October 30, 2025 • 54 mins
Filmmakers and best friends Adrienne Acevedo Lovette and John A. Rice share how intuition, dreams, and tarot quietly guide their creative work—and why treating the supernatural as a teacher, not a threat, makes their stories hit deeper.
We talk about real encounters with the unseen, the fine art of blending spirituality with storytelling, and how authentic experiences breathe life into horror without the clichés. From ghostly inspirations to low-budget brilliance, this episode is a love letter to creativity, mystery, and the magic that haunts great filmmaking.
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Adrienne's website: http://www.adriennelovette.com/
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Lauren (00:01):
This is Halloween.
This is Halloween.
Halloween.
Halloween.
Halloween.
Hey, Halloween monsters! Intoday's spooky episode, we
chatted with our pals AdrianOceveto Lovette and John A.
Rice.
They are writers and filmmakerswho often write horror films.
(00:22):
We talked about how theirspiritual understanding and
experiences affect theirwriting, as well as dreams, past
lives, and tarot.
I'm Lauren Leon.
Frank (00:33):
Whoa! Whoa!
Lauren (00:36):
Oh.
Whoa! I'm the Oogie Boogie Man!Oh, you're joking! You're
joking! I can't believe my ears!We are a married couple.
It's true.
Learning how to develop our ownintuition.
And this is Spooky Halloweenepisode 91 of Claire Voyaging.
Frank (01:28):
Hey!
Lauren (01:29):
Hi, Fred!
Frank (01:30):
Is that Spooky?
Lauren (01:37):
Guys, we've got a great one today.
Frank (01:40):
We've got a fresh one.
Lauren (01:41):
On All Hollows Eve.
Frank (01:44):
Hey, real quick, has anybody noticed that for
Halloween, I dress like me?
Lauren (01:50):
Just slightly more cloaked.
Frank (01:53):
It's just a longer hoodie.
It's just a longer hoodie.
Lauren (01:57):
Yeah.
Frank (01:58):
Is a cloak.
Lauren (01:59):
And then sometimes there's a dagger.
Frank (02:02):
Yeah, I'm not going to wear the dagger this year.
I just feel like this isn't theseason for daggers.
Politically climate season iswhy.
Lauren (02:12):
Are you going to bring your your staff
trick-or-treating?
It's kind of heavy.
Frank made a staff a few yearsago.
Frank (02:18):
It only works if you say it like that, a staff.
Lauren (02:20):
A staff.
Frank (02:21):
Well, it has some staff in the streets.
I'm going to pass out somescones.
Lauren (02:24):
Scones.
Yeah, it has a crystal ball atthe end.
It's very cool.
Frank (02:30):
This is previous.
This is your wizard.
Lauren (02:32):
Yeah.
Frank (02:32):
This was pre-voyage.
We bought wizard cloaks and Imade a staff with a crystal, an
actual crystal ball on it.
Lauren (02:38):
We're sorcerers.
Frank (02:39):
It was just always in the cards, I guess.
Lauren (02:41):
I think so.
In the tarot cards.
Before we get to the episode, acouple of notes.
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Frank (03:00):
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We're everywhere.
You know what we realized?
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And we never say, hey, go findus, we're all the other places
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If you're if you go find us onsocials, the some of the stuff
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Lauren (03:20):
But yeah, usually made-up songs or weird uh jokes
that just come out of nowhere.
Frank (03:25):
We're laughing at ourselves a lot.
Lauren (03:27):
Often.
And most of the time.
Yeah.
And also, if you want to seeextra clips or behind the scenes
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Frank (03:41):
So what?
Lauren (03:42):
Frank?
Frank (03:43):
Yeah.
Lauren (03:44):
It is four dollars per month.
That's so cheap.
Also, Frankie, we recentlyannounced that your Reiki
services are available.
So, guys, go book anappointment with Mr.
Steamy Biscuits himself.
Frank (04:00):
So I don't think that's gonna sell anybody.
Lauren (04:03):
Frank, let them know about the current offer you
have.
Still limited time.
Frank (04:09):
We're still working some stuff out, figuring out exactly
what kind of services I'moffering.
Or I should say it's evolving.
But right now, the the standardthat I recommend, we're going
to do a quick like assessment, alittle body scan, uh, and then
we're gonna do a littlediscussion.
If you want.
If you want, you don't have to,but if you want it, you and I
can talk a little bit.
You know, as if you've been afan of the show for a long time,
(04:31):
you know that we've discoveredthat my intuitive abilities are
naturally in the form of empathyand feeling your feelings.
But because of my my busy, busybrainy Waney, I have a tendency
to be able to like give alittle bit of guidance.
Call it intuitive guidance ifyou want.
That's what I call it.
Lauren (04:48):
Me too.
Frank (04:48):
But yeah, so that's the thing.
And then after we discuss justa little bit, it's gonna be
Reiki from there.
So you get to just chill outand relax.
If you don't want any of thetalkie part, I'll just give you
some rain.
Lauren (04:59):
Just say it.
Just tell them.
Don't don't don't don't godigging around, man.
I will just make me relax.
Just tell them shut your trap.
Frank (05:08):
Shut shut your trap, please.
There's a shut your trap optionwhen you're signing up.
Lauren (05:11):
So just click that.
Frank (05:13):
Um another thing that I want to throw out there is in
case she didn't check, uh,Lauren and I are offering uh
like a neck we call it a nextsteps consultation.
So if you um are experiencing,you know, I guess I'll say
paranormal or psychic or or orany kind of intuitive
phenomenon, and you kind of wantto know where to move next, uh,
(05:34):
what you should do, who youshould talk to, or what you
should look into in terms oflike different practices, you
can book us.
It's free.
Lauren (05:40):
And it's just a quick half hour.
Frank (05:42):
Yeah, quick 30 minutes just to like talk about it,
discuss it and see what's up.
If you have any questions aboutthat stuff, we want to offer
that for you guys because youknow we feel like that's
important and that's what wewould have wanted when we first
started this journey.
Lauren (05:54):
Or if like you have a kid that you're like, I don't
know what to do, that's a that'swhat that's available for also.
Or if you're just like, I needsome, I need to get some
guidance from somebody and Idon't know which practitioner,
we often recommend people.
So, you know, but we can kindof connect you to the right
person.
(06:14):
We we vibe things out and wesay, based on personality and
what you need, this person wouldbe the right one for you.
So if you want to chat with us,book, book it.
Frank (06:22):
Please do.
And if you're not familiaralong the lines of that
consultation, we do have adirectory of all the people that
offer services, the all thepeople that we've interviewed.
It's on our website, it's underresources.
So go check it out.
It's uh their contactinformation, where they're
located, all and what theirspecialties are.
And lastly, I am offering uhonce a week a one hour of free
Reiki.
So um, if you are interested,but you don't know exactly what
(06:46):
it is or how it's gonna work foryou or what your reaction is
gonna be to it, like go book me.
It's it's book them.
I'm only available to do thiskind of session like once a
week.
I don't want cost to beprohibitive at all.
Uh that's why I'm we're that'swhy we're doing these things.
That's why I'm doing thesethings.
So um, I want to help out,guys.
So let me know what you need.
(07:07):
We've got a couple sessions.
A couple people have found thatalready, by the way.
Lauren (07:10):
Yeah.
Frank (07:11):
Uh without us even saying it anything.
So uh go go poke around ourwebsite.
There's a section that saysworkshops in Reiki, and you're
gonna see a bunch of stuff inthere.
And Lauren's workshops arecoming soon.
Lauren (07:21):
It's coming.
ClaireVoyaging.com.
Frank (07:24):
Yeah, go check it out.
Lauren (07:25):
Yeah, we're excited.
Frank (07:27):
We're very excited.
I think this is you one mightsay that maybe the entire
culmination, this is the theculmination of the last two
years of our our inner work andour it's now it's coming out.
Lauren (07:38):
It's finally making sense.
It feels good.
Frank (07:42):
Not to say Frank and Lauren are stress-free and doing
everything we need to be, butthis is part of life, right?
This is this is how we'representing now, and I'm pretty
excited about that.
Lauren (07:51):
Yeah, it feels very aligned.
So super exciting.
And now I think that was allthe announcements and updates we
have.
So let's get to our episode.
We thought it would be fun tobring Adrian back for another
Halloween episode.
Well, why not make it atradition if we can?
Frank (08:09):
Please.
Lauren (08:09):
And since she and John Rice are writing partners who
make horror films, it felt likethe perfect combo.
Right?
It was just such a greatconversation.
What a fun, just a lot oflaughs.
Frank (08:23):
Honestly, just a lot of dream stories.
A dream team.
Lauren (08:26):
Yeah.
Yeah.
But now, like I want to writewith them.
Oh, the four of us.
Frank (08:30):
I just want to be near them while they're writing.
Yeah, yeah.
Lauren (08:32):
I just want to be a fly on the wall.
Frank (08:34):
I'll just sit on the couch and make stupid comments.
I don't care.
Lauren (08:36):
Like a couple I they had a couple ideas that popped up
while we were talking.
Yeah.
It was just a great time.
Frank (08:42):
So maybe I throw out some ideas.
Maybe they were bad.
I don't know.
You'll be the judge.
Lauren (08:48):
I don't know.
They said, oh, hey, we mightuse that.
Frank (08:50):
Because that's what nice people say.
Lauren (08:53):
When secretly they like wrote it down and then they
threw it away.
This guy is so cool.
Frank (08:57):
Cool, light this on fire.
This is bad.
Lauren (08:59):
Great.
Good to know.
And dust that one off.
Okay, guys.
Please enjoy the episode andhappy Halloween.
Happy Halloween.
Frank (09:08):
Wait, happy, happy Halloween.
Lauren (09:10):
Oh yeah.
And happy, happy Halloween.
Voyagers, you are in for aHalloween special.
We have two guests with ustoday.
They are currently silent intheir Halloween masks.
(09:32):
If you could see them on video,you would love this.
We have Adrian, AsavedoLavette, and John A.
Rice with us.
Hello.
Hi, you spooky creeps.
Hi guys.
Oh my god.
Happy Halloween, friends.
(09:54):
Okay, so our listeners have metboth of you in different areas,
but the fun part is that youguys are best friends.
You are also co-writers andfilmmakers.
You make horror, like thrillermovies together.
Today I want to talk aboutintuition and ghosty stories and
(10:17):
how that kind of feeds intoyour storytelling and writing.
If you haven't heard lastyear's Halloween episode, it
featured sweet, wonderfulAdrian.
We went on a journey in Duluth,Minnesota, of all places, and
we did our own little paranormalinvestigation at the famous
(10:39):
Glen Sheen Mansion.
We did a paranormalinvestigation.
But we also got some funstories from Adrian, and it was
really great to hear all aboutyour abilities that you were
like, oh, by the way, yeah, Isee ghosts all the time.
(11:01):
Yeah.
I mean, you know.
So fill us in a little more.
Adrienne (11:05):
Yeah.
So uh that was that's somethingthat I've always been able to
do as a child.
And then so it's funny becauseit's always been that I could
see them and then my mom canhear them.
So it was it was kind of likewe both had this ability, and
then together we're we're one,you know.
(11:27):
But um, but most of the time Isee them or um they'll do
activity around me uh so thatit's like so that they make
themselves aware.
