May 12, 2025 • 36 mins
The unexpected announcement of a new Disney park in Abu Dhabi has completely reshuffled the conversation around Disney's expansion strategy. What started as a discussion about whether Walt Disney World needs a fifth gate to compete with Universal's Epic Universe quickly transformed into an analysis of Disney's global theme park portfolio and future plans.
When weighing the potential benefits of a fifth Disney World park, several compelling points emerge. A brand-new park would provide the perfect canvas for fresh concepts and untapped intellectual properties that don't quite fit within the existing framework. It could showcase international Disney attractions that most American visitors never experience, while simultaneously helping to distribute the notoriously dense Magic Kingdom crowds. With Disney's vast land holdings in Florida, space certainly isn't an issue – they've already secured approval for a fifth major park in their long-term development plan.
However, the drawbacks are significant. Current estimates suggest building a Disney park of Tokyo DisneySea's caliber would cost upwards of $17 billion – a staggering sum even for Disney. Meanwhile, all four existing Disney World parks desperately need updating, from the chronically outdated Tomorrowland to the half-day experience that Animal Kingdom often becomes for ride-focused visitors. Adding another park would also extend the typical Disney vacation to potentially 9-10 days, making the trip financially impossible for many families already stretching their budgets.
The Abu Dhabi announcement represents an exciting compromise. This new international venture allows Disney to flex their creative muscles with cutting-edge technology and immersive environments without diverting resources from much-needed improvements at Walt Disney World. There's speculation this Middle Eastern park could feature the most impressive Tomorrowland ever designed, potentially rivaling Tokyo DisneySea as Disney's crown jewel.
For Disney fans, the future looks bright whether they're planning to visit Florida or dreaming of international adventures. Rather than stretching themselves thin with a fifth Florida gate, Disney appears focused on maximizing the potential of their existing parks while simultaneously creating something truly revolutionary halfway around the world. What Disney innovation are you most excited to experience?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello and welcome to Cheers to Ears, where today
we're enjoying a Medina mixerthat you can find at Spice Road
Table.
See, I still messed that up.
I had it all written down.
How do I do this?
At Spice Road Table, in theMorocco Pavilion at Epcot's
World Showcase, and the Medinamixer has Star African Rum,
vanderhum, tangerine Liqueur andCranberry Juice and it's sold
(00:23):
for $16.50.
But we didn't really make thateven close.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
No, we so attempted.
So Star African Rum is aFlorida distillery and it's
great rum and it's in a lot ofdrinks, especially it's in a lot
of the drinks at Animal Kingdom.
But you can't find it anywherein Washington, oregon, at a
liquor store I think the closestis California.
(00:49):
So we went with a CaptainMorgan's White Rum, which I
think I needed for another drinkanyway.
So we just went with that oneand I couldn't find tangerine
liqueur.
And this was a day of through achange into the plan.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Right, disney threw us a curveball today, on the day
we were recording this.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Yes, so I went looking for tangerine liqueur.
Couldn't find it because ourbig liquor store burned down or
had some sort of issue, so I hadto go to the smaller one and
it's just whatever you can get.
So we just put Cointreau, so itwas a sweet orange liqueur that
was a prohibition sentence.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
you just said what Our liquor store burned down.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Welcome to prohibition.
Cheers to Airstyle.
So it has a shot and a half ofthe white rum, because I
accidentally poured two shotswhen I was doing the second one.
So I thought, okay, this isjust going to be a little strong
.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Right, so you just made it better.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Yeah.
So a shot of Cointreau, a shotand a half of white rum and then
a couple of shots worth of, soabout three ounces of
cranberries Right.
So alcohol forward.
Very tasty.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Very tasty.
I love the orange taste.
I mean I imagine the tangerinetaste would be probably better,
Probably.
I know maybe I really like thisdrink, though, as we made it,
yeah, with the extra half shotand the orange liqueur.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
And the orange probably would have come through
even better without maybe thatextra half shot.
I don't know.
Nah, We'll take it Either way.
Not a bad drink at all.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
No.
So we had this drink because itserved at the Morocco Pavilion.
Yes, and Disney threw a hugecurveball from our topic today.
We already had this topicplanned.
We did.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
We were talking about whether or not Disney, so with
the recent, in fact, it openedtoday, didn't it?
Speaker 1 (02:41):
May 22nd, I think.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Oh, I thought it was May 7th.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Okay, may 27th the one part we're never going to
probably discuss on our show.
Yes, that every Disney podcastlikes to discuss now.
Yes, and they go there andwe'll still go there, yeah.
But I don't think it's going tobe a topic of our show, because
we're not a universal show.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
No, we're not a universal show and we never will
be.
But since that came out,there's been a lot of rumors
about disney adding a fifth gate.
And does disney need a fifthgate?
So we were like, well, let's,let's talk about that, right?
Speaker 1 (03:11):
the quick answer is no, but we'll talk about it but
for some the quick answer is yes, because they need a new
sparkly park they do, they dobut they threw us a sparkly park
curveball today they did so.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
It's mural is the company they're partnering with.
But there is a newinternational disney theme park
that's going to be built in abudhabi, united arab emirates, and
I have really high hopes forthat one.
Do you?
I think so.
Here's, of course, it's goingto have a aladdin land.
It has to okay, I don't thinkthat they couldn to have an
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Aladdin land.
It has to.
Okay.
I don't think that theycouldn't have an Aladdin-themed
land.
Okay, but I think it could havethe best Tomorrowland of any
park in any country and I think,overall, it's going to rival
Tokyo DisneySea as the best parkin the world because of the
money that I believe thatthey'll dump into it.
(04:05):
Right, yeah, I think they'lldrop billions into this.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
We'll see.
We'll see when more info comesout.
We got such little info today.
It's just yeah that we boththought it was a total joke.
I looked, I was watching theirmouths as they moved, yeah.
To see if it was like AIgenerated and I like, I like was
looking up.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
I got like four different confirmations before I
thought it was real.
Yeah, I, I looked up a couple,but I looked up.
The first one I saw was likewhat, what's he doing?
Not that this particular sourceis untrustworthy, but it was
out of the ordinary for him totalk about news.
And then immediately I saw likedisney food blog and all ears
(04:47):
they.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
They both in disney dose and I saw the disney
announcement first thing thismorning.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Oh did you, yeah, where they were talking about it
that's why I was thinking isthis computer generated yeah
where they're making these guystalk because they could.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
They do that.
It looks so real.
Oh, they do.
The person's really saying thewords.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
So they actually did that with Shadur Sanders, the
quarterback, and Dave.
He sent me this link and he wasrefusing to play for the Browns
in this and I was like Dave,that's AI, that's not real.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
He probably will never play for the Browns oh, he
probably won't.
You have to be really good todo that, yeah, to be really good
to do that, yeah, and I'm I'mon the side.
This is not an nfl podcast, no,but I'm so on the side of he's
not as great as people say.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Okay, but here we go, yeah I'm on.
I watch way too much collegefootball yeah, so I think we'll
get to that, but let's firststart off.
Okay, let's talk.
Does disney need a fifth parkto compete with universal?
Speaker 1 (05:43):
right and we didn't talk about how we we organize
this.
I did pros and cons, okay, I'veeven do.
Even I went like totally likewhat's the good idea, what, why
and why not?
And then I then I gave mythoughts afterwards okay, I
totally think, okay, what how?
Speaker 2 (05:57):
did you do it?
My initial I say no and thenI'm just kind of open to
discussion over and I have myreasons why I think no, they
don't need to do a fifth parkRight Now.
They could, but I don't thinkthat they need to.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Right, so I was no last night when I first started
thinking about it.
And then I really contemplatedover it, and then I came up with
my final decision today, whichI'll get to at the end.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
And would it be great if they opened another park.
Sure you know that just extendsat least another day the
vacation to disney world.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Yeah, let's talk about the pros first.
Okay, yeah, so my pros werethey would get there'd be new
concepts and fresh experiences.
Yes, that they whole new ideas.
Right, they can all.
They can just start fromscratch with something and build
it up.
Right, it would help spread outthe crowds, it would Between
the parks, right.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Right, we're only talking pros right now not the
negatives of the pros, right,yes, yes, yes, these are the
pros right, I have.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
It's an exciting response to that other park just
north that they're opening.
Yes, that I'm not going tomention For them building their
third gate.
Right, I'm not going to mentionfor them building their third
gate, right, yeah, third gate atthat at the park up North, yeah
.
