January 29, 2024 • 55 mins
Petition for Jimmy Townsend
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey guys, this is episode 20, and normally this is
the part where I would do acold intro, which is where I
usually say something spicy orenticing.
But this one's gonna bedifferent, because this story is
important for more reasons thanone, and what we hope to do in
(00:21):
this episode is spread awareness, create noise and to be able to
have as many people as possibleunderstanding that this is
something that needs to be fixed, needs to be solved, and it can
be so.
Just on that note, I wanted toput it out there at the very
(00:42):
beginning of the episode to makesure that everybody heard it,
because I know it doesn't alwayseverybody doesn't always make
it to the end.
So right now we're trying tolight a fire, and that fire
starts with every single one ofyou that listen, no matter where
you're located, no matter whereyou live.
You can help and in the shownotes of whatever podcast
platform you're looking at orlistening to and even if you
(01:02):
can't find it there, you can goto my TikTok, my Twitter or
YouTube Any of those will havethe link for the petition for
this case in the show notes.
Okay, so you have plenty ofoptions to be able to find it
and to be able to help make adifference, if you feel so moved
, and by the end of this episode, we hope that you are.
(01:46):
Hey guys, welcome to episode 20.
This is going to be Justice forJimmy Townsend.
I'm Kelly and I'm Uncle Sawyerand this is going to be I'm
thinking this is going to be oneof the more important episodes
that we've done.
I think definitely probably themost important so far, really
important, because we workdirectly with the family on this
(02:09):
one and it feels more personal.
So we're going to try to doright by them, right, uncle
Sawyer?
Yes, it's definitely the firstone that we actually contacted
people that were relatives orrelated to the person involved
in the crime or case.
I guess Right, right, andactually this is an email
(02:33):
suggestion Ms Dodie Allen, whois a really good friend of the
family.
She knew the victim.
She contacted me by email andasked us to cover this case and
we'll get on the subject of MsDodie later, but that's where
this came from and they weremore than willing to speak with
(02:53):
us and answer all of ourquestions.
And in this episode, ourlisteners get the privilege of
actually hearing directly fromthe family via the interview
that we did so.
We're really excited for thisand we're actually like you
heard guys heard in the intro wewant this to do something to
(03:14):
help, so everybody that listensit literally won't take but a
few seconds to go click, clickon that petition, go sign and
just be a part of helping thisfamily finally get something
that has been long overdue tothem.
So, that being said, justicefor Jimmy, justice hashtag.
(03:39):
Justice for Jimmy, it's a thing.
Hashbrowns, hashtags.
Hash browns are delicious.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Great Now.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
I'm hungry.
Same Damn you, all right.
So first off, I want tointroduce you to the family
member that you'll be hearingfrom.
Her name is Christy.
She is the daughter of ourvictim.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
I was born August 24th of 85.
And my dad, his name is JimmyTownsend, he was 13.
And my mother was 16.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
She has been trying for years now to get
acknowledgement, to get relief,to get somebody to listen, to
get somebody to speak up.
So she's dedicated and, as yousee, she probably gets that
fighting spirit directly fromher father, and her father is
(04:34):
the victim.
His name is Jimmy.
He was born in December 20th1971.
And, yes, this is one of theolder ones, but is still, to
this day, unsolved, although Ido believe it has been as of
(04:54):
last year.
I think it was technicallyreopened, but he was born 1971.
And Christy, his daughter, wasborn August 24th of 85.
Yes, he was only 13.
But when we're talking aboutthis case, that is literally the
(05:17):
most irrelevant bit ofinformation that any of you can
take away from this.
So we're going to scoot rightpast it, because, regardless of
how old he was, regardless ofany other situation or
circumstances, no one deserveswhat happened.
Also, his mother of Christy was16.
Yeah, she was 16 at the time,so it's only three years apart.
(05:39):
Right, it was a different worldin the 70s.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, man, so he was an onlychild and, for all intents and
purposes, he was a normal 13year old, except for the fact
that he was known as anexceptional athlete.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Just started boxing.
For two years he was actually aboxer, a baseball player.
He played football.
He was really really good inbaseball.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
He was also involved with his community.
I mean just an all around allAmerican kid, 13 years old.
13 years old and he was thesize of a 16, 17 year old.
Well, you guys can look at, seethe pictures yourself.
It was everything that I've gotvery athletically built.
(06:32):
Absolutely, he ate his cornbreadand definitely well built,
stocky kid.
He got some good genes.
And speaking of the boxing, heactually won a contest by a
local boxing promotion company.
What he won was a lunch withsmoking, joe Frazier.
(06:54):
So do you have any idea whothat is or why he's famous?
Speaker 2 (06:58):
He was a boxer.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Okay, yes, moving on.
So if you're not a big boxingfan, I'm not really but
everybody knows who Muhammad Aliis, right Like it's a whole
thing.
Smoking Joe Frazier actuallybeat him.
He beat Muhammad Ali at MadisonSquare Garden and this was
known as the fight of thecentury, and then he held the
(07:20):
heavyweight champion for likefive years before he gave it up
and decided to go help hiscommunity back in Philadelphia.
He also had a gold medal fromthe 1964 Olympics in boxing.
So I mean pretty big deal,Especially for kids.
You know, in bumpkin I wasgonna say the other one,
(07:41):
Louisiana who don't really haveoptions and opportunities to
meet famous people, especiallyblack community, especially at
that time they didn't have a lotof role models to look up to.
But smoking Joe Frazier, one ofthose big ones.
He was part of the winnerpackage or whatever, and turned
(08:02):
out that Jimmy won and so he gotto go have lunch and they
actually did a whole write upand in the paper about him
winning and going to meet andgoing to hang out with him.
So in those pictures will alsobe available on the website and
so this would have been a verybig honor for anybody, but
(08:23):
apparently it also was a pointof contention, jealousy, all of
those things.
In 1985, Christy was born, andthat same year, in September,
her dad, Jimmy, went to theArclamis Fair, which they still
(08:47):
have up in Monroe.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
That had happened.
He was with his friends and hewas riding rides.
Everything was cool.
He knew my mom would have tocome and pick him up at 12
o'clock, so he and two of hisother friends partake.
Whenever I say partake, theywere all designed and they were
(09:11):
smoking it before my mom allcame to pick him up so they were
behind by the farmers marketwhich is on the back end of the
fair, because the fair is at ourMonroe Civic Center.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
They went to the let's call it the shady side of
the convention center.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
The stocks?
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Yeah, probably Whatever it was.
It was on the least lit sidewhere teenagers could go to do
things they would probably notrather be seen doing in public.
So, yeah, they were lightenedup, they had some weed and they
were over there smoking itbefore Jimmy's mom got back to
(09:53):
pick him up, because he's 13.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
He can't drive, so when he, when him and his friend
was back there smoking, he wasconfronted by five guys and how
it was described to me, theywere in like a half moon shape,
my dad being on the end, twofriends to his right and then
the five guys in front of theend, if you can get that
description.
(10:15):
The guy on the other end triedto call from my dad was Bo
Leggad.
They're all black.
They were in a gang.
The name of it was the LaneGang around here, and even the
cops were scared of them.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
I couldn't actually find anything on the Lane Gang.
It just it doesn't exist.
I don't know if that's becausethey didn't write up about it a
lot.
Like the only gang that I couldfind that was associated with
that name was based out ofFlorida.
I don't know if they likerolled over and had like a part
of it here or tried to start oneLike I don't know, I'm not for
sure or if it's like anextension of the Florida based
(10:53):
one.
I really I really don't know.
My outside research informationwas very limited.
They had multiple and repeatedincidents that were blamed on
likely gang activity in the area.
(11:14):
Like even this same night thatthis happened, there was another
kid at that same fair who gotbeat up by a group of guys that
actually matched the samedescription as Jimmy, whose name
was Jim, and he got beat up.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
So when they came up, there were several people
walking up behind them, but theywere still a good distance
behind them.
And I know the story from thetwo guys that was with my dad,
his two friends.
I have talked to both of them.
One of them is now passed awayand one of them is they both had
like PTSD from this.
So when the gang came up to him, the Bo-Legged guy asked them
(11:59):
to buy some weed and they werelike no, we're good.
You see, like he showed themthe joint, they started smoking.
Well, it pissed them off.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
And they were already looking for a fight.
They were going to fight, nomatter what was that insurger
said.
Like no matter how thatconversation went.
The group of five that walkedup were looking to engage in an
altercation.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
That's just my take the Bo-Legged guy.
I'm going to call him Bo-Leggedbecause that's the only thing
that I know of him, right?
Speaker 1 (12:27):
now.
So for the rest of the episode,I'm going to refer to one of
them as the Bo-Legged guy,because that's all the
information we have.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
He came up and he punched my dad.
My dad punched him back.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Jimmy has no like.
He's a stocky kid and he knowshow to fight.
He's very athletic and, ofcourse, his reaction when he got
punched in the face, he punchedhim right back and, according
to what the witnesses said atthe time, he actually broke Old
Boy's nose and when thathappened, you know, everybody
(13:06):
like the guys, all the guys thatcame with him was coming up to
him, and then that's when theysplit.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
So the two guys that was with my dad was running,
running away and my dad shouldhave been right there behind him
, but he wasn't.
He ran another way and theyfollowed my dad.
They were looking for himbecause there was a couple
fights that night and anotherguy there that was attacked.
(13:34):
His name was Jim and he alsohad blonde hair and was from the
same school that my dad went to.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
They got around to like the front of the fair and
were waiting on Jimmy andrealized that he wasn't coming.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
And when they called it to my dad, that's when the
fight happened.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
The last they saw of him was that Jimmy was still
fighting back and trying tofight off all the guys that were
around him and holding his ownfor the most part.
