The Fixer: Problem-Solving, Career Growth, & Embracing Change with Quinton Horner

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You are the cap for whatever goes on in your store,
in your company, in yourdistrict, in your household,
however excited you are, whatyou believe is possible,
whatever that threshold is.
Hey team, jim Cripps here fromthe Charge Forward podcast,

(00:24):
coming to you from HitLabStudios here in Nashville,
tennessee.
Now I have a special guest foryou today, and I don't just mean
special in a general kind ofway.
I mean this is my best friendon the planet.
I've known him for 35 years.
He is a fixer, he's an engineer, he is a lawyer, he's a proud
husband and proud father.
Please welcome to the ChargeForward podcast, mr Quentin

(00:45):
Horner.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
Thanks a lot, jim.
I appreciate it and I actuallywas going to say that I was
quite surprised with the offerand you hit me up.
You're like hey, man, you needto be on my podcast and I kind
of got my mind thinking aboutlike whoa, what could I possibly
bring to Jim's podcast?
And you got me thinking about alot of things I'm glad to share
today and hopefully we'll talkabout some good things that
resonate with some people.

Speaker 1 (01:07):
Yeah, man.
Well, you know there's very fewpeople on this planet that I go
further back with, but we'veknown each other since fifth
grade, I believe.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
Absolutely Fifth grade.
I just moved to Ashland Cityand you were among the first
people I met.

Speaker 1 (01:19):
Yeah, man.
Well, and you know I put quitea bit in into your list of
accomplishments or things, andmost people wouldn't assume that
a lawyer was also an engineerand you know.
So I think I think that'sprobably going to throw some
questions out there.
So let's just let's dive intothat one Like how did that come
to?

Speaker 2 (01:38):
play.
It wasn't by design.
From the beginning you, out ofhigh school, I was kind of like
most people.
I did what my dad did.
I didn't know that there was anoption for doing anything else.
My dad was an engineer.
I grew up watching bulldozersand playing in the dirt and that

(01:59):
was just the consistent thing.
It's like, okay, I'm going togo be an engineer and that's
what I did.
I finished up at Alabama anddid engineering for a decade and
then you know a change in lifeI guess decided I would go back
to law school.
You know was single at the time, so my decisions were kind of

(02:21):
incumbent upon me to live with.
And you know it's it's been agood change.
So I spent about a decade inengineering and I've been in law
for a little over a decade.
So it's, it's uh, it's been aninteresting path, but the two
are, the two are similar in howthey relate, you know, um, so
it's been enjoyable.
I'm glad I did it.

Speaker 1 (02:39):
Yeah, man, and you know, I think, between both of
those.
The only thing I think thatwould also kind of tie into that
is if you became a doctor too.
The reason I say that is thereare places where you don't want
frills, that you don't wantguesses.
You need somebody that tellsthe truth or does the full job,

(02:59):
because lives are on the line orthe future is on the line, and
you know.
So was that an easy transition?
Or?
I mean, what do you?
What do you find that issimilar and what do you find
that is drastically?

Speaker 2 (03:10):
different.
So people have, of course,varying opinions of lawyers, the
butts of jokes and differentthings else.
But you know, I like to say I'mnot.
I'm not a, I'm not an attorneywho likes to go to court, the
formalism and everything likethat.
That's for some people, it'snot for me.
But the thing that I didn'tlike about that is the
persuasive argument, nature ofit, where you have a series of

(03:35):
factors and two factors mayoutweigh six factors and that
stuff.
The thing I like to argue istwo plus two equals four.
That's proven, I can get behindthat.
The thing I like to argue istwo plus two equals four.
All right, that's proven, I canget behind that.
I can put that argument forwardand I like that.
So with engineering, you knowyou're dealing with finite
things.
You've still got to have thereal world applicability of it

(04:00):
all you know to understand howit relates to the real world.
But this is your set of rules.
Let's use that.
Let's get to a product In law,at least as I practice it now,
which we'll get into more sowhich is like with real property
.
It's the same thing.
You're dealing with finitestuff and you're working to get
to a finite answer.

(04:21):
So that's interesting.
You said that with being adoctor, you know, okay,
something is broke or we want tomake something better, let's
take what we have, do what'sknown and proven, we hope, and
get to that result.
So I haven't really thoughtabout that.
But that's what I like aboutthe type law that I practice is

(04:41):
you know, there's not a lot ofvariables.
You know I don't have to have apersuasive argument with the
same set of facts and because Ihave a persuasive argument, my
side wins.
I don't, I don't like that game, but there's a lot of people
that do and I'm happy for them.

Speaker 1 (04:57):
Well, you know, I think that type of law or in
that arena, it's more of a salesgame.
How can I package up the factsto sell my side of the story,
Whereas yours is more black andwhite and it it really kind of
just boils down to who did thefull job to get to the actual
answer.

Speaker 2 (05:15):
You know I like getting to the actual answer.
You know, that's um, kind ofhow I, how I got into law in the
first place was my fatherpassed when I was 27.
Unbeknownst to him, thingsweren't as good an order for his

(05:35):
estate as they should have been.
That protracted out from 2005until 2011.
2011, you know, and there were,there was a finite number of
things three or four things andyet it still took, you know,
seven years to get this stuff,almost seven years to get it
sorted out.
Like that's, that's too long.

(05:56):
What I deal with is shorterterm issues, because I like the
variety of things, because Ilike the variety of things, I
like being able to get to aresolution conclusion on it and
moving on to the next next thing.
So, um, yeah, the whole drawnout process.
That that's, um, I have moreinterest in the shorter term

(06:19):
things.

Speaker 1 (06:20):
Yeah Well, you know, the other thing that I said
about you is that you're a fixer, and people can take that to
mean a whole lot of differentthings, but for me, what that
means specifically in regard toyou is you do the whole job and
you get to the actual answer andit's resolved.

(06:42):
And the reason I can speak tothat with some authority there
is not only have we been bestfriends for a long time, but in
addition to that, you alsoworked with me at a company.
And then you know, even evenwhen you were in law school and
you working with me, your workethic stood out beyond really

(07:05):
kind of anybody that I know.
And on top of that, you're alsothe guy that if, if, shit the
proverbial shit hits the fan at3am, you're the guy I call
because I don't have to worry.
I don't have to worry about theexplanation I'm going to have
to give.
You know, if the phone rings at3 am and it's me, I'm not
calling to say what's up, bud,I'm calling because there's a,

(07:28):
there's a real reason, and youknow what you were working on,
uh, there during that time,while you were in law school.
This was not something that youneeded to show up early for and
stay late for it wasn't thatkind of job.

(07:51):
I didn't pay you that kind ofmoney.
I mean, let's just be real.
And but you were the guy thatyou were the first one in the
office every morning, and if itwasn't me, it was you that was
the last one to leave.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
Well, the and you're, you're right about that, and
that's the thing that I, that Ilike is it's not just check a
box, you know, and that's a lotof people are hired to to do
specific finite things, um, butI like looking at the bigger

(08:17):
picture of what.
What are we trying toaccomplish here?
All right, because there may bea couple of different ways we
can go about it.
But now, first, let's back upto a fixer.
That doesn't mean that I don'tmake mistakes, but if I make a

(08:39):
mistake and I've handled it, Ilike to fix it.
You know, I've kind of said thatpeople ask what would be your
ideal job, and I think my idealjob might be just for somebody
who's got a lot of wealth.
Like you said, I'm their, theirfixer.
Um, you know, because I thinkbeing able to fix something is
more of a skillset and a talentpersonally than it is like an,

(09:02):
an acquired or trade of somesorts.
You know, it's just yourmindset.
Things aren't always going tohappen, especially in today's
world, as connected as we are.
Things are not always going tohappen from 8 to 5.
All right, we don't like itwhen it happens in the middle of
the night or on the weekend oranything else, but it's still

(09:22):
part of the bigger picture andoftentimes it takes working that
timeframe on that problem toget it to the finish line, and
that's what matters.

Speaker 1 (09:32):
Yeah, I think it's that ability to operate both
micro and macro in order to getit solved, regardless of like
what that specific knowledge orthat specific area is.
And some people will go well,that's not my thing.
And not to say that there's notplaces that you should.
You should be in that spacewhere you're like no, I'm not

(09:53):
good at that, but you're the guythat sees it through.
And I think, no matter whatindustry, no matter what
business like you have to havepeople with that kind of
skillset.
What industry, no matter whatbusiness like you have to have
people with that kind of skillset.
You know, for years, at theformer company I worked at, you
know, I had Mike Chafe.
Now I look at Mike Chafe like amore tactical version of you.

(10:20):
Like Mike's like a Swiss armyknife.
I mean, yeah, he's got amilitary background, but you
know he'll figure it out.
And yeah, he's got a militarybackground, but you know he'll,
he'll figure it out.
And I feel like, especially onthe legal side, the more
technical, the more complicatedissues Well, that's Quentin.

Speaker 2 (10:34):
Well, and that's something too as an employer
that I'm just thinking about itfrom the employer side of things
.
That's a hard thing to to hire.
You know somebody, somebodysees a job posting on there.
They see, okay, these are mytasks that I'm going to be
expected to do as an employee.
And you know, I know Mike, Iknow what you're saying about

(10:54):
Mike, having worked with himthat time.
We worked together for thatperiod.
But, like you, can't, as anemployer, basically just say I
need somebody who's going tohandle stuff.
Yeah Well, what do you meanstuff?
Well, it depends on what typeof stuff needs to be handled.
All right, can you, can you bea chameleon?
And is that something you canhandle or not?
So I haven't really thoughtabout it from the employer side.

(11:17):
I haven't really been on thatside of things.
But you know how, how do you?
That's the person you want, Ithink, is the person that adapts
themselves to help get to whatyour end goal is.

