February 18, 2025 • 26 mins
Could the carnivore diet be the key to better health, or is it just another passing trend that oversimplifies nutrition? Join us as we unravel the truth behind this controversial eating style, exploring both its allure and potential dangers. We'll share personal experiences and insights into how this diet impacts everything from weight and skin to cholesterol levels, helping to separate fact from fiction in the noisy world of diet fads.
As we journey through the carnivore craze, we'll examine why this diet has gained mainstream popularity and how it provides a sense of belonging to those transitioning from processed foods. You'll hear about the pragmatic approaches some take, like incorporating keto-friendly foods, and the tribal appeal that makes this diet so enticing. However, we challenge the idea of labeling vegetables as toxic and stress the need for a balanced view on nutrition, urging listeners to make informed choices rather than blindly following trends.
Navigating the complex landscape of dietary changes can be daunting, especially when faced with conflicting information about fiber and micronutrients. With insights from both personal and scientific perspectives, we'll highlight the risks associated with restrictive diets like carnivore, questioning their sustainability and potential long-term health impacts. Emphasizing the benefits of dietary fiber and the importance of trusting science over anecdotes, we aim to equip you with the knowledge needed to make healthier dietary decisions.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Too much meat can kill you.
You go on carnivore.
All of a sudden you do feelbetter, you're losing weight,
maybe your skin clears up, maybeyou're sleeping better.
Then you go and get a bloodtest.
The doctor's like well, so yourA1Cs are down, your blood sugar
levels are down, but yourcholesterol is through the roof.
If a diet has a name run,mentorship is important.
But today we're gonna bechatting a little bit, but
(00:20):
everyone's just in it.
Right now they're just doingthe fucking carnivore thing.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
It is very, very popular.
It is crazy.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Welcome to episode 49 of Coach's Corner with Justin
and Ethan.
I am Coach Justin and I amCoach Ethan.
And today, folks, we're goingto just share our two cents on
the carnivore diet.
The carnivore diet is all therage these days.
Before we get into that, incase you don't know who we are,
let's introduce ourselves.
We are essentially just yourtrainers.
(00:57):
For the last 20 years, we'vebeen doing everything from.
You know we've owned gymstogether.
We work with people one-to-onewith nutrition, coaching,
lifestyle overhaul.
Currently, ethan has a studio,a gym, in West Hollywood,
california.
I have a business online wherewe help people get organized
with their nutrition.
You know we've been doing thisfor a long time, so we've come
together to make this show toyou know, help distill some of
(01:21):
the noise out there and give youguys a little bit more clarity
and, hopefully, information.
You can make better decisionsfrom on, simplifying your path
to fitness, whatever that endgoal may be for you.
But that's what Coach's Corneris all about.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
That's right.
Knowledge is power, knowledgeis power.
Guys, train the fat.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Mentorship is important.
It's like everything that we'resaying you guys could all learn
on your own in the next threeto five years.
Yeah, or you can invest, youcan hire someone like us.
This isn't a sales pitch.
I don't care if you work withme or not, you know actually I
do click the link.
But I'm kidding.
But uh, I don't care if youclick the link in the bio and
sign up for my free.
(02:01):
No, I'm kidding, I don't havethat.
But like there is no link,there is no.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
That's how you know.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
We have not put any sort of links or clicks or
anything in any of this stuff.
We don't do any calls to action.
We're literally just here tobuild an audience and to build
trust with you guys and whoknows, maybe in the future we'll
create some sort of a programtogether, but for now this is
(02:30):
coming together and truly justum.
You know, provide some value toyou guys.
But today we're gonna bechatting a little bit about the
carnivore diet and if you listento our keto episode, there
might be some crossover there.
Everyone's just in it right now.
They're just doing the fuckingcarnivore thing.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
It is very, very popular.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
It is crazy you know what all great fad diets have in
common?
What's that?
A catchy name.
Catchy name caveman diet.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Caveman carnivore diet carnivore carnivore has
such a like.
Oh, the carnivore carnivore.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
I want to be a connotation of the animal, the
keto growling even though, like,keto is just short for
ketogenic, which is a state thatyou are in after not having any
glucose in your body for awhile, but still, keto is just
kind of it's snappy, it's crisp,it just kind of rolls off the
tongue, you know.
Of course I'm keto, but youknow, but that's the thing.
(03:14):
So an old mentor of mine saidif a diet has a name run, like
if there's a name to it, justdon't do it.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Paleo.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
No, like if there's a name to it, just don't, don't
do it.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Paleo, no, paleolithic I mean yeah of all
of them.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Actually, I think paleo, because you got tubers
and fruits and veggies andyou're just, you're just
avoiding grain which I don'tactually think anything wrong
with grain but from just likegeneral guidelines and just
eating whole foods and singleingredient foods.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
It's, it's pretty pretty.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Yeah, hard to get fat if you're just eating lean
proteins you're gonna be, if you, if you truly do paleo you're
gonna be healthy.
There's nothing wrong with that.
I have no beef with that, nopun intended.
Paleocom out ethan wolf yeah,slap forward.
Slash ethan wolf, get 15 offyour first order but uh,
carnivore diet, though thisone's, this one one's really
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causing quite the stir in thefitness community because there
are some very obvious like ifyou know anything about
nutrition, meaning that you'renot just a zealot or you haven't
just hitched your wagon ontosome like dogma, but you've
actually like taken the time tolook at some studies and follow
the evidence and the data andactually read clinical trials
(04:25):
and practice, perhaps on yourown or with other clients.
Like, if you've gone down thatroute, you're going to have some
objections with carnivore.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
If you're just more of like a sensationalist, like
more dogmatic, and that allsounds very negative.
But you know it's like it'd behard to be a very like pragmatic
practitioner and still advocatefor carnivore generally fully I
would agree.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
You know what I mean there's just so many things.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
There's just there's just so many holes in it, but
yet it's catchy and it'smainstream, and that's what
people are doing.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
People lose weight on it, they feel good on it I
think that's the thing you knowthere, so it's not to say it's
not effective, for reasons thatare any other eating style that
would have you lose weight wouldbe effective, you know, and so
I think, like one of the thingsI think because, like, I belong
to, purposely belong to, like afacebook carnivore page, just to
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you know, I like to hang outwith your friends.
