October 16, 2025 • 57 mins
Erin Lee joins us with a rare blend of candor and craft, sharing how clairaudience shaped her life, why she left broadcasting for full‑time mediumship, and the simple, repeatable ways she protects her energy without getting lost in ritual.
We talk about clear boundaries, managing energetic overwhelm in public spaces, and simple grounding. Besides being a funny person and an absolute delight, Erin tells great stories and has fantastic insight about the spirit world.
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Lauren (00:01):
Hey werewolves, mummies, and witches! It's Spooky
Season, Spooky Time.
In today's episode, we chattedwith Erin Lee, former radio DJ
turned professional psychicmedium.
We talked about her road tomediumship, creating energetic
boundaries, and the surprisinglysimple ways you can protect and
ground your energy withoutgetting lost in ritual overload.
(00:23):
I'm Lauren Leon.
Frank (00:24):
And I'm Casey Gasum.
You like that?
You like that one?
Lauren (00:30):
We are a married couple learning how to develop our own
intuition.
And this is episode 89 ofClaire Voyaging.
Wayfeather Media presentsClaire Voyaging.
Hi, puppies.
Frank (01:01):
How are we?
Lauren (01:02):
Little angel puppies.
That's what I call my kids.
Frank (01:04):
You did it again.
I don't know how you do itevery single time.
You guys, you're beautiful.
Lauren (01:08):
You guys are beautiful people.
You are gorgeous.
Frank (01:12):
It's stunning.
Is the Met Gal is the Met Galhere?
Lauren (01:16):
What is happening?
Frank (01:17):
No, it's not.
You just look like this all thetime.
You woke up like this.
Lauren (01:20):
Your aura is shining and glowing like the moon.
Frank (01:24):
It's like glitter.
Lauren (01:25):
What the heck?
Well.
Okay.
Well, now that I'm energized byour our listeners and viewers,
Frank, do you have any updatesto share?
Frank (01:37):
I have a little update.
Lauren (01:38):
I feel like Frank has a little update.
Frank (01:42):
Hey guys, if you go to Claire Voyaging.com right now,
you can actually book me for aReiki session.
Lauren (01:50):
Oh, what?
Frank (01:51):
Yeah.
Lauren (01:52):
Are you serious?
Frank (01:53):
You can.
And let me throw something outreal quick though.
Lauren (01:56):
Go on.
Frank (01:56):
You might notice by my personality that I'm probably
not gonna Reiki the normal way.
Lauren (02:08):
He's got his own style, ladies and gentlemen.
Frank (02:11):
Yeah, and listen, like the actual Reiki element of it
really does resemble like Reiki,right?
But what I do integrate into myReiki is a little bit of like
discussion integration.
So you and I will kind of havea little chat.
We'll do a body scan, we'll doa little bit of chat just to
talk about what we're feelingand stuff like that.
And then the rest is justnormal Reiki.
So you you chill, but with thatthat conversation in mind.
Lauren (02:35):
You also have some interesting additional options.
One of which is like if youhave a family in your home that
you want to just have a groupReiki session for, like, that's
cool.
He'll do a group Reiki, orlike, I don't know.
Yeah, how's your office?
How open are they to groupReiki?
Frank (02:55):
True.
My big thing is always gonna belike, if uh I don't know, I
don't want uh pricing to be abarrier of any kind.
So if you're like, hey, I wantto have I can't afford like a
session, which happens, it'sfine, and you want to have just
a if you want to have 50 peopleover into your house and you you
buy a group session, I'll dothe group session, guys.
Lauren (03:13):
Wow.
Frank (03:14):
So you split the cost, you know, split the cost between
the pals.
Split these.
I don't mind.
Lauren (03:19):
Go have these go fifty f 50 to one.
Frank (03:23):
Yeah.
Listen, there's a lot offractions in there.
I have some other stuff.
Oh, oh, here's a fun one.
Uh, if you are a performer ofany kind, whether that's like
you're uh in a band or you'reyou have a keynote speech to
give or something, I do uh whatI call it Showtime Reiki.
How about that?
If you want active Reiki duringyour presentation, you don't
have to come online or you cansend me a live stream link link,
(03:44):
I'll watch you.
You get Reiki during thatthing.
You know, you got Frank's inyour corner during that period.
Isn't that cool?
I think that's cool.
Lauren (03:51):
Not even you don't even have to log into anything, just
receive.
That's cool.
Frank (03:56):
But I'm behind the scenes and I'll be there for you.
Lauren (03:58):
Yeah.
Frank (03:59):
I'm excited about that one.
I think that's cool.
I of all the performances thatwe've had and like going into
things with like that likeinsecurity of like, oh no, now I
have to be uh on stage.
Lauren (04:08):
If you knew someone was giving you Reiki the whole
entire time, you'd be like, I uhI am supported and taken care
of.
Frank (04:15):
I don't know, there's something there.
I feel very excited about thatone.
And then I'll send you arecording, obviously, of me
doing it.
Lauren (04:20):
And where can where can everyone go again?
Frank (04:22):
Go to Clarevoyagent.com, guys.
There's a a new it's gonna be aservices tab right now.
I think it says Reiki andCoaching.
Coaching, yeah.
Go up there.
Soon Lauren might have a littlebit of a little thing to
present it to you.
Lauren (04:34):
Soon we're working on it.
Behind the scenes.
Frank (04:38):
It's gonna be good.
Lauren (04:39):
Well, I think I think it's just about time to get to
our interview.
Sweet Erin, we really vibedwith her immediately.
Frank (04:48):
Ooh, talk about instant friend.
Lauren (04:50):
Just off the bat, like it was it's a good, it's a good,
good chat.
Frank (04:54):
Yeah.
Lauren (04:55):
So I'm excited for you to hear from her and hear some
of her tips.
Because that's good.
Frank (05:01):
You're gonna be you're gonna you're gonna be friends
with her too.
Yeah.
Lauren (05:04):
You're gonna like it.
You're gonna like it.
You're gonna like it.
You're gonna like it.
You're gonna like it.
You're gonna like it.
Aaron, so nice to meet youalready.
We're like excited to talk toyou.
Can you give us the goods onyour your backstory and we can
we can start there?
Erin (05:25):
Um it it was actually like middle school when I started
kind of realizing that um otherkids my age could not see dead
people.
So that's that's kind of likehow it started.
You kind of like have thismoment of clarity where you're
like, oh, so that wasn't likethat's not normal for you.
Cool, like that's good to know.
So um my my parents werelooking for a house.
(05:48):
They were, you know, middleclass looking to buy their first
home.
And we we were house huntingand they were dragging me along
as one will do when you're 11.
I was in middle school.
And um I had uh one house thatwe went into, I had a
premonition that someone hadpassed in the house.
And to me, this is very like,again, like being little, not
(06:09):
really knowing, but also knowingand being like, oh, this is
just normal for me, like, youknow, seeing people pass through
and spirits.
Then I saw um, you know, likethere was a uh shotgun under the
couch, and I was like, well,that validates that something
went down here.
And um, you know, this was not,this was the 90s, there was not
a time to, you know, lookthings up on the internet and
(06:30):
find out if something hadhappened in this house.
So I I never got truevalidation, but um certainly the
way that I felt and for aslittle as I was, I uh begged my
parents not to buy that houseand we ended up getting a
different one.
So they did listen to it.
Lauren (06:45):
Yeah.
Erin (06:46):
Um, but you know, it was little like bits and pieces that
I was getting fed through myteenage years where I would be
in an antique store and see myreflection in the mirror, but it
was it was me, but it was notme.
Or um, I just got chills fromthat.
Yeah, like things that werepremonition, like I'd get in the
car and put the key in theignition and go, Oh, it's ACDC,
(07:07):
dirty deeds done dirt cheap.
And then the radio would comeon and it was literally ACDC,
dirty deeds done cheap.
And I'm like, Okay, well, likeit it was the kind of thing
where I'm like, I don't, youknow, when you're young or
you're a teenager, you're like,I don't know what to do with
this.
I don't have anyone.
I now have a teenager myselfwho, when he comes to me with
stuff like this, I'm like, ohyeah, so this is what you do, X,
(07:27):
Y, Z.
So it's a whole I didn't haveanyone to guide me.
So I I was kind of like flyingblind through those early years.
Um, and I, you know, I had awhole other career.
I was a radio DJ professionallyfor 20 years before I became a
full-time psychic medium.
Uh COVID hit and and they senteveryone home and they brought
(07:48):
almost nobody back, and itchanged the entire landscape of
entertainment.
Lauren (07:51):
Oh wow.
Erin (07:52):
Um, and I had already been doing this work part-time um
since I got Reiki attuned in2015, but I'd been pulling cards
and stuff since like 2012.
And um, you know, it just kindof became like a natural
progression for me to starttaking on clients full-time and
make this my business.
I I had been kind of likeslowly crawling towards it for a
(08:16):
while, but I'm so passionateabout music that it was hard for
me to make the full leap untilUniverse said, shove, we're
doing it for you.
Lauren (08:23):
Yeah.
Oh my god.
First of all, you do have agreat radio voice.
Thank you.
Um oh, that's so cool.
So your parents did they didn'thave any and still don't like
they don't have any uh uhpsychic tendencies.
Erin (08:42):
No, nope, not at all.
Lauren (08:44):
How does it react to yours?
Erin (08:46):
Yeah.
So um super supportive.
Like my my dad's a verypractical guy.
He's a Taurus like me, so he'svery grounded, like like show me
the proof kind of person.
But there comes a point wherelike skepticism is healthy.
I invite it, I welcome it.
Again, like as a Taurus myself,I'm like, I I want some kind of
concrete evidence also.
(09:06):
But um, it gets to the pointwhere like you can't deny it
anymore when I'm telling youthings and then they come to
pass.
It's like, you know, so uh butmy mom was always um, you know,
some dabbled in spirituality andastrology and things like that.
So it wasn't like completelyforeign or like out of the
question, but um neither of themare gifted.
And and um I have uh familymembers on my mom's side who who
(09:30):
are also intuitive or gifted aswell, but don't do it
professionally like I do.
Lauren (09:35):
I don't know.
It's always nice to hear astory of like the parents are
like, great, they're going tosupport you, and like, you know,
maybe a little like, oh, thisis weird, but not like shutting
you down.
Erin (09:48):
And my grand my grandparents too, like, and I
mean that's you're talking aboutan older generation and they've
since passed, but but like evenyou know, my grandmother, it's
actually the anniversary of herpassing today.
Funny enough, I just thoughtit.
But wow, my grand, mygrandmother was very and she
Sagittarius, funny enough, likeyou guys.
So um, even coming from thatolder generation, she was like,
(10:10):
Oh yeah, like that's you know,cool, I'm open to it.
You want to draw some cards forme?
Like, let's like let's do this.
Like, so you know, I'm verythankful that my family wasn't
like, okay, weirdo, like Ididn't, I mean, like, yeah,
that's true still, but but um,you know, it my dad was like,
uh, but you know, we paid for adegree for you when you went to
college.
Like, that's the that's thepractical Taurus, right?
(10:31):
Yeah, right.
And I was like, well, I mean,I'm still doing stuff in music,
so like you know, does thatcount?
Like, can I just have can I doboth?
Can I have both?
Lauren (10:40):
So just did you so like you got into music or the DJing,
and um was there where was thelike even just doing part-time
like mediumship and takingclients and stuff, like what was
the impetus to like moveforward with that?
Was it just like, I think I'llthink I'll do this?
(11:00):
I'm sensing it anyway.
Erin (11:02):
So there was um uh just a part of it was like meeting
people like along my path thatwere like it it it it becomes
like like I said before, likeundeniable that this is what
you're supposed to be doing.
Lauren (11:14):
Yeah.
Erin (11:14):
So um I made friends with a woman who um her aunt is a
Reiki master and she was a Reikitoo when I met her.
And um I had kind of alreadybeen hearing about it and
interested in in getting a tunemyself.
And then I met these people andI was like, oh, I was supposed
to meet you to learn.
(11:35):
Like it becomes evident, likekind of like on your path, like
when when people, you know, whenyou meet people or when when
you kind of like interact withpeople, like, oh, this is the
moment I was waiting for, orlike this is what the door that
needed to open before I couldtake the next step.
Lauren (11:50):
Yeah.
Erin (11:50):
Um and you know, even working in radio, like I would
be in the studio um, you know,by myself recording something to
to that would play on airlater, and I'd just be standing
there like doing my show prep orkind of whatever, and I would
hear my guides, I'm clearaudience primarily.
