November 13, 2025 • 59 mins
In this 2-part episode, we chatted with human design expert and practitioner Lauren Noble for an in-depth tour of the five types—Manifestors, Generators, Manifesting Generators, Projectors, and Reflectors—and how each one can make better decisions, protect their energy, and find more ease day to day.
Lauren shares her path into human design and why the system clicked at a cellular level for her, then we dig into practical, real-life examples. If you’ve ever felt drained, misunderstood, or stuck in the wrong lane, this conversation offers a map back to yourself.
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Lauren L (00:01):
Hey there, all you beautiful creatures of the
moonlight.
In today's episode, which ispart of a human design series,
we talked with Lauren Noble, ahuman design expert and
practitioner.
We are finally discussing humandesign, and Lauren knows all
the ins and outs of it.
I'm Lauren Leon.
And I'm starting with the manin the mirror! Oh yeah! We are a
(00:25):
married couple learning how todevelop our own intuition, and
this is episode 92 of ClaireVoyaging.
Wayfeather Media presents ClareVoyaging.
Frank (00:55):
Feeling good?
Feeling great.
Lauren L (00:58):
Happy day.
Frank (00:58):
It almost sounded like we had a plan for we practiced
this thing.
Lauren L (01:03):
We never do.
Happy, happy day.
Frank (01:05):
They know.
Lauren L (01:06):
They know it.
You guys know it.
This is episode 92.
By now, you know.
We're winging it all the time.
Frank (01:14):
You know that we don't know.
Lauren L (01:16):
You know, we have plans, and then we also don't
have plans.
So that is that's accuratething you've ever seen.
Lauren in a nutshell.
Frank (01:29):
I'm in there too, pal.
Dude.
We've been threatening this fora long time.
Lauren L (01:38):
It's been it's been coming coming for a while.
Frank (01:41):
And now here it is.
Lauren L (01:43):
Yeah.
Frank (01:44):
After much delay and much teasing, and you probably have
maybe already looked into it,but here we go, in in an
official capacity.
Here's the Clara Voyagingthree-part series of What the
Hell is Human Design?
Lauren L (01:57):
Yeah.
Frank (01:58):
And I'm pretty excited about it.
And you probably already know alittle bit about us, but get
ready to know a little bit aboutus in the in the human design
context.
Lauren L (02:07):
Always learning, you know?
Always learning.
Frank (02:09):
You know what?
Are you ready to find youprobably already know I'm kind
of weird and messed up.
Just wait till you see thatit's part of my design.
Lauren L (02:17):
So anyway, this episode is going to break down
the basics of human design typesin this episode.
And then next week we're goingto have all of the profiles.
And Lauren really does a greatjob of explaining everything.
Frank (02:33):
Yeah, so it's going to be Lauren for part one, part two,
and then we have someone namedLori coming for part three.
And Laurie is going to get intomore of the details of the
channels and how that alloperates.
If you didn't hear our warninglast week, if you could do us a
favor and go download an app, weuse an app called HumdesCom.
Just throw it in the app store.
I know it doesn't seem like itmakes sense.
You're going to need yourbirthday, you're going to need
(02:54):
your time of birth, you're goingto need to know where you were
born.
Hopefully most of us know thatlast one.
But you might need to ask mommyfor the time of birth, or if
you have an app you prefer.
But the one I said is free.
It's really good.
Lauren L (03:08):
It's very in-depth.
Frank (03:11):
Yeah.
Lauren L (03:11):
It's complicated.
Frank (03:12):
So and with that, let's take it away.
Part one of three human design.
Letter rip.
Lauren L (03:22):
Lauren, thank you so much for joining us on Claire
Voyaging.
We're so excited because we'venever had a human design expert
on our podcast.
And we've been threatening it.
We've been warning ourlisteners, and we told them last
week, to prepare themselves andunderstand a little bit of
their own human design type andprofile, just so we could like
(03:46):
jump right in and you can kindof give us a little bit of
explainer.
But first, can you give us alittle bit of backstory about
you and how what kind of led youinto this doing this work?
Lauren N (04:00):
Yeah.
And uh I just want to say I'mvery happy to be here.
I bumped into your guys'podcast just I think three days
ago.
And um anyway, so it felt verymeant to be, and I'm very happy
to be here.
Frank (04:13):
Oh man, cool.
Lauren N (04:14):
Um so uh a bit about me.
Um I found human design in2019.
It was right uh after mymarriage ended, and I found
myself as a single mom of two,and um had no idea where to go
or who I was, and I kind ofthrew myself into astrology and
(04:35):
manifestation, and it was on amanifestation podcast that they
had a human design person on,and she was talking about how um
the person was a projector, andshe was making it seem so like
empowering and special.
And I was like, wow, this isthis is so cool.
(04:56):
And I looked at my chart and Iwas like, oh my gosh, I'm a
projector too.
And from that point, I justlike locked on to the system in
a way that um I haven't reallylocked on to anything before.
Like I wasn't, you know, biginto school growing up.
I had a hard time rememberingthings and recalling
information.
But with human design, it'slike everything that I learned,
(05:20):
I just absorbed it.
And I it's like I um uh I endedup having like a photographic
memory with it, where likeeverything that I learned, I
could recall it and see exactlywhere I learned it.
And then when I looked atpeople's charts, I could
memorize their charts.
And so I just startedresearching it like crazy, like
(05:42):
listening to podcasts, readingblogs.
Um, I bought some of thelectures from the founder.
And after a couple of years ofjust absorbing that um and
having friends and familymembers talk to me about it, and
I started to just see throughthe lens of human design, like,
oh, well, this is energeticallywhat's happening with you or
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with your kids.
And I could recall their chartsin my mind, and I started to
see that I was able to get theminto a place of more ease and
acceptance of themselves and ofthe other person.
And at that point, I started tofeel like, okay, I need to
invest in this and myself andlearning this.
(06:25):
And um, I was also doingrelationship coaching on the
side, and everyone that came tome, I started to look up their
human design and I would justtell them stuff, and it was
creating more impact thananything else I had done.
Oh, wow.
Yeah.
So um, so I invested in somecourses.
(06:46):
Um, I took three differentones, and all of them, it felt a
bit disappointing because Iknew everything already.
Um, I had already researchedthe heck out of um the system
itself.
And uh I ended up, I createdsome friends in the human design
community, and I was expressingsome frustration.
(07:08):
Like, I just want to learn thesystem deeper.
I keep investing in it, and Ijust feel like this traditional
path isn't quite right for me.
Um, and I was also noticing, Ifelt like a lot of people that
did go the traditional path,it's like they were saying
things like directly quoting thefounder, but like that was kind
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of their limited view.
It wasn't this embodied, um,diverse way that I was seeing
the system in the world.
Because as I was mentoringpeople and coaching them and
memorizing their charts andobserving them, I started to
realize that there were so manymore nuances than um originally
what I thought that there were.
Frank (07:53):
Yeah.
Lauren N (07:54):
And so um I had a friend, she was like, Okay, this
is like super top secret, butthere is this file.
And she sent it to me and ithad all of the founders'
lectures on it, like everything,all of his classes he had ever
done, like so much, just in thishuge folder that logged down my
(08:14):
phone and my computer.
Um, and I just starteddevouring it.
I started going througheverything and really like
strengthening my foundation inthe system and getting to a
place of what felt likeembodying it and understanding
it in a way where it's like Ithe more I learned it, the more
(08:37):
I saw the world through thatlens and everything just started
firing and connecting.
And um, I went through thatentire folder twice.
It took me two years, um 2022to 2024.
And um, and then I I stopped uhdoing human design, which I
(08:58):
really only did um readings forreferral.
So like friends or family wouldrefer people to me.
I taught a couple classes andum I wasn't marketing it because
I just I'm so I'm a one-three,and one threes never feel ready.
We never feel like we knowenough.
And I'm curious, Frank, if youfeel that way because you're
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also a first line.
There's just this like oh myGod.
You're like, I know I don'tknow enough, I don't want to go
into the void.
Um, there's like this impostersyndrome.
Um, but I so in 2024, well, Imet like the love of my life in
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uh 2023, 2023, and then I becamepregnant with my third child in
2024, and I just kind of put apause on human design.
I stopped researching it, but Istill kept seeing the world
through that lens and you know,coaching the people that would
come to me.
And um, and then I had my baby,and my husband retired me from
(10:01):
my nine to five, and I just feltthis fire of like, I have to do
this again, and I know I'mready.
I've been studying this systemfor six years, and so I like
launched my website, I umstarted sharing about it again,
I started doing readings again,and um, it's like the space that
(10:21):
I took from it, which I'm athird line like you, Lauren.
And so sometimes we just needto like pause a bond and then
come back to it, and it's likeso refreshing and so empowering
to like get back into this bond,and that's how it felt.
It just feels like this is likemy karma.
(10:43):
This is the system that I wasmeant to learn and master and
how I'm meant to fulfill mypurpose.
Frank (10:51):
That's so cool.
Lauren L (10:53):
I love that.
What a nice story, also.
Yeah, yeah.
Frank (10:55):
You're a great storyteller, also.
That was very succinct and likethat made sense.
Lauren L (10:58):
Yeah, yeah.
It was very linear.
And if you I mean, congrats,like that that baby is very new.
Yeah.
Lauren N (11:12):
Yes, she's uh seven months today, actually.
And she's my little manifestochild.
So manifestors are theinitiators, and she initiated me
into like a whole differentlife and initiated our family
coming together.
And oh my god.
Um, and it all just happened insuch a beautiful, wonderful
way.
Oh, that's so cool.
(11:33):
I love that so much.
Frank (11:35):
Just so the audience is aware, let's go over real
quickly.
Um I know this is hard becauseit's a complicated story, but
who is the person that createdthe system?
Lauren N (11:52):
So his his spiritual name was Ra Uru Who.
Um and essentially he had thisexperience.
So he was a 5-1 Scelenicmanifester, and it's a pretty
like woo-woo story.
So stay with me.
Um, but essentially, hedescribes this encounter.
(12:15):
He was living in a visa, um,and he was hiding away from the
world.
And, you know, fifth lines,which you're a fifth line too,
um, Lauren, like people tend toburn you at the stake.
It's like they put you on apedestal and like they love you
or they hate you, or they loveyou and then they hate you.
And a lot of a lot of fifthlines I encounter, they get so
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burned out and paranoid and justtired of the projection field,
and they just want to go away.
So Ra, he was in Abiza living avery simple life, and he had
this experience where he camehome with his dog, and all of a
sudden his dog just kind of likefell over.
(13:00):
And he said that all of thewater like left his body, and it
was this like very painfulexperience.
And this voice said, It's timeto get to work.
And for seven days, he was likein this trance where the human
design system was like beingimplanted into his body, and
(13:21):
it's through all these differentmodalities so astrology, the
Ichin, the Kabbalah, the chakrasystem, and also quantum
physics, and it encompasses allof these different modalities
together to give you like thisenergetic blueprint.
And he, when he got the systemdownloaded, um, he said at first
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he just felt like crazy.
He's like, Who's gonna believethis?
Yeah, but he started to doreadings for people and charting
them, and people started torealize like this is really
accurate, this is reallyhelpful, and it kind of just
started taking off from there.
Lauren L (13:58):
Was his dog okay?
I am very concerned about thedog.
Okay.
