January 22, 2024 • 46 mins
In this episode, join Tina and Erin, as we unwrap the layers of Netflix's "You Are What You Eat" docu-series. We'll share our candid reactions—from Erin's vegan standpoint to my omnivorous leanings—and peel back the curtain on the show's scientific promises. We're not just here to recount; we're here to question, challenge, and ultimately find the golden nuggets of truth about what we put on our plates.
Our episode slices through the meaty debate on veganism, the environmental impact of our food choices, and the real-life challenges of building muscle sans animal products. It's a conversation brimming with personal takes, nutritional nuggets, and the occasional eye-roll at the pitfalls of dietary dogma.
As we simmer down to our final thoughts, we stir in the rich lessons gleaned from the world's Blue Zones, where longevity thrives on more than tofu and tempeh. We serve up encouragement to embrace a life spiced with fruits, veggies, and mindfulness, to nourish not just the body but the soul, without getting entangled in the latest dietary trends. So, tune in, grab a snack (preferably a carrot stick), and let's chew on the idea that maybe, just maybe, we are what we eat—but that's not all we are.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Hello, hello, hi.
Hi.
Erin is back with me today.
This is Tina and Erin, andthat's Erin who has been my
special guest.
Now, she's probably not thatspecial.
I mean, she's still special.
She's still special.
She's just filling in.
But we have these like reallycool topics we keep wanting to
(00:24):
talk about, so coaching andcocktails, a podcast that is
what you're listening to and weboth have just sat here in the
middle of snowstorms for thepast week.
So it's January 21st, I think.
I think this will go out onMonday.
We're at the 20th.
Oh, the 20th, yep, is it?
Oh shit, I've been putting the21st on everything today.
(00:46):
Whoops, today's January 20th,but it'll probably go out on
Monday.
Oh well, been a busy day, soyeah.
So we both decided we weretalking about some topics to
talk about, and neither of ushave actually shared how we feel
about it yet, so it'd beinteresting to see.
But there's so much a buzzcurrently going on about the
(01:09):
newest Netflix docu series onyou are what you eat, so we
thought we would talk a littlebit about it.
And Erin is a vegan and I amnot a vegan Not anti vegan, as I
say, but I would classifymyself.
People think I'm.
(01:30):
I'm sure vegans probably lookat me hatefully when I say this,
but I'm a vegan who likes toeat meat, which really just
means that means to me like itdoes, which really just means I
eat a well balanced diet.
I enjoy my my.
I enjoy getting my protein frommeat.
(01:52):
I enjoy meat, but I also enjoyeating heaps and heaps of
vegetables and fruits and allthe healthy things.
Yes, that makes sense.
Yeah, so in my mind I really am.
There are no labels on I justthat is how I like to get my my
micro and macro nutrients intomy body, yeah, yeah, so.
(02:12):
So if you haven't watched theNetflix series, you are what.
You eat it I, so I'll say I'llgive you my first impression.
When I saw it pop up in myhere's what you should watch on
Netflix, I don't even think Ihad seen other people.
Oh wait, I did have a clientmention it to me.
That's right.
I had a client mention it to meand I was like, okay, I'll go
(02:32):
check it out.
She hadn't finished watching ityet, so she didn't give me any
opinions on it.
I happened to have like a Sundaywhere I was doing absolutely
nothing, so I I think I sat andbeen watched all four in like
one day.
I was in the first episode,maybe in like the at least the
first half of that first episode.
(02:53):
I was so excited for this.
I was like this is the cooleststudy ever and I was so excited
because finally and wait, butthis is my thought thoughts in
the first episode Finallysomebody's going to give a quote
, unquote, unbiased opinion.
We're just going to look atsome scientific shit about these
(03:14):
twins Such a cool idea to study, you know, genetically
identical twins, yeah.
And we're just going to see thescience about what happens to
all of these health markers witha vegan diet and what happens
with all these health markerswith an omnivore diet.
And I was like so cool.
And then the rest of the serieshappened, yeah.
(03:37):
And then I went God damn it.
I was like I'm not, it is justlike every other series.
I got excited, right, whetherit was the magic pill or the
kind of I can't even think ofthe names of all the other ones,
but being changers what?
Speaker 2 (03:53):
the hell yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Yes, yes, so you know all of them.
So anyway, long story short, itended up, in my opinion, just
like those and I wasdisappointed in the end.
But what was your initialimpression without giving away
all the other stuff?
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Right.
So I was the same boat as youand, as a vegan, I was really
excited just to see the datathat was presented.
Like and I will say like, evenif they said everything's better
with me eating and stuff,that's not going to change my
mind, like you know, it's alittle study there but I was so
excited because, yeah, I wantedto see all those data markers,
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like the exercise, what they'reeating, how much they're eating
when they're eating, stress,sleep, all that kind of stuff.
And I was like with twins,that's going to be great, like
you will definitely get somegood data.
And then, yeah, then it startedplaying and then I was like,
wait a minute, this is like adocumentary about going vegan
(04:54):
and all the benefits of it andall, like you know the animal
cruelty and the things that areyou know all that kind of stuff.
And I was like, wait a minute,I thought it was about this
study and it really focused onthe dairy industry and the meat
industry and all the fucked upthings that it was.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
It became bashing this.
You know huge portion ofagriculture in our country.
Yeah, right and so which isunfortunately what ended up
happening in a couple of theother of the documentaries right
.
So it was like and I knew itimmediately in the second
episode when they startedtalking about the pig farms and
(05:35):
showing all the you know peoplespraying manure onto other
people's houses.
And I'm not saying none ofthose things happen.
I'm not saying that any of theinformation in it was incorrect,
but it was just it became lessabout the data and more about
hyping up one and bashinganother Right Like the
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propaganda.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Like it's like Propaganda.
Yeah, it's it was, and ofcourse, as a vegan, I enjoyed it
, like the whole thing.
But if it was marketed as that,then I mean I still would have
watched it.
But I was.
I think everybody that I knewwas so like much more excited
about like the actual results ofthe study and all the things
(06:18):
they did with the study, andwhen it wasn't, we were just
kind of like, oh, like thatsucks, like we wanted to see
more in depth with the kit, withthe people and you know all
that kind of stuff.
So I think it really was notwhat I expected.
I ended it and I was just kindof like meh you know, it just
didn't it didn't hit me like Ithought it would.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Yeah, it really fizzled out in the end.
I think I think they had such agreat opportunity to present,
like, just unbiased data, butobviously that was not the
intent of it.
I mean, it was you know, it waspaid for by you know.
So, again, you know.
Just a just a side note anytimeyou're watching any documentary
anywhere, right, like,especially when it comes to
(07:03):
something about your health orhow you eat or whatever and
Netflix is famous for it becausethey do a lot of documentaries
like this you really have tohave some literacy about what
you're watching and, like lookat who's producing it, who's
funding it, what is it beingmarketed for, so that you can go
into it with eyes wide open andunderstand that this is very
(07:27):
not saying any of theinformation in it that was
presented was right or wrong,but that you have to look at how
it's skewed, right and andthat's just.
You know that just is what itis.
So you take the information forwhat it is like.
What was the one, what was theone on the keto diet?
Was that the magic pill?
I think that was the magic pill.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Yeah, I saw that a while ago.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Yeah, I don't even think I got to the end of that
one.
I think I got to the.
It may have all been in thefirst episode, maybe the second
episode, when they startedslathering lard on broccoli to
put in lard, I was like I'm done, yeah, there's nothing healthy
about this.
(08:08):
And then obviously that one wasdemonizing sugar and every with
carbs.
Yeah, I mean, it was quiteliterally.
If it had put like little devilhorns on the, on every carb it
talked about, like you wouldhave thought you were going
straight to hell if you atecarbs Exactly, but the lard on
the broccoli I was like.
But sadly, people will watchthose and a big problem with
(08:31):
where we are in the industry offitness and health and trying to
find the right way to eat orthe right way to do things, is
that people see that.
And then they have the scaretactics.
You have the scare tactics ofbe scared of carbs.
It's scare tactics.
Be scared of the meat becauseof the meat industry.
That's just something.
Watch them if you choose to.
(08:55):
But understand, then you haveto validate right.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
You got to verify and validate what you're looking at
.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
So what did you like about it?
So, as a vegan, what did youget out of it?
Did you learn anything new thatyou didn't know yourself?
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Honestly, not really.
I'm a big reader, I lovefinding articles and things, so
I knew a lot of the things andall the doctors and the people
on there.
I've read their studies andtheir articles and peer reviewed
things before so I knew wherethey were coming from.
There were a couple of thingsthat I was a little bit upset in
(09:41):
as far as how they did thestudy.
I investigated after I watchedit with the doctors that did the
study from Stanford and things,and they were like Netflix
definitely spun some things thatwe weren't expecting.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Oh, did they say that afterwards?
Speaker 2 (10:02):
So the stuff with the arousal, the sex stuff, that
was all Netflix.
And there was another thing Iforget what it was that was not
in our study.
Netflix sensationalized thatand said let's add this to the
study Exactly, and the originalstudy had 44 pairs of twins and
(10:25):
the Netflix only took eight,because the guy from Stanford
was like I would have loved todo the dexa scan thing where
they measured the fat and themuscle on everybody.
