Join me for an illuminating conversation with Lisa Campion, a renowned Psychic Counselor and Reiki Master Teacher with over 35 years of experience. In this episode, Lisa reveals how everyone possesses natural intuitive abilities and provides practical guidance for developing these innate gifts.
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- The fundamental difference between intuition and psychic abilities
- Why everyone has intuitive potential and how to develop it
- Gender differences in expressing and accepting intuitive gifts
- Practical exercises for developing psychic abilities
- Introduction to quantum healing and its relationship with traditional energy work
- Tips for maintaining energetic balance in daily life
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Lisa Campion is an accomplished author, psychic counselor, and Reiki master teacher. She leads a year-long apprenticeship program for aspiring healers and has dedicated her career to helping individuals discover and develop their spiritual gifts.
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- How to start a psychic journal
- Meditation techniques for developing intuition
- Methods for recognizing spiritual signs in everyday life
- Ways to balance energy work with daily responsibilities
- Understanding the connection between life purpose and intuitive gifts
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Welcome, Lisa.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Oh, thanks, Rose.
I'm so happy to be here withyou today.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
I'm excited that
you're here.
So you have so much experienceand you've helped so many people
connect with their intuitiveabilities, their psychic
abilities, become Reikipractitioners.
So I thought it would be greatjust to dive right in, because I
have so many questions for you,if that's okay.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Yeah, that's great,
let's do it.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Great.
So the first question I have isin your books you've written a
few books you talk aboutintuition and psychic ability,
and what I would like for you todo is just, in your words,
explain the difference betweenthe two.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Yeah, it's a really
great distinction to make and
it's, you know, not everypsychic makes this distinction,
but it's just sort of how I seeit is that intuition is really
our own inner knowing.
You know, like it's what weknow, we often experience it.
It's kind of like coming fromyour higher self, you know,
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coming from or from your owninner wisdom.
I think we can put it that way.
We often experience it in ourbody.
So what's going on?
Your body is like one of yourmost powerful psychic senses.
It always knows the truth, italways knows what's going on,
you know, it's impossible tofool it.
Then we have the feeling senselike, well, I have a good or bad
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feeling, you know.
Or we have emotions that areassociated with that too, like
this feels icky or this feelsreally good.
And then there's the innerknowing.
I don't know why, no, I justknow if you know anything about
the chakras.
Those are the first threechakras and those, I think, come
together to create ourintuition.
And it's really meant as acommunication tool, to so that
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your higher self, your soul self, can communicate directly with
you.
We all have it, every singleperson has it, whether we listen
to it, whether we pay attentionto it or not, I don't know, you
know.
And then psychic's a littledifferent.
Psychic is when we getinformation from outside our
system, from our spirit guides.
Our spirit team and everyperson I've ever done a reading
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for has a group of non-physicalbeings that are helping us,
because it's really hard tohuman on planet Earth and I
don't, you know, we don't comedown here without some backup,
and that's who our spirit teamis and they.
We often get that throughdreams, through.
It's sort of often more theauditory, like there's a little
voice in your head.
That one of those voices isn'tyou talking to yourself, it's
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one of your spirit guides.
Or through the visual senseyou're sort of through the upper
chakras, are a little bit moreattuned to the psychic realms.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Does that make sense?
Yeah, absolutely.
And you know, for many years Ireally couldn't distinguish
between what the two were as faras defining them, but I knew
somewhat that my inner guidancewas listening to my gut feeling
or having this notion ofsomething was going to happen,
whether good or bad, and thenalso having those psychic
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connections that I get symbolsor intuitive.
What we say hits or impressionsfrom whatever situation you're
in.
And I know that a lot of peoplesay I'm not really intuitive,
I'm not really psychic, but yousay it and I believe it too, is
that everyone is, everyone hasthese abilities to some extent,
and one of the things you do isyou help people to connect with
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or enhance certain abilities.
Can you talk about that fromthe perspective of teaching
people or how you help peopleconnect with that?
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Sure, yeah, I really
believe that psychic ability is
just an ability.
That's why I called my bookAwakening your Psychic Abilities
.
And then it's like musicalability or athletic ability
Everybody has some for everybody.
It just depends, I think, a loton how much we have, depends a
lot on our life purpose, whatwe're meant to do in the world.
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Healers always have a ton.
If you're a yoga practitioner,a healer, Reiki person, you're
going to be fully loaded withthose because they're really
useful in your life purpose.
But I've also trainedstockbrokers and lawyers and
stay-at-home moms andpoliticians.
People you wouldn't quote expectto be interested in psychic,
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but really everyone has it.
I think one of the biggestmyths is that you are just born
with it and you don't have towork it.
You have what you have andthere's no way to improve it.
But just like musical abilityor athletic ability, we don't
expect that.
We know that the pros we see,the professional athletes and
professional musicians, justwork like crazy.
You know they practice, theytake lessons and they refine
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their skills, and the same thing.
That's the same thing withpsychic ability.
Like we all can do it if we arewilling to work it.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Yeah, I agree with
you.
And do you find that women aremore intuitive than men?
I know you've worked with a lotof people and I've talked to
mostly women are very upfrontabout being intuitive or psychic
and men oftentimes won't, Iguess, express that.
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Do you find that one gender oranyone is more intuitive than
the other?
Speaker 2 (06:27):
I don't actually.
I think people are equallyintuitive across the board.
I think that there's moresocietal permission for women to
talk about it and for women tobe sort of tuning into their
feelings.
But I really don't thinkthere's any gender difference
there, more of our how weperceive ourselves, which I
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think a more significantdifference, rose, is are you a
feeling type person or are youan analytical person?
And that has to like are you aleft brain person or a right
brain person?
And I don't think that's agender issue.