And then my only other one Ihad was, um, they had the land,
they have lots of land.
They have plenty of land andit's it's already approved to
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build a fifth park.
It is approved, it's in there.
It's in their plan to have fiveparks total and like five total
minor parks, they have the twowater parks.
Yes, they can open three moreminor parks in a plan.
I think Disney just had that inthe future plan just to have it
there.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
One fifth gate and three more minor parks.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Right is what they have in their overall 10-year
plan.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
So they have 10 years to start building a fifth park
if they want A fifth gate, okay,if they wanted to, I think they
just threw that in just in case.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
So they park a fifth gate, okay, if they wanted to.
I think they just threw that injust in case they wouldn't have
to revisit.
Yeah, if they want to do and gothrough all the stuff that was.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Those were my only pros to opening and there'd be
more, any more good reasons whyyou know this could and again,
there's cons to this pro but prowhere they could hit on ip that
either it could be fresh IPwhere it creates brand new IP
where movies could come out ofit, or something like that.
It could be creating brand newIP, or it could tap into
(08:14):
existing IP that doesn't quitefit or would be a stretch to fit
it into other parks.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Right, or they could.
Another pro that I just thoughtof maybe would be what the
other park did and a bunch ofnon-ip stuff.
Yes, they can make a full parkof stuff that's not disney at
all.
Right, like new disney stuff.
Like when disneyland was firstmade uh-huh, a lot of stuff was
not a disney movie, a disneything at all.
Like when disneyland rightfirst made.
(08:43):
Oh yeah well because they didn'thave a have enough stuff.
Yeah, they could.
They could invent new, theycould invent new ip and then
work from there and they justwent with fantasy land, right,
and tomorrow land.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
So it's coming up with new land concepts too, but
it could be new concepts thatthey haven't touched on.
Now they could go and just makea copy of, and that's getting
more into the pros.
But it could copy reallypopular lands in other countries
that US citizens may never goto.
It's an opportunity to do that.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
I'll say it that way Right, it's an opportunity to
create lands or IP Tokyo andShanghai and Paris, yeah, and
Hong Kong, right Like the newParis.
What's the new ride they justannounced?
Speaker 2 (09:28):
not, too long ago, the Lion King raft ride, yeah
that looks awesome yeah.
Yeah, a little tough in thewinter.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Right.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Yeah, that one's going to be seriously just a
summer ride, right?
You know, they just don't havethe climate.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Outside of Paris, I've seen snowstorms not big
snowstorms, but snow on theground at Disneyland Paris.
So yeah, that's a good idea too, that wouldn't be hard.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
It's a chance for new IP Right.
It's a chance for untapped IPYep and that could potentially
be great.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Not horrible Not horrible yeah.
Any other pros?
Speaker 2 (10:07):
No, I think that's the biggest pro for me is
untapped.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Yeah, and for people like us, more Disney's better.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
More Disney's just a pro Right.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
But we're actually a minority in the Disney fandom.
Yeah, because we're likediehard.
That's our primary thought whenwe wake up in the morning.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Yeah Right, when's my next Disney trip, right?
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Or what are the lines like right now?
Yeah, like you just lookedbefore we came in here, I looked
, but I was looking all dayyesterday.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Yesterday they were kind of long, today they're not
bad Common conversation.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Yeah, we go into cons guns yes, okay so my cons are
lots of updating is alreadyneeded in the parks.
Yes, they have now the currentparks need you can go to every
park and say how much updatingis needed.
Yeah, I mean, you just goaround epcot, right, they could
do a total, not a reimagining,but making figment cooler, that
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right can be so much cooler, Iknow those are minor, but they
could do them.
Yes, but they still cost money.
It still costs money.
Right, we're still.
They still cost money right andshould we add up all the little
stuff they could do.
Yeah, it costs a bunch of money, right and doesn't, doesn't we
need, we need a.
Well, that's my final thoughts.
But yeah, there's so many,there's so many updates they
could do so another one.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
yeah, it's.
Everything is geared towards IP.
They just want to sell currentIP, so is there enough IP left
to create an actual LAN thatcouldn't fit someplace else or
that hasn't already?
So a big thought was Villainsof Villains Park.
Well, they have Villains LANnow, so is there enough IP left?
Speaker 1 (11:44):
So that's a con.
I think Villains Park was oneof my thoughts for the Disney
forward in Anaheim.
Yeah, was to add a VillainsPark.
It's the third park.
The third park that's still agreat idea, it is.
Yeah, it could be smaller.
Mm-hmm.
Right, yeah, it could be.
So that's just updating, justrefurbishing things, updating,
making everything new and nicer.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Yes, they could do a lot of that in the parks and you
know, up till now they'veignored Tomorrowland In both
parks and I have to sayTomorrowland is the worst land
in both parks.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Oh yeah, it's by far the worst thing in Disneyland.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
And this is why, like I think you know, the one in
Abu Dhabi that they're going tobuild, why I think Tomorrowland
is going to be incredible there,because I think the technology
is going to be a highlight ofwhat they want to do.
But going back to these parks,I don't know.
There is there's just a lotthat they need to fix with the
current parks before I thinkthat they should be building a
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new park, and they currentlyhave a lot on the docket.
What was the other?
Oh, so does a fifth park.
Does that push out and make atrip there untenable?
Speaker 1 (13:00):
That's my next thing, okay, so yeah, it could create.
It could create too few peoplein the parks too, for disney,
right, first of all, right, werethey?
We would like less people inthe parks, of course.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Oh, yes, right, but disney wouldn't I would like it,
but it was just me and you.
Yeah, but disney wouldn't likethat.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
No, they would hate that day because they're not
making the money right.
They wanted to be this thecertain full yes, there's a
certain amount of people theywant in the parks to still make
money right, yeah, and to stillmake it a good experience for us
.
It's not that they want so manypeople in there that we're not
having a good time.
They do want us to have a goodtime and come back and that's
the whole idea is you need tohave.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
It's a balance between.
It has to be good enough timeright, the people come back, but
full enough to where all thebills are getting paid and the
shareholders are making moneyand they can still spend all the
money they do on fireworksparades all the money they spend
they spend so much money onstuff for us.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Yes, right that we don't.
We don't think of that.
Well, we do, but most peopledon't think of that, yeah, when
they're're thinking about theirDisney experience and how much
money it costs to go there.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
There's a reason Fireworks are millions and
millions and millions of dollarsa year.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
And so are all the employees.
They have to make yourexperience as good as it is.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
There's lots of employees and it's easy to find
them.
There's so many that I don'tthink that they're necessarily
stressed with being.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
I'm sure there's examples where they get stressed
out.
Of course, those are thenegative things that people
throw out there, which I hatethe negative things people say
about disney employees overall,the service industry is hard
enough to work in any way.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Yeah, with customers, but overall, right, I say they,
they are over employed as faras they have more cast members
to help people than they couldprobably, and I think other
parks get away with.
Yes, so it could be a lot worse, right, and, and they do a
really good job.
So, but when I say untenable, Iwould say magic kingdom really
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is a two-day park.
That's, that's.
That's my next part of it.
Yeah, and so, exactly, ifthat's a two-day park and let's
say you do one day in each ofthe other parks and let's say
you want to go to the, the waterpark and you want to have an
open day, well, now it's pushingto.
You might have to take anine-day vacation, right to hit
(15:16):
everything.
You throw another park in there.
What that?
Four, five, six, seven days inthe park, so that's seven days
of non-stop go, go, go, go, go,right.
And if you throw in a couple oftravel days front and back of
that, it's even less relaxing,whereas now I think you have a
little more flexibility.
If you want to go to a waterpark and we typically don't,
(15:38):
someday I probably will, just tocheck out one of the water
parks.
But I like having that open dayNow, granted, for some guys
like, when Dave goes, open daymeans he's going to hang by the
pool the whole time, and that'scool.
For me and you, an open daymeans I'm going to go checkatoga
(16:00):
springs because I haven'tthat's the one resort I haven't
walked around yet.
Right, but I'm gonna go checkout other resorts, just to walk
around other resorts.
So I'm still go, go, go.
But for the people who need abreak, or people with young kids
, this is pushing it out towhere it might be too long of a
of a vacation to add anotherpark.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Correct.
Yeah, that's what my otherpoint was.
On that same note is it's justtoo long.
Yeah, like if you only go oncein your lifetime, you're going
to spend two weeks there.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Yeah, to see everything it would take two
weeks vacation just to go toDisney.