Yeah, my friends build a littlecommunity see if I can get some
more subscribers to paleo slashfor now.
But, um, just to kind of seewhat people are eating and see
what the general liketemperature of the room is, and
like I'll go in the comments offa post sometimes and just see
what people one.
It's very interesting is that alot of people eat avocado and
(05:44):
there's this huge thing, yeah,where people are like you're not
fucking carnivore but they'rereally just doing keto in a
sense, in that capacity.
But what I would say is that Ithink the foods that people are
allowed to eat on carnivorewhich is beef, steak, eggs,
bacon, cheese are generallythings that people like to eat,
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right, like most americans atleast, will be happy to eat a
steak and some eggs and somebacon and some sour cream it's
like the anti-health food dietyeah and so, but at the same
time they are, in a lot of way,whole, whole foods, and so if
you've been going and eatingfrozen pizzas and getting fast
food and doing things of thatnature and then all of a sudden
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you actually start toparticipate with your own food,
cook your own food andessentially cook single
ingredient foods outside ofmaybe, like cheese, but even
then I think one of the reasonsthat people take a good turn is
because there's like the carrotat the end of the stick of
eating these delicious foodsLike, oh, I get to eat a steak
for dinner and for breakfast,and eggs all the time with
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cheese on them.
Oh, that sounds amazing.
And then that is what actuallymotivates them to switch off of
a high processed diet or a dietthat's might just not be
balanced and maybe full of sugarand sodas and candy or any all
these things.
So it's like this huge sweepwhere you're probably, for most
people, eliminating a lot of badfoods for a typical american
diet, introducing a lot ofsingle ingredient foods that are
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very tasty, and it's sodogmatic that you actually stick
with it, and so I think that'skind of.
For me, one of the things I seeis the appeal to carnivore and
why it works for people isbecause it's this culture, so
you buy in and that means you'reconsistent, part of a tribe.
Part of a tribe, it's foods Ilove to eat.
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I get to eat bacon and eggs allthe time it eliminates the
burden of choice 100%.
You don't got to think very hardand then, fundamentally, most
likely you'll put yourself insome type of caloric restriction
, so you end up losing weight.
You do kind of probablystabilize into ketones after a
while, so you have consistentenergy.
And I would say most of thesepeople are not avid athletes or
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exercisers, they're just normalpeople, from what I witnessed,
that are just going on the diet,and so I think that's kind of
like the the shine to the appleof it all.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
It's just like.
It's almost like the theextremer, like more extreme
version of keto.
Really right.
I mean with the exception ofvegetables and look, we were
talking about earlier.
The thesis here is that theonly sort of like pure food,
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without any sort of liketoxicity or preservatives or
anything like that, is just meat.
Right, that's the idea.
That's the theory with carnivorediet is that meat is just the
purest thing to have you know,and I think for a lot of people
that could make sense, and yougo yeah, okay.
Now, of course, the problem iswith that argument.
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It's a very bottom-up approachto coming to a conclusion, to
drawing conclusions.
In other words well, broccolihas whatever the sort of like
microtoxins are in there.
Yeah, this is sulfurs andsulfurics, yeah, so broccoli has
that and that is toxic,therefore and toxicity is is bad
(09:05):
.
Therefore, broccoli must be bad,yeah, but of course it's like
well, what level of that isthere really in it?
What about all the positivethings that something like
broccoli with really highsoluble dietary fiber provides?
You're missing the forest tothe trees in that example, and
but that's sort of the what Imeant earlier in the show of
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like if you've actually takenthe time to like understand
nutrition in its totality,you're gonna have issue in
general with just blindlyprescribing a carnivore diet to
somebody, right?
Yeah, but I think to your pointlike, listen, like, if you're
like extremely overweight andthis is the argument we made for
keto, and we both neither of usdo keto, neither of us would
recommend keto necessarily butthe argument would be like
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listen, if you're just not goingto do anything else and you're
not going to count calories,you're fully on the standard
american diet of just like grossprocessed food.
You know what?
If this helps you like get awayfrom fries and pizzas and
pastries and you do end uplosing weight, like there, there
(10:11):
probably is quantifiable healthbenefits.
So I I sympathize with peoplewho have done something like a
like carnivore or keto, becausein my mind the only there's
really not that much difference.
The the difference, of course,is just no vegetable.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
So in that sense, like keto is probably better no,
keto is definitely better andketo has its place again for
certain things, but for overall,just like weight loss and.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
But you know I sympathize, I sympathize with
people who, let's say you'rediabetic, let's say you're
pre-diabetic, and let's say youare really overweight and you go
on carnivore right and all of asudden you do feel better
because you're just for thefirst time in however long your
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body is like metabolizing theamount of food that you're
consuming.
You're losing weight, maybeyour skin clears up, maybe
you're sleeping better.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Yeah, you just don't have any variance in your blood
sugar.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
But then you go and get a blood test.
The doctor's like, well knowyou're, so your a1c's are down,
your blood levels are down, butyour cholesterol is through the
roof.
It's like you don't.
Like I, I sympathize where youfinally have done something and
that have actually gotten you aresult, and now you're being
told that it's unhealthy andthere's other risk factors.
So, like you know, I canunderstand why that would be
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hard to like and why you and whyyou would want to defend what
you've done and stick and dig inyour heels even more with that.
The good news is that you know.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
If that was your case , cholesterol is really easy to
treat you know, yeah, and youknow again it's like 10 of your
cholesterol comes from dietary.
You know intervention so it'slike if you already have high
cholesterol, it's going to begenetic.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
The 10 makes a difference, but fundamentally
yeah and it's a person by person, like genetic dependent, right
like you're gonna have to belike, have zero issues with a
full-blown you know keto orcarnivore approach where they
eat five eggs a day, hammering200 grams of fat every day, and
they're just fine, you know?
And you're going to haveanother person that, like they,
(12:05):
might be at very high risk forheart disease.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
And that's yeah.
That's why it's like there's notwo.
Humans are alike.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
It's impossible.
So you know there's definitelylike we're not here to just
blanketly state that this isunhealthy and you shouldn't do
it Like there's obviously somepotential for upside and benefit
, then you shouldn't do it Likethere's obviously some potential
for upside.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Yeah, absolutely I mean I think.