I think it's.
We're sort of equally dividedacross genders and the people
that are identified as moreanalytical thinking, more of the
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left brain thinkers, strugglewith us a bit more.
Because it's when our, you know, a lot of the intuitive senses
are about sort of relaxing theanalytical part of your mind, of
tuning into your feelings andyour body and allowing sort of
the psychic download to happen.
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And what happens with peoplewho are highly analytical,
logical, is the minute thathappens their analytical brain
kicks in and goes what's goingon?
What does that mean?
Speaker 1 (07:41):
They try to make
sense of it.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Yeah, we try and make
sense of it, we start analyzing
it, and as soon as we startanalyzing it we shift into the
other side of our brain and thedownload stops.
So I think it has way more todo with your natural you know
inclination of are you leftbrain or right brain, and I
don't think that has anything todo with gender.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
That's great.
That's a great answer.
Yeah, do you find some peoplemaybe don't trust their
intuition when something pops up, or maybe they don't understand
what they're feeling.
What are some of the obstaclesthat you find are people when,
when you're working with people,this is one of the biggest
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barriers that people have.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
So it's super, super,
super common for people to not
trust what they're getting.
I think the really the twobiggest ones are paying it.
We don't pay attention.
I used to get around and saywhen I write a book on psyche
development, it's going to becalled pay attention.
Yeah, cause we have to payattention, we have to notice,
and I feel like there's sort ofa conflict that goes on between
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our logical mind and ourintuitive self, right?
So a lot of times ourintuitions come in and our
logical minds dismiss them.
You're making that up?
Well, that's just common sense.
Everybody knows that thishappens even more to those
logical left brain people wewere talking about where they
dismiss their own psychic stuff,as everybody knows that that's
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just common sense, you know, andreally it's pretty, it's a
pretty profound like experience.
So I think we have to learn,first of all, how to sort of
slow down and recognize and payattention to the fact that
that's happening.
And then I think we have to findand I teach some skills and
techniques for people to learnhow to trust, you know, and I
think one of the best places tostart is creating what I call
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the psychic journal.
In fact I believe in it so muchthat I wrote a psychic journal.
It's called the psychicawakening journal.
But you can just, you know, geta 99 cent composition book
that's what I did for years andwrite psychic journal on the top
of it.
And what you do is you startrecording all of your dreams.
If you pull divination cards,put your card pulls in there.
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If you get punches, nudges,first impressions because first
impressions are a really greatexample of our intuition at work
Signs and omens, you know, likeall the things that happen,
because they're so ephemeral andthey're so constant and we tend
we're not paying attention.
So putting them in the journalhelps us pay attention and what
we pay attention to grows.
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So I guarantee, if you keep apsychic journal for about a
month, you will be amazed howpsychic you already are.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Yeah, I love that.
And journaling is justfascinating or fantastic for any
aspect dream journaling, and Ithink also you see patterns.
Once you start writing themdown, you're like wait a minute,
I see these.
I'm going to say cardinal,because everyone associates
cardinals with spirit.
I see, you know a certaincrystal or a certain object all
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the time and that's yourintuition, or can be your
intuition.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Those are signs and
omens, you know, and I think a
lot of times what happens is weget an intuitive sense, or we
get a message from our spiritguides.
You get a message from fromdead Uncle Fred who's going to
send you cardinals, or from yourangel who likes to drop
feathers for you, or we get, weget kind of the, the psychic
impression, and then, because weneed a lot of proof as humans,
our guides, when our higher selfwill dish up these signs, omens
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, synchronicities, so we havesomething to hold on to and
believe in them.
One of my friends lost her sonwhen he was kind of a young man
and she knew she was talking tohim.
She had a pretty direct spiritconnection to him.
But she needed proof because itwas her son and he said I will
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send you heart-shaped rocks.
And literally everywhere shewent she would find heart-shaped
rocks.
She could be walking down, youknow, fifth Avenue in Manhattan
and she find a heart-shaped rockon the ground.
It's nuts.
I've seen her do it a milliontimes and yeah, and it was just.
It was just because she was sobrokenhearted that she needed
that kind of confirmation thatthe conversation she was having
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with her son were real, and butI find that combination psychic
hit, sign and omen to be areally great way for us to learn
how to trust that what we'regetting is real.
Sometimes we need that outsidevalidation or outside
confirmation that it's real.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Yeah, and it's really
healing and sometimes it's good
not to ask for those signs andthey show up.
But I know people want to seesigns, they want that validation
, and we were talking about leftbrain, right brain, and I think
there's a lot of distractionsnow too, a lot of social media,
just a lot of noise in general.
What are ways or what do yourecommend and I know I've read
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your book so I know you knowkind of get quiet and go find a
space.
Can you talk a little bit abouteither what you do or recommend
ways a person can get in touchwith that quiet side?
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Yeah, we definitely
need to make time to tune in
because, like you said,everything's so busy and your
guides, and I think this is whysome people's only contact with
their intuition is while they'resleeping and that comes through
dreams because we're just toobusy, we're not making space.
So I think there's two ways yousit down and do meditation,
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like I do about a half an hour,and I do it in the morning and
again before I go to bed and Istart with kind of my energy
management, energy clearingpractices, which are super
important for me ground clear,protect.
I do a little journaling, Ibring my uh divination cards,
pull I pull some cards, I dosome meditation.
You know, just kind of quietmyself and see what shows up.
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So that's a really fantasticspiritual discipline.
But I think that's sort of likegoing to the gym.
We call that like athleticability.
That's like going to the gymand giving it a work, your your
psychic muscle a workout.
But I think the other thingthat's probably already
happening to people and it'ssuper fun to do this is to to do
the alpha, alpha brainwaveexercises.