So I would hear like a messageto check on someone, and it was
(12:12):
people I worked with at theradio station.
So I'm checking on people andthen finding out that they have
stuff going on.
There was someone on aparticular day that I work with
that our families have kidsaround the same age and they
played together and whatever,and I noticed he wasn't in the
office that day.
And he was in sales, so that'snot unusual for them to kind of
be out and about, like meetingwith other clients and whatever.
(12:33):
But I was like, I texted him, Iwas like, Hey, uh, you know,
I'm just checking on you,haven't seen you today.
I've I felt pushed to like justsee how you're doing.
And he's like, I'm literallystanding on the side of the
road.
I just had a car accident.
And I said, Oh my God.
I was like, so I said, Was itaround this time?
And he goes, Yeah, like withinfive or ten minutes.
And I was like, okay, because Ifirst started hearing that I
(12:55):
needed to check on you.
And again, you know, working inentertainment, a lot of people
are already inclined tospirituality or inclined to
astrology and things of thatnature anyway.
So it's not weird for me totext people that already knew
that I leaned in that directionas it is.
So but it's like feeling outlike who's gonna be cool with me
checking on them and beinglike, hey, like I heard to see
(13:16):
how you're doing.
So, you know, when it when itbecomes like when you're
constantly getting hit withmessages like this, or you know,
check in with your people, orwhatever the case may be, it
gets to the point where you'relike, I I need to be doing this.
Like it's very clear that it'snot a hobby any longer, or it's
(13:36):
not something to do casually,it's it's my life's work or my
calling.
Lauren (13:40):
Yeah.
Frank (13:40):
Well, this is kind of hold on.
So you're saying primarilyclear audience and you have and
you were a radio DJ.
Erin (13:47):
Yeah.
Frank (13:48):
I mean, were you Was there ever like a time when
you're like listening to youryour playlist and you're like,
hey, coworker, you know what myfavorite lyric of the song?
You know when you know whenFreddie Mercury goes, uh help
me, help me, please help me.
You're the only one that canhear me.
Lauren (14:06):
Did you ever experience that?
That happened every single timeshe's listening to the same
Freddie Mercury.
Erin (14:17):
So there's definitely a degree of like catching messages
in the music for sure.
Lauren (14:23):
Yeah.
Erin (14:24):
And and there's also a degree of like having worked in
radio, meeting artists directly,like on this plane of
existence, not that the past,just for clearly.
Oh, yeah.
Um, and and then there's alevel of understanding that you
have as a psychic or intuitiveperson that it's like here's
here's the interaction I'mhaving face to face with you,
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and then here's kind of what I'mreceiving intuitively or in the
background.
And I I try to like not be onat all times.
Like I don't, I have theability, not, and not all
psychics do, to flip the switchon and off.
Like some people are open andreceiving information at all
times, whereas I have reallygood energetic boundaries where
I'm like, we're not doing thisright now.
(15:06):
Like, I'm just being a humanbeing.
Like I don't need to be, Idon't need to be open or on at
all times and receiving messagesabout your dead grandma like at
Publix or whatever.
Lauren (15:16):
It's like so it's it's did you do like doing that?
Did you do um did you find likeum a mentor or a teacher or
something like as far asmediumship, like to develop that
and to get to turning off yourswitch?
Erin (15:34):
Yeah, absolutely.
So um it, I mean, technicallyit started with John Edward
watching John Edward on TV.
Oh right.
So yeah, amazing.
And like super like directcommunicator, which I'm a direct
communicator too, so Iappreciate that style.
Um, can you explain what thatis?
Um what direct communication?
Yeah, yeah.
(15:54):
So like when you um when youdon't use like flowery words or
you don't um like when you whenyou direct communicate, it it's
like I'm telling you exactlylike it is.
I'm not like softening it orsugarcoating it.
Like I'm giving you directinformation without all of the
fluff.
Frank (16:11):
Okay.
Erin (16:12):
So and that's not exclusive to being psychic,
that's just how I communicate ingeneral.
Frank (16:16):
Sure, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Lauren (16:17):
So like you're not filtering it through you're not
being like too gentle with likeYeah.
Erin (16:26):
Well, I mean, uh I find, you know, the longer I do this,
I find that some people do needa softer approach, and that's
fine.
But I'm never gonna like tellyou, oh, you're gonna find the
love of your life next week ifthat's not in the cards for you.
Like I try to be grounded andpractical in the information
that I give when I'mcommunicating during a reading.
And that's like I said, goesback to why I liked John Edwards
(16:48):
so much because I saw himgiving very clear and direct
information, and there's nolike, you know, flowery, fluffy
stuff going on.
He's very like rapid fire theway he reads.
And I, you know, I was ateenager watching him on
television.
Crossing over was big when Iwas a kid.
Lauren (17:04):
Yeah.
Erin (17:04):
Um, and then you know, subsequently I I met people um
through a uh class that I tookonline on Zoom through Thomas
John, who's also uh a fairlyrenowned psychic medium on a
national level.
And um we took a class withThomas and then uh several of
the people who were students ofhis, this was during lockdown
(17:26):
when everything was on Zoom.
Um, you know, we formed like agroup chat and and uh I joke
about this a lot because there'sonly so many people that you
can message the group chat andlike take a picture and be like,
hey, what do you see in thecorner over here in my room?
Or like, or like, oh, your youraunt wants to say hi for a
minute, who passed away, youknow, 25 years ago.
(17:47):
Right.
Lauren (17:48):
Oh wow.
Erin (17:49):
So um uh, you know, I I made some friends and mentors
through um things like that.
And then also, you know, likeon a local level, um, I've had
the pleasure of working withsome people that uh I really do
feel that um we're alwayslearning from each other.
Like we all can stand to learnthings from each other.
I don't see it as like teacherand student, I see us all as
(18:12):
students of one another.
Frank (18:14):
Yeah.
Listen.
Lauren (18:21):
I feel like you just talked about this recently.
Frank (18:23):
I talk well, because I've been I talk about it nonstop.
Yeah.
I the it very much feels likeyou know, everyone we uh we
started, we asked this questionuh at the very beginning of when
we first started the podcast oflike, you know, I keep hearing
like a lot of um very intuitivepeople are are talking about how
they feel like the world isshifting in a in a direction.
Like, what do you think it'sshifting to?
And you get a lot of like youget a lot of uh weird answers
(18:46):
because you know, there's the uhand I've come to understand
like the the energy of whatyou're feeling doesn't quite
necessarily translate to likehow things 3D manifest, right?
Erin (18:56):
Yes.
Frank (18:58):
Yeah.
So it's like, oh yeah, in thefuture everything's gonna be
light and flowy and we're allgonna have mutual respect.
I'm like, okay, that's awesome,but also that's not how things
always pan out.
Right.
But if there's a bigger pushtowards that, like that's a cool
thing that's gonna manifest itdifferently.
You know, democracy orwhatever.
Um the uh it you saying thatlike really pushes me towards
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like the thing that I'm I'malways trying to wrap my head
around of that, like I reallyfeel like the model in when it
comes to learning or any spacelike this that the the hierarchy
of teacher master or I'm sorryof of master student is kind of
going away.
Yeah.
Because the the the role ofmaster is starting to feel a
(19:47):
little like unbalanced,egotistical.
Lauren (19:50):
Yes.
Frank (19:50):
And and also like that level of control is something
that we need to eliminate atthis point.
Erin (19:57):
Yeah.
Frank (19:59):
So I I love that.
And I'm and it's also difficultbecause when you are a
practitioner like you are, like,oh, you know, you are in a
position of power over theperson that that's like hiring
you, but also like it's it's100% your responsibility to make
sure that the playing field isis level and that you have a
like a mutual respect for thatperson.
So yeah.
Erin (20:19):
And and all my clients.
Yeah, no, like you're you'respot on.
Everything you're saying isspot on, and I totally agree
with you.
Like all of my clients, they'remy contemporaries.
A lot of them are give or taketen years on either side of I'm
44.
So it's you know, people inyour similar age.
Lauren (20:37):
I turn 44 in two months.
Erin (20:40):
You called it psychopsychic or something.
Well, and oh, and you guys hadlike the the one um you made a
sublime reference on one of thepodcast episodes, and I was
like, oh, clearly, like we gotwe have to be a similar age.
Lauren (20:52):
Sounds we all practice Santeria.
I remember it.
Yes, that's the title of theepisode.
Erin (21:01):
So um, you know, to me, like these are my
contemporaries, these are peoplethat are within my same age
group or even generation.
So I don't feel uh and I andalso like you know, we all have
ego to a degree, that's humannature.
I don't feel like it's corrector responsible, responsible to
(21:22):
be like, oh, we need to removeego.
No, like that's part of thehuman experience.
Lauren (21:26):
Right.
Erin (21:26):
And like you said, we have a responsibility in how we
check it and manage it.
But to me, like I, you know, alot of the people that I work
with come to find out they'regifted themselves, um, usually
with help from me.
So I'm like, I'm like, oh, youdidn't know?
Like, we could work on this,like, you know, whenever you
want to talk.
Like that's cool.
But so, like, to me, um, youknow, I'm working with people
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that are just not as far downthe path as I am.
And I love being a teacher, butalso it's just sharing my
experience or sharing myknowledge.
And I feel like in thislifetime or in this incarnation
of myself, and we could go downa whole rabbit hole with this,
so I'll try to keep it brief.
But in the in this incarnationof myself, I'm here this time to
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have as many life experiencesas possible to be able to assist
people through their challengesas well.
I've had a lot of hardship inmy life and a lot of different,
like really just just bad, badlife experiences.
And I mean, it there'ssomething to take from
everything, correct?
But also it's like when I havea client who, you know, I I was
(22:37):
in an abusive relationship, soI've experienced domestic
violence.
Um, I have a child with achronic illness, so I have the
experience of going throughthat.
I just like so many differentlife experiences that I feel
like this lifetime is for me toguide others so that next time I
come back, I can be a spiritguide instead of in the in the
(22:59):
vessel in the human form,basically.
Oh that's cool.
Lauren (23:03):
Yeah.
Frank (23:04):
That's fun.
Lauren (23:06):
Wait, what's your do you do you do human design?
Do you know human design?
Erin (23:10):
Um I did it, but I don't remember what it is.
I I yeah.
Lauren (23:14):
I'm I'm just curious if you're a similar if you have a
similar number in the profile asI do.
It's like a trial and errorthing where you're meant to
experience a lot of things andthen use the those hardships or
trauma or whatever to give uhwisdom, your wisdom to other
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people and like help themthrough it.
Erin (23:37):
That's cool.
Now I'm gonna have to go backand check after we're done
talking.
Frank (23:43):
We still haven't had a human design person on to talk
about it.
We've been talking about it forlike a year.
Lauren (23:48):
I know.
Frank (23:48):
We're not pros, we're we're just like fangirls.
Lauren (23:51):
And that's fair.
Frank (23:54):
Having like, yeah, it's it's very cool.
I have a bunch of apps on myphone.
I'm like, oh, that'sinteresting, cool.
But yeah.
Lauren (24:01):
Wait, I I just going back to the how do you know when
someone are you hearing fromtheir spirit team that like they
have abilities, like you said?
Like, how is how's thatinformation come?
Because I feel like I've heardthat a lot where people are
like, oh, a psychic told me.
Erin (24:21):
Yeah, it's definitely so anytime I'm doing a reading with
anyone, it's a collaborationbetween my team and their team.
Lauren (24:28):
Yeah.
Erin (24:29):
So um, and sometimes I'm taking the time to differentiate
who I'm communicating with, andsometimes I'm like, I'm just
gonna listen and whatever comesthrough, and I'm not like, oh,
is this your person or yourperson?
Lauren (24:40):
Yeah.
Erin (24:40):
Your spirit or my spirit.
I'm just like, okay, I'm gonnatake the information and give it
to you as it comes through, andwe're not gonna try to
overanalyze it unless we'redoing a spirit guide reading
specifically.
But um, but to me, like it itthere tends to be either like a
like a like a deep down knowing,like when I meet someone, it's
like, oh well, you're I see myreflection in you, or vice
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versa.
There's there tends to be likeit sometimes I'm communicated
with through their guides, butsometimes it's like I just
intuitively feel like like, oh,clearly you must have some kind
of gift as well.
And it it ends up being, Imean, nine times out of ten,
like no exaggeration.
Almost all my clients have somekind of ability.
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And I have I have clients fromall over the country.
Lauren (25:28):
That's so interesting.
