Louisiana's "Black Eye of the Gay Community" -Serial Killer- Ronald Dominique

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This particular episode contains multiple and
recurring themes of rape andsexual assault.
Further listener.
Discretion is advised.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
From 1997 to the mid-2000s, bodies of men aging
from 16 to 46 begin appearing inditches and near cane fields
and bayous in the southernLouisiana state.
They all had the same cause ofdeath they were asphyxiated by
strangulation.

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They all had similarbackgrounds, but not much else
in common.
This story today is to bringfurther attention to the
unassuming outcasts among us,because in this case, this

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killer got away with killingalmost two dozen men in nearly a
decade, being dubbedLouisiana's most gruesome serial
killer and at one point, beforehis capture, became the FBI's
most wanted serial killer at thetime.

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Come on with us as we try totread through the murkiest parts
of the bayou on today's episodeof Sin Law.
Hello and welcome to episode 26of Sin Law.

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I'm Kelly.

Speaker 1 (01:45):
And I'm Kyler.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
And we are continuing on our serial killer
extravaganza Also known as theSerial Series Because she failed
to capitalize.

Speaker 1 (01:58):
I was trying to think capitulate.

Speaker 2 (02:01):
Honestly, though, when I started I didn't think it
was going to be this many.
I really didn't like thelaundry list and I keep finding
more, and I keep finding more,and there's still some that I've
got to cut.
This we're gonna, we're gonnaskip back and we're gonna come
back to the serial killers,because I've had at least three
different suggestions that I'vealready got episodes written for

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, because, miss Lenora, you knowwho you are and I love you.
You're my true crime soulmate,but, thanks, boo, you're killing
me.
Smalls.
And then the other emailsuggestion maker, who wishes to
remain anonymous.

Speaker 1 (02:41):
Wow, that was a lot.
The other and the other,unknown.
The other ghostwriter no, no.

Speaker 2 (02:47):
I like that one Point being we're going to do one
more serial killer after thisone, because I already had that
one written.

Speaker 1 (02:54):
Don't believe a bitch .

Speaker 2 (02:55):
And then after that we're going to go jump around
because I've got.

Speaker 1 (03:00):
We still have to do our Hall of Fame series too.
Probably be like a week.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
I'm telling you we've got upwards between 75, at
least 75, up to 75 episodesright now that I could do.
Yeah, that's a lot.
Yeah, because we're on 26 now.
I have at least 50 otherkickass Shit.
We do one a week.
That's more than a year.
It's been really just as fastas I can do them.

Speaker 1 (03:28):
Today we are actually going down to Houma Spell it,
do you?

Speaker 2 (03:31):
know how to spell it.
I'm going with H-O-M-A.
Nope, it's got a U in therebecause they're dumb.
But no, honestly no, that's notthe reason.

Speaker 1 (03:35):
So yeah, but isn't it ?

Speaker 2 (03:37):
No, it's not actually the native.

Speaker 1 (03:39):
At least it's not E-A-U-X.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
The native tribe that was indigenous to the Homa area
tribe that was living there atthe time.
Homa was their word for red andtheir actual emblem for their
tribe was crawfish.
All right, I'm here for that.
Homa is the parish seat.

Speaker 1 (04:01):
H-A-N-O-C.

Speaker 2 (04:03):
For Terrebonne Parish , which is French, for.

Speaker 1 (04:09):
Good Earth, good Land , good Earth, which is funny
because good luck is bon chancehere.

Speaker 2 (04:14):
Basically Terrebonne Parish was named because it had
a lot of fertile soil, becauseit comes right off the delta of
the Mississippi.

Speaker 1 (04:19):
So it's got all that plethora of good soil, so it's a
bunch of good land for doingstuff with 2020 census.
We got some real ingenuitivenaming senses around here, I'm
telling you.
Red stick Good earth.

Speaker 2 (04:32):
Uh-huh, uh-huh.
There was 109,000, almost110,000 in the parish.
Altogether, the TerrebonneParish and this was technically,
I think, as of 2024, is thefifth largest in size.
Like it's 2,100 square miles,Terrebonne Parish, but 2,100

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square miles and only 110,000people.

Speaker 1 (04:58):
Yeah, well, you're in bioland swampland, Uh-huh,
mm-hmm exactly.
You can only if they did a, ifthey did account for gators,
though.

Speaker 2 (05:07):
Oh yeah, for sure, Population way up.

Speaker 1 (05:10):
It's about like Florida and cows.
Per capita cows are higher thanpeople.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
And, interestingly enough, terrebonne actually
accounts for about 20% of theentire seafood production of
Louisiana.
That makes a lot of sensethough Oysters, shrimps, crabs
and fish.
They wrote a lot of sensethough Oysters, shrimps, crabs
and fish and according to now,they wrote their own press
release.
But they have the finestoysters in the world and they
actually do ship their oystersall over the country and all

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over the world.

Speaker 1 (05:36):
I mean oysters, just taste like salty snot.
Anyways, gross Also gross.

Speaker 2 (05:40):
Yes, but up until the 1970s they were actually mostly
for their oil.
And then after the 1970s, kindof slipped back down.

Speaker 1 (05:50):
After we used all of it everywhere.

Speaker 2 (05:52):
More than 10% of people in the parish today
actually over 10% still speakFrench in the home, like
fluently they speak as that istheir language.

Speaker 1 (06:04):
I am curious.
French, french, creole, french,okay.

Speaker 2 (06:09):
But they're known as the Jambalaya capital of the
world or, as we say in thishouse, the Jambayaya capital of
the world.

Speaker 1 (06:16):
Some of us, some of us just eat it.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
Right.
So listen to this.
Houma is known for theirthriving music and art scene, as
is every other southernLouisiana anything.
They're known for theirfriendly, warm, vibrant
community like really helpful,really friendly.

Speaker 1 (06:39):
But they're also known for their swamp tours and
they are the top, one of the topdestinations for bird watching
okay, I was trying to figure outwhy you would want to go on a
swamp tour, and I mean, swampsare pretty, they can just where
we're going today is going to bein the bayou blue area of palma
in tarragon, parish, and thisactually um the bayou blue area

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technically goes all the wayacross Iberville, laforge,
jefferson, like all our dumpingarea actually stretches across
six different parishes.

Speaker 2 (07:15):
So it wasn't like he did go and repeat kind of in the
same spot within a couplehundred feet or so of each other
, but he would vary it aboutlike Derek Todd Lee did, where
he would jump back and forth todifferent spots to put the body.

Speaker 1 (07:31):
It's our Bayou Body Belt, because we don't have a
Bible Belt.

Speaker 2 (07:34):
I'm not doing that.
Ronald Dominique was born inThibodeau.
He was born January 9th of 64.

Speaker 1 (07:44):
His favorite restaurant is Quibido.

Speaker 2 (07:48):
Probably not.

Speaker 1 (07:48):
And he said go tiger, no, no, no, no, you're welcome
Weezy, None of that.

Speaker 2 (07:55):
I'm gonna leave it in just for her though.
He was born into a low-incomefamily.
They were very poor.
But again, when you talk aboutbeing poor, maybe don't have
eight kids, I mean trade up thetime of having like eight to
fourteen kids and just havingmaybe half.

Speaker 1 (08:12):
Of them survive.

Speaker 2 (08:14):
Also down here because, especially if you're
fishing or if you're using yourkids' labor Right and I believe
the closest one in relation tohim was a sister, but he may
have been the youngest.
I'm not entirely sure.
I can get a whole lot offurther information other than
he had a close sister, but shewas older.
Of the two.
Of the last two, as I read itwere his older sister and him

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probably not the youngest.

Speaker 1 (08:38):
I don't see the youngest really becoming a
serial killer like him.

Speaker 2 (08:42):
Let me explain because I do know he had other
sisters and brothers.
Because of the way reallybecoming a serial killer like
ever.
Let me explain Because I doknow he had other sisters and
brothers.
Because of the way I waswatching, I believe that one was
First Blood Again.
Thank you, jester, I like howhe actually referred me to that
for the other case, and then Isaw that it actually had an

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episode on Dominique as well.
So I was like oh, cool, cool,cool, cool, externally awesome.
I know he had older brothersand sisters, because it was
noted in this episode that hewas always a little bit
different.
He always preferred to go withthe girls instead of going and
working with the boys.

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He preferred to go do whateverthe girls were doing instead of
going and doing what the boyswere doing.
He kind of got made fun of forthat and it turns out that he
was very much gay, very muchalso follows a whole lot right.
so already he's not, um, themost popular, okay.
So he hangs out with hissisters a lot.

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He's kind of girly effeminate,as it were, and he's in Glee
Club and Chorus and obviouslyhe's going to be bullied, right.
That's kind of setting thewhole stage for all of this.

Speaker 1 (10:01):
While I'm aware that this is a time period piece and
I just have a problem withobviously he's going to be
bullied.
Well, I mean because I wasgetting to the extra part where
he was overweight.

Speaker 2 (10:13):
He was awkward.
He didn't know how to interactwell with his peers.

Speaker 1 (10:19):
I'm getting to the extra part where there should
never be an.
Obviously he was going to bebullied.

Speaker 2 (10:23):
Well, I mean because kids are assholes.
But yes, I agree with you love100% of the time.

Speaker 1 (10:26):
I got you and I know you do.
I just Shitty, it's shitty.
I don't like people.

Speaker 2 (10:32):
Which is fine, it works out well.
You got one on your side, honey, woohoo, woohoo.
So everybody that during thosetimes he never actually admitted
to being gay.
He was bullied a lot for it,but he never came out.
He never actually came outuntil much later in his adult
life.
Now, everybody who knew himthen, though, said he was

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practically harmless, that theyhad all the doubts.
They're just, you know, blownaway when his arrest happened,
because they never would haveguessed at the time that he was
going to be responsible forsomething such as this.
Now, in his older life, he neverreally found a place that he

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could fit in.
Well, he didn't fit in with, Iwant to say, the straight side
of his life, and he would also,later on in his adult years, he
would dress in drag and he wouldperform as Patti LaBelle at the
local gay clubs, but he neverreally got along with people in

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that group either.
So he was kind of a misfit intugging in between, you know,
finding out who he actually was,and he didn't sit well in
either side.
Now, that was all the way upuntil he found alliance club,
which was full of older, elderlypeople.
Um, he would go up there and hewould call the bingo numbers
for him, and he kind of feltlike he belonged, like everybody

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up there liked him, theythought he was a nice guy, they
got along with him, well, noissues.
But then you have this wholeother side, where he gets
dressed up as Patti LaBelle andjust horrible impersonations and
sings at the local gay club,and again, the people that they
interviewed, like on theepisodes of things that I
watched, because there aremultitudinous episodes, whether

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it be podcasts, whether it bethe ID series they've got First
Blood, you've got, I believethey've got a forensic files on
them, I mean the gamut.
So there is no trouble findingthese things that I'm talking
about, but I'll also have thatlinked in the show notes.
So my point, though, is that Averitable smorgasbord.