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So we are the most intuitivewhen we're in that alpha
brainwave and that's sort of alight trance state and we all
experience that when we'redriving, when we're folding
laundry, when we're in theshower.
People get the best psychic hitswhen they're in the shower, but
we're just, you know, walkingthe dog, mowing the lawn.
Those kinds of things Occupysince it's particularly good for
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the left brain analyticalthinkers is you give your hands
and your mind some menial,repetitive tasks to do.
So how you do this is you askyourself a question what do I do
about so-and-so or what do Ineed to know right now?
You can write it in yourpsychic journal to give it a
little more punch and then go doone of those alpha activities
Roll the grass, walk the dog,fold the laundry, take a shower
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and relax your mind.
Stop thinking about it and weshift into that alpha state.
Your brainwave shifts into thehighly intuitive,
problem-solving state and intoyour being will arise the answer
to the question and then recordthe answer in your journal, and
this is a really great way tofold psychic training into sort
of everyday life.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Wow, I love that.
I think the shower thing ishappens to me a lot.
I think it's because the wateris also hitting on my crown.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Yeah, probably, and
clear in the waters, clearing
off your energy field too.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Yes, yeah, and I said
Reiki when I take a shower.
Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
I'm a bath person, so
I have this exercise called the
bathtub oracle, where you youknow it's your journal.
Before you get in the tubby,you write your question, you get
in the tub and you just spaceout.
You don't, don't be on yourphone or reading your book, and
the same kind of thing willhappen.
It's like the water clears youoff and, um, into your, into
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your awareness will pop theanswer to your question.
So yeah, those are good thingsto do movement exercises too.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
I know you've
practiced um and studied martial
arts and also qigong or qigong,yeah and dance.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
I'm a dancer now, so
these days I do all kinds of
dance, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
So you say you're a
dancer now.
Yeah, you weren't a dancerbefore.
Now you've embraced somethingdifferent, right?
Something new.
Well, I have been a dancer.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
for quite a long time
Before the pandemic happened I
was doing ballroom dancing andnow I'm doing, you know, sort of
more contemplative likeecstatic dance and things like
that.
But I think even in my martialarts days I was.
You know martial arts, theflowy styles and Tai Chi and
things are kind of close todance.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Yeah, so I'm a Qigong
instructor.
I'm certified as a Qigonginstructor and also yoga teacher
and Reiki master.
But I found that teaching yogais great, I love it, but it
wasn't doing for my body what Ifelt I needed like as far as
movement and the sensation in mybody.
And I noticed that afterpracticing Qigong and learning
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more about Qigong for severalyears and the energy component
of it, I am more of an openchannel and I feel more in my
body when I'm having eitherintuitive guidance or a psychic
kit and also's really, and alsoit's helped me to stop drinking
alcohol, which I've alwayswanted to, but that intention
was so strong that it alsohelped, and Reiki has helped me
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to release any of that whole.
Not that I was drinking like alot, but enough where it wasn't
good for me anymore that I felt.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Yeah, yeah, I think,
like we raise our frequency to a
certain level through all thethings that you were doing, you
know, meditation and Qigong andReiki and all the all the good
stuff, and then those sort oflower vibe things, to just don't
work for us anymore, yeah, youknow, and they kind of really
bring down your vibe and itdoesn't feel good.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
As as people who are
sensitive, or sensitives as you
call them, empaths and healers,do you think that sometimes
they're drawn to some of thelower vibe things as a way of
grounding them?
Like, maybe drinking was a wayof grounding my energy, because
I'm always like I don't know,maybe I'm just always up in the
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air at being an aquarium too,I'm like you know.
You know food also can besomething that people find that
grounds them when their energy.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Maybe they don't
understand it totally nothing
will slam you back in your bodyfaster than hamburger, a
hamburger, cheeseburger andfrench fries and a milkshake.
Bam, you're back in your body,like like you know, it's true,
and I think that oftentimes too,especially the empaths and
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sensitives will use some ofthose things to numb out.
So there tends to be like apull towards addictions to just
sort of stop the oversensitivity, like if you're so sensitive
and you don't know how to shutthat down, you don't know how to
protect yourself, you don'tknow how to shut down your
feelings or, you know, block outother people's feelings.
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There can be a pull to sort ofthe, the heavy, you know ground
foods and and and addictions tokind of just numb and shut.
So a lot of that's somethingthat a lot of sensitives have to
deal with.
And I think learning, I thinksmoking, is a fascinating one,
because if you think about it,if you're a smoker, you go
outside, you leave the group,you, you're outside in nature.
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Now, now, these days, you,you're probably alone.
You take a deep breath and thenyou blow this sacred smoke from
the sacred herb all the waythrough your energy field.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
You know, you might
as well just go outside and sage
yourself.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Right, and I think I
never looked at it that way.
Yeah, when people learn how toclear their energy, sometimes
they can really give up smoking.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
And any of these
other things.
Yeah, I you know, talking aboutbeing sensitive, again also a
lot of women or a lot of people.
I say women because women areoften told you're sensitive or
don't overreact and they're.
You know, it's part of who weare.
It makes it like I know I'mvery sensitive and I may
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overreact over certain thingsbecause I just feel nobody
understands me.
But once you find that this iswho you are and your me.
But once you find that this iswho you are and your authentic
self and you find these tools tohelp you maybe not smoking or
drinking, but other bettergrounding techniques you feel
better overall.
You know you start to feel ashift or a transformation happen
.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Yeah, it feels
terrible to not be allowed to be
yourself.
It's exhausting and depressingand anxiety provoking to try and
hide who we really are or tojust try to hide that from
ourselves and try to hide thatfrom the world.
