October 21, 2024 • 56 mins
It's time for another Spook-Tacular as we hit the spooky season again. For the first time Aaron gets to take us through a haunting tale, literally! This week Aaron takes John and producer Sean through the tale of the Bell Witch, one of North America's most spooky hauntings. Prepare to think every bump in the night is a spooky ghoul! Find the video version on Youtube! https://www.youtube.com/@CheekyTalesPod
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(00:00):
On this spooky Halloween edition
of Cheeky Tales,we're diving into a haunting.
And for once, it'snot John that you have to hear
prattling onabout some ghostly apparition.
That's right,
as we've been talking aboutfor months now,
I get to do a Halloween special.
And I'll be coveringthe story of a family
stalked for yearsby an entity capable of speech,
(00:21):
moving stuffaround and shapeshifting.
Starting in 1817,the family would be tormented
by apparitions, noises,
attacks, and ultimately death.
Coming to you
straight from thehistory of Tennessee,
this is the story of the BellWitch of Adams.
(00:51):
Welcome to spooky
spectacular number three.
On our third one. Yep.
So spooky.
Well, it's purple in this room,and we're wearing orange.
The official colors of spookvember.
I mean, spook tober.
Man. I'm spooky.
Yeah. Messed it up already.
That'snot even the right moment.
(01:11):
Straight to spooky.
Oh, this is why I've done thata couple of times.
Spooky jail. Straight to spooky.Spooky.
And I pulled out my headphoneheadphones.
I to start now.
J o j I l o g o I
goal o.
Cuz in Australia it's Joe G.
Well, it is now.
IOLOO0.
(01:35):
No o l is goal.
Yeah g o o.
What a spooky time of year.
Boggo road jail.
That is a spooky.
Yeah, we should do a story onthat at some point.
Well, for once,it's me doing it, not.
Yes, for a change. Good.
I can sit hereand nag the crap out of you,
I highly doubtyou'll be able to.
(01:56):
It's a great. Story. All right.I'm gonna thank you so much.
He's going to get you.
Is that refreshing, boy.
So refreshing on a hotsummer's day.
Yeah.
Even though it's nighttimeI'm sure it's still refreshing.
In November.In the colors of Santa.
In spook van.
But apparentlycheck out that episode spook.
Remember the history of SantaSanta Claus?
(02:18):
Well, we're. Back way back.
I mean, look at that.
Why do I do that
right here, Bad boy, I hate thatyou do that every time.
My boy.
We do it in volleyball, and it.
The person we do it for iscompletely lost on them, right?
Oh, yeah. He doesn't get.
Joseph has no idea. Yeah,he's from Italy.
I'm sure he's never watchedHarry Potter.
(02:39):
Yeah. Good times I hide it.
But it was justit's like ingrained in me now
that when you said itI just immediately went to.
Somebody said the number69 to me the other day.
I did
that without even thinkingand went, oh that's not good.
Yeah.
I even, I.
Don't want to do thatat work. What?
What's the the bell experimentwith the bell.
(03:00):
Oh, yeah, but make the dog.
Pavlov's dog loves dogs.
Yeah,I love dogs. Yourself with 69.
Yeah. Oh, jeez.
Yeah, right.
So 69, 69.
Not 69.
Anyway,
what do we get to talk about?
So many things on NFL jerseys.
(03:20):
Bengals lost again.
They're all orange.
Not really for any NFL reason.
I've been watching more collegefootball than I have watched.
Been watching NFL. You've beenplaying college football.
I had or X-Box I have, but
the reason I've been watchingit is also because
the reason I've been playing isbecause I've been watching it.
Do you wantdo you know why he bought it?
And he's watchingcollege football because.
(03:40):
He's a. Hipster.
It's so next year in the fantasyleague.
He's going to know
all the college playersin the draft,
and he's going to tryand get a leg up.
That's what. He's doing.It's a long play.
For the next five years
he's going to be watchingcollege football.
It's actually because a client
in the barber shopsaid he watched it.
I asked him why and he goes,
I want to watch footballon Sunday instead of a Monday.
When I'm at work.
And I went, that's very,very accurate.
It is a lot nicerwaking up on a Sunday
(04:01):
and not being in the rushof getting ready.
Yeah, all the gamesstart at two in the morning
and go throughtill about like late lunch.
Yeah. It's great.
It's my day off.
I can actually watch him whereasMonday I can watch him work.
Okay. Fair enough. It's a nice.Touch. And it's also like
it's sometimesgreat football and sometimes
some of the worst footballyou've ever seen.
Yeah, both are brilliant. Yeah.
(04:22):
They're either a blowoutor it's really quite good.
Yeah, yeah. Okay.
But speaking of football,you and I,
we need to do our MaddenSuper Bowl.
Yes. Yeah you did.They might be.
Committed to doing a full seasonwhere we like
it was a franchise.So we got all that.
The whole league of playersput them all into a draft.
We all picked out fliersand then played a full season.
(04:43):
And now we'reat the last game of the season,
which is John versusme for the Super Bowl.
And it has been three weeksand we haven't played
most.
I came to start another seasononce we've sorted that.
Yeah, we keep the momentum going
and don't let ourselvesslow down.
I think we should dothat. Thing.
Is someone mortgaged every draft
pick to try and pick up playersat the start of the season.
(05:04):
How do you do that?
Because I figured we weren'tgoing to do another season.
No, I meant we will start.
We'll start the draft. Deletethe whole thing.
Like the whole thing I did.
I made the right decision. Yeah,you. Made the right decision.
Where's the fun and planto get lost? That's that's the.
I don't want to have to doall the team building.
Yeah, I want to pick a team.
Same as fantasy.
Every yearI get to stop my draft fresh.
I get to pick Brandon Dukeagain, like I do every year.
(05:26):
You'll like him watching.
We'll have to pickthe same division teams.
All right,let's get to the story.
It's going on to long.
Oh. He took your job.
Yeah. 30s short.
Well,it's called a good posting.
Have either ofyou ever heard of this story?
I think I have one of the,most haunted places in America.
(05:47):
Yeah. I mean, that'sone of the things I say about.
Yeah. Yeah, I think I have.I think.
You might have heard of. This.
I think I've heard of the houseyour in the entity.
As someone.
As a skeptic.
No, I haven't heard of this.
I'm also a skeptic.
Let me be clear. There.
I had a thought about this.Yeah.
Let's just say
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hauntings are real.
Yeah. Yep. Spirits.
When we pass onand just spirits, we point.
Pass it.
The whole idea isthat we're taught
to a certain placebecause of something.
If we're not tiedto a certain place, why?
Like celebrities, houses,
the most haunted placesin the world.
Yeah, yeah.Why don't you just go?
Why wouldn't you go?
Why wouldn'tyou go and haunt Sydney Sweeney?
(06:31):
Like, that's exactlyjust what it is.
Two of them.
Yeah. Why are you holding.
Some crack down the house?
Like in Tennessee,when you could be
hanging out in Beverly Hills?
I just had that epiphanya couple of weeks ago, like.
Yeah,why wouldn't you do that? Yeah.
If you are tied to a place,why is every hospital not the
most haunted place in the world?
(06:52):
Because that'swhere the most people die.
Yeah, like the.
Bruce Highway would just be ahighway of dead bodies. Yeah.
The Oregon
Trail, literallya highway of dead bodies.
Cut the first highway bit.
Same all the too close to home.
Too close to home.
Actually,I know we're trying to stop,
but we didn't talk aboutour favorite local suspension
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bridge being shut down. What?
Yeah. What's a windy day.
With your favorite localsuspension?
Typically you weren't herefor the Brooklyn Bridge.
Yeah, yeah.
We talked about that one.
And we're like, oh, it's rightthere.
It's really bridges backopen though.
Yeah it closedfor a little while
because it was getting repaired
and they didn't give enoughnotice. So everyone was like.
Oh my bridges.
We just at the endof the episode, we're like,
do we have any suspensionbridges?
(07:34):
Like is the bridge just a strictsuspension bridge? Yep.
Yeah.
Yeah it is.
You know,maybe learn a bit about bridges.
You would know that
if one you were herefor the episode or two,
you listen to yourI don't call them podcast. Yeah.
I understandyou're not listening to the ones
you're on,but the ones you're not on.
Wow. That's how I, I listento the ones I wasn't on.
I got this job.
(07:55):
That's one. It's one.Episode two.
I was in case for one and.
Oh yeah.
You were a guest. On the Cairnsone, though.
We called. You. Yeah.
You were a guest on your ownpodcast?
Yeah. I watchedit to see how I appeared.
All the way quickly.
I've been only. Holding the.
Laptop in on.
Multiple video calls with Jay-Zsince that day.
Still shirtless,he's never got a shirt.
(08:15):
I'm pretty surethat never. Was a show.
I find you it, but if we werevideo calling him right now.
He would have no shit.
Oh, we're not calling him.
All right, so the bell, which,
unlike most ghost stories,this one didn't
startwith an unsuspecting family
buying a grand mansion
for a steal, immediatelyexperiencing ghosting attacks
until they sell the houseto the next victim.
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No. The Bell family of RobinsonCounty
had owned their home alongsidethe Red River near modern
Adams, Tennessee, since 1804.
They were farmers,
and John Bell had becomeone of the
wealthiest farmers of the area,primarily
off the back of the slaveshe owned who worked his land.
The family were Baptist
and were well knownwithin their local
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Baptist church,with John being an elder.
The family consisted of FatherJohn,
Mother Lucy and their children
Jesse Drury,John Junior, Benjamin, Esther,
Sadek, Betsy, Richard and Joel
Sadek.
Yes, Zach Z, a okay, okay. Yes.
(09:21):
That's a that's a little bitbetter than Sadek.
Sadek. Yeah.
Which is what I thoughtyou said.
I do love that.
It's like three kids datebefore you get John.
John junior like the first two.
He's like, not quite upto my standard I think.
No, I think that's prettycommon.
Wasn't itlike the first born son?
Now modern boys gets the junior.
(09:41):
But I think back a little bit.
It was not kosher to have yourfirstborn named after yourself.
I have no idea.
I think it's kind of silly.
So I'm not a fanof doing the junior
or the secondor the third thing.
Well, there is no the secondbecause they call junior,
he goes junior, then the third.
Well, I mean, you couldcall yourself the second.
Yeah, you could, butthey don't like junior Patrick.
Mahomes appears like as PatrickMahomes the second.
(10:04):
And then his son is the third.
How annoying.
After a while. Yeah.
You have to give them a nicknamebecause it's just annoying.
Yeah. I run the second.
No. I apple.
Sloppy. The second apple
little slaps.
Yeah. Bonnie. Sorry.
Cool little slaps.Little slaps. Yeah.
Until a headache really comesin. Yeah.
(10:26):
Oh yeah. Right.
We'll put a filter on it.
The other daywhen she was in her high chair,
mustache, bald head.
It was unsettling.
No, no paternity test needed.
No paternity test needed.
It just look like.
Look like a babydressing up as me.
Yeah, baby. Cosplay.
It's like you're beingput in the dryer table.
The Bell family had liveda largely
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normal life working the landand selling their produce,
but that would all change.
One afternoon in 1917,when John Bell was out walking
with his favoritefriend. His rifle. What
is your.
Oh, yeah. Oh,
It's just for cheesy.
So John's out
walking with his favoritefriend, the a rifle bang bang.
And so a strange animal.
(11:08):
What caliber?
Big one. What animal?
Real. Well.
At first glance, sugar glider.
At first glance,it was a big black dog.
Boom.
But as he paidattention to. It, Sirius Black.
He noticed that something wasodd about its head.
It had a rabbit head skinwalker
with glowing red eyes.
(11:30):
Yeah,it does sound like a skinwalker.
Be original. Why are theyalways got red eyes?
Wow, so many colorson the visible light spectrum.
But that's.
Like evil.
Evil red eyesis evil red or black.
But they were in monochrome.
It was 1878.It was black and white. Anyway.
Monochrome that you see inmonochrome, you muppet.
I remember asking my dad
once if people just fosterin the past,
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you know how old timey footageis always sped up.
Yeah.Yeah. I wasn't a smart kid.
I wouldn'tsay you're a smart man. Now.
That's hurtful.
You know, you ran in headfirstinto that one.
You don't knowhow to take place.
No helmet, mouth open,
eyes crossedlike he ran straight into our.
That's why I askedstupid questions like that.
Too much of that.
Being American, of course.
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John'sfirst instinct was to open fire.
And while he took a numberof shots, none of them hit not.
And the animal ran away.
Obviously,when he returned to the house,
he expected to find thateveryone thought he was crazy,
but in fact, he found that a mannamed Dane, one of his slaves,
advanced, walked and attackedby a large black dog
in recent days. What was Dane'slast name? Winchester.
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Dane.
Check your tail says nothank you.
The slave ownership.
Yeah.
Controversial,I know, but we don't agree with.
Yeah, Avery.
We just got it on ourselvesbefore we get going.
I thought you were gettingmy reference,
and I thoughtwe're going to high five over.
The ref about the constant gun,referencing.
The Dean Winchester.He's from, that show, right,
with his brother.
(12:56):
The other one.
Told which Sam Winchester.
What? Sam Winchester.
That's his name. David. Sam?Yeah.
From, supernatural. Are you?
We watched supernatural.
Neither did I.
I'd go with Charles EmmersonWinchester, the third from Mash.
Oh, there you go.
You're bringing it back?
Yeah.
The dean had been stalkedby a big black dog.
