The Cedar Grove -Serial Killer- Nathaniel Robert Code, Jr. - Part 1

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How does a childhood marked by trauma transform a boy into one of Louisiana’s most infamous serial killers? Join us as we peel back the layers of Nathaniel Robert Code Jr.’s disturbing past, uncovering the roots of the Cedar Grove Serial Killer's violent psyche. We trace the trajectory of his life from a troubled upbringing in Shreveport to his early brushes with the law, setting the stage for the chilling crimes that would later grip the community in terror.

Follow the trail of evidence that begins with the savage murder of Deborah on August 31st, 1984. We reveal the harrowing details of her last moments and the calculated brutality of Code’s attack, painting a grim picture of his lethal modus operandi. Hear about the unsettling discovery of her body, the crucial forensic clues left behind, and the twisted audacity of Code mingling with onlookers at the crime scene. This chapter will keep you on the edge of your seat as we unravel the mind of a killer.

Explore the horrifying murder spree that culminated in the slaughter of Vivian Culbert Chaney and her family. We detail each family member's tragic end, the critical evidence that linked Code to the heinous acts, and the chilling eyewitness accounts of his behavior. From distinctive items like a candy cane striped tote bag to the damning testimony of those who saw him covered in blood, this episode pieces together the final puzzle, bringing to light the true extent of Code’s monstrous actions. Prepare for an intense journey into the darkest corners of human nature in this part one of two on another Louisiana Serial Killer.

Sources:
>>YouTube Video of Family Statement to Death Penalty Panel
Article with video link for panel statement
>> Caddo Parish DA Speaking on Lengthy Death Sentences Awaiting Execution 
Murderpedia Article on Code
Serial Killer Database - Cedar Grove Killer
EXCELLENT Timeline with Pictures!
August 14, 2015 Town Talk Article
VineLink Inmate Search Results
Code’s Supreme Court Appeal
Auction of Code’s Inmate Letters Website

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Episode Transcript

Kellye (00:00):
Additional trigger warnings include murder of
children and some sexual assault.
On August 6, 1987, lawenforcement agencies in Caddo
Parish had just arrested one ofthe most disturbing serial
killers to ever hit Louisiana,at least up to that point.
Come with us as we follow thegruesome trail left by Nathaniel

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Code Jr, who had left death anddestruction in his wake for
over three years, between 1984and 1987.
Join us as we unravel thedistinct signature created by a
volatile killer, and then hangon as we inspect the crime
scenes together and discuss justhow a predator becomes such a
disturbed individual.

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Is it genetics, his upbringingor both?
Today, on CenLA w, episode 28,K ellye and I'm hitting this one

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by myself I'm gonna go aheadand straight out the gate,
apologize because this one islate and life happens and I
apologize, but it is true, lifehappens.
I've been trying to catch backup.
We took off for two weeks andit's been a little hectic, it's
been a little crazy, but again,thank you guys for sticking
around, sticking with me, comingback and just being awesome in

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general.
So thank you.
I'm not really going to do toomuch crazy stuff here because
this case, oh, it's rough, hurtsmy heart, hurts.
Everything makes my stomachhurt.
Even though it's from 1984,1987 era, it's still very
relevant today, and you'll seewhy.

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So let's jump right in, guys.
Today's episode is going to beabout Nathaniel Robert Code Jr,
and another one of the ones thatI've never heard anything about
never would have come acrosshad I not moved down here and
started this podcast based onLouisiana's everybody.
So this is one of them.