And there's, I think, as wegrow spiritually and we do our
personal growth work which I'venever been able to separate
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those two, by the way spiritualgrowth work puts us on the path
of inner healing and, as we kindof, you know, surrender to that
and and let the layers ofhealing happen, we just become
more authentically who we are,we become more our higher self
all the time and it just feelsso much better to do that that
we don't always need those heavy, that heavy fuel, you know, to
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kind of get us through the day.
I also think there are many,many empathic men and I think
there are as many empathic menas there are women, and they,
they just have actually have amuch more difficult time rather
than we do.
So, for the same reasons Italked about.
Like we, just as women, we geta little more leeway for being
sensitive, and men haveespecially men of my generation
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had the like, real macho, likebe macho, like you're crying,
Let me give you some, let megive you something to cry about,
this kind of like upbringingthat we had.
You know, I'm a Gen Xer, so I'mlike we all have raised by
wolves things, but that I thinkit's super hard and I'm I'm glad
to see sort of a shift in theyounger people I work with now
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have a lot more freedom in their, in their subculture for being
sensitive.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
I know you growing up
you always been very intuitive,
but you also had parents whosupported that.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Yeah, for the most
part.
God bless my hippie parents,you know, and I would say, like
they didn't know what to do,cause who knew what to do?
I was born in the sixties Likenobody knew what to do, you know
.
And and they didn't drag me tochurch and throw holy water on
me, you know like happens.
They didn't put me in a mentalhospital.
They didn't, you know, do a lotof things that happen to people
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, that whose parents aren't sounderstanding.
My mom, I remember my momsaying oh, it's just your
imagination, like you have sucha good imagination, and I was
like I'm imagining it, you know,but I, it took me a while to
kind of unpick that one, but itcould have been a lot worse and
they did do some amazing things.
So when I was 10, they took meto transcendental meditation,
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because that's what you did andif you were a hippie in 1974,
then Maharishi came around and Igot to meet.
Maharishi gave me like, gave melike an initiation and I, you
know, my parents were hardcoremeditators.
When I was in high school wedid this.
It used to be called civil mindcontrol, Do you remember that?
Now it's called the method.
Yeah, I did like all sevenlevels of that when I was in
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high school and it was anincredibly powerful part of my
psychic training.
That's about the time I startedstudying martial arts too.
So part of my childhood wasextremely difficult growing up
in a super haunted, creepy oldVictorian house in New England.
And there was this gift ofgrace too that were right when I
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thought I couldn't take it.
Something amazing would happenand I would get sort of an
extraordinary kind of spiritualtraining experience?
Speaker 1 (23:17):
yeah, do empaths have
a harder time maintaining
relationships or people that areintuitive, and do we have a
harder time either maintainingromantic relationships or even
creating and maintainingfriendships with other people?
Speaker 2 (23:32):
It's such an
interesting question.
It's a great book.
It's called Energy Healing forEmpaths.
It's a good little book.
I do think yes and no like.
On some ways we have troublemaintaining relationships
because we're often reallyintroverted.
We often like, prefer our catsand our plants I'm just talking
(23:52):
about myself here, you know,like, give me the plants and the
cats and our books, yeah, andsometimes we can become really
relationship junkies, likecodependent, you know, and
unable to leave relationships weshould leave.
Maybe we don't know who we areoutside of a relationship, so we
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tend to attract narcissists.
So we can get into this like Icall them energy vampires in the
book, but really they'renarcissists, and we can get into
this very unhealthy stickyconnection where we, until we
learn how to manage our energyand our emotions, attract super,
super, super needy people whoof all kinds, who just want to
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suck the life out of us.
And once we've had enough ofthat, it's back to just the cats
and the plants.
So I think we can kind offlip-flop between solitary and
overstuffed with prettydysfunctional relationships.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
As empaths though I
know empaths means we are
feeling.
What other person can befeeling?
And you were saying aboutenergy vampires.
What are ways that people canprotect their energy?
When they sense that maybe theenergy is being sucked out of
them or it's constant?
What can they do?
What advice do you have forthem?
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Well, them, well it's
really all about learning how
to set boundaries and saying no,and I think we begin that by
our energy management practices.
So anyone that's an empath or asensitive needs to have daily,
hourly, as needed, you know,energy management.
That means we ground, we stayin our body because that's hard
for us.
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We clear the energy we pickedup from other people because
empaths are like sponges and weabsorb all the emotions,
thoughts, feelings, physicalsensations of the people around
us.
So we need a way to clear thatout of our.
If we're a sponge, you need tosqueeze the sponge right and we
need protection.
Psychic protection, which I seeas the outside edge of our
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energy field, needs to becomeless like a sponge and more like
a solid barrier.
So when that's the first thingI teach any of my students,
whether they're psychicdevelopment students, reiki
practitioners, empaths we needto learn how to have an
energetic boundary that gives usa leg to stand on.
So those ground, that ground,clear and protect process I do
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before I first thing, when Iwake up, before I go to bed, in
between clients, before I gointo Walmart, halfway through
Walmart, when I get out ofWalmart and I can't find my car
in the parking lot.
You know like, like that.
So we need that and that.
Then we can do the harder job,which is learning how to speak
our boundaries.
Saying no to people is reallyhard for us, but we need to
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learn how to do that and use ourdiscernment to what we're a yes
and what we're a no to.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
Yeah, I'm finally
learning, after many years on
this planet doing the work andbeing empathic, learning to say
no.
And damn, it feels so good whenyou say no.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
It does feel so good.
My trick to that, rose, is thatI, if people ask me to do
something, I never commit in themoment, because in the moment I
feel their pain or I feel howmuch they need it, or I feel how
, how adorable they are, howmuch I like them and I want to
help them, I'm like, oh, ofcourse I'm going to say yeah,
you know, and we're, we're sogiving and generous hearted, as
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empaths, you know, we reallycare.