Lauren N (14:03):
Oh my gosh, I'm so sorry I didn't say that.
Yeah, the dog was okay.
It like went under this trancetoo, and so it was like asleep
all the time.
And he said, as soon as theexperience ended, all of the
water went back into his bodyand his dog immediately just
perked back up again.
And it was like it was over.
It's like time like pausedwhile it was being downloaded
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into his system.
Frank (14:26):
Hold on.
The idea of did he like springa leak?
What are we looking at here?
This is that's a confusing way.
That's a confusing thing.
Lauren N (14:34):
I know, I know.
It is um, it's like this, butif you're going to learn human
design, you gotta know thefoundation of it and how it came
to be.
Frank (14:43):
Yeah.
Lauren N (14:43):
And um, I mean, as somebody who didn't experience
it, I have listened to severallectures of him talking about
the experience.
It is pretty like, you know,esoteric and pretty like out
there.
Um, and so regardless of Ifeel, you know, if there are
certain things that maybe heleft out or something, I don't
(15:05):
know.
Yeah.
But the system I feel speaksfor itself beyond how it came to
be.
Lauren L (15:12):
Yeah.
It it's really funny to knowhow it started.
And to explain that to someonelike my very science-minded
brother.
I would never really tell himwhere it came from because he'd
be like, Well, okay, I don'tbelieve any of this now.
But yeah, we're we're in theworld of like, you know,
(15:35):
intuition and spirits and youknow, all that.
So we we we talk aboutdownloads and all that.
Yeah, but it is funny to likewhen you do your logical brain
goes like, okay.
Lauren N (15:50):
As him being a five-one, there is so much
projection that goes on to fifthlines too.
And you see in the human designcommunity, people either really
put him on a pedestal or theyhate him.
Like people have really pushedagainst him because like he had
a background in marketing, andhe had um a lot of people that
he originally trained to doreadings and who helped him
(16:12):
build the business, they endedup like going separate ways.
And so there is somecontroversy around him in the
community.
Um, but I mean, having listenedto his lectures, because
essentially he's the person thatI learned my foundation from,
was going through his lecturesand his courses, and there is
(16:35):
this very grounding presencelike in his voice.
And it's like the way that hetalks and the way that like my
body reacted to it, it felt veryempowering and not like this is
you know, danger or this is bador wrong, but like this guy
(16:56):
really knows what he's talkingabout, and what he's doing is
he's empowering people to bethemselves and to love
themselves and to essentiallyget the life that they came here
to live.
And something that I love umthat he taught is that we're not
here to be miserable.
Like suffering is inevitable,but it's by not being ourself
(17:16):
and self-abandoning and makingchoices that you know we know
we're not supposed to make, thatis what causes so much
resistance in our life.
That is what's harming ourspirit.
But when we are ourselves, whenwe're moving through the world
as ourselves, then theresistance that we encounter,
it's what's meant for us.
It's what we are here to learnand grow from.
(17:37):
And we're not here to just bethis like bogged down, beaten
down species, but to beempowered and to live our
purpose that we came here tolive.
Frank (17:46):
That's so true.
At the very least, I mean, youcan say whatever you want about
that, about the origin of humandesign, but also after however
many episodes of the podcast, wehave come to that conclusion
too.
Yeah.
And the real lesson is in thechallenges you face, and that
should be that can be anexciting thing depending on your
mindset when you approach it.
It's it's once again, we say itwe've said it a few times about
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choosing your heart.
Do you want to kick and screamthe whole way?
Or do you want to be like,cool, a new way to like test my
theory of how to be myself?
Lauren L (18:16):
Yeah.
When you're not living intoyour actual human design, that
has been really helpful for meto understand.
Frank (18:25):
Right.
So at this point, I'm hopingeveryone, all the listeners,
because this is a deep, deep,deep will.
Lauren L (18:30):
Yeah.
Frank (18:30):
At this point, I'm hoping all the listeners know that
that basically the big the thebiggest woo red flag, and when I
say red flag, I mean like Ilove woo.
But when I was like, oh, that'sthis must be woo, is like this
is all based off of when andwhere and what time you were
born.
And that's like, oh, okay,well, how much is this possibly
going to know?
But you know, if you were toignore that aspect of it and
(18:53):
just start reading, you'd belike, oh shit, this really lines
up a little, a little too well.
There's something spooky goingon here.
And, you know, it's uh, youknow, it's like a if you want to
this is like the ultimatepersonality test for um the the
woo community, if you will.
You know, you go into acorporate people are gonna give
(19:15):
you what's the one enneagrams,there's enneagrams, and there's
like Myers Briggs test and allthat, but this is like the one
true test.
This is the this is the the onering to rule them all.
And it's such a trip.
Lauren N (19:30):
Yes, absolutely.
So it's I mean, essentiallyhuman design, it's like giving
you your energetic blueprint anda roadmap to align with your
life.
And so learning your energetictype, that is kind of how you
are able to navigate yourselfonto your path and stay on it.
And then, I mean, and thenthere's other layers beyond
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that.
So um, the energetic type,there's five of them.
So there are manifestors,generators, manifesting
generators, projectors, andreflectors.
So manifestors are theinitiators, and their energy
really comes in like bursts, andthey can do a lot in a short
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period of time.
Um, and their energy can be alittle bit prickly.
So it's like they their aura isclosed, and so that can be
triggering for people likeparents of manifestors, because
they don't have this envelopingaura like generators, for
example.
And so there can be thisdistrust with them because they
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can't really, you know,penetrate them, understand them.
And so there's this shadow ofmanifestors where people want to
control them and tell them whatto do.
But manifestors are really hereto be in their own power.
They are here to do the thingsthat they're excited about,
they're to follow their creativeimpulses, um, and to realize
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that they don't have to keep upwith everybody.
They need to really honor theirrest cycles and trust that when
the next creative pulse comes,that one, it's gonna come, but
if they are well rested, they'regonna have the energy to
maintain that and to do that.
But they aren't, you know,necessarily the builders per se,
(21:19):
but they are kind of like uh Radescribes them as like a lion,
uh like a male lion.
They are the ones that are, youknow, they're kind of in charge
of the pack, but they're notthe ones that are like killing
the gazelles.
They are the ones that are kindof watching over, protecting
everybody.
So they're not, you know, inthe middle of it all like
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generators are.
Um, and so the thing withmanifestors is that whatever
they do, it creates an impactand a ripple around them.
And so whatever it is thatthey're here to do, it's going
to have an impact.
And then um, manifestors, it'sencouraged to keep people
informed because um, even ifit's like a small thing, it
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could have a ripple around onthe people around them that
could have a negative impact.
And so um having very goodcommunication and as a
manifester, say that you'regonna do something before you do
it to the people that it couldimpact.
And an example of this, one ofmy friends, she's a three-five
manifester.
And one day we were gettingready together, and I was about
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ready to like go over to thismirror and start using it.
And she was like, I'm gonnatake this mirror down and put it
on the floor and get readybecause I don't want to stand.
And I was like, Oh, okay, well,then I'll just go use this
other mirror.
But if she would have just donethat when I was planning on
using it, it's like I could haveI could see how that would
cause a little bit like, whatare you doing?
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Like this is weird.
But she was just narratingsomething before she was gonna
do it.
And she said that she does thatall the time.
Like she's at home with herfamily and she's like, all
right, like I'm gonna makedinner at this time.
And so if I was to give anyadvice for a manifester, it's
start like narrating your life,like before you do it.
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Um, whether it's with yourfamily, with your close friends,
like if you are gonna dosomething, I I know the creative
urge comes over them andthey're like, I have to do this
right now.
But if you could just stop andjust inform people before you do
it that it's gonna impact, it'sgonna create so much less
resistance in your life becauseit's that energetic of their
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impact in this closed aurathat's pushing against you that
can be a bit off putting forother people.
Uh, they make up about 9% ofthe world.
So they're not super common,they're not the rarest type, but
you don't encounter them asoften.
Lauren L (23:49):
Okay.
Um, Jennifer Lawrence is amanifester.
Sorry.
Jennifer Lawrence that makessense.
She's got ever she's sointeresting, and also there's
something like a little closedabout her, like you're saying,
where you're like, I like her,but also she seems to be like
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protecting herself and then likejust kind of saying whatever's
on her mind.
Lauren N (24:19):
I believe she's a fifth line too.
So there is that projectionfield as well.
And when you have the fifthline, there is this like sense
of I need to protect myselfbecause you're so used to people
like misperceiving you.
Lauren L (24:33):
Yeah.
Frank (24:34):
Okay.
That makes sense.
Lauren L (24:36):
Lyndon and I both have fives.
Our three-year-old.
And it's our three-year-old isa five-one.
And yeah, like everyone he'slike very charismatic, and
everyone kind of you can alreadysee it happening that people
project onto him because they'rejust like he's so like cool and
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special, and like I don't know,they want him to be a certain
thing, and sometimes he's justlike uh bye.
Or like, no, I'm not gonna dothat, or whatever.
Um, okay.
Yeah, so can we talk aboutgenerators?
Are is that the the highestpopulation?
Lauren N (25:19):
Yes.
So then there's generators andmanifesting generators, and they
make up about um 70% of theworld, but it is like divided
where I think there are slightlymore manifesting generators.
Um, and they had analytics forit.
And then I saw there's like ayear ago they came out, they're
like, actually, the numberschanged this slightly amount,
(25:41):
and I don't remember it off thetop of my head, but that's fine.
So generators and manifestinggenerators are builders, they
are here to learn themselves,master themselves, and build
something along the way, butthey build it in different ways.
So generators are here toreally do things step by step by
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step, whereas manifestinggenerators are here to skip to
one step, and then you go backand then you start mastering
them along the way.
And so, manifesting generators,their lives and their impact
that they create is going to bea lot less linear than a
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manifester.
And so, but both types, theyare here to master things and to
really know themselves.
It's just a different path thatthey're getting in order to go
there.
Um, but the advice that I giveto any generator or manifesting
generator, if you're juststarting out in human design,
it's do something that you areexcited about every single day.
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Um, it can be so easy to getbogged down with all the to-do
lists.
And the thing with generatorsis that you guys have so much
energy, and so people are usedto like expecting things from
you.
And you feel like, oh, I havethis energy, and so I need to
give it to this person or thisthing, even if it doesn't light
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you up.
But all that is doing is takingfrom your reserves, and
generators are so magnetic.
Um generators and manifestinggenerators are so magnetic.
This is like the generatorworld.
You we are here to build thingsand to master things, and so
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the world does cater to them,but there's so many generators
that they just become like theseservants for other people
instead of being able to usetheir energy and the ways that
light them up.
And when they aren't lit updoing what they're doing,
they're not able to access theirlife force energy.
They're just borrowing from it,but they're not like you know
(27:52):
putting it around them in likethis magical magnetic way that
you know draws things into them.
So they need to be doing um thethings that light them up.
And if they aren't, it cancause like depression, it can
cause sleep problems, it cancause anxiety because you have
you have all of this energy, butit's not being used in the way
that you want or need to beusing it.
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So anybody who's starting tocome into human design, if
they're a generator, I'm like,start using your way, your
energy in ways that feel good toyou.
What lights you up?
What makes you excited?
What gives you more energyinstead of it feels like you're
just getting sleepier andsleepier and it's just
exhausting you?
Um and I mean with a generator,like you have this like battery
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within you, and that's thesacral center is the battery.