I mean, it's like something'skind of like sparking them to go
push for more.
And you're like, you actuallydon't need me.
Erin (25:39):
But yeah, like I'm happy to facilitate, but also like you
have some stuff going on therethat apparently is yours.
Lauren (25:47):
Yeah.
Frank (25:47):
It's funny because over the course of like this podcast,
like we've you know, we we arealways talking about how like
everyone like I have marketingmaterial that says you are
psychic, like because it'sanybody, right?
It's just a matter of like howmuch you are uh attuned to it.
And by attuned, I don't mean inthe Reiki sense, I mean in like
I tuned tuned into it.
Sure.
(26:08):
And it's actually a question Iwanted to ask you about, like
your your past.
You're you were you like werein middle school seeing dead
people, right?
Yeah.
And at one point were you like,oh shit, like yeah, literally.
That's not everyone'sexperience, you know?
Erin (26:28):
Yeah, yeah.
And and also like I did know, Iguess, like on some level that
you can't just like go aroundand ask other little kids.
Like, I don't know, I I don'tknow if this was like my guides
protecting me from that, or butI mean I was always like the
little weirdo kid.
Like, yeah, I mean, from fromday one, like I was the weirdo
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kid, like, and I knew that I wasthe weirdo kid.
Like, I I figured out a way tochannel it and make it
performance.
So, and I mean that's part ofbeing a Leo Rising too.
Like, I can't, like thespotlight is me, whether I want
it or not.
So But like there there wasthis like understanding of like,
oh, this is not like politesociety to like go around
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talking about being able to talkto dead people.
Like, I I guess it's part of itis the way you're raised, part
of it is the the time that Igrew up in.
I think it's kind of like a mixof a few different things, but
I I knew like at first I waslike, oh, well, this is just
like you said, it's like, oh,this is my normal or like this
is normal to me.
But then when I started kind oflike looking around and I'm
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like, oh, other people are nothaving the same experience that
I'm having, and I can't likethen you go like you're kind of
like whispering at people, like,hey, like is this you too?
Like, do you like is am I likeis that person like over there
in the corner?
Like, and it's funny too,because as a fully developed
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like in tune with my gifts nowand and intentional and
purposeful with it, psychic, atthis stage, I don't typically
have people in the room with me,so to speak.
For the most part, it's likewatching it on TV.
Lauren (28:06):
Okay.
Erin (28:07):
So um, every now and again, someone that has a very
strong presence shows up at myhouse.
But like for the most part,it's very, it's very like I like
I'm almost like remote viewing,but like remote viewing
memories.
So like if I was doing areading for you and I was I was
looking for someone that youhave in spirit that's past, I
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would be looking at it from theeither the time that they were
living or maybe a time that wassignificant or important to
them.
So and I'm what and I'mwatching it as it looked then.
So if I was looking at the1970s, everything would be like
that brown, orange, and green.
Lauren (28:48):
Yeah.
Erin (28:49):
And I'm and I'm viewing it almost like the way that you
look at like the old picturesthat that have just like the
amber tones to them.
So like I'm seeing it more likeI'm more like I'm watching TV
or a movie than actually havingpeople like physically come
stand in the room with me.
But that's also a boundary thatI learned, kind of like how we
talked about before.
That it's like you don't haveto, you don't have to physically
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be standing next to me for usto communicate.
Lauren (29:15):
So when you were when did you start learning your
boundaries?
Like were you in middle school,like, all right, I I hey, I
gotta work, I gotta learn, orwas it after that?
Frank (29:26):
Like also I'm gonna I'm gonna tag on to that of at what
at any point did you was it justyour normal, or were you were
you did you were you shocked orafraid at any any point?
Because that could be a littlebit more.
Erin (29:44):
I should have been.
I know like I'm air quoting alot, but there's like some
things that it's like there'slike God, I guess like in
retrospect, maybe I should havebeen, but I just never I never
was.
And maybe that was like havinga really strong spirit team to
begin with, and or maybe it waskind of like always.
having an understanding atleast on a whatever level I
could for the age and stage Iwas at.
(30:05):
It was definitely not middleschool when I learned
boundaries.
It was much later, probablylike late 20s, early 30s, before
I really started going, okay,you guys can't like just show up
anytime.
Or like you can't wake me up inthe middle of the night.
Like I like I like I value mysleep.
So like we can't but I tellpeople that are early on in
their journey also that becausethey'll they'll give me that oh
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my God I woke up between threeand four in the morning and
that's very common when you'refirst starting out.
And I'm like, okay, so here'swhat you do.
If you get woken up by someonein the middle of the night you
say thanks for reaching out Ireally want to communicate with
you or I really want to developmy intuition or what however
those words look to you.
(30:48):
But um I promise to set anappointment with you for
tomorrow.
We'll talk at 4 p.m not 4 a.m.
Yeah and and it works and it'ssomething that I learned through
a through a contemporary or acolleague of mine like set the
appointment for the next day butthen you have to follow through
with it.
You can't just say I'm sleepingleave me alone I'll talk to you
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tomorrow and then not do it.
Because then they come backagain at 3 a.m and they're like
hey like we never talked are youstill billing me for that time
or are you I just there weretimes where it was a little
unnerving or a little strange umbecause and I mean this is
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still true even as as deep in interms of like my level of
experience now there's timeswhere I'm like it catches me off
guard or I'm not reallyexpecting it.
Yeah I was telling uh I did areading literally right before I
jumped on with you guys and Iwas telling my client about how
yesterday I was sitting andhaving a conversation with a
friend of mine and she and Iwere just like chatting and
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bouncing off of each other.
And this is um a friend of minewho has gotten readings from me
but we were just having anormal friend conversation
yesterday and uh she was sayingsomething and I was hearing the
words before she was saying themand I wasn't purposefully tuned
in.
I wasn't like trying to readher like none of that.
We were just like casuallytalking and I I went and like I
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looked at her and I was like Iheard that word before you said
it.
Like I knew you were going touse that specific word and it
was it's the kind of thing wherelike I guess trying to keep
like a level of like curiosityor a level of whimsy or a level
of however you want to describethis even when you have um as
much experience as a psychicmedium as I have there's still
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things that I'm like oh it'sneat that I can do that.
You know what I'm saying?
I'd be like that was cool.
Right.
And well and also it's greattoo like when somebody comes
back and validates you andthey're like so the thing that
you said was going to happenhappened and you're like oh it
did like like of course it didI'm psychic like that's my job
but also like oh it actually didyou know because sometimes you
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will read people and never hearfrom them again.
And other times you have peoplethat consistently get readings
with you weekly monthly bimonthly whatever whatever the
case may be but sometimes I Iwill not hear from someone from
for a year or more and they'llcome back and message me and be
like so I got married now I'mpregnant like everything that
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you saw for me and I'm like likeeverything at once I'm like
damn okay like I was waiting togive you the validation when I
had everything in a row and I'mlike I'm not mad at that.
That's pretty cool actuallyThat's cool.
Frank (33:28):
I was thinking I was thinking of when you're saying
you were hearing the wordsbefore your friend was saying
them.
And again with the radio DJthing you know when you talk to
someone and you make a you dolike you you take listener calls
that they have their radio ontoloud and there's like a yeah
there's a delay and you hear Iwas like oh man that's funny.
That reminds me of that yeahwhen when you are seeing um
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spirits do you see them as aliveor dead or does it depend um I
s I see them as so I will knowthat it's someone who has
passed.
Lauren (34:01):
Okay.
Erin (34:02):
Um but I see them looking as if they're alive.
So it's not like um it's sofunny because literally it's the
30th anniversary of Casper.
Yeah just watched Casper in thetheater this past weekend my me
and my family went.
And so it's not like nobody'stransparent nobody's like in in
like monotone colors or anythinglike that.
(34:24):
I I intuitively know thatthey're no longer living but
they don't they don't look likethey're not living.
Frank (34:32):
So when spirits are waking you up at night and
needing something or showing upwhen you're trying to like you
know make a cheese omelette andyou didn't make enough for two.
Lauren (34:43):
Yeah.
Erin (34:44):
What are your strategies for like setting energetic
boundaries and and and groundingyourself in all that so it's
funny because it comes back towhat we talked about before
direct communication right so Iliterally I used to be
self-conscious like oh it's kindof weird like I'm talking to no
one quote unquote like rightyeah because it's like you you
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know that they're present andthey're there but it feels still
weird to be verbalizing thingsout loud when there's no you're
you don't have a person standingliterally physically in the
room with you.
I had to kind of teach myselfto like get over that mental
hurdle or that mental hump oflike I'm just gonna say the
thing because I know that you'rereceiving it.
(35:27):
I have to get over the humanside of saying things out loud
to quote unquote no one there,but there is someone there.
You know what I'm saying?
Lauren (35:35):
Yeah.
Erin (35:37):
You know there have been times where out of exasperation
I I will be looking forsomething one of my favorite
stories to tell is I was inDollar Tree and I was looking
for a very specific candle.
They had they had a line ofchakra candles for a while and I
think I saw those and I would Iwould bring them to to my
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clients in person as a gift.
Frank (36:00):
Oh that's fun.
Erin (36:01):
Yeah so I went I stopped by a Dollar Tree on my way to an
appointment one day and I waslooking for a very specific
chakra and I scanned over andover and over and over and over
and I'm like looking at thisshelf and intuitively I felt
like it was there.
But visually I was not findingit and finally I threw my hands
(36:23):
up in the air and I said guideslike literally out loud in the
middle of the Dollar Tree andlike just show me where it is
like please just show me wherethe candle is I'm out of time I
need to go to my appointmentlike I cannot stand here and
like fool with this anymore.
And and I it wasn't even that Igot like a clear auditory
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answer.
It was that I reached all theway to the back of the shelf
directly in front of me andthere was that throat chakra
candle the entire time and Isaid thank you like literally I
looked up I did a wave like outloud again and I'm like I don't
give a shit if I look crazyright now.
Let people think whatever theywant I got the assistance that I
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was looking for.
Frank (37:09):
So being able to I'm like a little old lady with a
shopping cart like down thataisle or like an acne riddled 16
year old on the other aislelike who handed it through is
like oh you could have justasked you miss.
Erin (37:25):
I feel like getting over the and like we talk about Gen Z
a lot and the cringe thingright like getting over the
cringe of like what it's like orwhat it might look like or how
I'm perceived or whatever.
I think I think that again liketying it back to being a radio
personality for so long like Idon't give a shit what anyone
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thinks I look like or what orhow I'm coming off or like
whatever it is.
I'm literally just trying to Ifeel like when you're when you
communicate with your guidesdirectly clearly that even if
you're not auditorily receivingconfirmation they will reveal
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things to you in a way thatneeds to be revealed.
Like I said that day at DollarTree I did not get and and
remember I'm primarily clearaudience and I didn't even get
auditory confirmation.
I just went right to the spotpulled it out like like I should
have done the entire time.
It was crazy.
I it was literally like ithadn't been there and they
placed it there because I swearto you I went through every
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single candle in the entireshelf and didn't and then I just
reached in and there it was.
But the lesson was that Ineeded to ask directly and not
be afraid of what it looked likeor who was looking or how it
might be perceived.
So I feel like part of settingboundaries is communicating with
your guides regularly enoughthat it's not weird or they're
not hearing you for the firsttime if you make it commonplace
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or you make it part of yourroutine or you make it normal,
which normal is a relative termanyway.
If you make it part of yourroutine it's not as unusual and
they're more likely to be likeoh you're asking us directly for
assistance sure we can helpyou.
It's like it's literally likepart of being a human also right
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like when we when we're like ohI've got this myself like I
don't need any help.
And it's like we avoid askingand if we would have just asked
we would have gotten theinformation or gotten what we
needed so much sooner.
But there's like pride or egoor whatever in the way of like
instead of just asking for thething or asking directly we go
about it the long hard way whenwe kind of just asked.
Lauren (39:38):
Yeah.
So in the cheese omeletscenario would you just say like
I need space or like pleaselike give me this like kind of
shield or whatever.
Or like if you're going out Iknow I've heard from several
some of our listeners are veryempathic and um I've heard from
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them like it's hard for me tokind of protect myself out in
public or or whatever.
What what kind of advice do youhave for that maybe like before
going out and greeting theworld?
Erin (40:12):
So I feel like um early on before I knew how to do this
for myself I was I wasretroactively doing it instead
of proactively doing it.
So I like I I would getsomewhere and be like whoops I
forgot to shield and it couldbecause then it hits you.