Unfortunately, it wasn't enough.
You get five against one.
I mean, those were pretty,pretty shitty odds.
So he fought back witheverything he had.
He would hit one, the otherones would hit him in the back
(14:15):
of the head or whatever.
Eventually they got him on theground and were kicking,
punching, hitting.
He was fighting for his life.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
That's when he lost his life.
He lost that fight.
The fight was so bad heliterally died.
Fighting for his life thedefinition of fighting for your
life was what he did.
Can you imagine being in thecenter of seven guys being hit
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from every angle?
You know, just when you turnaround to hit somebody, you're
getting hit from behind.
You hit everywhere, yeah.
And then not only that, that'snot enough.
When he falls down to theground, they just put a tough
kick in on him.
It's just so bad that hisorgans couldn't be donated.
(15:10):
They were in pieces.
They dislocated his body fromhis cranial.
That was the final blow, I wouldbelieve, after that lady hit
him in the car.
It was actually a 19-year-old.
(15:30):
There were several witnessesthere.
When the fair workers and thecops got up to him, you know
he'd done half-bound movementsand all that.
You know it was pretty muchkind of gone.
But they rushed into thehospital and put him on a vent
(15:55):
and that was breathing for him.
That was enough for his dad.
My dad bought to come in town.
Unless he got in town, theytook him off.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
I can't imagine, especially when I'm about to
tell you his actual extent ofinjuries.
I don't know how he was evenbreathing well enough for them
to put him on a ventilator.
So once they actually did theautopsy, his cause of death was
actually listed.
(16:28):
Now Get this.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
He had shaken baby syndrome, which is really he was
13.
Normally shaken baby syndromeis, you know, when you are an
infant and being shook by aparent so hard, your brain is
rattling in your skull.
That's what happened to him.
He's so swollen.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
And for those of you who may or may not know the
specifics of that, shaken babysyndrome is a condition usually
only given to children under theage of 5, because your brain
does not fuse to your skullcompletely until after age 5.
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So what happens is your brainhas this little bit of space or
this little gap in between yourskull and your brain and when
you shake a baby, that causessevere hemorrhages on your brain
or brain bleeds because it hasenough room to bounce around in
there and create damage.
(17:42):
Normally it's only in.
I've never heard of it beingassigned to anyone over 5 or 6
years old, and all that tellsyou about this incident is that
the level of violence wasridiculously high.
(18:06):
According to what Christy said,she knows because again, we
don't have the full autopsybecause this is still
technically an open case now andI believe she's working on
getting a FOIA request or aFreedom of Information Act
request to be able to get thecase file and whatever
information they do have.
But as of right now she's justhad a couple glimpses at the
(18:29):
documents and just goes off ofwhat information that she has
been relayed to her.
I know for a fact his kidneyscould not be weighed because
they were pulverized.
There wasn't enough left ofthem inside of his body for them
to be weighed on autopsy.
So, knowing all of that, thefact that he was still breathing
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is just a testament to theamount of fight this kid had in
him, and I mean it's justabsolutely incredible.
So while he's in the hospitalfighting for his life or waiting
for his dad to get there sothey can at least have a chance
to say goodbye to their13-year-old only child.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
The kid that was with him was at the police station
doing a lie detector testbecause the cops thought they
were in on it.
They thought that they killedhim.
Instead of listening to him, helistened to him and telling him
what happened.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
And they both passed.
But it was crazy to me, likewhy would they hang around?
Why would they just?
And the amount of violence thatwas inflicted on them?
They had to have been able tosee either their hands or
whatever.
There would have been blood ontheir clothes, something, some
kind of imagery, some kind ofevidence of what they would have
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done if they would have done itRight.
So if they were the one whobeat him this severely, they
would have had some signs of it.
I don't know, I wasn't there.
So they passed those liedetectors and then, finally,
they started listening to themas witnesses instead of suspects
and, from what I understand,they had at least four other
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witnesses within the first 24 or48 hours.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Tons, I mean hundreds of people, Hundreds of kids.
There was just a homeless guy.
He witnessed it, but he was sodrunk out of his mind they
didn't really take a statementinto consideration.
He didn't really think that hewas telling the truth or just
bulls-rush.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
I guess you could say and apparently he said he saw
everything and could tell themexactly who it was.
But they kind of wrote him offbecause he was a homeless drunk
and they just disregarded theinformation for whatever reason.
And then there was also a Gangmembers yeah, yeah, a girlfriend
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of one of the gang members that.
Now, this gang, from what weunderstand, was called the Lang
gang and we'll get into themotive here in just a second.
But, like, if you do anythingabout gangs, you know there's
usually some type of initiationand that initiation usually
involves some sort of violence,and random violence at that.
Now, the girlfriend that theygot into an interview room.
(21:23):
They actually got a name fromher and this was the same person
that she named.
That was later brought in for aphoto lineup.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
She gave a statement and then it led to his friends
having a photo on us going.
And they picked out the sameguy.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Both Shane and Anthony both of the other two
friends identified the sameperson as one of the people that
were there that beat Jimmy todeath and positively identified,
took him into an interview room.
He was a minor, I don't knowexactly what age, but he was
(22:16):
under 18.
And apparently he gave a fullconfession.
Not only did he give a fullconfession, but he also named
names, at least one, probablymore.
But the reason I say, or thereason we were even here talking
about this, was because you hada confession.
So why is this an unsolved case?
Because within three to fourhours he recanted Apparently
(22:43):
someone had hired a hotshotattorney for him and attorney
came in and said you guys havenothing, release my client.
He recants, he's not talkingwithout me ever again.
And because nobody was presentwhen they did the interview,
none of it could be used.
It was all inadmissible.
That was probably one of thearguments.
I honestly don't know.
(23:03):
I don't know how it was in the70s.
I don't even know if they hadthose rights.
Things were very loosey-gooseyback then.
But either way, there went thatand then I think they had
plenty of witnesses.
You know what I mean, becausethis wasn't like.
It was something that you knowwas just off in the middle of
the woods somewhere in thedesolate no, this was right
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outside the fair, like it's not,like they didn't have people
with an earshot that probablywould have heard something.
And then come to find out fromthe friends that were there.
Jimmy knew the people thatwalked up on them.
According to the friends, likehe knew.
Maybe he wasn't like goodfriends with them, but he knew
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who they were, the boxing classand stuff that he was in.
I believe, or they were all inthe same kind of contest, and
there were members of the gangthat were in that contest as
well and they lost to Jimmy.
So this is a theory andspeculation station, but it
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could be assumed that not onlywere they jealous because they
didn't get to go to lunch withFrazier, but they got beat by
this white boy.
And now, because they have anew member to initiate, or what
have you, they have an easytarget Like, oh well, this guy
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pissed us off because he beat us.
We should have won, let's go,he's the person you should beat
up for whatever.
And you know, all of those areguesses, all of those are
possibilities, but which?
The more I think about it theless.
I think that's what it actuallywas, because if it were to be
an initiation of some sort, itwouldn't have been all of them,
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it would have been just one ofthem Right just the one guy.
right, that's what I wasthinking.
What I'm thinking the morealong the lines of it was, the
wrong person got crossed insidethe group, went back to the
group and said, hey, this guycrossed me, we got to go get him
.
And then they all went and gothim, which is more like it.
That sounds more Actually.
Yeah, because you're right, theinitiation thing.
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They usually make them do itthemselves, because if they
can't hold their own, thenthey're not going to be in.
They do it by themselves.
They didn't think.
No audience, they don't gowatch, they send them alone.
Yeah, I didn't know that part,but I didn't know they had to do
it by themselves.
Yeah, because it's If you don'tdo what you're supposed to, if
you're not the winner, if youdon't prevail, then you're not
allowed to be in the gang orwhatever Bloody and bled out
(25:37):
homie or something like that.
That's okay.
Look, I know that because ofAngela Johnson.
Don't come at me, it's not.
That's literally where thatcame from.
Yeah, so In my head anyway,we're not affiliated with any
gangs or crews.
No, not even a little bit, thewhitest of white girls.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Alright you guys know that You've seen my.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
TikToks Trying to catch me, white and nerdy.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
Trying to catch me white and nerdy.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
So they get the confession, but they recant and
they actually and this is whereit gets kind of confusing and
this is where we don't have alot of information Remember,
this was 38 years ago, literally39, in September of this year
but we have the limitedinformation that we have.
I believe the daughter, missChrissy.
(26:24):
I know she has more information, but from our sitting area and
from what she told us, I don'tknow for sure which one of these
people if they're the samepeople and like Boleg a guy, is
really the only one that we havepinpointed.
There's another one that andpinpointed the strong word Right
(26:46):
.
We technically still don't knowhis name, and Chrissy doesn't
even know his name the daughter.
So that same night, though,there was another one of the
gang, or it may have been Bolega guy, I'm not sure.
He went to the hospital andthey found out later and, like I
said, I don't know if he wasone of the ones that was not the
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Boleg a guy or if he was aBoleg a guy.
I just don't know for sure.
I know that he was alsointerviewed and I actually think
they pulled in, oh god, atleast 75 to 100 different kids
from the area to talk to and,you know, do an interview with.
I actually have the news clipthat I got from Chrissy.
(27:32):
Pretty much all of thedocumentation and stuff that
I'll post along with this caseeither came from her or Dodie,
and you can also check herFacebook page.
Oh, it's a group, but it is aprivate group.
A group you can ask to be apart of it or you can Google it.
There's multiple articles aboutit.
Yeah, those ones a couple thatshe sent me were hard to find.
So either check out the websiteor All you have to do is type
(27:54):
in Jimmy Townsend, 1985.
Yeah, and it.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
There's a couple, but most of them are Joe.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
Frazier.