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Like I thought the last episodeof Dominique was really really
bad.
I mean, obviously because ofthe numbers, but also because of
the ages they were.
All you know he took a lot oflife that hadn't even really
begun yet and that hurts.
But this one has a wholedifferent feel to it.
I don't know, maybe it's justbecause it's so gruesome, I

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guess, and just the methodicalway that he goes about it, and
you guys will see what I'mtalking about.
So we're gonna start by gettinginto a little bit of his
background before we get to theawfulness.
That is everything code.
So he was also known as the Cedar G grove S serial K killer,

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although he was actually bornand was from S hreveport.
Cedar Grove is like a smallsubdivision area that is still I
believe it's still inShreveport to this day Nathaniel
Robert Code Jr.
He was born on March 12, 1956,and his upbringing was not the

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greatest.
He was raised mostly by hisgreat-aunts and his grandfather.
His parents divorced about sixmonths after he was born.
By about ninth grade, he failedout and decided he wasn't going
back.
So he began living with hisUncle J ohnny, who was I believe
he was 62 around that time whowas I believe he was 62 around

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that time and in 1971, his uncleactually shot him four times
with a .22 caliber pistol, whichobviously is traumatizing in
and of itself to be shot, butbeing shot by your uncle, the
person that you're living with,the adult that you're supposed
to be entrusting your life withat that point.
Code was only 14 at that timeand he actually had multiple

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surgeries and one of the bulletsactually lodged near his spine
and his right lung collapsed dueto the bullet wounds.
His uncle was eventually foundwith a gun in his pocket.
The uncle said that he shot himbecause of an argument that had
started from them having adiscussion about Code leaving

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the house.
He wanted him out.
So I believe in 74, about threeyears later, the uncle actually
got arrested again for twocounts of aggravated assault
with a firearm.
However, there was never anyother follow-up that I could
find.
I couldn't figure out just bythe newspaper articles or any

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kind of researching see if hewhat he was charged with, if he
served any jail time, ifanything came of the shooting of
code when he was 14 and 71.
Nor did I see any sentencingfor that arrest in 74.
So I don't actually know.
What I do know is that it wasall kinds of shady and none of
it good and it had a lastingimpression on Nathaniel Code as

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a 14-year-old as a boy, becauseit, you know, kind of put him in
that violent direction.
And I mean already it's badenough that he was not in a good
way with his family or hisparents, being raised by his
great aunt and his grandpa andthen later this guy he called
Uncle Joe.
So by 1975, Nathaniel Code hadalready been charged with an

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aggravated rape and burglary.
This was on June 30th in 1975.
A 20-year-old woman had beenassaulted and he eventually pled
guilty later in November ofthat same year and was sentenced
to 15 years in prison.
However, while he wasincarcerated, his mother his
biological mother actuallypassed away and eventually Code

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was released on good behaviorafter only serving eight years
of his 15-year sentence and thatwas in January of 1984.
And he began working as aconstruction worker, for I think
it was Fitzgerald Contractors.
But after an incident in 85, heactually got fired because he

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got into it with anotherco-worker and they were fighting
about something on the radiostation, like he wanted it on a
different station or something,and he attacked him.
He got fired after that and itstayed pretty rocky.
He couldn't hold down anythingsteady so he was born into kind
of a tumultuous situation,raised by family members, shot

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by his quote uncle joe, unquoteum.
And then by the time he was,how old would he have been?
That would have been 71, he was14, so 75, he would have been
18.
So right at like adult age hewas put in jail for eight years,

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didn't get out till he was 26,and on January 23rd, and there's
an event that happens in 84,but we're going to skip that for
now and we're going to talkabout the fact that he well,
there's a couple of events, butanyway he ends up getting

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married on February 3rd of 1986to a Miss Vera Mae Bloomer.
They made their home in well,within a few blocks of the Cedar
Grove neighborhood.
Okay, so we already know thathe's our serial killer.