But we didn't have the money forthat because that thing is
expensive to use.
So Netflix only said well,let's just pick eight sets of
twins, and then we'll go fromthere and do all the things.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
So if you saw that there were.
I mean, there was a scene wherethey only focused on those four
sets of twins, but there was ascene where you saw all the
people yeah Right, there wasthis big group of people.
So they must have filmed thatat some point where it was
supposed to be, and then theyjust pared it down to the core
group.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Yeah, and that's what I get for a documentary.
But what I didn't like about itis how the food was handled.
So, right off the bat, like thefirst four weeks, the I'm going
to say contestants the peoplegot prepackaged meals from a
(11:30):
vegan company called I thinkit's veg nutrition or something.
And again, I don't know whatwas in any of these meals and I
don't like pre-mean meals anyway, because we all know like a lot
of them are filled with stuffthat we probably shouldn't be
eating.
And so I was kind of like okay,why would they give them these
(11:51):
like little meals?
I don't know, I didn't likethat.
And then after that they'relike okay, you're on your own,
go ahead and shop as a vegan Ifyou've never been a vegan, go
ahead.
And then like they just allthey bought was junk food, like
they didn't buy things that werehealthy.
And I because the one ladybought vegan cookies she's like,
(12:13):
oh, these are vegan, I'm justgoing to buy these.
And I'm like you're not goingto lose weight eating these kind
of cookies and stuff.
And then they just let them gokind of loose and didn't give
them I don't think they gavethem like some guidelines or
anything and it kind of just Idon't know.
I didn't like that part of itand I also didn't like the
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exercise because there was theone set of twins, the two men
who one of them was in the gymevery day lifting weights, and
the other twin he was likemoving or something all the time
, so he didn't get to the gym,he would just do like at home
exercises with his son and noteven work out really, and he was
(12:56):
the vegan one.
So it kind of skewed that datatoo, because yeah, of course, if
you're not going to the gym andlifting weights, you're not
going to build any muscle.
So I don't know, the data wasjust kind of all over the place
for me and I didn't sit well, soI think I wish they would have
like been a little bit more.
You know, this is what you'regoing to eat.
(13:18):
We're going to measure this.
You were going to exercise.
Exactly like this one.
It's saying you know everythingthe same except for the food.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Yeah, I mean, if they had done the study in a,
contained it, just it reallybecame.
And again, like when I firstwas like, okay, well, at least
the pre-packaged meals, ifthat's all they're eating, it's
the.
You know, there's a little bitmore control in that study.
Yeah, you're, regardless of thekind of food they were eating,
but but then it was just a freefor all and we don't know, and
(13:49):
we don't know how diligent theywere on staying vegan or not
staying vegan.
We don't know how, you know,because a couple of the people
admitted that late, you know,weren't able to like, do it 100%
.
Or the two women who were chefs, right, yeah, having a catering
company, right, no way.
They may not have shown it inthe series, but there's no way.
(14:09):
She wasn't the vegan, onewasn't.
Taste testing, exactly.
You can't do that as a chef,exactly.
And then, of course, you're not, you know.
And then, as we, as we know, ifwe're just, if we're talking
about it, we're that was notfocused on fat loss necessarily,
but if you're talking about it,like from your caloric intake
too, then you are gettingcalories and all of that.
(14:29):
So I had a problem with how sortof the controls of the study.
So, again, you know, looking atthat, you know, from a literacy
standpoint, when you're lookingat any studies you really got to
look at like, unless they werein a lab and everybody was doing
exact the exact same physicalact, or each twin at least was
doing the exact same type ofphysical activity.
(14:50):
I would have liked to have seenit be, because what we don't
know right, so between the veganand the omnivore, where the
calories controlled, the sameright, like I would have liked
to have seen it.
So what would have made it, youknow, in my eyes, more, more
legitimate, at least from ascience perspective, is exact
(15:13):
same amount of calories, exactsame amount of protein, exact
same amount of everything.
Just vegan and omnivore, right?
So you're getting all yourprotein from vegan sources or
you're getting all your proteinfrom, you know, meat sources.
Whatever the case may be, Ithink that would have been, that
would have given us.
So if anybody's out there to dothis kind of study, that's what
(15:33):
needs to be done right.
But then it also needs to be ina more controlled situation so
we really can see those healthmarkers and, yes, they should be
looking at.
I love that they did the DEXAscans.
I love that they showed, youknow, lean muscle mass gained or
lost, you know, and thevisceral fat right.
(15:54):
So I think that that's reallyimportant because we're not just
talking about, like, losingweight.
But I think yeah, I'm with youit wasn't just the control of
the food, it was just thecontrol of the whole study was
all over the place.
Yeah, so there was.
You can't really legitimize anyof the data, right, in my
opinion.
Right, no-transcript.
(16:16):
Was there anything you likedabout it, other than the fact it
was pro vegan?
Speaker 2 (16:28):
I like the idea of it and I think the one doctor said
that he's going apparently thehis original study isn't done
yet, like he's still working onit.
So but he did like after, youknow, people kind of wrote in or
like talked him about like whatthey thought about it.
They they agreed with whatwe're saying.
They're like it wasn't acontrol, like it, it wasn't
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exactly the same.
You can't measure.
You know the variablescorrectly If one's doing one
thing and the other one's doingsomething completely different.
So I think what he's going to dowith that is build it and then
make it a study where, okay,yeah, everything is the same.
So I'm really looking forwardto that when that comes out.
Yeah, as he agreed, he's likeyeah, and it just it didn't go
(17:16):
the way that they wanted it togo.
So but I mean, I liked, let'ssee, I did like.
I did like the things that theykind of plugged in of you know,
this is what the meat industryis and stuff again.
But as a vegan, like, yeah, ofcourse I'm going to like that.
(17:38):
I didn't like how long they didit, like they would have done
like snippets of things orsomething, but then also
something that's pro carnivorediet or something you know kind
of balance it Well that, butthat's the thing.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Right, it wasn't a balance Right.
So you know, not to mention, Imean you know they'd mentioned
nothing about how theagriculture of you know, farming
all the other products thataren't meat products, right,
like it's not without its owncost, right, it's not like it's
(18:13):
all good.
And the meat market, you know,agriculture is all bad, like
it's there.
There's downsides to both, butthey gave zero downside to the
agriculture part of the vegan.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
But I did like how, at the end, I feel like the
consensus was eat more plantfoods.
You can still have meat, youcan still have your cheese, you
can still have that kind ofstuff, just limited, maybe,
portion it a little bit less, or, you know, make sure your plate
is full of veggies and fruitsand things and then have like a
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however many ounces of meat withit or whatever.
And I think everybody that wasin the study kind of went for
that, whether it was the veganside or not.
Like I don't even know if someof the people that went vegan or
were like, yeah, I want tocontinue it, I don't know.
But I know that overall, thetheme was eat more plants, which
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was totally great with me and Iliked that.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
So yes, and also with me being a meat loving, you
know, a meat lover for life.
So you know I always strugglebecause I, you know I do
understand the detriment of alot of the meat and farming
industry.
I get that I'm not at a, youknow, I'm not at a place in my
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life where I'm willing to put inthe effort to get enough
protein from vegan foods.
I'm just not right.
So for me, yes, admittedly, itis just much easier for me I
enjoy meat and it is easier forme to get my protein from me,
and I want to talk to you aboutthat kind of separately when
we're done talking about theshow.
But you know the protein aspectof it, cause obviously a lot of
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people that listen to this are,you know, bodybuilding in it to
build lean muscle mass, right?
So this is a critical componentto it, right?
Is it possible to do it as avegan?
Absolutely.
What they, what I really kindof got upset about at the end is
I feel like they really glossedover the issues with muscle
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loss and stuff.
Now, granted, again, it wasn'ta controlled study, so the
people weren't doing the sameworkouts and stuff, but there
was muscle loss in several ofthe people so, whether their
workouts just weren't as strongas the other, as the omnivore
person.
But they glossed over that andit was like, oh, and there was
this, right.
So it was like all the goodstuff and none of the okay, but
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what about the bad stuff?
So there was never a downsideput to that.
So I and I do think that in myopinion, that is so I am pro
fill your plate with veggies.
Every client I've ever workedwith anybody I've ever talked to
fill your plant, eatplant-based foods, right.
Eat plants, eat plants, notplant-based foods, just eat the
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fucking plants, right?
Like, eat the shit that comesout of the ground, yeah Right.
So you know, eat the nuts, eatthe seeds, eat the fruits, eat
the vegetables like, thosethings are healthy.
There is, there's no reason notto eat those things.
When it comes to protein, that'swhen I get a little iffy,
because if you want to buildlean muscle mass, you do have to
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have sufficient protein, andstudies do show that vegans not
only need as much I'm gonna wordthis wrong.
We all I always say to be to be, without getting really
technical on it, like a poundper a pound, a gram of protein
per pound of just say, let's say, body weight.
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We're talking about youraverage weighted person.
If you're obese, you don't need, you know, 300 pounds, 300
grams protein.
But to keep it simple, right,so I'm 120 pounds, I should get
at least 120 grams protein a day.
If you're vegan, just getting120 grams of protein a day from
plant sources is actually notenough because of some of the
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missing amino acids, right?