If you're not using it in waysthat feel satisfying to you and
completely exhausting yourselfat the end of the night, then I
mean that's what's gonna causelike the sleep problems, the
racing mind.
Um, Ra, the founder of HumanDesign, said the most dangerous
like person is a generator who'snot using their energy and is
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instead putting their energyinto their mind because they can
just whip it around and justput all of this energy into it
in a way that can be really, youknow, dysregulating and can
really bog them down.
Like generators aren't here tothink, you're here to do, and
you're here to be very in tunewith your body and allowing your
body to guide you.
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It's like there is no mind inthe generator.
I mean, there is, in a sense,that we need to be able to think
and to function in the materialplane and in this world, but
your guide is your gut.
Um, or and also your gut andyour you guys are both
emotionally defined.
And so your feelings, how youfeel about things over time.
Frank (29:48):
This is not the first time I've been called mindless,
by the way.
Lauren L (29:51):
So I agree.
Uh this is this is this istelling me a lot just for for
our little family unit overhere.
We've got this almosteight-year-old daughter who at
night it's like time to go tobed.
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And the thoughts she's justobsessing about stuff.
She's a generator.
So she's just like anxiousabout stuff and asking
questions.
And I we're it's like kind ofconstant reassurance and that
kind of thing.
And then for us like yeahsometimes we're just so
exhausted at the end of thenight.
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One, because we've been likegiving our energy I'm sure to
our kids, which is normal.
But then also sometimes likefamily members need stuff or
friends are asking for, youknow, especially with this guy,
because he can do so manythings.
Asking for like we're puttingout our energy to other people
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sometimes.
Frank (30:55):
And then at the end of the night you end up with like
maybe an hour to do the thingthat okay I'm going to stop
speaking in generalities.
I end up with maybe an hour todo the thing that I'm kind of
excited about and it's notenough time and I'm too tired
for it.
Lauren N (31:09):
So I guess like a way that you can kind of um bypass
that is before you're doingsomething like for something
else or doing something that youdon't necessarily want to be
doing, try doing somethingyou're excited about first.
Because it's going to allow youto tap into that energy.
And so trying to prioritizeyour day where um the things
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that you want to do if you cando them first.
Frank (31:39):
That's so that's such a novel concept to me.
It is because I'm uhemotionally driven.
I I I tend to like try to goafter the things that give me
anxiety first.
I'm like all right let me Igotta get this out of the way I
gotta get this out of the waylet me go do this first you know
yeah because I've never but butthen I put all the things that
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I actually wanted to do last.
Lauren L (32:04):
Yeah.
Frank (32:04):
And I don't do them.
Lauren L (32:06):
Yeah.
Frank (32:06):
And that's why at the end of the day I'm like oh my God I
didn't do this.
I didn't so sad.
I'm just depressed.
Lauren L (32:11):
Yeah.
Frank (32:12):
What is life even?
Lauren N (32:13):
Yeah.
Frank (32:14):
Yeah that makes sense.
Lauren N (32:16):
Yeah.
Okay.
Well you're tribal too.
And so when you have tribalcircuitry um you are very
motivated for the tribe.
You're like I have to take careof the tribe.
I have to make sure thateverybody's needs are met.
And it can be easy to lose yourneeds in that.
But the thing with the tribe isthat it needs to be symbiotic.
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If you're not giving toyourself you can't be you know
giving from an empty cup.
So it's learning to have thatgive and take like just because
you can give and give and givedoesn't mean that you have to do
that all the time.
Frank (32:51):
That's so hard.
I've been told it's hard to beme.
And you know who you know whosaid it?
I did.
Lauren N (32:58):
Yeah.
Every day you also have thechannel of struggle and so
you're here to really struggleyour way through life.
Frank (33:08):
Yeah I saw that.
Lauren N (33:09):
And learn what's worth struggling for or not.
Lauren L (33:12):
He's got a new mantra lately that is what if it was
easy well I feel like thechannel of struggle is that it
gives you purpose.
Lauren N (33:24):
You realize what's worth struggling for and it's a
very like human channel to haveI mean you probably get that as
a third line too Lauren.
I feel like as as a third lineyou probably understand that
sometimes things just like don'tgo the way that you expected.
But the channel of struggleit's like you guys can be very
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empowering because you canfigure out how you're meant to
struggle so that you can figureout how to get through struggles
and you can then empower otherpeople through their struggles.
Frank (33:55):
Yes.
Right.
Lauren N (33:56):
But Raw does say if you're fixing something in the
house don't have a channel ofstruggle by you because it'll
just you'll you'll end upstruggling too oh my God.
Lauren L (34:08):
See why do I can't tell you how many things Frank
has accidentally broken becausehe's just like but I'm also the
one that's gonna fix it.
He's like fixing it but alsolike he's like well shit I just
broke this camera all the timeit's why I tend to lean towards
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things that don't break this ismy everyday mug for like 10
years now and it's it's metal.
Frank (34:35):
I can drop it all I want.
Lauren L (34:37):
Oh my god there you go anyway so evolving I love it
that's great.
So is are manifestinggenerators like kind of a combo
of manifestors and generators oris it like they're more like
generators so they are acombination where they still
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have an impact and it'srecommended to inform people
because of that.
Lauren N (35:05):
So what makes somebody a manifester is they have a
motor so an energy center that'sconnected to their throat and
so they have a very quick way ofspeaking and that motor to the
throat is what is causing thatimpact and that ability to
manifest.
And so being a manifestinggenerator means you have a motor
connected to your throat.
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So you have this ability to bereally quick with your words and
to make a lot of impact aroundyou but you also have a defined
sacral center which is thegenerator.
So with manifesting generatorsnot only are you experiencing
satisfaction which is thesignpost for generators but
you're also experiencing peacewhich is the signpost of
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manifestors.
And but it's still so anger andfrustration that's how
manifesting generators canreally figure out okay am I
causing extra resistance in mylife?
Am I making things harder formyself than I need to um and
it's not that you know anger orfrustration are meant to be
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avoided at all costs.
They're just there tocommunicate with you to say hey
maybe we just need to readjust alittle bit maybe this is
something that didn't feel goodand we can learn from that or we
can speak up for ourselves oryou know maybe we don't have to
do that again.
So it's just a way that ourinner is communicating with us
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when we are off course versuslike once we are on course.
Lauren L (36:36):
Okay.
That's that's great.
Lauren N (36:39):
Does that make sense?
Yeah and with any generator ormanifesting generator yes or no
questions to help you like getin touch with your sacral
because sometimes you don't knowif you have the energy to do
something in the moment unlesssomebody asks you.
So like your child you'resaying they if they're going to
bed and their mind's racingmaybe during the day ask them
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like is this how you want to useyour energy do you want to go
to the park or do you want to dothis?
Instead of having an open-endedquestion, giving them specifics
to respond to and allowing themand yourselves to use your
energy in a way that you're likeoh yeah I want to do this right
now.
Lauren L (37:21):
Okay.
That's great.
That makes sense.
Lauren N (37:23):
And you guys can do that with each other too like
ask each other yes or no insteadof what do you want for dinner
like do you want Thai fordinner?
Do you want pizza for dinner?
Like making it where the answeris a yes or no and you can feel
in your body like ooh thisfeels good or ooh no I do not
want to do that.
Frank (37:43):
This is great.
Maybe this is part of Lauren'shuman design but getting Lauren
to give a binary answer might beone of the most impossible
things on this planet.
She will when you ask her iflike I don't know how you got
through school with like um likeyou know is the answer A or B
kind of stuff.
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If it had if she had a chanceshe would write in a paragraph
instead like dude you just needto answer the question.
Lauren L (38:10):
If it had A through E, I would get so overwhelmed.
I was also gonna say I think mythe the motor to my throat is a
little broken because sometimesI have I have a hard time
getting a thought out like mybrain's moving faster and my my
words aren't as quick.
So I don't resonate with thatas much because I'm like that's
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other people it's not me butyeah making a decision um that
could be that can bechallenging.
However you don't ask me a lotof yes or no's oh no I do.
Frank (38:44):
So if I were to ask Lauren something like hey do you
like ketchup?
It's like well with what?
And I'm like no dude like doyou like it?
Lauren N (38:55):
And I will give I will give a dialogue all of Lauren's
answers start with well andit's like oh no I don't here we
go buckle up there's a lot ofnuance there are and well your
um your emotional wave so yourmotor to your throat is your
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solar plexus and it's thechannel of transitories and it's
unconscious.
And so I which both of you guysactually your motors are
unconscious to your throat.
So there could be this you knowspeaking without realizing what
you're saying.
But I mean also Lauren you wellyou both have split definition
but it's like your solar plexusand your throat are connected
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and when you have a solar plexuswhich is never knows in the now
the solar plexus never knows inthe now and so that is
connected to your throat that isthis like I don't know ask me
again later.
Yeah I'm not sure how I'mfeeling whereas um Frank your
sacral which is very in the nowright now is what's connected to
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your throat so you're likeright now this is me this is
what I am thinking this is whatI'm feeling so you are a bit
more even though you'reemotional like when you're
speaking it is from this likeempowered state of right now
whereas Lauren it's like thiskind of confusion.
Plus you have the fifth lineand there's this paranoia that's
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like ingrained in you guys tolike not say or do the wrong
thing because peoplemisinterpret you all the time.
So it's like you can tend to bewant to be like really careful
with your words and um not saysomething that's going to get
you in trouble later.
Lauren L (40:38):
Oh my God.
Lauren N (40:39):
Yeah yeah I'm very cautious when I speak and I
always say I write I I'm able toget my thoughts out and my
words perfectly chosen if I'mwriting something but when I'm
saying something it'll take me awhile because I'm like I gotta
choose this what like I don'twant to you know say the wrong
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thing that ends up gettinggetting misinterpreted because I
didn't mean it that way helpfulfor you to understand my
dearest darling um hold on I Idon't want to skip out on
projector and reflector yeahyeah okay so can you explain
what projectors are yeah soprojectors um they make up about
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20% of the population and sothey are while like the
generators and the manifestinggenerators you guys are like the
builders um of the world andthe um manifestors are you know
kind of like the lions that arewatching everything the
projector is like this hawkthat's flying and it's not
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really in the middle ofeverything but it's kind of
observing things and it's seeingfrom a different perspective
what other people aren't seeing.
So projectors and generatorshave a very symbiotic
relationship and projectorsdidn't start incarnating until
the 1700s when we went throughthis biological shift and we
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turned into from a manifestorworld into this generator world
and the generators because youguys are so focused on
yourselves and you're buildingthings it's hard to see kind of
the bigger picture.
And so projectors came in tostart to show them a different
perspective and to guide thesacral energy into building
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things and using energy moreefficiently so projectors um any
advice that I give someonestarting out it's um stop giving
unsolicitated advice that'svery common we love to do that
but wait until people recognizeyou and then because projectors
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can really see the other personthey're the we're the only type
that's really meant to absorbsomebody and focus on them and
help guide them people canreally like our energy and they
can want to hold on to us andthey can want to not share our
focus and our attention withother people.
And so having really goodboundaries with others and
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recognizing um if you are givingyour if you are overgiving to
somebody and only getting youknow breadcrumbs of recognition
recognition or breadcrumbs ofenergy because projectors this
isn't necessarily a projectorworld which as we move into 2027
projectors are then going tothe top of the hierarchy as we
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build this new world or societyum it's so easy for us to feel
like we don't belong.