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I talked about it in the introand I'm you know.
We didn't talk about hisbackground just because it was
interesting.
So he gets out.
As far as anyone knows, he'skind of keeping his nose clean,
gets married to a 30 year.
He's 30 years old at the timewhen he marries Vera, who was 22

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.
That was in 86.
However, about a year and a halfprior, in August of of 1984,
the very end of A ugust, August31st, a murder had occurred in

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the Cedar G rove 25 year-grove-old Deborah Anne Ford.
She was found in her home.
She was the mother of two and,as far as I could tell from
everything that I read about her, she was an extremely beautiful
person, loved her children, wasa really good neighbor all of
the things that you wouldimagine or would hope that

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somebody would say about you.
If you know, it came to passthat you passed away and
everybody was really shocked bythis and the police were
actually quoted as saying it wasa regular whodunit.
There was a thousand dollarreward put up which in 84, is
pretty substantial.
The scene actually laid outthat it was a some sort of home
invasion type assault whichturned into murder.

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The day before Deborah and hertwo daughters, Nikki and Shaw n,
who were nine and fiverespectively.
They had gone school clothesshopping with Sh awn's father, D
anny, where they had gone schoolclothes shopping and had a
great day from all sources.

They got home at around 9 (09:44):
30 and the girls ran in to get
their overnight clothes andstuff because they were going to
go spend the night with theirgrandma and the older of the two
, miss N icki.
She noticed that the bathroomdoor was open.
They had had a prior burglaryat their house so actually
nailed the back door shut andthe screens for all the windows

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on the house.
But the only window on thehouse that didn't have a lock
was the bathroom window, and sothey had a little like rod or
stick that they were puttingabove the window to keep it
large shut.
Okay, Nikki closes the window,she.
She put the stick in, sheclosed the door, ran out and
Danny, Shaw n's dad, drove thetwo girls to the grandma house.

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Now Deborah had a briefconversation with a neighbor but
she was back home by nine or by10, before 10 and another
friend of hers, Michael.
He had visited until about 11,and then there was yet another
friend who had spoken with heron the phone between like 830
and the latest or the last onewas at around midnight 30.

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And, according to everyone, hernormal routine Deborah's when
she was ready for bed she wouldactually just fall asleep on the
couch in the living room.
I don't know if it's because itwas cooler or what, but that's
where she ended up.
That's what her normal routinewas was sleep that she'd be
asleep in the living, asleep onthe couch in the living room.
I don't know if it's because itwas cooler or what, but that's
where she ended up.
That's what her normal routinewas sleep that she'd be asleep
in the living room on theSomewhere between midnight 30

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and 8 am on August 31st, thescreen in the bathroom was
dislodged, pried open andentered and it had been propped
open with like a metal piece ofsomething had been propped open
and the reason they know thiswas the entry point was because

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there were perfectly aligned,smudged, partial footprints
inside or outside the house andthen there was paint debris from
the window pane in the bathroomfloor as well as outside the
bathroom window and from whatpolice could gather at the time

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in that investigation was therehad been a massive struggle.
There was furniture overturned,the cushions on the couch were
scattered and disarrayed.
She had bruises all over herhands, but in the end she lost
that fight.
The autopsy found that she hadbeen strangled and stabbed.

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She had ligature marks from anelectrical cord that was
actually cut from a box fan thatwas found in her kitchen.
It was used to tie her hands ina very distinct signature, so
the signature that I wasspeaking about in the intro.
This is where that kind ofcomes into play, because all of

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us who know anything or listento any kind of true crime or
watch any kind of forensic files, you know about an mo.
It's M.
O modus operandi and that iswhen what they look kind of look
for, especially in serialkiller cases, because that is
something that doesn't change,it's very common and it goes all
the way across all of theircrimes.
It's the same kind of distinctmarker for that serial killer.

