.
So when they go to do theirsentencing, that's, the judge
gets all the information at thatpoint once they plead.
So they get the informationfrom that, the reports and
everything that are given.
They get the pre sentenceinvestigation that is done and
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they get all that information tomake their decision on how much
time they want to give them.
Speaker 2 (43:21):
So they have a blank canvas to pretty up however they
want to pretty up, right and orto dirty up, however they want
to dirty up because you get bothsides exactly and you get the
police reports and all of theinformation.
Speaker 1 (43:32):
That is what had been presented at trial.
Speaker 2 (43:35):
Hey, I can make a lot of bad people look real good.
Speaker 1 (43:37):
Yeah, you can try.
So really I'm a silver tongueIn.
In technical terms it'sproviding judicial guidance in
this case because there was noevidence presented, because
there was no trial.
So he pleads in April.
I think they set the sentencingfor September.
Honestly, he's still sitting injail waiting for the judge to
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make up his mind.
They go back into the sentencingand they were actually going to
try to continue it that dayfrom the transcript that I read.
But the family had flown downfrom Indiana to be there, to be
in person in court to be able togive their impact statements
directly to the judge.
So they did it that day.
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They postponed it till the endof all of the other stuff that
was going on, but they did itthat day.
So as it stands, according tothe statute for manslaughter you
can only be charged up to 40years.
40 years is the maximum and thelaw, according to the language
in the statute, it does notallow the judge to sentence him,
no matter how many years.
(44:42):
It doesn't allow for sentencingwithout benefits because I know
we've talked about it, you knowlife without parole.
So, lwop, we've talked aboutthat before the life without
suspension of sentence orbenefit of anything.
Speaker 2 (44:57):
Basically the death penalty, except you have to live
it out.
Speaker 1 (45:00):
Right, but manslaughter doesn't have that
term, the terminology, thatlanguage in its statute.
So the judge technically can'tdo that.
And the reason I make thatpoint is because in the victim
impact statements which werefrom the mother and father of
Tasha, they both were askingbasically you know, pleading
(45:20):
with the judge, like we didn'twant this, we didn't like this
deal.
And even Brad Brigitte gets onwhen he does his closing
statement, what have you?
In the sentencing portion, thesentencing hearing, he says I
wouldn't have made this deal, itwould have been at least murder
or would have been at leastmurder.
Two, he wishes he could go backand undo it because he feels
like this isn't justice, I mean,like it was a whole freaking
(45:42):
thing.
So the couple of things that Idid take out from the parent
statements this was theirfirstborn child, firstborn
daughter, and apparently Tashahad a nine year old that at the
time that she passed away thatshe was murdered.
She said that the dad statementwas pretty long but the mom
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statement was kind of short.
She just was basically like youguys have no idea how intense
this pain is.
Losing a child is the worstthing ever.
Please, please, do her justice.
I don't have the liberty ofvisiting my daughter and she
actually went and looked at herdaughter's body because until
she saw the body, she couldn'tbelieve it was real.
(46:29):
And it was just.
It was heart wrenching, it wasabsolutely.
It was rough, it was rough toread.
So she said that and you know,just, please give him the
maximum sentences, don't let himget on probation, don't let him
do any of that, because hedoesn't deserve it.
Nobody did justice by us.
Please do justice by us.
And we find out in the father'sstatement she was murdered on
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his birthday and that he has nofaith in anything anymore
because he was raised to believethat God took care of rights
and wrongs and he's been goingto therapy for the last, however
long since everything happened,trying to get that faith back,
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because he no longer believed inany of that, because he
believed that his daughter wasflat out murdered and he'll
never have that that back.
And he knows how good of aperson she was and it was just,
it was just awful.
And for her to have been killedon his birthday, like every
year, that's going to be thereminder.
Speaker 2 (47:32):
Yeah, so I kind of, I kind of get that feels.
Speaker 1 (47:35):
Yeah, it's not your fault.
Speaker 2 (47:37):
Yeah, one of the greatest tragedies in American
history.
Yeah, pretty rough.
Speaker 1 (47:45):
But you made it and now it's almost like it's a
vacation day.
So it's not almost, it's almosta vacation.
It's still terrible.
It is still terrible.
So, like I said earlier, bradBrigette, the district attorney
that was actually elected as atime he took office in January
of 2009.
So at the time that the dealwas made, he wasn't a part of it
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and he also believed it shouldhave been second degree murder,
but there wasn't anything hecould do about it because his
hands were tied.
So, judge Leo Booth, actuallythat guy get messed up in prison
.
As far as I am aware, no one.
You can write him an asking.
Speaker 2 (48:25):
Okay, he was text girls back.
Speaker 1 (48:27):
He was sentenced to 35 years to the hard labor in
the Department of Correctionsand the judge actually said on
record Judge Judge Booth saidthat he he has no capability of
sentencing him to that withoutsuspension of suspension of
sentence or benefits, because itjust doesn't, the law doesn't
allow for him to do that.
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But he gave him 35 years.
He had 36 months to post postconviction relief.
He did file that in Septemberof 2012.
But nothing came of that.
They just told me just you'regonna serve all your time and as
of right now, he is 42.
(49:08):
And he is at the David WadeCorrectional Center in Homer to
show like the step down fromAngola.
It's basically a rollover forless violent people.
So block a.
He's 42.
Yeah, and he's so 15.
And, as far as I know, I haven'theard anything outside of
(49:32):
outside of this since, since hedid the post conviction, because
when you take a plea deal andyou accept that you actually are
waiving your right to a circuitthird circuit court of appeals,
you don't get to make thoseappeals anymore.
Speaker 2 (49:48):
You get what you get and you don't throw fit.
Speaker 1 (49:50):
That's right.
Once you make that deal, you'rebasically saying, okay, I give
up all my rights to all thosethese benefits that I would get
if I go to trial, but I'm nottaking a gamble on losing the
rest of my life.
So, because second degree islife without life, without
benefits.
So yeah, and, like I said, thiswas a very interesting one for
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me because the information thatI was given at the very
beginning was like body found inthe house, they had a party,
they found the gun in the toybox and yeah, that's, that's
basically what I was told that Iwas like, oh my gosh what
should that happen here thisweekend?
Speaker 2 (50:27):
Yeah, absolutely crazy minus the dead body.
Speaker 1 (50:33):
Yeah, and it just it blew my mind when I started
getting into the details,because there's so much.
I feel like we don't know, likewe weren't told about what
actually went down that nightand it just doesn't make any
sense to me like nobody none ofthe witnesses, none of the
testimonies, none of thestatements that anything about
any prior incidences.
The only thing that even gotclose was that the dad said
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something about Tasha tellinghim because they talked a lot
that her the previousconversation she'd had with
Tasha about fee was that youknow, they had a lot of
arguments about jealousy andthey were both of them were very
possessive and that the nightbefore that she was shot that
she had made a mention aboutconfronting a big problem with
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him and that she wanted to dothat before she left.
So he seems to believe him inthe moment, like that, because
they think and believe that thatnever even came up, that that
was never mentioned, that nobodyever talked to them to get that
information, and so they were.
They felt very slighted by theofficers and the investigators
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On this case specifically, andthen to hear that he had got a
deal and was gonna be out and itjust it all feels kinda icky, I
don't know.
It just leaves a really badtaste in your mouth.
You wanna take a showerafterwards Because something
doesn't feel right at all.
And both the mom and dad ofTasha were both ex-military and
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they were both, you know, very,very gunned for cross-shes.