And so we get so kind ofaddicted to the sacral energy of
the generators around us andkind of just accepting whatever
we're given instead of beingempowered and saying like you
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know no enough is enough likethis is how you will treat me
and this is um how much energy Ican give you and really taking
ownership of their own energy.
And projectors are verysensitive to their environments
and other people so you knowtaking a lot of showers or baths
going for walks grounding um wecan absorb so much around us it
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can be very dysregulating attimes.
And for projectors um oursignature is bitterness versus
success and that is how we canpinpoint okay are we off track
or are we not on track?
And that bitterness it justcuts you uh nobody wants to be
around a bitter projectorbecause they will penetrate into
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you and put that bitternessinto you and it feels so icky.
But then the signpost is whenyou start recognizing and seeing
yourself and realizing yourworth that's when other people
can start to see and recognizethat too and that's how you get
empowered.
That's how um as Ra puts it anempowered projector their energy
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is never the problem.
A projector that is you knowcompletely operating in a way
that is not correct for them,their energy is always going to
be a problem.
They're always going to beburned out you're never going to
have enough but if yourecognize yourself and you only
allow the people who really seeyou and respect you and give to
you into your orbit um yourenergy is not a problem anymore.
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And you just slide through lifethat is kind of the projector
blessing is when you are correctthings just kind of glide and
it gets so much easier.
Frank (45:46):
That's so interesting because I feel like I know a
couple of projector types who italways I've noticed if they
outsource their um recognitionlike they they need affirmation
from somebody else it it is alsonever enough.
Lauren N (46:03):
So you're saying and that can cause bitterness you're
saying that they need toacknowledge their own uh value
basically absolutely nobodypeople can't recognize and see
the value of a projector unlessthey first see that in
themselves.
Frank (46:21):
Yeah yeah yeah that's cool yeah that's so I could
imagine that being huge I meanfor that's great advice for
anybody but for someone withthat disposition that's a big
deal.
Lauren L (46:33):
Yeah that's right yeah that's great.
Lauren N (46:36):
Well and as and as projectors if they are absorbing
people that aren't the correctpeople for them that can
completely take them off coursetoo.
And if you're off course it'slike everything goes wrong for
the projector like life willjust pile on to you because the
world needs projectors and it'sgoing to make you so
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uncomfortable to try to get youto change but I mean there are
so many bitter projectors thatjust want to have their head in
the sand and be like no like Iwant to be a generator I want to
be like everybody else um Iwill just take whatever I'm
given but when you realize thatyou don't have to just you know
take and accept whatever you'regiven and you can make those
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terms yourself there is thisempowerment and also when a
projector is empowered they areso magnetic just like a
generator who's doing stuff thatlights them up they just pull
things to them so quickly thepeople that they are meant to
guide it's like they are thislighthouse and in the darkness
and like moths to a flame peopleare just like you are the
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person that I need to help meyou know figure this thing out.
Frank (47:47):
That's awesome.
Lauren N (47:48):
That makes sense for projectors we know that makes so
much sense.
Frank (47:51):
That's such that's such good advice.
Yeah because I I really feellike the projectors from what
I've experienced so farobviously we talked about like
the kind of turmoil I can gothrough being a manifesting
generator and all that but Ifeel like like you said like a
projector who's not not in theirin their comfort zone in their
space can like it's so it seemslike it's so debilitating to
them.
Like it's hard to even likewake up in the morning kind of
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thing.
Lauren N (48:14):
Yeah absolutely I mean because we really our energy is
dependent on getting energyfrom the people around us and we
can have defined motors but ifwe're going to be consistent
with life if we're going to beable to build a life we need to
have generators around us whosee us and recognize us and we
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have that symbiotic relationshipwhere they give us energy and
we give them guidance that'scool.
Frank (48:41):
Okay that's perfect.
Lauren N (48:42):
Yeah quick question you mentioned something about a
biological shift in the 70s huhyeah the 1700s 1700s I got the
seven right so um ra describesit as we were seven centers
which you know there are theseven chakra system and the
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seven centers was focused onlike mind survival but we went
through this biologicalevolution where two of the
chakras split into two and wewent from being focused on
survival to focused on communityand you know companionship and
um not just killing each other.
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He calls them like killermonkeys um where we started to
become humans.
And so the heart split into twoso the heart and the g center
and then the spleen and thesolar plexus split into two.
I mean it is just chakras rightyeah it is the chakras only you
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know two of them split and soum the G center that's like
direction identity and then theheart center is ego and
willpower so those used to beconnected as one and then they
split and then the spleen isabout survival whereas the solar
plexus is about feeling and sowe began to feel emotions beyond
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just survival.
And so it was with the creationof us becoming you know seven
centered to nine centered thatthen projectors began
incarnating because they weremeant to be the guides of the uh
nine centered beings.
Frank (50:24):
I want to jump into deeper questions in a second but
I want to go over reflectorsfirst.
I don't want any reflectors tofeel left out.
Lauren N (50:31):
Yeah about to ask yeah yes they so often feel left out
because they are less than 2%of the world and so you don't
come across them very often umbut they are the only type that
is ruled by the moon.
So while um generators andmanifesting generators their
aura is open and enveloping itfeels like this hug um and then
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manifestors there's just closedand then projector is it points
and it absorbs people and kindof takes them on as themselves.
Reflectors their aura is closedlike a manifestor but it
samples people and things.
But they are here to really bein the middle of the room in the
middle of it all and theyabsorb all of the energy around
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them and so that they cancollectively be like okay this
is off so like if you have a acompany or a family and there's
a reflector if the reflector islike freaking out there's gonna
be energy that's like off foryou know whatever reason.
Frank (51:35):
So they're like this barometer of energy are they the
canary in the coal mine for ofhumans?
Lauren N (51:43):
Yeah that's a great analogy for sure.
Frank (51:46):
Yeah oh my gosh that's your brother I oh is the one
reflector we know I gotta Igotta pull my brother in a cage
and bring him around everywhereI go and like dude are we safe
here but like he's all aboutvibes.
He is all about vibes like andhe's a man of few words too
he'll be like nah I'm notfeeling it.
Lauren L (52:03):
I'm like listen to what he said and he doesn't like
too much like confrontation orconflict he will like walk out
if if if the generators are areare arguing or getting heated or
whatever he's like I'm notinvolved back once there's jokes
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to be made like a projectorthey you know absorb one person
which at a time which can beoverwhelming the reflector
absorbs everything around themso it's almost like they have
this um this aura that's kind oflike the generator and the
manifester where it's like youknow open and encompassing and
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they're just absorbingeverything.
Lauren N (52:49):
And being in the right environment is everything for a
reflector like if they are notin the correct environments for
them everything goes wrong andthey can become so disappointed
and they can experience all ofthe other signposts.
So anger frustration bitternessum and they can become so rigid
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in their thinking um and solike ingrained in like society
and like this is how things needto be because they really just
morph into the environments thatthey are and so like they can
be some of like the mostcutthroat people or they can be
some of like the most expansiveand happy and light people.
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It just really depends likewho's around them and what
environments are they in.
And then I mean with reflectorsI mean being ruled by the moon
their authority is lunar.
So whenever they it comes tomaking a decision it's like they
have to wait pretty much a fulllike 28 days to make a decision
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and to really feel it out andknow if it's correct for them.
And so for any reflector who'sgetting into human design start
my advice is start tracking themoon and seeing how it affects
you because the thing withreflectors is as the moon
shifts, they become a manifesterand a generator and a
manifesting generator and aprojector throughout the course
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of the month.
And it's only by experimentingand sampling all of that energy
throughout the entire wheel thatthey can be like this this is
my clarity or this is not myclarity.
And so they're really here tokind of slowly move through life
and to try and I mean create alife that's gonna allow them to
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slow down or else then they'regonna get upset and be very
stickler about things.
Frank (54:51):
That's so interesting.
Yeah what so I'm obviously nota reflector so I'm not gonna
like fully resonate with thatbut I would imagine that there
would be a pain point here oflike um of like self-identity
like that sounds difficult likeif you are capable of inheriting
all these uh vibes and and uhmindsets around you like and you
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come home and you're byyourself for a minute who who
who who am I you know like or oris it like the reflection after
a full 28 days and that isthere like a moment of clarity
where you're like ah I see likelet me reflect on on these these
past weeks.
Lauren N (55:30):
So um it's interesting you said that because I just a
few days ago I had a reflectorcomment in one of my videos on
TikTok and she was saying youknow I wish that I could be the
same and I wish that I had thislike set identity.
But the thing with reflectorsis that is their superpower is
that they're not here to be thesame.
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And really anybody who has anopen G center so that's the um
diamond shape in the middle ofthe chart they are here to be a
chameleon and they are here tochange and to not really be
consistent in their identity.
And so there is this one end ofthe spectrum where you could be
like wow I wish that I wasdifferent but the thing with
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human design is it's like nothis is who you are and this is
who you're supposed to be.
And so you don't need to bedifferent.
And when you are different thatis what is like or when you're
not allowing yourself to beyourself that is what's going to
cause resistance into yourlife.
And it's really by being youthat you learn to really start
to love you and to trustyourself and to appreciate what
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you are.
Reflectors are so rare and thatis you know a big role for them
to take to be the barometer ofthe room.
And so but it's I think if thereflector is really honoring
their energy not burningthemselves out allowing
themselves to be in environmentsthat feel good to them they'll
see that this is actually asuperpower nobody can do what a
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reflector does but them.
And they have so much value tobring I mean they can feel and
see things way before anybodyelse can it's so funny.
Frank (57:10):
Like my my relationship with my brother specifically is
uh yeah I'm again I'm amanifesting generator and as we
discussed earlier I cause my ownproblems and I fix them.
And I'm going around being alittle chaotic and like fixing
it and I'm like oh but I havethis idea and I want to start
this but I I gotta follow myheart and it's over here.
And then my brother comesaround and he's like hey and I'm
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like yeah I I want some of thatand he's my young he's my
younger brother too so it's likeI've already told him like I
look up to my younger brotherbecause I'm like I want some of
that calm assessment and it'ssuch a cool thing to have and
and if you're comfortable withthat that calm assessment and
that being different things andbeing exactly what you need at
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that time in that space like umyeah I could see that being an
incredible superpower.
Lauren N (57:58):
Yeah they're invaluable for sure and they're
all like old souls everyreflector I've encountered I'm
like you've seen some lives likeyou're not like other people
that's so interesting.
Lauren L (58:11):
That that's that sounds true.
Frank (58:13):
So can we can we now I mean I'll let you decide what's
what's best Lauren other Laurennot wife Lauren someone else's
wife Lauren we can do profile.
Lauren N (58:27):
So while your energy type is meant to like get you
onto the path and allow you tosee like when you're veering off
of it or not your profile islike your archetype.
That's the role that you'rehere to play in life.
And then your incarnation crossthe your purpose that just
plays out whether you want it toor not thank you for listening.
Frank (58:50):
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Hey there, all you beautiful creatures of the
moonlight.
In today's episode, which ispart of a human design series,
we talked with Lauren Noble, ahuman design expert and
practitioner.
We are finally discussing humandesign, and Lauren knows all
the ins and outs of it.
I'm Lauren Leon.
