THE Baton Rouge -Serial Killer- Derrick Todd Lee

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From the early 1990s to themid-2000s, Baton Rouge,
Louisiana, was a dangerous placeto be a woman dangerous place

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to be a woman.
There were at least two activeserial killers, and last episode
we covered the "ther BatonRouge serial killer.
This week we will be discussingthe Baton Rouge serial killer.
We've spoke about him in atleast two other episodes and now
we will have the opportunity totake a deep dive into this
serial killer's murderousrampage that took quite a while

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to solve, not only because ofthe random victims, but because
the FBI profile, whom usuallywould be trusted, implicitly had
them looking in the exact wrongdirection.
Join us now for another serialkiller deep dive on today's

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episode CenLA.

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Hello, yes, we're back, thankgoodness, and I'm sorry.
Let me just start off by sayingthat I never meant to take
almost a full month off of thispodcast, but we had all of the
life that happened.
My oldest child had to have hertonsils removed.
We had many other life thingsthat had to be taken care of and

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took priority, and then, youknow, we all, pretty much at
some point in the last month,have had some kind of viral
sinus respiratory infection oranother.
So basically we've we've had toheal and my voice was
completely useless for almost atwo-week span, completely, um,
and I still have a little bit ofthat scratchy that I can hear.

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I don't know if y'all will beable to, especially since I've
been gone for so long, but we'reback now and I apologize from
the deepest, biggest part of mynosy, nosy heart.
Um, I'm going to try to makesure it doesn't happen again and
I will be keeping to my twoweek schedule, hell or high

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water, no matter how bad I sound, um, and I hope you guys can
forgive me and and be okay andnot have given up on me yet.
Um, but even if you have,that's okay, because I still
enjoy telling these stories, Ilove having you guys along and I
love being able to get feedbackfrom others.

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Um, but know, even if not,that's OK too.
So not too much else going on inthe world CenLAw podcast the
podcast.
There have been some crazythings happening down here in
Louisiana these past coupleweeks.

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We've had tornadoes, we've hadall kinds of crazy crime stuff.
I'm talking, you know,vehicular manslaughter.
We've had trials, we've gotupcoming trials, we've got
appeals and just all kinds ofawesome, but I can't actually

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touch on them the majority ofthem yet, but they will be
coming down the pipe.
Um, also, keep the requests andsuggestions coming.
I have an email from a repeatsuggester, um a couple of emails
actually a few, I guess, Ishould say and those are all on

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the list already as well.
Wonderful suggestions, and Ithink what I'm gonna do now for
the next couple episodes is kindof stay in this serial killer
area.
Um one, because the way my lifeis going right now and the
amount of stress that is overencompassing everything I feel
like doing cases that are morebroadly known, is going to make

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my podcast life easier and nottake away from the fascination
and value of it.
Because, although all of thesecrimes have been covered at
least 10 other podcasts, atleast 10 different episodes,
networks, all of those things Istill think they're really

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incredible stories, especiallyin considering that Louisiana
doesn't seem the type.
I guess I was just surprisedthat so many serial killers
existed in Louisiana, especiallywithin the last couple decades.
So, on that note, we are goingto get started with today's

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episode, and if anybody waspaying attention to my TikTok a
couple days ago, you know,already know who this is going
to be about.
That's right, the one, the only, the absolute waste of human
space, Derrick Todd Lee.
Now, I say waste of human space.

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I think everybody has anopportunity to not be, well,
obviously, a serial killer, butI think everybody has that point
in their life or that tippingpoint that comes with just kind
of going with what you're givenor trying to do better.
And there's those two type ofpeople in the world and,

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unfortunately, whether it bebecause of his low IQ or
possible mental instabilitybased on his background, we'll
never know.
Instability based on hisbackground, we'll never know.

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Um, but this story isincredible.
It spans across what?
92 to 2004, so 12 years or so,um, and I say and we'll get into
that here in a minute, buteverybody, strap in, hold on to
your butts If this ends up beinglonger than it probably will be
.
So I'm going to plan on itbeing one episode, but if not, I

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will release them back to back,not week but day, just because
I've missed so much time hererecently and I feel like you
guys deserve that.
So let's get into it.
Y'all ready, all right?
So, Mr.
Derek Todd Lee, he was born inNovember, November 5th of 1968.

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He was the second of fourchildren and he and his next
youngest sibling, his sister,they were full siblings.
The other two siblings in thehome were half.
So he and his sister were theonly two from the same father.

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All of the other children wereall born from different fathers
and, from what I understand, hischildhood was not completely
horrific.
I guess Now there wereallegations of severe physical
abuse.
When his mother remarried shemet a man named I believe it was

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Coleman Barrow, was that right?
And she kind of looked theother way, like she knew that
the abuse was happening and shenever did anything to stop it.
So that kind of created thatinitial violence or aggression
or aggravation or hatred towardswomen because his mom just kind

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of stood by and let this abusehappen and never stood up for
him.
So as early as age 13, he wasarrested.
That was in November of 1981.
He got arrested for burglaryand vandalism of a local candy
store called the Sweet Shop, andI did not mention, but now I

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will.
He was born in St.
Francisville, Louisiana, and hestayed in Louisiana, from what
I can tell, pretty much hisentire life.
I don't think he ever movedoutside of the state and I don't
think he actually spent anysignificant amount of time
outside of the state until, um,when they were trying to get a
hold of him after they issuedthe arrest warrant.

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So, uh, in 81 he got arrestedat age 13 in the St Francis
attempted murder.
Now, this stemmed from a fightthat he had had with another

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teenager, and during the midstof the fight he had pulled out a
knife, a knife, a knife andattempted to stab said teenager,
stab said teenager.

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And the only bad part aboutthat was he must have done it in
a way that it wasn't able to beproven, and so all that ever
happened was they interrogatedhim and then let him go so fast
forward another four years, 1988.
Hey, um, he got arrested for anattempted burglary which was
eventually reduced to anunauthorized entry of an
inhabited dwelling and all ofthese things.

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He learned quite early in lifethat his good looks, his flashy
cute smile, would go a long way,cute smile would go a long way,
and that he would.
He was able to either talk hisway out of or flirt his way out
of, or, you know, charm, if onewould go so far as to say as
much his way out of trouble.
And he learned that early inlife.

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So by age 20, after theunauthorized entry plea that
literally got in probation, hehe ended up that same year.
In September of 1988, hemarried his wife, Jackie Sims,
and they had actually dated allthrough high school.
They met when they were 13.
And the reason they got alongit was kind of like Jackie was

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kind of a loner.
She was very smart, very, veryproud and, you know, a very good
student from everything that Icould see.
But she was very reserved, likeshe wasn't very outgoing, she
didn't want to be around a lotof people, and so her and Lee
actually got along really welland by the age of 20, they ended

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up getting married.
She was about six monthsyounger than him, so there's
1920.
And they got married in a placecalled Solitude, Louisiana.
Now when I read that I wasintrigued.
It's like what the hell is thisplace?
Because I mean like we have alot of weird names in Louisiana,
as most states do have theirtheir weird you know, off the
wall odd names.