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Other slaves would saythat they had been getting
mysteriously locked out of doors
and was saying deadman's candles at night.
These were balls of lightthat would be seen
at the edge of the treeline, slowly moving
toward the farmhousewithout ever reaching it,
eventuallyjust hovering in place.
Obviously,John would be rattled by this,
but would try to put it
out of his mind as weirdcoincidences and occurrences.
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He wouldn't be able to do thatfor even one night.
That really doessound like a skinwalker.
We had the skinwalkershow. No I haven't.
That is a freaky.
Story, but it is very normalfor people
to say thingsabnormally at nighttime.
There's a great scientificexplanation behind it.
Yeah, that I know a lot about.
Fact check on Sean coming in.
People getting spooked.
We want to know.
Yeah, sure, sure.
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Two kinds of cells in the eyes.
Rod cells and cone cells.
Cone cellsare directly in the middle.
Like if you point in somethingstraight
in, they can take
in the most amountof information,
but they can only takein information
when there's like lots of lightand lots of actual information
to take in
rod cells,
around the outside of the conecells,
towards the backand the sides of the eye.
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They can take in fine detailin low light situations,
but they need to be stimulated
by a chemical knownas rhodopsin,
sometimes called visual purple,but it's known as rhodopsin.
That sounds like thethe from the Cinderella story
from elsewhere. Right?
Sure would know that if he hadlistened.
Now, rhodopsin,
the way it actually activatesthese rod cells is a little bit
like the haze in your ears.
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To actually hear anything,they have to be moving.
So it's whypeople see things in the dark.
Because the cone cells
in the center there,I can't say anything.
Which is why
when you look at somethingin nighttime, you can't see it.
But if you look off center,
you can see it quite clearlybecause the rod cells
are being activatedas opposed to the cone cells,
and also the rhodopsin
that's activating the rod cellssometimes make
things look like they're moving
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because it'sphysically moving the cells
in your eyes,activating them to try
and help you see in the dark.
Getting the spook vision.
Yeah. Science.
Spooky, freaky science.
It's like that thingin Assassin's Creed
where he getsup, gets an. Eagle eagle vision.
But it's just spooky.
Yeah. Can wecan we do a little bit for that?
Like, cheeky science breakpow pow pow or something
I don't know. Do do do do do dohair science.
(15:26):
Is this a science bitch.
Lunch. Yeah.
No I like that sciencebit. Shit.
Big stepon this great science bitch.
And we turn into,like, sports center.
So I call the next like PTI.
We'll go to the next segment,
plays the sound bite,and then I'll
rattle off the science a bit.
As the family tried to sleepthat very night,
they started to hear strange
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and scary noisesthroughout the evening,
they would start to.
Approach cells in areaswhere activating.
They were vibrating.
In the small areas. Yeah.
The cochlea hairs.
What notices?
Yeah. When they all fold over.
Be safe with your ears.
Earplugs are not Suki.
We're hearing protection.
Jake tell says yesto protecting your ears. Yes.
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No to terrorismand no to slavery.
They would start hearingscratching
against the walls of the house.
Oh, what are theother things we say no to?
Guns.
Well gun violence, gun violence.
There's something elsethat we say no to
in particular. Gambling.
The 1930s. Yeah.No to that. Yeah.
Check it. Out.
(16:30):
No thank you to gambling.
The 1930s.
Gun violence,terrorism, terrorism, we say.
Absolutely.
And slavery and we sayabsolutely to here protection
and right and responsiblepet ownership.
Yeah. Get your pets neutered.
Get your pets registered.
And yes, to big Red
(16:52):
big gum. Yeah, yeah.
If you don't chew big Redthat you.
We also say yes to TalladegaNights.
They would start hearingscratching
against the walls of the house
and then knocking on the doorsof the home.
A couple of times.
John and the older sons
would run outsideto try and catch
who was making the noises, butthey never saw with their rifle.
(17:13):
Oh, it was. Always with a rifle.
If you're doing a nighttimecheck with a gun, just fire
indiscriminatelyinto the darkness.
That'sthe best thing you can do.
It takes too long to load.Is 1817?
Yeah. You got one shot.
You only get one shot.
One opportunity.
To seize everythingyou ever wanted.
And kill an innocent.
(17:33):
Person.
Capture it or let it slip. Yo,
is that the knees weak line?
Is that his kneeswith his sweaty bum spaghetti?
I thought it was vomiton his sweater already.
Mom's spaghetti. He's nervous.
But on the surface he.
Looks calm and ready to drop.
Bombs, but he keeps onforgetting what he wrote down.
(17:54):
The whole crowd goes so loud.
John Savage, rap extraordinaire.
I'm really disappointed in us
for doing that, actually,because we all suck.
Let's get very aggressively.
One that might get cutshouldn't.
Have don't dissolution.They're bad. That was.
But I know the words.
It was pretty. Bad.
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Over the next few daysin the Bell household,
the sounds would get worsethrough each night,
becoming louderand lasting longer
until eventuallythey started to be
heard from within the houseitself.
The Bell children would say thatit sounded
as thoughrats were gnawing on their bed
posts, of course, withoutany rats being found inside.
As it progressed, thefamily started to hear something
invisible, gulpingand choking through the night,
(18:37):
which I can'timagine was great to listen to.
As they tried to sleep, look up.
That sounds awful.
It can you imagine?
We think we hear thatfrom the cats every so often.
Yeah, that'sthat's them vomiting.
But the
and then you jump out of bed
to try and put somethingunderneath to capture the spew.
(18:58):
Did I tell you about stills
behind me in a meetingthe other day?
I so I want.
A meeting with the UKlike the owners of our business,
and they run methrough this portal
and I'm like, oh yeah, you know,
blah blah blah, very business,very business.
Stills is lyingacross the desk in front of me.
No. She just gets up,casually walks away like normal,
like, oh, okay.
(19:19):
And then just in the doorway ofmy office, she's there.
Just,
Bree comesrunning to try and get it.
And she's like, oh,I can't walk in.
Oh, no, I can't help.
And then stills just.
All over the groundball on me and like,
I'm on this meetingthe whole time.
So I'm just sitting there like,quietly muting myself.
(19:42):
And then she came out.He had tried to be on the couch.
Great times.
Had had to smell thatuntil the end of the meeting.
I'll tell you what,
my alarmwill go off in the mornings
and I'll snooze ita couple of times,
and I'll get right out of bedvery slightly.
I hear my cat starting to vomit.
I'm out of bed.
Quick smile.I just need to change my alarm.
Santa, that noise. It. I'm up.
Yeah. It'll get you. Yeah.
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Things would escalatein the coming days
as the children would startto experience their bed sheets
being ripped off themby an unseen force,
as well as their pillowssmacking them in the face.
The children were nowbeing tormented so much
they were unable to sleep intheir own bed. Yeah, that would.
Yeah, that would suck.
Yeah, even if it wasn'tactually happening.
(20:22):
But the children believethat was happening.
Like having to deal with that.
Not for them as a parent.
Yeah, I can imagine
an especially unnervingescalation was when the entity
developed a voice,a disembodied voice of a woman.
It started to be heardthroughout the house
and would eventually becomeclearer,
singing, quoting scriptureand having conversations
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with thosethat would speak to it.
It would even start to namepeople in the house, showing
more disdain for some membersof the family than others.
John Bell was now convincedthat they were dealing
with a witch,
and would set out to uncoverthe truth
of what was harassing them.
So yeah, at this point, it'sbasically just at night.
They're just gettinglike hounded all every night.
(21:06):
And so John's like,hey let's get some of them.
They approach us from my church
out hereand we'll sort this thing out.
Yeah.
So they start showing up.
He was an elder at the church.Yeah.
And they are goingto communicate with this entity
that would come to the homeand call out to the entity
which would reveal when askedthat its name was Kate.
It also revealedanother tidbit of information
(21:28):
that would interest John Bell.
Kate wanted to kill John Bell.
So she's like, you
off with your head mate, off.
With your headto the guillotine.
To the guillotine,
which was in good useat this point, wasn't it?
1817.
1817 yeah.
Bit 17 I guess the reign ofTerror was only 13 months.
(21:51):
So it wasI think it was 1786, 87.
Yeah. So we'rejust outside of that. Yeah.
When askedwhy she wanted to kill John,
Kate would simply reply,he is a bad, bad man.
After this, John would decideto consult with his best friend
James Johnson
as to what he should do.
James obviouslyhadn't been around
(22:12):
for much of what was goingon, and was so
and so was pretty skeptical.
When John explainedwhat had been happening,
James would asked
to spend the nightat his friend's house
to seewhat was happening for himself,
and as you would expect, thatwould turn out to be a bad idea.
He would experience the noises,his bedsheets being ripped off
him and his pillowsbeing thrown around.
Choking him, gagging noises. He.
(22:37):
That's what,
we rememberthe worst bit is the choking.
Yeah. Gulping.
Just like, hey,
Google, play choking noisesat 1:30 a.m..
Don't allow that to happen.
Real,
James would even be slappedby the spirit during the night.
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The spirits was like,you're back.
The next morning,James would tell
John thatit was clearly an evil spirit
and that he should continueto ask for help from the church.
When did he become an expert?
Also, I love how he's just like,yeah, yeah, probably
just keep talking to the church,right? Yeah.
It's like,keep doing what you were doing.
Yeah. Thanks for your help.
Thanks, Jimmy.
(23:20):
Really?
You heard that one?
Yeah. Real eye opener.
Despite John being the maintarget, Kate would torment
other family, other membersof the family as well.
Betsy would find herself
the target of much of Kate'srage, feeling
as though she was being stuckwith needles,
slapped and scratchedacross the back and punched.
This would go on for
(23:41):
days, but sometimes the spiritwould become suddenly nurturing,
promising her that she wouldn'thurt her again, and Betsy
even reporting being softlypatted on the cheek.
The bipolar spiritdid seem to have an agenda
with Betsy, though,
being angered every timeshe spent time with her fiancé,
neighbor Joshua Gardner.
(24:01):
Feel like he missedan opportunity.
The bipolar spiritI feel like could gone
with Poltergeist or Poltergeist?
Yeah. By Poltergeistit's pretty good.
The by Poltergeist spiritdid seem to have an.
Agenda with Betsy. Though.
Yes. She assists from.
Sure.
The attacks against her wouldintensify after she saw Joshua,
(24:23):
and Kate would make threatsagainst the two.
Eventually,the relationship between the two
would be the first victimof the haunting,
as Betsywould call off the wedding
to try and protect herselfand Joshua,
as wellas the rest of the family.
Oh nine yeah,
that's not just an ex-girlfriendtrying to break up a wedding.
Oh no, I do have some theoriesthat I get into like.
(24:58):
So. Kate is
starting to become a bit famousby this point.
As the attacks from Kateescalated,
her fame would start to spreadwith people
from all over the regionstarting to want to get a feel
for what was going on.
People from all over Tennesseeand Kentucky in particular,
would start to visit the farmto try and catch
a glimpse of the activitybrought on by Kate.
(25:21):
Ghostbusters 1817 Ghostbusters.
Who are you going to call?
Are they going to takethree months
to get there by horse and cart?
This only seemed to make Katestronger and gave the entity
more opportunityto share what it was.
It's very similar to,
the Annabelle doll.
I mean, likeyou, I did think that. Yeah.
(25:44):
That was the.
Was that spooky spectacularnumber one.
Might have been number one.Yeah.
Oh, no.
No, that was the movies.
Right? It was number two.It was, I think Annabelle two.
Oh, it was part of the movie'sone, two, one. Was it?
Yeah. Might have been a movie.
It was a mentallybecause we had the movies,
we had the skeletonsand the like. We had,
Still the grossest thingyou ever told me,
(26:07):
So someone would ask Katewhere she had come from
and the entity would reply,I am a spirit.
Sorry,
I am a spirit.
I was once very happy,but I have been disturbed
and made happy.
So in lovethat I am the spirit of a person
who was buried in the woodsnearby.
And the grave was disturbed.
(26:29):
My bonesdisinterred and scattered
and one of my teeth was lostunder this house.
I am herelooking for that tooth.
On these specific.
Yes, thiswas like a voice that come back.
They weren't using a Ouija boardor anything. No.
So basically she was just trying
to steal the tooth fairiesjob. Yeah.
Honestly,if a ghosts said to me, hey,
(26:50):
I just want to find my toothunder. Yeah. House.
I'm digging up underneath there.
I'd be like,all right, I'll help you out.
Yeah, I find you. Just.
You don't have to haunt me. No,I don't have to slap me like.
I do have to go to work.
And I want tostill have a social life.
I'll help you find the tooth.
The tooth isn'tin the bedsheets.
Stop ripping them off.
Yeah, you've checked here.
And also, you.
Didn't have to just ask.
Like you can obviously talk.
(27:10):
So I'mtrying to slap my tooth out.
You don't have to lose me.
Yours. I'm a niceguy. I'll just help you out.
Yeah.
In any case, Kate seemed to feedon the fear of those
that came to visit
with the level of violenceagainst those in the house
and nearby, increasing,the more people came to visit.
Some people would decideto try and test Kate,
(27:30):
with one man in particular
named Frank Mylesasking to challenge the witch
by staying the night.Not a good idea.
Yeah, we've just finishedsaying we'd be super helpful.
Yeah. And these guys, like.
Know you're a bit of a bitch.
I well, again,drawing parallels to Annabel.
Remember that one bloke
like, tested Annabel outand then they had,
like, a car accident on the wayhome. Yeah.