And they knew Tasha knew waybetter than to mess around with
them or just, like you know, beknown to be around them or fool
with them.
She didn't like guns, she nevermess with guns.
So I would love to have been afly on the wall to know what he
(52:24):
actually said in the interview,because we don't even have that.
We don't.
I didn't get a transcript ofthat or an audio or nothing.
So it just seemed a littleweird.
It just seemed a little weird.
Speaker 2 (52:35):
So I guess, Teg, you could consider this a case of
the unknown, because there's somuch unknown?
Speaker 1 (52:39):
There's so much that we just don't like there's not a
good cause.
You know, not every case we dois gonna have a nice little tidy
bow on top, but at least youcan kind of guess at what could
have possibly been the reason.
There's just not enoughinformation to even wager, I
guess, at this point.
Speaker 2 (52:55):
Leave it to the uncle of the unknown to make you feel
dirty.
Speaker 1 (52:59):
Yeah, I'll bet.
Speaker 2 (53:01):
I mean, you just said you may have to take a shower
afterwards and she yeah, do youneed a shower?
Your words, yeah.
Speaker 1 (53:07):
Anyway, so that's it for that one.
Guys, leave me a comment, aquestion of what do you think
happened?
Put it somewhere where there'dbe in the YouTube the Jake Talks
, the emails somewhere and ordon't, we don't control your
life.
Or don't.
We don't do that, but like thatwould be awesome, because I
really am lost on this one.
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It's kind of like it could havebeen a million things.
It could have been nothing.
So what are your thoughts?
What do you think?
Speaker 2 (53:33):
Just my theory, like I don't know if she got it on
the thing earlier, but I saidit's very plausible for shell
casing, depending on the gun.
Of course I don't know what kindof gun it was, but depending on
which way the shell ejects, itcould, if you're having If you
have it in your hand, basicallysitting on your lap with your
palm up, and you pull thetrigger, it shoots straight in
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front of you, which is where shewould have been sitting, and
the shell could eject straightupwards and fly back over the
back of the couch that she wassitting on.
Very, very easily happen it.
Just there are a lot ofdifferent variables that we
don't get to take into effectbecause we don't know everything
that went on.
Right.
But you could postulate that hewas sitting there playing with
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the gun, or even had it pointedat her, and if it was a left
ejecting gun it would have shother and it ejected over the
couch backwards.
But typically that's not howguns work they eject to the
right.
So the only way it would havewent over there is if we knew
which way the gun wound wentinto her head Right, the
trajectory of the bullet wound.
(54:39):
Because all we got is a gunwound to the left side of the
head, which is the opposite sideof where he would have been
sitting.
Speaker 1 (54:44):
Right.
Speaker 2 (54:47):
Which would have made it if he shot her with a normal
right ejecting gun would haveput her on the opposite side of
where he said he was.
Yeah, just a lot of things, alot of things.
Speaker 1 (55:01):
That just a big, big-ass question mark.
We don't know if it was a, itwas a investigative side.
We don't know if it was, uh,unable to find the evidence or
not having enough informationinside.
Like he was, was he overdescriptive of of details in
some parts of his story and thennot in others, and that's why
they couldn't proceed forward inthat sense, like there's just a
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lot of like, what the hell's?
Speaker 2 (55:26):
It's because, beyond a reasonable doubt, it's a real
thing.
Oh, absolutely.
And he's the only one that cancorroborate what went on that
night.
That's why everybody tells youto keep your fucking mouth shut.
Exactly, and he did that prettywell apparently.
Speaker 1 (55:36):
There's only gonna be one story.
Speaker 2 (55:38):
Exactly yeah, mine yeah, and I think that's the
only one that's been in areasonable relationship with
that woman.
Speaker 1 (55:44):
That's a terrible story.
Don't go without it.
It didn't work out for Will,for him either.
Speaker 2 (55:48):
All right guys, I think it did.
Thank you so much for listening.
You got some niggity in theWhite House.
The old office, what?
Speaker 1 (55:52):
up.
Yes, he did.
Yes, he did Allegedly.
Allegedly.
No, that one was actuallyprovis, that's not allegedly
anymore.
So Anyway, thank you guys, somuch for listening, thank you
for coming back, thank you forsharing, thank you for being
awesome and keep coming back.
Speaker 2 (56:07):
Thank you for loving me.
Speaker 1 (56:08):
Um, I don't know if that's, that's a little bit of a
stress, so is it most popular.
We'll go with that.
Speaker 2 (56:12):
We'll go with it.
The numbers don't lie.
Speaker 1 (56:13):
Okay, okay, but we appreciate you guys.
We'll see you next time,probably in a bonus episode, and
we'll get back at you later.
Y'all be safe out there, takecare Bye.
15 years ago this month in Concordia Parish, a
mother returned home fromvisiting her ailing father in a
hospital to find the body of ayoung woman in her laundry room,
and was in such a state thatthe family, after the court
proceedings were completed,requested that the district
(00:22):
attorney seal her medicalrecords.
Today, on our 21st episode, wewill go through how, but not
really why, this happened.
This case was interesting fromstart to finish, so don't miss
any of it.
On today's episode of SINLAL.
Hello and welcome to thisepisode of SINLAL where truth
(00:59):
crime meets the legal system.
I'm Kelly.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
And I am Uncle Sawyer .
Speaker 1 (01:04):
We are bringing you another mess of an episode.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Although, as per usual, I know nothing going into
the case.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
That's right.
I think I made a little mentionof it before, but he hardly
ever actually listens to what Isay, so we should be golden.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Yeah, I'm the one that doesn't listen.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Yeah, that's true.
So I don't think we haveanything else.
I literally just want to goahead and get into this and do a
bonus episode later, because wegot to kind of catch everybody
up on what happened since thelast episode with Jimmy Townsend
.
There's been some interestingdevelopments on that, but we'll
get into that in the bonusepisode which should come out
about a week from today.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
At least if we think everybody personally for what
they did wouldn't take very long.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Oh no, absolutely not .
No, just for the listener baseand for everybody that listened
or shared, and just for you knowthe amazing wildfire that it is
just real quick.
Our first episode for thispodcast started.
We aired it in June of lastyear and as of right now, I
(02:14):
think it has like a hundred andtwenty seven or a hundred and
thirty downloads.
Right, the last episode that wejust did, two weeks ago, it has
over a hundred and tendownloads, so it's probably
because I'm on it.
Maybe, but in all of ourepisodes that we've recorded
ever, that one got the mostattention, the most quickly, and
(02:36):
it continues to outdo everyother episode.
We've ever done so for nothingelse than for sharing and making
sure that that got heard.
It may have made a difference,it may not have, but either way
I appreciate each and everysingle one of you that did your
part in just listening to it andbecoming aware of that
situation.
So that means something to thefamily, I guarantee it.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Definitely means something to the family.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Absolutely so.
With all that being done andwe'll get into that more, like I
said, later on, a bonus episodelet's get into today's episode,
which gets us a little bitcloser in terms of how long ago.
It was.
Not a crazy amount, though,because that's 2008.
Still fifteen years ago, rightWait?
Speaker 2 (03:21):
what 2008, 2008.
No, that was like two years ago, dude.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Okay, yeah, that's what I think too.
Two years after I graduated.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Oh damn you old.
Yeah, I know, damn I'm old.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Wow, yeah, anyway, so crazy stuff, this story.
We're going to go to ConcordiaParish, which we've talked about
before.
We're also going to be inFarity, which, coincidentally,
was the exact same spot as ourfirst episode, farity, louisiana
.