Yeah and you're like oh here'severyone's everything all at
(40:34):
once like oh I feel anxious nowand I know it's not my anxiety
it's you know this person'sanxiety and this person's stress
and this person's upset.
So um I usually advised forpeople if you have the and a lot
of people don't I understandlike we're busy we're adults
like lots of stuff going on ashumans if you have the ability
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before your feet hit the floorin the morning shield yourself
before you even get out of bed.
Because that way you'restarting your day already
energetically protected.
Yeah if if you have a feel likeif I have the ability working
for myself and being freelanceto lay in bed for as long as I
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want do a meditation if I wantenergetically protect myself if
I want I I ease myself into myday.
Frank (41:26):
Not everyone has that ability I tell people that's
older kids.
Erin (41:35):
So um so I say if you can't do it before your feet hit
the floor and you're like anine to fiver type of person or
you're a commute type of person,do it on your commute.
Put um a Hertz frequency fromSpotify or YouTube on in the car
and obviously you can't likemeditate or close your eyes
because you're driving but youcan at least get into a better
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energetic space before you'reout into the larger world where
you're around a ton of people.
And instead is there a specificHertz that you would recommend
uh I would go with anythingupper chakra so third eye crown
even throat but mostly third eyeand crown because you're
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thinking about protecting thisspace from receiving and um
solar plexus would be good alsobecause that's your your empathy
center so to speak.
That's where you have yourconnection to others is through
your solar plexus.
So I feel like it's um the kindof thing where there's not
necessarily a wrong answer.
(42:40):
It's kind of intuitively choosewhat you feel like you need on
any particular day.
Lauren (42:44):
I feel like if everything is intention then
like you can't do it wrong ifyou are just setting the
intention of like protectingyourself or giving that that
energetic shield right correctyeah so the other thing I was
going to say is um to notstrictly shield but um to filter
so to think of it as a filterinstead because when you're
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fully and completely shieldingyou are blocking everything
positive and negative so if youwant to continue to receive
positive input you're thinkingof it as a filter instead of a
full on shield.
Erin (43:23):
So I'm filtering negative from reaching me but I'm still
allowing positive to come in.
Frank (43:28):
Do you have like a do you have like a mantra or something
or what what is your mentalstate for creating a a a shield
or a filter?
Erin (43:36):
So um I feel like it should be super simple like I
don't feel like you should say aton of stuff.
I usually just ask my guidesfor protection.
I'll be like I try to dogratitude first.
So thank you for giving methese gifts thank you for giving
me the ability to receiveinformation psychically thank
you for giving me the ability tohelp and heal others to guide
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others and and then please keepme safe please keep me protected
please you know I try to makeit like super simple because it
shouldn't be like I mean somepeople are very ritual and it's
funny that you mentioned likepaganism earlier because the the
entire reason I couldn't getinto like true witchiness is
because there's so much ritualbehind it and I'm very much so
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much ritual.
I'm like I'm never gonnaremember all this like and some
people are super good at it.
Like I have some friends thatare like oh and you have to you
have to do your circle and youhave to lay everything out and
I'm like that's cool and I lovethat for you but I need like 30
seconds where I can list all mygratitude thank my guides ask
(44:42):
for protection and then go aboutmy day I'm the same the the the
deep ritualism of like thewitchcraft is so uh it feels
like work.
Frank (44:55):
Yeah for sure again I'm a Sagittarius I'm allergic to
work.
Lauren (45:04):
That's a word relate.
Frank (45:06):
Yeah I love the vibes but like you know at the end of the
day you after doing all theresearch that we have with the
the the show and stuff it's likeoh that's salt and this and
that and I'm like well that'sfor intention and salt is a
crystal so I got plenty of thosealready it's like you know
there's it's just a witchcraftis a different brand of this you
know it's a very vibey brand.
(45:27):
Yeah it's like hey you want toare you a postmetal band or are
you emo?
Because the difference isyou're gonna swoop your hair
down in your face.
It's a look it's a vibe.
Yeah that's funny.
Lauren (45:41):
If there's a like spell or something that has like more
than three or four steps I'mlike I'm too tired.
Erin (45:50):
Well and again I think that goes back to like yeah like
the human experience thing thatwe were talking about before
like right at the end of the dayit's like we're parents we're
working we're trying to like youknow balance our personal life
and our professional life and doall of these things and
sometimes you're like damn I'mtired like I don't want to do a
whole ass ritual like time now.
Frank (46:11):
Yep like I'm like let me throw some rosemary and basil on
a green candle and get somemoney come in my way and call it
a yeah oh wait I like that yeahsuper simple rosemary and basil
on a green candle okay that Ican do yes now you're speaking
my language I have everythinghere we're good great and you
can use the stuff that's in yourcupboard you don't have to like
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like don't feel like oh I needto go to the the witch store or
the crystal store and get likelike basil is basil rosemary is
rosemary like sorry what wereyou gonna say oh I was gonna
just ask you more about likesome more of the the grounding
and shielding because I I wantto run something by you that I
found works for me and I want tosee uh having the limited
(46:54):
amount of tangible I'm more ofan I'm more of an emotional uh
intuitive I don't have like thetangible stuff always so I like
to ask people like you like ifthis do you have some
confirmation that this isactually functional.
Erin (47:10):
Okay.
Frank (47:11):
I used to do a lot of shielding and I'm like I I my
shield sucks my my my shield ismore of a cheese grater and it's
just like that's not good.
So something that I've foundsince I've I've learned more
about Reiki is uh there's agrounding exercise where you are
like calling in energy intoyour body and I always say it's
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like filling up your body likean ice cube tray.
Let it fill you up right andthen they also say but pull up
pull energy up from the groundand have it meet in the heart.
Yep and then in the heartcenter you then broadcast.
And I've found that I'm abetter broadcaster of energy
than I am a filter.
So if I can like exude apositivity it's more of like a a
(47:53):
more to me it feels like a moreradiating like pushing it out.
Yeah or yeah like pushing outlike good vibes that are
stronger than the bad vibes andhopefully I can influence the
people who are having those baddays around me rather than
trying to like you know put aput on a a suit of arm armor.
Erin (48:10):
That sounds completely logical to me yes okay yes I
love that actually and it'sfunny that you mentioned also
about like um uh drawing up fromthe earth because you can also
discharge back down right solike if you have if you feel
like oh I'm stuck here or I'mstuck here and you can visualize
like sending it back orreturning it back to the earth
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that's a good way as well.
Another thing is um finding theelement that you connect with
so you guys are both fire signs.
So it would be candle gazing orbuilding a bonfire or something
like that that connects you toyour element that helps you feel
grounded and cleared.
So like when you like for watersigns I find that almost all of
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them are like oh I'm going tothe beach to clear my energy or
I'm gonna take a shower andclear my energy and earth signs
are like I'm literally justgoing to sit down right here on
the ground.
Like my my vibe is like ohthere's some grass like this is
this is perfect like right herelike oh there's a lovely little
picnic table in the park andthere's nothing else around it
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I'm gonna sit at the table andjust put my feet down in the
earth.
And then air signs it's umusing either like the breeze or
using like um smoke cleansinglike using palosanto or sage or
something like that.
Frank (49:32):
So you this makes sense because sometimes when I'm
feeling big emotions I want tothrow myself into a fire.
Erin (49:38):
Utilizing your element is like it really helps and and
again I feel like a lot ofpeople do it and don't even
realize that like or don't makethe connection like oh I'm a
fire sign so I XYZ or I'm anearth sign so I ABC like I I
feel like some people just do itand don't even realize they're
doing it.
But there's so many differentways that you can ground and
(49:59):
clear yourself using elementsthat and it's like everyday
stuff like I said drinking aglass of water taking a shower
um eating dark chocolate and seasalt together.
Frank (50:12):
Yes please I mean yeah right can we and that works for
everybody.
That works for everybodyuniversal side this is actually
kind of funny because sincewe've hit autumn we I we whipped
out our box of fall decorationsso all the candles came out and
I've been lighting them upevery day but they're they're
all I have things lit behind meright here.
And you know like yesterday Iforgot to light them because I
(50:33):
was just I got busy likeimmediately.
Yeah and like I just felt Ifelt a little dead inside I'll
be honest.
Erin (50:40):
Yeah.
Frank (50:41):
So like today was literally the first thing I'm
like I've gonna make the kidsbreakfast nope candles first.
No starting the ritual yeah andit just makes it feel like our
house is more alive and like itit fills it fills my my joy it
fills up my joy cup a littlebit.
Yeah I love that and maybethat's maybe that's because of
little Sagittarius action.
Lauren (51:00):
Wait this is funny because Jean our daughter is a
Capricorn and she keeps blowingout the candles she's very
sensitive to smell so she's likecan I not smell that anymore
hold on I have to blow this oneout like that one doesn't even
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smell oh my god we're justbattling constantly that is
funny.
Erin (51:27):
Oh the other thing I was gonna say is if you um want to
try working directly with umeither archangels or elementals
or I go down the list and I'mlike spirit guides, ancestors
family members who have passeddragons mermaids fairies like
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whatever you feel pulled toenergetically there's been
different times throughout myspiritual practice where I'm
like oh I'm super interested inlike archangels or I'm super
interested in fairies orwhatever it is on any given time
there's like something draws meto it and then I find oh I
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needed um you know I'm justusing this as an example because
it's an easy one ArchangelMichael is protection like oh I
needed a little extra protectionso I'll visualize blue around
me and that's Michael.
Like that's the easiest way todo it.
Or I want to be um a littlemore uh whimsical or like
(52:33):
fanciful in my practice that'svery energy.
I am looking for um you knowthere's there's different um
also even going back to likewhat I was talking about with
like ancestors and familymembers, it's like, oh I know
that Uncle Pete was brilliant atlogic and organizing and I'm
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looking to be more organized inmy life.
So utilizing the strengths ofpeople or spirits in your team
or that you find yourself drawnto or interested in helps you to
better protect yourselfenergetically as well because
you're utilizing those strengthsfor those to become your
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strengths as well.
That's great.
Frank (53:19):
That is fun.
Yeah I just started and I'm I'mI'm back and forth on it.
I've talked about it on thepodcast a little bit but I
haven't fully jumped into ityet.
I just started a little bit ofan ancestor veneration practice.
I've mostly of grandparents andgreat grandparents.
So I just printed out a bunchof their phot I have like an
instant printer over here.
Printed out little photos ofthem when they were like at
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their best and I have a littlebox over there that I and I I
one of my grandparents did alike I think it was I just
learned about it.
I think it's called Spiritismbut in in Cuba so he was like a
a hands healer person.
Whatever their brand of thatwas never got to meet the guy.
But I have a picture of himover here and as I'm going into
my Reiki practice I'm like oh Ithink I'm gonna like light a
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candle and have a quickconversation just be like dude
can you help me out a little bitlike let's do this you know
yeah I'm actually pretty excitedto do that.
I haven't done it yet though.
Erin (54:09):
That's actually like exactly what I'm talking about.
Like what what you justdescribed is like that's it.
That's literally it.
And it it doesn't like I wassaying before it doesn't need to
be anything like crazy or overthe top literally just having
the picture and or visualizingthem.
And also um something that youmentioned about never having met
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him it doesn't necessarilymatter if you knew each other on
this plane of existence.
Our ancestors look out for usregardless.
So they have a a presence um inspirit to kind of look over us
and help guide us in the rightdirection.
So and and especially like whenyou feel connected to someone
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who you you share thatexperience with like you're both
healers it it just makes sense.
Like it makes good sense foryou to connect directly with
someone like that.
Frank (55:00):
Yeah.
Erin (55:01):
Although I have been warned that sometimes some
ancestors could overstep a bitbut I I don't I feel like it
comes from a like a good placelike and it's just like any
family member right where it'slike they want to give you
advice but it's kind of likeeither not applicable or it's
not it's not modern where it'slike oh maybe you should try
(55:23):
this practice and and then youhave to be like sir like this is
2025 like we can't do that.
Like what what you did likeback in in I don't know the 20s
40s 50s whatever like we don'tdo that anymore.
Frank (55:40):
I will not use leeches to cure that disease I don't care
what you say we don't do thatanymore.
Lauren (55:45):
We can't find that I don't know where the leeches are
anymore.
Frank (55:48):
Leeches were that's funny.
Lauren (55:53):
Oh my God.
What a delightful conversation.
Frank (55:56):
Yeah seriously thank you so much for hanging out with us
today.
Can you give everybody yourplugs to tell them where to find
you absolutely thank you.
