April 6, 2023 • 29 mins
Kip Winger is a Grammy nominated musician, best known for fronting the band Winger. His big break came when he was the bass player for Alice Cooper. He subsequently left the band to start Winger and the rest is history. The band has a new album out May 5th titled “Seven.” We discuss the new album, potential set list, why he left Alice Cooper’s band and so much more! Fun episode!!!
00:00 - Intro
00:44 - Proud Desperado & Vocals
03:00 - It All Comes Back Around
04:10 - Complexities of Album & Listener Feedback
07:00 - Stick The Knife In & Twist
08:50 - Broken Glass & Paul Taylor
10:50 - It's Okay & Talk Box
11:50 - Down Incognito
16:35 - Blind Revolution Mad & Record Labels
19:01 - Leaving Alice Cooper For Winger
22:10 - Work with Bob Dylan, Alan Parsons & More
24:35 - Upcoming Shows, Set List & Meet & Greets
27:00 - Rockstar Rescue
28:30 - Outro
Winger website:
https://www.wingertheband.com/
Rockstar Rescue website:
https://rockstarrescue.org/
Chuck Shute website:
https://chuckshute.com/
Thanks for Listening & Shute for the Moon!
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Chuck Shute (00:00):
Alright, Kip winger is here. And Kip is one of those
guests that I've been trying toget on the show for years and he
finally did it because he ispromoting the new winger album
seven, which comes out on May 7,may 7, may 5. Okay may 5, the
album's called seven, two tracksare available now and we're
going to discuss a few more pluswhat songs are going to play
live, as well as some tidbitsfrom the past like THE STORY
(00:23):
BEHIND THE SONG down in Cognito.
Why he decided to make the jumpfrom bassist for Alice Cooper to
frontman and so much more.
Coming right up.
(00:44):
Welcome Kip Winger. How's itgoing?
Kip Winger (00:46):
Good. How are you man?
Chuck Shute (00:48):
Good. Good. So yeah, new album seven. I'm
loving the songs the firstsingle though proud Desperado.
Is it? Is it just me? Or is thatis that song kind of hard? Like
for an average person to sing?
Because I it's such a catchysong and I want to sing along,
but I don't think I'm hittingthe keys. Right?
Kip Winger (01:07):
I guess it could be.
Yeah, I guess that could be apretty difficult song for
somebody who's trying to singout out of the blue. I'm gonna
give you a voice lesson. Yes.
Could
Chuck Shute (01:16):
you Yeah, cuz.
Yeah. It's like, it's likeproud, Despo rod. It's like a
lot of things going on there. AmI wrong?
Kip Winger (01:25):
The intervals in that section are very. Yeah,
they are. Let me see.
Chuck Shute (01:30):
It's more complex than just the typical song.
Kip Winger (01:34):
Thank you for noticing that. Yeah, it's it's I
don't remember the melody rightnow. But it's quite a stretch on
those first intervals in the inthe pre chorus. Yeah. Yeah, I
Chuck Shute (01:49):
noticed that stuff.
When I started to try to singalong to sorry, oh, I this is
not just the kicks in your head.
It's so catchy. But it's harderto sing along to. So
Kip Winger (01:58):
it's funny that you say that because when I was
recording it, I was trying to besure that all the consistency of
the of the tone of my voice wasright on all of those syllables.
And to place my throat in theright way to get that proud.
(02:19):
Rado and I had to instead ofwho's, that was a challenge.
Chuck Shute (02:27):
Yeah. And then when you play it live, you got to be
playing the bass to does that.
Does that even like a thing foryou anymore? Is that like, super
easy to play bass and sing?
Kip Winger (02:34):
No. Are you crazy?
Man, I have to practice forhours to do that. And I'm
panicking. I woke up last nightgoing oh my god, I have to learn
that song. For the video, whichone thing is like, you know, you
don't really have to do. Butyeah, no, I do I have to learn
it that and whichever other oneswe're doing, there's a couple on
the album. And there's a couplesongs in our catalogue that are
(02:57):
I could never do it. And it'sjust totally impossible. Like,
in my veins on pull. If youlisten to the very last part
where the music is going all theway up the neck, and I'm singing
this ridiculously high thing.
And he's like, no way I couldever do it live.
Chuck Shute (03:16):
Wow. That's yeah.
And what about because thenewest single? It all comes back
around? That's that's a longersong. And that seems like very
complex. Like, it seems likemusically. There's a lot of
things going on. Is thatsomething that you would do live
as well?
Kip Winger (03:31):
Yeah, yeah. It's actually it's not it is thank
you for noticing that. Iappreciate that. It's it's, it's
not. It's complex, but it's notcomplicated. It's it's you know,
like the keyboard party. It'snot like this Jordan Rudess kind
(03:54):
of thing where it's, you know,it's not like that. It's just
very composed. And the chordprogressions are unusual. But
yeah, well, I'm sure we'll takea stab at that one.
Chuck Shute (04:08):
Yeah, so that was and that's what you mentioned
that with this album. There'sthe complexities are you use
some of the tricks that youlearn from classical training
and Orca. orchestral arranging,right.
Kip Winger (04:21):
Yeah, man. I mean, I, I'm always chasing something
that's in my head. That's alittle bit more unusual. I hear
a lot of you know, I've beendoing orchestral music for a
long time now and it feeds therock music because it always
gives me some kind of a pathwayto do something different that
(04:41):
you wouldn't normally hear inrock. And I always try to you
know, put that stuff in themusic and make it more
interesting.
Chuck Shute (04:51):
Yeah, well, you mentioned Jordan, and I had him
on my show and it's the samething I feel like with Dream
Theater and winger to me likeyou guys don't put out bad me
Music like every song is goodlike you listen to any winger
song Any Dream Theater. They'reall like you could tell there's
they're really brilliant likeyou guys put in hard work. You
guys know what you're doing andpeople it's funny because some
of the Dream Theater people belike, Oh, this song isn't as
(05:12):
good and I just don't understandthat because I love this new
album. Is that the kind ofresponse you're getting from
most of the fans too?
Kip Winger (05:20):
Yeah, I Yeah, it is.
I appreciate that. There'salways some trolls on their gun.
You know, you guys are you know,whatever. We've we've got some
remnants from the, from thenaysayers back in the midnight
and, you know, mid 90s thatwere, you know, they still like
to come and comment and stupidcomments, but for the most part,
(05:41):
it's all it's all great. I mean,comments I've seen on we just
released. It all comes backaround today. And the comments
that I've seen are great. Peopleseem to be getting it, you know?
Chuck Shute (05:53):
Yeah. Do you think some of those comments? I feel
like, it seems like it comes outof envy.
Kip Winger (06:00):
I don't know, man. I mean, I'm not I would, I
wouldn't. I wouldn't ever wantto be psychologically diagnosing
anybody. But, you know, I don'tunderstand why you would go on
someone's site, just to saysomething bad. But you know,
there's nine or 10 billionpeople out there who knows what
they're all thinking.
