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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, you've done that a few times in your life,
haven't you.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Yeah, it just been comeing to proverbial like, hey, check
one too, check one too, too too back back in
the day.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
I don't do sound checks as much.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Anymore, And now when I have to do them, I
just count to ten and then count to ten.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
Backwards to just try to spice it up or tell
a joke.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
How you doing, man, I'm good man.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Thanks for taking the time on a Saturday to hang out.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Uh Saturday for you? Still Friday for us?
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Yes, Friday Friday. That tells you where my mind is at.
I don't even know what day of the week it is.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
And so you must be in Europe. How's that treating you.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
I'm not in Europe. I'm actually uh had a, I
had a quick.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Moment to come in and see my parents. I'm actually
in Tennessee at the moment.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Okay, well so you are. You're a little bit jet lag,
we'll call it, why not right?
Speaker 3 (00:55):
What? Yeah, I've been in LA for about three and
a half weeks.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
So I left yesterday and got here like super super
late last night. But the schedule has been It doesn't
surprise me that I thought it was Saturday when it's Friday.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
You're like, how nice of this guy to take time
out of his Saturday to talk to Shine down right,
let's talk about the band. Things are popping for you.
You're one of the biggest rock bands out there right now.
But it wasn't always easy getting to this point, now,
was it.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
I mean, I don't think it's easy for any band
or any artists, no matter what kind of style of
music it is. I mean, if I think about the
fact that we've been doing it, I guess if I
had to say professionally touring and making records, it's probably
been two decades. But again, you know, it's still an
industry that is built around playing live, getting better at
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playing live, making records, and trying not to write the
same record over and over again, and doing your best
not to write the same song twice. So I think
that we just always kept the bar really high. Idea
I think as an artist is to never arrive. There's
always another gear to go to. I wouldn't want it
to be. I don't think that we're built with the
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idea that we want anything handed to us. I think
you're going to need to earn.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
It, you know, and there's been some hurdles for you
personally on this crazy road of rock and roll. You know,
it hasn't always been that easy. You know, you battled
weight laws, you had drug and alcohol problems. Being a
rock star is tough.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Just a cliche story, you know what I mean, Like, Man,
could this guy be a little bit more original?
Speaker 3 (02:37):
No, man, it's just perseverance.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
I mean, I think that my autobio, you know, if
I think about it from like an autobiography or or
however you look at it. You know, my my journey
is in the songs, you know. I think that that's
why the band. I think that's why the band connects
with the audience, whether they're you know, fans that have
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been with us from the beginning, or they're just kind
of finding out who we are.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
We've always kind of been looked.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
At as a pretty cerebral band, so the lyrics and
the music and the message has always been the number
one thing.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
But uh yeah, I mean I feel.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Fortunate to be where I am right now. You're talking
to a really lucky individual. With everything that has gone
on in the last two decades, I think I'm more
focused on the next twenty years now more than ever.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Though, well you remain very humble.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
I try.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
You know, why do you think Jacksonville produces so many
great rock and rollers? Why is that? Why? Why do
so many people out of northern Florida, you know, make
it to the general public. How does that happen?
Speaker 2 (03:45):
I think that area, you know sometimes you know, look, Florida.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
I think it's miss under if I just got to
say the name, and that's what that reaction. Say the
name of the state and you'll get the reactions. No,
and that right there. You know, I think that Florida
is a bit misunderstood. You know what's interesting is this.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
I came from I was born and raised in Knoxville, Tennessee,
and when I made my way, I didn't have plans
to I didn't really know what was going to happen.
I found myself in Jacksonville, and luckily enough, when I
found myself in Jacksonville, I just found this melting pot
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of a lot of different types of really creative people.
And because that, it's kind of a trifecta. You have
like Jacksonville, Daytona, and then Orlando, and then you go
a little further you have Tampa and then eating Gainesville
at the you know, at the very very top, and
then Miami, of course, which is a cultural melting pot.
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I just think there's a lot of artistic people there
that are pretty open minded. And you know, I always
suggest people go into Florida and keep an open mind
when you're talking about music and you're talking about art,
and I just think, for whatever reason, it just produces
a lot of people that, you know, they don't really
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I've always noticed that it was never about one particular
style of music there. Like there's people genre bending and
doing all kinds of different you know, mashups and styles
and things like that. I mean, it's in Jacksonville, there
was I mean, as far as I don't mean to
keep talking about the artistic community or what have you,
but there's a pretty large community of just really creative
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people in Jacksonville.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
I mean, you know, Northern Florida is legendary for the
musicians that cranked out you know, skinnered Tom Petty.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Yeah, well, you know, Susan Tadesky Yellow Cards from there.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
From there, you know, it's uh.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Yeah, Shine down the Estate two thousand and one, Jacksonville, Proper.
That's where I formed the band, you know, Yeah, man,
good company, you know.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
And it was another Jacksonville band that you know, got
me interested in you was your cover of Skinnered simple Man.
I remember when you came into the studios in the
early two thousands of KBPI in Denver, and you don't
look like the way you do now, which is a
good thing.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
A little bit maybe I look a little bit better.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
And you came in there with that acoustic guitar and
you'd already done it at a couple of stations, I know.
I think it popped from your appearance on that Tampa station, Yeah,
back in the early two thousands, and then everybody got
it and it was viral before viral was a thing.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
It actually it happened at WAAF with the djuh in Woodston. Yeah,
dear dear friend of ours, mistress Carry, and it happened
in Boston and it's uh and she's still to this
day like one of the closest I mean, she's family
to the band. But yeah, just it kind of was
a spur of the moment. It It really was.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Let me see here, always happens like this.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
I get on the zoom call and like or I'm
doing a zoom interview. It never fails. Everybody's like, oh,
text team, now call him now because he's on the golf.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Are you doing it? Did you connect with them?
Speaker 3 (07:30):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (07:30):
I know, I'm just like I'm on my phone trying
to have the conversation right now. But no, Yeah, it
was a I think that's why it connected because that
day that we did it in the studio in Boston
with Mistress carry the Simple Man cover, it wasn't planned.