Two weeks is a family for$8,000, $9,000, $10,000 vacation
Right.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Two weeks is a family of four, eight nine $10,000
vacation Right, potentiallyRight, and so on the flip side
of that, like I'm going toDisney next Monday, I'm going to
Disneyland for two days, noteven full days, because I arrive
at 1030 in the morning thefirst day and then we'll be
there for two days.
I mean, disneyland does stayopen until midnight, but I don't
have a problem, I, I'm gonnasee everything I want to see in
two days, you can right, but Ibet I do it all the time.
(17:01):
You do it all the time.
Right, but you need, I mean,three days.
A normal family, a averagefamily, can see all both parks.
I think they have three daysyeah, three days is four days if
you've never been there and youhave kids, right maybe.
But three days is a good likeif you go there every few years.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Yeah, three days is perfect, yeah, three days is
plenty to have lightning laneand you manage it correctly.
And now that they don't haveany shows or anything anymore,
it's even easier to do becauseit's just a lot of rides.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Right, and like I go to Disneyland so often that I'm
not even worried if I don't seesomething.
Yes, it doesn't like I'm notgoing there just to write, I'm
going there for other reasons.
Yeah, then, writing rides.
So if I, if I rode like tworides each day, hey, you know
what?
I think I'd be fine, I shouldtry fried chicken, yes I know
that's.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
I was like that's.
If you come back and you havenot eaten their plaza in fried
chicken, I'm probably gonna saybad words to you.
I thought about that the othernight after you told me you were
going.
I'm like you better try thefried chicken this trip.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Yeah, I should.
I'm going to be all by myselftoo, so I totally should.
I also have two days by myself.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
I could do it at any time, so it's one of those, and
I thought about this with myupcoming Disney World trip.
I've been a few times and Iknow I will be going more, and
while you hate cutting out timefor a meal, for rides or shows
and wanting to do everything andstuff, part of it is, I want to
do stuff.
That's new, and that's thething.
(18:32):
Look at it this way the friedchicken is something new, right,
so carve out time for the friedchicken.
But getting back to our, doesdisney world need a fifth right?
I have one more con.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Okay.
It would just simply cost toomuch money.
For how much disney would wantto spend on a park?
I mean, we're talking north,northwards of 17 billion dollars
.
Oh, 17 billion right to make agood park, if they so, if they
were to take Tokyo DisneySearight.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
Here's what I read today.
If they took Tokyo DisneySeabuilt the same exact park in
Orlando, it would cost over $17billion.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
And with their plan, with $60 billion that they plan
on spending, that's a third ofthat, right, and that's not
taking into account cruise ships, disneyland and upgrades and
Disneyland forward.
Yeah, right, and that's nottaken into effect cruise ships
and upgrades and Disneylandforward.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Yeah, right, so they plan on spending about $17
billion total at Disney Worldover the next so many years?
It wasn't part of their plan,right?
Speaker 2 (19:28):
So they'll take all of it, yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Or over it Over that.
If you were making new concepts, new rides, right, that's just
taking exactly Tokyo DisneySeaand rebuilding it Now did you
happen to see the numbers ofwhat Epic Universe cost.
I don't recall.
I thought of that today.
I read it while they werebuilding it.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Okay, wherever, that place is One of the things, and
I watched for that other part, Iwatched a lot of theney
influencers going to the otherpark all of them are going.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Right, they're all going, I know so like I could
have went, but I could have wentlast week, but I didn't they.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
One of the things, though, is I'm looking around at
the land.
Yeah, when disney does a landlike, when you walk into black
spire outpost, you feel like youare in a land the rocks, the
trees, you feel like they'verecreated a human land.
(20:25):
When I was looking at thisother park and I love that we're
doing that they put out cutoutsof trees and they put out
cutouts of decor.
It's not.
They don't put real trees inthere and they did in some
aspects.
But it doesn't feel like you'vewalked into a land, fantasy
(20:50):
land.
You walk in with all of thebuildings and it feels like
you're walking into a land thatyou saw in Snow White or
Cinderella or in those movies.
Okay, they really got this.
Now, the only one that reallyfelt like that was the new Harry
Potter, the Ministry of Magic,all of that.
(21:11):
Now that really and, hands down, they do fantastic with feeling
like you're walking into thehuman version of the land that's
in the book or the story.
But with some of their otherlands it just felt cartoonish
and it didn't feel cheap.
It didn't feel like you werewalking into a human version of
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Mario Land.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
I think Mario Land, they did well.
Now they did it well.
It looks like you're walkinginto a video game.
I think it truly looks likethat.
I think Mario Land, they didwell.
Now they did it well.
It looks like you're walkinginto a video game.
I think it truly looks likethat.
I think it's pretty cool itdoes.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
But to me that Disney , the way Disney does lands like
when you walk into Cars Landyou feel like you're walking
into a human version of like youwould expect to see lightning
McQueen driving down the roadtalking to you, correct, in Cars
Land it feels human, it doesn'tfeel video game, it doesn't
(22:03):
feel cartoon and with the otherpark, some of their, a lot of
their lands either, it'sdisjointed and it doesn't make a
lot of sense, which I thinkthey corrected a lot of that
with, uh, the new park.
But it doesn't feel like thehuman version of that land.
It feels like and I don'tnecessarily I don't like that as
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much personally, okay, and Idon't think that's as expensive
and that it that is a to the conof it's just too expensive for
disney to do dis, to do thingscorrectly, like you walk around
Animal Kingdom, and it felt likeAsia, africa, you know, in
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Kanto well, puebla, esperanza,it's not in Kanto land, although
we're always going to call itin Kanto land.
But when you walk around PueblaEsperanza it's going to feel
like you're in south america.
They do a really good job ofthis.
Feels authentic, they do and Ithink that's expensive.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Yeah, I'm still on the.
I mean, if you're gonna playthe video game aspect, though,
shouldn't you look like you'regoing into a video game?
Speaker 2 (23:14):
instead of a human version of the video game, but
it feels like a cheap version,maybe when I look at it.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
I gotta rewatch stuff again with that on my mind and
I haven't seen the villains area, the what they call it, dark
universe or yes, whatever thatportal thing I haven't seen that
one at all.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
yet frankenstein, dracula, all of those guys, it's
like the old.
I don't think I've seen anyvideos on that.
Some fresh baked Did a verygood walkthrough, because it's
like an hour and a half long.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
I have so not watched Idiom my favorite podcasters.
That went there Because they'regoing against Because he's the
best Disneyland person ever.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
He is For Disneyland.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
He's the best, but he went to florida.
Come on, we don't need youthere.
Yeah, I'm serious, don't need,I want it.
I want my disneyland news fromhim, and people don't do disney
world very well.
I mean he.
There's no one like him atdisney world that I've ever
found.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
No that good, but see , he's, I like his.
He's got a differentperspective, and so I like his.
He's got a differentperspective, and so I like him
when he goes to Knott's BerryFarm.
I did watch that one actually,so yeah, I don't, I can't
remember if I've seen him go toUniversal Hollywood or like
Magic Mountain, but he makes meinterested.
I think he makes me moreinterested in going to these
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places more than anybody else,because he's our people, he's
more like us.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
I think so.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Yeah, I feel like I want to go to the park with him
every time I watch him yeah,yeah, although he'd have to sit
by and wait and watch you go onthe thriller rides, because
those aren't his thing, right?
Yeah, and so watching his,because he's very thorough,
because he'll take an hour and ahalf and do a couple videos to
hour and a half long videos.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
Oh yeah, His talk.
So on a we're going off on adifferent tangent, on a
different podcast person, buthis thing on haunted mansion
when it reopened it kept goingand going, he kept talking about
it.
He got more excited, moreexcited as he was talking.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Anyway, I have a summary of what I think of the
whole thing.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Anyway, I have a summary of what I think of the
whole thing.
Okay, okay, so you're going?
No new parks needed.
I don't think it's needed.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Okay, I would be happy if a new one was built.
Right, but I don't think inOrlando it's needed to compete
with Universal.
I think the upgrades thatthey're doing the only upgrade
that I'm kind of disappointedthat they're not doing is
Tomorrowland.
But the upgrades that they'redoing are going to improve the
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parks enough where I thinkthey're good for years.
Yeah, if they decide to doFifth Gate, hey, I'm happy
Because I know they're going todo it well and what it'll be is
they'll do it one way and then,after about 10 or years, they'll
start changing it right,figuring out oh, people didn't
quite want that, they wantedthis.