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But like Solitude and Slaughter, those are both towns in
Louisiana and they're weird.
You know off the wall odd names, but like Solitude and
Slaughter, those are both townsin Louisiana and they're within
a few miles of each other, right, so solitude and slaughter, and
they're all down there in kindof in West Feliciana Parish.
But the interesting little funfacts that I found out about

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Solitude, Louisiana that town isonly about 22 minutes, even
though it's only 4.2 miles fromAngola, yeah, the state
penitentiary.
22 minutes, though, because itis nothing but like gravel back
road BS to get out to Angola,which I get it, and there's only

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like one lonely road in and onelonely road out.
And the coolest thing, or themost interesting thing that I
could find about SolitudeLouisiana as of a couple of days
ago, there is a place, arestaurant.
It's called the Jungle Inn andI will post pictures on TikTok.
I'll probably do a video andinclude it on TikTok, also put

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it on Twitter and on the website, but it's called the Jungle Inn
and they have the mostdrool-worthy menu.
Okay, get this.
Four words.
Ready?
Loaded shrimp, etouffee, potato.
Now, I don't know about y'all,but I am a potato fan.
I love a tato, and when I sawthat my stomach immediately

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started to be like wait, wait,where is that?
How far away are we?
Let's get the directions?
Just sounds absolutely amazing,amazing, absolutely amazing.
And you can get that toppedwith like fried fish and fried
shrimp.
Are you kidding?
But they're only open threedays a week.
They're open Thursday, Fridayand Saturday, five to nine pm,

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and I think they're I'm sorryThursday and Friday.
They're open five to nine.
Saturday, they're only openeleven to nine.
They're open eleven to ninethirty.
So coolest thing about them,though, is they often frequently
that's the same word, anyway.
They frequently deliver lunchas a catering order to Angola,

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yeah, so like they call in theirorders and roll out there to
the prison to deliver them foodat the prison, which I thought
was pretty interesting.
There's also a place calledBailey's Bar and Grocery, or Bar
and Grocery and Grill, not sure, but literally there's nothing
else out there, and the onlyother thing that I found of any

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significance is there's aplantation.
It's called Solitude Plantation, and it was recognized as a
historical monument orhistorical landmark back in I
want to say 97, 98.
And it was registered privately.
You have a hard time locatingit.

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I think I found it, but I'm notreally sure.
Time locating it.
I think I found it, but I'm notreally sure.
Uh, they say that it's one ofthe very, very few houses that
still have like the creolegothic vibe, which I found
fascinating.
Uh, there are only so many ofthose type of plantations with
that type of architecture in theentire state like four or five,

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I think, is what it said, whichis really cool.
Don't know why anybody wouldbuild a plantation of such like
essence in a place calledSolitude, but there you have it
and, like I said, it's about 19minor miles from Slaughter.
So I don't know why Lee andJackie decided to get married

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there, but that's where ithappened.
That was in 1988.
So, again, within a couplemonths of that happening about
six months of that happening atage 21, he got arrested again
and he pled guilty totrespassing, but he was only
sentenced.

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In the plea deal he wassentenced to therapy, like
voluntary therapy, like he hadto show up.
They let him go and then, hey,yeah, come on back for therapy.
How well do y'all think thatwent over?
Yeah, it didn't.
It didn't go over because hedidn't show up.
So again, he got away withliterally not even a slap on the

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wrist.
Again, he got away withliterally not even a slap on the
wrist.
He just got to go so real quickbefore we get too much further
into his now married, slowlyaccumulating a record life.
I'm going to talk about hisfamily one more time, because I

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talked about the stepdad beingphysically abusive and I want to
talk about, real quick, the,his biological father, who,
according to everything that Iread and the citations and
resources that I'll have on the70s, 71, they never got married.
The bio dad and his mom.
They never got married and heended up going back to his ex or

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first wife and then divorcedher and there was a series of
domestic violence that happenedthroughout both marriages as
well.
As in 1991 he actually wasarrested for an attempted
manslaughter of his second wifeand, according to sources, he
had severe mental issues and bythe end it wasn't.

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It was probably not mid-90s orif it was mid to late 90s.
He was actuallyinstitutionalized because he was
incompetent to stand trial andeventually regained competency,
but never really was not amental case.
So that's the background thathe's coming from and the
environment that he was prone to, even if it was only for a

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little while between him beingborn and his younger sister
being born and as early as nineyears old, there were peeping
Tom rumors that surrounded Lee.
He was a little slow.
According to everybody thatknew him, he was in special ed.
His IQ tested at the highestwas a 91, but the normal range

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between 70 and 75.
And his mom was only 17 when hewas born and he was already her
second child.
They lived with their mom's mom, his grandmother and you know
he was ridiculed and bullied alot.
He was still a thumb suckerwhile he was in school, at

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school age, and he got made funof a lot for that.
He got picked on a lot.
He was still a thumb suckerwhile he was in school, at
school age, and he got made funof a lot for that.
He got picked on a lot and herealized early the benefit of
lying about things that he haddone.
So instead of, you know,admitting things and taking
responsibility for his actions,he just would never accept it
and he would never admit to it.
So he learned that from a very,very early age.

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So Initially our Baton Rougestrangler was actually referred

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to as the Baton or, I'm sorry,originally our Baton Rouge
serial killer was known as theBaton Rouge strangler.
He started off his criminalcareer, like I said, with petty
crimes, the vandalism, burglaryand I say petty, but you know he

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pulled a knife in a fight and acouple more in 1989.
He had a trespass.
That was the one.
He was sentenced to therapy.
He didn't show up.
And then later that same yearhe had a disturbing the peace.
He didn't show up.
And then later that same yearhe had a disturbing the peace,
didn't go to jail, just had afine.
And again a month later gotinto a bar fight.
Disturbing the peace, no jail,just a fine.

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And these things just slowlykind of built and he had hard
time, a hard time keeping steadywork.
Uh, he was mostly a laborer bytrade, like he would.
He did pipe fitting, he didconcrete work, I think he drove
a truck for a little while, butfor the most part he had a hard
time keeping steady employment.
And at the end of 89, or 90, hewas, you know, trying to find

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his place.
And he had been married to hiswife now for two years and I
believe they had already had twochildren at that point, or at
least one child at that point,and the initial problem started
because, you know, their, theirstuff started kind of trying to
break down a little bit.

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Know, their, their stuffstarted kind of trying to break
down a little bit and he started, like I said, at nine age nine
there were rumors of him being apeeping tom and that
thrill-seeking behavior in histhat was a an established
behavior from early in his lifethat just continued to snowball.

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It had to.
You had to do more to up theante to get the same kind of
feeling or effect that it gaveyou initially, right?
So stalking has to turn intosomething else.
That has to lead to somethingelse.
Now, when he initially haddifferent people come to the

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different police stations andsay, hey, this guy's been
outside my daughter's window, Ineed you to do something about
this.
And without any kind ofconcrete evidence, they can't
just go arrest him.
They can go and reprimand him,they can go and tell him.
You know, hey, these people saythat you're harassing their
daughter.
You need to stop.
And this continued to happen.
He was always involved in thesekind of peeping Tom, stalkerish

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behaviors.
Now, the really crazy part isthat I guess because he was
decent looking and hismannerisms weren't overtly
aggressive I mean because peoplestill quoted, as are still
quoted as him being like adecent guy, like he was a.

