January 28, 2023 • 34 mins
In the second half of the show, we discuss the response from the Florida Board of Education / Ron DeSantis after examining a potential AP course on Black history in the United States. Their response stating that the course “lacks educational value” provoked a strong reaction from Black people, educators, and us too.
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Does indeed stick around? We still got a lot more
show in stow for you. We're gonna be talking about
the U Order Department of Education be ashamed of them,
So we're gonna be talking about that they in short,
I don't think that, uh, the education of African American
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studies has any educational value, and so we're gonna break
that down. And we're also going to be spending some
time talking about a gentleman by the name of Bo
Diddley for our way Black history fact. For those of
you who are are fans of rock and roll music
or blues or any of that sort of stuff, we're
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going to show you the black origins of certainly rock
and roll. I'm sure that you can actually tell about
the blues. But before we get there, let's talk about
becoming a better ally. Baba Baba. So today's b a
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comes from Black Enterprise and the headline reads. One of
the nation's largest mutual fund companies, Fidelity Investments, is pledging
two hundred and fifty million dollars to help as many
as fifty thousand Black, Latin X, and historically underserved students
go to college. So the Boston based firm is making
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the commitment via a fresh social impact initiative, Impact on
All Left My Team initiative, known as invest in My
Education for over the next five years, will include providing
students with scholarships and mentorships. It will focus on boosting
college graduation rates, helping students finish school with no debt,
and providing assistance and obtaining well paying jobs after college.
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The support is truly needed. Fidelity disclosed that just twenty
one percent of Black students who start college graduate within
four years versus forty five percent of white students. Moreover,
the company revealed that black and Latin X students accumulate
twenty five thousand more in student debt than their white peers.
To help combat some of the disparity, Fidelity is joining
with United Negro College Fund, which calls itself the nation
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student's largest and most effective education organization. With the gift,
UNCF revealed it has gained the largest philanthropic corporate gift
in its seventy eight year history from Bidelli Investments to
launch the Fidelity Scholars Program. The UNCF reported Fidelity is
donating one hundred and ninety million to UNCF as part
of the company's two hundred and fifty million dollars initiative.
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And I think that this is very important because education
is often seen as elitist, and this is kind of
leveling the playing field and getting some more folks out there.
So we applaud that that absolutely is an example of
becoming a better ally. So shout out to Fidelity Investments. Now,
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from a bright moment in education to a a little
bit darker moment, Florida Department of Education has declined to
include an African American African sorry Advanced Placement African American
Studies course proposed by the College Board in schools. This
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article comes from binnews dot com and before we get
into it, what are your early thoughts or what were
your early thoughts when you first heard about this and
the why.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
You and I have discussed the very very rapid and
dramatic temperature change in overt racism post the election of
our former president, and I saw hundreds of thousands, millions
of black people arguing for overt racism's place in today's culture,
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in today's ecosystem, as something they preferred. I like it
for our racist to wear it on their chests and
say it with their chests and let us know how
they really feel. And I've always pushed back on that
right because the actual outcomes matter more than the performative part.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Right.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
So if being ashamed of being racist means you treat
my children nicer just so people will think you're not racist,
then I prefer that I don't need to know your
true colors. If the world I live in is better
because you're faking it, I don't live with you. I'm
not in your home, so you're allowed to keep those private, dangerous,
bigoted thoughts to yourself with everyone now wearing it more
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on their chest. I think I spoke to you off
air about the idea that there are a lot of
people who part of their not just social identity, but
professional identity, is that they're decent. So to protect their pocketbooks,
they got to pretend to be decent people, or at
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least they used to, because something like this would have
never been something that we even considered having to cover
in news, because those people would have understood how flagrantly
and overtly racist it would be to say what they said,
to say what they said, and to have something like
this make the news, they be too embarrassed. Nobody's embarrassed anymore.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
They're standing on it.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
They're standing again and stand to lose nothing because their
supporters now feel more inclined and more emboldened to support
these types loud views and express these types views out loud.
This governor in a state that is extremely diverse can
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come out and with a straight face tell people that
there is no scholastic or educational value in African American study,
that's the most hurtful thing, and have a whole governing
body stand behind in him and support it. And I'd
be willing to bet that there were minorities involved in
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this decision. I'd be willing to bet that blindly, you know, I.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
If I were to accept that, it would be very
easy because, as we've seen in the first part, of
the show when we were talking about the five officers
that ended the life of I think his name is
Tyree Nichols. They were all black. All five of those
officers ended that black child's life. Six black people involved.
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So absolutely I could totally see this board, you know,
parroting these what we believe to be white supremacist sentiments
and really espousing these ideals. And again, I think that
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the thing that's so hurtful about this is that they
say it has no educational value. That part is really hurtful.
So again I mentioned that I had a conversation, a
very meaningful conversation earlier in the week with a person
that I feel deserves way more of a stage than
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he already has, and he's got a huge stage, Anthony Browner.
Once upon a time at our old station where we
Q and I used to work, I'd go into the
the program director's office. I was a music director, So
I'd go in the office at the end of the
day and I would program the logs for the next day.
(08:08):
I was a music director, meaning that I basically scheduled
the order in which the songs played. Surprise supplies. You know,
they don't take your requests oh, I shouldn't say that anyway.
