October 8, 2024 • 49 mins
You know the saying 'a kernal of truth'? Well this week we find the little kernals in a bunch of Fairy Tales, as John takes Aaron through the true stories behind some of our favourite Fairy Tales. Shout out to the Brothers Grimm! Find the video version on Youtube! https://www.youtube.com/@CheekyTalesPod
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Okay, I'll tell you.
Do you know the muffin man?
The muffin man?
The muffin man.
Yes, I know the muffin man.
Who lives on Drury Lane?
Well,she's married to the muffin man.
The muffin man?
The muffin man!
She's married to the muffin man.
My lord!We found it.
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Well, then what areyou waiting for?
Bring it in!
Who does know the muffin man?
Well,I thought I knew the muffin man.
Well, the storythat originated the fairy tale.
Turns out maybe I didn't.
What I thoughtwas the real story behind
the fairy tale is actually justunconfirmed
Urban legend. Good.
However, there are some fairytales based on real stories
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or real people.
And on this fortnight's episode,
we are doinga medley of those tales.
Welcome to Cheeky ‘Real’ Tales?
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We love a medley on this show.
We love medley.
Madly, madly, madly.
Oh, boy.
It's,it's customary for my episode
to get all the banter, so let's.
Let's band.
Where do you want to start?Let's bet.
Seize the. Day. Don't. Oh, yeah.
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Good one.
Oh, the Lord will even.
Talk about that prior to it.
Which is crazybecause I am a huge AFL fan.
It was four weeks ago.It was before the.
And, before.The semis, wasn't it?
Yeah.Before the AFL finals started.
I certainly didn't say it.
What a turnaroundfrom, last year.
Lost by one. Point.
Win by 60 by the.
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Yeah. Huge game.
And it was very fun
to watch the Lions
just systematically destroythe Swans.
It was
excellent for onceto watch a grand final
that your local team is in.
I'm not gonna say my teamthat I support.
I like the. Local team and.
Not be worried about them losing
because they arejust smashing it.
Yeah, I had the same feelingwhen the Bucs were winning
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the Super Bowl and they just.
I don't thinkthey even gave up a touchdown.
Yeah.
You just get comfortableand you can really enjoy it.
Yeah.
You just know that there's
a group of peoplethat are having the worst day,
and you're not because of them.
And it's also interesting.
Interestingbecause I was listening
to the radio this week and, the,
the radio showI listen to has like, a trivia
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quiz.
One of the questions was,who won the men's BBL last year?
And the person was like,oh, the Sixers.
Do you remember who won?
Was it Brisbane?It was Brisbane.
Yeah, we've.Totally forgot Brisbane, right?
We lost two grand finalsand they finally won one for us.
Do you know what?I'm kind of forgotten about it.
I think because the BBLis so badly organized and run
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that whoever wins it is justwhoever can manage
to keep a team togetherfor the longest.
Like.
Yeah, we had a couple ofinternational superstars
come in, play a few gamesand then they were
they were on Australianduty at the final.
So yeah, I remember.
Like you have these superstarplayers playing
and then you get to the grandfinal and they all leave.
Yeah. Yeah.
I do remember watching the videoof like Usman Khawaja
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in his hotel room in India,watching the BBL final.
Yeah.
And he played the semi. Yeah.
How does that make sense.
So I find it very hard.
Obviously international duties.
Are. Prioritized.
Yeah.
But organize your comp aroundthat.
That's happening all the timeanyway so it's a bit hard.
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Yeah.
But like they also playedabout 400 games last year.
It was last yearthe year they shortened it.
Doesn't matter.
I think Rossi was the onethat's. Great for Brisbane.
We've got two now.
Broncos.
Let's not talk about that.
And if you want to talkabout teams
we don't want to talk abouthow about them Bengals.
We got to win. Yeah.
Well we're on a winstreak at the moment.
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You want him.That's better than the bucks.
But what do you four and one.
Three and one. Thank you.
We haven't had five rounds yet.
Through the fifth round.Just started. Yeah.
Well the Bucs did win.
Two to start. Yeah.
And then lostthe third to the Broncos.
And then that's. Why.
Betterthan losing to the Patriots.
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That's true.They are trash team.
But then yeah, the Bucs lostthe game on Friday.
That I was, outside watchingwhile I worked there.
All your friends are awayfor time for the.
How do you losefrom that position, anyway?
So we bring up the BengalsPatriots game.
Again,I know I asked you earlier about
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listening to regulation Pod.
They were doing an eliminationpic type of thing.
So the rules for that was likewith the community,
you pick one game each weekand you pick a team to win.
Yeah. Once that teams pick,you can't pick them again.
And to see how long you gothrough the Rams.
Yeah. Picking a winner. Yeah.
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And you can go all the wayto the Super Bowl with that.
Yeah. Theoretically Andrew.
First round went.
What's going to be assuringpatriots of trash.
He picked the Bengalsover the Patriots.
So they went out first.
Serves you right.
Serves youright for backing the Bengals.
I really do feel likewe're going to be four and,
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one and four after this week
because we're playing the Ravensthere.
Yeah. Decent team. Yeah.
But they they good for a rubbishloss too.
Okay.
They shouldthey should be undefeated.
But only one to.
Give me hopethen gives me hope. Yeah.
I'm on a bit of a winstreak in our fantasy league.
I've got three in a row here.Starting off pretty poorly.
Yeah. I don't know how I'm goingto do this.
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I'm three and one seven Rodgersguys tonight.
I'm three and one.
I lost my first game and oh.
How about that. For me?
I think. Wasn'tit like round one?
I said,
you know the Dolphins,it's too early for them to have
a quarterback outwith concussion. Yeah.
And then like five minutesinto the next game he's out.
Yeah. With concussionand hasn't been back. Yeah.
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And you also pickedAaron Rodgers.
And then like two weekslater had an amazing game.
And likewas the highest scoring.
And I had him on the bench.
Yeah I heardyou bring up your PC early.
We we need to give the audiencean update on your PC.
Yeah. So John came through.
John came through for me.
He, found a pack of screwsfor that particular model
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that I hadn't seen.That cost $3.
So I wentand purchased it that day
and had the PCup and running the next day.
And then what happened?
And then.
One company sent you a pack ofscrews, like, two years later.
I think it was a week later.
Two days later, I got the screwsfrom the company that I.
That made the parts.
(06:50):
And then this week, now some,what, six weeks after the fact,
I got the screws fromthe company that I bought the,
parts from. So.
No, thank you for that.
So how many space screws?
11 you had.
You were missing one.
Yeah. So it was.
Three from four, and now.
No, I
now I have 14.
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Yeah.
And and since thenyou've also got your,
15 local networkcomputer running. Yep.
So I set up a home serverthat took,
probably two weeks to get right.
It would keep doing this.
It's a it's a file server.
So, like a home,
like a like a big hard drivethat's on your network.
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And twice,it would fail in the middle
of transferring filesand just reboot itself.
And one time I was like,I'll just cancel
this file transferbecause I was just doing it
for speed testing and that,corrupted the entire thing.
So I had to rebuildthe whole thing. Gotcha.
Yeah.
But that's up and running.
And what's one of the
other major usesfor that server at the moment?
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You know, serious business.
Okay.
Okay.
We're running a minecraft.
I was like, that's another thingI could do with this.
Do we want to my mind.
I am partaking in that server,but I just just remember this
for a very expensive computerAaron has built for himself
with a top of the linegraphics card.
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And what is he playing on it?
Yeah. Minecraft across?
Yeah.
Look.
Could you haveplayed Minecraft to this day?
Did you out thereon your own computer?
Yeah.
Okay. Easily.
I have been using it for SpaceMarines as well, which has been
has been taxing it. Yeah,which is good.
So I'm not just playing crappyold games.
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Vice Marines is, a new gamethat's quite demanding.
And I'm glad you're having funbecause there's so much lore
and Warhammer 40 chariots again.
Yeah, just another dirty thingthat I've been into.
Anyway,I think that's it for chat.
I just got one more. Oh. Do you.
Do you remember, the sharethat I gave to I might?
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Yes. Yeah.I've had some feedback from him.
He found it absolutely hilariousthat you guys paid me up for
the share. That was it. Yeah.
Good. Cuz he hadn't. If.
Let's go.
But he had told. Him about it.
Well, he's clearly listening nowbecause I.
Appreciate that he's listening.Thank you.
You also haven't said his name.
I don't know his room. Cool.
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I think it's.
That it'sLuke. I do know his room.
I'm. It's Luke.She is Luke from Wales.
Yeah. There you go. All right.Under the topic at hand.
So we're going to quicklycover off the
the one that probably isn't true
that we startsaid at the start of the episode
if the internet chatteris to be to be believed.
Oh, we haven't addressedthat. Sean isn't here.
Oh, yeah.
Partial,actually, on this episode.
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No, Sean,
the pod of Seanwill be probably by him at chat
GPT this week, so.
I might chat.
Any questions?
We're going to flick it overto him and see what comes up.
So yeah, if the internet chatteris to be believed,
the Muffin Man, the MuffinMan nursery rhyme was created
as a warning for kidsto stay away from Drury Lane.
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So I'll be honest,I didn't know that
that was a nursery rhymeor a fairy tale.
Oh, really?
Yeah, I just thoughtthat was a bit from Shrek.
Yeah, yeah.
Well, obviously Shrek, like,we played the sandpit
at the start of the episode,
has a lot of those
nursery rhymefairy tale characters.
Only one. So,
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Yeah.
So it's created as a warning.
They've resorted.
Sorry.
We've got the.
It's got. The.
It's in our old grand final day.
So the NRL w final song
and they just cut to like a dadand his two kids.
And the kids had their shirtsoff just like.
Oh that's a good kick.
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Let's just quickly say
it was 24 nil to the Roostersat half time.
It was 24 nilwhen we started recording.
It's now 2418.
There is 20 minutesleft in the game. It's 24 right.
Yeah.This is going to be a thriller.
The sharks have come back. Yeah.
So, Jury wrong resortedFrederick
Thomas LinwoodAI Baker turned serial killer.
The legend goes,he would tie a muffin
on the end of the stringand lure kids down the alley
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to their doom.
Some stories alsosay not only were his victims
kids, but rival bakers as well.
And the Muffin Man's ending.
He was allegedlynever caught and died
in his old age,choking on a dumpling.
That's the way to go.
But according to the internetfact checking website Snopes.
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Definitely not true.
No record of FrederickThomas was ever found,
or a report of a multitude ofchildren missing at that time.
Yeah, alas.
Let's get into some fairy taleswith real origin
stories, though.
The Pied Piper of Hamlin.
And of Hamlin. Hamlin.
It's. Hi, Jimmy.
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Oh, I thought I'd say Hamlin.
Yeah. Hamlin.
Yeah. So the Pied Piper.I do know this one, I do.
We want a quick plotsummary of this one,
because I don't know it as wellas some of the other ones.
Do you know.
Okay.
Well,I mean, I do you go into it or.
I've got it written down.
I should, I should Ishould I say what it is you.
Go for if you want to go for it,you go for it.
Let'sget you out in the episode.
Was it rats or something?
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Rats? Yeah.
So they had rats in this town,
and now we're like,we don't want rats in our town.
What do we do about these rats?
And did they trya bunch of other stuff?
Couldn't get rid of the rats.
I didn't go that deep into the.
Summary,but that was a man. Possibly.
Eventually this bloke was like,hey, I got a I got this pipe.
What if I fiddlethis pipe and I'll,
I'll make all the ratsfollow me out of town.