It was such an interesting uh you know, the what
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led up to it and everything was so authentic and
it just was like a moment in time and it
was kind of like catching lightning in a bottle really,
and it kind of took off from there.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Yeah, great cover, and I know it inspired a ton
of people. I mean, now you're helping other bands out,
You're helping other people, You're pulling their hands up the
ladder like Jelly Roll. I mean, you guys were friends
with this dude before anybody even knew who he was really,
except you know, regionally.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
I mean the thing about Jelly is that and I
had this discussion about him the other day because a
lot of times people will ask me like, where did
that come from? Where did that relationship come from it. Honestly,
we met him in twenty twenty one at there was
a festival called Blue Ridge, and I had never met him.
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Zach had known him just from the Tennessee scene between
like Nashville, Antioch and Memphis. But yeah, man, and oddly enough,
I asked him to come up that night on our
set and do Simple Man with us, and he did.
And then as we went into the following year in
twenty twenty two, early in February of that year, I
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just said, hey, I want this individual to come out
and do this tour with us in these amphitheaters in
the summer, and he did and the rest is history.
But what I can tell you about Jelly is that
you're never gonna meet a more deserving individual of success.
You're never gonna meet a more authentic person in the
truth form.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
The guy is grateful too, super grateful literally.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
But also people say that like this is an overnight
success and holy crap, like this is just all of
a sudden boom. It's like there's nothing overnight about Jelly,
Like he's been working at this, studying his craft, honing
his skills, that when it was time for him to launch,
he was ready to go, and he was gonna you know,
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these the guy has just been working really really hard
for a number of years. So when he had this
just what seemed like just a rocket ship, which by
the way, he's still on, he was going to know
how to handle it.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
True, just done an.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Incredible I mean, dude, he he compartmentalizes and he juggles
a lot of different scenarios and situations. He's got his
you know, he's in a lot of different things, not
just music. He's acting now, he's doing a lot of
different things with that.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
He's he's just the best.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Yeah, he's a good nothing.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Like I don't that guy deserves everything that he that's
happening in his life right now. It's such a wonderful
human being. And you know, look, man, I'm here for it.
I'm a fan, and he's just the absolute great.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Isn't it cool? You know you said that he was prepared,
that he worked really hard to get to this point.
He was ready when he was given the chance. But
you also, you know, you helped expose him to a
lot of people on that first tour that he did,
that first big national tour. Now, you know, you don't
want to Pat yourself on the back, I know, but
you know, and he was ready for it. It's not
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like you grab somebody out of nowhere and said we're
gonna make this due to start. You win. This guy,
all he needs is just an extra push, more people
to see him and and folks are going to embrace him.
And it's kind of unique how this blurred line again
in the history of music between country and rock music.
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You see Jelly doing a lot of stuff. He was
at Ozzie's Hall of Fame induction ceremony. He's on stage
with you guys. He does a lot of back and
forth and I think that he's mass appeal. And you're
taking another country artist out on the road with you
for this first leg. This Morgan Wade Kid. Where did
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you find him?
Speaker 3 (11:46):
Well, it's not a hymn, it's a her. I see.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
That's how much I know. Where did you find her?
Speaker 3 (11:52):
You know? But here's the thing, like you know, but
you you you know her name? Now.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
She's just a very interesting individual and just a really
compelling songwriter. She's actually kind of working on material now
that's leaning a little bit more rock than country. But
she's just a poet, like really in a lot of ways,
Like her songs are very unique, they're very heartfelt. There's
just a super Again, I'm the biggest fan of artists
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that I can tell are extremely authentic.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
Like when I can see the authenticity.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
And that they're carving their own path and they're paving
their own way, I gravitate towards that. And yeah, Man's
just she's really really talented. We try to put tours
together and work with people that we feel is going
to broaden the reach when we're touring. You know, the
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first leg of touring that we're doing, Morgan's on both
of these legs that we're doing in North America, but
the first leg it's US Morgan, Wade and Bear Tooth,
and then the second leg is US Morgan, Wade and Bush.
And we just filmed a bunch of stuff with Gavin
and Morgan the other day.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
We had an absolute blast.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Me and Caleb just shot like I think he was
probably we were in there for about four and a
half five hours. The other day we were in Hinton
Studios in Los Angeles. We'd never really met one another,
so like we filmed basically us coming into a room
with each other for the first time and we just
had a conversation and yeah, it's just it's fun to
work with different people. It's fun to me and Gavin
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have worked with each other in the past, the bands
have have been on shows and what have you, but
we've never done like a real proper tour together. And
he's just the absolute best. So yeah, we always keep
an open mind and we like to mix the genres
and expand upon that and try to give the audience
something unique.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
So let's talk about this tour. You're naming it after
the single that's out right now, dance Kid Dance.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
This will kick off I think in April in Des Moines.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Yeah, and you're cruising across a Mayor America all the
way through August. You'll probably end up doing more than
you wanted to. That's the way it always goes. We
got to add more dates. They're calling the Dance Kid
Dance Tour like the biggest shine Down tour ever. So
why is that? Is that due to dates? Is that
due to production? Is that due to venues? Why is
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this Dance Kid Dance Tour going to be Shinedown's biggest?
Speaker 2 (14:23):
Yeah, honestly, it just kind of answered it for North America.
It's the production that we're doing and the scale of
the production. It's also the amount of shows in the
amount of time that we're doing them. They're all like
they're kind of a list markets. I don't necessarily like
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saying it like that though, because you have like they
call them A markets and then they call them B
markets and they call them church Arey markets. I'm like, listen,
the building in Des Moines holds sixteen thousand people. The
building in New York City, which is Madison Square Garden,
holds sixteen thousand people. So yeah, they are a different places,
but you still got to put sixteen thousand people in there.
