Trauma in the Body: How Somatic Therapy Unlocks Deep Healing with Casey Stevens

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Rose (00:00):
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Today on Chat Off The Mat, Iwelcome Casey Stevens.
She's the founder of ShrinkBigger.

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Shrink Bigger is a spiritualpsychology practice offering
modern therapy and mastercoaching, blending practical
psychology and esoteric energymedicine With over a decade of
clinical practice.
She's a licensedpsychotherapist, a master
certified coach and a certifiedclinical hypnotherapist With

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over a decade of clinicalpractice.
Hypnotherapist with over adecade of clinical practice, she
integrates her intuitive andhealing abilities to allow
herself to feel people's uniqueenergy and adapt tools and
techniques based on the preciseneeds of each soul.
Welcome, Casey.

Casey (01:18):
Yeah, thanks so much, Rose.
I'm so happy to be here withyou.

Rose (01:21):
Why don't we just start out by asking about Casey?
Who is Casey Stevens?

Casey (01:29):
Well, very multidimensional question, I
would say professionally and forpurposes, perhaps, of this
podcast.
I am a spiritual psychotherapand I like to practice in a
holistic way, blending both kindof the clinical approach but
also the spirit.

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And so and I practice, you know, here in Seattle and mostly
meet with people all over theworld who are looking for that
particular brand of of work andhealing that is a little bit
more integral.

Rose (02:04):
So, yeah, so let's talk about what traditional
psychotherapy is first, so thatwe'll have a kind of an
understanding, and to comparemore the spiritual psychotherapy
.
So let's start off with that.

Casey (02:20):
Yeah.
So I'm just really, you know,thinking about the way that
anyone goes through kind ofWestern medicine, and there is a
bent really there that in myview has a bit of a ceiling to
it.
There's a certainly inherentvalue and understanding and
diagnosing and studying humanpatterns and behaviors, but

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there's also this tendency rightto pathologize and, you know,
just study things.
But again there feels to melike there's a limit that we hit
in that framework where it'snot really considering the whole
person and so, you know it'sthat, is that really kind of
Western framework that reallykind of leans into the, you know

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, psychology of human behavior.
But what I think is reallyvaluable is taking it beyond
that, and this spiritualapproach, holistic approach
really is leans away so muchfrom pathologizing, from
diagnosing, from any of thosethings.
Certainly we can do that andyou know, you know we have the

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knowledge and the understandingto do so.
But I think it really sees theperson as a whole being and
really understanding that we are, you know, bio and psycho
individual.
And so what's informing ifthere's imbalance in our system
in some way, whether whateverlayer of our being that's
represented on, it's usuallybecause there's something that's

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gotten out of balance, you know, way down the line before it's
ever presented in the presentmoment.
And so in my perspective, in theholistic and spiritual approach
, it's really understanding, youknow, what is that, what's
gotten out of balance and whatis our being calling to have
rebalanced inside of ourself.

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And if we understand that andreally try to get to the root of
whatever the symptomology is,rather than just treating the
symptoms and managing those on abase level, it really feels
like that's where we can havereal transformation and not be
over identified with any ofthese pathologies or traumas or,
you know, whatever thediagnoses, any of those things

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that Western psychology tends tofocus more on.
And so I would prefer to go,you know, really downstream and
understand what's going on,what's out of balance, what's
being called forward to behealed, so that you know we can
have liberation in all layers ofour being.
And so to me that's kind of thedistinction.

Rose (04:55):
Wow, Do you find that most of the people that come to you,
they go down the traditionalpath first and then, when they
can't find what they're lookingfor as far as healing, they turn
to you for more of anintegrative approach?

Casey (05:11):
Definitely, definitely.
So typically, working with me,it's maybe a little bit more
advanced approach I've.
You know most people will say,wow, I've never done therapy
like this before.
So it's kind of like you'vedone some of these other stops.
Sometimes they've tried theseother things, but it could be a
lot of things too.
I mean, I actually tend to workwith a lot of people who are
having spiritual awakenings, soreally confused, not know where

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to turn for.
That feels like, you know, lifeis falling apart and so what to
do.
So people will seek me out whodo that.
I have a lot of doctors,psychiatrists, nurses, people
who are literally in Westernmedicine in some way, who are
wanting to integrate a moreholistic approach there.

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They've kind of had anawakening themselves and they're
recognizing whoa.
There's more to this and I needsomebody who can maybe guide me
through this new perspectiveand write how to hold our
patients in a different way thanwe have been traditionally
taught.
And so you know, and it's notthat I even sought out to treat

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some of these people, but theyjust find me right and it seems
to be a way that we work.
So that's really beautiful.
And then I do think it's peoplewho just kind of have already

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done a lot of healing right.
There is certainly inherentvalue in those kind of
introductory methods ofpsychology and therapy and all
of that, a more expansiveconsciousness.
People tend to find me who wantto just kind of, you know,
expand this perception of theworld that they've been having.
That might be a little again,more limited, that might be, you
know, based on kind of you know, treating symptoms, and then

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they want to expand out and justexperience more in life, and so
that requires an expansion ofconsciousness and understanding
of just a greater perspective.
And, okay, how do we not justmanage this and have kind of a
good life, but how do we have areally great life and what does
that look like?
And who would I need to be?

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What identity shifts would Ineed to make in order to consume
that?
So in that regard, I also workwith a lot of people who are
like, really kind of excellent,have excelled in life and
business in many ways, but this,their spiritual self, or their
relational self, is reallystruggling, and so they're, you
know, maybe wildly successful in, in, you know, this particular

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area, but then they're reallylooking to now that they have,
you know, the ability to.
But then they're really lookingto, now that they have, you
know, the ability to do that inthe time, they're looking to
really kind of optimize theirlife and have it be a whole
experience for themselves.

Rose (07:55):
So, yeah, an overall balance of their experience.
You talked about spiritualawakening.
Yeah, what are some of thesymptoms and I'm air quoting
symptoms that people experienceand everybody's different, but
they're coming to you after aspiritual awakening.
What is?
What is that for them or forpeople?