So we've talked about both ofthese before, so we don't really
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do a whole lot of like placingand since that, so we can just
get it.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Also very findable on a map, if you're not against it
.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Oddly enough, this isn't a weekend, this isn't a
late night, this isn't.
This is like literally themiddle of the week, right before
dinner or time ish, when the911 gets the phone call.
It was about 520 when they gota phone call from a man by the
name of Charles Bell and he wasrequesting officers to a house
(04:24):
on Carolina Avenue and he placedthe call at 520.
Valerie Clark, one of theofficers, the patrolling
officers she showed up at 523.
So real, quick.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Is it back there behind the auto zone on that
side?
Speaker 1 (04:39):
I don't know if it's on that side or not, but it's in
that general area, I believe.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Or is it by the?
Speaker 1 (04:44):
So yeah, right there, as you're coming into Farity,
if you're coming from Vidalia,if you're leaving out the other
way, going towards Vidalia, beoff on a ride all in that little
subdivision area over there.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
It's on the southern side of Fertigfairie.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
Yeah, either way, north-south-east I can't tell
you directions, I don't know, sobest thing I can tell you,
though, is that it's in themiddle of a bunch of other
houses, there's a lot ofneighbors, a lot of traffic back
and forth in this.
Like I said, thursday at 5 36o'clock, it was a little unusual
, and Miss Valerie Clark she gotthere and got a little bit
(05:16):
information.
As she pulled in, she noticedthat at the end of the street,
kind of looking towards thehouse, there was a heavy set guy
, just how she refers to him inher investigator report, kind of
watching, watching the house orwhatever and as she went to
enter the house she said thatshe got over, overcome by the
(05:39):
smell and actually had to turnback overwhelmed very much so
that the quote smell was allover the house.
And then, once she actuallyproceeded and got all the way
into the laundry room area,which is where they had advised
her that they had found a deadbody, when she opened the door
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she saw the body of whatappeared to be a female, slumped
over in a wheelchair, with ablack plastic trash bag pulled
around her head and down almostover her shoulders.
And from the smell and from thelook of her, her body, it was
obvious she'd been there for atleast a day, if not more.
(06:23):
And I think on her report sheactually said that it looked
like she had burn marks on herarms.
It was like she had severalburn spots on her arm.
And at this point she backedout, called for backup, called
(06:43):
for all of her other people, youknow the crime scene
investigators, her chief, hercaptain, yada, yada, yada.
And once they got there theystarted to set up a perimeter
and she went to go move her carto the end of the street block
to block it out or to block offthe flow of traffic to that area
because it was crime scene.
And again she looked down andshe saw that the heavy set guy
(07:03):
had now been joined by anotherguy who looked to be a little
bit younger and slimmer, and shemade note of this to her
captain, who was captain Hollins.
And captain Hollins had workedin the area for a long time.
He knew pretty much everybodyand he knew these folks too.
So he, you know, looked out,saw who it was, recognized them
both and, you know, basicallywent over and told him like hey,
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come on, one was Mr LaFerrinDeSean Goodman.
He went by fee, fee, I believe.
He was 26 at the time and helived at the house, at the house
that they had been called towith a dead body in it.
And the other guy, the heavyset guy, his name was Patrick, I
(07:48):
think.
He went by Bubby and he and FEEwere really good friends, you
know, hung out a lot and they'dactually been hanging out for
the last couple days while hismom had been been out of town.
So the captain gets FEE andheavy set guy, he gets FEE and
(08:09):
brings him back to the house.
I think they take heavy set guyback to the station to get him
the question, because they don'tthey don't actually know the
full story of what's going on.
All they know is they've got adead body in a laundry room.
Well, according to excuse me,according to Valerie Clark's
report, she said that theybrought him back into the house
(08:30):
and they let him, like, went tothe house and, without him being
led or being told, he wentstraight to the body in the
laundry room, came back out,said yes, that's Tasha, and then
they put him in the control,the patrol car to take him down
to the station to get a ticket,an interview, to get a statement
(08:51):
.
So let's back up a little bit,because now they know that the
body they found was V'sgirlfriend and they know that
the body's been there for acouple days.
That's, that's pretty much itat this point.
Now, from what they gatheredafter that, v's mom, who was Ms
(09:17):
Sharon Goodman, she had been outof town and In Alexandria, I
believe, visiting her father.
He had had some kind ofprocedure at the hospital, so
she had stayed with him.
That's not out of town.
Well, she had stayed the nightat the hospital with him, a few
nights, pretty much throughoutthe entire week.
I don't know if he was having aprocedure or if he had just
been Recovery.
(09:38):
I don't know what.
I don't remember exactly whatit was.
But I know she was in a like afew nights basically, since like
Monday night and got home thatThursday, that Thursday
afternoon.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
So it's literally an hour away.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Yeah, well, it's still out of town.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Which for some people overnight somewhere else is the
point some people that mightseem like awfully far, but it's
not guys and so Normally in thehouse they had there had been.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
From what I gathered, the information that I have, it
may have been different, butfrom what I understand there was
at least fee.
His girlfriend and mom lived inthat house there on Carolina
Avenue and I am unsure of howlong the had been dating the
girlfriend who now we know isthe victim.
I couldn't find it anywhere howlong they had known each other,
(10:28):
how long they have been dating,but here's what I do know.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Who called this?
Speaker 1 (10:33):
again who called I'll get back to that in just a
second because it's aninteresting point.
Well, I already told you guysearlier, I guess I could say it
again Charles Bell.
Charles Bell is who called9-1-1.
We'll get to that becausethat's, that's one of my little.
This is odd points.
So these girlfriend which isnot how she should be known and
remembered forever, because shewas her own person Miss Natasha
(10:58):
Christina Bates.
She was born in February,february 17th, so she had
literally just turned 23, 11days before, or, yeah, 11 days
before she died, actually ninedays before she died, and then,
anyway, so she was 23 years oldat the time that she passed away
(11:19):
and Was murdered that that, butwe'll get there.
So she was from Jackson but Ibelieve most of her actual I
heard Immediate family they wereall from Indiana, I believe, if
my notes yeah, from Indiana,and that comes later when
they're doing the sentencingstuff but she Was for them and
(11:43):
there's from their statement.
She was very caring, verytrusting and very naive and, as
most of us are at 23, you justdon't have a lot of world
knowledge at that age.
And she had met fee at the jobCorps event in, I think it was,
crystal Spring, mississippi.
And when they met there it wasjust kind of they hit it off
(12:03):
real well.
And again, I don't exactly knowhow long they had known each
other or how long they had beendating, but at the time that
this occurred, these eventshappened, they were living
together and she had been livingwith him, although she was
supposed to be leaving at thefirst week of March I think it
was March 4th that she wassupposed to be going to do like
an onboarding training for thejob Corps.
(12:27):
She had something lined out forthat.
She was supposed to be leavingwithin the next week to be going
to do that.
So she was still, you know,working on things, getting
things together for herself andtrying to Further her life and
do better.
Now, if any of you are wonderingwhat job Corps is, of course
you can do a quick Google, but Idid also had to do a quick
Google because I know what thehell that was.
Really I didn't, I reallydidn't.
(12:50):
I'd never heard of it.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Somebody was sheltered.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Yeah, it is Crystal Springs.
It's Crystal Springs,mississippi, and that let me
just read you real quick.
It specifically says but it'salmost like a college type thing
or training type thing, I guess, Think of it as the hive For
(13:14):
bees.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
All the bees can go there, okay or have to go there,
but you have to be within acertain age group.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
I see, okay, so it's.