So there, you may need morethan one gram per pound of your
body weight to get enough of theessential amino acids that your
body can't produce on its ownand you're not able to get out
of lysine, in particular,because it's just not something
you can get from plant foods orfrom most plant foods, so
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plant-based protein.
So that comes from me.
So there is.
When it comes to being a veganand getting enough protein there
, it does make it a lot morecomplicated.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
It does yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
So I think that they it's not impossible.
There are certainly plenty ofvegan bodies, builders out there
.
I am not saying it's notpossible, right, Like it is
possible to gain muscle and itis possible to do all the things
.
But understanding that it is,in my opinion, harder to do.
(23:10):
I'm sure once you get therethen it's no longer as hard, but
it's harder to do.
I'm not willing to do it.
So instead I get my proteinfrom animal, from animal
products, but non-processedanimal products, right.
So I'm still very pronon-processed foods and I'll say
(23:32):
the same.
You and I have had thisconversation about like the
vegan foods and stuff.
Like I can't with the beyondmeats and stuff.
I just that's not.
I, yeah, I just can't.
So so you know, yeah, all ofthat is plant material, but
there are like 2000 ingredientsin that thing.
Like, um, right, like I'm justlike eat basic food.
(23:57):
So for me it's, yes, give me mybasic plants, give me my basic
meats and then really like mybasic fats if it's not coming
from my meats.
So my biggest problem, comingat it from an athletic
perspective, coming at it from abodybuilder's perspective, the
protein part, the muscle part,was really glossed over.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
So understanding that if somebody wants, to go vegan.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Right, it is a challenge, yeah.
So I am curious, you know, ifyou could share from your
perspective how you managed toget enough.
I know you're not reallytracking your macros anymore,
but you were right when you werecompeting.
So if you had to give somebodyadvice, that was like thinking
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they wanted to go vegan.
Like, what does it really take,you know, to get sufficient
protein from vegan foods?
Speaker 2 (24:50):
So that was the point where I was like I want another
coach because of the fact thatI knew it was gonna be harder
and with macros it's so you haveto.
It's like a wordle game, likeyou have to fit it Tetris, yeah.
Like you have to fit the thingsright, to get all the numbers as
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close to zero, or, you know,within five grams, five to 10
grams.
So me being somebody that's sotype A, I was trying to hit that
zero mark for like as close asI could every time.
And with things like tofu andtempeh and seitan the fat
content is higher.
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So the more I ate, the proteinis actually good, like the tofu
that I was getting had a lot ofprotein, but what came with that
was a little bit extra carbsand some more fat and that
always made me go over and thatfrustrated the hell out of me
because I was like how am Igoing to fit the fat, the carbs
(25:58):
and the protein without starvingmyself and just eating tofu?
I mean, and that's honestly,towards the end of my first or
my second prep, like that's whatI was doing, like my lunch was
literally some tofu and like Ithink I put kimchi on it because
I needed something you know.
So that was very hard,balancing all of that.
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The other thing is when you'recutting, it's also hard because,
yeah, you have to eat less, butthen you have to eat more.
Like it was so hard to navigate.
I mean, once I got the hang ofit.
It was totally fine.
I was in a groove, but forsomebody like just starting yeah
it's, you definitely have toeat a lot Like when I was in the
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calorie surplus when I was inmy growing season.
I was eating so much food Like Iwas eating a lot, which was
great, but sometimes I didn'twant to eat and I was like I
gotta eat this, whatever it waswhere I had to eat a little bit
extra tofu with this meal, thismeal and this meal, and I was so
full and I was like I don'twant to eat it but I have to.
(27:05):
So there was definitelystruggles there.
But again, it is doable.
You just have to want it andyou can get through it.
But yeah, definitely hard.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Yeah, I mean, and again, because plant proteins
are not majority of them are notjust complete proteins but are
missing on some of the aminoacids that you simply cannot get
from them right, like you canonly get or you're not going to
get it as much.
I know Lane Norton.
I actually didn't actually goback and read the study, but I
(27:40):
watched a little blip from LaneNorton he was talking about.
I actually really I've knownLane for do you ever?
I don't know, do you ever?
Do you know who Lane Norton is?
So he's a PhD.
He used to be a bodybuilder.
He does powerlifting now he andI competed together.
I mean like we were on thecompetition circuit together a
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million years ago.
He's Dr Lane Norton now.
He's got a real interestingpersonality like he's kind of
like in your face with his data.
So I think he's a littleoff-putting to people.
But honestly I really when hehe just does little shorts and
clips in YouTube.
So you look him up.
He's got some good stuff outthere.
But he really does give studiesand it is like here's this and
(28:24):
here's this, right, like cause,he talked about vegan.
He was like I'm not bad mouthedvegan, but this is the truth of
the fact you can't get all your.
You know the amino acids thatyou need, and he's talked about
nitrogen balance, which issomething I hadn't like really
even considered, and so we kindof got into that and I sent it
to a couple of my other veganclients and I was like this is
just something for you toconsider when you're looking at
(28:44):
your the types of proteinsyou're putting in your diet and
how.
That was the first time I heardlike you really need more
protein as a vegan in order toget all the things that you need
, Cause you cannot get it fromjust the same amount that a meat
protein person would get, causeyou're not getting all the
things you need to for themuscle balance and stuff Anyway.
(29:06):
So you might want to check thatout.
I don't know where I was goingwith that.
Forget where I was going withthat when I brought that whole
thing up with Lane and I gotwent off on a tangent about Lane
Shit.
What was I talking about?
I know we were talking aboutprotein.
This is what happens.
It's the end of the day, it'sfour o'clock and I had clients
all day.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
Yeah, you were just saying how like you get your
complete protein from the meatand something else in there, I
don't know I.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
Oh, another thing, I lost my train of thought, but
another point I wanted to bringup because I have investigated a
time or two about, like youknow, could I?
Could I just try it, like Idon't?
I love protein, I love my meat,but I don't need quite as much.
I'm not doing super heavylifting and stuff Like if I can
just maintain, like you know,but could I do?
(29:56):
So?
Here's some other issues thatpeople might run into.
So if you're somebody with likeceliac or gluten intolerant,
like you can't eat satan, right,cause that you're going to have
an issue.
So that's a huge protein Causethat there's so much protein in
that, like that's another issue.
So there are things you have toconsider.
(30:17):
I actually have a lot of issuessurrounding, um, you know, I
can't do a lot of high FODMAPfoods, so that eliminates like
legumes and it eliminates somany vegetables, right, and so
so many things.
So for me to be able I mean Iwould be so limited in a vegan
diet with what didn't try tokill my, my digestive system,
(30:42):
right?
So for me, there are otherlimitations aside from the fact
that I just I just like me.
There are things in a vegan dietthat I could not do without
suffering, you know, some prettysevere consequences in terms of
my digestion, right, yeah, um,you know probably things I could
work through if I really wantedto, but again, I'm lazy and I
(31:04):
don't really want to do that.
So, um, I'm not, I'm kind ofsetting my ways and I don't need
to Um, but yeah, so I don'tknow.
Was there anything else?
Um, I just wanted to make thatpoint about the protein, because
I do know a lot of people thatlisten to this are um, into
bodybuilding, into gainingmuscle.
So it is something.
Before you go, you know,leaping onto the, the vegan
(31:28):
bandwagon, understand that it ismore difficult, it can be done,
but it takes a whole lot moreum calculating to like fit all
those things in.
And and also, for the record, I, I, I helped you not be
completely neurotic about it,cause I was like it's okay, erin
, if you go over on some ofthese other things like it's
(31:49):
totally fine.
You are doing fine yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
We've had a couple of video calls where you were
literally talking me off theledge cause I was like what?
Speaker 1 (31:55):
am I doing?
I don't know.
I was like, let it be like andand again like I.
I don't have to worry about youbeing that meticulous because I
know how clean your diet isRight, Like you're getting your
calories and you're hitting yourprotein.
So if you go a little over onyour carbs, a little under on
your fat or whatever, the casemay be right.
So that was very clientdependent and that worked for
(32:17):
you.
Yeah, Um, yeah, but again, youknow, because you already had
yourself in such a good place,so that worked.
Um, I had another point I wasgoing to make.
This is going to be a greatpodcast.
I can't remember what?
Speaker 2 (32:38):
the last one, where Tina forgets everything she
wants to say?
Speaker 1 (32:43):
I have so many more things to say, I don't know how
to say the many more.
Um, yeah, so my, what I want,how I want people to eat, is
whatever works for them.
I am not pro anything.
I am pro.
I am pro.
Get enough protein for leanmuscle building.
That is important.
Um, besides, lean musclebuilding, protein is literally,
(33:06):
like the, the, the best macronutrient.
To me, it's the king of allmacro nutrients.
Right, like it, it does all thewonderful things for your body.
You want to burn more calories.
Eat more protein.
Why?
Cause the thermic effect of the.
Just eating protein burns morecalories, right.
You want to gain muscle?
More isn't necessarily better,but eat enough protein.
Right, like these are like allthe things that are really more
(33:28):
satiating.
Um, you know all the thingsthat you need protein for.
And make sure you build yourplate with lots of fruits and
vegetables, right, veryimportant.