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Right, right.
Yeah, there was no lack ofwealth of information.

Speaker 1 (12:47):
An interesting way to put that.
I like it.

Speaker 2 (12:50):
I'm not mad at it, it's new.
Most of his adult life, though,like I said, it was marked with
not really having a place inthe world.
He didn't fit in with the gaycrowd, he didn't fit in with the
straight people, he kind of fitin with the elderly people, but
that's just because he wentalong to go along Like he.
For the most part, you know, helived with his mom or his

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family, his sister, like he wasin and out of their homes or
living off of their lands in atrailer or what have you.
He had multiple differentmedical problems.
According to him.
He didn't really have any kindof goal in life like his, his he

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initially, as as a kid he didpretty well, like not exemplary
in school or anything, but hedidn't do terrible.
Um, I believe he ended uptrying to go and do some kind of
military thing but didn't makeit sure got a hell of a lot
accomplished in his life for nothaving a particular goal oh
yeah, well, we'll get there.
And his actual criminal historywasn't all that like yeah, it

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wasn't lengthy in in terms ofyou know, with sexual violent
crimes.
The only one in his entirecriminal history that even
showed any kind of you knowsimilarity obviously was the
most heinous thing that he hadin his criminal history, which
was a forcible rape charge.
However, that was just a charge.

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He was never convicted and henever pled.
Pay attention to these dates.
All right, you asked thequestion.
Are you listening?
Pay?

Speaker 1 (14:30):
attention to the dates.
That's sort of it now.

Speaker 2 (14:31):
Okay, so up until 96.
Okay, okay, he hadn't hadanything greater than I think he
paid fines for harassment, acouple of DWIs disturbing the
peace All of those were justfine paid, or a couple nights in
jail.

Speaker 1 (14:48):
Pardon me, I think it's still parking in the wrong
spot while stalking.

Speaker 2 (14:51):
Yeah, those ones, what?
And never more than just like aslap on the wrist, because it
wasn't really anything crazy.
However, august 25th of 1996,he was arrested for forcible
rape.
Apparently for this chargespecifically, he was arrested
and there was a hundred ahundred thousand dollar bond set
because the victim in this casehappened to escape out of a

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window of his trailer that hewas living in in tibeto at the
time, screaming, half-dressed,running through the trailer park
, screaming that dominique hadtried to kill him.
He had like one handcuffhanging off of one arm or one
some kind of restraint off ofone arm.
That's how they found thevictim, which immediately
pointed back to the trailer,which is where Dominique was,

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and they arrested him.
$100,000 bond.
My point is he got out at theend of 96.

Speaker 1 (15:44):
And then he got in.

Speaker 2 (15:46):
Until his arrest almost a decade later.
He didn't do his eye, apologies.
Almost a decade later he neverhits radar again.
He never gets arrested for dwi.
He never gets a disturbing thepeace.
Now the only one that I do know.
Oh, I'm sorry, I apologize.
He had one other, maybe twoother interactions, but the one

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that actually stood out was theone where he went to a mardi
Gras parade.
Oh, I forget which parish thatwas, either way down there in
the south, I mean, like theentire state, by the governor
mandate we get Mardi Gras off asa state.
It's a state holiday.
Anyway, I couldn't begin toguess which parish he was in at

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this time, but one of the biggerparades is what I'd be guessing
.
I would guess Natchitoches, butI don't know to guess, couldn't
begin to guess which pair shewas in at this time Girl
Louisiana.
But one of the bigger paradesis what I'd be guessing.
I would guess Natchitoches, butI don't know for sure.
So apparently at this parade hehad allegedly slapped a lady
because she had left a strollerher baby stroller in the parking
lot that he thought a baby wasin.
Good for him.
So he was yelling and gettingbelligerent with her and smack

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her a little bit, but that onehe actually got the parish
offender or offender deferredprogram and he was actually done
with that by october and thatwas uh in february.

Speaker 1 (17:05):
We've been done with that by dinner right I thought
there was a baby in that.

Speaker 2 (17:08):
I played right so, and that was in um february 2002
.
The only other one was a littlebit two years before then he
played Guilty to Disturbing thePeace and he paid a fine and it
was a misdemeanor that blippedBarely a blip, that's my
personal judgment on that, butit kind of worked with.
The way that it worked withDominique was when he got worked

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up and he got on his soapbox.
He didn't get off of it, itjust snowballed into him,
continuing to progressively getmore aggressive and worse.
So, other than a couple oflittle touch-ups, we have a
rabbit trailing.
Because that one, I believe, wasjust.
I think he that one technicallywasn't domestic, so it probably

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was just a battery key um, Idon't, that one technically
wasn't domestic, so it probablywas just a battery paid the fine
for the disturbing the peace inthe 2000 may 2000 and then he
had the mardi gras thing.
That was in 2002, but he wasdone with that off of the uh
offender program, parishoffender program in october and
then he was not heard from bythe police until 2006.

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So let's get into that, shallwe?
However, we gotta go backbecause his murder spree did not
actually start in 2000.
It didn't start in 2002.
It didn't start in 1999 or 98.
It actually started almostimmediately after he was

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released from prison.
And at this point he has madeup his mind that he does not
want to go back.

Speaker 1 (18:41):
He encountered some things.

Speaker 2 (18:44):
What do you think he does about that sir?

Speaker 1 (18:47):
Pass the buck.

Speaker 2 (18:49):
Okay.
So I mean, obviously he stillwants to have sex with these men
.
Because that was the motive forthe first one, where the guy
crawled out the window and saidhe was trying to kill me.
He was in the act of trying tosexually assault him at the same
time.
The guy just got loose andcrawled out the bathroom window.
So the possibility of having awitness to be able to testify to

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send him back to jail.
Because he realized now, nowitness, no jail, because that's
why they let him out, right,his witness didn't show up.
It's a horrible realization tohave.

Speaker 1 (19:18):
It's also a really good realization to have.

Speaker 2 (19:20):
Right?
Well, in this case it's reallybad.

Speaker 1 (19:22):
You know, I mean like it's always really bad, it's
just a really smart one.

Speaker 2 (19:37):
So the victim to testify in his court case.

Speaker 1 (19:38):
He was released from prison and they did nothing.
There was nothing that happenedbecause that victim did not
appear.

Speaker 2 (19:40):
So what does that tell him?
Okay, well, just nobody, novoice, no crime.
Pretty much.
If that's your only evidence tosay against him, saying I
didn't do anything, then youhave nothing.
In july of 1997 you're welcomeis when dominique's first
confirmed victim was actuallymurdered.
He was a 19-year-oldAfrican-American male named
David LeVron Mitchell LeVron.

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Levron E-L-E-V-R-O-N.
Levron.

Speaker 1 (20:06):
That wasn't how I was expecting that to be spelled in
Louisiana, but I like that one.

Speaker 2 (20:10):
He was not similar to most of the victims of
Dominique and we'll get to thathere in a minute but he was
hitchhiking, which was notoutside of the norm.
Still in the late 90s it wasstill a thing.
But he was by himself and hewas on his way back from his

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grandma's house after he went toa friend or a relative's
birthday party.
His body was found two days.
That's super sad, it is.

Speaker 1 (20:38):
Relative's birthday party and you had to hitchhike
your way home.

Speaker 2 (20:41):
No traces of physical trauma, no drugs, no alcohol,
no other cause other than thelungs having the ditch water in
them.
So I don't think that's That'lldo it.
Initially, his death was ruledas an accidental drowning.
But wait, his dad was likey'all got him fucked up because,
like he was an excellentswimmer, there was no way he

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would have drowned in the ditchwith the water level being that
low.
And if that's the case, why didhe have his pants down by his
ankles?
His body was found in the ditchface down, with his trousers
and underwear around his ankles.

Speaker 1 (21:16):
And the only thing I can think of other than being
forcefully unalived is drunkdrunk but there was no alcohol.

Speaker 2 (21:24):
The autopsy confirmed that.
So somebody dropped a big assball and you know a lot of a lot
of people want to say that um,because the majority and I say
the majority, it was like of allof the victims, all but maybe
three or four were actuallyAfrican-Americans.
Now everybody wanted to say itwas racially motivated.
That I don't think was the case.

Speaker 1 (21:45):
I kind of feel like it might be regionally motivated
.
That one absolutely, becausethat's a lot of black people.

Speaker 2 (21:50):
He was very much so an opportunistic.
Call him as I see him, exceptpick him up where I can get him.
That's all it came down to.
I don't think it had anythingto do with race at all.
I sees it, I gets it, I goes on,because I think that comes into
play as well when you talkabout the ages, because
generally, if somebody has atype or a preset idea of what

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they're trying to get to do,right, they have a type, they
have a modus operandi.
His type was available, yes,available alone if they were
breathing, but in his case, noteven he didn't care, but anyway
he was looking for someone alone.

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He was looking for someonehitchhiking, desperate, either
on drugs or wanted drugs orwould take money to be able to
go get drugs.
There was a lot of things thathe all of those were inside of
his wheelhouse, yes, but whatcolor you were, how old you were
, he didn't care, because all ofthose were just a mix that made
him more vulnerable and moreavailable and more easily swayed

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to his purposes.
Unsure if he got his actual lustsated at that point, because it
was right after it was hisfirst one.
It was his first one, butgenerally there's a cooling off
period that is longer.
It was only six months laterthat he killed his next victim.
They've done all of theresearch and everything that

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they've done and you can see inhis he's kind of got a pattern
of you know, he'll get one andthen he'll take a break.
He'll get one and he'll take abreak and then it snowballs
towards the end right before hegets arrested.
But, as they usually do that,yes, absolutely, because it it
does become harder to quench, itdoes become harder to quell
that urge, it does become more.
They need to do it more andmore frequently because you, you

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keep feeding the beast and theyget, they keep you know coming
back, in this case apparently abunny apparently so.
The second murder, it was alsoin saint charles, parish.
It was in december of 97.
He strangled gary pierre, andnot much of what I found about a

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lot of these victims actually,and that was a really sad part
of this case the um sheer amountand and the high number of
victims in this case leads tothem being under sold as as
actual human beings, and I willhave links to every article that
I could find specifically inregards to these people as
people.
I have those saved as part ofmy notes.

