November 18, 2024 • 31 mins
Turning 40 is more than just a milestone; it's a wake-up call for those of us clinging to outdated fitness routines. Have you ever tried to incorporate a new sport like jujitsu into your regimen only to find your body protesting? Join us as we share personal stories about facing longer recovery times and navigating the increased risk of injury that come with age. We aren't just talking about physical changes; we're tackling the cognitive dissonance we all face when our bodies no longer match our mental image. Embracing new, age-appropriate strategies can transform your routine and keep you in the game longer.
In our podcast, we explore the often tricky balance of integrating new activities with current fitness habits. Whether it's the allure of jujitsu or the grind of weight training, understanding personal limits becomes essential as we age. We discuss how adapting our activities can prevent constant setbacks and injuries while still allowing room for growth and experimentation. Finding joy in movement is critical, even if it means pivoting to pursuits more aligned with our evolving capabilities. It's not just about maintaining physical health; it's about making sure we enjoy the journey every step of the way.
Consistency is key to a sustainable fitness journey, and we dive into how to maintain it amidst life's chaos. From battling poor diet choices to struggling with sleep, a regular fitness routine can anchor your well-being. We highlight the versatility of resistance training, whether through bodyweight or weights, and share personal experiences on how to keep it fresh and fulfilling. By adopting a beginner's mindset, we can overcome the mental hurdles that often derail our progress. Small, consistent actions can be the catalyst for larger achievements, helping us avoid the all-or-nothing mentality and ultimately leading to long-term success and satisfaction in our fitness endeavors.
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
Hello and welcome to episode 38 of Coach's Corner
with Justin and Ethan.
I am Coach Justin and I'm CoachEthan.
Today, folks, we're going to betalking about letting go of
things in your life,specifically fitness, that may
have served you at one time butno longer serve you now, and you
might be hanging on to thisidea of what it takes to get fit
(00:33):
aka I only get fit when I cutout carbs or when I run five
miles every day.
But the reality of your lifenow might not support that
belief system and that's keepingyou from being consistent,
which we know is the key tosuccess.
So we're just going to kind oftalk about our own stories today
on things we've experiencedlike that you know that we've
had to just let go of, and alsothings that we've allowed into
(00:54):
our life that we never reallythought we would have fully
embraced, but just kind of worksand makes sense and allows us
to keep showing up every day.
So that's what we're going tobe talking about today, if up
every day.
So that's what we're going tobe talking about today.
If you don't know us, we've beendoing this podcast for eight,
nine months now.
We've worked together for like20 years.
Trainers in the gym floor.
We've owned gyms together.
At this point now, ethan hashis own studio in Los Angeles
(01:16):
where he sees people.
I have a business online Bottomline.
We've been doing this for avery long time Weight loss,
nutrition coaching, fitnessconsulting and so now we come
together this podcast to helpyou guys cut through the noise
and get on the straight andnarrow for your own health and
fitness journey.
That's right, there we go.
So, with that being said, manwell, I gotta say I'll start out
with like I just turned 40years old last week say the
(01:38):
compliments.
Don't tell me, I look younger,it's okay you look like 52.
You don't look a day over 50,uh, and you know, I think 40 is
just that age man.
You're turning 40 in like acouple months yeah, that's
pretty close in age and, likeyou know, it's a, it's that very
like introspective moment inyour life, these milestone
birthdays 20, 30, 40, 50 whereyou're just like 40 is like it's
(02:03):
, I feel, like 40.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Is that?
That's the true halfway point,right, like obviously, leaving
your 20s to your 30s has asignature to it yeah, but you're
still right, but you're stillpretty with it.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Yeah, yeah, you still you still got that.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
You still got them.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Hormones flowing you're still yeah, you're still
doing good but 40 is you'reentering the f's?
Speaker 2 (02:20):
yeah, the 40 50 right and I think it is the true like
half.
It is middle-aged by definition, right.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Which is a trip.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
It is no longer like, oh, I'm like riding out my 20s.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
It's like I mean, whatever your life is it's like
the numbers are there, Thingsare just.
They just aren't the sameanymore.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
You know like joints.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
It's true, I mean I've had more injuries in the
last year and a half than Iprobably have in the last 10
years combined and they're notlike career-ending devastating
injuries, but it's just like, ohwow, this back tweak is lasting
six weeks, like and I wasn'teven that bad, and like we're
maybe in your 20s.
It would have been like four orfive days and you're like all
right back at it.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
It's crazy.
I did, uh, I was demonstratinga pull-up on the rings and I
like tweaked some elbow flexorit's a good comment like man, it
just will not go away and Ithink, just hold, wrap, yeah,
yep, and it's not like again,it's not devastating, but like
it hurts all the time.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
This is like, oh man, one thing I elbow, yeah, no but
like one thing I was telling,like all our new clients that
are over 35, I'm like, hey, thatlike I know you want to get
jacked and I know like we wantto just like look awesome and be
super fit.
The number one objective, thoseinjury prevention, yes, because
man, guy, girl doesn't matter,you're one gnarly like just past
(03:35):
the line of oh, this is notjust a tweak, this is and you
are, it's, it's done, it'sdemoralizing it's depressing.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Yeah, the amount of time it takes before you return
is so much more detrimental thanjust taking like a more tender
route.
Totally, yeah, it's just andyeah, the fundamentally it's
just, the healing time is sodifferent and so we had met.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
We were in the pre-game, the pre-show.
We were talking about thisconcept of like cognitive
dissidence and like one thingthat I think of when I think of
cognitive dissonance is likeclosing the gap between what you
think and feel it should beversus what it really is, and I
feel like that's sort of like acognitive dissonance gap that we
have to close, but also part ofjust like calibrating and
(04:19):
aligning our brains with being alittle bit more accurate to
self-assess, because I thinkwhat happens is we have this
idea well, but no, I I'm like amarathon runner, I am a you know
crossfitter, I'm a competitivekickboxer.
It's like well, you were, and Ithink there's a part of that
that is, that you can't removethat part of you.
(04:39):
No doubt it's been thefoundation of your being, but if
the objective truth is thatit's been 10 years since you've
done any of those things and inthat 10 year period you've like
gotten a busier job or you'vestarted a family or you've just
like taking your eye off yourgame, I think the the goal is to
assess that and make sure thatyou don't just go back and try
(05:00):
to like pick up where you leftoff.
But give yourself a littlegrace to either a ramp back up
to that over you know period oftime or be entertain the idea
that maybe there's somethingthat's more appropriate for you
at this stage of your life?
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Yeah, without question.
Like you know, I think it comes.
Just, this is a process thatprobably happens with every
stage of life and you know, likemy mom's older, she had me
pretty late in the game and youknow she started just using a
rollator, which is like thoselike kind of not quite a walker,
but those like walking rollerwalkers With the tennis balls in
the front.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
No, no, that's like a legit walker.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Okay okay, the rollator is like that, has like
the little like almost like aseat, but it just rolls as you
walk, whereas a walker is like aclink clink.
Okay, clink clink, yeah you know.
And so she finally accepted itand she's had all types of hip
and knee replacements and alltypes of stuff.
But you know, like mentally itwas like hard for her.
Yeah she's, she's probablyneeded it for so many years and
has resisted it for so long, andso I feel like it's just a
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process of life where we don'twant to get older.
We don't want to get older, wedon't want to accept that the
youth is gone and it's nevergoing to come back, and the
things that we were able,capable and the identity more
importantly, right To thosethings that we did when we were
younger and we're just going togo with that right now and those
(06:18):
things that are more accessible, is like it's hard to let go.
We don't want to do it Right.
And there is a whole thing LikeI get it, like you accept
defeat and that's it right.
You take the role later and nowyou have a walker and now
you're in a wheelchair and nowyou decline because you don't
care and you don't try, and Iget that.
That's a potential path.