(27:50):
They got seriously injuredor died. One of the two.
Yeah.
So Frank Myles claimedhe was too big and strong at
seven feet tall and 300 poundsto be scared by the weak.
Sean. Yes,I know you're skeptic.
Yes, but in this situation,are you challenging in spirit?
Are you taking that risk?
No, because I'm a skeptic,but I'm a scaredy cat.
(28:11):
I'm all.
I'm the same way. I'm like,you know, I don't believe it.
I don't think I want to risk it.Yeah.
Why risk?
I'm a I'm a six foot two man
with, like, pretty,all right skills.
I still don't walk downdark alleys. Do I know?
Because I'm scared. The dark,like it's just what you do.
That's what I mean. That's whyI ask you the question.
You not believe in it,but are you going to tempt it?
No. When I take that.
(28:32):
Risk what's there to be gained.
So check the cupboards inmy house and I'm, I'm by myself.
Still the skeptic.Still going to check.
Still runs out of the door24 hours a day.
Oh my god. So I want to check.
Turn the light off.
You run out of the room.Yeah, I still check.
All I know, all the specificlight switches in my house.
So if I need to go to the other
end of the house,I know in what sequence I need.
(28:52):
To tell for.
My bedroom light,then the hallway light,
and then the one for the lantern
in the kitchen is the wrong one.
Large room in the kitchen
and then around the cornerof the toilet
at the backof the house of good,
and then I turn them offin succession. As I. Walk back.
I know you were spookedby the dog.
I've always been spookedby the duck.
Yeah, thereyou go. Yeah, my my thing.
Exceptwhen I'm actually in the dark
for long periods of timethat I'm all right.
I will tell you onething about the doc that's,
(29:17):
I wouldn'tsay struggle, but, like,
something that is difficult
because we've had kidsfor such a long time.
We've always had a loton a night for the kids
when they've been away.
And I've been in the houseby myself,
like sleepingwith all the lights off
in the house, like thathasn't happened in years.
So it's very strange.
Yeah.
(29:37):
My grandparents house.
You've been there? Yeah.
You wouldn't have been.
It's been like that.
And it's like a big L-shape.
And it's like thisold brick house and
during the day, fine.
If it's night time,
the, the house is likean L-shaped.
(29:59):
Right.
This part is the bit thateveryone lives in all the time.
It's got the living room,the kitchen, the main bedrooms.
This part is like a, a library,
a rumpus room, garage and two.
Bedrooms.So all the speaking rooms, all.
The space. It's.
It has a presence.
Like, I don't likebeing out there alone.
And I will not go out therealone if I can avoid it.
(30:20):
Yeah.
And everyone I've spoken tohas said the same thing,
like my grandparentshave always.
We're always falling in there.
But my dad, my mum,my cousins, my aunties,
they're all like, yeah,I avoid going out there.
It's creepy
and I've never felt anythinglike that anywhere else.
There are places for methat I've been
to that I felt uneasy in,
(30:43):
the old mental
hospice atthe top of the hill in Ipswich.
You know where the velodromeused to be? Yeah.
It's like a three storey house.Yeah, yeah,
I when I was workingfor the state government,
the mental hospital
or hospice had where I'd movedout to that new building
and we went in there
to clear out some like stuffand whatever.
And itthe whole place had a presence
(31:03):
like it was just creepy.
Yeah, yeah.
Mine comes from an absolutedistrust of human beings.
Like, I'm like,I haven't checked this place, so
the chances of some crackthat homeless person attacking
me are far too high. Like.
And that that's my thing.
It's like I haven't
physically checkedor cleared this place,
so I have no certaintythat it is empty.
(31:24):
You never know.
I've bumped into my friendin there.
Too many homeless peopleor people that are just never
being nefarious over the years.And I'm just.
My feelings were kind ofwasn't like that.
It was more likestepping into like, soup.
Like you could feel something.
That's whatmy grandparents places like.
You can't put your finger on it.
There'snothing that you can point to
that is like that scary.
(31:46):
It's just uncomfortable.
It's like, yeah, riding through,like, thick.
Then you just feel.
The tunnel in New Zealand?
Yes. Yeah, I actually, yeah.
But I was having that feeling
that you just described of like,
I think there's somebodyin the dark further.
Yeah. It wasn't that I couldn'tput my finger on it.
I knew
I feel like there's somethingfurther along in this tunnel.
(32:07):
We went to this, this tunnel
that was supposed to have glowworms in it.
It was a 400 meter.
Oh, I was long tunnel.
It's just pouredthrough a mountain.
Pitch black as like a water.Yeah.
Yeah, even during the day, it.
But yeah.
So we walked for, like,40 minutes
to get this thing,and we went inside
and as soon aswe went in fly maggots.
(32:27):
We only had our phone lights,so they didn't. Oh.
So this wasn'tlike a ticketed thing?
No. No sweat and family Guyby your side.
It's on a hot day, right?
Yeah.
40 minutes from the town, likeon a hike up to the mountain.
So we walked deep enough into it
where we thoughtthat they'd be glow worms. And,
The couple.
(32:48):
Yeah, we saw them.
But I rememberjust saying to Shaun,
I don't want to be in hereanymore.
I'm worried aboutwhat's ahead of us. Yeah.
So we both turned aroundlike big manly men,
and rain got out of therevery quickly.
It was also like six inchesof water in the bottom of it.
Oh, we were avoidinggetting our fate too wet.
To just coming in. Yeah.
No, it was raining.
(33:08):
It's on the West coast.
If you've ever been to the westcoast of New Zealand,
it basically just never stopsraining. That was great.
But then when we got out,we saw deer on the road
and it was a lovely moment.Oh, yeah.
Train.
It's a hectic tunnel, but, for
some supplemental, supplemental,supplemental content,
I can send you the photothat I took
of youcoming out of that tunnel.
(33:29):
Great photo.
Or alternative way.
I think I've got a photo on filmof the creepy ass
entrance to this creepy tunnel.
It's quiteit's quite a long tunnel.
It's, like severalhundred meters long.
We probably got,like, 100m into it.
Yeah, maybe. Yeah.
So what happened to all my.
Who tested the witch?
So the Bell familywould agree to him
spending the night with Miles,
spending the eveningin the spare room.
(33:51):
It wouldn't even bea whole night before the bell.
Familyworld, woken by Miles screams
as he sprinted around the house,terrified of Kate
before he shut the door,never to return.
Oh that's awesome.
So he shut out the door andhe was gone for a little bit.
Yeah, yeah yeah, you.
(34:12):
Another notablevisitor to the home was none
other than futurepresident Andrew Jackson.
Yeah.
Who at the time was an armygeneral.
Not the same Jackson.
No, it's from the song.I'm just trying out Jackson.
I'm trying to take it.
Well, it's just, Oh.
And for eels,I saw this one name one time.
(34:32):
That was, Eight oh meals.
I was tryingto, have an educated guess
of what number presidenthe would have been.
Andrew Jackson is on the
$20 note $50 night.
And ifonly somebody could check that.
Yeah,it was in the title slap game.
You could you check that?
Boys don't care what numberpresidents.
(34:52):
Andrew Jackson
I'm going to say he'sin like the, the it's the 1800s.
So I'm going to sayhe's in like the 20s.
I would have said 17. 30s maybe.
He was the seventh US president.
Where is that he. Yep.
I guessbecause the Civil War was only.
Yep. So he was the seventh USpresident, serving
from 1829 to 1837.
(35:14):
Before his presidencygained fame as a general
in the US Army and servedboth houses of the US Congress.
Often praised for his advocateof ordinary Americans
and for his work inpreserving the union of states.
Jackson also was criticizedfor his racial policies,
particularly his treatmentof Native Americans.
UN surprising.
Something.
Three of the Bell sonswould serve under Jackson,
(35:35):
which is howhe heard of the haunting.
And he would make the decision
to visit the familyfarm in 1819.
That's right.
The haunting by this pointhad been going on for two years.
For a long time.
That's a long time.When do you get a good sleep.
When you just burn the housedown and build another house.
That's what I was thinking.
Just move it is the $20 bill.
There you go, boss.
Just move.
(35:55):
It's not that hardlike it's the 1800s.
Just go somewhereand build something.
Just a a couple treesdown. Stand them up.
You gotta house. Done.
Log cabin now plays myplate. Minecraft notes today.
I logged on.
I've played. Minecraft.
Did you say Mein Kampf?
No, not the bookthat Hitler wrote.
He said Minecraft with an accentand a rolled.
(36:17):
I know, I know. Oh,I still enjoyed this afternoon.
I love that video.
He, I downloaded Minecraftonto his laptop.
He's one of us now.
I love that video.The father gives.
The grandfathergives the present to the son.
What is this? It's Minecraft.
The book that Hitler wroteis Minecraft, you idiot.
Minecraft?
Surely that's staged.
(36:38):
It's so funny, Andrew Jackson.
Did he run outlike a little bitch to.
Oh, these little bottomfrom being small.
Okay. Jackson wanted toinvestigate for himself.
Is that. Bottom John?
Did they bottomhis little bottom?
And he brought his men, horsesand lodge wagon to Red River.
Actually,I think this is the part
I have heardthat he brought up over.
Like a cavalry and.
(36:59):
Yeah, yeah, like a small army.
They didn't even needto reach the property
before the fun started,with the wagon
becoming inexplicably stuckon the road outside of town,
despitehaving no obvious breakage
or being stuck on anything,
the horses couldn'tmove the wagon an inch.
After a few minutes,the witch would speak,
audible enough for everyonein the group to say,
(37:20):
all right, general,let the wagon move on.
I will see you again tonight.
After this moment,
the wagon was freed and ableto move again.
I'm out.
Yeah. That point, I'm gone.
This turn. Around? Yeah.Just turn around. Darn.
I actually don'twant to see you again.
Yeah, this has been enough.
Despite this, Jacksonand the men continued
(37:41):
on, possibly
even more interestedin what they were to find.
Yeah,this is the part I've heard.
Yep. Continue.
They would never quitemake it to the farmhouse,
though,as they camped out for the night
nearby, ready to headto the house in the morning.
During the night,one of the members of the party
decided to taunt the witchby telling everyone
that he was a witchhunter. Idiot, and that he is.
(38:02):
Going to take her down.
Why would you, why would you,why would you?
It's it's a story
that sounds almost exactlylike a horror movie. Yeah.
Like everyone that's like.
Yeah, I'm not scared of witches.
They're the first one to. He'sthe first one to die. Yeah.
Just put the target on yourself.
A sign.
This guy pulled out a pistolequipped with a silver bullet.
(38:23):
Maybe not.
And tried to firedinto the woods as a warning.
Strangely to witch,not a werewolf.
You map. It? Yeah,I know that's sooner.
Strangely, it wouldn't fire.
And no matter what he didto clean and re chamber it,
he couldn't get it to go on.
It only fired
when he pointed at himselfand looked at the barrel.
Soon after,
he would be struck by spasms inwhat would look like a seizure.
(38:46):
Eventuallyhe would run from the camp
and the rest of the soldiers.
Jackson included, would decide.
That's probably enough.
And escape from Kate in a runback to Nashville.
Good job, general,future president of America.
And then he went onto have that very successful no.
Which policy? Yeah,
it's the Seventh Amendmentin it.
(39:06):
All witches shall be banned.
No. Witchcraft and witchcraft.
The United States saysno to witchcraft.
It was now 1923 yearsafter the haunting had started.
With all the attentionon the property,
the intensity of the attackson the family had increased,
seemingly with Kate
gaining power from the attentionof the community.
(39:29):
Everything had clearly takena toll on John Bell,
but it would start to get worse
as he started to experiencestrange sensations in his face
with tingling and the feelingof stabbing pains.
He also started to experiencedifficulty swallowing
and eventually startedhaving erratic
and uncontrolled body movements.
He's the onethat night making the noises.
Start making those noises.
(39:50):
It's too sexual.
This is a family podcast.
What he's talking about, he'schoking on his own tongue.
The sounds you're making, tooconsistent
in their.
Eyes because they. Rhythmic.
Yeah.
Yeah, they're too consistent.
Their thickness. No.
Change it up a bit.
(40:10):
Knock knock to knockknock knock.
Better.
One third.Check it out. Says no.
The choking noises. Yeah.
Sorry.
If you're choking on a peanut,that guy's not going to.
Start helping. You. It startswith, hey, he doesn't end in.
Not though.
Oh, maybe it does go for.
Pretty good.
And we've got demonetized. Yeah.
(40:33):
We now have to put the explicittag on our podcast.
Oh, I said it, Sean.
All right.
So now our sponsorshipshave open back up again.
Yeah.We're taking presents. Right.
If you don't knowwhat that is, don't look it up.
(40:53):
Don't look it up
I mean, no,I don't know what it is. What?
What is it, Sean?
All right.
I holier than thou.
John Bell was now 70 years old,almost as old as our John.
And stuff.
It was still infor the same voice.
You got that written down?
No. Oh, no,that was off the dome. Yeah.
(41:13):
Rocky, because he's over theretaking personal.
If you had that with him.
I'm just deleting something.
Don't worry.
On December 19th, 1820.
John. My birthday, 1920.
John would fall into a coma.
And on the morning of December20th,
he would be founddead by the family in his bed.
(41:36):
John.
John laughing,but that he just died.
Not so t he now John Juniorwould be horrified to find
a strange and unexplained blackliquid in a vial in the room,
and on finding the vial,
the family would hearthe laughter of Kate the witch
and eventually her voicetaking credit
for John's demise by poisoning
(41:56):
the family,would test the black liquid
on a cat,assholes, and eventually.