Yeah, First, three things popup.
Yeah, so with that, like I said, I'll put that out there so you
all can see that in the JoeFrazier articles and a couple
others that I have but I'm notfor sure on who was, who was
what but they did interviewhundreds of kids, hundreds of
people, but nobody else outsideof the one who confessed.
(28:25):
They didn't get anything elsebecause, like I said, it was a
lot of I don't know.
I don't remember, I couldn'treally tell, I don't know
anything about them and it wasjust very hush-hush, Very Just
super suspicious, super sus, andfrom Chrissy's perspective, she
(28:49):
doesn't think it was justbecause it had to do with the
gang.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
And then, whenever I went to the detective, I'm like
hey, I have names of thesekillers, why ain't something
being done?
Speaker 1 (29:02):
She actually believes that the entire and forgive me
for the present Munro PoliceDepartment, wachita Paris
investigative unit, she believesthat they were highly corrupt
and that there were my brother,sister, cousin, nephew kind of
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thing where they didn't want tobe a part of it.
They didn't want to get anybodyyou know any of their own quote
unquote in trouble and that itwas kind of one of those things
where, well, I don't really wantto touch it, I just want to get
my hands off of it and that's,you know, that kind of
deep-seated corruption, if youwill, because I don't want to
(29:48):
upset my cousin or my auntie orwhoever calls any waves and
they're really a good kid andall of those things.
All of those things that we'veheard in true crime, always, you
know, just trying to protectyour own and by doing so you're
(30:10):
allowing extremely violentadolescent men to continue
rampaging.
Anyway, so the Sheriff at thetime his name was actually
Willie Buffington and again,this is one of those things
where, like you go onnewspaperscom, you can find out
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anything about anybody.
You type my name in there,first and last name, you can see
, you can still see my, thearticles that wrote about me
when I played basketball inOklahoma, and even if in the 70s
we didn't have the internet, westill have the ability to look
at the newspapers from then.
You should be able to locatemore than just you know little
(30:54):
bits here and there and I foundplenty with Sheriff Buffington's
name in it.
But when it comes to Jimmy'scase, there's very limited
information.
Almost nothing turns up whenyou search for it.
It's a little bit unsettling,honestly, because it's almost
like they were purposely nottalking about it and that's that
(31:20):
, to me, is odd.
It sits very weird with me likeI don't.
It does not sit well, that's abetter way to say that.
I should have said it, becausetypically there'd be like press
releases.
They'd tell the people what'sgoing on, what happened, they'd
address the issue publicly.
None of that happened, not thatI could find I go back.
(31:43):
I even went back to August of85 to forward and there's just
there wasn't anything.
I mean it's like it's just goneNow, in fairness, I know that
the Monroe PD and Washington,paris and I'm not sure exactly
(32:05):
which one, but they've had acouple of fires over the years
and we've had hurricanes andwe've had things, and I
understand that that shithappens.
There are natural disasters.
But then there's also a thingthat too many coincidences means
it's not a coincidence, it justit's not.
You know, you can only have somany things that happen before
(32:28):
it turns into obviouslyintentional and that's why I had
to move away Right.
So right now, the way that itstands, they literally just last
year, when Chrissy went and got, she did a TV interview, which
(32:49):
I'll also have a link for in theshow notes, with KTVE.
Is that what that is?
Let me see Whichever local newsstation you've been in Well it
was my arclamess and I thinkthey
had actually two different code.
I think it's KTVE and thenK-A-R-D.
But either way, I'll have alink in the show notes and you
can watch that as well.
When she did that and theyreleased it at two different
(33:10):
time periods, which I thoughtwas really great because they
really made an effort and theyactually made an effort to get
in touch with the policedepartment and everything or the
DA, anybody to get them to talkto them, and they got nothing
back, they got no bites.
But when they, when she didthat interview with them and
they actually ran the coverage,they and the police department
this is that.
(33:31):
Would this piss me off.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
When she told me Chrissy, and I'll let her tell
you and when they made the case,when he told me that the case
became active, I had to find outfrom the lady that did my news
interview, because I did a newsinterview.
Yes, ma'am, I saw that.
Yes, ma'am, she, she's the onewho texted me.
I was actually out of town whenshe did and when she pissed me
(33:55):
off I was like he didn't evencall me.
Whenever I got back into town,I immediately went up there and
he knew why I was there.
He was like I have some goodnews for you.
I'm like yeah, I know you do.
Why haven't you called me?
Like you know, it's been likeit's been.
It was been a whole day becauseI didn't hear from the news
lady until the day after,because she called the DA's
(34:18):
office one enough day.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
Yeah.
So instead of telling her thatthey were going to reopen the
case, they called the newsstation but in the okay and
that's what she had beenfighting to do for the longest
time was to get it opened and toget it, get attention back on
it and for them to file chargeswith the names that she knows
they have.
(34:41):
So, speaking from an evidenceside of things, from what
Chrissy said, from the time thatshe got to kind of glance at
the evidence and from theinformation that her most recent
investigator was telling her,they do have evidence that they
(35:06):
can use for DNA testing.
It would take a lot inprocessing and getting
everything submitted properlyand yada, yada, yada, but they
do have it.
Otherwise I don't even thinkyou would have engaged in the
conversation talking about howto do it.
And I mean there had to havebeen On Jimmy, if nothing else
because that brutal of a beating, that amount of force he broke
(35:28):
the one guy's nose, so therewould have been blood.
There would have been andapparently and I have the that
night the original investigationreport it actually says on the
report that they gatheredevidence and they took pictures
and that was the night of andit's signed by what was that
(35:49):
guy's name?
Dambi, which I thought was aninteresting name?
He was one of the originalinvestigators at the scene, but
there's proof in and of itselfthat they got evidence.
So what do they do with it?
I understand in the 70s theyweren't DNAing, but they should
be able to DNA now, if for noother reason than just to kind
(36:11):
of put the family at ease andlet them know that they're doing
everything that they can.
Yeah, but you also have to lookat it like this they're going
to try to get warrants to getDNA from who knows the amount of
people that they need to get itfrom, and I know no, no, no, no
.
Even if you just to put it in acode, even if it was just to
(36:34):
put it into code as to see ifthey got a hit, well, that would
still need to be signed off anddone right, which is why you
have to have a DA sign off andsay yes.
I'm reopening this cold case andthe assistant, da, holly
chambers Jones, but they can'tdo anything with that, about
that, because they can't get anySolid leads to put anybody at
(36:55):
the place of the crime.
They don't.
All they have is speculation orvery Testy eyewitnesses that
recanted what they said, or theymay not be alive anymore or
their memories may not beSelf-serve that they may not be
as clear as they were back then,if they are still alive.
But my whole thing with that isif you're opening a cold case,
(37:17):
then you should Be.
Any avenue that was notavailable to you in 70 or 85 Now
is available should be used tothe fullest extent that you can.
Because in the investigationthat you did initially you
wouldn't have waited.
You would not have waited tillyou had a suspect to take that
DNA and send it off.
You would have sent it off andsee if you got a hidden code is.
And then, because you alreadyhad the DNA available and you
(37:39):
had something, if you eventuallygot a suspect to test it
against, then you would send asuspect it's a sample in to be
able to test it against what youhave.
You wouldn't just sit on it.
And because they didn't have it, then as soon as you have the
capability to test it, youshould, which means they're not
putting in any effort to get anyof that done or they know who
(37:59):
it is and they don't want to putthe DNA in because they know
how it's gonna come back andSomebody's either watching or
somebody is scared.
And For that to have lasted the38 years is really hard for me
to accept.
But at the same time I know howit works down here in the South
.
Those roots go deep, those sodagraves, favors go far, and I
(38:24):
hate to say it like that,because I like to believe that
you know, and then I'm gonna putit out there that you're a fool
.
Not all law enforcement is bad,not all investigators or crops
or crooked, but they are.
They have, they have proven tobe Individuals that are shitty
(38:45):
people, regardless of what batchthey have or don't have.
Shitty people are everywhere.
So just because there was oneCrooked cop or one corrupt
official doesn't mean theentirety of all of them ever are
corrupt or crooked.
So just saying that as a point,Just because one of them are
bad as I make all of them badOne of them could be covering up
(39:07):
and none of the other oneswould know exactly.
They are standing behind whothey believe to be good, good
cops and good people, and youknow they'll be just as Wrong as
the rest of anybody.
So, anyway, they're standingbehind what they believe in, how
they are, not how you know theother person turned out to be.
(39:29):
So all of this is to hey, westill are sitting.
Or Jimmy Townsend's family anddaughter.
They're now sitting in the sameexact spot that they were
sitting in back in 85, withnothing getting done and and
seemingly no one trying or evenattempting to put in the maximum
(39:54):
effort.
And in my mind, this case seemsAbsolutely solvable.
Of all the cold cases andthings that you come across.
This one seems like it would bethe most readily solved if it
would just.
It just takes someone, that oneperson that's willing to step
up and say something.
Luckily for miss Christie, shedoes not have to do this fight
(40:20):
alone, even though she got me.
Well, from the get she's had,miss Dodie miss Dodie Allen, who
sent me the email initially whois the reason for us doing this
episode?
It just at the basic level.
She's, she's.
I want to call her a silentpartner, but that's not right
because she is relentlesslyYelling in everybody's ears and
(40:44):
all of the emails and all of thepeople that may or may not be
able to do something and saysomething.
So she's like a conscience.
Basically she's not.
She's the nagger and I pleasedon't take that.
Speaker 2 (40:54):
What did you say?
Don't take that wrong.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
What you call it is the best kind.
She's a white of relentless,that nagging voice in the back
of your head.
That's what miss Dodie is toevery person out there that is
Not even trying to pay attention.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
My mom's a pretty bad nagger?