Speaker 1 (11:29):
Well, you know, I kind of look at it this way.
If, let's just say, the worldstarts to collapse and
everybody's got to grab their gobag, I know that I have seven
minutes to call Mike Chafe orMike Chafe's gone, have seven
minutes to call Mike chafe orMike chafe's gone, and I can
tell you at the end it went likewhen it gets down to that kind

(11:53):
of level, I want Mike chafe onmy team.
On the flip side of that, ifI'm running a mega organization
or I hit the lottery, wellyou're the guy I'm calling like
dude.
I don't know what I'm upagainst.
Let's figure it out.
And that's not a guy or a girlthat you hire based off of a
resume, like you've got to seethose people in action, or

(12:15):
you've got to know people thathave seen them in action.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
So, basically, what Jim is trying to say is you have
to make a lot of mistakes andlearn from those mistakes in
life?
Is you have to make a lot ofmistakes and learn from those
mistakes in life, and thatQuentin has made those and come
out on the other end?

Speaker 1 (12:30):
Well, you gotta, you gotta, get more right than you
get wrong in order to come outthe other end.
Very true, there you go.

Speaker 2 (12:39):
So, uh, you know you're you're one of those guys
I wouldn't want to bet against.
Plain and simple Well, andthat's you know like it is Plain
and simple.
Well, and that's you know likeit is.
It is experience.
You know that is a huge factor.
There's um, let's put it thisway, you know, coming out of
coming out of engineering schoolat Alabama, they were the
people that made the good grades.
All right, they were who theywere, that's what they did.

(12:59):
They always made good gradesand out of school they got good
job offers, but they didn'talways pan out, because it's not
just the book knowledge, allright.
If you don't know what you'redoing, how that relates to the
real world, especially in theengineering world.
You can put a lot of stuff onpaper, but you can't take that

(13:24):
and apply it to field conditions.
I mean it can't be done.
You're like I used to do umcivil site design, right In
AutoCAD.
I can design stuff down to afinite hundredth of an inch
level, but that does not mean aguy whose coffee machine broke
in the morning and is workingwithout coffee on top of a D8

(13:45):
bulldozer can grade it to that.
So there there is that.
There is that differentiationbetween a, a book, smart learned
skillset, which you have tohave.
You know and you knowunderstanding how what you have
learned applies to a real worldsituation.

Speaker 1 (14:07):
Well, I wasn't planning on going this route,
but you gave me the perfectsegue to this.
You and I both know that,firsthand, because we were crazy
enough in the past five yearsto decide to build our own homes
.
And I say crazy enough and youmay be crazier than I am, and

(14:28):
the reason I say that is you sawwhat I went through and then
you signed up for the same thingand you know, um, I think about
my dad.
You know, the first thing heever built was a dog house and
the next thing you built was thehome they live in today.
You and I skipped the dog house.
You know, if I look at otherpeople who decide to build their

(14:50):
own homes, they start with, youknow, the starter home, the
1100 square foot three and two,and they get through that.
Then they go up to the next one, go up to the next one, and you
and I, we did not do any ofthose things.
We went straight from we'venever built our own home before
to we both built million dollarplus properties and, uh, it took

(15:14):
both of us roughly two years tostart to finish.
Um, you know, I remember Ithink it was, uh, the 9th or
19th of January 2019 is when Iput a bulldozer blade in the
ground and, like I was so so Ican do this myself that I went
out and bought the bulldozerinstead of paying somebody to do

(15:35):
it, and so a lot of that.
You know, having the headknowledge versus actually
putting in a practice andbuilding it.
We both went through thatprocess and you know I can tell
you I'm glad I did it.
At the same time, I don't thinkI'll ever do it again.

Speaker 2 (15:56):
Well, you must think, now that I've been done for
like a year and a half, that youcan't take me back with like
PTSD stuff here.
I mean this was, yes, well now,granted too, I had a lot more
of the COVID thrown in in themiddle of mine than you did, but
but still it's um, yeah, thatwas quite the the process and

(16:17):
undertaking on things.
Um, but once again, it's asystematic process on things.
This foundations come before,you know, walls come before,
flooring come before.
I mean it all has.
And yeah, we had never donethat before.
But, like a lot of things inlife, you know, we self-educated

(16:40):
, oh yeah, educated, oh yeah, welearn.
You know hard lessons to do andnot to do and how to deal with
people.
And you know, it's funny youstarted out people like I knew
I'd be low man on the totem poleas far as priority, but man,
the bottom of the totem pole islow, yeah it is.

Speaker 1 (17:03):
Well, you know, I know we both ran into this, just
that kind of attitude of, ohwell, nobody's going to work
with you because you're anindividual, and there was some
of that, um.
But at the same time I alsofeel like you treat people right
and all of a sudden you startgetting a reputation of treating
people right and then morepeople will work with you.

Speaker 2 (17:24):
Well, in the flip side of that too, kind of
relating over our conversation,there were a lot of things that
we entrusted people to do andand had or did pay good money
for them to do that didn't getdone.
Yeah, then what?
Well, then you know, quinn getshome from work, has supper,
puts his daughter down to bedand goes and works until two

(17:45):
o'clock in the morning.
Once again, the larger pictureis get this done, so you do what
you have to.
Did I, did I want to, did Iwant to paint the whole interior
of the house myself?
Nope, I mean I like to paint,but not to that scale.
And he ended up doing a lot ofthings and self-educating to get

(18:07):
to that final thing, which kindof leapfrogs what we're talking
about.
You know, the the fixer is when, when you say something about
like a fixer I mean it's sobroad in scope it really narrows
down to let's identify whatwe're trying to accomplish and
do what it takes to get there.

Speaker 1 (18:22):
Yeah, that simple, absolutely.
Now, my most fun thing that I Idon't know if I've told anybody
about this, but my most funmoment at you building a house
is the day we painted the umceilings downstairs, because I
had brought you a sprayer aboutthree months before that and you

(18:45):
had not used it until that day,and I think there was a little
bit of a well, maybe I shouldhave opened this before today.

Speaker 2 (18:56):
Yes, enough said.

Speaker 1 (18:59):
Enough said.
Well, man, you know that thespirit of the Charge Forward
podcast is really that of peoplethat default to charging
forward, getting it done whenother people give up.
And you know I'm sure there'ssomebody out there that has just
been sunshine and rainbowstheir entire life.

(19:20):
But you know, I think back onit and you know one of the most
challenging things is I see yougo to Alabama, which is rock
star.
You wanted to go to Alabama asa school.
You get down there and am Ithinking right that this is your
junior or senior year and haveto have brain?

Speaker 2 (19:40):
surgery.
Oh yeah, my senior year.
Let's kind of talk aboutsomething that comes out of the
blue Right Before I.
Before I went back from mysenior year, my dad, who had had
an aneurysm, said, well, whydon't you just go get a
precautionary MRI?
And I did in August and theyfound something about the size
of a P?
Um no symptoms, no headaches,no, nothing.
So I got another one when I washome for Thanksgiving that that

(20:02):
year and it was the size of agolf ball.
Still no side effects, nosymptoms, no nothing.
So they knew what it was andthat I would have surgery over
Christmas.
So that was an interestingChristmas break.
On December 23rd at what?
22 years old, to have brainsurgery right before Christmas.

(20:22):
But yeah, that was a story totell for sure.

Speaker 1 (20:27):
Well, and one of the things that sticks out in my
head is what it was for 24, 48hours, you really could only say
three words, and we don't wantto use them here on the air, but
there were three of the cusswords and that was about it for
the first two days.

Speaker 2 (20:40):
Yeah, it's interesting and everybody kind
of knew that's what it was, Iguess the swelling of your brain
when oxygen hits it.
But yeah, I started with yep,nope and shit Yep.

Speaker 1 (20:56):
And built everything back up from there.
So there was my foundationmoved back to Nashville and, um,
I mean just a series ofinteresting things Like even the
even the U-Haul truck brokedown on the way back from moving
you from Alabama.

Speaker 2 (21:11):
Your memory.
Your memory is better than my,better than mine, but yeah, that
does stand out now.

Speaker 1 (21:16):
I mean, I remember sleeping in the front cab of uh,
of that U-Haul truck and wealmost made it all the way back.
I mean, we made it to Franklin,so the Franklin exit, um, but
you know, get back and you gointo, go into engineering, Like
you said, it's just, that's justthe direction you were going to
go, um, and you know you, youget a couple you had a good job

(21:38):
in in Atlanta, um, and then, uh,you move, move up here and
still in the engineering spaceand you're kind of known as
Harry's boy.
You know how did that kind ofplay into, you know, being in
engineering, deciding to leaveengineering.
You know what did that looklike?

Speaker 2 (21:58):
So, you know, after I graduated in Alabama, I was
back in Nashville for just alittle bit and then did find
myself with a civil engineeringfirm outside of Atlanta civil
site design and in 2004, my dadgot diagnosed with cancer and
kind of knowing what the outcomeof that was going to be is what

(22:18):
brought me back to theNashville area in 2005, working
with an engineering firm.
But, you know, because my dadhad been in, as you say, in that
space for a long time and had agood reputation, um, that's how
a lot of people knew me.
You know, obviously I don'thave the track record yet of of
anything.
A lot of these people I grew uparound, you know, on various

(22:41):
trips and different things and,uh, you know, that's kind of
you're right, that's kind ofyou're right, that's kind of
what people knew me as wasHarry's son and which is a good
way to know you, which which is,yeah, I mean, that's I'm glad
my, my dad, you know, wasthought of in that way, but you
know he, he passed ultimately,um, in July of 2005, and I was

(23:06):
27.
You know, at 27, you think thatyou're an adult and you have
the answers and you're going tostep into the shoes of your dad
and you're going to carry on.
It's going to be great.
And that is not it.
I mean, if anybody's lost aparent, I describe it as losing
like a big safety net.
You know now, whether it'sfinancial or advice or whatever,

(23:28):
if you know that you can calland talk to a parent, that
that's a comfort, that that youhave.
And when that's when that'sgone, it takes some adapting,
All right, You're, you know youmake those mistakes.
There's not necessarilysomebody there to tell you it's
all right, Listen, I've madethose mistakes.
It's going to be fine.