So now it's just some of these buildings we've never
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played before.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Either, Mike, Madison Square Garden is that will just be
your first time there, very first wow.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
And to be able to walk into that building as
a headliner for the first time is something that we
take really serious. Like we start at the gardens the
first two shows of the second leg, so we start
we start in the Boston Garden.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
Never been in there either, the Madison Square Garden.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
They're all NBA arenas and the back half of the tour,
the front half the ten shows we're doing in the
front are are big building as well, but like second
half too, Like we're playing the Key of Forum in
Los Angeles. Never played the Key of Forum ever to
go in as a headliner. It's just, you know, these
buildings are massive and uh they're you know, they're not
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curtained or scaled off.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
It's full up, man.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
So it's a it's a big deal for us to
be able to put on a show.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
And for us, we we just decided.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
You know, over twenty years, you accumulate certain things in staging,
and you know, you do things that like the audience
kind of knows you're going to do. But there's such
a growth of new basically, there's just new fans and
there's just new people coming into the fold of the band,
which is what we always wanted. So, you know, we're
always looking to grow the audience. So when we looked
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at the scale of the buildings, we said, you know what,
let's just build the show from the ground up. And uh,
it's taken a lot of work. It's probably six months
of planning, negotiating, fabricating, making sure the vendors know exactly
what we want to do, how we want to do it.
You know, one people I can tell you about the
one thing I can tell the people about the show.
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And I'm not necessarily giving anything away because once they
get into the building, they'll start to see what's going on.
The stage is just not traditionally you know, in the
back of the house, like here's your stage, and you
don't leave it.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
Okay, there's stage.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
There's stages everywhere, oh in the arena, so like you're
never gonna know where where someone's gonna pop out at
or like where somebody's gonna be. Like the goal was
to immerse the band and everybody in the band with
the audience, so we didn't feel like the back of
the house.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
We couldn't get to them if we wanted to play
at the.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Front of the house, back of the house, sides of
the state, like it's there's a constant flow moving throughout
the night.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Not a bad seat, not a bad seat. So is
this is this and you've released two singles three six
five and Dance Kid Dance? Is this leading to a
new record? Are you going to release a full length?
Or is this because I know a lot of bands
are just doing singles now every now and then and
then maybe they put together an album at the end
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of that recording cycle. Maybe not, but yes, that you
are going to release a full length.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
So we have twenty four songs written and recorded. They're
in the mixing phase right now, and the quality of
what we're doing is always going to be paramount and
the number one thing. We don't just like write a
bunch of songs and then release them all. We are
also still writing. There's a couple more things that me
and Eric, our bass player who's also the producer, engineer,
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mixer of.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
The last three records.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
We're still in that phase where so to answer the question, absolutely,
there'll be a record later this year, probably around August
is what we're thinking. But what we didn't want to
do was we didn't want to just not get anything
out and do it in a traditional way where here's
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the first single, there's a grat track a month later,
and then within two to three months from announced, the
record comes out.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
One of the reasons why.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
We're doing it that way is because we're basically three
years ahead right now, so we have a tremendous amount
of international touring that we're planning right now, Like our
goal next year in twenty twenty six is to do
all seven continents, and this year it takes a lot
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of time in preparation to do things like that, so
like we had to kind of it's actually been really
fun to do it this way.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
You started your story now with this new record.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Yeah, so it's like release released two songs that you
feel kind of shows both sides of the band, and
kind of let that get out there and let people
kind of hear what we're doing, and then when it's right,
we'll announce the record. But the announcement of the records
probably right around the corner, but I think it's we're
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shooting for an August release globally.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
You know.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
It's just we needed to do it a little differently
just because of all the planning of the touring and
then also just the international looks on everything.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
But the record of the record is ready.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Are you going to call it dance? Good dance?
Speaker 2 (20:04):
No, that's the thing We just we we don't know
exactly what we're gonna call it just yet. We've also
got some just some different ways that we want to
let people know there's some insight to the record.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
It's not us trying.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
To be clever or do something outside of the box
just for the sake of being different. But we want
this experience to be a bit more unique with the
audience because you know, we've got fans that have been
with us from the beginning, and then we've got people
that are just starting to find.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
Out to Shine Down is.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
So we have kind of a theory in the way
that we want to roll all of this out. And
also we're just trying to push the boundaries in regards
to songwriting and artistry and what people think.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
Shine Down is.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Hey, you know, I'm getting close. I have so many
questions for you, Brent. We're talking to Brent Smith a
Shineddown and I'm getting close to the end of my time.
I wanted to remind you everybody that you're up for
a couple of iHeart Awards rock Artists of the Year,
in Rock Song of the Year for a Symptom of
Being Human, which is a great song. To these awards,
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it's nice to get, it's nice to be recognized, it's
you know, but the bottom line is they don't really
change who you are. You know, what's the meaning, what's
the level of pride? I mean, everyone's glad to get
an award. But at the end of the day, it's
the guy who buys your ticket, who buys your songs,
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who's that's the reward, that's the award. But how do
you feel about these these trophies?
Speaker 3 (21:40):
Man?
Speaker 2 (21:40):
I gotta be honest with you, being specific about that
particular those two awards that we're up for from iHeart,
you know, for people that don't know a lot about
Shine Down and maybe don't know a lot about me,
like the radio built Shine Down and for those awards
to be nominated something like the iHeart Awards, those actually
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mean a great deal to us just being nominated because
it focuses so much on the listener and the audience,
but terrestrial radio. So those particular awards, the iHeart Award
does mean a lot to us because iHeart has been
a champion of this band really from Jump Street. So yeah, man,
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it's cool to get nominated for these things. And anytime
you get nominated for award, I do see how people
sometimes will you know, there's a knee jerk reaction to
it because the cool thing is to say that you
don't care about these awards or what have you. I'm
gonna be honest with you. I know, people might say
they don't care, but they care. They care. When they
get nominated for something, it's you're being recognized, whether you
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win or not, You're.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
Being recognized for your art. But I will say this.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Also, we never walk into a studio or a writing
session and write the songs because we want to win
a trophy. We're writing the song. We're writing the songs
because we have something to say. And I think that
the acknowledgment and maybe the recognition of just saying, hey,
what you did, hopefully it moved people and it made
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people like this band. In our songwriting, we always want
to give people their confidence and we want to showcase
the human condition. I mean, being nominated, you know, rock
Song of the Year for a symptom of being human.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
That song means a great deal to us. And you know,
if you're going to get nominated, you know, Rock Artists
of the Year, just to be in that category is something.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
That we take very seriously. I mean, look at the
look at the other bands that are nominated, right even
be on the to be you know, even just in
the same list is It's awesome.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
That's March seventeenth. On March seventeenth on Fox TV.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
Yeah, you can watch it and answer your question. Like
for iHeart Award, we definitely care.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Uh, you know, I know that you've guys never toured
with Ozzie, but you played rock Lahole with Ozzy. I
think back in twenty nineteen you were part of the lineup.