But at the same time, likeshe's in less pain because she's
using this thing Right.
(06:38):
I see through her, the process.
I think of what we're talkingabout.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Because it's a spectrum.
It's a spectrum, it's not justeither you're like young or
you're old.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
You're just not all of a sudden like 80 and fucking
decrepit.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
No, it's from like 35 to like death.
It's just this like spectrum of, like readjusting.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Readjusting, and this is barring no major injury or
something, so it things.
So it's like you know, imagine,like I remember in college that
we talked about the whole likepsychological component of an,
of an athlete that goes througha major injury and the
depression and the things thatcome with like your whole
identity is taken away from you,and so that's like you know,
barring all that, I think thereis just having this kind of real
like have to kind of like alook in the mirror and readjust
(07:20):
your approach to your goal yeahand you know, and I think you
know to honor, there's a broadspectrum of like.
I think consistency is whatmatters most, and there's lots
of ways to have a generally fitand healthy lifestyle.
None of them are always have tobe like reps and sets in a gym.
You know, if you want amountain bike or surf, that's
great, totally, and I do thinkthat there's a certain joy
(07:41):
component.
But I think fundamentally itit's like honoring what is it
that you know would serve youthe best?
And, exactly like you weresaying, the consistency matters.
So what is going to make thatconsistently accessible for you?
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Right, because, like if you fancy yourself as a power
lifter and that's what you didin your 20s and 30s, and then
now you just keep finding that,man, my back is just always
tweaked, I'm always having torecover, and you're 40, you got
to ask yourself like is theresomething else that you could
allow into your life that givesyou 80 of that satisfaction,
(08:17):
right, but only takes 20 of thetoll on your body that you know
may not be what you'veidentified as, whether that's
like a endurance athlete, amartial artist, a power lifter,
a bodybuilder, like whatever.
It's a different set of lifts,but but something, yeah, but
like if.
But now it's like if.
Is there something that we cando that would encourage, what
(08:40):
would allow for more consistency?
Because, like you know uh, casein point and totally so like
last year around january, I kindof had this like thing.
I'm like I've just been like inthe gym lifting weights for
many years now, but I waskickboxer in my 20s.
I've always been like, I'vebeen like constantly doing two
(09:03):
days, always lifted weights, andthen we'd open up the crossfit
gym in our late 20s.
We were doing like crossfitcompetitions in addition to
training.
It just felt like there'salways like athletics in my life
of some degree, you know,especially as an adult.
Then I went to this likestretch, there's just nothing,
and I'm like that's it, like I'mI'm.
At the time I was like 38, I'mlike'm 38.
I'm not over the hill yet.
(09:24):
I'm going to go join this beachvolleyball league Turned into
this whole thing, ballooned tothis.
I'm doing tournaments nowbecause I picked it up quickly.
I was kind of good.
I'm tall, so it worked.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
I just really enjoyed it.
It was so much fun.
I met friends.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
It's social, it's got all the text and you go you go
talk about it, about like ahappy life, totally.
It was so much fun.
And then, like you know, I didthis like back-to-back leagues
and tournaments and I was likegetting good.
It was like I was like this isfun, like let's go like ah,
what's that little ache pain inmy knee?
anyways, long story short, byseptember, full-on gnarly
(10:02):
patellar tendonitis, akajumper's knee, went to the
doctor.
It was so bad I had to get likex-rays and they're just like.
It's just tendonitis.
Man, I'm like man.
I have never felt tendonitislike, really that is gnarly.
I could have sworn.
I just had grinded down mymeniscus or something but yeah
you're like.
Well, they're like you, besideshaving like stage two um
osteoarthritis and your kneewhich is normal for a man your
(10:25):
age I'm just like thanks,they're like.
You know, it's just tendonitis,you just gotta give it time.
Took six months and then duringthat six month period couldn't
really exercise my legs.
Much was kind of limping aroundit was gnarly anyways and then.
So then this year was like, okay, I can't do beach volleyball
anymore, but let me do somethingthat does it.
That's not like jumping jujitsu, that makes sense, it's fun,
it's cool.
Here we are approaching, youknow, october of this year now
(10:48):
and I've, like so far, had threekind of decent injuries through
jujitsu this year and likeevery time I do it, it's like I
gotta take a month off of weightlifting, or at least I have to
baby the weights, and so there'sno progression in my weight
training.
And it's just, you know, it'sjust.
I'm just kind of getting tothat point where I'm like man
should the game like okay, likeI got to find something.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
I mean, I think the takeaway is don't try anything
new.
Yeah, the takeaway is don't doany intramural sports, you know,
but I know, but I think it iskind of the fact that, like you
know one I really respect,because I don't, you know, I
guess not a vulnerable share.
But it's like I don't fuckingdo any of that, I don't try new
sports, and I think that's whyyou didn't have any tendonitis,
(11:33):
so I really respect the kind ofwillingness to put, because it's
time and effort too it's notjust like you got to be
vulnerable.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
You know, you're with new people and start from the
beginning.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Yeah, and I think there's the rewards and joys
like with the volleyball thatcomes with it as well so I
respect your pursuit of that,but it's kind of like we're
talking about like there mightbe a point where, like as
someone who is now middle-agedofficially that you know, maybe
jujitsu isn't the place to start, and, like you, know, and it's
either like you love it so much,it's so much a lifeblood, that
(12:03):
you have to do it and maybeprogress into it slower or take
your time, or then startrehabbing and spending time
outside of the dojo to make sureyour joints are acclimated and
ready and really going down thatrabbit hole, yeah.
Or it's like okay, well, maybe Ijust can't jump into jiu-jitsu
at 40.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Yeah, I think that is exactly right.
Can't jump into jiu-jitsu at 40?
Yeah, I think that exactlyexactly right.
You know, like, had I done, hadme or anyone you know in this
case started maybe a five or tenyears ago and kind of gotten
over that initial adaptationhump, it's a little bit
different.
Your body's more equipped andcertainly I, there's no doubt I
could get there eventually.
It's just kind of at what cost?
Yes, and you know, for me it'slike weight lifting is important
(12:42):
and I don't want to keepshowing up each week to my
weight training sessions andhave to, like, cut out all the
volume in half because myshoulder is jacked from jujitsu.
You know, yeah, yeah, 100%.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
And so it's just those.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
You know it's okay to transition from what used to be
to a thing that you know we canshow up for.
(13:15):
That doesn't beat us up so muchthat maybe we never thought in
a million years that we would bethat guy.
But then the reality is.
Is that you know jujitsu,volleyball, sports,
weightlifting aside?
Like what is the real point ofit all?
Speaker 2 (13:30):
what is the real like goal?
Why are we doing this?
Speaker 1 (13:33):
why we want.
You want to look good, ofcourse, but you want to be
healthy.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
You want to live longer and there's nothing you
want a better quality of lifelike fundamentally, I mean if
you work out.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
If you have like a decent workout a few days a week
, I mean that is the thing youcould eat like shit you could.
Your sleep could be jacked, youcould.
You know all the other thingsin your life can be, you know
not, but if the one thing isjust you're consistently
training, you'd be, surprisedhow far that goes from just a
general health standpoint.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Yeah, it's just there's just no stagnancy.
Yeah, you know it's, there'sthe the.
There's not that dirty pool ofwater at the corner of the Creek
.
Yeah, it's collecting mildew.
Yeah, and the foam, andwhatever.
It is Right and it's, it's's,it's just the truth and I think,
(14:20):
like resistance training isjust such, there's so many
avenues of it.
So, whether you're like goingbody weight and doing like a
gymnastics skill-basedprogressive overload, or you're
just lifting a heavier dumbbell,I think that resistance
training is just undeniablyasking your body to show up and
I think that that wholecontinuum is just going to be
something that is infinitelyaccessible to make your life
better.
