February 11, 2023 • 34 mins
In the second half of the show, we discuss a mental framework known as Standpoint Theory. This theory suggests that we understand that we can only thoroughly articulate the perspectives we have witnessed firsthand. Our Way Black History Fact is dedicated to the first Rosa Parks…named Elizabeth Jennings Graham.
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Uh.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
We're going to spend some time discussing standpoint theory. Yeah yeah, so, Uh,
this is something that is new to me. It's an
old theory. I think it originated in maybe the seventies
or something like that. But we just came across it
and we sat with it and we thought, maybe this
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is a good way to explain some things to our listeners. Uh.
Certainly it helped us explain some things to ourselves and
things that we were seeing. And we like things like that,
things that challenge our way of thinking and help us
expand our mental framework. And if you are one of
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the people that likes that sort of thing, and definitely
stick around for that, and of course much much more.
But first and foremost, we're going to start off with
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for becoming a better ally an amazing man. I love
this guy. I spent a lot of time skateboarding when
I was in high school. Man, when I was in
grade school, so this was the coolest dude when I
was in grade school. He actually had had bikes and
I was in like gts and Dinos and that sort
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of back in the day. Anyway, he had a Tony
Hawk bike. Anyway, Tony Hawk. Uh. He has pledged to
donate proceeds from from autographed photos to a memorial on
for Tyrie Nichols, whose family said shares the same passion
as a skateboarding legend. On February third, Hawk said he
and BMX writer Rick Thorne would autograph pictures to raise
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money for Tyrie Nichols Memorial Fund, which was launched after
the twenty nine year old black man who was fatally
beaten by Memphis police. Or the associated price is a
quote from him. My proceeds from these will go to
the Tyree Nichols Memorial Fund, which includes plans to build
a public skate park in his honor. As our worlds
continue to grieve his loss, Hawk tweeted Friday, he goes
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on he was a talented skater, among other admirable traits.
Let's keep his legacy alive. That man did not have
to do that. Tony Hawk is a good man. People
like him go to heaven all right. Nichols and an
avid skateboarder and father to a four year old boy,
died on January tenth, three days after he was pulled
over by Memphis police Officer's footage released earlier this month
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show's officers repeatedly punching, kicking, and hitting him with a
baton as he cried out for his mother. Six officers
involved in the deadly traffic stop. Blah blah blah whatever.
Half of the proceeds from the talk Hawk and Thorn's
autograph photos will go toward helping nichols family, building a
skate parder in his name, and honoring his love for skateboarding.
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So that's how you can become a better ally do
like Tony Hawk? Man? I love that one, all right?
Standpoint theory. While I'm here. I pulled this in as
Layman's the terms as I could find from britannica dot com.
But I employ you to take standpoint theory. Put that
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in your lap, and at a point when you have
some time, read it, read the read the the the
the cerebral academic version of it. I would never be
able to articulate it here on this show. I wouldn't
have the time, And I don't even know if you
know my understanding of it is as profound as it
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could be. But we have some certainly have some talking points,
and I want to share with you. But first I
want to start with a story. I go for walks
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with some frequency, we'll call it five days a week,
and let's be honest, an affluent neighborhood. And I have
friends who never have to worry about money. In fact,
they don't have to worry about money so much so
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that they don't even think about it. And their worldview
is insulated by their means and the privilege. These people
are good people, and for a long time I could
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not understand fully and I'm still learning, I'll admit that,
but I cannot understand fully how you know some people
could vote for such and such or could have these
ideas that center you know, profits over people, or were
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so susceptible to what I would consider to be fear
mongering things that are not based in a real in reality.
You know, we talked about it earlier. CRT is scaring children.
We've been teaching American history to children since they've been children.
All of a sudden, because of what is it, the
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Great Replacement theory taking center stage and far right QAnon
message boards online. You know, people are trying to edge
kate children or rather uneducatedly is what's the word I'm
looking for? Fail to educate children so that they do
not become sympathetic and empathetic, and they use the guise
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of oh, this hurts white children's feelings to appeal to
folks who have no practical, valid certainly not substantial experience
walking a path that shows full well that these notions
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are unfounded, entirely unfounded. Right, but good people, well intentioned,
well meaning people. I'm learning myself crazy. I had a
conversation recently with a woman, beautiful woman, beautiful woman. I
don't want to put her business out there, but she
knows who she is. She listens to the show and
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while she's listening, I will say again that I love
you and I thank you for this inspiration for today's segment. Shoots.
You may come up one day who knows she's talking
to me? And she says, why is no one listening
to each other? Why are we not making progress? How
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is the world the way that it is? Why is
it not simpler? She's asking questions that deserve to be asked, kay,
that deserve to be answered and answered absolutely, And I'm
at a lost for words. I'm like, you know, if
it was that simple, people would have figured it out
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long before I got here. And she says, like me,
She's like, well you, She says, you know, black people
are my angels. I promise she's the person that does
not need to say that. She says, black people have
always been kind to me in my life. Black people
have always looked out for me, cared for me when
I needed it. Black people are my angels. And I
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wish that the world was better for all of us. Right,
And it's so simple, but you know, how do we
get there? Enter standpoint theory? All right? So first and foremost,
I will speak for myself. I believe that Q is
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of a similar persuasion. But I will speak for myself
first and foremost, I often speak for you, and I
just assume so. One of my heroes, historical heroes, is
a man named Fred Hampton. Fred Hampton is known for
let's be honest. Now, he's known for getting killed by
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the police in Chicago. Assassinated by the police in Chicago.
That's a fact that is not me embellished. Assassinated by
the Chicago police. Look that up. They admitted it, okay.