You ever meet Ozzie.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
I'm trying to remember if I don't know if we've
ever been.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
I mean, he might have been on one of the
two or three days of that, but.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
Like I can't recall ever like.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Being in the same place as Ozzy on like a
concert or a festival ground.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
It could have been.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
I was going to ask you, you know, he's wrapping
things up here on the fifth of July, what's your
favorite Black Sabbath Ozzie song?
Speaker 3 (24:32):
Man?
Speaker 2 (24:32):
I always was really partial to changes. Yeah, Like, I mean,
I think that's Sabbath if I'm not Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
Yeah, Tony Iomi wrote that when they were in southern
California and in that haunted mansion that they were living
in doing all that coke, he taught himself how to
play piano. He didn't know how to play piano up
until he wrote that song.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
Really, yeah, I never knew that. Yeah. The thing about
sabbath Is. I've always been a little bit more.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
My I know, people will talk about you know, paranoid
and some of the you know, but changes and Planet Caravan. Oh,
I mean great kind of yeah, that deep deep stuff, man,
is the thing that like kind of perks me up
when I hear those types of things, because you have
to put yourself back in time when those songs were
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actually released and presented. You have to think about the
audience or the person listening to that on the radio
or getting that vinyl or what have you been hearing
something like that, because it it really.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
Was unique and original and a bit ahead of its
time in a lot of ways.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
Yeah, those first four records, there was nothing like it,
nothing like it out there. Yeah. Hey man, well I'm
looking forward to whatever you're gonna call. How about we
just use the working titled dance Kid Dance for the
full length? And I love this song, you know, before
I let you go, I have a couple of minutes,
let's talk about dance Kid Dance. I mean, it got
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a great soul there. It's a really cool, poppy kind
of hard rock at times. You're using a lot of
different elements. Like you said, you wanted to showcase both
sides of the band, you know, a lot different than
three six five. How did the inspiration for Dance Kid
Dance come about?
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Well, I mean, I just remember that we had a
conversation about wanting to do something that had a lot
of and we use the word fever in the song.
We wanted something that I just remember being in the
studio saying, I want the track to be really really hot,
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like I want.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
It to be. I don't want it to let up.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
I don't want it to have this kind of like
mid tempo verse that leads into a big core. Like
I just was like, let's do something that like out
of the gate, you're going to take the listener on
a ride and it's something like when the song ends
that you just want to hear it again. And the
other thing too, like the post chorus on things like that.
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Those rhythms were really really important. The solo was really important,
although you know we'll labor over those parts, Like the
solo was kind of labored over all. The way to
go back to like the very first one, you go
through the exercise, but usually.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Let me do that again, time to do that again.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
Times out of ten Man whatever your first approach was
to something. Not all the time, but like usually the
first attempt is the one because you're not thinking about it,
you're just going. And Yeah, we just wanted something that
people could throw down and dance to. I mean literally,
we wanted to have something that from the Rocks side
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of what we do. We wanted not only listeners because
we are a we're a multi format artist like we
do Ben Genres, we do, you know, we don't stay
in one particular lane. It's interesting people has said over
the years, especially in the last like two or three years,
of like is Shine Down a rock band or a
metal band? Or are they an alternative band? Are they
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a pop band? And I just try to tell people
we're just Shine Down, Like we don't like subscribe to
any one thing. It just depends on when we go
into the room that day and the arc of what
we've already done to try and not copy any of that,
and to just it's you know, forward.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
Momentum is a big deal with us when it comes.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
To music and songs and everything, but dance get danced. Literally,
I mean what you hear is exactly what we wanted
to put out there lyrically, it goes down a lot
of deep different threads and what have you. But in
all honesty, we just wanted something when people heard it
for the first time that there was no mistaken that
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we're still rock and roll to the bone and you
know it's a song that you can dance to and
just have a good time.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Well, it's huge. You know, it's going to be number
one in rock radio here I think next week for sure,
which is crazy.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
Man, Like, I think it's the fastest. I don't want
to jinx anything because it's not in there yet. We
won't jinx anything, believe me.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
I don't ever like.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
It's such a it's just an overwhelming amount of emotion
to think about, you know, going back twenty years ago
and where we are now, and we're looking We're proud
of the last twenty years. We're definitely looking towards the
next twenty.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
But how rock.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
Radio has embraced this band and an alternative radio too.
We don't ever take it for granted, and we don't
take for granted the program directors and the people that
play the music or or the fans.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
Like it's very very blessed to be where we are.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Well Gene Simmons has said that rock is dead again.
You got any response to that?
Speaker 2 (29:43):
You know what, Kiss took us out and we did.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
We did.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
We did almost thirty I think it was thirty five
shows in twenty thirteen. They took us and they took
us to Canada. We did their whole Canadian tour with them.
They were so cool, man, they were They literally were great.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
And Gene was great.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Man.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
I had two nose rings at the time.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
I've taken him out since every day Jane would see
me and he'd be like, you have something something in
your nose right here, like you know, do like the dad,
like Jean the Dad is.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
What they would call him out on the road.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
You know, look, man, I'm not Gene Simmons. And to
think about the guy, you know, the kind of life
he's led and is, and he's still very relevant a
lot of different things and really just a smart, smart guy, innovative,
like actually a really innovative bass player. And uh, because
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people don't talk about that a lot of times, Like
the dude played everything like on those records and everything.
Like the guy was very really underrated bass player. But
at the same time, you know, I can't change his
mind about that idea of like rock being dead and
what have you. I don't necessarily agree with it, but
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at the end of the day, he has the.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
Right to his opinion. Sure, you know, more power to him.
Well that's the way that he feels. I just don't.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
See that twenty years man, did you think that it
would last this long?
