We Make An Accusation Against a Celebrity - The Disappearance of the Patanela

The police may never have been able to solve this mystery, but we're pretty sure we have. And we take down a big name celebrity and a bunch of potential podcast sponsors in the process. Because we don't care about anything but the truth. Listen in as truth seeker Aaron takes open minded John and Sean through the tale of the disappearance of the Patanela.

 

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(00:00):
300km south?
Is it? South?
These words were the lastcommunication ever
received from a vesselwith four people aboard
sailing up the eastern coastof Australia.
After that cryptic message,the vessel and the four souls
aboard would disappear intothe murky depths of mystery,
though not necessarilythe murky depths

(00:21):
of the sea.
This week on CheekyTales, I'll be taking us through
a story of intriguewith strange communications,
weird decisions and yes,of course, dogs**t
Police work.
This is the story
of the mysterious disappearanceof the sailboat
Patanela.

(00:50):
He swore in the intro.
I did.
I was thinking of actuallynot saying anything
after we just interrupted it70 to 100 times.
So then when it gets to the bit
where you should speak,you like a little better,
not better, not even better.Not say anything.
That's the beat.That's the bit, isn't it? Right.
Yeah. Good one. Well.We're back.
So what was the name of theboat? Pata nella. Kneecap.

(01:10):
That's patella.
So that.
That's bad.
I need a new job.
Need a separate job?
You're right for that.
But cheapest.
So to use that, you allhave a job and a boat joke.
No, that was good.That was good.
Good one.
We haven't donepuns for a while.
And some puns for a long. Time.
She's up with a crack oneand then sneaking the good one

(01:33):
to make it even better.
Yeah, slipped it right in there.
That's another boat joke.
Slipper.
I mean, is it going.
That's a horse joke.The whole story.
Well, you got to watcha bunch of sailboats.
Not really. Well, actually.Little, like little.
Little. Tiny baby sailboats.
Yeah, it was a sailing club,so they were only just
sort of scooting around.
I'm not sayingwe're at. Dinghy size on screen.

(01:54):
And they're, you. Know,not quite screening around.
They weren't that big.
Lasering around perhaps.
Now, wewere at manly, for lunch today.
I thought you didn'tlike sailboats.
No, I don't like sailboatracing.
I think it's silly and boring.
That's like saying that.
Like I like darts.
Playing darts,but competitive on TV.
Darts, I think is silly,you know, like

(02:15):
sailboat racing. Makes no sense.
But sailing itself,you can't hate sailing.
It's like
one of the most importantaspects of human development
for someone racing.
It's like competitive parkour.
Like puck.
Oh, what about the, like,the world championship tag?
I don't like that.
Yeah okay. Anything.
There's also.
Doesn't there's.

(02:35):
Some nasty politics
behind the word competitive tagbut and I know.
Sorry if there's no back parkcircuit involved,
you don't really care.
So save that story.
For a story about now this.
Sort of politics of.
Competitive tag.
Do you mean the giant hit me up?
There was a brief video in therewhere

(02:56):
tag was, like making a car,like it was coming up
like it was on TV.
Like everyonewas talking about it
for a little bit forlike a month and that was it.
Yeah.
There is if.
Yeah I'll actually send youa video you probably won't.
It's not that interestingbut I might send it to you.
Do you mean the giant,which is a guy that I
watch a lot of my.So it's not that interesting.
I'm getting salty. It's old.
You're so big. It's good.

(03:17):
The most boring thingyou've ever seen.
I think you will like.
He's two hours long.
I think you will like him
as a content creatorand as a video blogger. He's.
He's really,really good. He's a British guy.
He similar to us,kind of sticks in his line,
which I appreciate.
What's our line?
Well,we have a 1 or 2 boats popular.
We're a popular history podcast.
Yeah, right.

(03:38):
We're a an interesting historyparty. Yeah.
Once a popular,we try and hit the things
that people don't know about.That's the whole point. Popular.
If you read the descriptionof our podcast.
Yes, I have, and when people askme what's your podcast about?
And you try to it's it'sinteresting
history and popular history.Yeah.
When I say Horrible Historiesfor adults
and most people go, it'sHorrible Histories.
And I go,oh no, don't worry about it.

(03:58):
Yeah.
So I just tell peoplethat we're a
very interesting and popularhistory podcast movie.
We, we watching the other day.
Oh, the kids werewatching, Paddington Bear.
I don't know if you.
Seen it live action one.Yeah, yeah.
And there's like a sequencewhere
something happens in the museum,the museums.
Godzilla with his.
Okay, it's the skeleton facedude from Horrible History

(04:20):
Museum got in Paddington.
I'm like, you know, he the thesekids, they're like, no, like,
skulls in space.
No way. Bourbon street.
Oh, that's cool.
What was that?
Nothing. I've just been.
I've been burnt by that thingin our last episode.
Oh, okay. Fair enough.
Nothing happened.I was just waking it up just.
By screaming. It off.But it wasn't. Recorded. Yes.

(04:41):
I've heard he's burnt anyway.
Yeah, we have a lineand he has a line.
I like that.
I think you go through there,you're going to knock something.
There
we go.
Beep if we die.
Hey, here he is, a big fella.
Speaking of Apollo Creed,another major day boxing.
Boxing reference, yes,but hollow.

(05:01):
Creed, which we were not.
Yeah. Oh, like Apollo Creed.
Played by.
Michael B Jackson.
Try again.
Jordan. Michael B Jordan.
No. Try again.
How about you just say it?
No, you don't know.
Do you know?
I don't know, it'sjust not what he does. He.
It's Carl Weathers. Hepassed away a little while ago.

(05:21):
Oh, R.I.P..Yeah, he played Apollo Creed.
Not this Michael B Jordan crap.
The new movies.
No one likes that.
Oh, they're awful.They are good.
They go, no, I.
George, are you trying.Are you comparing
the reboot crapto the original Rocky movies?
Wow. Yeah.
Duringthe original Rocky movies,

(05:43):
once you got past three,
right?
But they are classicsnonetheless.
For that standing.
But okay.
Anyway.
Anyway, I boxing Segway.
I didn't like watching that.
Like I knewit wasn't going to be great,
but watching Mike Tysonjust like slowly bumble

(06:05):
around the ring,it was kind of depressing.
I did see a videoand I was when I saw it live
like the first round.
Tyson landed that first jab
and then for the rest of thatround, I've got a
time for for the show.
Like, Sean was like tryingto really quietly reach out

(06:27):
to grab his beard, his chains,just like.
Like a second demonstration.
Yeah.
Towards the end of thatfirst punch. Yeah. And then
Jake Paul did
not want togo anywhere near him after that,
because I think that kind ofshocked him a little bit. Yeah.
And then I was sayinglike a meme to that.
It's like,
this is the moment Tysonrealized

(06:47):
he can't do this anymore.Otherwise he won't get paid
because it's like, face,great job.
What if in in his defense,no one in their right
mind would ever wantto be punched by Mike Tyson?
I don't
I don't want to get punchedby a 58 year old Mike Tyson.
Yeah, I don'tI don't want to be punched
by 90 rolled wheelchair
Mike Tyson like I likewhen he's at Muhammad
Ali specjust making racist jokes on TV.

(07:08):
Like, I don't want to getpunched by that.
Muhammad Ali got real racistin his later.
Years on the radio, right?
There's a couple of photosI've seen
where Tyson's throwing a punchand he looks like Tyson.
Yeah, right.
Like he got his eyesall crunched up.
His teeth are out.
Like he looks like Mike Tysonthrowing a punch.
And I went, I'mglad it wasn't me.

(07:29):
It was not.
And I, I know peopleare trying to make it like, oh.
It was rigged.
No, I've seen nevera real fight.
It was never going to bea real fight.
It was an exhibition fight
and it was all about Mike Tysonpointing out the fact
that Jake Paul is a characterin the boxing arena,
and it was Mike Tysonhanding over the reins of like,

(07:51):
hey, you're the showman now.
And promoting the undercardas well.
Yeah, like that undercardfights. Right? Right.
Every one of them was great.
And I would legitimate fights.It was it was excellent.
As opposed to Conor versussorry McGregor.
Mayweather. Mayweather,Pacquiao.
They were theythey were just straight up
exhibition things to bankrollFloyd Mayweather,

(08:11):
greatestdefensive boxer of all time.
Probably one of the biggest craphumans of all time as well.
Manny Pacquiaonot not a great deal better.
Most boxes are assholes.Yes, right.
Like if you if you tear backthe the veil of the performer.
I mean.
If your professionis to punch someone in the face,
I don't think you're going to bea great person.
Yeah.
For every million dollarsFloyd Mayweather has made,

(08:32):
he's also had that many chargesof domestic abuse
against his partners,which is just awful.
Yeah, he's not a nice person.
One thing you can say for JakePaul,
and I recommend
you watch The Untold documentaryon him on Netflix,
because it will open your eyesto what he's doing.
And I know it's a very like it'swhitewashed for him.