Why would they put it there?
And unfortunately for the cat,the black liquid did into
it did indeedturn out to be poison.
John's funeral would beone of the largest ever held
in Robertson County, with people
coming from milesaway in the area.
Many knew him personally,
(42:17):
but many more knew himas the man
who had been hauntedby the witch.
The funeral itselfwas a solemn affair,
but as soon as it was over
and people were leavingthe venue, laughter
could be heard from the treesnearby.
Cheesyif you're watching show no.
What?
You can't have.
A I think Apollosis at about seven.
(42:37):
Yeah. If they're getting caughton camera.
Yeah. Two ofthem have been Apollos fall.
He's madeyour eye and stuff over him.
Weak to all forms of your ownchains.
Bonnie yawns. I'm done.
Not long after the funeral,
the family was sitting in the
houseand heard the voice of Kate
telling themthat she would be leaving now,
but would be back in seven yearstime.
(42:59):
My work is done. Yeah.
After you dad.See you in seven years.
Go on vacation?
Yeah, I'm going to Bermuda.
Yeah, I'm go to the Hawaii Bay,
Honolulu Beachfor a little bit of relaxing.
Yeah, a bit.
Ana, our our night really.
Restless and haunting.And haunting.
Rest and haunted rest haunts.
Sure enough,the children would report that
(43:21):
seven years later, the sameknocking, scratching
and shakingsounds would start to be heard.
Oh, now I got the ones.
It wouldn't get to the samelevel though, as it seems.
She just wanted to chatwith John Junior
and make some noise, this time
leaving and sayingshe would return in 1935.
From herethe story starts to become hazy,
as some say
(43:42):
she never returnedand some descendants
of the familysay she never left.
She just reduced the hauntingactivity.
Today,
many people
flock to the old familyfarm to see the Bell Witch Cave,
which wasn't really partof the original haunting,
but is simplythe only part of the property
that would stilllook as it did back then.
People report seeing and hearingsupernatural spooky activity,
(44:04):
though of course, no definitiveproof has ever been found.
Time for some theories, I think.
Now that you mentioned that,like the return in seven years,
I have definitely heardthis story before. Yeah,
since we got the cat here.
Do you ever get spooked outby cats? No.
Okay.
All right.
Because I know thatthey're just little idiots, so.
But sometimes, like,the cat will be sitting there
(44:25):
and the cat will be,like, sitting
and like he's at attentionat something
just staring into the top cornerof the roof.
There's nothing there like,what the hell are you staring
at? And I can do even spookierwhen they got like.
Yep. My headphonesjust dropped out.
And you kick them out.
Classic.
It's even spooky when they likestaring at something.
(44:46):
And then I, like,look like they follow something
and you're like, it'snothing. They.
What are you watching?
Or hearing or somethinglike that. Yeah.
So sometimes the kitty cats
spooky for me.
Just a tiny bug.Percy barks at nothing.
Sometimes there's a freak.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Cause I don't reckoncats can see like ultraviolet.
Yeah, yeah.
(45:06):
Infrared.
I love the ideathat animals can see
more than we can,and they just, like.
Or hear more or smell more.
Yeah, yeah, it's pretty cool.
It's like living.
Living in, like, homo sapiensbias that theoretically,
the only things that we can seeor hear,
then the things that existfor so long.
Yeah, has created such a weird
(45:27):
sort of sensation of like,oh, yeah,
it's like the whole thingabout dogs. Colorblind.
No, they just see a differentspectrum of colors that way.
You say.
It's like it's.
They obviouslyyou can see some color,
but it's likethey're colorblind.
No they're not,they just see different colors.
Colors, a human thing.Yeah. Like that.
But even even this concept of,you know, visible light spectrum
(45:48):
that's just based off. Yeah.
The human eyes, we have no idea.
Like we can theorizeabout other.
Dark spectrums we can't see.
But that's the thing.Even they can't.
But even this,this concept of like color
and where it intersectswith the with the, the,
the spectrum of photonsand visible,
that's something that we came upwith. Science bit.
Yeah.
This science
science bitch moment like that'sjust something that we came up
(46:11):
with.
Like it's not like we can'tactually physically quantify
this, this spectrum of light.
Like, that's just whatthis type of eyeball can see.
It's not as if we'rediscovering, okay, this rock
is this thingbecause this is a physical rock
like we're talking about.
We've createdthis spectrum of measuring light
and how many photon like wavesand formats
(46:31):
is purelybased on what we can interpret.
If we caninterpret it, it's not there.
All right.
Time for. Space.
Time for some spooky theories.
Well, I've only got two hours.
Yeah.
Because I think that onlytwo of them really make sense.
Okay. All right.
The first one is aliens.No theory.
One is, of course,that it never happened
(46:52):
and has beena fictionalized account
that was writtenmany years later.
Most of the information we haveon The Haunting
comes from a bookthat was written
by MartinVan Buren Ingram in 1894.
Bold.
And this is what makes it seemso very true.
Authenticated history of theBell, which authenticated.
It's a bookand it says authenticated.
(47:12):
What must be true?
It was written 73 yearsafter the end of the initial
haunting meaning.
Not only was Ingram not there,he wasn't even born right.
He based his workon the diary of Richard Bill,
one of the Bellchildren, Dick Bell.
Yep, who was bornat the time of the Haunting
(47:32):
and didn't sorry, who was born,
who was a boyat the time of the Haunting
and didn't even write down
the events until 30 yearsafter they occurred.
Additionally, Andrews, Jackson,Andrews, Jackson's Andrew
Jackson's whereabouts in 1814to 1820 are very well documented
and at no time is a visitto Robertson County mentioned.
(47:53):
There is
also no mention of John Bell'sdeath in any historical record,
so there is no way to verifythe events that transpired
around his death.
Okay. Theory two.
It actually did happen.
My personal favorite.
Okay. So the story theories,third theory.
It's all true. Yeah.
But theory twoand my personal favorite
is that the whole thing
(48:14):
was fabricated by the bellsto try and get someone killed.
Isn't this just the. Okay,
this whole ordeal happened
not long after the period
where women would be killedfor just the accusation
of being a witch.
Yeah,
you may remember that the spirithad said its name was Kate.
Well, JohnBell had a neighbor called Kate.
That's
who was already viewed
(48:35):
with suspicion of witchcraftfor strange behavior.
And she had a feud.
She also had a brother in law,Benjamin,
who had a business dealgo south with John Bell.
In the past,
the business deal just happenedto be over the sale of a slave.
So they're all just pieces of.
While Kateobviously denied all accusations
that she was involvedin witchcraft,
(48:56):
it seemed too good
of a coincidencethat the witch was called Kate.
My theory is that John hadcreated the story to discredit
and potentially have killedKate.
That's to make up for the deal
that went south with herbrother in law.
Perhaps the rest of the storygrew from John's lies,
with the failureto have her killed causing him
to escalate the storieshe told until his death.
(49:17):
That makes sense, because,
like you said,it become very famous.
A lot of people traveled to liketo see it and experience.
The other theory that I came upwith while
we were recording this episode.
So then did actually the otherpeople or what they like,
because there was the one personwho was John Smith's body.
Yeah, he could potentially be inon it.
(49:38):
Sorry. Yeah.
But there were the other ranwhere they ran.
Thosethat just come and visited.
Yeah.
But like,
it'd be pretty easy to spooksomeone in your own house.
Yeah. Especially backthen. Yeah. Fair enough.
But my,
my other theory that I came up
with whilewe were recording Betsy.
What if John just didn'tlike Betsy's partner?
Like, what if he just didn'tlike Betsy's fiancee?
(50:00):
Oh, the day that broke.Yeah, yeah.
So he's like, well,
let's just spook her outso much that she calls it off.
But then why continue?
It wasn't the ghost sayingthat she was haunting for
the point of Betsy to be engagedto garner the forever.
No, she was hauntingagainst the engagement.
Like things got worse whenshe spent time with him. And.
(50:21):
Okay,like she would say things to.
Her about it.
But then why continueafter they'd broken up?
Maybe it was just a little fungame. Okay.
Or maybeit was a combination of both.
Maybe he was like,oh, maybe I can get this Kate
woman killed.
And I can also get Betsyto break off her engagement.
Yeah, okay.
Two birds, one stone. Yeah.
Whatever the case, the bell.
(50:42):
Which story has continuedto fascinate
thosewith the supernatural interest.
And many still tell the storyto this day
as an example of why
you should just
leave in these situations
rather than stick it outto the bitter end.
Also,I'm pretty sure the gift shop at
that cave does pretty well.
And that what did they sell?
Black vials?
I would assume that they sellall kinds of crap.
(51:02):
Okay, but.
That is the storyof the Bell Witch.
And if you heard that buzz,that was Kate
making an appearanceon the podcast.
I went and saw a scream filmthis year.
Did you?
Yeah, that'sthe only spooky thing I've done.
And that's not even spooky.That's just a slasher.
I don't do spooky.
Scream is goodbecause it's just a slasher.
(51:24):
I, nothing that I did by the,Dead Space remake this year.
So I do do spooky.
No, though.
Shortest. Shortest noted. Deadspace.
Hell, put it on the listfor Cheeky pi.
Sean Price, dead space.Sorry, not.
Get the bait button ready,but hell fever.
I'll be playing Dead Space.
No, no, there's no way it's you.
(51:46):
Nope. And, 0% chance.
And we're going to be on thecouch next to you, watching you.
You got a better chance of megoing to work
carrying a bone Minecraft swordthan me playing Dead Space.
Interesting,interesting, interesting.
Interesting video.
You got to get to bed. Choose
the foam Minecraft diamondsword to take to work. Or.
(52:06):
Play. One hour of Dead Space.
I said. You go to the.Minecraft movies coming out.
I said.
I said, you got a better chance.
Not what are the chances?
Like you get a battle?
It sure sounds likeyou've only got two choices.
I put that on the list.
Sean.
Playing DeadSpace is going to be coming out.
One has to
finish the Dead Space game,
or he has to wear a minecraftbackpack to work every day
(52:30):
for a year.
Yeah.
We once we get the cheeky
to chat, cheeky playsstuff up and running.
It's a. Fun concept.
I've barely used the same clipas for a year, let alone
take a minecraft backpackto work for a year.
We'll just buy Dead Space then.
Yeah, all you have to dois finish Dead Space.
You don't evenhave been to an hour.
(52:50):
You don't even have to buy it.It's on Game Pass.
What whatwhat. Happened to an hour?
Why is. Oh, this is. This now.
Very quickly.
You know, planets,aliens and stuff.
Spooky. But I, Okay.
And I don't like. Seeing DeadSpace.
It's awful.
And haven't played.
The first time I playeda little bit of Dead Space.
I played the Dead Spacethree demo with me.
Yeah, it's not like jumpscare.
(53:11):
Not the chilling.
Okay, what about BioShock?
I don't like posh.
UntilI'm hearing is a lot of games.
There's a. Couple to make sureI. Didn't mind.
BioShock infiniteI didn't like it is.
BioShock infinite is not spooky.
The first BioShock isa spooky guy.
Yeah, I played about a thirdof it, went, this is awful.
All I'm feeling.
If you look to get some spooks,
(53:32):
hit up BioShock or Dead Space.
I'm feeling an idiotabroad style show
where someone has to play games
that he definitely doesn'twant to play.
It just feels like it's going
to turn into me doing thingsthat make me uncomfortable.
You know.
Or just walls me up in general.
So it's going to be an endlessshow, you know?
It's going to be a good onefor jumpscares, for sure.
On whatis an all game called fear
(53:55):
first
come on, first encounter, actionresponse unit or something.
I remember that game.
Yeah.
Maybe we just getting playingSlenderman
now. I don't like anything to dowith that Slenderman stuff.
Yeah, it was all very. Don't.
I don't like slime.
I don't like a lot of it.It's all.
I don't even like the Babadookmovie.
I don't like any of that.
(54:16):
Super spooky.
Just, makes my skin grow.
Oh. Hide it.
I'm a skeptic, but I hide it.
It doesn't seem like he'svery much of a skeptic now.
Like he'sgot a healthy appreciation
for whathe doesn't have to deal with.
Yeah, I'm a skeptic, butI hate all that spooky stuff.
I don't like.
I don't like watching itor experiencing it,
but I'm a skeptic, you know?
What about the first alienmovie? Not.
(54:38):
I don't likehorror movies. Horror movie.
Horror movie or thriller horror.
It's both.
It's more like a sci fi horror.
Yeah. Yeah.
Anyway, actually,he tells Pod on Facebook,
Twitter and Instagram.
Sean Powers Alien Isolation.
Actually does part on Facebook,Twitter and Instagram.
I refuse to call it ex again.I've decided.
(54:59):
Hello buddy.
Be there for the intro.
Matt. Hello.
We will have some supplementalcontent there, so.
All right, look at this. It'sfull of bloody.
These are the medicationsthis afternoon in
Sao Paulo is a little bita little bit off.
Is not.
Don't. Demonetized again.
On that ganja.
(55:20):
We will be back in a fortnight.
We will have another episodeor be John's episode.
Yeah.
And I guess we will see youthen for when.
We have an episode.
Are we just going to releasea video playing Dead Space?
Just an hour of Sean screaming,
hey, either way, we will see you
then it's not going to be Seanscreaming.
It's not going to be Seanscreaming or playing dead
space wood.