Erin (56:02):
So you can check me out on Instagram it's at psychic
mediumAaron Lee.
I'm also on Facebook same thingPsychicMedium Aaron Lee um or
you can even text me directlythat's totally fine with me as
well it's 954 274 5477.
I just I love making newacquaintances and it was such a
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joy spending time with you guysand getting to know you and your
family.
Frank (56:30):
I am Aaron have a great rest of your day and we'll we'll
uh we'll catch you soon.
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In today's episode, we chattedwith Erin Lee, former radio DJ
turned professional psychicmedium.
We talked about her road tomediumship, creating energetic
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ground your energy withoutgetting lost in ritual overload.
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Hi, puppies.
Frank (01:01):
How are we?
Lauren (01:02):
Little angel puppies.
That's what I call my kids.
Frank (01:04):
You did it again.
I don't know how you do itevery single time.
You guys, you're beautiful.
Lauren (01:08):
You guys are beautiful people.
You are gorgeous.
Frank (01:12):
It's stunning.
Is the Met Gal is the Met Galhere?
Lauren (01:16):
What is happening?
Frank (01:17):
No, it's not.
You just look like this all thetime.
You woke up like this.
Lauren (01:20):
Your aura is shining and glowing like the moon.
Frank (01:24):
It's like glitter.
Lauren (01:25):
What the heck?
Well.
Okay.
Well, now that I'm energized byour our listeners and viewers,
Frank, do you have any updatesto share?
Frank (01:37):
I have a little update.
Lauren (01:38):
I feel like Frank has a little update.
Frank (01:42):
Hey guys, if you go to Claire Voyaging.com right now,
you can actually book me for aReiki session.
Lauren (01:50):
Oh, what?
Frank (01:51):
Yeah.
Lauren (01:52):
Are you serious?
Frank (01:53):
You can.
And let me throw something outreal quick though.
Lauren (01:56):
Go on.
Frank (01:56):
You might notice by my personality that I'm probably
not gonna Reiki the normal way.
Lauren (02:08):
He's got his own style, ladies and gentlemen.
Frank (02:11):
Yeah, and listen, like the actual Reiki element of it
really does resemble like Reiki,right?
But what I do integrate into myReiki is a little bit of like
discussion integration.
So you and I will kind of havea little chat.
We'll do a body scan, we'll doa little bit of chat just to
talk about what we're feelingand stuff like that.
And then the rest is justnormal Reiki.
So you you chill, but with thatthat conversation in mind.
Lauren (02:35):
You also have some interesting additional options.
One of which is like if youhave a family in your home that
you want to just have a groupReiki session for, like, that's
cool.
He'll do a group Reiki, orlike, I don't know.
Yeah, how's your office?
How open are they to groupReiki?
Frank (02:55):
True.
My big thing is always gonna belike, if uh I don't know, I
don't want uh pricing to be abarrier of any kind.
So if you're like, hey, I wantto have I can't afford like a
session, which happens, it'sfine, and you want to have just
a if you want to have 50 peopleover into your house and you you
buy a group session, I'll dothe group session, guys.
Lauren (03:13):
Wow.
Frank (03:14):
So you split the cost, you know, split the cost between
the pals.
Split these.
I don't mind.
Lauren (03:19):
Go have these go fifty f 50 to one.
Frank (03:23):
Yeah.
Listen, there's a lot offractions in there.
I have some other stuff.
Oh, oh, here's a fun one.
Uh, if you are a performer ofany kind, whether that's like
you're uh in a band or you'reyou have a keynote speech to
give or something, I do uh whatI call it Showtime Reiki.
How about that?
If you want active Reiki duringyour presentation, you don't
have to come online or you cansend me a live stream link link,
(03:44):
I'll watch you.
You get Reiki during thatthing.
You know, you got Frank's inyour corner during that period.
Isn't that cool?
I think that's cool.
Lauren (03:51):
Not even you don't even have to log into anything, just
receive.
That's cool.
Frank (03:56):
But I'm behind the scenes and I'll be there for you.
Lauren (03:58):
Yeah.
Frank (03:59):
I'm excited about that one.
I think that's cool.
I of all the performances thatwe've had and like going into
things with like that likeinsecurity of like, oh no, now I
have to be uh on stage.
Lauren (04:08):
If you knew someone was giving you Reiki the whole
entire time, you'd be like, I uhI am supported and taken care
of.
Frank (04:15):
I don't know, there's something there.
I feel very excited about thatone.
And then I'll send you arecording, obviously, of me
doing it.
Lauren (04:20):
And where can where can everyone go again?
Frank (04:22):
Go to Clarevoyagent.com, guys.
There's a a new it's gonna be aservices tab right now.
I think it says Reiki andCoaching.
Coaching, yeah.
Go up there.
Soon Lauren might have a littlebit of a little thing to
present it to you.
Lauren (04:34):
Soon we're working on it.
Behind the scenes.
Frank (04:38):
It's gonna be good.
Lauren (04:39):
Well, I think I think it's just about time to get to
our interview.
Sweet Erin, we really vibedwith her immediately.
Frank (04:48):
Ooh, talk about instant friend.
Lauren (04:50):
Just off the bat, like it was it's a good, it's a good,
good chat.
Frank (04:54):
Yeah.
Lauren (04:55):
So I'm excited for you to hear from her and hear some
of her tips.
Because that's good.
Frank (05:01):
You're gonna be you're gonna you're gonna be friends
with her too.
Yeah.
Lauren (05:04):
You're gonna like it.
You're gonna like it.
You're gonna like it.
You're gonna like it.
You're gonna like it.
You're gonna like it.
Aaron, so nice to meet youalready.
We're like excited to talk toyou.
Can you give us the goods onyour your backstory and we can
we can start there?
Erin (05:25):
Um it it was actually like middle school when I started
kind of realizing that um otherkids my age could not see dead
people.
So that's that's kind of likehow it started.
You kind of like have thismoment of clarity where you're
like, oh, so that wasn't likethat's not normal for you.
Cool, like that's good to know.
So um my my parents werelooking for a house.
(05:48):
They were, you know, middleclass looking to buy their first
home.
And we we were house huntingand they were dragging me along
as one will do when you're 11.
I was in middle school.
And um I had uh one house thatwe went into, I had a
premonition that someone hadpassed in the house.
And to me, this is very like,again, like being little, not
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really knowing, but also knowingand being like, oh, this is
just normal for me, like, youknow, seeing people pass through
and spirits.
Then I saw um, you know, likethere was a uh shotgun under the
couch, and I was like, well,that validates that something
went down here.
And um, you know, this was not,this was the 90s, there was not
a time to, you know, lookthings up on the internet and
(06:30):
find out if something hadhappened in this house.
So I I never got truevalidation, but um certainly the
way that I felt and for aslittle as I was, I uh begged my
parents not to buy that houseand we ended up getting a
different one.
So they did listen to it.
Lauren (06:45):
Yeah.
Erin (06:46):
Um, but you know, it was little like bits and pieces that
I was getting fed through myteenage years where I would be
in an antique store and see myreflection in the mirror, but it
was it was me, but it was notme.
Or um, I just got chills fromthat.
Yeah, like things that werepremonition, like I'd get in the
car and put the key in theignition and go, Oh, it's ACDC,
(07:07):
dirty deeds done dirt cheap.
And then the radio would comeon and it was literally ACDC,
dirty deeds done cheap.
And I'm like, Okay, well, likeit it was the kind of thing
where I'm like, I don't, youknow, when you're young or
you're a teenager, you're like,I don't know what to do with
this.
I don't have anyone.
I now have a teenager myselfwho, when he comes to me with
stuff like this, I'm like, ohyeah, so this is what you do, X,
(07:27):
Y, Z.
So it's a whole I didn't haveanyone to guide me.
So I I was kind of like flyingblind through those early years.
Um, and I, you know, I had awhole other career.
I was a radio DJ professionallyfor 20 years before I became a
full-time psychic medium.
Uh COVID hit and and they senteveryone home and they brought
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almost nobody back, and itchanged the entire landscape of
entertainment.
Lauren (07:51):
Oh wow.
Erin (07:52):
Um, and I had already been doing this work part-time um
since I got Reiki attuned in2015, but I'd been pulling cards
and stuff since like 2012.
And um, you know, it just kindof became like a natural
progression for me to starttaking on clients full-time and
make this my business.
I I had been kind of likeslowly crawling towards it for a
(08:16):
while, but I'm so passionateabout music that it was hard for
me to make the full leap untilUniverse said, shove, we're
doing it for you.
Lauren (08:23):
Yeah.
Oh my god.
First of all, you do have agreat radio voice.
Thank you.
Um oh, that's so cool.
So your parents did they didn'thave any and still don't like
they don't have any uh uhpsychic tendencies.
Erin (08:42):
No, nope, not at all.
Lauren (08:44):
How does it react to yours?
Erin (08:46):
Yeah.
So um super supportive.
Like my my dad's a verypractical guy.
He's a Taurus like me, so he'svery grounded, like like show me
the proof kind of person.
But there comes a point wherelike skepticism is healthy.
I invite it, I welcome it.
Again, like as a Taurus myself,I'm like, I I want some kind of
concrete evidence also.
(09:06):
But um, it gets to the pointwhere like you can't deny it
anymore when I'm telling youthings and then they come to
pass.
It's like, you know, so uh butmy mom was always um, you know,
some dabbled in spirituality andastrology and things like that.
So it wasn't like completelyforeign or like out of the
question, but um neither of themare gifted.
And and um I have uh familymembers on my mom's side who who
(09:30):
are also intuitive or gifted aswell, but don't do it
professionally like I do.
Lauren (09:35):
I don't know.
It's always nice to hear astory of like the parents are
like, great, they're going tosupport you, and like, you know,
maybe a little like, oh, thisis weird, but not like shutting
you down.
Erin (09:48):
And my grand my grandparents too, like, and I
mean that's you're talking aboutan older generation and they've
since passed, but but like evenyou know, my grandmother, it's
actually the anniversary of herpassing today.
Funny enough, I just thoughtit.
But wow, my grand, mygrandmother was very and she
Sagittarius, funny enough, likeyou guys.
So um, even coming from thatolder generation, she was like,
(10:10):
Oh yeah, like that's you know,cool, I'm open to it.
You want to draw some cards forme?
Like, let's like let's do this.
Like, so you know, I'm verythankful that my family wasn't
like, okay, weirdo, like Ididn't, I mean, like, yeah,
that's true still, but but um,you know, it my dad was like,
uh, but you know, we paid for adegree for you when you went to
college.
Like, that's the that's thepractical Taurus, right?
(10:31):
Yeah, right.
And I was like, well, I mean,I'm still doing stuff in music,
so like you know, does thatcount?
Like, can I just have can I doboth?
Can I have both?
Lauren (10:40):
So just did you so like you got into music or the DJing,
and um was there where was thelike even just doing part-time
like mediumship and takingclients and stuff, like what was
the impetus to like moveforward with that?
Was it just like, I think I'llthink I'll do this?
(11:00):
I'm sensing it anyway.
Erin (11:02):
So there was um uh just a part of it was like meeting
people like along my path thatwere like it it it it becomes
like like I said before, likeundeniable that this is what
you're supposed to be doing.
Lauren (11:14):
Yeah.
Erin (11:14):
So um I made friends with a woman who um her aunt is a
Reiki master and she was a Reikitoo when I met her.
And um I had kind of alreadybeen hearing about it and
interested in in getting a tunemyself.
And then I met these people andI was like, oh, I was supposed
to meet you to learn.
(11:35):
Like it becomes evident, likekind of like on your path, like
when when people, you know, whenyou meet people or when when
you kind of like interact withpeople, like, oh, this is the
moment I was waiting for, orlike this is what the door that
needed to open before I couldtake the next step.
Lauren (11:50):
Yeah.
Erin (11:50):
Um and you know, even working in radio, like I would
be in the studio um, you know,by myself recording something to
to that would play on airlater, and I'd just be standing
there like doing my show prep orkind of whatever, and I would
hear my guides, I'm clearaudience primarily.
So I would hear like a messageto check on someone, and it was
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people I worked with at theradio station.
So I'm checking on people andthen finding out that they have
stuff going on.
There was someone on aparticular day that I work with
that our families have kidsaround the same age and they
played together and whatever,and I noticed he wasn't in the
office that day.
And he was in sales, so that'snot unusual for them to kind of
be out and about, like meetingwith other clients and whatever.