Speaker 1 (41:14):
Yeah, well, she has la you.
You know, sent out thecountless emails.
She has spent what I could.
I can only assume that shespends the majority of her
waking hours listening topodcasts and then Relentlessly
trying to get Jimmy's storyheard.
You don't know how she livesher life, I don't but that's,
that's what I would assume justfrom our conversations, because
(41:37):
I guess, so she doesn't eatsleep doesn't go to the bathroom
.
Not even a little bit.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
You are a terrible imaginer.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
But she has reached out to date line, got them on a
list to do an episode for dateline.
She said they told her theywere weighed down the list, but
at least she's got them on thelist.
She reached out to real-timereal crime.
You remember the guy that didthe Courtney Coco case?
Hey, I was on that case.
Go listen to it.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
I'm amazing to listen to apparently.
Speaker 1 (42:04):
Apparently.
But when they reached out tohim he said get the foya and
come back to me.
So once you get the criminalwith the record or whatever the
police have, bring it back to meand we'll we'll go from there.
So Christy's already working onthat.
We're gonna see how that turnsout.
We're gonna cross our fingersand hope.
Both Christy and Dodie arewonderfully delightful women who
(42:25):
just want justice.
And and 35 years guys over 35years Most cold cases that you
have that are over 35 years olddon't have a snowball's chance.
This one seems so simple and Idon't mean simple in like, oh
well, we just go arrest the guy.
(42:45):
No, I mean like a little bit ofeffort, the most minimal effort
and gumption, that willingnessto actually follow the
information instead of justletting it sit and not have to
be that person.
It's your job to be that personfirst and foremost.
And that police department,that district attorney's office,
(43:10):
they owe this family theconsideration to at least follow
through and give it an actualtry and effort to get it solved
and get it finished, becausethat's all they're asking for
Now.
When I was talking earlier aboutJimmy's parents, mr James and
(43:34):
Miss Gale her first name wasRita, but she went by Gale.
He was their only child andMiss Gale never recovered.
She never bounced back, she had.
I mean, I can only imaginelosing your only child and
losing them in such a brutal wayand then having that defeated.
You know, overwhelming,suffocating feeling that nobody
(44:01):
wants to help you, that you hearall of the rumors in this town
that everybody knows who did itbut they're just not gonna
arrest him because they'rerelated to this one or that one
and that has to be defeating.
That has to feel hopeless and,yeah, I'm kind of sad.
I'm never gonna have parents asawesome as I did.
Say that again.
Speaker 2 (44:21):
Yeah, confused now, aren't you?
Speaker 1 (44:23):
A little bit.
Speaker 2 (44:23):
That's a thinker.
She's not gonna get it becauseit's a thinker yeah, I'm just
not gonna try.
Speaker 1 (44:28):
But See, this is exactly what's happening with
the case, exactly.
Speaker 2 (44:32):
Roasted.
Speaker 1 (44:33):
Yeah, but according to Miss Chrissy, that she had
never recovered.
She was.
She was literally going intothe hood, according to Chrissy,
and putting herself in aposition of well, I may not come
back out of here, butsomebody's gonna talk to me,
putting herself in the mostdangerous position just to try
to find out who it was and toget somebody to say and tell her
(44:56):
who killed her baby and Chrissyafter her dad died, because she
was only about a month I thinkshe was a month and a couple
days old when he passed away orwhen he was murdered brutally,
and her mother, who was 16.
Like we said, she wasn'tprepared, as most 16 year-olds
(45:18):
aren't, and at 11 months she wasactually adopted by a wonderful
family.
But you know, as she got oldershe was curious and wanted to
know about her dad and sheactually got back in contact
with her grandma Gail, who shecalled Mama and the only Mama
(45:41):
only wanted her to know the goodthings.
She didn't often talk to herabout the case, if at all,
although she had all of thenewspaper articles or whatever
she had in her or, you know, shekept track of everything.
But after a certain point shejust kind of gave up and,
according to Chrissy, they dideventually file like civil suits
against the Monro PD, wacharParish and the Civic Center like
(46:06):
the Monro Civic Center wherethey held the fair grant, where
they had the fair at andeventually I think they ended up
settling, but it was only afterthey took the Sheriff's
Department off of the suit andthen they settled and, according
to Chrissy and the digging thatshe's done, she's not even able
to find that record, eventhough she knows it was a thing,
(46:27):
because she had a trust thatwas in her name, because her
biological mother actually fileda suit on her behalf as well
for damages for the loss of herfather and there's she can't
find any record of it.
So just one of those things thatmake you scratch your head and
wonder, like what is actuallyhappening, right?
So when it comes down to whateveryone what I'm hoping
(46:53):
everyone can take away from thisand what we're trying to get
accomplished and what Chrissy istrying to get accomplished, she
wants someone to listen, hearthis and do something about it,
because she knows the bow-leggedguy is still alive, he is still
(47:17):
in the area.
So are everyone else that isstill involved that hasn't
already passed away?
I believe Shane has passed away, anthony, the only surviving
member of the side that wasn'tin the gang between Jimmy, shane
and Anthony.
Anthony is the only one who'sstill alive and, according to
(47:43):
the information that I received,he's not quick to speak about
the incident and you knowanybody who at that age, that
young of an age, witnessessomething like that, even if he
didn't witness the entirety ofthe attack.
Just finding your friend inthat state can be traumatic.
So they all have a sharedpost-traumatic stress and, from
(48:06):
what I understand, I believeShane took his own life.
So this affected more than justthe immediate family, more than
just Chrissy growing up withouther biological father and more
than just her growing up withoutever really getting to meet him
.
You know this affected way morefamilies, way more people than
(48:29):
just Jimmy and his family.
So when you're talking aboutgetting justice, you're talking
about righting wrongs that havehappened for the last 39 years,
because nobody wanted to dotheir job in 85, and that's
that's.
What is really aggravatingabout this is because this could
(48:53):
have been over and done with.
It could have been brought to aconclusion and saved the
heartache and saved the traumafor the family members and the
next generation and the nextgeneration.
It's just there.
There could have been an ending, there could have been.
(49:14):
You know it's never gonna bringhim back, but at least it's
going to keep this from becomingthe next generation's trauma.
And you know, chrissy has grownup in a world where she was
(49:34):
well loved and had a greatfamily from everything that
she's told me and she's got abeautiful family now.
But this still is an everydaythought, that is a prevalent
thought and is a fight that shefights every single day, that
(49:56):
more than one person can step upand become a part of giving her
the win that she deserves,giving her the finality that her
family and she absolutelydeserves.
(50:18):
And the problem with cold casesis usually that most of the
people involved whether it bethe witnesses or the law
enforcement officers, etc.
They've either died or they'retoo old to remember, or you know
it's been such a long time thattime has faded those memories
and made it nearly impossible to, you know, actually pinpoint a
(50:41):
person.
But that's not entirely the casehere.
There are people who remember,there are people who know and,
like I was talking about thebowlegged guy last year he
walked in to Chrissy's job andreally all you have to do is go
look at any of the comments onany of her public posts about
(51:06):
her, her dad's murder andgetting justice and asking for
help doing that from the DA andeverybody else that they're.
All you to do is look at thecomments.
People remember, people knowwho it was.
Even some of the members of lawenforcement have, or that have
retired or no longer on theforce, like have weighed in,
like yeah, they know who theyare, they have names and it's
(51:27):
just.
It's.
It's baffling to me that thatmuch information can still be
out there almost 40 years laterand nobody's doing anything
about it.
So that's why we have to makethis view, make everybody aware
of this whole case and what'sgoing on, just to get a little
stir the pot right and for what.
(51:49):
What Chrissy is asking and anddoing this episode and getting
the information out there.
Literally, all she wants is tobe heard.
She wants this to make enoughnoise that it triggers action.
So what we can do and what allof you can do, no matter where
you are, like I said, theeasiest thing.
It's so simple share this story, share it, share this episode
(52:13):
on my podcast.
She's got another like share.
Share the link to the newsarticle, share the petition.
I'll have it on my Twitter.
I'll have it on my YouTube.
I'll have it on my take talk.
Share those.
Just tell people share youchicken especially if you're in
Louisiana, especially here, ifyou're in the Munro up there, in
that area, people, you, yourvoice and all of everybody
(52:37):
else's voices, they can make adifference, even if we don't
actually solve anything or putthe cuffs on anybody.
If we make enough noise, or ifenough noise is made, maybe
Chrissy and her family willfinally get the justice they
deserve and to be able to putthis whole thing in a little
nice box and say we got you andthey get the justice that was
(52:59):
that should have been given tothem.
Closure almost 40, you know.
You know I hate the word closure, especially in this kind of
stuff, because there's neverreally a closure, it's more of a
sink, a succinct ending, justto kind of know that you did
everything that you could do,that the bright people were held
responsible and accountable forwhat happened, and then that's
(53:24):
all you can do.
So maybe if we get loud enough,the wash it all.
Parish DA's office has nochoice but to listen.
So if you have any informationregarding the case, you can
contact crime stoppers at318-88-CASH.
Chrissy has an award for athousand dollars for information
(53:47):
that leads to an arrest, andI'm gonna leave you with one
last word from Chrissy, and asyou listen to what she has to
say and what you need to takeaway from this, I hope you guys
can kind of try to put yourselfin the same situation and just
take that couple extra minutesthat they would take to help her
(54:07):
out and to try to get justicefor this family.
And with that we'll see youguys next time.
Doses.
Here's Christy.
Speaker 2 (54:15):
I'm not trying to keep anything or hide anything.
I want, I like, I'm, I needthis, just much, you know.
And I just want justice.
I want them to do it's right.