And actually, funny enough,last night it happened, um, and
my husband was like, I swearthis light wasn't on.
(11:48):
Did you turn this light on?
I said, No, I didn't turn iton.
And he was and and he was justlike it turned on.
Like he just got really likenervous.
And I was like, Yeah, they'rejust saying hi.
You know.
And um, you know, like evenrecently, again, it was like I
was we were sleeping, and all ofa sudden in the middle of the
(12:11):
night, the TV turned on and andand the speaker, because the TV
and the speaker are twodifferent, they don't connect.
Like you have to turn on the TVand then you have to turn on
the speaker, and um like thethose like sound bars on the
top.
Yeah.
Oh, that's right.
Frank (12:27):
You had a whole story about that happening.
Adrienne (12:29):
Yeah, and it was just it's happened again where like
it the TV turns on and then thisthe speaker turns on really
loud.
And and so um when thathappens, I'm always like, what
is it?
Is something happening outside?
Like I think I always thinkthat they're warning me uh about
something happening.
Yeah, and and I like lookedoutside, I was like, is someone
(12:51):
trying to steal my car?
You know, like that kind ofthing.
Frank (12:54):
Yeah.
Adrienne (12:55):
Um, but uh a lot of times too, it's just uh uh
either an entity here that'sbeen in this land or this house
or um uh you know are stillaround, um, or it's a family
member or someone I've knownthat's passed away that is like,
hey, you know, and and there'slike sometimes no rhyme or
(13:18):
reason why they're just like,hey, remember me, you know, and
then I'm just like, hey, yeah,yeah, whoever it is, you know,
and so and then when it's avisual, it it comes in either
they look like a person, whichis confusing, like like uh like
a solid entity.
I just yeah, or they they come,you know, kind of I guess like
(13:42):
in movies where you see they'rekind of see-through and ghostly
and not that clear, and but youcan see the formation of the
body.
And then sometimes they come inum once in a blue moon, it's
like a shadow figure, um, whichusually is more of a negative
entity, and then uh occasionallythey'll come in wisps, like
little light wisps that kind ofgo like around the room.
(14:05):
Um and those are usually notnegative, those are positive,
but there's a lot happening.
Um and so yeah, I mean, it'sjust uh something that I've
always been able to do.
I mean, my my mom and I are onthe I guess you could say on the
psychic spectrum.
Like sometimes I'll get visionsor uh things that I'll have to
tell someone, like, hey, youshould, you know, whatever, you
(14:26):
know, be careful with this, oryou shouldn't be with this guy,
you know, that kind of thing.
But it's always that.
Lauren (14:32):
Yeah, it's never the right one.
Right, right.
Frank (14:36):
Lauren hears that like daily.
You shouldn't do it anymore.
Lauren (14:42):
Stop it.
But you know, I mean, it's whenyou was there anything that um
just curious, like when the TVturned on, was there anything
playing that was like, oh, thatwas an interesting message, or
was it just like totally random,or you didn't even like think
about it?
Adrienne (15:02):
Well, when the TV turned on, it was like an action
film.
So, you know, I don't know whatthat message was.
Frank (15:11):
I mean, it's better than like flipping through the
channels, and it's like, get outof the house.
There's nothing on TV tonight.
Adrienne (15:22):
We're gonna use that in a movie.
Lauren (15:28):
I actually love that I can tell my cut down.
John (15:30):
To be honest, my mind's already going.
Lauren (15:34):
I know.
I was like, I'm gonna feelthat.
I already have a whole sceneplanned.
Frank (15:38):
Perfect.
Oh, that's so funny.
Oh my gosh.
Okay, so hold on.
Before we we uh do a quickrecap on on John, I want to ask
you a a quick question, Adrian.
This is this is a theory I'vebeen developing, and I haven't
really been able to ask anybodyyet.
Does your do you think, and youmight not initially have an
(16:00):
answer to this, but do you thinkthe way you see spirit, do you
think it changes based on maybeyour emotions and your your
vibration on that day?
Or is it like can you like toyour left I have a wisp, and to
the right I have like a shadowguy?
Or or is it always like kind ofon let's say on that day
(16:21):
presenting the same?
Adrienne (16:23):
That's a good question.
I never thought about it ummanifesting or coming up or
showing up uh depending on myemotional state.
Yeah.
Um I've I haven't reallyclocked that.
I really should pay attentionto that and see, you know, if
how they're coming through.
Is it because of the way that Iam perceiving my emotions in
(16:48):
the world at that moment?
Um, and that could be, thatcould be a factor, you know.
I mean, everything is energy.
So, you know, we can affect youknow energy around us as well.
So that that could be apossibility.
I usually it seems to me, atleast when like a dark entity
comes and a dark shadow comes,I've never seen it in my own
(17:11):
house.
Like that's not something thatI've ever seen in my own house.
It's always been in anotherlocation that was new to me.
And so anytime I've seen like ashadow figure uh or a you know,
a negative entity, it's beenfunny enough, every time now
that I analyze it, it's alwaysbeen at a hotel.
Um, and that's the times thatI've actually seen them was in a
(17:34):
hotel room.
Uh, and specifically the onethat I was staying in.
So something, you know, I mean,hotels are like, oh gosh, like
I feel like a beacon of ofenergies.
And um, right, that was theother story.
Frank (17:47):
Yeah, yeah, story with your your friend.
You guys were at a hotel.
Adrienne (17:50):
Yeah, yeah.
And um, and I don't know if Itold you the other story when I
was attacked by an entity.
Frank (17:58):
I think you did, yeah.
Adrienne (17:59):
I think that was.
Lauren (18:01):
Yeah.
Adrienne (18:02):
Yeah.
And so that was in a hotel.
So I I feel like um when thathappens, it's just there's so
many energies that come through,and people bring people along,
and then there's, you know, it'sjust so yeah, yeah.
Frank (18:17):
That's interesting.
Okay.
Adrienne (18:18):
That's a good question.
I never thought of that.
Frank (18:20):
I don't know.
Something something I'm workingon.
I don't I'm not working onanything, I'm just asking
questions.
Lauren (18:25):
Something I'm working on.
Frank (18:28):
And then, and then John, correct me if I'm wrong.
Born spooky made an awesomedeck, right?
Yes.
Lauren (18:36):
And if you haven't heard John's episode, he created a
beautiful deck calledMindscape's Tarot.
Frank (18:44):
It's so nice.
Lauren (18:45):
And he's he illustrated it, and it's so beautiful.
Tell us to also, you have a newbook, which is a Halloween
book.
John (18:54):
Specifically spooky book.
Yes, yes.
Uh yeah.
So I yeah.
I mean, I I was born spooky.
I was always interested in thatsort of stuff, but I don't see
ghosts.
I only see alive people.
Lauren (19:07):
Um but I don't see them either.
It's okay.
John (19:10):
Yeah.
Uh yeah, I mean, I wish.
I wish I did.
Um, in all fairness, Adrian, wehad known each other for like
three years and we're livingtogether until you even
mentioned anything having to dowith that.
You were just like one day youwere just like, There's like a
guy in the corner.
I was like, what are youtalking about?
A guy in the corner.
And you were like, Yeah, I seeghosts.
I was like, what are youtalking about?
(19:30):
We've been best friends forthree years.
How have I never heard anythingabout this?
Adrienne (19:34):
Yeah, that was in the beginning, like what because
we've been now best friends forhow long?
John (19:38):
It's been like since 2005 or six.
Adrienne (19:44):
Yeah, yeah.
But in the beginning of ourrelationship, I just don't want
to freak people out.
Frank (19:48):
Yeah, yeah.
Adrienne (19:50):
You know, like I don't tell everyone my spiritual
capabilities or like, you know,that I I like to, you know, do
energy healing and things likethat.
Like I don't really tell peopleuh right away because it it not
everyone is into it, you know.
Um and then also to be fair,it's like I'm you know, I'm not
(20:12):
a practicing medium or psychicor you know, it's one of those
things where it it's just like aa gift, you can say, that I are
an ability that I have.
And then, you know, it's I onlyshare it with people that are
like super, super close to me.
We've known each other for adecent amount.
And um, you know, I also didn'twant people to come up to me,
(20:34):
be like, hey, can you do me areading?
And I'm like, I'm not likethat.
You know, like it's just Idon't want to disappoint you.
John (20:39):
Can confirm, can confirm that does happen.
Lauren (20:42):
Oh, really?
Oh yeah, yeah, a lot.
John (20:47):
And I but the thing is I'm happy to do it and I enjoy
doing it, but John's actuallyreally good at it.
The moment I tell people I'mreading a tarot deck, like that
there's like a 50% chance ofthat question happening.
Of course, yeah.
Lauren (21:00):
Like, do they expect that you have a deck in your
pocket?
And do you usually?
John (21:05):
No, but I should I guess I should start.
Um no, it's more it's more justlike acquaintances and people
who I will probably see again,but they're like, Oh, wait, can
you read my cards at some point?
Yeah, and I am happy to, butAdrian, I do understand being
hesitant to to shout it from therooftops.
But um I mean most professionalpsychics and mediums start that
(21:28):
way.
And how you said where it wasjust a gift, and they've simply
chosen to make that theircalling and help other people.
Right.
Frank (21:36):
Oh yeah.
John (21:38):
We s we actually talked on the podcast a little bit
through my tarot deck.
Um a lot of people call my artchanneled because I can't I
envision the artwork, it justkind of appears in my head.
And I got involved with a towncalled Lilydale in uh western
New York that is just a town ofpsychic mediums.
Practically everyone in thetown is a registered medium,
(21:59):
they all communicate with theother side.
Um they all you know haveclientele that they bring in,
and and it's pretty it's apretty regular thing every
summer.
But I now know like manypsychic mediums.
And it's exactly what you weresaying, Adrian, with like it's
just a gift that they havechosen to share with the wider
(22:20):
world.
Lauren (22:20):
Sure.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
Some yeah, a lot of people thatwe've talked to have been like,
I couldn't, I couldn't notanswer that poll because it was
so strong that then they uheventually decided to do it as a
professional thing.
But yeah, not everybody takesthat takes that path, and it's
just kind of like thisbackground thing.
Frank (22:42):
It is interesting to note though, like at least on on our
show, like we uh we are alwaysalmost always talking to people
who are psychics uh they'repsychic like practitioners,
right?
So it is very fun to like talkto you two who you're you have a
bunch of other stuff you do,but also you know and you see it
in our films.
John (23:00):
I mean, that's the only funny thing is that it comes
out.
Frank (23:03):
Yeah.
Lauren (23:04):
That's what I was gonna ask you next, is like because so
could because Frank and I arewriters too, and we haven't
written anything in the horrorgenre at all.
But every time we we likewatching scary movies, and it's
so funny.
I feel like the spiritualaspect can like inform you
(23:29):
differently as a writer, becausesometimes we're like, I don't
know, we'd want to be more likegrounded in we're not gonna make
tarot like a scary thing orwhatever.
Like, how does it inform youguys when you're writing stuff?
Are you like, let's be more inlike reality or let's make this
as scary as possible?
Frank (23:49):
And sub question the classic tropes that you know, as
writers, you know, your vieweryour viewers are expecting to
see some things, and it's okaybecause that's how you like
signal that what type of moviethis is, right?