And I'm starting with the manin the mirror! Oh yeah! We are a
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married couple learning how todevelop our own intuition, and
this is episode 92 of ClaireVoyaging.
Wayfeather Media presents ClareVoyaging.
Frank (00:55):
Feeling good?
Feeling great.
Lauren L (00:58):
Happy day.
Frank (00:58):
It almost sounded like we had a plan for we practiced
this thing.
Lauren L (01:03):
We never do.
Happy, happy day.
Frank (01:05):
They know.
Lauren L (01:06):
They know it.
You guys know it.
This is episode 92.
By now, you know.
We're winging it all the time.
Frank (01:14):
You know that we don't know.
Lauren L (01:16):
You know, we have plans, and then we also don't
have plans.
So that is that's accuratething you've ever seen.
Lauren in a nutshell.
Frank (01:29):
I'm in there too, pal.
Dude.
We've been threatening this fora long time.
Lauren L (01:38):
It's been it's been coming coming for a while.
Frank (01:41):
And now here it is.
Lauren L (01:43):
Yeah.
Frank (01:44):
After much delay and much teasing, and you probably have
maybe already looked into it,but here we go, in in an
official capacity.
Here's the Clara Voyagingthree-part series of What the
Hell is Human Design?
Lauren L (01:57):
Yeah.
Frank (01:58):
And I'm pretty excited about it.
And you probably already know alittle bit about us, but get
ready to know a little bit aboutus in the in the human design
context.
Lauren L (02:07):
Always learning, you know?
Always learning.
Frank (02:09):
You know what?
Are you ready to find youprobably already know I'm kind
of weird and messed up.
Just wait till you see thatit's part of my design.
Lauren L (02:17):
So anyway, this episode is going to break down
the basics of human design typesin this episode.
And then next week we're goingto have all of the profiles.
And Lauren really does a greatjob of explaining everything.
Frank (02:33):
Yeah, so it's going to be Lauren for part one, part two,
and then we have someone namedLori coming for part three.
And Laurie is going to get intomore of the details of the
channels and how that alloperates.
If you didn't hear our warninglast week, if you could do us a
favor and go download an app, weuse an app called HumdesCom.
Just throw it in the app store.
I know it doesn't seem like itmakes sense.
You're going to need yourbirthday, you're going to need
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your time of birth, you're goingto need to know where you were
born.
Hopefully most of us know thatlast one.
But you might need to ask mommyfor the time of birth, or if
you have an app you prefer.
But the one I said is free.
It's really good.
Lauren L (03:08):
It's very in-depth.
Frank (03:11):
Yeah.
Lauren L (03:11):
It's complicated.
Frank (03:12):
So and with that, let's take it away.
Part one of three human design.
Letter rip.
Lauren L (03:22):
Lauren, thank you so much for joining us on Claire
Voyaging.
We're so excited because we'venever had a human design expert
on our podcast.
And we've been threatening it.
We've been warning ourlisteners, and we told them last
week, to prepare themselves andunderstand a little bit of
their own human design type andprofile, just so we could like
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jump right in and you can kindof give us a little bit of
explainer.
But first, can you give us alittle bit of backstory about
you and how what kind of led youinto this doing this work?
Lauren N (04:00):
Yeah.
And uh I just want to say I'mvery happy to be here.
I bumped into your guys'podcast just I think three days
ago.
And um anyway, so it felt verymeant to be, and I'm very happy
to be here.
Frank (04:13):
Oh man, cool.
Lauren N (04:14):
Um so uh a bit about me.
Um I found human design in2019.
It was right uh after mymarriage ended, and I found
myself as a single mom of two,and um had no idea where to go
or who I was, and I kind ofthrew myself into astrology and
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manifestation, and it was on amanifestation podcast that they
had a human design person on,and she was talking about how um
the person was a projector, andshe was making it seem so like
empowering and special.
And I was like, wow, this isthis is so cool.
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And I looked at my chart and Iwas like, oh my gosh, I'm a
projector too.
And from that point, I justlike locked on to the system in
a way that um I haven't reallylocked on to anything before.
Like I wasn't, you know, biginto school growing up.
I had a hard time rememberingthings and recalling
information.
But with human design, it'slike everything that I learned,
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I just absorbed it.
And I it's like I um uh I endedup having like a photographic
memory with it, where likeeverything that I learned, I
could recall it and see exactlywhere I learned it.
And then when I looked atpeople's charts, I could
memorize their charts.
And so I just startedresearching it like crazy, like
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listening to podcasts, readingblogs.
Um, I bought some of thelectures from the founder.
And after a couple of years ofjust absorbing that um and
having friends and familymembers talk to me about it, and
I started to just see throughthe lens of human design, like,
oh, well, this is energeticallywhat's happening with you or
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with your kids.
And I could recall their chartsin my mind, and I started to
see that I was able to get theminto a place of more ease and
acceptance of themselves and ofthe other person.
And at that point, I started tofeel like, okay, I need to
invest in this and myself andlearning this.
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And um, I was also doingrelationship coaching on the
side, and everyone that came tome, I started to look up their
human design and I would justtell them stuff, and it was
creating more impact thananything else I had done.
Oh, wow.
Yeah.
So um, so I invested in somecourses.
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Um, I took three differentones, and all of them, it felt a
bit disappointing because Iknew everything already.
Um, I had already researchedthe heck out of um the system
itself.
And uh I ended up, I createdsome friends in the human design
community, and I was expressingsome frustration.
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Like, I just want to learn thesystem deeper.
I keep investing in it, and Ijust feel like this traditional
path isn't quite right for me.
Um, and I was also noticing, Ifelt like a lot of people that
did go the traditional path,it's like they were saying
things like directly quoting thefounder, but like that was kind
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of their limited view.
It wasn't this embodied, um,diverse way that I was seeing
the system in the world.
Because as I was mentoringpeople and coaching them and
memorizing their charts andobserving them, I started to
realize that there were so manymore nuances than um originally
what I thought that there were.
Frank (07:53):
Yeah.
Lauren N (07:54):
And so um I had a friend, she was like, Okay, this
is like super top secret, butthere is this file.
And she sent it to me and ithad all of the founders'
lectures on it, like everything,all of his classes he had ever
done, like so much, just in thishuge folder that logged down my
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phone and my computer.
Um, and I just starteddevouring it.
I started going througheverything and really like
strengthening my foundation inthe system and getting to a
place of what felt likeembodying it and understanding
it in a way where it's like Ithe more I learned it, the more
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I saw the world through thatlens and everything just started
firing and connecting.
And um, I went through thatentire folder twice.
It took me two years, um 2022to 2024.
And um, and then I I stopped uhdoing human design, which I
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really only did um readings forreferral.
So like friends or family wouldrefer people to me.
I taught a couple classes andum I wasn't marketing it because
I just I'm so I'm a one-three,and one threes never feel ready.
We never feel like we knowenough.
And I'm curious, Frank, if youfeel that way because you're
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also a first line.
There's just this like oh myGod.
You're like, I know I don'tknow enough, I don't want to go
into the void.
Um, there's like this impostersyndrome.
Um, but I so in 2024, well, Imet like the love of my life in
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uh 2023, 2023, and then I becamepregnant with my third child in
2024, and I just kind of put apause on human design.
I stopped researching it, but Istill kept seeing the world
through that lens and you know,coaching the people that would
come to me.
And um, and then I had my baby,and my husband retired me from
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my nine to five, and I just feltthis fire of like, I have to do
this again, and I know I'mready.
I've been studying this systemfor six years, and so I like
launched my website, I umstarted sharing about it again,
I started doing readings again,and um, it's like the space that
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I took from it, which I'm athird line like you, Lauren.
And so sometimes we just needto like pause a bond and then
come back to it, and it's likeso refreshing and so empowering
to like get back into this bond,and that's how it felt.
It just feels like this is likemy karma.
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This is the system that I wasmeant to learn and master and
how I'm meant to fulfill mypurpose.
Frank (10:51):
That's so cool.
Lauren L (10:53):
I love that.
What a nice story, also.
Yeah, yeah.
Frank (10:55):
You're a great storyteller, also.
That was very succinct and likethat made sense.
Lauren L (10:58):
Yeah, yeah.
It was very linear.
And if you I mean, congrats,like that that baby is very new.
Yeah.
Lauren N (11:12):
Yes, she's uh seven months today, actually.
And she's my little manifestochild.
So manifestors are theinitiators, and she initiated me
into like a whole differentlife and initiated our family
coming together.
And oh my god.
Um, and it all just happened insuch a beautiful, wonderful
way.
Oh, that's so cool.
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I love that so much.
Frank (11:35):
Just so the audience is aware, let's go over real
quickly.
Um I know this is hard becauseit's a complicated story, but
who is the person that createdthe system?
Lauren N (11:52):
So his his spiritual name was Ra Uru Who.
Um and essentially he had thisexperience.
So he was a 5-1 Scelenicmanifester, and it's a pretty
like woo-woo story.
So stay with me.
Um, but essentially, hedescribes this encounter.
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He was living in a visa, um,and he was hiding away from the
world.
And, you know, fifth lines,which you're a fifth line too,
um, Lauren, like people tend toburn you at the stake.
It's like they put you on apedestal and like they love you
or they hate you, or they loveyou and then they hate you.
And a lot of a lot of fifthlines I encounter, they get so
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burned out and paranoid and justtired of the projection field,
and they just want to go away.
So Ra, he was in Abiza living avery simple life, and he had
this experience where he camehome with his dog, and all of a
sudden his dog just kind of likefell over.
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And he said that all of thewater like left his body, and it
was this like very painfulexperience.
And this voice said, It's timeto get to work.
And for seven days, he was likein this trance where the human
design system was like beingimplanted into his body, and
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it's through all these differentmodalities so astrology, the
Ichin, the Kabbalah, the chakrasystem, and also quantum
physics, and it encompasses allof these different modalities
together to give you like thisenergetic blueprint.
And he, when he got the systemdownloaded, um, he said at first
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he just felt like crazy.
He's like, Who's gonna believethis?
Yeah, but he started to doreadings for people and charting
them, and people started torealize like this is really
accurate, this is reallyhelpful, and it kind of just
started taking off from there.
Lauren L (13:58):
Was his dog okay?
I am very concerned about thedog.
Okay.
Lauren N (14:03):
Oh my gosh, I'm so sorry I didn't say that.
Yeah, the dog was okay.
It like went under this trancetoo, and so it was like asleep
all the time.
And he said, as soon as theexperience ended, all of the
water went back into his bodyand his dog immediately just
perked back up again.
And it was like it was over.
It's like time like pausedwhile it was being downloaded
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into his system.
Frank (14:26):
Hold on.
The idea of did he like springa leak?
What are we looking at here?
This is that's a confusing way.
That's a confusing thing.
Lauren N (14:34):
I know, I know.
It is um, it's like this, butif you're going to learn human
design, you gotta know thefoundation of it and how it came
to be.
Frank (14:43):
Yeah.
Lauren N (14:43):
And um, I mean, as somebody who didn't experience
it, I have listened to severallectures of him talking about
the experience.
It is pretty like, you know,esoteric and pretty like out
there.
Um, and so regardless of Ifeel, you know, if there are
certain things that maybe heleft out or something, I don't
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know.
Yeah.
But the system I feel speaksfor itself beyond how it came to
be.
Lauren L (15:12):
Yeah.