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For that killer this was Code's.
He Code's tie the hands aroundin the back of the person.
He would leave like a looseopening and then he would anchor
it to the left wrist, loop itaround the right with space in

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between, almost like handcuffsright, and then he would take
either another ligature or thesame one if it was long enough
and he would tie their anklestogether and then loop that back
up through.
So they were pretty muchhogtied is what it came down to,
and I actually have.
I believe I have a picture ofthat that I'll have on the

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episode on the blog post forthis episode on the website
CenLAw podcast.
com.
Gagged with clothes, also fromthe house.
She had been stabbed and thenher throat was slashed six times
.
So she was stabbed nine timesin the chest chest and they

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found different blood pools indifferent places.
So they know that the strugglehad been either ongoing or the
struggle had continued.
And they went from the couchand then she was drugged to the
floor because they could see thethe blood trail.
She was stabbed nine times inthe chest, twice on the left
side and seven times on theright, and some of these stab
wounds were deep enough theyentered her lung and it didn't

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end there.
When she, when he dragged herto the floor, he dragged her yet
again to the middle of the roomand that's where he slashed her
throat six times, going fromright to left.
He severed her jugular vein,her carotid artery, her larynx,
esophagus, and these cuts gotto the spine.
So she was nearly decapitatedand she was still alive when her

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throat was cut.
Her official cause of death wascumulative blood loss and the
coroner actually estimated thatthis attack lasted anywhere
between 15 and 30 minutes.
Just absolutely gut-wrenching,heart-wrenching.
I can't, in severe stressfulsituation.

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Time seems to slow down.
I just I can't imagine now afriend who had come by to borrow
her phone because, remember,this is back, we're talking in
uh 84, we ain't got cell phones,and you'll hear me here in a
minute we'll talk about and hisuse of phone cord.
So what I'm emember Remember,this is back, we're talking in
84.
We ain't got cell phones, andyou'll hear me here in a minute
we'll talk about his use ofphone cords.
So when I'm talking about phonecords, I'm not talking about

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charger cords, I'm talking aboutthat old school spiral cord
that used to connect.
I know, kids, they connectedyour phone to the base which was
then plugged into a wall calleda landline.
Yeah, I know I'm beingsarcastic, but seriously, my
daughter would have no idea.
So the friend had stopped by toborrow the phone and, oddly

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enough, knowing this family andknowing Deborah that she never
had her door open, like it wasalways locked, she always was
very tight on security becauseshe had already had that
burglary I mentioned.
And at 8 o'clock in the morningshe found the door open and
could hear the stereo playingmusic and this friend walked
into a horrifying sight thatnever left her, I'm sure.

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She was found in the middle ofthe room wearing only her
nightgown, which had been turnedinside out.
With the amount of injuries andthe fact that she died from
blood loss, I'm sure it was anightmarish scene to walk into.
By the time the police gotthere and set up the perimeter,
a crowd had started to gatheroutside of the house guess who

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was a part of that crowd andactually had discussions with
the other neighbors about whathad happened.
You're freaking correct, youknow, when they say they like to
revisit the crime scene.
This is why this is where thatcomes from the studying of
people like Nathaniel Code Jr,who, oh, he loved it.

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He loved revisiting, he lovedreplaying, he loved the idea of
him being the cause of something.
Something was like he did this.
This was his orchestra, that hewas conductor of this symphony,
that he of chaos and so, yeah,he actually showed up outside

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the house that morning andtalked to other people about the
murder and what had happenedand how terrible and so on and
so forth.
Yeah, so that's bonkers, but alot of the people in the
neighborhood knew him because,like I said, he only lived a
couple blocks from this CedarGrove neighborhood and you know

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he was just a part of that group.
Now, they didn't mentionneutral was mostly the vibe that
I got, but he was still, youknow, well-known.
Everybody knew each other.
It was very, you know, notreally close-knit neighborhood,
butdefinitely
neighborneighborhood
.
So B Jerry Dr George McCormickwas the coroner, I believe, on

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all of these cases and he is thefirst person in all the
information that I read, allBilly the sources Jerry I
Carlitha, he was the first oneto say that there was a clear
signature and this was obviouslya serial killer and that he
would kill again.
He was very um determined tomake sure that the law

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enforcement were aware and heeven went so far as to give them
the four signature elements.
And why, um, these elements ledhim to believe that this was a
single person and he would killagain.
And these are the signaturesyou're going to look for in the
next murder, because there'sabsolutely going to be more.
So he said the first elementwould be the two different.