Chuck Shute (06:19):
Right? Yeah, no, true. Yeah. But I mean, you're
like the fellow musicians. Iwould think that would mean more
to you that because it's alwaysthe people that troll or the
people that don't have you neverheard of them. They don't have
any followers. They're notmusically.
Kip Winger (06:31):
Those guys. Yeah, a lot of them aren't actually
musicians. The musicians alwaysseem to know the difference, but
so does total a lot of the fans.
I mean, it's just, I think thatyou get that with any with any
genre, you're just gonna get,I'm gonna turn around here.
You're just gonna get peoplethat want to you know, they lift
you up and knock you down, youknow?
Chuck Shute (06:53):
Yeah, no, absolutely. What is one of my
favorite songs on the new recordis a stick first I just write
when I looked at the tracklistand I was like, Oh, this song
sticks out to me stick to it.
Stick the knife in and twist it.
That's such a cool title. Then Ilistened to the riff was cool.
And then the catchy singalongchorus in the in the lyrics like
switch bit switchblade loverwith a poison kiss tattooed. 666
(07:17):
Tastes like heaven. But rememberthis love apocalypse. Like now?
I gotta see an English lit but Ithought that was brilliant. How
did you guys come up with thatone?
Kip Winger (07:25):
Thank you. Well, revenue grab had the lick. And
it was you know what's coolabout that, too, like the verse
kind of reminds me ofWhitesnake. Yeah. I heard we
wrote the music and I wasthinking, what's the name of
this song? What's the name ofthe song and then I heard that
phrase somewhere in an aisle.
That's I wonder if I could workthat into a tune in and actually
co wrote the words with a buddyof mine who's a good great
(07:51):
songwriter named Grant Van Dyck.
And, you know, we were justmilling that stuff overnight.
That was just one of those songsthat came pretty easily. I have
to say. It all just kind of fellin place like a puzzle. But I
really liked the guitar solo inthat it's, you know, John read
(08:13):
plays, then John plays then Reband then they both play. It's
just got to add that one wouldbe a great song to play live,
actually.
Chuck Shute (08:20):
Definitely. And I think I could maybe even sing
that one. In a concert settingwith them to come up
Kip Winger (08:26):
and sing. Oh, really? Okay.
Chuck Shute (08:29):
I'll take you up on that. Are you? I
Kip Winger (08:30):
guess you're a singer, right? No, I
Chuck Shute (08:32):
wish. I just love to sing along to music that I
like, but yeah, no, I
Kip Winger (08:37):
saw we turned you into a singer. Karaoke. That's
what I do. You know,
Chuck Shute (08:42):
everyone's drunk and you know, they can't really
hear real well. That's the bestsinging environment for me. What
about So you mentioned thesolos? I thought that was cool
though. In the song brokenglass. You gave a Paul Taylor a
guitar solo that's really it.
Now how do you decide somethinglike that? Is it was it his song
or something? Or how did it comeup with
Kip Winger (09:05):
that tune? Reb that was one of the early songs that
we worked on I you know what Ijust I thought
I just had the vibe becausePaul's a great soloist and he's
never played a solo on a wingerrecord and I working on the
record and that was one of thosethings where the pandemic you
(09:27):
know, getting ready to come backand forth a lot because I don't
make records by zoom or malemale in your tracks or anything.
I want to be in the room witheverybody. And so I don't know
man, I just got the idea likePaul has been playing some solos
live and stuff and I thought youknow, he's never played a solo
(09:48):
on a winner room was giving asolo on this song. He's just
great. It's got a great feel.
And
Chuck Shute (09:53):
yeah, he's He's such a nice guy too. He did my
show. I haven't met Robin rodand John but it seemed like it
you know, cuz you look at wingeras a band that's you've had the
same members for for so manyyears. I mean obviously
sometimes people have to comeand go because of different
projects but you've all gottenalong. And it seems like that's
probably because you're allreally nice guys.
Kip Winger (10:13):
Well, we get we get along it's funny group of guys
Rob especially. He's very funnyJohn's funny too. I mean,
everybody has a good sense ofhumor. We, we like to hang we've
always been friends even when weweren't actually like, you know,
performing together that much.
We were still talking to eachother all the time. You know, we
never had any legal battles oranything like that. We just too
(10:35):
great hang, you know, so we'relucky that way. No reason for
anybody to leave, you know?
Chuck Shute (10:45):
Yeah, no, that's a great gig. The song It's okay,
that's another new one. It's gotthe cool I love the talk. Is it
as we call the TalkBox guitar?
Kip Winger (10:54):
Yeah, John put that in. He's like, Hey, man, you
want to talk box in this?
Perfect?
Chuck Shute (10:59):
Yeah, how do you dislike I feel like there needs
to be more TalkBox in rockmusic. I don't I mean, you think
like, is it living on a prayeris that the Bon Jovi song that's
got it. And there's just not Ithink there's a Motley Crue song
that has it, but there should bemore.
Kip Winger (11:13):
Peter Frampton really made it famous write it
like I do. And when Bon Jovibrought it back, that was genius
that really worked well in thattrack. And John Ross suggested
it for this track. And I love Ilove the idea and it sounds
great, you know, so we alwayshave one kind of quirky song on
(11:33):
the album that like a downincognito vibe. That's, that's,
that's, it's okay. You know,life is an illusion, man, you
know, the Lyric is really justlife is an illusion, you can't
really see what's really goingon behind the scenes.
Chuck Shute (11:48):
Ya know that. So you mentioned down in Cognito.
That's, I would say, that'sprobably my favorite Wenger song
or one of them. And I'm so gladthat you still play it live. But
tell the story about that.
Because that was reallyinteresting. I didn't know that.
It was kind of a thing similarto cherry pie and warrant where
they said the album was done.
And they're like, hey, we need ahit. And that's how you wrote
(12:08):
down in Cognito.
Kip Winger (12:11):
Well, kind of like that. Yeah, I mean, I took spell
I'm under into the labelthinking it was just you know,
that was really a big single.
And ironically, spell him undernever became a single who's the
one became the single but yeah,they were. They're like, now you
need another one, you know,which really blew me away
because I thought spell I wonderto this day, I think it's one of
(12:33):
the one of the better songs I'vewritten. But yeah, so we went
down. I was like, Okay, well,we're not going to do a guitar
solo. We're just going to dothis funky beat. Yeah, we're
just we're just messing around.
And, and so I was like, Okay,this song needs, I'm gonna go
get a harmonica for this song.
Now, we had this, this downloadand download the download bass
(12:54):
part. And the drum machine wascranking. I was living in
Manhattan. And my studio was inthe back part of this loft I
had. And I was like, Dude, I'mgonna go to Manny's music. I'm
gonna grab a harmonica. And bythe time I get back, I want you
to have a riff done for thisgroove. And I came back and read
(13:15):
was like, What do you think ofthis bom, bom, bom, bom, bom,
bom down, like, Oh, my God.
That's the genius of Redmond. Hejust, sometimes he just knocks
these riffs off the top of hishead that are just mind blowing.
And that was one of them.
Chuck Shute (13:37):
That's amazing, though, that the guy tells you
to write a hit. And to me, it'slike, I think you did. I don't
know. Maybe it was the 90sWherever. So it didn't take off
as much as it should. But thatis a really good song that you
could just sit down and do that.