Some Yeah, sometimes sometimes you can get a request in,
but for the most part, it's predetermined anyway. So I
would go in there and I'd spend some time, put
a lot of thought into this, and it would take
(08:29):
some time, and I would listen to these lectures. I
would listen to these people, these great thinkers, these really
educated folks, Anthony Browner being one of them. And I
realized that I was either not educated or miseducated. I
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was given an alternative version of reality. In fact, I
still know things that aren't entirely true. And I learned
that in my conversation recently with it. And so I
personally began to appreciate the value of a full education,
an education that included African history as human history, as
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world history, an education that included African American history as
American history. Right, because it's it's crazy. How do you
tell the story of the United States. Well, we were
being oppressed by you know, the King of England. You know,
they were taxing us and not we didn't have any representation,
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and then we did the Boston Tea Party, and then
you know the the you know, you know the story you.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Know, lack of religious freedom, et cetera.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Yeah, and this is you know, a lot of a
lot of things go into this. So basically, we're trying
as a country, or as we started off as a
series of colonies, but we were trying to gain our independence, right, U,
gain some autonomy, be self determined. And you know, this
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fighting spirit is indeed written into the story of this country,
right but when you break it down a little further,
for black people, that wasn't true. And we're still trying
to make it true day and day after day, year
after year, decade after decade. We're still inching forward. Would
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love to feel as free as that rich white man
that we always talk about seems to be.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
It is. You couldn't see it. But as you were
saying that, I just got chills. And the reason why,
as I've been trying to figure out how to say
something for as long as we've been doing this show,
and really for as long as I've been having these thoughts,
and I think you just helped me get there. I
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do not think there is a more determined people to
be a part of this country's history and what it celebrates.
In black people, we really, really, really really really are
proud Americans, like insanely so, considering our history with this
country and everything that stands for and everything that it
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was built on. But we are the single most determined people,
I think, in the history of the world to subscribe
to the teachings and beliefs of a country that has essentially,
for most of its history not just undervalued and underappreciated us,
but abused us. And we somehow still really, really, really
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want to be proud Americans. We do not want to
seek our revenge, We do not want to overthrow the place.
We just want to like all those words that you
guys didn't mean about us when you were writing Constitution,
when you were writing the villain Rights, when you were
writing the Pledge of Allegiance, when you were writing all
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these beautiful things that we sing and memorize and recite.
Even though we now realize you were not talking about us,
we still hope one day we're going to wake up
and you guys are gonna be like, Okay, you guys too, Yeah,
that's it, that's it. Yeah, that's funny that you said that.
That is a really that's a pretty low bar. It's
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both awesome and so crushingly different. Yeah, and I didn't
mean to cut you off. I'm saying that. I'm just like.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Wow, man, like well, I think that that that makes
the point, because you know, their worry has historically been
with the whole conversation about CRT or really American history
and whether or not that should be taught in classrooms there.
Their whole conversation has been about it, let's be honest,
centering the feelings of white children and the expense of
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everyone else, of white children's parents.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Ooh, that way they say, it's about the children, It's
about their parents who have to answer those questions and
speak to those feelings that their intelligent children will have
when they hear those stories. Sure, they're not going to
assume culpability and feel guilty themselves. They're gonna feel hurt,
They're gonna want questions to answer it. They're gonna feel empathy,
and they're gonna have to teach that out of them,
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and they don't want that. I think the word they
use is indoctrinated. They think that these teachers will doctrinate
their their children to want to rise up and be
good people. Yes, but that's not the words of activist
good people. They don't want their children to become activist rooms.
That's funny. Well, I think that, uh, you know again
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that that kind of proves the point. And you know,
if you educate people, young people, especially about African American history,
black history in this country, and indeed African history by itself,
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and you teach it all the way thoroughly up to
present day, then what you're teaching the students is, well,
these black people, these African and African American people, have
an incredible resolve.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
They're very diligent. They have been through a lot and
have not organized to rise up, you know, in mass
you know, and if that were something that were to happen,
nobody could really blame them. And yet that's not what
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they want. They're just simply seeking to be counted. They're
seeking to have a fair go of things. Why is
my neighbor's house three hundred thousand dollars more than mine
and it's the same house. I'm black and I live
here and my neighbor's not black, And if I change
the family portrait in my house, then all of a sudden,
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the value of my house goes up three hundred thousand dollars.
Why is it the black real estate agents make less.
And we're just talking about one tiny, teeny tiny facet.
Why is black wealth? Why we're talking about education outcomes?
Why is education? You know what I mean? And you can't,
And it's there's so many people that will just accept
the way the world is because A it doesn't affect them,
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or B they don't know any better. But you know,
I think that a comforting thought for folks is well,
that's just how it is. You know, some people are
better at this, some people are better at that. And
that's a falsehood because what I often do is compare
black outcomes across the Atlantic. So are the outcomes for
African Americans the same as the outcomes for Africans? And
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if so, they you know, Okay, your point is well made,
But often enough the outcomes are not the same. And
so what's the difference. Well, these are African Americans and
these are Africans, so the American part must be the difference.