But you just got to pay me.
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And I was like, yeah, sick.
We don't want these ratsanymore.
So he fiddled his pipediligently to.
And he got theall the rats followed him.
And did he drowned themin the river or something?
So, some of the run sideran a river off the cliff.
Probably hung.
So he gets rid of these ratsand he comes back to town.
He's like, hey,how pretty sick was that?
How about you giveme that gold? And they like,
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out of here?
Chief,we're not paying you for that.
And he's like, all right.
So then he comes back laterand fiddles these pipe again,
and all the kids follow him,and he kills kids, right?
That is the nursery wrong.
Yeah. Yep.
So firstly, do you know whyhe's called the Pied Piper.
Wearing pied or some.
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Brom? I'm thinking plaid.
But what does that. Mean?
I don't know. Okay.
It's because he was wearingmulticolored clothing.
Right.
So you could say this cushion,if it's in short,
is pied.
I know this because, it'sa, it's a common term.
In. Birds.
So, like, if you have a birdwith multiple colors, i.e.
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a white and graycockatiel, like,
the dad was a gray cockatiel,mine was a white cockatiel.
The babieswould be considered part
because I have both whiteand gray.
Tory. Right?
So just because he hadmulticolored clothing.
I'm the pied outcast.
That was alot of work for a very bad bit.
Yeah. Sorry.
This story has been saying
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has been seen many timesthroughout history.
One such account is on a churchof Heyman's window.
Unfortunately, that windowwas destroyed in 1660,
but there are several
written descriptions between
the 14th and 16th centuriesdescribing the window.
It was noted that prior to 1559,
the rats were absentfrom the story right.
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The earliest accountcomes from a manuscript
discovered in 1936,in the Lunenburg archives,
and on the last page of theGolden Chain, written in Latin
in roughlywhat I read from around 1370
by monk Heinrich of Hereford.
I think.
Is the followingeyewitness accounts. Yep.
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Here follows a marvelous wonderwhich transpired
in the town of Haymanin the Diocese of Mendon.
So it's a German town.
This is Morton.
Yeah, I mean, not Leamingtonfrom here like this.
Must be that Minoans namedafter German. Minden possibly.
Probably is right.Yeah, that would make sense.
In this year of outlawed 1284
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on the feast of Saint Johnand Paul,
a certainyoung man, 30 years of age,
handsome and well dressed,
so that all who saw him admiredhim because of his appearance,
crossed the bridges and enteredthe tent by the west gate.
He then began to playall through the town,
a silver pipeof the most magnificent sort.
All the children have heardhis part in a number of 130,
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followed him to the east gate,
and out of the town,
to the so-called execution placeor Calvary.
There they proceeded to vanish,
so that no trace of themcould be found.
The mothers of the children ran
from town to town,but they found nothing.
It is written.
A voice was heard from on high,
and the motherwas bewailing her son.
And as one countsthe years according to the year
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of our Lord,or according to the first,
second or third yearanniversary,
so do the people of Hamelin.
Reckonthe years after the departure
and disappearanceof their children?
This reportI found in an old book,
and the mother of the dean,
Johanne vonLude, saw the children depart.
Right. So they all just followedthis bloke?
Yep. Disappeared.
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Who was the bloke?
He was like, who is he?
He gone. He left with them.
They all just disappearedand no one ever saw them again.
Apparently.
There is a section of the towngate currently displayed
in the Hayman Museum.
On one stonethere is an inscription.
It reads.
In the year of 1556, 272 years
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after the magician stole130 children from the city.
This gate was founded,right? Okay.
So they built gates to be like,well.
It just appears that this story
is so ingrainedin the identity of. Us.
I use it as likea. Yeah, as a box.
Okay. Yeah.
They're like, oh, you know,we don't use a calendar here.
We just go years from childrendisappearing pretty much.
Yeah. Right.So it's very grinding.
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Yeah.
In in their historyand their identity of the town.
There's a few theories as towhat happened to the children.
Yeah.The first is natural causes.
So a large number of childrenhappened to pass from a disease
or starvation. Right.
And the Pied Piperwas a symbolic figure for death.
Okay.
So it was like,
instead of the hoodedand cloaked guy with a sigh,
I think there's this blokefiddle in his pipe.
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Yeah, he took the children away,you know.
He comes death.
Doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doodoo doo doo doo doo doo doo.
Why were you.
Making my way down?
I was gonna say to Irish kids.
Yeah,
the song of death.
Did it do do do do do do do did.
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Make think my way.
Don't, take in kids.
Make it a bash.
Doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doodoo doo doo doo. Right.
Another theory is immigration.
Oh, no. John's got on a bit.
Trump coaches.
They were eating the kids that.
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I just realized what you said.
The area was overpopulated.
Oh fat. Fat by the way.
They're eating the dogsand cats.
It's just, like, the most bad.
Thing I've ever heardsomeone on TV say anyway.
I mean,
I did, I did in the weeksprior to that,
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see videos of people eating catsin the street on Twitter.
That was the thing I did see.
I'm not saying who or anything.
Think that it's true.
Who knows?
In any case, it's crazy.
Yeah, if it's trueor if it isn't true,
either way, it's crazy.
Yeah.
So the immigration theory isthat the area was overpopulated
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and some peopleneeded to move on.
So they just movedand everyone's like, oh.
Yeah.
Well,apparently there was a large
German contingentthat helped settle Transylvania.
Sick.
Yeah.
Reports suggest that it wasthe 130 missing children.
Because thenthere was also going into like,
lineages, and there was a lotof German surnames
in Transylvania that matched upfrom Hamlin in that time.
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So that's one of the theoriesthat they just
took these kidsand went and settled.
Yeah. Right. Okay.
They didn't give any agesto the kids.
You know, we could be talkinglike young, like, 16 to 18 year
olds or, you know. Like, yeah.
In that time, the probably.
But I mean, when you're at 14,that's like middle age.
Yeah.In that time in. The Dark Ages,
other theories, include
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mass psycho eugenic illnessfrom dancing mania.
Oh, yeah.
We had an outbreak in the 13thcentury, including 1 in 1237
where a large group of childrentraveled 20km
jumping and dancing all the way.
Sound familiar? Yeah, yeah.
Also theories that the childrenleft to be part of a pilgrimage
or the Children's Crusade,which also happened
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roughly around of that time.
Right.
Regardless, it seems the storyof the Pied Piper
and the missingchildren are true.
It's true.
Somethingthe oldest disappeared.
The parts that are,
under conjectureis how why they went missing.
Yeah. Understandable.
So that's it for that one.
Okay.
The next one.
Snow.
What are we doing?
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Like a like,are we going to do a tally
at the end of like, true false?
No. The rest of themapparently true.
I did one. False. Oh,the whole thing is true.
Right. Okay.
It's not. That's whyit's cheeky. Real tales anyway.
Yeah. Snow whiteand the Seven Dwarfs.
Well, I included the Muffin Man
because that was the originalone that I read.
Yeah. Oh, that's a real thing.
Let's let me do a story on that.
And it turned outit wasn't that.
It wasn't real. Yeah.
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So 777.
Right. And the snow dwarfs,
Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs.
Do you want to give usanother recap?
Yeah.
So this, cheek.
This guy doesn't losethe seven midgets.
That's about it.
Isn't she?
Is she cursed?
Yeah. She's cursed,isn't she? By something?
Some old hag.
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Snow white is a beautifulyoung princess
known for her fair skinand kind heart.
Her stepmother,the evil Queen, becomes jealous.
The Snow White beautythe Queen possesses, possesses,
magical mirror.
That's a. Rememberthe magical mirror.
Magic mirror on the wall.
And every day she askswho's the fairest of them all?
For years, the mirror answeris that the Queen's the fairest,
but one day named Snow Whiteas the fairest in the land.
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Consumed by jealousy,the Queen orders
a huntsman to take Snow Whiteinto the forest and kill her.
Yeah, right.
Okay.However, the huntsman moves by.
Snow White's innocencecannot bring himself to do it,
and instead tells herto flee into the forest.
Snow white eventually comesacross a small cottage
belonging to seven dwarveswho live together.
She befriends the dwarfs,whose names are.
Oh man, I knowgrumpy is their doc. Yep.
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Sleepy? Yep.
Happy? Yep.
That's where we all I know.
Bashful. Sneezy. Dopey, right?
How could I forget?
Dopey and I all.
And I allowed herto stay with them in exchange
for helping with householdchores.
Meanwhile, the Queen discoversthrough her mirror
that snow White is still aliveand living with the dwarfs.
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She decides to take mattersinto her own hands
and disguises herselfas an old woman.
The Queen visitsSnow White and tricks her
into eating a poisoned apple,
which puts Snow Whiteinto a deep death sleep.
The dwarfs, heartbrokenby snow walking across, often
time passes until a princewho had previously fallen
in love with snowwalked, finds her,
kisses her, and the spell isbroken, reviving Snow White.
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The story ends with the Princeand Snow White happily
living happily ever after, whilethe evil Queen meets a dental.
So like this story, right?
It was the first one that Disneydid, right?
This is like how Disney becameDisney. Disney? Yep.
But why?
If your intentionis to kill her,
would you not just kill her?
Why would you give her this like
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curse that
has anout of just like being kissed?
It's a good story.
Makes a good story, butdoesn't make a logical story.
So the original fairy tale,
which is derived from the likethis,
is derived from the BrothersGrimm fairy tale.
The Brothers Grimmone is much darker, so.
They all are,the Grimm tells, and it's.
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Very similar in the build up.
Snow white dies. Yeah.
And it's actually the processof the dwarves carrying her
in the coffin over bumpy roadthat provides her CPR.
Just dislodges the chunk ofapple in her throat.
All right.
Yeah.
So stuff like that. Yeah.
Stayin alive.
So the real don't.
Know that is the right rhythm.
(23:24):
That song. For CPR. CPR?
Yeah.Which is 60 beats per minute.
60. Someof that 140 beats per minute.
Sorry. It is. So the real story.
It is believed that
the Grimm brotherstook inspiration
from the story of Margaretvon Waldeck.
Waldeck, who.
Another 16th century personfrom Germany.
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So the last storywas from Germany.
The muffin man was apparentlyin the 16th century.
She was a countess,the daughter of Count Philip
the fourth of Waldeck will do,while Duggan.
Will. Duggan will begin.Probably.
I don't know German names.
She grew up in a politicalturbulent time and was sent
to the court of Brusselswhen she was a teenager.
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This was common practicefor young noble women,
as they would often serve
in royal courtsand to form political alliances.
Brussels, Belgium.
Possibly, maybe.
But it was.
Margaret, according to citydocuments, was famous
for her beauty.
So it was like
in city documents recorded thatthis this lady was beautiful.
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That's a level of beautythat I wish to achieve.
And she caught the eye
of the heir to the Spanishthrone, Philip the Second.
I had a bit of a Romeoand Juliet romance, and faced
opposition to the entanglementfrom both the Spanish
and her familyfor political reasons.
Tragically, young Margaret diedwhen she was just 21, poisoned.
(24:51):
It was suspectedher death was orchestrated
by those who saw heras a political threat,
including Philip's father, KingCharles the Fifth Night.
Of notable connections to snow.What are the following?
Margarethad an evil stepmother, right?
Well, evilmight be too strong of a word,
but her stepmother,
Catarina of Huddersfield,is thought to have been
jealous of her beautyand might have mistreated her.
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The poisoning,
obviously reminiscentof the poisoned apple.