And plant based fats are great,right, like you know avocados
and oils and you know thingslike that.
So I am pro.
Eat all your vegetables.
Eat like a vegan omnivore,omnivore, omnivore, omnivorous,
(33:52):
vegan.
Is that a thing?
You know?
What?
Can I create a new?
Can I just create?
Speaker 2 (33:58):
a new trade market like labels.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
Since everybody has to fucking label everything, I'm
just going to.
We're going to create a newdiet that's called the
omnivorous vegan Okay, or thevegan omnivore.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
I like it, we're doing it.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
So that's our new thing.
That's how everybody should eat.
Okay, yeah, that works right.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
I mean I guess we should have started with we're
not telling you to go vegan.
We're not telling you if you'revegan, you have to eat meat.
No, we're just giving our ownopinion about it.
But I feel like both of us kindof were similar.
Like I told Tina, before westarted, I was like I think you
and I are going to have a lot ofsimilar like similar things
that we agree with and we didn'tlike about it.
(34:47):
Then we thought we would.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
So yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
But I would say, watch the show.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
Watch it and form your own opinions, but don't
watch it blindly.
Right, understand what it'sbeing marketed for.
The other thing I'll mention,and I don't know if you've seen
this one have you seen BlueZones?
I'm, that's on my list.
That's really good.
Now I haven't gotten all theway, all the way to the end, so
who knows?
I don't think I watched thelast episode, so they might
(35:13):
surprise me at the end and Imight find out.
It's all a bunch of horse hooeyanyway.
But what Blue Zones is about.
I think they even mentionedBlue Zone.
They mentioned Blue Zones inthis documentary because it's
another one on Netflix, but theywere talking about it in terms
of what?
Blue Zones are, not thedocumentary, right?
So what it is is the study ofthese Blue Zones in the, these
(35:35):
areas of the world where peoplelive well into their hundreds,
and it's these tiny littlecommunities of people.
They're called Blue Zones.
So they went in and they kindof studied what is the culture
of these people, what are what?
And it's not just about whatthey're eating, it's about their
movement, it's their whole,their lifestyle, right?
(35:56):
So it's a whole lifestyle.
So they look at the social,they look at the environmental,
they look at the nutritional,they look at movement, they look
at exercise, they look atspiritual.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
I was about to say, mind like definitely talking
about that.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
So it's all it's very mind, body and it's very cool
because not all the cult thereis, like there were some
cultures that were primarilyvegetarian, vegan, but there
were some that were not rightand so, and so it to me that one
felt a whole lot more balancedin that it wasn't just
(36:32):
specifically saying, well, youhave to eat all vegetables, or
you have to eat keto, or youdon't eat bread.
Like there was one I forgetwhat area of the world it was,
but man, these people ate bread,like it was going out of
sourdough bread, mind you, butit was like that was like the
main part of their meal.
Right, it was like bread andthese people are living to.
Like.
But you have to look at allthese other factors.
(36:53):
Right, it comes down tolifestyle, and that's why I
thought this was really cool,because they are talking about
these.
In every blue zone, people wereactive and moving, and every
blue zone they were not livingon social media and on their
phones I mean, they didn't haveit, but right so they were
growing their own foods, theywere out gardening until they
(37:15):
were like 120 years old.
They had a social community.
Right so it was community.
Some of them were religion orspirituality based, so there was
one, I think it was the onethat was in the United States
they actually the Seventh Day.
Adventist, but it's.
I forget the name of the actualtown in California because they
(37:38):
did mention this one in the UR,which they mentioned that blue
zone, because it's literally onone side of the highway.
You have this group of peopleand on this side of the highway
it's like everybody's dying intheir fifties, right?
So it's like you're talkingabout people that live 20, 30
miles from each other and thisgroup of people is living 10
(38:00):
times longer than this group ofpeople.
So I think that those are thekinds of things that are so much
more important than only eatingvegan or only eating omnivore,
or because it is about, in allof the communities, regardless
of what they were eating, it waswhole foods, right.
(38:22):
So whether it was vegetables ormeats or bread or whatever
they're making the room bread,it was whole foods.
We're not eating all thisprocess junk, regardless of what
it is sleep, stress management,movement, community
spirituality that's what washelping these people live to 120
(38:43):
years old.
Yeah, that's a cool one Allright, that's.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
That's my list.
I didn't even think aboutwatching that before.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
I mean, it was something that just kind of
caught my eye and I was, youknow, because I was really the
older I get, the more I get intolike longevity, like, really,
what is the secret to longevity,like you know, do I really want
to live on this planet another50 years or not?
And if I do, like what's thatgoing to look like?
But yeah, so I think those arethe kinds of things and to me,
(39:12):
that's those are the importantfactors, right, you don't.
I don't like boxes and I don'tlike labels.
I don't like labels on boxes,right, I don't.
You want to eat keto and callyourself a keto.
You want to eat vegan, callyourself a vegan.
You want to eat.
You want to call yourself.
You want to say you're neverdrinking again.
You're going to say you'reeating only meat, paleo,
(39:38):
whatever you know.
Like the labels, right, I'm across fitter, I'm a runner, I'm
a.
This, I'm a that.
It comes down to balancing yourlife with what, with with
healthy things.
Right, it's, and it's all thosethings.
It is eating nutritious foods,whole, unprocessed foods, as
(40:00):
much as you can eat the fuckingpizza Sometimes, if you want to,
nobody cares.
Right, like so again, when youdon't slap labels on yourself
about what you are and who youare.
You have the freedom to do whatyou want, and then there's no
guilt or shame with doing thosethings, right.
And then, because those are thethings that get us in trouble,
right, it's the guilt and theshame.
And when you put labels on,then suddenly you're boxed in
(40:21):
with these rules, and rules arewhat cause those problems.
Yeah, yeah.
So if we're just eating like welove ourselves, if we're just
eating in a way that you knowwill help us live longer lives
and healthier lives and behealthier people, that's what
you do and it's there.
Whether you're vegan orotherwise, it's all the same.
(40:43):
Get whole foods, unprocessedfoods, right.
Eat enough protein.
Don't eat too many calories.
Move your ass, get enough sleep.
Drink your fucking watermeditate go hang out with your
friends, meditate, you know, andjust don't suck, don't be a
(41:08):
shitty human.
It's easy.
Yeah, you heard it here firstpeople Don't suck.
And you too will live a nicelong life, and I am available to
coach you on how not to be ashitty human if you would like.
But that's why our slogan at theend is like don't get wet use
your head and it'll all be okay,because really, it's just like
(41:28):
can we stop making everything sofucking complicated?
Yes, I have had thisconversation with several women
lately because I feel like wefall women fall prey to this
again the fitness industry andall this bullshit that we talked
about before.
Listen, we are born knowingexactly how to eat and sleep and
(41:56):
poop.
We cry when we're hungry.
Babies, right, like this isinnate.
Right, like we know what to do.
Right, we cry when we're hungry.
We cry when we're uncomfortable.
We stop eating when we're full.
From the minute we're born, allof that is learned out of us.
(42:19):
We are trained otherwise, right, so we're getting back to this
place.
When I'm trying to help thewomen I work with do
bodybuilding aside, right, thelifestyle people that I work
with, and even the bodybuildersis we got to get back to a place
that we knew how to fucking dothe minute we came out of the
womb, right, and we have thesociety, culture, our parents,
(42:45):
our lifestyles.
Whatever we're exposed tothroughout our lives is what's
fucked us up, and now we got toall and fuck it all, but it's
there, right, like to stopeating when you're not hungry.
Eat when you're hungry, don'teat when you're not hungry.
Babies drink breast milk orformula right, Like they're not.
(43:06):
We're not giving them all thiscrap, like we know, right?
So we sleep over tired, we crywhen we're sick right, it's just
like, and it's just like wehave to get back to that place,
but also remembering so, withthese documentaries and with
everything else that's out there, there is a bazillion dollar
(43:26):
industry that goes broke theminute.
Every woman in this countryfeels good about themselves.
Speaker 2 (43:33):
Oh yes, oh my God, yes.
Speaker 1 (43:35):
Period.
Keep that in mind.
Right it is.
Everything is directed atmaking sure we never feel like
we're enough.
So, vegan, not enough, I gottado something else right.
Paleo nope, not enough, gottado something else right.
It's just like, whatever it is,it's never enough.
So but keep in mind that thatis, keep your eyes wide open and
(44:00):
understand that that's.
It's all stacked against us onpurpose for people to make money
yeah that's all it is.
Speaker 2 (44:09):
Is the money making?
Speaker 1 (44:09):
Yeah, so you have to figure out what works for you,
exactly right when it comes downto it.
And don't suck that's my newmotto.
Just don't suck, it's easy.
Did you have anything else youwanted to add about the
documentary, or about beingvegan or protein or anything
(44:31):
else that you think is reallyimportant?
No, I just like I said earlier.
Speaker 2 (44:37):
just, I feel like the whole theme of us two talking
and the documentary andeverything I think is just eat
more whole foods and plant-basedfoods.
You can have your meat, you canhave your fish, you can have
all the things too, but makesure that you get enough of the
vegetables and fruits in yourdiet, and that's gonna be so
(44:57):
much better than packing yourplate full of junk food and
processed foods.