It says they provide freecareer training and education
for 16 to 24 year olds.
They have over 120 campusesacross the US where students
gain experience needed to begina career or apprenticeship and
then they can advance theireducation, join the military,
and it's free more or less it's,if you struggled in school,
(13:42):
struggled in social environmentsor struggled at all, in general
low income have nowhere else toturn, you can go to the job
Court is kind of like a I don'twant to say halfway house.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
But no, no, no, no, it's almost like.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
It's almost like having a union for kids like you
know what I mean, like havingHaving somewhere that you can go
, that's going to support youand help you grow and further
your education as well as yourCollege.
No, no, no, not college.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Yes, I know I'm gonna be like it's just a good way
for.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Children who may not have the option to pay for
college or training or Tradeschool or something like that.
This gives them an opportunityto get the foot in the door, get
that education at least getthat on their ability to mark it
off on a resume or to show iton a resume.
Or to show it on a resume.
That would they have some kindof experience in something.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Mostly, it gives you a solid foundation and people to
talk to that are in the sameboat, have the same Right.
Same things happen to them.
Same things happen to you.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Yeah.
So anyway, they meet at job core, they start dating.
They end up living in the samehouse.
She had been living there, and,um, at this point, what we know
is Fee said that that was herin the laundry room and she
looked like she'd been there acouple days.
Excuse me, they are nowprocessing the scene for
(15:01):
evidence and they've got Fee andhis buddy, bubby Patrick, back
at the station to get interviewsand statements.
What I was going into, though,before was mom Sharon.
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She had just got home thatafternoon.
She had been gone hanging outwith her dad for his medical
stuff at the hospital in Ellick,and when she got home,
according to her statement, feehad helped her get, or maybe
that was hers and Patrick'sBubby's.
(15:42):
Either way.
Basically, when she got home,he had helped carry stuff in the
house for her while she wasstill unloading stuff from the
car, and then when she asked,hey, where's Tasha?
He said in there and then kindof walked off in the opposite
direction, and when she got home, him and Bubby had been in the
driveway tinkering with thebikes that they were messing
with or something, and justmessing with stuff in the
(16:03):
driveway.
So they weren't actually in thehouse and she thought it was
kind of odd that he said it likethat and just kind of pointed
and didn't think too much of ituntil she went inside and had
the smell.
Now this is when you asked meearlier, when I was talking
about it, who called 911.
And damn sure it wasn't her.
(16:24):
She walked in the house andit's not because she didn't have
a phone or because she was insuch shock she didn't know
anybody to call her.
No, no, no, no, no, that's notthe case.
She called someone other,someone.
She called family members andrelatives, who then called her
neighbor, charles Bell, wholived right up the road.
And they got statements fromall of these people, but
apparently the one that shecalled was not even in the same
(16:45):
state.
From what I understand her, shewas hours away and she's the
one who called Charles Bell, whoit would then, in turn, went
over to the house and pulled up,which was corroborated by
bubby's statement later.
But anyway, he goes over to thehouse.
He's the one who calls 911after he gets on the scene and
sees the dead body.
She never once called 911.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Although you can't even begin to imagine the
mindset that people are inExactly.
Never having into any contactwith any kind of law enforcement
uniform or anything of thissort, not even that Like walking
into the house to see a deadbody.
And then being blindsided bythe first dead person you've
ever seen in your life.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Yeah, and to have it be that, and this.
This was a gruesome find.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
And like it's kind of like finding a dog mess in the
living room floor after you getback home.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
But a million times worse, because this isn't a dog
mess, this is a human that hasbeen murdered.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
I'm saying you throw a paper towel over and you move
on until somebody else knowswhat to do with it.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
Right, but that's that's no, it's awful, and for
this specifically it was.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Does she need the wheelchair Just?
Speaker 1 (17:50):
a shock.
No, no, no, no, we'll get tothat.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
You also didn't mention that the bag was tied
around her neck.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
It was tied completely around because we'll
get to that, we'll get to that,we'll get there.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
You're saying the way you picture the word image you
made.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
So basically, I don't want to sound too hypocritical
or too critical in general of ofmom, because a couple of things
that are going to go throughyour head this is the most
stressful situation she's beenin, probably to date.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Even though her dad's in the hospital currently.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Even though that, because this has come out of
nowhere, she's got a millionthings running through her mind.
Of course you're going to havescattered thoughts, of course
you're going to be worriedbecause this is her son.
Now that she has to think about, this is her son's girlfriend,
who's now dead in her laundryroom and she doesn't know what
happened.
But she is still a protectivemother.
And, on top of that, like I canunderstand the confusion, I can
(18:40):
understand the the missed, um,missed points of like hey, I
don't, I don't.
You know, I should call thepolice, but I don't want to.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
I get it.
Three lawyer ever tells you donot talk to the police.
In a nutshell, Fair enough.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
So I can understand mom, I can understand her
missing that, that that crucialelement of calling 911 first.
So back real quick to the crimescene.
They have found the body andthen, once they've removed the
bag from the top part of herchest and her head, they see an
obvious glaring bullet wound tothe left temple.
(19:15):
Okay, so initial thought thisis the cause of death.
Because they don't see anythingelse, just on a cursory,
superficial glance.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Plus bullets of the head usually doesn't pull it to
the head usually doesn't.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
So, um, then they see no signs of violence.
Otherwise in the house there'sno other.
Like I said, the one spot whereit looked like it had drained
or dripped onto the floor intothat blood spot on where was
that?
In the room that was in adifferent closet of the house,
In a closet.
It was off of the living roomin a closet, yes, and it looked
like something had been leftthere, and then it wasn't there
(19:51):
anymore.
So let's go ahead.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
Was she always in a wheelchair Like did she?
Speaker 1 (19:55):
No, no no, no, no, no .
Well, he said in a minutebecause she was not, she was
going to the job course.
She was 23 years old.
She was fully functional, fullyable, fully capable.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Well, you put them in a wheelchair, easy to all
around.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
That's the thought, so we're going to go.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
So who hauled her from where she got shot?
Speaker 1 (20:12):
We're about to get there.
Let's go listen to that house.
You don't have to wait long foranswers.
This one was open and shut andit was never a question of food.
You're not right?
Speaker 2 (20:21):
She got wheeled from some other place where she got
shot in the wheelchair bysomebody else.
That is true.
That didn't shoot her, that'strue.
No, the shooter wheeler, theshooter, yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
At the scene.
Outside of the blood spot andoutside of the body itself, they
found one single shell casingand put a ring on it.
The way that it was describedin the report was a single gun
casing.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Okay, yes, that's, that's what I'm saying to the
couch.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Okay, yes, if there was a large couch, which is
where he said that Tasha wassitting, and the smaller couch,
which is about six or seven feetaway from the large couch,
that's a big ass living room.
Yeah, um, decent size.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
So the couches weren't close together at all,
they were my body length apart.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Look at the ones in our living room right now.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
They're at least six, seven feet apart.
So the couches were closetogether, the people were far
apart.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
No, the couches were six to seven feet apart.
Now it said that the couch, thebig couch, was south from the
small couch, being east in thehouse.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
You just say you don't know directions.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
I haven't written in my notes, so the way that it was
sitting he would have shot, youknow, the south towards the
couch, the large couch.
Anyway, they found the casingby the large couch which use a
rectangle.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
He was sitting on the short side of the rectangle.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
She was sitting on the long side.
Yeah, so if anything, no, justto describe this gone north just
to describe this.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Okay so short side of the rectangle is where he was.