(08:52):
But when was the last timeanyone cared about boxing?
And then Jake Paul comes outand everyone's like,
I'm going to go watch the boxing
so I can see himget punched in the face.
Especially if you comefrom a country
that isn't a big boxinglike Australia.
It's always been a bit of.A we've had some good boxers.
Had some good boxers,
and we consistently have goodboxers like we've always got
at least onethat's doing pretty good.

(09:15):
And if we don't, we've got a UFCfighter feeling this way.
But plenty of other countries.
I mean, Manny Pacquiaois from the Philippines.
Yeah, not.
That many champions.
Look, I'll be honest,
that is the first liveboxing event I've watched.
Yeah, it helps that I didn'thave to pay for the Netflix.
Yeah, or Main Event in 2003to watch mundane vague Rain.

(09:37):
Yeah.
Which also went toa crappy decision. Yeah.
Anyway, I didn't likeseeing Mike Tyson in that state.
I wish, I wish I'd been ableto see him in his prime.
But the end of round two,I was like, oh, he looks
pretty much didn't look goodwhen he walked out, right,
like I did.
Well, did you say he'she made a post today saying,

(09:59):
you know, like six months agoyou missed Darren.
He had to have eight pintsof blood
transfusion, stuff like that. So
I mean good on him.
Mark.
He's a 58 year oldthat went eight rounds
with a 27 year old boy.Yeah. Yeah.
And if you expected to seea real fight
maybe. Don't expect. That.
Yeah I was expectingmaybe the first round.

(10:19):
Tyson's going to throw a fewpunches and knock Jake down.
I thought he might havegot him in the first round
when he still gotthat explosiveness.
But but he never had it.
But the stat that I heard stuff.
I mean you seethe training videos of him.
It looks like he had a bitthere. Yeah advertising.
And Jake Paul is a substantialreach advantage.
Was two. Inches.
Yeah it's quite a ways
because he's a mytrust is not a super tall man.

(10:42):
And his boxing stylehas always suited his stature.
The one thing that did comeout of the
the show yesterday was MikeTyson's ass.
Yeah,that was amazing, that moment.
No one expected. That.
Well,I immediately messaged their
group chatand then Darren replied, I.
Was running around trying.
To come up for like.I gotta tell the boys.
I gotta say,if anyone else saw that.

(11:03):
Everybody else and everyonein the barber shop wrote it up.
Yeah, of course it did.
It's hilarious. I like. It,you know, it's. Pretty funny.
Mike Tyson peopletalking about like,
why Mike Tyson slapped himand then they zoom in.
It's like,because he stepped on his toes.
He goes, I hate peoplestepping on my feet. Yeah.
And someone's a, you know, likehe stepped on his toes.
Like that's it.
There was a stat that they saidat the start about Mike Tyson's
career, and he'd had like

(11:24):
it hadlike 44 knockouts or something.
50 wins with 44. Knockout.
And 21 of them happened in the.
First round, whereI think he was raising wild.
21 times.
People went to see MikeTyson fight
and he just knocked the guy outstraight away.
And like within the first twominutes, that's wild.
Incredible.
And I don't think we'll ever see
someone got a boxerlike that again. Yeah.

(11:45):
Yeah I an immensesporting figure.
Like the thing
I said to Kirstie,I said to Mike Tyson's that old
the next game
or Super Nintendo gameSuper punch it.
Mike Tyson was the boss.
Yeah. Coming up in the 88.
Mike Tyson saw all that.
50% of the peoplethat I work with in

(12:05):
the barbershop were not born
when he beat EvanderHolyfield in.
Was under three.
Yeah.
No, it was 94, I think.
Yeah it was yeah.
It was 90. Four was a year.
Were you won.
Out in one and a half?Yeah, yeah.
But like got like eight people,nine people
work in my barbershopand 50% weren't alive when he.
Bit of an Holyfield's ear.
Crazy.

(12:25):
You want to look up a fightthat you might have this
for the supplementals
photos of the fatherof the police trying to arrest
Tyson after that incident,but terrifying.
He's like they're fully grownup, still there.
Like they had budgeted the six.
There was, I think, sixpolice officers trying to arrest
Mike Tyson or.

(12:46):
Right.
Thanks. Yeah.
Anyway, shout out to a hero.
That's enough. Well,we shouldn't say that.
He was a bit of a dickin his time, but these days,
it seems like he'sa much better guy.
Excellent. In The Hangover,
he had some beerto the south of the episode.
We had more topical event.
This is the benefit of recordingnot two in a row.
Anyway, we're not a weeklate on the topic of when,

(13:07):
but if we had to wait until nextrecording. Yeah.
How did the sort of.
Oh, that was great.
Yeah. Anyway,we should, get to the story.
We've been ramblingon a bit now.
Okay, let's just sayThe Simpsons did it again.
Did you say the thingthat come up with The Simpsons?
No. They did.
Yeah. We watched the.
At home affording it. Awesome.
Yeah, it wasn't awesome.

(13:28):
It was a Frederick. Tyler.
Tatum that was modeled on Mike.
It was it was time again.
I can't do it too close to itbecause then everyone I know,
he he's a time traveler.Let's get back to the Patton.
Yeah. What's the.
Yeah.
The kneecap.
Just going to have to ignorethat.
We're going to have to geta better chair for you to.

(13:50):
Make a chair, better microphone.
Mike. Stand. Yep.
Across the boardupgrade for Sean. Well.
I mean, I provided my own cable
and my own ampand my own headset.
Yeah.
And I will provide your ownmicrophone and chair.
Mom. Mommy!
Mama. The Pat nella room.

(14:10):
Wasn't just a vessel
that went missing onenight off the coast of Sydney.
It had already developedquite a backstory
of its own before its eventualjourney up the coast.
The Pat Ella had begunlife in the 1950s,
spending most of its timein the Southern Ocean,
but occasionally being usedfor around the world journeys.
It was a 19 meter steel schoonerwith four watertight

(14:33):
bulkheads, three large sails,and a bright yellow hull.
Did you say steel? Yes.
I think that's the greatestmaterial to be making a
I don't want to show.
It probably wasn'ta straight steel.
It just seems not the bestmaterial to make,
as I don't want to say boat,but I won't say ship.
It's a ship.
It's a ship that's just.

(14:54):
Yeah, a ship.
Sean, quickly,
we look up what the differencebetween a boat and a ship is.
So this thing's. Like, I'm.
I'm gonna throw.My guess is out first.
It'll bewhat is required to have a crew.
One isn't requiredto have a crew.
Or it's going to be displacementor. Like, size. Yeah.
So it mayhave been coerced from the very.

(15:15):
Beginning to coerced cheap.
Maybe. Okay.
As its builder made the claimthat it was unsinkable. Not.
So it had four watertightbulkheads.
One one room.
Yeah.
No, I don't don't.
Don't say you boat's unsinkable.
Because it's going to get sunk.

(15:38):
What's the difference.
A boat cannot carry a shipbut a ship can carry a boat.
It's not the definition.Yes it is.
Okay.
So if it's got like a dinghyon it, if.
It's big enough to carrya small vessel, it's a ship.
Okay.So what if you had like it.
So I've got say my dad's 15fthalf cabin.
Yes. Yep.
And then I get an AC.

(15:58):
No. Because you can't.
Get any boats. Not a boat.
You can't get in it. It'snot a boat.
Well, you didn't sayyou had to get in it a boat.
You just said a shipcarries a boat.
I got a little tinyminiature boat.
Yeah, a miniature boat.
It doesn't say a shipcan carry a miniature boat.
Because thenevery boat's a ship.
A boat is a small.
Put, a small a boatthat's my point.
Smallmarker pointed to the mouth.