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d, so it's kind of a bundle deal
here.
So he used a knife first off,and that he used two different
methods of murder.
So he got the first elementwould be the stabbing, so the,
the deep, you know, attack witha knife stabbing and then the
slashing or cutting of thethroat.
That was one and two.
The third one was the verydistinct bindings and the unique

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ligature, um strangulation typethat well, basically just that,
that the way that he bound him.
So the binding in and of itselfwas a signature, but then the
distinctive way that he did it.
Would it be a in and of itselfanother, so other?
So he also said that thisserial killer is right-handed

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and that's basically what theyhad to go on to begin with.
But other than that it was awhodunit and nathaniel co jr
went on about his happy life,right, although they did
actually get a little bit ofinformation from this crime
scene.
They had three latent palmprints and a thumbprint that
were on the bathroom windowwindow seal and on the inside
wall under the window seal.

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And they found that these wereconsistent and recent, because
it was obvious that the bathroomhad either been wiped off or
recently Code.
And even though at some pointin his past Nathaniel Code Coe
Jr had actually been a plumber aAt some in his past Nathaniel
Code Coe Jr had actually been aplumber there was no record to
show that he had ever been inthat house, on Cedar in

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Deborah's house, nor did theyhave no way of saying that there
was any other time that hewould have been in that house
prior to the murder beingcommitted.
So there would be no reason oractual like good defense as to
why his fingerprints would havebeen in there or palm prints.

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So even with all that and theydid later identify those
fingerprints as codes, like Isaid, he went on about his his
life and he got married inFebruary of 86.
And then you know there wereOK.
So some people say some peoplesay that he could have four

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additional murders and thosefour murders actually happened
within the on to December 86time period the June 85 to
December 86 time period and thatwould have been in and around
the same time as the otherhomicides that we're going to
speak about.
But they were never verified tobe and he never confessed to

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those.
So I'm just going to brieflymention them in between Saint

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Vincent here.
So in August 31, was DeborahAnn Ford.
That was her homicide.
In June 24th of 85, wes Burks.
He was murdered, 48 years old.
He was discovered in a pool ofblood on the kitchen floor of
his St Vincent Avenue home.
He was stabbed multiple times.
And he was discovered in a poolof blood on kitchen floor his
saint vincent avenue home.
He was stabbed multiple timesand he was identified as a
suspect.
Code was identified as asuspect, but he was never
charged.
And then, july 18th of 85, thebody of monaco renee barnum, 20
years Billy old, was discoveredby her mother in an apartment C
on Ashton Street and she wasbound, stabbed and strangled

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with a wire coat hanger that wasleft around her Code neck.
Again, code was named as aperson of interest, but he was
never arrested or charged thatin connection with that killing.
And that takes us up to thenext actual connected and
charged murder.
And this is the one that theyinitially, because of the amount

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of evidence, this is the onethey went with first, that they
got the first charges and trialand all of those things.
So it was less a yearlater, so 84.
31st of 84,.
This was July 19th of 85.
And Culbert was literally justa short walk, a few blocks from

