Ready for a harsh truth? We are losing the battle against the opioid epidemic. From first responders on the frontlines to our communities ravaged by this crisis, we are all deeply affected. In our latest episode, we lift the veil on the dishonesty of Purdue Pharma - the company that shamelessly pushed opioids into the market, and the resultant lawsuit that came like a storm. We also get down to the nitty-gritty of the silent invader, Fentanyl, and its devastating impacts. It's high time we amplify awareness and education about this crisis, and this episode gives you just the insight to do so.
Shifting gears, we delve into the booming marijuana industry and the eerie silence from the federal government. Did you know there are over 8,000 marijuana grows in our state? The implications are staggering - from a surprising uptick in human trafficking in rural counties to potentially illegal interstate shipment of marijuana. This enlightening discussion raises questions we should all be asking and highlights the dark underbelly of a seemingly thriving industry.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hi guys, it's Jared, I'm here.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Hey guys, it's Jason and Rich still isn't here.
And you heard Jared, jared'sgoing to be filling in for Rich
for a few episodes, richard.
So you guys, let me know, goahead and go on Facebook and
tell us say, hey, jared does allright filling in for Rich.
Or you can just say where thehell's rich, we miss him.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
I miss Richard.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
That other dude sucks .
Anyway, on this episode we'regoing to be talking about, we're
going to call us the opioidepidemic.
Anyway, that's what we're goingto be talking about.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
It's not always fun and games for first responders.
Five central Show me in pursuit, but sometimes it is oh my God,
he's not wearing pants again.
Sometimes it's dangerous.
Flip it around, look out, lookout, look out.
Sometimes it's not HandlerBoulevard for a snake and a half
, and sometimes it's just plainstupid and his lap on a
(01:08):
lawnmower.
This is the stupid side offirst response.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
This bastard, I really have to go to that.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
This is code 0.5.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Come in 0.5.
Yeah, I just like to make anannouncement to everybody that
we're going to be hiring aproducer for the podcast, and
then also, when we go on YouTube, the pay is going to be that
you can drink all the monstersthat rich is willing to give you
.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
I figured it would be the pay that Bubba J gets and
the beef jerky and a six pack ofbushlight.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Yeah, we could do that.
That would be bad, be a gooddeal for us.
I don't know about the otherdude, anyway, so opioid epidemic
.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
So would you rather eat, matter or matter baby?
Eat matter or matter baby.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Tell you talking about matter what matter.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Would you rather eat, matter or matter baby?
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Matter.
Why would I said matter baby?
Speaker 1 (02:22):
If you would have said what's matter?
What's a matter, baby?
Those stupid jokes, that yes.
I think, I think canine wassaying one of those in the
office.
One day I'm starting to stealsome of his dad jokes.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Oh yeah, you're gonna be a what's a matter baby.
You're gonna be graduating thedad status soon, yeah nothing's
way hard.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Oh, so you watch Netflix and Hulu and stuff.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Have you watched anything about Purdue Pharma?
Speaker 2 (03:00):
A lot of them looking at some of.
I know I spelled that wrong.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
I heard about it?
Speaker 2 (03:08):
The, the.
What is it?
It's the pharmacy company thatwas pushing out their oxys.
Yeah, and they weren't.
They were telling people likeit wasn't addicting or something
.
Yeah, they're lying out theirass.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Yeah, so they made a show on Hulu called dope sick
Frickin phenomenal dude showsyou how evil that family and
Purdue Pharma is and basicallyhow they, they I think it was
oxycodone, it was.
It was oxy, something before,and then they came up with a
different oxy that is lessaddictive and oh, and they lied
(03:45):
about that shit too, yep.
And then they started off withlike 20 milligram, 10 milligram
pills and they went from a 10 toa 20 and then a 20 to a 40 and
a 40 to an 80 and an 80 to a 160and they were like, oh yeah,
you can, you know, do this, thisand this and like got people
and people have an overdoses.