It it's really funny to knowhow it started.
And to explain that to someonelike my very science-minded
brother.
I would never really tell himwhere it came from because he'd
be like, Well, okay, I don'tbelieve any of this now.
But yeah, we're we're in theworld of like, you know,
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intuition and spirits and youknow, all that.
So we we we talk aboutdownloads and all that.
Yeah, but it is funny to likewhen you do your logical brain
goes like, okay.
Lauren N (15:50):
As him being a five-one, there is so much
projection that goes on to fifthlines too.
And you see in the human designcommunity, people either really
put him on a pedestal or theyhate him.
Like people have really pushedagainst him because like he had
a background in marketing, andhe had um a lot of people that
he originally trained to doreadings and who helped him
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build the business, they endedup like going separate ways.
And so there is somecontroversy around him in the
community.
Um, but I mean, having listenedto his lectures, because
essentially he's the person thatI learned my foundation from,
was going through his lecturesand his courses, and there is
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this very grounding presencelike in his voice.
And it's like the way that hetalks and the way that like my
body reacted to it, it felt veryempowering and not like this is
you know, danger or this is bador wrong, but like this guy
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really knows what he's talkingabout, and what he's doing is
he's empowering people to bethemselves and to love
themselves and to essentiallyget the life that they came here
to live.
And something that I love umthat he taught is that we're not
here to be miserable.
Like suffering is inevitable,but it's by not being ourself
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and self-abandoning and makingchoices that you know we know
we're not supposed to make, thatis what causes so much
resistance in our life.
That is what's harming ourspirit.
But when we are ourselves, whenwe're moving through the world
as ourselves, then theresistance that we encounter,
it's what's meant for us.
It's what we are here to learnand grow from.
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And we're not here to just bethis like bogged down, beaten
down species, but to beempowered and to live our
purpose that we came here tolive.
Frank (17:46):
That's so true.
At the very least, I mean, youcan say whatever you want about
that, about the origin of humandesign, but also after however
many episodes of the podcast, wehave come to that conclusion
too.
Yeah.
And the real lesson is in thechallenges you face, and that
should be that can be anexciting thing depending on your
mindset when you approach it.
It's it's once again, we say itwe've said it a few times about
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choosing your heart.
Do you want to kick and screamthe whole way?
Or do you want to be like,cool, a new way to like test my
theory of how to be myself?
Lauren L (18:16):
Yeah.
When you're not living intoyour actual human design, that
has been really helpful for meto understand.
Frank (18:25):
Right.
So at this point, I'm hopingeveryone, all the listeners,
because this is a deep, deep,deep will.
Lauren L (18:30):
Yeah.
Frank (18:30):
At this point, I'm hoping all the listeners know that
that basically the big the thebiggest woo red flag, and when I
say red flag, I mean like Ilove woo.
But when I was like, oh, that'sthis must be woo, is like this
is all based off of when andwhere and what time you were
born.
And that's like, oh, okay,well, how much is this possibly
going to know?
But you know, if you were toignore that aspect of it and
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just start reading, you'd belike, oh shit, this really lines
up a little, a little too well.
There's something spooky goingon here.
And, you know, it's uh, youknow, it's like a if you want to
this is like the ultimatepersonality test for um the the
woo community, if you will.
You know, you go into acorporate people are gonna give
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you what's the one enneagrams,there's enneagrams, and there's
like Myers Briggs test and allthat, but this is like the one
true test.
This is the this is the the onering to rule them all.
And it's such a trip.
Lauren N (19:30):
Yes, absolutely.
So it's I mean, essentiallyhuman design, it's like giving
you your energetic blueprint anda roadmap to align with your
life.
And so learning your energetictype, that is kind of how you
are able to navigate yourselfonto your path and stay on it.
And then, I mean, and thenthere's other layers beyond
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that.
So um, the energetic type,there's five of them.
So there are manifestors,generators, manifesting
generators, projectors, andreflectors.
So manifestors are theinitiators, and their energy
really comes in like bursts, andthey can do a lot in a short
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period of time.
Um, and their energy can be alittle bit prickly.
So it's like they their aura isclosed, and so that can be
triggering for people likeparents of manifestors, because
they don't have this envelopingaura like generators, for
example.
And so there can be thisdistrust with them because they
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can't really, you know,penetrate them, understand them.
And so there's this shadow ofmanifestors where people want to
control them and tell them whatto do.
But manifestors are really hereto be in their own power.
They are here to do the thingsthat they're excited about,
they're to follow their creativeimpulses, um, and to realize
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that they don't have to keep upwith everybody.
They need to really honor theirrest cycles and trust that when
the next creative pulse comes,that one, it's gonna come, but
if they are well rested, they'regonna have the energy to
maintain that and to do that.
But they aren't, you know,necessarily the builders per se,
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but they are kind of like uh Radescribes them as like a lion,
uh like a male lion.
They are the ones that are, youknow, they're kind of in charge
of the pack, but they're notthe ones that are like killing
the gazelles.
They are the ones that are kindof watching over, protecting
everybody.
So they're not, you know, inthe middle of it all like
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generators are.
Um, and so the thing withmanifestors is that whatever
they do, it creates an impactand a ripple around them.
And so whatever it is thatthey're here to do, it's going
to have an impact.
And then um, manifestors, it'sencouraged to keep people
informed because um, even ifit's like a small thing, it
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could have a ripple around onthe people around them that
could have a negative impact.
And so um having very goodcommunication and as a
manifester, say that you'regonna do something before you do
it to the people that it couldimpact.
And an example of this, one ofmy friends, she's a three-five
manifester.
And one day we were gettingready together, and I was about
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ready to like go over to thismirror and start using it.
And she was like, I'm gonnatake this mirror down and put it
on the floor and get readybecause I don't want to stand.
And I was like, Oh, okay, well,then I'll just go use this
other mirror.
But if she would have just donethat when I was planning on
using it, it's like I could haveI could see how that would
cause a little bit like, whatare you doing?
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Like this is weird.
But she was just narratingsomething before she was gonna
do it.
And she said that she does thatall the time.
Like she's at home with herfamily and she's like, all
right, like I'm gonna makedinner at this time.
And so if I was to give anyadvice for a manifester, it's
start like narrating your life,like before you do it.
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Um, whether it's with yourfamily, with your close friends,
like if you are gonna dosomething, I I know the creative
urge comes over them andthey're like, I have to do this
right now.
But if you could just stop andjust inform people before you do
it that it's gonna impact, it'sgonna create so much less
resistance in your life becauseit's that energetic of their
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impact in this closed aurathat's pushing against you that
can be a bit off putting forother people.
Uh, they make up about 9% ofthe world.
So they're not super common,they're not the rarest type, but
you don't encounter them asoften.
Lauren L (23:49):
Okay.
Um, Jennifer Lawrence is amanifester.
Sorry.
Jennifer Lawrence that makessense.
She's got ever she's sointeresting, and also there's
something like a little closedabout her, like you're saying,
where you're like, I like her,but also she seems to be like
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protecting herself and then likejust kind of saying whatever's
on her mind.
Lauren N (24:19):
I believe she's a fifth line too.
So there is that projectionfield as well.
And when you have the fifthline, there is this like sense
of I need to protect myselfbecause you're so used to people
like misperceiving you.
Lauren L (24:33):
Yeah.
Frank (24:34):
Okay.
That makes sense.
Lauren L (24:36):
Lyndon and I both have fives.
Our three-year-old.
And it's our three-year-old isa five-one.
And yeah, like everyone he'slike very charismatic, and
everyone kind of you can alreadysee it happening that people
project onto him because they'rejust like he's so like cool and
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special, and like I don't know,they want him to be a certain
thing, and sometimes he's justlike uh bye.
Or like, no, I'm not gonna dothat, or whatever.
Um, okay.
Yeah, so can we talk aboutgenerators?
Are is that the the highestpopulation?
Lauren N (25:19):
Yes.
So then there's generators andmanifesting generators, and they
make up about um 70% of theworld, but it is like divided
where I think there are slightlymore manifesting generators.
Um, and they had analytics forit.
And then I saw there's like ayear ago they came out, they're
like, actually, the numberschanged this slightly amount,
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and I don't remember it off thetop of my head, but that's fine.
So generators and manifestinggenerators are builders, they
are here to learn themselves,master themselves, and build
something along the way, butthey build it in different ways.
So generators are here toreally do things step by step by
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step, whereas manifestinggenerators are here to skip to
one step, and then you go backand then you start mastering
them along the way.
And so, manifesting generators,their lives and their impact
that they create is going to bea lot less linear than a
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manifester.
And so, but both types, theyare here to master things and to
really know themselves.
It's just a different path thatthey're getting in order to go
there.
Um, but the advice that I giveto any generator or manifesting
generator, if you're juststarting out in human design,
it's do something that you areexcited about every single day.
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Um, it can be so easy to getbogged down with all the to-do
lists.
And the thing with generatorsis that you guys have so much
energy, and so people are usedto like expecting things from
you.
And you feel like, oh, I havethis energy, and so I need to
give it to this person or thisthing, even if it doesn't light
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you up.
But all that is doing is takingfrom your reserves, and
generators are so magnetic.
Um generators and manifestinggenerators are so magnetic.
This is like the generatorworld.
You we are here to build thingsand to master things, and so
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the world does cater to them,but there's so many generators
that they just become like theseservants for other people
instead of being able to usetheir energy and the ways that
light them up.
And when they aren't lit updoing what they're doing,
they're not able to access theirlife force energy.
They're just borrowing from it,but they're not like you know
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putting it around them in likethis magical magnetic way that
you know draws things into them.
So they need to be doing um thethings that light them up.
And if they aren't, it cancause like depression, it can
cause sleep problems, it cancause anxiety because you have
you have all of this energy, butit's not being used in the way
that you want or need to beusing it.
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So anybody who's starting tocome into human design, if
they're a generator, I'm like,start using your way, your
energy in ways that feel good toyou.
What lights you up?
What makes you excited?
What gives you more energyinstead of it feels like you're
just getting sleepier andsleepier and it's just
exhausting you?
Um and I mean with a generator,like you have this like battery
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within you, and that's thesacral center is the battery.
If you're not using it in waysthat feel satisfying to you and
completely exhausting yourselfat the end of the night, then I
mean that's what's gonna causelike the sleep problems, the
racing mind.
Um, Ra, the founder of HumanDesign, said the most dangerous
like person is a generator who'snot using their energy and is
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instead putting their energyinto their mind because they can
just whip it around and justput all of this energy into it
in a way that can be really, youknow, dysregulating and can
really bog them down.
Like generators aren't here tothink, you're here to do, and
you're here to be very in tunewith your body and allowing your
body to guide you.
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It's like there is no mind inthe generator.
I mean, there is, in a sense,that we need to be able to think
and to function in the materialplane and in this world, but
your guide is your gut.
Um, or and also your gut andyour you guys are both
emotionally defined.
And so your feelings, how youfeel about things over time.
Frank (29:48):
This is not the first time I've been called mindless,
by the way.
Lauren L (29:51):
So I agree.
Uh this is this is this istelling me a lot just for for
our little family unit overhere.
We've got this almosteight-year-old daughter who at
night it's like time to go tobed.
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And the thoughts she's justobsessing about stuff.
She's a generator.
So she's just like anxiousabout stuff and asking
questions.