So what's going on with the American part that's making
the African Americans suffer more than the African counterparts? Granted,
Africa is not in the best shape, but there's different
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ailments in African.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Countries.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
There's the legacy of colonialism, there's you know, the theft
and theft really in mass and then bad deals and
people not honoring and then all kinds of government manipulation,
British government manipulation that you know, destabilizes the country. And
then you have left with the continent that looks the
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way it looks now. But you know how the prison
populations look. You know what I mean, You see what
I'm saying. So history is very, very important because it
gives you a framework to understand the world a little
bit better. Now, I didn't read this article yet, and
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I do need to read it just to you know,
preserve some journalistic integrity here, So I'll start. According to
w E s H two News, the FDOE said in
a letter to College Board that it would not approve
including ap African American studies into the Florida Course Code
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directory and instructional personnel assignments because quote, the content of
this course is inexplicably, inexplicably contrary to Florida law. That
would have been enough. It wouldn't have been enough. But okay,
but here's where the knife gets twisted and significantly lacks
educational value. Okay, that's the hurtful part. So my history
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lacks educational value. And mind you, this is an.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
AP course and it's contrary to the law.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Yeah, and I get that. That's you know, you fight
some battles, you lose some battles. What are you going
to do? Right, But then to go ahead and insult
the educational value of our history is a slap in
the face. You know. As a matter of fact, our
way black history facts should have been about that that
beach in Florida where only blacks could that was the
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only beach in Florida where black people could go and swim.
In fact, I'll do that, and that'll show you just
how racist Florida has been in the past. And this
obviously shows that Florida is still, at least in these
pockets of power, tenuous power, how racist it still can be.
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And I was making a point. This is an AP course,
so those for those familiar, AP is not kindergarten, it's
not first grade, it's not second grade. AP is advanced placement,
I believe is the is what it's abbreviated for. I
I took AP courses in high school. It was a
long time ago, but all right, I'll finish reading or
I'll continue reading rather. The AP African American Studies course
was limited this academic year in sixty schools across the nation.
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Per the College Board website, the course intends to introduce
high school students to African American studies and includes a
curriculum that covers literature, geography, and more. Here's a quote.
Drawing from expertise and experience of college faculty and teachers
across the country, the course is designed to offer high
school students an evidence based introduction to African American studies.
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The description of the course reads, per College Board quote,
the interdisciplinary course reaches into a variety of fields literature,
the arts and humanities, political science, geography, and more science
to explore the vital contributions and experiences of African Americans.
During the twenty twenty three twenty four academic school year,
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the pilot is expected to be implemented in hundreds of
schools before all institutions can start offering the course in
twenty twenty four to twenty five. The first AP exams
are set to be administered in the spring of twenty
twe twenty five, following the FDE blocking the African American
Studies course. College Board issued the following statement quote, Like
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all new AP courses, AP African American Studies is undergoing
a rigorous multi year pilot phase, collecting feedback from teachers, students, scholars,
and policymakers. The process of piloting and revising course frameworks
is standard part of any new AP course, and frameworks
changed significantly as a result. We look forward to publicly
releasing the updated course framework as soon as it is
completed and well before this class is widely available in
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American high schools. In its letter to college Board, the
FDOE wrote, in the future, should College Board be willing
to come back to the table with lawful, historically accurate content,
FDOE will always be willing to reopen the discussion. Okay, So, basically,
they spent years with some of the most prominent educators
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in this country developing in this curriculum, They piloted it
to see if it were works, and then when they
took it to Florida, Florida says it lacks significant education
or sorry, significantly lacks educational value, and then later says
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that the content was historically inaccurate. In other words, if
you come back to the table with lawful, historically accurate
content will resume the conversation, so that lets me.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Know they and still ultimately till you know, yes and
we're empowered to do so.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Right, they're going to make it wrong even if it's not.
They already did that. And I think your point that
you made was they're doing this right in front of
everyone's face, not even hiding the fact, and they're adding
insult to injury. It's like they're mocking us. How dare
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you say?
Speaker 1 (21:54):
And singularly because other ap history classes from other cultures,
other backgrounds, other migrant cultures that came over to this league,
talk to them. Those are historical, listory and lawful.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
I did a talk about this again on the Black
Information Network Daily podcast where I discussed the Holocaust. So
m hmm, let's talk about this tragedy is a tragedy.
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I want to make sure that I say that I
do believe that children should know about the Holocaust. I
believe everybody should know about the Holocaust. It is an
awful thing that happened, and we need to continue to
learn from it so that we know how to be
the best brothers and sisters to our Jewish brothers and
sisters as we can possibly be A and B. We
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need to know about it so we know how to
observe the uh makes of a similar event phenomenon taking
place in the future, so that we can prevent it
from you know, prevent the systematic extermination of human beings
for their religious beliefs. Right, it's necessary. It has significant
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educational value. Right, I believe this, Right, so does the
Florida Department of Education.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
Right.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Six million. Now, again, I'm not an atrocity is an atrocity,
and I'm not trying to compare other than to say
that while that counts in my view and their view
as significantly having educational value. Also, when you take into
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account the amount of slaves that die just in the
Middle Passage, I think that was somewhere in the neighborhood
of eighty million, eighty eighty five million, something like that.
If that number may not be right, but it's certainly
more than six million, right, And so that too belongs here,
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And if that were the only thing, that would be it.
But obviously the rabbit hole goes much deeper. But now
it's time for the way Black history facts. So let's
move it on. Today's Way. Black History Fact is sponsored
by the Black Information Network Daily Podcast and today we
are pulling from two sources, so we be Rollingstone dot com.
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Shout out to Rolling Stone, they did a nice article
on us and Blackpast dot org and we are talking
about Bo Diddley. Sorry, I had a moment shout out
to Rolling Stone because they did an article on us.
That's actually shout out. They did do an article on
this show.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
Yeah, that's that's that's special.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
That's an impossible thing to say out loud, and it'll
be true. Man, we're doing something special apparently, all right.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Boxer and singer Bo Didley, whose birth name was Ellis
Bates McDaniel, was born on December thirtieth, nineteen twenty eight,
in McComb, Mississippi. He was adopted by his mother's cousin.