Kip Winger (13:49):
What look, I'd love to take credit like that. But it
wasn't really like that, youknow, they they said right, you
need you need another song. Thatcan be a single and stuff. So we
wrote a bunch of stuff. Oh,really? Yeah, we were like,
Okay, let's try this, this thisdown. And Cognito was the one
that kind of rose to the top.
Chuck Shute (14:09):
And then explain the one down and
Kip Winger (14:11):
Cognito is like, down to Cognito was one of those
songs that like we did we beatthe demo because there's this
whole, like, you make demos andthe demos are always better.
Because the vibe of the song isbetter in the demo. But on pull
man, we had demos for pulling webeat the demo in every case I
(14:33):
mean with with Mike Shipley itwas just God like him and he was
so good at like bringing thosethings home, you know, like
because I go on and on and onabout this. I don't make demos
anymore because I want to grabthe inspiration of the tune
right when it's there. And Irecorded like on the spot. But,
but we really we really nailedit on that. That was that song
(14:55):
in particular.
Chuck Shute (14:56):
No, I love that.
And then I wanted to ask you Iwas wondering about the music
video because I for years, Ithink I wondered where is this
place? And then I realized Ilive in Scottsdale and I was
like, Oh, this is in Arizona.
But it's funny because this isbefore Instagram and all this
stuff like how did you guys findthat location? Because it's
really cool. I actually wentthere.
Kip Winger (15:17):
Yeah, it's in two McCurry. Yeah. Yeah, the video
producers, the director, theyhad a scout and they were
thinking down incognito. I mean,of course, it lends itself to,
you know, you're you're out inthe middle of nowhere, hanging
out until the sun's gonna shine.
Some some some location scoutfound it. And honestly, and by
(15:40):
the way, I was living in Floridathen. And when I went there, was
like, Oh, my God, I want thisvibe. So I packed up and moved
to New Mexico after that.
Chuck Shute (15:51):
Oh, that's when you live in Santa Fe or whatever.
That's right. After that video,
Kip Winger (15:55):
I packed up and moved because I wanted that
desert vibe. That's really whereI feel the most at home and that
like super deserty vibe,peaceful, you know, kind of
pseudo spiritual vibe.
Chuck Shute (16:10):
Yeah. So why don't you move to Arizona then?
Because I know you. You want toget out of Nashville. So
Kip Winger (16:16):
does everybody know I want to leave Nashville?
Chuck Shute (16:18):
Well, you mentioned it. I think I heard you say,
Kip Winger (16:21):
yeah, no, I made it mostly because there's the
winter weather is just downrightdepressing. Yeah, I don't know
what I'm doing. I'm so busy. Iwon't be able to be moving
anytime soon.
Chuck Shute (16:33):
Yeah. I want to ask you about the story to this was
funny, I heard you talking aboutthe song blind revolution mad.
And that's such that song is sobrilliant lyrically and
musically, and the weight startsslow. And then it kicks in. But
I heard you said interestingtidbit about that is that when
you were recording it, the thea&r guy came in and tried to
(16:53):
like get you to change the songand put the word love. And I
just told that story. Just yeah,I think it was on Crystal makes
podcast.
Kip Winger (17:02):
Yeah, I told I just told that story. Again. I was we
were telling him the questionactually was like, do you miss
the old time music business? Anddo you feel like there's less
pressure now, to your pointabout a record company, saying
now you got to write a hit? AndI and I, my answer was no,
because I keep my bar very highinternally. And I want to, you
(17:26):
know, keep raising the bar, butto your to answer your question.
And to my point was that, backin the day, there were only a
few really great a&r people,like, you know, that could
really hear the difference likeJohn Kolodner. Case, you know,
there was a couple guys thatreally knew what what was up.
(17:49):
And we had this one guy,listening to blind revolution,
mad demo, and right when I sing,Kevin, the band goes, he was
like, you need the word loveright there. And I'm like, I
literally was like, You gotta befucking kidding me, man. Like,
(18:13):
it was embarrassing.
Chuck Shute (18:15):
Do you think they sometimes just wanted to be
heard and known that tried tolook like they were doing
something? Because that doesn'tlike seem to make he's not a
songwriter? How would he know?
Kip Winger (18:24):
Yeah, I think they, there was a lot of them that
felt like they needed to saysomething because they needed to
justify their position. Yeah,definitely. I mean, look, having
said that back then I was like,you know, I mean, I was like,
You're out of your mind. Right.
I mean, that was just thestupidest thing I've ever heard.
But I've been in situationswhere, uh huh. I wonder if it
(18:46):
needs, you know, and people havemade suggestions. But I mean, I
have a very close Council ofpeople that I trust, you know,
and I've, I've have had that foryears. And I don't really go
outside of,
Chuck Shute (19:00):
yeah, how did you I want to always want to ask you
this. Because for people whodon't know, you started out
without playing for AliceCooper. And then I heard the
story that you slipped on fakeblood and you hurt your knee.
And so then you got workman'scomp. So that's kind of how you
were able to make the music withwinger, but how did you know
that it was a good move to leaveAlice Cooper and go out and just
(19:21):
focus 100% on winger, becausethat's a pretty ballsy move at
the time. I mean, there's a lotof people that would kill for
the Alice Cooper gig and you'resaying, I think I could do
better which it turned out to bethe right decision. But how did
you know that was the rightdecision?
Kip Winger (19:35):
I just felt like once a sideman always aside,
man, I it was a greatopportunity. But I felt like
that was such a cushy gig, thatit would be very easy to get
super comfortable and neverjump, you know. And I was my
main thing was writing music. SoI wanted to write and do perform
my own music and that was nevergoing to happen in that camp.
(19:58):
Having said that, I mean Aliceis the most was generous,
awesome individual ever. And heactually encouraged me to go,
you know, so it was like, youknow, he gave me his full on
blessing. It was really justcame down to just that first and
foremost, I wanted to writesongs and you know, perform my
(20:18):
own shit. Yeah, I mean, it waslooking back on it, it was like,
Whoa, you know. And by the way,I'd be happy and Alice Cooper's
band now because I wouldn't haveto sing all this stuff. Just
seeing backgrounds, I'd neverlose my voice. And I love the
(20:38):
Alice Cooper music and justbeing the bass player seems very
appealing at this point. Butyeah, it was. It was it was
real. It was it was scary. Imean, we were like, Okay, let's
see what happens. I mean, youknow, we got turned down by
everybody, man, you know,finally at the very in the final
(20:59):
hour, we got a deal withAtlantic.
Chuck Shute (21:02):
So you left before you had the deal? Oh, yeah. Wow,
that's really ballsy. Oh, yeah.
Kip Winger (21:08):
Now we left and Reverend, I made a pact to not
take any more outside work. Thatwas the deal. I called Rev. And
I said, look, let's write analbum and get a record deal. So
you don't take any more workbecause read was very popular in
the New York session scene. He'dbeen doing a lot of stuff for
(21:28):
Beau Hill and air reef, Martineand he played on min Chaka Khan
Beegees, Twisted Sister tons.