And I we're it's like kind ofconstant reassurance and that
kind of thing.
And then for us like yeahsometimes we're just so
exhausted at the end of thenight.
(30:31):
One, because we've been likegiving our energy I'm sure to
our kids, which is normal.
But then also sometimes likefamily members need stuff or
friends are asking for, youknow, especially with this guy,
because he can do so manythings.
Asking for like we're puttingout our energy to other people
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sometimes.
Frank (30:55):
And then at the end of the night you end up with like
maybe an hour to do the thingthat okay I'm going to stop
speaking in generalities.
I end up with maybe an hour todo the thing that I'm kind of
excited about and it's notenough time and I'm too tired
for it.
Lauren N (31:09):
So I guess like a way that you can kind of um bypass
that is before you're doingsomething like for something
else or doing something that youdon't necessarily want to be
doing, try doing somethingyou're excited about first.
Because it's going to allow youto tap into that energy.
And so trying to prioritizeyour day where um the things
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that you want to do if you cando them first.
Frank (31:39):
That's so that's such a novel concept to me.
It is because I'm uhemotionally driven.
I I I tend to like try to goafter the things that give me
anxiety first.
I'm like all right let me Igotta get this out of the way I
gotta get this out of the waylet me go do this first you know
yeah because I've never but butthen I put all the things that
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I actually wanted to do last.
Lauren L (32:04):
Yeah.
Frank (32:04):
And I don't do them.
Lauren L (32:06):
Yeah.
Frank (32:06):
And that's why at the end of the day I'm like oh my God I
didn't do this.
I didn't so sad.
I'm just depressed.
Lauren L (32:11):
Yeah.
Frank (32:12):
What is life even?
Lauren N (32:13):
Yeah.
Frank (32:14):
Yeah that makes sense.
Lauren N (32:16):
Yeah.
Okay.
Well you're tribal too.
And so when you have tribalcircuitry um you are very
motivated for the tribe.
You're like I have to take careof the tribe.
I have to make sure thateverybody's needs are met.
And it can be easy to lose yourneeds in that.
But the thing with the tribe isthat it needs to be symbiotic.
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If you're not giving toyourself you can't be you know
giving from an empty cup.
So it's learning to have thatgive and take like just because
you can give and give and givedoesn't mean that you have to do
that all the time.
Frank (32:51):
That's so hard.
I've been told it's hard to beme.
And you know who you know whosaid it?
I did.
Lauren N (32:58):
Yeah.
Every day you also have thechannel of struggle and so
you're here to really struggleyour way through life.
Frank (33:08):
Yeah I saw that.
Lauren N (33:09):
And learn what's worth struggling for or not.
Lauren L (33:12):
He's got a new mantra lately that is what if it was
easy well I feel like thechannel of struggle is that it
gives you purpose.
Lauren N (33:24):
You realize what's worth struggling for and it's a
very like human channel to haveI mean you probably get that as
a third line too Lauren.
I feel like as as a third lineyou probably understand that
sometimes things just like don'tgo the way that you expected.
But the channel of struggleit's like you guys can be very
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empowering because you canfigure out how you're meant to
struggle so that you can figureout how to get through struggles
and you can then empower otherpeople through their struggles.
Frank (33:55):
Yes.
Right.
Lauren N (33:56):
But Raw does say if you're fixing something in the
house don't have a channel ofstruggle by you because it'll
just you'll you'll end upstruggling too oh my God.
Lauren L (34:08):
See why do I can't tell you how many things Frank
has accidentally broken becausehe's just like but I'm also the
one that's gonna fix it.
He's like fixing it but alsolike he's like well shit I just
broke this camera all the timeit's why I tend to lean towards
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things that don't break this ismy everyday mug for like 10
years now and it's it's metal.
Frank (34:35):
I can drop it all I want.
Lauren L (34:37):
Oh my god there you go anyway so evolving I love it
that's great.
So is are manifestinggenerators like kind of a combo
of manifestors and generators oris it like they're more like
generators so they are acombination where they still
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have an impact and it'srecommended to inform people
because of that.
Lauren N (35:05):
So what makes somebody a manifester is they have a
motor so an energy center that'sconnected to their throat and
so they have a very quick way ofspeaking and that motor to the
throat is what is causing thatimpact and that ability to
manifest.
And so being a manifestinggenerator means you have a motor
connected to your throat.
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So you have this ability to bereally quick with your words and
to make a lot of impact aroundyou but you also have a defined
sacral center which is thegenerator.
So with manifesting generatorsnot only are you experiencing
satisfaction which is thesignpost for generators but
you're also experiencing peacewhich is the signpost of
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manifestors.
And but it's still so anger andfrustration that's how
manifesting generators canreally figure out okay am I
causing extra resistance in mylife?
Am I making things harder formyself than I need to um and
it's not that you know anger orfrustration are meant to be
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avoided at all costs.
They're just there tocommunicate with you to say hey
maybe we just need to readjust alittle bit maybe this is
something that didn't feel goodand we can learn from that or we
can speak up for ourselves oryou know maybe we don't have to
do that again.
So it's just a way that ourinner is communicating with us
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when we are off course versuslike once we are on course.
Lauren L (36:36):
Okay.
That's that's great.
Lauren N (36:39):
Does that make sense?
Yeah and with any generator ormanifesting generator yes or no
questions to help you like getin touch with your sacral
because sometimes you don't knowif you have the energy to do
something in the moment unlesssomebody asks you.
So like your child you'resaying they if they're going to
bed and their mind's racingmaybe during the day ask them
(37:02):
like is this how you want to useyour energy do you want to go
to the park or do you want to dothis?
Instead of having an open-endedquestion, giving them specifics
to respond to and allowing themand yourselves to use your
energy in a way that you're likeoh yeah I want to do this right
now.
Lauren L (37:21):
Okay.
That's great.
That makes sense.
Lauren N (37:23):
And you guys can do that with each other too like
ask each other yes or no insteadof what do you want for dinner
like do you want Thai fordinner?
Do you want pizza for dinner?
Like making it where the answeris a yes or no and you can feel
in your body like ooh thisfeels good or ooh no I do not
want to do that.
Frank (37:43):
This is great.
Maybe this is part of Lauren'shuman design but getting Lauren
to give a binary answer might beone of the most impossible
things on this planet.
She will when you ask her iflike I don't know how you got
through school with like um likeyou know is the answer A or B
kind of stuff.
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If it had if she had a chanceshe would write in a paragraph
instead like dude you just needto answer the question.
Lauren L (38:10):
If it had A through E, I would get so overwhelmed.
I was also gonna say I think mythe the motor to my throat is a
little broken because sometimesI have I have a hard time
getting a thought out like mybrain's moving faster and my my
words aren't as quick.
So I don't resonate with thatas much because I'm like that's
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other people it's not me butyeah making a decision um that
could be that can bechallenging.
However you don't ask me a lotof yes or no's oh no I do.
Frank (38:44):
So if I were to ask Lauren something like hey do you
like ketchup?
It's like well with what?
And I'm like no dude like doyou like it?
Lauren N (38:55):
And I will give I will give a dialogue all of Lauren's
answers start with well andit's like oh no I don't here we
go buckle up there's a lot ofnuance there are and well your
um your emotional wave so yourmotor to your throat is your
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solar plexus and it's thechannel of transitories and it's
unconscious.
And so I which both of you guysactually your motors are
unconscious to your throat.
So there could be this you knowspeaking without realizing what
you're saying.
But I mean also Lauren you wellyou both have split definition
but it's like your solar plexusand your throat are connected
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and when you have a solar plexuswhich is never knows in the now
the solar plexus never knows inthe now and so that is
connected to your throat that isthis like I don't know ask me
again later.
Yeah I'm not sure how I'mfeeling whereas um Frank your
sacral which is very in the nowright now is what's connected to
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your throat so you're likeright now this is me this is
what I am thinking this is whatI'm feeling so you are a bit
more even though you'reemotional like when you're
speaking it is from this likeempowered state of right now
whereas Lauren it's like thiskind of confusion.
Plus you have the fifth lineand there's this paranoia that's
(40:23):
like ingrained in you guys tolike not say or do the wrong
thing because peoplemisinterpret you all the time.
So it's like you can tend to bewant to be like really careful
with your words and um not saysomething that's going to get
you in trouble later.
Lauren L (40:38):
Oh my God.
Lauren N (40:39):
Yeah yeah I'm very cautious when I speak and I
always say I write I I'm able toget my thoughts out and my
words perfectly chosen if I'mwriting something but when I'm
saying something it'll take me awhile because I'm like I gotta
choose this what like I don'twant to you know say the wrong
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thing that ends up gettinggetting misinterpreted because I
didn't mean it that way helpfulfor you to understand my
dearest darling um hold on I Idon't want to skip out on
projector and reflector yeahyeah okay so can you explain
what projectors are yeah soprojectors um they make up about
(41:26):
20% of the population and sothey are while like the
generators and the manifestinggenerators you guys are like the
builders um of the world andthe um manifestors are you know
kind of like the lions that arewatching everything the
projector is like this hawkthat's flying and it's not
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really in the middle ofeverything but it's kind of
observing things and it's seeingfrom a different perspective
what other people aren't seeing.
So projectors and generatorshave a very symbiotic
relationship and projectorsdidn't start incarnating until
the 1700s when we went throughthis biological shift and we
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turned into from a manifestorworld into this generator world
and the generators because youguys are so focused on
yourselves and you're buildingthings it's hard to see kind of
the bigger picture.
And so projectors came in tostart to show them a different
perspective and to guide thesacral energy into building
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things and using energy moreefficiently so projectors um any
advice that I give someonestarting out it's um stop giving
unsolicitated advice that'svery common we love to do that
but wait until people recognizeyou and then because projectors
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can really see the other personthey're the we're the only type
that's really meant to absorbsomebody and focus on them and
help guide them people canreally like our energy and they
can want to hold on to us andthey can want to not share our
focus and our attention withother people.
And so having really goodboundaries with others and
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recognizing um if you are givingyour if you are overgiving to
somebody and only getting youknow breadcrumbs of recognition
recognition or breadcrumbs ofenergy because projectors this
isn't necessarily a projectorworld which as we move into 2027
projectors are then going tothe top of the hierarchy as we
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build this new world or societyum it's so easy for us to feel
like we don't belong.
And so we get so kind ofaddicted to the sacral energy of
the generators around us andkind of just accepting whatever
we're given instead of beingempowered and saying like you
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know no enough is enough likethis is how you will treat me
and this is um how much energy Ican give you and really taking
ownership of their own energy.
And projectors are verysensitive to their environments
and other people so you knowtaking a lot of showers or baths
going for walks grounding um wecan absorb so much around us it
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can be very dysregulating attimes.
And for projectors um oursignature is bitterness versus
success and that is how we canpinpoint okay are we off track
or are we not on track?
And that bitterness it justcuts you uh nobody wants to be
around a bitter projectorbecause they will penetrate into
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you and put that bitternessinto you and it feels so icky.
But then the signpost is whenyou start recognizing and seeing
yourself and realizing yourworth that's when other people
can start to see and recognizethat too and that's how you get
empowered.
That's how um as Ra puts it anempowered projector their energy
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is never the problem.
A projector that is you knowcompletely operating in a way
that is not correct for them,their energy is always going to
be a problem.