Spooky night cheekydudes or spooky spooky good.
(55:43):
Not 0% spooky
fun. So spooky.
On this spooky Halloween edition
of Cheeky Tales,we're diving into a haunting.
And for once, it'snot John that you have to hear
prattling onabout some ghostly apparition.
That's right,
as we've been talking aboutfor months now,
I get to do a Halloween special.
And I'll be coveringthe story of a family
stalked for yearsby an entity capable of speech,
(00:21):
moving stuffaround and shapeshifting.
Starting in 1817,the family would be tormented
by apparitions, noises,
attacks, and ultimately death.
Coming to you
straight from thehistory of Tennessee,
this is the story of the BellWitch of Adams.
(00:51):
Welcome to spooky
spectacular number three.
On our third one. Yep.
So spooky.
Well, it's purple in this room,and we're wearing orange.
The official colors of spookvember.
I mean, spook tober.
Man. I'm spooky.
Yeah. Messed it up already.
That'snot even the right moment.
(01:11):
Straight to spooky.
Oh, this is why I've done thata couple of times.
Spooky jail. Straight to spooky.Spooky.
And I pulled out my headphoneheadphones.
I to start now.
J o j I l o g o I
goal o.
Cuz in Australia it's Joe G.
Well, it is now.
IOLOO0.
(01:35):
No o l is goal.
Yeah g o o.
What a spooky time of year.
Boggo road jail.
That is a spooky.
Yeah, we should do a story onthat at some point.
Well, for once,it's me doing it, not.
Yes, for a change. Good.
I can sit hereand nag the crap out of you,
I highly doubtyou'll be able to.
(01:56):
It's a great. Story. All right.I'm gonna thank you so much.
He's going to get you.
Is that refreshing, boy.
So refreshing on a hotsummer's day.
Yeah.
Even though it's nighttimeI'm sure it's still refreshing.
In November.In the colors of Santa.
In spook van.
But apparentlycheck out that episode spook.
Remember the history of SantaSanta Claus?
(02:18):
Well, we're. Back way back.
I mean, look at that.
Why do I do that
right here, Bad boy, I hate thatyou do that every time.
My boy.
We do it in volleyball, and it.
The person we do it for iscompletely lost on them, right?
Oh, yeah. He doesn't get.
Joseph has no idea. Yeah,he's from Italy.
I'm sure he's never watchedHarry Potter.
(02:39):
Yeah. Good times I hide it.
But it was justit's like ingrained in me now
that when you said itI just immediately went to.
Somebody said the number69 to me the other day.
I did
that without even thinkingand went, oh that's not good.
Yeah.
I even, I.
Don't want to do thatat work. What?
What's the the bell experimentwith the bell.
(03:00):
Oh, yeah, but make the dog.
Pavlov's dog loves dogs.
Yeah,I love dogs. Yourself with 69.
Yeah. Oh, jeez.
Yeah, right.
So 69, 69.
Not 69.
Anyway,
what do we get to talk about?
So many things on NFL jerseys.
(03:20):
Bengals lost again.
They're all orange.
Not really for any NFL reason.
I've been watching more collegefootball than I have watched.
Been watching NFL. You've beenplaying college football.
I had or X-Box I have, but
the reason I've been watchingit is also because
the reason I've been playing isbecause I've been watching it.
Do you wantdo you know why he bought it?
And he's watchingcollege football because.
(03:40):
He's a. Hipster.
It's so next year in the fantasyleague.
He's going to know
all the college playersin the draft,
and he's going to tryand get a leg up.
That's what. He's doing.It's a long play.
For the next five years
he's going to be watchingcollege football.
It's actually because a client
in the barber shopsaid he watched it.
I asked him why and he goes,
I want to watch footballon Sunday instead of a Monday.
When I'm at work.
And I went, that's very,very accurate.
It is a lot nicerwaking up on a Sunday
(04:01):
and not being in the rushof getting ready.
Yeah, all the gamesstart at two in the morning
and go throughtill about like late lunch.
Yeah. It's great.
It's my day off.
I can actually watch him whereasMonday I can watch him work.
Okay. Fair enough. It's a nice.Touch. And it's also like
it's sometimesgreat football and sometimes
some of the worst footballyou've ever seen.
Yeah, both are brilliant. Yeah.
(04:22):
They're either a blowoutor it's really quite good.
Yeah, yeah. Okay.
But speaking of football,you and I,
we need to do our MaddenSuper Bowl.
Yes. Yeah you did.They might be.
Committed to doing a full seasonwhere we like
it was a franchise.So we got all that.
The whole league of playersput them all into a draft.
We all picked out fliersand then played a full season.
(04:43):
And now we'reat the last game of the season,
which is John versusme for the Super Bowl.
And it has been three weeksand we haven't played
most.
I came to start another seasononce we've sorted that.
Yeah, we keep the momentum going
and don't let ourselvesslow down.
I think we should dothat. Thing.
Is someone mortgaged every draft
pick to try and pick up playersat the start of the season.
(05:04):
How do you do that?
Because I figured we weren'tgoing to do another season.
No, I meant we will start.
We'll start the draft. Deletethe whole thing.
Like the whole thing I did.
I made the right decision. Yeah,you. Made the right decision.
Where's the fun and planto get lost? That's that's the.
I don't want to have to doall the team building.
Yeah, I want to pick a team.
Same as fantasy.
Every yearI get to stop my draft fresh.
I get to pick Brandon Dukeagain, like I do every year.
(05:26):
You'll like him watching.
We'll have to pickthe same division teams.
All right,let's get to the story.
It's going on to long.
Oh. He took your job.
Yeah. 30s short.
Well,it's called a good posting.
Have either ofyou ever heard of this story?
I think I have one of the,most haunted places in America.
(05:47):
Yeah. I mean, that'sone of the things I say about.
Yeah. Yeah, I think I have.I think.
You might have heard of. This.
I think I've heard of the houseyour in the entity.
As someone.
As a skeptic.
No, I haven't heard of this.
I'm also a skeptic.
Let me be clear. There.
I had a thought about this.Yeah.
Let's just say
(06:09):
hauntings are real.
Yeah. Yep. Spirits.
When we pass onand just spirits, we point.
Pass it.
The whole idea isthat we're taught
to a certain placebecause of something.
If we're not tiedto a certain place, why?
Like celebrities, houses,
the most haunted placesin the world.
Yeah, yeah.Why don't you just go?
Why wouldn't you go?
Why wouldn'tyou go and haunt Sydney Sweeney?
(06:31):
Like, that's exactlyjust what it is.
Two of them.
Yeah. Why are you holding.
Some crack down the house?
Like in Tennessee,when you could be
hanging out in Beverly Hills?
I just had that epiphanya couple of weeks ago, like.
Yeah,why wouldn't you do that? Yeah.
If you are tied to a place,why is every hospital not the
most haunted place in the world?
(06:52):
Because that'swhere the most people die.
Yeah, like the.
Bruce Highway would just be ahighway of dead bodies. Yeah.
The Oregon
Trail, literallya highway of dead bodies.
Cut the first highway bit.
Same all the too close to home.
Too close to home.
Actually,I know we're trying to stop,
but we didn't talk aboutour favorite local suspension
(07:13):
bridge being shut down. What?
Yeah. What's a windy day.
With your favorite localsuspension?
Typically you weren't herefor the Brooklyn Bridge.
Yeah, yeah.
We talked about that one.
And we're like, oh, it's rightthere.
It's really bridges backopen though.
Yeah it closedfor a little while
because it was getting repaired
and they didn't give enoughnotice. So everyone was like.
Oh my bridges.
We just at the endof the episode, we're like,
do we have any suspensionbridges?
(07:34):
Like is the bridge just a strictsuspension bridge? Yep.
Yeah.
Yeah it is.
You know,maybe learn a bit about bridges.
You would know that
if one you were herefor the episode or two,
you listen to yourI don't call them podcast. Yeah.
I understandyou're not listening to the ones
you're on,but the ones you're not on.
Wow. That's how I, I listento the ones I wasn't on.
I got this job.
(07:55):
That's one. It's one.Episode two.
I was in case for one and.
Oh yeah.
You were a guest. On the Cairnsone, though.
We called. You. Yeah.
You were a guest on your ownpodcast?
Yeah. I watchedit to see how I appeared.
All the way quickly.
I've been only. Holding the.
Laptop in on.
Multiple video calls with Jay-Zsince that day.
Still shirtless,he's never got a shirt.
(08:15):
I'm pretty surethat never. Was a show.
I find you it, but if we werevideo calling him right now.
He would have no shit.
Oh, we're not calling him.
All right, so the bell, which,
unlike most ghost stories,this one didn't
startwith an unsuspecting family
buying a grand mansion
for a steal, immediatelyexperiencing ghosting attacks
until they sell the houseto the next victim.
(08:38):
No. The Bell family of RobinsonCounty
had owned their home alongsidethe Red River near modern
Adams, Tennessee, since 1804.
They were farmers,
and John Bell had becomeone of the
wealthiest farmers of the area,primarily
off the back of the slaveshe owned who worked his land.
The family were Baptist
and were well knownwithin their local
(08:59):
Baptist church,with John being an elder.
The family consisted of FatherJohn,
Mother Lucy and their children
Jesse Drury,John Junior, Benjamin, Esther,
Sadek, Betsy, Richard and Joel
Sadek.
Yes, Zach Z, a okay, okay. Yes.
(09:21):
That's a that's a little bitbetter than Sadek.
Sadek. Yeah.
Which is what I thoughtyou said.
I do love that.
It's like three kids datebefore you get John.
John junior like the first two.
He's like, not quite upto my standard I think.
No, I think that's prettycommon.
Wasn't itlike the first born son?
Now modern boys gets the junior.
(09:41):
But I think back a little bit.
It was not kosher to have yourfirstborn named after yourself.
I have no idea.
I think it's kind of silly.
So I'm not a fanof doing the junior
or the secondor the third thing.
Well, there is no the secondbecause they call junior,
he goes junior, then the third.
Well, I mean, you couldcall yourself the second.
Yeah, you could, butthey don't like junior Patrick.
Mahomes appears like as PatrickMahomes the second.
(10:04):
And then his son is the third.
How annoying.
After a while. Yeah.
You have to give them a nicknamebecause it's just annoying.
Yeah. I run the second.
No. I apple.
Sloppy. The second apple
little slaps.
Yeah. Bonnie. Sorry.
Cool little slaps.Little slaps. Yeah.
Until a headache really comesin. Yeah.
(10:26):
Oh yeah. Right.
We'll put a filter on it.
The other daywhen she was in her high chair,
mustache, bald head.
It was unsettling.
No, no paternity test needed.
No paternity test needed.
It just look like.
Look like a babydressing up as me.
Yeah, baby. Cosplay.
It's like you're beingput in the dryer table.
The Bell family had liveda largely
(10:47):
normal life working the landand selling their produce,
but that would all change.
One afternoon in 1917,when John Bell was out walking
with his favoritefriend. His rifle. What
is your.
Oh, yeah. Oh,
It's just for cheesy.
So John's out
walking with his favoritefriend, the a rifle bang bang.
And so a strange animal.
(11:08):
What caliber?
Big one. What animal?
Real. Well.
At first glance, sugar glider.
At first glance,it was a big black dog.
Boom.
But as he paidattention to. It, Sirius Black.
He noticed that something wasodd about its head.
It had a rabbit head skinwalker
with glowing red eyes.
(11:30):
Yeah,it does sound like a skinwalker.
Be original. Why are theyalways got red eyes?
Wow, so many colorson the visible light spectrum.
But that's.
Like evil.
Evil red eyesis evil red or black.
But they were in monochrome.
It was 1878.It was black and white. Anyway.
Monochrome that you see inmonochrome, you muppet.
I remember asking my dad
once if people just fosterin the past,
(11:52):
you know how old timey footageis always sped up.
Yeah.Yeah. I wasn't a smart kid.
I wouldn'tsay you're a smart man. Now.
That's hurtful.
You know, you ran in headfirstinto that one.
You don't knowhow to take place.
No helmet, mouth open,
eyes crossedlike he ran straight into our.
That's why I askedstupid questions like that.
Too much of that.
Being American, of course.
(12:14):
John'sfirst instinct was to open fire.
And while he took a numberof shots, none of them hit not.
And the animal ran away.
Obviously,when he returned to the house,
he expected to find thateveryone thought he was crazy,
but in fact, he found that a mannamed Dane, one of his slaves,
advanced, walked and attackedby a large black dog
in recent days. What was Dane'slast name? Winchester.
(12:36):
Dane.
Check your tail says nothank you.
The slave ownership.
Yeah.
Controversial,I know, but we don't agree with.
Yeah, Avery.
We just got it on ourselvesbefore we get going.
I thought you were gettingmy reference,
and I thoughtwe're going to high five over.
The ref about the constant gun,referencing.
The Dean Winchester.He's from, that show, right,
with his brother.
(12:56):
The other one.
Told which Sam Winchester.
What? Sam Winchester.
That's his name. David. Sam?Yeah.
From, supernatural. Are you?
We watched supernatural.
Neither did I.
I'd go with Charles EmmersonWinchester, the third from Mash.
Oh, there you go.
You're bringing it back?
Yeah.
The dean had been stalkedby a big black dog.
(13:18):
Other slaves would saythat they had been getting
mysteriously locked out of doors
and was saying deadman's candles at night.
These were balls of lightthat would be seen
at the edge of the treeline, slowly moving
toward the farmhousewithout ever reaching it,
eventuallyjust hovering in place.