Like we all can agree thatprocessed foods are not healthy.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
Yes, so, and they're okay in moderation, right, yeah,
eat that stuff in moderation.
But really the majority of yourlife should be spent treating
your body like you give a shitright so that you can.
There is no study that saysthat's not the healthy way to
eat.
Exactly, it doesn't matter whatlabel you want to slap on it,
(45:31):
that's what you need, yeah,right.
So with that, since I don'tthink we have anything else to
say and I think I've completelylost any ability to speak on any
topics further, we're going tosay don't get weird, use your
head, it will all be okay, anddon't suck.
And don't suck.
Bye, bye.
Hello, hello, hi.
Hi.
Erin is back with me today.
This is Tina and Erin, andthat's Erin who has been my
special guest.
Now, she's probably not thatspecial.
I mean, she's still special.
She's still special.
She's just filling in.
But we have these like reallycool topics we keep wanting to
(00:24):
talk about, so coaching andcocktails, a podcast that is
what you're listening to and weboth have just sat here in the
middle of snowstorms for thepast week.
So it's January 21st, I think.
I think this will go out onMonday.
We're at the 20th.
Oh, the 20th, yep, is it?
Oh shit, I've been putting the21st on everything today.
(00:46):
Whoops, today's January 20th,but it'll probably go out on
Monday.
Oh well, been a busy day, soyeah.
So we both decided we weretalking about some topics to
talk about, and neither of ushave actually shared how we feel
about it yet, so it'd beinteresting to see.
But there's so much a buzzcurrently going on about the
(01:09):
newest Netflix docu series onyou are what you eat, so we
thought we would talk a littlebit about it.
And Erin is a vegan and I amnot a vegan Not anti vegan, as I
say, but I would classifymyself.
People think I'm.
(01:30):
I'm sure vegans probably lookat me hatefully when I say this,
but I'm a vegan who likes toeat meat, which really just
means that means to me like itdoes, which really just means I
eat a well balanced diet.
I enjoy my my.
I enjoy getting my protein frommeat.
(01:52):
I enjoy meat, but I also enjoyeating heaps and heaps of
vegetables and fruits and allthe healthy things.
Yes, that makes sense.
Yeah, so in my mind I really am.
There are no labels on I justthat is how I like to get my my
micro and macro nutrients intomy body, yeah, yeah, so.
(02:12):
So if you haven't watched theNetflix series, you are what.
You eat it I, so I'll say I'llgive you my first impression.
When I saw it pop up in myhere's what you should watch on
Netflix, I don't even think Ihad seen other people.
Oh wait, I did have a clientmention it to me.
That's right.
I had a client mention it to meand I was like, okay, I'll go
(02:32):
check it out.
She hadn't finished watching ityet, so she didn't give me any
opinions on it.
I happened to have like a Sundaywhere I was doing absolutely
nothing, so I I think I sat andbeen watched all four in like
one day.
I was in the first episode,maybe in like the at least the
first half of that first episode.
(02:53):
I was so excited for this.
I was like this is the cooleststudy ever and I was so excited
because finally and wait, butthis is my thought thoughts in
the first episode Finallysomebody's going to give a quote
, unquote, unbiased opinion.
We're just going to look atsome scientific shit about these
(03:14):
twins Such a cool idea to study, you know, genetically
identical twins, yeah.
And we're just going to see thescience about what happens to
all of these health markers witha vegan diet and what happens
with all these health markerswith an omnivore diet.
And I was like so cool.
And then the rest of the serieshappened, yeah.
(03:37):
And then I went God damn it.
I was like I'm not, it is justlike every other series.
I got excited, right, whetherit was the magic pill or the
kind of I can't even think ofthe names of all the other ones,
but being changers what?
Speaker 2 (03:53):
the hell yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Yes, yes, so you know all of them.
So anyway, long story short, itended up, in my opinion, just
like those and I wasdisappointed in the end.
But what was your initialimpression without giving away
all the other stuff?
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Right.
So I was the same boat as youand, as a vegan, I was really
excited just to see the datathat was presented.
Like and I will say like, evenif they said everything's better
with me eating and stuff,that's not going to change my
mind, like you know, it's alittle study there but I was so
excited because, yeah, I wantedto see all those data markers,
(04:33):
like the exercise, what they'reeating, how much they're eating
when they're eating, stress,sleep, all that kind of stuff.
And I was like with twins,that's going to be great, like
you will definitely get somegood data.
And then, yeah, then it startedplaying and then I was like,
wait a minute, this is like adocumentary about going vegan
(04:54):
and all the benefits of it andall, like you know the animal
cruelty and the things that areyou know all that kind of stuff.
And I was like, wait a minute,I thought it was about this
study and it really focused onthe dairy industry and the meat
industry and all the fucked upthings that it was.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
It became bashing this.
You know huge portion ofagriculture in our country.
Yeah, right and so which isunfortunately what ended up
happening in a couple of theother of the documentaries right
.
So it was like and I knew itimmediately in the second
episode when they startedtalking about the pig farms and
(05:35):
showing all the you know peoplespraying manure onto other
people's houses.
And I'm not saying none ofthose things happen.
I'm not saying that any of theinformation in it was incorrect,
but it was just it became lessabout the data and more about
hyping up one and bashinganother Right Like the
(05:56):
propaganda.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Like it's like Propaganda.
Yeah, it's it was, and ofcourse, as a vegan, I enjoyed it
, like the whole thing.
But if it was marketed as that,then I mean I still would have
watched it.
But I was.
I think everybody that I knewwas so like much more excited
about like the actual results ofthe study and all the things
(06:18):
they did with the study, andwhen it wasn't, we were just
kind of like, oh, like thatsucks, like we wanted to see
more in depth with the kit, withthe people and you know all
that kind of stuff.
So I think it really was notwhat I expected.
I ended it and I was just kindof like meh you know, it just
didn't it didn't hit me like Ithought it would.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Yeah, it really fizzled out in the end.
I think I think they had such agreat opportunity to present,
like, just unbiased data, butobviously that was not the
intent of it.
I mean, it was you know, it waspaid for by you know.
So, again, you know.
Just a just a side note anytimeyou're watching any documentary
anywhere, right, like,especially when it comes to
(07:03):
something about your health orhow you eat or whatever and
Netflix is famous for it becausethey do a lot of documentaries
like this you really have tohave some literacy about what
you're watching and, like lookat who's producing it, who's
funding it, what is it beingmarketed for, so that you can go
into it with eyes wide open andunderstand that this is very
(07:27):
not saying any of theinformation in it that was
presented was right or wrong,but that you have to look at how
it's skewed, right and andthat's just.
You know that just is what itis.
So you take the information forwhat it is like.
What was the one, what was theone on the keto diet?
Was that the magic pill?
I think that was the magic pill.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Yeah, I saw that a while ago.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Yeah, I don't even think I got to the end of that
one.
I think I got to the.
It may have all been in thefirst episode, maybe the second
episode, when they startedslathering lard on broccoli to
put in lard, I was like I'm done, yeah, there's nothing healthy
about this.
(08:08):
And then obviously that one wasdemonizing sugar and every with
carbs.
Yeah, I mean, it was quiteliterally.
If it had put like little devilhorns on the, on every carb it
talked about, like you wouldhave thought you were going
straight to hell if you atecarbs Exactly, but the lard on
the broccoli I was like.
But sadly, people will watchthose and a big problem with
(08:31):
where we are in the industry offitness and health and trying to
find the right way to eat orthe right way to do things, is
that people see that.
And then they have the scaretactics.
You have the scare tactics ofbe scared of carbs.
It's scare tactics.
Be scared of the meat becauseof the meat industry.
That's just something.
Watch them if you choose to.
(08:55):
But understand, then you haveto validate right.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
You got to verify and validate what you're looking at
.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
So what did you like about it?
So, as a vegan, what did youget out of it?
Did you learn anything new thatyou didn't know yourself?
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Honestly, not really.
I'm a big reader, I lovefinding articles and things, so
I knew a lot of the things andall the doctors and the people
on there.
I've read their studies andtheir articles and peer reviewed
things before so I knew wherethey were coming from.
There were a couple of thingsthat I was a little bit upset in
(09:41):
as far as how they did thestudy.
I investigated after I watchedit with the doctors that did the
study from Stanford and things,and they were like Netflix
definitely spun some things thatwe weren't expecting.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Oh, did they say that afterwards?
Speaker 2 (10:02):
So the stuff with the arousal, the sex stuff, that
was all Netflix.
And there was another thing Iforget what it was that was not
in our study.
Netflix sensationalized thatand said let's add this to the
study Exactly, and the originalstudy had 44 pairs of twins and
(10:25):
the Netflix only took eight,because the guy from Stanford
was like I would have loved todo the dexa scan thing where
they measured the fat and themuscle on everybody.
But we didn't have the money forthat because that thing is
expensive to use.
So Netflix only said well,let's just pick eight sets of
twins, and then we'll go fromthere and do all the things.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
So if you saw that there were.
I mean, there was a scene wherethey only focused on those four
sets of twins, but there was ascene where you saw all the
people yeah Right, there wasthis big group of people.
So they must have filmed thatat some point where it was
supposed to be, and then theyjust pared it down to the core
group.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Yeah, and that's what I get for a documentary.