Yeah. And I guess you,
I guess youmight have one major question.
Where the dwarfs come from.Yeah.
Her hometown was knownfor its copper mines,
but her father actually ownedthe mine.
Used child labor. Yeah, right.
They were forced to workon the terrible conditions.
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The children often had stuntedgrowth due to malnutrition
and hard labor, and werenicknamed by the townspeople.
Dwarfs. Right. There you go.
There may be a connectionto the,
poisoned apple here, too,as there is some speculation
that an old man would offertainted fruits to the workers
and other children he believedthat had stolen from him.
Okay, there you go.
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That's the kind of the.
That's like,
oddly specific for one of these.
Yeah,like where everything is guys
like a directlike there was apples.
There was midgetchildren. It was like, yeah.
They're all surprisinglykind of like that, though.
You might be wrong.
Okay.
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The next fairy tale
we're gonna look at is Rapunzel.
Rapunzel, let down your hair.
Are you wantingto recap this one,
or do you want meto go through my recap?
I'll give it a recap.
Okay.
So, Rapunzel,another one of these ones is.
Like you going up the Disneymovie or the fairy tale.
(26:50):
Well, I actually don't knowthe fairy tale, okay,
come to think of it.
But I'm sure it's, like,similar. It's very similar.
So, Rapunzel,
for some reason, it's like,oh, get up in that tower.
You got to stay there.
Until you until you one truelove comes and comes
and rescues you or something.
Or like someone who's worthycomes and rescues you.
Or maybe she wasn'teven supposed to be saved.
Maybe she was just meant
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to live up there foreveruntil she died.
But anyway, this bloke comesoff. He's like, oh, he.
The only way I can get to youis if you let down your hair
and I'll climb up it.
And so she lets down the hairand he climbs up it.
And then how they get down,I don't understand,
like they got up thereby her hair.
They can't exactlyclimb down by her hair
unless they use it, I guess.
Like a like an absolute rope.
(27:33):
Like she ties a hairup to the roof
and then they upside down.
But at that point,why didn't she just do that?
I mean, surely she'd have todo that for the climbing up too,
because you imagine
someone climbing up your hair,like just on the window, like
like the next. Strength.
She had.
She had dope.That is what I'm hearing.
Just triangle. That's.
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Rapunzel.
Rapunzel, I can't see your head.
The locks are in the way.
Is it? Let's,
Traps. That traps.
Oh, well.
Add that to the list.
Dumb things we said.
So you pretty much there.
So it starts with a poor couplelonging for a child.
During the pregnancy, the.
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She craves a plant calledRapunzel
that grows in the sorceressgarden.
The husband steal somethingfor her, but gets caught.
And then the sorceress demandsthe child in return.
Like the crime against her.
It feels like an overreaction.So that's how.
That's how you. Stolea snipping of plants? Yeah.
Give me your child.
So, yeah.
As she grows up,the sorcerer locks
in the tall, isolated tower.
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Stays.
The sorceress.
Visit to get her. Their
sorceress chosen,
visither by saying the famous words
Rapunzel, Rapunzel, let downyour hair one day a prince.
He's. It's.
He's heard singing from a tiara.
Learns
how to enter the tower by,like, sneaking in the bushes and
and watchinghow the sorceress does it.
(29:00):
Yeah.
They fall in love.
The prince and Rapunzelfall in love.
He plans to rescue her.
However, the sorceress discoversthe prince's visit.
In a rage, she cuts off Rapunzeland banishes her to a desert.
The sorceressthen uses the cat hair
to trick the prince,and when he climbs the tower,
she reveals Rapunzel is gone.
Shocked,the prince falls from the tower
and is blinded by thornsand wanders in despair.
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Eventually,he finds Rapunzel and don't.
Ouch.
Eventually,he finds Rapunzel in the desert,
and the tears of joyrestore his sight,
and they return to his kingdomand live happily ever after.
Also, she restores him.
Yeah, that's a nice twist.
The real story.
This one draws uponan early Christian story
around the third century A.D.,a very wealthy pagan
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merchanthad a beautiful daughter.
It does not pay to be beautiful.
Apparently not.
You don't look disgusting.
Must be a witch.
What did. You do?
The style? Yeah.
He loved her so much he refusedto allow her to have suitors.
And that's what? Looker.
Why are you gonna tell whenhe would travel for business?
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The daughter in her loneliness,converted to Christianity
and would prayfrom the top of the tower
so loud, in fact,that there could be.
The prayers could be heardthroughout the entire town.
Or so.
There was some workers that cameto the tower for renovations,
and she convinced them
to construct three windowsinstead of the plain two.
The three windowsrepresenting the Holy Trinity.
(30:27):
And she also snuck a priestin under the guise of a doctor
and got secretly baptized.Right?
Pretty rebellious stuff, right?
Yes. Yeah,
I certainly haven't had threewindows, but instead of two.
Eventually the merchant fatherwould be told if her conversion
and he would take overfor a Roman official
who insisted the father
behead heror forfeit his fortune
(30:48):
if she refused to relinquishrelinquish
her newfound religion.
Each again.
Overkill. Overreaction.
I'm thinkingyou can guess the way this went.
He beheaded her.
He beheaded her? Yeah,of course he did.
Little side note, it was saidthat the father was killed
on his way homeby a lightning strike.
Good luck.
He beheaded her, and then on hisway home, struck by lightning.
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Good for the camera.
Yeah. Good.
So who was this damsel?
She was then recognizedas a martyr.
Sure. Yep.
And was sainted Saint Barbara.
Yeah.
I acted like I knew whothat was, but it's a cool.
You might know who it is.
So we'll get to the,
(31:31):
becoming a saint first.
So, like, you know, like therules for being a saint rather.
Yeah.
So the,I think I do have some miracles.
Yeah.
One of the stories say thatRapunzel flew around the room
when she was being chasedby the sword. Right.
Which were then why,she's fly out to tell us.
To get out thewindow. She becomes a pigeon.
Like,
(31:52):
tomb.
Miracles happen today, so.
Oh, okay.
So they're like,
you know, miracles happenwhere you're buried.
That's you. Yeah.
So Saint Barbara is nowthe patron saint of armors,
artillerymen,military engineers,
miners and otherswho work with explosives
because of her legendsassociation with lightning.
Okay,so I've. Sean was here, Sean.
(32:13):
And probably now he would.Definitely know Saint Barbara.
Yeah.
He'd be like in the 17thArtillery unit.
There's six pictures of her, and
the new peoplehave to wear them or something.
Yeah, yeah.So yeah, it's a little.
The symbol of Sean's previouswork career was Rapunzel.
There you go.
(32:33):
Glad he isn't here for that.
Oh, I.
Can't I can't imaginewhat he's saying in his car
or whereverhe's listening, just like, oh.
Just slapping his head in anger.
Oh. Oh, Slappy.
I love thathe's taking to that what's.
Good.
Let's just see how it works.
You ready to come roundto the next fairy tale?
Not all seem to end awfully,though.
(32:54):
Oh, good.
The next I was Cinderella sick.
Okay.You want to have Cinderella?
Yeah, sure.
So she lives with thestepsisters, and, they're, like,
kind of bitches.
And then they could doall the work.
Yep. And,
don't they normally golf so,like, balls and stuff?
Yeah.
And so she comes across
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like a is it a fairy godmotheror something?
Someone gives her a wish. Yeah.
So it says that soon,
despite her hot conditions,she remains gentle and fair.
Yeah. The king announcesa grand ball to find abroad.
Yeah,for the prince and Cinderella
we should to attend,but is forbidden.
Yep. On the night of the ball,Cinderella's fairy godmother.
(33:37):
Yep. Appears. And?
And she's like, oh,I'm going to make you,
look good for one night.
You better be home by midnightor so.
She gives you the dressand what again?
Why put this weird,like, time limit on it?
Yeah, butanyway. She's given the dress.
And what else does shelike? Magic up.
The shoes.
Part of the clothing
that themice get turned into horses
(33:59):
and a pumpkingets turned into a coach.
Right? Yep.
So she offshe goes, goes to this ball.
Everyone's like,wow, look at, she's clean.
And that therefore makes herthe most beautiful person here.
Okay.
And so she's like, oh,
I'm going to gohang out with the prince.
And he's like, wow, you're hot.
How about yougive me your number?
And she's like, what. Does.
(34:21):
That mean, right?Start sounding.
Phones don't exist yet.
And he's like, oh, cool.
And then oh yeah, likeyou just said, the ding dong.
It's 1159.
And she's like, I better scoot.
So she runs away.
And while she's running,despite all of her clothes
turning back into normal crap,she loses her shoe.
And the prince is like.
(34:41):
Cause the only thing I've gotleft is this bloody shoe
that, for some reason, hasn'talso turned back into crap.
And I'm going to go find her.
And so he startsfinding every maiden in the land
and, like, touching their feet,which is a bit weird.
Now king shaming.
And then he's like,oh, your foot's too fat.
Oh, your foot's too skinny.
(35:02):
And the stepsisters, they'relike, oh, check my foot, sir.
And like, they squish himin there and they can't fit.
And eventually he finds her andhe's like, great, come with me.
Because your shoes, the rightsize.
Yep. Now that
did you know, in primary school,I played Cinderella.
You played Cinderella,I played Lady Macbeth.
(35:23):
Oh, really?
Yeah.
There you go. Progressively.
It was it was a thing wherewe gender swapped all the roles.
So the prince wasprobably by girl. Yeah.
I just did a silly voice.That's about.
It. Well, no one elsewanted to be Cinderella.
Yeah, right.
Anyway,so the Cinderella story is
believed to be basedon the story of Road Gypsies.
(35:44):
Okay. Great name.
This story is told by Greekhistorian Strabo.
Strabo, fantastic name.
Odysseus was a beautiful Greekwoman.
Again, not just beautiful.
Yeah.
Who was capturedand sold into Egyptian slavery.
Eventually she was freedand lived as a courtesan,
a successful one known for hergrace and her beauty.
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One day while she was bathing,an eagle swooped down
and took one of her sandals.
The eagle, realizing its error,
dropped the sandal and it landedin the lap of the pharaoh,
right,
amazedby the beauty of the sandal
and believing it to be a divinesign, the Pharaoh ordered
a search of the kingdom to findthe woman who would handle.
Oh, look, this sandal, you know.
(36:27):
What the heck is that?
This?
Well, I think it was more alongthe lines of
he took it as a divine sign thatthe sandals fallen from a sky.
So, yeah,he searched the kingdom
for the woman who fit the sandaland ropes.
This wasthe one was found, and they.
And she was marriedto the Pharaoh.
And they livedhappily ever after there. Cool.
What a way to find love. Yeah.
(36:48):
So I went looking,
for this pharaoh.
For who was married to thisgreat girl. Yep.
It's Ami's or Amos.
The second was quoted, soI looked him up in his spouse's.
I couldn't find the gypsies,I don't know.
Her name was changedto like, an Egyptian name
because I knewthat was the thing.
Yeah.
(37:10):
But it was also said that
the marriage kind ofwas not well looked upon because
she was not from royal blood.
So that may have not been quotedas well.
Yeah. She'sjust a side piece. Yeah, yeah.
How aboutone more fairy tale, boy?
What have we got for time?
All right.
Yeah. One more fairy tale.
No. Okay, well,thanks for listening.
(37:33):
Of course.
Okay.
This oneyou probably don't think
has a real life background.
Yeah. Beauty in the beast.
Yeah.