Casey (08:10):
usually come during the spiritual awakening.
It's like initiated, right, andthen they're like what the heck
is happening?
My life I think the greatestkind of way I can conceptualize
it is my life as I knew it likekind of no longer exists.
Nothing seems to fit the people, the relationships, the way
that I see things, the way thatI feel.

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It's like and it's notsomething that most people don't
consciously seek out it right,comes through us, right, and
there's just a timing that Ibelieve our soul is like ready
to have this experience, and soit starts this initiation
process to, you know, endeavoron this, you know, just opening
consciousness, right, and so itreally will start to feel like

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you don't belong, like thepeople you know.
I mean, it can be all kinds ofthings, right, it can literally
be things falling apart aroundyou or inside of you, and you
just start to questioneverything.
And it feels like gosh, if Ilook around, like it doesn't
feel like I fit in this lifeanymore.
You know, these relationshipsdon't make sense.
I'm, you know, irritable, I'mhaving weird things happen to me

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, I don't quite understand whatthis is, and so it will really
feel like your old life doesn'tfit, and that's because it
doesn't, and so you know what,you know what's.
Those are kind of the signsthat something's happening and,
and you know, it can be thatyou're having mystical
experiences that feel maybe likeyou're crazy.
I have a lot of people who cometo me with those too.

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Right, it's like, you know, ifthey were to go to somebody in
Western medicine then they wouldbe, you know, diagnosed with
something you know that'sparanoid, or hearing things or
whatever, and it's like, well,there might actually be
something else going on there.
That is really refreshing, Ithink, because when they come to
me, I mean, certainly there canbe kind of psychotic type
things that can happen to peoplein balance and in different

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chemicals and chemicals andbiology of the system, but
oftentimes, more than not, it'sreally fascinating, like people
are really connecting to anotherrealm and they don't know how
to organize it, or it doesn'tmake sense to them, or they feel
crazy, or they've been toldthat they're crazy, and so it's
really like how do we kind ofpalpate whatever that is for

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them in that specific incidenceand understand what might be
going on?
Um, and is this something thatneeds a different kind of
balancing or treatment?
Um, in some kind of way, or isit that they just need to learn
how to channel that through in ameaningful way?
So, um, that's another you knowbunch of people that will come

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through and and you know it'sfortunate that they can find
that support that nobody's goingto.
You know, I'm not going tojudge them for that.

Rose (10:47):
I'm really going to try to understand with curiosity, like
what is going on with you andhow do we best channel it, and
so, yeah, it can be quiteuncomfortable if you don't know
what's going on, and I thinkthat people I mean, from my
experience, even people thathave experienced spiritual
awakenings you're always havingawakenings and we question like,

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okay, well, you know what?
What is it that we're feeling?
And sometimes it's even pain.
Have you experienced peopleexperiencing like physical pain
in their bodies?
Oh my God.

Casey (11:21):
Well, I myself do that, so I get a lot of my, you know.
I mean, we're all wireddifferently and this is why I'm
so fascinated just with how thiscomes through for each of us.
But for and and.
So you know, there's no onesize fits all for anything, I
don't believe.
But for me, how I experience itis incredibly somatically right
.
So I'm very clairsentient.

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I feel things in my body beforeand it could be like, you know,
somebody has a session, I reallyfeel like to.
When we start to connect withsomebody, we have an appointment
, like we already start to havethat connection that comes
through right.
So I could start feeling thingsin my body because it's just
the way that I imprint thingskind of the most intensely or

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the the on the kind of firstlevel.
It comes through my body first,and so I feel all kinds of
things right.
That then it's not until I'm inthe session the next day or
later that day or later thatweek or whatever it is, and I'm
like, oh, this is what that wasright, because I'm not.
And so then it can just kind ofmove through once we can
identify and acknowledge what itis and who it's for, and then

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we can move it really quickly,but, yeah, for, and a lot of
times that ends up being painand discomfort, and I see a lot
of people who experience it thatway too.

Rose (12:33):
Yeah, migraine, headaches, joint pain, different pains in
their bodies and they're.
It's almost as if this, somesort of energy, is moving
through their bodies and inhelping to create space for the
spiritual awakening that'sthat's coming.
That's kind of how I sense it.

Casey (12:49):
Absolutely.
They're just messages, right,like anything that's showing up
in your life, in or around you,is a message, and it's really an
opportunity to dive into that,to really greet it fully and to
welcome it.
And so often, right, ourtendency with pain or anything
that's uncomfortable is we wantto resist it, we want to, you

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know, push it away, we want tostop it.
But if you can welcome it inand just be fully with it, then
you can transmute it actuallypretty easily.
I mean this it's all justenergy, right, so we can move it
, as long as we can acknowledgeand really, you know, like,
greet it with curiosity and likewhat?
What is it that you're tryingto tell me?
What do I need to know here?
What's asking to be shift?
What message is coming throughand how do I start to work with

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those energies in a moreconscious way?

Rose (13:35):
What are some of the common struggles people come to
with?
Is it overcoming a particularemotion, or maybe working with
trauma or chronic painrelationships?
Is there something that ismaybe I don't want to say the
word trending, that's the wrongword but something more common?
Now that you're working withespecially women, I want to
focus on women because that's mybig audience, on women Because

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that's my big audience.