Long side is where she was.
Uh-huh, the bullet casing fromwhere he was sitting on the
short side ended up behind heron the long side.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
Uh-huh.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
That's way easier to visualize than north, southeast
and the west.
That's why you're here Likehonestly.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
I don't know how to do these things.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
I have no idea.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
My brain makes it work.
I don't know how to explain it.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
They don't know what direction the house is facing.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
It doesn't even know which direction is, which you
know.
It doesn't matter South andeast, never eat soggy waffles.
I always know which way theyare.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Yeah, but I'm always in a weird square in the house.
She might be able to rememberthat, but she don't remember to
make the waffle soggy.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Well, it is what it is, okay.
So, like I said, you don't haveto wait long for any kind of
solution or resolution in thewho done it.
Part of this story becauseEspecially when I'm involved.
True, very true, but this one'spretty easy to put together.
There were only two people inthat house.
As far as we know, one of themis dead.
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So let's go first to Bubby, orPatrick, his statement.
The heavy set guy.
They took him in.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
The one mean Muggin from the beginning.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Yeah, he wouldn't really mean Muggin.
He was just looking Because youknow all the people in Verity
and any state or any city reallylike if you have people, you
can have people here that yousee cop cars coming in in swarms
, of course you're going to stopand scare.
You've got rubber neckers fordays.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Who would stop and stare when you just got a free
pass to not do the speed limit?
Speaker 1 (23:18):
Right, that's also true.
That's where all the cops are.
Let's go.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
All right, they took the heat off those doodoo's.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
They don't have the big enough fleet to come after
us all.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
All right, I already counted all six of the squad
cars from the station.
Let's do this.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
That's right, but then you're going to watch out
for LSP anyway.
So, according to Bubby, hisstatement was that on Tuesday,
february 26, two days before thebody, before they called 911,
bubby said that he had gone overlate Tuesday evening and
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knocked on the door because hewanted to see what they were up
to.
And apparently Tasha came andanswered the door, said that he
was sleeping.
He looked around her, saw Feein there laying down and he kind
of said I was like yo man,what's up, whatever.
And he was like I'll just comeback tomorrow and hang out with
you guys tomorrow because hewouldn't get out of bed.
So that was it about.
I want to say.
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He said it was somewhere likeeight, maybe seven, eight,
somewhere in there.
I don't honestly remember whathe said in his statement.
And when he returned the nextday, on Wednesday the 27th, he
got there and they were likebarbecuing and hanging out
outside and he got to notice inlike wait, wait, somebody's
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missing.
Where's Tasha, where'd she goor where's she at?
And Fee kind of like mumbled tothe side and like very oddly
answered oh, she left early andhe was talking about, of course,
like her on board training orwhatever it was that she was
going to do for the job corps,right, but Bubby knew that she
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wasn't supposed to leave till, Ibelieve it was March 4th, so
about a week from that time shewas supposed to be leaving, but
he didn't think too much of it,he just kind of shrugged it off.
They kept cooking, they playeddominoes all into the evening
time and then I think at onepoint they left to go to KFC to
check on an application thatBubby had put in.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
Which is walking distance, by the way.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
Walking distance.
Yes, and they took the bikes.
Remember I said they weretinkering with the bikes.
When Bee's mom came home theytook those and did all that and
they made that run while theygot back and again still hanging
out out front.
Because that's what they do,that's what people do, and
especially in fairy, and itdon't little area like they just
hang out out front.
You don't want people in yourhouse.
See, now you live Exactly.
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So.
They got back and Bubby saidsomething about it being chilly
outside.
So they went ahead and wentinside and when he made mention
of him feeling a little bittired, he went ahead and made a
cup of cup of coffee for him.
He made a whole pot of coffee.
They drank a cup and then hesaid you know what?
I think I'm just going to goahead and go home because I'm
tired.
So Wednesday evening he had beenin the house.
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He said he went home probablyabout eight o'clock that night
and then went over on Thursday,thursday morning, early, early
afternoon to go hang out with Vand you know they were messing
around with the bikes andwhatever until V's mom got home.
And according to him, when momgot home he said that like V ran
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over real quick and helped herbring all the stuff in the house
.
She was out by the car he wastaking stuff in for her and then
when she was taking the last ofit into the house to go start
laundry, according to him, vcame and asked him if he could
borrow his bike to go up to thegas station to get a pack of
cigarettes or something.
And he said, sure, you know, noproblem, he borrowed my bike
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all the time.
I let him do that and then,while he was waiting, while
Patrick Bubby was waiting for Vto come back, he was standing up
on the corner and looked backdown.
He saw a like gold truck comesquealing in and pull up to V's
house.
The guy jumps out, runs in thehouse and then a couple of
minutes later he sees cop carsand then more cop cars.
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And that was about the timethat V came back and was like
what's going on?
And that's what Patrick asked.
Bubby asked.
V was like what's going on downthere?
Do you know what's going on?
He's like, oh man, I don't know.
And that's when they came outand from that point in the story
we kind of know what happenedup until the point they went to
the police station.
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That was when they noticed thatthey were out there.
But Detective Hollinsrecognized who they were and so
on and so forth.
So as far as they could see andtell everything in his story,
kind of checked out, they had noreason to believe that he was
lying.
Really he seemed verybewildered and genuinely
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distraught.
He had no idea what hadhappened.
So they are at the same timethey're interviewing him,
they're also talking to V andinitially V didn't want to admit
anything.
He didn't know what happened.
He kept trying to say that thelast time he saw her was Tuesday
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night and yada, yada, yada.
But it didn't take long for himto switch it up and go ahead and
admit like yeah, okay, here'swhat happened.
So first he said nothing, thengoing to Mississippi due to the
job court, then changed it atleast four more times and then
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eventually his quote was Ididn't mean to do it.
Now it's very, very vague.
He gives no actual reason.
Everything that I read and Iread literally everything I
could find, because I like toknow things, I like things to be
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complete, and I could not, forthe life of me, from anything I
read, figure out why this mighthave happened?
Because one very well placedshot to the temple doesn't seem
like I was accidentally messingwith the gun behind her while
she was sitting on the couch andit accidentally went off and
shot her perfectly in the tipbowl and killed her.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
No, no, he didn't mean to.
What he meant to do was justscare her a little bit.
Maybe, Put it up to their head.
You know you don't mean to pullthe trigger every time.
Well, there was no stibbling.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
There was, it wasn't close enough for that to have
been a thing.
It has to be at least three tofour feet away.
But what he says, the way thathe says he shot her, the way he
says that it happened, and Ican't refute with any kind of
degree of any kind of certaintybecause, unfortunately for us,
and like I said in the intro,the family asked for her autopsy
and all of her medical recordsthat were attached to this case
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to be sealed, so they I wasn'tallowed to see the autopsy, so I
have no idea about trajectories, I have no idea of knowing if
she was.
I don't know.
All I know is she has a leftgunshot wound to her temple,
gunshot wound to her left temple.
That's it and that's how.
That was her cause of death.
That was how she died.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
And you said there was some stuff laying on the
ground.
Yeah let me, let me, let meexplain that because he gets in
the chair.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
He gets into that as well.
He said she was sitting on thecouch and the way he describes
it.
There was like a couch here andthen on this wall there was
another chair or something.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
And he was sitting on these ones accidentally shot
her and she was sitting on thecouch and he didn't want blood
to get all over his mama's couch.
So he went and got a trash bagand tried to catch the blood
with the bag and then he gotscared, didn't want to go to
jail, he didn't want to catchthose charges.