(23:48):
If you get hard up for moneyand you don't have a, you know
you need a dollar to get out ofa pinch.
You can usually call a parentand so you know.
But ultimately, I think whatmade me transition in hindsight
from engineering to law were twothings.
I didn't know how to deal withbeing known as Harry's boy.

(24:13):
I mean, that's simply it,Especially after the fact, After
he had passed, I didn't knowwhat to do with that.
Um, you know, I just I didn'tknow what to do with that.
So, and you know, a combinationof that and then dealing and
paying attorneys for seven yearsafter he died on things and

(24:34):
being really involved with it.
I mean, it's this was theoutcome was going to directly
affect me.
And if I went back and talkedto my attorneys then they'd
probably say that I was tooinvolved, but I did too involved
, but I did the research.
I mean I would send the emailsthat said what about this?
Can we ask for this?
So the combination of those twothings, and then with the

(24:55):
downturn in the economy in 2008,with all that went on,
especially with the housingindustry and that's who I mainly
worked with were homedevelopers and site developers,
but all that just dried up.
I was already enrolled inNashville school of law, so
that's kind of the transitionover to law.
Um, on that was, you know,trying to find a direction.

(25:18):
That was me, Um, and just Iknew that I liked the space of
engineering, I liked two plustwo, always being four, but I
was still searching and lookingfor something else that would
kind of be my identity, and notnecessarily, you know, A shared

(25:38):
identity, A shared identity.

Speaker 1 (25:40):
Well, you know, and I'll say the thing that maybe I
think you're being a little bittoo nice about here is you got
into law because you had twolawyers that were abusing their
client or their fiduciaryagreement, I mean, or their
responsibility, in my opinion.
You know, there were a coupleof things that happened.

(26:01):
Your dad's employers weretrying to get over on his estate
because he was no longer withus and you were having to fight
them.
But with two lawyers that it'skind of like they.
They had they tied your handsbehind your back and we're like
all right, sit here and watch ushalfway fight this, um, and it
drug out forever and just thingsthat that went on shouldn't

(26:23):
have't have gone on if they weredoing right by you.
And I can remember you saying Ican do better than what they're
doing.
And it wasn't long before yousaid I'm going to do better than
what they're doing and yousigned up and started going to
Nashville School of Law.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
Yeah, I was actually halfway through law school by
the time that everythingactually wrapped up in 2011.
Actually, I was three yearsinto their four-year program and
, to not totally discount whatyou said, but also I mean their
law practice, like a lot ofother professions, and

(27:04):
everything it's set up.
I mean it's it's volume.
To an extent, all right, I hada little bit more of a personal
knowledge, a lot more of apersonal knowledge about the
things that they were trying,the arguments that they were
trying to make, the facts thatthey needed, and you're right,
it was me trying to impress uponthem that, hey, if I was you, I
would use this, I would usethis.
But then you know and we cantalk about this more in a little

(27:29):
bit it's still the, the volumegame, all right, and that's
great for some businesses andyou have to have that to be in
business.
You have to have that to makemoney for your employer.
If you own a company to makemoney, that's great, but it
isn't always the best tact.

Speaker 1 (27:48):
Well, some things are not necessarily scalable 100%.
And you know, a lot of times andI don't know that everybody
pays attention to this, and soif you're a business owner out
there and you've got a fixer, uh, your fixer in order to fix

(28:08):
things, uh, there is a finiteamount of things that they can
fix and, um, you know, I thinkthat's important out there,
because I've played my fairshare of fixer and I've had
fixers Um, and it is a balance,it is.
It is um, you want to make surethat you haven't burnt them out

(28:29):
and that they are there whenyou need them.
Um, what do you think?
Am I on the right?
Am I, am I in?

Speaker 2 (28:35):
the right place, and that made me think of this as an
example, as of of a parallelBabe Ruth I can.
I can hit home runs, I canpitch, I can do it all.
You're not going to scale BabeRuth.
You can sit in the sameclubhouse with him and he can
tell you how he hits home runs.
He can tell you how he pitchedthe ball.
Hell, he could probably tellyou a lot of stories about his
lifestyle, but that doesn't meanthat that's through some sort

(28:58):
of osmosis, going to rub off,rub off on you.
So that's what we mean by.
Some things are not scalable,because some people just have a
talent set that, um, they dowhat they do.
They're not to discountanything or anybody around them,
but they are the talent in thatarea, all right.

(29:21):
So, um, you know hiring anotheremployee, or you know, trying
to get a game plan.
Well, this is what makes yougood at what you do.
Let's find out what that is,and then we'll hire somebody
else and we'll teach them how todo it.
Well, that works.
That may work in 85% of things,but that's still a space that it

(29:43):
won't.
So that that's a hard thing, Ithink, to kind of wrap your mind
around because you, you know, Ido subscribe to the theory that
nobody is indispensable, right,everybody can be replaced.
We all, we all agree with that.
But I think that when you'redealing with somebody who does
serve in that purpose for you,that is a Mike chafe, that that

(30:04):
can fix and does fix and doesproduce, that they're kind of
outside of the normal scope thatyou know you want to.
You want to handle things alittle bit different.

Speaker 1 (30:14):
Yeah, absolutely.
Um, you know, along the wayyou've had some pretty awesome
achievements.
Uh, what, what do you?
What do you say?
You hang your hat on, uh, kindof through that process.

Speaker 2 (30:25):
Um, for me, honestly, I think the best achievement
for me has been my, the workethic that I've come into uh of
things so that you know peoplelike well yourself, your
achievement I mean you bowled300 backwards and got it on
video of all things right.

(30:45):
That's a, that's a bigachievement.
Um, you know I don't have manymoments like like that, but the
achievement of getting to thespace that I'm in now with the,
the skillset and the work ethicand thing that, that that's I
like that about me.
It didn't come easy.

(31:07):
You know I went to NationalSchool of Law non-traditional
program.
So I worked for four yearswhile going to law school from
445 to 10 o'clock, three nightsa week, most of most of the time
, and I single guy then my timeof the time and I, yeah, single
guy, then my time was my time.
So extra kudos to the peoplethat did that with a family and

(31:30):
with kids.
I mean I had an easier routethrough there.
But you know I had quite theacademic track record.
We'll leave it at that.
At Alabama it seems like Ieither made A's or F's.
So you know, the acumen to goto kind of change both my work
ethic, change how I approachedacademics Learning how to learn.

(31:57):
Yeah, there is a method.
It's not just ah, they'resmarter, ah, they read the book.
I mean, you have to developyour own method and where it
works for you, for learning.
So, when it came down to takingthe bar exam, when it came down
to taking the patent exam, Iprepared for it and then,

(32:18):
overall, the tests were easy.
I mean, it's like anything inlife If you prepare the way that
you should, and especially ifyou are judged against your
peers in a test, you're going todo all right.
You put in the time, you'regoing to get the rewards.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (32:33):
Well, um, you know you go through that and you
touched on this just a littlebit.
It was the work ethic.
You know, if anytime I describeyou and fact I described,
described you to Dale earlierand you know, yes, I said fixer
but also talked about your workethic, and you know, you say it

(32:53):
was developed I think maybe theword is probably more honed
because you've always had thiswork ethic of I'm going to show
up and I'm going to do the wholejob and you know you don't let
yourself off the hook that way.
You hold yourself accountableeven when others around you are
not held accountable or don'thold themselves accountable.
And I think that is just one ofthe traits that you know

(33:15):
whether it was instilled, youknow at an early age, you know
by your dad or what, but I dothink that that is a huge part
of who you are and to once again, you've kind of sugarcoated a
little of this and I thinkyou'll agree a big part of that
is being hard-headed.
Oh yeah, all right, justflat-out stubborn.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
I remember in engineering in Atlanta we'd
submitted our final plats forapproval to the city and you
could only do that.
It had to be done by Tuesdaymorning, I think, at 10 o'clock,
and if you didn't meet thatdeadline it didn't get reviewed
until the next cycle.
So I had a developer on Fridaysay hey, quentin, you think you
can get this final plat puttogether and submitted to me for
you know by next Tuesday.

(33:53):
You know just kind of like,yeah, you think you could pull
this off for me.
I was like, well, maybe.
And he's like well, if you doit, I will pay you twice what
they pay you, and if you can getit done by Tuesday, I'll go
ahead and make us a tee time atAtlanta athletic club where my
dad's a member, and we'll goplay golf there.
Well, okay, I rise to thechallenge.

(34:16):
So I went in Sunday night,started working on this final
plat and left Tuesday morningand turned it in with the county
.
But I got it done.
I mean, engineers don't go towork and pull all-nighters all
that often, but a lot of that iskind of what you know and it's

(34:39):
not all positive doing that, buta lot of that is what helped,
kind of the work ethic and likeokay, well, you know, sometimes
you do have to make sacrificesto get things done, and for this
particular developer it was abig deal.
I mean, he's payinginterest-only money on, you know
, a 30 or 40-lot subdivision.
A week's worth of time means alot to him.
Yeah, you know, yeah, I made asacrifice too, but you know, we,

(35:03):
we got it, we got it done andthat's kind of.
That may have been the firstexample of what it takes to get
something done to achieve in agoal that somebody is trying to
achieve.

Speaker 1 (35:14):
Well, I think, especially early on, because at
that point you're what, 22, 23,somewhere around in there yeah,
and especially in your teens andearly twenties, like you, got
to figure out what you'recapable of.
You know, like, what can I doif I just decide to?
And I think that's part of theprocess, and, you know, I I

(35:35):
don't want to say unfortunately,cause that's not the right word
Um, I think we're fortunate andthat we've kind of put that
ourselves to the test to figurethat out.