Casey (13:58):
Oh, okay, it, you know honestly in this.
You know may seem like a sillyanswer, but it's really anything
.
And the difference is becausethere's no problem or challenge,
that I mean we, you know wecertainly have common human
experiences, that we havechallenges and right
relationship or work or money orhealth or you know, kind of all
the basic ones that are areasof our life that matter to us

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and kind of our spiritual selfis a huge one for me, right,
because I work with people inthat way.
But I would say really thedistinction or the
differentiation is any problem.
I really kind of take peoplefrom what is kind of the
traditional.
I think I really kind of takepeople from what is kind of the
traditional, I think, just wayof society and our culture to

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approach things really and getstuck in a victim mindset.
And people that work with me arenot living in a victim mindset.
They might have challenge in aparticular area, but they're
truly open, they truly want totransform.
This isn't something that youwant to come and just be coddled
by me, because I'm really notinterested in doing that kind of
work with people.
We're not just going to kind of, you know, kick the can down

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the road and treat the symptomsand talk about our feelings Like
I want people to transform.
So I don't care what yourproblem it could be the most
extreme problem that you'rehaving.
You could be suicidal.
If you come to me and you reallywant to understand it from a
higher perspective, then that'swhat we're going to do.
Right, we are going to reallyget into the depth of it.
People come to me when theyreally want to be, they're ready

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to be challenged and, like,truly have an identity awakening
, right, truly understand.
That's kind of really a lot ofwhat I do is I'll kind of get
into the nitty gritty of justlike, what is, what is the
limitation?
Right, where are youconstrained in your life and how
do we remove those constraintsso you can be free in whatever

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way you want to be free.
It doesn't matter what it is.
Whatever the obstacle is, wecan get there as long as you're
open to kind of looking fromthis higher perspective, and so
I would say that's a distinction, yeah.

Rose (16:05):
But in people sometimes may not be aware of what they
are.
They could be going through athing I'm like they don't know,
right, and they come to you andyou can help guide that impact
or peel back the layers andfigure out what the root cause,
because we want to get to thatroot cause and you have to do
the work, right.
So what I'm hearing yourmessage.
You're saying you work with me,we're going to work, we're

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going to work, yeah, yeah, andwe're going to, we're going to
figure it out.

Casey (16:29):
Yeah, it's, it's not easy , but, man, it will really shift
you.
If you're ready for that andyou truly are a match for that,
you want it then.
And sometimes that's deep, longwork, right, I mean it may not
be this magical, you know fix,but it really is truly.
The people who come to me aredeeply invested in wanting to
change, and so they do.

Rose (16:52):
Nice.
Yeah, it's definitely work.
I think we've all been there.
Yeah, I went on your websiteand I and I looked at everything
that are your credentials andyou know so much.
So did you start to learn someof these metaphysical tools
before you became more of atraditional psychotherapist and

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then decided that you you knowbecause I was just curious, like
what came first?

Casey (17:18):
Yeah, well, I think it was always in me.
So I really have this kind ofintuitive, mystical side that
honestly like happens to all ofus.
For the first kind of half ofmy life it was really repressed,
right.
I mean you just kind of detachfrom those gifts and those tools
and you don't put any consciousawareness on it.
And so I always had a curiosity, right.
I mean I always kind of almostlike talk about my life in two

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sections, because there was mylife before the awakening and
then after, and you know it wasgoing to happen no matter what.
But I think I always had very.
I mean, you know you can talkto my, my mom and she would tell
you just stories of how I hadthese intuitions or how you know
, just I think there was a giftthat was there all along.

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But then we separate from thatjust with conditioning of the
world.
And so I did that.
I mean I had a very kind ofnormal life where I, you know,
was married and had just atotally.
I worked in a totally differentfield and just my life was just
, you know, your average life,right, but I wasn't really

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focused on my spiritual self andI did.
I mean I would go here andthere, I'd go to a psychic or a
tarot reader, some class on this, and and my grams was very
spiritual, my mom's mom, so thatkind of maternal line.
There's a lot of kind of justkind of curiosity and intuition
and psychic ability and there'sa lot of that on that maternal
side for me.
And so I was curious about it,but I never really invested in

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it in a meaningful way until mylife fell apart and the
awakening happened really kindof during my Saturn return type
years, years, and you know itwas like there's no option other
than to.
I mean, sure I could kind oflike sink down into a pit and
feel miserable and victimized byall of this, or what I
recognized.
My orientation was at that timeand this is before I was a

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therapist, this is before I wentand studied.
Any of this is what I noticed.
The type of help that I startedseeking during that time was
people who had similar like Ihappened to find a therapist who
had credentials, like mine arenow, but at that time, you know,
I was just, you know, obviouslyfound her for a reason and she
had both this clinical, becausethere is this real kind of

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practical side to me that wantsto have all of this knowledge
kind of grounded in this presentday earth and I like to
critically think about thingsand I want to be grounded and
practical in that.
And she was also very kind ofpsychic and mystical herself,
and so it was very healing forme when I was going through this
like absolute, you know,descent into my you know into

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the shadows, right.
I really loved that I hadsomebody who could hold both
parts of me and then eventuallyand it wasn't immediately I was
like oh, wow, I think I need to,I want to do this work too, but
I want to do it in my own way.
And so it kind of I mean, it's,you know, to answer your
question it's like I, it wasalways there, but I wasn't
investing in it.
And I would dapple in it, butnot too heavily, and like

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anybody, we don't really startto invest in these things until
we have suffering in our life,Right.
And so the suffering initiatedmy kind of investment in like
wow, I haven't really bolsteredup this part of myself.
That's actually like prettysignificant and maybe, I would
argue, the biggest, mostimportant part of who I am now,

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my spiritual self.
And so then I just startedinvesting more and at that time,
because everything as I knew ithad to, you know, was raised to
the ground and had to berebuilt my career, my
relationship, just everything.
And so I was just seeking.
I was really really hungry andseeking, and so I went back to

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school to do my studies, but Ialso just started, I was just
hungry, to consume, like, okay,well, who is my spiritual self?
I don't want to copy anybodyelse.
I really it needs to resonateand land like how does this move
through me?
And the only way that it'sgoing to be real and authentic
for me is if I really get intouch with what that is.

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So I studied, you know, with alot of people, even things that
aren't listed on my website.
I just really invested gosh, somuch.
I mean it hasn't stopped really.
I mean I still kind of amexploring all of that, but you
just kind of sample it and thenyou recognize, hmm, is that for
me?
Is, does that resonate?
There's beauty in everything,but not everything really
resonates with us and our kindof unique blueprint.

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And so I was just on a quest tokind of figure out what is that
blueprint for me because I don'twant to just practice
traditionally.
I know I want to integrate thisother half, but I have to
figure out who and what that is.
And I will say, of all thestudies that I've done, what
really informs whether they'reholistic or ancient or Eastern
or Western or any of those whatinforms who I am and how I

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practice the most is really justme really tapping into my true
self, my life experiences thatI've had and the way that
intuition moves through me, andI think that's really when
people work with me.
That's what they're getting,you know, the most of.
That's what they're getting.
The best of is just thatversion of me that you know.
Ultimately, kind of, was thisjourney to discover?

