Chasing Thoughts | S03 E02: How Would Your Life Change if You Regarded it as Art?

In this thought-provoking episode, Keith and ‪Mindy explore the transformative power of viewing your life through an artistic lens. We start by delving into the concept of "Looking at Life Through The Lens of Art," where we discuss how this perspective can alter your experiences and mindset.

From there, we transition into "Expansion & Contraction," examining how life’s ebb and flow can be interpreted as a dynamic artistic process. Next, we dive into "Looking at Your Brain as its Own Culture," revealing how your inner world can be seen as a rich tapestry of creative expression. As we continue, we touch on the significance of "Rite of Passage" and its role in personal growth, before tackling the profound theme of "Death (and Rebirth??)," exploring how the concept of life cycles can inspire a fresh start.

We then uncover the "The Expansive Gift of Plant Meds," discussing how plant medicine can enhance your creative vision and spiritual awareness. Finally, we wrap up with "Your Spiritual BEingness" and "It's an Inside Job," reflecting on how understanding yourself as a work of art can lead to deeper self-realization and inner fulfillment.

Join us as we redefine the boundaries of creativity and existence, and discover how seeing your life as a masterpiece can profoundly change your reality.

00:00:00 Intro

00:04:20 Looking at Life Through The Lens of Art

00:09:40 Expansion & Contraction

00:18:20 Looking at Your Brain as its Own Culture

00:25:33 Rite of Passage

00:34:23 Death (and Rebirth??)

00:42:25 The Expansive Gift of Plant Meds

00:46:53 Your Spiritual BEingness

00:50:02 It's an Inside Job

Thanks for joining us!

Episode Transcript

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What is my next challenge in daring to be human?

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How do I connect with life?
How can I let go of my need for fixed answers in favor of aliveness?
How do I live free from the experiences that shaped me?
How can we be the change the world needs right now?
Join us weekly for Stony Conversations about life.
It is our mission to allow life itself to reveal to us the answers.

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Welcome to Chasing Thoughts.
Hi everybody, welcome to Chasing Thoughts.
It is almost the end of June.
It's summer. I'm always so surprised how fast summer goes.
When I found out it was the end of June today, like in my head,

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when I realized it, I'm like, oh shit.
We're just flying, flying right along.
Yeah, for some reason winter just feels longer for something.
Yeah, like it's just weird.
Yeah, it totally does.
So yeah, summer is going very quickly.
Yeah.
Are you enjoying it?
On my way.
Are you enjoying it?

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Yes and no. So I prefer winter.
I really love winter.
And so I'm one of those people that's like counting down the days to fall.
Oh wow. Okay.
I like summer and I love my gardening and I love being able to go for hikes.
But what I'm realizing more and more as I get older is.

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I need a lot of downtime and slow time and empty time.
And it never fails that summer seems busier, right?
There's more like barbecues and parties and weddings and people.
And it's kind of exhausting for me.
And when fall comes and I know that my weekends are just going to be like

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sitting on the couch reading my book while my husband watches football.
I'm like, oh, like I just feel the rest in that. Right.
I'm a very home body, you know, quiet person.
And so while I love summer,
it's often a little intense for my personality.
Yeah.
That's pretty interesting. Yeah.

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Sandy's the same way. Like she, she would rather,
it would rather be like winter for her. She just loves winter.
Yeah.
I love being cozy and, you know, sitting and reading with a cup of tea in my
mouth.
And I guess a dream afternoon for me.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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And I know it's not that way for other people and it's funny because,
you know, the group of friends I'm a part of here locally,
they're going to concerts and shows and like something every night and
doing it.
And it sounds like fun.
Theoretically.
Right.
And I'm like, oh, it sounds like fun in the way that like being a
fighter pilot sounds like fun. Like it is not reality for me.

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Right.
You know, I wish I was that kind of person sometimes, but I'm not.
So.
Nice. Yeah. Like, I like getting out. I think I like the summer better.
Just because getting out into nature has become so important for me.
Cause I'm a home body too. And it's very easy for me to get locked in.

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And I'm like, I'm not going to be able to get locked in.
I'm not going to be able to get locked in.
What do you need to be so cool? Sorry.
To have.
Like a little courtyard or like a cool little indoor outdoor space in
your house. Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah. Like where is it? Like, um, in, in, I think like South America,
they have those houses that are like built and there's like a square

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in the middle.
Even down in Louisiana, they have, they have something like that.
So, um,
I think that's a really good idea.
Yeah. So how was your week? Did you, did you learn,
did you stretch? What was it like for you this week?
Yeah. I'm really getting into, um, this idea of,
I really like connect with the idea of creation.

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So how we talked about last time, like looking at our life through the
lens of like art.
You know, um, for some reason that word.
I think that's more important for me than just the word art.
And that got me thinking to just how important.
Our words are.
Oh yeah.
And really like the intention behind the word. So,

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because I think there's more intention for me behind the word
creation than there is, uh, for, than behind the word art.
Yeah. For me,
for me, I think the word art is more powerful and particularly
for me.
I think that's a good idea.
I think that's a good idea.
Because it's something I've always told myself I wasn't good at

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or didn't have time for, or, or, right.
Like.
Using that word to me.
Means that I'm really going to have to break some barriers inside
myself. Right. And so like, I feel the,
the power in that word art for me.
Yeah.
And I think that's a good idea.

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I think that's a good idea.
I think that's a good idea.
I think that's a good idea.
It's a good idea.
I think that's a good idea.
Yeah.
And it's so cool too, because it shows.
Exactly. I mean, how aligned we are, but also.
The differences in us. You know, so like, when you were saying the
word art, it sort of motivate you to break through those barriers.
When I go to creation, when you were saying that, I was like.

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For me, creation moves me beyond those barriers.
And I was like, boom, I just teleport to the other side.
You know, I'm like, I'm going to go now.
You know, so.
That's just so cool, man.
Yeah. I actually changed my profile on Instagram.
And now it says digital artists, content creator,
coach, media, right. Like I.

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I love that.
New titles into my.
What do they call that? It's called, I think the word is your reiki.
I don't know if I'm saying it right, but that's the sort of.
Paragraph that comes after your name, like.
Daenerys mother of dragons, queen of the seven seas, right?
What's your little, you know, titles that come after your name.