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He had a friendly personality,even though he was a womanizer,
and I think that had a lot to dowith his later propensity for
violence was when he gotrejected, and then he started
not even giving them a chance tobe rejected.
But that's just myunprofessional professional
opinion.
So they believe, according toall of the sources, that in 1992

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he murdered his first victim.
Her name was Connie Warner.
That was on August 23rd of 1992.
She was from Zachary, Louisiana, which is a place that
apparently was one of hisfavorite hunting grounds, and

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Miss Connie Warner was 41 yearsold at the time of her death.
She was found nude and abandonedin a ditch by a trash truck
driver, I believe, and atautopsy they found that she had
major skull fractures and theysurmised that she was beat to

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death with a hammer and then herbody was dumped elsewhere.
When they went back andreturned to check on her house,
there was no sign of forcedentry, but her vehicle and
things were still there.
So she had to have been takenfrom her home, and that was in
the Oak Shadows subdivision inZachary.
Now, another unfortunate turnof events there was no DNA
because her body had been dumpedwithin a couple days of

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Hurricane Andrew coming throughLouisiana and her body wasn't
found for almost five months, orfour months for sure.
And so you combine thehurricane weather on top of
decomposition and outsideeverything, all of the

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circumstances.
There was no possibility.
And we're in 1992, very infantstages.
There was no DNA to connect, tocollect.
If there was, it was sominuscule they didn't figure
they'd ever be able to use it.
So they ended up putting thatin the cold case shelf and

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leaving it for a while.
So that same year, in Novemberof 92, he was Lee, now was 23
years old he got arrested foranother burglary and for
resisting an officer.
Now, that house that he gotarrested for burglarizing was a

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house that was on the samestreet as Connie Warner, just a
couple of doors down.
Now another funny not reallyfunny, but incredible part of
this is he got out on bond forthat burglary.
Right while he was out on bondhe had committed another robbery

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.
And then not just anotherrobbery, but he also assaulted
two teenagers that were likesitting in a car, parked
quote-unquote outside of acemetery, out right in front of
that same subdivision, OakShadows, and he took a freaking

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farm tool it was uh like like along rake basically and beat
them with it.
Now they both survived,permanently maimed and forever
scarred mentally from this event.
But they both survived.
But this was all like he was onbail for another crime.

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So in the interim from fromNovember 92 until May of 93,
when he was actually sentenced,he committed two major crimes in
that in that in between.
So he was sentenced to fouryears in prison but he only
served two.
He was released in July of 1995at age 26.

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And within a couple of days hetook his family and they moved
to Lake Charles.
Now, on September 6th of 95, hegot another peeping Tom or a
peeping arrest.
On September 24th he gotanother arrest for theft.
So they went back on September26th.

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So it was the 6th, the 24th andthen the 26th they went back to
St Francisville.
He was like I'm not doing this,I don't like it over here, I
get caught too much.
So they moved back.
Now, after they moved back to StFrancisville, Jackie, his wife,
her biological father and heronly father that I'm aware of, I
don't think she had any steps,but he ended up getting killed

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in a factory incident and shegot a quarter million dollar
settlement which suited lee justfine, because now not only was
he cute and kind of charming,but now he he could dress the
part, he could put on his fancyclothes, he could get his fancy
jewelry and he could fund all ofhis womanizing partaking.

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And unfortunately, Jackie wasnot the stand by old man kind of
woman.
She was very much so I don'tcare what you do, as long as it
doesn't bother me type woman.
So she realized that he wasgoing out and like cheating on
her and sleeping around, like heeven had an established

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girlfriend here in just a yearor so and she was okay with it
because she was like, well, ifhe's not here, he's not in my
hair bothering me, if he's nothere, he's not in my hair
bothering me.
So he'd go out, circle all thebars, pay all the women, do his
womanizing schemes and then he'dcome back.
She actually ended up later, um, filing for like abandonment of

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family and duties and all that,and then he would come back and
they'd get along for a littlebit, but then he'd leave again.
So he was almost it was like anin and out type of thing and he
had the freedom to go and dowhatever, because she didn't
ever really check up on him, shedidn't keep track of him, she
kind of.
And I think she said later inan interview I just kind of
turned my head and looked theother way because I didn't want
to have to deal with it.

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So they moved back to StFrancisville in September of 95,
the end of September, and byFebruary of 97, he's 28 years
old and he gets a DWI.
Hilariously, eight days laterhe passes his CDL commercial
driver's license test and healso the same day got caught in

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the act of peeping and eventhough he was identified by the
eyewitness, the police didn'tcharge him.
Tell me this man was not goodat talking his way out of a
situation.
He had to have been masterful,which makes you wonder about
that.
75 IQ, maybe he was just a badtest taker.
75 IQ, maybe he was just a badtest taker, anyway.

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So before we get on to the nextportion here, I want to stop
and mention that that was um.
This is, this is February.
He gets a CDL.
Um, the other uh charges fromLake Charles.

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They didn't file theinformation on time and they
were statute limitations.
So he got off on those, noproblem.
In may of 97 he was hired by acompany called Readi mix to
drive big cement trucks right.
So here's where we're going toventure back to our Eugene
Boifontaine episode.
And the more I read about lee,the more I'm convinced that he's
the one who murdered her.

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Now we only have one victim sofar, but we'll see.
In the rest we'll see thesimilarities and the very
consistent mo and all of it.
All of it just seems to matchup and the location and where
she was at.
And now the biggest gap in hismurder extravaganza here they

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say it's from 92 to 98, which issix years.
Okay, if you put Eugenie inthere in 1997, June of 1997,
that breaks that down to only afive years between the first and
the second, and then it puts itonly over right under a year

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between the second and the third, which in my mind makes a
little bit more sense.
And because of the location andbecause of the different places
that he bounces in between, itactually makes all the sense
because he wouldn't have wantedto do two back-to-back in the
same place, because that's howhe, that's kind of how he did
things.
He, he jumped from one town tothe other and kind of spread
them out that way.

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So it took them longer torealize that it was all the same
person, which again, 75 IQ.
I'm not buying it.
So June of 1997, Eugenie wasmissing, murdered.
She was found in Iberville,Manchac Bayou; We've talked
about this.
Her body had been out there fortwo months, so probably was
closer.
I think you know she wasmissing in June.