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It would be really difficult forme to have any kind of episode
within any kind of time limitthat would be feasible for you
guys if I was to do that, but Ido want to make sure that
everyone is aware that I havethose resources available.
Please, if you have a minute,if you're sitting on a toilet
not doing anything else, just golook and see.
These people were actual humans.
They had lives.

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They had people that loved themand miss them dearly.
So don't just take it as a nameand a drug user or somebody who
was in the wrong place at thewrong time, doing whatever they
could to get by, while that maybe true that's not all of them.
The best way to say that is thatthat's not the only thing that
they were.

Speaker 1 (25:03):
They weren't just a victim and they weren't just a
drug user or whatever To thepolice at the time because they
were trying to find a pattern.
But other than that, thatshould not even be a.

Speaker 2 (25:11):
They found Gary's body.
He was fully clothed, he had nosigns of physical trauma and
there were no drugs found in hissystem.
Now, it didn't Didn't say thathe didn't have any alcohol, but
it did say he had no drugs.

Speaker 1 (25:27):
I'm just saying this is how I lose it Anytime around
Mardi Gras season, like alcohol,I kind of suspect it.

Speaker 2 (25:32):
I still think he was getting his feelers his wits
about him.
Don't call the feelers Thankyou, because they do make a
point in all of the researchthat I did.
They say most of the victimswere sexually assaulted and or
raped, Because in a few, likeGary Pierre, because he was

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found fully clothed and becausethere were no physical signs of
trauma and no DNA or nootherwise telltale signs of some
kind of assault, they can'tjust assume that he was.
That was the preliminary andthe primary focus of all of this
.

Speaker 1 (26:11):
And I hate to bring the drug thing back up just as
soon as we got off it, butespecially with those that had a
tendency or a proclivity, Iwould say that it was probably
more likely that there wasconsensual sex Likely, yeah, and
still dead.

Speaker 2 (26:27):
Well see, this is where it gets interesting.
So when we get towards the endof the story, you'll understand
why I'm making faces over hereat you, because like this one
gets, this one gets.
I don't understand.
It makes less and less sense,so much less Okay so Okay.
That one was at the end of 97,in December.

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The next one came in July, sohe skipped six months and then
he again came back six monthslater.
Came in July, so he skipped sixmonths and then he again came
back six months later.
This one was in July, at thevery end of July, so right
before August of 98.
He murdered 38-year-old LarryRanson.

Speaker 1 (27:05):
That's a bit different.

Speaker 2 (27:06):
And he was very much a vagrant.
He was very much known for hisdrug addiction, drug affliction,
and this was technically thefirst victim that was found and
later proven to be a victim ofDominique that was subjected to

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bondage October of 98, so wewent from end of July, july 31st
, to beginning of october.
Dominique met 27 year oldoliver labanks in metairie.
So now we're seeing, we'restill jumping all over the place
here, he's staying in thesouthern part but he's still
he's going from different areas.
Like I said, dominique met himuh, oliver, in october of 98 in

(27:50):
metairie and after Dominique gotarrested he claimed that Oliver
had offered him sexual favorsin exchange for money and he did
end up having sex with him butagain, for whatever reason, he
assumed that he had to get ridof him.

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So he beat him and strangledhim and then disposed of his
body on the outskirts ofmetairie where it was found on
october 4th.
Well, the good part I saidthere's not any good part to
this, but the the positive thatcame out of this situation, in
this one specifically, was thatwhen they found oliver's they

(28:33):
did find traces of semen atautopsy.
They didn't have a person tohook it up to at that point in
898.

Speaker 1 (28:41):
You're right, it does sound horrible.

Speaker 2 (28:42):
But woohoo, but they did have that.
So they kept that, put it up inthe fridge and said, hey, we're
going to hang on to that,Laying the foundation.
Relatives and family members andfriends of Oliver LeBanc
confirmed that he had onlyrecently resorted to leading a
vagrant lifestyle after he hadbeen fired from his job for

(29:03):
using drugs.
So he was obviously in thestrongest throes of addiction at
this point and was willing todo things that he normally
wouldn't have, and he was justin a really, really bad spot.
The first sign of any kind ofbondage was in july of 98.
Oliver labanks, transient druguser, still loved and missed by

(29:29):
family.
Um, he turns up not to use astheir descriptive.

Speaker 1 (29:35):
He turns up.

Speaker 2 (29:36):
He was found October 4th of 1998.
He was 27 years old and he hadDNA present.
So Right, no, we're woohooingbecause we're just glad they
have something.
So eventually, when they dohave the suspect, they can test
the dna and, you know, go fromthere.

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So also in october of 98,dominique met the youngest
victim that he would take, thelife of 16 year old joseph brown
.
16-year-old, joseph Brown metRonald Dominique in Kenner,
louisiana, and, according toDominique in one of his many

(30:19):
confessions, he lured him to thetruck and said he would sell
him some crack cocaine.
He actually did have crackcocaine.
They both used some in thevehicle together and then
Dominique beat him several timesover the head with a blunt
object and strangled him with aplastic bag.
Greg is wack y'all Again unsureabout the sexual assault or

(30:48):
rape aspect of that.
The resources that I pulled up.
They said that it was likely apost-mortem, which meant necro.
So unsure.

Speaker 1 (31:00):
He didn't confess to that.

Speaker 2 (31:04):
And then, right at a month later, dominic again did
the exact same ruse, you know,saw him on the side of the road.
That was his stick, that washis thing.
He would cruise around lookingfor men or younger men, whatever
, just alone men, on the side ofthe road in areas that he knew

(31:27):
were well trafficked by thesespecific types or groups of
people, and would offer them thecrack, cocaine or whatever drug
, of toys, or offer them moneyfor whatever he even had, this
ruse get this if they turneddown the gay side of a sexual
encounter, he said he would showthem a picture of his wife that

(31:50):
was just shy and he would sayhey
come back to my house with mywife.
She wants to have sex with arandom guy.
We'll pay you, um, but she'sshy and she doesn't want to come
and do this part of it.
When they get back to the house, you know what he'd say she's
real shy and she's worried aboutbeing overpowered, so you have

(32:10):
to be restrained before she'llcome out.
That's actually pretty fuckingsmart.
So once you get restrained,I'll let her know she'll come in
, she'll do the dirty and thenyou'll get the money and you can
go.
Or you'll get the drugs and youcan go.

Speaker 1 (32:20):
Once he had them in handcuffs, they were his yeah, I
mean like that that takes aspecial kind of uh um, trusting
and willing person, or just real, real desperate, but uh, but
that's pretty damn smart, right.

Speaker 2 (32:44):
So that's where he picked up the 16-year-old in
Kenner and then the 18-year-oldBruce Williams basically had the
same thing happen to himoffered drugs, got into the
truck, beat him, strangled him,threw him out, and so, in 99,
may, he was cruising aroundKenner.
Like I said, that's what he did.

(33:05):
That became his entire way ofluring, fishing, baiting however
you want to put it.

Speaker 1 (33:11):
He was a Kenner boy now.

Speaker 2 (33:13):
So he came across 21-year-old Manuel Reed who
offered to sell him drugs.
So Dominique said sure, I'llbuy some drugs off of you.
And he let him jump into histruck where he proceeded to rape
, then strangle him.

Speaker 1 (33:29):
That seems like a bad plan.

Speaker 2 (33:31):
He later tried to dump the body in a dumpster
about a mile from where18-year-old or, I'm sorry,
16-year-old Joseph Brown's bodywas found.

Speaker 1 (33:44):
That seems like a really bad plan.

Speaker 2 (33:47):
Yeah, it was in an industrial zone.
I don't care, don't shit whereyou eat.
However, again in this case, aswell as oliver labanks, manual
reed was found at autopsy tohave traces of semen belong to
an unknown male.

(34:07):
Now, at this point they stillhadn't tied the two unknown
males together, but now there'stwo of them.
But now they have dna from twoseparate crime scenes, two
separate bodies, two separatevictims.
Now, about a month later so thatwould have been around june in
1999 real quick rebounds againdominique now yep, he killed 21
year old angel mejia, who theyand this isn't, these are not my

(34:28):
words, these are the words thatI got from sources was a hobo
with past convictions for drugpossession.
Now I kind of misspoke.
I've known a couple of them andthey're pretty good people
usually Right right.
I kind of misspoke on the lastone, because I said he tried to
dump his body, the body ofManuel Reed.

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He succeeded in dumping ManuelReed's body in a dumpster In
Mejia's case, a dumpster in thehe is case.
In angel's case he tried, but,after, you know, not really
being able to succeed, umbecause body too big.
Well, no, it just said that hetried to dump him in the

(35:10):
dumpster but he discovered itwas full, which it had to have
been slam-packed full for himnot to be able to even get it in
there.
His bodies are pretty big.
He just left it on the street.
Isn't that pretty awkward?

Speaker 1 (35:19):
So at that autopsy for.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
Angel Mejia.
At autopsy they discovered thator the coroner concluded that
the victim had been tied up withrope prior to his death but was
not found with rope on his body.
So obviously the killer isusing tools and then taking them
or keeping them with him.
So he has a little bit ofknowledge there of crime scene
stuff while they were doingthese investigations and you

(35:43):
have to remember these are beingum found in different places.
So one was in st charles,parish, one was over in metairie
, now this is in kenner, andthese are all in like different
areas, all in the southernlouisiana's part.
But if you're not from here,look those up it's metairie,
kenner, and then the one is justsaint charles place or parish,
but they're all down from here.

Speaker 1 (36:03):
You're gonna need to spell metairie m-e-t-a-i-r-i-e,
yeah I never would have gottenthat okay, metairie that, yeah,
maybe, but so but that soundslike the investigators that were
.

Speaker 2 (36:16):
They were looking in these, these bodies that were
keep popping up all over thesouthern stretch of louisiana
here.
They realize that and actuallydo establish a firm connection
between mejia, mejia Brown, the16-year-old, and Pierre.
They all lived in close, likedoors, apart from each other, so

(36:40):
they thought there was aconnection there and they
actually had in mind one of thenext victims.