Speaker 2 (35:45):
Yeah, you gotta know your.
You got to know your limits andyou and I, um, through 35 years
, have tested our limits on alot of things.
And I'm going to say the firstthat one of the first times I
tested my limits is, um, youknow, we've always been heavier
set guys.
And I go to college and I'mlike, oh my gosh, I can eat
whatever I want, do whatever Iwant.
And I did for the first yearand you know, at the end of my

(36:09):
first year I was 238 pounds.
Yeah, all right.
So that summer I decided thissucks, I'm tired.
Well, I took engineeringclasses, so I was done by 11.
I'd go play golf after that,I'd go to the gym after that and
then I'd go running in thesubdivision I lived in, but

(36:34):
three mailboxes further, everynight, and did it every night
and I kept up.
I wrote down with what I ateevery night and I'd allow myself
chicken wings every otherSaturday and that was my routine
for three and a half months.
When people came back afterbeing gone all summer, I had
gone from 238 to 158 pounds inthree and a half months.
So not that I'm ever going to dothat again, but there's a good

(36:54):
example, of knowing what you cando if you want to do it on
things, and that's good to know.
About yourself, I think there'sa lot of um.
You know the military and a lotof different things they do.
Like I need you to know whatyou're capable of, so you you

(37:15):
can better um perform in thespace that you need to, so you
you find that gear, so that youcan you know that you can you
know that you have it?
Yeah, I mean you.
You just don't just say, no, Ican't get that done, no, I can't
get that final plat done foryou, because that would mean

(37:35):
that I'd have to come in hereand stay all night.

Speaker 1 (37:36):
Well, bless your heart.
Oh, I know it.
Well, you know it was a study.
I forget where I saw this, butjust in the last week or so it
was.
How many I think it's Gen Zthat is entering the workspace
now and how over 50% of them saythey're overwhelmed.
And this is working like 30 hourjobs.

(37:56):
And I don't know what yourthreshold was, but I know a
couple of times I've put in atwork, not not talking about when
we were at work and thenbuilding homes, but at work 90
plus hours.
And you know, was it fun?
No, but I call it work for areason and I needed to get that

(38:20):
done.
So that meant that I was, I wasthe guy to do it, and I know
you've put, you've've been inthat same space too, and so you
know you need to push thoselimits sometimes to to figure
out what you, what you've got inreserve.
It's kind of like, uh, I don't,I don't recommend it all the
time, but you know, if you'vegot to run, run the tank all the
way to empty, well, how fardoes it go past when it says
zero?
You know, um, there may be alot left in the tank.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
Yeah, that's true, you got to.
On the tank analogy, you got toknow what your empty is and
what your full is.
I mean you've, listen, work'stough, life's tough, all right.
And if operationally you're,you're between two parallels
that are a foot apart, when yourpotential is two parallels that
are five feet apart, you needto know that, all right, you

(39:06):
need that range in life.
So, however you get there,maybe you just have a natural
instinct of of what your highsand lows are.
But a lot of people, includingmyself, I mean, you've got to,
you've got to make mistakes andyou've got to have some
hardheaded successes to trulyknow what you're capable of.

Speaker 1 (39:25):
Yeah, you know, hardheaded successes to truly
know what you're capable of.
Yeah, you know.
Uh, we've talked about this too.
You know, I think one of thethings where people get
themselves in trouble and youknow, I think sometimes it leads
to people giving up, sometimesthe thing that leads to just
people being miserable is overcommitting.

Speaker 2 (39:41):
That, to me personally, is one of the most
sickening feelings that I canhave, and it's tough.
I've had it way too much andit's just been the last year
that I've started to digest howthat affects me.
All right, I want to helppeople.
You know, in the in the area ofspace that I'm in, the
engineering, the law, the realproperty, the different things I

(40:04):
mean I get called on quite abit.
I jokingly say you want to knowenough to be indisposable at
work, but not so much thatpeople think you have the right
answer for everything.
So you know, I do get reachedout to a lot for people that
want help with things and I wantto help if I can and then I

(40:27):
find myself over committing.

Speaker 1 (40:30):
Well, I think I think they reach out to you because
you do the total job, meaningyou get them to the finish line,
not part of the way, notwhatever, like if it whatever's
in your scope of work.
You get that done.
And then you know everybodywants a guy or everybody wants a
girl, meaning I want to, I wantthat person that.
Get that done.
And then you know everybodywants a guy or everybody wants a
girl, meaning I want to, I wantthat person that I can call and

(40:50):
I know that they get me whereI'm trying to go.
Um, and when you do that forenough people, you become their
go-to and because you feel aduty to them, you have trouble
saying no.
But the reality is, in order tohelp people, you have to say no
to some people, right?
Your?

Speaker 2 (41:09):
your bucket can be full, and that's totally
understandable.
It's not a negative thing, allright.
So I've gotten in the space nowwhere, like I will tell you,
yes, I can help you with this,but it may be next week.
Or yes, I can help you withthis, but it's got to turn in.
Um, I'm in the title businessnow, so I do construction loans,

(41:34):
real property stuff not justbuying and selling of houses
that type thing, but morecomplex type things.
So I have a lot of people thatwill send me contracts to review
questions they have aboutdifferent things on the front
end.

Speaker 1 (41:49):
Uh, these are not small numbers either.
I mean just to paint theircorrect picture here.
I mean these are complicated alot of times, complicated
contracts that are big money,yeah, and with big consequences
and the off chance thatsomething does happen.

Speaker 2 (42:05):
But um on that.
But this is, I mean, I'm in thetitle business, all right.
When you think of somebodythat's in the title business,
you think of the person thatsits across you from a
development that's going to havean HOA all right, drafting
condo documents or, you know,splitting it up for that type of
development, easement relatedissues overall.

(42:38):
Just hey, do you think thatthis is a good deal?
What have you seen?
So I mean those are all thingsthat are I'm happy to do those.
Those are all ancillary to likewhat my actual job is, but
sometimes it can be overwhelming.
I've got somebody that sends mea $7 million contract for a
really urban development andit's thick and it has a lot of
big words and I want to do itjustice.

(42:59):
And they want to know if I canhave it done by tomorrow,
because that's when they've gotto.
You know, sign it Well, crap,but you know it gets, it gets,
it gets done.
So those are the type scenariosto where I don't really mind

(43:20):
doing it, but it's the thingsthat I like take on myself.
On top of that, you know,somebody's like, hey, can you?
You're an attorney.
You know everything about allaspects of law.
Can you help me with this?
You know it's those obligationsthat get me in trouble.

Speaker 1 (43:36):
Well, and you know, I've heard you say this before
and you'll correct me it'sbasically you got advice when
you were early on in your legalcareer may even been in law
school and it was know what youknow and also know what you
don't know and stay out of whatyou don't know.

Speaker 2 (43:55):
Actually it was a law school professor, eddie
Davidson, sharp cat, uh, sinceretired, but it was.
Yeah, know what you know andknow what you don't know, and
stay the hell away from what youdon't know.
You and I self-educate on there.
I don't like not knowing.
You know you probably get thesame thing I do all the time.

(44:15):
Well, especially throughbuilding a house.
Well, how did you know how todo that?
Well, how do you know aboutthis?
How do you know about this?
Because I self-educate, so you.
So somebody asked me to dosomething.
If I wanted to, I could do it,but I would have to have a

(44:36):
certain level of self-educatingto be able to do it, and even
that's taxing.
So that's kind of like thesmall-town general practitioner
attorney.
Come one, come all.
I've hung a shingle.
I'll do your divorce.
I'll bail your cousin out ofjail Not his drugs.
I'll close on your house deal.
I'll write your will so mom andthem can get everything If

(44:58):
something happened to you.
That in and of itself is askill set for anybody that can
do that.
That's not me All right, I'veseen you there and you were
miserable miserable, because somuch of that time is
self-educating, right, if I'mgoing to charge somebody,
especially if I'm going to holdmyself out as being a person

(45:18):
that can help you with yourproblems or something that you
want like, I've got to feel thatI'm capable of doing that on
things.
So you're right, it was.
It was a miserable period, um,and now, with what I'm doing,
very rarely does something comeacross that I actually um, have

(45:39):
got to do some research on.
And I mean you're, you're abetter, um, more specialized,
right?
You talk about thingsdifferently when you have an
adequate knowledge about them.
There's no hemming and hawing.
So now you know as busy asthings are.
If somebody calls up and says,hey, I have a question about X,
y or Z, if it's in my wheelhouse, I good, I can have an answer

(46:03):
for you, yes or no.
That that quick, and that'swhat it takes.
You know when you really get inthe busy season of things, okay
, well, the answer was no.
That's not what I was expecting, but you sound pretty
definitive.
You know why?
Because I am definitive aboutit.

Speaker 1 (46:19):
The answer is no that people specialize in things.
Not that there's not a spacefor a jack of all trades, but
think about a generalpractitioner.
Do you want a generalpractitioner doing brain surgery
on you?
Absolutely not.
All the more reason, like evenin what you do now, if you're
doing a $7, $10, $12, $15million deal.

(46:40):
Do you want somebody that washandling a divorce case morning
working on your $12 million deal?
Absolutely not.

Speaker 2 (46:49):
Well, as long as nothing comes up, that's of
consequence.
You never know.
Well, it could be easy.

Speaker 1 (46:54):
It could be.
It could be.
Everything was.
You know, all the I's were werealready dotted and T's crossed.
But you know you're, you are onthe front end.

Speaker 2 (47:05):
You can solve so many problems because you just don't
let them come up, becausebecause the contract is right,
right, that's right, that is oneside of the coin, but life
happens and that's why there's asecond side of the coin, and
that's that.
You know, problems do come up,problems do arise.

(47:26):
You advise somebody ofsomething on the front end.
They didn't do it.
Now how?
How are we going to?
How are we going to deal withwhat's going on after that?
Um so yeah, I agree, I abdicate100%.
This is what I do, this is whatI know, and if it's outside of
the scope of things I'mcomfortable with, I will find

(47:48):
you somebody who's morespecialized and can give you a
better answer.

Speaker 1 (47:51):
Yeah Well, and to take it back to the home
reference, this was a very realone for me, as we say that after
we talked about how we are nothome builders and built our own
home that our family and smallchildren live in.

Speaker 2 (48:05):
You may continue.

