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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I mean, we're looking
for heart.
We're looking for somethingthat grabs your emotions in a
real way, that you can connectto when you're watching it.
So it's not just about a sport.
You're actually seeing theseindividuals and what their story
is, and so that was a mainthing was following four racers
and following their personaljourney and what this sport does
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to them, what it inspires themto be and how that inspires
other people.
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Hello, welcome back to anotherspecial episode of the
Cinematography for Actorspodcast.
I'm your host, Hayley Royal.
We're at Mammoth Film Festival.
We are back again with EPMichael Schill, EP Jace Cougar.
(01:17):
We're really excited to haveyou guys back today.
And we're extra excited to haveBritton Morris and DJ Kilpatrick
, who are both athletes, writers, directors, producers and the
lead talent for Ice Cross Life,on the Edge.
I just learned that this is asport and they all tried to
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explain it to me and I'mactually love the way you did it
.
So please try again to tell mewhat this is, because it sounds
dangerous and it sounds scary,and I know that you are in
hockey gear.
You have to be fully protectedto do this, and it's on a hill.
Is it icy or is it snowy?
Speaker 4 (01:59):
Oh, it's icy, it is,
it is.
Well, some of the races are icy, some of them are.
Depending on weather, can be alittle snowy, but for the most
part it's a track made of iceand it's downhill and there's
different features and jumps andthings like that, and you're
wearing hockey gear.
To an extent, a lot of peoplemodify it and stuff, right, and
yeah, you just race againstthree other athletes downhill,
four guys going to war andthere's a lot of carnage.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
So this is dangerous
for you guys who are choosing to
do this.
But then how are you shootingthis so that now we can watch it
in Ice Cross Life on the Edge?
Speaker 5 (02:31):
Well, we had four
guys running all over the track
at all times.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Running all over the
track In skates On the icy track
.
No, no, no.
Speaker 5 (02:40):
Running down the ski
hill and up the ski hill to get
different shots.
We didn't have a huge crew withthis, it was a bare bones crew.
Okay, so our guys were doingthe best they could do and cover
as many sections of the trackas they could, but it was a
challenge, no doubt about it.
But we're right next to thetrack and sometimes standing on
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the track where it is notrecommended to skate.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
Sometimes in the
middle of the track, middle of
the finish line, dj's standingthere with the camera and people
are just ripping by him.
I'm like are you supposed to bestanding?
Speaker 1 (03:12):
there right now Are
you?
Speaker 4 (03:12):
supposed to be
standing in the middle of the
track while we're racing.
You just get kind of… yeah youjust get the shot.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Anything for the shot
, that's right.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
Yeah, okay.
So what were you shooting on?
Do you guys know we had?
Speaker 5 (03:29):
a uh, we had a red,
we had uh two sonys and I don't
know what.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
A bunch of gopros, a
whole lot of gopros and some
drones.
Speaker 4 (03:32):
Yeah, honestly,
sometimes gopros the way to go I
think we had some insta 360shots or gopro 360 shots some
beautiful drone shots.
Yeah, yes, yeah, the drone shotsokay, this guy right here was
the proponent for all the droneshots.
We would be like so cold andmiserable and he would be like,
all right, we got to get outsideand get another drone shot and
our, our videographers were likewe've already gotten this drone
shot and he's like, Nope, thissets the scene, sets the mood
(03:54):
here.
We got to do it again and itturned out to be one of the most
important shots throughout theentire film.
It just it sets the scene forit.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Yeah, it sets the
scene for it.
Yeah, okay.
So, and then, dj, you are doingvoiceover, narrating.
You're telling the story.
When does this process happen?
Is it after everything shot oryou're doing it during?
When are you finding time forthis?
Speaker 5 (04:15):
yeah, yeah, that's a
good question.
Time was not on our side so whenthe editor was editing the, the
doc, and we were writing outthe script on what you know was
going to be said and what I wasgoing to say, I basically just
filmed myself on a cell phone,sent it to him and I was like do
what you can with this, okay.
And then he, we, we got it downto like a final version, a
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locked version of what I wasactually going to say, and then
we got myself in a studio andrecorded it there.
Okay.
Speaker 4 (04:46):
Because we didn't
know what the story was going to
be, because it's all real, sowe filmed the entire thing and
then we're like, okay, we haveto find the storyline in this,
and then everything that hetalks about is like connecting
the storyline together andeverything that he talks about
is like connecting the storylinetogether.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
And that's kind of
how we came in, because you know
, I met Britton through DJ andDJ I brought him on as a
producer on one short we did andhe like caught the bug and was
like I want to do this.
And so what we did in thebeginning was help kind of shape
a narrative with these guys andlike make sure to be aware of
this, all these things are goingto be happening.
You're out there shooting a doc, you're meeting people, you're
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getting these interviews.
So they just to be aware ofthese things, to make sure to
get it to find an opportunityfor this story.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
Yeah, what are you
looking for when you see all of
this footage and you have?
What are you looking for to beable to shape a?
Speaker 1 (05:32):
narrative.
I mean, we're looking for heartand we're looking for something
that grabs your emotions in areal way, that you can connect
to when you're watching it.
So it's not just about a sport.
You're actually seeing theseindividuals and what their story
is, and so that was a mainthing was following four racers
and following their personaljourney and what this sport does
(05:54):
to them, what it inspires themto be and how that inspires
other people.
And that's kind of why thismovie is very special is because
you get to know these four guysand then you get to know kind
of him as he's narrating too,and it's just really cool.