(12:33):
But I was like, I texted him, Iwas like, Hey, uh, you know,
I'm just checking on you,haven't seen you today.
I've I felt pushed to like justsee how you're doing.
And he's like, I'm literallystanding on the side of the
road.
I just had a car accident.
And I said, Oh my God.
I was like, so I said, Was itaround this time?
And he goes, Yeah, like withinfive or ten minutes.
And I was like, okay, because Ifirst started hearing that I
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needed to check on you.
And again, you know, working inentertainment, a lot of people
are already inclined tospirituality or inclined to
astrology and things of thatnature anyway.
So it's not weird for me totext people that already knew
that I leaned in that directionas it is.
So but it's like feeling outlike who's gonna be cool with me
checking on them and beinglike, hey, like I heard to see
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how you're doing.
So, you know, when it when itbecomes like when you're
constantly getting hit withmessages like this, or you know,
check in with your people, orwhatever the case may be, it
gets to the point where you'relike, I I need to be doing this.
Like it's very clear that it'snot a hobby any longer, or it's
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not something to do casually,it's it's my life's work or my
calling.
Lauren (13:40):
Yeah.
Frank (13:40):
Well, this is kind of hold on.
So you're saying primarilyclear audience and you have and
you were a radio DJ.
Erin (13:47):
Yeah.
Frank (13:48):
I mean, were you Was there ever like a time when
you're like listening to youryour playlist and you're like,
hey, coworker, you know what myfavorite lyric of the song?
You know when you know whenFreddie Mercury goes, uh help
me, help me, please help me.
You're the only one that canhear me.
Lauren (14:06):
Did you ever experience that?
That happened every single timeshe's listening to the same
Freddie Mercury.
Erin (14:17):
So there's definitely a degree of like catching messages
in the music for sure.
Lauren (14:23):
Yeah.
Erin (14:24):
And and there's also a degree of like having worked in
radio, meeting artists directly,like on this plane of
existence, not that the past,just for clearly.
Oh, yeah.
Um, and and then there's alevel of understanding that you
have as a psychic or intuitiveperson that it's like here's
here's the interaction I'mhaving face to face with you,
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and then here's kind of what I'mreceiving intuitively or in the
background.
And I I try to like not be onat all times.
Like I don't, I have theability, not, and not all
psychics do, to flip the switchon and off.
Like some people are open andreceiving information at all
times, whereas I have reallygood energetic boundaries where
I'm like, we're not doing thisright now.
(15:06):
Like, I'm just being a humanbeing.
Like I don't need to be, Idon't need to be open or on at
all times and receiving messagesabout your dead grandma like at
Publix or whatever.
Lauren (15:16):
It's like so it's it's did you do like doing that?
Did you do um did you find likeum a mentor or a teacher or
something like as far asmediumship, like to develop that
and to get to turning off yourswitch?
Erin (15:34):
Yeah, absolutely.
So um it, I mean, technicallyit started with John Edward
watching John Edward on TV.
Oh right.
So yeah, amazing.
And like super like directcommunicator, which I'm a direct
communicator too, so Iappreciate that style.
Um, can you explain what thatis?
Um what direct communication?
Yeah, yeah.
(15:54):
So like when you um when youdon't use like flowery words or
you don't um like when you whenyou direct communicate, it it's
like I'm telling you exactlylike it is.
I'm not like softening it orsugarcoating it.
Like I'm giving you directinformation without all of the
fluff.
Frank (16:11):
Okay.
Erin (16:12):
So and that's not exclusive to being psychic,
that's just how I communicate ingeneral.
Frank (16:16):
Sure, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Lauren (16:17):
So like you're not filtering it through you're not
being like too gentle with likeYeah.
Erin (16:26):
Well, I mean, uh I find, you know, the longer I do this,
I find that some people do needa softer approach, and that's
fine.
But I'm never gonna like tellyou, oh, you're gonna find the
love of your life next week ifthat's not in the cards for you.
Like I try to be grounded andpractical in the information
that I give when I'mcommunicating during a reading.
And that's like I said, goesback to why I liked John Edwards
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so much because I saw himgiving very clear and direct
information, and there's nolike, you know, flowery, fluffy
stuff going on.
He's very like rapid fire theway he reads.
And I, you know, I was ateenager watching him on
television.
Crossing over was big when Iwas a kid.
Lauren (17:04):
Yeah.
Erin (17:04):
Um, and then you know, subsequently I I met people um
through a uh class that I tookonline on Zoom through Thomas
John, who's also uh a fairlyrenowned psychic medium on a
national level.
And um we took a class withThomas and then uh several of
the people who were students ofhis, this was during lockdown
(17:26):
when everything was on Zoom.
Um, you know, we formed like agroup chat and and uh I joke
about this a lot because there'sonly so many people that you
can message the group chat andlike take a picture and be like,
hey, what do you see in thecorner over here in my room?
Or like, or like, oh, your youraunt wants to say hi for a
minute, who passed away, youknow, 25 years ago.
(17:47):
Right.
Lauren (17:48):
Oh wow.
Erin (17:49):
So um uh, you know, I I made some friends and mentors
through um things like that.
And then also, you know, likeon a local level, um, I've had
the pleasure of working withsome people that uh I really do
feel that um we're alwayslearning from each other.
Like we all can stand to learnthings from each other.
I don't see it as like teacherand student, I see us all as
(18:12):
students of one another.
Frank (18:14):
Yeah.
Listen.
Lauren (18:21):
I feel like you just talked about this recently.
Frank (18:23):
I talk well, because I've been I talk about it nonstop.
Yeah.
I the it very much feels likeyou know, everyone we uh we
started, we asked this questionuh at the very beginning of when
we first started the podcast oflike, you know, I keep hearing
like a lot of um very intuitivepeople are are talking about how
they feel like the world isshifting in a in a direction.
Like, what do you think it'sshifting to?
And you get a lot of like youget a lot of uh weird answers
(18:46):
because you know, there's the uhand I've come to understand
like the the energy of whatyou're feeling doesn't quite
necessarily translate to likehow things 3D manifest, right?
Erin (18:56):
Yes.
Frank (18:58):
Yeah.
So it's like, oh yeah, in thefuture everything's gonna be
light and flowy and we're allgonna have mutual respect.
I'm like, okay, that's awesome,but also that's not how things
always pan out.
Right.
But if there's a bigger pushtowards that, like that's a cool
thing that's gonna manifest itdifferently.
You know, democracy orwhatever.
Um the uh it you saying thatlike really pushes me towards
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like the thing that I'm I'malways trying to wrap my head
around of that, like I reallyfeel like the model in when it
comes to learning or any spacelike this that the the hierarchy
of teacher master or I'm sorryof of master student is kind of
going away.
Yeah.
Because the the the role ofmaster is starting to feel a
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little like unbalanced,egotistical.
Lauren (19:50):
Yes.
Frank (19:50):
And and also like that level of control is something
that we need to eliminate atthis point.
Erin (19:57):
Yeah.
Frank (19:59):
So I I love that.
And I'm and it's also difficultbecause when you are a
practitioner like you are, like,oh, you know, you are in a
position of power over theperson that that's like hiring
you, but also like it's it's100% your responsibility to make
sure that the playing field isis level and that you have a
like a mutual respect for thatperson.
So yeah.
Erin (20:19):
And and all my clients.
Yeah, no, like you're you'respot on.
Everything you're saying isspot on, and I totally agree
with you.
Like all of my clients, they'remy contemporaries.
A lot of them are give or taketen years on either side of I'm
44.
So it's you know, people inyour similar age.
Lauren (20:37):
I turn 44 in two months.
Erin (20:40):
You called it psychopsychic or something.
Well, and oh, and you guys hadlike the the one um you made a
sublime reference on one of thepodcast episodes, and I was
like, oh, clearly, like we gotwe have to be a similar age.
Lauren (20:52):
Sounds we all practice Santeria.
I remember it.
Yes, that's the title of theepisode.
Erin (21:01):
So um, you know, to me, like these are my
contemporaries, these are peoplethat are within my same age
group or even generation.
So I don't feel uh and I andalso like you know, we all have
ego to a degree, that's humannature.
I don't feel like it's corrector responsible, responsible to
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be like, oh, we need to removeego.
No, like that's part of thehuman experience.
Lauren (21:26):
Right.
Erin (21:26):
And like you said, we have a responsibility in how we
check it and manage it.
But to me, like I, you know, alot of the people that I work
with come to find out they'regifted themselves, um, usually
with help from me.
So I'm like, I'm like, oh, youdidn't know?
Like, we could work on this,like, you know, whenever you
want to talk.
Like that's cool.
But so, like, to me, um, youknow, I'm working with people
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that are just not as far downthe path as I am.
And I love being a teacher, butalso it's just sharing my
experience or sharing myknowledge.
And I feel like in thislifetime or in this incarnation
of myself, and we could go downa whole rabbit hole with this,
so I'll try to keep it brief.
But in the in this incarnationof myself, I'm here this time to
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have as many life experiencesas possible to be able to assist
people through their challengesas well.
I've had a lot of hardship inmy life and a lot of different,
like really just just bad, badlife experiences.
And I mean, it there'ssomething to take from
everything, correct?
But also it's like when I havea client who, you know, I I was
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in an abusive relationship, soI've experienced domestic
violence.
Um, I have a child with achronic illness, so I have the
experience of going throughthat.
I just like so many differentlife experiences that I feel
like this lifetime is for me toguide others so that next time I
come back, I can be a spiritguide instead of in the in the
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vessel in the human form,basically.
Oh that's cool.
Lauren (23:03):
Yeah.
Frank (23:04):
That's fun.
Lauren (23:06):
Wait, what's your do you do you do human design?
Do you know human design?
Erin (23:10):
Um I did it, but I don't remember what it is.
I I yeah.
Lauren (23:14):
I'm I'm just curious if you're a similar if you have a
similar number in the profile asI do.
It's like a trial and errorthing where you're meant to
experience a lot of things andthen use the those hardships or
trauma or whatever to give uhwisdom, your wisdom to other
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people and like help themthrough it.
Erin (23:37):
That's cool.
Now I'm gonna have to go backand check after we're done
talking.
Frank (23:43):
We still haven't had a human design person on to talk
about it.
We've been talking about it forlike a year.
Lauren (23:48):
I know.
Frank (23:48):
We're not pros, we're we're just like fangirls.
Lauren (23:51):
And that's fair.
Frank (23:54):
Having like, yeah, it's it's very cool.
I have a bunch of apps on myphone.
I'm like, oh, that'sinteresting, cool.
But yeah.
Lauren (24:01):
Wait, I I just going back to the how do you know when
someone are you hearing fromtheir spirit team that like they
have abilities, like you said?
Like, how is how's thatinformation come?
Because I feel like I've heardthat a lot where people are
like, oh, a psychic told me.
Erin (24:21):
Yeah, it's definitely so anytime I'm doing a reading with
anyone, it's a collaborationbetween my team and their team.
Lauren (24:28):
Yeah.
Erin (24:29):
So um, and sometimes I'm taking the time to differentiate
who I'm communicating with, andsometimes I'm like, I'm just
gonna listen and whatever comesthrough, and I'm not like, oh,
is this your person or yourperson?
Lauren (24:40):
Yeah.
Erin (24:40):
Your spirit or my spirit.
I'm just like, okay, I'm gonnatake the information and give it
to you as it comes through, andwe're not gonna try to
overanalyze it unless we'redoing a spirit guide reading
specifically.
But um, but to me, like it itthere tends to be either like a
like a like a deep down knowing,like when I meet someone, it's
like, oh well, you're I see myreflection in you, or vice
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versa.
There's there tends to be likeit sometimes I'm communicated
with through their guides, butsometimes it's like I just
intuitively feel like like, oh,clearly you must have some kind
of gift as well.
And it it ends up being, Imean, nine times out of ten,
like no exaggeration.
Almost all my clients have somekind of ability.
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And I have I have clients fromall over the country.
Lauren (25:28):
That's so interesting.
I mean, it's like something'skind of like sparking them to go
push for more.
And you're like, you actuallydon't need me.
Erin (25:39):
But yeah, like I'm happy to facilitate, but also like you
have some stuff going on therethat apparently is yours.
Lauren (25:47):
Yeah.
Frank (25:47):
It's funny because over the course of like this podcast,
like we've you know, we we arealways talking about how like
everyone like I have marketingmaterial that says you are
psychic, like because it'sanybody, right?
It's just a matter of like howmuch you are uh attuned to it.