But, that being said, I don'tthink they needed to compete so,
(26:05):
surprise, surprise everyone, I100% agree with you.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
Like always, my thoughts are just to make the
current parks better.
Yeah, that's what they shouldconcentrate on yeah all that
other money spin and just giveus better rides.
Different, different stuff likehollywood studios meet needs,
like more oomph to it it likeneeds something else.
I don't know what that is nowwill monsters inc.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
Maybe enough, maybe we'll have to see.
It's a show, it's a greatlooking ride.
It looks great and potentiallya sushi spot.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
Don't know if that's enough, but we'll see.
We'll see.
But maybe it needs one morething after that.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
It probably To make it like hit.
The courtyard over on the otherside is kind of blah.
But now that they've gotaerials going in there or it
will be soon in time for my trip, Ho will be soon in time for my
trip, Hooray, hooray and thevillain show in time for my trip
.
I'm just going to miss the lastof the Muppets.
Very disappointed there.
(27:04):
But yeah, that might help thatarea.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
Yeah, that's what Hollywood Epcot needs, like
refurbs all over the place.
I think they could update a lotof stuff, especially in the
entrance, all the stuff in thewhen you first walk in.
They could just do, they couldjust upgrade stuff, right, then
they then they totally need,totally need another, another
pavilion, like one more countryin there.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Yeah, and maybe, as we're talking about Morocco,
update Morocco a little bit withlike like something more like a
ride or so I something, I thinkit was, it was better, but then
it the pandemic kind of killedit yeah so I don't know if they
were giving it up, though yeah,I thought I'd heard some rumor
(27:46):
that, like they were gonna phaseit out, phase it out, which
india should just step in, andthat's what you've been saying
right, yeah, yeah, so yeah, Ithink they need to do something
else with Morocco or refurbishit somehow, yeah, and then add
another country to the pavilionwhere there's just more.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
There needs to be a couple more rides in there they
need to build.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
Okay, so what Disney needs to do Disney, if you're
listening, pay attention here.
This is a great idea.
You need to find a Germanheritage folk tale, buy it and
do a movie out of it.
And then you have the space,because it was a planned ride in
the Germany pavilion, and thenyou just need to build the ride
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there yeah, because it wouldn'tinterfere with anything, because
it's all behind there and then,as soon as it's all ready, you
just knock down that wall.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
Right, yeah, and then you did like by Doctor who.
Oh, there you go, and then putthat in the English pavilion.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
You know they were going to do a ride there for
Mary Poppins.
I think that'd be okay, right.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
Well, they have all those Monty Python shirts in the
English pavilion.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Oh, they do.
There's a ride, that's right.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Monty Python, there's a ride.
Eli's new favorite ride, theMonty Python coaster, and then
Animal Kingdom.
I think, even though they'rebuilding the new land there, it
needs more.
It needs two more lands, twofull more lands in Animal
Kingdom.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Don't know what they are.
I didn't go that deep intothings, but it just needs more
right.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
It's such a cool park .
If they added two, two morelands all of a sudden, animal
kingdom would be a day, atwo-day park.
I think it'd be a full day park.
I think it'd be a two-day parkeven with pueblo esperanza.
Now it'd be two-day parkbecause it's just such a great
park to walk around.
It really is.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
It depends on how many rides they added so let's
think about that.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
They could do some sort of middle Eastern land, of
course.
What animals, you know?
You got to think of the animalsBecause they have, like India,
asia, but is there Australasian?
Speaker 1 (29:44):
They could even do the Zootopia land there.
They could they have inShanghai.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
They could that kind of thing Because they have the
Zootopia show.
Right, yeah, there's just somany.
I mean a show, right, yeah,there's just some.
I mean, oh well, there's likethe antarctic land too, right,
which is a little hard tobelieve when you're in
sweltering weather they can evendo something.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
The national geographic, oh, where it's like
they could do something right,where it's cool, and edutainment
, edutainment yes, yeah, becauseright now you know people talk
about being a half-day park.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
It's a half-day park if all you're interested in is
rights.
Yeah, because you now you knowpeople talk about being a
half-day park.
It's a half-day park if allyou're interested in is rides
yeah, because you go, there'sright, that's all.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
If all you do is go on a couple, the few rides that
are there, you just leave.
Yeah, right, we could have doneif we rode every ride once.
We could have left at like 10am.
Yeah, when chris and I wentright, but shows right, and then
, right, you want to ride ever.
It's more, more than once.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
And the drawing out at Rafiki's Planet Watch.
So heading out there on thetrain and doing all the animal
walkthroughs, it's easy to do afull day there at that park.
Even now with the Dinolandshutdown, I think we'll be fine
with doing a full day there,right, right, but some people
(30:55):
it's not the deal.
So let's talk about, let's moveinto the one in Abu Dhabi, the
new park, okay, and, like I said, I think this has the potential
to take the crown from DisneyTokyo Sea as the best park in
the world Because of the amountof money.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Right, I didn't like zoom in on the drawing and I
didn't really either, butwhatever that castle thing was
they have, I mean, I don't evenknow what that is yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
That's crazy, I think so.
No place has Tomorrowland wheretheir park icon is.
I think there's a chance, andthey should be looking at that,
to make the best Tomorrowland inthe world.
I think it would be so cool.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
Interesting.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
You know, like I said , my idea with AI, character
meet and greets, so where youcome up to the screen and you're
talking to a character and it'sresponding in time to what
you're asking, or to little kidsand stuff, and you can meet any
character you want.
You know all the screens.
You just punch in whichcharacter you want and it pulls
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up that character and then youknow a little kid can just start
talking and it responds.
So, utilizing AI, you knowelectric car vehicles for the
Autopia of some sort, or youknow, there's just so much that
they could be doing.
Yeah, a flight to Mars type ofride, but a cool one, not flight
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to Mars 1960.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
That's pretty cool.
The flight to Mars 1960, prettycool.
I like Mission Space.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
It's not horrible.
Was that to Mars Mission Space?
Yeah, orange Mission, yeah, oh,is that why Orange?
Pretty cool, I like missionspace.
The it's not horrible, was that?
Was that to mars mission?
Speaker 1 (32:36):
space yeah orange mission, yeah oh, is that why
orange okay?
Speaker 2 (32:39):
well see, I'm never writing right.
You're never right because I'mnever going to vomit on that
right so yeah, so who knows?
Speaker 1 (32:45):
I'm excited to see what the next steps are, what
they come up with, what therumors are going to be all the
talk.
It's something else to talkabout.
It's going to take thediscussion from the other park
away a little bit.
Yeah, the park up north OfDisney.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
World.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
Yeah, yeah.
Well, it's north of all theDisney parks in America.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
Yeah, no, is it further south than Anaheim?
Speaker 1 (33:08):
Yeah, it's further south than Anaheim.
Yeah, it's so weird.
It's so weird thinking abouthow, where Florida is.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
It was where florida is.
It was yeah, yeah, you know.
And then there's a whole newamerican heartland park.
I'm actually looking forward tothat one.
Yeah, I'm gonna go, because Iwas just in oklahoma for the
first time.
Okay, second time.
Technically, I drove throughoklahoma at one point in my life
and, yes, I went back tooklahoma and let me, let me just
tell you that was odd.
Oh yeah, not the people.
Oh, the people are odd too.
Possibly, possibly they are.
I have limited interaction.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
But it was just okay.
You call this a road and it's apothole-filled dirt road and
the roads are horrible and itsays, oh, take this next left,
and the next left is like amuddy bog of a road.
It's like that's not a road,right, apple Maps.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
Waze.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Right, let's get our act together.
It was scary on some of thoseroads, but I'm looking forward
to that park Go Sooners, becauseI think that was it's trying to
capture the initial what Walttried to do with Disneyland,
right?
Speaker 1 (34:11):
But it'll be the 50s instead of the 20th century.
And our other new park news thecomedian Nate Bergazzi.
You know who that is no.
10th century.
And our other New Park news thecomedian Nate Bergazzi.
You know who that is?
No, he's a very famous comedian.
Okay, big on Starlight Live.
Look him up.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
He's great.
Oh, yeah, okay.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
We don't know Nate Bergazzi.
He is amazing.
He does family-friendly comedy.
That's just funny.
Okay, he's one of Chrissy'sfavorites.
She's seen him a couple times,I think I'm not sure we had
tickets once.