And so I've learned to say letme get back to you, I'll give
you the answer tomorrow.
And I have to kind of like, sitin my room alone with my
calendar and do my ground clear,protect and like really think
am I yes or no?
Can I really do?
This is the fit of my calendar,does it suit my objectives for
this quarter, whatever you know.
And then we have to find a lotof really, really, really nice
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ways to say no, so that we don'tfirm, but nice, so we don't
hurt people's feelings.
No, thank you.
Oh, I'd so love to help you,but I'm just over committed
right now.
Or, you know, like all thethings People understand.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
Yes, right, because
it may not be that you're doing
something now, or you can't doit now, maybe later, but I think
eventually people understand.
But you do have to protect yourown energy.
That comes first, and I findthat I feel better when I am
able and I'm doing what yousuggest, what you suggest.
I am pausing and saying, okay,I need to get back to you so
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that I can make the bestdecision for myself, because if
we don't protect our own energy,then we can't really do the
work we need to do for others.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
That's right, we're
just burned out.
At that point we're like aburned out crunchy mess.
We get totally drained, Likewhat happens when you're around
energy vampires.
They suck you dry until youbecome an energy vampire, by the
way.
So you know, sometimes thebiggest energy vampire in the
room is the empath that has beenso drained they don't even know
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that now they're an energyvampire.
We have to really watch out forthat.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
Yes, absolutely I'd
like to talk about you talked
about a spirit team earlier thateveryone has a spirit team, and
then there's different guides,and I learned that also there's
different guides for differentthings, like if you're a writer,
if you're an artist, and thenyou also have some certain
guides yourself.
Can you talk about a little bitabout these guides that we have
, and maybe even I know youoffer ways in your books to
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connect to them, but maybe somesuggestions as well?
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Yeah, it's one of the
coolest and most exciting
things I think about doingpsychic development work is
understanding who our team is.
It's just so beautiful andmagical.
We all have a team.
Never met anyone that didn'thave a team, and often our team
is very mixed, so it might bedead Uncle Fred and a bunch of
angels and a few ascendedmasters and a couple of power
animals and maybe some naturespirits.
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It's so unique for every personand I think it has a lot to do
with our life purpose, ourexperiences, also who we're
calling in, because we can callthem in through prayer.
If you're praying every day forArchangel Michael to show up and
protect you, he's going to bethere.
You know, and, like I can tellpeople who are like practicing,
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I'm like, did you grow upCatholic?
You got a lot of saints andJesus and Mary are here.
You know, like you've done alot of Hail Marys, I can tell
you know they show up when wecall on them, like you know, and
and so we have them.
They have sort of specificroles, you know.
They might they're protectorguides or, like Archangel
Michael and his, his group ofguides, they're working on, on
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protecting us.
They're teacher guides or healerguides.
They're the spiritual directoris one of the most important
guides to know and that is theguide that is in charge of our
spiritual evolution, you know,and are the lessons that were
that were given andopportunities that were given
here on earth.
And then they, they, some ofthem stick with you forever.
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So some of them come and go,like I only have guides that
show up when I'm writing orteaching.
I've had guides that were withme for through a phase of life
and then that phase passed andthey're not there anymore.
But there's always someconsistency too.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
Yeah, you say you
have one in particular.
You, uh, you have your bossyguide.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
They're all bossy.
All my guides are super, superbossy.
I just show up and do what I'mtold.
I have 13 guides and my higherself is one of them and
oftentimes, you know, I countpeople's higher self in with our
team.
Yeah, and I have a couple thatlike one.
They also have a kind of snarkysense of humor, so I see them
like there's one of one of themthat has.
They're like sitting at aconference, like a committee
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conference table, you know thecouncil, and one of them's got
the mic and they're like tap,tap, tap.
Is this thing on?
Can you hear us?
But since I was little my, agree, 14 or 15, I had this sort of
revel, revelatory, psychic, youknow spiritual epiphany, where I
was given the assignment to dothe work that I do here and
they're like we're your team andyou're you're.
You have a lot of gifts andskills that you're going to give
to the world.
But the deal is you have to beof service and as long as you're
using your gifts to help otherpeople, you'll be given more and
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more gifts, more and moreopportunities.
But if you sort of use it forselfish reasons or you misuse,
it's gone.
And part of that deal was to dodo what I'm told to be on
assignment, you know, and, um,that's not everybody's
relationship with our guides.
Some people hate being what'sbeing told what to do and don't
have bossy guides at all.
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But mine are really bossy and Ijust I, just that's it.
I just show up and do what I'mtold.
Yeah, I'm gonna write anotherbook, and I'm like, no, really
and don't, and they'll keepreminding you.
They're like I got that one.
And then, like two hours later,my publisher called me and said
, lisa, it's time to writeanother book.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
No, my god okay, but
you knew that already.
I knew that already.
You know um, and our guides arethere.
We can ask them for help.
A lot of people forget toco-create with spirit.
You know they're there to helpyou.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
I mean, I think you
should ask for help before your
feet hit the bed every morning.
You know like you.
Totally agree.
Or you get out of bed like Idon't know what I need today,
but help me.
And it's really important to dothat because they have to
operate under the rules of freewill.
Like free will, this is a freewill dimension, and free will is
very powerful.
Your guides cannot help, butwill not violate your free will
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or help you to violate the freewill of other people, and so
they almost need an invitationevery single day.
And even if it's okay if you'relike I don't even know what I
need, just help me, just give me.
We can ask for specifics.
It's really great to ask forground support.
I need more money, I need morehelp, I need more.
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You know whatever you need.