(16:21):
Right.
So do you rememberfrom the Titanic episode,
the watertight bulkheadsand what they do?
Yes. Right.The audience might be.
So if you've got a shipor a boat
and it's got watertightbulkheads, they are bulkheads
that run like oppositeto the length of the ship
that can be sealed offfrom the other ones,
so that if they're breached,

(16:41):
the other onesdon't fill with water. Yeah.
So most boats these daysor ships will have watertight
bulkheads of some sort.
And generally
if one of them gets pierced,the rest of the boat
and the boat will be fineand won't sink.
In the case of the Titanic,it was for.
Yeah. Where theI think they could have three.
Yeah. No, I think it was four.And the fifth one.

(17:01):
This one. Yeah.
It like rolled over the top.
Doesn't matter.
In this case it.
Had to be someone,someone forgot to shut the door,
which filled upthe bow of the fifth one.
I think it was.
I know you're thinking
the Britannicwhere they had the windows open.
Okay. Anyway, in the case of.
The windows were openin the submarine.
The unsinkable pattern.
Ella.

(17:22):
In 1958, it was being usedas a cry fishing boat
and found itself in the first ofits notable incidents
while fishing in closeto the shore, the.
Sandbank. No.
The boatsmashed into a submerged rock,
breaching one of its bulkheads,but thankfully not a second,
leaving the shipable to limp back to shore

(17:43):
over the next 14 hours,arriving back in port at 9 a.m.
the next day.
The story,along with its numerous
Antarctic voyages,would give the ship a reputation
as a ship that wouldn't faltereven in the worst conditions.
So was this a partof the Antarctic expeditions
you may boardin your previous episode?
No, because this was inlike the late 50s at least.

(18:05):
Yes, yes.
It was exactly this featurethat caught the eye of famed
adventurer Bill Tilghmanfor an upcoming expedition.
Bill had fought in WorldWar One, earning
two Military Crossesfor his bravery,
and after the war he would begin
climbing with his friendEric Shipton,
making numerous climbsaround Africa

(18:25):
and forming a very famousclimbing pair.
When he finally left Africafor England, he didn't just fly
no, Bill rode a bicycleacross the continent, instead.
As he do. What a mad lad!
As he moved into the 1930s,
he would startto become involved
in the effortsto climb Mount Everest,
doing reconnaissancethat would eventually become

(18:46):
the standard approachfor summiting.
So the approach that they usenow, this one
that this guy didreconnaissance.
For, is it named after. Him? No.
Did you hear?
They found they reckonthey found the guy.
Like the one that apparentlyclimbed Everest in like the 20s.
Yeah, that
from the very first expeditionthey reckon they found.
Well, they found part of him.
So they think they're
they're going to be ableto find his original body

(19:08):
and then whetherit will have evidence on it.
But his original body.
Yeah.
It's not his Clone Wars copy.
They found parts of himthey found.
Oh, no. Oh, no. It'sjust so funny.
Because they reckonhe had a camera on him
and they never recoveredthe camera. Yeah.
And this would shed light as towhether he actually
summited Everest,which is interesting.
Because there is a chancethat they did in like

(19:30):
1920 or 1930 or somethingdecades.
It's going to be another story.
Yeah. Decadesbefore Sir Edmund Hillary and,
Tenzing Norgay, thank you.
It was his episode.
Don't look at me. Wait.
You should know.
You should know. That.
That's pretty common knowledge.I don't know why.
That when Sir EdmundHillary from.
New. Zealand. Thank you.
What?
No NZ what what what notizie on.

(19:54):
It's the tenor isn't.
It's the five.
I think.
Let's reminisce.
Is it the New Zealand foreign.
Because yes.
I don't dealwith New Zealand money
anyway.
Tilman would even inferiorcountry.
We're working. Hello.
Righto.
American John.

(20:14):
Everybody elseexcept my country.
My God. The center of the worldrevolves around me.
I'm wearing a Packersjersey. It's their.
Australian colors.
Thank you. That'swhy I'm wearing it.
Because the cricket startsnext week.
Australia, India.
And there's a T20 tomorrow.
That's why you're wearing a.
Green and gold. Greenand gold jersey.
Packers jersey, which has yourlast name on the back of it.

(20:34):
Can't can't quite make theconnection really solid there.
But I see what you're doing.
Well, the Packers are happyas well as the Bengals.
So this could be the reasonI'm wearing it okay.
Tillman would even brieflyhold the record
for the highest mountainsummited with a successful
ascent of the mountainNanda Devi in 1936.
Can you say that number againfor me, please?

(20:55):
Nanda Devi or Devi?
He would take a
brief break from mountaineeringto fight in World War two.
Earning a Distinguished ServiceOrder
and the keysto the city of Baleno in Italy,
before returning to exploration,buying his own vessel,
a relatively small boatcalled mischief,
and sailingthe Arctic and Antarctic
in search of new mountainsto climb.

(21:17):
So what an adventurer.
Yeah.
This bloke was,he was said to thrill seeker.
He said that it was prettycommon, like post war,
for people to be like, oh,
I've got a bit of survivorguilt,
so I'm just going to doa bunch of stuff there.
Okay.
So that's whatthis guy was doing.
He was like,I'm just going to live
for the guysthat can't turn off. Yeah,

(21:38):
he would
find a mountain on an islandnamed Herd Island.
That would catch his eye.
If you imagine a triangle madebetween Australia,
Africa and Antarctica, HerdIsland sits smack
bang in the middle of it,so it's pretty far from anything
that means that it sitsin the middle of the fearsome
Southern Ocean, with itscyclonic winds and high seas,

(21:59):
a tough place for any sailorto safely traverse.
Measuring just 23 miles by 12miles,
Hood Island was almost entirelymade of mountain
with the peak known as Big Bensitting in the middle.
So you said 23 miles.
So it's not about 30.
1.6 miles to a, 1.6 to. 35

(22:20):
kilometers. 3540. Yeah.
By 12.
Not not the biggest, not big.
And it's mostly mountain.
Oh. Yeah.
Much of the mountainscovered in glaciers as well.
And it's so small.
Most of them are washedby the sea. That's cool.
I just end in the sea.Yeah. That's cool, that's cool.
I'm gonna have to Google Maps.
This place is pretty cool. Yeah.

(22:41):
Unsurprisingly, the Wikipediapage on the Hood Islands.
Because there's a group of them.
Do you want to guessthe population?
Oh, it's like 5 or 6.
13. Now it's zero.
I don't even know why theybother putting it all there.
It's under the state.
The census. Yeah, it was too so.
Oh, I thought they might havebeen like a, research
station there. Yeah.

(23:02):
I mean, Wikipedia.Goes in the boring job.
Why do you have the population
and the census datewhen the population is zero?
Just just leave it.
Just, like, uninhabited.
Sean, what's the populationof Wake Island?
Of Wake Island?
Which one's that?
It's one of the little islandsout in the Pacific
that were like, Oh, yeah.
For space. It's an atoll?

(23:23):
Yeah, it's anatoll. Was it part of midway?
No, midway was another.
Yeah. Pacific base.
But I think, like,
has a populationbecause there's still a
research base there,but it's very small.
Because there's a coupleof those like
down in the Antarctic region.
Its estimate is zero.
But it states nonpermanentresidents of probably 100.

(23:46):
But has zero permanence.
I love the estimateof maybe zero.
But if. You have zero if.
You go midwaymidway has a native
or permanent residence there.
Yeah.
Anyway, with all of thisconsidered,
therewasn't going to be a way to get,
to get mischiefis a little boat to the island.
Nor would there be any way,
any way to anchor itwhile on the island.

(24:07):
So it's gonna behard to get there.
Couldn'tanchor it while I was there.
Tilmanwould then hear of the pattern.
Nilla.It's a really funny thought.
What we should be doing thisepisode, bro playing.
So you'll to.
So Tilmanwould hear of the pattern.
Nilla would use the vesselto reach Herd Island in 1965,
eventually summiting
Big Ben and making headlinesaround the world.

(24:30):
Good job.
It was clear that the voyageand summit
had only been possible due tothe hearty and reliable pattern.
Ella.
The pattern
Ella and Tilman would part waysafter the voyage,
but this story would be closerthan anyone had expected.
As we already knowthe pattern, Ella
would disappear in the 1980s,but before that
Tilman had his ownvanishing act to complete.