Speaker 1 (36:46):
That just happened to be the street that he was
driving through, exactly because, like I, said, he pinpointed
the area of where these peoplewere known to be centralized.

Speaker 2 (36:57):
And then again, in late August of 1999, dominique
met 34-year-old drug addictMitchell Johnson offering him
drugs in exchange for sexualfavors.
He took Johnson Mitchell out tothe forest outside of Metairie
where he was bound, raped andstrangled.
Today his fully nude scenery,fully nude body was discovered

(37:21):
on september 1st 1999.
So I don't know.
I I would say that they didn'tsay that he accidentally drowned
in the ditch.
I would guess that that's notwhat they put on his cause of
death.
I'm not sure, though it didn'tgive me a whole lot of details,
but but I'm assuming at thispoint they realized that all of
these guys that are being foundhaving been or still were bound
nude, partially nude or fullynude, sexually assaulted and

(37:44):
then just kind of left, dumpedsomewhere off in the middle of
nowhere, in the same generalarea.
I'm not saying it's real closetogether, but close enough for
it to be a thing.
All of them, they all got thesame cause of death for the most
part, I woke up.
I didn't have no plan,strangled, asphyxiated, beat
over the head.

Speaker 1 (38:06):
Most of them sexually assaulted.

Speaker 2 (38:09):
At this point I guess they're finally getting their
heads together.
I'm not knocking lawenforcement guys, don't come at
me.
My point is there were so manythings that could have been done
better.
So in January of 2000, andremember this is one of the
times and I say it wasn't inJanuary, it was actually in May

(38:29):
of 2000, was another blip on theradar for Dominique, but it was
just a disturbing piece.
So there's no telling what thatactually was, but it had
nothing to do with the34-year-old that he murdered in
September or the January 2000victim, the 23-year-old Michael
Vincent in La Force.

Speaker 1 (38:50):
What kind of thing, never did figure out what he
wanted to do or how to doanything, no, and I think that
had a lot to do with the factthat you know and I don't want
to blame this on anybody who hasmore than one or two, three
children.

Speaker 2 (39:01):
But you can put into a group of eight kids that are
close enough in age.
You get kind of pushed to theside, you get forgotten, you get
grouped in or locked in withall the others.
You don't really get to makeyour own or create your own
identity unless you are thatstrong of a personality and he
just wasn't.
Yeah.
I know you form a pack.

Speaker 1 (39:19):
You form a pack, but you get left out.

Speaker 2 (39:20):
Right and he found whatever comfort that he found
in that and rolled with it andit was okay with just
maintaining, I guess.
So in January of 2000, he tookthe life of another victim,
which would have been23-year-old Michael Vincent in
LaForche Parish.
In early October he actuallybecame really closely associated

(39:46):
with a 20-year-old, KennethRandolph Jr.

Speaker 1 (39:50):
This guy Because I hate because I hate.

Speaker 2 (39:55):
I hate Kenneth Randolph throwing any kind of
mud onto anybody who has been avictim of a homicide.
However, sometimes karma comesaround.
I'm not saying that this wasthe case here.
Anyway, I'm going to throw ithere, and you know, anyway, I'm
gonna, I'm gonna throw it hereand I'm gonna say what I say.
Uh, and in our sidebar, umgolden rule real important 20

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year old kenneth randolph jr wasa thrice prosecuted and
convicted child molester.
Oh, who lived in the same.
They get what they get, whatevercomes to them, in whatever form
they get it yeah, so dominiqueactually lured Randolph to his
trailer by saying that there wasa young girl there that wanted

(40:39):
to meet him and have you know,interactions with him.

Speaker 1 (40:42):
I'm sorry to the family of him.
He deserved to die.

Speaker 2 (40:45):
And when he got back to the trailer, he attacked and
raped him and then strangled himand then took his body to a
field outside the city where hewas left partially nude and his
remains were found on october6th that feels like hella just
desserts of 2000.
That's why I said sometimeskarma comes around, sometimes it

(41:06):
bites you and sometimes it getsback to you.
Um, it may not be as quickly assome people would have hoped,
but um, I don't know, Like Isaid, I hate throwing any kind
of mud on anybody, but when youare prosecuted three times as a
child we don't fuck with cats,we don't fuck with old people,

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we don't fuck with kids it'sjust not okay.

Speaker 1 (41:31):
And for any victims or families of victims of that.
If they didn't die and theywent to jail, it's worse for
them.
I promise you Find some solacein that.
Right For sure, I promise you,so Don't nobody like them.

Speaker 2 (41:47):
That was at the end of October, sorry Of October.
That was at the end of 2000,straight up, right 2000?

Speaker 1 (41:58):
I don't know.
I was trying to pay attention,but there was a lot we were
doing month by month, by month,right?

Speaker 2 (42:04):
right January 2000.
January 97.
97 is where we started, becausehe got out of jail in November
of 96.

Speaker 1 (42:11):
We started the month by month.

Speaker 2 (42:14):
We haven't really gone month by month yet.
The last four have been thenext month Regardless.
January 2000 is when he killed23-year-old Michael Vincent, who
was Found in the field.
He was not the child molester.
Kenneth Randolph Jr was a30-time prosecuted child

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molester who lived in thetrailer park near Dominique and
was mentioned in close proximity, right.
So his body was found on October6th and this was in 2000, now
From January.
When they found that body inOctober they didn't have any
other interactions body found,anything like that, until

(42:59):
October 2002.
Huh, so it was over a year,over two years, because it was
actually in January that hekilled Randolph Jr the molester.
They didn't find his body untilOctober, but he was killed in
January, so he was over twoyears before he killed anybody

(43:19):
else, so October 12th of 2002.

Speaker 1 (43:23):
They found him in the field outside of town.
Yeah, okay, it wasn't in apublic noticeable traffic spot.

Speaker 2 (43:30):
Everything he did was under shade of darkness and
under cloak.
He did, but he left the body infront of a dumpster.

Speaker 1 (43:33):
Everything he did was under shade of darkness and
under cloak.
He did, but he left the body infront of a dumpster.
Because he meant to do so In anindustrial area.

Speaker 2 (43:38):
Anyway, in October, on October 12th of 2002, in the
late evening, dominique met26-year-old Anoka Jones, a
financially strained pettycriminal, on the streets in
Houma.
Sorry, I was just getting.

Speaker 1 (43:52):
That's a really cool name.

Speaker 2 (43:53):
It is I like that Anoka and he attacked Jones on
the street and tied him up,raped him, strangled him and
then Like straight up on thestreet.

Speaker 1 (44:04):
Yeah, well, he pulled him from the street to the
vehicle.
Yeah, no, I understand, not onthe street, but like didn't go
anywhere for that.
Yeah, didn't go anywhere forthat.
Yeah, that's some balls.

Speaker 2 (44:11):
Yeah, so he later dumped Jones's body under a
highway overpass, where it wasdiscovered several hours later.

Speaker 1 (44:22):
So this is probably one of the freshest bodies that
they've come across as of yet.
Yeah, it went from, you know,january to October to a couple
of hours.
Right, that's a big difference.
Yeah, so Good job, guys.
You found one out in the open,woo-hoo.

Speaker 2 (44:32):
Within those same few months there, at the end of
2002, Dominique and his sisterhad actually moved to the rural,
unincorporated community ofBayou Blue, which was that bayou
area that I spoke about at thevery beginning of the episode.
There he was actually given ajob as a specialist who checked
electricity levels at the localpower supply.

Speaker 1 (44:52):
So he Just for clarification unincorporated
community how little does thathave to be population size?

Speaker 2 (44:59):
Well, because it's about like saying, down there,
by the camp where Leanne's at,they call that the camp.
Yeah, that's basically whatthey're saying, in the same way
that they're saying this isBayou Blue area, that's the camp
area.

Speaker 1 (45:15):
I figured this was a much larger area.

Speaker 2 (45:16):
Everybody in the town knew what it was, but it was
not a.

Speaker 1 (45:19):
Okay, gotcha.
Okay, I just know thatLouisiana also has
unincorporated communities whichare a state-recognized thing as
well.
Yeah, I know, I thought thatwas not this time.
Okay, so so we're gonna callthis a sector or a district of
the town, or like.
It's a rural area, it's an areain town that y'all know what it

(45:40):
is.

Speaker 2 (45:40):
It's off and about that's it, that's all you need
to know I got you.

Speaker 1 (45:43):
So, you keep on calling it Bayou Blue, like it's
some like state.
Well, because Bayou Blue?

Speaker 2 (45:48):
Because Bayou Blue is a large area.
This, what they're talkingabout right now, is the
community that was sittingoutside of the town, known as
the Bayou Blue community.
Gotcha, okay, alright.
So Much more clear, thank you,the job that he got and was
employed to do in the localpower supplies in the different
areas.

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It allowed him a lot of freetime to travel and it was going
in between these parishes whichallowed access to all of these
different areas where he wasdumping all of these bodies.
So around this same time, inlate 2002, dominique killed
19-year-old Detrell Woods,dumping both him and a bicycle,
in the reed fields near one ofthe power supplies If he was not

(46:31):
an actual kid.

Speaker 1 (46:34):
it's just a little bit more sad when they dump a
bike in a person.

Speaker 2 (46:35):
Now, his body wasn't found until May 24th of 2003.
So he went over six and sevenmonths Now.
It was, you know, Decembermonths until spring, but I mean,
like you can only imagine, theybarely.

Speaker 1 (46:48):
There's a difference in an overpass and a by.

Speaker 2 (46:50):
Well, it was a partially naked body, but they
found just pieces.
They didn't find much ofanything.

Speaker 1 (46:55):
Well, again, it's often the bye, Like that's to be
expected, Right, right, soagain he takes this big leap of
time here.

Speaker 2 (47:06):
So that was in late 2002 that he killed 19-year-old
Detrell Woods, dumped him.
He wasn't found until May of2003, but it wasn't until
October what is it about Octoberfor him?
October of 04, that he lured46-year-old Larry.
Matthews to his house with apromise of drugs.

(47:27):
So, 46 years old, I think.
This is the eldest victim hehad.
He was lured to his house withthe promise of drugs, but
Matthews lost consciousness dueto an overdose.
But Dominique raped him andstrangled him anyway.

Speaker 1 (47:42):
Also shitty.
At least the promise wasn't anempty promise.

Speaker 2 (47:47):
And yeah, I guess.
And so after that was all done,since he was already
unconscious, he, just like Isaid, took advantage, strangled
and then dumped him about 20miles away from his house.