And again, it's like I, youknow cause it's like I don't
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want to shy away from beinginspired and doing something
that fulfills your life, orlooking for something that
fulfills your life.
You know, in a certain sense,I'm actually kind of going
through a process right nowwhere you know, in a certain
sense, I'm actually kind ofgoing through a process right
now where you know when I firststarted back when I was fucking
15, 16, 17 and on the wrestlingteam it's like I was all about
the calisthenics, dips, push-up,handstand, pull, push-ups,
(15:05):
pull-ups, all the stuff, andthat like progressed into kind
of what I just named, like thatkind of gymnastic skill based
where you're like a new abilitywas based off the gaining of
more strength versus just like,okay, 35 pound dumbbell, 40
pound dumbbell, and it's almostlike I've moved so far into that
(15:26):
classic kind of functionalstrength training world that I
almost like miss the, thecalisic body weight stuff.
And I'm kind of having this,like I can feel this like little
smoldering inside of me, that Imight switch back over there,
because if there is somethingabout the success of a new
position or a new movementthat's inspiring and like no
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doubt it's the same thing.
Like, oh, I bench pressed 200pounds and then I bench pressed
215.
And like that feels good, butthere's a certain monotony there
, right, whereas like it's like,oh, like I couldn't do this and
now I can actually do thisthing even if it's, even if it
starts as five push-ups to 10push-ups, to a new kind of
push-up, and so it's just.
I think you know I will see, andit's still just resistance.
(16:10):
Training is what I want to comeback to.
I'm still just asking my bodyto do things that are hard of
heart.
It's hard for it to do, for itto do.
But you know, I do think thereis a component of you know we
got to, we got to do somethingthat's going to be fulfilling as
well, and I think fulfillmentcan come in so many different
forms.
And so it's like I don't.
You know, there's somecomponent of me that wants to
make sure it's not just like dothe boring shit in the gym
(16:35):
Totally, and I think there'salways a progression or
regression, just like you kindof talked about the jiu-jitsu If
you took the time and it reallymattered to you, you could
adapt away in there.
It might take two years, butyou could if you wanted to.
But there is a truth that, likewhat happens in the weight room
or the gym in terms ofconsolidated, chosen exercise in
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some capacity, is always goingto be the most accessible thing,
in a way.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
And it's like to your point, like that doesn't mean
it's not a binary of you do theweights or you do the know
impact sport it's, it's a, it'sa continuum of okay, well, how
much of each is it isappropriate?
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And then also on a personallevel, like, well, how much am I
willing, how much of either oneam I willing to let go of, in
order to create space in my lifeto not only train in this, in
this area, but then also recoverfrom the training in that area.
And that's like a personalstruggle that I'm in the midst
of right now of just like, okay,like I have this idea that I
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want to lift weights five days aweek.
Four days, four or five days aweek would be ideal.
But then, man, I do two jujitsusessions and I'm like
everything hurts and I'm achyand I just have to skip it.
But you know, everything hurtsand I'm achy and I just have to
skip it.
But yeah, it is, it can.
It's like okay, well, what doesone jiu-jitsu session look like
a week?
What is doing two jiu-jitsusessions and maybe only doing
two weight training sessions aweek look?
Speaker 2 (18:01):
right or like how do you have time to then do like
joint rehab?
Speaker 1 (18:04):
yeah, or prehab.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Right, like okay, I want to do two jiu-jitsu
sessions a week, but in order todo that at my age and physical
situation, I have to give timeto be like.
I have to then carve out moretime.
Yeah, so now, maybe one of mytwo weight training sessions a
week goes into like justcomplete, like bulletproofing of
joints, yeah, Because I choosejujitsu, and now it's only one
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weight training session a week,right, and I think it's this
kind of continuum that goes backto your age injuries.
You know imbalances in yourbody.
You know kids.
I mean, like you know, neitherof us have kids at the moment
well, that's the thing is.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
You know, that's what inspired this episode, as well
as, like you know, for so manyclients that we have.
It's like I can't say how manytimes you get on these calls
where it's like, you know, I, Iknow what, I know it works for
me, it's, it's.
I think you've had clients likethis too, you know, it's when I
cut out carbs and run like 20miles a week.
It's like when's last we didthat eight years ago.
What's happened from eightyears ago till now?
(19:03):
Well, I got a new job and Ihave family now and it's like
okay, listen, there's a reasonwhy you're not running, you know
20 miles a week anymore.
It like it's just not realisticwith your schedule to commit to
waking up at five so you canget your 40 minute run in every
day.
And so it's like theseconversations that we constantly
keep having with folks.
It's like okay, we want to lose30 pounds, we know that, right.
(19:26):
Okay, we also know that, like,we have like other things that
we would love to do.
Then we all have, we have likethe reality of our life.
We have to kind of find thatvenn diagram of like well,
what's like the sweet spot oflike instead of these two days
that maybe you used to do inyour 20s, but then now we're
doing nothing and because wedon't have time to do two days,
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so therefore you don't doanything because there's this
kind of like well, I gotta waituntil I have time to do the
thing that I know worked, butit's like well that you don't
have that time and you and yourkids are five.
So you're saying it's thereason you got 12 more years of
this shit right.
So it's like you know whatabout a 15 minute at home hit
workout three days a week?
Speaker 2 (20:04):
right?
Or what about a 15 minute run,a one run.
One mile running is your thingright, like I get it like, but
now you don't get to do 20 milesa week right, do three miles
right.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Right, like literally , you know, but then it's just
yeah exactly, or it's just a newmodality altogether.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
But like, what is the like it's like?
Can we really be real withourselves?
I think in a lot of ways.
And just like what?
Back to the?
Why do I choose to includefitness in my life specifically,
I gotta think exercise andmovement.
I mean, obviously, this is allapplicable to food and how we
eat as well.
But like, do I choose toinclude this for the just
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without question, cause I knowit's going to make me a better
person.
It's going to just make lifebetter.
Whether I hate the time in thegym or I love mountain biking or
whatever it is, do I choose todo it what's accessible and just
keeping it real.
About that, I think TotallyBecause, understandably, like
life comes at you, it's hardLike if you've got one, two,
(21:02):
three seven kids.
You know you got four jobs.
No, but really, really, reallythough it's.
You know I have a client thatbrings his kids to the studio.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
That's cool.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Yeah, and I'm so grateful in a way that I have
that ability to let him do that.
But, like that's, the realtruth of his life is that if
that wasn't an option, hewouldn't be in the gym.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, and you know it'd be veryeasy to just not want to bring
your kids and then therefore notgo to the gym.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
I mean that's and you know, and again, I think that
it's like the inertia.
One quote I heard from some bookI listened to many years ago.
I couldn't tell you who or when,but the quote that stuck out
was never break the chain ofhabit.
You know, everything hasmomentum and everything has
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inertia, inertia and it's likeconstantly the better you can
get at acclimating in real timeto the moment and not having it
be this all or nothing decisionthat you do or you don't, but
just always it's like die.
It's like constantly in themoment dialing up and dialing
down.
Okay, you know, like case inpoint, like instead of it just
(22:13):
being like well, well, I can'tdo my workouts, I can't go to
the gym because we move thegym's 30 minutes away now and
you know I just can't.
I don't have two hour block inmy day to go work out, so I
haven't worked out in months.
It's like it's like the betterwe can get at just recognizing
kind of seeing the crystal ball,seeing around the corner sooner
, seeing that potentiality, andthen acclimating in real time,
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being like let me just ordersome resistance bands, let me
just like get something moving,even if it's just 15-minute
workouts at home 10-minute walk,because once you break that
chain of habit, man.
A month goes by so fast and whenyou have not worked out in a
month, like Tanya just wentthrough.
This was we were traveling andthen she got sick.
She was traveling for work fora week or two so she couldn't go
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her boot camps in the morning.