But when he was alive, he was a very charismatic
person who was around during the time of the Panthers
and so forth. And you have this idea and this
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sort of movement. It was referred to as a Rainbow coalition,
and the idea there was that he took ideas. He
basically took everyone who had a struggle in this country
and set them all down at the table with black
people to say, Okay, my Asian brothers and sisters, my
Jewish brothers and sisters, we haven't forgotten you, my Indigenous
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Native brothers and sisters, my Hispanic brothers and sisters. You know,
my lgbt q I A plus brothers and sisters. Of course,
they weren't called that back. Then all of us have
something to gain by creating a meaningful social impact, and
we can create that change more easily and more effectively
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together in unison. So we're greater than the sum of
our parts. Right This rainbow coalition was something that I
really believed in and believe in right now. And again
I'm speaking for Q if I may that this is
something Okay, he's nodding his side, this is something that
we appreciate on the show. With that in mind, I
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will say this, The standpoint theory is a feminist theory,
and I will credit the author in just a minute.
So this does not originate with, you know, a black
power movement or struggle, rather a feminist struggle, but the
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idea sound. And you know, people that are looking to
create a better world oftentimes look at historical change makers,
and far be it from us to ignore our sisters
in the progress that they've made in their struggles. And
I know that our sisters and everyone, sir, everyone looks
at what black people do to try to move the needle.
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Everyone else who's kind of born on the strike against them.
Because we have been traveling this road for a very
long time and have made meaningful progress throughout history. So
today we're taking a page out of the book of
feminism and standpoint theory is a feminist theoretical perspective that
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argues that knowledge stems from social position. That's important because well,
if you don't know, it doesn't sound like anything. But
if you break it down, knowledge stems from social position.
Think about that. You would think, as I would think,
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that knowledge stems from academics. But where do academics come from.
Often academics come from means, privilege, access, et cetera. And
they cannot in a meaningful way articulate the reality and
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solutions and approaches for people who have not they who
where they have not lived in their shoes. Right, So
this presupposes that your perspective is based on where you
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are in society. Okay, so we have to accept that,
and I do believe that there is some truth there. Again,
this isn't I'm not purporting this to be a reality.
It's a theory that I believe works in helping us
expand our mental framework and how we choose to approach problems.
Like my friend asked me, how do we approach these
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problems if you're not from that position? Maybe we could
listen to people from that position. This is the point
I'm trying to make, and I'll continue to make it here.
All right, So the theory emerged from the Marxist Uh oh,
there's another one of those words that.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
Our country, our government, our leaders have made taboo with
no context. You hear it, you think it's bad, and
that's it, thank you. There's no research, there's no studying,
there's no learning. That word is bad, just like socialists,
just like communists, just like and I'm not saying that
any of these words are good or bad. I'm just
saying there's an auto association with bad when we hear them, Yeah,
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with no understanding of what they actually mean.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
In principle. These things are all good in principle. In practice,
they all have their advantages and disadvantages, and indeed so
does capitalism.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
Yeah, and they've been classified the way that they have
been intentionally for people to not push back or question
the idea of capitalism, which is what we subscribe to, right,
what we subscribe to is better. Our religion, our class system,
our you know, way of government, our way of economics
is better. And to keep you guys from asking us
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too many questions or wanting to venture into trying some
other way. We'll just make whole thing outright, We'll just
make all those other ways bad. And if we say
that they're bad enough times for long enough, you'll just
agree with us and never ask us any questions.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
And I think that's important. You know. I refer to
myself as a decadent capitalist pig from time to time
because I have a sports car and you know, live
in a decent part of town and have watches it
are more expensive than they need to be. But I
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also recognize that I can live in this country and
be critical of certain parts of this country. That's not
to say that in socialist societies that people don't, you know,
accomplish great things. I'm a sharer by my very nature,
and there's a way to walk that line. But the
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way things have been marketed to us in this country,
and I'll admit that I've been you know, marketed to
as well, and I had to unlearn a lot of
things and relearn what I now know and the wise
of why I was taught what I was taught, so
that I didn't have to feel awful about myself. I
didn't have to feel like you know, there's only one
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way to do things, and so I'm grateful for things
like this. I'm grateful for people like you. Was able
to articulate when I said, you know, I got to
Carl Marx's name, and I was like, oh, and he
jumped in there, because these things often are our emotions
are manipulated so that we continue to prop up the capitalists. Right,
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and while I and all of us are capitalists, in practice,
the real capitalists are the ones who are really benefiting
from this society, and the people at the bottom of
the siety, of the people that their lives are ruined
because their mother is sick, you know what I mean,
and they have to you know, like that sort of
thing to keep those people from pushing back, from rebolting.
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As I mentioned, you know, there's powerful forces that market
to us fear. You know. Jim Carey said something recently
and he's like, why is it that everyone in America
is afraid of the socialist healthcare that we have in Canada?
For those who don't know Jim Carrey's Canadian. He's like,
in my whole life, I've never waited in line, I've
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never had to worry about anything all my medicine was
paid for. Why in the world, what is the point
of a government. What is the point of a government
if not to take care of things like this? And
in America we have this idea. The people on the
ground level are like, just do it yourselves. I got
I did it myself. You do it yourself. And we're
not caring for each other. And it's because we think
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this is the only way that it has to be,
because we're afraid of doing it any other way, when
we literally have examples around the world where it's just.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
It's not just fear, though, the intentional misinformation part counts, right.
They present that there was some politician and I'm not
leaving a name to be vague, I just don't remember
who it was. That their whole thing was, they're going.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
To take your health care from you. Isn't that crazy?