So there was a major lawsuitand there's a bunch of counties
(04:10):
all throughout the United Statesthat got money from.
That would be opioid lawsuit todo like education and
prevention for opioid, opioidoverdoses.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Oklahoma was one of them.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Yeah, we got some of the money in our county Not a
lot, but we got enough that Imean we could probably buy
training equipment stuff wewanted to.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Yeah, and what blows my mind is how?
Now, when you drive up and downthe street, have you seen the
billboards for Narcan?
Uh-huh.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Yeah, and fentanyl?
Fentanyl test strips so you cantest your shit before you use.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Yeah, yeah, and I should have known we'd get
involved with fentanyl.
But I hate that shit.
I mean I hate meth and I hatethe fentanyl.
Like, I know it has a medicalpurpose, but I hate the shit.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Yeah, it's a man.
So that's kind of how myposition that I got moved into
now got created.
Actually, we started seeingoverdoses and in December of
last year I worked my firstfentanyl overdose, where someone
(05:20):
died and we're still lookinginto that, but it's looking
pretty promising on that one andI've had eight since then.
Which for for that's just outin the rural area that doesn't
include in our municipalities,and the ones that go unreported
to us, because not all of themget reported to us, yeah, and
(05:40):
the amount of people that don'tknow.
So I do a community engagementclass and basically on like what
, what is illicit fentanyl?
Speaker 2 (05:51):
How many people show up for that?
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Man, it just depends.
I had two the last time, see,yeah.
So you try to get all theinformation out to people and
nobody but here's the deal, man,if I can get it out to just one
person and they can share itwith two or three or four people
like look at this, the last onethat I did, a newspaper came
and she took notes and she putout a newspaper and so all that
information, I look at that it'sfive, 600,000, 2000,.
(06:18):
However many people that theyservice.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
We need to do a YouTube video on it.
Oh yeah, yeah, I don't eventhink about that.
Yeah, you put it on the officesand then we can put it on this.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
So that that I mean however many people that
newspaper reaches, and we havewhat 75,000 people in our county
.
I think they service about halfof that yeah, so, plus
everything that they put online,so anyone that's reading it.
But what they did was pretty,pretty neat.
So there was a kid thatoverdosed I say overdosed, he
(06:53):
was poison.
I mean they're, they're not,they're poisonings, right, yeah,
and so they talked to his momand then used information from
our class in with that and she,his mom, has started a
foundation.
But we actually had aconversation with the mom where,
(07:15):
whenever her son overdosed, weweren't aware, like, of the
proper way to do things and wedidn't have any training on it.
Yeah, and so I think the DEAended up taking that case and
working it.
But you know, it was one ofthose deals, unfortunately.
We had to learn from from ourmistakes, and we're trying to
(07:36):
fix that and make it better.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
So but and like the fentanyl being cut into other
drugs, it's like it's relativelynew.
So it's not like you know, whenhe says we didn't know much
about it, it's because it's new,that's, and we're still
learning about it, but yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
And the people don't understand.
It's being put in everything.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
We have meth that's testing positive for fentanyl
marijuana that we find, if in.
So basically what I tell peoplein that class?
Because they're they'repressing pills to look like
legit pills, yeah, and so I usethat class to help people
identify, elicit fentanyl pills.
But they're, they're pressingthem.
Now there was a guy that saidthey're seeing them out west or
(08:24):
where we're at, and they'redoing them in Tylenol now.
So it looks like a fuckingTylenol or flipping Tylenol
excuse me, a flipping Tylenolpill, and that's.
That's how dangerous it is.
They're doing that.
There could be a freaking kidthat thinks that's Tylenol and
they're taking it.
You know, and it's mom anddad's.
It's just some sad stuff, man.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Yeah, and the thing is is well like, well didn't
like.
Our under sheriff and sheriffwent down to Texas, to the
border last week and they talkedabout how hectic it is down
there and yeah, and in peoplehere.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
so that's one thing I want to talk about.