Then we went on a vacation for10, 11 days, indulgence travel,
and then we then she got sick,right, so it was a month and
then sickness is just, oh man.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
And it was a brutal habits for antibiotics, so you
know, here she was for ninemonths, going to nine months,
nine months.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Well, she had, she had, she had started in january
this year, had gone basicallythree or four days a week.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Yeah, you know, counting her calories of doing
yeah, of going to the boot campsix am.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
no, no, no, it's the boot camps 6 am boot camps.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
I thought you were talking about 9 months off.
No, okay, yeah, 6 am boot campsfor 9 months, so big block of
consistency.
Right, like your body's in theflow now, dude she shredded like
15 pounds body fat.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
She's like feeling good, feeling good, but man,
it's just.
But this is what happens.
This is how it goes.
It's like boom, you know, work,trip, vacation, got sick.
Boom, boom, boom, the stack.
So that was one month of time.
Right there, you're alreadygoing to see a huge decline in
fitness after a month.
But then the inertia of justnot going and the fear of how
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hard that class is going to bethe first one back.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
How different it is.
It rolled into another month itwas two months now.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
She finally went back this week and of course she's
so sore she can't walk, but yeahI kept saying I'm like, come in
here with me, just do 10minutes, just so any hard, but
she had this like no, has to bethe boot camp that I'm going to
have you know it's, it's, it'shard man, it's.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
I mean, I, I I definitely fall victim to this
pattern where life will happento me, because life always
happens and I'll definitely getderailed.
I fall into this lull and Ijust witnessed myself in the
lull where there's like nothinghappening and I'm just like fuck
dude, I did it again.
And it's like happened enoughtimes, where now it's like fuck,
(24:48):
I'm back, how'd.
I step back in this stillness,yes, and I'm like and I know
that I'm going to be so sore Ican't walk.
I know it's this like now.
It's not like, it's just likeeven like the little trickle.
It wasn't like the faucetwasn't even dripping.
It's like now that the faucet'soff, it's like fuck man, I
gotta, and.
But the mental game of being ata complete stop and coming back
(25:24):
is just such a wild thing.
It is.
It is such a wild thing.
I mean I'm in it kind of rightnow.
I've been in a stagnancy whereI just can't seem to choose to
be consistent with it.
It's not nothing, but I'm notin that flow.
And it's become such a thingnow where I'm just so in my head
about it and it's just likemotherfucker here I am like yet
(25:46):
again.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
I'm like well, here I am again, and there's no like,
there's no solution other thanjust doing just biting the
bullet.
Yeah, it's just getting it.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
It's like face the music, all these little quotes,
all these little soliloquies andit's like, yep, you know, yeah,
and it is funny because it'sjust there is just no way around
it, and it's all the fears andit's all the how much fitness
I've lost and how my heart isgoing to be, and who am I and
can I even do this, and all thatyou know, like all the, all the
scary thoughts yeah, you know.
(26:16):
So, if you, if you ever have ahard time out there, folks, it's
not alone, you're not alonestatistically, I think 90 of
people.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
Yeah, like it's tend to lose all their progress
within five year period of anysort of major transformation and
like it just takes a verystrong will to keep coming at
things with childish curiosity,with the beginner's mind of just
like I'm gonna like, if you'vedone a hundred six week
(26:45):
weightlifting, progressiveoverload cycles, the hundred and
one, just so easy, just be like, yeah, okay, this and this and
whatever.
But it's like the ability tolike get excited about the thing
that you've done a thousandtimes over again, yeah, and it's
just kind of reinventing it andlike, and then you know, I
think the spirit of this episodeis like being okay to adjust,
(27:06):
yeah, if the thing that you'vedone for a long time and you've
identified with you start in theback of your mind like it's
just not serving you as much asyou had thought.
Like entertaining the idea ofadopting a new style of training
.
At this point I'm pretty muchexclusively doing like what
would you, what you wouldconsider classic bodybuilding?
Yeah, and I'm not a bodybuilder, but it's just a way for me to
(27:30):
be consistent.
That is so low bar withintensity, because every set I'm
taking a minute and a halfbreak afterwards you know, it's
not like jujitsu, where youliterally feel a little like
fear in your you know you feelthe fear before each class
because, you're about to sparanother man who wants to choke
you?
Speaker 2 (27:47):
It's a battle.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Whose intention is to make you tap out?
Yeah, like spar or whatever, orgoing to a 6 am boot camp where
it's so easy to cancel.
I didn't sleep.
It's raining outside.
I'm still sore from the otherone.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
I haven't done it in a week.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
There's a million reasons you can cancel a 6am
boot camp.
Don't fucking want to do it,you know.
But like when you lower thebarrier of entry a little bit
and you kind of make it likesuch a no-brainer, like yeah, of
course I'm gonna do a 40 minuteyou know workout in my home or
a 10 minute I mean circuit in myliving room even like three
sets of 10 push-ups, because Ithink that's where I get caught
up is.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
It is like it like avoiding that all or nothing of
like well, I gotta do a solidworkout right.
And it's like going back tothat like just any type of
current right, even if thewindow is cracked and there's
just a little bit of air comingthrough just some type of
movement momentum, so that's nota dead stop.
Yeah, just don't break thechain of habit just don't break
(28:43):
the chain of habit.
And so it's like, literallysometimes I'm just like, oh,
it's so stupid, like I'm gonnado three sets of 10 push-ups,
but when I find myself in theseplaces where I've come to a
standstill, sometimes that isliterally where, and it's almost
like this weird place from likewell, this is stupid and it
means nothing and therefore whybother.
And then I stay still, whereas,like sometimes it is, it's like
okay, let's just do.
(29:04):
You know, like the other day Ihad Amanda, just be, you know.
There's this whole.
I'm gonna get woken up and justI was just like three sets,
it's like 20 jumping jacks and15 mountain climbers per leg,
just do it at a pace as quicklyas you can, don't rush, but just
like even that, and she's likeI feel great now, you know, and
it and it's so simple and sosilly, and maybe three sets of
(29:25):
pushups just seems like it doesnothing and it might not mean
you're going to be fit from it,but it does kind of keep the
momentum.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
It keeps a toehold on your fitness.
But also, I think I'veexperienced personally where,
like, I'll tell myself okay, I'mtired, I don't know, all right,
I'm just gonna do three sets ofname your movement and that's
all I'm gonna do for this bodypart today, and that's good
enough.
But then what you?
What I've realized is that it'sa, it's a trip wire, yeah, yeah
.
And I trick myself into sayingand that gets me to just start,
(29:55):
I'm not gonna do the full, youknow hour-long thing, I'm just
gonna do.
I got it, I'm just gonna one upand just do easy three sets and
I'm done.
And then, of course, three setslater, your hormones are
flowing, your muscles are pumped, your joints are loose, you
feel good and you're like allright, I can do the rest of it.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
Yeah, I can do this.
I can do a little bit more.
It's no big deal.
I got 10 more minutes.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
Yeah, like trick permission to just like
completely trick yourself.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
Ham and the garlic, ham and the garlic yeah, you
give yourself what you want, oryou give yourself what you need
you gotta give yourself a littleham, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
Totally, and that goes for you know everything.
It sure does.
But yeah, All right.
Well, I think that pretty muchsums it up.
Yeah, I think that's a good one.
Yeah, that was a good one, justkind of a more philosophical
approach to your fitness livesand that, like you don't like
holding yourself at such a highstandard is pretty much set.
You're setting yourself up forsome degree of failure when,
(30:46):
inevitably, life becomes lifeand, like we live in a culture
where it's like suck it up, workharder, no one cares, you know,
and there's certain quality, Ithink, of just like not being
too soft when it comes toholding yourself to a standard,
but also recognizing thatnothing matters if we're not
consistent in life.