So he put another bag aroundher to catch the blood and keep
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it from getting on the couch,moved her to the closet that day
, and that was on Tuesday, the26th.
Ok, it was in the evening, Ithink.
He said probably between 930and 10 in the evening, ok, so
hey sir all of this is to saythat it didn't really fit.
It didn't really line up withwhat he was saying, that he
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accidentally shot her in thehead from the small couch where
she was on the large couch.
They asked him like how Ialready put a hole in that one
too.
How come we didn't find anyblood on the couch?
He said he cleaned it and said,well, he cleaned that and he
washed the pillows and all thetowels that he used.
He said he only shot.
There was only one shot.
Why he didn't call 911 wasbecause he was upset.
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He didn't know what to do.
But then you know, the questionthat that begs is well then,
why would you clean up afteryourself?
Why clean up after the crime?
And his answer to that was hedidn't want to go to jail.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
What was the bloody pile of clothes?
Speaker 1 (31:34):
that was from where she had been sat in the closet.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Was it where the clothes there before she was sat
there, or was that where shegot shot?
No, and the clothes were there.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
No, that was really just blood splatter.
That was literally just thespot.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
There was no splatter .
Speaker 1 (31:47):
That was why they asked about the blood on the
couch, because if she got shoton the couch, it would be
everywhere they would be able tofind evidence of that, because
it would have been high velocity2008,.
It would have been able to findany kind of but you also have
to think about the area thatyou're in.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
Doesn't matter.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
If they didn't call LSP which I don't believe they
did, I don't see any record ofthat If they didn't call in any
higher crime scene investigatorsto be able to luminal and spray
test, and all of that for alittle more.
Yes, you do for high velocityblood spatter.
That's pretty much if you, ifyou have cleaned surface, if you
have done a good enough job.
But see, but then in my mindthat makes me wonder because,
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like, why would you leave theblood spot in the closet, where
where the blood is leaked out ofher while she was in the closet
?
Why would you leave that andthen clean up everything else?
Because it's in the closet, youdon't think anybody's going to
see it.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
I'm telling you she was laying down on that shit
that was in the closet when shegot shot and he just moved it
all in there, don't know,because that would explain why
there wasn't any splatteranywhere that he had to clean up
.
She was probably laying down onthe couch with that shit there,
right?
Speaker 1 (32:45):
Well, if we had the autopsy, we'd know the
trajectory and then we'd be ableto say, but it could have said
something, right yeah.
With a 25 caliber.
I feel like it should have been.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
Well, it depends on the gun.
Honestly, yeah, a 22 is notgoing to go out of your skull
Not usually but a 25 caliber.
I would think 25 caliber isaround the same size with a
little bit more power, right, alittle bit more powder in the
shell, that's it.
If it's shot from six feetapart, like you said, and it
goes through the temple, that'sa hard ass piece of bone,
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depending on where it hit.
Of course you got some of thethicker bones in the skull there
, all the brain, all that matter, all that juiciness.
A 25 caliber wouldn't gothrough all that, or at least
not enough to make a giantsplatter.
It might.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
The pictures that we saw they didn't look like actual
spatter though it just lookslike it was just straight, it
didn't look like a gunshot woundin the head.
Yeah, now, he said he moved herto the closet, which is he just
set her in the closet.
He didn't put her in awheelchair at that point.
Now there was a wheelchairalready in his house because of
his family members or somethinghad left one at the house for
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other family members to be ableto get around and do stuff
inside the house.
It was just there, it wasalready present in the home and
on Thursday morning he said Idon't know, I don't know.
On Thursday morning he saidthat he, for whatever reason, he
decided to move her from thecloset to the laundry room and
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use the wheelchair to help gether there, because she was way
too heavy to be able to move atthat point, because this is
almost what 36-ish hoursThursday morning from Tuesday
night.
So she would have been in fullrigor, she would have been hard
to move around in general, andthat the dead weight is an
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actual thing, like it's hard tomove a body of any size after a
certain point because it's justit's hard to maneuver by
yourself especially.
So he stuck her in thewheelchair, moved her into the
laundry room, closed that doorand left her.
It's not that hard and theyasked in the interview if it was
an accident, why didn't youcall the police?
Well, they would have put me injail.
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And let me tell you this aboutthe gun the reason that I know
about this story is a really,really amazing person in front
of mine.
He was an investigator for ouroffice and he was a police
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officer for years in Mississippi.
Thirty-eighth special, very,very special person to me and my
family.
It was a twenty-five, but anyway, he was explaining the story to
me and the only part that heremembered was that a member of
I think it was the publicdefender's office I think it was
one of the attorneys actuallywas either given or told
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information about where the gunwas from the family and he
didn't know what to do.
Like, what am I supposed to do?
How am I supposed to hand thisover?
And come to find out the familyhad found it in a toy box in
the house.
It was all on the same day, soit wasn't like it was a long
time in between, but theyeventually located it by the
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family, located it in a toy boxinside the house.
So that's the part that my dearfriend remembered from this
story and that's how we got towhere we are telling it now.
So just a little shout out forhim there, and so they have the
gun, they have him, they.
They know it was a twenty-fivecaliber pistol.
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They asked him what he wasdoing with it, why he was
messing with it, and you knowhis answers were again very
vague.
There's not a whole lot ofinformation that he would give
them and, seeing as he's theonly one that was there, and
apparently the autopsy andmedical records that came back
from that didn't refute hisstatement in so much as they
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could charge him, I guess,because initially he went to
jail, he was booked on a hundredand twenty five thousand dollar
bond by Judge Johnson, Ibelieve, at the time.
Yeah, it was Judge Johnson whosaid his bond, but it was Judge
Leo Booth who presided over hiscase in its entirety because he
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was in Division B.
Hey, I know that guy.
Yeah, now this happened inFebruary, at the end of February
in 2008.
By April of 2009, he he hadthey worked out a deal with the
district attorney and hisdefense attorney, who was Robert
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Clark for the public defender'soffice at that time, and we've
heard about him before as well.
So he was the attorney forDebbie Adams had a whole
rigmarole over that, but whenthey got to April they made a
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deal and he pled to manslaughterand I'm going to come back to
that, I promise.
I just wanted to let you know.
Dude, how many things are yougoing?
Speaker 2 (37:59):
to come back to.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
No, no, that one for sure, because that one's more
insensitive.
And I want to make sure thatthat one's at the end, because I
want to talk about thestatements from Tasha's family.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
It's a good thing.
You got like 18 things in noteshere.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
Yeah, for sure, for sure so 20 more hours of right
so we don't know anything aboutthe autopsy but we do have other
statements from witnesses ornot technically witnesses.
They were like ear witnessesbecause they had neighbors that
lives right next door that wasthe grandma and like a cousin or
somebody that or no sister I'msorry sister and cousin that
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live right next door.
They wrote statements that theyhad heard a single gunshot
around 930 10 Tuesday night andthe sister had actually done
Tasha's hair on Monday night.
So like she had a pretty goodidea of how things went because
Monday she had done her hair.
Tuesday she heard the gunshotand then Thursday when they
heard that she had been foundher body had been found she was
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like oh my gosh, that's whatthat was.
So they also had anotherindependent witness that also
said they heard a gunshot aroundthat time.
And then they had Bubby'sstatement about Fee telling him
while she left early, whichdidn't make a whole lot of sense
.
And then the grandma and sisteralso said that he had acted
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kind of weird the last couple ofdays, just outside of his
normal, like self.
He was just off.