Speaker 3 (17:35):
And he was saying that about the people that were
trying to give you health care? Right, His argument was,
they're going to take away your choice for your own
health care provider that you have to pay for, which
isn't it to give you one for free, which isn't
strictly true. But even if that was absolutely.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
True, that make it seem like it's the worst thing.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
The position that that way was very intentional, So it
wasn't just making people afraid, it's making people angry. Let's
tell them the wrong thing, but let's say it really
loud and really confidently, and they'll just accept it.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
Right, they're going to take this from you.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
We'll say the rest of it, sir.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
They're proposing making it something that you don't have to
go without.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
I think this is the same thing that happened with
CRT or better said American History, teaching American history in
school again. I watched at Solano Elementary School in the
fourth grade, Roots all of them. For those who don't know,
there was this movie that came out or it was
like a TV document was in the docu series but
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like a TV series. Yeah, five six episodes, eight episodes
something like that. It's called Roots and it starred Lvar
Burton from Reading Rainbow and star Trek Jordi LaForge my man. Anyway, Kinta.
We watched that in class and I was the kid
who was black on free lunch, you know what I'm saying.
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And I didn't feel bad about watching that. I mean,
it's I had to learn to be proud of it.
But I accepted it. I realized that it wasn't me.
It was a long time. It was fine, you know.
But now what has been sold to the public is
we need to protect our children from these, you know,
these radical thinkers. And so you know we're going to
get there. But I'll continue, I'll continue. The Syria emerged
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from the Marxist argument that people from in a pressed
class have special access to knowledge that is not available
to those from a privileged class. I think that's absolutely true.
If you don't know what government cheese tastes like, if
you didn't have rats in your house, you didn't have
roaches in your house, There wasn't shooting outside of your
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house two to three times a week. If you ain't
never seen it dead body in the street where you live.
You can't tell me about Compton because I was there.
You have no idea what it feels like, what it
feels like to think at age six, that the important
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age is not eighteen, not twenty one, but twenty. The
important age is twenty. Why is that because the stories
you hear all the time at age six oh such
and such died he was only thirteen. She was only seventeen.
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He was only nineteen teen teen teen, teen, teen teen,
So I thought, if I could just make it to twenty,
then I will have made it. Those of you that
can't seem to have a big old afar in my hair.
I started growing that afro when I turned twenty years old,
because I made it. I didn't live in Compton until
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I was twenty, but that number stuck with me. I
didn't start smoking cigarettes when I turned eighteen, never smoked
a cigarette. I didn't start drinking when I turned twenty one,
never drink alcohol in my life. For me, the important
age was twenty. Do you know what that feels like? Then?
How can you educate me? I need to educate you.
This standpoint theory, the presupposition is that you don't know everything.
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I want to read this. The philosophy examines the nature
and origins of knowledge and stresses that knowledge is always
socially situated. Sandra Harding Grady where It's due coin the
term standpoint theory to categorize epistemologies that emphasize women's knowledge.
She argued that it is easy for those at the
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top of social hierarchies to lose sight of real human
relations and the true nature of social reality, and thus
miss critical questions about the social and natural world in
their academic pursuits. In contrast, people at the bottom of
social hierarchies have a unique standpoint that is a better
starting point for scholarship. Although such people are often ignored,
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their marginalized positions actually make it easier for them to
divine important research questions and explain social and natural problems.
I want to say this, Tony Morrison, the one we're
talking about all our book span, had a masterful response
to an interviews like an early nineties interview was a
white woman interviewing her. The woman asks her, well, will
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you ever write, sorry, will you ever write about white authors?
Can you ever conceive of a time when white authors
will make their way into your work? And she says,
I have done that. But more importantly, you have no
idea how racist a question like that is to me.
The interviewer looks perplexed, right, and you would think, well,
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why is she saying? Why has everything got to be racist?
Here's what she says. Tony Morrison says to her, if
I was a white author, would you ask me that question?
When am I going to write about black people in
my books. Your question assumes that the norm, the status
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quo is white, and therefore, by definition, is racist. It's
based on race. It's a eurocentric approach. You are the
center of the earth and I'm doing something that you cannot.
You don't feel centered in, and therefore somehow you need
to make it about you. And she didn't say that,
but that's effectually what was communicated. She was extremely pleasant,
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she didn't raise her nothing. She had to play her
position rightfully, so she couldn't act the floor on TV.
I don't think that she would probably not her way.
But you start to understand where you are in society,
where you come from, in society where your vantage point
is absolutely informs your viewpoint. If you've been centered your
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whole life, how can you speak about Compton, California and
shout out to the D one time, to the motor,
to the three one three. Right now, it's time for
the Way Black History Fact? That was Eabie. Today's Way
Black History Fact is sponsored by the Black Information Network
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Daily podcast Yank This Awful Wikipedia, So you can start
there if you want to make sure I'm telling you
the truth not you know, the research is all out there,
but please read more about these people. We're going to
bring somebody to life that you may not have heard
of before. She is the woman who came before Rosa Parks.
That'll make sense. I'm not talking about Rosa Parks mom,
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talking about the pioneer. Yeah, her name is Elizabeth Jennings Graham.
I'll read Elizabeth Jennings Graham, Mark eighteen thirty through June fifth,
nineteen oh one. That means she lived during a hard time.
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It was an African American teacher and civil rights figure.
In eighteen fifty four, Graham insisted on her right to
ride on an available New York City street car at
a time when all such companies were private and most
operated segregated cars. Her case was decided in her favor
in eighteen fifty five, and it led to the eventual
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desegregation of all New York City transit systems by eighteen
sixty five. Graham later started the city's first kindergarten for
African American children, operating it from her home on two
forty seven West forty first Street until her death in
nineteen oh one. By the eighteen fifties, the horse drawn
street car on rails became a more common mode of transportation,
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competing with the horse drawn omnibus in the city. Elevated
heavy rail trans insprotation did not go into service in
New York until eighteen sixty nine. Like the nearly obsolete
omnibus lines, the street cars were owned by private companies
which regularly barred access to their service on the basis
of race. The owners and drivers could easily refuse service
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to passengers of African descent or demand racially segregated seating.