And I was like, don't take anymore work. And I'm not going to
take any more work. And we'regoing to just sit in this room
and we're going to write analbum and we're going to get a
record deal. It's very naive.
Chuck Shute (21:47):
That's fucking brilliant, though. I love it.
That's that's how you get to bebig is by taking chances like
that, I think.
Kip Winger (21:54):
Yeah, that was a big chance. And like you said that
the workman's comp money wasabout three or 400 a week gave
me enough to survive to throughthat time to get signed.
Chuck Shute (22:04):
Yeah. Well, you mentioned the guest appearances
and things like that sessionwork is so is it true that
because I was looking throughsome of the stuff you've done,
you've done some great sessionwork of your own. Did you really
play on Bob Dylan's album? Ididn't know that.
Kip Winger (22:20):
I played on a track that ended up on a Bob Dylan
album. Yeah. Oh, but
Chuck Shute (22:24):
you didn't like you didn't actually sit down with
him or No, no,
Kip Winger (22:27):
no, no, no, I never.
i i I was lucky to be on thetrack, but I never met Bob.
Chuck Shute (22:41):
Yeah, that would have been cool. Either way.
You're still on there. So it's agood resume builder, right.
Kip Winger (22:47):
It's pretty it looks cool. Yeah, I ain't gonna lie.
But you know, I mean, I've got alot of that kind of stuff. And
you know, I played with a lot ofbig people in rock and with rock
and roll fantasy camp, that Ican go Yeah, I jammed with him
and I jammed with him and Ijammed with him and I jammed
with him. It's not like Iactually was legitimately
(23:10):
playing with those guys though.
Chuck Shute (23:13):
Well, you did legitimately play for Alice
Cooper that's that's a prettygood one too. Right there. So
Kip Winger (23:17):
and Alan Parsons I was Alan Parsons singer for a
year or plus in 2003 or four.
And I serve as the lead singerin his life project for a while.
Chuck Shute (23:31):
That's awesome. Is there anybody that's on your
bucket list that you haven't hada chance to even like jam with
that you'd want to?
Kip Winger (23:38):
I'm not really a jammer. That's the thing. You
know, I'm, I'm, I'm very shy.
I'm a very shy musician. If wejam the blues, okay, you know,
or jam, like, Black Sabbathsongs. Cool, but I'm not one of
those guys, you know, and I gaveup trying to be a good
instrumentalist quite a longtime ago, just in favor of
composing. I do want to do aproject with Andy Timmons at
(24:02):
some point. My all time favoriteguitar players him and Steve
Vai, but I'm in and I'm, I'mgood. I'd like to meet Peter
Gabriel and Paul McCartney andjust shake their hand and thank
them for the inspiration butother than that, I'm alright. I
feel I've done a lot. I'm good.
(24:26):
Yeah.
Chuck Shute (24:27):
Absolutely. Well, new tour new album's coming out
soon, the two singles alreadyout. And then the tour with John
Turabian. Tom Kiefer. So what'sthe setlist going to be like?
Obviously we're going to havethe hits. But is there going to
be how many new songs is theregoing to be any some maybe some
deep cuts from pole or anythinglike that
Kip Winger (24:46):
in the setlist?
Yeah. That's funny that you saythat because I keep telling the
guys you know, we should mix itup and throw in some unexpected
stuff, you know? Yeah. Butusually, like for example, we're
opening On on quite a few ofthese runs, like with timekeeper
and stuff, and we only have timeto get in the hits and a couple
new songs, you know, so if youhave any suggestions, I'm all
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ears.
Chuck Shute (25:11):
Yeah, well, I just like books, as you mentioned
that it was I think it's the30th anniversary of poll and the
35th anniversary of the firstalbum. But yeah, Paul to me is
like, that's my favorite. Youknow, like blind revolution mad
or junkyard dog. I think that'dbe kind of
Kip Winger (25:24):
fun. Blind blind revolution, man. I love it.
Yeah. Where are you in Phoenix?
Chuck Shute (25:30):
Yeah, Scottsdale, South Scottsdale.
Kip Winger (25:33):
All right. Well, when we're there, I'll play it.
Chuck Shute (25:35):
Are you coming here? I didn't see it on the are
you going to add date?
Kip Winger (25:38):
I'm sure we'll be there at some point. Yeah.
Chuck Shute (25:40):
Okay. Yeah. I saw you guys when last time came
through with the warrant andSkid Row. That was a fun show at
that Casino. Outdoors. Do youremember that? Phoenix or
Tucson?
Kip Winger (25:52):
No, it
Chuck Shute (25:52):
was it was Phoenix or Scottsdale was a talking
stick. It was at the casino.
Right. Right. Right. Yeah. Iremember that was a good show.
Yeah. Because it was kind ofduring the pandemic, wherever.
So it was outdoors. So I thinkit was safe or whatever. I had a
blast. It was. Yeah, that wasfun. Yeah, that's those three
bands. I mean, it's like it's anice one. You guys. I like the
packages. You know, you cancatch a couple different. John
Turabian. Tom Kiefer are hugefans of both those guys too. So
Kip Winger (26:16):
yeah, me too. Yeah.
Yeah. We toured with Cinderellaback in the day. Great tour.
Great tour.
Chuck Shute (26:22):
Yeah. So and then I saw that you're going to be
doing the meet and greets.
That's like the VIP thing. Isthat do you like doing that? Is
that kind of like a necessaryevil or?
Kip Winger (26:32):
No, no, I like doing it those who like you meet the
true fans doing that? Do youever
Chuck Shute (26:37):
get recognized just like on the street like or in
Nashville or whatever, like,sometimes? Is that is it do you
like that? Or is it kind ofweird?
Kip Winger (26:46):
Oh, I mean, it's just been happening my whole
life. So it's, I don't eventhink about it. It's just is
what it is. You
Chuck Shute (26:53):
just used it. Okay.
Cool. Well, I'm sure you got toget to your next interview. So I
appreciate you taking the timewith this. I always I always
promote a charity at the end oftheir charity that you want to
promote.
Kip Winger (27:05):
That's really interesting. I mean, I donate to
a few but bass in general, mymom this big dog kick from China
where they're where they eatdogs and I can't wrap my head
around that one. So if you findit a legit one for that donate.
Let's not eat our dogs.
Chuck Shute (27:24):
Okay, I'll research that put it in the show notes
along with you know
Kip Winger (27:27):
what, there's there's a place in Phoenix
actually called Rockstar rescuethat does that, that I've
donated to and they're rightthere in your in your area. And
they're really cool peopleRockstar rescue, okay, is an
animal shelter.
Chuck Shute (27:43):
I will put that in the show notes along with the
website and people can gettickets to the show. They can
get preorder the new album, it'sout May 5, and they can get T
shirts. And is there gonna bemore merch? Or is it just
Kip Winger (27:56):
go to go to the website when you're the band.com
there's brand new merch, there's35th anniversary 30th
anniversary, new album, and it'sall up there now. So preorder
the new record. That's whatwe're hoping people will
preorder the record. And there'svinyl. And vinyl has been really
big. I even ordered
Chuck Shute (28:16):
it on myself. Yeah, does the vinyl that always seems
like it takes longer is thatthat's not gonna be ready on May
5 longer.