To that pissed me off.
We didn't, we, our agencydidn't put a social media post
out, which I think we should.
I think we should and I still Istill going to talk to him
about that.
There's a state representativethat put out that he had went to
the border.
They learned all this stuff,and there's people getting on
there bashing him for going downthere and saying, well, that's,
(09:30):
that's in Texas.
Why are you going down there?
Why?
How does that affect Oklahoma,bob?
I mean are people that stupid?
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Well, and they might not know that the fentanyl
that's coming in like thepipeline is straight from Mexico
.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Yes, and there's no one at the border.
It is.
So whenever they went down,they got with sheriff's office
down there and Texas DPS andthey're there.
Those are the guys that arebasically patrolling the borders
, and you know they're.
They're coming across, not justyou know, it's people from
(10:07):
nations all over.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
Well, it's kind of like in New York how they didn't
give a crap about like illegalimmigrants coming in because it
was a Texas problem.
Well, when Texas startedsending them to those sanctuary
cities, now all of a suddenthey're panicking and they're
saying these illegal immigrantsthat are coming in or destroying
cities.
It's like that's what we'vebeen trying to tell you.
Oh really, and like thefentanyl that's coming in when
(10:31):
they show you the map, becausewhen we bust people, some of
them will fess up and tell youwhere it comes from, how it gets
there, and then they make otherbusts and you can actually like
track the pipeline coming upfrom Mexico through Texas and
Oklahoma, and then it dispersesand goes east and west, yep, and
then it'll go all up and downthe coastlines up into.
(10:53):
There's not much that comes outof Canada, is there?
Speaker 1 (10:56):
No, there's.
There's not a lot that comesout of Canada from what I've
seen.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Yeah, it's like compared to what we get coming
from Mexico.
It's like a just a drop in thebucket or whatever.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Yeah, so it's basically Texas, new Mexico and
Arizona are all of your majorport.
You know entry and California,right?
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
But you can look up maps to the DEA and you can see.
I mean Oklahoma City and eastis just a thoroughfare.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Yeah, I like that, that narcotics school we went to
.
They show you, I mean, and alltheir information that they get
is from you know all the busthey make and data they collect,
and it's like it comes straightfrom damn Mexico.
Yeah, and then you have and I'mgoing to say it, people might
get mad, I don't care.
You have a democratic presidentthat basically will just lie to
(11:47):
you and say that it's eithernot happening or he can't
remember what happened fiveminutes ago and he doesn't want
to put a stop to it.
And then when you get thegovernor in Texas, it tries to
slow it down or stop it.
Then some damn jackass inWashington or a judge is telling
him to stop doing that.
(12:07):
He can't even keep cocaine outof the White House man.
Yeah, Okay, it's probably his.
I swear he probably takes it tokeep going.
That's probably how it works.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
So but yeah, they're not just pressing the pill, but
it's not just.
It's not just Mexican cartels,it's Chinese, like gangs and
stuff too, or that, becausethey're getting their synthetic
stuff from China.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
And it's getting sent to Mexico and they're either
just bagging up the powderedfentanyl itself or they're
pressing pills in Mexico andsending it up here.
But there's also pill pressplaces, like in Oklahoma City I
mean they've busted them severaltimes where it's a pill mill
and they're pumping out thesefentanyl pills and they're
they're freaking, killing people.
(13:04):
Man, we just had one not toolong ago.
Girl overdosed and thenoverdosed again.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Oh you're talking about where it comes from.
I'm sitting here and I pulledthe article up.
Uh, it's produced fentanyl ismostly manufactured in China and
then later sold Mexico.
Mexico then ships the illicitfentanyl across the border for
resale in the United States.
Yeah See, I wasn't making thatstuff up, man.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
But I whenever.
I tell that they said what yeah?
Speaker 2 (13:37):
And this is, and you know, data that we get, doesn't
it?
You don't?