Speaker 3 (31:18):
I'm ready for the next twenty that's right.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
Brent Smith from Shining Down on The Greg Stone Show
All right, you've done that a few times in your life,
haven't you.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Yeah, it just been comeing to proverbial like, hey, check
one too, check one too, too too back back in
the day.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
I don't do sound checks as much.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Anymore, And now when I have to do them, I
just count to ten and then count to ten.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
Backwards to just try to spice it up or tell
a joke.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
How you doing, man, I'm good man.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Thanks for taking the time on a Saturday to hang out.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Uh Saturday for you? Still Friday for us?
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Yes, Friday Friday. That tells you where my mind is at.
I don't even know what day of the week it is.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
And so you must be in Europe. How's that treating you.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
I'm not in Europe. I'm actually uh had a, I
had a quick.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Moment to come in and see my parents. I'm actually
in Tennessee at the moment.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Okay, well so you are. You're a little bit jet lag,
we'll call it, why not right?
Speaker 3 (00:55):
What? Yeah, I've been in LA for about three and
a half weeks.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
So I left yesterday and got here like super super
late last night. But the schedule has been It doesn't
surprise me that I thought it was Saturday when it's Friday.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
You're like, how nice of this guy to take time
out of his Saturday to talk to Shine down right,
let's talk about the band. Things are popping for you.
You're one of the biggest rock bands out there right now.
But it wasn't always easy getting to this point, now,
was it.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
I mean, I don't think it's easy for any band
or any artists, no matter what kind of style of
music it is. I mean, if I think about the
fact that we've been doing it, I guess if I
had to say professionally touring and making records, it's probably
been two decades. But again, you know, it's still an
industry that is built around playing live, getting better at
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playing live, making records, and trying not to write the
same record over and over again, and doing your best
not to write the same song twice. So I think
that we just always kept the bar really high. Idea
I think as an artist is to never arrive. There's
always another gear to go to. I wouldn't want it
to be. I don't think that we're built with the
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idea that we want anything handed to us. I think
you're going to need to earn.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
It, you know, and there's been some hurdles for you
personally on this crazy road of rock and roll. You know,
it hasn't always been that easy. You know, you battled
weight laws, you had drug and alcohol problems. Being a
rock star is tough.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Just a cliche story, you know what I mean, Like, Man,
could this guy be a little bit more original?
Speaker 3 (02:37):
No, man, it's just perseverance.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
I mean, I think that my autobio, you know, if
I think about it from like an autobiography or or
however you look at it. You know, my my journey
is in the songs, you know. I think that that's
why the band. I think that's why the band connects
with the audience, whether they're you know, fans that have
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been with us from the beginning, or they're just kind
of finding out who we are.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
We've always kind of been looked.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
At as a pretty cerebral band, so the lyrics and
the music and the message has always been the number
one thing.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
But uh yeah, I mean I feel.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Fortunate to be where I am right now. You're talking
to a really lucky individual. With everything that has gone
on in the last two decades, I think I'm more
focused on the next twenty years now more than ever.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Though, well you remain very humble.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
I try.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
You know, why do you think Jacksonville produces so many
great rock and rollers? Why is that? Why? Why do
so many people out of northern Florida, you know, make
it to the general public. How does that happen?
Speaker 2 (03:45):
I think that area, you know sometimes you know, look, Florida.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
I think it's miss under if I just got to
say the name, and that's what that reaction. Say the
name of the state and you'll get the reactions. No,
and that right there. You know, I think that Florida
is a bit misunderstood. You know what's interesting is this.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
I came from I was born and raised in Knoxville, Tennessee,
and when I made my way, I didn't have plans
to I didn't really know what was going to happen.
I found myself in Jacksonville, and luckily enough, when I
found myself in Jacksonville, I just found this melting pot
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of a lot of different types of really creative people.
And because that, it's kind of a trifecta. You have
like Jacksonville, Daytona, and then Orlando, and then you go
a little further you have Tampa and then eating Gainesville
at the you know, at the very very top, and
then Miami, of course, which is a cultural melting pot.
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I just think there's a lot of artistic people there
that are pretty open minded. And you know, I always
suggest people go into Florida and keep an open mind
when you're talking about music and you're talking about art,
and I just think, for whatever reason, it just produces
a lot of people that, you know, they don't really
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I've always noticed that it was never about one particular
style of music there. Like there's people genre bending and
doing all kinds of different you know, mashups and styles
and things like that. I mean, it's in Jacksonville, there
was I mean, as far as I don't mean to
keep talking about the artistic community or what have you,
but there's a pretty large community of just really creative
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people in Jacksonville.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
I mean, you know, Northern Florida is legendary for the
musicians that cranked out you know, skinnered Tom Petty.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Yeah, well, you know, Susan Tadesky Yellow Cards from there.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
From there, you know, it's uh.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Yeah, Shine down the Estate two thousand and one, Jacksonville, Proper.
That's where I formed the band, you know, Yeah, man,
good company, you know.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
And it was another Jacksonville band that you know, got
me interested in you was your cover of Skinnered simple Man.
I remember when you came into the studios in the
early two thousands of KBPI in Denver, and you don't
look like the way you do now, which is a
good thing.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
A little bit maybe I look a little bit better.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
And you came in there with that acoustic guitar and
you'd already done it at a couple of stations, I know.
I think it popped from your appearance on that Tampa station, Yeah,
back in the early two thousands, and then everybody got
it and it was viral before viral was a thing.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
It actually it happened at WAAF with the djuh in Woodston. Yeah,
dear dear friend of ours, mistress Carry, and it happened
in Boston and it's uh and she's still to this
day like one of the closest I mean, she's family
to the band. But yeah, just it kind of was
a spur of the moment. It It really was.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Let me see here, always happens like this.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
I get on the zoom call and like or I'm
doing a zoom interview. It never fails. Everybody's like, oh,
text team, now call him now because he's on the golf.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Are you doing it? Did you connect with them?
Speaker 3 (07:30):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (07:30):
I know, I'm just like I'm on my phone trying
to have the conversation right now. But no, Yeah, it
was a I think that's why it connected because that
day that we did it in the studio in Boston
with Mistress carry the Simple Man cover, it wasn't planned.