It's time, it's way past timeyou.
Hey guys, this is episode 20, and normally this is
the part where I would do acold intro, which is where I
usually say something spicy orenticing.
But this one's gonna bedifferent, because this story is
important for more reasons thanone, and what we hope to do in
(00:21):
this episode is spread awareness, create noise and to be able to
have as many people as possibleunderstanding that this is
something that needs to be fixed, needs to be solved, and it can
be so.
Just on that note, I wanted toput it out there at the very
(00:42):
beginning of the episode to makesure that everybody heard it,
because I know it doesn't alwayseverybody doesn't always make
it to the end.
So right now we're trying tolight a fire, and that fire
starts with every single one ofyou that listen, no matter where
you're located, no matter whereyou live.
You can help and in the shownotes of whatever podcast
platform you're looking at orlistening to and even if you
(01:02):
can't find it there, you can goto my TikTok, my Twitter or
YouTube Any of those will havethe link for the petition for
this case in the show notes.
Okay, so you have plenty ofoptions to be able to find it
and to be able to help make adifference, if you feel so moved
, and by the end of this episode, we hope that you are.
(01:46):
Hey guys, welcome to episode 20.
This is going to be Justice forJimmy Townsend.
I'm Kelly and I'm Uncle Sawyerand this is going to be I'm
thinking this is going to be oneof the more important episodes
that we've done.
I think definitely probably themost important so far, really
important, because we workdirectly with the family on this
(02:09):
one and it feels more personal.
So we're going to try to doright by them, right, uncle
Sawyer?
Yes, it's definitely the firstone that we actually contacted
people that were relatives orrelated to the person involved
in the crime or case.
I guess Right, right, andactually this is an email
(02:33):
suggestion Ms Dodie Allen, whois a really good friend of the
family.
She knew the victim.
She contacted me by email andasked us to cover this case and
we'll get on the subject of MsDodie later, but that's where
this came from and they weremore than willing to speak with
(02:53):
us and answer all of ourquestions.
And in this episode, ourlisteners get the privilege of
actually hearing directly fromthe family via the interview
that we did so.
We're really excited for thisand we're actually like you
heard guys heard in the intro wewant this to do something to
(03:14):
help, so everybody that listensit literally won't take but a
few seconds to go click, clickon that petition, go sign and
just be a part of helping thisfamily finally get something
that has been long overdue tothem.
So, that being said, justicefor Jimmy, justice hashtag.
(03:39):
Justice for Jimmy, it's a thing.
Hashbrowns, hashtags.
Hash browns are delicious.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Great Now.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
I'm hungry.
Same Damn you, all right.
So first off, I want tointroduce you to the family
member that you'll be hearingfrom.
Her name is Christy.
She is the daughter of ourvictim.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
I was born August 24th of 85.
And my dad, his name is JimmyTownsend, he was 13.
And my mother was 16.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
She has been trying for years now to get
acknowledgement, to get relief,to get somebody to listen, to
get somebody to speak up.
So she's dedicated and, as yousee, she probably gets that
fighting spirit directly fromher father, and her father is
(04:34):
the victim.
His name is Jimmy.
He was born in December 20th1971.
And, yes, this is one of theolder ones, but is still, to
this day, unsolved, although Ido believe it has been as of
(04:54):
last year.
I think it was technicallyreopened, but he was born 1971.
And Christy, his daughter, wasborn August 24th of 85.
Yes, he was only 13.
But when we're talking aboutthis case, that is literally the
(05:17):
most irrelevant bit ofinformation that any of you can
take away from this.
So we're going to scoot rightpast it, because, regardless of
how old he was, regardless ofany other situation or
circumstances, no one deserveswhat happened.
Also, his mother of Christy was16.
Yeah, she was 16 at the time,so it's only three years apart.
(05:39):
Right, it was a different worldin the 70s.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, man, so he was an onlychild and, for all intents and
purposes, he was a normal 13year old, except for the fact
that he was known as anexceptional athlete.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Just started boxing.
For two years he was actually aboxer, a baseball player.
He played football.
He was really really good inbaseball.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
He was also involved with his community.
I mean just an all around allAmerican kid, 13 years old.
13 years old and he was thesize of a 16, 17 year old.
Well, you guys can look at, seethe pictures yourself.
It was everything that I've gotvery athletically built.
(06:32):
Absolutely, he ate his cornbreadand definitely well built,
stocky kid.
He got some good genes.
And speaking of the boxing, heactually won a contest by a
local boxing promotion company.
What he won was a lunch withsmoking, joe Frazier.
(06:54):
So do you have any idea whothat is or why he's famous?
Speaker 2 (06:58):
He was a boxer.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Okay, yes, moving on.
So if you're not a big boxingfan, I'm not really but
everybody knows who Muhammad Aliis, right Like it's a whole
thing.
Smoking Joe Frazier actuallybeat him.
He beat Muhammad Ali at MadisonSquare Garden and this was
known as the fight of thecentury, and then he held the
(07:20):
heavyweight champion for likefive years before he gave it up
and decided to go help hiscommunity back in Philadelphia.
He also had a gold medal fromthe 1964 Olympics in boxing.
So I mean pretty big deal,Especially for kids.
You know, in bumpkin I wasgonna say the other one,
(07:41):
Louisiana who don't really haveoptions and opportunities to
meet famous people, especiallyblack community, especially at
that time they didn't have a lotof role models to look up to.
But smoking Joe Frazier, one ofthose big ones.
He was part of the winnerpackage or whatever, and turned
(08:02):
out that Jimmy won and so he gotto go have lunch and they
actually did a whole write upand in the paper about him
winning and going to meet andgoing to hang out with him.
So in those pictures will alsobe available on the website and
so this would have been a verybig honor for anybody, but
(08:23):
apparently it also was a pointof contention, jealousy, all of
those things.
In 1985, Christy was born, andthat same year, in September,
her dad, Jimmy, went to theArclamis Fair, which they still
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have up in Monroe.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
That had happened.
He was with his friends and hewas riding rides.
Everything was cool.
He knew my mom would have tocome and pick him up at 12
o'clock, so he and two of hisother friends partake.
Whenever I say partake, theywere all designed and they were
(09:11):
smoking it before my mom allcame to pick him up so they were
behind by the farmers marketwhich is on the back end of the
fair, because the fair is at ourMonroe Civic Center.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
They went to the let's call it the shady side of
the convention center.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
The stocks?
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Yeah, probably Whatever it was.
It was on the least lit sidewhere teenagers could go to do
things they would probably notrather be seen doing in public.
So, yeah, they were lightenedup, they had some weed and they
were over there smoking itbefore Jimmy's mom got back to
(09:53):
pick him up, because he's 13.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
He can't drive, so when he, when him and his friend
was back there smoking, he wasconfronted by five guys and how
it was described to me, theywere in like a half moon shape,
my dad being on the end, twofriends to his right and then
the five guys in front of theend, if you can get that
description.
(10:15):
The guy on the other end triedto call from my dad was Bo
Leggad.
They're all black.
They were in a gang.
The name of it was the LaneGang around here, and even the
cops were scared of them.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
I couldn't actually find anything on the Lane Gang.
It just it doesn't exist.
I don't know if that's becausethey didn't write up about it a
lot.
Like the only gang that I couldfind that was associated with
that name was based out ofFlorida.
I don't know if they likerolled over and had like a part
of it here or tried to start oneLike I don't know, I'm not for
sure or if it's like anextension of the Florida based
(10:53):
one.
I really I really don't know.
My outside research informationwas very limited.
They had multiple and repeatedincidents that were blamed on
likely gang activity in the area.
(11:14):
Like even this same night thatthis happened, there was another
kid at that same fair who gotbeat up by a group of guys that
actually matched the samedescription as Jimmy, whose name
was Jim, and he got beat up.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
So when they came up, there were several people
walking up behind them, but theywere still a good distance
behind them.
And I know the story from thetwo guys that was with my dad,
his two friends.
I have talked to both of them.
One of them is now passed awayand one of them is they both had
like PTSD from this.
So when the gang came up to him, the Bo-Legged guy asked them
(11:59):
to buy some weed and they werelike no, we're good.
You see, like he showed themthe joint, they started smoking.
Well, it pissed them off.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
And they were already looking for a fight.
They were going to fight, nomatter what was that insurger
said.
Like no matter how thatconversation went.
The group of five that walkedup were looking to engage in an
altercation.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
That's just my take the Bo-Legged guy.
I'm going to call him Bo-Leggedbecause that's the only thing
that I know of him, right?
Speaker 1 (12:27):
now.
So for the rest of the episode,I'm going to refer to one of
them as the Bo-Legged guy,because that's all the
information we have.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
He came up and he punched my dad.
My dad punched him back.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Jimmy has no like.
He's a stocky kid and he knowshow to fight.
He's very athletic and, ofcourse, his reaction when he got
punched in the face, he punchedhim right back and, according
to what the witnesses said atthe time, he actually broke Old
Boy's nose and when thathappened, you know, everybody
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like the guys, all the guys thatcame with him was coming up to
him, and then that's when theysplit.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
So the two guys that was with my dad was running,
running away and my dad shouldhave been right there behind him
, but he wasn't.
He ran another way and theyfollowed my dad.
They were looking for himbecause there was a couple
fights that night and anotherguy there that was attacked.
(13:34):
His name was Jim and he alsohad blonde hair and was from the
same school that my dad went to.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
They got around to like the front of the fair and
were waiting on Jimmy andrealized that he wasn't coming.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
And when they called it to my dad, that's when the
fight happened.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
The last they saw of him was that Jimmy was still
fighting back and trying tofight off all the guys that were
around him and holding his ownfor the most part.
Unfortunately, it wasn't enough.
You get five against one.