And by attuned, I don't mean inthe Reiki sense, I mean in like
I tuned tuned into it.
Sure.
(26:08):
And it's actually a question Iwanted to ask you about, like
your your past.
You're you were you like werein middle school seeing dead
people, right?
Yeah.
And at one point were you like,oh shit, like yeah, literally.
That's not everyone'sexperience, you know?
Erin (26:28):
Yeah, yeah.
And and also like I did know, Iguess, like on some level that
you can't just like go aroundand ask other little kids.
Like, I don't know, I I don'tknow if this was like my guides
protecting me from that, or butI mean I was always like the
little weirdo kid.
Like, yeah, I mean, from fromday one, like I was the weirdo
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kid, like, and I knew that I wasthe weirdo kid.
Like, I I figured out a way tochannel it and make it
performance.
So, and I mean that's part ofbeing a Leo Rising too.
Like, I can't, like thespotlight is me, whether I want
it or not.
So But like there there wasthis like understanding of like,
oh, this is not like politesociety to like go around
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talking about being able to talkto dead people.
Like, I I guess it's part of itis the way you're raised, part
of it is the the time that Igrew up in.
I think it's kind of like a mixof a few different things, but
I I knew like at first I waslike, oh, well, this is just
like you said, it's like, oh,this is my normal or like this
is normal to me.
But then when I started kind oflike looking around and I'm
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like, oh, other people are nothaving the same experience that
I'm having, and I can't likethen you go like you're kind of
like whispering at people, like,hey, like is this you too?
Like, do you like is am I likeis that person like over there
in the corner?
Like, and it's funny too,because as a fully developed
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like in tune with my gifts nowand and intentional and
purposeful with it, psychic, atthis stage, I don't typically
have people in the room with me,so to speak.
For the most part, it's likewatching it on TV.
Lauren (28:06):
Okay.
Erin (28:07):
So um, every now and again, someone that has a very
strong presence shows up at myhouse.
But like for the most part,it's very, it's very like I like
I'm almost like remote viewing,but like remote viewing
memories.
So like if I was doing areading for you and I was I was
looking for someone that youhave in spirit that's past, I
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would be looking at it from theeither the time that they were
living or maybe a time that wassignificant or important to
them.
So and I'm what and I'mwatching it as it looked then.
So if I was looking at the1970s, everything would be like
that brown, orange, and green.
Lauren (28:48):
Yeah.
Erin (28:49):
And I'm and I'm viewing it almost like the way that you
look at like the old picturesthat that have just like the
amber tones to them.
So like I'm seeing it more likeI'm more like I'm watching TV
or a movie than actually havingpeople like physically come
stand in the room with me.
But that's also a boundary thatI learned, kind of like how we
talked about before.
That it's like you don't haveto, you don't have to physically
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be standing next to me for usto communicate.
Lauren (29:15):
So when you were when did you start learning your
boundaries?
Like were you in middle school,like, all right, I I hey, I
gotta work, I gotta learn, orwas it after that?
Frank (29:26):
Like also I'm gonna I'm gonna tag on to that of at what
at any point did you was it justyour normal, or were you were
you did you were you shocked orafraid at any any point?
Because that could be a littlebit more.
Erin (29:44):
I should have been.
I know like I'm air quoting alot, but there's like some
things that it's like there'slike God, I guess like in
retrospect, maybe I should havebeen, but I just never I never
was.
And maybe that was like havinga really strong spirit team to
begin with, and or maybe it waskind of like always.
having an understanding atleast on a whatever level I
could for the age and stage Iwas at.
(30:05):
It was definitely not middleschool when I learned
boundaries.
It was much later, probablylike late 20s, early 30s, before
I really started going, okay,you guys can't like just show up
anytime.
Or like you can't wake me up inthe middle of the night.
Like I like I like I value mysleep.
So like we can't but I tellpeople that are early on in
their journey also that becausethey'll they'll give me that oh
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my God I woke up between threeand four in the morning and
that's very common when you'refirst starting out.
And I'm like, okay, so here'swhat you do.
If you get woken up by someonein the middle of the night you
say thanks for reaching out Ireally want to communicate with
you or I really want to developmy intuition or what however
those words look to you.
(30:48):
But um I promise to set anappointment with you for
tomorrow.
We'll talk at 4 p.m not 4 a.m.
Yeah and and it works and it'ssomething that I learned through
a through a contemporary or acolleague of mine like set the
appointment for the next day butthen you have to follow through
with it.
You can't just say I'm sleepingleave me alone I'll talk to you
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tomorrow and then not do it.
Because then they come backagain at 3 a.m and they're like
hey like we never talked are youstill billing me for that time
or are you I just there weretimes where it was a little
unnerving or a little strange umbecause and I mean this is
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still true even as as deep in interms of like my level of
experience now there's timeswhere I'm like it catches me off
guard or I'm not reallyexpecting it.
Yeah I was telling uh I did areading literally right before I
jumped on with you guys and Iwas telling my client about how
yesterday I was sitting andhaving a conversation with a
friend of mine and she and Iwere just like chatting and
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bouncing off of each other.
And this is um a friend of minewho has gotten readings from me
but we were just having anormal friend conversation
yesterday and uh she was sayingsomething and I was hearing the
words before she was saying themand I wasn't purposefully tuned
in.
I wasn't like trying to readher like none of that.
We were just like casuallytalking and I I went and like I
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looked at her and I was like Iheard that word before you said
it.
Like I knew you were going touse that specific word and it
was it's the kind of thing wherelike I guess trying to keep
like a level of like curiosityor a level of whimsy or a level
of however you want to describethis even when you have um as
much experience as a psychicmedium as I have there's still
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things that I'm like oh it'sneat that I can do that.
You know what I'm saying?
I'd be like that was cool.
Right.
And well and also it's greattoo like when somebody comes
back and validates you andthey're like so the thing that
you said was going to happenhappened and you're like oh it
did like like of course it didI'm psychic like that's my job
but also like oh it actually didyou know because sometimes you
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will read people and never hearfrom them again.
And other times you have peoplethat consistently get readings
with you weekly monthly bimonthly whatever whatever the
case may be but sometimes I Iwill not hear from someone from
for a year or more and they'llcome back and message me and be
like so I got married now I'mpregnant like everything that
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you saw for me and I'm like likeeverything at once I'm like
damn okay like I was waiting togive you the validation when I
had everything in a row and I'mlike I'm not mad at that.
That's pretty cool actuallyThat's cool.
Frank (33:28):
I was thinking I was thinking of when you're saying
you were hearing the wordsbefore your friend was saying
them.
And again with the radio DJthing you know when you talk to
someone and you make a you dolike you you take listener calls
that they have their radio ontoloud and there's like a yeah
there's a delay and you hear Iwas like oh man that's funny.
That reminds me of that yeahwhen when you are seeing um
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spirits do you see them as aliveor dead or does it depend um I
s I see them as so I will knowthat it's someone who has
passed.
Lauren (34:01):
Okay.
Erin (34:02):
Um but I see them looking as if they're alive.
So it's not like um it's sofunny because literally it's the
30th anniversary of Casper.
Yeah just watched Casper in thetheater this past weekend my me
and my family went.
And so it's not like nobody'stransparent nobody's like in in
like monotone colors or anythinglike that.
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I I intuitively know thatthey're no longer living but
they don't they don't look likethey're not living.
Frank (34:32):
So when spirits are waking you up at night and
needing something or showing upwhen you're trying to like you
know make a cheese omelette andyou didn't make enough for two.
Lauren (34:43):
Yeah.
Erin (34:44):
What are your strategies for like setting energetic
boundaries and and and groundingyourself in all that so it's
funny because it comes back towhat we talked about before
direct communication right so Iliterally I used to be
self-conscious like oh it's kindof weird like I'm talking to no
one quote unquote like rightyeah because it's like you you
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know that they're present andthey're there but it feels still
weird to be verbalizing thingsout loud when there's no you're
you don't have a person standingliterally physically in the
room with you.
I had to kind of teach myselfto like get over that mental
hurdle or that mental hump oflike I'm just gonna say the
thing because I know that you'rereceiving it.
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I have to get over the humanside of saying things out loud
to quote unquote no one there,but there is someone there.
You know what I'm saying?
Lauren (35:35):
Yeah.
Erin (35:37):
You know there have been times where out of exasperation
I I will be looking forsomething one of my favorite
stories to tell is I was inDollar Tree and I was looking
for a very specific candle.
They had they had a line ofchakra candles for a while and I
think I saw those and I would Iwould bring them to to my
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clients in person as a gift.
Frank (36:00):
Oh that's fun.
Erin (36:01):
Yeah so I went I stopped by a Dollar Tree on my way to an
appointment one day and I waslooking for a very specific
chakra and I scanned over andover and over and over and over
and I'm like looking at thisshelf and intuitively I felt
like it was there.
But visually I was not findingit and finally I threw my hands
(36:23):
up in the air and I said guideslike literally out loud in the
middle of the Dollar Tree andlike just show me where it is
like please just show me wherethe candle is I'm out of time I
need to go to my appointmentlike I cannot stand here and
like fool with this anymore.
And and I it wasn't even that Igot like a clear auditory
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answer.
It was that I reached all theway to the back of the shelf
directly in front of me andthere was that throat chakra
candle the entire time and Isaid thank you like literally I
looked up I did a wave like outloud again and I'm like I don't
give a shit if I look crazyright now.
Let people think whatever theywant I got the assistance that I
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was looking for.
Frank (37:09):
So being able to I'm like a little old lady with a
shopping cart like down thataisle or like an acne riddled 16
year old on the other aislelike who handed it through is
like oh you could have justasked you miss.
Erin (37:25):
I feel like getting over the and like we talk about Gen Z
a lot and the cringe thingright like getting over the
cringe of like what it's like orwhat it might look like or how
I'm perceived or whatever.
I think I think that again liketying it back to being a radio
personality for so long like Idon't give a shit what anyone
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thinks I look like or what orhow I'm coming off or like
whatever it is.
I'm literally just trying to Ifeel like when you're when you
communicate with your guidesdirectly clearly that even if
you're not auditorily receivingconfirmation they will reveal
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things to you in a way thatneeds to be revealed.
Like I said that day at DollarTree I did not get and and
remember I'm primarily clearaudience and I didn't even get
auditory confirmation.
I just went right to the spotpulled it out like like I should
have done the entire time.
It was crazy.
I it was literally like ithadn't been there and they
placed it there because I swearto you I went through every
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single candle in the entireshelf and didn't and then I just
reached in and there it was.
But the lesson was that Ineeded to ask directly and not
be afraid of what it looked likeor who was looking or how it
might be perceived.
So I feel like part of settingboundaries is communicating with
your guides regularly enoughthat it's not weird or they're
not hearing you for the firsttime if you make it commonplace
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or you make it part of yourroutine or you make it normal,
which normal is a relative termanyway.
If you make it part of yourroutine it's not as unusual and
they're more likely to be likeoh you're asking us directly for
assistance sure we can helpyou.
It's like it's literally likepart of being a human also right
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like when we when we're like ohI've got this myself like I
don't need any help.
And it's like we avoid askingand if we would have just asked
we would have gotten theinformation or gotten what we
needed so much sooner.
But there's like pride or egoor whatever in the way of like
instead of just asking for thething or asking directly we go
about it the long hard way whenwe kind of just asked.
Lauren (39:38):
Yeah.
So in the cheese omeletscenario would you just say like
I need space or like pleaselike give me this like kind of
shield or whatever.
Or like if you're going out Iknow I've heard from several
some of our listeners are veryempathic and um I've heard from
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them like it's hard for me tokind of protect myself out in
public or or whatever.
What what kind of advice do youhave for that maybe like before
going out and greeting theworld?
Erin (40:12):
So I feel like um early on before I knew how to do this
for myself I was I wasretroactively doing it instead
of proactively doing it.
So I like I I would getsomewhere and be like whoops I
forgot to shield and it couldbecause then it hits you.
Yeah and you're like oh here'severyone's everything all at
(40:34):
once like oh I feel anxious nowand I know it's not my anxiety
it's you know this person'sanxiety and this person's stress
and this person's upset.
So um I usually advised forpeople if you have the and a lot
of people don't I understandlike we're busy we're adults
like lots of stuff going on ashumans if you have the ability
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before your feet hit the floorin the morning shield yourself
before you even get out of bed.
Because that way you'restarting your day already
energetically protected.
Yeah if if you have a feel likeif I have the ability working
for myself and being freelanceto lay in bed for as long as I
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want do a meditation if I wantenergetically protect myself if
I want I I ease myself into myday.