And so if you find that thethings you're, the standards
you're trying to hold yourselfto just consistently come at
(31:09):
odds with the realities of yourlife and you consistently have
to put some like, put yourfitness on the back burner
because you can't live up to thearbitrary expectations that
you've set for yourself, thatadjusting those expectations
down, even just temporarily, sothat you can maintain
consistency, is the number one,most important thing.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Yeah right, Whether it's that you have an exercise
in three months or you findyourself at 63 or you've had a
major injury or all of a suddenyou had your second kid, like
whatever it is you just.
I mean that was very articulate.
Thank you Quite surprised.
40 looks good on you.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
My brain's only half deteriorated, all right, guys.
Well, thanks for tuning in.
We'll check you all next weekfor episode 39.
Almost the 4-0.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Almost we're chasing it All right Later.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
Guys, Peace out Peace .
Hello and welcome to episode 38 of Coach's Corner
with Justin and Ethan.
I am Coach Justin and I'm CoachEthan.
Today, folks, we're going to betalking about letting go of
things in your life,specifically fitness, that may
have served you at one time butno longer serve you now, and you
might be hanging on to thisidea of what it takes to get fit
(00:33):
aka I only get fit when I cutout carbs or when I run five
miles every day.
But the reality of your lifenow might not support that
belief system and that's keepingyou from being consistent,
which we know is the key tosuccess.
So we're just going to kind oftalk about our own stories today
on things we've experiencedlike that you know that we've
had to just let go of, and alsothings that we've allowed into
(00:54):
our life that we never reallythought we would have fully
embraced, but just kind of worksand makes sense and allows us
to keep showing up every day.
So that's what we're going tobe talking about today, if up
every day.
So that's what we're going tobe talking about today.
If you don't know us, we've beendoing this podcast for eight,
nine months now.
We've worked together for like20 years.
Trainers in the gym floor.
We've owned gyms together.
At this point now, ethan hashis own studio in Los Angeles
(01:16):
where he sees people.
I have a business online Bottomline.
We've been doing this for avery long time Weight loss,
nutrition coaching, fitnessconsulting and so now we come
together this podcast to helpyou guys cut through the noise
and get on the straight andnarrow for your own health and
fitness journey.
That's right, there we go.
So, with that being said, manwell, I gotta say I'll start out
with like I just turned 40years old last week say the
(01:38):
compliments.
Don't tell me, I look younger,it's okay you look like 52.
You don't look a day over 50,uh, and you know, I think 40 is
just that age man.
You're turning 40 in like acouple months yeah, that's
pretty close in age and, likeyou know, it's a, it's that very
like introspective moment inyour life, these milestone
birthdays 20, 30, 40, 50 whereyou're just like 40 is like it's
(02:03):
, I feel, like 40.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Is that?
That's the true halfway point,right, like obviously, leaving
your 20s to your 30s has asignature to it yeah, but you're
still right, but you're stillpretty with it.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Yeah, yeah, you still you still got that.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
You still got them.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Hormones flowing you're still yeah, you're still
doing good but 40 is you'reentering the f's?
Speaker 2 (02:20):
yeah, the 40 50 right and I think it is the true like
half.
It is middle-aged by definition, right.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Which is a trip.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
It is no longer like, oh, I'm like riding out my 20s.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
It's like I mean, whatever your life is it's like
the numbers are there, Thingsare just.
They just aren't the sameanymore.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
You know like joints.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
It's true, I mean I've had more injuries in the
last year and a half than Iprobably have in the last 10
years combined and they're notlike career-ending devastating
injuries, but it's just like, ohwow, this back tweak is lasting
six weeks, like and I wasn'teven that bad, and like we're
maybe in your 20s.
It would have been like four orfive days and you're like all
right back at it.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
It's crazy.
I did, uh, I was demonstratinga pull-up on the rings and I
like tweaked some elbow flexorit's a good comment like man, it
just will not go away and Ithink, just hold, wrap, yeah,
yep, and it's not like again,it's not devastating, but like
it hurts all the time.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
This is like, oh man, one thing I elbow, yeah, no but
like one thing I was telling,like all our new clients that
are over 35, I'm like, hey, thatlike I know you want to get
jacked and I know like we wantto just like look awesome and be
super fit.
The number one objective, thoseinjury prevention, yes, because
man, guy, girl doesn't matter,you're one gnarly like just past
(03:35):
the line of oh, this is notjust a tweak, this is and you
are, it's, it's done, it'sdemoralizing it's depressing.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Yeah, the amount of time it takes before you return
is so much more detrimental thanjust taking like a more tender
route.
Totally, yeah, it's just andyeah, the fundamentally it's
just, the healing time is sodifferent and so we had met.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
We were in the pre-game, the pre-show.
We were talking about thisconcept of like cognitive
dissidence and like one thingthat I think of when I think of
cognitive dissonance is likeclosing the gap between what you
think and feel it should beversus what it really is, and I
feel like that's sort of like acognitive dissonance gap that we
have to close, but also part ofjust like calibrating and
(04:19):
aligning our brains with being alittle bit more accurate to
self-assess, because I thinkwhat happens is we have this
idea well, but no, I I'm like amarathon runner, I am a you know
crossfitter, I'm a competitivekickboxer.
It's like well, you were, and Ithink there's a part of that
that is, that you can't removethat part of you.
(04:39):
No doubt it's been thefoundation of your being, but if
the objective truth is thatit's been 10 years since you've
done any of those things and inthat 10 year period you've like
gotten a busier job or you'vestarted a family or you've just
like taking your eye off yourgame, I think the the goal is to
assess that and make sure thatyou don't just go back and try
(05:00):
to like pick up where you leftoff.
But give yourself a littlegrace to either a ramp back up
to that over you know period oftime or be entertain the idea
that maybe there's somethingthat's more appropriate for you
at this stage of your life?
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Yeah, without question.
Like you know, I think it comes.
Just, this is a process thatprobably happens with every
stage of life and you know, likemy mom's older, she had me
pretty late in the game and youknow she started just using a
rollator, which is like thoselike kind of not quite a walker,
but those like walking rollerwalkers With the tennis balls in
the front.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
No, no, that's like a legit walker.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Okay okay, the rollator is like that, has like
the little like almost like aseat, but it just rolls as you
walk, whereas a walker is like aclink clink.
Okay, clink clink, yeah you know.
And so she finally accepted itand she's had all types of hip
and knee replacements and alltypes of stuff.
But you know, like mentally itwas like hard for her.
Yeah she's, she's probablyneeded it for so many years and
has resisted it for so long, andso I feel like it's just a
(05:58):
process of life where we don'twant to get older.
We don't want to get older, wedon't want to accept that the
youth is gone and it's nevergoing to come back, and the
things that we were able,capable and the identity more
importantly, right To thosethings that we did when we were
younger and we're just going togo with that right now and those
(06:18):
things that are more accessible, is like it's hard to let go.
We don't want to do it Right.
And there is a whole thing LikeI get it, like you accept
defeat and that's it right.
You take the role later and nowyou have a walker and now
you're in a wheelchair and nowyou decline because you don't
care and you don't try, and Iget that.
That's a potential path.
But at the same time, likeshe's in less pain because she's
using this thing Right.
(06:38):
I see through her, the process.
I think of what we're talkingabout.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Because it's a spectrum.
It's a spectrum, it's not justeither you're like young or
you're old.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
You're just not all of a sudden like 80 and fucking
decrepit.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
No, it's from like 35 to like death.
It's just this like spectrum of, like readjusting.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Readjusting, and this is barring no major injury or
something, so it things.
So it's like you know, imagine,like I remember in college that
we talked about the whole likepsychological component of an,
of an athlete that goes througha major injury and the
depression and the things thatcome with like your whole
identity is taken away from you,and so that's like you know,
barring all that, I think thereis just having this kind of real
like have to kind of like alook in the mirror and readjust
(07:20):
your approach to your goal yeahand you know, and I think you
know to honor, there's a broadspectrum of like.