I mean, those were pretty,pretty shitty odds.
So he fought back witheverything he had.
He would hit one, the otherones would hit him in the back
(14:15):
of the head or whatever.
Eventually they got him on theground and were kicking,
punching, hitting.
He was fighting for his life.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
That's when he lost his life.
He lost that fight.
The fight was so bad heliterally died.
Fighting for his life thedefinition of fighting for your
life was what he did.
Can you imagine being in thecenter of seven guys being hit
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from every angle?
You know, just when you turnaround to hit somebody, you're
getting hit from behind.
You hit everywhere, yeah.
And then not only that, that'snot enough.
When he falls down to theground, they just put a tough
kick in on him.
It's just so bad that hisorgans couldn't be donated.
(15:10):
They were in pieces.
They dislocated his body fromhis cranial.
That was the final blow, I wouldbelieve, after that lady hit
him in the car.
It was actually a 19-year-old.
(15:30):
There were several witnessesthere.
When the fair workers and thecops got up to him, you know
he'd done half-bound movementsand all that.
You know it was pretty muchkind of gone.
But they rushed into thehospital and put him on a vent
(15:55):
and that was breathing for him.
That was enough for his dad.
My dad bought to come in town.
Unless he got in town, theytook him off.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
I can't imagine, especially when I'm about to
tell you his actual extent ofinjuries.
I don't know how he was evenbreathing well enough for them
to put him on a ventilator.
So once they actually did theautopsy, his cause of death was
actually listed.
(16:28):
Now Get this.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
He had shaken baby syndrome, which is really he was
13.
Normally shaken baby syndromeis, you know, when you are an
infant and being shook by aparent so hard, your brain is
rattling in your skull.
That's what happened to him.
He's so swollen.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
And for those of you who may or may not know the
specifics of that, shaken babysyndrome is a condition usually
only given to children under theage of 5, because your brain
does not fuse to your skullcompletely until after age 5.
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So what happens is your brainhas this little bit of space or
this little gap in between yourskull and your brain and when
you shake a baby, that causessevere hemorrhages on your brain
or brain bleeds because it hasenough room to bounce around in
there and create damage.
(17:42):
Normally it's only in.
I've never heard of it beingassigned to anyone over 5 or 6
years old, and all that tellsyou about this incident is that
the level of violence wasridiculously high.
(18:06):
According to what Christy said,she knows because again, we
don't have the full autopsybecause this is still
technically an open case now andI believe she's working on
getting a FOIA request or aFreedom of Information Act
request to be able to get thecase file and whatever
information they do have.
But as of right now she's justhad a couple glimpses at the
(18:29):
documents and just goes off ofwhat information that she has
been relayed to her.
I know for a fact his kidneyscould not be weighed because
they were pulverized.
There wasn't enough left ofthem inside of his body for them
to be weighed on autopsy.
So, knowing all of that, thefact that he was still breathing
(18:53):
is just a testament to theamount of fight this kid had in
him, and I mean it's justabsolutely incredible.
So while he's in the hospitalfighting for his life or waiting
for his dad to get there sothey can at least have a chance
to say goodbye to their13-year-old only child.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
The kid that was with him was at the police station
doing a lie detector testbecause the cops thought they
were in on it.
They thought that they killedhim.
Instead of listening to him, helistened to him and telling him
what happened.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
And they both passed.
But it was crazy to me, likewhy would they hang around?
Why would they just?
And the amount of violence thatwas inflicted on them?
They had to have been able tosee either their hands or
whatever.
There would have been blood ontheir clothes, something, some
kind of imagery, some kind ofevidence of what they would have
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done if they would have done itRight.
So if they were the one whobeat him this severely, they
would have had some signs of it.
I don't know, I wasn't there.
So they passed those liedetectors and then, finally,
they started listening to themas witnesses instead of suspects
and, from what I understand,they had at least four other
(20:15):
witnesses within the first 24 or48 hours.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Tons, I mean hundreds of people, Hundreds of kids.
There was just a homeless guy.
He witnessed it, but he was sodrunk out of his mind they
didn't really take a statementinto consideration.
He didn't really think that hewas telling the truth or just
bulls-rush.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
I guess you could say and apparently he said he saw
everything and could tell themexactly who it was.
But they kind of wrote him offbecause he was a homeless drunk
and they just disregarded theinformation for whatever reason.
And then there was also a Gangmembers yeah, yeah, a girlfriend
(20:59):
of one of the gang members that.
Now, this gang, from what weunderstand, was called the Lang
gang and we'll get into themotive here in just a second.
But, like, if you do anythingabout gangs, you know there's
usually some type of initiationand that initiation usually
involves some sort of violence,and random violence at that.
Now, the girlfriend that theygot into an interview room.
(21:23):
They actually got a name fromher and this was the same person
that she named.
That was later brought in for aphoto lineup.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
She gave a statement and then it led to his friends
having a photo on us going.
And they picked out the sameguy.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Both Shane and Anthony both of the other two
friends identified the sameperson as one of the people that
were there that beat Jimmy todeath and positively identified,
took him into an interview room.
He was a minor, I don't knowexactly what age, but he was
(22:16):
under 18.
And apparently he gave a fullconfession.
Not only did he give a fullconfession, but he also named
names, at least one, probablymore.
But the reason I say, or thereason we were even here talking
about this, was because you hada confession.
So why is this an unsolved case?
Because within three to fourhours he recanted Apparently
(22:43):
someone had hired a hotshotattorney for him and attorney
came in and said you guys havenothing, release my client.
He recants, he's not talkingwithout me ever again.
And because nobody was presentwhen they did the interview,
none of it could be used.
It was all inadmissible.
That was probably one of thearguments.
I honestly don't know.
(23:03):
I don't know how it was in the70s.
I don't even know if they hadthose rights.
Things were very loosey-gooseyback then.
But either way, there went thatand then I think they had
plenty of witnesses.
You know what I mean, becausethis wasn't like.
It was something that you knowwas just off in the middle of
the woods somewhere in thedesolate no, this was right
(23:26):
outside the fair, like it's not,like they didn't have people
with an earshot that probablywould have heard something.
And then come to find out fromthe friends that were there.
Jimmy knew the people thatwalked up on them.
According to the friends, likehe knew.
Maybe he wasn't like goodfriends with them, but he knew
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who they were, the boxing classand stuff that he was in.
I believe, or they were all inthe same kind of contest, and
there were members of the gangthat were in that contest as
well and they lost to Jimmy.
So this is a theory andspeculation station, but it
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could be assumed that not onlywere they jealous because they
didn't get to go to lunch withFrazier, but they got beat by
this white boy.
And now, because they have anew member to initiate, or what
have you, they have an easytarget Like, oh well, this guy
(24:33):
pissed us off because he beat us.
We should have won, let's go,he's the person you should beat
up for whatever.
And you know, all of those areguesses, all of those are
possibilities, but which?
The more I think about it theless.
I think that's what it actuallywas, because if it were to be
an initiation of some sort, itwouldn't have been all of them,
(24:54):
it would have been just one ofthem Right just the one guy.
right, that's what I wasthinking.
What I'm thinking the morealong the lines of it was, the
wrong person got crossed insidethe group, went back to the
group and said, hey, this guycrossed me, we got to go get him
.
And then they all went and gothim, which is more like it.
That sounds more Actually.
Yeah, because you're right, theinitiation thing.
(25:15):
They usually make them do itthemselves, because if they
can't hold their own, thenthey're not going to be in.
They do it by themselves.
They didn't think.
No audience, they don't gowatch, they send them alone.
Yeah, I didn't know that part,but I didn't know they had to do
it by themselves.
Yeah, because it's If you don'tdo what you're supposed to, if
you're not the winner, if youdon't prevail, then you're not
allowed to be in the gang orwhatever Bloody and bled out
(25:37):
homie or something like that.
That's okay.
Look, I know that because ofAngela Johnson.
Don't come at me, it's not.
That's literally where thatcame from.
Yeah, so In my head anyway,we're not affiliated with any
gangs or crews.
No, not even a little bit, thewhitest of white girls.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Alright you guys know that You've seen my.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
TikToks Trying to catch me, white and nerdy.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
Trying to catch me white and nerdy.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
So they get the confession, but they recant and
they actually and this is whereit gets kind of confusing and
this is where we don't have alot of information Remember,
this was 38 years ago, literally39, in September of this year
but we have the limitedinformation that we have.
I believe the daughter, missChrissy.
(26:24):
I know she has more information, but from our sitting area and
from what she told us, I don'tknow for sure which one of these
people if they're the samepeople and like Boleg a guy, is
really the only one that we havepinpointed.
There's another one that andpinpointed the strong word Right
(26:46):
.
We technically still don't knowhis name, and Chrissy doesn't
even know his name the daughter.
So that same night, though,there was another one of the
gang, or it may have been Bolega guy, I'm not sure.
He went to the hospital andthey found out later and, like I
said, I don't know if he wasone of the ones that was not the
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Boleg a guy or if he was aBoleg a guy.
I just don't know for sure.
I know that he was alsointerviewed and I actually think
they pulled in, oh god, atleast 75 to 100 different kids
from the area to talk to and,you know, do an interview with.
I actually have the news clipthat I got from Chrissy.
(27:32):
Pretty much all of thedocumentation and stuff that
I'll post along with this caseeither came from her or Dodie,
and you can also check herFacebook page.
Oh, it's a group, but it is aprivate group.
A group you can ask to be apart of it or you can Google it.
There's multiple articles aboutit.
Yeah, those ones a couple thatshe sent me were hard to find.
So either check out the websiteor All you have to do is type
(27:54):
in Jimmy Townsend, 1985.
Yeah, and it.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
There's a couple, but most of them are Joe.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
Frazier.