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But once you click into it it'slike, oh, wow, that's the juicy
fruit, right?

Rose (22:37):
Yeah, I love that you shared all that, because I think
that's important, because I'msure there are a lot of people
out there that have experiencedsimpler things, but they don't
embrace it, and you were verycurious and you started to learn
more and more and more.
People can be skeptical andpeople can be afraid, so by you
sharing that, I think that youI'm sure that you'll inspire
others to do the same, and Ilove that.

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And also the fact that youpractice some traditional
psychotherapy.
May people that are skepticalmay say that well, okay, well,
she knows that part too, so shehad.
You know, you have Casey hasthat, and now I feel safe in
that and that, like you hadsomeone holding your hands or
holding your space for both ofthem, you do the same and I, and

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I just love that.
Um, because there's a lot ofinformation out there that
people don't understand, and Iwanted to talk to actually about
something that you practice, uhin.
Uh is polyvagal theory, andthat's kind of a new thing,
right.
So I want to talk more aboutsome of the, the tools that you
use.
Can you talk about what?
What that is, polyvagal theoryor poly?

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Yeah, I guess that's it.
That's polyvagal theory, right.

Casey (23:46):
Yeah, well, it's really understanding again, this like
this harmony between all systemsof our being, right, and so we
are not separate.
All things are connected, alllayers of our, you know, our,
our um, biological self, ourhuman body, right, is not
separate from our emotional selfor our mental self or our
spiritual self.
They're all connected andcommunicating at all times,

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right.
And so what polyvagal theory,right, really kind of touches
down on so much.
That has kind of become thecraze of just really
understanding somatics, right,it's like all of this data is
stored, it's imprinted in oursomatic self, our biology, our
physicalatics, right, it's likeall of this data is stored, it's
imprinted in our somatic self,our biology, our physical body,
right, and so it and this is thedensest level, right,
everything else, kind of, as youtravel up, you know it's

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getting lighter, right, it'sless dense.
You know material, right, andwe're kind of moving into, you
know, more of the energetics onall of those, and so we can
shift them faster.
But on our biology, which iswhere all of this data is stored
somatically in the body, it'sreally understanding.
Well, what system is in placethat's informing that?

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And so really understandingthen, okay, well, that's our
nervous system and what connectsour nervous system?
Well, there is this vagus nerveright that communicates between
our brain and all the organs inour body and travels, and
really so much of that.
Then communication highwayreally lives in this vagus nerve
.
And so to understand that thevagus nerve again is

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communicating and all of thisstuff that is maybe on, you know
, like the mental plane or thespiritual plane or the emotional
plane, that that allcommunicates and transcends
through this, this highway right, and it's stored in the body.
And so we, and we want to makeanything that we do grounded
right, like if we're just livingtoo much up in the ethers or

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we're noticing that we're stuckin our mental plane or we're
noticing we're stuck in ouremotional plane.
It's like how do we integrateall of those?
Because, no matter what theyreally do, imprint down into the
body to if ignored, if we'renot understanding the kind of

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synthesis between all of theseparts and we're not kind of
consciously tending to alllayers of our being, but
especially that's how we move itright, if it's really feel
stuck or if it's, by the way,been like complex or compounded
and compressed into the body,which is where we start to show
up and have disease, where thebody is expressing kind of with
different disorders or diseases,it's like, okay, well, that

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started somewhere else and wehave to identify what the root
of that is.
But polyvagal theory, right,connects all.
It's this information highway,that's just that is
unconsciously working for us atall times, right, and so really
understanding that ifsomething's feeling out of
balance or we want to shift it,then polyvagal theory is really

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beautiful at coming up withexercises and really tending to
that somatic self, right.
And so there's lots ofexercises that we can do to kind
of start to calm.
And so sometimes, to your pointearlier about the body, it's
like sometimes our body isreally expressing and it's
really some dense matter that'sup here, maybe on the, you know,
spiritual plane or the mentalplane or the emotional plane,

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but it's trapped now in the bodyand the body's in so much pain
that we can't really accessthese other parts, right.
And so how do we start to bringthose together to quiet the
body, to quiet the nervoussystem, to quiet the vagus nerve
, literally that's connectingall of these parts, and bring
those back into balance, becausesometimes there's these layers
that we have to peel back inorder to get to the deep place

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that we really need to go inorder to do the healing.
And so polyvagal theory isreally brilliant, because it's
really understanding thisconnection between all things.
And then it's telling usunderstanding this connection
between all things, and thenit's telling us, hey, there's
some really specific tools thatyou can utilize somatically in
order to get you back intobalance, into this homeostasis,
right into this kind of ventral,vagal state that we all want to

(27:52):
live in, so that we can then dobe the people that we want to
be.
Then we can reach and accessthese parts that will allow us
to progress other layers of ourhealing or other just kind of
not even focused on healing.
Right, if you just want to belife and not be dysregulated,
right, there's a window oftolerance that we all have, and
when we get dysregulated in ournervous system, window of

(28:14):
tolerance shrinks and it's it'sit's much smaller.
And so traumatic events, complextrauma, not regulating our
nervous system, not beingconscious that it's not even
regulated, we don't evenunderstand what we, you know, we
don't know what we don't knowabout our dysregulation.
And so it's one way tosomatically communicate calming
down the nervous system, calmingdown the body, so that we can

(28:36):
get back to this kind of what insomatics and polyvagal theory
they call the ventral vagalsystem.
Right, which is all is well.
I'm not dysregulated, I canlook at you in the eye, I can
laugh, I can reach access, joyand levity and love and just all
of the healthy expression, thehigher expression of our

(28:57):
emotions and our state that wewant to live in.
Right, and so it's a scientific, studied way that they connect
in the biology, how there arepatterns there that we can
disrupt in order to get backinto regulation.