(24:51):
So I got this piece in the 80s.
And why did you just sayit was built?
It was built in the
50s. 50s?
Let's.
Yeah, it's not too bad,but yeah, we started
with Tilman back in the.
Tilmanwas around for World War One.
Yeah, yeah.
In 1977,Tilman, at the age of 79,
would be attemptingto lead an expedition

(25:12):
to Mount Foster in theAntarctic, aboard the UN Avante.
The ship would leave Riode Janeiro
and never be heard from again.
It would be presumedthat the vessel was lost at sea,
with all handsgoing down with her.
That have beenin the Bermuda Triangle.
No, the she was up.
Like, yeah, yeah,top of Bermuda. Sorry.

(25:33):
Yeah.
She said, I was thinking
we remember that.
This would happen some 11 yearsbefore the loss of the pattern.
Ella giving an eerie duality
to the story of the manand the boat.
The pattern Ella would continueto make headlines
through the next decade as well.
In the 1970s, it was ownedby a man named Norm hunt

(25:54):
and during and around the worldjourney
he found himself in the patentvilla Iced in Greenland Harbor,
dodging icebergs for daysbefore finally making it out.
Later in the same voyage,
Norm would leavethe Patent villa docked in Kenya
unattended for just 30 minutes,and when he returned, Carl
warned thatthe boat had been ransacked.
Everything valuable, gone.

(26:15):
It might only be a little boat,but it sure did have a rich
and storied historycoming into the 80s.
It was, however, onlyjust getting started.
So now we finally get to
the actual voyagethat we're talking about today.
Dude, billTillman wrote so many books.
Yeah, so many books.
He basically just spenthis whole life doing cool stuff.

(26:37):
He probably wrote themwhile he was sailing between.
Yeah.
Because back then it would havetaken months to get anyone.
Yeah. And then he disappeared.
Yeah, I just said that. Yeah.
It's crazy.
So just really up to that point,did you know he disappeared?
Yeah. This part looksjust like the ship.
Man there is.
He has so much informationtrying to keep track
of what he's sayingand get ahead at the same as.

(26:59):
The list of stuff that BillTillman did is mess is.
Massive. Yeah.
This was his real name,William proper.
It was Harold. William.
No, I'm serious, it'sHarold, it's Harold.
William I'm laughing at him.
Billy.
Billy I know I got his middlename is Billy.
Billydid. Not. It's not even like.
Oh, his middle name was William.It's Billy.

(27:20):
Yeah.
I mean, a few people do that.
By 1988,the patent Ella had been passed
throughthe hands of various owners,
and it had recently been purchas
It was
valued ataround $500,000 at this point.
Must be nice.
Alan would completeseveral upgrades,
including the additionof a radar on board

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to give them the positionof nearby ships and land,
and he had the boatdocked in Perth.
He had a plan to vacationin the Whitsundays
in Queensland, basing themselvesat a level which we know well,
where they would thenstay and charter the vessel at.
They would set sail on October
16th of 1988with a crew of six on board.

(28:03):
There would be Nicole himself,his skipper Ken Jones, Ken's
wife Noreen and their daughterRhona Lee, and two young crewmen
named John Blissettand Michael Calvin.
Blissett and Calvinhad only recently joined
the crew,
meeting Nicole in Fremantleand striking a deal
to join the journeyto gain hours
they could use towardstheir navigational certificates,
and would eventually workas crewman

(28:24):
for the charter businessonce they were in Ailey Beach.
Yeah, so they're in Perth 20 to.
Yeah. Half circumnavigate. Yeah.
Australia cut across the Bightand then they're going to
chuck it.
Left it at Melbourneand then cut up the coast.
Yeah.
Pretty straightforward.
Yeah.
The journey would be around

(28:45):
the bottom of Australiaacross the greater side.
But then around MelbourneVictoria get.
The old Sable Roaring 40s behindyou coming across
best right now.
The dollar Australia.
Yeah.
The old the roaring 40s.
I don't really knowanything about the but.
It's like a really famous windthat goes from like the western.
So I believe it'sthe western part of Australia

(29:06):
all the wayacross to the eastern side
on the southern end.
I'll tell you what,when I flew back
from Perth to Brisbane,
it was so much fastercoming back. Because.
These are a strong westerly wind
that occurin the Southern hemisphere.
Generally between latitudes40 and 50 degree.
The strong eastwardair currents.
It's kind of not
across the board.
It's actually more more souththan that.

(29:28):
Yeah, it's more acrossTasmania to New Zealand.
Oh kind of it's coldby the combination of air
being displaced from the equatortoward the South Pole,
Earth's rotationand the scarcity of land,
scarcity of land massesto serve as windbreaks
at those latitudes,
because there's nothingin the Southern Ocean.

(29:49):
Ain't nothin down there, bruv.
And it's very,very obvious in the Cook Strait,
in betweenthe islands of New Zealand.
And as someone who's calledthe ferry from the South Island
in Picton into Wellington,it's pretty rough,
like, all the time.
It's it's rough all the time.
Well, the start of this journeywas smooth sailing.
Beautiful juxtaposition.

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Stopping in Esperanceon the south coast of Western
Australia on October 24th
before making it to Port Lincoln
in SouthAustralia on October 29th.
At thisstop, Alan Nicol and Ronald
Lee Jones would disembark
for some other workrelated commitments.
Whilewe only would stay off the boat.
Alan Nicol was scheduledto get back on the boat and,

(30:32):
I keep saying boatinstead of ship.
Just imagine that I'm sayingthe same word every time.
But picture yourself.
Picture yourself looking ata script and it's got two words.
It's been a while.
Since we've made that reference.
The shout out Sam West.
Glenn, who still makes that joke

(30:54):
to this day when we catch upalmost every single time.
I hope Campbell is trading youwell,
and I hope ami being done tryingto listening to this podcast.
Yeah, actually, so do I.
Yeah. Get your eyes on it.
So Alan was scheduled toget back on the boat in Sydney,
the ship in Sydney,when the patent Ella
was scheduled to dock thereon November 8th.
The plan was to

(31:14):
then meet his familyin a beach on November 18th.
Alan really would have no idea
that when they steppedoff the boat,
they would never seetheir crewmates or the.
Patent miller. Ever again.
Foreboding.
I mean, I kind ofblew it in the open up.
But on November 4th, Alanwould receive a radio call from

(31:34):
Ken claiming the boat was dockedin Portland in Victoria
and that they needed moneyto buy more fuel.
Alan would transfer the moneyto Ken to.
South by East Wind.
I mean good point.
Oh no, there's a
of a yeah into the most stuff.
And Ken withdrew it that day.

(31:54):
So Alan sendingthe money can get it out.
But there wasn'tany clear evidence
that he purchasedfuel with the money.
Yeah.
On November 5th, MichaelCalvin would call his father,
but all he could get out was.
Good night, dad.
Before the cold disconnected
on November 6th, Ken Joneswould call in his position.
Call in his positionwhen passing a beggar

(32:16):
in New South Walesby his famous Chinese bakery.
Yeah, I know, I know that.
Stop saying Baga.
Beggar.
Is not the same as the. Chief.
Haig is famous for it.
You couldn't have it.
There's no ambiguity in that.
There's an ad for it.And we even quoted the ad.
To the ad, said it.
Right. Oh, how bad is that?

(32:36):
My God.
So I'm told.When passing beggar.
Tits on a bull, I swear.
In the hit song of Old.
Screen door on a submarine.
Or handlebarson a washing machine. Yeah.
When he
called in his positionwhen passing beggar
in New South Wales, before Pat
Ella was spotted by a lighthouse
keeper off point Perpendicular.

(32:58):
At Robin Diculous. Sorry.
At roughly 1 a.m.
on November8th, a call was received
by the OverseasTelecommunication Commission
from Ken Jones, statingthat they were ten miles east
from botany Bay,and he knew they he would say,
I believe we've run out of fuel,we've hoisted our sales
and we're tracking outto the east, tracking about 080.