When the mother's husband died in the mid nineteen thirties,
McDaniel moved her family to Chicago, where young Ellis took
violin lessons from Professor ol W. Frederick at the Ebenezer
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Missionary Baptist Church. He studied violin for twelve years and
composed two concertos or concertos. I never know how to
say that word. In nineteen forty, his sister bought McDaniel
and acoustic guitar for Christmas. He soon started to play
the guitar, largely duplicating his actions on the violin. Soon afterwards,
he formed his first group of three, named the Hipsters
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and later known as the Langley Avenue Jive Cats. I
Love That. It was during this time that the band
leaders gave him the nickname Bo Diddley. Didley recorded his
first single, Bo did Lee Slash I Am a Man
on March second, nineteen fifty five, on Checkers Records. It
topped the R and B chart for two weeks. Soon afterward,
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Didley began to tour, performing in schools, colleges, and churches
across the United States. Regardless of the venue, he taught
people the importance of respect and education and all the
dangers of drugs and gang culture. For a young black
singer and guitarist from Chicago with only a minor hit,
getting booked on the Ed Sullivan Show in nineteen fifty
five was a career making opportunity. Sullivan asked him to
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sing Tennessee Eerie Ford's country smash sixteen Tons. Instead, The
young star unleashed the guitar Maelstrom that introduced him to
the world and whose title bore his name, Bo Didley.
The audience went wild, and Sullivan fumed, promising that Diddley
would never appear on television again. Later, Didley recalled the
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aftermath quote he says to me, you're the first colored
boy ever double crossed me on a song unquote. And
I started to hit dude because I was a young
hoodlum out of Chicago and thought colored boy was an insult. Hey, man,
you're right about that. Colored boy is an insult, all right.
Idley was pure masculinity, with songs that shouted his name
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and proclaimed his skills with a cigar box shaped guitar
he designed himself, a stetson on his head, and a
sound that permanently reoriented the world's senses of rhythm. Bo
Diddley called himself the Originator, and when he died at
age seventy nine on June second from heart Sorry that
would have been two thousand and eight, from heart failure
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in his home in Archer, Florida, music lost a one
of a kind pioneer. Bo Diddley was known for many
new musical styles and innovations. He was one of the
first musicians of the nineteen fifties to incorporate women musicians,
including Lady Bo. He hired a full time to play
all of his stage performances, whereupon she became the first
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female lead guitarist in history to be employed by a
major act. Also, the usage of special effects like reverb
and his manipulations of the guitar made him a groundbreaking musician.
Didley hopped and strutted around stage while playing his guitar,
over his head, with his teeth, and even between his legs.
In that regard, he influenced numerous rock musicians from the
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nineteen sixties on, and in nineteen eighty six, Vau Didley
was inducted into the Washington Area Music Association's Hall of Fame.
Then in the following year, he was inducted into the
Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in Cleveland. In nineteen
ninety six, Didley received the Lifetime Achievement Award from the
Rhythm and Blues Foundation in Los Angeles, while the following
year his nineteen fifty five debut record of his song
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Bo Didley was inducted into the Grammy Hall of Fame
as a recording of Lasting qualitative or historical significance. Also
in nineteen ninety six, he received a Lifetime Achievement Award
at the Grammy Awards ceremony. In two thousand, Didley was
inducted into the Mississippi Museum Musicians Hall of Fame as
well as the North Florida Music Association's Hall of Fame.
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And in seven Didley went to Mississippi to receive the
Governor's Award for Excellence in Arts for Lifetime Achievement, which
is the state's highest arts honor. Let's see, and he
was married four times, and he was survived by his
five children, fifteen grandchildren, and fifteen great grandchildren and three
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great great grandchildren. And I love this story because and
the reason that I was kind of prime for the
story is because I saw a clip on social media
as a video of Ray Charles, right, and Ray Charles
was getting interviewed. My older sister actually posted this, So
shout out to my sister Trudy, and that's your screen
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name if you want to follow her. It's true underscore D. Anyway,
so this video, a journalist isn't excuse me interviewing Ray Charles,
and he says something like, you know, Elvis is really good, right,
Elvis is really good?
Speaker 4 (29:58):
And Ray Charles goes, oh, okay, okay, and the journalist says, whoa, okay, well,
you know, you tell me what are your thoughts on Elvis?
Speaker 2 (30:10):
And he says, well, Elvis is you know, let's be honest.
And then effectively, what he says is that Elvis copied
black music, copied black dance styles, singing styles, you know,
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guitar styles, etc. And just repackaged it for a white audience.
And that's why he was successful. But that didn't make
him good. It's not just to say that he was bad,
but there were certainly a lot of people who were
better performers, musicians, singers, et cetera. And so for Elvis
to be celebrated in that way, Ray Charles just couldn't
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really see it, and he was almost insulted. In fact,
I think he was insulted to be having to have
this conversation about Elvis Presley when he's Ray Charles, right,
and from his perspective, you get, it didn't seem like arrogance.
It seemed like, well, shoot, I never thought of that.