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Yeah. Yeah. Oh, dude, we should like make those up.
I know it's fun.
Using those again. Yeah.
Keith eater of Cheetos.
Right.
Yeah. There's a woman I'll put her link in the show notes who works
with people on building their unique your rikis or what I'm not

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sure if I'm saying the word, right, but she's a coach and she wrote
a book called the professional troublemaker, which I love.
Nice. I'll put her information down below.
That's very cool. It sounds like a good book.
Yeah. Yeah, it is.
I also experienced some hardship this week that I wanted to bring up
and talk about because it was a big deal for me.

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I had to let a client go because they were experiencing things that
was beyond what I'm professionally trained for.
And it brought up so much stuff for me because it was a beautiful
woman who was in an emotionally abusive relationship or from what

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I heard, that was my result.
Right.
And something that I didn't, I wasn't able to heal or fix, but going
through the process for me was really interesting because, you
know, I myself have been in those situations, right?
I was raised by somebody who did a lot of like gaslight and

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emotionally abuse.
And then my husband was that. And then I got out of it.
And then to get to know this person and then be, and then have to
leave them and abandon them.
And it just brought up so much stuff for me.
And, you know, it really made me think about how healing or how

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everything is like just a circle, right?
We're just going around and, you know, so many things that I hadn't
felt or experienced in so long were like,
I'm like, what do you do?
And it just brought up and activated for me to look at and heal
deeper.

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And just, man, it really is a never ending process of integration
and growth and how beautiful that experience can be.
Yeah. I mean, we are never.
Static.
You know, we are constantly moving.
We are constantly moving.
And we are constantly moving.
But it's just so, so, so much that, you know,

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our bodies want homeostasis.
It wants that balance, but the balance is, is fake because we can't
stop moving.
And it just shows how we keep going.
I love.
There's a lot of indigenous groups that see time as a circle
instead of like we kind of see it as this linear thing.
And they see time as a circle.

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And they can't stop moving.
They can't stop moving.
And they can't stop moving.
The same thing with the past, you know.
And that's the same thing with our,
with our emotional and spiritual journeys.
Yeah.
Yeah.

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right? You're like, it's the moment of expansion and anything is the same moment as full contraction.
Right? Like it's because it's going big and small and big and small and the waves, right? So you're
expanding and shrinking and expanding and shrinking. And I think some people do it on really big

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levels and some people do it on tiny levels. But just thinking about how at that moment of expansion
when you're at your largest bliss capacity, whatever, you're just about to go all downhill.
And it's kind of that strange like flow of life, whether it's learning and growing, like I'm talking

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about and embracing old fears and things that came, or if it's expanding into the future as a
creator and an artist, just really thinking about like, what is the nature of this flow and this
wave and this expansion and contraction? And how do I get in alignment with it

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so that I can feel and do all the things, experience as much of it as I can?
I, it's one of the things I'm really starting to see is that we, we've almost convinced ourselves
that we're not something that we are, you know, like sort of like, so the whole thing with like,

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men can't feel emotions, but that's impossible. You know, you're gonna feel it. You're gonna
react to them. You can mask it and hold it down, but that is a reaction to an emotion. So, so that
whole concept is not real. You know, and then even, even like how we talk about like, I want to get into

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a line with this, you know, we always are. Yeah, just really more of so of us either fighting
against the current or going with it, you know, like as we're going down that, that slope into the
valley of like our vibrational energy, I think a lot of times we try to swim against the current

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because we tell ourselves this is bad. Yeah. You know, like even, even when you were describing
stepping away from this client, like you use the word, I abandoned her. Yeah, that's what it felt like.
Yeah, but it really wasn't because you saw what you were capable of and you saw what she needed.

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So you actually helped her, you were a step in her healing journey, what will hopefully be her healing journey.
Yeah. You know, and I think, and I love the idea of the expansion and contraction being the same thing.
And I think again, that's one of those things that we have to go through. There's, there's this object
that I've, we've talked, in fact, I talked about them when we did the mushrooms, because this just blows my mind,

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but a white hole. And, and there's a theory that our universe, the Big Bang came from a white hole.
It's a point of singularity where nothing can enter, but everything comes out. And it's, it's the contradiction to a black hole,
which nothing can escape and everything goes in. So we, in order for there to be life, we have to

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contract to that singularity and then move through and then we can expand again.
Yeah. And that's my exact experience of life, right? It's sort of like birthing and it's, you squeeze and it's uncomfortable.
And then you get to be the butterfly stage and then you go back into the squeeze stage, right? And there's, I don't think there's any escaping that.

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I don't think you really wouldn't want to if you understood it, right? I think that's the same.
Right.
I'm, I feel like I'm so close to like it finally clicking in my brain where I'm like,
Oh, I embrace this because I understand that without it, I wouldn't be

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evolving or becoming or I wouldn't be able to feel whatever the answer is, right? Like really getting the necessity of that expansion and contraction
and therefore embracing all parts of it.
Yes. Yes. And even just the whole idea of that wave and even our emotional spectrum,

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you know, a lot of times when we're going through the hard times, our, our
instinct is, is to, you know, try to find the silver lining. Like I was just thinking, you know, a major surgery, like when I had my hip replaced,
I couldn't do so much of what I used to do because of the pain.
Then when the hippo was replaced, the recovery freaking sucked. I hated life. I, I don't like being in hospitals. Like they freaked me out.

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I don't know why, but, um, and just being in the hospital for a few days, it was, it was horrible.
You know, and then the whole thing, but I'm not going to in those times sit there and say, Oh, this is so amazing because I'm about to grow.
And healing, but no, I embrace the sock. You know, that was what someone used to say in the military, like all the time, just embrace the sock. It's a part of it.

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Yeah. Yeah. Totally. Yeah. I think that, uh,
I really like that with working out or like lifting weights because you kind of have that same feeling where you're like, I can't do another rep.
And then you're like, yes, I can write or I can't run for another 10 minutes at this speed or whatever it is.
And there's always more in you than you know, and sometimes just embracing that it's shitty and you're going through it is what gets you to 15 reps instead of 12 reps.

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Right. Like there's something about that leaning into it and knowing that it's going to hurt, but also knowing that the hurt is good kind of hurt.
I think that's valuable.
Being able to decipher in your life, what is the kind of hurt that's like harming me and making me shrivel up and be afraid?