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Her body was found in August.
So she lived on Stanford Avenue, which we already know.
Her cause of death was a bluntforce trauma to the back of her
head, because that was reallyliterally all they could find of
her.
They did get DNA which was later, in the Killing Fields,
determined to not be Lee's.
However, that doesn't meananything in my book, honestly,

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because she was out there foralmost two or over two months in
the elements.
I'm surprised they found anydna at all.
But the fact that they did, andthen it wasn't his, doesn't
mean anything to me.
It doesn't because everythingelse freaking fits.
Her body was dumped.
She was further, far away fromher house, far enough away, and

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you will again, we'll see thiswith later victims.
But she was on the same road.
She lived alone.
She jogged around the lake.
She was on lsu campus.
She was an old LSU student.
She lived out doors down fromthese other victims.
It just all of it computes, itall makes sense.
So if the husband didn't do it,it was definitely derritably.
So we can move forward now, nowthat I've got my conspiracy

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theory out there.
So 1997, in July, the very endof July, he got seven counts of
peeping and was sentenced to sixmonths and I think he served
all of that and ended up gettingback out in 98 or so.
Most of that got out for goodbehavior in the beginning of

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January and he had a criminaland burglary criminal trespass
and burglary and that was sinceto two years probation and the
psych eval.
Now he actually did go to thisone, but it was man like.
It was mandatory.
He didn't have an option to notto.
If he hadn't, he would havebeen put back in jail because it
would have been a violation ofprobation and his doctor had

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such raving things to say abouthim.
He was such a good person likenot a good person, but he was a
good client, he was a goodpatient.
So that was in april of 1998, umthree days after he was
sentenced to two years probation, he ended up murdering Randy

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Mebruer.
Now her body was never found,but they could make assumptions
based on what they found at thecrime scene.
The reason and the way that shewas noted to have had something
terrible happen was herthree-year-old son was found
wandering down the streetcovered in blood.

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Now he was perfectly fine, sochill the motor.
However, when the friend whofound him wandering took him
back to the house to help himfind his mom, ring took him back
to the house to help him findhis mom, he walked into a
bloodbath, which is also, eerilyenough, the name of a novel

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that was written about DerrickTodd Lee, but we'll get to that
in a bit.
So, Randi, like I said, her bodywas never found, but there was
DNA that they found at the sceneon a pink trash bag that had
been left by the door, and thepictures of this crime scene are
just brutal.
She was obviously attacked inthe same bedroom where she and

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her son had been sleepingtogether like not in, not in the
same bed or anything, but theywere in the same room sleep and
she'd obviously been dragged forthere and they could tell that
because there was a trail ofblood on the carpet that led all
the way to the living room.
They could also tell that shehad been hit incredibly hard in

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the back of the head, so hard infact, and this is how they know
, and in the picture you can seeit for yourself she was hit so
hard that both of her contactswere knocked out of her head and
onto the carpet and they werestill in the position where they
had come out of her eyes ontothe carpet.
And guess where she lived, guys, oak Shadows.

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Oak Shadows, subdivision yes,spitting distance of Connie
Warner's house.
So, like I said, they did findDNA on one of the trash bags,
but then they, you know, savedit away, put it away and saved
it for later.

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And funnily enough that he wasactually interviewed as a
suspect in this murder, becausethe people and the officers and
investigators around Zacharyabsolutely knew who he was
because of the peeping arrestsand all of the other things that
he'd been getting into troublefor over the years.
He was the first thought, hewas the first and pretty much

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the only suspect, even thoughthey did work their
investigation to all ends, worktheir investigation to all ends,
but they had no physicalevidence.
They actually confiscated hisshirt and pants and I think
maybe his shoes too.
I don't remember if they tookhis shoes, but I know they took
his pants for sure when they didthat interview.
But nothing came of it.
So August of that year he gotanother stalking and unlawful

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entry charge and that was with alady named Colette Walker.
There's also an ID episode fromher perspective of the whole
situation and her rememberingwatching these news broadcasts
of all these women going missingand then being found dead and

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the way that they were and allof these things that had
happened, and her immediatethought was, oh, that sounds
like something he would do.
But then, because of the FBI umanalysis that came out and the
profile, she was like, oh, thenit can't be him.

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And again, we'll get to that ina second.
So he was arrested on that.
Basically, he forced his wayinto her apartment and was
trying to convince her to go ona date with him.
She eventually got him out andthen she filed press charges.
They sent out a warrant forstalking and then he got
arrested and then his familybailed him out and then she
filed press charges.
They sent out a warrant forstalking and then he got
arrested and then his familybailed him out um, that was at

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the beginning of December in 99and then on the 17th of December
he pled guilty.
He had six months but he gotcredit for time served because
he was in jail from August untilDecember and then he was put
again on two years probation.
Funnily enough, after thathappened, same freaking day, his

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girlfriend called the policebecause he was threatening to
kill her, which were charges shelater dropped.
Now this is where it starts tokind of speed up.
So far we have Connie Warnerand Randi Mebruer that are both
confirmed to have been victims,and I'm assuming it was Eugenie

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as well.
So two, maybe three, before weever get into the year 2000.
Now, 2000 was pretty uneventfulfor him.
He probably had a couple ofother little dinghies here there
and off jobs in jobs, off jobs,and by 2001 September 24th he

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had done it again.
41 year old Gina Wilson Green,who also lived on guess where
she lived guys, stanford avenue.
And I've got an excellent mapof the victims and the pinpoints
and I'll put that on thewebsite as well as on uh twitter
.
And she was on Stanford Avenue,just a couple houses down from

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where Eugenie was abducted orwhere she lived at at the time
that she went missing and thenwas found dead.
She, miss Gina Green, was foundum strangled.
She had been sexually assaultedand raped and her body was

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found to have been well she.
Her autopsy said that she wasasphyxiated by strangulation.
She lived alone, she was adivorcee you sound familiar and
she lived right off of the LSUcampus.
So it didn't take him long.
That was in September.
September 24th, she lived offof Stanford Avenue.

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And then, January 14th of 2002,Geralyn DeSoto, age 2.
She lived off of Highway 1 inBaton Rouge.
She was found dead in herapartment.
She was hit over the head witha phone.
She was stabbed three times andher throat was cut from ear to

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ear and if that wasn't badenough, he stomped her body
after she was already dead.
So just vicious, taking out allof the anger and aggression.
And they did recover DNA fromthat scene.
And they did recover DNA fromthat scene.

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She was actually a I think itwas pre-med student at LSU, so
she was actually currentlyenrolled.
So again, another one of thoseconnecting fibers.
And I don't know if I mentionedthis.
But up until this point andfurther on, until we get to one
of the last victims.

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They were all white women, butif you've noticed, the age
ranges are crazy.
So you've got 41 year old, 41year old, 21 year old.
So Randy was 28 and you gotCharlotte Murray Pace, the next
victim.
She was 21.
Geralyn DeSoto was 21.
Gina Green was 41.

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And then you have two othervictims that were well into
their 40s and then another, likeit's just, he's all over the
place with the age.
So I don't think it hadanything to do with age so much
as it did just being a woman.
And now I'm not sure if hespecifically was targeting white
women, because he alwaystargeted, like rich posh,

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well-to-do women, and I don'tknow if that was him, you know,
taking out the anger andaggression on somebody he
thought would think they werebetter than him.
Maybe I don't know, it's hardto know for sure because you
know psychos, but it'sinteresting because usually when

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you have serial killers theystick to either a certain age
group or they stick to a certainrace or they stick to you know,
there there's somethingspecific.
But he was really just womenand the convenience or the
frequency area like the samelocale, so they were in his

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comfort zone, I guess, is a goodway to put that.
So, speaking of Charlotte MurrayPace, she was a 21-year-old
student that was on SharloAvenue in South Baton Rouge and
one of her roommates came hometo an actual massacre.
Now, Charlotte was in excellentshape.