You're absolutely right, you know, we you know who didn't
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grow up in that time, we look at it like, oh, yeah, Elvis,
he's like one of the greats, Sure, why not, right,
But the way he tells it, it's like, oh, shoot,
he's right, right. And so having that sort of as
the backdrop for you know, this Bo Diddley story, I
realized that, you know, it's up to us to make
those connections, those decidedly black connections to rock and roll,
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to everything that was black, because you know, we need
to give credit where credit is due. We need to
highlight our contributions to this country in entertainment and in
every other space because they're often overlooked, and we need
to make sure that we celebrate our heroes. And so
Bo Diddley was the name of the day, and that,
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ladies and gentlemen, is your way Black history.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
Fact. That's incredible, nice and neat right. Yeah, I got
to learn about Bo Diddley as a kid because Bo
Jackson a very prominent and famous athlete. Part of his
marketing campaign through Nike was you don't know Bo, and
then Bo Diddley said, BO don't know Diddley. So it
was a really good play on words in a way
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studies has any educational value, and so we're gonna break
that down. And we're also going to be spending some
time talking about a gentleman by the name of Bo
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And I think that this is very important because education
is often seen as elitist, and this is kind of
leveling the playing field and getting some more folks out there.
So we applaud that that absolutely is an example of
becoming a better ally. So shout out to Fidelity Investments. Now,
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from a bright moment in education to a a little
bit darker moment, Florida Department of Education has declined to
include an African American African sorry Advanced Placement African American
Studies course proposed by the College Board in schools. This
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article comes from binnews dot com and before we get
into it, what are your early thoughts or what were
your early thoughts when you first heard about this and
the why.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
You and I have discussed the very very rapid and
dramatic temperature change in overt racism post the election of
our former president, and I saw hundreds of thousands, millions
of black people arguing for overt racism's place in today's culture,
(04:17):
in today's ecosystem, as something they preferred. I like it
for our racist to wear it on their chests and
say it with their chests and let us know how
they really feel. And I've always pushed back on that
right because the actual outcomes matter more than the performative part.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Right.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
So if being ashamed of being racist means you treat
my children nicer just so people will think you're not racist,
then I prefer that I don't need to know your
true colors. If the world I live in is better
because you're faking it, I don't live with you. I'm
not in your home, so you're allowed to keep those private, dangerous,
bigoted thoughts to yourself with everyone now wearing it more
(05:01):
on their chest. I think I spoke to you off
air about the idea that there are a lot of
people who part of their not just social identity, but
professional identity, is that they're decent. So to protect their pocketbooks,
they got to pretend to be decent people, or at
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least they used to, because something like this would have
never been something that we even considered having to cover
in news, because those people would have understood how flagrantly
and overtly racist it would be to say what they said,
to say what they said, and to have something like
this make the news, they be too embarrassed. Nobody's embarrassed anymore.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
They're standing on it.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
They're standing again and stand to lose nothing because their
supporters now feel more inclined and more emboldened to support
these types loud views and express these types views out loud.
This governor in a state that is extremely diverse can
(06:09):
come out and with a straight face tell people that
there is no scholastic or educational value in African American study,
that's the most hurtful thing, and have a whole governing
body stand behind in him and support it. And I'd
be willing to bet that there were minorities involved in
(06:30):
this decision. I'd be willing to bet that blindly, you know, I.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
If I were to accept that, it would be very
easy because, as we've seen in the first part, of
the show when we were talking about the five officers
that ended the life of I think his name is
Tyree Nichols. They were all black. All five of those
officers ended that black child's life. Six black people involved.
(07:01):
So absolutely I could totally see this board, you know,
parroting these what we believe to be white supremacist sentiments
and really espousing these ideals. And again, I think that
(07:23):
the thing that's so hurtful about this is that they
say it has no educational value. That part is really hurtful.
So again I mentioned that I had a conversation, a
very meaningful conversation earlier in the week with a person
that I feel deserves way more of a stage than
(07:46):
he already has, and he's got a huge stage, Anthony Browner.
Once upon a time at our old station where we
Q and I used to work, I'd go into the
the program director's office. I was a music director, So
I'd go in the office at the end of the
day and I would program the logs for the next day.
(08:08):
I was a music director, meaning that I basically scheduled
the order in which the songs played. Surprise supplies. You know,
they don't take your requests oh, I shouldn't say that anyway.
Some Yeah, sometimes sometimes you can get a request in,
but for the most part, it's predetermined anyway. So I
would go in there and I'd spend some time, put
a lot of thought into this, and it would take
(08:29):
some time, and I would listen to these lectures. I
would listen to these people, these great thinkers, these really
educated folks, Anthony Browner being one of them. And I
realized that I was either not educated or miseducated. I
(08:49):
was given an alternative version of reality. In fact, I
still know things that aren't entirely true. And I learned
that in my conversation recently with it. And so I
personally began to appreciate the value of a full education,
an education that included African history as human history, as
(09:13):
world history, an education that included African American history as
American history. Right, because it's it's crazy. How do you
tell the story of the United States. Well, we were
being oppressed by you know, the King of England. You know,
they were taxing us and not we didn't have any representation,
(09:36):
and then we did the Boston Tea Party, and then
you know the the you know, you know the story you.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Know, lack of religious freedom, et cetera.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Yeah, and this is you know, a lot of a
lot of things go into this. So basically, we're trying
as a country, or as we started off as a
series of colonies, but we were trying to gain our independence, right, U,
gain some autonomy, be self determined. And you know, this
(10:05):
fighting spirit is indeed written into the story of this country,
right but when you break it down a little further,
for black people, that wasn't true. And we're still trying
to make it true day and day after day, year
after year, decade after decade. We're still inching forward. Would
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love to feel as free as that rich white man
that we always talk about seems to be.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
It is. You couldn't see it. But as you were
saying that, I just got chills. And the reason why,
as I've been trying to figure out how to say
something for as long as we've been doing this show,
and really for as long as I've been having these thoughts,
and I think you just helped me get there. I
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do not think there is a more determined people to
be a part of this country's history and what it celebrates.