Yeah, I think sustained energylevels from not from being in a
ketogenic state or having fat asa primary energy source
probably feels very good forpeople and, if you've ever done
it, there is a certain mentalclarity and sharpness and
presence that feels good thatprobably people aren't used to.
And, like you said, thesimplicity is there.
It's easy.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
You don't used to and , like you said, the simplicity
is there, it's easy, you don'thave to think it's tasty and if
it gets you to lose weight, youknow that's, you know that's.
Another thing too is like whenyou look at these meta studies,
where they aggregate all thesedifferent studies and they track
people, you know, for 10, 20,30 years.
The number one risk factor forpremature death is just obesity
you know, that's the common it'slike.
So another side of that coin islike people.
It's like smaller people justtend to live longer.
They just do.
And so if the trade-off is, youhave to get on like cholesterol
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medicine, but it's a way foryou to like get your BMI back
down to normal range.
Yeah, pros and cons.
You know it's not so squeakyclean all the time with health.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
And if that's the way it's got to be for you to just
be able to handle it.
Then you know what.
It's.
Not the worst thing.
Not the worst thing, maybe youshould try a zempic.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Try that or in this.
But the funny thing is is nowcompared to carnivore diet.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Like, just do keto in that case, because the issue
that we would have withcarnivore is that there's no
fucking vegetables, vegetables,yeah, and just to be clear, if
anybody's not exactly sure, socarnivore is literally only
eating animal product, justmeats, zero plants, no avocado
allowed to drink milk, I believeand cheese, because it's all
animal.
So dairy is allowed, butotherwise it's just just animals
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, it's like you know, living ona farm in kazakhstan.
Yeah, and most people these daysare just eating like muscle
tissue, so it's just like eggssteak.
A lot of people don't eat fish.
I find a lot of people don'teat chicken.
I mean, it's not that you can't, but it tends to.
Seemingly they want that fat.
Yeah, they circles around porkand beef.
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They want that fat.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Yeah, they circle around pork and beef.
They want that fat.
You know that fast energy,right?
Yeah, and eggs.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
They do eat a lot of eggs.
Eggs are very, very prominent,yeah, so you know it's the lack
of vegetables is, yeah,unquestionably why keto would be
a better option in that regard,in my opinion, because, yeah,
the first is that there's lotsof fat-soluble vitamins, or
there are a few, butfundamentally, all your other
vitamins and minerals thatyou're going to be looking for
are going to be coming fromplants.
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So that's something I'vewondered about long-term
Carnivore diet people is exactlywhere does some of your
micronutrient intake come fromif you're not eating any plant
whatsoever, because it's likeyou have your A D?
A D and E, d and e and k.
I mean there are fat solublevitamins, but there's like no
vitamin c in that's true.
(15:08):
Beef nope you know there's.
No, there's maybe.
I mean, I do think there mightbe some mineral content, but not
in the degree that you wouldget right some type of, like a
leafy green or something of thatnature.
So there's a component where Iwonder how that goes long term.
And like could you get scurvy?
Like, is there any form ofvitamin C that comes from
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carnivore?
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Totally dude and, like you know, the guy who wrote
the book the Carnivore Diet Didwe have this conversation.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Yeah, we talked about it, yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
So he denounced it now.
So he like came out and he'slike, I got like, as he was
writing the book, started comingdown with some, some issues,
some some health problems thathe later, by the time the book
was already out and he's alreadydoing the press tours he had.
He's not even doing carnivoreanymore because he's he had he
was having some real issues.
(15:58):
Um, unfortunately I don't care.
Off the top of my head,remember what they are, but I
mean it's easily googleable.
But, um, yeah, the guy fuckingwrote the book is like not doing
it anymore if that doesn't tellyou guys something, you know, I
don't know what would.
Here's the thing there'sanecdotal evidence and there's
then there's clinical trials,right, and it's like as much as
people, as much as like theconsumer, just just has this,
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like it's just so crazy how theyjust don't trust science.
We just live in a weird erawhere, like we would trust an
influencer more than we wouldtrust like science, and it's
like guys like these are PhDlevel.
These are people who they got.
They don't have a dog in thefight.
They're not trying to sell youbooks, they're just trying to
publish research papers.
They work for universities.
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Their whole life is dedicated tolike human performance and
nutrition or whatever, and itturns out that the mortality
rate drop-off is for folks whoeat over 40 grams of dietary
fiber a day is like crazy.
Yeah, every every 10 grams ofdietary fiber.
Fiber you reintroduce, anddietary fiber there's.
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There's soluble, there'sinsoluble.
Insoluble is stuff that yourbody just really can't digest,
has a place, but you know,there's really nothing that your
body, it doesn't ferment inyour intestinal system, it
doesn't break down, it just kindof like, literally it's like
sticks, like baby roughage thatjust kind of passes through.
Yeah, and then there's soluble,which is you get from like
fruits and vegetables thatferment and feed the bacteria
flora oats and it clears yourgut out.
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You know it's like every 10grams of soluble fiber, dietary
fiber you introduce into yourdiet like increases the chances
of you living healthy for by 10.
So if you're eating 10 10 gramsof fiber a day which probably
most people are sub 10 and youbring that up to like 40 grams
or 50 grams of dietary fiber aday, you've just like increased
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the chances of you aging healthyby like 30 or 40, which is
massive over the long haul.
And just think about, like therate of of colon cancer with
young people right now.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
That's what I was going to say.
Yeah, so, like there's thisbeen huge upsurge of colon
cancer in, you know, individualsthat are like under 40.
It's crazy, never before seen.
And what they one of the thingsthey equated it to was this
increase in carnivore stylediets and the removal of
vegetables and fruits.
And the removal of vegetablesand fruits, and what they found
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is that, like, one of the majorthings is that it's fiber that
actually activates the lining orthe epithelial cells in your
digestive tract to regenerateand reproduce.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
Interesting.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Yeah, without basically introducing fiber, the
surface cells or the surfacelining in your colon, basically
just don't regenerate, they gostagnant, degenerate.
Yeah, and then that obviouslyjust is a compounding effect
that it could eventually lead tocancer.
So you know, it's just one ofthose things that by eliminating
and there's you know all these,I guess.
So it's like leptins areanother one that people get all
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caught up about as one of theanti-nutrients in fruit, and so
you know, the idea with thearguments is that plants have
these protective mechanisms thatare often for insects and
predators that might eat themand things like that.