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She ran three or four times aweek.
She was 21 years old, prime ofher life, and she was a fighter.
If you know nothing else abouther, everything points to her
having fought to her very lastbreath.
And we say that because this isthe only victim of his that was

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just completely and utterlyviolated, mutilated, overkill,
okay, and this is in the middleof his, his killing series.
So it's weird, but it makessense, because if she was
fighting him then he would getmore angry and more violent.
So she was stabbed over 80times with a flathead

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screwdriver, then he beat herwith a clothes iron and slit her
throat.
She was also sexually molestedand they believe that he raped
her post-mortem, but not likehours later, just after she was

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dead and could no longerstruggle, because apparently he
couldn't get that shit donewhile she was alive, because she
wasn't having it so good foryou, girl.
One of the quotes that stoodout was her body was so violated
.
I never forgot that scene forthe rest of my life.
Her address was three doorsdown from the prior victim,

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Geralyn DeSoto, and all of theseare around the LSU lakes.
That who was that?
Oh yeah, Eugenie used to gojogging around where her ID and
things were found under a lightpole, but he didn't do that one,
let's see.
DNA was also found at this scene.

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Obviously, because that bad ofa struggle, that much of a fight
put up, you're going to losethings and he did.
DNA was found at that scene aswell and a footprint with, uh,
like a 10 to 11 size shoe, aRawling tennis shoe, and I guess
she pissed him off enough thathe barely waited a month and a

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couple days to kill again.
And, unfortunately, miss PamKinamore.
She went missing in early julyand her body was found later
under Whiskey Bay bridge, whichis, if you go on i-10 coming

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straight out of Baton Rouge,you'll go over Whiskey Bay and
that's.
It's right before AtchafalayaNational Forest and we'll hear
that name again.
So Whiskey Bay Bridge, notAtchafalaya, but same thing.
So her throat was slashed andshe was raped and they found DNA
.

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Now, all of these houses, ever,all of his victims, victims none
of their houses showed any signof forced entry, and here in a
minute we'll figure out why.
But that was another commonfactor and, if you remember,
Eugenie's house had no signs offorced entry.
So now, July of 2002 is whenthe FBI finally broke down and

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was like look, this is obviouslygot to be a serial killer.
These are all women within thesame literal mile and a half two
miles of each other, except forthe two up in Zachary right.
They didn't even include themin their initial profile.
So the FBI profile that came out, though because of misleading
tips and misinformation thatthey were given, came out to say

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that it was a white male, 30 to40, and all of the other
aspects of their profile werepretty close to accurate.
But the biggest problem wasthey said it was a white male in
a white truck.
Problem was, they said it was awhite male in a white truck
that was what an eyewitness saidbecause they were associating

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these murders with a rape thathad happened in Mississippi.
Now, this was a massive misstepon the investigators part, and
they admitted as much later,later.
Um, but up to that point, theFBI criminal backgrounds and
profiles that were created werepretty dead on, because, you
know, it's not an exact sciencebut it's a psychological

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behavior, um, that can be prettywell, you know, documented, and
there's good reason behind it,good science behind it for the
most part.
But they were just completelyand utterly wrong in this point,
um, and I think that had moreto do with the, the eyewitnesses
, that they were just completelyand utterly wrong in this point
, um, and I think that had moreto do with the, the eyewitnesses
that they were taking as fact,that were in truth and honestly

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had nothing to do with it.
So it kind of gave derrita leea free pass.
However it is, it is funny,kind of funny to note.
They're not really funny, but Iremember I told you at this
time in baton rouge there was atleast two, and I think three
actually overlapped of serialkillers that overlapped at the
same time in Baton Rouge.
Two of them were black, one ofthem was white and the white guy

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, sean Vincent Gillis, wecovered last episode.
So I mean, so Derrick Todd Leeat this point got kind of a free
pass, like I said, because he'sa black guy rolling around, not
in a white truck, and nobody'ssuspecting him, except for the
people, the investigators up inZachary, who have suspected him

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since Randi Mebruer died,murdered, because they again,
they never found her body and hewould never give up that
information, even after he wasarrested.
Now, that was in July of 2002when they released the profile,
and then in September, September21st of 2002, this is when

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Trenisha Colomb I think it'sColomb Colomb is it Colomb?
She was a Marine, she was 23years old and she went missing
on November 21st first.

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Now her body was later foundnude, dumped in a wooded area of
St Landry.
Her cause of death had been abludgeoning and this was the
first one to have ever, but acouple, couple new things.

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She was the first black woman,and only black woman.
She was the only one that wasattacked, not in her home, she
was actually attacked as she wasvisiting her mother's gravesite
at a cemetery and he attackedher there and then took her body
to St Landry, parish and dumpedher, and this was the only

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murder that committed outside ofthe Baton Rouge area.
So a lot of, a lot of firststhere.
She was raped, she was beaten,her throat was cut as well, um,
and or no, I'm sorry, I'm gonnafuck that, scratch that.
Sorry, kayla.
So she was bludgeoned, she wasraped.
Um, I don't have it noted thatthey found DNA on her, but again

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, this is one of those ones thatit absolutely was him.
So now we get to.
We get to Dianne Alexander.
She was living alone in herapartment when that was November

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of 2002.
So back in June he had gothired at Exxon.
He had got hired at Exxon and alittle over a month later
Dianne Alexander was at home byherself and she went to the door
after someone had knocked.
It was Mr.
Lee.
He asked if he could use thephone, so she went and got it.

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When she opened the door tohand it to him, he forced his
way in.
He then continued, or proceededto beat and strangle her with
the phone cord and thenattempted to rape her.
However, Dianne's son arrivedand scared him off, so he took
off and fled.
Now this is the first time thata victim has been left alive.

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This is finally when theperception of a white guy in a
white truck gets shifted.
Now we know it's a black man,because this fits the MO
perfectly.
There's no forced entry.
He was trying to rape her.
She was going to be strangled.
He was beating the shit out ofher.
All of these things line up.
She was in the same generalarea and now they had an

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eyewitness to do, an actualsketch of the person that they
were looking for and not theincorrect FBI behavior profile.
Okay Now, do you remember whenI mentioned Colette back in 99,
I think that's the ID episode.
I think it's world's most evilkillers.
Anyway, Colette sees the newscast of Diane's story and then

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she sees the sketch and she says, oh my God, it is him.
And then she calls and tellsthem about her stalking events
that she had with um Lee and thefact that she had to press
charges against him.
And then he moved away and youknow she didn't really have to
deal with it after that becauseshe moved to Mississippi or
wherever she went to and thiskind of came full circle because

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Colette had lived in the samearea as Randi Mebruer up there
in Zachary.
So now they're finally tyingall this shit together.
Tanisha dies in November.
She's murdered in November andthen, in March of 2003, Carrie

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Lynn Yoder, a 26-year-olddoctoral candidate at LSU who
also lived alone.
She only lived a few miles fromGina Green and Charlotte Murray
Pace.
She went missing from her homeand was found March 13th.