In black people, we really, really, really really really are
proud Americans, like insanely so, considering our history with this
country and everything that stands for and everything that it
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was built on. But we are the single most determined people,
I think, in the history of the world to subscribe
to the teachings and beliefs of a country that has essentially,
for most of its history not just undervalued and underappreciated us,
but abused us. And we somehow still really, really, really
(11:44):
want to be proud Americans. We do not want to
seek our revenge, We do not want to overthrow the place.
We just want to like all those words that you
guys didn't mean about us when you were writing Constitution,
when you were writing the villain Rights, when you were
writing the Pledge of Allegiance, when you were writing all
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these beautiful things that we sing and memorize and recite.
Even though we now realize you were not talking about us,
we still hope one day we're going to wake up
and you guys are gonna be like, Okay, you guys too, Yeah,
that's it, that's it. Yeah, that's funny that you said that.
That is a really that's a pretty low bar. It's
(12:26):
both awesome and so crushingly different. Yeah, and I didn't
mean to cut you off. I'm saying that. I'm just like.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Wow, man, like well, I think that that that makes
the point, because you know, their worry has historically been
with the whole conversation about CRT or really American history
and whether or not that should be taught in classrooms there.
Their whole conversation has been about it, let's be honest,
centering the feelings of white children and the expense of
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everyone else, of white children's parents.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Ooh, that way they say, it's about the children, It's
about their parents who have to answer those questions and
speak to those feelings that their intelligent children will have
when they hear those stories. Sure, they're not going to
assume culpability and feel guilty themselves. They're gonna feel hurt,
They're gonna want questions to answer it. They're gonna feel empathy,
and they're gonna have to teach that out of them,
(13:25):
and they don't want that. I think the word they
use is indoctrinated. They think that these teachers will doctrinate
their their children to want to rise up and be
good people. Yes, but that's not the words of activist
good people. They don't want their children to become activist rooms.
That's funny. Well, I think that, uh, you know again
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that that kind of proves the point. And you know,
if you educate people, young people, especially about African American history,
black history in this country, and indeed African history by itself,
(14:11):
and you teach it all the way thoroughly up to
present day, then what you're teaching the students is, well,
these black people, these African and African American people, have
an incredible resolve.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
They're very diligent. They have been through a lot and
have not organized to rise up, you know, in mass
you know, and if that were something that were to happen,
nobody could really blame them. And yet that's not what
(14:50):
they want. They're just simply seeking to be counted. They're
seeking to have a fair go of things. Why is
my neighbor's house three hundred thousand dollars more than mine
and it's the same house. I'm black and I live
here and my neighbor's not black, And if I change
the family portrait in my house, then all of a sudden,
(15:13):
the value of my house goes up three hundred thousand dollars.
Why is it the black real estate agents make less.
And we're just talking about one tiny, teeny tiny facet.
Why is black wealth? Why we're talking about education outcomes?
Why is education? You know what I mean? And you can't,
And it's there's so many people that will just accept
the way the world is because A it doesn't affect them,
(15:35):
or B they don't know any better. But you know,
I think that a comforting thought for folks is well,
that's just how it is. You know, some people are
better at this, some people are better at that. And
that's a falsehood because what I often do is compare
black outcomes across the Atlantic. So are the outcomes for
African Americans the same as the outcomes for Africans? And
(15:58):
if so, they you know, Okay, your point is well made,
But often enough the outcomes are not the same. And
so what's the difference. Well, these are African Americans and
these are Africans, so the American part must be the difference.
So what's going on with the American part that's making
the African Americans suffer more than the African counterparts? Granted,
Africa is not in the best shape, but there's different
(16:20):
ailments in African.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Countries.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
There's the legacy of colonialism, there's you know, the theft
and theft really in mass and then bad deals and
people not honoring and then all kinds of government manipulation,
British government manipulation that you know, destabilizes the country. And
then you have left with the continent that looks the
(16:46):
way it looks now. But you know how the prison
populations look. You know what I mean, You see what
I'm saying. So history is very, very important because it
gives you a framework to understand the world a little
bit better. Now, I didn't read this article yet, and
(17:07):
I do need to read it just to you know,
preserve some journalistic integrity here, So I'll start. According to
w E s H two News, the FDOE said in
a letter to College Board that it would not approve
including ap African American studies into the Florida Course Code
(17:27):
directory and instructional personnel assignments because quote, the content of
this course is inexplicably, inexplicably contrary to Florida law. That
would have been enough. It wouldn't have been enough. But okay,
but here's where the knife gets twisted and significantly lacks
educational value. Okay, that's the hurtful part. So my history
(17:49):
lacks educational value. And mind you, this is an.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
AP course and it's contrary to the law.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Yeah, and I get that. That's you know, you fight
some battles, you lose some battles. What are you going
to do? Right, But then to go ahead and insult
the educational value of our history is a slap in
the face. You know. As a matter of fact, our
way black history facts should have been about that that
beach in Florida where only blacks could that was the
(18:16):
only beach in Florida where black people could go and swim.
In fact, I'll do that, and that'll show you just
how racist Florida has been in the past. And this
obviously shows that Florida is still, at least in these
pockets of power, tenuous power, how racist it still can be.