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And what is the kind of hurt that's expanding me and being able to recognize a difference so that I know where to put my boundaries?
Yeah, that just reminded me. I got a brag about one of the guys I'm working with.
He's so cool. He's a Marine veteran.
And, um,
we worked on a bunch of stuff and then he was good, you know, so we stopped talking as much, you know, check ins and stuff.

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Then he got into a relationship and then called me and asked if we can, you know, talk again.
And it was one of those instances. The relationship wasn't good.
There was a lot of baggage that came in and it was putting a divide between them.
And I think that's what I'm talking about.
The pain that came in between them and he got to the point where he recognized that like, all right, this pain is now bringing me backwards.

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I'm going back into old patterns.
So they broke the relationship off and again now here's more, but there's hurt.
But this is the hurt that I need in my life right now.
You know, I need to go through this and the moves that he made without any questions, without any, like, needing advice.
He wouldn't have been able to do it like a year ago, you know, and I was just like, oh my God, this is so amazing watching the proof of the growth that he has had.

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Yeah.
Recognizing like, like this is the pain I need in my life right now because look at, look at already the change of where I'm going compared to where I was with this other type of pain.
Yes. Yeah.
Beautifully said. And I think that's one of the strong things about life.
Coaching right teaching people how to be self aware how to be the watcher how to understand what's going on for them so that they can make better choices.

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Yeah.
Yeah, just yeah recognizing those habits that we have, you know, and it's what drew me to it and what made me fall in love with coaching is looking being able to look at my head and my head.
And my brain, like as its own culture, you know, taking that the anthropology part of school and like putting it into that and seeing why I do what I do.

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It all comes down to how I interpret the experiences so again we go back to that language that we use to describe our experiences.
Yep.
Yeah, I think it's really interesting how unconscious we can be about ourselves.
Yeah.
You know, and you don't even know that you don't know yourself or you don't know you've been fooling yourself. Right.

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And it happens to all of us.
And as you know we've been going through this journey of trying to be more and more authentic present our art to the world, find out what my gifts are that I really have to offer.
I've been asking myself that question like who am I really in what ways am I unconscious to my own self.

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And when this thing came up with this client this last week, I realized, you know what, I am a really highly sensitive person.
And there's a couple different kinds of empathy, and like, it's very common for autistic people to not have the kind of empathy that's like the mental kind like I see you crying I know you're sad.

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But they have more of like the somatic empathy where they like feel another person's emotions, and then they're not even sure if it's their emotions or the other person's right like it's really an energetic thing.
And I realized, I am very much that way.
And my whole life I have pretended to be tougher than that and pretended that that's not true about me. And this client brought it up because as I was grieving this decision and the language in my head kept saying something like tough enough why is this bothering you so much like,

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I was beating myself out of my sensitivity, right. And I thought, oh wait a second like time out this is a time for me to recognize what's happening inside of me and that there is this part of me that I have been not fully conscious about, you know, and so
it had me ask two questions one, how can I share this gift with the world, right being really sensitive. And two, how do I design my life honoring that truth about myself.

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Yeah, there's so much like, and that that's like the miracle of meaning. You know what I mean, like, because we asked that question, why am I feeling this way, you know, toughen up suck it up stop being a bitch we and we go into those habitual language patterns that we use that that tear us down as if you can tell

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yourself toughen up and then you won't feel it anymore. Right, right, you know, like how many times like how many times you actually do that and then how many times you feel better by telling yourself just toughen up.
Right, never. Right, but when you find the meaning for something.
And when you find the meaning could be anything like we get to make that up but when we see the meaning for it. Then that's when things start to like relax so it's not about again like denying what we're feeling we can't do that you're going to feel it

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anyways.
Right, you know, instead you're just putting fuel on that fire of feeling that way I mean I do that to myself, all the freaking time.
And I think it comes from a lot of cultural programming and our child is right, I can remember so many times, my mom being so frustrated with me and just saying like why are you making such a big deal out of this like you're making a mountain out of a molehill stop

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and making a big right those messages that whatever I was the way that I was responding to a situation was too much. Right, I was feeling it too much I was experiencing it too much and I needed to shut it down to make it easier on everybody else around me.
Yeah.
Yeah, that is a hard.

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Hard thread to on weave right I'm trying to like back it out of my psyche and on weave that thread of this picture of like no, even if it makes people uncomfortable around me I can experience whatever I'm experiencing.
Yeah. Yeah, but because it becomes like it's so ingrained in us it becomes part of our like unconscious programming we don't even know and like you said, like understanding why we're doing what we're doing knowing ourselves.

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Yeah, that's why it's I mean it's so important to do it.
And it's fun.
Oh my god yeah yeah. You would never go to a gymnast or somebody that's like, you know one of those crazy martial artists it's doing like the flips like the cap aware stuff like that and, and the people that have such knowledge of how they move what they can do.

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You never put them down for training like that but when it comes to the mind.
I want to know who I like stupid.
You know what I mean like, why, yeah, strengthening your mind so that you can use it in the same way but a mentally emotionally, you know, yeah it's just a weird thing.

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Yeah, I'm beginning to think more and more.
And this is like a weird out there conspiracy, like I will own it.
That our country or culture is set up to shame us and to keep us from doing that right from becoming awake from knowing ourselves, like intentionally, because you look at other, you know cultures or you know tribes and other places and you notice, they all have a deep connection to

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yourself, a deep connection to like your birth song, right your birth note right that coming home to yourself, spending time in silence going on walkabouts right like, but in our culture, we've taken every little piece that connects us to ourselves
away.
And we've said here replace it with religion that we control and politics we control right and it's just.

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I'm feeling more and more the need of freedom from our current culture.
And I don't know what that looks like and honestly it scares me to even say that that that's coming up for me.
I mean, that's that goes deep man, because I completely get that, you know and I, I, I 100% agree I mean, like you said like all these other cultures have all these right of passages where you learn how, how to be a part of man a woman in in your

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life, you know, connects you more with it, you know connects you more with your, with yourself, you know you learn about your ancestors your history where you come from all that stuff.
You know at age what five we go into kindergarten six or something and all at that point we're always told what to do. This is what you have to do.