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Guess where she was Whiskey BayBridge, within literal steps of
where they had previously found, within steps of where they had
found Pam Kinamore back in Julyof 02.
And you see what I'm sayingabout him like skipping around,

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he goes from one place toanother and kind of back and
forth it.
Because in this instance hemurdered and dumped Pam Kinamore
in Whiskey Bay Bridge and thenhe went back to Trinieshia and
dropped her in St Landry parish,and then when he murdered Yoder

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, he dropped her at Whiskey BayBridge.
And like you see, he does thislike back and forth, kind of
teeter-totter to where itdoesn't, you know, keep
everything in one spot and makeit easier to catch on.
So I just again I'm gonnareiterate this I don't believe
the 75 IQ test.
I think he was just a bad testtaker in my opinion, especially

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when you look at the trial stuffhere in a bit and the testing
he did in that situation.
So she had been beaten, MsCarrie Lynn Yoder, 26.
She had been beaten andstrangled.
She had fractured ribs andlacerated liver.
She was also raped fracturedribs and lacerated liver.
She was also raped.
She had enough DNA that theydid get a good confirmation.

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Now they confirmed earlier fromone of the earlier victims that
this was all the same personand that's.
I think that was back in 2002when they released the profile
because they realized all theDNA match.
So once they did that and hadall of that part of the puzzle
put together, by the time CarrieLynn Yoder was murdered in

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March of 03, they were like wegotta do something about this.
And this was right after theyhad got the call from Colette,
they got the sketch from umDianne, so now they had a lot
more to go with.
And finally they start talkingto the investigators in Zachary,
because from the very beginning, when randy had been murdered

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back in 97, 98, whatever wasthey kind of wrote them off and
were like let us do ourinvestigation, we know how to do
this better than you.
And it kind of came full circleand they had to come back and
say, hey, you guys, you did it.
You know, because the ZacharyInvestigators actually pulled an

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old gumshoe investigator outand with his just
boots-to-the-ground police workhe ended up putting these things
together in a way that he endedup, oh, okay, so I'm pretty

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sure he ended up getting a cupor something from derrick todley
and asking for a subpoena to beable to get his actual dna.
And that's how they eventuallycame to request his dna and,
oddly enough wouldn't, wouldn'tyou know?
It turned out to be a match toall of these women and to diane,

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and then she confirmed him in aphoto lineup.
But all of that was irrelevant.
They had dna.
And also, oddly enough, thesame day that he gave his dna
sample to the zachary policeinvestigators, his wife pulled
both their children out ofschool and told everybody they
were going to live with familyin Los Angeles.

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Except they didn't, theyactually went to Illinois, I
believe, first by the time theygot the confirmation on May 25th
of 03, that the DNA was a matchand they realized that they
knew exactly who the Baton Rougeserial killer was.
Now they couldn't find him andI believe he skipped town, went

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to Illinois first and then hewent to another part of the
country where his family wasn't.
Like I said, I think this wasprobably the first time he ever
actually went anywhere outsideof Louisiana, because I mean,
like he had family in otherplaces he probably visited, but,
like in any length of time, hemajority of the time he just

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spent his life in Louisiana andhe ended up in Atlanta and the
reason they found this out.
You remember how I told you hehad girlfriends and stuff
earlier.
Well, he had one steadygirlfriend.
Her name was Cassandra.
He ended up actually having achild with her that he gave his
name to.
His name was Diedrich, Ibelieve, diedrich Lee, and that

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was the most steady girlfriendhe had outside of his wife
relationship.
They had gone back and forthand she actually had called the
police on him a few times andalways dropped the charges, of
course.
But she was standing at her inher home when the police were
executing a search warrant onher house that she had been
sharing with lee.
And on may 26, while they weredoing this, lee called her and

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when he called the police werepresent, looked over her
shoulder, saw the area code wasfrom an atlanta area code.
They told the atlanta policeand they picked him up that same
day or within that same 24hours.
Right now everybody could take abig deep breath and sigh of

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relief that the serial killer ofBaton Rouge was caught, except,
unfortunately, they still hadtwo more out there.
But they didn't put that parttogether quite yet, although
Sean Vincent Gillis and I didmention this in my episode last.
He actually was taking note andcollecting newspaper clippings

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of Derek Todd Lee and whatevereverything that happened, and he
felt like it was a competitionand he had to one up him.
When he realized that Derek hadkilled one more or Lee had
killed one more person than hehad, he had to go out and commit
another murder.
Yeah, that's, that's what we'redealing with here.
So May 27th of 2003, derricktodd lee was arrested.

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He didn't fight extradition, sohe was pretty quickly
transferred back to louisiana.
He'd already was had enough ofhis fill of being outside of the
boot.
He was ready to go back.
Now this all happened prettyquickly.
He never talked.
He never could.
He never admitted to anything.
Like I said, from earlychildhood, he realized like deny

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till you die was his way to goum, unfortunately he didn't
manage to talk.
Well, unfortunately for him, hedidn't manage to talk his way
out of these charges, thoughlike he seemed to do his entire
freaking life.
For whatever reason, they justwouldn't let these ones go um.
Now the in cases of serialkillers and you'll see this in a

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lot of cases, especially whenit comes to trials and the
prosecutors and what they decideto actually charge and try
because, logically, it makes themost sense to go with what you
have the strongest chance ofwinning.
It makes the most sense,obviously, you're not going to
go in there with the flimsycircumstantial case when you

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have a rock-solid DNA dang neareyewitness case.
Instead, if that's the optionsthat you have, you're going to
go with the strong case.
You're not going to lead withthe flimsy case, right, so
that's what they did.
Gonna go with the strong case.
You're not gonna lead with theflimsy case, right, so that's
what they did.
And in his case, derek ToddLee's strongest, the strongest
case they had against him wasGerilyn DeSoto and her murder

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trial started in August, andthat was August 5th of 2004.
It lasted for four days andthen the prosecution rested, and
that was after Derek Todd Lee'sson identified the boots that
they had matched to thefootprints from outside of her
house.
And on August 10th of 2004, thejury came back after two hours

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and found him guilty of seconddegree murder.
I know, I know you're askinglike oh well, why didn't they
first do it?
Well, because that's theevidence that they had and they
were good with that for thatcase.
Now, second degree murder comeswith an automatic life without
parole sentence.
We know this with the LWOP.
We've been around long enoughor you guys, hopefully, have
listened to enough of myepisodes to know Second degree

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murder automatic life withoutparole, probation or suspension
of sentence, no benefits, andswiftly.
Thereafter, within the month,actually less than a month on
September 13th of the same year,2004, the murder trial of
Charlottelotte marie pacestarted, and this one took a lot

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longer.
There were a lot more motionsfiled.
There were a lot more.
There was a lot more tape to gothrough.
They asked for change of venue,they asked for change of
everything.
They wanted people recused.
I mean, they pulled out all thestops.
Now the first day of the okay.
So the jurors were.
Jury selection was completed onSeptember 29th.

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Okay, the first day of actualproceedings started October 4th.
There were over 100 pictures ofthe crime scene and of
Charlotte's body.
So a lot of time 100, 100pictures.
Okay.
Now on the 11th of October.