(18:40):
And I was making a point. This is an AP course,
so those for those familiar, AP is not kindergarten, it's
not first grade, it's not second grade. AP is advanced placement,
I believe is the is what it's abbreviated for. I
I took AP courses in high school. It was a
long time ago, but all right, I'll finish reading or
I'll continue reading rather. The AP African American Studies course
was limited this academic year in sixty schools across the nation.
(19:04):
Per the College Board website, the course intends to introduce
high school students to African American studies and includes a
curriculum that covers literature, geography, and more. Here's a quote.
Drawing from expertise and experience of college faculty and teachers
across the country, the course is designed to offer high
school students an evidence based introduction to African American studies.
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The description of the course reads, per College Board quote,
the interdisciplinary course reaches into a variety of fields literature,
the arts and humanities, political science, geography, and more science
to explore the vital contributions and experiences of African Americans.
During the twenty twenty three twenty four academic school year,
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the pilot is expected to be implemented in hundreds of
schools before all institutions can start offering the course in
twenty twenty four to twenty five. The first AP exams
are set to be administered in the spring of twenty
twe twenty five, following the FDE blocking the African American
Studies course. College Board issued the following statement quote, Like
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all new AP courses, AP African American Studies is undergoing
a rigorous multi year pilot phase, collecting feedback from teachers, students, scholars,
and policymakers. The process of piloting and revising course frameworks
is standard part of any new AP course, and frameworks
changed significantly as a result. We look forward to publicly
releasing the updated course framework as soon as it is
completed and well before this class is widely available in
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American high schools. In its letter to college Board, the
FDOE wrote, in the future, should College Board be willing
to come back to the table with lawful, historically accurate content,
FDOE will always be willing to reopen the discussion. Okay, So, basically,
they spent years with some of the most prominent educators
(20:52):
in this country developing in this curriculum, They piloted it
to see if it were works, and then when they
took it to Florida, Florida says it lacks significant education
or sorry, significantly lacks educational value, and then later says
(21:12):
that the content was historically inaccurate. In other words, if
you come back to the table with lawful, historically accurate
content will resume the conversation, so that lets me.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Know they and still ultimately till you know, yes and
we're empowered to do so.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Right, they're going to make it wrong even if it's not.
They already did that. And I think your point that
you made was they're doing this right in front of
everyone's face, not even hiding the fact, and they're adding
insult to injury. It's like they're mocking us. How dare
(21:54):
you say?
Speaker 1 (21:54):
And singularly because other ap history classes from other cultures,
other backgrounds, other migrant cultures that came over to this league,
talk to them. Those are historical, listory and lawful.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
I did a talk about this again on the Black
Information Network Daily podcast where I discussed the Holocaust. So
m hmm, let's talk about this tragedy is a tragedy.
(22:31):
I want to make sure that I say that I
do believe that children should know about the Holocaust. I
believe everybody should know about the Holocaust. It is an
awful thing that happened, and we need to continue to
learn from it so that we know how to be
the best brothers and sisters to our Jewish brothers and
sisters as we can possibly be A and B. We
(22:54):
need to know about it so we know how to
observe the uh makes of a similar event phenomenon taking
place in the future, so that we can prevent it
from you know, prevent the systematic extermination of human beings
for their religious beliefs. Right, it's necessary. It has significant
(23:21):
educational value. Right, I believe this, Right, so does the
Florida Department of Education.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
Right.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Six million. Now, again, I'm not an atrocity is an atrocity,
and I'm not trying to compare other than to say
that while that counts in my view and their view
as significantly having educational value. Also, when you take into
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account the amount of slaves that die just in the
Middle Passage, I think that was somewhere in the neighborhood
of eighty million, eighty eighty five million, something like that.
If that number may not be right, but it's certainly
more than six million, right, And so that too belongs here,
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And if that were the only thing, that would be it.
But obviously the rabbit hole goes much deeper. But now
it's time for the way Black history facts. So let's
move it on. Today's Way. Black History Fact is sponsored
by the Black Information Network Daily Podcast and today we
are pulling from two sources, so we be Rollingstone dot com.
(24:34):
Shout out to Rolling Stone, they did a nice article
on us and Blackpast dot org and we are talking
about Bo Diddley. Sorry, I had a moment shout out
to Rolling Stone because they did an article on us.
That's actually shout out. They did do an article on
this show.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
Yeah, that's that's that's special.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
That's an impossible thing to say out loud, and it'll
be true. Man, we're doing something special apparently, all right.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Boxer and singer Bo Didley, whose birth name was Ellis
Bates McDaniel, was born on December thirtieth, nineteen twenty eight,
in McComb, Mississippi. He was adopted by his mother's cousin.
When the mother's husband died in the mid nineteen thirties,
McDaniel moved her family to Chicago, where young Ellis took
violin lessons from Professor ol W. Frederick at the Ebenezer
(25:23):
Missionary Baptist Church. He studied violin for twelve years and
composed two concertos or concertos. I never know how to
say that word. In nineteen forty, his sister bought McDaniel
and acoustic guitar for Christmas. He soon started to play
the guitar, largely duplicating his actions on the violin. Soon afterwards,
he formed his first group of three, named the Hipsters
(25:46):
and later known as the Langley Avenue Jive Cats. I
Love That. It was during this time that the band
leaders gave him the nickname Bo Diddley. Didley recorded his
first single, Bo did Lee Slash I Am a Man
on March second, nineteen fifty five, on Checkers Records. It
topped the R and B chart for two weeks. Soon afterward,
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Didley began to tour, performing in schools, colleges, and churches
across the United States. Regardless of the venue, he taught
people the importance of respect and education and all the
dangers of drugs and gang culture. For a young black
singer and guitarist from Chicago with only a minor hit,
getting booked on the Ed Sullivan Show in nineteen fifty
five was a career making opportunity. Sullivan asked him to
(26:29):
sing Tennessee Eerie Ford's country smash sixteen Tons. Instead, The
young star unleashed the guitar Maelstrom that introduced him to
the world and whose title bore his name, Bo Didley.