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And that lasts all the way up to where, you know, whatever 2324 graduate college, and then you go into the workforce and that's why you have to go through all that education so you go in the workforce where you always have a manager somebody telling you what to do.
And we just become a cog in a machine and I really feel, I don't know much about this but I know the Rockefellers like he had a he had a quote that said, um, we need a nation of workers not a nation of workers.

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Not a nation of thinkers.
And he started investing heavily in the educational system.
And I mean, even with the same thing with the pharmaceutical stuff you know, most of the, or I guess a lot of the textbooks or all the textbooks that they use the Rockefellers got into and what and put in took out the natural medicines and put in the synthesized medicines that have incredibly horrible side effects.

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Yeah, it's crazy when you think about what can you really trust, right, if you live in a society that was not really built for your best interests.
Yeah, it was it was built to shore up we were the foundation for those above us.
You know, we keep the power in their hands we keep the economy running and all the money filters to them and.

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Yeah, yeah you know what I was thinking about the other day.
I tried to tell my husband he didn't think it was as cool see if you think it's cool.
I was thinking about all of history, and this moment that we got to be alive. When we are the last generation before the internet and seeing the dawn of the next error of humanity, because things are crazy changing right very fast, exponentially.

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We still had summers where we ran around all side, all, you know, all day and our parents locked us out of the house and we went ravines, jumped on train cars and we had this wildness, and then we also see the world changing like,
I think I'd pick this time again if I was picking out of a timeline. Yeah, it's kind of scary but man is it interesting, like what a time to be alive.

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So my video. Sorry my dog, my dad is dropping off a car for me.
So my dog is going nuts because she sees them.
But yeah I just saw a video where remember those commercials where they had like stars and it was always in the news like hey it's 10 o'clock where you do you know where your kids are.

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And that was just completely coming from I mean, go out, you know I have a cell phone, you have no communication. And there's like a rule of like when the street lights turn on or my dad always had this whistle, and we knew it was him we like miles away and that's when we come home.
I saw some kind of meme posted about you know kids of the 80s and 90s, and then it was asking people to share their experiences of summertime, and it was the coolest thread to read because yeah we did crazy stuff, and people you know you got hurt but you just sucked it up and put some dirt on it it was fine.

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Yeah, oh, say, Sandy's grandmother would do a turpentine. Yeah, like if it was like a I mean a deep car or something you would like dip it in turpentine for some reason.
It's funny.
Weird man yeah.
Yeah, I can remember my sister and I had this big hill next to our house. And we thought that if we ran fast enough and jumped we would fly a little bit.

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And I catch, you know, like, oh we're like flying powers. And like that's what we would spend our time doing running up and down this hill trying to fly.
Yeah, like that's so grateful for that childhood.
And I'm grateful now, like all the stuff you and I are learning about the internet and how people connect and how humanity and business is changing and like fully leaning into this virtual world that exists now.

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And how cool to have both of those things.
And we're the only generation that can say that.
It's a good point I never thought of it like that. That's a really good point.
And it makes really seem like a fun time to be alive.
Yeah, I mean me and you never would have met.
Yeah, that's pretty interesting.

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I wonder if like historically there's going to be like a name for for our generation like with that, you know, I think so because I think, you know, if we're alive hundreds of years from now, we don't kill ourselves as a species.
This point in time will be a huge shift. Right. It'll be like the Industrial Revolution or something right it's going to be a huge shift in the way humanity operates.

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And I saw a great quote by Buck Meister Fuller, the other day that said, Oh, it's a neck and neck race, we will either evolve or will become extinct.
Like, and that actually made me feel kind of like at peace, that it's not going to go on just bad forever because we're at a crux right now where we either need to figure it out and get along, or we will all die.

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Yeah, great completely.
You know, and that's unique to history.
And so that's a cool thing to be alive for and see what's going to happen.
Yeah.
Um,
can we call it quick time out real fast.

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We'll edit this one out. I'll be right back.
Pause.
So your dad dropped off a car for you.
Yeah, yeah, so I got to use it tonight to go to pool. Because then, because say Sandy goes to but then she leaves really early.

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Since she's like up at like four in the morning, like a crazy person.
So yeah, and then he would just give me an update on my mom and stuff who's at a rehab facility now, like, learning how to walk again and stuff.
Yeah, again, just what we were saying right like, how old your mom in her 70s.
Yeah.
So, you know, it's never ending right the challenges the growth the learning the all of it.

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Yeah.
Yeah, and it gets very, very hard sometimes but it's a part of the process.
Yeah, I feel like the self investigation in midlife is so necessary to not be afraid in the final chapters.
Right, you know, when we're young, it's like, oh, we're going to do this and we're pushing out we're the bursting, you know, star.

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And then midlife I think a lot of people are like, wait, who the fuck am I, what's happening, what the fuck is this human experience.
And we start to go inward.
And then as our body diminishes, hopefully, this inner thing gets stronger and stronger and when it's time to let go of our bodies.
We're ready.

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And that's what I hope that this journey is like.
And it does, it does make sense because I used to be very afraid of dying.
You know, even, even like in my darkest moments where I didn't want to be alive. You know, I wasn't suicidal but I just didn't want to be alive.

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I was still scared to death of dying. And now, after doing a lot of this self reflection and actually learning about what I truly believe.
Like, I don't, I don't believe in dying. You know, because it's who I am that the consciousness part of me will continue.

(34:22):
And that's the ultimate, you know, contraction right back to nothing and then it's your first day of being something else.
Your last day of being Keith and this body. I really believe is your first day of the beginning of another expansion.
We don't know what, right. But you know, our moments are like this our days our years, but in our life just be one big and then another expansion into something new.

(34:54):
Dude, wow.
Yeah.
And what's that, what's that saying like as above so below you know what I mean but and like, yeah, our days are like that are our years are like I mean everything is like that so why wouldn't the totality of our lives be the same way.
Right. And some huge cosmic scale that we can even understand.

(35:18):
Right.
Yeah.
Maybe you'll be a star next time maybe you'll be your energy is going to be part of something else right but we know that it's not disappearing because we know energy doesn't disappear.
And everything has a life cycle to it, you know, oh I mean you got the water cycle you got I mean a cycle of the rocks.