Something was definitely offwith him.
So it wasn't a whole lot like.
That was pretty much open andshut.
They went from finding the bodyto having him in custody.
He didn't get back out.
They started the trial processand doing all of that.
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Now, interestingly, theystarted with one district
attorney In the interim from thetime he was arrested to the
time that this got to trial andpleading to a to a deal with the
prosecutor.
The prosecutor actually changed, so he made a deal with one guy
and then they elected the newdistrict attorney, who is our
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current district attorney, bradBrigette.
He was elected and took overthe office before this case was
closed out.
So the deal that LaFerrinGoodman made with the previous
district attorney stood whenBrad took office, so he couldn't
do anything about that dealthat was already made.
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Now the reason I say that isbecause the family was not happy
with this.
They were not okay withmanslaughter even being offered
and because he didn't actuallygive an actual reason and he
said it was an accident andnobody ever said anything to
refute it and there wasn't atrial.
They didn't get a chance to puton the medical examiner and
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have their opinion.
So we don't.
We don't really know and, likeI said, that sealed, that part
of the record is sealed.
So I didn't even get the chanceto see, to give anybody else
you know a little bit to workwith on making different
assumptions.
So all you have is my littlelittle bit of cleverness to go
off of a little bit so when hewas arrested he was booked on
second degree murder charges and, like I said, the bond was set
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at 125,000.
He went into trial posture withhis attorney, robert Clark, and
eventually they got to the pleaagreement for manslaughter with
a cap of 40 years for the judgeto decide.
So he pled guilty tomanslaughter and that was in
April, the very I think it wasthe day before the end of the
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month.
Either way, the very end ofApril he pled and then they did
a pre sense investigation.
Do you know what that is?
Psi, pre sense?
Speaker 2 (41:39):
pounds for scoring.
Speaker 1 (41:41):
Yes, but this is the court version, so a PSI or a
stop intoxicating me presentence investigation pre
seminal and flux no Fluxcapacitor so perfect symmetry,
instantly Sure.
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Sure Private.
Sell your eye?
Speaker 2 (42:08):
No, it's plain sex innovator.
Speaker 1 (42:11):
Okay, so pre sentence investigation is exactly what
it sounds like.
It is an investigation thattakes place prior to being
sentenced by a judge, and itsreasoning is specifically
because they get statements fromthe people involved, they get
statements from the victimsfamily, they get statements from
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the defense, itself Relevantbecause this is the sentencing.
This is what they got and Italk about different things when
they do this instead of goingto court, basically, yeah, what?
What happens when you make aplea like this and there's no?
idea who the dude is they kindof get an idea of the background
of the family and what happened, because they didn't have a
court.
That judge, at this point, issupposedly without knowledge.
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You're, you're coming into itand they are only given what
they see for it during the trial.
So until that point they don'tknow anything about anything.
So when they go to do theirsentencing, that's, the judge
gets all the information at thatpoint once they plead.
So they get the informationfrom that, the reports and
everything that are given.
They get the pre sentenceinvestigation that is done and
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they get all that information tomake their decision on how much
time they want to give them.
Speaker 2 (43:21):
So they have a blank canvas to pretty up however they
want to pretty up, right and orto dirty up, however they want
to dirty up because you get bothsides exactly and you get the
police reports and all of theinformation.
Speaker 1 (43:32):
That is what had been presented at trial.
Speaker 2 (43:35):
Hey, I can make a lot of bad people look real good.
Speaker 1 (43:37):
Yeah, you can try.
So really I'm a silver tongueIn.
In technical terms it'sproviding judicial guidance in
this case because there was noevidence presented, because
there was no trial.
So he pleads in April.
I think they set the sentencingfor September.
Honestly, he's still sitting injail waiting for the judge to
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make up his mind.
They go back into the sentencingand they were actually going to
try to continue it that dayfrom the transcript that I read.
But the family had flown downfrom Indiana to be there, to be
in person in court to be able togive their impact statements
directly to the judge.
So they did it that day.
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They postponed it till the endof all of the other stuff that
was going on, but they did itthat day.
So as it stands, according tothe statute for manslaughter you
can only be charged up to 40years.
40 years is the maximum and thelaw, according to the language
in the statute, it does notallow the judge to sentence him,
no matter how many years.
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It doesn't allow for sentencingwithout benefits because I know
we've talked about it, you knowlife without parole.
So, lwop, we've talked aboutthat before the life without
suspension of sentence orbenefit of anything.
Speaker 2 (44:57):
Basically the death penalty, except you have to live
it out.
Speaker 1 (45:00):
Right, but manslaughter doesn't have that
term, the terminology, thatlanguage in its statute.
So the judge technically can'tdo that.
And the reason I make thatpoint is because in the victim
impact statements which werefrom the mother and father of
Tasha, they both were askingbasically you know, pleading
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with the judge, like we didn'twant this, we didn't like this
deal.
And even Brad Brigitte gets onwhen he does his closing
statement, what have you?
In the sentencing portion, thesentencing hearing, he says I
wouldn't have made this deal, itwould have been at least murder
or would have been at leastmurder.
Two, he wishes he could go backand undo it because he feels
like this isn't justice, I mean,like it was a whole freaking
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thing.
So the couple of things that Idid take out from the parent
statements this was theirfirstborn child, firstborn
daughter, and apparently Tashahad a nine year old that at the
time that she passed away thatshe was murdered.
She said that the dad statementwas pretty long but the mom
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statement was kind of short.
She just was basically like youguys have no idea how intense
this pain is.
Losing a child is the worstthing ever.
Please, please, do her justice.
I don't have the liberty ofvisiting my daughter and she
actually went and looked at herdaughter's body because until
she saw the body, she couldn'tbelieve it was real.
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And it was just.
It was heart wrenching, it wasabsolutely.
It was rough, it was rough toread.
So she said that and you know,just, please give him the
maximum sentences, don't let himget on probation, don't let him
do any of that, because hedoesn't deserve it.
Nobody did justice by us.
Please do justice by us.
And we find out in the father'sstatement she was murdered on
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his birthday and that he has nofaith in anything anymore
because he was raised to believethat God took care of rights
and wrongs and he's been goingto therapy for the last, however
long since everything happened,trying to get that faith back,
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because he no longer believed inany of that, because he
believed that his daughter wasflat out murdered and he'll
never have that that back.
And he knows how good of aperson she was and it was just,
it was just awful.
And for her to have been killedon his birthday, like every
year, that's going to be thereminder.
Speaker 2 (47:32):
Yeah, so I kind of, I kind of get that feels.
Speaker 1 (47:35):
Yeah, it's not your fault.
Speaker 2 (47:37):
Yeah, one of the greatest tragedies in American
history.
Yeah, pretty rough.
Speaker 1 (47:45):
But you made it and now it's almost like it's a
vacation day.
So it's not almost, it's almosta vacation.
It's still terrible.
It is still terrible.
So, like I said earlier, bradBrigette, the district attorney
that was actually elected as atime he took office in January
of 2009.
So at the time that the dealwas made, he wasn't a part of it
(48:06):
and he also believed it shouldhave been second degree murder,
but there wasn't anything hecould do about it because his
hands were tied.
So, judge Leo Booth, actuallythat guy get messed up in prison
.
As far as I am aware, no one.
You can write him an asking.
Speaker 2 (48:25):
Okay, he was text girls back.
Speaker 1 (48:27):
He was sentenced to 35 years to the hard labor in
the Department of Correctionsand the judge actually said on
record Judge Judge Booth saidthat he he has no capability of
sentencing him to that withoutsuspension of suspension of
sentence or benefits, because itjust doesn't, the law doesn't
allow for him to do that.