So there's like leptins andoxycholates or you know whatever
, there's all these compoundsthat will prevent an insect from
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eating it, or some type ofsublevel poison, Even like
sulfur.
Like sulfur is a poison, butthat's commonly found in
broccoli, brussels sprouts,cauliflower, and the argument
for carnivore is that all theseanti-nutrients in the plants are
out to kill us.
They block the absorption ofthis, they disrupt the hormone.
Here the leptins, you know,prevent the breakdown of this.
(19:37):
That and the other and I thinkone of the things is the dosage
of these poisons are some of thethings that matters.
Right, dosage is the poison.
Too much water can kill you.
You can drink enough water todie right, the dosage is the
poison.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
Yeah, so Too much meat can kill you Too much
anything.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
So I think there's just a component that the amount
that we're ingesting when weeat these plants amount that
we're ingesting when we eatthese plants, even if they have
some ping of a negative effecton our body, are so minuscule
comparatively to the positivebenefits of the fiber, of the
water, of the vitamins, theminerals, all the good things
that come along with the fruitsand vegetable family.
And then there's the thing Idon't know like with the
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sulfuric vegetables, that theyactually trigger a poisoning
response in your body, but it'sso low level that your body then
reacts and increases itsproduction of glutathione, which
is like this master antioxidantthat only your body can make.
You can't eat it.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Now I think they have technology where you can eat it
, but you couldn't just eat itand digest it, and as you get
older, your glutathioneproduction levels tend to drop,
which is why people get morehung over when they drink too
much alcohol as they get older,because they just don't have as
much so.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
glutathione is like this master.
You know chemical in the bodyand you know a little broccoli
gets in there and your body'slike, oh shit, quick ramp up the
glutathione, so you know.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
It's adaptation response.
It's like exercise is one stepback it's stress.
Yeah, yeah, it's stress, youknow.
It's like there is a.
I read a post and it was likeimagine something that like
increased cortisol levelsskyrocketed your blood pressure,
and they were like listing allthese like negative things.
(21:13):
Like what if I told you thatthat was good for you and it's
exercise, it's exercise.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
It's exercise.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Right, you know, because you introduce a stressor
and then our bodies adapt.
But again, the dosage is thepoison.
If you train three hours a day,every day, you'd you'd get
rhabdo and you'd have to rushthe emergency room and you might
die.
If you take too much of thetoxins out of broccoli and again
isolated it, you'd kill youexactly, but like a little micro
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dose of whatever sulfur justgives you gives your body an
adaptational response.
We, we, we tend to recoverbetter stronger.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Don't don't swallow a chunk of yellow sulfur mineral.
Don't swallow, yeah, like like,who like.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Who here likes a cup of coffee in the morning?
Great, because 100 milligramsof caffeine is like perfect.
But this much caffeine powderwill kill you, like, like, like,
a little sack of pure caffeinewill kill you.
Yeah, it's like you know.
So you know we can't this.
And this is the issue.
(22:14):
This is the problem with, likesome you know charismatic
influencer who comes on like theyou know liver King who just
starts preaching this kind ofstuff, is that we get kind of
transfixed by it and it's justamazing how many people will
just believe that because of howconvincing the person is but
it's like I understand that thathumans, our minds, default to
(22:40):
being very binary.
Good or bad, right or wrong, yesor no, the it, but life is a
continuum life is a spectrum andit's like how much?
Uh, you know, if you have a fewbroccoli sprigs in your salad,
like that is not a dosage that'sgoing to kill you.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
You have a half a plate of broccoli.
There's just there.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
It's just being a little bit more growth mindset
oriented.
Just thinking a little bit moredeeply about this, you know,
could this help some people?
Yes, I think so, the downsidebeing, you know, if you're not
getting dietary fiber, you'reprobably not going to be pooping
as often.
And if the whole point ofavoiding vegetables was to avoid
the toxins, well, guess what'sgoing to happen in your colon if
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you're not pooping enough.
That's like if you want todetox, get regular with your
poop, yeah, 100% Right.
But if it's just sitting therefor days and days because you're
just eating nothing but fattymeats and cheeses and there's no
fiber Bleaching back into you.
It's just holding in your colon.
It doesn't take a proctologistto know that that's probably not
a good thing.
We got to keep that moving baby.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
That's the primary excretory system here.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
There's your detox and so it's just to button it up
.
It's like if that style of lifeand dieting makes sense to you,
then at least just go the lessextreme version of it and do
like a keto or the less extremeversion of that and do like a
paleo if it just.
If you just need like hardparameters and just like you
(24:07):
don't want to count calories,you don't want to weigh food, I
get it, that's fine.
But the thing is is there'sother ways to get the whatever
benefits this has?
Yes, you can get the samebenefits without eliminating
things that we knowscientifically conclusive that
are also beneficial, that are soimportant to your longevity
meta studies showing leafy,green and fibrous vegetables
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increasing lifespan, decreasingbody composition.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
Like it's just there's no way around.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
It, no way around it.
Yeah, eat your salads, eat yourveggies.
Go ahead, hammer it down.
You want the steak, steak, thesteak, whatever.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Just get a big, big ass salad in there every day,
and it's also I mean likeoutside of, like being like an
emperor or something in the past, like the ability to be a
carnivore, diet in in in theclassic sense that we're doing
it now.
It wasn't available until ofthis crazy surplus.
I mean it's like like the inuit, only ate seal and seal blubber
, because that's all there wasto eat they.
They lived on a.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
They lived in igloos, yeah like an ice sheet, so
that's literally the only thingthey could eat.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
So they were kind of carnivores by necessity.
But like there weren't many.
I mean, obviously meat wasalways revered, but there wasn't
this ability to just eat sixeggs and a steak and bacon every
meal.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
That's a luxury baby.
Yeah, that's a huge luxuryReserve for kings.
Yes, exactly so.
It's just a very modernapplication of circumstance that
somehow like oh yeah, it'sbringing it back, bring it back
to the good old days, like whatthat never happened, like for
for 99.99 of human existence, wewere fucking starving we were
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eating them, tubers.
Let me tell you eating bark,yeah, you know, grasses and I
was like we were just, we wereanimals starving out in the
pasture.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
You know, it's amazing to look at like like
wild broccoli, or wild broccoliis a man-made vegetable, but
like wild asparagus or like.