I forgot to request it off work, so her and Eli went.
But he announced on aninterview the other day that he
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wants to open a theme park.
Oh, he wants to rival Disneywith his theme park and he
didn't say how.
What was his theme?
He doesn't have a theme yet.
Okay, it's going to be cool, hesaid.
But Nate Bregazzi's theme park,I bet, would be hilarious.
It'd be a constant Monsters Inclaugh floor.
You finished your drink, I did,and you have a major drinking
(35:05):
problem and a condensation allover my shirt.
Now we both finished our drinksduring this episode.
We did, which doesn't happenall the time.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
And there's a good sign that you want to try the
Medina Mixer At Spice Road Table.
Spice Road Table in the MoroccoPavilion Next time you're at
Epcot Looks like they have somedelicious food.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
We need to have another drink or something right
now, because ours are gone, sowe shall say cheers, cheers.
Hello and welcome to Cheers to Ears, where today
we're enjoying a Medina mixerthat you can find at Spice Road
Table.
See, I still messed that up.
I had it all written down.
How do I do this?
At Spice Road Table, in theMorocco Pavilion at Epcot's
World Showcase, and the Medinamixer has Star African Rum,
vanderhum, tangerine Liqueur andCranberry Juice and it's sold
(00:23):
for $16.50.
But we didn't really make thateven close.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
No, we so attempted.
So Star African Rum is aFlorida distillery and it's
great rum and it's in a lot ofdrinks, especially it's in a lot
of the drinks at Animal Kingdom.
But you can't find it anywherein Washington, oregon, at a
liquor store I think the closestis California.
(00:49):
So we went with a CaptainMorgan's White Rum, which I
think I needed for another drinkanyway.
So we just went with that oneand I couldn't find tangerine
liqueur.
And this was a day of through achange into the plan.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Right, disney threw us a curveball today, on the day
we were recording this.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Yes, so I went looking for tangerine liqueur.
Couldn't find it because ourbig liquor store burned down or
had some sort of issue, so I hadto go to the smaller one and
it's just whatever you can get.
So we just put Cointreau, so itwas a sweet orange liqueur that
was a prohibition sentence.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
you just said what Our liquor store burned down.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Welcome to prohibition.
Cheers to Airstyle.
So it has a shot and a half ofthe white rum, because I
accidentally poured two shotswhen I was doing the second one.
So I thought, okay, this isjust going to be a little strong
.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Right, so you just made it better.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Yeah.
So a shot of Cointreau, a shotand a half of white rum and then
a couple of shots worth of, soabout three ounces of
cranberries Right.
So alcohol forward.
Very tasty.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Very tasty.
I love the orange taste.
I mean I imagine the tangerinetaste would be probably better,
Probably.
I know maybe I really like thisdrink, though, as we made it,
yeah, with the extra half shotand the orange liqueur.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
And the orange probably would have come through
even better without maybe thatextra half shot.
I don't know.
Nah, We'll take it Either way.
Not a bad drink at all.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
No.
So we had this drink because itserved at the Morocco Pavilion.
Yes, and Disney threw a hugecurveball from our topic today.
We already had this topicplanned.
We did.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
We were talking about whether or not Disney, so with
the recent, in fact, it openedtoday, didn't it?
Speaker 1 (02:41):
May 22nd, I think.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Oh, I thought it was May 7th.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Okay, may 27th the one part we're never going to
probably discuss on our show.
Yes, that every Disney podcastlikes to discuss now.
Yes, and they go there andwe'll still go there, yeah.
But I don't think it's going tobe a topic of our show, because
we're not a universal show.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
No, we're not a universal show and we never will
be.
But since that came out,there's been a lot of rumors
about disney adding a fifth gate.
And does disney need a fifthgate?
So we were like, well, let's,let's talk about that, right?
Speaker 1 (03:11):
the quick answer is no, but we'll talk about it but
for some the quick answer is yes, because they need a new
sparkly park they do, they dobut they threw us a sparkly park
curveball today they did so.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
It's mural is the company they're partnering with.
But there is a newinternational disney theme park
that's going to be built in abudhabi, united arab emirates, and
I have really high hopes forthat one.
Do you?
I think so.
Here's, of course, it's goingto have a aladdin land.
It has to okay, I don't thinkthat they couldn to have an
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Aladdin land.
It has to.
Okay.
I don't think that theycouldn't have an Aladdin-themed
land.
Okay, but I think it could havethe best Tomorrowland of any
park in any country and I think,overall, it's going to rival
Tokyo DisneySea as the best parkin the world because of the
money that I believe thatthey'll dump into it.
(04:05):
Right, yeah, I think they'lldrop billions into this.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
We'll see.
We'll see when more info comesout.
We got such little info today.
It's just yeah that we boththought it was a total joke.
I looked, I was watching theirmouths as they moved, yeah.
To see if it was like AIgenerated and I like, I like was
looking up.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
I got like four different confirmations before I
thought it was real.
Yeah, I, I looked up a couple,but I looked up.
The first one I saw was likewhat, what's he doing?
Not that this particular sourceis untrustworthy, but it was
out of the ordinary for him totalk about news.
And then immediately I saw likedisney food blog and all ears
(04:47):
they.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
They both in disney dose and I saw the disney
announcement first thing thismorning.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Oh did you, yeah, where they were talking about it
that's why I was thinking isthis computer generated yeah
where they're making these guystalk because they could.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
They do that.
It looks so real.
Oh, they do.
The person's really saying thewords.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
So they actually did that with Shadur Sanders, the
quarterback, and Dave.
He sent me this link and he wasrefusing to play for the Browns
in this and I was like Dave,that's AI, that's not real.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
He probably will never play for the Browns oh, he
probably won't.
You have to be really good todo that, yeah, to be really good
to do that, yeah, and I'm I'mon the side.
This is not an nfl podcast, no,but I'm so on the side of he's
not as great as people say.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Okay, but here we go, yeah I'm on.
I watch way too much collegefootball yeah, so I think we'll
get to that, but let's firststart off.
Okay, let's talk.
Does disney need a fifth parkto compete with universal?
Speaker 1 (05:43):
right and we didn't talk about how we we organize
this.
I did pros and cons, okay, I'veeven do.
Even I went like totally likewhat's the good idea, what, why
and why not?
And then I then I gave mythoughts afterwards okay, I
totally think, okay, what how?
Speaker 2 (05:57):
did you do it?
My initial I say no and thenI'm just kind of open to
discussion over and I have myreasons why I think no, they
don't need to do a fifth parkRight Now.
They could, but I don't thinkthat they need to.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Right, so I was no last night when I first started
thinking about it.
And then I really contemplatedover it, and then I came up with
my final decision today, whichI'll get to at the end.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
And would it be great if they opened another park.
Sure you know that just extendsat least another day the
vacation to disney world.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Yeah, let's talk about the pros first.
Okay, yeah, so my pros werethey would get there'd be new
concepts and fresh experiences.
Yes, that they whole new ideas.
Right, they can all.
They can just start fromscratch with something and build
it up.
Right, it would help spread outthe crowds, it would Between
the parks, right.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Right, we're only talking pros right now not the
negatives of the pros, right,yes, yes, yes, these are the
pros right, I have.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
It's an exciting response to that other park just
north that they're opening.
Yes, that I'm not going tomention For them building their
third gate.
Right, I'm not going to mentionfor them building their third
gate, right, yeah, third gate atthat at the park up North, yeah
.
And then my only other one Ihad was, um, they had the land,
they have lots of land.
They have plenty of land andit's it's already approved to
(07:15):
build a fifth park.
It is approved, it's in there.
It's in their plan to have fiveparks total and like five total
minor parks, they have the twowater parks.
Yes, they can open three moreminor parks in a plan.
I think Disney just had that inthe future plan just to have it
there.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
One fifth gate and three more minor parks.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Right is what they have in their overall 10-year
plan.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
So they have 10 years to start building a fifth park
if they want A fifth gate, okay,if they wanted to, I think they
just threw that in just in case.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
So they park a fifth gate, okay, if they wanted to.
I think they just threw that injust in case they wouldn't have
to revisit.
Yeah, if they want to do and gothrough all the stuff that was.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Those were my only pros to opening and there'd be
more, any more good reasons whyyou know this could and again,
there's cons to this pro but prowhere they could hit on ip that
either it could be fresh IPwhere it creates brand new IP
where movies could come out ofit, or something like that.