But but how do you address thethe classic tropes?
Like, you know, being someonewho makes tarot, like do you
always do the scary cards, oryou know, like how does it
present for you?
John (24:10):
Well, now I feel bad.
Like now when I'm writing, I'mlike, uh, people just expect
like the devil card and thensomebody dies or whatever.
Frank (24:17):
Right.
John (24:18):
But but you now you know better.
And and now, like, I mean, Imade my deck several years ago.
Before then, maybe I was lesssensitive to it, but now I'm
sort of like, okay, well, howcan I take what I'd have learned
about tarot, about theseesoteric communities, and how
can I write a script that iscompelling based on the truth of
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those communities?
So it's just another way ofthinking about it.
But I do find personally,whenever I write horror, even if
it's like kind of slashery,there's almost always a
supernatural element to it.
And I think that I've justalways been drawn toward that
sort of gray area in life.
I just think that's where theinteresting things happen.
You know, going from what weknow into what we don't know.
Adrienne (25:01):
Well, yeah, I, you know, for me, I guess because um
so much of my um history withuh spiritual aspects or
metaphysics is is you know morepsychic related or uh spirit
related.
Um anytime that we do any kindof film, I do kind of draw
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toward some of the reality, butif I do too much reality, it
kind of gets boring.
You know, because it it reallyisn't like, you know, at least
for me, uh experiencing spiritsis not it's not what you see in
the films.
It's not so extreme, you know.
Like I I think every film takesa creative liberty because they
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know they have to entertain.
If I was doing somethingfactual, it would have just been
a ghost in a corner and thenthat was it.
And you're like, well, that wasexciting.
You know, like you want to seelike the spirit throwing things
around and throwing you aroundand throwing, you know,
someone's gotta get thrownaround.
Never that extreme.
And so, um, you know, I I havebeen actually wanting to write a
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film in the metaphysical realmthat has nothing to do with
horror or thriller, and and infact, maybe like a drama um that
that uses uh metaphysics.
And uh my mom actually pitchedme an idea, which I was like, I
like that, you know, I actuallylike the idea.
Lauren (26:25):
So uh I love that my mom was pitching me a movie idea,
but um, you know that's amazing.
Adrienne (26:30):
But it was but it was in the metaphysics and in and in
um reincarnation and all thisstuff, and I was just like, I
actually really like that idea.
So just kind of have to figureout how to make it into a
compelling story, you know.
Frank (26:44):
I know because if you lean into like the app like the
reality of things, uh every oneof your movies is gonna be like,
and then everything was okay.
It wasn't so bad.
Lauren (26:55):
Or like, I don't know, I've had ideas that then it's
like, but how do you put thatinto a film without it feeling
like so dorky or like righteasy, you know what I mean?
Like there's there's that likehow do you how do you have like
a film where there's acommunication with like a spirit
and it's like really sweet andnot like I don't know, Casper
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the friendly thing it's almostlike the supernatural element
can't be the scary thing.
John (27:25):
It's like the scary thing is the thing that is actually
grounded in reality and how likeyeah, people hurt one another
here, and the supernaturalelement is sort of almost like
the mentor force.
You know what I mean?
That's like the the thing thatallows the the protagonist to
kind of solve the mystery orlike move forward, but it's it's
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not the scary thing in and ofitself.
We should write that.
Adrienne (27:49):
We should write that, John.
That's our next film.
There you go.
We're already brainstorming.
Because I love that.
I love that idea.
John (27:58):
I was just gonna say, did you see there was a scary movie,
scary thriller that came outrecently called Presents by
Steven Soderbergh?
Adrienne (28:06):
I've been thinking about that today.
John (28:07):
That's excellent.
Adrienne (28:08):
It was excellent.
John (28:10):
Kind of does what we just talked about.
Adrienne (28:12):
Right, yeah, exactly.
That's cool.
Frank (28:14):
That's a that's like a uh but it's presented as like a
standard haunted house, right?
Is am I wrong?
Or am I thinking someone else?
John (28:20):
It's like a haunted house turned on its head a little bit.
Frank (28:22):
Okay.
John (28:23):
I don't want to give too much away, but it's definitely
worth watching.
And the supernatural forceisn't the antagonist.
Got it.
Frank (28:32):
That's fun.
Lauren (28:33):
Yeah.
Frank (28:34):
Someone's doing it.
Lauren (28:35):
You guys are fundraising for something right now, or or
in the world.
Is it been pre-production?
Adrienne (28:44):
It's it's in development right now.
It's um, yeah, it's a kind oflike a genre-bending horror film
feature called No One Leaves.
And that one, that one we're umwe're pitching, we're working
on maybe getting a co-producingcompany.
So we're doing that and dealingwith meet meetings and um just
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also looking at basicallyraising the funds ourselves and
getting investors ourselves.
And you know, it's it's trickybecause when you do get a
co-producing company, it startspivoting and changing, and and
we really believe in thestructure.
It's a little different thanusual, and and it you have so
many genres of horror in onefilm, so it's super exciting and
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um oh that's right.
Okay, yeah.
Yeah, so so we'll see.
You know, we're we're we'rereally gunning for this one.
We think it's gonna be um asuper fun one to make.
And you know, like as afilmmaker, and it's funny
because I feel like all of usare such peaceful, loving,
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happy, you know what I mean?
Like we're we don't look likepeople that are making horror
films in in retrospect, youknow.
Lauren (29:54):
Like I think people look at me and they're like, You're
you have such a sweet face, andthen I'm just like, I make
Adrienne (30:00):
horror movies you know um look like look horror and i
feel like john and i are suchlike kind hearted people and
it's so funny because him and iwe're actors as well and we tend
to play villains a lot and likeyou know like i i play like
this like angry broodinggunslinging villain and then and
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then john plays like the scaryslasher you know stalker guys
and things five no stilts hatedyeah no stilts can you imagine
me stalking somebody on stiltsno that'd be amazing actually we
didn't even create a characterthat that actually this is you
just remind me of something backwhen I was in college um a
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friend of mine had these likereally tall like chunky boots
these like really high heel Imean they were like an eight
inch almost like a stripper likeheel and I put them on I was
probably drunk but I like chasedher down the hall and she had a
Polaroid camera and took like aflash photo oh my god I have no
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idea where that photo ended upbut I remember I literally look
like the crooked man yeah inlike in the conjuring I'm like
in this hallway like toweringabove on these giant like
stiletto boots or that's amazingthat is horrible can confirm
it's terrifying we need it weneed to create a character like
that for sure I just like makeyour height even higher yeah but
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the benefit though of that isthat one if once you get too
tall then you just have T-Rexarms there's no stabbing
happening from a way up there.
Yeah yeah but you know I thinkdoing the the horror film where
I think because we're soopposite I that's why we can
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dive into that world and and useour own fears and dramas and um
turn them into some form ofentertainment which is an odd
way of healing but it kind of isin a weird way.
John (32:06):
It's catharsis it's like you see it on screen and you can
and it ends and you've survivedand everybody you know and and
you can come out of it almostlike I I feel like that's a very
powerful psychological thing.
I think that's why so manypeople like horror and I think
that's probably why we gravitatetoward it.
Adrienne (32:27):
I think it's a combination of that and then if
you if you look at our historyhow we've evolved with violence
which sounds like a terriblething to say but if you think
about like even a cavemansurviving and and trying not to
get eaten by a wild animal itthere's always been some aspect
of violence within our um withinour uh growth as as a human as
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humans right and so I think nowbecause we're you know we're not
living in the dark ages whereit seemed like everyone was
getting murdered every day infront of our eyes yeah it's like
it like manifests as like filmsin a way which it's interesting
but um yeah scratches anintellectual or uh instinctual
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itch or something.
Lauren (33:15):
Yeah right exactly like that's such a great way to think
about it though to John likethe the like watching someone
survive is is especially somelike horrifying trauma you're
like watching it lay out andlike see them they're they're
gonna be pretty emotionallyscarred but you're watching them
actually like survive you madeit you know and we feel like we
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made it when we see that youknow yeah right wait I want to
hear I feel like John had atleast one story about Lily Dale.
John (33:47):
Yeah it in the Dale um in the dale Lily Dale uh I got
invited to do some seances withsome of the mediums there and um
they were like classicVictorian red light seances and
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for people who don't know whatthat is basically you go into a
room and um often the room islike it has like curtains all
around just to kind of containand and and um eliminate any
sound that might come from theoutside.
It's completely dark except fora single red light bulb.
And there's a chair often itcan it used to be inside an
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actual cabinet like in a cabinetwith a door that closes.
That's why it's called themediums cabinet.
But then the mediums take turnsor I guess there can just be
one medium going into thecabinet and connecting with the
spirit and delivering messagesto people who are who are
gathered there.
And in the seances that I wentto there were you know well
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established mediums who wentinto the cabinet and connected
with different spirits and anddifferent messages came through.
But then they were also open toanyone going and sitting in the
cabinet and getting into sortof a meditative receptive state
and seeing if anything camethrough for them.
Because one of the tenets ofspiritualism in Lilydale is that
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everyone has the capacity to bea a medium.
Everyone can do this you justhave to train your mind to get
quiet and and receive themessages.
So I went into the cabinetseveral times and I started
bringing a notepad with me and apiece of charcoal because
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sometimes these messages canmanifest as automatic drawing
which is where you uh you wantto completely clear your mind
and allow a spirit to basicallyinhabit your body and draw
through your hand.
There is another form of thatcalled mental mediumship where
you stay in control.
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You're just kind of liketranscribing a message that you
might be receiving.
They're two very differentthings and I tried both but um
some really cool things camethrough and uh again like I
don't know I try not to parse ittoo deeply because I think that
that kind of ruins the themystery of it.
But um I don't know if it's anentity or my own subconscious
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mind but some really cooldrawings came through and like
you can see of course there'slike scribbles but then you can
see clearly like faces andanimals and structures and and
like landscape forms and um Itook that process home and I've
started to create an an Oracledeck out of these drawings.
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Yeah so it's basically just Iyou know I'll write a book and
I'll describe the process thatkind of journals each channeling
session and what came throughwhat I saw in the drawings.
But I want it to be veryinterpretive so people can just
kind of draw a card and see whatthey see in it, you know, ask a
question and see what they seeto get some sort of guidance.
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So that was my experience inthe spirit cabinet at Lilydale
soon to be a card deck.
Frank (37:09):
That is really cool wait Lauren explain Oracle cards real
quick.
I don't think we've ever talkedabout on the show.
John (37:14):
Maybe John's the one to explain an Oracle deck can be
whatever you want.
Like you know tarot and there'sanother uh card reading
tradition called Lenormond thatI'm also doing a deck for um
they have more establishedstructures so like each card
means a specific thing orrepresents a specific archetype
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in Oracle decks it can literallybe whatever you want.
It's almost like um it's on theaudience or the viewer to
interpret what they're seeing.
So you can you can have symbolsyou can have words you can have
pictures like whatever anythinggoes that's what an Oracle deck
is.
Lauren (37:55):
That's dangerous for me and you because I feel like at
some point we're gonna be likewe are going to create an art
you absolutely should youabsolutely make so many fart
jokes on cards.