(35:40):
You know, I mean, we think of time we sort of corral time into this meaning of what we can experience in our lifetime. You know, but but time is this infinite thing, you know, so I mean to rocks it might take millions of years for like El Capitan to like be regenerated going

(36:03):
through back into the earth and everything but even even there's a carbon cycle.
You know, when I die we release the carbon that that makes us up into the back of the atmosphere so we can have the carbon of dinosaurs or gang is Khan you know somebody from history like in us right now being a part of us.

(36:26):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Oh cool.
Yeah, I love it.
It's such an expansive view.
Yeah, then just thinking about the energy.
So imagine like I mean somebody in history I mean, even taking like great great like religious leaders, you know, like a Buddha Jesus, Muhammad, like we can have the energy of them, still in us.

(36:57):
That's crazy.
Yeah.
And maybe it's you know like we talk about it's the intention and awareness that either lets things be seen and known or remain hidden. Right so if your intention and awareness is on negativity.

(37:20):
That's more right.
But if it's more on your Mohammed consciousness or your Jesus consciousness.
And that is right there.
And even like Sadguru talks about like that brings us back to the Garden of Eden where where when they ate of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil for the first time in history.

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They have the choice to say this is bad or this is good.
You know so since our mind has a negativity bias built in it's easy to go that way.
But negativity is associated with the fight or flight response.
You know so it's a survival mechanism.
And what that survival is about the cell.

(38:06):
You know, like so it draws our focus, like inward towards us where everything else outside of us is a threat.
Yes.
You know but but the positive is an expansive and like when you were talking about the expansion the contraction and another one.
So negativity is good because it kept us alive for so many years as we were hunter-gatherers.

(38:29):
You know but the one thing that was stronger or at least equal to in our survival was the community.
This is the expansive part.
It's the connection we can't see everybody else in the world as a threat.
So what we could do if we just had respect for each other, imagine the technological advancements that can be made.

(38:55):
Yes.
And when humans connect, they are so much more powerful.
Right.
And that's why I love you know because you and I both come from a Christian tradition, the verse that says you know when two or more gathered in my name there I am.
I love that verse since childhood and while I wouldn't put it towards the Christian God anymore, I would say that is my experience in life when people are gathered with an open heart, two or more, there is a power that exists there.

(39:29):
Right. And imagine if you could do that collectively of 100 people, a thousand people, a million people.
The possibilities are endless. That's why when people say like oh like I have no hope for this world or this future.
I'm like it's actually not that hard it's just a different direction than we're looking right now.

(39:51):
Yeah.
You just kind of look for and sees things in a way we've never seen them right.
Right. Right. It's just the opposite side of the same coin. I mean you have the world that we have. We have the societies that we have.
You know so we can focus completely on the one side of the issues that come with it or we can focus on the other side like you know I am going to be open.

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You know I am not going to look at everybody in my life that comes at me even if they're like yelling at me or whatever as a threat to me because they're not.
Yeah.
You know I'm going to save that for the people that actually are threat like if somebody comes up and punches me in the face. Okay you're a threat.
Yeah. You know it's funny about this is last night was the presidential debate and my husband said babe I don't think I can watch this because we used to be people who were very aware and involved with news and politics and doing our best to make a difference and both of us have sort of retreated from that because of our own mental wellness.

(40:55):
Yeah.
I said I'm not going to hear anything in that debate that's going to change my mind. Right. So it's only going to stir up negative emotions.
I think that I would be better service to the world.
I would be better in comedy and laughing my ass off, meditating feeling peace feeling love like whatever vibration of like positive vibrations I can wait all the negativity that I know is out there happening tonight.

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That's more powerful than me watching this show on television right and letting it pull me down.
I think that's what I'm talking about like the switch in my mind of how I'm making a difference in the world. And I sound like a crazy person to myself.

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But it's becoming more and more real to me.
Yeah.
Yeah, I watched about five minutes of it. And then I started feeling horrible.
I was feeling angry. Just being like, what the fuck, you know, like this is where we're at and then like, why am I doing that? You know, especially because I felt bad because it was it was like my smoking time too.

(42:17):
I don't want to waste that feeling.
You know, because it is an expansive feeling for me. That's why like I've made it a part of this for me to smoke before we come on and I think you're kind of doing the same thing.
I just had.
I was in Connecticut when I got my medical marijuana card, the lady that brought me through the program told me this little trick that she has where she saves the last little bit of every every strain that she gets she saves the last little bit and puts it in one canister.

(42:59):
So I had this little pill bottle for like five years now. And when I have less than a bowl left, I just dump it in there so it's full with like 30 different strains.
And it will send you flying.
And so that one time I, my uncle's friend was over and and I gave some to him we're having like a family party. And like an hour later he was like dude, your nephew's we just fucked me up.

(43:29):
Yeah, I call it either Keith's Kush or burning rainbow because I had a little bit of everything you know, like that. Yeah, and it's, it just it makes me feel so open and accepting and full of like loving gratitude because that's where my focus goes.
So I train my folks to go when I use it.
You know, so I don't want to watch something that is going to make me feel that way.

(43:54):
Yeah.
I'll comment on that but first I stick with something usually called lucid blue, like for my everyday type of stuff because it's like, high focus high creativity.
You know, like it's it's sativa so it's lots of energy, you know focus creativity.
And then I have like a little thing it's MCT oil is that what you call it that's an indica for like nighttime.

(44:21):
And then I like to use that I take it before bed and then I listen to a guided meditation. And then it's kind of like, what do you call the dreams you can control the lucid dreams kind of like lucid dreaming because I have all these chemicals, you know, letting me go and then this like guided, you know, it's very fun.

(44:44):
So those are the two that I usually use in two different directions.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I love that man.
That's pretty cool.
You know, and a lot of a lot of people are finding medicine. You know, I was working with a client yesterday, and he's just professional successful.
And those warriors on the front line working for rep, rep creations for black people in our country. I mean, such a beautiful, strong warrior. And he was talking about weed and how he uses it, and how it's a part of his recipe to be able to show up and it was just beautiful.

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And his people aren't using it to cover up and mask as much as they are using it as a scalpel to go in and find what they're looking for.
And it is such a beautiful tool. In fact, one of one of the things I can't say one of the first things I think it was, it was domesticated about 35,000 years ago.