I think consistency is whatmatters most, and there's lots
of ways to have a generally fitand healthy lifestyle.
None of them are always have tobe like reps and sets in a gym.
You know, if you want amountain bike or surf, that's
great, totally, and I do thinkthat there's a certain joy
(07:41):
component.
But I think fundamentally itit's like honoring what is it
that you know would serve youthe best?
And, exactly like you weresaying, the consistency matters.
So what is going to make thatconsistently accessible for you?
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Right, because, like if you fancy yourself as a power
lifter and that's what you didin your 20s and 30s, and then
now you just keep finding that,man, my back is just always
tweaked, I'm always having torecover, and you're 40, you got
to ask yourself like is theresomething else that you could
allow into your life that givesyou 80 of that satisfaction,
(08:17):
right, but only takes 20 of thetoll on your body that you know
may not be what you'veidentified as, whether that's
like a endurance athlete, amartial artist, a power lifter,
a bodybuilder, like whatever.
It's a different set of lifts,but but something, yeah, but
like if.
But now it's like if.
Is there something that we cando that would encourage, what
(08:40):
would allow for more consistency?
Because, like you know uh, casein point and totally so like
last year around january, I kindof had this like thing.
I'm like I've just been like inthe gym lifting weights for
many years now, but I waskickboxer in my 20s.
I've always been like, I'vebeen like constantly doing two
(09:03):
days, always lifted weights, andthen we'd open up the crossfit
gym in our late 20s.
We were doing like crossfitcompetitions in addition to
training.
It just felt like there'salways like athletics in my life
of some degree, you know,especially as an adult.
Then I went to this likestretch, there's just nothing,
and I'm like that's it, like I'mI'm.
At the time I was like 38, I'mlike'm 38.
I'm not over the hill yet.
(09:24):
I'm going to go join this beachvolleyball league Turned into
this whole thing, ballooned tothis.
I'm doing tournaments nowbecause I picked it up quickly.
I was kind of good.
I'm tall, so it worked.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
I just really enjoyed it.
It was so much fun.
I met friends.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
It's social, it's got all the text and you go you go
talk about it, about like ahappy life, totally.
It was so much fun.
And then, like you know, I didthis like back-to-back leagues
and tournaments and I was likegetting good.
It was like I was like this isfun, like let's go like ah,
what's that little ache pain inmy knee?
anyways, long story short, byseptember, full-on gnarly
(10:02):
patellar tendonitis, akajumper's knee, went to the
doctor.
It was so bad I had to get likex-rays and they're just like.
It's just tendonitis.
Man, I'm like man.
I have never felt tendonitislike, really that is gnarly.
I could have sworn.
I just had grinded down mymeniscus or something but yeah
you're like.
Well, they're like you, besideshaving like stage two um
osteoarthritis and your kneewhich is normal for a man your
(10:25):
age I'm just like thanks,they're like.
You know, it's just tendonitis,you just gotta give it time.
Took six months and then duringthat six month period couldn't
really exercise my legs.
Much was kind of limping aroundit was gnarly anyways and then.
So then this year was like, okay, I can't do beach volleyball
anymore, but let me do somethingthat does it.
That's not like jumping jujitsu, that makes sense, it's fun,
it's cool.
Here we are approaching, youknow, october of this year now
(10:48):
and I've, like so far, had threekind of decent injuries through
jujitsu this year and likeevery time I do it, it's like I
gotta take a month off of weightlifting, or at least I have to
baby the weights, and so there'sno progression in my weight
training.
And it's just, you know, it'sjust.
I'm just kind of getting tothat point where I'm like man
should the game like okay, likeI got to find something.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
I mean, I think the takeaway is don't try anything
new.
Yeah, the takeaway is don't doany intramural sports, you know,
but I know, but I think it iskind of the fact that, like you
know one I really respect,because I don't, you know, I
guess not a vulnerable share.
But it's like I don't fuckingdo any of that, I don't try new
sports, and I think that's whyyou didn't have any tendonitis,
(11:33):
so I really respect the kind ofwillingness to put, because it's
time and effort too it's notjust like you got to be
vulnerable.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
You know, you're with new people and start from the
beginning.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Yeah, and I think there's the rewards and joys
like with the volleyball thatcomes with it as well so I
respect your pursuit of that,but it's kind of like we're
talking about like there mightbe a point where, like as
someone who is now middle-agedofficially that you know, maybe
jujitsu isn't the place to start, and, like you, know, and it's
either like you love it so much,it's so much a lifeblood, that
(12:03):
you have to do it and maybeprogress into it slower or take
your time, or then startrehabbing and spending time
outside of the dojo to make sureyour joints are acclimated and
ready and really going down thatrabbit hole, yeah.
Or it's like okay, well, maybe Ijust can't jump into jiu-jitsu
at 40.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Yeah, I think that is exactly right.
Can't jump into jiu-jitsu at 40?
Yeah, I think that exactlyexactly right.
You know, like, had I done, hadme or anyone you know in this
case started maybe a five or tenyears ago and kind of gotten
over that initial adaptationhump, it's a little bit
different.
Your body's more equipped andcertainly I, there's no doubt I
could get there eventually.
It's just kind of at what cost?
Yes, and you know, for me it'slike weight lifting is important
(12:42):
and I don't want to keepshowing up each week to my
weight training sessions andhave to, like, cut out all the
volume in half because myshoulder is jacked from jujitsu.
You know, yeah, yeah, 100%.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
And so it's just those.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
You know it's okay to transition from what used to be
to a thing that you know we canshow up for.
(13:15):
That doesn't beat us up so muchthat maybe we never thought in
a million years that we would bethat guy.
But then the reality is.
Is that you know jujitsu,volleyball, sports,
weightlifting aside?
Like what is the real point ofit all?
Speaker 2 (13:30):
what is the real like goal?
Why are we doing this?
Speaker 1 (13:33):
why we want.
You want to look good, ofcourse, but you want to be
healthy.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
You want to live longer and there's nothing you
want a better quality of lifelike fundamentally, I mean if
you work out.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
If you have like a decent workout a few days a week
, I mean that is the thing youcould eat like shit you could.
Your sleep could be jacked, youcould.
You know all the other thingsin your life can be, you know
not, but if the one thing isjust you're consistently
training, you'd be, surprisedhow far that goes from just a
general health standpoint.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Yeah, it's just there's just no stagnancy.
Yeah, you know it's, there'sthe the.
There's not that dirty pool ofwater at the corner of the Creek
.
Yeah, it's collecting mildew.
Yeah, and the foam, andwhatever.
It is Right and it's, it's's,it's just the truth and I think,
(14:20):
like resistance training isjust such, there's so many
avenues of it.
So, whether you're like goingbody weight and doing like a
gymnastics skill-basedprogressive overload, or you're
just lifting a heavier dumbbell,I think that resistance
training is just undeniablyasking your body to show up and
I think that that wholecontinuum is just going to be
something that is infinitelyaccessible to make your life
better.
And again, it's like I, youknow cause it's like I don't
(14:43):
want to shy away from beinginspired and doing something
that fulfills your life, orlooking for something that
fulfills your life.
You know, in a certain sense,I'm actually kind of going
through a process right nowwhere you know, in a certain
sense, I'm actually kind ofgoing through a process right
now where you know when I firststarted back when I was fucking
15, 16, 17 and on the wrestlingteam it's like I was all about
the calisthenics, dips, push-up,handstand, pull, push-ups,
(15:05):
pull-ups, all the stuff, andthat like progressed into kind
of what I just named, like thatkind of gymnastic skill based
where you're like a new abilitywas based off the gaining of
more strength versus just like,okay, 35 pound dumbbell, 40
pound dumbbell, and it's almostlike I've moved so far into that
(15:26):
classic kind of functionalstrength training world that I
almost like miss the, thecalisic body weight stuff.