Frank (38:07):
I don't know what's going on that's literally going to be
the entire deck yeah ah thisfart.
Wait so for that Oracle deckbecause some Oracle decks will
be like you know it'll have areally cool piece of art and
then on the back it'll be likethis this black cat sees you and
says how is your day going andyou are led to your inner
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guidance for and it's like ohare you are you drafting up like
these little stories or is itjust the image?
John (38:34):
In my deck it's gonna be just the image.
I want it to be completely justwhat came through.
But that's the beauty of anOracle deck is that it can be
multimedia like you can have apicture and then a word or even
like a phrase or like a snippetof a poem or something that you
have like it's kind of cool thatit can it can just be whatever
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you want to communicate.
Yeah but actually hold on Ijust realized literally right
over here I have my folder ofthese drawings that I've been
doing like in this for examplelike in this one like you
clearly see like eyes and likeit's a bit of a Picasso.
Adrienne (39:14):
Right I mean right like you can see you can see the
face you can see like you cansee faces or like facial
structures and right but I meanyou can flip it they can be read
in any direction that you wantum that's really cool.
John (39:28):
Yeah I mean I did like with different color charcoals
and stuff.
Frank (39:32):
Yeah I did want to ask you like what what is your
latest film and and you said umwell hold on is this the film
that you're raising funds for oris it the film that is okay can
we hear a little bit about it?
Or give us the log line?
Adrienne (39:44):
Yeah for sure I mean it's it's a a a group of
strangers that um are kind oflike tied up, beat up they have
no idea how they got where theyare tied up in they're tied up
in a quant set.
And um yeah it it starts rightaway like it goes and they kind
of start accusing each other.
They have no idea how they gotthere but um eventually when
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they leave um their own traumasmanifest as their own horror
film.
So every person's trauma is isyou know a different genre of
horror basically that's so cool.
Yeah and and we find out moreof exactly what's going on in
the end but um but yeah it's avery exciting I think it's a
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very exciting film.
It's also just super fun foractors to like have their own
like mini horrors and then um II feel like it would be great
for a cinematographer becauseyou're hitting so many genres
and and the art departmentmulti-genre thing would come
into play yeah.
Yeah uh-huh so one of thecharacters is a a war veteran
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another character there's uh setof brother brothers who are
podcasters who uh were abductedand so that's their trauma and
things like that.
So I think it's it's gonna be areally fun one to to check out.
Frank (41:00):
Oh that sounds so cool.
That's yeah what's the title?
Adrienne (41:04):
No one leaves no one leaves that's so fun and that
and that actually the idea ofthat came up in a dream because
John and I wrote like a ton ofblog lines and we're pitching
each other different film ideasfor like a month.
And then you know because wewere like well what's gonna
what's the next film that we'regonna write and co-write
(41:24):
together and focus on and um andthen I had I had this crazy
dream about this and I I pitchedit to John and John was like
this is it and then we were likeokay great let's go and so um
we co-wrote it I think it tookus what like two months to write
we're in our um technically Iwould say like our third draft
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uh but uh yeah I mean it's wereally love it.
We think it's gonna be a a goodtime and but also like
horrifying at the same timewhich is what you want for a
horror film.
Yeah and uh it's an ensemblepiece has a Latina lead
technically and I I say thatjust because of the structure is
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a little different.
We're taking uh artistic riskson the structure but uh you know
I I think uh a good example ofa film that just did that was
weapons and so and that had avery good um uh turnout I guess
and and a lot of people lovedand we loved it so and they took
artistic risks on theirstructure as well so you know um
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yeah we're we're excited and Ibut I feel like you know with
dreams they they really aretelling and um gosh there's just
so much so much you can getfrom it and I feel like I've had
dreams where I knew was a pastlife you know where it was
almost like a past life memoryof some sort that have popped in
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you know and manifested and Iwas like whoa that was a little
too real you know yeah I don'tknow have you guys ever had
dreams like that where you werelike I know this is a past life
recollection.
Frank (43:05):
I've never had a dream like that I want to so we we we
oh man we are threateningnonstop on the show to really
look um get an expert on thehuman design are you familiar
with human design yes yes we'vebeen talking about it nonstop
but we haven't found likesomeone who actually wants to
come on and like talk I thinkbecause it's such a in-depth
(43:25):
yeah it's hard to like verydetail like here's what human
design is without like thengetting into each thing and if
you don't know what it is thenit's like how is this helping?
But I I do a lot of reading anddigging and um so I just
recently found out in humandesign there's a concept of like
everyone has their like um howthey interact with the world.
(43:47):
You know I we Lauren and I areboth called manifesting
generators but we have I'm amanifesting generator as well
yeah I think I am too I thinkit's a so the way in general the
way that's supposed to work outis that we are best when we are
responding to something.
You guys just like Lauren and Ihave you guys have set up a
system where you are pitching toeach other and then you get
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some kind of affirmation andthen it it builds this like
you're like a uh like a nuclearreactor for creativity.
Yeah you're just constantlyresponding to each other I want
to put that on our websitesnuclear reacting creation
creators so what I did just findout is that when you are in a
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dream state or a sleep state youyour type changes so and and
that can reflect the way inwhich you dream and what you
dream about.
So for me I don't remember whatI am I think you are a
projector.
I think it was a projector.
And the majority of my dreamsand I this is accurate uh the
majority of my dreams are aboutprotecting or trying to um so I
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have so many dreams where likethe majority like like my
daughter will do some dumb shit.
I'll be like stop don't don'trun into the street like you're
gonna get hit by a car and I'llgrab her just in time.
It's always about like guardingor protecting or something.
Lauren (45:07):
Or there's an emergency and I am taking my time to get
out the door and Frank sofrustrated because I'm not
listening.
Frank (45:14):
And going like decades back I can remember like one of
my one of my more traumaticdreams was that there was some
big event going on in the worldand my dad who is as stubborn as
I am I was just trying toconvince him what was happening.
I was like we need to go and hewas like we don't need to go
right now he's Cuban.
Oh we don't need to go there'sno rush there's no reason to do
that right now I'm like Dad wegotta go so many of my dreams
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are about guarding andprotecting and trying to like
like contain something that'sgoing on.
Adrienne (45:43):
Wow I I feel like I'm learning something about myself
because that's exactly what Ihave a lot of dreams of where
I'm always the one that's likewhy are you not understanding?
Come on you know like it'salways that kind of dream and
it's like a family member friendmy husband I'm like why would
you do that?
Come with me you know and so orshooting somebody but I'm
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trying to like protect everyonefrom this one person you know
like yeah interesting that's howI that's how I dream too.
John (46:13):
It's great if you're a horror writer right Adrian you
should mention we're doingsomething kind of cool and
experimental um shooting minishort horror films.
They might not all be horroreventually we might branch out
in genres but right now we'redoing these mini short horror
films that we're shooting on aniPhone.
(46:34):
And they're like good like theylook great.
The new iPhones are excellentbut Adrian can talk more about
this.
Frank (46:43):
Yeah I mean we we do I'm sorry I don't want to interrupt
you I just want to say I I'msuch a fan of minimalist
production and not because of umlaziness or anything like that
but because of the the creativeflow that you're allowed to get
into and like how expensive someof these other projects can be
(47:03):
when you're like I just shot afive minute scene and that comes
out to being $2,000 a minute orsomething you know based on how
however big your crew is.
Adrienne (47:12):
So say more about it please yeah so it's called
iPhone Frights and we're we'rebasically releasing one a month.
And yeah they're like theseeither they're two to five
minutes long and we make thesekind of like fun different
horror genre shorts and umeither I write them or John
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writes them and and we have somany talented actor friends that
we just ask our actor friendshey do you want to be a part of
this and and have something foryour real but also just you know
let's play you know becauselet's have fun and play because
the industry is so bizarre rightnow and so weird um we're all
auditioning but nothing's reallyhappening and I have I even
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have friends who are who werejust series regulars in
different TV shows and and havehad to go back to their
workforce like the regularworkforce because there hasn't
been any bookings and it's we'reall we're all working a side
hustle right and you know weneed something that keeps our
creativity going and and ourhappiness going and um I
associate uh creativity withhappiness and so um where can
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you find are they on yourYouTube or yeah they're on our
YouTube channel The GarageProductions and um sometimes
we'll release them on onInstagram or TikTok as well.
We just started doing that.
But um there's gonna be onehopefully I'm I'm like trying to
edit it as quick as I can uhreleased on Halloween um called
(48:43):
found you and um there they'reyou know it's amazing what you
can do with the iPhone I I am II learned a lot about it and I
learned a lot about how to shooton it and how to properly shoot
on it and how to like you knowchange the frame rates and all
this kind of stuff so that itcan look more like a legit
camera as opposed to a phone.
(49:04):
Yeah and so the quality of themare actually pretty good
especially for a a phone and umyeah I mean it's been a really
fun creative tool uh because itallows us to experiment on
genres, on styles that we wouldnot normally be able to
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experiment on unless we'reraising you know thousands of
dollars to shoot another shortfilm and we were like why don't
we just experiment this way andit's it's been really really fun
like we've all just been havingso much fun working together in
this capacity and then justhaving something really fun to
share right after it.
Yeah it's been and it as adirector it's great because it
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allows me to experiment withgenres and with styles and you
know that kind of thing.
John (49:53):
So we shoot them in like three to four hours and like our
last one we shot with literallythree people it looks great.
Like the the entire cast andcrew three people well except it
looks great except for thescene that I shot because I'm
not a cinematographer so that'sthere's one scene that's like
very mid.
But um everything elseeverything else that Adrian
shoots looks great.
Just must be John scene.
Adrienne (50:15):
Yeah yeah you will literally you'll see it and
you'll be like there it is thereit is you know it's been really
fun too because I'm directingbut I'm also the cinematographer
I'm also sound I'm also gaffingso like I'm doing all the jobs
and and that's been fun for metoo not to say that I want to do
that all the time but you knowwith these shorts I I learn a
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lot by doing it.
So um so yeah it's it's been areally a really fun tool almost
guys thank you so much forhanging out with us tell us
where to find your your projectsgive us all your plugs uh so uh
you can find us in variouslocations but uh the garage
productions uh we have a websitecalled thegarageproductions dot
(50:58):
com so thegarageproductionswithin us dot com and um also we
have an Instagram same titlethe garage productions and then
for myself it's literally myname so it's Adrian Acevedo love
it and then you'll find awebsite with that name you'll
(51:18):
find my Instagram with that nameum directed I my my directing
website is directed by AdrianAcevedo love it but it all
interconnects so it's super easyto find me and um and find our
work and you know help us makemovies if you can support in
that way.
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And yeah.
John (51:40):
And um my my socials are just my name it's john.a dot
rice uh the website iswww.jarstudio nyc.com and that's
all my art stuff um like Adriansaid the garageproductions.com
uh you can see all of our filmprojects and the last the only
other thing that I wanted to addwas this book that I just
(52:02):
released it's called OctoberShadows classic ghost stories
for Halloween perfect for spookyseason it's got 13 excellent
ghost stories and I illustratedthe whole thing on autumn leaves
um so it's a super cool giftbook for the season or even if
you want to read like a storynight leading up to Halloween uh
October Shadows you can find itwherever you get your books.