On Sunday, July sixteenth, eighteen fifty four, Jennings went to
the First Colored Congregational Church, where she was an organist.
As she was running late, she boarded a streetcar of
the Third Avenue Railroad Company at the corner of Pearl
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Street in Chatham Street. I think that's why I say
that the conductor ordered her to get off. When she refused,
the conductor tried to remove her by force. Eventually, with
the aid of a police officer, Jennings was ejected from
the street car. Horace Greeley's New York Tribune commented on
the incident. In February eighteen fifty five. She got upon
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one of the company's car ours last summer on the
sabbath to ride to church. The conductor undertook to get
her off, first, alleging the car was full. When that
was shown to be false, he pretended the other passengers
were displeased at her presence, but when she insisted on
her rights, he took hold of her by force to
expel her. She resisted. The conductor got her down on
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the platform, jammed her bonnet, soiled her dress, and injured
her person. Quite a crowd gathered, but she effectually resisted. Finally,
after the car had gone on further, with the aid
of a policeman, they succeeded in removing her. The incident
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sparked an organized movement among black New Yorkers to end
racial discrimination on street cars, led by notables such as
Jennings's father, Reverend James W. C. Pennington, and Reverend Henry
Hyland Barnett. Her story was publicized by Frederick Douglass in
his newspaper, and it received national attention. Jennings's father filed
the lawsuit on behalf of his daughter against the driver,
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the conductor, and the Third Avenue Railroad Company in Brooklyn,
where the Third Avenue Company was headquartered. This was one
of four street car companies franchised in the city and
had been in operation for about one year. She was
represented by the law firm of Culver, Parker and Arthur.
Her case was handled by the firm's twenty four year
old junior partner, Chester A. Arthur, future President of the
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United States in eighteen fifty five. The court ruled in
her favor and is charged to the jury. Brooklyn Circuit
Court Judge William Rockwell declared colored persons, if sober, well
behaved and free from disease, had the same rights as others,
and could be neither excluded by any rules of the company,
nor by force or violence. The jury awarded Jennings damages
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in the amount of two hundred and fifty dollars, which
is the equivalent of seventy three hundred dollars in today's money,
as well as twenty two dollars and fifty cents in costs.
The next day, the Third Avenue Railroad Company orders ordered
its cars desecret As important as the Jennings case was,
it did not mean that all street car lines would desegregate.
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Leading African American activists formed the New York Legal Rights
Association to continue the fight. In May eighteen fifty five,
James W. P. Penning W. C. Pennington Sorry brought suit
after being forcefully removed from the car of the eighth
Avenue Railroad, another of the first four companies. After steps
forward and back a decade later, in eighteen sixty five,
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New York's public transit services were fully desegregated. The last
case was a challenge by a black woman named Ella Anderson.
Thank you for listening. These are names you need to
know because these people fought and it's important to say
their names. So Ella Anderson, a widow of a fallen
United States Colored Troops soldier, a fact that won public
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support for her all right. On January TEWOD twenty eighteen,
jennings first biography was published, written by Amy Hill Hurt,
entitled Street Card g Justice. How Elizabeth Jennings Won the
Right to Ride in New York and intended for middle
grade to adult readers. The book was published by HarperCollins
Greenwillow Books in New York. Jerry Mcarinda authored America's First
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Freedom Writer, Elizabeth Jennings Chester a Arthured and the Early
Fight for Civil Rights, about the legal fight which arose
from her Forcible Removal Out of the street Car published
in December tween nineteen by Rowan in Littlefield, And in
twenty nineteen, Shelaine McCrae announced that New York City would
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build a statue honoring Graham NewYork Graham Central Terminal. So,
like we said, you know, it's important for us to
discuss have any excellence, because that's important. We get an
hour with you every week. You're probably on a station
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that uses black culture in a meaningful way, and if
nothing else, in a profitable way. Yes, and even if
that's not the case, we appreciate our hour with you.
We realize that that's that's not nothing. And in that
time we have to make you smile, we have to
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make you think, and we also have to acknowledge that
we are a lot of people recently have tried to
make us in the heroes, and we look back and
we see our heroes and we see real heroes. We
see people like this No Elizabeth Jennings, Graham, Ella Anderson.
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You know. So the way black history fact is very
important too. It's a very important segment and an important
part of our clock. We appreciate the opportunity we have
to share this stuff with you, and I'm not going
to sit here and pretend like I knew all this stuff.
I'm learning with you and many and we learned a
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lot from this segment. We do know, but a lot
of it we're learning in real time with you. So
uh so, yeah, not as heavy of a show as
we normally have, but hopefully made some impact. That's about
it for us here on Civic Sipher. So once again,
i'm your host, Ramsy's.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
Jah hears Rams' jaw, I am q ward. To say
we appreciate you guys, really doesn't say enough. Yeah, man,
you're if you're here with this and you're trying to
learn and trying to do better and trying to expand
your way of thinking, that's something I won't even say.
That's not nothing. That's something special, you know, And we're
your brothers and we love you. It doesn't matter what
you look like, it doesn't matter what you did yesterday.
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We're going to figure it out together, right, that's the mission.
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We're going to spend some time discussing standpoint theory. Yeah yeah, so, Uh,
this is something that is new to me. It's an
old theory. I think it originated in maybe the seventies
or something like that. But we just came across it
and we sat with it and we thought, maybe this
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is a good way to explain some things to our listeners. Uh.