(48:48):
But he gave him 35 years.
He had 36 months to post postconviction relief.
He did file that in Septemberof 2012.
But nothing came of that.
They just told me just you'regonna serve all your time and as
of right now, he is 42.
(49:08):
And he is at the David WadeCorrectional Center in Homer to
show like the step down fromAngola.
It's basically a rollover forless violent people.
So block a.
He's 42.
Yeah, and he's so 15.
And, as far as I know, I haven'theard anything outside of
(49:32):
outside of this since, since hedid the post conviction, because
when you take a plea deal andyou accept that you actually are
waiving your right to a circuitthird circuit court of appeals,
you don't get to make thoseappeals anymore.
Speaker 2 (49:48):
You get what you get and you don't throw fit.
Speaker 1 (49:50):
That's right.
Once you make that deal, you'rebasically saying, okay, I give
up all my rights to all thosethese benefits that I would get
if I go to trial, but I'm nottaking a gamble on losing the
rest of my life.
So, because second degree islife without life, without
benefits.
So yeah, and, like I said, thiswas a very interesting one for
(50:10):
me because the information thatI was given at the very
beginning was like body found inthe house, they had a party,
they found the gun in the toybox and yeah, that's, that's
basically what I was told that Iwas like, oh my gosh what
should that happen here thisweekend?
Speaker 2 (50:27):
Yeah, absolutely crazy minus the dead body.
Speaker 1 (50:33):
Yeah, and it just it blew my mind when I started
getting into the details,because there's so much.
I feel like we don't know, likewe weren't told about what
actually went down that nightand it just doesn't make any
sense to me like nobody none ofthe witnesses, none of the
testimonies, none of thestatements that anything about
any prior incidences.
The only thing that even gotclose was that the dad said
(50:56):
something about Tasha tellinghim because they talked a lot
that her the previousconversation she'd had with
Tasha about fee was that youknow, they had a lot of
arguments about jealousy andthey were both of them were very
possessive and that the nightbefore that she was shot that
she had made a mention aboutconfronting a big problem with
(51:18):
him and that she wanted to dothat before she left.
So he seems to believe him inthe moment, like that, because
they think and believe that thatnever even came up, that that
was never mentioned, that nobodyever talked to them to get that
information, and so they were.
They felt very slighted by theofficers and the investigators
(51:42):
On this case specifically, andthen to hear that he had got a
deal and was gonna be out and itjust it all feels kinda icky, I
don't know.
It just leaves a really badtaste in your mouth.
You wanna take a showerafterwards Because something
doesn't feel right at all.
And both the mom and dad ofTasha were both ex-military and
(52:03):
they were both, you know, very,very gunned for cross-shes.
And they knew Tasha knew waybetter than to mess around with
them or just, like you know, beknown to be around them or fool
with them.
She didn't like guns, she nevermess with guns.
So I would love to have been afly on the wall to know what he
(52:24):
actually said in the interview,because we don't even have that.
We don't.
I didn't get a transcript ofthat or an audio or nothing.
So it just seemed a littleweird.
It just seemed a little weird.
Speaker 2 (52:35):
So I guess, Teg, you could consider this a case of
the unknown, because there's somuch unknown?
Speaker 1 (52:39):
There's so much that we just don't like there's not a
good cause.
You know, not every case we dois gonna have a nice little tidy
bow on top, but at least youcan kind of guess at what could
have possibly been the reason.
There's just not enoughinformation to even wager, I
guess, at this point.
Speaker 2 (52:55):
Leave it to the uncle of the unknown to make you feel
dirty.
Speaker 1 (52:59):
Yeah, I'll bet.
Speaker 2 (53:01):
I mean, you just said you may have to take a shower
afterwards and she yeah, do youneed a shower?
Your words, yeah.
Speaker 1 (53:07):
Anyway, so that's it for that one.
Guys, leave me a comment, aquestion of what do you think
happened?
Put it somewhere where there'dbe in the YouTube the Jake Talks
, the emails somewhere and ordon't, we don't control your
life.
Or don't.
We don't do that, but like thatwould be awesome, because I
really am lost on this one.
(53:28):
It's kind of like it could havebeen a million things.
It could have been nothing.
So what are your thoughts?
What do you think?
Speaker 2 (53:33):
Just my theory, like I don't know if she got it on
the thing earlier, but I saidit's very plausible for shell
casing, depending on the gun.
Of course I don't know what kindof gun it was, but depending on
which way the shell ejects, itcould, if you're having If you
have it in your hand, basicallysitting on your lap with your
palm up, and you pull thetrigger, it shoots straight in
(53:56):
front of you, which is where shewould have been sitting, and
the shell could eject straightupwards and fly back over the
back of the couch that she wassitting on.
Very, very easily happen it.
Just there are a lot ofdifferent variables that we
don't get to take into effectbecause we don't know everything
that went on.
Right.
But you could postulate that hewas sitting there playing with
(54:18):
the gun, or even had it pointedat her, and if it was a left
ejecting gun it would have shother and it ejected over the
couch backwards.
But typically that's not howguns work they eject to the
right.
So the only way it would havewent over there is if we knew
which way the gun wound wentinto her head Right, the
trajectory of the bullet wound.
(54:39):
Because all we got is a gunwound to the left side of the
head, which is the opposite sideof where he would have been
sitting.
Speaker 1 (54:44):
Right.
Speaker 2 (54:47):
Which would have made it if he shot her with a normal
right ejecting gun would haveput her on the opposite side of
where he said he was.
Yeah, just a lot of things, alot of things.
Speaker 1 (55:01):
That just a big, big-ass question mark.
We don't know if it was a, itwas a investigative side.
We don't know if it was, uh,unable to find the evidence or
not having enough informationinside.
Like he was, was he overdescriptive of of details in
some parts of his story and thennot in others, and that's why
they couldn't proceed forward inthat sense, like there's just a
(55:24):
lot of like, what the hell's?
Speaker 2 (55:26):
It's because, beyond a reasonable doubt, it's a real
thing.
Oh, absolutely.
And he's the only one that cancorroborate what went on that
night.
That's why everybody tells youto keep your fucking mouth shut.
Exactly, and he did that prettywell apparently.
Speaker 1 (55:36):
There's only gonna be one story.
Speaker 2 (55:38):
Exactly yeah, mine yeah, and I think that's the
only one that's been in areasonable relationship with
that woman.
Speaker 1 (55:44):
That's a terrible story.
Don't go without it.
It didn't work out for Will,for him either.
Speaker 2 (55:48):
All right guys, I think it did.
Thank you so much for listening.
You got some niggity in theWhite House.
The old office, what?
Speaker 1 (55:52):
up.
Yes, he did.
Yes, he did Allegedly.
Allegedly.
No, that one was actuallyprovis, that's not allegedly
anymore.
So Anyway, thank you guys, somuch for listening, thank you
for coming back, thank you forsharing, thank you for being
awesome and keep coming back.
Speaker 2 (56:07):
Thank you for loving me.
Speaker 1 (56:08):
Um, I don't know if that's, that's a little bit of a
stress, so is it most popular.
We'll go with that.
Speaker 2 (56:12):
We'll go with it.
The numbers don't lie.
Speaker 1 (56:13):
Okay, okay, but we appreciate you guys.
We'll see you next time,probably in a bonus episode, and
we'll get back at you later.
Y'all be safe out there, takecare Bye.
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