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Deborah Ford's home.
It was the home of VivianColbert Chaney, who was 37 at
the time of her death.
She lived there with herboyfriend, billy Joe Harris, who
was 28.
Her daughter, carlitha Colbert,who was 15.
Her brother, jerry Colbert, whowas 25.
And her Tamika two daughters,tamika and Marla.
I think that's right.
Oh, 10 and 7.
I apologize, 10 and 7.
So good thatu for now.
The two youngest werediscovered unharmed, alive,
sleeping in their beds when theother bodies were discovered.
However, the same cannot besaid for Vivian, billy Joe,
jerry and Carlitha.
Somewhere between 1130 on the18th and 6 am on the 19th, the
back door was pried or forcedopen and each member Vivian,
billy Joe, jerry and Carlithowere all murdered.
They were found in separaterooms of the house.
Every victim was in a separateroom and it goes in a way and
you can, we'll go through it,let's just go through it and
then we'll kind of touch on it.
So Billy Joe, who was the25-year-old boyfriend?
He was found in the frontbedroom and he was actually
killed by gunshot.
So what they believe happened,or what the coroner, I think,
postulated after he got theinformation that he said, that
it was indicative of a logicalprogression.
So, knowing that there weregoing to be more people in this
house, more adults in this house, more than one victim in this
house, that the gun obviouslywould have been brought in as a
form of control, especially forthe men or the more threatening
victims.
So he comes in and he shootstwo shots through a pillow into
the left side Billy Joe's headand then he shoots him twice in
the chest.
But Billy Joe 5 was a toughmother.
He Shirley still alive after heshot him four times.
So then code cut his throat andtied him up then with his
shoelaces.
And again, this was the hogtiedscenario I I told you about
earlier, which may have beenconfusing, but he tied him up
with shoelaces that were foundin
the house.
An electrical cord was used toconnect the ankles, which had
shoelaces, and the wrists, whichhad shoelaces.
He used an electrical cord toconnect those two.
He was fully clothed and had noligature marks around the neck
or anywhere ligature marksaround the neck or anywhere.
And then the next victim,Culbert believe was Jerry
Colbert, who was 25.
He was found in the backbedroom, one shot in Vivian, the
left side of the head.
He was in bed, no struggle, noligatures, fully clothed, shot
him en where he lay.
Now Carlitha, the 15-year-olddaughter she was in the living
room where she had probablyfallen asleep on the couch and
she was found on Culbert herstomach and it looked like she
had been.
She'd either been tied and thenkind of wrangled a little bit
loose, or had been attempted andhe didn't get to fully tie her,
but same kind of wrist wrapping, ankle wrapping, but the
connector was loose.
So she just had her ankles andwrists bound , but they weren't
connected.
She was also gagged.
Shehad duct tape.
It'd been used to gag her, sohe had just wrapped it around
her.
And then she was found onlywith shorts on and they were
inside out.
Her throat had been cut, butthis didn't kill her, she was
still alive.
And then she was moved from anarea to a different part or back
up to the onto the couch, I'mnot sure.
And the reason they know thisis because there were V ivian
two large pools of her bloodfound, and one was by her left
knee and then the other one wasup near to b e where they
hypothesized that she had beencut on the neck and then moved,
dragged a little ways, or shehad crawled a little ways
had cut her throat again, andthat was when she bled to death.
Now the blood pool by her leftknee had a semicircle of it,
looked like it had beenabsorbed, so like if you Dr
stuck a rag on the top and justlike pushed down.
That's what it looked like.
There was a semicircle that haddrier blood in the middle of
that blood pool, which will makesense here in a second.
Now, the last victim that theyfound in the house was that of
Vivian Colbert Chaney.
They found her in the bathroomslumped over, so like from her
waist up her head, hanging intothe bathtub.
She was slumped over o thataway, face down into the bathtub
.
There was a telephone cordaround her hands and waist which
went between her legs and thendown to her ankles, which would
have allowed her to still kindof walk.
It was they, I think.
They quoted it as a hobblingwalk, and they also had evidence

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of a neck ligature which was tothem reminiscent of a collar.
So basically what they wereassuming was that he tied her in
such a way that she would stillbe allowed to kind of stumble
around and he could lead heraround by this ligature collar

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that he made for her.
And this is where thatbloodstained semicircle comes in
.
The dress that she was found inwhen they found her body in the
bathroom had a large bloodstain, which later was proven to
be colithes, and the buttockarea.
Drier blood in the center inthe semicircle had been caused

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by her being made to sit besideher daughter's body while she
was bleeding out from the neckand watch her, because that's
the only way that would havebeen on the buttock area of that
dress.
Now, her cause of death showedthat obviously she was the main
target of this attack, simplybecause
there was more time and moreenergy put into her murder.