Certainly it helped us explain some things to ourselves and
things that we were seeing. And we like things like that,
things that challenge our way of thinking and help us
expand our mental framework. And if you are one of
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the people that likes that sort of thing, and definitely
stick around for that, and of course much much more.
But first and foremost, we're going to start off with
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for becoming a better ally an amazing man. I love
this guy. I spent a lot of time skateboarding when
I was in high school. Man, when I was in
grade school, so this was the coolest dude when I
was in grade school. He actually had had bikes and
I was in like gts and Dinos and that sort
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of back in the day. Anyway, he had a Tony
Hawk bike. Anyway, Tony Hawk. Uh. He has pledged to
donate proceeds from from autographed photos to a memorial on
for Tyrie Nichols, whose family said shares the same passion
as a skateboarding legend. On February third, Hawk said he
and BMX writer Rick Thorne would autograph pictures to raise
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money for Tyrie Nichols Memorial Fund, which was launched after
the twenty nine year old black man who was fatally
beaten by Memphis police. Or the associated price is a
quote from him. My proceeds from these will go to
the Tyree Nichols Memorial Fund, which includes plans to build
a public skate park in his honor. As our worlds
continue to grieve his loss, Hawk tweeted Friday, he goes
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on he was a talented skater, among other admirable traits.
Let's keep his legacy alive. That man did not have
to do that. Tony Hawk is a good man. People
like him go to heaven all right. Nichols and an
avid skateboarder and father to a four year old boy,
died on January tenth, three days after he was pulled
over by Memphis police Officer's footage released earlier this month
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show's officers repeatedly punching, kicking, and hitting him with a
baton as he cried out for his mother. Six officers
involved in the deadly traffic stop. Blah blah blah whatever.
Half of the proceeds from the talk Hawk and Thorn's
autograph photos will go toward helping nichols family, building a
skate parder in his name, and honoring his love for skateboarding.
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So that's how you can become a better ally do
like Tony Hawk? Man? I love that one, all right?
Standpoint theory. While I'm here. I pulled this in as
Layman's the terms as I could find from britannica dot com.
But I employ you to take standpoint theory. Put that
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in your lap, and at a point when you have
some time, read it, read the read the the the
the cerebral academic version of it. I would never be
able to articulate it here on this show. I wouldn't
have the time, And I don't even know if you
know my understanding of it is as profound as it
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could be. But we have some certainly have some talking points,
and I want to share with you. But first I
want to start with a story. I go for walks
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with some frequency, we'll call it five days a week,
and let's be honest, an affluent neighborhood. And I have
friends who never have to worry about money. In fact,
they don't have to worry about money so much so
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that they don't even think about it. And their worldview
is insulated by their means and the privilege. These people
are good people, and for a long time I could
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not understand fully and I'm still learning, I'll admit that,
but I cannot understand fully how you know some people
could vote for such and such or could have these
ideas that center you know, profits over people, or were
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so susceptible to what I would consider to be fear
mongering things that are not based in a real in reality.
You know, we talked about it earlier. CRT is scaring children.
We've been teaching American history to children since they've been children.
All of a sudden, because of what is it, the
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Great Replacement theory taking center stage and far right QAnon
message boards online. You know, people are trying to edge
kate children or rather uneducatedly is what's the word I'm
looking for? Fail to educate children so that they do
not become sympathetic and empathetic, and they use the guise
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of oh, this hurts white children's feelings to appeal to
folks who have no practical, valid certainly not substantial experience
walking a path that shows full well that these notions
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are unfounded, entirely unfounded. Right, but good people, well intentioned,
well meaning people. I'm learning myself crazy. I had a
conversation recently with a woman, beautiful woman, beautiful woman. I
don't want to put her business out there, but she
knows who she is. She listens to the show and
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while she's listening, I will say again that I love
you and I thank you for this inspiration for today's segment. Shoots.
You may come up one day who knows she's talking
to me? And she says, why is no one listening
to each other? Why are we not making progress? How
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is the world the way that it is? Why is
it not simpler? She's asking questions that deserve to be asked, kay,
that deserve to be answered and answered absolutely, And I'm
at a lost for words. I'm like, you know, if
it was that simple, people would have figured it out
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long before I got here. And she says, like me,
She's like, well you, She says, you know, black people
are my angels. I promise she's the person that does
not need to say that. She says, black people have
always been kind to me in my life. Black people
have always looked out for me, cared for me when
I needed it. Black people are my angels. And I
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wish that the world was better for all of us. Right,
And it's so simple, but you know, how do we
get there? Enter standpoint theory? All right? So first and foremost,
I will speak for myself. I believe that Q is
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of a similar persuasion. But I will speak for myself
first and foremost, I often speak for you, and I
just assume so. One of my heroes, historical heroes, is
a man named Fred Hampton. Fred Hampton is known for
let's be honest. Now, he's known for getting killed by
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the police in Chicago. Assassinated by the police in Chicago.
That's a fact that is not me embellished. Assassinated by
the Chicago police. Look that up. They admitted it, okay.
But when he was alive, he was a very charismatic
person who was around during the time of the Panthers
and so forth. And you have this idea and this
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sort of movement. It was referred to as a Rainbow coalition,
and the idea there was that he took ideas. He
basically took everyone who had a struggle in this country
and set them all down at the table with black
people to say, Okay, my Asian brothers and sisters, my
Jewish brothers and sisters, we haven't forgotten you, my Indigenous
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Native brothers and sisters, my Hispanic brothers and sisters. You know,
my lgbt q I A plus brothers and sisters. Of course,
they weren't called that back. Then all of us have
something to gain by creating a meaningful social impact, and
we can create that change more easily and more effectively
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together in unison. So we're greater than the sum of
our parts. Right This rainbow coalition was something that I
really believed in and believe in right now. And again
I'm speaking for Q if I may that this is
something Okay, he's nodding his side, this is something that
we appreciate on the show. With that in mind, I
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will say this, The standpoint theory is a feminist theory,
and I will credit the author in just a minute.