Look at these like old versionsof the common fruits and
vegetables we eat.
It's like an old apple, likeapples used to be.
These like tiny, almost likecrab apple things.
Like asparagus.
Was this like little twiglooking thing?
Speaker 1 (26:01):
you know, we've just bred.
Now we got these like stocks ofasparagus that are like that
big so yeah, things aredifferent everything's
everything's processed,everything 12 eggs a day, no
problem, everything has beengenetically modified.
like you know.
I'm sorry, guys, but like youcan go and get a farm out in
oregon, grow all your own stuff,but if you're going to
participate in society, we justhave to like let go of this idea
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that we're like somehow gettingback to like our primal
ancestral roots.
It's like I think that shipsailed.
I'm sorry, but you know.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
As you ask, ai, the benefits of the carnivore diet.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
Yeah, how do I get off the grid and live a more
primal life?
Ai, exactly, siri, it's like.
Well, I think this isfundamentally flawed.
Uh, okay, team, so that was 49,correct coach's corner.
Uh, hope you guys enjoyed it.
Let us know in the comments ifyou did and we'll check you all
next time.
Another episode, peace out, bye.
Too much meat can kill you.
You go on carnivore.
All of a sudden you do feelbetter, you're losing weight,
maybe your skin clears up, maybeyou're sleeping better.
Then you go and get a bloodtest.
The doctor's like well, so yourA1Cs are down, your blood sugar
levels are down, but yourcholesterol is through the roof.
If a diet has a name run,mentorship is important.
But today we're gonna bechatting a little bit, but
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everyone's just in it.
Right now they're just doingthe fucking carnivore thing.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
It is very, very popular.
It is crazy.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Welcome to episode 49 of Coach's Corner with Justin
and Ethan.
I am Coach Justin and I amCoach Ethan.
And today, folks, we're goingto just share our two cents on
the carnivore diet.
The carnivore diet is all therage these days.
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Currently, ethan has a studio,a gym, in West Hollywood,
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I have a business online wherewe help people get organized
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You know we've been doing thisfor a long time, so we've come
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and, hopefully, information.
You can make better decisionsfrom on, simplifying your path
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But that's what Coach's Corneris all about.
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coming together and truly justum.
You know, provide some value toyou guys.
But today we're gonna bechatting a little bit about the
carnivore diet and if you listento our keto episode, there
might be some crossover there.
Everyone's just in it right now.
They're just doing the fuckingcarnivore thing.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
It is very, very popular.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
It is crazy you know what all great fad diets have in
common?
What's that?
A catchy name.
Catchy name caveman diet.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Caveman carnivore diet carnivore carnivore has
such a like.
Oh, the carnivore carnivore.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
I want to be a connotation of the animal, the
keto growling even though, like,keto is just short for
ketogenic, which is a state thatyou are in after not having any
glucose in your body for awhile, but still, keto is just
kind of it's snappy, it's crisp,it just kind of rolls off the
tongue, you know.
Of course I'm keto, but youknow, but that's the thing.
(03:14):
So an old mentor of mine saidif a diet has a name run, like
if there's a name to it, justdon't do it.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Paleo.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
No, like if there's a name to it, just don't, don't
do it.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Paleo, no, paleolithic I mean yeah of all
of them.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Actually, I think paleo, because you got tubers
and fruits and veggies andyou're just, you're just
avoiding grain which I don'tactually think anything wrong
with grain but from just likegeneral guidelines and just
eating whole foods and singleingredient foods.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
It's, it's pretty pretty.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Yeah, hard to get fat if you're just eating lean
proteins you're gonna be, if you, if you truly do paleo you're
gonna be healthy.
There's nothing wrong with that.
I have no beef with that, nopun intended.
Paleocom out ethan wolf yeah,slap forward.
Slash ethan wolf, get 15 offyour first order but uh,
carnivore diet, though thisone's, this one one's really
(04:05):
causing quite the stir in thefitness community because there
are some very obvious like ifyou know anything about
nutrition, meaning that you'renot just a zealot or you haven't
just hitched your wagon ontosome like dogma, but you've
actually like taken the time tolook at some studies and follow
the evidence and the data andactually read clinical trials
(04:25):
and practice, perhaps on yourown or with other clients.
Like, if you've gone down thatroute, you're going to have some
objections with carnivore.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
If you're just more of like a sensationalist, like
more dogmatic, and that allsounds very negative.
But you know it's like it'd behard to be a very like pragmatic
practitioner and still advocatefor carnivore generally fully I
would agree.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
You know what I mean there's just so many things.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
There's just there's just so many holes in it, but
yet it's catchy and it'smainstream, and that's what
people are doing.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
People lose weight on it, they feel good on it I
think that's the thing you knowthere, so it's not to say it's
not effective, for reasons thatare any other eating style that
would have you lose weight wouldbe effective, you know, and so
I think, like one of the thingsI think because, like, I belong
to, purposely belong to, like afacebook carnivore page, just to
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you know, I like to hang outwith your friends.
Yeah, my friends build a littlecommunity see if I can get some
more subscribers to paleo slashfor now.
But, um, just to kind of seewhat people are eating and see
what the general liketemperature of the room is, and
like I'll go in the comments offa post sometimes and just see
what people one.
It's very interesting is that alot of people eat avocado and
(05:44):
there's this huge thing, yeah,where people are like you're not
fucking carnivore but they'rereally just doing keto in a
sense, in that capacity.
But what I would say is that Ithink the foods that people are
allowed to eat on carnivorewhich is beef, steak, eggs,
bacon, cheese are generallythings that people like to eat,
(06:07):
right, like most americans atleast, will be happy to eat a
steak and some eggs and somebacon and some sour cream it's
like the anti-health food dietyeah and so, but at the same
time they are, in a lot of way,whole, whole foods, and so if
you've been going and eatingfrozen pizzas and getting fast
food and doing things of thatnature and then all of a sudden
(06:28):
you actually start toparticipate with your own food,
cook your own food andessentially cook single
ingredient foods outside ofmaybe, like cheese, but even
then I think one of the reasonsthat people take a good turn is
because there's like the carrotat the end of the stick of
eating these delicious foodsLike, oh, I get to eat a steak
for dinner and for breakfast,and eggs all the time with
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cheese on them.
Oh, that sounds amazing.