Rose (29:14):
Essentially, yeah, wow.
So can you share with us likean example of a somatic or
movement or an exercise?

Casey (29:24):
Yeah.

Rose (29:25):
So people have an understanding of what you're
talking about.

Casey (29:30):
So first step is you would want to notice, okay, am I
dysregulated?
And how do you notice?
It's like, however it is foryou.
Sometimes we internalize that,sometimes it's external, if you
notice that you're kind of outof your center, you're not calm,
you're not regulated, you'restressed, you're irritable,
you're snapping your body's in alot of pain.
There's lots of signs andhowever that typically expresses

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for you, it could be thatyou're getting migraines.
Right, that's actually one thatI get a lot, and so it's really
recognizing wow, a lot.
And so it's really recognizingwow, my system is out of balance
here, I'm dysregulated.
So what do I need?
And it's really kind of calmingdown, getting to a place where
you can kind of remove all ofthose distractions if possible.

(30:12):
Getting to a quiet space.
Sitting in a dark room, sittingin your bedroom, sitting on the
floor, whatever you need towalking outside and there's lots
of bilateral stimulation, isreally a great one.
So a really easy one is you cantake these kind of butterfly
hands, you interlace and you cansee that there's this crossing
of the hemispheres of the brainand so anytime our body does

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that, there's lots of ways thatwe can cross and you can do it
with jumping, you can just moveyour body, you can do it with
your eyes.
There's lots of wonderful waysto access this bilateral
stimulation, which also justmight mean, right, what we're
doing is we're recognizing, okay, the hemispheres of my brain do
different things.
And if I call it beingscrambled, if I feel a little in

(30:58):
energy psychology right, Ithink of it that way, right,
it's just, it's another way thatkind of accesses that.
But the I call it, when ourbrain gets a little scrambled,
and I'll notice it myself it'slike if I can't find my words,
or if I'm kind of stumbling overmy words, can't think straight,
or I can't access, well,probably the hemispheres of your
brain are not balanced andthey've just, for whatever

(31:19):
reason, they've just gotten outof balance, right, and probably
because you're dysregulated,probably because there's some
disruption of some type, and sowhen you notice that you're
scrambled or irritable or any ofthose things, what we need is
to cross the hemispheres of thebrain.
So, going back to our butterfly, you can interlace your fingers
and just kind of slowly bringyourself back right.
This is one.

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If you're kind of slumped intoa dorsal vagal, so, um, dorsal
vagal and polyvagal is really,when we've gone into.
We're all kind of familiar withthe fight flight, freeze right.
So dorsal vagal is when we'vegone into um, into free state
right, and so we want to umrecognize that we've entered

(32:00):
into this free state.
And so if we're laying thereand we're frozen and our mind is
moving a million miles andwe're saying, oh, you're so
awful, you ought to be doingthis, why aren't you up?
Why aren't you working out?
Why aren't you cleaning thebathroom?
Why aren't you doing whatever?
Oh, I'm so hopeless, it's sohelpless.
I'm a loser, whatever it isthat we do, loser, whatever it
is that we do.

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And so we actually just want toslowly bring back some movement.
And this is a way.
You could be laying in your bedfeeling depressed, you could be
totally sluggish, you could bejust stuck, and this kind of
bilateral stimulation where wejust kind of slowly,
intermittently, tap each side.
What that's doing is it'smobilizing our energy, and so
it's also really recognizing inpolyvagal theory, what state are

(32:41):
you in right, and are you in aplace where you need to mobilize
energy because you're in freezeright, and so if we're in that,
then we just kind of need toslowly bring some movement back,
or are you in a state thatyou're hyper mobilized right,
you're in fight or flight andyou actually need to calm the

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energy down right, so you needto bring more grounding and more
stillness, and so exerciseswould be different in polyvagal,
dependent on what that is.
So if you're kind of in thisfreeze, this is a great one,
right, because this doesn'trequire a lot of effort or
energy.
You can start to mobilize, youcan breathe as you do it.
A lot of it's also rememberingthat our vagus nerve again, it
connects our brain and all ofour organs down through our

(33:27):
central nervous system, right,and so if we're dysregulated,
we're in a state of fight orflight and we want to get back
to rest and digest right, and soit's really understanding the
autonomic nervous system andagain, all of these things.
And there's just differentlanguage and sometimes the
scientific language isn't soimportant to understand, but
that's why I use this languagearound mobilizing versus

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immobilizing energy.
And so another one, if you'rejust really dysregulated, is
humming.
So you can just hum, hum, andjust do that slowly at whatever
pace you want, but like it'sbringing vibration through the
nerve that connects all things.
And so if these two parts havebeen dysregulated or fragmented,

(34:11):
or then.
Then you know, humming is agreat way to do that, this kind
of bilateral stimulation, buttapping is a great way to do
that.
There's a breath.
How about the?

Rose (34:22):
breath.

Casey (34:24):
Yeah, I mean absolutely so.
Just, you know, whatever kindof breath work would I mean?
You think about.
It's like how do I connect?
How am I really?
Obviously your breath is movingthrough your you know nose and
your mouth right down, but howdeeply is it moving Right?
And so if you think about thisnerve that that runs literally

(34:44):
through, like this, this centerchannel of you and kind of
spreads out in this way toconnect everything, ok, well,
how can I even put my intentionon this this nerve Right that's
connecting in you the brainstemthat goes all the way through
all of that right and then comesdown through your spine and
connects to all of your organsand into this kind of system

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that we want to activate, whichis the rest and digest.
It's really great because youcan also start noticing I don't
know if you've probably in yourpractice right with yoga or any
of these practices that you'redoing it's like when you start
to notice that you like, justare tense, your muscles are
tight, you're holding, you'renot.
You can literally hear I'll bein a like a craniosacral

(35:29):
treatment or I'm doing some ofthese polyvagal exercises, and
you'll notice your stomachstarts to gurgle a little bit.
Yes, yes, like great, that's areally good sign because, guess
what?
You just shifted your state andso, whether you're receiving
whatever practice, if it'sQigong or any of those things,
right, it's like okay when youstart to notice that that