Yeah, First, three things popup.
Yeah, so with that, like I said, I'll put that out there so you
all can see that in the JoeFrazier articles and a couple
others that I have but I'm notfor sure on who was, who was
what but they did interviewhundreds of kids, hundreds of
people, but nobody else outsideof the one who confessed.
(28:25):
They didn't get anything elsebecause, like I said, it was a
lot of I don't know.
I don't remember, I couldn'treally tell, I don't know
anything about them and it wasjust very hush-hush, Very Just
super suspicious, super sus, andfrom Chrissy's perspective, she
(28:49):
doesn't think it was justbecause it had to do with the
gang.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
And then, whenever I went to the detective, I'm like
hey, I have names of thesekillers, why ain't something
being done?
Speaker 1 (29:02):
She actually believes that the entire and forgive me
for the present Munro PoliceDepartment, wachita Paris
investigative unit, she believesthat they were highly corrupt
and that there were my brother,sister, cousin, nephew kind of
(29:24):
thing where they didn't want tobe a part of it.
They didn't want to get anybodyyou know any of their own quote
unquote in trouble and that itwas kind of one of those things
where, well, I don't really wantto touch it, I just want to get
my hands off of it and that's,you know, that kind of
deep-seated corruption, if youwill, because I don't want to
(29:48):
upset my cousin or my auntie orwhoever calls any waves and
they're really a good kid andall of those things.
All of those things that we'veheard in true crime, always, you
know, just trying to protectyour own and by doing so you're
(30:10):
allowing extremely violentadolescent men to continue
rampaging.
Anyway, so the Sheriff at thetime his name was actually
Willie Buffington and again,this is one of those things
where, like you go onnewspaperscom, you can find out
(30:31):
anything about anybody.
You type my name in there,first and last name, you can see
, you can still see my, thearticles that wrote about me
when I played basketball inOklahoma, and even if in the 70s
we didn't have the internet, westill have the ability to look
at the newspapers from then.
You should be able to locatemore than just you know little
(30:54):
bits here and there and I foundplenty with Sheriff Buffington's
name in it.
But when it comes to Jimmy'scase, there's very limited
information.
Almost nothing turns up whenyou search for it.
It's a little bit unsettling,honestly, because it's almost
like they were purposely nottalking about it and that's that
(31:20):
, to me, is odd.
It sits very weird with me likeI don't.
It does not sit well, that's abetter way to say that.
I should have said it, becausetypically there'd be like press
releases.
They'd tell the people what'sgoing on, what happened, they'd
address the issue publicly.
None of that happened, not thatI could find I go back.
(31:43):
I even went back to August of85 to forward and there's just
there wasn't anything.
I mean it's like it's just goneNow, in fairness, I know that
the Monroe PD and Washington,paris and I'm not sure exactly
(32:05):
which one, but they've had acouple of fires over the years
and we've had hurricanes andwe've had things, and I
understand that that shithappens.
There are natural disasters.
But then there's also a thingthat too many coincidences means
it's not a coincidence, it justit's not.
You know, you can only have somany things that happen before
(32:28):
it turns into obviouslyintentional and that's why I had
to move away Right.
So right now, the way that itstands, they literally just last
year, when Chrissy went and got, she did a TV interview, which
(32:49):
I'll also have a link for in theshow notes, with KTVE.
Is that what that is?
Let me see Whichever local newsstation you've been in Well it
was my arclamess and I thinkthey
had actually two different code.
I think it's KTVE and thenK-A-R-D.
But either way, I'll have alink in the show notes and you
can watch that as well.
When she did that and theyreleased it at two different
(33:10):
time periods, which I thoughtwas really great because they
really made an effort and theyactually made an effort to get
in touch with the policedepartment and everything or the
DA, anybody to get them to talkto them, and they got nothing
back, they got no bites.
But when they, when she didthat interview with them and
they actually ran the coverage,they and the police department
this is that.
(33:31):
Would this piss me off.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
When she told me Chrissy, and I'll let her tell
you and when they made the case,when he told me that the case
became active, I had to find outfrom the lady that did my news
interview, because I did a newsinterview.
Yes, ma'am, I saw that.
Yes, ma'am, she, she's the onewho texted me.
I was actually out of town whenshe did and when she pissed me
(33:55):
off I was like he didn't evencall me.
Whenever I got back into town,I immediately went up there and
he knew why I was there.
He was like I have some goodnews for you.
I'm like yeah, I know you do.
Why haven't you called me?
Like you know, it's been likeit's been.
It was been a whole day becauseI didn't hear from the news
lady until the day after,because she called the DA's
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office one enough day.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
Yeah.
So instead of telling her thatthey were going to reopen the
case, they called the newsstation but in the okay and
that's what she had beenfighting to do for the longest
time was to get it opened and toget it, get attention back on
it and for them to file chargeswith the names that she knows
they have.
(34:41):
So, speaking from an evidenceside of things, from what
Chrissy said, from the time thatshe got to kind of glance at
the evidence and from theinformation that her most recent
investigator was telling her,they do have evidence that they
(35:06):
can use for DNA testing.
It would take a lot inprocessing and getting
everything submitted properlyand yada, yada, yada, but they
do have it.
Otherwise I don't even thinkyou would have engaged in the
conversation talking about howto do it.
And I mean there had to havebeen On Jimmy, if nothing else
because that brutal of a beating, that amount of force he broke
(35:28):
the one guy's nose, so therewould have been blood.
There would have been andapparently and I have the that
night the original investigationreport it actually says on the
report that they gatheredevidence and they took pictures
and that was the night of andit's signed by what was that
(35:49):
guy's name?
Dambi, which I thought was aninteresting name?
He was one of the originalinvestigators at the scene, but
there's proof in and of itselfthat they got evidence.
So what do they do with it?
I understand in the 70s theyweren't DNAing, but they should
be able to DNA now, if for noother reason than just to kind
(36:11):
of put the family at ease andlet them know that they're doing
everything that they can.
Yeah, but you also have to lookat it like this they're going
to try to get warrants to getDNA from who knows the amount of
people that they need to get itfrom, and I know no, no, no, no
.
Even if you just to put it in acode, even if it was just to
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put it into code as to see ifthey got a hit, well, that would
still need to be signed off anddone right, which is why you
have to have a DA sign off andsay yes.
I'm reopening this cold case andthe assistant, da, holly
chambers Jones, but they can'tdo anything with that, about
that, because they can't get anySolid leads to put anybody at
(36:55):
the place of the crime.
They don't.
All they have is speculation orvery Testy eyewitnesses that
recanted what they said, or theymay not be alive anymore or
their memories may not beSelf-serve that they may not be
as clear as they were back then,if they are still alive.
But my whole thing with that isif you're opening a cold case,
(37:17):
then you should Be.
Any avenue that was notavailable to you in 70 or 85 Now
is available should be used tothe fullest extent that you can.
Because in the investigationthat you did initially you
wouldn't have waited.
You would not have waited tillyou had a suspect to take that
DNA and send it off.
You would have sent it off andsee if you got a hidden code is.
And then, because you alreadyhad the DNA available and you
(37:39):
had something, if you eventuallygot a suspect to test it
against, then you would send asuspect it's a sample in to be
able to test it against what youhave.
You wouldn't just sit on it.
And because they didn't have it, then as soon as you have the
capability to test it, youshould, which means they're not
putting in any effort to get anyof that done or they know who
(37:59):
it is and they don't want to putthe DNA in because they know
how it's gonna come back andSomebody's either watching or
somebody is scared.
And For that to have lasted the38 years is really hard for me
to accept.
But at the same time I know howit works down here in the South
.
Those roots go deep, those sodagraves, favors go far, and I
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hate to say it like that,because I like to believe that
you know, and then I'm gonna putit out there that you're a fool
.
Not all law enforcement is bad,not all investigators or crops
or crooked, but they are.
They have, they have proven tobe Individuals that are shitty
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people, regardless of what batchthey have or don't have.
Shitty people are everywhere.
So just because there was oneCrooked cop or one corrupt
official doesn't mean theentirety of all of them ever are
corrupt or crooked.
So just saying that as a point,Just because one of them are
bad as I make all of them badOne of them could be covering up
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and none of the other oneswould know exactly.
They are standing behind whothey believe to be good, good
cops and good people, and youknow they'll be just as Wrong as
the rest of anybody.
So, anyway, they're standingbehind what they believe in, how
they are, not how you know theother person turned out to be.
(39:29):
So all of this is to hey, westill are sitting.
Or Jimmy Townsend's family anddaughter.
They're now sitting in the sameexact spot that they were
sitting in back in 85, withnothing getting done and and
seemingly no one trying or evenattempting to put in the maximum
(39:54):
effort.
And in my mind, this case seemsAbsolutely solvable.
Of all the cold cases andthings that you come across.
This one seems like it would bethe most readily solved if it
would just.
It just takes someone, that oneperson that's willing to step
up and say something.
Luckily for miss Christie, shedoes not have to do this fight
(40:20):
alone, even though she got me.
Well, from the get she's had,miss Dodie miss Dodie Allen, who
sent me the email initially whois the reason for us doing this
episode?
It just at the basic level.
She's, she's.
I want to call her a silentpartner, but that's not right
because she is relentlesslyYelling in everybody's ears and
(40:44):
all of the emails and all of thepeople that may or may not be
able to do something and saysomething.
So she's like a conscience.
Basically she's not.
She's the nagger and I pleasedon't take that.
Speaker 2 (40:54):
What did you say?
Don't take that wrong.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
What you call it is the best kind.
She's a white of relentless,that nagging voice in the back
of your head.
That's what miss Dodie is toevery person out there that is
Not even trying to pay attention.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
My mom's a pretty bad nagger?