And then that is what actuallymotivates them to switch off of
a high processed diet or a dietthat's might just not be
balanced and maybe full of sugarand sodas and candy or any all
these things.
So it's like this huge sweepwhere you're probably, for most
people, eliminating a lot of badfoods for a typical american
diet, introducing a lot ofsingle ingredient foods that are
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very tasty, and it's sodogmatic that you actually stick
with it, and so I think that'skind of.
For me, one of the things I seeis the appeal to carnivore and
why it works for people isbecause it's this culture, so
you buy in and that means you'reconsistent, part of a tribe.
Part of a tribe, it's foods Ilove to eat.
(07:30):
I get to eat bacon and eggs allthe time it eliminates the
burden of choice 100%.
You don't got to think very hardand then, fundamentally, most
likely you'll put yourself insome type of caloric restriction
, so you end up losing weight.
You do kind of probablystabilize into ketones after a
while, so you have consistentenergy.
And I would say most of thesepeople are not avid athletes or
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exercisers, they're just normalpeople, from what I witnessed,
that are just going on the diet,and so I think that's kind of
like the the shine to the appleof it all.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
It's just like.
It's almost like the theextremer, like more extreme
version of keto.
Really right.
I mean with the exception ofvegetables and look, we were
talking about earlier.
The thesis here is that theonly sort of like pure food,
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without any sort of liketoxicity or preservatives or
anything like that, is just meat.
Right, that's the idea.
That's the theory with carnivorediet is that meat is just the
purest thing to have you know,and I think for a lot of people
that could make sense, and yougo yeah, okay.
Now, of course, the problem iswith that argument.
(08:44):
It's a very bottom-up approachto coming to a conclusion, to
drawing conclusions.
In other words well, broccolihas whatever the sort of like
microtoxins are in there.
Yeah, this is sulfurs andsulfurics, yeah, so broccoli has
that and that is toxic,therefore and toxicity is is bad
(09:05):
.
Therefore, broccoli must be bad,yeah, but of course it's like
well, what level of that isthere really in it?
What about all the positivethings that something like
broccoli with really highsoluble dietary fiber provides?
You're missing the forest tothe trees in that example, and
but that's sort of the what Imeant earlier in the show of
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like if you've actually takenthe time to like understand
nutrition in its totality,you're gonna have issue in
general with just blindlyprescribing a carnivore diet to
somebody, right?
Yeah, but I think to your pointlike, listen, like, if you're
like extremely overweight andthis is the argument we made for
keto, and we both neither of usdo keto, neither of us would
recommend keto necessarily butthe argument would be like
(09:50):
listen, if you're just not goingto do anything else and you're
not going to count calories,you're fully on the standard
american diet of just like grossprocessed food.
You know what?
If this helps you like get awayfrom fries and pizzas and
pastries and you do end uplosing weight, like there, there
(10:11):
probably is quantifiable healthbenefits.
So I I sympathize with peoplewho have done something like a
like carnivore or keto, becausein my mind the only there's
really not that much difference.
The the difference, of course,is just no vegetable.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
So in that sense, like keto is probably better no,
keto is definitely better andketo has its place again for
certain things, but for overall,just like weight loss and.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
But you know I sympathize, I sympathize with
people who, let's say you'rediabetic, let's say you're
pre-diabetic, and let's say youare really overweight and you go
on carnivore right and all of asudden you do feel better
because you're just for thefirst time in however long your
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body is like metabolizing theamount of food that you're
consuming.
You're losing weight, maybeyour skin clears up, maybe
you're sleeping better.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Yeah, you just don't have any variance in your blood
sugar.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
But then you go and get a blood test.
The doctor's like, well knowyou're, so your a1c's are down,
your blood levels are down, butyour cholesterol is through the
roof.
It's like you don't.
Like I, I sympathize where youfinally have done something and
that have actually gotten you aresult, and now you're being
told that it's unhealthy andthere's other risk factors.
So, like you know, I canunderstand why that would be
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hard to like and why you and whyyou would want to defend what
you've done and stick and dig inyour heels even more with that.
The good news is that you know.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
If that was your case , cholesterol is really easy to
treat you know, yeah, and youknow again it's like 10 of your
cholesterol comes from dietary.
You know intervention so it'slike if you already have high
cholesterol, it's going to begenetic.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
The 10 makes a difference, but fundamentally
yeah and it's a person by person, like genetic dependent, right
like you're gonna have to belike, have zero issues with a
full-blown you know keto orcarnivore approach where they
eat five eggs a day, hammering200 grams of fat every day, and
they're just fine, you know?
And you're going to haveanother person that, like they,
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might be at very high risk forheart disease.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
And that's yeah.
That's why it's like there's notwo.
Humans are alike.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
It's impossible.
So you know there's definitelylike we're not here to just
blanketly state that this isunhealthy and you shouldn't do
it Like there's obviously somepotential for upside and benefit
, then you shouldn't do it Likethere's obviously some potential
for upside.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Yeah, absolutely I mean I think.
Yeah, I think sustained energylevels from not from being in a
ketogenic state or having fat asa primary energy source
probably feels very good forpeople and, if you've ever done
it, there is a certain mentalclarity and sharpness and
presence that feels good thatprobably people aren't used to.
And, like you said, thesimplicity is there.
It's easy.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
You don't used to and , like you said, the simplicity
is there, it's easy, you don'thave to think it's tasty and if
it gets you to lose weight, youknow that's, you know that's.
Another thing too is like whenyou look at these meta studies,
where they aggregate all thesedifferent studies and they track
people, you know, for 10, 20,30 years.
The number one risk factor forpremature death is just obesity
you know, that's the common it'slike.
So another side of that coin islike people.
It's like smaller people justtend to live longer.
They just do.
And so if the trade-off is, youhave to get on like cholesterol
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medicine, but it's a way foryou to like get your BMI back
down to normal range.
Yeah, pros and cons.
You know it's not so squeakyclean all the time with health.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
And if that's the way it's got to be for you to just
be able to handle it.
Then you know what.
It's.
Not the worst thing.
Not the worst thing, maybe youshould try a zempic.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Try that or in this.