Kip Winger (28:22):
Yeah, it's gonna be in September.
Chuck Shute (28:24):
Okay, cool. Well, thanks so much. I look forward
to seeing you guys live soon.
Thank you, man. All right. Okay,bye. Well, that was a lot of fun
for me. Great stuff from KipWinger. And again, make sure to
check out the new winger albumseven, which comes out May
5 2023. And you can preorder itnow. Or if you're listening to
this past that date, it'salready out. So make sure to
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great guests lined up that I'mexcited to share with all of
you. Thanks for listening andhave a great day and shoot for
the moon.
Alright, Kip winger is here. And Kip is one of those
guests that I've been trying toget on the show for years and he
finally did it because he ispromoting the new winger album
seven, which comes out on May 7,may 7, may 5. Okay may 5, the
album's called seven, two tracksare available now and we're
going to discuss a few more pluswhat songs are going to play
live, as well as some tidbitsfrom the past like THE STORY
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BEHIND THE SONG down in Cognito.
Why he decided to make the jumpfrom bassist for Alice Cooper to
frontman and so much more.
Coming right up.
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Welcome Kip Winger. How's itgoing?
Kip Winger (00:46):
Good. How are you man?
Chuck Shute (00:48):
Good. Good. So yeah, new album seven. I'm
loving the songs the firstsingle though proud Desperado.
Is it? Is it just me? Or is thatis that song kind of hard? Like
for an average person to sing?
Because I it's such a catchysong and I want to sing along,
but I don't think I'm hittingthe keys. Right?
Kip Winger (01:07):
I guess it could be.
Yeah, I guess that could be apretty difficult song for
somebody who's trying to singout out of the blue. I'm gonna
give you a voice lesson. Yes.
Could
Chuck Shute (01:16):
you Yeah, cuz.
Yeah. It's like, it's likeproud, Despo rod. It's like a
lot of things going on there. AmI wrong?
Kip Winger (01:25):
The intervals in that section are very. Yeah,
they are. Let me see.
Chuck Shute (01:30):
It's more complex than just the typical song.
Kip Winger (01:34):
Thank you for noticing that. Yeah, it's it's I
don't remember the melody rightnow. But it's quite a stretch on
those first intervals in the inthe pre chorus. Yeah. Yeah, I
Chuck Shute (01:49):
noticed that stuff.
When I started to try to singalong to sorry, oh, I this is
not just the kicks in your head.
It's so catchy. But it's harderto sing along to. So
Kip Winger (01:58):
it's funny that you say that because when I was
recording it, I was trying to besure that all the consistency of
the of the tone of my voice wasright on all of those syllables.
And to place my throat in theright way to get that proud.
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Rado and I had to instead ofwho's, that was a challenge.
Chuck Shute (02:27):
Yeah. And then when you play it live, you got to be
playing the bass to does that.
Does that even like a thing foryou anymore? Is that like, super
easy to play bass and sing?
Kip Winger (02:34):
No. Are you crazy?
Man, I have to practice forhours to do that. And I'm
panicking. I woke up last nightgoing oh my god, I have to learn
that song. For the video, whichone thing is like, you know, you
don't really have to do. Butyeah, no, I do I have to learn
it that and whichever other oneswe're doing, there's a couple on
the album. And there's a couplesongs in our catalogue that are
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I could never do it. And it'sjust totally impossible. Like,
in my veins on pull. If youlisten to the very last part
where the music is going all theway up the neck, and I'm singing
this ridiculously high thing.
And he's like, no way I couldever do it live.
Chuck Shute (03:16):
Wow. That's yeah.
And what about because thenewest single? It all comes back
around? That's that's a longersong. And that seems like very
complex. Like, it seems likemusically. There's a lot of
things going on. Is thatsomething that you would do live
as well?
Kip Winger (03:31):
Yeah, yeah. It's actually it's not it is thank
you for noticing that. Iappreciate that. It's it's, it's
not. It's complex, but it's notcomplicated. It's it's you know,
like the keyboard party. It'snot like this Jordan Rudess kind
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of thing where it's, you know,it's not like that. It's just
very composed. And the chordprogressions are unusual. But
yeah, well, I'm sure we'll takea stab at that one.
Chuck Shute (04:08):
Yeah, so that was and that's what you mentioned
that with this album. There'sthe complexities are you use
some of the tricks that youlearn from classical training
and Orca. orchestral arranging,right.
Kip Winger (04:21):
Yeah, man. I mean, I, I'm always chasing something
that's in my head. That's alittle bit more unusual. I hear
a lot of you know, I've beendoing orchestral music for a
long time now and it feeds therock music because it always
gives me some kind of a pathwayto do something different that
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you wouldn't normally hear inrock. And I always try to you
know, put that stuff in themusic and make it more
interesting.
Chuck Shute (04:51):
Yeah, well, you mentioned Jordan, and I had him
on my show and it's the samething I feel like with Dream
Theater and winger to me likeyou guys don't put out bad me
Music like every song is goodlike you listen to any winger
song Any Dream Theater. They'reall like you could tell there's
they're really brilliant likeyou guys put in hard work. You
guys know what you're doing andpeople it's funny because some
of the Dream Theater people belike, Oh, this song isn't as
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good and I just don't understandthat because I love this new
album. Is that the kind ofresponse you're getting from
most of the fans too?
Kip Winger (05:20):
Yeah, I Yeah, it is.
I appreciate that. There'salways some trolls on their gun.
You know, you guys are you know,whatever. We've we've got some
remnants from the, from thenaysayers back in the midnight
and, you know, mid 90s thatwere, you know, they still like
to come and comment and stupidcomments, but for the most part,
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it's all it's all great. I mean,comments I've seen on we just
released. It all comes backaround today. And the comments
that I've seen are great. Peopleseem to be getting it, you know?
Chuck Shute (05:53):
Yeah. Do you think some of those comments? I feel
like, it seems like it comes outof envy.
Kip Winger (06:00):
I don't know, man. I mean, I'm not I would, I
wouldn't. I wouldn't ever wantto be psychologically diagnosing
anybody. But, you know, I don'tunderstand why you would go on
someone's site, just to saysomething bad. But you know,
there's nine or 10 billionpeople out there who knows what
they're all thinking.
Chuck Shute (06:19):
Right? Yeah, no, true. Yeah. But I mean, you're
like the fellow musicians. Iwould think that would mean more
to you that because it's alwaysthe people that troll or the
people that don't have you neverheard of them. They don't have
any followers. They're notmusically.
Kip Winger (06:31):
Those guys. Yeah, a lot of them aren't actually
musicians. The musicians alwaysseem to know the difference, but
so does total a lot of the fans.
I mean, it's just, I think thatyou get that with any with any
genre, you're just gonna get,I'm gonna turn around here.
You're just gonna get peoplethat want to you know, they lift
you up and knock you down, youknow?