Obviously,John would be rattled by this,
but would try to put it
out of his mind as weirdcoincidences and occurrences.
(13:41):
He wouldn't be able to do thatfor even one night.
That really doessound like a skinwalker.
We had the skinwalkershow. No I haven't.
That is a freaky.
Story, but it is very normalfor people
to say thingsabnormally at nighttime.
There's a great scientificexplanation behind it.
Yeah, that I know a lot about.
Fact check on Sean coming in.
People getting spooked.
We want to know.
Yeah, sure, sure.
(14:02):
Two kinds of cells in the eyes.
Rod cells and cone cells.
Cone cellsare directly in the middle.
Like if you point in somethingstraight
in, they can take
in the most amountof information,
but they can only takein information
when there's like lots of lightand lots of actual information
to take in
rod cells,
around the outside of the conecells,
towards the backand the sides of the eye.
(14:24):
They can take in fine detailin low light situations,
but they need to be stimulated
by a chemical knownas rhodopsin,
sometimes called visual purple,but it's known as rhodopsin.
That sounds like thethe from the Cinderella story
from elsewhere. Right?
Sure would know that if he hadlistened.
Now, rhodopsin,
the way it actually activatesthese rod cells is a little bit
like the haze in your ears.
(14:45):
To actually hear anything,they have to be moving.
So it's whypeople see things in the dark.
Because the cone cells
in the center there,I can't say anything.
Which is why
when you look at somethingin nighttime, you can't see it.
But if you look off center,
you can see it quite clearlybecause the rod cells
are being activatedas opposed to the cone cells,
and also the rhodopsin
that's activating the rod cellssometimes make
things look like they're moving
(15:05):
because it'sphysically moving the cells
in your eyes,activating them to try
and help you see in the dark.
Getting the spook vision.
Yeah. Science.
Spooky, freaky science.
It's like that thingin Assassin's Creed
where he getsup, gets an. Eagle eagle vision.
But it's just spooky.
Yeah. Can wecan we do a little bit for that?
Like, cheeky science breakpow pow pow or something
I don't know. Do do do do do dohair science.
(15:26):
Is this a science bitch.
Lunch. Yeah.
No I like that sciencebit. Shit.
Big stepon this great science bitch.
And we turn into,like, sports center.
So I call the next like PTI.
We'll go to the next segment,
plays the sound bite,and then I'll
rattle off the science a bit.
As the family tried to sleepthat very night,
they started to hear strange
(15:47):
and scary noisesthroughout the evening,
they would start to.
Approach cells in areaswhere activating.
They were vibrating.
In the small areas. Yeah.
The cochlea hairs.
What notices?
Yeah. When they all fold over.
Be safe with your ears.
Earplugs are not Suki.
We're hearing protection.
Jake tell says yesto protecting your ears. Yes.
(16:09):
No to terrorismand no to slavery.
They would start hearingscratching
against the walls of the house.
Oh, what are theother things we say no to?
Guns.
Well gun violence, gun violence.
There's something elsethat we say no to
in particular. Gambling.
The 1930s. Yeah.No to that. Yeah.
Check it. Out.
(16:30):
No thank you to gambling.
The 1930s.
Gun violence,terrorism, terrorism, we say.
Absolutely.
And slavery and we sayabsolutely to here protection
and right and responsiblepet ownership.
Yeah. Get your pets neutered.
Get your pets registered.
And yes, to big Red
(16:52):
big gum. Yeah, yeah.
If you don't chew big Redthat you.
We also say yes to TalladegaNights.
They would start hearingscratching
against the walls of the house
and then knocking on the doorsof the home.
A couple of times.
John and the older sons
would run outsideto try and catch
who was making the noises, butthey never saw with their rifle.
(17:13):
Oh, it was. Always with a rifle.
If you're doing a nighttimecheck with a gun, just fire
indiscriminatelyinto the darkness.
That'sthe best thing you can do.
It takes too long to load.Is 1817?
Yeah. You got one shot.
You only get one shot.
One opportunity.
To seize everythingyou ever wanted.
And kill an innocent.
(17:33):
Person.
Capture it or let it slip. Yo,
is that the knees weak line?
Is that his kneeswith his sweaty bum spaghetti?
I thought it was vomiton his sweater already.
Mom's spaghetti. He's nervous.
But on the surface he.
Looks calm and ready to drop.
Bombs, but he keeps onforgetting what he wrote down.
(17:54):
The whole crowd goes so loud.
John Savage, rap extraordinaire.
I'm really disappointed in us
for doing that, actually,because we all suck.
Let's get very aggressively.
One that might get cutshouldn't.
Have don't dissolution.They're bad. That was.
But I know the words.
It was pretty. Bad.
(18:15):
Over the next few daysin the Bell household,
the sounds would get worsethrough each night,
becoming louderand lasting longer
until eventuallythey started to be
heard from within the houseitself.
The Bell children would say thatit sounded
as thoughrats were gnawing on their bed
posts, of course, withoutany rats being found inside.
As it progressed, thefamily started to hear something
invisible, gulpingand choking through the night,
(18:37):
which I can'timagine was great to listen to.
As they tried to sleep, look up.
That sounds awful.
It can you imagine?
We think we hear thatfrom the cats every so often.
Yeah, that'sthat's them vomiting.
But the
and then you jump out of bed
to try and put somethingunderneath to capture the spew.
(18:58):
Did I tell you about stills
behind me in a meetingthe other day?
I so I want.
A meeting with the UKlike the owners of our business,
and they run methrough this portal
and I'm like, oh yeah, you know,
blah blah blah, very business,very business.
Stills is lyingacross the desk in front of me.
No. She just gets up,casually walks away like normal,
like, oh, okay.
(19:19):
And then just in the doorway ofmy office, she's there.
Just,
Bree comesrunning to try and get it.
And she's like, oh,I can't walk in.
Oh, no, I can't help.
And then stills just.
All over the groundball on me and like,
I'm on this meetingthe whole time.
So I'm just sitting there like,quietly muting myself.
(19:42):
And then she came out.He had tried to be on the couch.
Great times.
Had had to smell thatuntil the end of the meeting.
I'll tell you what,
my alarmwill go off in the mornings
and I'll snooze ita couple of times,
and I'll get right out of bedvery slightly.
I hear my cat starting to vomit.
I'm out of bed.
Quick smile.I just need to change my alarm.
Santa, that noise. It. I'm up.
Yeah. It'll get you. Yeah.
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Things would escalatein the coming days
as the children would startto experience their bed sheets
being ripped off themby an unseen force,
as well as their pillowssmacking them in the face.
The children were nowbeing tormented so much
they were unable to sleep intheir own bed. Yeah, that would.
Yeah, that would suck.
Yeah, even if it wasn'tactually happening.
(20:22):
But the children believethat was happening.
Like having to deal with that.
Not for them as a parent.
Yeah, I can imagine
an especially unnervingescalation was when the entity
developed a voice,a disembodied voice of a woman.
It started to be heardthroughout the house
and would eventually becomeclearer,
singing, quoting scriptureand having conversations
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with thosethat would speak to it.
It would even start to namepeople in the house, showing
more disdain for some membersof the family than others.
John Bell was now convincedthat they were dealing
with a witch,
and would set out to uncoverthe truth
of what was harassing them.
So yeah, at this point, it'sbasically just at night.
They're just gettinglike hounded all every night.
(21:06):
And so John's like,hey let's get some of them.
They approach us from my church
out hereand we'll sort this thing out.
Yeah.
So they start showing up.
He was an elder at the church.Yeah.
And they are goingto communicate with this entity
that would come to the homeand call out to the entity
which would reveal when askedthat its name was Kate.
It also revealedanother tidbit of information
(21:28):
that would interest John Bell.
Kate wanted to kill John Bell.
So she's like, you
off with your head mate, off.
With your headto the guillotine.
To the guillotine,
which was in good useat this point, wasn't it?
1817.
1817 yeah.
Bit 17 I guess the reign ofTerror was only 13 months.
(21:51):
So it wasI think it was 1786, 87.
Yeah. So we'rejust outside of that. Yeah.
When askedwhy she wanted to kill John,
Kate would simply reply,he is a bad, bad man.
After this, John would decideto consult with his best friend
James Johnson
as to what he should do.
James obviouslyhadn't been around
(22:12):
for much of what was goingon, and was so
and so was pretty skeptical.
When John explainedwhat had been happening,
James would asked
to spend the nightat his friend's house
to seewhat was happening for himself,
and as you would expect, thatwould turn out to be a bad idea.
He would experience the noises,his bedsheets being ripped off
him and his pillowsbeing thrown around.
Choking him, gagging noises. He.
(22:37):
That's what,
we rememberthe worst bit is the choking.
Yeah. Gulping.
Just like, hey,
Google, play choking noisesat 1:30 a.m..
Don't allow that to happen.
Real,
James would even be slappedby the spirit during the night.
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The spirits was like,you're back.
The next morning,James would tell
John thatit was clearly an evil spirit
and that he should continueto ask for help from the church.
When did he become an expert?
Also, I love how he's just like,yeah, yeah, probably
just keep talking to the church,right? Yeah.
It's like,keep doing what you were doing.
Yeah. Thanks for your help.
Thanks, Jimmy.
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Really?
You heard that one?
Yeah. Real eye opener.
Despite John being the maintarget, Kate would torment
other family, other membersof the family as well.
Betsy would find herself
the target of much of Kate'srage, feeling
as though she was being stuckwith needles,
slapped and scratchedacross the back and punched.
This would go on for
(23:41):
days, but sometimes the spiritwould become suddenly nurturing,
promising her that she wouldn'thurt her again, and Betsy
even reporting being softlypatted on the cheek.
The bipolar spiritdid seem to have an agenda
with Betsy, though,
being angered every timeshe spent time with her fiancé,
neighbor Joshua Gardner.
(24:01):
Feel like he missedan opportunity.
The bipolar spiritI feel like could gone
with Poltergeist or Poltergeist?
Yeah. By Poltergeistit's pretty good.
The by Poltergeist spiritdid seem to have an.
Agenda with Betsy. Though.
Yes. She assists from.
Sure.
The attacks against her wouldintensify after she saw Joshua,
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and Kate would make threatsagainst the two.
Eventually,the relationship between the two
would be the first victimof the haunting,
as Betsywould call off the wedding
to try and protect herselfand Joshua,
as wellas the rest of the family.
Oh nine yeah,
that's not just an ex-girlfriendtrying to break up a wedding.
Oh no, I do have some theoriesthat I get into like.
(24:58):
So. Kate is
starting to become a bit famousby this point.
As the attacks from Kateescalated,
her fame would start to spreadwith people
from all over the regionstarting to want to get a feel
for what was going on.
People from all over Tennesseeand Kentucky in particular,
would start to visit the farmto try and catch
a glimpse of the activitybrought on by Kate.
(25:21):
Ghostbusters 1817 Ghostbusters.
Who are you going to call?
Are they going to takethree months
to get there by horse and cart?
This only seemed to make Katestronger and gave the entity
more opportunityto share what it was.
It's very similar to,
the Annabelle doll.
I mean, likeyou, I did think that. Yeah.
(25:44):
That was the.
Was that spooky spectacularnumber one.
Might have been number one.Yeah.
Oh, no.
No, that was the movies.
Right? It was number two.It was, I think Annabelle two.
Oh, it was part of the movie'sone, two, one. Was it?
Yeah. Might have been a movie.
It was a mentallybecause we had the movies,
we had the skeletonsand the like. We had,
Still the grossest thingyou ever told me,
(26:07):
So someone would ask Katewhere she had come from
and the entity would reply,I am a spirit.
Sorry,
I am a spirit.
I was once very happy,but I have been disturbed
and made happy.
So in lovethat I am the spirit of a person
who was buried in the woodsnearby.
And the grave was disturbed.
(26:29):
My bonesdisinterred and scattered
and one of my teeth was lostunder this house.
I am herelooking for that tooth.
On these specific.
Yes, thiswas like a voice that come back.
They weren't using a Ouija boardor anything. No.
So basically she was just trying
to steal the tooth fairiesjob. Yeah.
Honestly,if a ghosts said to me, hey,
(26:50):
I just want to find my toothunder. Yeah. House.
I'm digging up underneath there.
I'd be like,all right, I'll help you out.
Yeah, I find you. Just.
You don't have to haunt me. No,I don't have to slap me like.
I do have to go to work.
And I want tostill have a social life.
I'll help you find the tooth.
The tooth isn'tin the bedsheets.
Stop ripping them off.
Yeah, you've checked here.
And also, you.
Didn't have to just ask.
Like you can obviously talk.
(27:10):
So I'mtrying to slap my tooth out.
You don't have to lose me.
Yours. I'm a niceguy. I'll just help you out.
Yeah.
In any case, Kate seemed to feedon the fear of those
that came to visit
with the level of violenceagainst those in the house
and nearby, increasing,the more people came to visit.
Some people would decideto try and test Kate,
(27:30):
with one man in particular
named Frank Mylesasking to challenge the witch
by staying the night.Not a good idea.
Yeah, we've just finishedsaying we'd be super helpful.
Yeah. And these guys, like.
Know you're a bit of a bitch.
I well, again,drawing parallels to Annabel.
Remember that one bloke
like, tested Annabel outand then they had,
like, a car accident on the wayhome. Yeah.
(27:50):
They got seriously injuredor died. One of the two.
Yeah.