Frank (41:26):
Not everyone has that ability I tell people that's
older kids.
Erin (41:35):
So um so I say if you can't do it before your feet hit
the floor and you're like anine to fiver type of person or
you're a commute type of person,do it on your commute.
Put um a Hertz frequency fromSpotify or YouTube on in the car
and obviously you can't likemeditate or close your eyes
because you're driving but youcan at least get into a better
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energetic space before you'reout into the larger world where
you're around a ton of people.
And instead is there a specificHertz that you would recommend
uh I would go with anythingupper chakra so third eye crown
even throat but mostly third eyeand crown because you're
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thinking about protecting thisspace from receiving and um
solar plexus would be good alsobecause that's your your empathy
center so to speak.
That's where you have yourconnection to others is through
your solar plexus.
So I feel like it's um the kindof thing where there's not
necessarily a wrong answer.
(42:40):
It's kind of intuitively choosewhat you feel like you need on
any particular day.
Lauren (42:44):
I feel like if everything is intention then
like you can't do it wrong ifyou are just setting the
intention of like protectingyourself or giving that that
energetic shield right correctyeah so the other thing I was
going to say is um to notstrictly shield but um to filter
so to think of it as a filterinstead because when you're
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fully and completely shieldingyou are blocking everything
positive and negative so if youwant to continue to receive
positive input you're thinkingof it as a filter instead of a
full on shield.
Erin (43:23):
So I'm filtering negative from reaching me but I'm still
allowing positive to come in.
Frank (43:28):
Do you have like a do you have like a mantra or something
or what what is your mentalstate for creating a a a shield
or a filter?
Erin (43:36):
So um I feel like it should be super simple like I
don't feel like you should say aton of stuff.
I usually just ask my guidesfor protection.
I'll be like I try to dogratitude first.
So thank you for giving methese gifts thank you for giving
me the ability to receiveinformation psychically thank
you for giving me the ability tohelp and heal others to guide
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others and and then please keepme safe please keep me protected
please you know I try to makeit like super simple because it
shouldn't be like I mean somepeople are very ritual and it's
funny that you mentioned likepaganism earlier because the the
entire reason I couldn't getinto like true witchiness is
because there's so much ritualbehind it and I'm very much so
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much ritual.
I'm like I'm never gonnaremember all this like and some
people are super good at it.
Like I have some friends thatare like oh and you have to you
have to do your circle and youhave to lay everything out and
I'm like that's cool and I lovethat for you but I need like 30
seconds where I can list all mygratitude thank my guides ask
(44:42):
for protection and then go aboutmy day I'm the same the the the
deep ritualism of like thewitchcraft is so uh it feels
like work.
Frank (44:55):
Yeah for sure again I'm a Sagittarius I'm allergic to
work.
Lauren (45:04):
That's a word relate.
Frank (45:06):
Yeah I love the vibes but like you know at the end of the
day you after doing all theresearch that we have with the
the the show and stuff it's likeoh that's salt and this and
that and I'm like well that'sfor intention and salt is a
crystal so I got plenty of thosealready it's like you know
there's it's just a witchcraftis a different brand of this you
know it's a very vibey brand.
(45:27):
Yeah it's like hey you want toare you a postmetal band or are
you emo?
Because the difference isyou're gonna swoop your hair
down in your face.
It's a look it's a vibe.
Yeah that's funny.
Lauren (45:41):
If there's a like spell or something that has like more
than three or four steps I'mlike I'm too tired.
Erin (45:50):
Well and again I think that goes back to like yeah like
the human experience thing thatwe were talking about before
like right at the end of the dayit's like we're parents we're
working we're trying to like youknow balance our personal life
and our professional life and doall of these things and
sometimes you're like damn I'mtired like I don't want to do a
whole ass ritual like time now.
Frank (46:11):
Yep like I'm like let me throw some rosemary and basil on
a green candle and get somemoney come in my way and call it
a yeah oh wait I like that yeahsuper simple rosemary and basil
on a green candle okay that Ican do yes now you're speaking
my language I have everythinghere we're good great and you
can use the stuff that's in yourcupboard you don't have to like
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like don't feel like oh I needto go to the the witch store or
the crystal store and get likelike basil is basil rosemary is
rosemary like sorry what wereyou gonna say oh I was gonna
just ask you more about likesome more of the the grounding
and shielding because I I wantto run something by you that I
found works for me and I want tosee uh having the limited
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amount of tangible I'm more ofan I'm more of an emotional uh
intuitive I don't have like thetangible stuff always so I like
to ask people like you like ifthis do you have some
confirmation that this isactually functional.
Erin (47:10):
Okay.
Frank (47:11):
I used to do a lot of shielding and I'm like I I my
shield sucks my my my shield ismore of a cheese grater and it's
just like that's not good.
So something that I've foundsince I've I've learned more
about Reiki is uh there's agrounding exercise where you are
like calling in energy intoyour body and I always say it's
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like filling up your body likean ice cube tray.
Let it fill you up right andthen they also say but pull up
pull energy up from the groundand have it meet in the heart.
Yep and then in the heartcenter you then broadcast.
And I've found that I'm abetter broadcaster of energy
than I am a filter.
So if I can like exude apositivity it's more of like a a
(47:53):
more to me it feels like a moreradiating like pushing it out.
Yeah or yeah like pushing outlike good vibes that are
stronger than the bad vibes andhopefully I can influence the
people who are having those baddays around me rather than
trying to like you know put aput on a a suit of arm armor.
Erin (48:10):
That sounds completely logical to me yes okay yes I
love that actually and it'sfunny that you mentioned also
about like um uh drawing up fromthe earth because you can also
discharge back down right solike if you have if you feel
like oh I'm stuck here or I'mstuck here and you can visualize
like sending it back orreturning it back to the earth
(48:32):
that's a good way as well.
Another thing is um finding theelement that you connect with
so you guys are both fire signs.
So it would be candle gazing orbuilding a bonfire or something
like that that connects you toyour element that helps you feel
grounded and cleared.
So like when you like for watersigns I find that almost all of
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them are like oh I'm going tothe beach to clear my energy or
I'm gonna take a shower andclear my energy and earth signs
are like I'm literally justgoing to sit down right here on
the ground.
Like my my vibe is like ohthere's some grass like this is
this is perfect like right herelike oh there's a lovely little
picnic table in the park andthere's nothing else around it
(49:17):
I'm gonna sit at the table andjust put my feet down in the
earth.
And then air signs it's umusing either like the breeze or
using like um smoke cleansinglike using palosanto or sage or
something like that.
Frank (49:32):
So you this makes sense because sometimes when I'm
feeling big emotions I want tothrow myself into a fire.
Erin (49:38):
Utilizing your element is like it really helps and and
again I feel like a lot ofpeople do it and don't even
realize that like or don't makethe connection like oh I'm a
fire sign so I XYZ or I'm anearth sign so I ABC like I I
feel like some people just do itand don't even realize they're
doing it.
But there's so many differentways that you can ground and
(49:59):
clear yourself using elementsthat and it's like everyday
stuff like I said drinking aglass of water taking a shower
um eating dark chocolate and seasalt together.
Frank (50:12):
Yes please I mean yeah right can we and that works for
everybody.
That works for everybodyuniversal side this is actually
kind of funny because sincewe've hit autumn we I we whipped
out our box of fall decorationsso all the candles came out and
I've been lighting them upevery day but they're they're
all I have things lit behind meright here.
And you know like yesterday Iforgot to light them because I
(50:33):
was just I got busy likeimmediately.
Yeah and like I just felt Ifelt a little dead inside I'll
be honest.
Erin (50:40):
Yeah.
Frank (50:41):
So like today was literally the first thing I'm
like I've gonna make the kidsbreakfast nope candles first.
No starting the ritual yeah andit just makes it feel like our
house is more alive and like itit fills it fills my my joy it
fills up my joy cup a littlebit.
Yeah I love that and maybethat's maybe that's because of
little Sagittarius action.
Lauren (51:00):
Wait this is funny because Jean our daughter is a
Capricorn and she keeps blowingout the candles she's very
sensitive to smell so she's likecan I not smell that anymore
hold on I have to blow this oneout like that one doesn't even
(51:22):
smell oh my god we're justbattling constantly that is
funny.
Erin (51:27):
Oh the other thing I was gonna say is if you um want to
try working directly with umeither archangels or elementals
or I go down the list and I'mlike spirit guides, ancestors
family members who have passeddragons mermaids fairies like
(51:50):
whatever you feel pulled toenergetically there's been
different times throughout myspiritual practice where I'm
like oh I'm super interested inlike archangels or I'm super
interested in fairies orwhatever it is on any given time
there's like something draws meto it and then I find oh I
(52:11):
needed um you know I'm justusing this as an example because
it's an easy one ArchangelMichael is protection like oh I
needed a little extra protectionso I'll visualize blue around
me and that's Michael.
Like that's the easiest way todo it.
Or I want to be um a littlemore uh whimsical or like
(52:33):
fanciful in my practice that'svery energy.
I am looking for um you knowthere's there's different um
also even going back to likewhat I was talking about with
like ancestors and familymembers, it's like, oh I know
that Uncle Pete was brilliant atlogic and organizing and I'm
(52:54):
looking to be more organized inmy life.
So utilizing the strengths ofpeople or spirits in your team
or that you find yourself drawnto or interested in helps you to
better protect yourselfenergetically as well because
you're utilizing those strengthsfor those to become your
(53:16):
strengths as well.
That's great.
Frank (53:19):
That is fun.
Yeah I just started and I'm I'mI'm back and forth on it.
I've talked about it on thepodcast a little bit but I
haven't fully jumped into ityet.
I just started a little bit ofan ancestor veneration practice.
I've mostly of grandparents andgreat grandparents.
So I just printed out a bunchof their phot I have like an
instant printer over here.
Printed out little photos ofthem when they were like at
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their best and I have a littlebox over there that I and I I
one of my grandparents did alike I think it was I just
learned about it.
I think it's called Spiritismbut in in Cuba so he was like a
a hands healer person.
Whatever their brand of thatwas never got to meet the guy.
But I have a picture of himover here and as I'm going into
my Reiki practice I'm like oh Ithink I'm gonna like light a
(54:01):
candle and have a quickconversation just be like dude
can you help me out a little bitlike let's do this you know
yeah I'm actually pretty excitedto do that.
I haven't done it yet though.
Erin (54:09):
That's actually like exactly what I'm talking about.
Like what what you justdescribed is like that's it.
That's literally it.
And it it doesn't like I wassaying before it doesn't need to
be anything like crazy or overthe top literally just having
the picture and or visualizingthem.
And also um something that youmentioned about never having met
(54:30):
him it doesn't necessarilymatter if you knew each other on
this plane of existence.
Our ancestors look out for usregardless.
So they have a a presence um inspirit to kind of look over us
and help guide us in the rightdirection.
So and and especially like whenyou feel connected to someone
(54:51):
who you you share thatexperience with like you're both
healers it it just makes sense.
Like it makes good sense foryou to connect directly with
someone like that.
Frank (55:00):
Yeah.
Erin (55:01):
Although I have been warned that sometimes some
ancestors could overstep a bitbut I I don't I feel like it
comes from a like a good placelike and it's just like any
family member right where it'slike they want to give you
advice but it's kind of likeeither not applicable or it's
not it's not modern where it'slike oh maybe you should try
(55:23):
this practice and and then youhave to be like sir like this is
2025 like we can't do that.
Like what what you did likeback in in I don't know the 20s
40s 50s whatever like we don'tdo that anymore.
Frank (55:40):
I will not use leeches to cure that disease I don't care
what you say we don't do thatanymore.
Lauren (55:45):
We can't find that I don't know where the leeches are
anymore.
Frank (55:48):
Leeches were that's funny.
Lauren (55:53):
Oh my God.
What a delightful conversation.
Frank (55:56):
Yeah seriously thank you so much for hanging out with us
today.
Can you give everybody yourplugs to tell them where to find
you absolutely thank you.
Erin (56:02):
So you can check me out on Instagram it's at psychic
mediumAaron Lee.
I'm also on Facebook same thingPsychicMedium Aaron Lee um or
you can even text me directlythat's totally fine with me as
well it's 954 274 5477.
I just I love making newacquaintances and it was such a
(56:26):
joy spending time with you guysand getting to know you and your
family.
Frank (56:30):
I am Aaron have a great rest of your day and we'll we'll
uh we'll catch you soon.
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