Speaker 1 (48:06):
But I think we can both agree your engineering
background and my justwillingness to overbuild.
We probably have the safesthomes anywhere around,
Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (48:20):
Whenever I'd get to the stage.
So Jim was about two yearsahead of me on everything.
So I'd ask Jim, what'd you dofor this?
It's like, oh, I used 24 by 24inch beams and seven of them and
I'm like, okay, well, not goingto do that, Um, but, yeah,
definitely overcompensation.
It's um, uh, it's not goinganywhere.

(48:41):
Your house is not.

Speaker 1 (48:42):
No, definitely not, Um, but you know a real world
example of how, um, one simplemistake costs an insane amount
of time and and potentially,money.
So you know my concrete, I lovemy, I love the concrete work
that was done on the property.
It's fantastic, it's.
You know, it's stamped, it's.

(49:03):
You know all the things theydid, crazy things that they
thought I was crazy about askingfor.
Uh, but one of the things thatthey forgot is I had a piece of
pipe laying there that wassupposed to go right underneath
it so that I would have wiringfor my two front porch lights,
and when they started doing thesteps, they forgot to put that

(49:24):
piece of pipe in there.
And so, four years later, shoutout to Jason Lewis.
Jason Lewis and his team dug upunderneath and put the pipe
underneath one side and becausethey couldn't go all the way
across cause the pad is so longright there had to go around the
front of the porch to get tothe other side.

(49:46):
So now, four years later, wefinally connected with that one
already paid for $2 piece ofpipe would have taken care of.
And the same is true in acontract.
If you forget to put in aclause or something of that
nature.
It can cause a lot of heartache, time, effort, hurt feelings,

(50:06):
all kinds of things down theroad.

Speaker 2 (50:08):
Right, and you know, contracts are always they can
say anything.
I mean, it's kind of like,where you get into trouble is if
somebody wants to enforce whatthey say, yeah.
So I mean, and that happens,people make mistakes.
Once again I'm going back to Imake plenty of them, um, and
then just look, look forsolutions on how to fix them.

Speaker 1 (50:31):
Yeah, Now the next part, um, I think you and I see
eye to eye on almost down downto the letter, is protecting
your reputation.
You know, um, I think I've I'vealways for you know, whatever
30 years been known as somebodywho's trustworthy, and I would

(50:52):
say the same exact thing, exactsame thing about you, um, but
how important is reputation toyou?

Speaker 2 (51:00):
It.
It is the hallmark thing.
You know, we all grew up andour parents were like well, your
reputation is going to speakfor you and, of course, me,
coming after my dad, you know,who had a good reputation on
doing things.
Um, it's something that youreally need to protect.
Um, I subscribe to the theoryof like.

(51:20):
If, if doubt ever enters intomy mind about anything, then
then my mindset about that iskind of never the same.
You don't want to give somebodyreason for doubt.
Um, and I'm happy to say that Iwon't say on all things, but

(51:42):
most all things that matter, Ihave never compromised.
Here's an example Engineeringin Atlanta there's a property
that was in the floodplain andthis is back when we'd scale in
the, scan in and overlay floodmaps.
Took a piece of paper, scannedit in, overlaid it on AutoCAD.

(52:04):
This is where the flood line isand you had to stay out of that
.
Well, I was working with thedeveloper and he's like were you
sure that floodplain line iswhere it is?
Because if it was back just alittle bit, I could get another
lot in there.
And at the time, you know 2004,that's $85,000.
That's another lot I can get.

(52:25):
Are you sure you drew it inright.
I'm positive, all right.
Well, this was the samedeveloper that took me to play
golf, right, but that's where itis.
And throughout the professionalworld, you are going to have
the opportunity to move off ofcenter and put your reputation

(52:48):
at stake frequently.
Yeah, You're going to have theopportunity to make money.
That seems too easy.

Speaker 1 (52:59):
For those reasons, and you're also going to see
other people do it and prosperor even you know short term,
make those gains which doesn'tmake it any easier to walk the
straight and narrow, but that is, that's one of the things that
that I think about me.

Speaker 2 (53:18):
That's one of the things that I think people think
about me and I like that Allright.
If, if I say I'm going to dosomething, I'm going to do it,
things come up.
They always do with people andyou'll understand it.
You know, if I was supposed tohave you something by tomorrow
night and it turns out that, um,you know, I had to have a

(53:40):
surgery, I mean, there's reasonsthat I can't get that done,
you're fine with that.
Get that done, you're fine withthat.
Um, you know.
And so it means it means a lotPeople will come back to you for
your advice If they know youhave their best interest in mind
, um, and they don't have anyreason to reason to doubt you.

(54:01):
So, yeah, don't compromise.
The one takeaway for anybody isdon't compromise in what is
your reputation.
You can't do it, especially.
I mean you can't undo it either.
I'm 46, made it this far.
Why do I want to screw it upnow?
Yeah, got another.

(54:21):
Never had a Mountain Dew.
People are like, well, whydon't you have a Mountain Dew?
I'm like, well, 46, never had aMountain Dew.
It's a good story for me.
I'm not going to have one,that's right, that's right.

Speaker 1 (54:32):
Um, so what's next for you?
I mean, you know, I know thisabout you, and the only thing
that I know about you is you'vegot to constantly be moving
forward, and I know that becauseI have to too, and when I get
most frustrated is when I don'tfeel like I'm moving forward.
And so you know you, didn't youcome into title a couple of

(54:55):
years ago?
Um, I don't want to say you'vemastered it, but you know, I
would say, with as many zeros asI could put on a contract, I
would absolutely trust you to bethe guy to make sure that
nothing was, was, was out ofline.
Um, you know what?
What's the next thing?

Speaker 2 (55:12):
you know, especially since you you have gotten into
the arena that you're in Allright.
You know, I've, I've followedJim, like you said, ever since,
um jams, right, since we were,since we were young and, truth
be known, jim's academic recordwas not stellar.
No, no absolutely not.

Speaker 1 (55:34):
At a couple of different places, that's right.
But I I am the only person youknow that has failed calculus
four times.
Jim did you?
Yes, how'd you not get kickedout?
Then I got an attorney at UT.
You fail calculus three timesthey.

Speaker 2 (55:53):
They don't ask you to leave they well try failing it
three times and being inengineering school.
So I was not.
But.
But you know the businessacumen, you know you've had it,
but you applied it to thebusiness that you were working
for.
Now that you're out doing whatyou're doing and you're actually
talking about it, it has it'sgotten me thinking a lot about.

(56:13):
Um, you know, what is it thatmakes me me, what is going to
challenge me?
And I've got a reputation ofyou know I'll do something for
three, four or five years, andthen I say I get bored with it.
And then I change and dosomething else, and not that I
get bored with the task at hand.
I think what I'm starting todiscover is I have got to have

(56:35):
something that moves me forwardpersonally or professionally,
and that's it and that's it.
Um, we all need money.
Money's good, money's great.
I'm proud to say that I havenever asked for a raise.
Um, I've always been in thethat hardheaded mindset that

(56:57):
listen, I mean, I'm not incharge of that.
I've almost all the time had anemployer.
All right, they can offer mewhat they want to offer me, and
I'll either work for them or Iwon't.
But it's always, it's alwaysworked out good, um, but I've
got to have something that thatchallenges me, um, and that's a

(57:18):
hard thing.
The hard thing too, because, um, you know, I think one of the
bigger skill sets is tact.
All right, we talked a littlebit about that.
It's not how you solve theproblem, but it's how you go
about it.
Oh yeah, there's some peoplethat are just inherently

(57:39):
Abrasive Assholes.
There you go, and hey, thereare people too.
They've got business that needsto be transacted.
If I want to, I think I canpretty much deal with anybody
for a certain period of time.
So, you know, that's one of thethings that is, in and of

(58:02):
itself, a skill set.
I know law, I know engineering,I know title, but also
engineering, I know title, butalso, like no people, you don't
have to like everybody you dealwith, but that doesn't I mean
they still have something thatneeds to get accomplished Right,
irrespective of theirpersonality traits, um, and if
you choose to sign up and workfor them, well, take that into

(58:23):
account the type person thatyou're dealing with to help get
the job done.
So that's an example of thingsthat I'm kind of discovering
about me that go into my overallskill set that you ask about.
Well, what's next Is developingthat?
You know what?
Am I selling to somebody?
Am I selling to somebody that Ican?

(58:44):
I can close your transaction.
I can get you title insurance,I can sit across from a table
from it.
I'll even put on a tie for somepeople or am am I selling to
you know my employer and theproduct is whole?
Yeah, I'll get you there, butI'm also going to make sure it's

(59:05):
a good experience, this whole.
Yeah, I'll get you there, butI'm also going to make sure it's
a good experience.
I'm also going to give you goodadvice, and I do do that.
The people that I'm closest withand advise I'll be like well,
this is what it says, and if Iwas in your shoes, this is what
I would do.
And these are people that I'veknown now for and does done

(59:25):
business with for upwards to adecade, and I think they put a
lot of stock in that.
Sure, you know a lot of themhave a lot of money and they
realize the difference.
You know that, hey, if I was inyour shoes, I would do this.
I can't personally, but this iswhy I think you should do this.
Um, so you know, uh, thathoning in on things, you know,

(59:52):
that's that three to five yearsI'm bored type of thing figuring
out like the next step fromthat um, just because you solve
a problem, because you walkthrough shit once, doesn't mean
you want to do it daily, allright.
Um, so figuring things out likethat, how do I make myself a
better employee with my skillset?

(01:00:14):
Right, you know how.
How do you take something likewe spoke about earlier.
That's not necessarily scalableand you know what's the next
step for that?
Because you know, as anemployee, I'm a big believer
that you need to have opencommunication with your employer

(01:00:35):
, two way street, all right,you're not indebted to them.
You're there to help make themmoney and they pay you
accordingly.
Right, but you, it's also goodto know where do they want to be
as a company?
Yeah, well, I want to be a $20million a year company.
I'm in a five year milliondollar company now.
Well, how do you want to dothat?
Well, I just want to make moremoney.