Chuck Shute (06:53):
Yeah, no, absolutely. What is one of my
favorite songs on the new recordis a stick first I just write
when I looked at the tracklistand I was like, Oh, this song
sticks out to me stick to it.
Stick the knife in and twist it.
That's such a cool title. Then Ilistened to the riff was cool.
And then the catchy singalongchorus in the in the lyrics like
switch bit switchblade loverwith a poison kiss tattooed. 666
(07:17):
Tastes like heaven. But rememberthis love apocalypse. Like now?
I gotta see an English lit but Ithought that was brilliant. How
did you guys come up with thatone?
Kip Winger (07:25):
Thank you. Well, revenue grab had the lick. And
it was you know what's coolabout that, too, like the verse
kind of reminds me ofWhitesnake. Yeah. I heard we
wrote the music and I wasthinking, what's the name of
this song? What's the name ofthe song and then I heard that
phrase somewhere in an aisle.
That's I wonder if I could workthat into a tune in and actually
co wrote the words with a buddyof mine who's a good great
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songwriter named Grant Van Dyck.
And, you know, we were justmilling that stuff overnight.
That was just one of those songsthat came pretty easily. I have
to say. It all just kind of fellin place like a puzzle. But I
really liked the guitar solo inthat it's, you know, John read
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plays, then John plays then Reband then they both play. It's
just got to add that one wouldbe a great song to play live,
actually.
Chuck Shute (08:20):
Definitely. And I think I could maybe even sing
that one. In a concert settingwith them to come up
Kip Winger (08:26):
and sing. Oh, really? Okay.
Chuck Shute (08:29):
I'll take you up on that. Are you? I
Kip Winger (08:30):
guess you're a singer, right? No, I
Chuck Shute (08:32):
wish. I just love to sing along to music that I
like, but yeah, no, I
Kip Winger (08:37):
saw we turned you into a singer. Karaoke. That's
what I do. You know,
Chuck Shute (08:42):
everyone's drunk and you know, they can't really
hear real well. That's the bestsinging environment for me. What
about So you mentioned thesolos? I thought that was cool
though. In the song brokenglass. You gave a Paul Taylor a
guitar solo that's really it.
Now how do you decide somethinglike that? Is it was it his song
or something? Or how did it comeup with
Kip Winger (09:05):
that tune? Reb that was one of the early songs that
we worked on I you know what Ijust I thought
I just had the vibe becausePaul's a great soloist and he's
never played a solo on a wingerrecord and I working on the
record and that was one of thosethings where the pandemic you
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know, getting ready to come backand forth a lot because I don't
make records by zoom or malemale in your tracks or anything.
I want to be in the room witheverybody. And so I don't know
man, I just got the idea likePaul has been playing some solos
live and stuff and I thought youknow, he's never played a solo
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on a winner room was giving asolo on this song. He's just
great. It's got a great feel.
And
Chuck Shute (09:53):
yeah, he's He's such a nice guy too. He did my
show. I haven't met Robin rodand John but it seemed like it
you know, cuz you look at wingeras a band that's you've had the
same members for for so manyyears. I mean obviously
sometimes people have to comeand go because of different
projects but you've all gottenalong. And it seems like that's
probably because you're allreally nice guys.
Kip Winger (10:13):
Well, we get we get along it's funny group of guys
Rob especially. He's very funnyJohn's funny too. I mean,
everybody has a good sense ofhumor. We, we like to hang we've
always been friends even when weweren't actually like, you know,
performing together that much.
We were still talking to eachother all the time. You know, we
never had any legal battles oranything like that. We just too
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great hang, you know, so we'relucky that way. No reason for
anybody to leave, you know?
Chuck Shute (10:45):
Yeah, no, that's a great gig. The song It's okay,
that's another new one. It's gotthe cool I love the talk. Is it
as we call the TalkBox guitar?
Kip Winger (10:54):
Yeah, John put that in. He's like, Hey, man, you
want to talk box in this?
Perfect?
Chuck Shute (10:59):
Yeah, how do you dislike I feel like there needs
to be more TalkBox in rockmusic. I don't I mean, you think
like, is it living on a prayeris that the Bon Jovi song that's
got it. And there's just not Ithink there's a Motley Crue song
that has it, but there should bemore.
Kip Winger (11:13):
Peter Frampton really made it famous write it
like I do. And when Bon Jovibrought it back, that was genius
that really worked well in thattrack. And John Ross suggested
it for this track. And I love Ilove the idea and it sounds
great, you know, so we alwayshave one kind of quirky song on
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the album that like a downincognito vibe. That's, that's,
that's, it's okay. You know,life is an illusion, man, you
know, the Lyric is really justlife is an illusion, you can't
really see what's really goingon behind the scenes.
Chuck Shute (11:48):
Ya know that. So you mentioned down in Cognito.
That's, I would say, that'sprobably my favorite Wenger song
or one of them. And I'm so gladthat you still play it live. But
tell the story about that.
Because that was reallyinteresting. I didn't know that.
It was kind of a thing similarto cherry pie and warrant where
they said the album was done.
And they're like, hey, we need ahit. And that's how you wrote
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down in Cognito.
Kip Winger (12:11):
Well, kind of like that. Yeah, I mean, I took spell
I'm under into the labelthinking it was just you know,
that was really a big single.
And ironically, spell him undernever became a single who's the
one became the single but yeah,they were. They're like, now you
need another one, you know,which really blew me away
because I thought spell I wonderto this day, I think it's one of
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the one of the better songs I'vewritten. But yeah, so we went
down. I was like, Okay, well,we're not going to do a guitar
solo. We're just going to dothis funky beat. Yeah, we're
just we're just messing around.
And, and so I was like, Okay,this song needs, I'm gonna go
get a harmonica for this song.
Now, we had this, this downloadand download the download bass
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part. And the drum machine wascranking. I was living in
Manhattan. And my studio was inthe back part of this loft I
had. And I was like, Dude, I'mgonna go to Manny's music. I'm
gonna grab a harmonica. And bythe time I get back, I want you
to have a riff done for thisgroove. And I came back and read
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was like, What do you think ofthis bom, bom, bom, bom, bom,
bom down, like, Oh, my God.
That's the genius of Redmond. Hejust, sometimes he just knocks
these riffs off the top of hishead that are just mind blowing.
And that was one of them.
Chuck Shute (13:37):
That's amazing, though, that the guy tells you
to write a hit. And to me, it'slike, I think you did. I don't
know. Maybe it was the 90sWherever. So it didn't take off
as much as it should. But thatis a really good song that you
could just sit down and do that.
Kip Winger (13:49):
What look, I'd love to take credit like that. But it
wasn't really like that, youknow, they they said right, you
need you need another song. Thatcan be a single and stuff. So we
wrote a bunch of stuff. Oh,really? Yeah, we were like,
Okay, let's try this, this thisdown. And Cognito was the one
that kind of rose to the top.
Chuck Shute (14:09):
And then explain the one down and
Kip Winger (14:11):
Cognito is like, down to Cognito was one of those
songs that like we did we beatthe demo because there's this
whole, like, you make demos andthe demos are always better.