Okay, I when you told me thisin the pre-show, I was like,
yeah, I do not think thatthat's got a real, real story.
Are you well versed on beautyand the beast?
No. Okay, good. Isn't it?
(37:53):
Doesn't she get like,
hang on, I vaguely not.
I've never actually
watched any of the beautyand the beast franchise.
The beast versed.
I'm not into.
Bites like that.
That's just. Weird.Based. Diverse.
Well, it'sjust the animated one.
And then the live actionwith, Emma Watson. Yes.
(38:14):
Isn't it that, like,
there's this house
and it's got the beast in itand all the local,
like she's meant to be marriedto this decade, and then.
Nobody throws like.
Cats,and then he's like a dickhead
to the beast,and she's like, screw you.
And ends up locked in the housewith the beast
and then finds outthat he's a nice bloke. Yeah.
And then everyone'scoming to kill him.
And turns out he's
(38:34):
actually a hot bloke in a suitor something.
Beauty. Yeah.
A kind of beautiful young womanlives with her father.
A once wealthy merchanthas fallen on hard times.
One day,
her father gets lostin the forest
and stumblesupon a mysterious castle.
He picks a rose from the gardenfor beauty,
but the castle's owner,a fearsome beast, catches him
and demandshis life as punishment.
(38:56):
Wow. I've read
the beastoffers to spare the father
if one of his daughterscomes to live with him.
Feeling responsible,
beauty volunteersto take her father's place.
Beautymoves into the Beast Castle,
and I initially frightenedRahim.
She's treated kindly.
By the time
I develop a deep friendshipevery night based on his beauty
to marry him, but she refuses,so she grows more fond of him,
(39:19):
missing her family,beauty asked to visit them.
The beast agrees, but wants her
to return within a weekor he will die of heartbreak.
Wow. Okay.
What a what a what a softie.
That's a bit.
That's a bit much.
Beauty sistersenvious of her life.
Convince herto stay longer than a week.
When she returns, she findsthe beast dying of sorrow.
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Realizing she loves him, beautydeclares her love and agrees
to marry him.
This breaks the spelland the beast is transformed
into a handsome prince.
The prince explains thathe was cursed by a wicked fairy,
and that only true love couldbreak the enchanted right again.
Don't give them these out.
Why are you making the outspossible?
It's a. Crappy story.
(40:00):
If there's no chancefor a happy.
Okay. Yeah.
All right, I'moveranalyzing, but, like, okay,
if you're ever in the business
of cursing someone,don't give it some possible out.
Make it like,
you have to fly unassistedto Jupiter to break this curse.
Like, I'mglad you're not an evil fairy
or a witch or sorceresswho's cursing people
(40:22):
with these impulsive boom.
But, like, you just have to.
You're like.Come on, make it. Hard.
You have to fold yourselfinside out to break this curse.
Yeah, but make it impossible.
Why make it so easy?
Why even.Why does it have to have an out?
Just make it a curse.
You're terrible human.
Great witch. Though.
(40:42):
So the real story.
Petrus.
Gonzo Consultas.
Great name.
Yep. Was a man born in 1537on the island of Tenerife,
with a rare condition calledhyper try Coco dosis crisis.
Okay.
Hyper trichinosis, which causedexcessive hair growth
all over his body, making himlook like a wild man or beast.
(41:06):
At age ten,
he was taken to the court ofKing Henry the Second to France
as a giftfrom Margaret of Parma,
the regent of the Netherlands.
Is a gift.
It's thisguy with a lot of hair.
Yeah, ten year old.
There.
Instead of being treatedas an oddity, he was educated.
It became and became a partof court life.
(41:27):
Catherine de Medici,the King's wife.
Medici. Medici.
What I think, I think
I think she was French.
I tell you, that'show French done it.
Mediciwould be Italian, I'd say.
But the king's wife.
Yeah, well.
She's thethe wife of the king of France.
Yes. So she could be French.It doesn't. Matter.
(41:49):
She probably got beheadedat the end of it anyway.
Bro. Well,
So the king's wifearranged a marriage
to a beautiful Frenchwoman named Catherine Rathlin.
Despitetheir unusual circumstances,
they had several children,
and it was kind of considereda bit of an experiment
to see if the childrenwould get his condition right.
Some did, some didn't.
(42:10):
Okay.
Gone themselves appease,Gonzalez's appearance
and his loving relationshipwith Catherine
have been compared to the beautyand the beast story,
as he's based.
He looks were,
where contrast with his refinedmanners and intelligence.
This also said that he was
the king was very impressed withhis intelligence in the court,
(42:31):
like matters and stufflike that.
And their marriage symbolizeslove beyond appearances.
Good.
However,it is considered the links
to be more speculativethan direct,
but possibly an inspirationat least.
I mean, it's a nice storythe way.
So yeah, there's like morelikely it's just an inspiration
to the original fairytale of this beast looking man,
(42:52):
very hairy,
but well mannered and and politeand had a lovely wife
and children.
I mean, it just sounds likea nice, wholesome story.
Good on them.
There's a few other ones thatI didn't, end up writing about.
Bluebeard.
Never heard of that one. Nope.Nope.
About Hansel and Gretel.
I left that one out.
That was considered a, story,potentially of real origin.
(43:16):
Maybe we can do a part two.
Maybe we do.
But that has been cheeky.
Real tales.
I mean, haven'tthey all been real?
Yeah. Pretty much.
But you okay?
As I said, you wouldn't.
No one thinks of thesefairy tales having,
a real origin or some sort ofbasis in human history.
I guess if you think about it,they've got to start somewhere
(43:38):
with making up a story.
Yeah, yeah, making it up. So,
we all know the Disney
stories. Yes.
I encourage you, ifif this is piqued your interest,
go look up the Brothers Grimmversions like the original.
Yeah. Stories.
They're definitely darker.
They're very much don'tinclude your children in this.
(43:58):
No. Well, do you know,what is a troll? Me?
You want to give them?
I didn't realizea lot of these stories
originated from Germany as well.
Because the Brothers Grimm.Yeah.
They're German. German? Yeah.
Also, like, that area is like
it has been around forthousands of years with people.
So, I mean, I guess wayhas, but, you know.
Yeah. I foundit super interesting. So,
(44:21):
that's that I
don't have any more fairy taleslike I'm into,
please share this podcast.
Share this podcast with someonewho loves Disney movies. Yep.
They are ones.
What's your favorite Disneymovie book?
Actually? Oh, really?
Yeah. I enjoyed Herculesas a young fella.
I'd say The Lion Kingis probably my favorite. Yeah.
The original King's good.
(44:42):
The original animated one.
We lost, we lost, James EarlJones. Jr.
R.I.P to a real one.
To Mufasa and Darth Vader.
Do you know that the blokethat was the guy in the suit
for Darth Vader,that was English?
I had like a really high pitchedlike.
Yeah, he didn't know that.
He wasn't the voice until.
Until the premiere. Yeah.
(45:03):
You're like, oh, sick.I'm gonna be on screen.
And then nobody's 60 face.
It's really just voice. Got it.
And they don't
tell you until you get thereall the time.
It's really strange watching,like the unedited version
where it's him, just like,oh, I'm Darth Vader.
Ooh, there's plans now.
(45:23):
I got to find themrather than that I, you know.
Yeah. But yeah, like that.
Oh, Darth Vader movie.
Spooky.
Look, it.
You know how that madethat sound, right?
It's just scuba gear.
Just someonebreathing in scuba gear here.
There you go.
(45:44):
I think that makes sense. And,
speaking of the Star Wars again,the blaster fire.
Always like onyour dad, isn't it?
Do you have abecause you're an audio.
Yeah.
You know,that made the blaster far.
It's,I've seen a video recently.
(46:05):
On. Yeah, it's like bits of,it's stuff falling, isn't it?
Well, I think.
I think, yeah.
No, I think they were out on
location somewhereand they were near a tower with.
Yeah. High tensile,
like support wise.
Yes. Andyou just hit it with a shift?
Yeah.
It's like, dude, he's like,that's my blaster for.
Yeah, yeah.
(46:25):
So yeah, I thought it was that
or somethingbeing dropped on something.
But kind of marble glasskind of sounds like that.
Done it as a.
Yeah, yeah. Anyway.
How do they do the lightsabers?
Cuz I know youprobably would have studied that
when you went to, you.Know, actually.
Oh okay. Yeah.I don't know that one.
I think it was an audio feedbackin front of a speaker.
They were,they were doing some sort of.
Like, oh yeah, I could see that.
(46:46):
Not a, not a necessarily a.
It's a hum. Like it's a. Yeah.Not necessarily.
Microphone,but like a piece of electronic
equipment waved in front of aspeaker that would create that.
Yeah.
You go.
All right.
Somehowhere we go to the Star Wars,
the theme of that favoriteDisney movie.
Get, get, share this episodewith some of the Star.
Wars is Disney.
It is Disney.
(47:07):
Yeah. Someone who yeah.
Favorite Disney movie?
There you go.
But yeah,find all their socials.
Commentyour favorite Disney man.
Thank you. That's a good one.
Yeah. Some interactivity.
Maybe we'll even do a pollsomewhere nice.
So yeah, you can find
our socials at check
our spot on Facebook, Instagramand X it's it's X.
There you go.
(47:27):
It's been long enoughI'm getting up. Yeah.
Are we on reels?
No. I mean real gram threads.
I don't think we are.
You know, we're.
Are we not on the latestsocial media platform?
I'm not on threads.You want. I'm not on thread.
I started a threads.
I took about 15 minuteslooking at it.
I don't think I've ever openthe app again.
Okay. Yeah.
(47:48):
So we're not on threads.
But if you're listeningor watching, you know, it's,
you know, where to find us
on the podcast platformsor YouTube. Yep.
Or if.
You get your podcasts.Please share that though.
We would like to expand
our reaches where we've juststarted, like touching rails.
We're got a little footholdin England.
Let's get out there.Yeah. Fill up Europe.
(48:09):
Grow this community.
Share this. Kat. Yeah.
Not for us.
For the cat. Yeah.
Share it for a little polo
for the it. Okay.
It's like, just look over here.
Whatever. You seen him?
Yeah. That's the.That's for tonight's episode.
We'll be backnext week with Aaron's episode.
(48:30):
Oh, spooky.
It is the Halloween.Oh. So spooky.
You bitch. And head on thisor you doing a. Halloween on it.
Okay, good. Because you did.Say last episode. You were.
I was working on a waysaway out.
Okay, I decided no,I'm going to do it.
This will be your firstthemed episode. I've
no special episode.
No, I did a theme episode.
(48:52):
Well, remember the opener?
Was that season, but I.
I stole an episode.
A cold deadhands or something. No.
Yeah, I did.
I did one earlier this year.
I can't remember which oneit was.
Valentine'sday might have been Valentine's.
But that was kind oflike a combined thing with me.
I think Sean was here. I don'tknow what it would have been.
It doesn't matter.
(49:12):
But someone will tell usin the comments.
Well, it'sour first Halloween episode.
Yeah, the Halloween episode
should meanhe gets Christmas as well.
So maybe. That'show it's worked for me.
Oh, so close
and bought.
All right, well, good episode.
Boy likes boy. We'll see youin a fortnight in fortnight.
Good. Not good. Those.
Okay, I'll tell you.
Do you know the muffin man?
The muffin man?
The muffin man.
Yes, I know the muffin man.
Who lives on Drury Lane?
Well,she's married to the muffin man.
The muffin man?
The muffin man!
She's married to the muffin man.