(01:00:56):
I need 10 more Quintins, yes,you know.
But also, what's your next stepas an?
I mean, what do they see asyour next step as an employee?
Because it doesn't have to belisten.
Long gone are the times whereour parents what did you start
doing once you got into the workworld?
Well, I worked for Nissan and Idid it for 40 years, and now

(01:01:17):
it's time to retire.
I was a teacher for 40 years.
Applause to those people.
Tremendous accomplishment andlongevity.
But the world, for the mostpart, is not like that anymore.
It moves fast.
Technology is changing,business is changing, so there's
nothing wrong with being aninterim employee for somebody If

(01:01:46):
it's a two-way street.
What can you help me learn?
But to do that you've got tohave good community, good
communication, to know what itis you're trying to accomplish,
what they have to offer you andvice versa, what you're offering
them.
Mostly, mostly, you see a jobposting.
It says can you do this?
You say hey.

(01:02:07):
I can do that, yes, I'm your guy, and that's the extent of
knowledge that that they have is.
They said they could do what'son this paper.
Well, what are they doing foryou, besides giving you a
paycheck and the more you knowabout what like?
How do you achieve a goal ifyou don't even talk about what
the goal is?

Speaker 1 (01:02:24):
Well, you don't.
I mean that's just in theinherent start of a goal.
Right is when it's got to bewritten down and then you've got
to have steps towards it.
There's a process to it and Ido think people lose sight of
that and I know we've talkedabout this analogy before.
But it's really kind of how Isaw hiring and I've made every

(01:02:46):
mistake.
You can well not every, but Imean I've made a lot of the
mistakes you can possibly makein hiring and interviewing
people.
And you know, after hiringroughly 2000 people over the
last 20 years, um, somewherealong the way I figured out it
was.
It was kind of like thehitchhiker that has agreed to
pay for gas, almost like rideshare, but we didn't have ride
share.
When, when, when was kind oflike the hitchhiker that has
agreed to pay for gas, almostlike rideshare, but we didn't

(01:03:07):
have rideshare, when we kind ofstarted talking about this.
But employment is that way.
So imagine that we're inBarstow, california, we're at
almost the beginning of I-40.
And I'm interviewing somebody,so they're the hitchhiker, and I
don't mean this derogatory, butit's to paint the picture.

(01:03:30):
So it could just be that it wasunseasonably cold and that's
why they want to get in a car,you know.
So it could be that they justneed money, like if you're an
employee and you just need a job, well, but for most people
that's not enough, because wemay be trying to get to two
different places.
And so if I truly figure outwhere it is that you're trying

(01:03:53):
to go and you're trying to go toTexas and I'm headed to
Tennessee well then it makessense for us to ride together
for a certain period of time.
But if you hold back and youreally want to go to Alaska and
I'm headed to Tennessee, well,this employee-employer
relationship is going to getmore and more tense every mile

(01:04:15):
that I drive.
There's only a very shortperiod of time that you're going
to be thankful that you're notout in the cold or in the rain
anymore, meaning that you'regetting a paycheck.
And the further we go, thefurther you're getting away from
where you're trying to go.
So you become less hospitable,you become more aggravated.
I start to wonder why you'renot being grateful.
And so we become adversarial,whereas we just shouldn't have

(01:04:39):
been in the car with each otherto start with, like I shouldn't
have hired that person.
Also, if you're headed to Texas,there's clearly a jumping off
point where that you saidinterim, but it could be a year,
it could be five years, whoknows.
But as long as we're bothgetting closer to our goals,
that makes sense.
But I also know as an employerthat somewhere in Texas it's

(01:05:02):
going to make sense for you toget out of the car and if we've
had that conversation up frontand we've had check-ins along
the way, I'm cheering you on,I'm excited about you getting to
your destination and I have nofalse pretenses that you're
riding with me all the way tothe end.
But I think so many timespeople don't do enough work in

(01:05:23):
the interview in order to figurethat out.

Speaker 2 (01:05:25):
Right, it's kind of figure that out, right it's kind
of like a relationship yeahRight, you date a lot of people.
You don't marry them all,that's right, all right.
So throughout the vettingprocess, you know, if you say
you don't want kids on the thirddate, your companion says I
want three kids.
You know that that's not headeddown the same path, which is

(01:05:46):
good.
Kids.
You know that that's not headeddown the same path, which is
good.
And I think, a lot of times youknow the interview process,
which totally not my thing, yourthing, not mine is.
The art to it is to try tofigure out as much as you can
the employee, potentialemployees, coming in there
saying I can do all of this,I'll work hard, I'll work real
hard.
Matter of fact, the more youpay me, the harder I'll work.

(01:06:07):
But lost in that is thedialogue of okay, I'm going to
work hard, I'm going to do this,I'm going to master this skill.
Then what is that?
Is that?
It Is the cycle I keep doing itand doing it.
That's fine, that's a lot ofdifferent jobs and some people
are geared for that and somepeople are not, and some people
are not, and I think that I amnot, because real life example a

(01:06:33):
while back I had an opportunityto go to potentially work for a
company that five years agowould have been my okay I want
to do this, would have been myokay I want to do this.
And it kind of caught me offguard and um got to talking
about things and, you know it,it got to the point of, after a

(01:06:58):
week or so, they wanted to starttalking about money.
And that's when I just said,listen, I'm, I'm happy where I'm
at, I'm liking what I'm doing,I'm headed down this path.
And, uh, I think I'm just goingto stay where I'm at, because I
didn't want the money to be afactor in that, yeah, and that I
mean, like I said, I like moneyas much as the next person,

(01:07:19):
wish I had more of it, um, onthat, but I didn't want that to
be what influenced me ultimately.
And the same thing when I saidabout personal and professional
growth All right, yes, I'm notnaive to think that money isn't
a part of that, but I don't wantit to be.
Yeah, all right, I'm a, I'm aself educator on things that I,

(01:07:45):
that I don't know.
All right, we all need somebodyto help us.
I was in a great situation goingto Wagon Wheel Title, where I'm
at now, where somebody that wasthere knew long-term that's not
what they wanted to do.
But they were there for aninterim period of over a year
and I sat right beside them andI sucked that up Every question
I had Eric, eric, eric, it wasgreat.

(01:08:06):
It helped me get my feet underme a whole lot quicker.
Um, so it's not always a badthing to to say Jim, I'm going
to join your company and fromwhat it sounds like and what the
steps are for advancement, Igot three years with your

(01:08:29):
company.
I'm going to give you hard workfor three years, but then,
after that three years is up, Idon't know what's next.
But I think we both agree thatyou're not going to sell me your
company, right?
So how can you help me threeyears from now, once I have,

(01:08:49):
hopefully, your company's in abetter place?
I've worked hard, we've bothlearned, but you know it'd be
great if you could work that outon the front end, if you had
enough dialogue through theinterview or knew enough.
I mean, it's not ideal.
It usually takes a while tolearn both sides before you can
have that conversation.
But you know a defined or a youknow, less than 30 year career

(01:09:14):
and employer is the is the norm.
Why does it?
It doesn't have to always endbad but, like you said, like
your car ride example, too manypeople who are going to Alaska
don't really say what's on theirmind until they get in Arkansas
and they're like well, hell,man, I'm trying to get to Alaska

(01:09:37):
, why am I in Arkansas?
I don't know, man, I justoffered you a ride.
I said I'm going to Tennesseeand you're still in my car,
right, and then it turns bad foreverybody.
So you know, what's next for meis trying to learn more about
me and the skillset that I have,the way I can fulfill that
personal and or professionalgrowth and move things forward.

Speaker 1 (01:09:57):
I love it, man.
I love it.
Let's talk about.
Let's talk about health for aminute.
We touched on it a littleearlier.
Let's talk about health for aminute.
We touched on it a littleearlier.
Now, back up to June 22nd ofthis year you and I both were
heavier than we are now.
Yes, and we got that way onaccident, meaning we chose not

(01:10:21):
to make better choices and welet work and family and being
busy and all kinds of things beexcuses, and chicken wings and
Mexican and bourbon, yeah yeah.
Definitely tortilla chips.
And uh, man, we started talkinguh, this would have been kind
of early or mid June.
And I said, man, why don't youdo this animal based diet with

(01:10:43):
me?
And uh, let's knock it out.
And you jumped all full onboard and uh, any idea how much
weight you've lost, uh, maybe,maybe 30 pounds, something like
that.

Speaker 2 (01:10:55):
But that that's my MO .
Okay, I can't half anything.
No, no, all in.
It's like listen.
If to run a marathon, let'slike run the, run the marathon.
Yeah, why, why take two?

Speaker 1 (01:11:09):
weeks to do something when you can do it in one week.
Yeah, it's like things I don'twant to practice it, I just go
do it.
That's it, yeah.
So, uh, what's now?

Speaker 2 (01:11:15):
what's next on the health thing, health side, um
well, I'm still doing it and Ilike it, the variety of it and
you know, like you said, it'smainly um.
I guess it's kind of like aketo thing.
Try to eat under 25 carbs a dayand 200 grams of protein, which
is work.
It is work, man, it's work.
It's laborious at times.

(01:11:37):
What's been your highestprotein day?
Probably like 250 or somethinglike that, but that's when I
just have like a bunch ofleftover meat and I'm like it's
going to spoil.
I'll just eat this bag of meatfor dinner.
You know it's depressing.
It's not much for family meals.
You know you don't sit out atthe table and you know they're

(01:11:58):
having like lasagna and I'mhaving a bag of bowl of meat
over here.

Speaker 1 (01:12:02):
But it is high quality meat it is.

Speaker 2 (01:12:04):
Now it is grass-fed grass-finished, jim and I took
our relationship to a new level.
We bought a cow.
Yes, we did the same cow.

Speaker 1 (01:12:14):
Went to the middle of nowhere Kentucky to pick it up
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:12:16):
So you know a funny thing too.
I haven't told you this.
But Jim's also like hey, man,you need to be taking these
vitamins.
I'm like dad gum man, like sendme a list.
He's like, I'll do better thanthat, I'll put it in your amazon
cart.
So he puts it in my amazon card, he like creates this page and
all he's like all you got to dois click accept or whatever.