Because the vibe of the song isbetter in the demo. But on pull
man, we had demos for pulling webeat the demo in every case I
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mean with with Mike Shipley itwas just God like him and he was
so good at like bringing thosethings home, you know, like
because I go on and on and onabout this. I don't make demos
anymore because I want to grabthe inspiration of the tune
right when it's there. And Irecorded like on the spot. But,
but we really we really nailedit on that. That was that song
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in particular.
Chuck Shute (14:56):
No, I love that.
And then I wanted to ask you Iwas wondering about the music
video because I for years, Ithink I wondered where is this
place? And then I realized Ilive in Scottsdale and I was
like, Oh, this is in Arizona.
But it's funny because this isbefore Instagram and all this
stuff like how did you guys findthat location? Because it's
really cool. I actually wentthere.
Kip Winger (15:17):
Yeah, it's in two McCurry. Yeah. Yeah, the video
producers, the director, theyhad a scout and they were
thinking down incognito. I mean,of course, it lends itself to,
you know, you're you're out inthe middle of nowhere, hanging
out until the sun's gonna shine.
Some some some location scoutfound it. And honestly, and by
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the way, I was living in Floridathen. And when I went there, was
like, Oh, my God, I want thisvibe. So I packed up and moved
to New Mexico after that.
Chuck Shute (15:51):
Oh, that's when you live in Santa Fe or whatever.
That's right. After that video,
Kip Winger (15:55):
I packed up and moved because I wanted that
desert vibe. That's really whereI feel the most at home and that
like super deserty vibe,peaceful, you know, kind of
pseudo spiritual vibe.
Chuck Shute (16:10):
Yeah. So why don't you move to Arizona then?
Because I know you. You want toget out of Nashville. So
Kip Winger (16:16):
does everybody know I want to leave Nashville?
Chuck Shute (16:18):
Well, you mentioned it. I think I heard you say,
Kip Winger (16:21):
yeah, no, I made it mostly because there's the
winter weather is just downrightdepressing. Yeah, I don't know
what I'm doing. I'm so busy. Iwon't be able to be moving
anytime soon.
Chuck Shute (16:33):
Yeah. I want to ask you about the story to this was
funny, I heard you talking aboutthe song blind revolution mad.
And that's such that song is sobrilliant lyrically and
musically, and the weight startsslow. And then it kicks in. But
I heard you said interestingtidbit about that is that when
you were recording it, the thea&r guy came in and tried to
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like get you to change the songand put the word love. And I
just told that story. Just yeah,I think it was on Crystal makes
podcast.
Kip Winger (17:02):
Yeah, I told I just told that story. Again. I was we
were telling him the questionactually was like, do you miss
the old time music business? Anddo you feel like there's less
pressure now, to your pointabout a record company, saying
now you got to write a hit? AndI and I, my answer was no,
because I keep my bar very highinternally. And I want to, you
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know, keep raising the bar, butto your to answer your question.
And to my point was that, backin the day, there were only a
few really great a&r people,like, you know, that could
really hear the difference likeJohn Kolodner. Case, you know,
there was a couple guys thatreally knew what what was up.
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And we had this one guy,listening to blind revolution,
mad demo, and right when I sing,Kevin, the band goes, he was
like, you need the word loveright there. And I'm like, I
literally was like, You gotta befucking kidding me, man. Like,
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it was embarrassing.
Chuck Shute (18:15):
Do you think they sometimes just wanted to be
heard and known that tried tolook like they were doing
something? Because that doesn'tlike seem to make he's not a
songwriter? How would he know?
Kip Winger (18:24):
Yeah, I think they, there was a lot of them that
felt like they needed to saysomething because they needed to
justify their position. Yeah,definitely. I mean, look, having
said that back then I was like,you know, I mean, I was like,
You're out of your mind. Right.
I mean, that was just thestupidest thing I've ever heard.
But I've been in situationswhere, uh huh. I wonder if it
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needs, you know, and people havemade suggestions. But I mean, I
have a very close Council ofpeople that I trust, you know,
and I've, I've have had that foryears. And I don't really go
outside of,
Chuck Shute (19:00):
yeah, how did you I want to always want to ask you
this. Because for people whodon't know, you started out
without playing for AliceCooper. And then I heard the
story that you slipped on fakeblood and you hurt your knee.
And so then you got workman'scomp. So that's kind of how you
were able to make the music withwinger, but how did you know
that it was a good move to leaveAlice Cooper and go out and just
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focus 100% on winger, becausethat's a pretty ballsy move at
the time. I mean, there's a lotof people that would kill for
the Alice Cooper gig and you'resaying, I think I could do
better which it turned out to bethe right decision. But how did
you know that was the rightdecision?
Kip Winger (19:35):
I just felt like once a sideman always aside,
man, I it was a greatopportunity. But I felt like
that was such a cushy gig, thatit would be very easy to get
super comfortable and neverjump, you know. And I was my
main thing was writing music. SoI wanted to write and do perform
my own music and that was nevergoing to happen in that camp.
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Having said that, I mean Aliceis the most was generous,
awesome individual ever. And heactually encouraged me to go,
you know, so it was like, youknow, he gave me his full on
blessing. It was really justcame down to just that first and
foremost, I wanted to writesongs and you know, perform my
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own shit. Yeah, I mean, it waslooking back on it, it was like,
Whoa, you know. And by the way,I'd be happy and Alice Cooper's
band now because I wouldn't haveto sing all this stuff. Just
seeing backgrounds, I'd neverlose my voice. And I love the
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Alice Cooper music and justbeing the bass player seems very
appealing at this point. Butyeah, it was. It was it was
real. It was it was scary. Imean, we were like, Okay, let's
see what happens. I mean, youknow, we got turned down by
everybody, man, you know,finally at the very in the final
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hour, we got a deal withAtlantic.
Chuck Shute (21:02):
So you left before you had the deal? Oh, yeah. Wow,
that's really ballsy. Oh, yeah.
Kip Winger (21:08):
Now we left and Reverend, I made a pact to not
take any more outside work. Thatwas the deal. I called Rev. And
I said, look, let's write analbum and get a record deal. So
you don't take any more workbecause read was very popular in
the New York session scene. He'dbeen doing a lot of stuff for
(21:28):
Beau Hill and air reef, Martineand he played on min Chaka Khan
Beegees, Twisted Sister tons.
And I was like, don't take anymore work. And I'm not going to
take any more work. And we'regoing to just sit in this room
and we're going to write analbum and we're going to get a
record deal. It's very naive.
Chuck Shute (21:47):
That's fucking brilliant, though. I love it.
That's that's how you get to bebig is by taking chances like
that, I think.
Kip Winger (21:54):
Yeah, that was a big chance. And like you said that
the workman's comp money wasabout three or 400 a week gave
me enough to survive to throughthat time to get signed.
Chuck Shute (22:04):
Yeah. Well, you mentioned the guest appearances
and things like that sessionwork is so is it true that
because I was looking throughsome of the stuff you've done,
you've done some great sessionwork of your own. Did you really
play on Bob Dylan's album? Ididn't know that.