But what I didn't like about itis how the food was handled.
So, right off the bat, like thefirst four weeks, the I'm going
to say contestants the peoplegot prepackaged meals from a
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vegan company called I thinkit's veg nutrition or something.
And again, I don't know whatwas in any of these meals and I
don't like pre-mean meals anyway, because we all know like a lot
of them are filled with stuffthat we probably shouldn't be
eating.
And so I was kind of like okay,why would they give them these
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like little meals?
I don't know, I didn't likethat.
And then after that they'relike okay, you're on your own,
go ahead and shop as a vegan Ifyou've never been a vegan, go
ahead.
And then like they just allthey bought was junk food, like
they didn't buy things that werehealthy.
And I because the one ladybought vegan cookies she's like,
(12:13):
oh, these are vegan, I'm justgoing to buy these.
And I'm like you're not goingto lose weight eating these kind
of cookies and stuff.
And then they just let them gokind of loose and didn't give
them I don't think they gavethem like some guidelines or
anything and it kind of just Idon't know.
I didn't like that part of itand I also didn't like the
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exercise because there was theone set of twins, the two men
who one of them was in the gymevery day lifting weights, and
the other twin he was likemoving or something all the time
, so he didn't get to the gym,he would just do like at home
exercises with his son and noteven work out really, and he was
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the vegan one.
So it kind of skewed that datatoo, because yeah, of course, if
you're not going to the gym andlifting weights, you're not
going to build any muscle.
So I don't know, the data wasjust kind of all over the place
for me and I didn't sit well, soI think I wish they would have
like been a little bit more.
You know, this is what you'regoing to eat.
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We're going to measure this.
You were going to exercise.
Exactly like this one.
It's saying you know everythingthe same except for the food.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Yeah, I mean, if they had done the study in a,
contained it, just it reallybecame.
And again, like when I firstwas like, okay, well, at least
the pre-packaged meals, ifthat's all they're eating, it's
the.
You know, there's a little bitmore control in that study.
Yeah, you're, regardless of thekind of food they were eating,
but but then it was just a freefor all and we don't know, and
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we don't know how diligent theywere on staying vegan or not
staying vegan.
We don't know how, you know,because a couple of the people
admitted that late, you know,weren't able to like, do it 100%
.
Or the two women who were chefs, right, yeah, having a catering
company, right, no way.
They may not have shown it inthe series, but there's no way.
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She wasn't the vegan, onewasn't.
Taste testing, exactly.
You can't do that as a chef,exactly.
And then, of course, you're not, you know.
And then, as we, as we know, ifwe're just, if we're talking
about it, we're that was notfocused on fat loss necessarily,
but if you're talking about it,like from your caloric intake
too, then you are gettingcalories and all of that.
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So I had a problem with how sortof the controls of the study.
So, again, you know, looking atthat, you know, from a literacy
standpoint, when you're lookingat any studies you really got to
look at like, unless they werein a lab and everybody was doing
exact the exact same physicalact, or each twin at least was
doing the exact same type ofphysical activity.
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I would have liked to have seenit be, because what we don't
know right, so between the veganand the omnivore, where the
calories controlled, the sameright, like I would have liked
to have seen it.
So what would have made it, youknow, in my eyes, more, more
legitimate, at least from ascience perspective, is exact
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same amount of calories, exactsame amount of protein, exact
same amount of everything.
Just vegan and omnivore, right?
So you're getting all yourprotein from vegan sources or
you're getting all your proteinfrom, you know, meat sources.
Whatever the case may be, Ithink that would have been, that
would have given us.
So if anybody's out there to dothis kind of study, that's what
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needs to be done right.
But then it also needs to be ina more controlled situation so
we really can see those healthmarkers and, yes, they should be
looking at.
I love that they did the DEXAscans.
I love that they showed, youknow, lean muscle mass gained or
lost, you know, and thevisceral fat right.
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So I think that that's reallyimportant because we're not just
talking about, like, losingweight.
But I think yeah, I'm with youit wasn't just the control of
the food, it was just thecontrol of the whole study was
all over the place.
Yeah, so there was.
You can't really legitimize anyof the data, right, in my
opinion.
Right, no-transcript.
(16:16):
Was there anything you likedabout it, other than the fact it
was pro vegan?
Speaker 2 (16:28):
I like the idea of it and I think the one doctor said
that he's going apparently thehis original study isn't done
yet, like he's still working onit.
So but he did like after, youknow, people kind of wrote in or
like talked him about like whatthey thought about it.
They they agreed with whatwe're saying.
They're like it wasn't acontrol, like it, it wasn't
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exactly the same.
You can't measure.
You know the variablescorrectly If one's doing one
thing and the other one's doingsomething completely different.
So I think what he's going to dowith that is build it and then
make it a study where, okay,yeah, everything is the same.
So I'm really looking forwardto that when that comes out.
Yeah, as he agreed, he's likeyeah, and it just it didn't go
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the way that they wanted it togo.
So but I mean, I liked, let'ssee, I did like.
I did like the things that theykind of plugged in of you know,
this is what the meat industryis and stuff again.
But as a vegan, like, yeah, ofcourse I'm going to like that.
(17:38):
I didn't like how long they didit, like they would have done
like snippets of things orsomething, but then also
something that's pro carnivorediet or something you know kind
of balance it Well that, butthat's the thing.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Right, it wasn't a balance Right.
So you know, not to mention, Imean you know they'd mentioned
nothing about how theagriculture of you know, farming
all the other products thataren't meat products, right,
like it's not without its owncost, right, it's not like it's
(18:13):
all good.
And the meat market, you know,agriculture is all bad, like
it's there.
There's downsides to both, butthey gave zero downside to the
agriculture part of the vegan.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
But I did like how, at the end, I feel like the
consensus was eat more plantfoods.
You can still have meat, youcan still have your cheese, you
can still have that kind ofstuff, just limited, maybe,
portion it a little bit less, or, you know, make sure your plate
is full of veggies and fruitsand things and then have like a
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however many ounces of meat withit or whatever.
And I think everybody that wasin the study kind of went for
that, whether it was the veganside or not.
Like I don't even know if someof the people that went vegan or
were like, yeah, I want tocontinue it, I don't know.
But I know that overall, thetheme was eat more plants, which
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was totally great with me and Iliked that.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
So yes, and also with me being a meat loving, you
know, a meat lover for life.
So you know I always strugglebecause I, you know I do
understand the detriment of alot of the meat and farming
industry.
I get that I'm not at a, youknow, I'm not at a place in my
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life where I'm willing to put inthe effort to get enough
protein from vegan foods.
I'm just not right.
So for me, yes, admittedly, itis just much easier for me I
enjoy meat and it is easier forme to get my protein from me,
and I want to talk to you aboutthat kind of separately when
we're done talking about theshow.
But you know the protein aspectof it, cause obviously a lot of
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people that listen to this are,you know, bodybuilding in it to
build lean muscle mass, right?
So this is a critical componentto it, right?
Is it possible to do it as avegan?
Absolutely.
What they, what I really kindof got upset about at the end is
I feel like they really glossedover the issues with muscle
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loss and stuff.
Now, granted, again, it wasn'ta controlled study, so the
people weren't doing the sameworkouts and stuff, but there
was muscle loss in several ofthe people so, whether their
workouts just weren't as strongas the other, as the omnivore
person.
But they glossed over that andit was like, oh, and there was
this, right.
So it was like all the goodstuff and none of the okay, but
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what about the bad stuff?
So there was never a downsideput to that.
So I and I do think that in myopinion, that is so I am pro
fill your plate with veggies.
Every client I've ever workedwith anybody I've ever talked to
fill your plant, eatplant-based foods, right.
Eat plants, eat plants, notplant-based foods, just eat the
(21:07):
fucking plants, right?
Like, eat the shit that comesout of the ground, yeah Right.
So you know, eat the nuts, eatthe seeds, eat the fruits, eat
the vegetables like, thosethings are healthy.
There is, there's no reason notto eat those things.
When it comes to protein, that'swhen I get a little iffy,
because if you want to buildlean muscle mass, you do have to
(21:32):
have sufficient protein, andstudies do show that vegans not
only need as much I'm gonna wordthis wrong.
We all I always say to be to be, without getting really
technical on it, like a poundper a pound, a gram of protein
per pound of just say, let's say, body weight.
(21:53):
We're talking about youraverage weighted person.
If you're obese, you don't need, you know, 300 pounds, 300
grams protein.
But to keep it simple, right,so I'm 120 pounds, I should get
at least 120 grams protein a day.
If you're vegan, just getting120 grams of protein a day from
plant sources is actually notenough because of some of the
(22:18):
missing amino acids, right?
So there, you may need morethan one gram per pound of your
body weight to get enough of theessential amino acids that your
body can't produce on its ownand you're not able to get out
of lysine, in particular,because it's just not something
you can get from plant foods orfrom most plant foods, so
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plant-based protein.
So that comes from me.
So there is.
When it comes to being a veganand getting enough protein there
, it does make it a lot morecomplicated.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
It does yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
So I think that they it's not impossible.
There are certainly plenty ofvegan bodies, builders out there
.
I am not saying it's notpossible, right, Like it is
possible to gain muscle and itis possible to do all the things
.