(01:12:38):
So I did, and I take these 13pills.
Meanwhile I've got afive-year-old daughter and a
six-month-old son now andthey're in daycare and with that
comes germs and sicknessregularly.
So, kelly, my wife is takingthis vitamin.
You know it's like immuno, butit's like three pills.
Yeah, she's like Quentin, yougot to take these pills, right

(01:12:59):
Cause I started getting sick,and it's just like it's a little
.
Jimmy tells you take 13 pillsand you take 13 pills.
I'm your wife telling you totake three and you won't take
them.
What kind of pull does Jim haveover you?
So that's the current battle inour house is why I don't take

(01:13:23):
her three pills compared to your13.
And I'm just like, babe, I'm acreature of habit, all right, I
do the same thing to Emily.

Speaker 1 (01:13:28):
I'm like here's your new vitamins.
And she's like, oh, okay.

Speaker 2 (01:13:33):
So there I am.
I'm just like counting them outin my closet every morning 13
little pills, oh yeah.
Otherwise, the pill bottles aresitting right there she wants
me to take.
I don't know there you go, butI'm enjoying it.
I feel better.
Yeah, it's a little bit hard totell how much better I feel
because at the same time I cameoff cholesterol medicine yes,

(01:13:56):
which is the devil.
It is awful.
So had a CT calcium scan.
Everything's great, scored zero.
Not the only thing I've scoredzero on, but one I'm excited
about scoring a zero on.
So yeah, I feel I feel better.
I mean, it's not I need to getback into the exercise and
things like like you do.
But um, yeah, it just.
It's a world of difference.

(01:14:17):
And now I've got, you know,before this, I tell my daughter
she's like, get out on the floorand play Elsa with me.
All right, I'll get down thefloor, but when I get up I'm not
getting back down, that type ofthing.

Speaker 1 (01:14:30):
Um, so yeah, now you can do both, now you can get up
and get down.

Speaker 2 (01:14:33):
I don't have yeah, I don't have a choice with a six
month old as well, but uh, yeah,I feel I feel a lot better than
I have in the last decade.

Speaker 1 (01:14:42):
I love it man, I love it.
Um, I'm so proud of you too, Imean, and I know you're not a
halfway guy, like I know youwere going to go all in and I'm
just glad that it's helped you.
I'm glad that you're feelingbetter.
You look, I mean you lookliterally like 10 years younger.
Um, because you know, back upto June you look sick man and

(01:15:03):
and I felt bad cause I felt badCause I was like, oh my gosh,
like how do I, how do I talk himinto it?
And thank goodness, like youwere like I'm ready, I'm yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:15:14):
I had been ready.
And you know, hey, life's likeI said, it's not easy.
You get busy.
Yeah, all right.
I give my day everything I have.
I probably, honestly, Iprobably peak around one 30.
I get started in the mornings,wake up at five.
You know the days I don't dropoff at daycare.
I'm in the office between six,six, 30.
I hit it hard, no fluff.

(01:15:35):
I don't go to lunch, because ifI go to lunch for an hour
that's an hour more work I gotto have.
But when I get home I'm just,I'm ready to tap out.
That's it.
I've given everything I had togive and some days it's not fair

(01:15:56):
to my family.
But, um, yeah, I was.
You know, the last thing Iwanted to do was come home or go
to a gym or something like that.

Speaker 1 (01:15:59):
But I'm learning a new routine and it's, it's good,
good man, how's uh?
How's, how's Miss Bailey andFelix?
They're great yeah they'regreat.

Speaker 2 (01:16:05):
They're two weeks sickness and you know, the Santa
came by the house and that wasall exciting and, um, it's, it's
great.
You know a six-month-old at 46can be.
It's interesting.
Yeah, it's interesting.
You know, I won't name names,but we had a friend when we were

(01:16:27):
in high school.
It's like his dad is so old.
How do you think his dad is?
His dad was 60 when wegraduated high school 60.
That's why we don't ever goover to his house and play.
His dad was ancient.
That's why.
And then I'm like, oh okay, 46plus 18.

(01:16:49):
Woo, yeah, this will be fun.

Speaker 1 (01:16:54):
Well, this is going to help you get there, and help
you get there in better shapeand be able to enjoy it along
the way yeah, and and you, youpushed me there because I would
still be on that miserable pathof um.

Speaker 2 (01:17:06):
You know, it's just, it's been, it's been a
marketable change, it's's beengreat.

Speaker 1 (01:17:12):
Yeah, Well, good deal , man.
I'm proud of you.
You know one of the things thatwe did as part of a group years
ago, and so a big shout out toLarry Roberts at Pinnacle Bank.
So Larry puts on a mastermindgroup every I guess it's like
every eight to 12 weeks, and weboth joined that and went

(01:17:32):
through the e-myth and that kindof thing.
And I know, I know the e-mythwas a big deal for you.
It was, I think that wasprobably.

Speaker 2 (01:17:40):
You know, when somebody at a bank they're like,
hey, you want to join ourmastermind class, I'm like got
no idea what it is, but I suredo.
Um.
So we met and we went throughthis book and that's probably
the first professionaldevelopment book that I read and
I think it was great for thisreason, because it outlined

(01:18:02):
identifying what type of personyou are from a work sense.
Are you a task-oriented person?
Are you a managerial-orientedperson?
Are you an entrepreneur?
All right, and I've worked withsome entrepreneurial minded
people and I am not them.
I thought they were crazy, butwhat I was thinking about they

(01:18:26):
were thinking about years agoand had since moved on and
that's why we didn't have thatconnect.
And managerial I am not, I'mright, I like to do things, I
like to be in control.
If it's assigned to me, I don'tcare.
If you assign other people tome, I'm still going to do it.
So I'm a worker bee, I'm taskoriented, all right.

(01:18:47):
And which lends itself to beinga fixer, which is which is huge
for me to first start toidentify what.

Speaker 1 (01:18:56):
I am.

Speaker 2 (01:18:57):
Yeah, all right, and I'm not going to change to be
one of these other people LikeI'm, embracing this, all right.
And I feel a lot of people say,well, man, I've got management
written all over me.
Look at me, I went to college,I went to law school, like
people like me.
Why can't I be a manager?

(01:19:19):
Well, that's just not yourskillset and that's fine.
Don't try to be somethingyou're not.
So that was a huge.
First step for me is to identifywhat am I?
Yeah, what is my skillsskillset?
And my skillset is doing, allright, I have control issues,
all right.
If you know, I delegatesomething and somebody makes a

(01:19:42):
mistake.
Well, it's harder for me toapologize for their mistake than
if it is my own Right, it'sjust the way.
I am not going to changenothing wrong with it.
So that was a.
That was a big, big help for me.
Um, cause I never thought aboutit?
Yeah, you know, you think youknow I'm a.
I'm a professional.
I need people to manage andthat's how you scale and I need

(01:20:04):
to start my own business andthat's how you make lots of
money and all these things.
That's great for the peoplethat can do it, but don't try to
be something you're not.
Celebrate what you are and makethe most of that.

Speaker 1 (01:20:17):
I love it All right, changing gears.
Just a little bit.
What would you say is your mostfun moment in your life to date
?

Speaker 2 (01:20:36):
Yeah, you know, there's people that have kids.
Having a kid is kind of like abig deal.
You're like I'm responsible forother beings.
Now that's great.
I mean it's the big.
Did you say the most fun?
Yeah, most fun.

Speaker 1 (01:20:58):
Oh, man, and and I want to I want to give you a an
opportunity to be off the hookto some degree on this one,
because, uh, as, as somebodythat has an 11 year old, they
get much more fun than like.
You know, there's this, there'sthis innocence phase and and
there's a moment when that goesaway and the innocence is kind

(01:21:21):
of you don't really know the dayor the minute that it happened,
but there's a moment where thatinnocence that is over your
child's face and it's just partof their psyche.
There's a there's a momentwhere that's just gone, and I
remember the week that thathappened with Castle, but it's
traded for the new version andthey're more fun, and so, you

(01:21:45):
know, as Castle gets older, weget to do more things together,
and so I say that, to say it mayor may not involve kids,
because they're five and sixmonths old.

Speaker 2 (01:21:59):
Yeah, it's the.
I still have those fun things.
Now, you know, the innocent,the innocent fun.
I mean Santa Claus knocked onour door and came in our house
last Sunday.
That was kind of a big deal.
That's like we know the man Imean he think there's a lot of
people in the world he singledus out came to our house, so
that that's a big deal and thereactions that that came with

(01:22:22):
that.
So, um, you know, just, it'smore experiences, the fun of the
fun of things.
I mean it's not individualaccomplishments or anything,
individual accomplishments oranything.
So, um, you know, and it's it'sa little bit hard to say this
because it's like I need moreexperiences in life.

(01:22:42):
That's one of the downsides ofhaving a good work ethic is you
can't, you can't shut it off.
Yeah, you almost need like ahandler, all right, and it needs
to be your employer.
Yeah, they know, they need torealize that this is what you
are, and the more that theyassign to you, you're going to
get it done, but it's also goingto be taken away from you and

(01:23:04):
your family and then, when yourealize that it creates
resentment and everything else.
So I need more experiences.
You know, I'm going to try tohave more experiences this next
year.
You know I'm going to try tohave more experiences this next
year.
You know, a family tripsomewhere, this, that and other.
I'm going with a couple of guysover to Scotland to do that.
So you know there've been.
It's, it's all experiences.
I think for anybody that's beenbeen fun.

(01:23:26):
I mean, you go to theuniversity of Alabama for five
years and four summers to getone degree.
You've you've had your level offun on things.
But that's what it's about.
It's just.
For me it's going to be the funof experiences with family and
the ones going forward.

Speaker 1 (01:23:42):
For sure, man, I look forward to it.
That's good stuff.
Um, all right, so this is arandom one, but because I'm a
bowler and you've known methroughout this whole situation,
um, you know, I can.
I can remember you and your dadand miss Jenny stopping by my
house when I lived inClarksville and your dad just

(01:24:04):
being like and you bowlbackwards, why?
And I mean, obviously I didn'thave a good response, but
nevertheless still at it Um, but, if we were going to put on a
celebrity or charity eventaround bowling and you had to

(01:24:27):
pick a team and these, thesepeople could be celebrities,
they could be people you'veknown, they could be living or
not living, anybody throughouthistory who would you have on
your team?