It could be creating brand newIP, or it could tap into
(08:14):
existing IP that doesn't quitefit or would be a stretch to fit
it into other parks.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Right, or they could.
Another pro that I just thoughtof maybe would be what the
other park did and a bunch ofnon-ip stuff.
Yes, they can make a full parkof stuff that's not disney at
all.
Right, like new disney stuff.
Like when disneyland was firstmade uh-huh, a lot of stuff was
not a disney movie, a disneything at all.
Like when disneyland rightfirst made.
(08:43):
Oh yeah well because they didn'thave a have enough stuff.
Yeah, they could.
They could invent new, theycould invent new ip and then
work from there and they justwent with fantasy land, right,
and tomorrow land.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
So it's coming up with new land concepts too, but
it could be new concepts thatthey haven't touched on.
Now they could go and just makea copy of, and that's getting
more into the pros.
But it could copy reallypopular lands in other countries
that US citizens may never goto.
It's an opportunity to do that.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
I'll say it that way Right, it's an opportunity to
create lands or IP Tokyo andShanghai and Paris, yeah, and
Hong Kong, right Like the newParis.
What's the new ride they justannounced?
Speaker 2 (09:28):
not, too long ago, the Lion King raft ride, yeah
that looks awesome yeah.
Yeah, a little tough in thewinter.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Right.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Yeah, that one's going to be seriously just a
summer ride, right?
You know, they just don't havethe climate.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Outside of Paris, I've seen snowstorms not big
snowstorms, but snow on theground at Disneyland Paris.
So yeah, that's a good idea too, that wouldn't be hard.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
It's a chance for new IP Right.
It's a chance for untapped IPYep and that could potentially
be great.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Not horrible Not horrible yeah.
Any other pros?
Speaker 2 (10:07):
No, I think that's the biggest pro for me is
untapped.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Yeah, and for people like us, more Disney's better.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
More Disney's just a pro Right.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
But we're actually a minority in the Disney fandom.
Yeah, because we're likediehard.
That's our primary thought whenwe wake up in the morning.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Yeah Right, when's my next Disney trip, right?
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Or what are the lines like right now?
Yeah, like you just lookedbefore we came in here, I looked
, but I was looking all dayyesterday.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Yesterday they were kind of long, today they're not
bad Common conversation.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Yeah, we go into cons guns yes, okay so my cons are
lots of updating is alreadyneeded in the parks.
Yes, they have now the currentparks need you can go to every
park and say how much updatingis needed.
Yeah, I mean, you just goaround epcot, right, they could
do a total, not a reimagining,but making figment cooler, that
(11:01):
right can be so much cooler, Iknow those are minor, but they
could do them.
Yes, but they still cost money.
It still costs money.
Right, we're still.
They still cost money right andshould we add up all the little
stuff they could do.
Yeah, it costs a bunch of money, right and doesn't, doesn't we
need, we need a.
Well, that's my final thoughts.
But yeah, there's so many,there's so many updates they
could do so another one.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
yeah, it's.
Everything is geared towards IP.
They just want to sell currentIP, so is there enough IP left
to create an actual LAN thatcouldn't fit someplace else or
that hasn't already?
So a big thought was Villainsof Villains Park.
Well, they have Villains LANnow, so is there enough IP left?
Speaker 1 (11:44):
So that's a con.
I think Villains Park was oneof my thoughts for the Disney
forward in Anaheim.
Yeah, was to add a VillainsPark.
It's the third park.
The third park that's still agreat idea, it is.
Yeah, it could be smaller.
Mm-hmm.
Right, yeah, it could be.
So that's just updating, justrefurbishing things, updating,
making everything new and nicer.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Yes, they could do a lot of that in the parks and you
know, up till now they'veignored Tomorrowland In both
parks and I have to sayTomorrowland is the worst land
in both parks.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Oh yeah, it's by far the worst thing in Disneyland.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
And this is why, like I think you know, the one in
Abu Dhabi that they're going tobuild, why I think Tomorrowland
is going to be incredible there,because I think the technology
is going to be a highlight ofwhat they want to do.
But going back to these parks,I don't know.
There is there's just a lotthat they need to fix with the
current parks before I thinkthat they should be building a
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new park, and they currentlyhave a lot on the docket.
What was the other?
Oh, so does a fifth park.
Does that push out and make atrip there untenable?
Speaker 1 (13:00):
That's my next thing, okay, so yeah, it could create.
It could create too few peoplein the parks too, for disney,
right, first of all, right, werethey?
We would like less people inthe parks, of course.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Oh, yes, right, but disney wouldn't I would like it,
but it was just me and you.
Yeah, but disney wouldn't likethat.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
No, they would hate that day because they're not
making the money right.
They wanted to be this thecertain full yes, there's a
certain amount of people theywant in the parks to still make
money right, yeah, and to stillmake it a good experience for us
.
It's not that they want so manypeople in there that we're not
having a good time.
They do want us to have a goodtime and come back and that's
the whole idea is you need tohave.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
It's a balance between.
It has to be good enough timeright, the people come back, but
full enough to where all thebills are getting paid and the
shareholders are making moneyand they can still spend all the
money they do on fireworksparades all the money they spend
they spend so much money onstuff for us.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Yes, right that we don't.
We don't think of that.
Well, we do, but most peopledon't think of that, yeah, when
they're're thinking about theirDisney experience and how much
money it costs to go there.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
There's a reason Fireworks are millions and
millions and millions of dollarsa year.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
And so are all the employees.
They have to make yourexperience as good as it is.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
There's lots of employees and it's easy to find
them.
There's so many that I don'tthink that they're necessarily
stressed with being.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
I'm sure there's examples where they get stressed
out.
Of course, those are thenegative things that people
throw out there, which I hatethe negative things people say
about disney employees overall,the service industry is hard
enough to work in any way.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Yeah, with customers, but overall, right, I say they,
they are over employed as faras they have more cast members
to help people than they couldprobably, and I think other
parks get away with.
Yes, so it could be a lot worse, right, and, and they do a
really good job.
So, but when I say untenable, Iwould say magic kingdom really
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is a two-day park.
That's, that's.
That's my next part of it.
Yeah, and so, exactly, ifthat's a two-day park and let's
say you do one day in each ofthe other parks and let's say
you want to go to the, the waterpark and you want to have an
open day, well, now it's pushingto.
You might have to take anine-day vacation, right to hit
(15:16):
everything.
You throw another park in there.
What that?
Four, five, six, seven days inthe park, so that's seven days
of non-stop go, go, go, go, go,right.
And if you throw in a couple oftravel days front and back of
that, it's even less relaxing,whereas now I think you have a
little more flexibility.
If you want to go to a waterpark and we typically don't,
(15:38):
someday I probably will, just tocheck out one of the water
parks.
But I like having that open dayNow, granted, for some guys
like, when Dave goes, open daymeans he's going to hang by the
pool the whole time, and that'scool.
For me and you, an open daymeans I'm going to go checkatoga
(16:00):
springs because I haven'tthat's the one resort I haven't
walked around yet.
Right, but I'm gonna go checkout other resorts, just to walk
around other resorts.
So I'm still go, go, go.
But for the people who need abreak, or people with young kids
, this is pushing it out towhere it might be too long of a
of a vacation to add anotherpark.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Correct.
Yeah, that's what my otherpoint was.
On that same note is it's justtoo long.
Yeah, like if you only go oncein your lifetime, you're going
to spend two weeks there.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Yeah, to see everything it would take two
weeks vacation just to go toDisney.
Two weeks is a family for$8,000, $9,000, $10,000 vacation
Right.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Two weeks is a family of four, eight nine $10,000
vacation Right, potentiallyRight, and so on the flip side
of that, like I'm going toDisney next Monday, I'm going to
Disneyland for two days, noteven full days, because I arrive
at 1030 in the morning thefirst day and then we'll be
there for two days.
I mean, disneyland does stayopen until midnight, but I don't
have a problem, I, I'm gonnasee everything I want to see in
two days, you can right, but Ibet I do it all the time.
(17:01):
You do it all the time.
Right, but you need, I mean,three days.
A normal family, a averagefamily, can see all both parks.
I think they have three daysyeah, three days is four days if
you've never been there and youhave kids, right maybe.
But three days is a good likeif you go there every few years.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Yeah, three days is perfect, yeah, three days is
plenty to have lightning laneand you manage it correctly.