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She was violently beat aroundthe head, she was strangled by
both ligature and manualstrangulation, and then she was
taken to the bathroom and whereher head was shoved underwater
until she died.
So behind b\ he combination ofmanual strangulation and
drowning that was determined tobe her cause of death.
Now the bodies were discoveredon July 19th, that same V

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morning.
What they assume happenedeither from the night before at
11, sometime between Vivian, am,because her sister, shirley,
had decided to make a visit,hadn't told anybody she was
coming and just decided to gosee them.
And when she got there she justThere was no answer at the
front door, but she could hear music
playing on the stereo.

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Does that sound familiar, guys?
So she went around to the backdoor which, when she knocked it,
opened on its own and she wentahead and entered the house and
started looking for people.
When she realized what hadhappened and saw the scene, she

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frantically started looking forthe younger two.
She found them fast asleep andthey were actually super
difficult to wake up.
Now it should be noted thatboth Tamika and Marla were
mentally handicapped.
Vivian Carlitha and Billy Joe,they all had some kind of sight
impairment.
So not only are we talkingabout victims on average, but

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these were all impaired in someway, and the only upside to this
event was that the two youngerchildren were spared.
When they were awoken, however,by the neighbor that found the
bodies, they were frantic,absolutely lost their their
minds, which is understandablein that situation and the friend

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took them outside, called 9-1-1, and then everything unfolded
from that point again, with thecrowd outside, so on and so
forth and after some time they5 t realized that there were
several items missing from thehousehold.
So I think it was Jerry'swallet was gone.
There was a jar of loose change.

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There were food stamps and thefood stamps ID card that you had
to have at the time so youcouldn't use one without the
other.
There were framed pictures ofthe girls and this red, like
candy cane striped tote bag.
That was all missing.
There was also no money found,like no cash found in the house,
and from reports vivian hadcashed a 100 check just the day

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before now.
Remember they had gone schoolshopping so maybe she had spent
some of it there, but thereshould have been some sign or
evidence of a cash somewhere inthe house if she had cashed a
$100 check.
We're talking Carlitha again$85.
So that probably would havegone a lot longer than just
school clothes shopping, whereasnow you have to spend $300 or

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$400 not even Dr it into it.
So again the same corner, drMcCormick.
He said again this was oneperson, it was a serial killer,
he was alone and that this wasan escalation of the Ford or the
Deborah Ford murder.
He made the allegation that itwas likely someone who lived

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nearby or in the neighborhood,the same neighborhood.
He also said that the scene wasindicative of the logical
progression like we talked aboutearlier, with the gun that was
used to control the adults andthe teenagers, and his theory
worked out something like thisso he used the gun to threaten
Carlita, kept her compliant,then he held her at gunpoint to

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be able to and Billy Joe whilehe tied up Vivian and Carlisa
and then Billy Joe, in thatorder.
He then went to the backbedroom, shot Jerry, remember,
because he was found with justthe one bullet wound and still
in bed, with just the one bulletwound and still in bed.
And then he s back and he thenmade the first cut on Carly this

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throat, the one that didn'tkill her and he made Vivian
watch this entire process andmade her even sit close enough
to where she got the blood onthe back of her dress.
Then, he quote walked by thecollar ligature Vivian to the

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bathroom and forcefully put herhead in the water, while likely
choking or strangling her withthe ligature and or manual
strangulation Carlitha at thesame time, at which point he
left her as she died there inthe bathroom, still slumped over

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the tub, returned and made thesecond cut to carletha's neck
and either moved her or she hadmoved that far in that process
and he nearly cut her head offwith that last cut.
So eventually he killed TuesdayJoe they're not he.