But the funny thing is is nowcompared to carnivore diet.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Like, just do keto in that case, because the issue
that we would have withcarnivore is that there's no
fucking vegetables, vegetables,yeah, and just to be clear, if
anybody's not exactly sure, socarnivore is literally only
eating animal product, justmeats, zero plants, no avocado
allowed to drink milk, I believeand cheese, because it's all
animal.
So dairy is allowed, butotherwise it's just just animals
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, it's like you know, living ona farm in kazakhstan.
Yeah, and most people these daysare just eating like muscle
tissue, so it's just like eggssteak.
A lot of people don't eat fish.
I find a lot of people don'teat chicken.
I mean, it's not that you can't, but it tends to.
Seemingly they want that fat.
Yeah, they circles around porkand beef.
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They want that fat.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Yeah, they circle around pork and beef.
They want that fat.
You know that fast energy,right?
Yeah, and eggs.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
They do eat a lot of eggs.
Eggs are very, very prominent,yeah, so you know it's the lack
of vegetables is, yeah,unquestionably why keto would be
a better option in that regard,in my opinion, because, yeah,
the first is that there's lotsof fat-soluble vitamins, or
there are a few, butfundamentally, all your other
vitamins and minerals thatyou're going to be looking for
are going to be coming fromplants.
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So that's something I'vewondered about long-term
Carnivore diet people is exactlywhere does some of your
micronutrient intake come fromif you're not eating any plant
whatsoever, because it's likeyou have your A D?
A D and E, d and e and k.
I mean there are fat solublevitamins, but there's like no
vitamin c in that's true.
(15:08):
Beef nope you know there's.
No, there's maybe.
I mean, I do think there mightbe some mineral content, but not
in the degree that you wouldget right some type of, like a
leafy green or something of thatnature.
So there's a component where Iwonder how that goes long term.
And like could you get scurvy?
Like, is there any form ofvitamin C that comes from
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carnivore?
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Totally dude and, like you know, the guy who wrote
the book the Carnivore Diet Didwe have this conversation.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Yeah, we talked about it, yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
So he denounced it now.
So he like came out and he'slike, I got like, as he was
writing the book, started comingdown with some, some issues,
some some health problems thathe later, by the time the book
was already out and he's alreadydoing the press tours he had.
He's not even doing carnivoreanymore because he's he had he
was having some real issues.
(15:58):
Um, unfortunately I don't care.
Off the top of my head,remember what they are, but I
mean it's easily googleable.
But, um, yeah, the guy fuckingwrote the book is like not doing
it anymore if that doesn't tellyou guys something, you know, I
don't know what would.
Here's the thing there'sanecdotal evidence and there's
then there's clinical trials,right, and it's like as much as
people, as much as like theconsumer, just just has this,
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like it's just so crazy how theyjust don't trust science.
We just live in a weird erawhere, like we would trust an
influencer more than we wouldtrust like science, and it's
like guys like these are PhDlevel.
These are people who they got.
They don't have a dog in thefight.
They're not trying to sell youbooks, they're just trying to
publish research papers.
They work for universities.
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Their whole life is dedicated tolike human performance and
nutrition or whatever, and itturns out that the mortality
rate drop-off is for folks whoeat over 40 grams of dietary
fiber a day is like crazy.
Yeah, every every 10 grams ofdietary fiber.
Fiber you reintroduce, anddietary fiber there's.
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There's soluble, there'sinsoluble.
Insoluble is stuff that yourbody just really can't digest,
has a place, but you know,there's really nothing that your
body, it doesn't ferment inyour intestinal system, it
doesn't break down, it just kindof like, literally it's like
sticks, like baby roughage thatjust kind of passes through.
Yeah, and then there's soluble,which is you get from like
fruits and vegetables thatferment and feed the bacteria
flora oats and it clears yourgut out.
(17:29):
You know it's like every 10grams of soluble fiber, dietary
fiber you introduce into yourdiet like increases the chances
of you living healthy for by 10.
So if you're eating 10 10 gramsof fiber a day which probably
most people are sub 10 and youbring that up to like 40 grams
or 50 grams of dietary fiber aday, you've just like increased
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the chances of you aging healthyby like 30 or 40, which is
massive over the long haul.
And just think about, like therate of of colon cancer with
young people right now.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
That's what I was going to say.
Yeah, so, like there's thisbeen huge upsurge of colon
cancer in, you know, individualsthat are like under 40.
It's crazy, never before seen.
And what they one of the thingsthey equated it to was this
increase in carnivore stylediets and the removal of
vegetables and fruits.
And the removal of vegetablesand fruits, and what they found
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is that, like, one of the majorthings is that it's fiber that
actually activates the lining orthe epithelial cells in your
digestive tract to regenerateand reproduce.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
Interesting.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Yeah, without basically introducing fiber, the
surface cells or the surfacelining in your colon, basically
just don't regenerate, they gostagnant, degenerate.
Yeah, and then that obviouslyjust is a compounding effect
that it could eventually lead tocancer.
So you know, it's just one ofthose things that by eliminating
and there's you know all these,I guess.
So it's like leptins areanother one that people get all
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caught up about as one of theanti-nutrients in fruit, and so
you know, the idea with thearguments is that plants have
these protective mechanisms thatare often for insects and
predators that might eat themand things like that.
So there's like leptins andoxycholates or you know whatever
, there's all these compoundsthat will prevent an insect from
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eating it, or some type ofsublevel poison, Even like
sulfur.
Like sulfur is a poison, butthat's commonly found in
broccoli, brussels sprouts,cauliflower, and the argument
for carnivore is that all theseanti-nutrients in the plants are
out to kill us.
They block the absorption ofthis, they disrupt the hormone.
Here the leptins, you know,prevent the breakdown of this.
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That and the other and I thinkone of the things is the dosage
of these poisons are some of thethings that matters.
Right, dosage is the poison.
Too much water can kill you.
You can drink enough water todie right, the dosage is the
poison.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
Yeah, so Too much meat can kill you Too much
anything.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
So I think there's just a component that the amount
that we're ingesting when weeat these plants amount that
we're ingesting when we eatthese plants, even if they have
some ping of a negative effecton our body, are so minuscule
comparatively to the positivebenefits of the fiber, of the
water, of the vitamins, theminerals, all the good things
that come along with the fruitsand vegetable family.
And then there's the thing Idon't know like with the
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sulfuric vegetables, that theyactually trigger a poisoning
response in your body, but it'sso low level that your body then
reacts and increases itsproduction of glutathione, which
is like this master antioxidantthat only your body can make.