(52:25):
Yeah it's a gorgeous book that'sawesome themselves it's it's a
beautiful beautiful book that'sfantastic oh man thank you both
so much for hanging out with uswhat a blast I think next
Halloween if I'm hoping to seeyou guys at a film festival
before then but next Halloween Ithink it's we gotta get in
person we got to do some kind ofsome kind of ghost hunting
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right oh my gosh we shouldtotally do that do the travelog
publish let's plan it too funand we'll film the whole thing
on an iPhone yes yeah let's doit I'm down annual Adrian
Halloween special Adrian I loveit I think it's so fun all right
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This is Halloween.
Halloween.
Halloween.
Halloween.
Hey, Halloween monsters! Intoday's spooky episode, we
chatted with our pals AdrianOceveto Lovette and John A.
Rice.
They are writers and filmmakerswho often write horror films.
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We talked about how theirspiritual understanding and
experiences affect theirwriting, as well as dreams, past
lives, and tarot.
I'm Lauren Leon.
Frank (00:33):
Whoa! Whoa!
Lauren (00:36):
Oh.
Whoa! I'm the Oogie Boogie Man!Oh, you're joking! You're
joking! I can't believe my ears!We are a married couple.
It's true.
Learning how to develop our ownintuition.
And this is Spooky Halloweenepisode 91 of Claire Voyaging.
Frank (01:28):
Hey!
Lauren (01:29):
Hi, Fred!
Frank (01:30):
Is that Spooky?
Lauren (01:37):
Guys, we've got a great one today.
Frank (01:40):
We've got a fresh one.
Lauren (01:41):
On All Hollows Eve.
Frank (01:44):
Hey, real quick, has anybody noticed that for
Halloween, I dress like me?
Lauren (01:50):
Just slightly more cloaked.
Frank (01:53):
It's just a longer hoodie.
It's just a longer hoodie.
Lauren (01:57):
Yeah.
Frank (01:58):
Is a cloak.
Lauren (01:59):
And then sometimes there's a dagger.
Frank (02:02):
Yeah, I'm not going to wear the dagger this year.
I just feel like this isn't theseason for daggers.
Politically climate season iswhy.
Lauren (02:12):
Are you going to bring your your staff
trick-or-treating?
It's kind of heavy.
Frank made a staff a few yearsago.
Frank (02:18):
It only works if you say it like that, a staff.
Lauren (02:20):
A staff.
Frank (02:21):
Well, it has some staff in the streets.
I'm going to pass out somescones.
Lauren (02:24):
Scones.
Yeah, it has a crystal ball atthe end.
It's very cool.
Frank (02:30):
This is previous.
This is your wizard.
Lauren (02:32):
Yeah.
Frank (02:32):
This was pre-voyage.
We bought wizard cloaks and Imade a staff with a crystal, an
actual crystal ball on it.
Lauren (02:38):
We're sorcerers.
Frank (02:39):
It was just always in the cards, I guess.
Lauren (02:41):
I think so.
In the tarot cards.
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Yeah.
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So what?
Lauren (03:42):
Frank?
Frank (03:43):
Yeah.
Lauren (03:44):
It is four dollars per month.
That's so cheap.
Also, Frankie, we recentlyannounced that your Reiki
services are available.
So, guys, go book anappointment with Mr.
Steamy Biscuits himself.
Frank (04:00):
So I don't think that's gonna sell anybody.
Lauren (04:03):
Frank, let them know about the current offer you
have.
Still limited time.
Frank (04:09):
We're still working some stuff out, figuring out exactly
what kind of services I'moffering.
Or I should say it's evolving.
But right now, the the standardthat I recommend, we're going
to do a quick like assessment, alittle body scan, uh, and then
we're gonna do a littlediscussion.
If you want.
If you want, you don't have to,but if you want it, you and I
can talk a little bit.
You know, as if you've been afan of the show for a long time,
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you know that we've discoveredthat my intuitive abilities are
naturally in the form of empathyand feeling your feelings.
But because of my my busy, busybrainy Waney, I have a tendency
to be able to like give alittle bit of guidance.
Call it intuitive guidance ifyou want.
That's what I call it.
Lauren (04:48):
Me too.
Frank (04:48):
But yeah, so that's the thing.
And then after we discuss justa little bit, it's gonna be
Reiki from there.
So you get to just chill outand relax.
If you don't want any of thetalkie part, I'll just give you
some rain.
Lauren (04:59):
Just say it.
Just tell them.
Don't don't don't don't godigging around, man.
I will just make me relax.
Just tell them shut your trap.
Frank (05:08):
Shut shut your trap, please.
There's a shut your trap optionwhen you're signing up.
Lauren (05:11):
So just click that.
Frank (05:13):
Um another thing that I want to throw out there is in
case she didn't check, uh,Lauren and I are offering uh
like a neck we call it a nextsteps consultation.
So if you um are experiencing,you know, I guess I'll say
paranormal or psychic or or orany kind of intuitive
phenomenon, and you kind of wantto know where to move next, uh,
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what you should do, who youshould talk to, or what you
should look into in terms oflike different practices, you
can book us.
It's free.
Lauren (05:40):
And it's just a quick half hour.
Frank (05:42):
Yeah, quick 30 minutes just to like talk about it,
discuss it and see what's up.
If you have any questions aboutthat stuff, we want to offer
that for you guys because youknow we feel like that's
important and that's what wewould have wanted when we first
started this journey.
Lauren (05:54):
Or if like you have a kid that you're like, I don't
know what to do, that's a that'swhat that's available for also.
Or if you're just like, I needsome, I need to get some
guidance from somebody and Idon't know which practitioner,
we often recommend people.
So, you know, but we can kindof connect you to the right
person.
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We we vibe things out and wesay, based on personality and
what you need, this person wouldbe the right one for you.
So if you want to chat with us,book, book it.
Frank (06:22):
Please do.
And if you're not familiaralong the lines of that
consultation, we do have adirectory of all the people that
offer services, the all thepeople that we've interviewed.
It's on our website, it's underresources.
So go check it out.
It's uh their contactinformation, where they're
located, all and what theirspecialties are.
And lastly, I am offering uhonce a week a one hour of free
Reiki.
So um, if you are interested,but you don't know exactly what
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it is or how it's gonna work foryou or what your reaction is
gonna be to it, like go book me.
It's it's book them.
I'm only available to do thiskind of session like once a
week.
I don't want cost to beprohibitive at all.
Uh that's why I'm we're that'swhy we're doing these things.
That's why I'm doing thesethings.
So um, I want to help out,guys.
So let me know what you need.
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We've got a couple sessions.
A couple people have found thatalready, by the way.
Lauren (07:10):
Yeah.
Frank (07:11):
Uh without us even saying it anything.
So uh go go poke around ourwebsite.
There's a section that saysworkshops in Reiki, and you're
gonna see a bunch of stuff inthere.
And Lauren's workshops arecoming soon.
Lauren (07:21):
It's coming.
ClaireVoyaging.com.
Frank (07:24):
Yeah, go check it out.
Lauren (07:25):
Yeah, we're excited.
Frank (07:27):
We're very excited.
I think this is you one mightsay that maybe the entire
culmination, this is the theculmination of the last two
years of our our inner work andour it's now it's coming out.
Lauren (07:38):
It's finally making sense.
It feels good.
Frank (07:42):
Not to say Frank and Lauren are stress-free and doing
everything we need to be, butthis is part of life, right?
This is this is how we'representing now, and I'm pretty
excited about that.
Lauren (07:51):
Yeah, it feels very aligned.
So super exciting.
And now I think that was allthe announcements and updates we
have.
So let's get to our episode.
We thought it would be fun tobring Adrian back for another
Halloween episode.
Well, why not make it atradition if we can?
Frank (08:09):
Please.
Lauren (08:09):
And since she and John Rice are writing partners who
make horror films, it felt likethe perfect combo.
Right?
It was just such a greatconversation.
What a fun, just a lot oflaughs.
Frank (08:23):
Honestly, just a lot of dream stories.
A dream team.
Lauren (08:26):
Yeah.
Yeah.
But now, like I want to writewith them.
Oh, the four of us.
Frank (08:30):
I just want to be near them while they're writing.
Yeah, yeah.
Lauren (08:32):
I just want to be a fly on the wall.
Frank (08:34):
I'll just sit on the couch and make stupid comments.
I don't care.
Lauren (08:36):
Like a couple I they had a couple ideas that popped up
while we were talking.
Yeah.
It was just a great time.
Frank (08:42):
So maybe I throw out some ideas.
Maybe they were bad.
I don't know.
You'll be the judge.
Lauren (08:48):
I don't know.
They said, oh, hey, we mightuse that.
Frank (08:50):
Because that's what nice people say.
Lauren (08:53):
When secretly they like wrote it down and then they
threw it away.
This guy is so cool.
Frank (08:57):
Cool, light this on fire.
This is bad.
Lauren (08:59):
Great.
Good to know.
And dust that one off.
Okay, guys.
Please enjoy the episode andhappy Halloween.
Happy Halloween.
Frank (09:08):
Wait, happy, happy Halloween.
Lauren (09:10):
Oh yeah.
And happy, happy Halloween.
Voyagers, you are in for aHalloween special.
We have two guests with ustoday.
They are currently silent intheir Halloween masks.
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If you could see them on video,you would love this.
We have Adrian, AsavedoLavette, and John A.
Rice with us.
Hello.
Hi, you spooky creeps.
Hi guys.
Oh my god.
Happy Halloween, friends.
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Okay, so our listeners have metboth of you in different areas,
but the fun part is that youguys are best friends.
You are also co-writers andfilmmakers.
You make horror, like thrillermovies together.
Today I want to talk aboutintuition and ghosty stories and
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how that kind of feeds intoyour storytelling and writing.
If you haven't heard lastyear's Halloween episode, it
featured sweet, wonderfulAdrian.
We went on a journey in Duluth,Minnesota, of all places, and
we did our own little paranormalinvestigation at the famous
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Glen Sheen Mansion.
We did a paranormalinvestigation.
But we also got some funstories from Adrian, and it was
really great to hear all aboutyour abilities that you were
like, oh, by the way, yeah, Isee ghosts all the time.
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Yeah.
I mean, you know.
So fill us in a little more.
Adrienne (11:05):
Yeah.
So uh that was that's somethingthat I've always been able to
do as a child.
And then so it's funny becauseit's always been that I could
see them and then my mom canhear them.
So it was it was kind of likewe both had this ability, and
then together we're we're one,you know.
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But um, but most of the time Isee them or um they'll do
activity around me uh so thatit's like so that they make
themselves aware.
And actually, funny enough,last night it happened, um, and
my husband was like, I swearthis light wasn't on.
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Did you turn this light on?
I said, No, I didn't turn iton.
And he was and and he was justlike it turned on.
Like he just got really likenervous.
And I was like, Yeah, they'rejust saying hi.
You know.
And um, you know, like evenrecently, again, it was like I
was we were sleeping, and all ofa sudden in the middle of the
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night, the TV turned on and andand the speaker, because the TV
and the speaker are twodifferent, they don't connect.
Like you have to turn on the TVand then you have to turn on
the speaker, and um like thethose like sound bars on the
top.
Yeah.
Oh, that's right.
Frank (12:27):
You had a whole story about that happening.