So this does not originate with, you know, a black
power movement or struggle, rather a feminist struggle, but the
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idea sound. And you know, people that are looking to
create a better world oftentimes look at historical change makers,
and far be it from us to ignore our sisters
in the progress that they've made in their struggles. And
I know that our sisters and everyone, sir, everyone looks
at what black people do to try to move the needle.
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Everyone else who's kind of born on the strike against them.
Because we have been traveling this road for a very
long time and have made meaningful progress throughout history. So
today we're taking a page out of the book of
feminism and standpoint theory is a feminist theoretical perspective that
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argues that knowledge stems from social position. That's important because well,
if you don't know, it doesn't sound like anything. But
if you break it down, knowledge stems from social position.
Think about that. You would think, as I would think,
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that knowledge stems from academics. But where do academics come from.
Often academics come from means, privilege, access, et cetera. And
they cannot in a meaningful way articulate the reality and
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solutions and approaches for people who have not they who
where they have not lived in their shoes. Right, So
this presupposes that your perspective is based on where you
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are in society. Okay, so we have to accept that,
and I do believe that there is some truth there. Again,
this isn't I'm not purporting this to be a reality.
It's a theory that I believe works in helping us
expand our mental framework and how we choose to approach problems.
Like my friend asked me, how do we approach these
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problems if you're not from that position? Maybe we could
listen to people from that position. This is the point
I'm trying to make, and I'll continue to make it here.
All right, So the theory emerged from the Marxist Uh oh,
there's another one of those words that.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
Our country, our government, our leaders have made taboo with
no context. You hear it, you think it's bad, and
that's it, thank you. There's no research, there's no studying,
there's no learning. That word is bad, just like socialists,
just like communists, just like and I'm not saying that
any of these words are good or bad. I'm just
saying there's an auto association with bad when we hear them, Yeah,
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with no understanding of what they actually mean.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
In principle. These things are all good in principle. In practice,
they all have their advantages and disadvantages, and indeed so
does capitalism.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
Yeah, and they've been classified the way that they have
been intentionally for people to not push back or question
the idea of capitalism, which is what we subscribe to, right,
what we subscribe to is better. Our religion, our class system,
our you know, way of government, our way of economics
is better. And to keep you guys from asking us
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too many questions or wanting to venture into trying some
other way. We'll just make whole thing outright, We'll just
make all those other ways bad. And if we say
that they're bad enough times for long enough, you'll just
agree with us and never ask us any questions.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
And I think that's important. You know. I refer to
myself as a decadent capitalist pig from time to time
because I have a sports car and you know, live
in a decent part of town and have watches it
are more expensive than they need to be. But I
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also recognize that I can live in this country and
be critical of certain parts of this country. That's not
to say that in socialist societies that people don't, you know,
accomplish great things. I'm a sharer by my very nature,
and there's a way to walk that line. But the
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way things have been marketed to us in this country,
and I'll admit that I've been you know, marketed to
as well, and I had to unlearn a lot of
things and relearn what I now know and the wise
of why I was taught what I was taught, so
that I didn't have to feel awful about myself. I
didn't have to feel like you know, there's only one
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way to do things, and so I'm grateful for things
like this. I'm grateful for people like you. Was able
to articulate when I said, you know, I got to
Carl Marx's name, and I was like, oh, and he
jumped in there, because these things often are our emotions
are manipulated so that we continue to prop up the capitalists. Right,
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and while I and all of us are capitalists, in practice,
the real capitalists are the ones who are really benefiting
from this society, and the people at the bottom of
the siety, of the people that their lives are ruined
because their mother is sick, you know what I mean,
and they have to you know, like that sort of
thing to keep those people from pushing back, from rebolting.
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As I mentioned, you know, there's powerful forces that market
to us fear. You know. Jim Carey said something recently
and he's like, why is it that everyone in America
is afraid of the socialist healthcare that we have in Canada?
For those who don't know Jim Carrey's Canadian. He's like,
in my whole life, I've never waited in line, I've
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never had to worry about anything all my medicine was
paid for. Why in the world, what is the point
of a government. What is the point of a government
if not to take care of things like this? And
in America we have this idea. The people on the
ground level are like, just do it yourselves. I got
I did it myself. You do it yourself. And we're
not caring for each other. And it's because we think
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this is the only way that it has to be,
because we're afraid of doing it any other way, when
we literally have examples around the world where it's just.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
It's not just fear, though, the intentional misinformation part counts, right.
They present that there was some politician and I'm not
leaving a name to be vague, I just don't remember
who it was. That their whole thing was, they're going.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
To take your health care from you. Isn't that crazy?
Speaker 3 (17:35):
And he was saying that about the people that were
trying to give you health care? Right, His argument was,
they're going to take away your choice for your own
health care provider that you have to pay for, which
isn't it to give you one for free, which isn't
strictly true. But even if that was absolutely.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
True, that make it seem like it's the worst thing.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
The position that that way was very intentional, So it
wasn't just making people afraid, it's making people angry. Let's
tell them the wrong thing, but let's say it really
loud and really confidently, and they'll just accept it.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
Right, they're going to take this from you.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
We'll say the rest of it, sir.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
They're proposing making it something that you don't have to
go without.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
I think this is the same thing that happened with
CRT or better said American History, teaching American history in
school again. I watched at Solano Elementary School in the
fourth grade, Roots all of them. For those who don't know,
there was this movie that came out or it was
like a TV document was in the docu series but
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like a TV series. Yeah, five six episodes, eight episodes
something like that. It's called Roots and it starred Lvar
Burton from Reading Rainbow and star Trek Jordi LaForge my man. Anyway, Kinta.