So Frank Myles claimedhe was too big and strong at
seven feet tall and 300 poundsto be scared by the weak.
Sean. Yes,I know you're skeptic.
Yes, but in this situation,are you challenging in spirit?
Are you taking that risk?
No, because I'm a skeptic,but I'm a scaredy cat.
(28:11):
I'm all.
I'm the same way. I'm like,you know, I don't believe it.
I don't think I want to risk it.Yeah.
Why risk?
I'm a I'm a six foot two man
with, like, pretty,all right skills.
I still don't walk downdark alleys. Do I know?
Because I'm scared. The dark,like it's just what you do.
That's what I mean. That's whyI ask you the question.
You not believe in it,but are you going to tempt it?
No. When I take that.
(28:32):
Risk what's there to be gained.
So check the cupboards inmy house and I'm, I'm by myself.
Still the skeptic.Still going to check.
Still runs out of the door24 hours a day.
Oh my god. So I want to check.
Turn the light off.
You run out of the room.Yeah, I still check.
All I know, all the specificlight switches in my house.
So if I need to go to the other
end of the house,I know in what sequence I need.
(28:52):
To tell for.
My bedroom light,then the hallway light,
and then the one for the lantern
in the kitchen is the wrong one.
Large room in the kitchen
and then around the cornerof the toilet
at the backof the house of good,
and then I turn them offin succession. As I. Walk back.
I know you were spookedby the dog.
I've always been spookedby the duck.
Yeah, thereyou go. Yeah, my my thing.
Exceptwhen I'm actually in the dark
for long periods of timethat I'm all right.
I will tell you onething about the doc that's,
(29:17):
I wouldn'tsay struggle, but, like,
something that is difficult
because we've had kidsfor such a long time.
We've always had a loton a night for the kids
when they've been away.
And I've been in the houseby myself,
like sleepingwith all the lights off
in the house, like thathasn't happened in years.
So it's very strange.
Yeah.
(29:37):
My grandparents house.
You've been there? Yeah.
You wouldn't have been.
It's been like that.
And it's like a big L-shape.
And it's like thisold brick house and
during the day, fine.
If it's night time,
the, the house is likean L-shaped.
(29:59):
Right.
This part is the bit thateveryone lives in all the time.
It's got the living room,the kitchen, the main bedrooms.
This part is like a, a library,
a rumpus room, garage and two.
Bedrooms.So all the speaking rooms, all.
The space. It's.
It has a presence.
Like, I don't likebeing out there alone.
And I will not go out therealone if I can avoid it.
(30:20):
Yeah.
And everyone I've spoken tohas said the same thing,
like my grandparentshave always.
We're always falling in there.
But my dad, my mum,my cousins, my aunties,
they're all like, yeah,I avoid going out there.
It's creepy
and I've never felt anythinglike that anywhere else.
There are places for methat I've been
to that I felt uneasy in,
(30:43):
the old mental
hospice atthe top of the hill in Ipswich.
You know where the velodromeused to be? Yeah.
It's like a three storey house.Yeah, yeah,
I when I was workingfor the state government,
the mental hospital
or hospice had where I'd movedout to that new building
and we went in there
to clear out some like stuffand whatever.
And itthe whole place had a presence
(31:03):
like it was just creepy.
Yeah, yeah.
Mine comes from an absolutedistrust of human beings.
Like, I'm like,I haven't checked this place, so
the chances of some crackthat homeless person attacking
me are far too high. Like.
And that that's my thing.
It's like I haven't
physically checkedor cleared this place,
so I have no certaintythat it is empty.
(31:24):
You never know.
I've bumped into my friendin there.
Too many homeless peopleor people that are just never
being nefarious over the years.And I'm just.
My feelings were kind ofwasn't like that.
It was more likestepping into like, soup.
Like you could feel something.
That's whatmy grandparents places like.
You can't put your finger on it.
There'snothing that you can point to
that is like that scary.
(31:46):
It's just uncomfortable.
It's like, yeah, riding through,like, thick.
Then you just feel.
The tunnel in New Zealand?
Yes. Yeah, I actually, yeah.
But I was having that feeling
that you just described of like,
I think there's somebodyin the dark further.
Yeah. It wasn't that I couldn'tput my finger on it.
I knew
I feel like there's somethingfurther along in this tunnel.
(32:07):
We went to this, this tunnel
that was supposed to have glowworms in it.
It was a 400 meter.
Oh, I was long tunnel.
It's just pouredthrough a mountain.
Pitch black as like a water.Yeah.
Yeah, even during the day, it.
But yeah.
So we walked for, like,40 minutes
to get this thing,and we went inside
and as soon aswe went in fly maggots.
(32:27):
We only had our phone lights,so they didn't. Oh.
So this wasn'tlike a ticketed thing?
No. No sweat and family Guyby your side.
It's on a hot day, right?
Yeah.
40 minutes from the town, likeon a hike up to the mountain.
So we walked deep enough into it
where we thoughtthat they'd be glow worms. And,
The couple.
(32:48):
Yeah, we saw them.
But I rememberjust saying to Shaun,
I don't want to be in hereanymore.
I'm worried aboutwhat's ahead of us. Yeah.
So we both turned aroundlike big manly men,
and rain got out of therevery quickly.
It was also like six inchesof water in the bottom of it.
Oh, we were avoidinggetting our fate too wet.
To just coming in. Yeah.
No, it was raining.
(33:08):
It's on the West coast.
If you've ever been to the westcoast of New Zealand,
it basically just never stopsraining. That was great.
But then when we got out,we saw deer on the road
and it was a lovely moment.Oh, yeah.
Train.
It's a hectic tunnel, but, for
some supplemental, supplemental,supplemental content,
I can send you the photothat I took
of youcoming out of that tunnel.
(33:29):
Great photo.
Or alternative way.
I think I've got a photo on filmof the creepy ass
entrance to this creepy tunnel.
It's quiteit's quite a long tunnel.
It's, like severalhundred meters long.
We probably got,like, 100m into it.
Yeah, maybe. Yeah.
So what happened to all my.
Who tested the witch?
So the Bell familywould agree to him
spending the night with Miles,
spending the eveningin the spare room.
(33:51):
It wouldn't even bea whole night before the bell.
Familyworld, woken by Miles screams
as he sprinted around the house,terrified of Kate
before he shut the door,never to return.
Oh that's awesome.
So he shut out the door andhe was gone for a little bit.
Yeah, yeah yeah, you.
(34:12):
Another notablevisitor to the home was none
other than futurepresident Andrew Jackson.
Yeah.
Who at the time was an armygeneral.
Not the same Jackson.
No, it's from the song.I'm just trying out Jackson.
I'm trying to take it.
Well, it's just, Oh.
And for eels,I saw this one name one time.
(34:32):
That was, Eight oh meals.
I was tryingto, have an educated guess
of what number presidenthe would have been.
Andrew Jackson is on the
$20 note $50 night.
And ifonly somebody could check that.
Yeah,it was in the title slap game.
You could you check that?
Boys don't care what numberpresidents.
(34:52):
Andrew Jackson
I'm going to say he'sin like the, the it's the 1800s.
So I'm going to sayhe's in like the 20s.
I would have said 17. 30s maybe.
He was the seventh US president.
Where is that he. Yep.
I guessbecause the Civil War was only.
Yep. So he was the seventh USpresident, serving
from 1829 to 1837.
(35:14):
Before his presidencygained fame as a general
in the US Army and servedboth houses of the US Congress.
Often praised for his advocateof ordinary Americans
and for his work inpreserving the union of states.
Jackson also was criticizedfor his racial policies,
particularly his treatmentof Native Americans.
UN surprising.
Something.
Three of the Bell sonswould serve under Jackson,
(35:35):
which is howhe heard of the haunting.
And he would make the decision
to visit the familyfarm in 1819.
That's right.
The haunting by this pointhad been going on for two years.
For a long time.
That's a long time.When do you get a good sleep.
When you just burn the housedown and build another house.
That's what I was thinking.
Just move it is the $20 bill.
There you go, boss.
Just move.
(35:55):
It's not that hardlike it's the 1800s.
Just go somewhereand build something.
Just a a couple treesdown. Stand them up.
You gotta house. Done.
Log cabin now plays myplate. Minecraft notes today.
I logged on.
I've played. Minecraft.
Did you say Mein Kampf?
No, not the bookthat Hitler wrote.
He said Minecraft with an accentand a rolled.
(36:17):
I know, I know. Oh,I still enjoyed this afternoon.
I love that video.
He, I downloaded Minecraftonto his laptop.
He's one of us now.
I love that video.The father gives.
The grandfathergives the present to the son.
What is this? It's Minecraft.
The book that Hitler wroteis Minecraft, you idiot.
Minecraft?
Surely that's staged.
(36:38):
It's so funny, Andrew Jackson.
Did he run outlike a little bitch to.
Oh, these little bottomfrom being small.
Okay. Jackson wanted toinvestigate for himself.
Is that. Bottom John?
Did they bottomhis little bottom?
And he brought his men, horsesand lodge wagon to Red River.
Actually,I think this is the part
I have heardthat he brought up over.
Like a cavalry and.
(36:59):
Yeah, yeah, like a small army.
They didn't even needto reach the property
before the fun started,with the wagon
becoming inexplicably stuckon the road outside of town,
despitehaving no obvious breakage
or being stuck on anything,
the horses couldn'tmove the wagon an inch.
After a few minutes,the witch would speak,
audible enough for everyonein the group to say,
(37:20):
all right, general,let the wagon move on.
I will see you again tonight.
After this moment,
the wagon was freed and ableto move again.
I'm out.
Yeah. That point, I'm gone.
This turn. Around? Yeah.Just turn around. Darn.
I actually don'twant to see you again.
Yeah, this has been enough.
Despite this, Jacksonand the men continued
(37:41):
on, possibly
even more interestedin what they were to find.
Yeah,this is the part I've heard.
Yep. Continue.
They would never quitemake it to the farmhouse,
though,as they camped out for the night
nearby, ready to headto the house in the morning.
During the night,one of the members of the party
decided to taunt the witchby telling everyone
that he was a witchhunter. Idiot, and that he is.
(38:02):
Going to take her down.
Why would you, why would you,why would you?
It's it's a story
that sounds almost exactlylike a horror movie. Yeah.
Like everyone that's like.
Yeah, I'm not scared of witches.
They're the first one to. He'sthe first one to die. Yeah.
Just put the target on yourself.
A sign.
This guy pulled out a pistolequipped with a silver bullet.
(38:23):
Maybe not.
And tried to firedinto the woods as a warning.
Strangely to witch,not a werewolf.
You map. It? Yeah,I know that's sooner.
Strangely, it wouldn't fire.
And no matter what he didto clean and re chamber it,
he couldn't get it to go on.
It only fired
when he pointed at himselfand looked at the barrel.
Soon after,
he would be struck by spasms inwhat would look like a seizure.
(38:46):
Eventuallyhe would run from the camp
and the rest of the soldiers.
Jackson included, would decide.
That's probably enough.
And escape from Kate in a runback to Nashville.
Good job, general,future president of America.
And then he went onto have that very successful no.
Which policy? Yeah,
it's the Seventh Amendmentin it.
(39:06):
All witches shall be banned.
No. Witchcraft and witchcraft.
The United States saysno to witchcraft.
It was now 1923 yearsafter the haunting had started.
With all the attentionon the property,
the intensity of the attackson the family had increased,
seemingly with Kate
gaining power from the attentionof the community.
(39:29):
Everything had clearly takena toll on John Bell,
but it would start to get worse
as he started to experiencestrange sensations in his face
with tingling and the feelingof stabbing pains.
He also started to experiencedifficulty swallowing
and eventually startedhaving erratic
and uncontrolled body movements.
He's the onethat night making the noises.
Start making those noises.
(39:50):
It's too sexual.
This is a family podcast.
What he's talking about, he'schoking on his own tongue.
The sounds you're making, tooconsistent
in their.
Eyes because they. Rhythmic.
Yeah.
Yeah, they're too consistent.
Their thickness. No.
Change it up a bit.
(40:10):
Knock knock to knockknock knock.
Better.
One third.Check it out. Says no.
The choking noises. Yeah.
Sorry.
If you're choking on a peanut,that guy's not going to.
Start helping. You. It startswith, hey, he doesn't end in.
Not though.
Oh, maybe it does go for.
Pretty good.
And we've got demonetized. Yeah.
(40:33):
We now have to put the explicittag on our podcast.
Oh, I said it, Sean.
All right.
So now our sponsorshipshave open back up again.
Yeah.We're taking presents. Right.
If you don't knowwhat that is, don't look it up.
(40:53):
Don't look it up
I mean, no,I don't know what it is. What?
What is it, Sean?
All right.
I holier than thou.
John Bell was now 70 years old,almost as old as our John.
And stuff.
It was still infor the same voice.
You got that written down?
No. Oh, no,that was off the dome. Yeah.
(41:13):
Rocky, because he's over theretaking personal.
If you had that with him.
I'm just deleting something.
Don't worry.
On December 19th, 1820.
John. My birthday, 1920.
John would fall into a coma.
And on the morning of December20th,
he would be founddead by the family in his bed.
(41:36):
John.
John laughing,but that he just died.
Not so t he now John Juniorwould be horrified to find
a strange and unexplained blackliquid in a vial in the room,
and on finding the vial,
the family would hearthe laughter of Kate the witch
and eventually her voicetaking credit
for John's demise by poisoning
(41:56):
the family,would test the black liquid
on a cat,assholes, and eventually.