It was such an interesting uh you know, the what
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led up to it and everything was so authentic and
it just was like a moment in time and it
was kind of like catching lightning in a bottle really,
and it kind of took off from there.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Yeah, great cover, and I know it inspired a ton
of people. I mean, now you're helping other bands out,
You're helping other people, You're pulling their hands up the
ladder like Jelly Roll. I mean, you guys were friends
with this dude before anybody even knew who he was really,
except you know, regionally.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
I mean the thing about Jelly is that and I
had this discussion about him the other day because a
lot of times people will ask me like, where did
that come from? Where did that relationship come from it. Honestly,
we met him in twenty twenty one at there was
a festival called Blue Ridge, and I had never met him.
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Zach had known him just from the Tennessee scene between
like Nashville, Antioch and Memphis. But yeah, man, and oddly enough,
I asked him to come up that night on our
set and do Simple Man with us, and he did.
And then as we went into the following year in
twenty twenty two, early in February of that year, I
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just said, hey, I want this individual to come out
and do this tour with us in these amphitheaters in
the summer, and he did and the rest is history.
But what I can tell you about Jelly is that
you're never gonna meet a more deserving individual of success.
You're never gonna meet a more authentic person in the
truth form.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
The guy is grateful too, super grateful literally.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
But also people say that like this is an overnight
success and holy crap, like this is just all of
a sudden boom. It's like there's nothing overnight about Jelly,
Like he's been working at this, studying his craft, honing
his skills, that when it was time for him to launch,
he was ready to go, and he was gonna you know,
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these the guy has just been working really really hard
for a number of years. So when he had this
just what seemed like just a rocket ship, which by
the way, he's still on, he was going to know
how to handle it.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
True, just done an.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Incredible I mean, dude, he he compartmentalizes and he juggles
a lot of different scenarios and situations. He's got his
you know, he's in a lot of different things, not
just music. He's acting now, he's doing a lot of
different things with that.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
He's he's just the best.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Yeah, he's a good nothing.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Like I don't that guy deserves everything that he that's
happening in his life right now. It's such a wonderful
human being. And you know, look, man, I'm here for it.
I'm a fan, and he's just the absolute great.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Isn't it cool? You know you said that he was prepared,
that he worked really hard to get to this point.
He was ready when he was given the chance. But
you also, you know, you helped expose him to a
lot of people on that first tour that he did,
that first big national tour. Now, you know, you don't
want to Pat yourself on the back, I know, but
you know, and he was ready for it. It's not
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like you grab somebody out of nowhere and said we're
gonna make this due to start. You win. This guy,
all he needs is just an extra push, more people
to see him and and folks are going to embrace him.
And it's kind of unique how this blurred line again
in the history of music between country and rock music.
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You see Jelly doing a lot of stuff. He was
at Ozzie's Hall of Fame induction ceremony. He's on stage
with you guys. He does a lot of back and
forth and I think that he's mass appeal. And you're
taking another country artist out on the road with you
for this first leg. This Morgan Wade Kid. Where did
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you find him?
Speaker 3 (11:46):
Well, it's not a hymn, it's a her. I see.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
That's how much I know. Where did you find her?
Speaker 3 (11:52):
You know? But here's the thing, like you know, but
you you you know her name? Now.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
She's just a very interesting individual and just a really
compelling songwriter. She's actually kind of working on material now
that's leaning a little bit more rock than country. But
she's just a poet, like really in a lot of ways,
Like her songs are very unique, they're very heartfelt. There's
just a super Again, I'm the biggest fan of artists
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that I can tell are extremely authentic.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
Like when I can see the authenticity.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
And that they're carving their own path and they're paving
their own way, I gravitate towards that. And yeah, Man's
just she's really really talented. We try to put tours
together and work with people that we feel is going
to broaden the reach when we're touring. You know, the
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first leg of touring that we're doing, Morgan's on both
of these legs that we're doing in North America, but
the first leg it's US Morgan, Wade and Bear Tooth,
and then the second leg is US Morgan, Wade and Bush.
And we just filmed a bunch of stuff with Gavin
and Morgan the other day.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
We had an absolute blast.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Me and Caleb just shot like I think he was
probably we were in there for about four and a
half five hours. The other day we were in Hinton
Studios in Los Angeles. We'd never really met one another,
so like we filmed basically us coming into a room
with each other for the first time and we just
had a conversation and yeah, it's just it's fun to
work with different people. It's fun to me and Gavin
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have worked with each other in the past, the bands
have have been on shows and what have you, but
we've never done like a real proper tour together. And
he's just the absolute best. So yeah, we always keep
an open mind and we like to mix the genres
and expand upon that and try to give the audience
something unique.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
So let's talk about this tour. You're naming it after
the single that's out right now, dance Kid Dance.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
This will kick off I think in April in Des Moines.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Yeah, and you're cruising across a Mayor America all the
way through August. You'll probably end up doing more than
you wanted to. That's the way it always goes. We
got to add more dates. They're calling the Dance Kid
Dance Tour like the biggest shine Down tour ever. So
why is that? Is that due to dates? Is that
due to production? Is that due to venues? Why is
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this Dance Kid Dance Tour going to be Shinedown's biggest?
Speaker 2 (14:23):
Yeah, honestly, it just kind of answered it for North America.
It's the production that we're doing and the scale of
the production. It's also the amount of shows in the
amount of time that we're doing them. They're all like
they're kind of a list markets. I don't necessarily like
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saying it like that though, because you have like they
call them A markets and then they call them B
markets and they call them church Arey markets. I'm like, listen,
the building in Des Moines holds sixteen thousand people. The
building in New York City, which is Madison Square Garden,
holds sixteen thousand people. So yeah, they are a different places,
but you still got to put sixteen thousand people in there.