We watched that in class and I was the kid
who was black on free lunch, you know what I'm saying.
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And I didn't feel bad about watching that. I mean,
it's I had to learn to be proud of it.
But I accepted it. I realized that it wasn't me.
It was a long time. It was fine, you know.
But now what has been sold to the public is
we need to protect our children from these, you know,
these radical thinkers. And so you know we're going to
get there. But I'll continue, I'll continue. The Syria emerged
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from the Marxist argument that people from in a pressed
class have special access to knowledge that is not available
to those from a privileged class. I think that's absolutely true.
If you don't know what government cheese tastes like, if
you didn't have rats in your house, you didn't have
roaches in your house, There wasn't shooting outside of your
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house two to three times a week. If you ain't
never seen it dead body in the street where you live.
You can't tell me about Compton because I was there.
You have no idea what it feels like, what it
feels like to think at age six, that the important
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age is not eighteen, not twenty one, but twenty. The
important age is twenty. Why is that because the stories
you hear all the time at age six oh such
and such died he was only thirteen. She was only seventeen.
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He was only nineteen teen teen teen, teen, teen teen,
So I thought, if I could just make it to twenty,
then I will have made it. Those of you that
can't seem to have a big old afar in my hair.
I started growing that afro when I turned twenty years old,
because I made it. I didn't live in Compton until
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I was twenty, but that number stuck with me. I
didn't start smoking cigarettes when I turned eighteen, never smoked
a cigarette. I didn't start drinking when I turned twenty one,
never drink alcohol in my life. For me, the important
age was twenty. Do you know what that feels like? Then?
How can you educate me? I need to educate you.
This standpoint theory, the presupposition is that you don't know everything.
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I want to read this. The philosophy examines the nature
and origins of knowledge and stresses that knowledge is always
socially situated. Sandra Harding Grady where It's due coin the
term standpoint theory to categorize epistemologies that emphasize women's knowledge.
She argued that it is easy for those at the
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top of social hierarchies to lose sight of real human
relations and the true nature of social reality, and thus
miss critical questions about the social and natural world in
their academic pursuits. In contrast, people at the bottom of
social hierarchies have a unique standpoint that is a better
starting point for scholarship. Although such people are often ignored,
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their marginalized positions actually make it easier for them to
divine important research questions and explain social and natural problems.
I want to say this, Tony Morrison, the one we're
talking about all our book span, had a masterful response
to an interviews like an early nineties interview was a
white woman interviewing her. The woman asks her, well, will
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you ever write, sorry, will you ever write about white authors?
Can you ever conceive of a time when white authors
will make their way into your work? And she says,
I have done that. But more importantly, you have no
idea how racist a question like that is to me.
The interviewer looks perplexed, right, and you would think, well,
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why is she saying? Why has everything got to be racist?
Here's what she says. Tony Morrison says to her, if
I was a white author, would you ask me that question?
When am I going to write about black people in
my books. Your question assumes that the norm, the status
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quo is white, and therefore, by definition, is racist. It's
based on race. It's a eurocentric approach. You are the
center of the earth and I'm doing something that you cannot.
You don't feel centered in, and therefore somehow you need
to make it about you. And she didn't say that,
but that's effectually what was communicated. She was extremely pleasant,
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she didn't raise her nothing. She had to play her
position rightfully, so she couldn't act the floor on TV.
I don't think that she would probably not her way.
But you start to understand where you are in society,
where you come from, in society where your vantage point
is absolutely informs your viewpoint. If you've been centered your
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whole life, how can you speak about Compton, California and
shout out to the D one time, to the motor,
to the three one three. Right now, it's time for
the Way Black History Fact? That was Eabie. Today's Way
Black History Fact is sponsored by the Black Information Network
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Daily podcast Yank This Awful Wikipedia, So you can start
there if you want to make sure I'm telling you
the truth not you know, the research is all out there,
but please read more about these people. We're going to
bring somebody to life that you may not have heard
of before. She is the woman who came before Rosa Parks.
That'll make sense. I'm not talking about Rosa Parks mom,
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talking about the pioneer. Yeah, her name is Elizabeth Jennings Graham.
I'll read Elizabeth Jennings Graham, Mark eighteen thirty through June fifth,
nineteen oh one. That means she lived during a hard time.
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It was an African American teacher and civil rights figure.
In eighteen fifty four, Graham insisted on her right to
ride on an available New York City street car at
a time when all such companies were private and most
operated segregated cars. Her case was decided in her favor
in eighteen fifty five, and it led to the eventual
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desegregation of all New York City transit systems by eighteen
sixty five. Graham later started the city's first kindergarten for
African American children, operating it from her home on two
forty seven West forty first Street until her death in
nineteen oh one. By the eighteen fifties, the horse drawn
street car on rails became a more common mode of transportation,
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competing with the horse drawn omnibus in the city. Elevated
heavy rail trans insprotation did not go into service in
New York until eighteen sixty nine. Like the nearly obsolete
omnibus lines, the street cars were owned by private companies
which regularly barred access to their service on the basis
of race. The owners and drivers could easily refuse service
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to passengers of African descent or demand racially segregated seating.
On Sunday, July sixteenth, eighteen fifty four, Jennings went to
the First Colored Congregational Church, where she was an organist.