Why would they put it there?
And unfortunately for the cat,the black liquid did into
it did indeedturn out to be poison.
John's funeral would beone of the largest ever held
in Robertson County, with people
coming from milesaway in the area.
Many knew him personally,
(42:17):
but many more knew himas the man
who had been hauntedby the witch.
The funeral itselfwas a solemn affair,
but as soon as it was over
and people were leavingthe venue, laughter
could be heard from the treesnearby.
Cheesyif you're watching show no.
What?
You can't have.
A I think Apollosis at about seven.
(42:37):
Yeah. If they're getting caughton camera.
Yeah. Two ofthem have been Apollos fall.
He's madeyour eye and stuff over him.
Weak to all forms of your ownchains.
Bonnie yawns. I'm done.
Not long after the funeral,
the family was sitting in the
houseand heard the voice of Kate
telling themthat she would be leaving now,
but would be back in seven yearstime.
(42:59):
My work is done. Yeah.
After you dad.See you in seven years.
Go on vacation?
Yeah, I'm going to Bermuda.
Yeah, I'm go to the Hawaii Bay,
Honolulu Beachfor a little bit of relaxing.
Yeah, a bit.
Ana, our our night really.
Restless and haunting.And haunting.
Rest and haunted rest haunts.
Sure enough,the children would report that
(43:21):
seven years later, the sameknocking, scratching
and shakingsounds would start to be heard.
Oh, now I got the ones.
It wouldn't get to the samelevel though, as it seems.
She just wanted to chatwith John Junior
and make some noise, this time
leaving and sayingshe would return in 1935.
From herethe story starts to become hazy,
as some say
(43:42):
she never returnedand some descendants
of the familysay she never left.
She just reduced the hauntingactivity.
Today,
many people
flock to the old familyfarm to see the Bell Witch Cave,
which wasn't really partof the original haunting,
but is simplythe only part of the property
that would stilllook as it did back then.
People report seeing and hearingsupernatural spooky activity,
(44:04):
though of course, no definitiveproof has ever been found.
Time for some theories, I think.
Now that you mentioned that,like the return in seven years,
I have definitely heardthis story before. Yeah,
since we got the cat here.
Do you ever get spooked outby cats? No.
Okay.
All right.
Because I know thatthey're just little idiots, so.
But sometimes, like,the cat will be sitting there
(44:25):
and the cat will be,like, sitting
and like he's at attentionat something
just staring into the top cornerof the roof.
There's nothing there like,what the hell are you staring
at? And I can do even spookierwhen they got like.
Yep. My headphonesjust dropped out.
And you kick them out.
Classic.
It's even spooky when they likestaring at something.
(44:46):
And then I, like,look like they follow something
and you're like, it'snothing. They.
What are you watching?
Or hearing or somethinglike that. Yeah.
So sometimes the kitty cats
spooky for me.
Just a tiny bug.Percy barks at nothing.
Sometimes there's a freak.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Cause I don't reckoncats can see like ultraviolet.
Yeah, yeah.
(45:06):
Infrared.
I love the ideathat animals can see
more than we can,and they just, like.
Or hear more or smell more.
Yeah, yeah, it's pretty cool.
It's like living.
Living in, like, homo sapiensbias that theoretically,
the only things that we can seeor hear,
then the things that existfor so long.
Yeah, has created such a weird
(45:27):
sort of sensation of like,oh, yeah,
it's like the whole thingabout dogs. Colorblind.
No, they just see a differentspectrum of colors that way.
You say.
It's like it's.
They obviouslyyou can see some color,
but it's likethey're colorblind.
No they're not,they just see different colors.
Colors, a human thing.Yeah. Like that.
But even even this concept of,you know, visible light spectrum
(45:48):
that's just based off. Yeah.
The human eyes, we have no idea.
Like we can theorizeabout other.
Dark spectrums we can't see.
But that's the thing.Even they can't.
But even this,this concept of like color
and where it intersectswith the with the, the,
the spectrum of photonsand visible,
that's something that we came upwith. Science bit.
Yeah.
This science
science bitch moment like that'sjust something that we came up
(46:11):
with.
Like it's not like we can'tactually physically quantify
this, this spectrum of light.
Like, that's just whatthis type of eyeball can see.
It's not as if we'rediscovering, okay, this rock
is this thingbecause this is a physical rock
like we're talking about.
We've createdthis spectrum of measuring light
and how many photon like wavesand formats
(46:31):
is purelybased on what we can interpret.
If we caninterpret it, it's not there.
All right.
Time for. Space.
Time for some spooky theories.
Well, I've only got two hours.
Yeah.
Because I think that onlytwo of them really make sense.
Okay. All right.
The first one is aliens.No theory.
One is, of course,that it never happened
(46:52):
and has beena fictionalized account
that was writtenmany years later.
Most of the information we haveon The Haunting
comes from a bookthat was written
by MartinVan Buren Ingram in 1894.
Bold.
And this is what makes it seemso very true.
Authenticated history of theBell, which authenticated.
It's a bookand it says authenticated.
(47:12):
What must be true?
It was written 73 yearsafter the end of the initial
haunting meaning.
Not only was Ingram not there,he wasn't even born right.
He based his workon the diary of Richard Bill,
one of the Bellchildren, Dick Bell.
Yep, who was bornat the time of the Haunting
(47:32):
and didn't sorry, who was born,
who was a boyat the time of the Haunting
and didn't even write down
the events until 30 yearsafter they occurred.
Additionally, Andrews, Jackson,Andrews, Jackson's Andrew
Jackson's whereabouts in 1814to 1820 are very well documented
and at no time is a visitto Robertson County mentioned.
(47:53):
There is
also no mention of John Bell'sdeath in any historical record,
so there is no way to verifythe events that transpired
around his death.
Okay. Theory two.
It actually did happen.
My personal favorite.
Okay. So the story theories,third theory.
It's all true. Yeah.
But theory twoand my personal favorite
is that the whole thing
(48:14):
was fabricated by the bellsto try and get someone killed.
Isn't this just the. Okay,
this whole ordeal happened
not long after the period
where women would be killedfor just the accusation
of being a witch.
Yeah,
you may remember that the spirithad said its name was Kate.
Well, JohnBell had a neighbor called Kate.
That's
who was already viewed
(48:35):
with suspicion of witchcraftfor strange behavior.
And she had a feud.
She also had a brother in law,Benjamin,
who had a business dealgo south with John Bell.
In the past,
the business deal just happenedto be over the sale of a slave.
So they're all just pieces of.
While Kateobviously denied all accusations
that she was involvedin witchcraft,
(48:56):
it seemed too good
of a coincidencethat the witch was called Kate.
My theory is that John hadcreated the story to discredit
and potentially have killedKate.
That's to make up for the deal
that went south with herbrother in law.
Perhaps the rest of the storygrew from John's lies,
with the failureto have her killed causing him
to escalate the storieshe told until his death.
(49:17):
That makes sense, because,
like you said,it become very famous.
A lot of people traveled to liketo see it and experience.
The other theory that I came upwith while
we were recording this episode.
So then did actually the otherpeople or what they like,
because there was the one personwho was John Smith's body.
Yeah, he could potentially be inon it.
(49:38):
Sorry. Yeah.
But there were the other ranwhere they ran.
Thosethat just come and visited.
Yeah.
But like,
it'd be pretty easy to spooksomeone in your own house.
Yeah. Especially backthen. Yeah. Fair enough.
But my,
my other theory that I came up
with whilewe were recording Betsy.
What if John just didn'tlike Betsy's partner?
Like, what if he just didn'tlike Betsy's fiancee?
(50:00):
Oh, the day that broke.Yeah, yeah.
So he's like, well,
let's just spook her outso much that she calls it off.
But then why continue?
It wasn't the ghost sayingthat she was haunting for
the point of Betsy to be engagedto garner the forever.
No, she was hauntingagainst the engagement.
Like things got worse whenshe spent time with him. And.
(50:21):
Okay,like she would say things to.
Her about it.
But then why continueafter they'd broken up?
Maybe it was just a little fungame. Okay.
Or maybeit was a combination of both.
Maybe he was like,oh, maybe I can get this Kate
woman killed.
And I can also get Betsyto break off her engagement.
Yeah, okay.
Two birds, one stone. Yeah.
Whatever the case, the bell.
(50:42):
Which story has continuedto fascinate
thosewith the supernatural interest.
And many still tell the storyto this day
as an example of why
you should just
leave in these situations
rather than stick it outto the bitter end.
Also,I'm pretty sure the gift shop at
that cave does pretty well.
And that what did they sell?
Black vials?
I would assume that they sellall kinds of crap.
(51:02):
Okay, but.
That is the storyof the Bell Witch.
And if you heard that buzz,that was Kate
making an appearanceon the podcast.
I went and saw a scream filmthis year.
Did you?
Yeah, that'sthe only spooky thing I've done.
And that's not even spooky.That's just a slasher.
I don't do spooky.
Scream is goodbecause it's just a slasher.
(51:24):
I, nothing that I did by the,Dead Space remake this year.
So I do do spooky.
No, though.
Shortest. Shortest noted. Deadspace.
Hell, put it on the listfor Cheeky pi.
Sean Price, dead space.Sorry, not.
Get the bait button ready,but hell fever.
I'll be playing Dead Space.
No, no, there's no way it's you.
(51:46):
Nope. And, 0% chance.
And we're going to be on thecouch next to you, watching you.
You got a better chance of megoing to work
carrying a bone Minecraft swordthan me playing Dead Space.
Interesting,interesting, interesting.
Interesting video.
You got to get to bed. Choose
the foam Minecraft diamondsword to take to work. Or.
(52:06):
Play. One hour of Dead Space.
I said. You go to the.Minecraft movies coming out.
I said.
I said, you got a better chance.
Not what are the chances?
Like you get a battle?
It sure sounds likeyou've only got two choices.
I put that on the list.
Sean.
Playing DeadSpace is going to be coming out.
One has to
finish the Dead Space game,
or he has to wear a minecraftbackpack to work every day
(52:30):
for a year.
Yeah.
We once we get the cheeky
to chat, cheeky playsstuff up and running.
It's a. Fun concept.
I've barely used the same clipas for a year, let alone
take a minecraft backpackto work for a year.
We'll just buy Dead Space then.
Yeah, all you have to dois finish Dead Space.
You don't evenhave been to an hour.
(52:50):
You don't even have to buy it.It's on Game Pass.
What whatwhat. Happened to an hour?
Why is. Oh, this is. This now.
Very quickly.
You know, planets,aliens and stuff.
Spooky. But I, Okay.
And I don't like. Seeing DeadSpace.
It's awful.
And haven't played.
The first time I playeda little bit of Dead Space.
I played the Dead Spacethree demo with me.
Yeah, it's not like jumpscare.
(53:11):
Not the chilling.
Okay, what about BioShock?
I don't like posh.
UntilI'm hearing is a lot of games.
There's a. Couple to make sureI. Didn't mind.
BioShock infiniteI didn't like it is.
BioShock infinite is not spooky.
The first BioShock isa spooky guy.
Yeah, I played about a thirdof it, went, this is awful.
All I'm feeling.
If you look to get some spooks,
(53:32):
hit up BioShock or Dead Space.
I'm feeling an idiotabroad style show
where someone has to play games
that he definitely doesn'twant to play.
It just feels like it's going
to turn into me doing thingsthat make me uncomfortable.
You know.
Or just walls me up in general.
So it's going to be an endlessshow, you know?
It's going to be a good onefor jumpscares, for sure.
On whatis an all game called fear
(53:55):
first
come on, first encounter, actionresponse unit or something.
I remember that game.
Yeah.
Maybe we just getting playingSlenderman
now. I don't like anything to dowith that Slenderman stuff.
Yeah, it was all very. Don't.
I don't like slime.
I don't like a lot of it.It's all.
I don't even like the Babadookmovie.
I don't like any of that.
(54:16):
Super spooky.
Just, makes my skin grow.
Oh. Hide it.
I'm a skeptic, but I hide it.
It doesn't seem like he'svery much of a skeptic now.
Like he'sgot a healthy appreciation
for whathe doesn't have to deal with.
Yeah, I'm a skeptic, butI hate all that spooky stuff.
I don't like.
I don't like watching itor experiencing it,
but I'm a skeptic, you know?
What about the first alienmovie? Not.
(54:38):
I don't likehorror movies. Horror movie.
Horror movie or thriller horror.
It's both.
It's more like a sci fi horror.
Yeah. Yeah.
Anyway, actually,he tells Pod on Facebook,
Twitter and Instagram.
Sean Powers Alien Isolation.
Actually does part on Facebook,Twitter and Instagram.
I refuse to call it ex again.I've decided.
(54:59):
Hello buddy.
Be there for the intro.
Matt. Hello.
We will have some supplementalcontent there, so.
All right, look at this. It'sfull of bloody.
These are the medicationsthis afternoon in
Sao Paulo is a little bita little bit off.
Is not.
Don't. Demonetized again.
On that ganja.
(55:20):
We will be back in a fortnight.
We will have another episodeor be John's episode.
Yeah.
And I guess we will see youthen for when.
We have an episode.
Are we just going to releasea video playing Dead Space?
Just an hour of Sean screaming,
hey, either way, we will see you
then it's not going to be Seanscreaming.
It's not going to be Seanscreaming or playing dead
space wood.
Spooky night cheekydudes or spooky spooky good.
(55:43):
Not 0% spooky
fun. So spooky.
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