(35:49):
movement is happening in yourbelly and you put your active
attention, if it's just breathwork and you're just really
concentrating, it's like well,am I shallow breathing or can I
breathe all the way down into mybelly and really intend to
connect all the layers of whatthat vagus nerve would be, if
you can imagine what it is, andsometimes you can even close

(36:10):
your eyes and like go insideyourself and track the energy
and trace where that vagus nervetravels inside your body and
then just notice, wow, is thisconnecting?
Is this left side a littleblocked?
Is this right side a littledisconnected?
Am I only going up to my highheart and I'm not really
connecting with my breath?
Well then, I'm definitely notreally in the full life force of

(36:33):
that vagus nerve.
And so, putting your attentionon that and just intending and
staying with it until it feelslike it has been completely
achieved, right, until you havecompletely reached and accessed
all parts of that, and it's like, okay, well, now we've just
turned on our vitality and soit's looking for the signs of
that that that's happening.
But really another really greatone is these eye exercises that

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we can do right, which arereally recognizing.
Again, there's this bilateralstimulation, so you can keep
your nose pointing forward, andthere's lots of ways it's like
you can take.
Here's a great way to do itthat kind of integrates both the
body and the breath and we cankind of fully integrate the
exercises.
You take your hands like thisand you weave them together.
Okay, well, there's bilateralstimulation.
That's going on here, and now Itake it and I put it behind my

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head and I look up and I breathefrom that place.
There's a lot that's happeningin your nervous system and with
your vagus nerve specificallywhen we do these exercises, and
so just kind of breathing, andthen you can turn your head
either way and breathe throughit, and you'll notice that.
And there's another one,another exercise I can give you

(37:42):
in a second that has to do withthis.
But you'll notice that if youdo this and then you just
breathe, eventually you reach apoint and this is how you know
that you've completed it and itactually doesn't take that long
is, you'll have some kind oflike release of energy, similar
to the gurgling in the stomach.
Your breath, you might do asigh, you might do a deep breath
, you might kind of just reallyfully exhale more deeply than

(38:04):
you have.
It's something like that allthe time, but the state, the
energy, and it's subtle, but itshifts, and it's not just subtle
because it actually is quitepowerful.
It's like wow, you have justdownregulated your nervous
system, you've done it right andit just can take these simple
exercises that you can do.
Another one is you can sit and Ican look head on and then I can

(38:25):
keep my nose straight, but Iturn my eyes and simply doing
that, you can do it while you dothe interchanging of your, but
you just hold your eyes in onedirection and I just tell myself
, okay, I'm gonna keep my nosestraight, but I'm going to keep
my nose straight, but I'm goingto look my eyes as far as I

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possibly can Like, if I want toimagine looking at my ear, and I
just breathe while I do it andI stay in one direction until I
feel that sigh or that release.
And it always happens and itmight take a little longer if
you haven't practiced or haven'tdone it for a while, or you're
really dysregulated, but italways happens, and so then
you'll just feel it shifts, andthen you come back to center and
then you go the other way andthen see it already starts
happening Just when my it's justautomatic that you can really

(39:09):
downregulate nerve system, andso these are all somatic
exercises that help us to getback to that state.
And then you come back and thenyou notice, hmm, how, you know,
how do I feel?
Am I completely changed?
Well, another one then is afteryou've done that, then you can
take your head and you can turnit as far to the right, the
first direction again, whateverdirection that was for you can

(39:30):
turn it as far.
And then you take your eyesbeyond that and then you try to
look behind yourself and youmight even notice I noticed this
in my body I tend to carry alot of tension, kind of in my
you know, shoulders, yeah, head,neck, shoulders for me as a
huge one, so you'll even notice,like, how far can you turn?
And Ooh, wow, my shoulder overon that side is really tense.
And it's amazing when you dothis and you just notice, you

(39:54):
observe, you don't judge it.
You're not like, oh shit, my,you know right, it really hurts,
or whatever.
But you just kind of notice ohwow, this is my range of motion.
I'm noticing a little tensionhere.
Wow, it's a little tweaked.
Okay, that's as far as I can go.
And then you do the same thing,your eyes look back until you
get that release, that sigh, andthe more you do it, the faster

(40:14):
it happens for you.
And then you go the other wayand then you notice the same
thing, and then you wait for therelease and you hold your eyes
and you notice what tension doyou feel?
And sometimes they're different, right, Because we can be out
of balance or twisted, or youknow these common patterns that
can happen to us.
And then you come back and younotice okay, how do I feel?
You take a few breaths and thenyou do it again.
And when you do it the secondtime, what you will notice is

(40:37):
shocking is, if you are somebodywho holds tension in your body
somewhere, it's probablydissolved and it might not be
completely gone, but I promiseyou it will be reduced.
It's amazing.
It's amazing how it works right.
And so then you just kind ofnotice like, oh wow, I can turn
my neck farther.
Oh, wow, that I had.
That felt like a, you know,level seven.

(40:58):
It's like a level three now,and you can just do this as long
as you need until you can bringyourself down and taking the
time to do this.
How does that then, you know,replicate into our lives that if
I get myself to a regulatedstate, and the more often that I
do that, and my ability to kindof observe what simple
practical tools are that I canaccess to get myself there, well

(41:22):
then I'm living from that statemore often, and then when I get
out of it, I recognize when I'mout of it, and then I know
exactly how to get myself backinto balance.
And so then, how am I differentfor the world?
How am I different from myrelationships?
How am I able to moreconsciously access Because
that's the other thing too isyou think about just the parts
of the brain right, when we'redysregulated, our amygdala is
firing and we're not in controlof that right.

(41:44):
It's an automatic survivalmechanism where we disconnect
from our prefrontal cortex andwe're not able to access our
rational, conscious thinkinganymore, and so that's a really
huge distinction.
Again, the vagus nerve connectsall of these parts.
And so how do we reallyrecognize that?
Doing some simple exercises, ifthat's the way that you want to

(42:06):
access, but it's a reallysimple, practical way to do it
that it will allow me to getback into the part of my brain
that can reason, that can thinkwith consciousness, that isn't
in survival mode, because we arenot who we are when we're in
survival mode.
That's just a part of us tryingto help us survive and it's
useful and it's valuable, right,that it's there.