And now that they don't haveany shows or anything anymore,
it's even easier to do becauseit's just a lot of rides.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Right, and like I go to Disneyland so often that I'm
not even worried if I don't seesomething.
Yes, it doesn't like I'm notgoing there just to write, I'm
going there for other reasons.
Yeah, then, writing rides.
So if I, if I rode like tworides each day, hey, you know
what?
I think I'd be fine, I shouldtry fried chicken, yes I know
that's.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
I was like that's.
If you come back and you havenot eaten their plaza in fried
chicken, I'm probably gonna saybad words to you.
I thought about that the othernight after you told me you were
going.
I'm like you better try thefried chicken this trip.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Yeah, I should.
I'm going to be all by myselftoo, so I totally should.
I also have two days by myself.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
I could do it at any time, so it's one of those, and
I thought about this with myupcoming Disney World trip.
I've been a few times and Iknow I will be going more, and
while you hate cutting out timefor a meal, for rides or shows
and wanting to do everything andstuff, part of it is, I want to
do stuff.
That's new, and that's thething.
(18:32):
Look at it this way the friedchicken is something new, right,
so carve out time for the friedchicken.
But getting back to our, doesdisney world need a fifth right?
I have one more con.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Okay.
It would just simply cost toomuch money.
For how much disney would wantto spend on a park?
I mean, we're talking north,northwards of 17 billion dollars
.
Oh, 17 billion right to make agood park, if they so, if they
were to take Tokyo DisneySearight.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
Here's what I read today.
If they took Tokyo DisneySeabuilt the same exact park in
Orlando, it would cost over $17billion.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
And with their plan, with $60 billion that they plan
on spending, that's a third ofthat, right, and that's not
taking into account cruise ships, disneyland and upgrades and
Disneyland forward.
Yeah, right, and that's nottaken into effect cruise ships
and upgrades and Disneylandforward.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Yeah, right, so they plan on spending about $17
billion total at Disney Worldover the next so many years?
It wasn't part of their plan,right?
Speaker 2 (19:28):
So they'll take all of it, yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Or over it Over that.
If you were making new concepts, new rides, right, that's just
taking exactly Tokyo DisneySeaand rebuilding it Now did you
happen to see the numbers ofwhat Epic Universe cost.
I don't recall.
I thought of that today.
I read it while they werebuilding it.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Okay, wherever, that place is One of the things, and
I watched for that other part, Iwatched a lot of theney
influencers going to the otherpark all of them are going.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Right, they're all going, I know so like I could
have went, but I could have wentlast week, but I didn't they.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
One of the things, though, is I'm looking around at
the land.
Yeah, when disney does a landlike, when you walk into black
spire outpost, you feel like youare in a land the rocks, the
trees, you feel like they'verecreated a human land.
(20:25):
When I was looking at thisother park and I love that we're
doing that they put out cutoutsof trees and they put out
cutouts of decor.
It's not.
They don't put real trees inthere and they did in some
aspects.
But it doesn't feel like you'vewalked into a land, fantasy
(20:50):
land.
You walk in with all of thebuildings and it feels like
you're walking into a land thatyou saw in Snow White or
Cinderella or in those movies.
Okay, they really got this.
Now, the only one that reallyfelt like that was the new Harry
Potter, the Ministry of Magic,all of that.
(21:11):
Now that really and, hands down, they do fantastic with feeling
like you're walking into thehuman version of the land that's
in the book or the story.
But with some of their otherlands it just felt cartoonish
and it didn't feel cheap.
It didn't feel like you werewalking into a human version of
(21:33):
Mario Land.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
I think Mario Land, they did well.
Now they did it well.
It looks like you're walkinginto a video game.
I think it truly looks likethat.
I think Mario Land, they didwell.
Now they did it well.
It looks like you're walkinginto a video game.
I think it truly looks likethat.
I think it's pretty cool itdoes.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
But to me that Disney , the way Disney does lands like
when you walk into Cars Landyou feel like you're walking
into a human version of like youwould expect to see lightning
McQueen driving down the roadtalking to you, correct, in Cars
Land it feels human, it doesn'tfeel video game, it doesn't
(22:03):
feel cartoon and with the otherpark, some of their, a lot of
their lands either, it'sdisjointed and it doesn't make a
lot of sense, which I thinkthey corrected a lot of that
with, uh, the new park.
But it doesn't feel like thehuman version of that land.
It feels like and I don'tnecessarily I don't like that as
(22:24):
much personally, okay, and Idon't think that's as expensive
and that it that is a to the conof it's just too expensive for
disney to do dis, to do thingscorrectly, like you walk around
Animal Kingdom, and it felt likeAsia, africa, you know, in
(22:47):
Kanto well, puebla, esperanza,it's not in Kanto land, although
we're always going to call itin Kanto land.
But when you walk around PueblaEsperanza it's going to feel
like you're in south america.
They do a really good job ofthis.
Feels authentic, they do and Ithink that's expensive.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Yeah, I'm still on the.
I mean, if you're gonna playthe video game aspect, though,
shouldn't you look like you'regoing into a video game?
Speaker 2 (23:14):
instead of a human version of the video game, but
it feels like a cheap version,maybe when I look at it.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
I gotta rewatch stuff again with that on my mind and
I haven't seen the villains area, the what they call it, dark
universe or yes, whatever thatportal thing I haven't seen that
one at all.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
yet frankenstein, dracula, all of those guys, it's
like the old.
I don't think I've seen anyvideos on that.
Some fresh baked Did a verygood walkthrough, because it's
like an hour and a half long.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
I have so not watched Idiom my favorite podcasters.
That went there Because they'regoing against Because he's the
best Disneyland person ever.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
He is For Disneyland.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
He's the best, but he went to florida.
Come on, we don't need youthere.
Yeah, I'm serious, don't need,I want it.
I want my disneyland news fromhim, and people don't do disney
world very well.
I mean he.
There's no one like him atdisney world that I've ever
found.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
No that good, but see , he's, I like his.
He's got a differentperspective, and so I like his.
He's got a differentperspective, and so I like him
when he goes to Knott's BerryFarm.
I did watch that one actually,so yeah, I don't, I can't
remember if I've seen him go toUniversal Hollywood or like
Magic Mountain, but he makes meinterested.
I think he makes me moreinterested in going to these
(24:32):
places more than anybody else,because he's our people, he's
more like us.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
I think so.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Yeah, I feel like I want to go to the park with him
every time I watch him yeah,yeah, although he'd have to sit
by and wait and watch you go onthe thriller rides, because
those aren't his thing, right?
Yeah, and so watching his,because he's very thorough,
because he'll take an hour and ahalf and do a couple videos to
hour and a half long videos.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
Oh yeah, His talk.
So on a we're going off on adifferent tangent, on a
different podcast person, buthis thing on haunted mansion
when it reopened it kept goingand going, he kept talking about
it.
He got more excited, moreexcited as he was talking.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Anyway, I have a summary of what I think of the
whole thing.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Anyway, I have a summary of what I think of the
whole thing.
Okay, okay, so you're going?
No new parks needed.
I don't think it's needed.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Okay, I would be happy if a new one was built.
Right, but I don't think inOrlando it's needed to compete
with Universal.
I think the upgrades thatthey're doing the only upgrade
that I'm kind of disappointedthat they're not doing is
Tomorrowland.
But the upgrades that they'redoing are going to improve the
(25:42):
parks enough where I thinkthey're good for years.
Yeah, if they decide to doFifth Gate, hey, I'm happy
Because I know they're going todo it well and what it'll be is
they'll do it one way and then,after about 10 or years, they'll
start changing it right,figuring out oh, people didn't
quite want that, they wantedthis.
But, that being said, I don'tthink they needed to compete so,
(26:05):
surprise, surprise everyone, I100% agree with you.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
Like always, my thoughts are just to make the
current parks better.
Yeah, that's what they shouldconcentrate on yeah all that
other money spin and just giveus better rides.
Different, different stuff likehollywood studios meet needs,
like more oomph to it it likeneeds something else.
I don't know what that is nowwill monsters inc.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
Maybe enough, maybe we'll have to see.
It's a show, it's a greatlooking ride.
It looks great and potentiallya sushi spot.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
Don't know if that's enough, but we'll see.
We'll see.
But maybe it needs one morething after that.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
It probably To make it like hit.
The courtyard over on the otherside is kind of blah.
But now that they've gotaerials going in there or it
will be soon in time for my trip, Ho will be soon in time for my
trip, Hooray, hooray and thevillain show in time for my trip
.