Speaker 5 (06:10):
Yeah, yeah, I think
everybody has a story and it's
the interviewer's job to pullthat story out.
So be very curious, ask all thequestions that you can, and
then how can you relate thatstory to the audience?
How can you relate that storyto everybody else?
So that's what we tried to do.
Speaker 4 (06:30):
Yeah, and he found
his calling as an interviewer.
I mean, I think one of ourathletes referred to him as
Barbara.
Walters afterwards.
It was very impressive.
I didn't expect anything less,but it was truly found his
calling with this.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
Do you think you're
going to move forward with a
career in interviewing?
Speaker 5 (06:45):
Yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 5 (07:08):
The doors for Ice
Cross are just beginning to open
, so the sky's the limit withthis sport.
Not just the documentary.
This documentary was just thebeginning.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
You guys think you're
going to try any ice cross.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
I mean, yeah, I want
to go do it.
I'm not that great of a skater,but I'm afraid you want to go
on an ice skate.
Speaker 7 (07:32):
No, I'm afraid that
I'm going to beat all these guys
.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
He's my business
partner.
I don't want him to go do itbecause I don't want to be
embarrassed.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
The confidence that
Michael has is something and
Chase as well that at the verybeginning we had never actually
met Michael, and one of thefirst meetings that we had we
jumped on a Zoom call and theywere basically like there's
going to be a whole lot of timeswhen you do not know what the
fuck you're doing.
But if you have the confidenceand you believe that you're
doing something with purpose,then it's going to turn out how
(08:02):
you want it and we kept that thewhole way and I mean they were
crucial in this.
I mean we were the ones thatwere traveling in there for the
whole shoot.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Yeah, they were doing
it all yeah.
Speaker 7 (08:12):
I mean, they did 99%
of the work Really.
They did 99% of the work Really.
Okay, but we were instrumentalbecause what we did we came on
as EPs but also as storyconsultants, so it was our job
to help them build a reallysolid foundation.
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But they had to build the house.
Okay, they had to do the roughcarpentry and the electrical and
and the drywall and and and theSpanish tiles and everything.
But it's a wonderful thing thatthey built because of of
starting with something solid.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
Yeah, yeah, without
that foundation, the whole thing
would have crumbled for sure.
Speaker 5 (08:49):
Cause we didn't know
what we were doing.
This, that foundation, thewhole thing would have crumbled
for sure, because we didn't knowwhat we were doing.
This was our first first film,uh, a passion project to help a
sport survive.
It was kind of on the brink ofextinction and uh, so we, we
took the reins there and andsaid you know what it's, it's
more than a film.
If we can make something great,let's do it, but let's do our
best, keep this sport alive wasthis the idea from the get-go?
Speaker 3 (09:12):
or were you just
getting footage because it was
cool and you were hoping, or didyou know from the beginning you
wanted to build a documentarywith a story, with a heart that
would influence people.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
Yes, yeah, from the
beginning of when we came,
actually it was DJ living withChase for a bit and they were
actually working on Tracing theDivide and we had shot some
things around ice cross and donesome like vlog style stuff and
we had done uh some likeepisodic youtube type stuff and
just anything to promote thesport and things like that.
And and yeah, chase was uhworking on tracing divide with
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with michael and and dj saw andhe was like well, I got
something for you.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Yeah, he showed him
ice cross.
Well, wait, we can do this forthat.
And he told me about it and Iwas like, sweet, let's set you
guys up like with just anoutline of how to approach this.
And they're probably lookingback on it like that sounded
easy, it's not like at any point.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
We thought it's not
easy, I think it was a lot of uh
, of blind confidence, of like,like, we can do this which you
have to have.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Yeah, that's the only
way to be a filmmaker is like
to have that blind confidence.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
But yeah, your team
and and really, uh, just just
being a part, like beinginvolved and being present in
the journey, and not so muchworrying about, like the moment
we're at.
Now we're like, okay, thefilm's done.
It still doesn't even feel realto me that it's done, so it's
like we're just taking it day byday and enjoying the process
and, um, and that's the way tolive life, that's the way to to
do something like this they gotto experience what the process
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of post is that, that, yeah,that, that part maybe we
understand a little bit and our,our editor, just a little bit
our, our editor was, uh,unbelievable.
He's one of theographers as well, lucas and um, he's in the
czech republic, so the the timeswere a little bit weird for us,
so we weren't getting a ton ofsleep during it but yeah, but he
was incredible.
I mean, everyone involved withthe film was incredible and, uh,
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everyone in the sport helpedout so much and people outside
of the sport and the supportthat we got was.
I think that was one of the mostsurprising things when we our
first uh, our first weekend on,uh, traveling and filming for
for the first race, people werelike what the hell y'all doing?
We have cameras everywhere,we're filming everything.
And some of the other athletesare like, what is this?
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And then, like two or threedays in, they were like, oh,
here we go, like you guys aredoing something cool here, and
then they all wanted to be apart of it and by the end people
were like how can I be in thefilm, how can I support?
And they were letting me on thetrack.
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
And then, yeah,
exactly, and you're going to
save their hobby, so you'reheroes now.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Congratulations, guys
.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
We have to wrap this
up Sadly.
We'd love to do this for anhour.
Thank you so much for sittingwith us.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
Ice cross.
Keep the very dangerous sportalive.
Speaker 6 (11:51):
Yeah, Thanks very
much guys, thanks for having me
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