So now it's just some of these buildings we've never
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played before.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Either, Mike, Madison Square Garden is that will just be
your first time there, very first wow.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
And to be able to walk into that building as
a headliner for the first time is something that we
take really serious. Like we start at the gardens the
first two shows of the second leg, so we start
we start in the Boston Garden.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
Never been in there either, the Madison Square Garden.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
They're all NBA arenas and the back half of the tour,
the front half the ten shows we're doing in the
front are are big building as well, but like second
half too, Like we're playing the Key of Forum in
Los Angeles. Never played the Key of Forum ever to
go in as a headliner. It's just, you know, these
buildings are massive and uh they're you know, they're not
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curtained or scaled off.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
It's full up, man.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
So it's a it's a big deal for us to
be able to put on a show.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
And for us, we we just decided.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
You know, over twenty years, you accumulate certain things in staging,
and you know, you do things that like the audience
kind of knows you're going to do. But there's such
a growth of new basically, there's just new fans and
there's just new people coming into the fold of the band,
which is what we always wanted. So, you know, we're
always looking to grow the audience. So when we looked
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at the scale of the buildings, we said, you know what,
let's just build the show from the ground up. And uh,
it's taken a lot of work. It's probably six months
of planning, negotiating, fabricating, making sure the vendors know exactly
what we want to do, how we want to do it.
You know, one people I can tell you about the
one thing I can tell the people about the show.
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And I'm not necessarily giving anything away because once they
get into the building, they'll start to see what's going on.
The stage is just not traditionally you know, in the
back of the house, like here's your stage, and you
don't leave it.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
Okay, there's stage.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
There's stages everywhere, oh in the arena, so like you're
never gonna know where where someone's gonna pop out at
or like where somebody's gonna be. Like the goal was
to immerse the band and everybody in the band with
the audience, so we didn't feel like the back of
the house.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
We couldn't get to them if we wanted to play
at the.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Front of the house, back of the house, sides of
the state, like it's there's a constant flow moving throughout
the night.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Not a bad seat, not a bad seat. So is
this is this and you've released two singles three six
five and Dance Kid Dance? Is this leading to a
new record? Are you going to release a full length?
Or is this because I know a lot of bands
are just doing singles now every now and then and
then maybe they put together an album at the end
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of that recording cycle. Maybe not, but yes, that you
are going to release a full length.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
So we have twenty four songs written and recorded. They're
in the mixing phase right now, and the quality of
what we're doing is always going to be paramount and
the number one thing. We don't just like write a
bunch of songs and then release them all. We are
also still writing. There's a couple more things that me
and Eric, our bass player who's also the producer, engineer,
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mixer of.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
The last three records.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
We're still in that phase where so to answer the question, absolutely,
there'll be a record later this year, probably around August
is what we're thinking. But what we didn't want to
do was we didn't want to just not get anything
out and do it in a traditional way where here's
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the first single, there's a grat track a month later,
and then within two to three months from announced, the
record comes out.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
One of the reasons why.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
We're doing it that way is because we're basically three
years ahead right now, so we have a tremendous amount
of international touring that we're planning right now, Like our
goal next year in twenty twenty six is to do
all seven continents, and this year it takes a lot
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of time in preparation to do things like that, so
like we had to kind of it's actually been really
fun to do it this way.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
You started your story now with this new record.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Yeah, so it's like release released two songs that you
feel kind of shows both sides of the band, and
kind of let that get out there and let people
kind of hear what we're doing, and then when it's right,
we'll announce the record. But the announcement of the records
probably right around the corner, but I think it's we're
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shooting for an August release globally.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
You know.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
It's just we needed to do it a little differently
just because of all the planning of the touring and
then also just the international looks on everything.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
But the record of the record is ready.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Are you going to call it dance? Good dance?
Speaker 2 (20:04):
No, that's the thing We just we we don't know
exactly what we're gonna call it just yet. We've also
got some just some different ways that we want to
let people know there's some insight to the record.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
It's not us trying.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
To be clever or do something outside of the box
just for the sake of being different. But we want
this experience to be a bit more unique with the
audience because you know, we've got fans that have been
with us from the beginning, and then we've got people
that are just starting to find.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
Out to Shine Down is.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
So we have kind of a theory in the way
that we want to roll all of this out. And
also we're just trying to push the boundaries in regards
to songwriting and artistry and what people think.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
Shine Down is.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Hey, you know, I'm getting close. I have so many
questions for you, Brent. We're talking to Brent Smith a
Shineddown and I'm getting close to the end of my time.
I wanted to remind you everybody that you're up for
a couple of iHeart Awards rock Artists of the Year,
in Rock Song of the Year for a Symptom of
Being Human, which is a great song. To these awards,
(21:12):
it's nice to get, it's nice to be recognized, it's
you know, but the bottom line is they don't really
change who you are. You know, what's the meaning, what's
the level of pride? I mean, everyone's glad to get
an award. But at the end of the day, it's
the guy who buys your ticket, who buys your songs,
(21:33):
who's that's the reward, that's the award. But how do
you feel about these these trophies?
Speaker 3 (21:40):
Man?
Speaker 2 (21:40):
I gotta be honest with you, being specific about that
particular those two awards that we're up for from iHeart,
you know, for people that don't know a lot about
Shine Down and maybe don't know a lot about me,
like the radio built Shine Down and for those awards
to be nominated something like the iHeart Awards, those actually
(22:02):
mean a great deal to us just being nominated because
it focuses so much on the listener and the audience,
but terrestrial radio. So those particular awards, the iHeart Award
does mean a lot to us because iHeart has been
a champion of this band really from Jump Street. So yeah, man,
(22:23):
it's cool to get nominated for these things. And anytime
you get nominated for award, I do see how people
sometimes will you know, there's a knee jerk reaction to
it because the cool thing is to say that you
don't care about these awards or what have you. I'm
gonna be honest with you. I know, people might say
they don't care, but they care. They care. When they
get nominated for something, it's you're being recognized, whether you
(22:45):
win or not, You're.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
Being recognized for your art. But I will say this.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Also, we never walk into a studio or a writing
session and write the songs because we want to win
a trophy. We're writing the song. We're writing the songs
because we have something to say. And I think that
the acknowledgment and maybe the recognition of just saying, hey,
what you did, hopefully it moved people and it made
(23:15):
people like this band. In our songwriting, we always want
to give people their confidence and we want to showcase
the human condition. I mean, being nominated, you know, rock
Song of the Year for a symptom of being human.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
That song means a great deal to us. And you know,
if you're going to get nominated, you know, Rock Artists
of the Year, just to be in that category is something.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
That we take very seriously. I mean, look at the
look at the other bands that are nominated, right even
be on the to be you know, even just in
the same list is It's awesome.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
That's March seventeenth. On March seventeenth on Fox TV.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
Yeah, you can watch it and answer your question. Like
for iHeart Award, we definitely care.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Uh, you know, I know that you've guys never toured
with Ozzie, but you played rock Lahole with Ozzy. I
think back in twenty nineteen you were part of the lineup.