Speaker 1 (48:00):
Oh, then he counts as taking advantage.

Speaker 2 (48:02):
Nobody even reported.

Speaker 1 (48:04):
What's the advantage?

Speaker 2 (48:06):
Nobody reported Larry Matthews missing or gone since
he was homeless.
Matthew's missing or gone sincehe was homeless.
He was later identified and hisidentity had to be established
via fingerprints and they had noone to make contact with to let

(48:30):
them know that they had hisbody.
So he was eventually put to aproper scrape.
That fucking sucks, but this isall going to Dominique's angle.

Speaker 1 (48:40):
These are the people that he was looking and
searching and hunting for itjust hurts to have somebody die
and not have a damn body thatcared or that knew and cared
that knew that they cared.
So this is that knew and caredthat they knew that they cared.

Speaker 2 (48:54):
So this is when it gets spicy.
It just sucks Dominique's.
This is when Mm-hmm.
And Dominique's next victimwould be 21-year-old Michael
Barnett, whose body was foundOctober 24th of 2004.
So he bam-bammed these two Ihate to say it like that, let's
not say that again and itprobably had to do with the fact
that, because he wasunconscious, it didn't give him

(49:15):
the same kind of release,because it was no resistance
that's a you can't controlsomeone who is already PTFO'd.

Speaker 1 (49:26):
I mean that doesn't give you it's a very different,
not MO, but that's not what hewas looking for.
That doesn't give you Well,yeah, no, it's a very different,
not MO, but that's not what hewas looking for.

Speaker 2 (49:37):
No, that's not the interaction he wanted.

Speaker 1 (49:40):
Yeah, I didn't do much for him.
It didn't help.

Speaker 2 (49:42):
I don't think anything helped, but you sure
you didn't give me any cheese,baby, what Cheese?
No, I didn't.
Okay, thank you, I love you.
I kept looking, thinking youwas going to hand me one.

Speaker 1 (49:56):
No, I gave you the one earlier, yeah, but it had
hair all in it.

Speaker 2 (49:58):
Got it.
It had been dropped, I guess.
Which one do you want?
I don't care about me.
I think there's only Gouda left, but I'm good with both.
That's why I got both.

Speaker 1 (50:05):
Okay, yeah, no, I think Kiss food is the only one
I was in there looking at,anyways.

Speaker 2 (50:11):
So he back-to-backed those two.
She's delicious Body was foundof Michael Barnett the
21-year-old.
He was the first Caucasianvictim.

Speaker 1 (50:21):
Really, yes, kenneth Richmond Jr wasn't Yep.
White as an angel Yep.

Speaker 2 (50:27):
Yep, not at all, so he was the very first one.

Speaker 1 (50:30):
If he had been the third instead of a junior, I
would have said he was justwrong.

Speaker 2 (50:34):
Right, can you switch me on the third so?
he was the first one that waswhite and, like I said, he
backed back these two.
So it was October of 2004 thathe killed Larry and then he
killed Michael within a couplemonths after that.
Or within a couple days, I'msorry, because it was October.
That's a real quick Right.
It was October early that.

(50:58):
Or within a couple days, I'msorry, because it was october,
that's a real, real right.
It was october early.
And then it was october 24thwhen they found the body of
michael barnett.
So it could, it had to have beendays if a week apart, damn.
But then again it he doesn't donothing.
He doesn't do anything untilfebruary of 05 when he murdered
22 year old leon lorette, analcoholic vagrant who had
previously been living with twoof the other victims which they
had initially.
Investigators at that point hadinitially assumed or they had

(51:20):
put him on the suspect list orneed to be talked to because he
was the connecting point betweenAnoka Jones and Michael Barnett
.
They had all lived together atone point and they actually were
looking for him in relation tothe murders when they found his
body.

Speaker 1 (51:40):
Well, they found him.

Speaker 2 (51:41):
And he was reportedly the last person to see both of
them, or at least Jones, anokaJones, because he had reportedly
been the last person to see himbefore his disappearance.
But we know that couldn't havebeen the case because then he
was murdered by Domin,reportedly been the last person
to see him before hisdisappearance, but we know that
couldn't have been the casebecause then he was murdered by
Dominique, the last person tosee him before his disappearing
event Because it was really goodand I wanted to.

(52:08):
Two months later, in April.
So we went from February whenhe killed the 22-year-old Leon,
who was a suspect in the othermurders.

Speaker 1 (52:17):
He was just really good at shooting sorry.

Speaker 2 (52:19):
It's okay.
Two months later, in April,dominique met 31-year-old August
Watkins.

Speaker 1 (52:25):
Two months later, in April, he met August.

Speaker 2 (52:28):
It's a little bit funny, he was a homeless man who
, again he was lured to thetruck with promises of his
wasn't even drugs, it was just abed to sleep in.

Speaker 1 (52:37):
Oh, that's fucked.
And once he got Watkins back,to the trailer Not that any of
the other ones had any, you know.
Not being horrible, but likethat, that fucking sucks.
Well, once somebody got himback.
Not being horrible, but likethat, that, that, just that
fucking sucks yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:54):
Well, once somebody got him back, gave him alcohol,
and this was one of the oneswhere he showed the picture and
said she's just shy and thefemale acquaintance of his that
wanted to have sex with him.

Speaker 1 (53:08):
That's a little bit funny.

Speaker 2 (53:11):
Wouldn't come out until he was restrained because
she was scared for her safety,and at that point I almost want
to blame the victim.
Almost Watkins allows Dominiqueto tie him up Dumbass, at which
point he proceeds to rape andthen strangle him, and this is
not me king-shaming.

Speaker 1 (53:29):
If you like being tied up, go for it, go nuts, but
goddammit, at least see theperson that's doing it.

Speaker 2 (53:35):
I Know what you're doing.
Be safe.
After they found the body ofWatkins, they begin to realize
at this point is when they beginto realize there's a serial
killer active in Kidder and Homa.

Speaker 1 (53:48):
Just saying Y'all could do better on a couple of
these.

Speaker 2 (53:51):
They are doing much better now Because of how
close-minded and how secularthey were back in earlier years
and times of yawn.
What, like two weeks ago, right?
Well, they were very, you know,like I said, secluded.
They were just cut off,especially in the rural areas
like this in Kenner and Houma.
They start to realize that, hey, all these bodies, they got the

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same shit happening.
They are the same type ofpeople, they are the same.
Well hell, some of them haveeven lived together.
some of them not together thannearby really close by like
within a couple doors damn sameneighborhoods.

Speaker 1 (54:26):
It must be somebody from one of them yeah.

Speaker 2 (54:28):
So they're thinking you know, we probably got a
serial killer guys, which is notunsurprising because,
especially at this point in timein Louisiana, you had at least
two other friggin' active serialkillers.
So, yeah, that makes all thesense.
Let's add one more.

Speaker 1 (54:42):
Maybe that's why they didn't think it was one in the
first place.
Like can't be an ischmium rightnow.

Speaker 2 (54:46):
Right, and that's very likely, because it just
seems unreal is unreal.
So after they find Watkins'body, they, because of the
striking similarity, thestrangulation, body dumping, I
don't want my laugh in righthere.

Speaker 1 (55:05):
I've just caught Watkins and I immediately went
to Sherlock.
Yeah, either way, though it'ssimilar enough that it made me
chuckle and I was not laughingat anything.
That just happened.

Speaker 2 (55:18):
So after only a few days of the murder that he had
committed against Watkins andthen later that same summer he
murdered 28-year-old AlonzoHogan in St Charles, Parish, and
then again in terrible parish,17 year old wayne smith, luring
them, both, alonzo and wayne,under the pretense of having sex

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with one of his female friends.
So he used this get them tocome back, allow themselves
willingly to be restrained, andthen he would proceed to assault
, rape and strangle and murderand then dump their bodies.
Now the major differencebetween all of these other

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victims, except for the veryfirst one and Hogan and Smith
these last two, the 28-year-oldand 17-year-old in St Charles
and Terrebonne.
They had no criminal record,they had no prior criminal
convictions and were not knownto use drugs.

Speaker 1 (56:19):
This is not a very stable table.
I mean like you've got anactual table right here.

Speaker 2 (56:25):
So Hogan, alonzo Hogan, the 28-year-old, had been
raped pre-mortem and whilethere were no traces of semen
found on his corpse, since hisbody had been disposed of in a
canal and it was discovered afew days later.

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But because it was in a canal,there was water.
There's no way.
So, they could tell that he wasraped.
They did not get any dna backfrom his body.
So in september they didn't getany usable dna, right, okay?
Well, I mean like, if theyfound it, they they, like you
said they couldn't use it, but Idon't it says that they didn't.

Speaker 1 (57:05):
I find any 2005.

Speaker 2 (57:09):
that september, dominique murdered 40 year old
chris deville, who was trying tohitchhike out of Napoleonville
following Hurricane Katrina.
Again, he was taking advantageof the fact that these guys were
down on the lot trying to getwhere they needed to go, and he
later dumped Chris DeVille'sbody in a reed field on the side

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of the road I was going to say,if he was active around the
time of after Katrina, likethere could be a lot of victims
we have no idea about.
Exactly Well, and we'll kind ofget to that.
Touch on that here.

Speaker 1 (57:41):
Yeah, I mean.
I know you said there wereextensive confessions and like
so.
That's.
It could also just be the oneshe thought mattered, or the ones
that stood out in his mind.

Speaker 2 (57:49):
Right, well, no, I don't think that's the case.
I think there's a lot ofvagrants or down-on-their-luck
people that are hitchhiking andmoving and having a place to
stay Well, and a couple of thesewere not identified until he
identified them or where theywere, so he later dumped his
body in the reed field andunfortunately, his skeletal

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remains were discovered a monthlater and identified by
relatives only because of an idcard that happened to be left
beside the body with hispersonal belongings, because he
was so degraded they could not,they would not have been able to
identify him any other way.
That was after katrina, so thatprobably played a big role in

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what they had or why they hadn'tfound him within the month or
so, because they had a lot goingon at that point A whole lot of
shit going on, yeah.

Speaker 1 (58:41):
So that was at the end of September, and then One
of the couple times that noblame placed on anything
timing-wise during this periodof time.
Right, they had a lot offucking shit going on, exactly.