They're always going to beburned out you're never going to
have enough but if yourecognize yourself and you only
allow the people who really seeyou and respect you and give to
you into your orbit um yourenergy is not a problem anymore.
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And you just slide through lifethat is kind of the projector
blessing is when you are correctthings just kind of glide and
it gets so much easier.
Frank (45:46):
That's so interesting because I feel like I know a
couple of projector types who italways I've noticed if they
outsource their um recognitionlike they they need affirmation
from somebody else it it is alsonever enough.
Lauren N (46:03):
So you're saying and that can cause bitterness you're
saying that they need toacknowledge their own uh value
basically absolutely nobodypeople can't recognize and see
the value of a projector unlessthey first see that in
themselves.
Frank (46:21):
Yeah yeah yeah that's cool yeah that's so I could
imagine that being huge I meanfor that's great advice for
anybody but for someone withthat disposition that's a big
deal.
Lauren L (46:33):
Yeah that's right yeah that's great.
Lauren N (46:36):
Well and as and as projectors if they are absorbing
people that aren't the correctpeople for them that can
completely take them off coursetoo.
And if you're off course it'slike everything goes wrong for
the projector like life willjust pile on to you because the
world needs projectors and it'sgoing to make you so
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uncomfortable to try to get youto change but I mean there are
so many bitter projectors thatjust want to have their head in
the sand and be like no like Iwant to be a generator I want to
be like everybody else um Iwill just take whatever I'm
given but when you realize thatyou don't have to just you know
take and accept whatever you'regiven and you can make those
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terms yourself there is thisempowerment and also when a
projector is empowered they areso magnetic just like a
generator who's doing stuff thatlights them up they just pull
things to them so quickly thepeople that they are meant to
guide it's like they are thislighthouse and in the darkness
and like moths to a flame peopleare just like you are the
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person that I need to help meyou know figure this thing out.
Frank (47:47):
That's awesome.
Lauren N (47:48):
That makes sense for projectors we know that makes so
much sense.
Frank (47:51):
That's such that's such good advice.
Yeah because I I really feellike the projectors from what
I've experienced so farobviously we talked about like
the kind of turmoil I can gothrough being a manifesting
generator and all that but Ifeel like like you said like a
projector who's not not in theirin their comfort zone in their
space can like it's so it seemslike it's so debilitating to
them.
Like it's hard to even likewake up in the morning kind of
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thing.
Lauren N (48:14):
Yeah absolutely I mean because we really our energy is
dependent on getting energyfrom the people around us and we
can have defined motors but ifwe're going to be consistent
with life if we're going to beable to build a life we need to
have generators around us whosee us and recognize us and we
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have that symbiotic relationshipwhere they give us energy and
we give them guidance that'scool.
Frank (48:41):
Okay that's perfect.
Lauren N (48:42):
Yeah quick question you mentioned something about a
biological shift in the 70s huhyeah the 1700s 1700s I got the
seven right so um ra describesit as we were seven centers
which you know there are theseven chakra system and the
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seven centers was focused onlike mind survival but we went
through this biologicalevolution where two of the
chakras split into two and wewent from being focused on
survival to focused on communityand you know companionship and
um not just killing each other.
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He calls them like killermonkeys um where we started to
become humans.
And so the heart split into twoso the heart and the g center
and then the spleen and thesolar plexus split into two.
I mean it is just chakras rightyeah it is the chakras only you
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know two of them split and soum the G center that's like
direction identity and then theheart center is ego and
willpower so those used to beconnected as one and then they
split and then the spleen isabout survival whereas the solar
plexus is about feeling and sowe began to feel emotions beyond
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just survival.
And so it was with the creationof us becoming you know seven
centered to nine centered thatthen projectors began
incarnating because they weremeant to be the guides of the uh
nine centered beings.
Frank (50:24):
I want to jump into deeper questions in a second but
I want to go over reflectorsfirst.
I don't want any reflectors tofeel left out.
Lauren N (50:31):
Yeah about to ask yeah yes they so often feel left out
because they are less than 2%of the world and so you don't
come across them very often umbut they are the only type that
is ruled by the moon.
So while um generators andmanifesting generators their
aura is open and enveloping itfeels like this hug um and then
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manifestors there's just closedand then projector is it points
and it absorbs people and kindof takes them on as themselves.
Reflectors their aura is closedlike a manifestor but it
samples people and things.
But they are here to really bein the middle of the room in the
middle of it all and theyabsorb all of the energy around
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them and so that they cancollectively be like okay this
is off so like if you have a acompany or a family and there's
a reflector if the reflector islike freaking out there's gonna
be energy that's like off foryou know whatever reason.
Frank (51:35):
So they're like this barometer of energy are they the
canary in the coal mine for ofhumans?
Lauren N (51:43):
Yeah that's a great analogy for sure.
Frank (51:46):
Yeah oh my gosh that's your brother I oh is the one
reflector we know I gotta Igotta pull my brother in a cage
and bring him around everywhereI go and like dude are we safe
here but like he's all aboutvibes.
He is all about vibes like andhe's a man of few words too
he'll be like nah I'm notfeeling it.
Lauren L (52:03):
I'm like listen to what he said and he doesn't like
too much like confrontation orconflict he will like walk out
if if if the generators are areare arguing or getting heated or
whatever he's like I'm notinvolved back once there's jokes
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to be made like a projectorthey you know absorb one person
which at a time which can beoverwhelming the reflector
absorbs everything around themso it's almost like they have
this um this aura that's kind oflike the generator and the
manifester where it's like youknow open and encompassing and
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they're just absorbingeverything.
Lauren N (52:49):
And being in the right environment is everything for a
reflector like if they are notin the correct environments for
them everything goes wrong andthey can become so disappointed
and they can experience all ofthe other signposts.
So anger frustration bitternessum and they can become so rigid
(53:14):
in their thinking um and solike ingrained in like society
and like this is how things needto be because they really just
morph into the environments thatthey are and so like they can
be some of like the mostcutthroat people or they can be
some of like the most expansiveand happy and light people.
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It just really depends likewho's around them and what
environments are they in.
And then I mean with reflectorsI mean being ruled by the moon
their authority is lunar.
So whenever they it comes tomaking a decision it's like they
have to wait pretty much a fulllike 28 days to make a decision
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and to really feel it out andknow if it's correct for them.
And so for any reflector who'sgetting into human design start
my advice is start tracking themoon and seeing how it affects
you because the thing withreflectors is as the moon
shifts, they become a manifesterand a generator and a
manifesting generator and aprojector throughout the course
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of the month.
And it's only by experimentingand sampling all of that energy
throughout the entire wheel thatthey can be like this this is
my clarity or this is not myclarity.
And so they're really here tokind of slowly move through life
and to try and I mean create alife that's gonna allow them to
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slow down or else then they'regonna get upset and be very
stickler about things.
Frank (54:51):
That's so interesting.
Yeah what so I'm obviously nota reflector so I'm not gonna
like fully resonate with thatbut I would imagine that there
would be a pain point here oflike um of like self-identity
like that sounds difficult likeif you are capable of inheriting
all these uh vibes and and uhmindsets around you like and you
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come home and you're byyourself for a minute who who
who who am I you know like or oris it like the reflection after
a full 28 days and that isthere like a moment of clarity
where you're like ah I see likelet me reflect on on these these
past weeks.
Lauren N (55:30):
So um it's interesting you said that because I just a
few days ago I had a reflectorcomment in one of my videos on
TikTok and she was saying youknow I wish that I could be the
same and I wish that I had thislike set identity.
But the thing with reflectorsis that is their superpower is
that they're not here to be thesame.
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And really anybody who has anopen G center so that's the um
diamond shape in the middle ofthe chart they are here to be a
chameleon and they are here tochange and to not really be
consistent in their identity.
And so there is this one end ofthe spectrum where you could be
like wow I wish that I wasdifferent but the thing with
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human design is it's like nothis is who you are and this is
who you're supposed to be.
And so you don't need to bedifferent.
And when you are different thatis what is like or when you're
not allowing yourself to beyourself that is what's going to
cause resistance into yourlife.
And it's really by being youthat you learn to really start
to love you and to trustyourself and to appreciate what
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you are.
Reflectors are so rare and thatis you know a big role for them
to take to be the barometer ofthe room.
And so but it's I think if thereflector is really honoring
their energy not burningthemselves out allowing
themselves to be in environmentsthat feel good to them they'll
see that this is actually asuperpower nobody can do what a
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reflector does but them.
And they have so much value tobring I mean they can feel and
see things way before anybodyelse can it's so funny.
Frank (57:10):
Like my my relationship with my brother specifically is
uh yeah I'm again I'm amanifesting generator and as we
discussed earlier I cause my ownproblems and I fix them.
And I'm going around being alittle chaotic and like fixing
it and I'm like oh but I havethis idea and I want to start
this but I I gotta follow myheart and it's over here.
And then my brother comesaround and he's like hey and I'm
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like yeah I I want some of thatand he's my young he's my
younger brother too so it's likeI've already told him like I
look up to my younger brotherbecause I'm like I want some of
that calm assessment and it'ssuch a cool thing to have and
and if you're comfortable withthat that calm assessment and
that being different things andbeing exactly what you need at
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that time in that space like umyeah I could see that being an
incredible superpower.
Lauren N (57:58):
Yeah they're invaluable for sure and they're
all like old souls everyreflector I've encountered I'm
like you've seen some lives likeyou're not like other people
that's so interesting.
Lauren L (58:11):
That that's that sounds true.
Frank (58:13):
So can we can we now I mean I'll let you decide what's
what's best Lauren other Laurennot wife Lauren someone else's
wife Lauren we can do profile.
Lauren N (58:27):
So while your energy type is meant to like get you
onto the path and allow you tosee like when you're veering off
of it or not your profile islike your archetype.
That's the role that you'rehere to play in life.
And then your incarnation crossthe your purpose that just
plays out whether you want it toor not thank you for listening.
Frank (58:50):
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For more than 30 years The River Cafe in London, has been the home-from-home of artists, architects, designers, actors, collectors, writers, activists, and politicians. Michael Caine, Glenn Close, JJ Abrams, Steve McQueen, Victoria and David Beckham, and Lily Allen, are just some of the people who love to call The River Cafe home. On River Cafe Table 4, Rogers sits down with her customers—who have become friends—to talk about food memories. Table 4 explores how food impacts every aspect of our lives. “Foods is politics, food is cultural, food is how you express love, food is about your heritage, it defines who you and who you want to be,” says Rogers. Each week, Rogers invites her guest to reminisce about family suppers and first dates, what they cook, how they eat when performing, the restaurants they choose, and what food they seek when they need comfort. And to punctuate each episode of Table 4, guests such as Ralph Fiennes, Emily Blunt, and Alfonso Cuarón, read their favourite recipe from one of the best-selling River Cafe cookbooks. Table 4 itself, is situated near The River Cafe’s open kitchen, close to the bright pink wood-fired oven and next to the glossy yellow pass, where Ruthie oversees the restaurant. You are invited to take a seat at this intimate table and join the conversation. For more information, recipes, and ingredients, go to https://shoptherivercafe.co.uk/ Web: https://rivercafe.co.uk/ Instagram: www.instagram.com/therivercafelondon/ Facebook: https://en-gb.facebook.com/therivercafelondon/ For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iheartradio app, apple podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.com
Dateline NBC
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