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He didn't really make astatement as to whether it was
before or after he finished umkilling Carlitha, but he does
surmise that it was done afterVivian was dead.
Now, earlier I said that theyfound a duct tape was used
Just a gag in Carlitha's caseand they happened to find the

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same type of duct tape in thealley behind Junior the Code
house that was used to gagCarlisa.
They also found a latent leftpalm print on the bathtub and
McCormick said that theleft-hand palm print was in a

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place that was not a place thatsomeone would use to stabilize
themselves getting in or out ofthe bathtub, the way that it
positioned with the way thatVivian's body had laid, it was
used to stabilize so theright-handed person could then
use the other dominant hand toforcefully push the head into
the water, and that the bathroomhad all of the signs of being

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cleaned regularly.
So these prints again, thereCode was no reason for them to
be in there otherwise, in anyother S s saw C if he had or
hadn't been in the house before.
So eventually that palm printwas attached .
And on that same morning theyhad further evidence, um, in a

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witness that was jogging at thetime and around 2, / um former
national guard neighbor inthe area that knew junior code
and saw him.
They spoke to each other andjust Code kind of like hey,
what's up, man, how's it going?
And noticed that he had a brownbag that was like rolled up

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under his arm.
And you know, they said there,whatever's, hey, whatever, bye.
And then, oddly enough, about45 minutes later he saw Code
again In a different X going ina TikTok direction or opposite
direction, and he said he wascovered in blood.
And so of course Patreon he'slike hey, dude, are you okay, is

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everything all right?
What's going on?
And code told him quote, I gotinto it with somebody, but
luckily he quote, unquote CenLAw on top and that he had gotten
even.
And another thing noticed thesecond time around didn't he no
longer had the rolled up brownbag.

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He now had a candy cane, red,white striped tote bag.
Now, at the same time, atChaney whatever time it was
early in the am, I'm assuming hesaid that at that point code
tried to sell himthings that were in the bag.
There was a knife that hedescribed as a seven to eight

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inch dagger.
There was a gun.
There were credit cards, foodstamps and marijuana.
There was also as it was, itwasn't bad enough already that
you know he's out early, amcovered in blood randomly on the
side of the road.
You know he's out early, amcovered in blood randomly on the
side of the road.
The food stamps that he hadjust tried to sell to this

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neighbor.
They were smothered and smearedin blood Code But initially he
didn't connect Chaney the joggerneighbor didn't.
He didn't connect that to thecheney murders when he heard
about Code them, it just didn.
It didn't click in his mind.
And a few days later Code cameup to him, when he saw him
again, all like frazzled and outof sorts, and said hey man,

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what'd you see me do?
And the jogger says I don'tknow what the hell you're
talking about, what's going on,I don't know what do you, what
do you mean?
And Code, he said, said, madethis reaction of gritting his
teeth, clenching his fists, andwas obviously and visibly
agitated by his answer.

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It just so happened that thatwas the same reaction that Code
had when this jogger got on thewitness stand in trial.
So that was pretty crazy.
There was one more 530 thatalso saw code the morning of the
19th at around 5 30 am and saidthat he saw code just standing

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outside of the cheney housestaring Tuesday at the house,
and this was hours before thebodies were ever found.
But still again, no arrest wasmade.
And this it continued theongoing investigation and I
apologize profusely.
I did not realize that I wasgoing to have a part one and

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part two, although I have goneback and edited part one at the
end of my intro.
But I got to the editing stageand I cut it out as much as I
possibly could.
I think the original recordingwas about an hour and 52 minutes
, something like that.
It was a good long chunkbecause I got really deep into
the death penalty and the stuffwith Louisiana and the reason

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it's such a cluster ball rightnow.
But I just wanted to apologizebecause I didn't mean to split
this up.
But the good news is that meansyou guys will get more content
this month because I'm going toput this one out tomorrow, which
will be Monday, and then thefollowing Monday, tuesday, I
will release part two.
So I apologize, but you'rewelcome.

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