(42:28):
It's there for a reason, but sooften, especially in this day
and age, right, we're triggeredby everything and we're
dysregulated, we're not bringingourselves back, and there's so
many stressors and there's somany things working against us
that we have to reallyconsciously work to bring
ourselves out of that state,because so much, so many of us
are just living in a constantstate of survival and we don't
even know it.

Rose (42:49):
But these are exercises that anybody can do, like you
can wait, you don't have to getout of bed, you can start doing
them in the morning.
You don't have to wait untilsomething happens.
You can just make them aregular part of your routine and
then they start to kick in alittle quicker, like you'll know
if you'll start to be moreaware of what's happening in the
body as well.
I think that's the mostimportant thing.

(43:09):
A lot of people I'm not sayinga lot of people, I'm just saying
people can be verydisassociated from their body,
right, people that haveexperienced trauma or anybody,
and then they don't know what'shappening.
But if you practice thesethings or if you become more in
tune, more somatic, more aware,then you can do the practices

(43:32):
right away and you know what'sgoing on.
It's really important.

Casey (43:35):
Yeah, they're free, they're accessible, they're
available to anybody.
Yeah, they're free, they'reaccessible, they're available to
anybody.
It really just requires yourawareness and then your
discipline to, and your desireright to put yourself back into
a state where you know you aresomebody that you would want to
be around and you are.
You are, you know, bringingthat peace.
You're bringing kind of yourconscious highest self to any

(43:59):
situation and circumstance thatyou're in, and if you bring that
version of yourself, well thenhow could you not succeed?

Rose (44:05):
Right, yeah, how you get better relationships, you have a
better life, you make betterchoices, you see things with
more clarity.
All the good things, all thegood things, all the good things
.
This is fantastic.
What about any other tools thatyou use in your practice, if

(44:26):
you want to talk about anythingelse that you provide as
specifically talk that you wantto highlight?

Casey (44:38):
Oh, I mean, it really is.
I, you know, I don't know, it'sthis kind of to your point
earlier.
It's like this psychology andthe clinical framework is a
great foundation and theneverything else just kind of
builds on that.
And I don't know that I wouldsay anything specific, right,
because it is just sort of thisamalgam of all of the things
that I feel like are just kindof floating around in there.
And what I do is I really, youknow, believe that we are so

(44:59):
psycho individual, and so when Imeet with somebody, I'm really
just truly connecting with theirenergy.
When I meet, whether it's acouple or a family or an
individual, right, I'm trulyconnecting with their energy.
And it is a way that it justkind of sorts and and I'm an
organizer in that way, right,it's sort of second nature to me
at this at this point.
So any of those trainings, it'slike they're all swimming

(45:20):
around in there somewhere andI'm the amalgam of all of that.
And then when I meet with you,what seems to kind of channel
through is whatever you mostneed in that moment, and so I,
and I don't tend to like, ohokay, well, I studied this, and
so here we go, we're doing thistheory and it's it's I don't
really tend to do.
It's like if you meet with me,you're probably going to get

(45:41):
again just the, the whole buffetof everything that's available
and whatever you specificallyneed in any given moment.
And I don't even slow down toconsciously think anymore
Because, again, it's prettysecond nature, it's just like I
mean, of course I know if I, ifI do, but just like, what's
what's needed here right now?
What do you need?
And that's what we're going todo.
And so sometimes that's, youknow, kind of more shamanic,

(46:03):
unconscious work.
Sometimes it's more of ameditation, so sometimes it's
really a deeper descent into thesubconscious, sometimes it's
healing work, sometimes it'senergy work, sometimes it's, you
know, psychoeducation,sometimes it's exercises.
It's really identifying what isit that's needed here, and then

(46:26):
it's all available to you ofwhat you need in that moment so
that we can shift you to whereyou need to be, to peel back the
layers right, so that we canget to that kind of more
ascendant state that we all youknow want to live in.

Rose (46:38):
Yeah, Beautiful.
Now we talked earlier that itis work.
When someone comes to you, youdo guide them and you and you
work together.
What markers of progress do youlook for when working with
clients using your combinedmodalities?

Casey (46:54):
It's really funny I would .
So I don't tend to really lovea lot of that.
Even in psychology, you know,it's like all this very you know
quantitative box.
Yeah, it's quantitative, it'slinear, it's like, okay, here
are the steps and we follow thesteps.
I'm not like that at all.
There's no steps in what I do.
It's really qualitative.
And so for me, I want people tohave a felt sense and I can feel

(47:17):
it right in my body again,because all this kind of comes
through.
When I'm working with you, Ibecome this real mirror.
We're in a container.
I can feel things shifting, andso can people.
This is another thing thathappens a lot when I work is
which I've talked about before,but it just is kind of on trend
with all of this is, you know,when we're having a release or a

(47:38):
shift of states, we yawn, weburp, we sneeze, we have like a
release again.
It can be a sigh, it can be anyof these things, and so one of
the ways that is kind of coolthat that comes through and I've
noticed other people have thisas well, or people that work
with me will tend to start doingit as well is, if I'm working
with you and we're shiftingsomething.
I'll start burping or yawning alot, which you know might seem

(48:00):
kind of weird, but it's just theway that I am getting
confirmation which, hopefullyyou can see, kind of answers
your question a little bit.
It's like I'm gettingconfirmation that we're number
one on the right track, butwe're also shifting your state.
We're moving the energy insideyour field, inside your body,
inside whatever layer you knowthat we're accessing, and so
it's a really great confirmationfor me.

(48:21):
It could be we were justtalking and all of a sudden I'm
just like you know, burping,like and I don't mean like
belching, but I mean you knowit's kind of crazy right.

Rose (48:29):
It's all energy.
It's the language of energy.
It's the language of energy.