But understanding that it is,in my opinion, harder to do.
(23:10):
I'm sure once you get therethen it's no longer as hard, but
it's harder to do.
I'm not willing to do it.
So instead I get my proteinfrom animal, from animal
products, but non-processedanimal products, right.
So I'm still very pronon-processed foods and I'll say
(23:32):
the same.
You and I have had thisconversation about like the
vegan foods and stuff.
Like I can't with the beyondmeats and stuff.
I just that's not.
I, yeah, I just can't.
So so you know, yeah, all ofthat is plant material, but
there are like 2000 ingredientsin that thing.
Like, um, right, like I'm justlike eat basic food.
(23:57):
So for me it's, yes, give me mybasic plants, give me my basic
meats and then really like mybasic fats if it's not coming
from my meats.
So my biggest problem, comingat it from an athletic
perspective, coming at it from abodybuilder's perspective, the
protein part, the muscle part,was really glossed over.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
So understanding that if somebody wants, to go vegan.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Right, it is a challenge, yeah.
So I am curious, you know, ifyou could share from your
perspective how you managed toget enough.
I know you're not reallytracking your macros anymore,
but you were right when you werecompeting.
So if you had to give somebodyadvice, that was like thinking
(24:43):
they wanted to go vegan.
Like, what does it really take,you know, to get sufficient
protein from vegan foods?
Speaker 2 (24:50):
So that was the point where I was like I want another
coach because of the fact thatI knew it was gonna be harder
and with macros it's so you haveto.
It's like a wordle game, likeyou have to fit it Tetris, yeah.
Like you have to fit the thingsright, to get all the numbers as
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close to zero, or, you know,within five grams, five to 10
grams.
So me being somebody that's sotype A, I was trying to hit that
zero mark for like as close asI could every time.
And with things like tofu andtempeh and seitan the fat
content is higher.
(25:34):
So the more I ate, the proteinis actually good, like the tofu
that I was getting had a lot ofprotein, but what came with that
was a little bit extra carbsand some more fat and that
always made me go over and thatfrustrated the hell out of me
because I was like how am Igoing to fit the fat, the carbs
(25:58):
and the protein without starvingmyself and just eating tofu?
I mean, and that's honestly,towards the end of my first or
my second prep, like that's whatI was doing, like my lunch was
literally some tofu and like Ithink I put kimchi on it because
I needed something you know.
So that was very hard,balancing all of that.
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The other thing is when you'recutting, it's also hard because,
yeah, you have to eat less, butthen you have to eat more.
Like it was so hard to navigate.
I mean, once I got the hang ofit.
It was totally fine.
I was in a groove, but forsomebody like just starting yeah
it's, you definitely have toeat a lot Like when I was in the
(26:43):
calorie surplus when I was inmy growing season.
I was eating so much food Like Iwas eating a lot, which was
great, but sometimes I didn'twant to eat and I was like I
gotta eat this, whatever it waswhere I had to eat a little bit
extra tofu with this meal, thismeal and this meal, and I was so
full and I was like I don'twant to eat it but I have to.
(27:05):
So there was definitelystruggles there.
But again, it is doable.
You just have to want it andyou can get through it.
But yeah, definitely hard.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Yeah, I mean, and again, because plant proteins
are not majority of them are notjust complete proteins but are
missing on some of the aminoacids that you simply cannot get
from them right, like you canonly get or you're not going to
get it as much.
I know Lane Norton.
I actually didn't actually goback and read the study, but I
(27:40):
watched a little blip from LaneNorton he was talking about.
I actually really I've knownLane for do you ever?
I don't know, do you ever?
Do you know who Lane Norton is?
So he's a PhD.
He used to be a bodybuilder.
He does powerlifting now he andI competed together.
I mean like we were on thecompetition circuit together a
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million years ago.
He's Dr Lane Norton now.
He's got a real interestingpersonality like he's kind of
like in your face with his data.
So I think he's a littleoff-putting to people.
But honestly I really when hehe just does little shorts and
clips in YouTube.
So you look him up.
He's got some good stuff outthere.
But he really does give studiesand it is like here's this and
(28:24):
here's this, right, like cause,he talked about vegan.
He was like I'm not bad mouthedvegan, but this is the truth of
the fact you can't get all your.
You know the amino acids thatyou need, and he's talked about
nitrogen balance, which issomething I hadn't like really
even considered, and so we kindof got into that and I sent it
to a couple of my other veganclients and I was like this is
just something for you toconsider when you're looking at
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your the types of proteinsyou're putting in your diet and
how.
That was the first time I heardlike you really need more
protein as a vegan in order toget all the things that you need
, Cause you cannot get it fromjust the same amount that a meat
protein person would get, causeyou're not getting all the
things you need to for themuscle balance and stuff Anyway.
(29:06):
So you might want to check thatout.
I don't know where I was goingwith that.
Forget where I was going withthat when I brought that whole
thing up with Lane and I gotwent off on a tangent about Lane
Shit.
What was I talking about?
I know we were talking aboutprotein.
This is what happens.
It's the end of the day, it'sfour o'clock and I had clients
all day.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
Yeah, you were just saying how like you get your
complete protein from the meatand something else in there, I
don't know I.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
Oh, another thing, I lost my train of thought, but
another point I wanted to bringup because I have investigated a
time or two about, like youknow, could I?
Could I just try it, like Idon't?
I love protein, I love my meat,but I don't need quite as much.
I'm not doing super heavylifting and stuff Like if I can
just maintain, like you know,but could I do?
(29:56):
So?
Here's some other issues thatpeople might run into.
So if you're somebody with likeceliac or gluten intolerant,
like you can't eat satan, right,cause that you're going to have
an issue.
So that's a huge protein Causethat there's so much protein in
that, like that's another issue.
So there are things you have toconsider.
(30:17):
I actually have a lot of issuessurrounding, um, you know, I
can't do a lot of high FODMAPfoods, so that eliminates like
legumes and it eliminates somany vegetables, right, and so
so many things.
So for me to be able I mean Iwould be so limited in a vegan
diet with what didn't try tokill my, my digestive system,
(30:42):
right?
So for me, there are otherlimitations aside from the fact
that I just I just like me.
There are things in a vegan dietthat I could not do without
suffering, you know, some prettysevere consequences in terms of
my digestion, right, yeah, um,you know probably things I could
work through if I really wantedto, but again, I'm lazy and I
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don't really want to do that.
So, um, I'm not, I'm kind ofsetting my ways and I don't need
to Um, but yeah, so I don'tknow.
Was there anything else?
Um, I just wanted to make thatpoint about the protein, because
I do know a lot of people thatlisten to this are um, into
bodybuilding, into gainingmuscle.
So it is something.
Before you go, you know,leaping onto the, the vegan
(31:28):
bandwagon, understand that it ismore difficult, it can be done,
but it takes a whole lot moreum calculating to like fit all
those things in.
And and also, for the record, I, I, I helped you not be
completely neurotic about it,cause I was like it's okay, erin
, if you go over on some ofthese other things like it's
(31:49):
totally fine.
You are doing fine yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
We've had a couple of video calls where you were
literally talking me off theledge cause I was like what?
Speaker 1 (31:55):
am I doing?
I don't know.
I was like, let it be like andand again like I.
I don't have to worry about youbeing that meticulous because I
know how clean your diet isRight, Like you're getting your
calories and you're hitting yourprotein.
So if you go a little over onyour carbs, a little under on
your fat or whatever, the casemay be right.
So that was very clientdependent and that worked for
(32:17):
you.
Yeah, Um, yeah, but again, youknow, because you already had
yourself in such a good place,so that worked.
Um, I had another point I wasgoing to make.
This is going to be a greatpodcast.
I can't remember what?
Speaker 2 (32:38):
the last one, where Tina forgets everything she
wants to say?
Speaker 1 (32:43):
I have so many more things to say, I don't know how
to say the many more.
Um, yeah, so my, what I want,how I want people to eat, is
whatever works for them.
I am not pro anything.
I am pro.
I am pro.
Get enough protein for leanmuscle building.
That is important.
Um, besides, lean musclebuilding, protein is literally,
(33:06):
like the, the, the best macronutrient.
To me, it's the king of allmacro nutrients.
Right, like it, it does all thewonderful things for your body.
You want to burn more calories.
Eat more protein.
Why?
Cause the thermic effect of the.
Just eating protein burns morecalories, right.
You want to gain muscle?
More isn't necessarily better,but eat enough protein.
Right, like these are like allthe things that are really more
(33:28):
satiating.
Um, you know all the thingsthat you need protein for.
And make sure you build yourplate with lots of fruits and
vegetables, right, veryimportant.
And plant based fats are great,right, like you know avocados
and oils and you know thingslike that.
So I am pro.
Eat all your vegetables.
Eat like a vegan omnivore,omnivore, omnivore, omnivorous,
(33:52):
vegan.
Is that a thing?
You know?
What?
Can I create a new?
Can I just create?
Speaker 2 (33:58):
a new trade market like labels.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
Since everybody has to fucking label everything, I'm
just going to.
We're going to create a newdiet that's called the
omnivorous vegan Okay, or thevegan omnivore.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
I like it, we're doing it.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
So that's our new thing.
That's how everybody should eat.