Speaker 2 (58:55):
So then again, in late November of that same year,
post-Katrina Ronald Dominique,he again.
He murdered 21-year-oldNicholas Pellegrin in La Forge
Parish.
And while they wereinvestigating Pellegrin's death,
the relatives told the policethat shortly before his death he
had borrowed $400 from a localdrug dealer and had missed the

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payment date, after which hebegan to receive death threats.
So before that's some real goodtiming Before Dominique's
capture and confession,Pellegrin's death was thought to
have been drug related, whichyou know, and that's what they
attributed it to.
That really follows, follows.
So the last and final victimand I think this is probably the

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longest amount of time we'vehad to spend talking about how
many victims over what span oftime, because it's been a lot um
, his last confirmed victim was27 year old christopher
sutterfield, and christophersutterfield was different in
many ways because, well,technically, he claimed bisexual
.
So that was one thing Ronaldhad actually Openly claimed.

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Ronald had actually met andbegan romantically dating him.

Speaker 1 (01:00:05):
Oh shit, right.
And then they did the dirty,and then he killed him, and then
again in.

Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
October.
I have no idea why this guy'sOctober is so fucked.
I have no idea.

Speaker 1 (01:00:17):
I couldn't tell you.

Speaker 2 (01:00:18):
Huh, when's his birthday, january?
I have no idea what happened tohim in October, and the only
thing I can figure is thatOctober is triggering for him,
because that's when he was injail and that's when he was
raped.
Oh, that makes a whole hell ofa lot of sense.
But like it literally justdawned on me that that's when he
was in jail.

Speaker 1 (01:00:35):
I didn't realize that I didn't either until literally
my brain made the jump.
That makes a lot of sense.

Speaker 2 (01:00:39):
So October 14th, while on a date in Ivoryville
Parish, the blood moon came out,dominique, just out of nowhere,
decided he was done and he hitSutterfield on the head with a
heavy object, causing him tolose consciousness.
And was done, and he hitSutterfield on the head with a
heavy object, causing him tolose consciousness, and then
raped and strangled him and then, like, just left his body.
After police found the body,they interviewed the relatives

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and friends and acquaintances.
All of them confirmed that theyhad seen him with Dominique
that night driving a black SUV,but they weren't able to
describe the appearance ofDominique well enough to be able
to give them a positive or, youknow, a significant lead.
All they had was the black SUVand some white guy, chunky white
guy.

Speaker 1 (01:01:21):
Not to say that it can't be done, but it's just a
real, real odd to rape yourromantic partner.

Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
But why would you feel the need to do so?
Y'all were dating.

Speaker 1 (01:01:32):
That's what I'm saying.
Like it's crazy, why would youfeel the need to do so?
Y'all were dating.
It's crazy, why would you?

Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
take the one good thing that you've had in ever,
you have to assume it was goodbecause they were dating.
They weren't just, you know, fbuddies.
Even that would have been goodfor him.

Speaker 1 (01:01:46):

Speaker 2 (01:01:46):
Like, why why?
Because that scared the shitout of him it scared the
absolute ever loving shit out ofhim the serial killer in him
needed to keep that normalitythat had been his life for
almost 10 years.

Speaker 1 (01:02:03):
So I also didn't even process that 10 years is a long
time to be doing something, tojust stop, no matter what that
something is.
In this case it's not really agood something.
But uh, it'd be real hard tocold turkey a damn thing.
Yeah for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:02:26):
So that was October 14th 2005.

Speaker 1 (01:02:29):
One would hope killing people would be a little
bit easier.
But you know Apparently not.

Speaker 2 (01:02:36):
In November of 2006,.
Over a year later, Dominiquecame under police suspicion
after a resident of Bayou Blue,a gentleman by the name of Ricky
Wallace, reported to hisprobation officer that he had
had an interaction with thisweird white guy off in a trailer
park that reporting to your poactually did something useful.

Speaker 1 (01:02:58):
Right, right, right.
So he reported.

Speaker 2 (01:03:00):
Sounds better and more like what I was trying to
say that dominique had lured him, that dominique had lured
wallace ricky wallace to histrailer in mid 2006 so it was
earlier that year with the offerof sharing drugs and to have
sex with some girl.
Now ricky got in there and hewas wait, you tell me, one of
them actually used their brain.
Listen, according to what rickytold his po and what he later

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testified to, dominique hadtried to convince him that his
girlfriend enjoyed bondage andoffered to tie wallace up.
So he had switched his littlegame up a little bit.
It wasn't so much about hersafety or protection, it was
more so because she was into itand I guess that worked for him
in another case or in anothertime.
So he decided that's what hewas going to go with.

Speaker 1 (01:03:43):
Yeah, I kind of feel like he just went with one thing
until it stopped working andthen tried something slightly
different.
Yeah, probably, very likely,and Rinty was like.

Speaker 2 (01:03:49):
You know, I'm not high enough for this, I'm not
drunk enough for this, I don'tbelieve any of the shit that
you're spitting.
So I'm going to be out andDominic let him leave.
He let him walk out.
The trailer.

Speaker 1 (01:04:04):
Well, yeah, Things didn't go the way.
He was planning for them to goRight and he didn't.
Probably both didn't know whatto do and didn't want to attract
attention.
Didn't want a chance to dogetting out, oh for sure.
But if you think about it, Doyou remember that one time, that
one time, that somebody got outRight?

Speaker 2 (01:04:22):
And that happened again.

Speaker 1 (01:04:23):
That and that ain't gonna happen.
He ain't going back.

Speaker 2 (01:04:26):
He was 33 when this started in 1997.
At this point he's like what 40?

Speaker 1 (01:04:30):
43-ish.
43-ish, you said 10 years.

Speaker 2 (01:04:34):
Right, so I think it was technically nine.
I'm good with rounding in thiscase.
Either way, 10 is good enough,but my point is he's obviously
overweight.
Got heart problems, got issues,got all health issues.
If he doesn't get them tied uphe's not going to win that fight
, so his best option is to belike oh you know what dude,
that's cool, that's fine.

Speaker 1 (01:04:53):
We'll find somebody else, no biggie.
And again it hurts a little bitto say pretty fucking smart,
yeah, he picked his battlespretty well, right, so he let
him lead, no problem.

Speaker 2 (01:05:04):
And then later, when Ricky told his PO about this,
they said oh my god, that soundssimilar to that would make
sense if they got tied up before.
Oh shit, that's how he wasdoing it, because he's a big guy
.
They didn't think he was goingto be physically capable of
doing this to these people,these young strapping bucks that
are on drugs and high andeverything else, whatever.
They couldn't figure it out Now.

Speaker 1 (01:05:27):
That alone showed where your mind is at these
young strapping bucks.
Because they couldn'tunderstand how the heat in the
shape and condition that he wasin, Okay, they got him.

Speaker 2 (01:05:38):
When he told his PO this it struck a chord.
He goes and reports to theinvestigators.
They eventually, at some pointlater they get him to testify.
But his testimony was calledinto question because he was a
known drug addict.
He was obviously on parole orprobation for a reason.

Speaker 1 (01:05:58):
And he had known to be a liar.

Speaker 2 (01:06:00):
Like he had repeatedly lied in the past.
But this did start that ballturning, and this is what I was
talking about earlier.
We were talking about justtelling somebody you trust to be
able to tell someone that canget that ball rolling.

Speaker 1 (01:06:12):
Which, to be fair, isn't usually your po, but if
that works for you good for you,all right.

Speaker 2 (01:06:17):
So this traction in just this little bit of
information allowed them tobring dominique in as a suspect.
It allowed him to start theirquestioning, which, while he was
being held at the station,because again, this guy's not
dumb they ask him for a for ablood sample, for for a dna

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sample and probably and this ismy guess speculation station
here.
My guess is that he knew if herefused that it would look worse
, so he went ahead and said okay, and I mean, we're still he
probably had a at least a littlebit of confidence that there
wasn't much or any and theywouldn't be able to tie it
together because I could seelike he's got 10 years worth and

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right, a little bit ofconfidence.
Two bodies there were only evertwo bodies that had recovered
dna.
Yes, again.

Speaker 1 (01:07:08):
so I I don't like complimenting this guy, but like
right, that's pretty damn good,that's a good track record for
that Right.

Speaker 2 (01:07:14):
So Not good enough.
He gave them the sample freely,voluntarily, like I said.
I believe in my mind that makesthe most sense, that he was
just like well, if I tell themno, they're just gonna look
harder.
So this might buy me a littlebit of time.

Speaker 1 (01:07:27):
So which in reality?
Like, If you have, If it'sgoing to show something, say no,
yeah, they'll look harder, butthey won't be able to get your
DNA.
Don't drop a damn thing thattouches your lips in a public
trash.
Can.

Speaker 2 (01:07:43):
We're not giving, I'm cutting all that out.

Speaker 1 (01:07:45):
We're not doing that.
Don't leave your house.
Don't smoke a cigarette.

Speaker 2 (01:07:48):
Alright.
So over the next week DNAtestings eventually came back
and obviously, as we're tellingthe story, you guys already know
it came back the DNA from thetwo bodies that was recovered,
from Oliver and Manuel.
They matched.

Speaker 1 (01:08:04):
See, the woohoo comes back around the semen traces.

Speaker 2 (01:08:07):
And that in and of itself was enough for an arrest
warrant.
So on December 1st 2006,dominique was arrested at a
homeless shelter.
Now get this.
This is why, in my head, histhought was okay, well, they're
on to me, I'm going to give themmy DNA, it's going to give me
some time to tie up some looseends.
And the reason I say this isbecause less than a week before

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the arrest was made, he wasstill living with his sister on
her property.
So it gave him a little bit oftime to get off that, and that
shows a little bit of humanityin him.
That shows you he did care forhis family, at least his sister
in some form, because he didn'twant her dragged into it in that
way.
So he did move out, whichdoesn't make me feel any better.

Speaker 1 (01:08:49):
It doesn't.
It doesn't.

Speaker 2 (01:08:51):
And you know, the craziest part was they actually
did an interview with the guythat he was the homeless shelter
that he was staying in, the guywho owned it.
He was like I never would havethunk.
I never would have thunk it andhe showed he had no resistance
to nothing like that.
He actually had a cane.
He hobbled out on a cane out ofhis little bedroom to be
arrested and taken into custody.

Speaker 1 (01:09:09):
It's actually real good for bonking, but uh, back
full circles to, I think, thefirst thing you said, a
highlight on the unsuspecting,on the unassuming, very much so
Anybody can be anybody.
Don't trust them until you havea reason to.