(45:50):
I mean, he was one of the first plants ever domesticated, but about 5000 years ago. And I'm not going to remember the name but there was a Chinese emperor that like dabbled in like surgeries and stuff and and what do they call it like a pharma kipia or something like that like where you write your, like the plants and

(46:11):
stuff that you use for medicine. And he would use cannabis to do like small surgeries, like being appendix or something like that.
And, and he even like recommended it for colicky babies.
He had like this whole list of stuff that you would use cannabis for. So just thinking about it being like a scalpel to go inward and kind of do that that self work, you know and one of its first uses.

(46:46):
Again, not maybe not first but one of its uses was for surgeries you know, it's kind of cool.
Yeah, I read about this tribe that does babies in their eye with a tiny bit of ayahuasca.
Because to them in their culture, knowing your inner spiritual world and your spiritual guide and your ancestors and all that is of equal importance as knowing how to like go gather food in the field.

(47:15):
And at the time you're a baby you're trained. This is how you go on your spiritual journey. This is how you go on your physical journey, and both are cultivated.
And I've never heard anything so beautiful in my life.
I was about to say that is just freaking beautiful, because that is a part of us that we have.
We have completely turned our back on that spiritual side. And it's another part again like I'm not a spiritual person will bullshit you are.

(47:41):
Right, you can't not.
You can't be that part of yourself. Yeah, many of us don't feel connected with self.
And I think that goes hand in hand.
Yeah.
Yeah, and so that's, you know, if that's something that you choose to do, you have to take a stand to sort of rebel against current culture, if you're going to prioritize your spiritual journey equal to your physical journey.

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That's what you and I are trying to do right build lives and businesses that support us in an equal spiritual and physical.
Yeah, and I truly believe that is the next evolutionary step that we're going to face.
Or I don't know, maybe it's not maybe it's not an evolutionary step but a healing step a collective healing step that the just the human population needs to take to to learn how to re accept the spiritual side of self.

(48:45):
Yeah.
How do you think that could happen. I mean I see it happening a lot with younger people and there's, you know, oldies like you and me clinging to the edge of this movement and, but there's also a lot of people who are.
I'll bring it back to the reptilian brain.
So when you're in your reptile brain, you cannot think logic is not accessible to you. You, you know, fight, flight, fawn freeze. That's it.

(49:15):
So many people are living there permanently.
Yes, these people on the internet, getting crazy angry over a meme.
And you're like, Oh my gosh that reptile brain is really active.
How do we get enough safety in the world so that people come into their cortex and they don't have to stay in that survival part of their brain because that's what's necessary. If we're talking about like a big evolution for humanity.

(49:49):
I think like my mind automatically goes to my whole thing about like never feeling that that strong desire to help somebody.
Because I believe like, I can advise guide whatever you want to call it but but the work can only be done by the person.

(50:11):
So there's really nothing I could do to help like in that way. I think it's like the quote from Jane Goodall. If you want to change someone's mind, you have to touch their heart.
And so many times.
Since I've been doing this, people have looked at me like I'm a pushover.

(50:33):
I'm just like woo woo, whatever, you know, they downplay what I'm doing. But what I've noticed over time is that those same people are starting to do things that are kind of the same thing.
They're opening up more.
You know, and I think that there's going to be people that never do it, you know, because of a belief system that they have that is too scary for them to let go of, which drives that anger because now your disbelief and something I believe is now a threat to me because if you don't believe it,

(51:12):
maybe there's maybe there's cracks and what I'm what I believe in here, maybe there's something's not right and I can't accept that. It's too painful.
And I really believe the best way to do it is to live the example.
You know, and I go back to, you know, our past grown up in Christianity, I feel closer to God now than I ever did when I was in church.

(51:40):
The verses that talk about they have ears to hear don't hear they have eyes to see and don't see like and then when it like it talks about like the scales falling off their eyes and all that like I feel that I connect with that now.
And I mean, because it all comes down to this for me like, I believe it was Paul that said, all the law. So all the commandments that people run to in the Bible, to hate on others.

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He said, all the law is summed up in one thing, love thy neighbor as I self.
And then in James it talks about by their fruits, he shall know them and in Galatians it gives you the fruit of the spirit, and it's love, joy, peace, long suffer, you know, so it's living those things.

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And I think the more we live them for ourselves.
The more that vibration spreads outward. And regardless of what we say, it will impact other people other people will be affected by that energy.
Yeah.

(52:57):
And I think that's what you made me think that would be a really interesting. I don't even know what to call it like horse exploration exploratory patron group, right where it's based on the fruit of the spirit, but not from a Christian perspective.

(53:18):
Right. Love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, gentleness and so control like those are all beautiful attributes and thinking about how to live into those and how to model those to other people would be a beautiful exploration.
And that's what going inward and an understanding how my mind works helped me, because now I don't know what was a couple I mean, maybe six months ago now me and Sandy were driving and a guy ran a red light cut us off.

(53:53):
And we almost T boned them and then you know luckily there was no accident and then he slammed on his brakes and he looked at me and gave me the finger.
And I fall. I can see now like okay he's he's reactive. He's pissed he's angry he's in a rush to the point where he doesn't care about his own physical safety or anybody else's.

(54:14):
So he's reactive he is in that reptilian brain and I, you know what I mean it helps me. Again, it just it's me putting a meeting on it.
Oh, he's an asshole. Maybe it's true. But there's a reason why he is. And I'm seeing the reason or recognizing that there is a reason and then that keeps me away from that reactive reptilian brain and and and living more through my own responsibility.

(54:42):
Yes.
And it keeps me in that in that centered place of love first.
Yes.
I'm laughing because I had a situation with someone where I had to build a firm boundary this week.
I built it I communicated it. They accepted it but then like two or three days later I got a long email that was definitely not accepting it.

(55:08):
And I crap I spent like three hours crafting the best most solid five paragraphs back. And you know what, I was going to change their worldview forever with my five paragraphs.
And then I caught myself and I realized what I was doing right spending all this effort in time, trying to change the mind of someone who's in their reptile brain and they can't even access their cortex to think about what I'm saying.

(55:38):
I deleted it all and said doesn't sound like it's going to work out between us right now.
One sentence.
Right. I don't need to engage like that.
And because it would have, it would have been to reptile brains going back and forth my reptile their reptile my reptile, and that's not going to get us anywhere.