Kip Winger (22:20):
I played on a track that ended up on a Bob Dylan
album. Yeah. Oh, but
Chuck Shute (22:24):
you didn't like you didn't actually sit down with
him or No, no,
Kip Winger (22:27):
no, no, no, I never.
i i I was lucky to be on thetrack, but I never met Bob.
Chuck Shute (22:41):
Yeah, that would have been cool. Either way.
You're still on there. So it's agood resume builder, right.
Kip Winger (22:47):
It's pretty it looks cool. Yeah, I ain't gonna lie.
But you know, I mean, I've got alot of that kind of stuff. And
you know, I played with a lot ofbig people in rock and with rock
and roll fantasy camp, that Ican go Yeah, I jammed with him
and I jammed with him and Ijammed with him and I jammed
with him. It's not like Iactually was legitimately
(23:10):
playing with those guys though.
Chuck Shute (23:13):
Well, you did legitimately play for Alice
Cooper that's that's a prettygood one too. Right there. So
Kip Winger (23:17):
and Alan Parsons I was Alan Parsons singer for a
year or plus in 2003 or four.
And I serve as the lead singerin his life project for a while.
Chuck Shute (23:31):
That's awesome. Is there anybody that's on your
bucket list that you haven't hada chance to even like jam with
that you'd want to?
Kip Winger (23:38):
I'm not really a jammer. That's the thing. You
know, I'm, I'm, I'm very shy.
I'm a very shy musician. If wejam the blues, okay, you know,
or jam, like, Black Sabbathsongs. Cool, but I'm not one of
those guys, you know, and I gaveup trying to be a good
instrumentalist quite a longtime ago, just in favor of
composing. I do want to do aproject with Andy Timmons at
(24:02):
some point. My all time favoriteguitar players him and Steve
Vai, but I'm in and I'm, I'mgood. I'd like to meet Peter
Gabriel and Paul McCartney andjust shake their hand and thank
them for the inspiration butother than that, I'm alright. I
feel I've done a lot. I'm good.
(24:26):
Yeah.
Chuck Shute (24:27):
Absolutely. Well, new tour new album's coming out
soon, the two singles alreadyout. And then the tour with John
Turabian. Tom Kiefer. So what'sthe setlist going to be like?
Obviously we're going to havethe hits. But is there going to
be how many new songs is theregoing to be any some maybe some
deep cuts from pole or anythinglike that
Kip Winger (24:46):
in the setlist?
Yeah. That's funny that you saythat because I keep telling the
guys you know, we should mix itup and throw in some unexpected
stuff, you know? Yeah. Butusually, like for example, we're
opening On on quite a few ofthese runs, like with timekeeper
and stuff, and we only have timeto get in the hits and a couple
new songs, you know, so if youhave any suggestions, I'm all
(25:07):
ears.
Chuck Shute (25:11):
Yeah, well, I just like books, as you mentioned
that it was I think it's the30th anniversary of poll and the
35th anniversary of the firstalbum. But yeah, Paul to me is
like, that's my favorite. Youknow, like blind revolution mad
or junkyard dog. I think that'dbe kind of
Kip Winger (25:24):
fun. Blind blind revolution, man. I love it.
Yeah. Where are you in Phoenix?
Chuck Shute (25:30):
Yeah, Scottsdale, South Scottsdale.
Kip Winger (25:33):
All right. Well, when we're there, I'll play it.
Chuck Shute (25:35):
Are you coming here? I didn't see it on the are
you going to add date?
Kip Winger (25:38):
I'm sure we'll be there at some point. Yeah.
Chuck Shute (25:40):
Okay. Yeah. I saw you guys when last time came
through with the warrant andSkid Row. That was a fun show at
that Casino. Outdoors. Do youremember that? Phoenix or
Tucson?
Kip Winger (25:52):
No, it
Chuck Shute (25:52):
was it was Phoenix or Scottsdale was a talking
stick. It was at the casino.
Right. Right. Right. Yeah. Iremember that was a good show.
Yeah. Because it was kind ofduring the pandemic, wherever.
So it was outdoors. So I thinkit was safe or whatever. I had a
blast. It was. Yeah, that wasfun. Yeah, that's those three
bands. I mean, it's like it's anice one. You guys. I like the
packages. You know, you cancatch a couple different. John
Turabian. Tom Kiefer are hugefans of both those guys too. So
Kip Winger (26:16):
yeah, me too. Yeah.
Yeah. We toured with Cinderellaback in the day. Great tour.
Great tour.
Chuck Shute (26:22):
Yeah. So and then I saw that you're going to be
doing the meet and greets.
That's like the VIP thing. Isthat do you like doing that? Is
that kind of like a necessaryevil or?
Kip Winger (26:32):
No, no, I like doing it those who like you meet the
true fans doing that? Do youever
Chuck Shute (26:37):
get recognized just like on the street like or in
Nashville or whatever, like,sometimes? Is that is it do you
like that? Or is it kind ofweird?
Kip Winger (26:46):
Oh, I mean, it's just been happening my whole
life. So it's, I don't eventhink about it. It's just is
what it is. You
Chuck Shute (26:53):
just used it. Okay.
Cool. Well, I'm sure you got toget to your next interview. So I
appreciate you taking the timewith this. I always I always
promote a charity at the end oftheir charity that you want to
promote.
Kip Winger (27:05):
That's really interesting. I mean, I donate to
a few but bass in general, mymom this big dog kick from China
where they're where they eatdogs and I can't wrap my head
around that one. So if you findit a legit one for that donate.
Let's not eat our dogs.
Chuck Shute (27:24):
Okay, I'll research that put it in the show notes
along with you know
Kip Winger (27:27):
what, there's there's a place in Phoenix
actually called Rockstar rescuethat does that, that I've
donated to and they're rightthere in your in your area. And
they're really cool peopleRockstar rescue, okay, is an
animal shelter.
Chuck Shute (27:43):
I will put that in the show notes along with the
website and people can gettickets to the show. They can
get preorder the new album, it'sout May 5, and they can get T
shirts. And is there gonna bemore merch? Or is it just
Kip Winger (27:56):
go to go to the website when you're the band.com
there's brand new merch, there's35th anniversary 30th
anniversary, new album, and it'sall up there now. So preorder
the new record. That's whatwe're hoping people will
preorder the record. And there'svinyl. And vinyl has been really
big. I even ordered
Chuck Shute (28:16):
it on myself. Yeah, does the vinyl that always seems
like it takes longer is thatthat's not gonna be ready on May
5 longer.
Kip Winger (28:22):
Yeah, it's gonna be in September.
Chuck Shute (28:24):
Okay, cool. Well, thanks so much. I look forward
to seeing you guys live soon.
Thank you, man. All right. Okay,bye. Well, that was a lot of fun
for me. Great stuff from KipWinger. And again, make sure to
check out the new winger albumseven, which comes out May
5 2023. And you can preorder itnow. Or if you're listening to
this past that date, it'salready out. So make sure to
(28:45):
catch a show. Buy some merch,support the band, follow them on
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great guests lined up that I'mexcited to share with all of
you. Thanks for listening andhave a great day and shoot for
the moon.
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