I'm just going to miss the lastof the Muppets.
Very disappointed there.
(27:04):
But yeah, that might help thatarea.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
Yeah, that's what Hollywood Epcot needs, like
refurbs all over the place.
I think they could update a lotof stuff, especially in the
entrance, all the stuff in thewhen you first walk in.
They could just do, they couldjust upgrade stuff, right, then
they then they totally need,totally need another, another
pavilion, like one more countryin there.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Yeah, and maybe, as we're talking about Morocco,
update Morocco a little bit withlike like something more like a
ride or so I something, I thinkit was, it was better, but then
it the pandemic kind of killedit yeah so I don't know if they
were giving it up, though yeah,I thought I'd heard some rumor
(27:46):
that, like they were gonna phaseit out, phase it out, which
india should just step in, andthat's what you've been saying
right, yeah, yeah, so yeah, Ithink they need to do something
else with Morocco or refurbishit somehow, yeah, and then add
another country to the pavilionwhere there's just more.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
There needs to be a couple more rides in there they
need to build.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
Okay, so what Disney needs to do Disney, if you're
listening, pay attention here.
This is a great idea.
You need to find a Germanheritage folk tale, buy it and
do a movie out of it.
And then you have the space,because it was a planned ride in
the Germany pavilion, and thenyou just need to build the ride
(28:26):
there yeah, because it wouldn'tinterfere with anything, because
it's all behind there and then,as soon as it's all ready, you
just knock down that wall.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
Right, yeah, and then you did like by Doctor who.
Oh, there you go, and then putthat in the English pavilion.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
You know they were going to do a ride there for
Mary Poppins.
I think that'd be okay, right.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
Well, they have all those Monty Python shirts in the
English pavilion.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Oh, they do.
There's a ride, that's right.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Monty Python, there's a ride.
Eli's new favorite ride, theMonty Python coaster, and then
Animal Kingdom.
I think, even though they'rebuilding the new land there, it
needs more.
It needs two more lands, twofull more lands in Animal
Kingdom.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Don't know what they are.
I didn't go that deep intothings, but it just needs more
right.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
It's such a cool park .
If they added two, two morelands all of a sudden, animal
kingdom would be a day, atwo-day park.
I think it'd be a full day park.
I think it'd be a two-day parkeven with pueblo esperanza.
Now it'd be two-day parkbecause it's just such a great
park to walk around.
It really is.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
It depends on how many rides they added so let's
think about that.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
They could do some sort of middle Eastern land, of
course.
What animals, you know?
You got to think of the animalsBecause they have, like India,
asia, but is there Australasian?
Speaker 1 (29:44):
They could even do the Zootopia land there.
They could they have inShanghai.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
They could that kind of thing Because they have the
Zootopia show.
Right, yeah, there's just somany.
I mean a show, right, yeah,there's just some.
I mean, oh well, there's likethe antarctic land too, right,
which is a little hard tobelieve when you're in
sweltering weather they can evendo something.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
The national geographic, oh, where it's like
they could do something right,where it's cool, and edutainment
, edutainment yes, yeah, becauseright now you know people talk
about being a half-day park.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
It's a half-day park if all you're interested in is
rights.
Yeah, because you now you knowpeople talk about being a
half-day park.
It's a half-day park if allyou're interested in is rides
yeah, because you go, there'sright, that's all.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
If all you do is go on a couple, the few rides that
are there, you just leave.
Yeah, right, we could have doneif we rode every ride once.
We could have left at like 10am.
Yeah, when chris and I wentright, but shows right, and then
, right, you want to ride ever.
It's more, more than once.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
And the drawing out at Rafiki's Planet Watch.
So heading out there on thetrain and doing all the animal
walkthroughs, it's easy to do afull day there at that park.
Even now with the Dinolandshutdown, I think we'll be fine
with doing a full day there,right, right, but some people
(30:55):
it's not the deal.
So let's talk about, let's moveinto the one in Abu Dhabi, the
new park, okay, and, like I said, I think this has the potential
to take the crown from DisneyTokyo Sea as the best park in
the world Because of the amountof money.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Right, I didn't like zoom in on the drawing and I
didn't really either, butwhatever that castle thing was
they have, I mean, I don't evenknow what that is yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
That's crazy, I think so.
No place has Tomorrowland wheretheir park icon is.
I think there's a chance, andthey should be looking at that,
to make the best Tomorrowland inthe world.
I think it would be so cool.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
Interesting.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
You know, like I said , my idea with AI, character
meet and greets, so where youcome up to the screen and you're
talking to a character and it'sresponding in time to what
you're asking, or to little kidsand stuff, and you can meet any
character you want.
You know all the screens.
You just punch in whichcharacter you want and it pulls
(32:04):
up that character and then youknow a little kid can just start
talking and it responds.
So, utilizing AI, you knowelectric car vehicles for the
Autopia of some sort, or youknow, there's just so much that
they could be doing.
Yeah, a flight to Mars type ofride, but a cool one, not flight
(32:26):
to Mars 1960.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
That's pretty cool.
The flight to Mars 1960, prettycool.
I like Mission Space.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
It's not horrible.
Was that to Mars Mission Space?
Yeah, orange Mission, yeah, oh,is that why Orange?
Pretty cool, I like missionspace.
The it's not horrible, was that?
Was that to mars mission?
Speaker 1 (32:36):
space yeah orange mission, yeah oh, is that why
orange okay?
Speaker 2 (32:39):
well see, I'm never writing right.
You're never right because I'mnever going to vomit on that
right so yeah, so who knows?
Speaker 1 (32:45):
I'm excited to see what the next steps are, what
they come up with, what therumors are going to be all the
talk.
It's something else to talkabout.
It's going to take thediscussion from the other park
away a little bit.
Yeah, the park up north OfDisney.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
World.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
Yeah, yeah.
Well, it's north of all theDisney parks in America.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
Yeah, no, is it further south than Anaheim?
Speaker 1 (33:08):
Yeah, it's further south than Anaheim.
Yeah, it's so weird.
It's so weird thinking abouthow, where Florida is.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
It was where florida is.
It was yeah, yeah, you know.
And then there's a whole newamerican heartland park.
I'm actually looking forward tothat one.
Yeah, I'm gonna go, because Iwas just in oklahoma for the
first time.
Okay, second time.
Technically, I drove throughoklahoma at one point in my life
and, yes, I went back tooklahoma and let me, let me just
tell you that was odd.
Oh yeah, not the people.
Oh, the people are odd too.
Possibly, possibly they are.
I have limited interaction.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
But it was just okay.
You call this a road and it's apothole-filled dirt road and
the roads are horrible and itsays, oh, take this next left,
and the next left is like amuddy bog of a road.
It's like that's not a road,right, apple Maps.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
Waze.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Right, let's get our act together.
It was scary on some of thoseroads, but I'm looking forward
to that park Go Sooners, becauseI think that was it's trying to
capture the initial what Walttried to do with Disneyland,
right?
Speaker 1 (34:11):
But it'll be the 50s instead of the 20th century.
And our other new park news thecomedian Nate Bergazzi.
You know who that is no.
10th century.
And our other New Park news thecomedian Nate Bergazzi.
You know who that is?
No, he's a very famous comedian.
Okay, big on Starlight Live.
Look him up.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
He's great.
Oh, yeah, okay.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
We don't know Nate Bergazzi.
He is amazing.
He does family-friendly comedy.
That's just funny.
Okay, he's one of Chrissy'sfavorites.
She's seen him a couple times,I think I'm not sure we had
tickets once.
I forgot to request it off work, so her and Eli went.
But he announced on aninterview the other day that he
(34:42):
wants to open a theme park.
Oh, he wants to rival Disneywith his theme park and he
didn't say how.
What was his theme?
He doesn't have a theme yet.
Okay, it's going to be cool, hesaid.
But Nate Bregazzi's theme park,I bet, would be hilarious.
It'd be a constant Monsters Inclaugh floor.
You finished your drink, I did,and you have a major drinking
(35:05):
problem and a condensation allover my shirt.
Now we both finished our drinksduring this episode.
We did, which doesn't happenall the time.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
And there's a good sign that you want to try the
Medina Mixer At Spice Road Table.
Spice Road Table in the MoroccoPavilion Next time you're at
Epcot Looks like they have somedelicious food.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
We need to have another drink or something right
now, because ours are gone, sowe shall say cheers, cheers.
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