Then we have to sort of drop ourexpectation of how that shows
up, because you know universe,god and spirit team is always
way smarter than we are abouthow we're going to get that, and
there's some kind of rules too,like they can't violate your
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free will.
They won't clean up your mess.
We're still held responsiblefor our actions.
They won't take away yourlessons for you is what would be
the point.
You know they can help you,they can assist you, they can
help you, especially if we asklike see other, you know
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viewpoints, or open to otherpossibilities, or it's almost
like our job is to feel really,really worthy of receiving their
help, because I think we blockit when we don't ask and when we
don't feel worthy.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
Yeah, you're right,
Absolutely.
One of the things I'm doing isbecause I have a hard time
asking for help, because Ialways feel it.
I think it stems from being achild.
I was pretty independent.
I was independent.
Now I'm asking my spirit teamto just provide the proper
resources I need.
Yeah, that's the ground support.
Yeah, I love that the groundsupport.
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Yeah, because I won't just pickup the phone and ask someone
for help you know, but I justwant someone to be around at the
right time that I need.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Yeah, I mean you're
like, okay, I'll write the book,
but that means you got to clearsome space in my calendar.
That means you have to help meget some extra money so I'm not,
you know, worried about moneyand so I can drop some of the
things out of my calendar andstill have enough money.
Like I'm like, all right, youknow I've.
They helped me find a greatpublisher, great editors, you
know all those things, so theymake it as easy as possible.
(35:27):
You know it's still hard to do.
Writing a book is difficult.
Not going to lie, it's stillhard to do.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
Writing a book is
difficult, not going to lie.
Well, I'm writing one as welland I found who I think is a
lovely person and I feel isgoing to be a great editor to
work with, and it just happened.
But I had asked for it.
But, yes, I'm writing my firstbook, so congratulations, thank
you.
What's it about?
So?
It's about, so, the mother, themaiden and mother of crone.
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It's about the crone, but Idon't like the word crone.
And I woke up one day and I gotall these downloads about
calling that transition of lifefor women more of an empress
energy.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
Yeah, Queen is
sometimes what people call it.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
Queen.
But empress came and I got allthe downloads came and I was
just writing, and writing, andwriting.
And I was like wow, I'm reallygoing to embrace the energy of
this, empress energy and embodyit.
It's going to have also someother meditations and movement
exercises, but also just aguidebook for women who forget
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that they're beautiful andforget that they're connected
and they have so much wisdom andgrace and they don't have to
look like or feel like a hag ora crone or you know that older
interpretation of what that is.
So that's what my book is about.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
I love it.
That's so beautiful.
Congratulations.
Sounds like the world needsthat work.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
I hope so.
I hope so.
Maybe that's part of my lifework.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
I think, I'm sure.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
Thank you.
You mentioned at the beginningsome Oracle cards and other
divination tools.
What are some that you use?
Obviously you use cards.
I love that.
What are some that you don'trecommend?
Speaker 2 (37:10):
Ouija board.
Do not use the Ouija board,Don't do it.
Spirit boards in general, Ouijaboard in particular just a
gateway right over to the darkside of the astral plane, the
lower astral world, and it'sjust 8 million horror stories on
what happens when you use theOuija board.
(37:30):
Yeah, I think that's really myonly don't heavy, Don't do.
Don't take the Ouija board tothe abandoned mental hospital.
You know, don't do that Like.
But I think all of the pendulumcan be really good dowsing rods
.
I really love to teach muscletesting so I think everyone
needs like psychic students needeither pendulum, dowsing rods
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or muscle testing as a way totest, Not for predictive.
It's not like I like a pendulum.
It's not very good atpredicting the future, it's kind
of terrible at that but what itis good at doing is confirming
or denying your psychic hits.
So let's say you're asleep inthe middle of the night and a
spirit comes in and you're likeoh, I think that's that Uncle
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Fred coming for a visit.
And as soon as you think thatyou're like, what if it isn't?
You go down the rabbit hole ofdoubt and that's when you pull
out your divination tool likeyour pendulum or your dowsing
rods Was that, Uncle Fred?
And you just get a very clearyes, no, I don't know from your
pendulum.
And that's where it's reallyreally useful.
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And I think the question youask about trusting your head if
you can check all of yourpsychic hits with the pendulum
to confirm or deny, you're goingto build a lot more trust in
your own psychic hits.
And I'm a big time fan of therider weight to road deck.
I've I've used that forsomebody gave me one when I was
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16 and I just saw, I think.
But there are many great ones.
There's so many good art oraclecards.
Just like every day there's newones that come out.
There are really great um runesare fantastic eating.
I think whatever you vibe withis all good.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
So I see an Oracle
deck in your future.
I'm not your spirit guide, butI would love to see you.
Speaker 2 (39:26):
I wrote one, you did
Yep, and I had the artist done
and I'm seeking a publisher forit.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
See, oh, you're super
psychic.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
That's in the process
.
I'm having a hard time findingsomeone who'll publish it.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
Okay, Well yeah, I
will be the first one to buy it
and use it.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
It's really cool.
It's a beautiful deck.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
I'm also working on
one with a friend.
She's a synesthesia artist WowCool.
And we're combining our talentsto create a deck as well, and
it's really, you know, it's partof what we felt drawn to do and
collaborate on, and I love thefact that I'm meeting people and
collaborating with people.
It's part of this wonderfulcommunity of healers, isn't that
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?
Speaker 2 (40:09):
nice.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
Yeah, it's beautiful.
I love that too.
We didn't talk about Reiki andpsychic awareness.
You wrote a book about that,which I love as well, and I love
that you combine the two, Ithink.
I think that once you become aReiki practitioner, your psychic
abilities will start to alsoflourish and open up.
And can you talk about eitherhow that all began for you or
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how, or just in general, talkthose two modalities?