The audience went wild, and Sullivan fumed, promising that Diddley
would never appear on television again. Later, Didley recalled the
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aftermath quote he says to me, you're the first colored
boy ever double crossed me on a song unquote. And
I started to hit dude because I was a young
hoodlum out of Chicago and thought colored boy was an insult. Hey, man,
you're right about that. Colored boy is an insult, all right.
Idley was pure masculinity, with songs that shouted his name
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and proclaimed his skills with a cigar box shaped guitar
he designed himself, a stetson on his head, and a
sound that permanently reoriented the world's senses of rhythm. Bo
Diddley called himself the Originator, and when he died at
age seventy nine on June second from heart Sorry that
would have been two thousand and eight, from heart failure
(27:31):
in his home in Archer, Florida, music lost a one
of a kind pioneer. Bo Diddley was known for many
new musical styles and innovations. He was one of the
first musicians of the nineteen fifties to incorporate women musicians,
including Lady Bo. He hired a full time to play
all of his stage performances, whereupon she became the first
(27:53):
female lead guitarist in history to be employed by a
major act. Also, the usage of special effects like reverb
and his manipulations of the guitar made him a groundbreaking musician.
Didley hopped and strutted around stage while playing his guitar,
over his head, with his teeth, and even between his legs.
In that regard, he influenced numerous rock musicians from the
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nineteen sixties on, and in nineteen eighty six, Vau Didley
was inducted into the Washington Area Music Association's Hall of Fame.
Then in the following year, he was inducted into the
Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in Cleveland. In nineteen
ninety six, Didley received the Lifetime Achievement Award from the
Rhythm and Blues Foundation in Los Angeles, while the following
year his nineteen fifty five debut record of his song
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Bo Didley was inducted into the Grammy Hall of Fame
as a recording of Lasting qualitative or historical significance. Also
in nineteen ninety six, he received a Lifetime Achievement Award
at the Grammy Awards ceremony. In two thousand, Didley was
inducted into the Mississippi Museum Musicians Hall of Fame as
well as the North Florida Music Association's Hall of Fame.
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And in seven Didley went to Mississippi to receive the
Governor's Award for Excellence in Arts for Lifetime Achievement, which
is the state's highest arts honor. Let's see, and he
was married four times, and he was survived by his
five children, fifteen grandchildren, and fifteen great grandchildren and three
(29:20):
great great grandchildren. And I love this story because and
the reason that I was kind of prime for the
story is because I saw a clip on social media
as a video of Ray Charles, right, and Ray Charles
was getting interviewed. My older sister actually posted this, So
shout out to my sister Trudy, and that's your screen
(29:41):
name if you want to follow her. It's true underscore D. Anyway,
so this video, a journalist isn't excuse me interviewing Ray Charles,
and he says something like, you know, Elvis is really good, right,
Elvis is really good?
Speaker 4 (29:58):
And Ray Charles goes, oh, okay, okay, and the journalist says, whoa, okay, well,
you know, you tell me what are your thoughts on Elvis?
Speaker 2 (30:10):
And he says, well, Elvis is you know, let's be honest.
And then effectively, what he says is that Elvis copied
black music, copied black dance styles, singing styles, you know,
(30:33):
guitar styles, etc. And just repackaged it for a white audience.
And that's why he was successful. But that didn't make
him good. It's not just to say that he was bad,
but there were certainly a lot of people who were
better performers, musicians, singers, et cetera. And so for Elvis
to be celebrated in that way, Ray Charles just couldn't
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really see it, and he was almost insulted. In fact,
I think he was insulted to be having to have
this conversation about Elvis Presley when he's Ray Charles, right,
and from his perspective, you get, it didn't seem like arrogance.
It seemed like, well, shoot, I never thought of that.
You're absolutely right, you know, we you know who didn't
(31:16):
grow up in that time, we look at it like, oh, yeah, Elvis,
he's like one of the greats, Sure, why not, right,
But the way he tells it, it's like, oh, shoot,
he's right, right. And so having that sort of as
the backdrop for you know, this Bo Diddley story, I
realized that, you know, it's up to us to make
those connections, those decidedly black connections to rock and roll,
(31:40):
to everything that was black, because you know, we need
to give credit where credit is due. We need to
highlight our contributions to this country in entertainment and in
every other space because they're often overlooked, and we need
to make sure that we celebrate our heroes. And so
Bo Diddley was the name of the day, and that,
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ladies and gentlemen, is your way Black history.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
Fact. That's incredible, nice and neat right. Yeah, I got
to learn about Bo Diddley as a kid because Bo
Jackson a very prominent and famous athlete. Part of his
marketing campaign through Nike was you don't know Bo, and
then Bo Diddley said, BO don't know Diddley. So it
was a really good play on words in a way
of interjecting himself back into the sociular culture and the
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culture I love that well.
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