Speaker 2 (01:09:24):
Yeah or not to, and I mean, like that's one of those
things that, like I hope andpray at this point in our world
as a civilization as a whole,that we understand intricately
that anyone has the capacity tobe evil, to be a murderer, to be

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a serial killer, to be one ofthose people that you didn't see
it coming At this point I don'tassume people know anything
because, like I'm sorry people,I know y'all.

Speaker 1 (01:09:52):
People don't.

Speaker 2 (01:09:52):
No, I agree with you know anything because, like I'm
sorry people, well see, that'swhat I'm saying.
I hope I love y'all people.
No, no, I agree with you.
That's why we're here.
We're educating, that's whywe're here.
So once at the police station,dominique agreed to cooperate.
He readily well.
I mean like obviously he put upa little bit of resistance at
first game no not really, but hewas kind of like well, what you

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got, trying to hold his cards,you know, actually left.
And then when they told himthat the two dna matches came
back to the two different bodiesthat were found, he was like,
all right, gigs up, we're done.
All right, I'm gonna confess touh, 23 murders in total,
describing them and only detailsthat would be known to the
killer or to the officers at thescene.
Because cops do this and thisis a thing.

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Another one education point hereguys, the officers, the cops,
cops can lie.
First and foremost.
I need everybody to understandthat.
Let me say it louder for theones in the back cops will lie.
They can lie about anything andeverything.
If they tell you they've gotDNA, tell them to show you the
test.
If they show you a test, youneed to tell them to let you
call the doctor yourself,because they can lie folks and

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damn it, they will repeatedly.
If they say that your buddy hasrolled on you trust your buddy.
Trust your buddy and laugh laughat them, because they're
telling your buddy the samething and you just gotta hope
and pray that he's keeping hisfreaking mouth shut too.
They can lie, they will lie,and they will do it repeatedly
and to the best of their ability.

Speaker 1 (01:11:18):
they are trained to do so, so in that, manner, and
it is only in cases such asthese, where it happens often
enough, that I appreciate thefact that they came.
But damn it, I don't like it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:30):
the fact that they can't but damn it, I don't like
it, right.
So the only reason I say thatis to also bring up the part
where they can lie.
But they can also withholdinformation.
So they as investigators, inmost cases will withhold a very
specific detail from the press,from anybody outside of the
immediate group, because that issomething specific that only

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the person who was there at thetime of the murder will know.
And you know they try to havethis type of information or this
single significant piece to beable.

Speaker 1 (01:12:05):
She says single.
They like to have a couple.

Speaker 2 (01:12:06):
Absolutely.
They like to have somethingthat they can cooperate, because
you've got people that arecrazy, absolutely, 100%,
allulely.

Speaker 1 (01:12:12):
And you've also got people that are really luckily
unlucky.

Speaker 2 (01:12:15):
That will make shit up and be right, sure for sure,
and you want to be able to saythat he knew something that no
one else possibly could haveknown.
There's no way he could havegot that what's that term?

Speaker 1 (01:12:24):
beyond the shadow of a doubt or, uh, beyond a
reasonable doubt, depending onif you're talking to normal
people or if you're talking tolegal people, right?

Speaker 2 (01:12:31):
right right, You're not normal people.
So this is one of those thingsthat every one of the 23 murders
that he ended up confessing to,he had that special piece of
information that only he couldhave known if he had been there
and killed them himself.

Speaker 1 (01:12:47):
And that's a lot of corroborating factors.

Speaker 2 (01:12:49):
As a result all of the charges that were brought on
him at that time he actuallyonly got charged, I think the
jurisdiction that he murder andhe was held on eight million
dollars, one million dollar bondper murder for those charges,

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right, um, it hurts a little bit, it does, it does, and this was
in jefferson.
I believe it was either injefferson or terrible.
No, it was in terrible,terrible parish that he was
arrested.
The dna match was actually fromjefferson, parish, but with the
confessions from the eight thatwere in Terrebonne, that's
where they got him on thefirst-degree murders for that.

Speaker 1 (01:13:39):
Now Sorry.
Sometimes my interjections arefunny, Sometimes they're just
sad.

Speaker 2 (01:13:42):
Um, the district attorney initially stated that
he wanted to go for the deathpenalty.

Speaker 1 (01:13:49):
However, Nahhh, life sentence is way more of a death
penalty for this one, however.

Speaker 2 (01:13:55):
Due to the amount of victims and due to the amount of
information that was given andto the extras that the extra
information that was given theyweren't even aware that they
didn't have, so, like the murderthat I talked about earlier,
that they thought was drugrelated.

Speaker 1 (01:14:14):
Sounds like they ended up coming to the
conclusion of what are theygoing to do?
Kill him twice.

Speaker 2 (01:14:17):
Right, well, not even that.
To the conclusion of what arethey going to do?
Kill him twice, right?
Well, not even that.
It was more about gettingclosure for the families and
getting them, because the oneMitchell family was really upset
about the police saying that hehad drowned in the ditch, that
didn't freaking happen, andbecause Dominique did provide
that.
I don't want to say measure ofsolace, because I don't know
which is worse.
Honestly, by being validatedthat the police lifted up or

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knowing that you're, they werevalidated when they said it,
right, so All of them knew.
Regardless of all that, they didoffer him a plea deal, good or
what, technically, technically,they offered him a plea deal and
the only part of the plea dealthat actually mattered was the
fact that if he pled guilty, ifhe took the plea deal, they
would take the death penalty offthe table and plead for him um,

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now, they spent a lot of timein court and because I still
want to touch on this just alittle bit because, like I said,
they charged him with eightcounts of first degree murder.
He took the plea deal to eightcounts of first degree murder.
So he is sentenced to eightcounts of first degree murder,
life without parole on all eightsentences.

Speaker 1 (01:15:22):
Is that even concurrent?

Speaker 2 (01:15:25):
I don't even know.
I think it may have beenconcurrent, but it's irrelevant
at this point because he's nevergetting out of prison, because
even if he does, he's still gotto go and do the charges for the
other prisoners as well.

Speaker 1 (01:15:33):
He's got eight there.

Speaker 2 (01:15:34):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (01:15:35):
And they're holding oh, and that's another thing
that cops, prosecutors, can andwill do Well, because I didn't
learn this until just like lastyear Just completely withhold
charges.

Speaker 2 (01:15:47):
They have you on something.
We don't feel like filing thoseyet and the statute of
limitations are going to run outon murder, so we'll just hold
on to that one.

Speaker 1 (01:15:54):
They'll just wait, just in case you do somehow
someway manage to finagle yourass out of jail.

Speaker 2 (01:15:59):
you're going right back Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:16:01):
So if you're going to do some shit, don't get caught.
If you have a possibility ofgetting caught, don't do some
shit, Unless it's really worthit to you.

Speaker 2 (01:16:08):
So he was appointed a public defender when he first
got his $8 million bill set, Ireally shouldn't be giving you
advice.

Speaker 1 (01:16:13):
That's horrible advice.

Speaker 2 (01:16:14):
Right.
So again, he took the plea hepled to eight counts of
first-degree murder.
He was sentenced to lifewithout parole, absolutely.
But before any of that happenedhe was using a cane and he was
actually wheelchaired a coupletimes in and out of court to go
to his pretrial hearings andreview status hearings, and all
of these things, the wheelchairkind of makes me feel like it

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was a you know a PR stunt.
He was reporting to the courtand to anybody that would listen
that he had a terrible heart.
He had just recently had aheart attack or a stroke or
something, within a week or twobefore he got arrested.
All of these things Because hewas trying to make the case.
For you know, he's too febrile,like he was not able to carry
these things out.

Speaker 1 (01:16:56):
I couldn't have dubbed those bodies you know
Spent a whole life, a decade ofhunting and fucking and killing
and dumping that don't fuck upanybody's heart.

Speaker 2 (01:17:05):
Yeah, so his Shit.

Speaker 1 (01:17:07):
just the nerves alone of trying to not get caught for
a decade and fuck up somebody'sheart.

Speaker 2 (01:17:11):
Right and the doctors .
They did a full checkup, fullall of the things, physicals,
and come to find out he wasseverely exaggerating his heart
conditions he did have like alittle bit of a murmur or
something, and he did have somecongenital heart stuff.
That was that was starting, butit was very, very exaggerated

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circumstances.
They had no way of proving ordisproving either, but they they
didn't.
They didn't have any records orshowing of him having had a
stroke or heart attack any timerecently and you know his heart
must not have been all that bad,because this motherfucker's
still alive.
He's in Angola right now,breathing the air that we

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breathe.
He's not breathing the air thatwe breathe.
Eh, it's probably a littleworse, but he's at his forever
home in Angola right Today.

Speaker 1 (01:18:00):
Right now, honestly, for one of the few instances
that feels a hell of a lotbetter than the death sentence,
especially for this onespecifically.

Speaker 2 (01:18:10):
Technically he is on restricted or confinement.

Speaker 1 (01:18:17):
He only gets to go outside for one hour every 24
hours and he is in his ownsingle, single cell by himself.

Speaker 2 (01:18:22):
He doesn't have any other inmate interaction.
He's outside for an hour a day,allowed to shower, but he is
closely guarded and closelywatched and he is not allowed to
interaction with anybody elsein the prison at any point in
time yeah, they told him hewasn't going to get the death
penalty.

Speaker 1 (01:18:35):
Yeah, you can't allow him around the general
population, right, he might getthe death penalty right, so
that's like that that whole.

Speaker 2 (01:18:45):
It's just bonkers.

Speaker 1 (01:18:46):
I find everything because it's a lot of just the
jail trying to save face now Iwant to say they told you they
weren't gonna kill right, I want.

Speaker 2 (01:18:54):
I want to point out real quick though I didn't
mention it when we were goingthrough the story, because
there's just so much that goeson.
In this case it's.
It's a lot because it's over a10 year span, you can imagine.
But when it all came down to it, they didn't actually set up a
task force for this serialkiller until 2005.
He started killing these, thesemen in 97.
By the time it hit 2005, he hadalready killed 18 people like

(01:19:20):
again with the 19 people.
I don't really like doing this,but like good shit 19 people he
had got away with a couple ofthem.
They didn't even realize orconnect to him or to a single
until he connected to them, andthey didn't do this in 2005.
Now in 2005, they did have acouple of gumshoe detective

(01:19:44):
investigators that were verythorough and they did, even with
this PO, this parolee makingthese statements that sounded
kind of off the wall, kind ofyou know, everybody else was
kind of writing them off.