Speaker 2 (40:35):
Yeah, so I've been a
Reiki teacher for 25 years.
I learned in 1999 and back thenit was a really still weird
thing to do, like still prettyfringy and edgy, and and I was
already teaching.
So I started teaching Reiki andI was teaching psychic, psychic
development, and I found thatmy students would take both.
They would take all my Reikiclasses, they would take all my
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psychic development classes andit seemed to me like a really,
really natural pairing.
And then one day I got a Reikistudent who was like, oh, I
stepped back from Reiki healingbecause as soon as I got my
Reiki level two attunement,she's like it opened up, like a
portal in my psychic ability andall of a sudden she's, she was
powerful mediumship ability.
She's like my room was full ofdead people at night and I was
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seeing colors around people andyou know, spirits were coming
into my Reiki sessions and I hadan encounter with an angel and
I saw something really dark andshe's like she's freaked out and
she asked her Reiki teacher tohelp her and the Reiki teacher
said quit doing that, that's notpart of Reiki, we're not going
to talk about that.
(41:38):
Stop that right now.
And so she did.
She stopped, she stoppedeverything and then finally
she's like, oh my God, I justreally need both and you do both
.
So what I found, that's when Iwrote my book the Art of Psychic
Reiki 2018.
So what I've found, that's whenI wrote my book, the Art of
Psychic Reiki 2018.
And I've found I always say thatReiki, yoga and meditation are
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the three gateway activitiesthat will open your psychic
abilities and do so.
If you have a lot of naturalpsychic ability and you start
meditating, you start doing yoga, do Reiki, it's going to pop
open, and it's good that it does, because, especially for Reiki
practitioners, it's a fantasticadd-on.
And your empathic abilities,too.
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All of those are part of thetoolkit of a healer.
And isn't it an incredibleopportunity for you to add
another level of beautifulhealing and provide value and
service to your clients?
If you can communicate, you know, use your own intuition and in
the middle of a Reiki session,or facilitate a communication
between angels that you know,bring in the people's guides and
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it's just, it's just so good inevery single way to be able to
add that.
And then the traditional Reikitraining it's not, it's not a
thing, it's not part of theconversation.
And so many Reiki less now, butstill I still.
It's not a thing, it's not partof the conversation.
And so many Reiki less now, butstill I still hear this story a
lot.
So many traditional Reikiteachers just have nothing to
say on the topic and they'relike, they're just like stop
that.
Speaker 1 (43:03):
Yeah, I use both of
the modalities.
I mean, it's such a gift ofhealing for people, right they
go together so well and and weneed help accessing it.
Speaker 2 (43:13):
So it's not.
It can be scary, confusing,frightening, especially if you
have that idea that it shouldn'tbe happening.
You know, psychics, the devil,or like.
You know, like it's, it's notgood, um, then we shut it down
and I don't think it goes wellfor people who have a ton of
ability, who keep shutting itdown.
It doesn't.
It ends up, you know, creatingdepression or just making you go
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a little nutty if you have aton of psychic ability and you
shut it down hard.
So cause, I think it's meant,we're meant to use it.
Speaker 1 (43:46):
Yeah, you offer.
You offer classes that you knowit's not it's.
It's good to learn it becausethere's so many different
Claire's that we have.
We can hear things, we can seethings, we can feel things, know
things and learning about eachone and what they are, what they
do, how to connect with them,how to grow them.
Maybe one's not right for you,whatever.
That's all part of thatlearning process, so that you
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understand it and that's whatyou offer.
You teach people how to do that.
Speaker 2 (44:13):
Absolutely so.
I teach psychic Reiki on mywebsite.
I have all three levels.
You can take it online and theclasses are fat, like my Reiki.
Psychic Reiki level one is 16hours of instruction and it's a
combination of Reiki trainingReiki level one plus empath
training, all the energymanagement stuff you know.
And then Reiki level two isReiki two level training with
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psychic development.
Like let's figure out how totalk to our Reiki guides, let's
talk about, like, what happenswhen we start feeling things or
knowing things, and it's one ofthe coolest, I think,
experiences Reiki.
People who are receiving Reikiexperiences what I call the
invisible hands.
You know, when you're receivingReiki and you're like how many
pairs of hands are there on meright now?
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You know, like, did somebodyelse come into the room?
That happened to me when I myone of my first Reiki sessions.
I swear I could feel like threepeople working on me, to the
point where I open my eyes andit's just one, one lady in there
doing it and her hands aroundmy head and I was like who's
touching my feet, you know, andthat it's there.
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Were guides in there, angels, Idon't.
Was some higher, higher beingsthat were in there doing the
session that were touching myfeet.
So I think that is such acommon um and beautiful
experience we can have as aspractitioners and clients, um,
and we need help.
We can't just open to thatworld without training, just
like we can't open to the worldof Reiki without training.
We need training practice, acommunity, a mentor, all of
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those things to maximize thatpotential.
Speaker 1 (45:50):
Yes, totally agree.
Did you ever have anyone comethrough your hands and guide
your hands while you're doingReiki All the time?
Speaker 2 (45:58):
Yeah, I've had that
as well, especially when I was
new and I didn't really knowwhat I was doing.
And now, even when I do complexthings like psychic surgery on
on people, I feel I've asurgical team that comes in and
does like high level um, likeDNA repair.
You know like DNA repair, youknow atomic level repair,
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quantum field repair, you knoworgan repair, all this really
high level stuff.
I don't do that, I just makethe space and these guides come
in and work through me when I'mdoing that.
So I think that everybody hasthat, whether we know about it
or not.
There are times when yourguides step into you and are
doing the healing for you.
Speaker 1 (46:42):
Do you feel the more
you practice?