(33:22):
Our intention is to tac outfor a couple of hours,
then tack back in.
We may need
some assistance in the morningto get back into Sydney Harbor.
An hour after this message,Ken called back
to ask for directionsto the town of Moorea,
300kmsouth of their current position.
They got theirdirections, but then called back
a few minutes later, this timewith a lot of static,

(33:43):
and made the callthat was in the intro.
300km south.
Is it. South?
This would be the last messageheard from the vessel,
and after thisit would vanish into the night,
never to be heard from again.
Obviouslythat lost their thinking.
They're off the coast of Ray.
Where they botany Bay?
No, the town they wanted to go.

(34:04):
Maria.
Well, they said initially
that they're off the coastof botany Bay. Yeah.
And that they were they believedthey were out of fuel.
Then thesesounds like he's confused,
but this town is 300kmsouth of them.
But they might.
It sounds likethey were thinking
they were off the coast of it,
thinking thatone of the directions in.

(34:24):
Well,no, because he knew he was.
He said, we're outsidebotany Bay.
Okay?
We believe we're out of fuel.
We're going to do this.
We're going to go out that way,
and then we going to come backin Sydney Harbor.
And then ten minutes later he'slike, how do we get to Maria?
He wants yeah, 300 K.
So that's what confused me.
I thoughtI knew where they were,
but then they're tryingto get somewhere else.
Rondo has gone to Sydney Harbor.

(34:45):
Right. Well,why don't just do what you said.
You don't.
Yeah, yeah.
So what happened next?
While there had been a planfor Allen to board the patent,

(35:07):
Ella on the eighth in Sydney,
when the patent Ella didn'tarrive that day,
he didn't raise the alarm.
He wouldn'traise the alarm at all, in fact.
And it would take Peter Jones,Ken's son, to raise the alarm.
11 days later
when the ship didn'tarrive in Ailey Beach
and he couldn't reach his fatheron the radio, the federal Sea
Safety and Surveillance Centerin Canberra was notified,

(35:29):
but they were
refused to conduct a search,as it had been 11 days
since the patternElla was last heard from.
And they would need to search200,000km² of ocean.
So they were just like,it's been 11 days, dude.
Yeah, it could be anywhere.At the point. Yeah.
The patent Ella was equippedwith an EAP
or emergency positionindicating radio be very good.
Everyone who goes out on a boator ship should have

(35:51):
the ship or boatshould have any hope.
Yes, because it puts outa signal for 48 hours
if it's triggered,
could either be triggeredmanually by the crew
or automaticallyif it was submerged in water.
There was no Epirb signalsent by the vessel that night,
so there wasn't a starting pointto search
except the, you know,the position they reported
they were in offthe coast of Sydney.

(36:12):
But yeah,
there would be a three year
government investigationcarried out.
But in 1992shout out to 92 babies.
A coroner's Court inquestdeclared that the Peyton Ella
had probably sunk
after being hit by a largervessel charter boat.
But charter boat.
They gave absolutely no reasonfor this conclusion,

(36:32):
as there had been no reportof a collision and all
48 other boats in the area
that night had been checkedfor damage, with none found.
Okay, so they've just gone,probably just.
Yeah. Got hit. Got hit.
What are you gonna do?
They were also multiplesightings of the Payton Ella
after this.
Not all over the easternseaboard of Australia.
Ghost ship,even in Southeast Asia.

(36:54):
But noneof these were confirmed.
By the ghost ship.
Oh, true. Spooky.
Couple weeks late for that.
Yeah. Hey, what are you doing?
Peter Jones would have somethingto say about the message
received at 1 a.m.
on the eighth from his father,though stating it's clearly
my father's voice on the tape,
but it doesn't seemto be his words.

(37:14):
I don't think he'd ever sayhe believed he'd
run out of fuel.
He's tooexperienced to be so vague.
I think his radio callswere veiled calls for help.
And that's some speculation.
But it makes sense, right?
How do you believeyou're out of fuel?
You're either out of you or not.
Sorry.
Sometimes you just say things,

(37:35):
but they're just added words
as part of emphasis.
When you'retalking on radios, often
you'll find a wayto draw out the message
so that it becomes clearerthe further.
Same thingif you're shouting at someone
from further away,
you don't say the words as shortas you would say them.
If they're in front of you,you say them longer
to make surethat they're understood clearly.

(37:56):
But he's saying that pirate'sso well,
the boat's been just a project.
But that's kind of theinsinuation. What he's implying.
Yeah.
So Peter definitely thought thatsomething fishy was going on,
but it didn't seem as thoughthe authority there.
Was no fishing happening.
You don't know thatthey might have been fishing.
Oh, I don't think so.
It didn't seem as thoughthe authorities
wanted to put in the timeto investigate properly.

(38:17):
Allen Nichols also statedthat he didn't believe
that the patent Ellacould have run out of fuel,
as it 3500 liter fuel tankswere filled at the start
of the journey, with additionalfuel being added along the way.
Although there's no evidencethey actually did.
Purchase the fuel. There's justhe just wired the money, got.
The moneyand he withdrew the money.
No evidence.He actually bought fuel.
They're already hijackedat that point.

(38:37):
And that's where they're gettingthe money off potentially.
Potentially.
Six monthsafter the disappearance,
on May 9th of 1989, fishermen30 miles north of Sydney
discovered a barnacle coveredlife ring floating off the coast
afterthey wiped away some growth,
they found that it was adornedwith the name

(38:57):
Pat and Ella.
The Ring.
The ring would be sent to SydneyUniversity for testing,
and the marine biologistthere would conclude
that the growth on the ringindicated
it had been in the waterfor only four weeks,
which could mean thatthe patent Ella wasn't sunk
as the authorities claimed.
It was still silent around.
Had instead instead

(39:21):
went Kiwi for a minute,but instead had still been float
until at least April of 1989.
Alan Nicol also statedthat the life ring
had to be manually removedby the crew, and wasn't
something that could just comeloose and fall off
the ring.
The trying to breadcrumb it ifthey're still alive on the boat.
Breadcrumb. In it.

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The marinebiologists also stated
that they were able to determine
that the marine life on the ringindicated
it had been in the Coral Seawhen it entered the water,
and that it was likely thatthe ring had drifted drifted
from a point near Cooktownin northern Queensland,
further north than eventhe intended destination of a.
Further north and Airlie Beach.
To back this theoryup, two of the sightings

(40:02):
of the patterns mentioned beforewere at the Rockingham Bay
that were in Rockingham Bayin March of 1989,
and then at Fraser Islandon June 9th, both locations
being between to Ringleand Cooktown.
So, sorry, what island was it?
Fraser Island.
What's it called now? Colby?
According to Gary. Yeah.

(40:24):
I mean, back in 99,it was Fraser.
Yeah,
I got to pay.
Please bear with us
audiences and goesto the little boy's room.
Have a wee wee.
Doo doo doo doo doo doo doo
doo doo doo doo doo doo doodoo doo doo doo.

(40:46):
Yeah.
If it doesn't comethrough the microphone
because it'd be awkward.
This license for jazz music.
Yeah. Please enjoy the license.Free jazz music.
Enjoy royalty free jazz music.
That was royaltyfree jazz, by the way.

(41:07):
I love good, royalty free jazz.
Famous, famous,
uses of it on the showwas when John knocked over.
Knocked over two drinks intwo weeks and got the sippy cup.
Allegedly.
There'sevidence in the recordings.
Unlessyou don't you don't see it.
We weren't on videoat that point.

(41:27):
It's only audio, audio,and you could be making it up.
It was an audio.It was a classic podcast.
Yeah.
Back before video was invented.
For this video stuff.
Think of the childrenI'm trying.
Oh, I'm going to have to putthat as an image over the top.
Of that bit.
So we've got the life ring.
What about the body?

(41:48):
Body?
Adding to the confusionsurrounding the life
ring was a body that was foundwashed up on Manly Beach
at Sydney. Manly. Yeah.
This is all over the east coast.
On June 3rd, just 25 miles awayfrom where the ring was found.
The body was badly decomposedwith only one leg left,
so it wasn't possible.
ID the body from site alone.

(42:10):
It was
determined to be between 100and 70 5 to 180cm tall.
So are you going to say yes? All
because a very old man,
20 to 30 yearsold, of a slim build
and was foundwearing a size nine shoe.
A rough guess.
We'll know you're here.
We know, I know you, butyou could have just described.