As she was running late, she boarded a streetcar of
the Third Avenue Railroad Company at the corner of Pearl
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Street in Chatham Street. I think that's why I say
that the conductor ordered her to get off. When she refused,
the conductor tried to remove her by force. Eventually, with
the aid of a police officer, Jennings was ejected from
the street car. Horace Greeley's New York Tribune commented on
the incident. In February eighteen fifty five. She got upon
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one of the company's car ours last summer on the
sabbath to ride to church. The conductor undertook to get
her off, first, alleging the car was full. When that
was shown to be false, he pretended the other passengers
were displeased at her presence, but when she insisted on
her rights, he took hold of her by force to
expel her. She resisted. The conductor got her down on
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the platform, jammed her bonnet, soiled her dress, and injured
her person. Quite a crowd gathered, but she effectually resisted. Finally,
after the car had gone on further, with the aid
of a policeman, they succeeded in removing her. The incident
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sparked an organized movement among black New Yorkers to end
racial discrimination on street cars, led by notables such as
Jennings's father, Reverend James W. C. Pennington, and Reverend Henry
Hyland Barnett. Her story was publicized by Frederick Douglass in
his newspaper, and it received national attention. Jennings's father filed
the lawsuit on behalf of his daughter against the driver,
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the conductor, and the Third Avenue Railroad Company in Brooklyn,
where the Third Avenue Company was headquartered. This was one
of four street car companies franchised in the city and
had been in operation for about one year. She was
represented by the law firm of Culver, Parker and Arthur.
Her case was handled by the firm's twenty four year
old junior partner, Chester A. Arthur, future President of the
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United States in eighteen fifty five. The court ruled in
her favor and is charged to the jury. Brooklyn Circuit
Court Judge William Rockwell declared colored persons, if sober, well
behaved and free from disease, had the same rights as others,
and could be neither excluded by any rules of the company,
nor by force or violence. The jury awarded Jennings damages
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in the amount of two hundred and fifty dollars, which
is the equivalent of seventy three hundred dollars in today's money,
as well as twenty two dollars and fifty cents in costs.
The next day, the Third Avenue Railroad Company orders ordered
its cars desecret As important as the Jennings case was,
it did not mean that all street car lines would desegregate.
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Leading African American activists formed the New York Legal Rights
Association to continue the fight. In May eighteen fifty five,
James W. P. Penning W. C. Pennington Sorry brought suit
after being forcefully removed from the car of the eighth
Avenue Railroad, another of the first four companies. After steps
forward and back a decade later, in eighteen sixty five,
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New York's public transit services were fully desegregated. The last
case was a challenge by a black woman named Ella Anderson.
Thank you for listening. These are names you need to
know because these people fought and it's important to say
their names. So Ella Anderson, a widow of a fallen
United States Colored Troops soldier, a fact that won public
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support for her all right. On January TEWOD twenty eighteen,
jennings first biography was published, written by Amy Hill Hurt,
entitled Street Card g Justice. How Elizabeth Jennings Won the
Right to Ride in New York and intended for middle
grade to adult readers. The book was published by HarperCollins
Greenwillow Books in New York. Jerry Mcarinda authored America's First
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Freedom Writer, Elizabeth Jennings Chester a Arthured and the Early
Fight for Civil Rights, about the legal fight which arose
from her Forcible Removal Out of the street Car published
in December tween nineteen by Rowan in Littlefield, And in
twenty nineteen, Shelaine McCrae announced that New York City would
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build a statue honoring Graham NewYork Graham Central Terminal. So,
like we said, you know, it's important for us to
discuss have any excellence, because that's important. We get an
hour with you every week. You're probably on a station
(30:54):
that uses black culture in a meaningful way, and if
nothing else, in a profitable way. Yes, and even if
that's not the case, we appreciate our hour with you.
We realize that that's that's not nothing. And in that
time we have to make you smile, we have to
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make you think, and we also have to acknowledge that
we are a lot of people recently have tried to
make us in the heroes, and we look back and
we see our heroes and we see real heroes. We
see people like this No Elizabeth Jennings, Graham, Ella Anderson.
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You know. So the way black history fact is very
important too. It's a very important segment and an important
part of our clock. We appreciate the opportunity we have
to share this stuff with you, and I'm not going
to sit here and pretend like I knew all this stuff.
I'm learning with you and many and we learned a
(31:57):
lot from this segment. We do know, but a lot
of it we're learning in real time with you. So
uh so, yeah, not as heavy of a show as
we normally have, but hopefully made some impact. That's about
it for us here on Civic Sipher. So once again,
i'm your host, Ramsy's.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
Jah hears Rams' jaw, I am q ward. To say
we appreciate you guys, really doesn't say enough. Yeah, man,
you're if you're here with this and you're trying to
learn and trying to do better and trying to expand
your way of thinking, that's something I won't even say.
That's not nothing. That's something special, you know, And we're
your brothers and we love you. It doesn't matter what
you look like, it doesn't matter what you did yesterday.
(32:40):
We're going to figure it out together, right, that's the mission.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
Yeah man, And same as Cheryl or what said I
won't know say her name, but the same as same
as my friend Cheryl. We're all learning together and we're
all going to build something special I believe and it
starts with things like this, So again, we do appreciate
you listening. Hit the website civic sipher, submitt any questions
topics you want us to cover, make a donation. The
show is growing. Your support certainly helps us grow on
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our way. We follow us on a social media a
civic scipher. You can follow me at Ramseys shock q
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Speaker 2 (33:11):
You'll yeah, like yo, we handle li. These brothers are fabulous.
Our lady showing you where momb travel is. Speak to
you from sunlight to move, busting on stage like the
fights and move rove my mic back. You're like that
journalist with journalist too. We can strike back called borders
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up and the borders the press passing.
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We bring it to you as it happens.
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command the slash expando. You're going to fight the slander
with the proper propaganda. What's happening, it's not you've got
any questions to ask? If the news is just a
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journalist headlines.
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