(56:03):
Right. Right. But so many times it's what we do, you know, like we're like, like you said I'm going to change their world.
And it never happens. You know, instead what we just do is get their argument back because especially like I remember when me and St.
He's to argue like constantly when she was saying her piece I wasn't listening to her I was crafting my response.

(56:27):
And many times like she'll be going through and I'd be like, Oh, no, she's wrong with that I'm going to get that but then here she says something else and I completely forget about this and I'm talking about this.
So our fight would start on over here and we end up over here not knowing what we started fighting about.
You know, just keeps switching by like a degree.

(56:48):
And instead you just didn't give that person a choice to accept your boundary or not. It wasn't it wasn't their boundary to accept you just enacted it.
Right. And when they didn't respect it. The result was saying like, Okay, goodbye then. Right. I didn't want that to be the result I wanted to change them.

(57:12):
And I think about how much time I've spent in my life, thinking that I could prove somebody wrong.
It's funny with sometimes my husband and I will start to go down that road like bigger, bigger, bigger. And then he'll say as a joke, he'll say like, That's it. I'm not going to stop fighting with you tell you admit you're stupid.

(57:36):
That's what we're doing to each other right and we just call it out.
And we just kind of laugh and go, Okay, like, let's walk away and diffuse the situation for right now because right. That's what we're in it for at that point right when you get locked in. So you're like, All right.
Yeah, I heard this thing once I did a video on it and yeah a lot of people didn't agree with it but it was a question of is it more important to be right or to show love.

(58:06):
And it was it was the context was a husband and wife. And this was part of my my coaching course they showed this video and they were on the verge of splitting up.
And when they did an interview with them two years after this whole intervention took place.
They were they had a better relationship than they ever had. You know, and it was all about the husband not

(58:32):
knowing what the wife said it was about him not reacting to be right to allow her to feel what she feels to allow her to say what she says because when you have when you have a relationship you you communicate verbally but you also communicate non verbally even more so.
And when changes take place that non verbal communication, even when they understand the changes, you know, me and Sandy got into an argument and I, I, there was the first time I was ever dialed in.

(59:02):
And I was being respectful I was being loving I wasn't I wasn't getting angry, nothing. And she's like, What are you doing to me, you're trying to make me feel like I'm insane she I mean she was like losing it.
She just walked away. I like went for a walk around the neighborhood and stuff and she's like, I don't know what that was like, I started freaking out thinking you were playing mind games with me.

(59:27):
You know, so it when you when you set a bound especially with somebody that you've been dealing with their natural instinct is going to be to test that.
And because they're used to this style of communication, you know, yeah, not to get it's not to get mad about just firm to that decision that boundary.

(59:49):
Right, because it's for you, right to be the best version of myself, this is what I need or don't need. And if you can't do that that's fine right no judgment, but I can't change that because I'm committed to me.
That's that's the thing I think trying to be the best version of ourselves is how we can best help all of humanity.

(01:00:17):
Yeah, you know, because a lot of times I think we can mistake that with almost like you know everything's for me remember like when coven first started and for some reason everybody thought their butts were going to blow up, you know, so there was like no toilet paper
you know like that was just hoarding that was for self.
You know, but I want to live, because it's going to make me feel amazing.

(01:00:40):
But again, it like it's that high vibration life that will expand outward.
Yeah, I've been thinking of it more and more like we kind of talked about this last week.
Spirit or source or whatever it is, wants to be expressed through me in my work in my art in my hobbies and my marriage.

(01:01:06):
And the only way it can do that is if I'm really healthy and debt and boundaryed up and dedicated to being me.
So it's not selfish because I'm not doing it for me really. I'm doing it so that there's more God in the world.
And like thinking about that has made it easier for me particularly as I'm wrestling social media and how I want to show up and wrestling, accepting people loving me or liking me, right.

(01:01:41):
And then flipping the narrative a little bit and going like, oh, that's not necessarily me they're liking its source or God, its presence that they're feeling and seeing.
And that made that piece of it a little bit easier too so I've sort of been thinking about that like asking myself, how can I become as clear or transparent as possible.

(01:02:07):
So that this thing whatever it is can shine through me more.
Yeah, I struggle with that, just because of what I've learned about pride growing up.
And I was thinking about this last night like I don't think I fully understand what is pride and what is the bad pride versus what is the good pride, you know,

(01:02:33):
because I want to be good because it makes me feel amazing.
So that's about self but it's also helpful externally.
It can diffuse a situation like if somebody cuts me off and gives me the finger instead of me ran in my car into him.
You know, I laugh and it's gone, you know, and then I'm not at the next the next person that I get frustrated with or something.

(01:03:02):
I'm not going off on them and becoming that very person, you know, that did it to me.
So, so is that bad or good that that makes me feel amazing because because that that the old part of my brain is like well that's bad that's pride it's for self.
So you're you're evil.
Right, so you're probably purposely keeping yourself from feeling good about yourself because.

(01:03:28):
Yeah, can't.
Right.
And I never knew I mean, it goes deep like I can't feel good about myself, you know, I placed in the top five and a national writing competition.
If you ask me like what do I think I can write now I suck.
You know, like, so even even with proof of talent that or work or whatever.

(01:03:58):
I suck. I have to think that because if I think I'm good at anything, even something that I practice constantly.
If I get good I can't say I'm good, because then that's pride and it's evil.
What would you like to believe about pride.

(01:04:20):
That that the.
There's a paradox that that comes with selfishness.
There's there's the good self and there's the bad self you know the the need to hoard that that's bad the need to think that I'm the greatest.
That's that's that's bad what I would like to think about pride is that it's it's a very healthy confidence building. I mean both physically and mentally healthy thing to do to recognize.

(01:04:54):
The good stuff that we do.
Just as easily as we recognize all the bad stuff that we do.
So that I can say, you know, I wrote something it was it was pretty damn good.
I like that. Not I'm the greatest in the world, you know, or.
But just that was good.

(01:05:15):
Yeah.
Yeah, I'm wondering if maybe it kind of has to do with what we were talking about the two different parts of your brain is when pride exists more in the reptile brain it's comparative and really what it is is fear.
Right.
I have to be better than you I have to build a big wall of, you know, I'm the best, which is very.

(01:05:42):
It shuts people out.
Yeah, it's more pride of like the thinking brain, which is like, I'm good and bad. I'm just good. I just know I feel wonderful.
Right. More up here, or maybe it's the heart and the brain like however you think about things but it does seem like there's two different experiences of pride and we're calling it the same word which is really confusing.