(42:32):
Are you wearing size nine fat?
Yes. Well, yeah.
Fat foot, not wide.
Fat fat.
A roughguess given by the police,
but the body in the water
for four weeks,which isn't too far off.
The estimate around life ring.
The estimates around the bodylined up closely with the build.
An age of Michael Calvin,

(42:52):
one of the young menwho had been on board
the patterna lot when it went missing.
Police would requesthis dental records,
but there is no mentionof whether it was a match for
a match or not for the body.
So we have to assumeit wasn't Michael's body.
All thingsconsidered, with the life ring.
Eight seasons of bonesand somehow
we still can'tidentify this stuff.

(43:13):
Come on.
Good. Was bones.
So good. It's in the bones.
Also, if you go back and watchthat show.
Currently doing.
The first episode,they just like.
Like everyone's just known.
Like there'sreally very little of it.
Tradition roll in with
just like all these charactersalready know each other.
Yeah.
You just need to knowwhat's going on.
And later on you find outwhy they're all interconnected.

(43:34):
Yeah, that'ssuch a great way to do a show.
All things considered,
with the LifeRing, the sightings
and the completelack of evidence of anything
actually happening to the patentanyway,
there's definitely amystery that's a float here.
Yeah, I'm making a new job.
It's just going to be the crapjoke job.

(43:56):
Was that crap?
That was pretty crap.
Bad Punjab.
Bad pop up. By new equipment.
The bad Punjab. Punsare the best puns.
Yeah, that's a good point.
Would we like to investigate
the failureof the police's investigation?
I don't. Know.
Well, too bad I'm doing itanyway. What the.
My episode.
As mentioned before,

(44:17):
the police and governmentinvestigation was pretty poor.
I think you saidthey were a dog.
Didn'thave much wind in its tail.
Good one. Well,it had tons of wind.
They just didn't bother to goanywhere.
I didn't put the sails up.
Becausethey were full of hot air.
Without dragging the anchoron the investigation.
That's good. That's a good one.

(44:37):
That's a good one.Yeah, actually.
Good job from both ofyou. Thank you. Proud of you.
The theoryproposed by the investigation
was thatthe ship had simply sunk after
being hit by another vesselon 8th of November.
The theories got a pretty leakyhull. The.
Yeah. There's like four. We're.
Good job.
The Disney cruise launches.

(44:59):
Mickey's got No time foryou was the.
Yeah, it was actually the testof the Disney
Disney cruise liner.
So it was actually just like
a commercial shipwith pallets on it
that eventually becamethe Disney. Yeah.
The other day, like at,like the sunny Coast,
looking out at where they dolike the staging for all the
all the container ships, those.Things are huge.

(45:20):
Oh yeah. They're massive. Yeah.
You see me out on the horizonthere like this long.
Yeah.
It's on the horizon.
Make out what it is like.
Look how far the horizon.
Like 15 KS or something.Nautical miles.
Yeah. Miles.
So that's like.
Nautical 24 whole thing. So.
Yeah. Oh, geez.
All right. You do that.

(45:41):
So that was despite there being
they made this assumptionthat it was hit by another boat,
another vessel,
despite therebeing no evidence of damage
on other shipsand the fact that the pattern
had a radar on board
specifically to help avoidthis kind of incident.
It was upgraded to.
There was also never any debrisfound aside from the life ring.
Yes, sure. It's sloppy science.
It's not science this week,it's science. Bitch.

(46:03):
Yeah, maths.
Maths. Tell us.
Maths homies. Yeah. Math.
Yeah, well,there is one mother scenario.
Jackson.
Yeah, there's three boystalking about maths and one cat.
What about. Debating maths? One.
One mile.
One that was up.

(46:25):
Of the radiation that.
All right.
Get on with it.
One mile is
0.869 nice nautical miles.
So. One miles point.
Is 0.869. Nice.
I mean come on time. Okay. Yeah.

(46:46):
You just go one nautical mile.
Is one point. Two.
So that'swhy I've done my conversion.
I've done the other way.
Right.
So 15 nautical miles ofthe horizon is 17.2617 miles or.
34km. No.
31km or so.
We've got three pages left.
Got to get through this.

(47:07):
27.78km.
Sorry.
That, That's the horizonwhen you're at sea level.
When you're at. Oh, no, that'seither way.
Do you mind.
As we got left. 27km.
How long we got?
We've been going for an hour.
All right. We're goingto have to do the wash.
We're going to wash this down.This episode?
No, like. 27km.
Yeah. Like, if you were tostand still and I was to run,

(47:30):
I wouldn'tbe that long until you.
Sorry. 27km.
No chance. Right.That's not that long.
A 2.5 hours, bit longer trails.
All right, all right.
Okay. Not run.Just jump in the car and just.
I have run further than that.
It's not that for sure. I'm not.
I'm not saying I'm going to beatany world record.
After the upset.
I'm not going to make fun of himhere.

(47:50):
But you should ask Sean about,
two of his most recent runningexperiences and how they ended.
Not really. Not going to talkabout my marathon.
Did you not talk about those?
Did you put yourself?
No, I didn't think so.
Sorry. Shikata is.
I have done a marathon.No big deal.
It wasawful. Worst day in my life.
Yeah.
Don't don't do a marathonon fuel gumption

(48:12):
with no laid up training.
You can. Herewe go, Barney Stinson.
You can't.
Yeah, I know seriously,I, Barney Stinson.
Oh, I got stuck on a trainand my legs didn't work.
No, I had to wear.
I had to wear compressionpants to bed.
No, I couldn'tget out and go to the toilet.
I was sleeping on a swagon top of milk crates
at the time, though,so I was in.

(48:33):
I was in the bush
and I wantedto keep my swag off the dirt,
so I found enough milk crates tomake a bed out of milk crates.
It was awesome.
Had a desk as well.
It was great.
Were you homeless. Like?
No, I was in the armyat the time I was on.
I was on a thing. A little bit.
Yeah, I was a little thingfor clothes.
So aside from the terrible ideaof the ship

(48:55):
being hit by another boatand the.
Terrible idea to havethis many pages in a script.
It's ten pages.
It's one of my longer ones.
It's 3800 words.
Split. With the ring.
The police had dismissedthe evidence
and misrepresented it, laterciting that there was evidence
it had been in the waterfor six months.
I solely on the factthat the fishermen
had rinsed somethingoff to see the name.

(49:17):
They also completelyfailed to mention the body
that had been foundat Manly Beach,
and have never been ableto publicly
answer the questionof where that body came from,
who is itor what's it related to?
It was missing a leg.
Missing a leg. So like,I don't know it.
All I had left was a leg.
No, it was a whole bodymissing a late thought.
I said all I had left was a leg.
One leg left.

(49:38):
Don't worry,it was poorly written, roughly
with missing leg.
So was. It the right. Waythat one more time?
Yeah. It was poorly written.Poorly written.
Thank you.
Got so assumingit's being nibbled on.
Yeah. Or it's just come offdecomposed.
Yeah. Yeah.
As mentioned earlier,they also failed to complete
any search for the vesseleven after determining
that it must have sunkeast of botany Bay.

(49:59):
Considering the investigation.
Never lookedat any other locations,
it seems I could have simplysearched a much smaller area
for evidence that could haveproven their claim
without the search.
There is also no way of provingthat any other sort of disaster
hit the ship, as that in debris.
There is no possibletheory that can be raised.
Did I have oneweather records from back then?

(50:19):
It is like, can you look upto see if there was a storm.
Or wasn't particularly.
Yeah,
I'm not convinced that itmade it all the way to Cooktown.
Well.
There is also never beenany investigation
into sightings of the patternafter the supposed sinking date.
As mentioned,there would have been sightings
up and down the coastlineof Queensland and in addition,
all over SoutheastAsia, specifically Thailand

(50:41):
and even as far awayas South America,
to not even investigate whetherthe ship was actually there.
It seems like a massive failure
of the police, considering
there was no physical evidenceof the sinking.
So if we can't trustthe police investigation,
maybewe can look to other theories.
Allan Nicoll certainlyhad a few, despite the fact
he never raised the alarmand drew suspicion himself.

(51:04):
It's possible that he simply got
caught up in his own businessas his lawyer was going broke,
and it was causing himsome real problems.
He did, however, spendroughly $30,000 in the months
after the disappearancesearching for the vessel.
Okay.
Chartering flightsto look around the islands
nearbyand interviewing witnesses
who claim to have seen the boat.
Well, good on him.