Adrienne (12:29):
Yeah, and it was just it's happened again where like
it the TV turns on and then thisthe speaker turns on really
loud.
And and so um when thathappens, I'm always like, what
is it?
Is something happening outside?
Like I think I always thinkthat they're warning me uh about
something happening.
Yeah, and and I like lookedoutside, I was like, is someone
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trying to steal my car?
You know, like that kind ofthing.
Frank (12:54):
Yeah.
Adrienne (12:55):
Um, but uh a lot of times too, it's just uh uh
either an entity here that'sbeen in this land or this house
or um uh you know are stillaround, um, or it's a family
member or someone I've knownthat's passed away that is like,
hey, you know, and and there'slike sometimes no rhyme or
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reason why they're just like,hey, remember me, you know, and
then I'm just like, hey, yeah,yeah, whoever it is, you know,
and so and then when it's avisual, it it comes in either
they look like a person, whichis confusing, like like uh like
a solid entity.
I just yeah, or they they come,you know, kind of I guess like
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in movies where you see they'rekind of see-through and ghostly
and not that clear, and but youcan see the formation of the
body.
And then sometimes they come inum once in a blue moon, it's
like a shadow figure, um, whichusually is more of a negative
entity, and then uh occasionallythey'll come in wisps, like
little light wisps that kind ofgo like around the room.
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Um and those are usually notnegative, those are positive,
but there's a lot happening.
Um and so yeah, I mean, it'sjust uh something that I've
always been able to do.
I mean, my my mom and I are onthe I guess you could say on the
psychic spectrum.
Like sometimes I'll get visionsor uh things that I'll have to
tell someone, like, hey, youshould, you know, whatever, you
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know, be careful with this, oryou shouldn't be with this guy,
you know, that kind of thing.
But it's always that.
Lauren (14:32):
Yeah, it's never the right one.
Right, right.
Frank (14:36):
Lauren hears that like daily.
You shouldn't do it anymore.
Lauren (14:42):
Stop it.
But you know, I mean, it's whenyou was there anything that um
just curious, like when the TVturned on, was there anything
playing that was like, oh, thatwas an interesting message, or
was it just like totally random,or you didn't even like think
about it?
Adrienne (15:02):
Well, when the TV turned on, it was like an action
film.
So, you know, I don't know whatthat message was.
Frank (15:11):
I mean, it's better than like flipping through the
channels, and it's like, get outof the house.
There's nothing on TV tonight.
Adrienne (15:22):
We're gonna use that in a movie.
Lauren (15:28):
I actually love that I can tell my cut down.
John (15:30):
To be honest, my mind's already going.
Lauren (15:34):
I know.
I was like, I'm gonna feelthat.
I already have a whole sceneplanned.
Frank (15:38):
Perfect.
Oh, that's so funny.
Oh my gosh.
Okay, so hold on.
Before we we uh do a quickrecap on on John, I want to ask
you a a quick question, Adrian.
This is this is a theory I'vebeen developing, and I haven't
really been able to ask anybodyyet.
Does your do you think, and youmight not initially have an
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answer to this, but do you thinkthe way you see spirit, do you
think it changes based on maybeyour emotions and your your
vibration on that day?
Or is it like can you like toyour left I have a wisp, and to
the right I have like a shadowguy?
Or or is it always like kind ofon let's say on that day
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presenting the same?
Adrienne (16:23):
That's a good question.
I never thought about it ummanifesting or coming up or
showing up uh depending on myemotional state.
Yeah.
Um I've I haven't reallyclocked that.
I really should pay attentionto that and see, you know, if
how they're coming through.
Is it because of the way that Iam perceiving my emotions in
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the world at that moment?
Um, and that could be, thatcould be a factor, you know.
I mean, everything is energy.
So, you know, we can affect youknow energy around us as well.
So that that could be apossibility.
I usually it seems to me, atleast when like a dark entity
comes and a dark shadow comes,I've never seen it in my own
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house.
Like that's not something thatI've ever seen in my own house.
It's always been in anotherlocation that was new to me.
And so anytime I've seen like ashadow figure uh or a you know,
a negative entity, it's beenfunny enough, every time now
that I analyze it, it's alwaysbeen at a hotel.
Um, and that's the times thatI've actually seen them was in a
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hotel room.
Uh, and specifically the onethat I was staying in.
So something, you know, I mean,hotels are like, oh gosh, like
I feel like a beacon of ofenergies.
And um, right, that was theother story.
Frank (17:47):
Yeah, yeah, story with your your friend.
You guys were at a hotel.
Adrienne (17:50):
Yeah, yeah.
And um, and I don't know if Itold you the other story when I
was attacked by an entity.
Frank (17:58):
I think you did, yeah.
Adrienne (17:59):
I think that was.
Lauren (18:01):
Yeah.
Adrienne (18:02):
Yeah.
And so that was in a hotel.
So I I feel like um when thathappens, it's just there's so
many energies that come through,and people bring people along,
and then there's, you know, it'sjust so yeah, yeah.
Frank (18:17):
That's interesting.
Okay.
Adrienne (18:18):
That's a good question.
I never thought of that.
Frank (18:20):
I don't know.
Something something I'm workingon.
I don't I'm not working onanything, I'm just asking
questions.
Lauren (18:25):
Something I'm working on.
Frank (18:28):
And then, and then John, correct me if I'm wrong.
Born spooky made an awesomedeck, right?
Yes.
Lauren (18:36):
And if you haven't heard John's episode, he created a
beautiful deck calledMindscape's Tarot.
Frank (18:44):
It's so nice.
Lauren (18:45):
And he's he illustrated it, and it's so beautiful.
Tell us to also, you have a newbook, which is a Halloween
book.
John (18:54):
Specifically spooky book.
Yes, yes.
Uh yeah.
So I yeah.
I mean, I I was born spooky.
I was always interested in thatsort of stuff, but I don't see
ghosts.
I only see alive people.
Lauren (19:07):
Um but I don't see them either.
It's okay.
John (19:10):
Yeah.
Uh yeah, I mean, I wish.
I wish I did.
Um, in all fairness, Adrian, wehad known each other for like
three years and we're livingtogether until you even
mentioned anything having to dowith that.
You were just like one day youwere just like, There's like a
guy in the corner.
I was like, what are youtalking about?
A guy in the corner.
And you were like, Yeah, I seeghosts.
I was like, what are youtalking about?
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We've been best friends forthree years.
How have I never heard anythingabout this?
Adrienne (19:34):
Yeah, that was in the beginning, like what because
we've been now best friends forhow long?
John (19:38):
It's been like since 2005 or six.
Adrienne (19:44):
Yeah, yeah.
But in the beginning of ourrelationship, I just don't want
to freak people out.
Frank (19:48):
Yeah, yeah.
Adrienne (19:50):
You know, like I don't tell everyone my spiritual
capabilities or like, you know,that I I like to, you know, do
energy healing and things likethat.
Like I don't really tell peopleuh right away because it it not
everyone is into it, you know.
Um and then also to be fair,it's like I'm you know, I'm not
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a practicing medium or psychicor you know, it's one of those
things where it it's just like aa gift, you can say, that I are
an ability that I have.
And then, you know, it's I onlyshare it with people that are
like super, super close to me.
We've known each other for adecent amount.
And um, you know, I also didn'twant people to come up to me,
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be like, hey, can you do me areading?
And I'm like, I'm not likethat.
You know, like it's just Idon't want to disappoint you.
John (20:39):
Can confirm, can confirm that does happen.
Lauren (20:42):
Oh, really?
Oh yeah, yeah, a lot.
John (20:47):
And I but the thing is I'm happy to do it and I enjoy
doing it, but John's actuallyreally good at it.
The moment I tell people I'mreading a tarot deck, like that
there's like a 50% chance ofthat question happening.
Of course, yeah.
Lauren (21:00):
Like, do they expect that you have a deck in your
pocket?
And do you usually?
John (21:05):
No, but I should I guess I should start.
Um no, it's more it's more justlike acquaintances and people
who I will probably see again,but they're like, Oh, wait, can
you read my cards at some point?
Yeah, and I am happy to, butAdrian, I do understand being
hesitant to to shout it from therooftops.
But um I mean most professionalpsychics and mediums start that
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way.
And how you said where it wasjust a gift, and they've simply
chosen to make that theircalling and help other people.
Right.
Frank (21:36):
Oh yeah.
John (21:38):
We s we actually talked on the podcast a little bit
through my tarot deck.
Um a lot of people call my artchanneled because I can't I
envision the artwork, it justkind of appears in my head.
And I got involved with a towncalled Lilydale in uh western
New York that is just a town ofpsychic mediums.
Practically everyone in thetown is a registered medium,
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they all communicate with theother side.
Um they all you know haveclientele that they bring in,
and and it's pretty it's apretty regular thing every
summer.
But I now know like manypsychic mediums.
And it's exactly what you weresaying, Adrian, with like it's
just a gift that they havechosen to share with the wider
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world.
Lauren (22:20):
Sure.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
Some yeah, a lot of people thatwe've talked to have been like,
I couldn't, I couldn't notanswer that poll because it was
so strong that then they uheventually decided to do it as a
professional thing.
But yeah, not everybody takesthat takes that path, and it's
just kind of like thisbackground thing.
Frank (22:42):
It is interesting to note though, like at least on on our
show, like we uh we are alwaysalmost always talking to people
who are psychics uh they'repsychic like practitioners,
right?
So it is very fun to like talkto you two who you're you have a
bunch of other stuff you do,but also you know and you see it
in our films.
John (23:00):
I mean, that's the only funny thing is that it comes
out.
Frank (23:03):
Yeah.
Lauren (23:04):
That's what I was gonna ask you next, is like because so
could because Frank and I arewriters too, and we haven't
written anything in the horrorgenre at all.
But every time we we likewatching scary movies, and it's
so funny.
I feel like the spiritualaspect can like inform you
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differently as a writer, becausesometimes we're like, I don't
know, we'd want to be more likegrounded in we're not gonna make
tarot like a scary thing orwhatever.
Like, how does it inform youguys when you're writing stuff?
Are you like, let's be more inlike reality or let's make this
as scary as possible?
Frank (23:49):
And sub question the classic tropes that you know, as
writers, you know, your vieweryour viewers are expecting to
see some things, and it's okaybecause that's how you like
signal that what type of moviethis is, right?
But but how do you address thethe classic tropes?
Like, you know, being someonewho makes tarot, like do you
always do the scary cards, oryou know, like how does it
present for you?
John (24:10):
Well, now I feel bad.
Like now when I'm writing, I'mlike, uh, people just expect
like the devil card and thensomebody dies or whatever.
Frank (24:17):
Right.
John (24:18):
But but you now you know better.
And and now, like, I mean, Imade my deck several years ago.
Before then, maybe I was lesssensitive to it, but now I'm
sort of like, okay, well, howcan I take what I'd have learned
about tarot, about theseesoteric communities, and how
can I write a script that iscompelling based on the truth of
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those communities?
So it's just another way ofthinking about it.
But I do find personally,whenever I write horror, even if
it's like kind of slashery,there's almost always a
supernatural element to it.
And I think that I've justalways been drawn toward that
sort of gray area in life.
I just think that's where theinteresting things happen.