My lord!We found it.
(00:21):
Well, then what areyou waiting for?
Bring it in!
Who does know the muffin man?
Well,I thought I knew the muffin man.
Well, the storythat originated the fairy tale.
Turns out maybe I didn't.
What I thoughtwas the real story behind
the fairy tale is actually justunconfirmed
Urban legend. Good.
However, there are some fairytales based on real stories
(00:45):
or real people.
And on this fortnight's episode,
we are doinga medley of those tales.
Welcome to Cheeky ‘Real’ Tales?
(01:07):
We love a medley on this show.
We love medley.
Madly, madly, madly.
Oh, boy.
It's,it's customary for my episode
to get all the banter, so let's.
Let's band.
Where do you want to start?Let's bet.
Seize the. Day. Don't. Oh, yeah.
(01:27):
Good one.
Oh, the Lord will even.
Talk about that prior to it.
Which is crazybecause I am a huge AFL fan.
It was four weeks ago.It was before the.
And, before.The semis, wasn't it?
Yeah.Before the AFL finals started.
I certainly didn't say it.
What a turnaroundfrom, last year.
Lost by one. Point.
Win by 60 by the.
(01:50):
Yeah. Huge game.
And it was very fun
to watch the Lions
just systematically destroythe Swans.
It was
excellent for onceto watch a grand final
that your local team is in.
I'm not gonna say my teamthat I support.
I like the. Local team and.
Not be worried about them losing
because they arejust smashing it.
Yeah, I had the same feelingwhen the Bucs were winning
(02:12):
the Super Bowl and they just.
I don't thinkthey even gave up a touchdown.
Yeah.
You just get comfortableand you can really enjoy it.
Yeah.
You just know that there's
a group of peoplethat are having the worst day,
and you're not because of them.
And it's also interesting.
Interestingbecause I was listening
to the radio this week and, the,
the radio showI listen to has like, a trivia
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quiz.
One of the questions was,who won the men's BBL last year?
And the person was like,oh, the Sixers.
Do you remember who won?
Was it Brisbane?It was Brisbane.
Yeah, we've.Totally forgot Brisbane, right?
We lost two grand finalsand they finally won one for us.
Do you know what?I'm kind of forgotten about it.
I think because the BBLis so badly organized and run
(03:00):
that whoever wins it is justwhoever can manage
to keep a team togetherfor the longest.
Like.
Yeah, we had a couple ofinternational superstars
come in, play a few gamesand then they were
they were on Australianduty at the final.
So yeah, I remember.
Like you have these superstarplayers playing
and then you get to the grandfinal and they all leave.
Yeah. Yeah.
I do remember watching the videoof like Usman Khawaja
(03:23):
in his hotel room in India,watching the BBL final.
Yeah.
And he played the semi. Yeah.
How does that make sense.
So I find it very hard.
Obviously international duties.
Are. Prioritized.
Yeah.
But organize your comp aroundthat.
That's happening all the timeanyway so it's a bit hard.
(03:43):
Yeah.
But like they also playedabout 400 games last year.
It was last yearthe year they shortened it.
Doesn't matter.
I think Rossi was the onethat's. Great for Brisbane.
We've got two now.
Broncos.
Let's not talk about that.
And if you want to talkabout teams
we don't want to talk abouthow about them Bengals.
We got to win. Yeah.
Well we're on a winstreak at the moment.
(04:03):
You want him.That's better than the bucks.
But what do you four and one.
Three and one. Thank you.
We haven't had five rounds yet.
Through the fifth round.Just started. Yeah.
Well the Bucs did win.
Two to start. Yeah.
And then lostthe third to the Broncos.
And then that's. Why.
Betterthan losing to the Patriots.
(04:23):
That's true.They are trash team.
But then yeah, the Bucs lostthe game on Friday.
That I was, outside watchingwhile I worked there.
All your friends are awayfor time for the.
How do you losefrom that position, anyway?
So we bring up the BengalsPatriots game.
Again,I know I asked you earlier about
(04:44):
listening to regulation Pod.
They were doing an eliminationpic type of thing.
So the rules for that was likewith the community,
you pick one game each weekand you pick a team to win.
Yeah. Once that teams pick,you can't pick them again.
And to see how long you gothrough the Rams.
Yeah. Picking a winner. Yeah.
(05:04):
And you can go all the wayto the Super Bowl with that.
Yeah. Theoretically Andrew.
First round went.
What's going to be assuringpatriots of trash.
He picked the Bengalsover the Patriots.
So they went out first.
Serves you right.
Serves youright for backing the Bengals.
I really do feel likewe're going to be four and,
(05:26):
one and four after this week
because we're playing the Ravensthere.
Yeah. Decent team. Yeah.
But they they good for a rubbishloss too.
Okay.
They shouldthey should be undefeated.
But only one to.
Give me hopethen gives me hope. Yeah.
I'm on a bit of a winstreak in our fantasy league.
I've got three in a row here.Starting off pretty poorly.
Yeah. I don't know how I'm goingto do this.
(05:48):
I'm three and one seven Rodgersguys tonight.
I'm three and one.
I lost my first game and oh.
How about that. For me?
I think. Wasn'tit like round one?
I said,
you know the Dolphins,it's too early for them to have
a quarterback outwith concussion. Yeah.
And then like five minutesinto the next game he's out.
Yeah. With concussionand hasn't been back. Yeah.
(06:08):
And you also pickedAaron Rodgers.
And then like two weekslater had an amazing game.
And likewas the highest scoring.
And I had him on the bench.
Yeah I heardyou bring up your PC early.
We we need to give the audiencean update on your PC.
Yeah. So John came through.
John came through for me.
He, found a pack of screwsfor that particular model
(06:30):
that I hadn't seen.That cost $3.
So I wentand purchased it that day
and had the PCup and running the next day.
And then what happened?
And then.
One company sent you a pack ofscrews, like, two years later.
I think it was a week later.
Two days later, I got the screwsfrom the company that I.
That made the parts.
(06:50):
And then this week, now some,what, six weeks after the fact,
I got the screws fromthe company that I bought the,
parts from. So.
No, thank you for that.
So how many space screws?
11 you had.
You were missing one.
Yeah. So it was.
Three from four, and now.
No, I
now I have 14.
(07:13):
Yeah.
And and since thenyou've also got your,
15 local networkcomputer running. Yep.
So I set up a home serverthat took,
probably two weeks to get right.
It would keep doing this.
It's a it's a file server.
So, like a home,
like a like a big hard drivethat's on your network.
(07:34):
And twice,it would fail in the middle
of transferring filesand just reboot itself.
And one time I was like,I'll just cancel
this file transferbecause I was just doing it
for speed testing and that,corrupted the entire thing.
So I had to rebuildthe whole thing. Gotcha.
Yeah.
But that's up and running.
And what's one of the
other major usesfor that server at the moment?
(07:56):
You know, serious business.
Okay.
Okay.
We're running a minecraft.
I was like, that's another thingI could do with this.
Do we want to my mind.
I am partaking in that server,but I just just remember this
for a very expensive computerAaron has built for himself
with a top of the linegraphics card.
(08:17):
And what is he playing on it?
Yeah. Minecraft across?
Yeah.
Look.
Could you haveplayed Minecraft to this day?
Did you out thereon your own computer?
Yeah.
Okay. Easily.
I have been using it for SpaceMarines as well, which has been
has been taxing it. Yeah,which is good.
So I'm not just playing crappyold games.
(08:37):
Vice Marines is, a new gamethat's quite demanding.
And I'm glad you're having funbecause there's so much lore
and Warhammer 40 chariots again.
Yeah, just another dirty thingthat I've been into.
Anyway,I think that's it for chat.
I just got one more. Oh. Do you.
Do you remember, the sharethat I gave to I might?
(08:57):
Yes. Yeah.I've had some feedback from him.
He found it absolutely hilariousthat you guys paid me up for
the share. That was it. Yeah.
Good. Cuz he hadn't. If.
Let's go.
But he had told. Him about it.
Well, he's clearly listening nowbecause I.
Appreciate that he's listening.Thank you.
You also haven't said his name.
I don't know his room. Cool.
(09:19):
I think it's.
That it'sLuke. I do know his room.
I'm. It's Luke.She is Luke from Wales.
Yeah. There you go. All right.Under the topic at hand.
So we're going to quicklycover off the
the one that probably isn't true
that we startsaid at the start of the episode
if the internet chatteris to be to be believed.
Oh, we haven't addressedthat. Sean isn't here.
Oh, yeah.
Partial,actually, on this episode.
(09:40):
No, Sean,
the pod of Seanwill be probably by him at chat
GPT this week, so.
I might chat.
Any questions?
We're going to flick it overto him and see what comes up.
So yeah, if the internet chatteris to be believed,
the Muffin Man, the MuffinMan nursery rhyme was created
as a warning for kidsto stay away from Drury Lane.
(10:01):
So I'll be honest,I didn't know that
that was a nursery rhymeor a fairy tale.
Oh, really?
Yeah, I just thoughtthat was a bit from Shrek.
Yeah, yeah.
Well, obviously Shrek, like,we played the sandpit
at the start of the episode,
has a lot of those
nursery rhymefairy tale characters.
Only one. So,
(10:22):
Yeah.
So it's created as a warning.
They've resorted.
Sorry.
We've got the.
It's got. The.
It's in our old grand final day.
So the NRL w final song
and they just cut to like a dadand his two kids.
And the kids had their shirtsoff just like.
Oh that's a good kick.
(10:43):
Let's just quickly say
it was 24 nil to the Roostersat half time.
It was 24 nilwhen we started recording.
It's now 2418.
There is 20 minutesleft in the game. It's 24 right.
Yeah.This is going to be a thriller.
The sharks have come back. Yeah.
So, Jury wrong resortedFrederick
Thomas LinwoodAI Baker turned serial killer.
The legend goes,he would tie a muffin
on the end of the stringand lure kids down the alley
(11:05):
to their doom.
Some stories alsosay not only were his victims
kids, but rival bakers as well.
And the Muffin Man's ending.
He was allegedlynever caught and died
in his old age,choking on a dumpling.
That's the way to go.
But according to the internetfact checking website Snopes.
(11:26):
Definitely not true.
No record of FrederickThomas was ever found,
or a report of a multitude ofchildren missing at that time.
Yeah, alas.
Let's get into some fairy taleswith real origin
stories, though.
The Pied Piper of Hamlin.
And of Hamlin. Hamlin.
It's. Hi, Jimmy.
(11:46):
Oh, I thought I'd say Hamlin.
Yeah. Hamlin.
Yeah. So the Pied Piper.I do know this one, I do.
We want a quick plotsummary of this one,
because I don't know it as wellas some of the other ones.
Do you know.
Okay.
Well,I mean, I do you go into it or.
I've got it written down.
I should, I should Ishould I say what it is you.
Go for if you want to go for it,you go for it.
Let'sget you out in the episode.
Was it rats or something?
(12:06):
Rats? Yeah.
So they had rats in this town,
and now we're like,we don't want rats in our town.
What do we do about these rats?
And did they trya bunch of other stuff?
Couldn't get rid of the rats.
I didn't go that deep into the.
Summary,but that was a man. Possibly.
Eventually this bloke was like,hey, I got a I got this pipe.
What if I fiddlethis pipe and I'll,
I'll make all the ratsfollow me out of town.
But you just got to pay me.
(12:28):
And I was like, yeah, sick.
We don't want these ratsanymore.
So he fiddled his pipediligently to.
And he got theall the rats followed him.