Okay, yeah, that works right.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
I mean I guess we should have started with we're
not telling you to go vegan.
We're not telling you if you'revegan, you have to eat meat.
No, we're just giving our ownopinion about it.
But I feel like both of us kindof were similar.
Like I told Tina, before westarted, I was like I think you
and I are going to have a lot ofsimilar like similar things
that we agree with and we didn'tlike about it.
(34:47):
Then we thought we would.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
So yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
But I would say, watch the show.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
Watch it and form your own opinions, but don't
watch it blindly.
Right, understand what it'sbeing marketed for.
The other thing I'll mention,and I don't know if you've seen
this one have you seen BlueZones?
I'm, that's on my list.
That's really good.
Now I haven't gotten all theway, all the way to the end, so
who knows?
I don't think I watched thelast episode, so they might
(35:13):
surprise me at the end and Imight find out.
It's all a bunch of horse hooeyanyway.
But what Blue Zones is about.
I think they even mentionedBlue Zone.
They mentioned Blue Zones inthis documentary because it's
another one on Netflix, but theywere talking about it in terms
of what?
Blue Zones are, not thedocumentary, right?
So what it is is the study ofthese Blue Zones in the, these
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areas of the world where peoplelive well into their hundreds,
and it's these tiny littlecommunities of people.
They're called Blue Zones.
So they went in and they kindof studied what is the culture
of these people, what are what?
And it's not just about whatthey're eating, it's about their
movement, it's their whole,their lifestyle, right?
(35:56):
So it's a whole lifestyle.
So they look at the social,they look at the environmental,
they look at the nutritional,they look at movement, they look
at exercise, they look atspiritual.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
I was about to say, mind like definitely talking
about that.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
So it's all it's very mind, body and it's very cool
because not all the cult thereis, like there were some
cultures that were primarilyvegetarian, vegan, but there
were some that were not rightand so, and so it to me that one
felt a whole lot more balancedin that it wasn't just
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specifically saying, well, youhave to eat all vegetables, or
you have to eat keto, or youdon't eat bread.
Like there was one I forgetwhat area of the world it was,
but man, these people ate bread,like it was going out of
sourdough bread, mind you, butit was like that was like the
main part of their meal.
Right, it was like bread andthese people are living to.
Like.
But you have to look at allthese other factors.
(36:53):
Right, it comes down tolifestyle, and that's why I
thought this was really cool,because they are talking about
these.
In every blue zone, people wereactive and moving, and every
blue zone they were not livingon social media and on their
phones I mean, they didn't haveit, but right so they were
growing their own foods, theywere out gardening until they
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were like 120 years old.
They had a social community.
Right so it was community.
Some of them were religion orspirituality based, so there was
one, I think it was the onethat was in the United States
they actually the Seventh Day.
Adventist, but it's.
I forget the name of the actualtown in California because they
(37:38):
did mention this one in the UR,which they mentioned that blue
zone, because it's literally onone side of the highway.
You have this group of peopleand on this side of the highway
it's like everybody's dying intheir fifties, right?
So it's like you're talkingabout people that live 20, 30
miles from each other and thisgroup of people is living 10
(38:00):
times longer than this group ofpeople.
So I think that those are thekinds of things that are so much
more important than only eatingvegan or only eating omnivore,
or because it is about, in allof the communities, regardless
of what they were eating, it waswhole foods, right.
(38:22):
So whether it was vegetables ormeats or bread or whatever
they're making the room bread,it was whole foods.
We're not eating all thisprocess junk, regardless of what
it is sleep, stress management,movement, community
spirituality that's what washelping these people live to 120
(38:43):
years old.
Yeah, that's a cool one Allright, that's.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
That's my list.
I didn't even think aboutwatching that before.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
I mean, it was something that just kind of
caught my eye and I was, youknow, because I was really the
older I get, the more I get intolike longevity, like, really,
what is the secret to longevity,like you know, do I really want
to live on this planet another50 years or not?
And if I do, like what's thatgoing to look like?
But yeah, so I think those arethe kinds of things and to me,
(39:12):
that's those are the importantfactors, right, you don't.
I don't like boxes and I don'tlike labels.
I don't like labels on boxes,right, I don't.
You want to eat keto and callyourself a keto.
You want to eat vegan, callyourself a vegan.
You want to eat.
You want to call yourself.
You want to say you're neverdrinking again.
You're going to say you'reeating only meat, paleo,
(39:38):
whatever you know.
Like the labels, right, I'm across fitter, I'm a runner, I'm
a.
This, I'm a that.
It comes down to balancing yourlife with what, with with
healthy things.
Right, it's, and it's all thosethings.
It is eating nutritious foods,whole, unprocessed foods, as
(40:00):
much as you can eat the fuckingpizza Sometimes, if you want to,
nobody cares.
Right, like so again, when youdon't slap labels on yourself
about what you are and who youare.
You have the freedom to do whatyou want, and then there's no
guilt or shame with doing thosethings, right.
And then, because those are thethings that get us in trouble,
right, it's the guilt and theshame.
And when you put labels on,then suddenly you're boxed in
(40:21):
with these rules, and rules arewhat cause those problems.
Yeah, yeah.
So if we're just eating like welove ourselves, if we're just
eating in a way that you knowwill help us live longer lives
and healthier lives and behealthier people, that's what
you do and it's there.
Whether you're vegan orotherwise, it's all the same.
(40:43):
Get whole foods, unprocessedfoods, right.
Eat enough protein.
Don't eat too many calories.
Move your ass, get enough sleep.
Drink your fucking watermeditate go hang out with your
friends, meditate, you know, andjust don't suck, don't be a
(41:08):
shitty human.
It's easy.
Yeah, you heard it here firstpeople Don't suck.
And you too will live a nicelong life, and I am available to
coach you on how not to be ashitty human if you would like.
But that's why our slogan at theend is like don't get wet use
your head and it'll all be okay,because really, it's just like
(41:28):
can we stop making everything sofucking complicated?
Yes, I have had thisconversation with several women
lately because I feel like wefall women fall prey to this
again the fitness industry andall this bullshit that we talked
about before.
Listen, we are born knowingexactly how to eat and sleep and
(41:56):
poop.
We cry when we're hungry.
Babies, right, like this isinnate.
Right, like we know what to do.
Right, we cry when we're hungry.
We cry when we're uncomfortable.
We stop eating when we're full.
From the minute we're born, allof that is learned out of us.
(42:19):
We are trained otherwise, right, so we're getting back to this
place.
When I'm trying to help thewomen I work with do
bodybuilding aside, right, thelifestyle people that I work
with, and even the bodybuildersis we got to get back to a place
that we knew how to fucking dothe minute we came out of the
womb, right, and we have thesociety, culture, our parents,
(42:45):
our lifestyles.
Whatever we're exposed tothroughout our lives is what's
fucked us up, and now we got toall and fuck it all, but it's
there, right, like to stopeating when you're not hungry.
Eat when you're hungry, don'teat when you're not hungry.
Babies drink breast milk orformula right, Like they're not.
(43:06):
We're not giving them all thiscrap, like we know, right?
So we sleep over tired, we crywhen we're sick right, it's just
like, and it's just like wehave to get back to that place,
but also remembering so, withthese documentaries and with
everything else that's out there, there is a bazillion dollar
(43:26):
industry that goes broke theminute.
Every woman in this countryfeels good about themselves.
Speaker 2 (43:33):
Oh yes, oh my God, yes.
Speaker 1 (43:35):
Period.
Keep that in mind.
Right it is.
Everything is directed atmaking sure we never feel like
we're enough.
So, vegan, not enough, I gottado something else right.
Paleo nope, not enough, gottado something else right.
It's just like, whatever it is,it's never enough.
So but keep in mind that thatis, keep your eyes wide open and
(44:00):
understand that that's.
It's all stacked against us onpurpose for people to make money
yeah that's all it is.
Speaker 2 (44:09):
Is the money making?
Speaker 1 (44:09):
Yeah, so you have to figure out what works for you,
exactly right when it comes downto it.
And don't suck that's my newmotto.
Just don't suck, it's easy.
Did you have anything else youwanted to add about the
documentary, or about beingvegan or protein or anything
(44:31):
else that you think is reallyimportant?
No, I just like I said earlier.
Speaker 2 (44:37):
just, I feel like the whole theme of us two talking
and the documentary andeverything I think is just eat
more whole foods and plant-basedfoods.
You can have your meat, you canhave your fish, you can have
all the things too, but makesure that you get enough of the
vegetables and fruits in yourdiet, and that's gonna be so
(44:57):
much better than packing yourplate full of junk food and
processed foods.
Like we all can agree thatprocessed foods are not healthy.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
Yes, so, and they're okay in moderation, right, yeah,
eat that stuff in moderation.
But really the majority of yourlife should be spent treating
your body like you give a shitright so that you can.
There is no study that saysthat's not the healthy way to
eat.
Exactly, it doesn't matter whatlabel you want to slap on it,
(45:31):
that's what you need, yeah,right.
So with that, since I don'tthink we have anything else to
say and I think I've completelylost any ability to speak on any
topics further, we're going tosay don't get weird, use your
head, it will all be okay, anddon't suck.
And don't suck.
Bye, bye.
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