You know, going from what weknow into what we don't know.
Adrienne (25:01):
Well, yeah, I, you know, for me, I guess because um
so much of my um history withuh spiritual aspects or
metaphysics is is you know morepsychic related or uh spirit
related.
Um anytime that we do any kindof film, I do kind of draw
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toward some of the reality, butif I do too much reality, it
kind of gets boring.
You know, because it it reallyisn't like, you know, at least
for me, uh experiencing spiritsis not it's not what you see in
the films.
It's not so extreme, you know.
Like I I think every film takesa creative liberty because they
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know they have to entertain.
If I was doing somethingfactual, it would have just been
a ghost in a corner and thenthat was it.
And you're like, well, that wasexciting.
You know, like you want to seelike the spirit throwing things
around and throwing you aroundand throwing, you know,
someone's gotta get thrownaround.
Never that extreme.
And so, um, you know, I I havebeen actually wanting to write a
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film in the metaphysical realmthat has nothing to do with
horror or thriller, and and infact, maybe like a drama um that
that uses uh metaphysics.
And uh my mom actually pitchedme an idea, which I was like, I
like that, you know, I actuallylike the idea.
Lauren (26:25):
So uh I love that my mom was pitching me a movie idea,
but um, you know that's amazing.
Adrienne (26:30):
But it was but it was in the metaphysics and in and in
um reincarnation and all thisstuff, and I was just like, I
actually really like that idea.
So just kind of have to figureout how to make it into a
compelling story, you know.
Frank (26:44):
I know because if you lean into like the app like the
reality of things, uh every oneof your movies is gonna be like,
and then everything was okay.
It wasn't so bad.
Lauren (26:55):
Or like, I don't know, I've had ideas that then it's
like, but how do you put thatinto a film without it feeling
like so dorky or like righteasy, you know what I mean?
Like there's there's that likehow do you how do you have like
a film where there's acommunication with like a spirit
and it's like really sweet andnot like I don't know, Casper
(27:18):
the friendly thing it's almostlike the supernatural element
can't be the scary thing.
John (27:25):
It's like the scary thing is the thing that is actually
grounded in reality and how likeyeah, people hurt one another
here, and the supernaturalelement is sort of almost like
the mentor force.
You know what I mean?
That's like the the thing thatallows the the protagonist to
kind of solve the mystery orlike move forward, but it's it's
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not the scary thing in and ofitself.
We should write that.
Adrienne (27:49):
We should write that, John.
That's our next film.
There you go.
We're already brainstorming.
Because I love that.
I love that idea.
John (27:58):
I was just gonna say, did you see there was a scary movie,
scary thriller that came outrecently called Presents by
Steven Soderbergh?
Adrienne (28:06):
I've been thinking about that today.
John (28:07):
That's excellent.
Adrienne (28:08):
It was excellent.
John (28:10):
Kind of does what we just talked about.
Adrienne (28:12):
Right, yeah, exactly.
That's cool.
Frank (28:14):
That's a that's like a uh but it's presented as like a
standard haunted house, right?
Is am I wrong?
Or am I thinking someone else?
John (28:20):
It's like a haunted house turned on its head a little bit.
Frank (28:22):
Okay.
John (28:23):
I don't want to give too much away, but it's definitely
worth watching.
And the supernatural forceisn't the antagonist.
Got it.
Frank (28:32):
That's fun.
Lauren (28:33):
Yeah.
Frank (28:34):
Someone's doing it.
Lauren (28:35):
You guys are fundraising for something right now, or or
in the world.
Is it been pre-production?
Adrienne (28:44):
It's it's in development right now.
It's um, yeah, it's a kind oflike a genre-bending horror film
feature called No One Leaves.
And that one, that one we're umwe're pitching, we're working
on maybe getting a co-producingcompany.
So we're doing that and dealingwith meet meetings and um just
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also looking at basicallyraising the funds ourselves and
getting investors ourselves.
And you know, it's it's trickybecause when you do get a
co-producing company, it startspivoting and changing, and and
we really believe in thestructure.
It's a little different thanusual, and and it you have so
many genres of horror in onefilm, so it's super exciting and
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um oh that's right.
Okay, yeah.
Yeah, so so we'll see.
You know, we're we're we'rereally gunning for this one.
We think it's gonna be um asuper fun one to make.
And you know, like as afilmmaker, and it's funny
because I feel like all of usare such peaceful, loving,
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happy, you know what I mean?
Like we're we don't look likepeople that are making horror
films in in retrospect, youknow.
Lauren (29:54):
Like I think people look at me and they're like, You're
you have such a sweet face, andthen I'm just like, I make
Adrienne (30:00):
horror movies you know um look like look horror and i
feel like john and i are suchlike kind hearted people and
it's so funny because him and iwe're actors as well and we tend
to play villains a lot and likeyou know like i i play like
this like angry broodinggunslinging villain and then and
(30:22):
then john plays like the scaryslasher you know stalker guys
and things five no stilts hatedyeah no stilts can you imagine
me stalking somebody on stiltsno that'd be amazing actually we
didn't even create a characterthat that actually this is you
just remind me of something backwhen I was in college um a
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friend of mine had these likereally tall like chunky boots
these like really high heel Imean they were like an eight
inch almost like a stripper likeheel and I put them on I was
probably drunk but I like chasedher down the hall and she had a
Polaroid camera and took like aflash photo oh my god I have no
(31:05):
idea where that photo ended upbut I remember I literally look
like the crooked man yeah inlike in the conjuring I'm like
in this hallway like toweringabove on these giant like
stiletto boots or that's amazingthat is horrible can confirm
it's terrifying we need it weneed to create a character like
that for sure I just like makeyour height even higher yeah but
(31:29):
the benefit though of that isthat one if once you get too
tall then you just have T-Rexarms there's no stabbing
happening from a way up there.
Yeah yeah but you know I thinkdoing the the horror film where
I think because we're soopposite I that's why we can
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dive into that world and and useour own fears and dramas and um
turn them into some form ofentertainment which is an odd
way of healing but it kind of isin a weird way.
John (32:06):
It's catharsis it's like you see it on screen and you can
and it ends and you've survivedand everybody you know and and
you can come out of it almostlike I I feel like that's a very
powerful psychological thing.
I think that's why so manypeople like horror and I think
that's probably why we gravitatetoward it.
Adrienne (32:27):
I think it's a combination of that and then if
you if you look at our historyhow we've evolved with violence
which sounds like a terriblething to say but if you think
about like even a cavemansurviving and and trying not to
get eaten by a wild animal itthere's always been some aspect
of violence within our um withinour uh growth as as a human as
(32:54):
humans right and so I think nowbecause we're you know we're not
living in the dark ages whereit seemed like everyone was
getting murdered every day infront of our eyes yeah it's like
it like manifests as like filmsin a way which it's interesting
but um yeah scratches anintellectual or uh instinctual
(33:14):
itch or something.
Lauren (33:15):
Yeah right exactly like that's such a great way to think
about it though to John likethe the like watching someone
survive is is especially somelike horrifying trauma you're
like watching it lay out andlike see them they're they're
gonna be pretty emotionallyscarred but you're watching them
actually like survive you madeit you know and we feel like we
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made it when we see that youknow yeah right wait I want to
hear I feel like John had atleast one story about Lily Dale.
John (33:47):
Yeah it in the Dale um in the dale Lily Dale uh I got
invited to do some seances withsome of the mediums there and um
they were like classicVictorian red light seances and
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for people who don't know whatthat is basically you go into a
room and um often the room islike it has like curtains all
around just to kind of containand and and um eliminate any
sound that might come from theoutside.
It's completely dark except fora single red light bulb.
And there's a chair often itcan it used to be inside an
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actual cabinet like in a cabinetwith a door that closes.
That's why it's called themediums cabinet.
But then the mediums take turnsor I guess there can just be
one medium going into thecabinet and connecting with the
spirit and delivering messagesto people who are who are
gathered there.
And in the seances that I wentto there were you know well
(34:54):
established mediums who wentinto the cabinet and connected
with different spirits and anddifferent messages came through.
But then they were also open toanyone going and sitting in the
cabinet and getting into sortof a meditative receptive state
and seeing if anything camethrough for them.
Because one of the tenets ofspiritualism in Lilydale is that
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everyone has the capacity to bea a medium.
Everyone can do this you justhave to train your mind to get
quiet and and receive themessages.
So I went into the cabinetseveral times and I started
bringing a notepad with me and apiece of charcoal because
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sometimes these messages canmanifest as automatic drawing
which is where you uh you wantto completely clear your mind
and allow a spirit to basicallyinhabit your body and draw
through your hand.
There is another form of thatcalled mental mediumship where
you stay in control.
(35:58):
You're just kind of liketranscribing a message that you
might be receiving.
They're two very differentthings and I tried both but um
some really cool things camethrough and uh again like I
don't know I try not to parse ittoo deeply because I think that
that kind of ruins the themystery of it.
But um I don't know if it's anentity or my own subconscious
(36:21):
mind but some really cooldrawings came through and like
you can see of course there'slike scribbles but then you can
see clearly like faces andanimals and structures and and
like landscape forms and um Itook that process home and I've
started to create an an Oracledeck out of these drawings.
(36:42):
Yeah so it's basically just Iyou know I'll write a book and
I'll describe the process thatkind of journals each channeling
session and what came throughwhat I saw in the drawings.
But I want it to be veryinterpretive so people can just
kind of draw a card and see whatthey see in it, you know, ask a
question and see what they seeto get some sort of guidance.
(37:03):
So that was my experience inthe spirit cabinet at Lilydale
soon to be a card deck.
Frank (37:09):
That is really cool wait Lauren explain Oracle cards real
quick.
I don't think we've ever talkedabout on the show.
John (37:14):
Maybe John's the one to explain an Oracle deck can be
whatever you want.
Like you know tarot and there'sanother uh card reading
tradition called Lenormond thatI'm also doing a deck for um
they have more establishedstructures so like each card
means a specific thing orrepresents a specific archetype
(37:35):
in Oracle decks it can literallybe whatever you want.
It's almost like um it's on theaudience or the viewer to
interpret what they're seeing.
So you can you can have symbolsyou can have words you can have
pictures like whatever anythinggoes that's what an Oracle deck
is.
Lauren (37:55):
That's dangerous for me and you because I feel like at
some point we're gonna be likewe are going to create an art
you absolutely should youabsolutely make so many fart
jokes on cards.
Frank (38:07):
I don't know what's going on that's literally going to be
the entire deck yeah ah thisfart.
Wait so for that Oracle deckbecause some Oracle decks will
be like you know it'll have areally cool piece of art and
then on the back it'll be likethis this black cat sees you and
says how is your day going andyou are led to your inner
(38:28):
guidance for and it's like ohare you are you drafting up like
these little stories or is itjust the image?
John (38:34):
In my deck it's gonna be just the image.
I want it to be completely justwhat came through.
But that's the beauty of anOracle deck is that it can be
multimedia like you can have apicture and then a word or even
like a phrase or like a snippetof a poem or something that you
have like it's kind of cool thatit can it can just be whatever
(38:56):
you want to communicate.
Yeah but actually hold on Ijust realized literally right
over here I have my folder ofthese drawings that I've been
doing like in this for examplelike in this one like you
clearly see like eyes and likeit's a bit of a Picasso.