Casey (48:34):
And it's just how I know I can track it, because I can
feel we're shifting things, andsometimes we've got to shift
thousands of things right inorder to really get to a deeper
place.
So sometimes it's subtle, butthat's one real clear indication
for me.
But another one is just thiskind of more qualitative
approach to, you know,psychology or healing or any of
it, which is really a felt sense.

(48:55):
Sometimes it's like I'll havepeople tell me this too, and
sometimes it's the men who willsay this, because they they're
more linear, right, they need tokind of measure things more
than women do.
But you know, all of us can beanything, but you know they'll
say to me something like youknow, I just didn't really seem
like I didn't really knowexactly what we were doing, I
mean.
But all of a sudden I noticed Ijust felt better and it was

(49:19):
just different and I was just adifferent.
It was a slow but sure likedifference and I'm just
transformed.
And sometimes it's more dramatic, right, it's more radical where
it's like whoa, that's justlike night and day.
But generally when you work withme it is this kind of subtle
shift that isn't even anythingthat you could exactly put your
finger on one thing.
I mean you probably could if youreally thought about it, but

(49:41):
it's like, it's just like thisgradual transformation that
happens and you are kind ofqualitatively different, the
felt sense you like you haveshifted who you are and so, and
that kind of qualitativelydifferent, the felt sense you
like you have shifted who youare and so, and that kind of
transformation.
Right, we're not typicallylooking just to move one thing,
we're looking to transformbecause all things are right.
So it's usually this whole kindof I don't know complex web of

(50:06):
things that need to be untangledright, and because, you know,
it's not ever just one thingthat's needs to be changed, it's
all interwoven.
And so it's this, this web thatwe unweave and it's like, oh,
wow, I'm just noticing, like youknow, wow, like this is totally
different, or that problem justisn't in my life anymore, and

(50:26):
it's not even one moment thatyou can point to like, wow, that
was just different, but it justhappened and you were, you know
less of this and more of that,and it feels pretty good, it
feels pretty light, we'rereaching the higher states that
we want to.
So I hope that answers yourquestion.

Rose (50:40):
I know it's perfect, perfect answer because people
have a certain expectation whenthey work with someone.
They're like, okay, well, I'mgoing to leave this session
feeling a certain way.
And it's not that way.
It's you evolve and you havesubtle changes, and you may not
even know what those changes are, but they're there and I think
what you said is perfect Becauseyou know, you, you everyone's

(51:09):
experiences are different.

Casey (51:10):
And it's not an overnight thing, and it's not a quick fix
.

Rose (51:16):
And yeah it is.
Then then run, you know, yeah,know, yeah, right, exactly so.
So I think that was a perfect.
You know, and I've worked witha lot of people too and you know
they expect something to happen, but they're, and for the first
time or second time, but you'rejust starting to become aware
of your energy and and how yourespond to this type of work.
So it takes time, right.
So that was perfect and I'mglad I asked because that was a

(51:38):
wonderful, beautiful answer.
Is there anything else youwould like to add before we end
the interview?

Casey (51:49):
I just know.
I mean, I think, if you know, Iwelcome, I love having chats
with people like you who arealso doing this really worthy
work to give people access tojust other people who might come
from a different angle or offera new thing.
And you know, it's not just onesize fits all or there's no one
person or one approach whoshould be the end, all be all.

(52:11):
Really it's.
There's no one person or oneapproach who should be the end,
all be all.
Really it's it's.
I love to have these chats,really to just bring awareness
and also direct people to otherways of doing things and to open
up so that we can really beheld in a community.
And if it's your desire to workand heal and transform in this
way which is not a small thingright, it takes a community to
be held.

(52:31):
It takes all the right people.
I know for me I can't point toany one thing that has led me to
be where I am or how I'vetransformed and healed.
It's really kind of thiscombination of being held in so
many ways and, you know, tappinginto what's really true for you
and so what resonates with you,because we're also

(52:52):
bio-individual, also psychoindividual.
We all need different things andthere's different layers and
different parts, and so, ifthat's something you're seeking,
right, I really just want tooffer the access and the
availability for people to knowwhat is available to them and
and here are some offerings thatmight work for you and so just

(53:15):
really trust your intuition andlisten to what is expanding you
and moving you along on thatpath, if that's where you desire
to go, because sometimes it canbe hard to find you know,
people with integrity who reallycan hold you in that way or
ways that really will resonatewith you, and so that's really
why I do.
It is just like pay attentionto what it feels like, and it

(53:37):
should always be expanding you,even if that expansion, right is
, is a challenge at times.
You really want to listen, youknow, learn to listen to those
kind of quiet messages and moveinto something that is expanding
you in a good way.

Rose (53:53):
Beautiful and I know you offer free guided meditation on
your website, shrinkbiggercom.
I'll put all the links in theshow notes.
And you do work with peopleindividually and you also group,
because you said you all, youwork with families or couples.
So there's different ways thatyou work with people or groups
of people.
So I encourage everyone tocheck out Casey's website and

(54:17):
her offerings.
I think this is it's just beenmagical.
I enjoy, truly enjoyed,listening to you and learning
more about polyvagal theory.
I'm going to incorporate someof these exercises in my yoga
class that I teach as well, moreand more theory.
I'm going to incorporate someof these exercises in my yoga
class that I teach as well, moreand more, because I think I

(54:38):
think it's important tointroduce right to, to get the
information out there, tointroduce people to to all kinds
of new theories.
Even though this is not new,it's it's kind of new yeah, 1994
.
Yeah.

Casey (54:50):
Yeah, in the scheme of things, it's, it's newer Right,
and I think somatics have reallykind of I mean even all of this
spiritual holistic, all of it.
It's like when I startedpracticing it was like, okay,
you know, you have to be careful, I don't want, you know, people
to judge this or whatever, butit's all of this has really kind
of opened up a lot and sopeople are more receptive.

(55:10):
But yeah, you know, in thescheme of things it's, it's
newish, so it's it's reallybrilliant and right on track
with kind of somatics and traumaand and helping us to
understand.

Rose (55:19):
Well, thank you for being here today.
I really appreciate it.

Casey (55:22):
Thank you for having me, Rose.

Rose (55:26):
Thank you for joining me on Chat Off The Mat.
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