Speaker 1 (41:14):
Yeah, well, she has la you.
You know, sent out thecountless emails.
She has spent what I could.
I can only assume that shespends the majority of her
waking hours listening topodcasts and then Relentlessly
trying to get Jimmy's storyheard.
You don't know how she livesher life, I don't but that's,
that's what I would assume justfrom our conversations, because
(41:37):
I guess, so she doesn't eatsleep doesn't go to the bathroom
.
Not even a little bit.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
You are a terrible imaginer.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
But she has reached out to date line, got them on a
list to do an episode for dateline.
She said they told her theywere weighed down the list, but
at least she's got them on thelist.
She reached out to real-timereal crime.
You remember the guy that didthe Courtney Coco case?
Hey, I was on that case.
Go listen to it.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
I'm amazing to listen to apparently.
Speaker 1 (42:04):
Apparently.
But when they reached out tohim he said get the foya and
come back to me.
So once you get the criminalwith the record or whatever the
police have, bring it back to meand we'll we'll go from there.
So Christy's already working onthat.
We're gonna see how that turnsout.
We're gonna cross our fingersand hope.
Both Christy and Dodie arewonderfully delightful women who
(42:25):
just want justice.
And and 35 years guys over 35years Most cold cases that you
have that are over 35 years olddon't have a snowball's chance.
This one seems so simple and Idon't mean simple in like, oh
well, we just go arrest the guy.
(42:45):
No, I mean like a little bit ofeffort, the most minimal effort
and gumption, that willingnessto actually follow the
information instead of justletting it sit and not have to
be that person.
It's your job to be that personfirst and foremost.
And that police department,that district attorney's office,
(43:10):
they owe this family theconsideration to at least follow
through and give it an actualtry and effort to get it solved
and get it finished, becausethat's all they're asking for
Now.
When I was talking earlier aboutJimmy's parents, mr James and
(43:34):
Miss Gale her first name wasRita, but she went by Gale.
He was their only child andMiss Gale never recovered.
She never bounced back, she had.
I mean, I can only imaginelosing your only child and
losing them in such a brutal wayand then having that defeated.
You know, overwhelming,suffocating feeling that nobody
(44:01):
wants to help you, that you hearall of the rumors in this town
that everybody knows who did itbut they're just not gonna
arrest him because they'rerelated to this one or that one
and that has to be defeating.
That has to feel hopeless and,yeah, I'm kind of sad.
I'm never gonna have parents asawesome as I did.
Say that again.
Speaker 2 (44:21):
Yeah, confused now, aren't you?
Speaker 1 (44:23):
A little bit.
Speaker 2 (44:23):
That's a thinker.
She's not gonna get it becauseit's a thinker yeah, I'm just
not gonna try.
Speaker 1 (44:28):
But See, this is exactly what's happening with
the case, exactly.
Speaker 2 (44:32):
Roasted.
Speaker 1 (44:33):
Yeah, but according to Miss Chrissy, that she had
never recovered.
She was.
She was literally going intothe hood, according to Chrissy,
and putting herself in aposition of well, I may not come
back out of here, butsomebody's gonna talk to me,
putting herself in the mostdangerous position just to try
to find out who it was and toget somebody to say and tell her
(44:56):
who killed her baby and Chrissyafter her dad died, because she
was only about a month I thinkshe was a month and a couple
days old when he passed away orwhen he was murdered brutally,
and her mother, who was 16.
Like we said, she wasn'tprepared, as most 16 year-olds
(45:18):
aren't, and at 11 months she wasactually adopted by a wonderful
family.
But you know, as she got oldershe was curious and wanted to
know about her dad and sheactually got back in contact
with her grandma Gail, who shecalled Mama and the only Mama
(45:41):
only wanted her to know the goodthings.
She didn't often talk to herabout the case, if at all,
although she had all of thenewspaper articles or whatever
she had in her or, you know, shekept track of everything.
But after a certain point shejust kind of gave up and,
according to Chrissy, they dideventually file like civil suits
against the Monro PD, wacharParish and the Civic Center like
(46:06):
the Monro Civic Center wherethey held the fair grant, where
they had the fair at andeventually I think they ended up
settling, but it was only afterthey took the Sheriff's
Department off of the suit andthen they settled and, according
to Chrissy and the digging thatshe's done, she's not even able
to find that record, eventhough she knows it was a thing,
(46:27):
because she had a trust thatwas in her name, because her
biological mother actually fileda suit on her behalf as well
for damages for the loss of herfather and there's she can't
find any record of it.
So just one of those things thatmake you scratch your head and
wonder, like what is actuallyhappening, right?
So when it comes down to whateveryone what I'm hoping
(46:53):
everyone can take away from thisand what we're trying to get
accomplished and what Chrissy istrying to get accomplished, she
wants someone to listen, hearthis and do something about it,
because she knows the bow-leggedguy is still alive, he is still
(47:17):
in the area.
So are everyone else that isstill involved that hasn't
already passed away?
I believe Shane has passed away, anthony, the only surviving
member of the side that wasn'tin the gang between Jimmy, shane
and Anthony.
Anthony is the only one who'sstill alive and, according to
(47:43):
the information that I received,he's not quick to speak about
the incident and you knowanybody who at that age, that
young of an age, witnessessomething like that, even if he
didn't witness the entirety ofthe attack.
Just finding your friend inthat state can be traumatic.
So they all have a sharedpost-traumatic stress and, from
(48:06):
what I understand, I believeShane took his own life.
So this affected more than justthe immediate family, more than
just Chrissy growing up withouther biological father and more
than just her growing up withoutever really getting to meet him
.
You know this affected way morefamilies, way more people than
(48:29):
just Jimmy and his family.
So when you're talking aboutgetting justice, you're talking
about righting wrongs that havehappened for the last 39 years,
because nobody wanted to dotheir job in 85, and that's
that's.
What is really aggravatingabout this is because this could
(48:53):
have been over and done with.
It could have been brought to aconclusion and saved the
heartache and saved the traumafor the family members and the
next generation and the nextgeneration.
It's just there.
There could have been an ending, there could have been.
(49:14):
You know it's never gonna bringhim back, but at least it's
going to keep this from becomingthe next generation's trauma.
And you know, chrissy has grownup in a world where she was
(49:34):
well loved and had a greatfamily from everything that
she's told me and she's got abeautiful family now.
But this still is an everydaythought, that is a prevalent
thought and is a fight that shefights every single day, that
(49:56):
more than one person can step upand become a part of giving her
the win that she deserves,giving her the finality that her
family and she absolutelydeserves.
(50:18):
And the problem with cold casesis usually that most of the
people involved whether it bethe witnesses or the law
enforcement officers, etc.
They've either died or they'retoo old to remember, or you know
it's been such a long time thattime has faded those memories
and made it nearly impossible to, you know, actually pinpoint a
(50:41):
person.
But that's not entirely the casehere.
There are people who remember,there are people who know and,
like I was talking about thebowlegged guy last year he
walked in to Chrissy's job andreally all you have to do is go
look at any of the comments onany of her public posts about
(51:06):
her, her dad's murder andgetting justice and asking for
help doing that from the DA andeverybody else that they're.
All you to do is look at thecomments.
People remember, people knowwho it was.
Even some of the members of lawenforcement have, or that have
retired or no longer on theforce, like have weighed in,
like yeah, they know who theyare, they have names and it's
(51:27):
just.
It's.
It's baffling to me that thatmuch information can still be
out there almost 40 years laterand nobody's doing anything
about it.
So that's why we have to makethis view, make everybody aware
of this whole case and what'sgoing on, just to get a little
stir the pot right and for what.
(51:49):
What Chrissy is asking and anddoing this episode and getting
the information out there.
Literally, all she wants is tobe heard.
She wants this to make enoughnoise that it triggers action.
So what we can do and what allof you can do, no matter where
you are, like I said, theeasiest thing.
It's so simple share this story, share it, share this episode
(52:13):
on my podcast.
She's got another like share.
Share the link to the newsarticle, share the petition.
I'll have it on my Twitter.
I'll have it on my YouTube.
I'll have it on my take talk.
Share those.
Just tell people share youchicken especially if you're in
Louisiana, especially here, ifyou're in the Munro up there, in
that area, people, you, yourvoice and all of everybody
(52:37):
else's voices, they can make adifference, even if we don't
actually solve anything or putthe cuffs on anybody.
If we make enough noise, or ifenough noise is made, maybe
Chrissy and her family willfinally get the justice they
deserve and to be able to putthis whole thing in a little
nice box and say we got you andthey get the justice that was
(52:59):
that should have been given tothem.
Closure almost 40, you know.
You know I hate the word closure, especially in this kind of
stuff, because there's neverreally a closure, it's more of a
sink, a succinct ending, justto kind of know that you did
everything that you could do,that the bright people were held
responsible and accountable forwhat happened, and then that's
(53:24):
all you can do.
So maybe if we get loud enough,the wash it all.
Parish DA's office has nochoice but to listen.
So if you have any informationregarding the case, you can
contact crime stoppers at318-88-CASH.
Chrissy has an award for athousand dollars for information
(53:47):
that leads to an arrest, andI'm gonna leave you with one
last word from Chrissy, and asyou listen to what she has to
say and what you need to takeaway from this, I hope you guys
can kind of try to put yourselfin the same situation and just
take that couple extra minutesthat they would take to help her
(54:07):
out and to try to get justicefor this family.
And with that we'll see youguys next time.
Doses.
Here's Christy.
Speaker 2 (54:15):
I'm not trying to keep anything or hide anything.
I want, I like, I'm, I needthis, just much, you know.
And I just want justice.
I want them to do it's right.
It's time, it's way past timeyou.
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