(01:06:05):
Going back to your word thing right like we need to.
To that that is like genius to me like the intention behind the word you know so it's it's like when pride comes from fear.
That's why you're going to hoard toilet paper or or whatever it is you know.

(01:06:26):
Or tell gay people they can't be married or they can't do it right because you're trying to control all of this it's.
Yeah, I'm better than you I know how you should live right.
Yeah, but when it comes from that that humble place like I am I am good and bad but you know that that came out pretty cool. I'm proud of that.

(01:06:49):
Like that. Wow, that's pretty cool man I've never thought of it like that like that that pride that stems from a fear of somebody tells me like I'm not as good as I think I have to go off on them and call and rip them down and stuff you know because it's.
It's puts a crack in that belief system. If I'm not perfect if I'm not the greatest and I'm nothing.

(01:07:15):
Yeah.
I think that might be a fun practice, you know I know the last couple weeks we've been thinking about life is art and I think that's been a good practice but it might be fun for the next week to think about pride a little bit and like how can I feel you know come back to
the next week and tell our listeners and they can do it too like what am I proud of that I did this week like when did I allow myself to experience pride in the good sense.

(01:07:51):
Yeah, yeah what that what that feeling is.
That's what I mean, because to me and to me it feels like self acknowledgement.
Yeah, it has a soft sense to me like a soft feel to me.
You know, like, like, like last night I had the air condition rockin and just the quilt and everything I was so freaking comfortable man like that feeling.

(01:08:17):
Yes.
You know, whereas the other version of like I am so good. And for me I can only relate it back to that was how I felt as a Christian.
And I have the truth. I am better.
Even though I would say all the right things you know like, you know, Jesus died for us all and stuff but again, then yelling about how people are going to hell because they're so wicked, you know that that just creates an other and it puts me above that.

(01:08:50):
Yeah, and it never felt good.
I think you're right. I think that my experience of pride in the past has been around Christianity around my looks, but you know the opposite of conceit is doubt right so I might have gone into parties or situations and thought like I'm the prettiest person here, but that's not really what I believed about

(01:09:19):
myself.
Right.
Yeah.
But it came up in that. And then, you know, like we've talked about like arguing and wanting to be right and prove people wrong. I had a lot of that going on a lot in my younger years.
But yeah now when I feel healthy pride, it feels like floating down a river, right it feels soft it feels hard to flow it feels open like oh I reached full expansion yay.

(01:09:50):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, I don't really know how to describe it yet either but it'd be fun to keep the fairness around it for the week.
Yeah, I'm definitely going to do that because even when you were describing that like going into a party like and thinking something about yourself that you really didn't believe about yourself.
So it was almost like you want everybody else to think that you're the prettiest one there.

(01:10:14):
Right.
And in a way pride is about like that validation. You don't believe it yourself.
Yes.
Wow, that's pretty cool man.
Right but but pride from the heart or this other thing we're talking about does not need validation.
Right.
They're like that's just looking cool I did it I love it like you're all filled up with self it doesn't matter what anybody else thinks at all.

(01:10:40):
Yeah.
Like I remember like my favorite pool shot ever made the I was playing nine balls so you got to go in order 123 all the way up to nine right and the girl was playing made this amazing shop.
And so the cue ball was up table. The one ball was like right by the side pocket.

(01:11:01):
And there was another ball blocking me I could not get to it so I had to bank it.
So I hit the cue ball down table with a little bit of spin on it went on this side of the two ball came out on the other side of the two ball went up and just knocked the one and it went in right now.

(01:11:22):
It's what I intended.
Everything just lined up for me because I would not be able to do that shot again if my life depended on it.
But I started laughing I was like that was such an awesome shot you know so I was like proud of that shot but not.
It didn't mean that I was the greatest pool player in the world.
And nobody could have taken that feeling away from you even if somebody was like no your shot was stupid.

(01:11:48):
Oh yeah.
You felt it.
Yeah. Yeah. You my friends were like I was like dude you got so lucky and I'm like yeah but it was it was still cool man like it was really good. Yeah so they can't diminish it.
That's that's really interesting. That's going to be a pretty good exploration man.
Yeah it feels to me kind of like you know when you celebrate a tree or a flower or right like celebrating yourself is just another piece of creation.

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That sometimes gets it really right.
Yeah.
It's like sometimes the flower blooms perfectly or you get the best blueberry right.
Yeah.
Why I wonder why that like why.
Why do we like is it acceptable to celebrate everything and everyone except ourselves.

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Yeah.
I mean the odds of us just being alive are like one in a trillion there's more people there's more possible people that could be alive that won't be that will ever be alive in all of human history.
But we don't celebrate ourselves we just we tear ourselves down.
Yeah.
And I think part of that is like we talked about the negativity bias and evolution and where we're at in that stage and part of it is that

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we're very powerful to celebrate yourself and our society hasn't in my opinion wanted us to have access to that kind of power.
They want us to have the other kind right where oh I bought a new car and I have a house and I have all this stuff so I must be better than everybody else because I am good at capitalism.

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And I'm good at doing the same routine thing every day of my life.
You know for 40 something years so that I can then retire at 65 or 70 and then start living you know then start doing stuff I want to do.
Yeah.
I love that story about the fisherman and the guy comes up and says what are you doing sitting on the beach like you could catch more fish and he says well why would I want to catch more fish.

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And he says well so that you have like a stockpile and you don't have to work in the future and he's like I'm not working right now I'm like sitting on the beach what are you talking like literally what you're planning is what I'm doing right.
It's written better than that but that's the point right the now is all you have so enjoy it.

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And that's what I mean that's what we evolved that's how we've lived the majority of human of human existence.
You know hunter gathers worked on average about four hours a day and then the rest of the time was socialization maintenance like I mean just living and just experiencing life.

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But it's all reversed now.
Yeah some places are starting to you know make a four day work week but you still get paid them starting to ease off of that idea because the truth is with technology.
Everybody doesn't need to work 40 hours to afford food in a home.

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So it's changing that mindset about what is human worth and is it what you do for a living.
Right.
Yeah.
All right I like that homework assignment for the week so we're going to think about pride.
And sounds good.
Yeah.

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