Okay, data we get.
Is it's kind of delay because Ihave to come to the?
Is it's kind of delay because Ihave to compile all of it and
put together?
But the most recent data istalking about reported
encounters with fentanyl in theUnited States.
2013 was a thousand and then in2015, holy shit, one, two, six,
(14:00):
seven, eight, nine, 10, 11, 12,13, 14, 15,000 encounters.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Yep, uh, oklahoma alone.
Okay, and this is according tothe Oklahoma State Department of
Health.
This is just reported fentanylOverdose deaths.
This is just the deaths, yeah,and, and these are the ones that
were classified as fentanyloverdose.
Some of them got probably gotmisclassified.
(14:29):
Right In 2019, there was 47 forthe entire state of Oklahoma,
yeah, entire state.
Last year there was 300.
So what that tripled Somewherein there More than tripled.
And that's just the fentanyl,right, and that's just fentanyl.
(14:51):
That's not your opioid, that'snot your heroin or any of your
opioid painkiller stuff.
In 2022, 73,654 people diedfrom fentanyl overdose in the
(15:12):
United States, more than doublethe amount of deaths from three
years prior.
I.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Wish I could find that statistic.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
It's, it's scary, man , they're putting it.
So my mom she lives in Tucsonoh, there's a freaking crap hole
man, there's nice parts, but Imean you're close to the border,
close enough the border whereyou're getting some, you know,
pretty violent crimes.
She was telling me that the,the dope dealers there are are
(15:51):
Selling like talky chips andstuff that have fentanyl and
they're they're selling them tolike younger kids they are
getting.
This is how messed up thecartel is, is they they?
They are looking to geteveryone addicted that they can,
including children, so theyhave a continuous, continuous
consumer base.
(16:11):
So until something is done,we're, we're gonna lose
generations.
You have, you have 13 year oldsoverdosing on fentanyl a
three-year-old each of us.
What was that?
Broken bow?
The vacation place with all thecabins.
(16:32):
Oh yeah, okay, it was like athree-year-old.
There's a party the week before.
Touch some powder that was lefton a table and an overdose and
died from a fentanyl overdose.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Yeah, and all I did was touch it.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
Yeah, it's insane man and people don't like.
That's why I tell in that classI tell people like if you have
a Kid that is in their 30s, 20s,younger, and if they're younger
than 18 and you don't know ifthey're an addict, you need to
be like keeping.
Social media platforms haveeven created little blue pills
(17:08):
like emojis that they can sendSnapchats like one of the worst
companies in the world.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
But they, they relate this.
So the people and that's that'swhat most of them are using a
snapchat or what's app and allthis other stuff.
I mean, they're using theseapps that are hard to track.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
And I'm trying to find these statistics on the
overdoses.
I'll keep talking, man you knowwell, because I found one
before that talked about drugoverdoses, and somebody was
talking to me before about howMarijuana can't kill you and
that you can't Bullshit die fromit, and I found the statistics
where people had died frommarijuana overdose because it
(17:49):
slows your respiratory down somuch that you could just stop
breathing and that's like themarijuana we have nowadays is so
much worse than what they had,you know, back in the 80s and
90s and Hmm, here's what I'velearned in my 32 years of being
on this earth Is whatever thegovernment can make money at,
(18:10):
along with other companies.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
And they keep making money the government, so they
don't care.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Well, and like with marijuana, like they were
telling us and we're in thatnarcotics school the state
hasn't really made shit when itcomes to marijuana.
Yeah and they tell and I can'twhat was the number it was like,
and Correct me if I'm wrongthere was like 700 Thousand
(18:36):
pounds of marijuana grown lastyear.
Yeah, but only like 200,000 wasaccounted for.
That was sold Mm-hmm and theothers it's all black market
marijuana, yeah, and we're likethe black market capital of the
world.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
Yeah, we have 8,000 marijuana grows in our state.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
You know how many Arkansas has no, it was like
five or something.