(51:24):
I suppose.He's got a vested interest, and.
It was a very important ship,like it was.
Well, it was a veryimportant ship until that point.
And worth 500,000. Yes. Yeah.
So that's what I knowbecause he had family on board.
No. He didn't.
Ken Jones was the skipper.
He had family. Yeah.
His first allegation was a KenJones was involved

(51:45):
in the hijacking,potentially due
to some business failureshe had in the past.
I'm the captain.
The theory was thathe was taking the boat
to pay off a debt,
though there was no evidence
of anything like thisin Ken's life.
The random directions to Mariacould back this claim up.
That could also be explainedby an unrelated hijacking.
There is also the weird messagethat Ken Son believes

(52:07):
to be a coded cry for help,which casts doubt on this.
He would also make allegationsagainst John Blissett
and Michael Calvin,claiming that they had been,
may have been involvedin stealing the ship.
It does seem strangethat these two guys
would decide to be on the panel.
However, their story checked outbecause they had taken
a bus to Perthnine months earlier
and were indeed goingfor their navigational tickets.

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They had simply met Allanby chance
and worked out an opportunityto gain experience.
Therewas also a message in a bottle
found on October 26th, 1988,in Ukiah.
Actually, it's 2008.
And. It was later.
Oh. So one gets marked, hope
that someone gets my messagein a bottle.

(52:54):
Doo doo. Doom.
Doom doom doom doom doom doomdoom doom messaging.
That's a banger of a song.Good song.
So this bottle was found.
It was in,like 2005 or something.
I've got the date rightthen. Seven.
Thank you.
Dated October 26th, 1988.
And it said hi there out therein the lonely Southern Ocean
and thought it would give awaya free holiday

(53:16):
in the Whitsunday Islandsin North Queensland, Australia.
Our ship is travelingfrom Fremantle,
Western Australia, to Queenslandto work as a charter vessel.
So yes, soon Jono.
Yeah, right.
That'sexactly what they were doing.
I wonder if they had plannedon stealing a ship.
Why do that?
Yeah, it wouldn'texactly be a reliable alibi
and it may never be found.

(53:36):
It feels like the work of guysout for an adventure.
Not those that might be upto nefarious business.
Nicol's most plausibleallegation was that the boat
had been hijackedand stolen by drug runners.
The patent was well equipped,as mentioned earlier,
and was well suitedto long trips.
Nicole alleged an unknown grouphijacked the boat

(53:56):
to use the ThailandQueensland drug smuggling route,
and that the sightings ofthe boat backed this theory up.
Yeah, okay, so in the 80s,so this would have been,
it was quite a large
drug.
There always is.
It's justwhether it's public or not.
Well it was
I think it was pretty well knownat that time in Queensland.
There was quite a lot of.

(54:18):
Corruption. Corruption? Yeah.
It was most often
seen in open waterand never in populated ports.
When same docked,it was always in remote
areas, only accessibleby four wheel drive,
indicating a desireto stay in a low profile.
The sightings after the
supposed loss? Yeah.
If it was being usedas a drug vessel,
it would also be easyto repaint it and reregister

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with some bribesin other countries.
And it's possible
that the involvement of drugswould indicate
potential corruptionby the police,
which might explainthe absolutely terrible
investigationthat was done in the case.
And as we just said,
there's plenty of corruptionin the police in 1998.
Oh, yes. Yeah.
Just looking to anythingin Queensland in the 80s.
It's crazy to watch underbelly.

(55:03):
Yeah. Actually. Yeah.
What about the police?
Nicholls allegationsactually caused a shift
in the investigation.Message in a bottle.
The police.
Just set up.
Geoscience stings.
Probably involved in this.
To say that he's not involvedwould just be ludicrous.
There's literally no evidence

(55:23):
that says that stingisn't involved in the Pat.
No, he. Must be involved.
Yeah, prove me wrong.Prove me wrong.
That sting didn'tsteal the pattern killer
calling you out, sting.
And then he wrote a songabout it.
Yeah.
Message. Oh.
What if this is it?
We've got him.
We've cracked the code.Only going to take dance.
Sting number one,enemy of the podcast.

(55:47):
You're looking out to seewhat messages bottle coming out
with the story.
Guys nine years. Before.
So you know what?
That you know what it doesfor boating.
It shows. That he was.
Premeditated and.
Premeditated.
Stealing the story 1979.
When straight were that song.
He was planningthe theft of a vessel.
It was planning

(56:07):
the theft of a famous southernArctic expeditionary ship.
I'm willing to say thatas a podcast, we are accusing.
Sting of stealing the patent.
Cheeky title saysno thank you to lots of things,
but it says absolutelyto the idea that sting,
knowledge and premeditationstole the pattern out.
You know, despite an illegaldrug smuggling and.

(56:29):
Smuggling from Thailand,Steve Riley.
We will interview youif you'd like to prove
that you didn'tsteal the patent. Della.
But if you want,if you say no to that.
Just no, it's gonna.Look back to you.
It's not like.
Oh, this is it.
Sting. I'm sorry,but you have to.
It is in your court.
You've got to answerfor your crime sting.

(56:51):
Keep your mouthclosed to be thoughtful
or open it in approval.Shadow of a doubt. Sting.
You are guiltyby all commissions.
Guilty? Yeah.
You know, there'sprobably nothing.
There's nothingthat could make me think
that sting didn'tsteal the pattern killer.
This is a hard stance. I'm.
Taking,and this is going to heavily
affect our sponsorshipdeals. In the future.
Unless be aware of this.

(57:12):
You know what?
If our sponsor,
if peopledon't want to sponsor us
because we made these
allegations against sting,what are they hiding?
What are they hiding?We are never going to
be includedin the invited manscaped.
Contributeto the theft of the Nilla.
Look, it's well known.
That stingis probably on the board.
He uses quite.
Sting uses Web Sharkto protect his online security.

(57:35):
How is sting involvedwith NordVPN?
No VPN.
That's what I want. To know.They said no to MBA.
I did. It.
Anyway.
So now that we've solvedthe Paterno lot,
let's just talk aboutthe rest of the theory.
Well, I mean, I suppose sting issleeping on his bare mattress.
The bold, the Paterno as wespeak. Well, it's. True.
Where is his sting?
Using a sleeping. Mattress?

(57:55):
Yes, he is definitely at a koalacouch.
So, Nicole Nichols allegationsthat definitely weren't
against sting,that's just us accent
actually caused a shiftin the investigation
with the Federal Safetyand Surveillance Center
in Canberragiving the investigation
to theAustralian Federal Police.
This caused months long delays,
with the caseeventually being handed

(58:15):
to Detective SuperintendentEd Tyree in February of 1989.
The coroner assigned to the caseeventually was Derek Hand,
who would eventually findthat there was no evidence
of foul play.
The thing with Derekand is the sting.
The sting on Derek hand
is he had a history of badfindings

(58:38):
in 2019.
Just five years ago, one of hisold findings was reopened.
The case of a 17 year old boycalled Robbie Joe Colter.
On January 1st of 1989,
Robbie Joe left a New Year'sEve party to walk home.
He was last seen walkingalongside the road
shortly later,but went missing after that.

(58:59):
Two days later,he was found in a nearby river,
weighed down by 21 kilo bricks,
with his hands tied behind hisback and fastened with bolts.
There was
suspicion that this was drugrelated execution.
You can sayit was suspicion of foul play.
Just wait.
Okay?

(59:19):
There was suspicion that thiswas a drug related execution,
as his family stated,he had been witness
to a drug dropsome two months earlier.
Derek Hand
had ruled that it was suicideand there was no foul play.
As it turned out, nobody agreed
with this decision,not least of which the family.
And went and it didn'tget opened until five years ago.

(59:42):
Yeah.
So it started.
As 1989 January 1st.
It waited until 2019to be reopened.
So the family had claimed.
So what's that.
20 years. Nine 30s.
Yeah. 30s.
Yeah.
40s 1930s 30 years.

(01:00:04):
Minutes ago. Man he.
So he tied
concrete blocks to his feetand then bolted his hands
behind his back.
And claimedhe was probably drunk.
And it wasa practical joke gone wrong.
Okay.
I'm no detective.
I know, but that's a baby.
And you. Know what?
This isn't like 1800sdetectives.
Only 1900.