And I'm kind of having this,like I can feel this like little
smoldering inside of me, that Imight switch back over there,
because if there is somethingabout the success of a new
position or a new movementthat's inspiring and like no
(15:48):
doubt it's the same thing.
Like, oh, I bench pressed 200pounds and then I bench pressed
215.
And like that feels good, butthere's a certain monotony there
, right, whereas like it's like,oh, like I couldn't do this and
now I can actually do thisthing even if it's, even if it
starts as five push-ups to 10push-ups, to a new kind of
push-up, and so it's just.
I think you know I will see, andit's still just resistance.
(16:10):
Training is what I want to comeback to.
I'm still just asking my bodyto do things that are hard of
heart.
It's hard for it to do, for itto do.
But you know, I do think thereis a component of you know we
got to, we got to do somethingthat's going to be fulfilling as
well, and I think fulfillmentcan come in so many different
forms.
And so it's like I don't.
You know, there's somecomponent of me that wants to
make sure it's not just like dothe boring shit in the gym
(16:35):
Totally, and I think there'salways a progression or
regression, just like you kindof talked about the jiu-jitsu If
you took the time and it reallymattered to you, you could
adapt away in there.
It might take two years, butyou could if you wanted to.
But there is a truth that, likewhat happens in the weight room
or the gym in terms ofconsolidated, chosen exercise in
(16:56):
some capacity, is always goingto be the most accessible thing,
in a way.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
And it's like to your point, like that doesn't mean
it's not a binary of you do theweights or you do the know
impact sport it's, it's a, it'sa continuum of okay, well, how
much of each is it isappropriate?
(17:21):
And then also on a personallevel, like, well, how much am I
willing, how much of either oneam I willing to let go of, in
order to create space in my lifeto not only train in this, in
this area, but then also recoverfrom the training in that area.
And that's like a personalstruggle that I'm in the midst
of right now of just like, okay,like I have this idea that I
(17:41):
want to lift weights five days aweek.
Four days, four or five days aweek would be ideal.
But then, man, I do two jujitsusessions and I'm like
everything hurts and I'm achyand I just have to skip it.
But you know, everything hurtsand I'm achy and I just have to
skip it.
But yeah, it is, it can.
It's like okay, well, what doesone jiu-jitsu session look like
a week?
What is doing two jiu-jitsusessions and maybe only doing
two weight training sessions aweek look?
Speaker 2 (18:01):
right or like how do you have time to then do like
joint rehab?
Speaker 1 (18:04):
yeah, or prehab.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Right, like okay, I want to do two jiu-jitsu
sessions a week, but in order todo that at my age and physical
situation, I have to give timeto be like.
I have to then carve out moretime.
Yeah, so now, maybe one of mytwo weight training sessions a
week goes into like justcomplete, like bulletproofing of
joints, yeah, Because I choosejujitsu, and now it's only one
(18:28):
weight training session a week,right, and I think it's this
kind of continuum that goes backto your age injuries.
You know imbalances in yourbody.
You know kids.
I mean, like you know, neitherof us have kids at the moment
well, that's the thing is.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
You know, that's what inspired this episode, as well
as, like you know, for so manyclients that we have.
It's like I can't say how manytimes you get on these calls
where it's like, you know, I, Iknow what, I know it works for
me, it's, it's.
I think you've had clients likethis too, you know, it's when I
cut out carbs and run like 20miles a week.
It's like when's last we didthat eight years ago.
What's happened from eightyears ago till now?
(19:03):
Well, I got a new job and Ihave family now and it's like
okay, listen, there's a reasonwhy you're not running, you know
20 miles a week anymore.
It like it's just not realisticwith your schedule to commit to
waking up at five so you canget your 40 minute run in every
day.
And so it's like theseconversations that we constantly
keep having with folks.
It's like okay, we want to lose30 pounds, we know that, right.
(19:26):
Okay, we also know that, like,we have like other things that
we would love to do.
Then we all have, we have likethe reality of our life.
We have to kind of find thatvenn diagram of like well,
what's like the sweet spot oflike instead of these two days
that maybe you used to do inyour 20s, but then now we're
doing nothing and because wedon't have time to do two days,
(19:46):
so therefore you don't doanything because there's this
kind of like well, I gotta waituntil I have time to do the
thing that I know worked, butit's like well that you don't
have that time and you and yourkids are five.
So you're saying it's thereason you got 12 more years of
this shit right.
So it's like you know whatabout a 15 minute at home hit
workout three days a week?
Speaker 2 (20:04):
right?
Or what about a 15 minute run,a one run.
One mile running is your thingright, like I get it like, but
now you don't get to do 20 milesa week right, do three miles
right.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Right, like literally , you know, but then it's just
yeah exactly, or it's just a newmodality altogether.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
But like, what is the like it's like?
Can we really be real withourselves?
I think in a lot of ways.
And just like what?
Back to the?
Why do I choose to includefitness in my life specifically,
I gotta think exercise andmovement.
I mean, obviously, this is allapplicable to food and how we
eat as well.
But like, do I choose toinclude this for the just
(20:41):
without question, cause I knowit's going to make me a better
person.
It's going to just make lifebetter.
Whether I hate the time in thegym or I love mountain biking or
whatever it is, do I choose todo it what's accessible and just
keeping it real.
About that, I think TotallyBecause, understandably, like
life comes at you, it's hardLike if you've got one, two,
(21:02):
three seven kids.
You know you got four jobs.
No, but really, really, reallythough it's.
You know I have a client thatbrings his kids to the studio.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
That's cool.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Yeah, and I'm so grateful in a way that I have
that ability to let him do that.
But, like that's, the realtruth of his life is that if
that wasn't an option, hewouldn't be in the gym.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, and you know it'd be veryeasy to just not want to bring
your kids and then therefore notgo to the gym.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
I mean that's and you know, and again, I think that
it's like the inertia.
One quote I heard from some bookI listened to many years ago.
I couldn't tell you who or when,but the quote that stuck out
was never break the chain ofhabit.
You know, everything hasmomentum and everything has
(21:51):
inertia, inertia and it's likeconstantly the better you can
get at acclimating in real timeto the moment and not having it
be this all or nothing decisionthat you do or you don't, but
just always it's like die.
It's like constantly in themoment dialing up and dialing
down.
Okay, you know, like case inpoint, like instead of it just
(22:13):
being like well, well, I can'tdo my workouts, I can't go to
the gym because we move thegym's 30 minutes away now and
you know I just can't.
I don't have two hour block inmy day to go work out, so I
haven't worked out in months.
It's like it's like the betterwe can get at just recognizing
kind of seeing the crystal ball,seeing around the corner sooner
, seeing that potentiality, andthen acclimating in real time,
(22:37):
being like let me just ordersome resistance bands, let me
just like get something moving,even if it's just 15-minute
workouts at home 10-minute walk,because once you break that
chain of habit, man.
A month goes by so fast and whenyou have not worked out in a
month, like Tanya just wentthrough.
This was we were traveling andthen she got sick.
She was traveling for work fora week or two so she couldn't go
(22:59):
her boot camps in the morning.
Then we went on a vacation for10, 11 days, indulgence travel,
and then we then she got sick,right, so it was a month and
then sickness is just, oh man.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
And it was a brutal habits for antibiotics, so you
know, here she was for ninemonths, going to nine months,
nine months.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Well, she had, she had, she had started in january
this year, had gone basicallythree or four days a week.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Yeah, you know, counting her calories of doing
yeah, of going to the boot campsix am.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
no, no, no, it's the boot camps 6 am boot camps.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
I thought you were talking about 9 months off.
No, okay, yeah, 6 am boot campsfor 9 months, so big block of
consistency.
Right, like your body's in theflow now, dude she shredded like
15 pounds body fat.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
She's like feeling good, feeling good, but man,
it's just.
But this is what happens.
This is how it goes.