You can't eat it.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Now I think they have technology where you can eat it
, but you couldn't just eat itand digest it, and as you get
older, your glutathioneproduction levels tend to drop,
which is why people get morehung over when they drink too
much alcohol as they get older,because they just don't have as
much so.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
glutathione is like this master.
You know chemical in the bodyand you know a little broccoli
gets in there and your body'slike, oh shit, quick ramp up the
glutathione, so you know.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
It's adaptation response.
It's like exercise is one stepback it's stress.
Yeah, yeah, it's stress, youknow.
It's like there is a.
I read a post and it was likeimagine something that like
increased cortisol levelsskyrocketed your blood pressure,
and they were like listing allthese like negative things.
(21:13):
Like what if I told you thatthat was good for you and it's
exercise, it's exercise.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
It's exercise.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Right, you know, because you introduce a stressor
and then our bodies adapt.
But again, the dosage is thepoison.
If you train three hours a day,every day, you'd you'd get
rhabdo and you'd have to rushthe emergency room and you might
die.
If you take too much of thetoxins out of broccoli and again
isolated it, you'd kill youexactly, but like a little micro
(21:40):
dose of whatever sulfur justgives you gives your body an
adaptational response.
We, we, we tend to recoverbetter stronger.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Don't don't swallow a chunk of yellow sulfur mineral.
Don't swallow, yeah, like like,who like.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Who here likes a cup of coffee in the morning?
Great, because 100 milligramsof caffeine is like perfect.
But this much caffeine powderwill kill you, like, like, like,
a little sack of pure caffeinewill kill you.
Yeah, it's like you know.
So you know we can't this.
And this is the issue.
(22:14):
This is the problem with, likesome you know charismatic
influencer who comes on like theyou know liver King who just
starts preaching this kind ofstuff, is that we get kind of
transfixed by it and it's justamazing how many people will
just believe that because of howconvincing the person is but
it's like I understand that thathumans, our minds, default to
(22:40):
being very binary.
Good or bad, right or wrong, yesor no, the it, but life is a
continuum life is a spectrum andit's like how much?
Uh, you know, if you have a fewbroccoli sprigs in your salad,
like that is not a dosage that'sgoing to kill you.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
You have a half a plate of broccoli.
There's just there.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
It's just being a little bit more growth mindset
oriented.
Just thinking a little bit moredeeply about this, you know,
could this help some people?
Yes, I think so, the downsidebeing, you know, if you're not
getting dietary fiber, you'reprobably not going to be pooping
as often.
And if the whole point ofavoiding vegetables was to avoid
the toxins, well, guess what'sgoing to happen in your colon if
(23:22):
you're not pooping enough.
That's like if you want todetox, get regular with your
poop, yeah, 100% Right.
But if it's just sitting therefor days and days because you're
just eating nothing but fattymeats and cheeses and there's no
fiber Bleaching back into you.
It's just holding in your colon.
It doesn't take a proctologistto know that that's probably not
a good thing.
We got to keep that moving baby.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
That's the primary excretory system here.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
There's your detox and so it's just to button it up
.
It's like if that style of lifeand dieting makes sense to you,
then at least just go the lessextreme version of it and do
like a keto or the less extremeversion of that and do like a
paleo if it just.
If you just need like hardparameters and just like you
(24:07):
don't want to count calories,you don't want to weigh food, I
get it, that's fine.
But the thing is is there'sother ways to get the whatever
benefits this has?
Yes, you can get the samebenefits without eliminating
things that we knowscientifically conclusive that
are also beneficial, that are soimportant to your longevity
meta studies showing leafy,green and fibrous vegetables
(24:27):
increasing lifespan, decreasingbody composition.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
Like it's just there's no way around.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
It, no way around it.
Yeah, eat your salads, eat yourveggies.
Go ahead, hammer it down.
You want the steak, steak, thesteak, whatever.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Just get a big, big ass salad in there every day,
and it's also I mean likeoutside of, like being like an
emperor or something in the past, like the ability to be a
carnivore, diet in in in theclassic sense that we're doing
it now.
It wasn't available until ofthis crazy surplus.
I mean it's like like the inuit, only ate seal and seal blubber
, because that's all there wasto eat they.
They lived on a.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
They lived in igloos, yeah like an ice sheet, so
that's literally the only thingthey could eat.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
So they were kind of carnivores by necessity.
But like there weren't many.
I mean, obviously meat wasalways revered, but there wasn't
this ability to just eat sixeggs and a steak and bacon every
meal.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
That's a luxury baby.
Yeah, that's a huge luxuryReserve for kings.
Yes, exactly so.
It's just a very modernapplication of circumstance that
somehow like oh yeah, it'sbringing it back, bring it back
to the good old days, like whatthat never happened, like for
for 99.99 of human existence, wewere fucking starving we were
(25:33):
eating them, tubers.
Let me tell you eating bark,yeah, you know, grasses and I
was like we were just, we wereanimals starving out in the
pasture.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
You know, it's amazing to look at like like
wild broccoli, or wild broccoliis a man-made vegetable, but
like wild asparagus or like.
Look at these like old versionsof the common fruits and
vegetables we eat.
It's like an old apple, likeapples used to be.
These like tiny, almost likecrab apple things.
Like asparagus.
Was this like little twiglooking thing?
Speaker 1 (26:01):
you know, we've just bred.
Now we got these like stocks ofasparagus that are like that
big so yeah, things aredifferent everything's
everything's processed,everything 12 eggs a day, no
problem, everything has beengenetically modified.
like you know.
I'm sorry, guys, but like youcan go and get a farm out in
oregon, grow all your own stuff,but if you're going to
participate in society, we justhave to like let go of this idea
(26:24):
that we're like somehow gettingback to like our primal
ancestral roots.
It's like I think that shipsailed.
I'm sorry, but you know.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
As you ask, ai, the benefits of the carnivore diet.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
Yeah, how do I get off the grid and live a more
primal life?
Ai, exactly, siri, it's like.
Well, I think this isfundamentally flawed.
Uh, okay, team, so that was 49,correct coach's corner.
Uh, hope you guys enjoyed it.
Let us know in the comments ifyou did and we'll check you all
next time.
Another episode, peace out, bye.
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