Speaker 1 (01:19:57):
These two guys were very dedicated to finding it and
they followed everything, whichis the reason that our police
structure still is capable ofstanding on its own two feet.
There's always going to be acouple good ones.

Speaker 2 (01:20:09):
Those two investigators are the reason
that that tip quote unquote tipwas followed up on that.
They did do the initial touchbase interview and asked for the
DNA from Dominique.
And without that followed up onthat, they did do the initial
touch base interview and askedfor the dna from dominique.
And without that touch, withoutthat contact, he probably never
would have been caught.

(01:20:29):
He would have continued killinguntil he was either caught in
the act or he was caught dumpingthe body, something along those
lines, or he fell out.
Because, yeah, because these,these, these men didn't stop.
And you know, these are thekind of detectives that we need
so many of, because, regardlessof where these guys came from,
regardless of their stature orstatus in life, these detectives

(01:20:50):
were bound and freaking,determined to get justice for
every single one of them,regardless of who they were,
where they came from, how muchmoney their family had, what
color they were.
And that to me, is worthtalking about.

Speaker 1 (01:21:01):
Let me tell you a secret we love y'all, y'all the
best as an inside joke.

Speaker 2 (01:21:06):
So, um, I just wanted to throw that out there.
I also wanted to kind of tossit out there too for the lgbtq
I'm sorry, I don't know all ofthe extensions.
Um, most that whole community,um, this left a a big mark on
the louisiana community becausethey said it kind of felt like a

(01:21:27):
black eye on the lgbt peoplebecause they they said that you
know just, it's just a funnyturn of phrase, right, but
that's literally the quote wasblack eye for the lgbt community
because they they didn't reallyhim, but they didn't shun him
either, so he was a part oftheir group and it made them
look terrible because he hadthis gay guy running around
killing other gay guys to keepfrom going to jail, after he

(01:21:50):
raped and strangled them andthen just dumped their body like
they were nothing.
Can we stop and talk?

Speaker 1 (01:21:54):
about just how fucked that is that we don't that
every white, white straightserial killer is another black
guy like our face would be sodamn black.
They got what like two.

Speaker 2 (01:22:09):
We got what like two thousand out of all of the
serial killers so far we've hadin the worst way Sean Vincent,
gillis, dominique andGainesville Ripper they were all
white.
Jared todd lee is the onlyblack man so far, but we do have
another black man next week.

(01:22:29):
But statistics reportedly overthe years that they've done all
of this analysis into serialkillers and the like, they found
that typically they are whitemen.
They are more likely to have aserial killer that is a
Caucasian male than any otherrace or gender.

(01:22:50):
Period, end of story.
And you know as bad aseverybody want to talk about.
You know the profiling andthings of that nature.
Well, I mean mean, but thathappens with any criminal,
though at some point they getlazy, they get sloppy and they
have an almost like an intrinsicneed to be caught.

Speaker 1 (01:23:06):
So I'm talking about people in general.

Speaker 2 (01:23:08):
They get tired anyway , fun facts in the gay community
.
Ronald had a nickname.
Ronald dominique had a nicknameand he was known as quote miss
moped unquote.
Why?

(01:23:30):
Let me tell you that's becausewhen he was visiting these bars
downtown, these, uh, the gaybars where he would go and do
drag as patatti LaBelle, he hada moped.
He would drive around on hisfreaking moped, a moped.
He would take the moped to thebars, go sing Patti LaBelle.

Speaker 1 (01:23:47):
But this is the other thing too.
I failed to see the humor inthis.
I drove a moped to a bar.

Speaker 2 (01:23:52):
Yes, but you were not a chubby white dude dressed as
a white or a black female.
No, no, I was not.
Okay, so also, no, I was not he.
But this is the other fun facthere too, he was not an
alcoholic.
He barely drank ever.
He never did any kind of drugs,he was never known to do any

(01:24:13):
kind of drugs and from what wecan see in his past there was no
overwhelming signs of eitherphysical or from uh any kind of
traumatic uh occurrence.
But you heard me in just inthis episode talk about the fact
that what is about?
What is it about?
October?
Well, ding, ding, ding.
That was when he was in jail,the only time he was in jail,

(01:24:35):
the only time that he was had tobe put in the hospital, after
he was raped repeatedly andhorribly enough to be put in the
hospital, after he was rapedrepeatedly and horribly enough
to be put in the hospital.

Speaker 1 (01:24:42):
Which very well could have just been once, not even
Right.
It could have been yeah, and Idon't want to mitigate, or no,
absolutely not.

Speaker 2 (01:24:49):
But at the same time, um, I guess, because he thought
that at that point in his lifethat you know, he had tried
everything the way that he hadso far and it had gotten him
nowhere.
So when he came out, excuse me,when he came out of jail, he

(01:25:10):
still wanted to get get his dickwet.
I suppose, and all of all ofhis, all of his, all of his
murders stemmed from thesexually based motivation, right
, but I mean because that's whathe told them in his confessions
as well was that all of it wasbecause he wanted to have sex

(01:25:30):
with these men but he didn'twant to get in trouble for it.
So that's why he killed him,because he wasn't going back to
prison.
But I think over time and Ithink it's said in one of these
episodes that you know, he, theyassume it was more to it than
that it was the control, it wasthe ability to make his presence

(01:25:51):
known in some way, and thatthat was the control that he got
to exert over these men in oneway or another.
And that actually kind of ringstrue, especially if you look at
the fact that the the ones thatwere, um, the crimes that were
committed so close in proximityto the other in time, that the

(01:26:12):
one, specifically, was when theguy overdosed and he wasn't able
to resist.
He wasn't able to put up afight, he wasn't able to exert
his control in the way that henormally had been um with his
other victims, and that createdless of a thrill, less of a
release.
Um, it didn't.
It didn't check the boxes thathe had set out to with the

(01:26:33):
intent of committing thesecrimes.
That was why he was doing it,and because he didn't get that,
he had to turn around and commitanother one real quick.
So I mean, it's a terrible,terrible, freaking story and
again, I had no freaking cluewhen I started this mess that
louisiana had so many dangserial killers.
But I can tell you for sure thatwe've got.

(01:26:54):
I'm gonna do the one more.
Um, that'll be, um, not thiscoming over the week after.
We are about to go to northcarolina, um, today, actually
tomorrow, well, it's over pastmidnight, so we're driving up
there to go to a wedding andthen we'll be back, uh, next
week and uh, we'll see if we'reexcited about that.
But um, I'm gonna try to getthat other episode recorded and

(01:27:21):
give that up for y'all once weget back, so we shouldn't have
any missteps there.
And I don't know.
I'm excited to be able to getthrough this next one, because I
refuse to do any more serialkillers after this next one,
because I've got the otherepisodes that I've got to tell
you guys about, because it'skilling me to not to.

(01:27:45):
I was talking to someone justthe other day about the fact
that I started this podcastspecifically to be able to tell
these stories that get under myskin, that that keep me up at
night, that keep me scrolling,that keep me digging for
something else, for moreinformation.
I need to know why, whathappened, what were they
thinking, why would they do that?
I need to know why or whathappened, what were they
thinking, why would they do that?
And a lot of times the answersare not fulfilling, but at least
, in the very least, I get toshare them and get them out of

(01:28:07):
my brain and I don't have to tryto, you know, force them on the
people in my life that justroll their eyes at me because
I'm telling them another storyabout stuff that they have no
idea why I'm interested or why Icare.
So I appreciate you guys beinghere for me.
I appreciate you guys comingback.
I appreciate you sharing If youdo.
If you don't, that's fine too.
Just keep coming back.

(01:28:27):
That's fine, I'm good with that.
We've got a couple cool thingsthat have popped up here
recently I just want to touch onreal, real quick.
Our host for our podcast RSSFeed actually has a new, really
cool feature that if you at thevery top of our show notes, it
says something about screamingat me during the episode.

(01:28:47):
Basically, that's just a linkthat will allow you to text us
immediately.
It's just a quick and it goesstraight to my phone and you
type in whatever message,however long, and you can sign
it.
You cannot sign it.
It comes from a randomizednumber from the host site itself
, but you can literally justimmediately text me and we can
text back and forth.

(01:29:08):
If you had something interestingyou wanted to say about the
case, or if you have any kind ofsuggestion or anything, you can
also submit it.
That way we've got our website.
We've got our tiktok.
We've our YouTube, which Ithink may or may not be on a
slight hiatus because I didn'trenew my ID.
I'm not sure what the hell thatis, but I'll fix that.
Make sure that gets put back up.
We got our Patreon that Irelease.

(01:29:30):
Um, all of these unedited,unfiltered versions, uh, that
usually end up being aboutdouble the amount of time that I
end up putting out in a normalepisode.
So if you want any piece ofthat, I release photos and
things like that days early andgenerally I have the episodes
available at least 24 hoursearly for our Patreon members

(01:29:51):
out there too.
So, oh, I did want to say realquick that we are now we have
officially hit all majorcontinents.
Um, I don't believe Antarcticais a thing, but all of the major
continents North South Asia,Europe, all of the all of the
whole world, Australia,everybody.
We have hit every continent andI just wanted to say thank you

(01:30:14):
guys.
I appreciate you, we love youand we will see you guys soon.
If you have any questions oranything like that, check out
the show notes down there.
If you go to the website, thesinlawpodcastcom, I'll have an
entire post on there that hasthe pictures showing you with
him with his cane and lookingall crazy, and then all of the
pictures of the victims, which Ialways try to put at the very

(01:30:36):
front foremost.
First thing you see wheneveryou do, um, check out the
website for the episode.
So, you guys, have a wonderfulweekend, have a wonderful week.
Um, we're going to go andhopefully enjoy ourselves, and I
uh, I plan to try not to thinkabout too much more of anything.
I actually want to have a bookthat I've really been dying to

(01:30:57):
read, and I think that's whatI'm going to try to get done in
the couple days that we're notgoing to be driving.
So I will respond if you sendme emails, texts, whatever it is
, but otherwise you guys have awonderful rest of your month,
which is this we're at the endof May.

(01:31:18):
Now right yeah, dora month,which is this what we're at the
end of May now, right yeah.
So have a wonderful May.
I will see you guys back againin June and hopefully in June
we'll be able to cover somereal-time cases, unless they
decide to plea out before then.
But I will keep you guys posted.
It should be a very interestingsummer for sure.
Thank you guys so much.

(01:31:39):
Love you.
See you later.
Peace out.
Girl Scout Uncle Sire would saydeuces, take care out there.

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