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We started on the 4th.
Remember, 11th of October?
Diane Alexander, the onlysurviving victim of the attacks,
like Charlotte or Colette, hadbeen a stalking victim, but not
any actual assault.
But she got on the stand andshe looked him in the eye and
she testified that is the manwho beat me, tried to rape me

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and would have killed me if myson had not showed up.
And on the 12th of October thejury, after 93 minutes, found
him guilty of first degreemurder and recommended the death
sentence.
Now you have a whole othertrial when the death sentence is

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an option, because yoursentencing is one thing.
It's outside of the actualtrial, which is also why they
have to take at least a 24 to 48hour break.
I don't remember right thissecond which one it is, but I
think it's 48.
But either way, you have tohave a cooling down time for the
jury and the judge to be ableto come back before they have

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actual sentencing.
Now the jury recommended thedeath sentence before they have
actual sentencing.
Now the jury recommended thedeath sentence.
The defense was trying theirdangness to argue.
Well, look at his mental health, look at all of these.
You know his IQ is too low andthis is an actual statute.
You can't prosecute someone andhave them serve and their

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sentence be the death penalty iftheir IQ is below the average
for a non-handicapped person.
So you have to be at a normalIQ level to be able to be
eligible for the death penalty.
However, they were able to usehis ability to function in

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intense, you know, highlycomplex job positions, and this
was about like the layouts andblueprints and the integral
parts and schematics of thedifferent jobs, as well as
passing his commercial driver'slicense test.

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So good for you, buddy.
But it came back to bite him inthe ass because it proved that,
even though his IQ testingbecause during the trial his
testing rates for the IQ were atlike 40, 41 and 45, where he
was testing at 70 to 75 and 91at his highest in his youth Now
you know we do get dumber to acertain point, but he is still

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literally only 35, 36 at thispoint.
He has not begun his downwarddescent into not remembering
things.
So he should have been testingeither at the same level or
maybe, you know, within a fiveor six point buffer on either
side, but he was testing in the40s, which is obviously below

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the special line, and theprosecution argued so well and
had all these other provingevidence.
It's not mitigating factors,it's the other one primitating,
I don't know.
Anyway, they could show that hedid have a higher level of
thinking, of complexunderstanding, and knew

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everything that he was doing andwas eligible for the death
sentence and the judge agreedsentence and the judge agreed
and on december 11th, at age 36,derrick todd lee was formally
sentenced to death.
Now, after this, things kind ofslowly wind down and are a

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little bit anticlimactic.
Um, he was.
He was sent off to angola,which was the same place that he
had been, you know, committingthese crimes and abducting these
women within miles of inzachary, because zachary was
maybe about 35, 40 minutes fromangola.
And they shipped him out and hekept him over there and that's

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where he stayed and they thoughtabout doing other trials for
these other people.
But you've already got a deathsentence, you don't need to do
it again.
And actually there was no trialfor Trenisha and they kind of
understood that.
Diane for her charges, actuallyin february of 2005 she

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requested that they dismiss hers.
Um, she, she said that shedidn't want those hanging over
her head, she didn't want tohave to go through all of that.
She'd already faced him incourt, she had done what she
needed to do for her own closureand just wanted to move on with
her life.
And they agreed, they droppedthe charges, they dismissed them
in may of 2005.
At the end of may.

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He filed an appeal.
They requested a new trial.
Uh, all of those requests weredenied.
His appeal was affirmed and hestayed, his happy ass, in jail.
Now there was a mandatoryreview by the supreme court, as
is the case with all deathsentences, and they came back

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and said nah, dude, you'restaying in jail.
So here's an interesting factand thing.
So back when these were stilloccurring, these murders were
still happening, crime Stoppershad put up billboards, I mean,
like there was, there werethings everywhere.
Call us if you see anything youknow, let us know if you

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provide the tip that leads tothe arrest of this person
committing these crimes.
I think it reward.
And in march of 2006, dianeactually diane alexander, the
surviving victim of derrick toddlee, she sued crime stoppers

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because they refused to give herthe reward because they said
she was not eligible.
Now, get this.
The reason that she wasn'teligible was because she didn't
report the, the tip, or shedidn't allege who it was until
after august of oh, hang on,what year was it she?

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Basically they're saying thatshe didn't make it within the
timeline that she was.
They were supposed to only havea time limit.
You could only if you reportedit before this date, then you
would have got the reward.
Um, let me see here, I gottafind it now.
It's gonna piss me off.
Oh, I didn't even mention thispart, but I think I should and
I'll probably just chop it backin.

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But while he had fled in betweenthe time of May and when they
finally picked him up at the endof May, so it was like, all
right, so they took his DNA andhe took off May 5th.
They conclusively matched theDNA on the 25th, so it was 20

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days after he had already left.
And then he called hisgirlfriend from Atlanta number
on the 26th of May and they gothim on the 27th, so it was 22
days from the time that he gavethem DNA to the time that they
picked him up.
Right, well, during that timehe had been staying at a hotel
in Atlanta, all right, that'swhere they ended up.
Arresting him was at that hotel,I don't know some hotel where

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he was barbecuing for all of theother people who were staying
there and having a gay old time,and they just couldn't believe
that they were picking this guyup for murder.
He was so friendly and hebarbecued, right Right, he
couldn't be a killer.
He knows how to cook On a grill, of all things.

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All right, he's so friendly andjust jovial and having a great
time.
Yeah, that's what happenedGrilling on the barbecue for the
people at the hotel, having agood time, yeah, so, after all

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was said and done, his entirewell, depending on where you
want to start, if you start withwho they believe was his first
victim, miss Connie Warner, itstarted in August 2000,.
I'm sorry, august 23rd 1992.

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And his last victim wasmurdered on March 3rd 2003.
He was arrested March 27th of2003 and then convicted of
second degree murder in 2004, inSeptember of I'm sorry, october

(01:12:14):
, oh my god, I can't talk Augustof 2004, and then convicted of
first degree murder andsentenced to death in December
of 2004, even though that trialstarted in September.
So basically, what it all boilsdown to is Crime Stoppers

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refused to give her the rewardbecause one, she didn't directly
give them the tip, because it'slike directly to the group, and
because they didn't give it tothem, give them the tip within a
certain amount of time.
So in 2006 it was and I'm sorry, it wasn't ten thousand dollars

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, it was a hundred and fiftythousand dollars was the crime
Stoppers reward.
Okay, that's what she sued for,but the Third Circuit Court of
Appeal affirmed the lower courtruling that she did not get that
reward.
So they said they were going tofurther appeal and pursue the

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case, but nothing that I foundever came of that.
Now the other interesting partafter all of this came out in
the wash when they were usingthe behavioral background
profile from the FBI as a whiteman remember the white man,
white truck they didna dragnetsall over the state, and I'm

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talking.
Hundreds upon hundreds uponhundreds of men were dna tested
and because it was such anegregious error of just there
was no possibility that it was awhite man, obviously, obviously
, and now they know it was ablack man.
They actually made a deal todestroy any of the DNA samples

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that were taken from those whitesuspects while they were
searching for the Baton Rougeserial killer.
And they, and they won, or theydecided and made that deal and
went forward with it and all ofthe DNA was destroyed from those

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white males in May of 2006.
Now, I'm sorry, it was approvedin June and it was destroyed
later that month.
Now there was an attempt by thedefense to obtain seven pages

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from the original trial'stranscript.
There's not a whole lot ofexplanation behind that.
I'm not sure if they weretrying to file some other sort
of appeal or some kind of mentalsomething.
There's no way of knowing.
Not sure if they were trying tofile some other sort of appeal
or some kind of mental something.
There's no way of knowing.
But that's pretty much the endof all of his legal stuff.
At that point he was sentencedto death by lethal injection.
That was at the end of 2004.