And did he drowned themin the river or something?
So, some of the run sideran a river off the cliff.
Probably hung.
So he gets rid of these ratsand he comes back to town.
He's like, hey,how pretty sick was that?
How about you giveme that gold? And they like,
(12:51):
out of here?
Chief,we're not paying you for that.
And he's like, all right.
So then he comes back laterand fiddles these pipe again,
and all the kids follow him,and he kills kids, right?
That is the nursery wrong.
Yeah. Yep.
So firstly, do you know whyhe's called the Pied Piper.
Wearing pied or some.
(13:12):
Brom? I'm thinking plaid.
But what does that. Mean?
I don't know. Okay.
It's because he was wearingmulticolored clothing.
Right.
So you could say this cushion,if it's in short,
is pied.
I know this because, it'sa, it's a common term.
In. Birds.
So, like, if you have a birdwith multiple colors, i.e.
(13:34):
a white and graycockatiel, like,
the dad was a gray cockatiel,mine was a white cockatiel.
The babieswould be considered part
because I have both whiteand gray.
Tory. Right?
So just because he hadmulticolored clothing.
I'm the pied outcast.
That was alot of work for a very bad bit.
Yeah. Sorry.
This story has been saying
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has been seen many timesthroughout history.
One such account is on a churchof Heyman's window.
Unfortunately, that windowwas destroyed in 1660,
but there are several
written descriptions between
the 14th and 16th centuriesdescribing the window.
It was noted that prior to 1559,
the rats were absentfrom the story right.
(14:17):
The earliest accountcomes from a manuscript
discovered in 1936,in the Lunenburg archives,
and on the last page of theGolden Chain, written in Latin
in roughlywhat I read from around 1370
by monk Heinrich of Hereford.
I think.
Is the followingeyewitness accounts. Yep.
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Here follows a marvelous wonderwhich transpired
in the town of Haymanin the Diocese of Mendon.
So it's a German town.
This is Morton.
Yeah, I mean, not Leamingtonfrom here like this.
Must be that Minoans namedafter German. Minden possibly.
Probably is right.Yeah, that would make sense.
In this year of outlawed 1284
(15:04):
on the feast of Saint Johnand Paul,
a certainyoung man, 30 years of age,
handsome and well dressed,
so that all who saw him admiredhim because of his appearance,
crossed the bridges and enteredthe tent by the west gate.
He then began to playall through the town,
a silver pipeof the most magnificent sort.
All the children have heardhis part in a number of 130,
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followed him to the east gate,
and out of the town,
to the so-called execution placeor Calvary.
There they proceeded to vanish,
so that no trace of themcould be found.
The mothers of the children ran
from town to town,but they found nothing.
It is written.
A voice was heard from on high,
and the motherwas bewailing her son.
And as one countsthe years according to the year
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of our Lord,or according to the first,
second or third yearanniversary,
so do the people of Hamelin.
Reckonthe years after the departure
and disappearanceof their children?
This reportI found in an old book,
and the mother of the dean,
Johanne vonLude, saw the children depart.
Right. So they all just followedthis bloke?
Yep. Disappeared.
(16:10):
Who was the bloke?
He was like, who is he?
He gone. He left with them.
They all just disappearedand no one ever saw them again.
Apparently.
There is a section of the towngate currently displayed
in the Hayman Museum.
On one stonethere is an inscription.
It reads.
In the year of 1556, 272 years
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after the magician stole130 children from the city.
This gate was founded,right? Okay.
So they built gates to be like,well.
It just appears that this story
is so ingrainedin the identity of. Us.
I use it as likea. Yeah, as a box.
Okay. Yeah.
They're like, oh, you know,we don't use a calendar here.
We just go years from childrendisappearing pretty much.
Yeah. Right.So it's very grinding.
(16:54):
Yeah.
In in their historyand their identity of the town.
There's a few theories as towhat happened to the children.
Yeah.The first is natural causes.
So a large number of childrenhappened to pass from a disease
or starvation. Right.
And the Pied Piperwas a symbolic figure for death.
Okay.
So it was like,
instead of the hoodedand cloaked guy with a sigh,
I think there's this blokefiddle in his pipe.
(17:16):
Yeah, he took the children away,you know.
He comes death.
Doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doodoo doo doo doo doo doo doo.
Why were you.
Making my way down?
I was gonna say to Irish kids.
Yeah,
the song of death.
Did it do do do do do do do did.
(17:37):
Make think my way.
Don't, take in kids.
Make it a bash.
Doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doodoo doo doo doo. Right.
Another theory is immigration.
Oh, no. John's got on a bit.
Trump coaches.
They were eating the kids that.
(18:02):
I just realized what you said.
The area was overpopulated.
Oh fat. Fat by the way.
They're eating the dogsand cats.
It's just, like, the most bad.
Thing I've ever heardsomeone on TV say anyway.
I mean,
I did, I did in the weeksprior to that,
(18:23):
see videos of people eating catsin the street on Twitter.
That was the thing I did see.
I'm not saying who or anything.
Think that it's true.
Who knows?
In any case, it's crazy.
Yeah, if it's trueor if it isn't true,
either way, it's crazy.
Yeah.
So the immigration theory isthat the area was overpopulated
(18:44):
and some peopleneeded to move on.
So they just movedand everyone's like, oh.
Yeah.
Well,apparently there was a large
German contingentthat helped settle Transylvania.
Sick.
Yeah.
Reports suggest that it wasthe 130 missing children.
Because thenthere was also going into like,
lineages, and there was a lotof German surnames
in Transylvania that matched upfrom Hamlin in that time.
(19:07):
So that's one of the theoriesthat they just
took these kidsand went and settled.
Yeah. Right. Okay.
They didn't give any agesto the kids.
You know, we could be talkinglike young, like, 16 to 18 year
olds or, you know. Like, yeah.
In that time, the probably.
But I mean, when you're at 14,that's like middle age.
Yeah.In that time in. The Dark Ages,
other theories, include
(19:29):
mass psycho eugenic illnessfrom dancing mania.
Oh, yeah.
We had an outbreak in the 13thcentury, including 1 in 1237
where a large group of childrentraveled 20km
jumping and dancing all the way.
Sound familiar? Yeah, yeah.
Also theories that the childrenleft to be part of a pilgrimage
or the Children's Crusade,which also happened
(19:51):
roughly around of that time.
Right.
Regardless, it seems the storyof the Pied Piper
and the missingchildren are true.
It's true.
Somethingthe oldest disappeared.
The parts that are,
under conjectureis how why they went missing.
Yeah. Understandable.
So that's it for that one.
Okay.
The next one.
Snow.
What are we doing?
(20:11):
Like a like,are we going to do a tally
at the end of like, true false?
No. The rest of themapparently true.
I did one. False. Oh,the whole thing is true.
Right. Okay.
It's not. That's whyit's cheeky. Real tales anyway.
Yeah. Snow whiteand the Seven Dwarfs.
Well, I included the Muffin Man
because that was the originalone that I read.
Yeah. Oh, that's a real thing.
Let's let me do a story on that.
And it turned outit wasn't that.
It wasn't real. Yeah.
(20:32):
So 777.
Right. And the snow dwarfs,
Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs.
Do you want to give usanother recap?
Yeah.
So this, cheek.
This guy doesn't losethe seven midgets.
That's about it.
Isn't she?
Is she cursed?
Yeah. She's cursed,isn't she? By something?
Some old hag.
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Snow white is a beautifulyoung princess
known for her fair skinand kind heart.
Her stepmother,the evil Queen, becomes jealous.
The Snow White beautythe Queen possesses, possesses,
magical mirror.
That's a. Rememberthe magical mirror.
Magic mirror on the wall.
And every day she askswho's the fairest of them all?
For years, the mirror answeris that the Queen's the fairest,
but one day named Snow Whiteas the fairest in the land.
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Consumed by jealousy,the Queen orders
a huntsman to take Snow Whiteinto the forest and kill her.
Yeah, right.
Okay.However, the huntsman moves by.
Snow White's innocencecannot bring himself to do it,
and instead tells herto flee into the forest.
Snow white eventually comesacross a small cottage
belonging to seven dwarveswho live together.
She befriends the dwarfs,whose names are.
Oh man, I knowgrumpy is their doc. Yep.
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Sleepy? Yep.
Happy? Yep.
That's where we all I know.
Bashful. Sneezy. Dopey, right?
How could I forget?
Dopey and I all.
And I allowed herto stay with them in exchange
for helping with householdchores.
Meanwhile, the Queen discoversthrough her mirror
that snow White is still aliveand living with the dwarfs.
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She decides to take mattersinto her own hands
and disguises herselfas an old woman.
The Queen visitsSnow White and tricks her
into eating a poisoned apple,
which puts Snow Whiteinto a deep death sleep.
The dwarfs, heartbrokenby snow walking across, often
time passes until a princewho had previously fallen
in love with snowwalked, finds her,
kisses her, and the spell isbroken, reviving Snow White.
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The story ends with the Princeand Snow White happily
living happily ever after, whilethe evil Queen meets a dental.
So like this story, right?
It was the first one that Disneydid, right?
This is like how Disney becameDisney. Disney? Yep.
But why?
If your intentionis to kill her,
would you not just kill her?
Why would you give her this like
(22:40):
curse that
has anout of just like being kissed?
It's a good story.
Makes a good story, butdoesn't make a logical story.
So the original fairy tale,
which is derived from the likethis,
is derived from the BrothersGrimm fairy tale.
The Brothers Grimmone is much darker, so.
They all are,the Grimm tells, and it's.
(23:03):
Very similar in the build up.
Snow white dies. Yeah.
And it's actually the processof the dwarves carrying her
in the coffin over bumpy roadthat provides her CPR.
Just dislodges the chunk ofapple in her throat.
All right.
Yeah.
So stuff like that. Yeah.
Stayin alive.
So the real don't.
Know that is the right rhythm.
(23:24):
That song. For CPR. CPR?
Yeah.Which is 60 beats per minute.
60. Someof that 140 beats per minute.
Sorry. It is. So the real story.
It is believed that
the Grimm brotherstook inspiration
from the story of Margaretvon Waldeck.
Waldeck, who.
Another 16th century personfrom Germany.
(23:45):
So the last storywas from Germany.
The muffin man was apparentlyin the 16th century.
She was a countess,the daughter of Count Philip
the fourth of Waldeck will do,while Duggan.
Will. Duggan will begin.Probably.
I don't know German names.
She grew up in a politicalturbulent time and was sent
to the court of Brusselswhen she was a teenager.
(24:08):
This was common practicefor young noble women,
as they would often serve
in royal courtsand to form political alliances.
Brussels, Belgium.
Possibly, maybe.
But it was.
Margaret, according to citydocuments, was famous
for her beauty.
So it was like
in city documents recorded thatthis this lady was beautiful.
(24:30):
That's a level of beautythat I wish to achieve.
And she caught the eye
of the heir to the Spanishthrone, Philip the Second.
I had a bit of a Romeoand Juliet romance, and faced
opposition to the entanglementfrom both the Spanish
and her familyfor political reasons.
Tragically, young Margaret diedwhen she was just 21, poisoned.
(24:51):
It was suspectedher death was orchestrated
by those who saw heras a political threat,
including Philip's father, KingCharles the Fifth Night.
Of notable connections to snow.What are the following?
Margarethad an evil stepmother, right?
Well, evilmight be too strong of a word,
but her stepmother,
Catarina of Huddersfield,is thought to have been
jealous of her beautyand might have mistreated her.