(01:00:24):
This is a guy in 1989saying this
cultist Culter
wasn't said to be drunkthat night.
He left alone.
And there was evidencethat he had made it back
to his apartmentbefore going missing.
With this case in mind, it'sno surprise
the others in the AFP
didn't agree with hand
entirely in their decisionsaround the patent villa, either.

(01:00:46):
Other AFP agentspublicly stated their belief
that something criminalhad happened, citing
the evidence of the sightingsand the life ring.
Tahiri had this to say aboutthe sightings of the vessel,
inquiriesinto various allegations
insinuating that the panel,or is a float and involved
in criminal activitiesare unable to be substantiated,
and hehad this to say about Nicole.

(01:01:08):
The allegations made by Mr.
Nicholwere without apparent substance.
It was considered thathe had reported the suspicious
of the suspicionsof criminal conduct.
In order to initiatefurther activity by authorities
to extend a searchfor the vessel.
After frustrationwith the perceived inactivity
on the partof the various agencies
to investigateits disappearance.
So essentially, he'smaking allegations to make

(01:01:29):
us do something which, a year.
Yeah,
because you're not doinganything.
Yeah.
So despite their lack of actionand despite
their comically bad findings,Tyree took a shot at Nicole
for maybe suggesting the cops,which.
Hand got in on the actionas well.

(01:01:49):
Absolutely insulting everyone.
The degree
the disagreedwith these findings
after they were releasedby giving Tyree a commendation.
He had this to say
the investigation
by SuperintendentTyree required sustained
determination and dedicationover a period of three years,
the superintendent displayedremarkable police,
technical and human skillsso necessary to coordinate

(01:02:12):
a nationaland international investigation.
I honestly believe thatthe end product was a result
of the superintendentsresourcefulness.
So after finding absolutely.
Nothing for three,it took him three years.
So he got paid for three yearsto do nothing.
And dismissing serious evidencethat something was happening,
the two men gave each othera public pat on the back

(01:02:33):
and went about their lifeafterwards,
leaving the casemysteriously unsolved
and everybody suspiciousthat either,
either the two were incompetentor on the take they.
Were involved.
Stings paying them.
Well, sting. Sting.
I mean, he had plenty of moneyfrom that song.
Jason.
Jason, who's got the resources?

(01:02:55):
Tell us why.
Wrong sting.
Whateveryour view on the police,
this case is not solvedby any stretch.
It's one of Australia'sgreatest mysteries.
And with the years passing byand no new evidence
and sting coveringwhat there is. Up.
It's likelythat this one will stay
unsolved indefinitely.

(01:03:16):
That's it.
So has it been any
underwatersearching in this area?
No. Well, none that we know.
Is there ever would,
Not that I know of.
Yeah.
I mean,if we go out and find it.
Yeah.
So it take it out,finds the partner.
And then doorstop sting.

(01:03:40):
Yeah.
I it's it's another oneof those ones where you like.
Why are you not.
Doing anything like, why are younot looking for this thing.
Yeah.
And I'dsay they would undertake.
So if it was a illegal drugsmuggling operation,
I was it seems to be clearthat they were

(01:04:01):
being paid off to not.
Something is going on.
James Cameron's
got to make somethingout of this for James Cameron.
Yeah.
Like it's pretty cleareven if something
nefarious didn't happenthat something's happening.
Right.
There has to be.
It's not just that itdisappeared.
Something is going on.

(01:04:22):
Yeah.
Especially if they claim,if it is true
that when they claim that
that ring has to be releasedit doesn't just come off part.
So yeah.
But even then like
I believe marine biologists,I know what they're doing. So
why would they.
Man Cooktown toManly and then a body as well
I don't know.
Yeah there's a long way.

(01:04:43):
There's a lot of headlandsin between.
Then there's a lotgoing on there that is just
unexplained evil.
Yeah. Right.
But because they neverinvestigated it properly
you can't explain it.
So it'sanother one of those ones
that you just likecan you just do something.
Just look do anything.
Investigate.
But yeah they just didn't.

(01:05:05):
And that is unfortunatelythe story of the now.
He's actually been saying itwrong the whole episode.
It is the patella.
It's not.
Let me be clear about that.
So did the did
the ship have a distinctive
it was yellow.

(01:05:26):
Bright yellow, bright.
Yellow like silhouette. Yeah.
It can be repainted.
It's a large sailboat.It's twin. Twin mast.
That's not really distinctivein its silhouette.
Just the the color.
And I mean, like you, I'msure that people would reckon,
like, I don't know, boats, like,I can pick out cars.
I'm sure people could pick outboats. Yeah. Okay.

(01:05:46):
Yeah.
I, Do you reckon there'sa chance it's still going?
Maybe.
So. It mighthave been involved in this
drug smuggling.
It's been repainted.
Re registeredunder a different name.
Yeah.
It's now called the kneecapor something. And,
I mean, someone out there ownsit not really
knowing its history or

(01:06:10):
their. Yeah.
I mean it was a. Picture of it.
You know, I mean like that.
Do you think there'sa possibility
that someone owned itnot realizing what I have all
because it's been sold to them?
Maybe some something else maybe.
Or it's in Sting's boat,I think.
Yeah, in his boat.
In his drydock. Yeah. Yes.
In his secret nuclear submarine.
Yes. It's named rocks. And.

(01:06:33):
Yeah, that could be true.
Or it's wrong. Wrong. Purvis.
Wrong thing.Come on. The podcast.
Sorry. Or any time.
If you are stingor you are any of his close
associates, hit usup on actually, he tells pod.
Any member of the police.
Any of the police members. Yes.
If you're not a memberof the police or in,
Not not the to investigatebecause I.

(01:06:55):
Know they are.
I'd love to hear from them.Yeah. I'd actually. Yeah.
Come on the podcast, tell us whyyou think you're right.
And fair enough.
Hit us up at cheeky.
Tell uspod on Facebook and Instagram.
We do have an email addressas well.
You can search for thatone yourselves.
But we post supplemental,

(01:07:17):
little images and stuffevery week, and we're,
hoping to be a little bitmore active soon,
with maybe some crowdinteraction.
But, yeah.
If you are playing Call of Dutyand you see someone with a clan
tag set pod, it's one of us
or our friend. Cheesy.
Oh, that'swhat I was going to do
in thein the middle of this episode.

(01:07:38):
I'll keep that for another day.
Is called crazyto see if it shuts off.
Yeah, yeah. Just a spot checkon. Easy to see.
Just a shout on.
Yeah. It's important.
It's not. But
anyway,we've been going long enough.
Any final thoughts?
All right.
Okay. Drugs.
It's probably drugs or drugs.

(01:07:58):
Yeah.
That's feels like the most
like all the informationkind of heads to that point.
Or it just sunk like shipssink all the time,
but it wasn't hitby another vessel.
So if you say it was drugs
and because it was one body,do you think there was
other bodies out there?
There are other bodiesout there.
You reckon the crewdidn't survive?
No. I think the other thing is.

(01:08:19):
Why didn't Nicole do anything?
Like I knowthat he searched for it later.
But why didn'the ever reported missing?
He was in contact with thema couple days before
he was supposedto get on the thing.
Why didn't he do anything?
And they don'treally go into that
in any of the investigations.
He wasn'ta member of the police, was he?
He was.
They go to the drummer or.

(01:08:41):
Anyway, that's the otherpart of it for me is like,
what's this guygot to do with it? Yeah.
All right, good story.
There's a good story.
Okay. Both stories,tell you what.
I'm working. Oh, boy. One, two.
Actually, I actually did.
Were you working on it by one?
I actually didn't know thatstory, so it was a good one.
I do have some in the bankthat I could do.
Yeah.

(01:09:02):
Submarines can't.
I have a submarine story?
I could. Do submarines. Can't.
If it floats, it's a boat.
But anyway, we will see youin another fortnight.
All boats float.
Not all that floats is a boat.
Well, not all boats float,all right?
Submarines don't float.
Yes they do. Is it floatingif you're under the water?
Floating. Okay.
They'renot dragging us on the boat.

(01:09:24):
Yeah. They're not.
They're not scooting. Along.Yeah.
They're not actually.
Yeah.
She's got a little marinelike actually.
Have you had the storyof the foot? No, no.
After the end of the episode,we'll see you in a fortnight.
Not good. Not check it out.
Take care.
What?
I'm allowed to change my thing.