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They didn't do any other trialsor filing of charges against
him after that.
He was in Angola and that washis forever home until they got
through all of the processesthat they have to go through
that are mandatory for deathsentence cases, which basically
puts them on death row for 10 to15 years depending, unless

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you're in Texas.
He started murdering at age 23.
He had at least seven victims,possibly up to 10.
I believe he murdered Eugenie.
That's my opinion and only myopinion.
No one else is responsible forthat but me.

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That's just my opinion and I'velisted all the reasons why I
believe so, because I wasn'tconvinced when I did the Eugenie
episode.
But after I've done this andread through all of these things
and all of the information, I'mconvinced.
So, going back to his youth andfeeling bad for young child,

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adolescent, innocent Derek ToddLee, it's still.
It's still hard for me toaccept that it was anything but
his choice.
Um, he was known to have donedrugs.
He was known to be an alcoholic.
He frequented bars more oftenthan he frequented his home, so
he obviously had those issueswith he obviously had those

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issues with dependencies.
And then he also got his kicksfrom peeping and stalking and
the aggression of which you knowand that switch that he could
flip that psychotic, on-off,charming, smooth, handsome
womanizer to immediate beat youto a bloody pulp psycho.

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There were some signs as hegrew up.
He had actually been caughttorturing a dog and her puppies
and he was known to have been abedwetter into late childhood,
which is also an indicator.
Now we're getting into theserial killer triad here and

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there now, and it wasn't in hisyouth so much.
But he did have a past ofdealing with arson because he
had actually bought a vehicle inhis girlfriend's name.
He bought it for her, put it inher name and then, less than a
month later, set it on fire forthe insurance money.
It didn't work.
They didn't give him any money,but that does kind of show you
the propensity for fire andviolence, which will kind of put

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him into that triad of what weknow to be now the kind of hey,
these are the warning signs.
If you see all three of these,it's probably time to put that
one in therapy or somewhere safe.
So between 92 and 2004, at leastat the end of 2004, we knew

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that Derek Chodley could nolonger kill anybody.
Unfortunately for the city ofBaton Rouge.
He was not the only one outthere Baton Rouge, he was not
the only one out there, and hisvictims, like I said earlier,
they ranged in age from 21 allthe way to 44, I think was the
eldest, and when you break itall down, they were all white

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women.
They were all well off.
They were all white women, theywere all well off.
They were all strong,independent women.
And he took advantage of thatand he used his brute strength
and basically, oh, the otherthing that he would use was
their empathy.
He actually had a recording ofa baby crying and he would play

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that to get them to open theirdoor, to have that as an entry.
So that would explain the noforce entry, because they just
opened the door anyway.
They wanted to see what babywas crying and why nobody was
coming to help it.
The goodness of these women iswhat got them murdered, which is
pure evil, pure evil.
And the fact that he got awaywith so much shit when he was

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younger.
That should have been, you know, red sign, red flags all over
the freaking place, and heshould have been actually
punished for these things.
But he was just slapping thewrist.
Slapping the wrist.
Stop doing it.
Stop doing it.
Don't do it again.
You're you know.
Go home, do something else.
It was never taken seriouslyand he used that to his
advantage.

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And then the blunder of theprofile that gave him free reign
for a little bit.
All the things worked out forhim to be his worst and,
gracefully for these families ofthese victims, they didn't have
to wait for decades.
He's not still sitting on deathrow in Angola In 2016,.

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In mid-January, reports came inthat Derek Todd Lee had been
transferred to the hospital inreally bad condition.
Not because of a fight oranything like that.
The man had problems.
He had evil on the outside andhe had evil that apparently was
rotting him to his core becausehe had major heart problems and

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heart disease, which, on January21st, ended up taking his life,
and he died in the hospital,still in custody of Louisiana
State Penitentiary.
Still in custody of LouisianaState Penitentiary, and they
released to the papers that hehad passed away of natural
causes, which was the heartdisease, on January 21st of 2016

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.
Now most of the families theywere either impartial or
grateful that they didn't haveto wait around for all of the
shit to go through and to, youknow, keep waiting and waiting
and waiting.
But now he was finally gone,that he could no longer hurt
anybody, that he no longer hadthe ability, the capability or
the the life to do take anyother life or to make anybody

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else's life miserable ever again.
So, began in a begin in 92, itended in 2016.
He spent almost 13 years incustody from the time he was
picked up in atlanta, but onlynine of those were as a
convicted murderer.
So he ended up having threechildren the one illegitimate

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child with candace and then thetwo with his wife.
Um, I believe one of, uh, one ofthe children I think it was
Dietrich, actually Cassandra'sson that he released an article
here recently about the wholesituation and how he felt about
it and tried to stay away fromit, from what I understand.
But what we know about him washe was vile, he he was vicious,

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he had an MO that was not normalin terms of like, same age
group, same type of woman,whatever.
But he did kind of fit apattern of lonely women or women
who lived alone, not lonelyparticularly, but good looking,
well off.
There were at least half ofthem that were either on LSU

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campus or affiliated with LSUcampus, the map that y'all post
up there.
All of these women either livednext to each other or had lived
next to each other.
In fact I believe it wasCharlotte.
She had literally just movedtwo days before she was murdered
and she had only lived in thathouse for two days and had moved

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from Stanford Avenue.
So I mean, this was obviouslyhis praying grounds, this is
where he went to find hisvictims, because that was his
comfort place, that was hiscomfort zone, that, and in
Zachary, in Oak Shadowssubdivision, and he bounced back
and forth between the two andthat's why it got stretched out
as far as it did, between thebad FBI profile, between the in

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communication and just, you know, not really knowing how to deal
with it.
And then, on top of that, youalso still have these other
murders that are happening.
I think it was something like63 women from 90 to 2008, or 9
60 cis something.
Women that had been brutallymurdered, that had similar

(01:23:33):
characteristics.
Like you've got to be kiddingme.
I would have moved.
I would have made my familymove.
There was no way you would havebeen able to convince me to
stay my ass in baton rouge inlate 90s, early 2000s period.
Not a chance.
So that is the unfortunate,horrible, disturbing case of

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Derek Todd Lee, the Baton Rougeserial killer.
I thank you all for listening, Ithank you for hanging out with
me and I cut down as much as Icould without losing any of the
content.
So I super duper appreciate youguys listening and coming back
and still being a part of thisincredible, awesome journey with

(01:24:23):
me to telling these stories andbeing able to share those with
people that can appreciate themand give me the feedback and be
able to be the crime nerds thatwe are.
So I love you all.
I appreciate you all.
If you have any thoughts,suggestions, comments, questions
, concerns, shoot me an email.

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