(25:14):
The poisoning,
obviously reminiscentof the poisoned apple.
Yeah. And I guess you,
I guess youmight have one major question.
Where the dwarfs come from.Yeah.
Her hometown was knownfor its copper mines,
but her father actually ownedthe mine.
Used child labor. Yeah, right.
They were forced to workon the terrible conditions.
(25:35):
The children often had stuntedgrowth due to malnutrition
and hard labor, and werenicknamed by the townspeople.
Dwarfs. Right. There you go.
There may be a connectionto the,
poisoned apple here, too,as there is some speculation
that an old man would offertainted fruits to the workers
and other children he believedthat had stolen from him.
Okay, there you go.
(25:56):
That's the kind of the.
That's like,
oddly specific for one of these.
Yeah,like where everything is guys
like a directlike there was apples.
There was midgetchildren. It was like, yeah.
They're all surprisinglykind of like that, though.
You might be wrong.
Okay.
(26:29):
The next fairy tale
we're gonna look at is Rapunzel.
Rapunzel, let down your hair.
Are you wantingto recap this one,
or do you want meto go through my recap?
I'll give it a recap.
Okay.
So, Rapunzel,another one of these ones is.
Like you going up the Disneymovie or the fairy tale.
(26:50):
Well, I actually don't knowthe fairy tale, okay,
come to think of it.
But I'm sure it's, like,similar. It's very similar.
So, Rapunzel,
for some reason, it's like,oh, get up in that tower.
You got to stay there.
Until you until you one truelove comes and comes
and rescues you or something.
Or like someone who's worthycomes and rescues you.
Or maybe she wasn'teven supposed to be saved.
Maybe she was just meant
(27:11):
to live up there foreveruntil she died.
But anyway, this bloke comesoff. He's like, oh, he.
The only way I can get to youis if you let down your hair
and I'll climb up it.
And so she lets down the hairand he climbs up it.
And then how they get down,I don't understand,
like they got up thereby her hair.
They can't exactlyclimb down by her hair
unless they use it, I guess.
Like a like an absolute rope.
(27:33):
Like she ties a hairup to the roof
and then they upside down.
But at that point,why didn't she just do that?
I mean, surely she'd have todo that for the climbing up too,
because you imagine
someone climbing up your hair,like just on the window, like
like the next. Strength.
She had.
She had dope.That is what I'm hearing.
Just triangle. That's.
(27:54):
Rapunzel.
Rapunzel, I can't see your head.
The locks are in the way.
Is it? Let's,
Traps. That traps.
Oh, well.
Add that to the list.
Dumb things we said.
So you pretty much there.
So it starts with a poor couplelonging for a child.
During the pregnancy, the.
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She craves a plant calledRapunzel
that grows in the sorceressgarden.
The husband steal somethingfor her, but gets caught.
And then the sorceress demandsthe child in return.
Like the crime against her.
It feels like an overreaction.So that's how.
That's how you. Stolea snipping of plants? Yeah.
Give me your child.
So, yeah.
As she grows up,the sorcerer locks
in the tall, isolated tower.
(28:37):
Stays.
The sorceress.
Visit to get her. Their
sorceress chosen,
visither by saying the famous words
Rapunzel, Rapunzel, let downyour hair one day a prince.
He's. It's.
He's heard singing from a tiara.
Learns
how to enter the tower by,like, sneaking in the bushes and
and watchinghow the sorceress does it.
(29:00):
Yeah.
They fall in love.
The prince and Rapunzelfall in love.
He plans to rescue her.
However, the sorceress discoversthe prince's visit.
In a rage, she cuts off Rapunzeland banishes her to a desert.
The sorceressthen uses the cat hair
to trick the prince,and when he climbs the tower,
she reveals Rapunzel is gone.
Shocked,the prince falls from the tower
and is blinded by thornsand wanders in despair.
(29:22):
Eventually,he finds Rapunzel and don't.
Ouch.
Eventually,he finds Rapunzel in the desert,
and the tears of joyrestore his sight,
and they return to his kingdomand live happily ever after.
Also, she restores him.
Yeah, that's a nice twist.
The real story.
This one draws uponan early Christian story
around the third century A.D.,a very wealthy pagan
(29:47):
merchanthad a beautiful daughter.
It does not pay to be beautiful.
Apparently not.
You don't look disgusting.
Must be a witch.
What did. You do?
The style? Yeah.
He loved her so much he refusedto allow her to have suitors.
And that's what? Looker.
Why are you gonna tell whenhe would travel for business?
(30:07):
The daughter in her loneliness,converted to Christianity
and would prayfrom the top of the tower
so loud, in fact,that there could be.
The prayers could be heardthroughout the entire town.
Or so.
There was some workers that cameto the tower for renovations,
and she convinced them
to construct three windowsinstead of the plain two.
The three windowsrepresenting the Holy Trinity.
(30:27):
And she also snuck a priestin under the guise of a doctor
and got secretly baptized.Right?
Pretty rebellious stuff, right?
Yes. Yeah,
I certainly haven't had threewindows, but instead of two.
Eventually the merchant fatherwould be told if her conversion
and he would take overfor a Roman official
who insisted the father
behead heror forfeit his fortune
(30:48):
if she refused to relinquishrelinquish
her newfound religion.
Each again.
Overkill. Overreaction.
I'm thinkingyou can guess the way this went.
He beheaded her.
He beheaded her? Yeah,of course he did.
Little side note, it was saidthat the father was killed
on his way homeby a lightning strike.
Good luck.
He beheaded her, and then on hisway home, struck by lightning.
(31:10):
Good for the camera.
Yeah. Good.
So who was this damsel?
She was then recognizedas a martyr.
Sure. Yep.
And was sainted Saint Barbara.
Yeah.
I acted like I knew whothat was, but it's a cool.
You might know who it is.
So we'll get to the,
(31:31):
becoming a saint first.
So, like, you know, like therules for being a saint rather.
Yeah.
So the,I think I do have some miracles.
Yeah.
One of the stories say thatRapunzel flew around the room
when she was being chasedby the sword. Right.
Which were then why,she's fly out to tell us.
To get out thewindow. She becomes a pigeon.
Like,
(31:52):
tomb.
Miracles happen today, so.
Oh, okay.
So they're like,
you know, miracles happenwhere you're buried.
That's you. Yeah.
So Saint Barbara is nowthe patron saint of armors,
artillerymen,military engineers,
miners and otherswho work with explosives
because of her legendsassociation with lightning.
Okay,so I've. Sean was here, Sean.
(32:13):
And probably now he would.Definitely know Saint Barbara.
Yeah.
He'd be like in the 17thArtillery unit.
There's six pictures of her, and
the new peoplehave to wear them or something.
Yeah, yeah.So yeah, it's a little.
The symbol of Sean's previouswork career was Rapunzel.
There you go.
(32:33):
Glad he isn't here for that.
Oh, I.
Can't I can't imaginewhat he's saying in his car
or whereverhe's listening, just like, oh.
Just slapping his head in anger.
Oh. Oh, Slappy.
I love thathe's taking to that what's.
Good.
Let's just see how it works.
You ready to come roundto the next fairy tale?
Not all seem to end awfully,though.
(32:54):
Oh, good.
The next I was Cinderella sick.
Okay.You want to have Cinderella?
Yeah, sure.
So she lives with thestepsisters, and, they're, like,
kind of bitches.
And then they could doall the work.
Yep. And,
don't they normally golf so,like, balls and stuff?
Yeah.
And so she comes across
(33:15):
like a is it a fairy godmotheror something?
Someone gives her a wish. Yeah.
So it says that soon,
despite her hot conditions,she remains gentle and fair.
Yeah. The king announcesa grand ball to find abroad.
Yeah,for the prince and Cinderella
we should to attend,but is forbidden.
Yep. On the night of the ball,Cinderella's fairy godmother.
(33:37):
Yep. Appears. And?
And she's like, oh,I'm going to make you,
look good for one night.
You better be home by midnightor so.
She gives you the dressand what again?
Why put this weird,like, time limit on it?
Yeah, butanyway. She's given the dress.
And what else does shelike? Magic up.
The shoes.
Part of the clothing
that themice get turned into horses
(33:59):
and a pumpkingets turned into a coach.
Right? Yep.
So she offshe goes, goes to this ball.
Everyone's like,wow, look at, she's clean.
And that therefore makes herthe most beautiful person here.
Okay.
And so she's like, oh,
I'm going to gohang out with the prince.
And he's like, wow, you're hot.
How about yougive me your number?
And she's like, what. Does.
(34:21):
That mean, right?Start sounding.
Phones don't exist yet.
And he's like, oh, cool.
And then oh yeah, likeyou just said, the ding dong.
It's 1159.
And she's like, I better scoot.
So she runs away.
And while she's running,despite all of her clothes
turning back into normal crap,she loses her shoe.
And the prince is like.
(34:41):
Cause the only thing I've gotleft is this bloody shoe
that, for some reason, hasn'talso turned back into crap.
And I'm going to go find her.
And so he startsfinding every maiden in the land
and, like, touching their feet,which is a bit weird.
Now king shaming.
And then he's like,oh, your foot's too fat.
Oh, your foot's too skinny.
(35:02):
And the stepsisters, they'relike, oh, check my foot, sir.
And like, they squish himin there and they can't fit.
And eventually he finds her andhe's like, great, come with me.
Because your shoes, the rightsize.
Yep. Now that
did you know, in primary school,I played Cinderella.
You played Cinderella,I played Lady Macbeth.
(35:23):
Oh, really?
Yeah.
There you go. Progressively.
It was it was a thing wherewe gender swapped all the roles.
So the prince wasprobably by girl. Yeah.
I just did a silly voice.That's about.
It. Well, no one elsewanted to be Cinderella.
Yeah, right.
Anyway,so the Cinderella story is
believed to be basedon the story of Road Gypsies.
(35:44):
Okay. Great name.
This story is told by Greekhistorian Strabo.
Strabo, fantastic name.
Odysseus was a beautiful Greekwoman.
Again, not just beautiful.
Yeah.
Who was capturedand sold into Egyptian slavery.
Eventually she was freedand lived as a courtesan,
a successful one known for hergrace and her beauty.
(36:07):
One day while she was bathing,an eagle swooped down
and took one of her sandals.
The eagle, realizing its error,
dropped the sandal and it landedin the lap of the pharaoh,
right,
amazedby the beauty of the sandal
and believing it to be a divinesign, the Pharaoh ordered
a search of the kingdom to findthe woman who would handle.
Oh, look, this sandal, you know.
(36:27):
What the heck is that?
This?
Well, I think it was more alongthe lines of
he took it as a divine sign thatthe sandals fallen from a sky.
So, yeah,he searched the kingdom
for the woman who fit the sandaland ropes.
This wasthe one was found, and they.
And she was marriedto the Pharaoh.
And they livedhappily ever after there. Cool.
What a way to find love. Yeah.
(36:48):
So I went looking,
for this pharaoh.
For who was married to thisgreat girl. Yep.
It's Ami's or Amos.
The second was quoted, soI looked him up in his spouse's.
I couldn't find the gypsies,I don't know.
Her name was changedto like, an Egyptian name
because I knewthat was the thing.
Yeah.
(37:10):
But it was also said that
the marriage kind ofwas not well looked upon because
she was not from royal blood.
So that may have not been quotedas well.
Yeah. She'sjust a side piece. Yeah, yeah.
How aboutone more fairy tale, boy?
What have we got for time?