You ever meet Ozzie.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
I'm trying to remember if I don't know if we've
ever been.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
I mean, he might have been on one of the
two or three days of that, but.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
Like I can't recall ever like.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Being in the same place as Ozzy on like a
concert or a festival ground.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
It could have been.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
I was going to ask you, you know, he's wrapping
things up here on the fifth of July, what's your
favorite Black Sabbath Ozzie song?
Speaker 3 (24:32):
Man?
Speaker 2 (24:32):
I always was really partial to changes. Yeah, Like, I mean,
I think that's Sabbath if I'm not Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
Yeah, Tony Iomi wrote that when they were in southern
California and in that haunted mansion that they were living
in doing all that coke, he taught himself how to
play piano. He didn't know how to play piano up
until he wrote that song.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
Really, yeah, I never knew that. Yeah. The thing about
sabbath Is. I've always been a little bit more.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
My I know, people will talk about you know, paranoid
and some of the you know, but changes and Planet Caravan. Oh,
I mean great kind of yeah, that deep deep stuff, man,
is the thing that like kind of perks me up
when I hear those types of things, because you have
to put yourself back in time when those songs were
(25:23):
actually released and presented. You have to think about the
audience or the person listening to that on the radio
or getting that vinyl or what have you been hearing
something like that, because it it really.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
Was unique and original and a bit ahead of its
time in a lot of ways.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
Yeah, those first four records, there was nothing like it,
nothing like it out there. Yeah. Hey man, well I'm
looking forward to whatever you're gonna call. How about we
just use the working titled dance Kid Dance for the
full length? And I love this song, you know, before
I let you go, I have a couple of minutes,
let's talk about dance Kid Dance. I mean, it got
(25:59):
a great soul there. It's a really cool, poppy kind
of hard rock at times. You're using a lot of
different elements. Like you said, you wanted to showcase both
sides of the band, you know, a lot different than
three six five. How did the inspiration for Dance Kid
Dance come about?
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Well, I mean, I just remember that we had a
conversation about wanting to do something that had a lot
of and we use the word fever in the song.
We wanted something that I just remember being in the
studio saying, I want the track to be really really hot,
(26:39):
like I want.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
It to be. I don't want it to let up.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
I don't want it to have this kind of like
mid tempo verse that leads into a big core. Like
I just was like, let's do something that like out
of the gate, you're going to take the listener on
a ride and it's something like when the song ends
that you just want to hear it again. And the
other thing too, like the post chorus on things like that.
(27:03):
Those rhythms were really really important. The solo was really important,
although you know we'll labor over those parts, Like the
solo was kind of labored over all. The way to
go back to like the very first one, you go
through the exercise, but usually.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Let me do that again, time to do that again.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
Times out of ten Man whatever your first approach was
to something. Not all the time, but like usually the
first attempt is the one because you're not thinking about it,
you're just going. And Yeah, we just wanted something that
people could throw down and dance to. I mean literally,
we wanted to have something that from the Rocks side
(27:42):
of what we do. We wanted not only listeners because
we are a we're a multi format artist like we
do Ben Genres, we do, you know, we don't stay
in one particular lane. It's interesting people has said over
the years, especially in the last like two or three years,
of like is Shine Down a rock band or a
metal band? Or are they an alternative band? Are they
(28:04):
a pop band? And I just try to tell people
we're just Shine Down, Like we don't like subscribe to
any one thing. It just depends on when we go
into the room that day and the arc of what
we've already done to try and not copy any of that,
and to just it's you know, forward.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
Momentum is a big deal with us when it comes.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
To music and songs and everything, but dance get danced. Literally,
I mean what you hear is exactly what we wanted
to put out there lyrically, it goes down a lot
of deep different threads and what have you. But in
all honesty, we just wanted something when people heard it
for the first time that there was no mistaken that
(28:45):
we're still rock and roll to the bone and you
know it's a song that you can dance to and
just have a good time.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Well, it's huge. You know, it's going to be number
one in rock radio here I think next week for sure,
which is crazy.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
Man, Like, I think it's the fastest. I don't want
to jinx anything because it's not in there yet. We
won't jinx anything, believe me.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
I don't ever like.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
It's such a it's just an overwhelming amount of emotion
to think about, you know, going back twenty years ago
and where we are now, and we're looking We're proud
of the last twenty years. We're definitely looking towards the
next twenty.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
But how rock.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
Radio has embraced this band and an alternative radio too.
We don't ever take it for granted, and we don't
take for granted the program directors and the people that
play the music or or the fans.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
Like it's very very blessed to be where we are.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Well Gene Simmons has said that rock is dead again.
You got any response to that?
Speaker 2 (29:43):
You know what, Kiss took us out and we did.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
We did.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
We did almost thirty I think it was thirty five
shows in twenty thirteen. They took us and they took
us to Canada. We did their whole Canadian tour with them.
They were so cool, man, they were They literally were great.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
And Gene was great.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Man.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
I had two nose rings at the time.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
I've taken him out since every day Jane would see
me and he'd be like, you have something something in
your nose right here, like you know, do like the dad,
like Jean the Dad is.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
What they would call him out on the road.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
You know, look, man, I'm not Gene Simmons. And to
think about the guy, you know, the kind of life
he's led and is, and he's still very relevant a
lot of different things and really just a smart, smart guy, innovative,
like actually a really innovative bass player. And uh, because
(30:44):
people don't talk about that a lot of times, Like
the dude played everything like on those records and everything.
Like the guy was very really underrated bass player. But
at the same time, you know, I can't change his
mind about that idea of like rock being dead and
what have you. I don't necessarily agree with it, but
(31:05):
at the end of the day, he has the.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
Right to his opinion. Sure, you know, more power to him.
Well that's the way that he feels. I just don't.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
See that twenty years man, did you think that it
would last this long?
Speaker 3 (31:18):
I'm ready for the next twenty that's right.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
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