It's like boom, you know, work,trip, vacation, got sick.
Boom, boom, boom, the stack.
So that was one month of time.
Right there, you're alreadygoing to see a huge decline in
fitness after a month.
But then the inertia of justnot going and the fear of how
(24:04):
hard that class is going to bethe first one back.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
How different it is.
It rolled into another month itwas two months now.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
She finally went back this week and of course she's
so sore she can't walk, but yeahI kept saying I'm like, come in
here with me, just do 10minutes, just so any hard, but
she had this like no, has to bethe boot camp that I'm going to
have you know it's, it's, it'shard man, it's.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
I mean, I, I I definitely fall victim to this
pattern where life will happento me, because life always
happens and I'll definitely getderailed.
I fall into this lull and Ijust witnessed myself in the
lull where there's like nothinghappening and I'm just like fuck
dude, I did it again.
And it's like happened enoughtimes, where now it's like fuck,
(24:48):
I'm back, how'd.
I step back in this stillness,yes, and I'm like and I know
that I'm going to be so sore Ican't walk.
I know it's this like now.
It's not like, it's just likeeven like the little trickle.
It wasn't like the faucetwasn't even dripping.
It's like now that the faucet'soff, it's like fuck man, I
gotta, and.
But the mental game of being ata complete stop and coming back
(25:24):
is just such a wild thing.
It is.
It is such a wild thing.
I mean I'm in it kind of rightnow.
I've been in a stagnancy whereI just can't seem to choose to
be consistent with it.
It's not nothing, but I'm notin that flow.
And it's become such a thingnow where I'm just so in my head
about it and it's just likemotherfucker here I am like yet
(25:46):
again.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
I'm like well, here I am again, and there's no like,
there's no solution other thanjust doing just biting the
bullet.
Yeah, it's just getting it.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
It's like face the music, all these little quotes,
all these little soliloquies andit's like, yep, you know, yeah,
and it is funny because it'sjust there is just no way around
it, and it's all the fears andit's all the how much fitness
I've lost and how my heart isgoing to be, and who am I and
can I even do this, and all thatyou know, like all the, all the
scary thoughts yeah, you know.
(26:16):
So, if you, if you ever have ahard time out there, folks, it's
not alone, you're not alonestatistically, I think 90 of
people.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
Yeah, like it's tend to lose all their progress
within five year period of anysort of major transformation and
like it just takes a verystrong will to keep coming at
things with childish curiosity,with the beginner's mind of just
like I'm gonna like, if you'vedone a hundred six week
(26:45):
weightlifting, progressiveoverload cycles, the hundred and
one, just so easy, just be like, yeah, okay, this and this and
whatever.
But it's like the ability tolike get excited about the thing
that you've done a thousandtimes over again, yeah, and it's
just kind of reinventing it andlike, and then you know, I
think the spirit of this episodeis like being okay to adjust,
(27:06):
yeah, if the thing that you'vedone for a long time and you've
identified with you start in theback of your mind like it's
just not serving you as much asyou had thought.
Like entertaining the idea ofadopting a new style of training
.
At this point I'm pretty muchexclusively doing like what
would you, what you wouldconsider classic bodybuilding?
Yeah, and I'm not a bodybuilder, but it's just a way for me to
(27:30):
be consistent.
That is so low bar withintensity, because every set I'm
taking a minute and a halfbreak afterwards you know, it's
not like jujitsu, where youliterally feel a little like
fear in your you know you feelthe fear before each class
because, you're about to sparanother man who wants to choke
you?
Speaker 2 (27:47):
It's a battle.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Whose intention is to make you tap out?
Yeah, like spar or whatever, orgoing to a 6 am boot camp where
it's so easy to cancel.
I didn't sleep.
It's raining outside.
I'm still sore from the otherone.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
I haven't done it in a week.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
There's a million reasons you can cancel a 6am
boot camp.
Don't fucking want to do it,you know.
But like when you lower thebarrier of entry a little bit
and you kind of make it likesuch a no-brainer, like yeah, of
course I'm gonna do a 40 minuteyou know workout in my home or
a 10 minute I mean circuit in myliving room even like three
sets of 10 push-ups, because Ithink that's where I get caught
up is.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
It is like it like avoiding that all or nothing of
like well, I gotta do a solidworkout right.
And it's like going back tothat like just any type of
current right, even if thewindow is cracked and there's
just a little bit of air comingthrough just some type of
movement momentum, so that's nota dead stop.
Yeah, just don't break thechain of habit just don't break
(28:43):
the chain of habit.
And so it's like, literallysometimes I'm just like, oh,
it's so stupid, like I'm gonnado three sets of 10 push-ups,
but when I find myself in theseplaces where I've come to a
standstill, sometimes that isliterally where, and it's almost
like this weird place from likewell, this is stupid and it
means nothing and therefore whybother.
And then I stay still, whereas,like sometimes it is, it's like
okay, let's just do.
(29:04):
You know, like the other day Ihad Amanda, just be, you know.
There's this whole.
I'm gonna get woken up and justI was just like three sets,
it's like 20 jumping jacks and15 mountain climbers per leg,
just do it at a pace as quicklyas you can, don't rush, but just
like even that, and she's likeI feel great now, you know, and
it and it's so simple and sosilly, and maybe three sets of
(29:25):
pushups just seems like it doesnothing and it might not mean
you're going to be fit from it,but it does kind of keep the
momentum.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
It keeps a toehold on your fitness.
But also, I think I'veexperienced personally where,
like, I'll tell myself okay, I'mtired, I don't know, all right,
I'm just gonna do three sets ofname your movement and that's
all I'm gonna do for this bodypart today, and that's good
enough.
But then what you?
What I've realized is that it'sa, it's a trip wire, yeah, yeah
.
And I trick myself into sayingand that gets me to just start,
(29:55):
I'm not gonna do the full, youknow hour-long thing, I'm just
gonna do.
I got it, I'm just gonna one upand just do easy three sets and
I'm done.
And then, of course, three setslater, your hormones are
flowing, your muscles are pumped, your joints are loose, you
feel good and you're like allright, I can do the rest of it.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
Yeah, I can do this.
I can do a little bit more.
It's no big deal.
I got 10 more minutes.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
Yeah, like trick permission to just like
completely trick yourself.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
Ham and the garlic, ham and the garlic yeah, you
give yourself what you want, oryou give yourself what you need
you gotta give yourself a littleham, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
Totally, and that goes for you know everything.
It sure does.
But yeah, All right.
Well, I think that pretty muchsums it up.
Yeah, I think that's a good one.
Yeah, that was a good one, justkind of a more philosophical
approach to your fitness livesand that, like you don't like
holding yourself at such a highstandard is pretty much set.
You're setting yourself up forsome degree of failure when,
(30:46):
inevitably, life becomes lifeand, like we live in a culture
where it's like suck it up, workharder, no one cares, you know,
and there's certain quality, Ithink, of just like not being
too soft when it comes toholding yourself to a standard,
but also recognizing thatnothing matters if we're not
consistent in life.
And so if you find that thethings you're, the standards
you're trying to hold yourselfto just consistently come at
(31:09):
odds with the realities of yourlife and you consistently have
to put some like, put yourfitness on the back burner
because you can't live up to thearbitrary expectations that
you've set for yourself, thatadjusting those expectations
down, even just temporarily, sothat you can maintain
consistency, is the number one,most important thing.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Yeah right, Whether it's that you have an exercise
in three months or you findyourself at 63 or you've had a
major injury or all of a suddenyou had your second kid, like
whatever it is you just.
I mean that was very articulate.
Thank you Quite surprised.
40 looks good on you.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
My brain's only half deteriorated, all right, guys.
Well, thanks for tuning in.
We'll check you all next weekfor episode 39.
Almost the 4-0.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Almost we're chasing it All right Later.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
Guys, Peace out Peace .
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