All right.
Yeah. One more fairy tale.
No. Okay, well,thanks for listening.
(37:33):
Of course.
Okay.
This oneyou probably don't think
has a real life background.
Yeah. Beauty in the beast.
Yeah.
Okay, I when you told me thisin the pre-show, I was like,
yeah, I do not think thatthat's got a real, real story.
Are you well versed on beautyand the beast?
No. Okay, good. Isn't it?
(37:53):
Doesn't she get like,
hang on, I vaguely not.
I've never actually
watched any of the beautyand the beast franchise.
The beast versed.
I'm not into.
Bites like that.
That's just. Weird.Based. Diverse.
Well, it'sjust the animated one.
And then the live actionwith, Emma Watson. Yes.
(38:14):
Isn't it that, like,
there's this house
and it's got the beast in itand all the local,
like she's meant to be marriedto this decade, and then.
Nobody throws like.
Cats,and then he's like a dickhead
to the beast,and she's like, screw you.
And ends up locked in the housewith the beast
and then finds outthat he's a nice bloke. Yeah.
And then everyone'scoming to kill him.
And turns out he's
(38:34):
actually a hot bloke in a suitor something.
Beauty. Yeah.
A kind of beautiful young womanlives with her father.
A once wealthy merchanthas fallen on hard times.
One day,
her father gets lostin the forest
and stumblesupon a mysterious castle.
He picks a rose from the gardenfor beauty,
but the castle's owner,a fearsome beast, catches him
and demandshis life as punishment.
(38:56):
Wow. I've read
the beastoffers to spare the father
if one of his daughterscomes to live with him.
Feeling responsible,
beauty volunteersto take her father's place.
Beautymoves into the Beast Castle,
and I initially frightenedRahim.
She's treated kindly.
By the time
I develop a deep friendshipevery night based on his beauty
to marry him, but she refuses,so she grows more fond of him,
(39:19):
missing her family,beauty asked to visit them.
The beast agrees, but wants her
to return within a weekor he will die of heartbreak.
Wow. Okay.
What a what a what a softie.
That's a bit.
That's a bit much.
Beauty sistersenvious of her life.
Convince herto stay longer than a week.
When she returns, she findsthe beast dying of sorrow.
(39:39):
Realizing she loves him, beautydeclares her love and agrees
to marry him.
This breaks the spelland the beast is transformed
into a handsome prince.
The prince explains thathe was cursed by a wicked fairy,
and that only true love couldbreak the enchanted right again.
Don't give them these out.
Why are you making the outspossible?
It's a. Crappy story.
(40:00):
If there's no chancefor a happy.
Okay. Yeah.
All right, I'moveranalyzing, but, like, okay,
if you're ever in the business
of cursing someone,don't give it some possible out.
Make it like,
you have to fly unassistedto Jupiter to break this curse.
Like, I'mglad you're not an evil fairy
or a witch or sorceresswho's cursing people
(40:22):
with these impulsive boom.
But, like, you just have to.
You're like.Come on, make it. Hard.
You have to fold yourselfinside out to break this curse.
Yeah, but make it impossible.
Why make it so easy?
Why even.Why does it have to have an out?
Just make it a curse.
You're terrible human.
Great witch. Though.
(40:42):
So the real story.
Petrus.
Gonzo Consultas.
Great name.
Yep. Was a man born in 1537on the island of Tenerife,
with a rare condition calledhyper try Coco dosis crisis.
Okay.
Hyper trichinosis, which causedexcessive hair growth
all over his body, making himlook like a wild man or beast.
(41:06):
At age ten,
he was taken to the court ofKing Henry the Second to France
as a giftfrom Margaret of Parma,
the regent of the Netherlands.
Is a gift.
It's thisguy with a lot of hair.
Yeah, ten year old.
There.
Instead of being treatedas an oddity, he was educated.
It became and became a partof court life.
(41:27):
Catherine de Medici,the King's wife.
Medici. Medici.
What I think, I think
I think she was French.
I tell you, that'show French done it.
Mediciwould be Italian, I'd say.
But the king's wife.
Yeah, well.
She's thethe wife of the king of France.
Yes. So she could be French.It doesn't. Matter.
(41:49):
She probably got beheadedat the end of it anyway.
Bro. Well,
So the king's wifearranged a marriage
to a beautiful Frenchwoman named Catherine Rathlin.
Despitetheir unusual circumstances,
they had several children,
and it was kind of considereda bit of an experiment
to see if the childrenwould get his condition right.
Some did, some didn't.
(42:10):
Okay.
Gone themselves appease,Gonzalez's appearance
and his loving relationshipwith Catherine
have been compared to the beautyand the beast story,
as he's based.
He looks were,
where contrast with his refinedmanners and intelligence.
This also said that he was
the king was very impressed withhis intelligence in the court,
(42:31):
like matters and stufflike that.
And their marriage symbolizeslove beyond appearances.
Good.
However,it is considered the links
to be more speculativethan direct,
but possibly an inspirationat least.
I mean, it's a nice storythe way.
So yeah, there's like morelikely it's just an inspiration
to the original fairytale of this beast looking man,
(42:52):
very hairy,
but well mannered and and politeand had a lovely wife
and children.
I mean, it just sounds likea nice, wholesome story.
Good on them.
There's a few other ones thatI didn't, end up writing about.
Bluebeard.
Never heard of that one. Nope.Nope.
About Hansel and Gretel.
I left that one out.
That was considered a, story,potentially of real origin.
(43:16):
Maybe we can do a part two.
Maybe we do.
But that has been cheeky.
Real tales.
I mean, haven'tthey all been real?
Yeah. Pretty much.
But you okay?
As I said, you wouldn't.
No one thinks of thesefairy tales having,
a real origin or some sort ofbasis in human history.
I guess if you think about it,they've got to start somewhere
(43:38):
with making up a story.
Yeah, yeah, making it up. So,
we all know the Disney
stories. Yes.
I encourage you, ifif this is piqued your interest,
go look up the Brothers Grimmversions like the original.
Yeah. Stories.
They're definitely darker.
They're very much don'tinclude your children in this.
(43:58):
No. Well, do you know,what is a troll? Me?
You want to give them?
I didn't realizea lot of these stories
originated from Germany as well.
Because the Brothers Grimm.Yeah.
They're German. German? Yeah.
Also, like, that area is like
it has been around forthousands of years with people.
So, I mean, I guess wayhas, but, you know.
Yeah. I foundit super interesting. So,
(44:21):
that's that I
don't have any more fairy taleslike I'm into,
please share this podcast.
Share this podcast with someonewho loves Disney movies. Yep.
They are ones.
What's your favorite Disneymovie book?
Actually? Oh, really?
Yeah. I enjoyed Herculesas a young fella.
I'd say The Lion Kingis probably my favorite. Yeah.
The original King's good.
(44:42):
The original animated one.
We lost, we lost, James EarlJones. Jr.
R.I.P to a real one.
To Mufasa and Darth Vader.
Do you know that the blokethat was the guy in the suit
for Darth Vader,that was English?
I had like a really high pitchedlike.
Yeah, he didn't know that.
He wasn't the voice until.
Until the premiere. Yeah.
(45:03):
You're like, oh, sick.I'm gonna be on screen.
And then nobody's 60 face.
It's really just voice. Got it.
And they don't
tell you until you get thereall the time.
It's really strange watching,like the unedited version
where it's him, just like,oh, I'm Darth Vader.
Ooh, there's plans now.
(45:23):
I got to find themrather than that I, you know.
Yeah. But yeah, like that.
Oh, Darth Vader movie.
Spooky.
Look, it.
You know how that madethat sound, right?
It's just scuba gear.
Just someonebreathing in scuba gear here.
There you go.
(45:44):
I think that makes sense. And,
speaking of the Star Wars again,the blaster fire.
Always like onyour dad, isn't it?
Do you have abecause you're an audio.
Yeah.
You know,that made the blaster far.
It's,I've seen a video recently.
(46:05):
On. Yeah, it's like bits of,it's stuff falling, isn't it?
Well, I think.
I think, yeah.
No, I think they were out on
location somewhereand they were near a tower with.
Yeah. High tensile,
like support wise.
Yes. Andyou just hit it with a shift?
Yeah.
It's like, dude, he's like,that's my blaster for.
Yeah, yeah.
(46:25):
So yeah, I thought it was that
or somethingbeing dropped on something.
But kind of marble glasskind of sounds like that.
Done it as a.
Yeah, yeah. Anyway.
How do they do the lightsabers?
Cuz I know youprobably would have studied that
when you went to, you.Know, actually.
Oh okay. Yeah.I don't know that one.
I think it was an audio feedbackin front of a speaker.
They were,they were doing some sort of.
Like, oh yeah, I could see that.
(46:46):
Not a, not a necessarily a.
It's a hum. Like it's a. Yeah.Not necessarily.
Microphone,but like a piece of electronic
equipment waved in front of aspeaker that would create that.
Yeah.
You go.
All right.
Somehowhere we go to the Star Wars,
the theme of that favoriteDisney movie.
Get, get, share this episodewith some of the Star.
Wars is Disney.
It is Disney.
(47:07):
Yeah. Someone who yeah.
Favorite Disney movie?
There you go.
But yeah,find all their socials.
Commentyour favorite Disney man.
Thank you. That's a good one.
Yeah. Some interactivity.
Maybe we'll even do a pollsomewhere nice.
So yeah, you can find
our socials at check
our spot on Facebook, Instagramand X it's it's X.
There you go.
(47:27):
It's been long enoughI'm getting up. Yeah.
Are we on reels?
No. I mean real gram threads.
I don't think we are.
You know, we're.
Are we not on the latestsocial media platform?
I'm not on threads.You want. I'm not on thread.
I started a threads.
I took about 15 minuteslooking at it.
I don't think I've ever openthe app again.
Okay. Yeah.
(47:48):
So we're not on threads.
But if you're listeningor watching, you know, it's,
you know, where to find us
on the podcast platformsor YouTube. Yep.
Or if.
You get your podcasts.Please share that though.
We would like to expand
our reaches where we've juststarted, like touching rails.
We're got a little footholdin England.
Let's get out there.Yeah. Fill up Europe.
(48:09):
Grow this community.
Share this. Kat. Yeah.
Not for us.
For the cat. Yeah.
Share it for a little polo
for the it. Okay.
It's like, just look over here.
Whatever. You seen him?
Yeah. That's the.That's for tonight's episode.
We'll be backnext week with Aaron's episode.
(48:30):
Oh, spooky.
It is the Halloween.Oh. So spooky.
You bitch. And head on thisor you doing a. Halloween on it.
Okay, good. Because you did.Say last episode. You were.
I was working on a waysaway out.
Okay, I decided no,I'm going to do it.
This will be your firstthemed episode. I've
no special episode.
No, I did a theme episode.
(48:52):
Well, remember the opener?
Was that season, but I.
I stole an episode.
A cold deadhands or something. No.
Yeah, I did.
I did one earlier this year.
I can't remember which oneit was.
Valentine'sday might have been Valentine's.
But that was kind oflike a combined thing with me.
I think Sean was here. I don'tknow what it would have been.
It doesn't matter.
(49:12):
But someone will tell usin the comments.
Well, it'sour first Halloween episode.
Yeah, the Halloween episode
should meanhe gets Christmas as well.
So maybe. That'show it's worked for me.
Oh, so close
and bought.
All right, well, good episode.
Boy likes boy. We'll see youin a fortnight in fortnight.
Good. Not good. Those.
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