Speaker 2 (01:24:41):
Wow, no clue.
If they're bowlers Doesn'tmatter.
Tiger Woods Just an intriguingindividual to me.

Speaker 1 (01:24:57):
He was on Virgil's, by the way.

Speaker 2 (01:24:59):
Shocker, let's do Frank Sinatra, nate Borgazzi,
because I got to have somebodyto be like comedically stupid
with and he's got my same sortof personality of dry satire,

(01:25:21):
but with great timing.
Yeah, all right, and biggereyes.

Speaker 1 (01:25:25):
And so all right, so that's who you're going to bowl
with.
You get to pick a commentator.

Speaker 2 (01:25:33):
You know what I like?
The guy who was on Holy Moly,who's also the sportscaster guy
I forget his name.
He's called a few Titans games.
Anyway, he's an NFLsportscaster guy.
He's on, he did Holy Moly andhe is just quick witted.

(01:25:56):
Yeah, quick witted and um, justthe comedic side of things.
That's who I'd have it.
His voice and inflections inhis voice they're spot on, all
right.

Speaker 1 (01:26:06):
I love it, man.
All right, last thing.
So, um, if you had one bit ofadvice out there to give to
somebody that's watching thispodcast right now and they are,
they're feeling stuck, orthey're feeling maybe that they
picked the wrong career path, ormaybe that, you know, they
don't have control over howtheir life is going, or their

(01:26:28):
happiness level, or maybe theirhealth, what is, what's the
advice you give to them rightnow?

Speaker 2 (01:26:37):
First of all, if you're in a job that you're not
happy with, talk to youremployer.
I mean, they're people, right,they want what's best for you,
because what's best for you isbest for them.
So it's good to have that openline of communication.
Maybe they have an idea ofsomething else you can do.
Maybe they, you know, willencourage you to go do something

(01:27:00):
else.
If they know you're miserable,they're not going to want you to
hang around Not good for officemorale.
But there's other reasons, youknow.
And the other thing is, reallydo some thinking about what it
is that is your skill set.
I mean, before you asked me twomonths ago if I wanted to be on
your podcast, you know I hadkind of thought about it, but

(01:27:23):
just kind of like a businessplan or anything else.
You know, I hadn't reallywritten it down.
I could kind of talk about it.
But everybody has a skill setand it's not knowledge all the
time, it's not book smarts, itmay be how you go about doing
something, it may be thecompassion that you have or show
something.
That's still a skill set, whatmakes you valuable in what you

(01:27:47):
do.
So, you know, always tellpeople too that listen when I'm.
When I'm disgruntled on things.
I mean I like to verbalize Idon't want to call it I'm
bitching, just a bitch but youknow it's good to hear yourself
say it sometimes.
But I encourage people thataren't happy, like before you go

(01:28:08):
into a review and you justcomplain how do you solve it?
I mean, what's your solution?
You should know you better thananybody else.
You know better than youremployer, better than your
spouse.
You should know you, and if youcan't tell somebody how to make
better use of you, how are theysupposed to do that?
Yeah, so, and that is notsomething like flipping a light

(01:28:33):
switch You're not just going tosay you know what, after dinner
tonight I'm going to sit downand I'm going to think about me
and then tomorrow I'm going tomarch right in there and we'll
make things happen.
Doesn't work that way.
So spend time on yourself is towhat?
What is it that makes you avalue add to somebody else?

(01:28:55):
You know it's not like now I'vebeen literally within the last
two weeks I'm discovering thatmine is not engineering or law
or anything else, that anybodyelse can pick up a book and pass
the test and read.
All right, it's.
It's bigger than that it's.

(01:29:15):
People want to work with mebecause they've had a good
experience, because of the wayI've treated them, because of
the way I've responded to anemail or the way that I have
advised them, or because theywere used to having the volume
based experience.
And then they got a differentexperience with me, somebody
that actually took an interestin what they were trying to

(01:29:37):
accomplish.
So none of those things areacademic, they're all just
personality.
All right, and you may be astick in the mud on the
personality, but you may besmart as a whip.
Focus on that, you know, but dothat If you're stuck in a rut.
You haven't always been in thatrut, whatever it is.

(01:29:58):
Addiction, job, forwardthinking.
Just put some effort intothinking about what makes me me,
what makes me valuable, and gofrom there.

Speaker 1 (01:30:12):
Yeah Well, you know, um I don't know if you saw the
um, the episode with GiannisLasmanis, um, and he's from
Latvia, so you know long way,long way from home here in
Nashville these days and, uh, hesaid it's all going to be all
right in the end.
So if it's not all right rightnow, it's not the end.

(01:30:34):
And I was like, wow, that'sgood, I got to write that down.
But we get to tell our ownstory and I think we have to own
our mistakes, be accountable towhere we're at today.
And by being accountable towhere we're at today, it gives
us the power to change it.
And because if you say it's ohwell, life happened to me and

(01:30:57):
this happened to me and I didn'thave any control over it, well,
it also insinuates that youdon't have control to change it.
But you do, and you have tomake up that your mind.
You have to decide that it'sworth changing, and a lot of
that is through self-discoveryand knowing who you are and what
you want in life.
Uh, at least in some direction.

Speaker 2 (01:31:17):
Yeah, that's a big thing now too, that you caught
on is like it's okay to makemistakes but like if you make a
mistake don't make an excuse.
Yep, I did it.
Why?
Well, I mean, I don't know why,sometimes things just happen.
But here's what I'm going to doto fix it.
Yeah, and that makes you aperson that separates you from

(01:31:40):
the herd, and the fact thatyou're approachable.
You know, the person thatyou're working with probably
didn't make that same mistake.
They might have, but they havemade mistakes.
And you know, no matter howhard I try and precise, as I try
to be, I make mistakes, but I'malways the first one to say I'm
sorry and apologize for it.

(01:32:01):
It's kind of funny at my, mylast job, I had to deal with a
lot more people in public onsome things, and you know I
actually I wrote I think it wasfive I'm sorry cards, boss, that
they got calls after people hadinteracted with me and they're

(01:32:22):
like you know, we've got yourback on all this stuff and we
understand, but still, you don'tlike people are vulnerable,
just inherently, like there'snothing wrong with showing that
side of things.
You know, I like to think thatI can fix just about any problem
.
There you have it, but I'mgoing to make some mistakes as

(01:32:44):
I'm doing it.
We're not perfect and I'll beapologetic for it and I'll try
not to make it again.
But be wary of people that saythat they don't make mistakes.

Speaker 1 (01:32:53):
Oh yeah, well, they're not make mistakes, oh
yeah, no, well, they don't.
They're not being truthful inthat moment.
Plain and simple.

Speaker 2 (01:32:59):
Back to the trust and all the other things we talked
about.
That will follow you.

Speaker 1 (01:33:03):
That's right and reputation absolutely does.
Well, quentin, I appreciate youcoming in, I appreciate you
stepping out of, maybe, the norma little bit and joining me on
the podcast and you know, asalways, I mean again, best
friend for 30, 35 years.
You know I look forward togreat things that you're going

(01:33:25):
to do.
I look forward to the othergreat things that we'll
experience in life together andseeing you as a dad man.
You know it's hard to tellsomebody how awesome it is to be
to be a dad until they are, andyou know I love seeing you in
that, in that, in that space,and the fact that we get to
raise our kids together and andall those things.

(01:33:46):
Um, how does somebody get aholdof you?

Speaker 2 (01:33:49):
Well, I'm with wagon wheel title is where I've've
been at.
I've been there for going onfour years.
We're in East Nashville, greenHills.
My mugshot's up on theirwebsite if you want to reach out
to me and contact me that way.
We do, like I said, we doclosings, we do title work and
you know I think we've got agreat product for the size.

(01:34:12):
You know a lot of titlecompanies may have like an
attorney owner and everybodyelse that handles things is a
processor and I'm sure you know,proficient at stuff.
But we really do kind of fill aniche.
We've got eight or nineattorneys in-house at our firm,
so we're big enough that we cando some of the ancillary legal
things and keep it all underkind of one roof.

(01:34:34):
So it's good to get a goodgroup of owners, a good group of
employees and I'm enjoying it.

Speaker 1 (01:34:40):
That's awesome, man.
Well, until next time,everybody, I hope that you
enjoyed this time with my goodbuddy, quentin Horner attorney,
engineer, proud dad, husband andjust a rock star that I've
known for a very long time.
Until next time, I hope thatyou can take some nuggets from

(01:35:04):
this and other episodes andimprove your life and be excited
about the future.
We'll see you next time.
Bye-bye, hey, team Jim Cripps,here with the Charge Forward
Podcast.
I just wanted to tell you.
Hey, team Jim Cripps, here withthe Charge Forward Podcast.
I just wanted to tell you thankyou.
It is the holiday season and Ican't tell you how much I
appreciate everyone in my life,even those that I've never met.
They're out there listening tothis podcast.

(01:35:25):
I've been so fortunate to haveamazing people come in here in
the studio with me and sharetheir life story, and then all
the people that are in my lifethat got me to this point.
You know who you are and I justwanted to tell you thank you.
My life has been incredible.
It's not that there haven't beenlows and it's not like there
haven't been highs, but thereality is my life has been

(01:35:49):
improved and shaped and moldedby so many people been improved
and shaped and molded by so manypeople.
That's why I tell people allthe time I do not agree with
anybody saying that they are anisland or they're self-made,
because so many people, bothgood and bad, help us shape the
life that we lead.
So please take a few extramoments and just appreciate and

(01:36:11):
be grateful for all thewonderful people that make up
your world, and just know that Iam thankful for each and every
one of you.
From everybody here at theCharge Forward podcast and
HitLab Studios, I just want tosay thank you, happy holidays
and enjoy your family.
We'll see you later.

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