Adrienne (39:14):
Right I mean right like you can see you can see the
face you can see like you cansee faces or like facial
structures and right but I meanyou can flip it they can be read
in any direction that you wantum that's really cool.
John (39:28):
Yeah I mean I did like with different color charcoals
and stuff.
Frank (39:32):
Yeah I did want to ask you like what what is your
latest film and and you said umwell hold on is this the film
that you're raising funds for oris it the film that is okay can
we hear a little bit about it?
Or give us the log line?
Adrienne (39:44):
Yeah for sure I mean it's it's a a a group of
strangers that um are kind oflike tied up, beat up they have
no idea how they got where theyare tied up in they're tied up
in a quant set.
And um yeah it it starts rightaway like it goes and they kind
of start accusing each other.
They have no idea how they gotthere but um eventually when
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they leave um their own traumasmanifest as their own horror
film.
So every person's trauma is isyou know a different genre of
horror basically that's so cool.
Yeah and and we find out moreof exactly what's going on in
the end but um but yeah it's avery exciting I think it's a
(40:27):
very exciting film.
It's also just super fun foractors to like have their own
like mini horrors and then um II feel like it would be great
for a cinematographer becauseyou're hitting so many genres
and and the art departmentmulti-genre thing would come
into play yeah.
Yeah uh-huh so one of thecharacters is a a war veteran
(40:47):
another character there's uh setof brother brothers who are
podcasters who uh were abductedand so that's their trauma and
things like that.
So I think it's it's gonna be areally fun one to to check out.
Frank (41:00):
Oh that sounds so cool.
That's yeah what's the title?
Adrienne (41:04):
No one leaves no one leaves that's so fun and that
and that actually the idea ofthat came up in a dream because
John and I wrote like a ton ofblog lines and we're pitching
each other different film ideasfor like a month.
And then you know because wewere like well what's gonna
what's the next film that we'regonna write and co-write
(41:24):
together and focus on and um andthen I had I had this crazy
dream about this and I I pitchedit to John and John was like
this is it and then we were likeokay great let's go and so um
we co-wrote it I think it tookus what like two months to write
we're in our um technically Iwould say like our third draft
(41:47):
uh but uh yeah I mean it's wereally love it.
We think it's gonna be a a goodtime and but also like
horrifying at the same timewhich is what you want for a
horror film.
Yeah and uh it's an ensemblepiece has a Latina lead
technically and I I say thatjust because of the structure is
(42:08):
a little different.
We're taking uh artistic riskson the structure but uh you know
I I think uh a good example ofa film that just did that was
weapons and so and that had avery good um uh turnout I guess
and and a lot of people lovedand we loved it so and they took
artistic risks on theirstructure as well so you know um
(42:30):
yeah we're we're excited and Ibut I feel like you know with
dreams they they really aretelling and um gosh there's just
so much so much you can getfrom it and I feel like I've had
dreams where I knew was a pastlife you know where it was
almost like a past life memoryof some sort that have popped in
(42:52):
you know and manifested and Iwas like whoa that was a little
too real you know yeah I don'tknow have you guys ever had
dreams like that where you werelike I know this is a past life
recollection.
Frank (43:05):
I've never had a dream like that I want to so we we we
oh man we are threateningnonstop on the show to really
look um get an expert on thehuman design are you familiar
with human design yes yes we'vebeen talking about it nonstop
but we haven't found likesomeone who actually wants to
come on and like talk I thinkbecause it's such a in-depth
(43:25):
yeah it's hard to like verydetail like here's what human
design is without like thengetting into each thing and if
you don't know what it is thenit's like how is this helping?
But I I do a lot of reading anddigging and um so I just
recently found out in humandesign there's a concept of like
everyone has their like um howthey interact with the world.
(43:47):
You know I we Lauren and I areboth called manifesting
generators but we have I'm amanifesting generator as well
yeah I think I am too I thinkit's a so the way in general the
way that's supposed to work outis that we are best when we are
responding to something.
You guys just like Lauren and Ihave you guys have set up a
system where you are pitching toeach other and then you get
(44:09):
some kind of affirmation andthen it it builds this like
you're like a uh like a nuclearreactor for creativity.
Yeah you're just constantlyresponding to each other I want
to put that on our websitesnuclear reacting creation
creators so what I did just findout is that when you are in a
(44:29):
dream state or a sleep state youyour type changes so and and
that can reflect the way inwhich you dream and what you
dream about.
So for me I don't remember whatI am I think you are a
projector.
I think it was a projector.
And the majority of my dreamsand I this is accurate uh the
majority of my dreams are aboutprotecting or trying to um so I
(44:55):
have so many dreams where likethe majority like like my
daughter will do some dumb shit.
I'll be like stop don't don'trun into the street like you're
gonna get hit by a car and I'llgrab her just in time.
It's always about like guardingor protecting or something.
Lauren (45:07):
Or there's an emergency and I am taking my time to get
out the door and Frank sofrustrated because I'm not
listening.
Frank (45:14):
And going like decades back I can remember like one of
my one of my more traumaticdreams was that there was some
big event going on in the worldand my dad who is as stubborn as
I am I was just trying toconvince him what was happening.
I was like we need to go and hewas like we don't need to go
right now he's Cuban.
Oh we don't need to go there'sno rush there's no reason to do
that right now I'm like Dad wegotta go so many of my dreams
(45:39):
are about guarding andprotecting and trying to like
like contain something that'sgoing on.
Adrienne (45:43):
Wow I I feel like I'm learning something about myself
because that's exactly what Ihave a lot of dreams of where
I'm always the one that's likewhy are you not understanding?
Come on you know like it'salways that kind of dream and
it's like a family member friendmy husband I'm like why would
you do that?
Come with me you know and so orshooting somebody but I'm
(46:07):
trying to like protect everyonefrom this one person you know
like yeah interesting that's howI that's how I dream too.
John (46:13):
It's great if you're a horror writer right Adrian you
should mention we're doingsomething kind of cool and
experimental um shooting minishort horror films.
They might not all be horroreventually we might branch out
in genres but right now we'redoing these mini short horror
films that we're shooting on aniPhone.
(46:34):
And they're like good like theylook great.
The new iPhones are excellentbut Adrian can talk more about
this.
Frank (46:43):
Yeah I mean we we do I'm sorry I don't want to interrupt
you I just want to say I I'msuch a fan of minimalist
production and not because of umlaziness or anything like that
but because of the the creativeflow that you're allowed to get
into and like how expensive someof these other projects can be
(47:03):
when you're like I just shot afive minute scene and that comes
out to being $2,000 a minute orsomething you know based on how
however big your crew is.
Adrienne (47:12):
So say more about it please yeah so it's called
iPhone Frights and we're we'rebasically releasing one a month.
And yeah they're like theseeither they're two to five
minutes long and we make thesekind of like fun different
horror genre shorts and umeither I write them or John
(47:36):
writes them and and we have somany talented actor friends that
we just ask our actor friendshey do you want to be a part of
this and and have something foryour real but also just you know
let's play you know becauselet's have fun and play because
the industry is so bizarre rightnow and so weird um we're all
auditioning but nothing's reallyhappening and I have I even
(47:57):
have friends who are who werejust series regulars in
different TV shows and and havehad to go back to their
workforce like the regularworkforce because there hasn't
been any bookings and it's we'reall we're all working a side
hustle right and you know weneed something that keeps our
creativity going and and ourhappiness going and um I
associate uh creativity withhappiness and so um where can
(48:22):
you find are they on yourYouTube or yeah they're on our
YouTube channel The GarageProductions and um sometimes
we'll release them on onInstagram or TikTok as well.
We just started doing that.
But um there's gonna be onehopefully I'm I'm like trying to
edit it as quick as I can uhreleased on Halloween um called
(48:43):
found you and um there they'reyou know it's amazing what you
can do with the iPhone I I am II learned a lot about it and I
learned a lot about how to shooton it and how to properly shoot
on it and how to like you knowchange the frame rates and all
this kind of stuff so that itcan look more like a legit
camera as opposed to a phone.
(49:04):
Yeah and so the quality of themare actually pretty good
especially for a a phone and umyeah I mean it's been a really
fun creative tool uh because itallows us to experiment on
genres, on styles that we wouldnot normally be able to
(49:24):
experiment on unless we'reraising you know thousands of
dollars to shoot another shortfilm and we were like why don't
we just experiment this way andit's it's been really really fun
like we've all just been havingso much fun working together in
this capacity and then justhaving something really fun to
share right after it.
Yeah it's been and it as adirector it's great because it
(49:48):
allows me to experiment withgenres and with styles and you
know that kind of thing.
John (49:53):
So we shoot them in like three to four hours and like our
last one we shot with literallythree people it looks great.
Like the the entire cast andcrew three people well except it
looks great except for thescene that I shot because I'm
not a cinematographer so that'sthere's one scene that's like
very mid.
But um everything elseeverything else that Adrian
shoots looks great.
Just must be John scene.
Adrienne (50:15):
Yeah yeah you will literally you'll see it and
you'll be like there it is thereit is you know it's been really
fun too because I'm directingbut I'm also the cinematographer
I'm also sound I'm also gaffingso like I'm doing all the jobs
and and that's been fun for metoo not to say that I want to do
that all the time but you knowwith these shorts I I learn a
(50:37):
lot by doing it.
So um so yeah it's it's been areally a really fun tool almost
guys thank you so much forhanging out with us tell us
where to find your your projectsgive us all your plugs uh so uh
you can find us in variouslocations but uh the garage
productions uh we have a websitecalled thegarageproductions dot
(50:58):
com so thegarageproductionswithin us dot com and um also we
have an Instagram same titlethe garage productions and then
for myself it's literally myname so it's Adrian Acevedo love
it and then you'll find awebsite with that name you'll
(51:18):
find my Instagram with that nameum directed I my my directing
website is directed by AdrianAcevedo love it but it all
interconnects so it's super easyto find me and um and find our
work and you know help us makemovies if you can support in
that way.
(51:38):
And yeah.
John (51:40):
And um my my socials are just my name it's john.a dot
rice uh the website iswww.jarstudio nyc.com and that's
all my art stuff um like Adriansaid the garageproductions.com
uh you can see all of our filmprojects and the last the only
other thing that I wanted to addwas this book that I just
(52:02):
released it's called OctoberShadows classic ghost stories
for Halloween perfect for spookyseason it's got 13 excellent
ghost stories and I illustratedthe whole thing on autumn leaves
um so it's a super cool giftbook for the season or even if
you want to read like a storynight leading up to Halloween uh
October Shadows you can find itwherever you get your books.
(52:25):
Yeah it's a gorgeous book that'sawesome themselves it's it's a
beautiful beautiful book that'sfantastic oh man thank you both
so much for hanging out with uswhat a blast I think next
Halloween if I'm hoping to seeyou guys at a film festival
before then but next Halloween Ithink it's we gotta get in
person we got to do some kind ofsome kind of ghost hunting
(52:46):
right oh my gosh we shouldtotally do that do the travelog
publish let's plan it too funand we'll film the whole thing
on an iPhone yes yeah let's doit I'm down annual Adrian
Halloween special Adrian I loveit I think it's so fun all right
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