I think I know the answer, butI want everyone to hear it from
you the more you practiceanything, the better you will
get it of course, yeah, and Imean I it's.
Speaker 2 (46:53):
There's sort of this
controversy about you know about
the term reiki master and whatthat means, and I think this is
something we need to be reallyhumble about and, um, it's great
if you get.
I call it when I teach it.
I call it Reiki level three.
You know what I mean, cause, onReiki master is sort of like
you've done it for 10 years, youhave 10,000, they say 10,000
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hours and 10 years under yourbelt before you're you mastered
something, and I think that'strue.
So, having some humility,having some continued education,
so I have what I call Reikilevel four, which is continuing
ed for Reiki practitioners.
So what do you do when you wantmore training but you've done
all the levels, you know and youstill want to learn things?
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And we talk about advancedenergy, anatomy and chakras and
energy fields and all kinds ofsort of higher level things.
So I think we keep studying, wekeep growing and we keep
practicing so we get to thatlevel of mastery that we're
looking for.
Speaker 1 (47:50):
I love that.
Looking ahead, how do you seethese healing modalities
evolving as our society becomesincreasingly interested in
holistic approaches towell-being and I know we've seen
the growth, but do you seeanything different?
Or how do you see thingsevolving?
Speaker 2 (48:14):
You know, when I
started working in um and there
are all the big city hospitalshere in Rhode Island and Boston
have Reiki units on them, now,full-time Reiki stuff.
Um, and back when I wasteaching, I would teach, taught
a lot of nurses and they wouldhave to hide what they were
doing.
They would have to.
They were doing it on the sly,you know, and they would get in
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trouble if it was found out theywere doing this.
And now these same hospitalshave full-time multiple.
They have 20 full-time Reikipractitioners, or 10 plus 30
volunteers, you know.
So I feel like there's more andmore Dana-Farber, the famous
cancer institute, has full-timeReiki practitioners for to
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receive, while you're receivingyour chemotherapy treatments,
that you can get Reiki.
And it really there's quite alot of you know scientific
evidence that says this.
This mitigates the you knowside effects of chemotherapy.
Um, so I think that world isgoing that way and more and more
mainstream.
I think people are verydisappointed in our medical
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system and our mental healthsystem.
I don't think it's working foranybody, except maybe the
insurance companies and bigpharma, but no one else is happy
with it.
And so people are turning moreand more to holistic modalities
and alternative medicine and yetfor me, like about five years
ago, four years ago, I feel likeI shifted, turned a corner.
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I don't think I do Reiki anymore.
I do this other thing that Icall quantum healing, and it's
more like Reiki, is like avibrational medicine.
So it's using vibration to workon the physical, spiritual,
physical, mental and emotionalside of us, and sometimes it's
spiritual, but quantum healingworks with lights side of us,
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and sometimes it's spiritual,but quantum healing works with
light instead of vibration andit works much more deeply on our
light body.
Our spiritual body really worksacross space and time, works
through past lives and lineagestuff, kind of really healing
things at the core of who we areon the quantum field, like your
original self, even the selfbefore you came down here, even
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the self that may be incarnatingon other planets and places
besides earth, and so there's somany people that are shifting
into this quantum healing.
You kind of see it around a lotnow that word and I'm doing it
myself, teaching it myself, andto me I think that's the future
of energy healing.
We were, I think we're going tomove away from vibrational
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healing techniques and move moreinto these light healing
techniques.
I love that, I would love tolearn that and you teach that I
will be teaching it for thefirst time in April in Newport,
rhode Island, so come on down.
Speaker 1 (50:56):
I will, actually I
will.
I'm definitely interested inlearning that.
I love that Pretty cool.
Is there anything else you'dlike to talk about before we
wrap up any offerings besidesthe quantum healing one in April
which you have?
I know you have a lot on yourwebsite.
Speaker 2 (51:09):
We do.
Yeah, so I, besides having allof the levels of Reiki, I also
have lots of psychic developmentprograms from beginner,
intermediate and to like prolevel.
So I think my the coolest thingthat I do is I have a year long
apprentice program that helpstake people, give you everything
you need to be a professionalintuitive energy healer and it,
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you know, I I had to do it allalone Cause that was, it wasn't
like 1987 when I started workingas a psychic and I just I knew
nothing.
I had to do it all alonebecause that was.
It was like 1987 when I startedworking as a psychic and I just
I knew nothing.
I had no help.
There was no Internet about itin the library, no podcasts like
this, nothing, zero.
And ever since then I've I'vehad to sort of forge ahead you
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know, bushwhack up the mountainand find my own path, and it was
really hard for a lot of it.
So I feel like deeplypassionate about helping the
other.
My mission in life is to createan army of healers to go out
there and save the planet andanything.
I now more than ever I thinkthere's more healers on the
planet than ever has been andand I don't want people to have
to struggle and thrash aroundand be and do it alone and make
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all the mistakes like I had to.
If I can help other peoplelearn easy, with more grace and
ease than I did, that's reallymy passion.
So, and I love that apprenticeprogram because you can really
buckle down and do do what Ithink you need to go pro so, but
I have also all different kindsof levels for that and and
that's what I'm really excitedabout right now- I love that,
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and you also have a lot ofwonderful blog posts out there.
Speaker 1 (52:47):
I was filtering
through so much information, so
I definitely I share everythingwith the audience and the show
notes and I just I want to thankyou for taking the time of your
very busy schedule to be here.
I was so looking forward totalking to you and connecting
with you and I'm excited to haveeveryone listened and learn
more about you and yourofferings and all the beautiful
things that you're doing.
Speaker 2 (53:06):
So thank, you so much
.
Thank you for having me today.
I really appreciate theconversation.
It was really fun.
Speaker 1 (53:12):
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