Yeah why in the hell do we needthat many?
Speaker 1 (18:57):
It's the way that they said.
They wrote this whole thing.
You had all these potheds thatwere wanting to be able to smoke
weed for medical reasons.
Yeah, they said it's totallyscrewed, it's, it's, it's
brought human trafficking, likeif you live in a rural county
and you have marijuana grows,you have human trafficking.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
If you don't think that, like they, like who was I
talking to?
Let's just let's find like asmall, smaller county out east,
a rural huge county, yeah, okay,they, there's human trafficking
there and that Holdenville, Ithink, is like their biggest
city, right and people the otherthere's.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
There's no way well, when I think of human
trafficking they probably thinkof like little kids or women,
yeah, for like sex stuff orwhatever.
When human traffickingencompasses more than that and
In the government.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
The federal government's not doing anything.
You come across these people atmarijuana grows and they're
they're here illegally.
They're not doing anythingabout it anymore, not whenever
Trump was like Trump was inoffice.
You could call and they wouldsay, yep, throw them in your
jail will fax over ice detainer,holy shit.
Okay, yeah, you know.
But the people like it's reallybad in Arizona, man, the people
(20:10):
they come from just violentfelons that have been deported
numerous times and they you canwalk like, like the they
whenever they went down there tovisit in Texas.
There's spots where you justwalk across the border.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Yeah, I believe it.
It's insane well then, like allthe other statistic they were
telling us on marijuana, ifevery citizen of the United of
Oklahoma, if every citizen inOklahoma Smoked a joint a day,
(20:43):
at the end of the year youwouldn't even scratch like 2% of
what we produce.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Yeah, and I.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
When they were talking about how these grows.
Electric bills per month.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Yeah, two to three hundred thousand a month.
Yeah, they.
There's a Down in SoutheastOklahoma, meryl.
There's a marijuana grow thatpaid them to put a a power
station, basically Because theycouldn't sustain it.
So they gave them like amillion dollars cash to build
everything that they needed tobuild, and Then they they pay
(21:16):
them in cash every month whatthey're letting.
So these electric companiesaren't cooperating with law
enforcement Whenever it comes tothese illegal growths because
they're making a killing.
Yeah, and whenever I saidpotheds earlier, I know I'm not,
I'm not fully against marijuana.
I mean I think I think thatthere's some that that it helps
with some things, but don't callit medical marijuana.
Just because you want to sit athome and get high, yeah, I mean
(21:37):
it's not medical yeah.
I mean, let's just be honest.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
I mean cuz, like they say, if it was a, if it had
medical purpose, it wouldn't bea schedule one.
So that's, and that's why theyget recommendations, they don't
get prescriptions, and that'swhy it's not a prescription,
that's why it doesn't come froma pharmacist, because it's not
medical marijuana.
Yeah, it has no medical purpose.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
I mean, I'm a firm believer of legalize it for
recreational guidelines forgrows and then tax the shit out
of it.
Yeah and Let counties set theirown tax as far as you know the
marijuana cells and stuff andjust make, make money off it
because you're going to.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
But I think they're on the right track with that
because they've increased thefees, yeah, for those grows,
yeah, but that's not gonna helpwith the illegal stuff, because
if they're growing it andselling it on the black market,
yeah well, like that one damnsemi that they were loading up
at like 10 o'clock at night orwhatever, and I'm like whoa,
that's, that's suspicious ashell.
Who operates a business at thattime, you know, and all that
(22:47):
they're loading that shit up toship off.
Where was that it?
It was on the north side of thecounty.
Hmm, yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
Yeah, they're probably taking it to New York.
I think is where a bunch ofours is going right now.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Yeah, I've heard New York and Tennessee.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
Yeah, something like that.
And then they've got, likepeople, money loads coming from
Memphis you know paying for abunch of it's dude.
It's insane.
The criminal element that thatthey go to you know they'll load
up you halls with hundreds ofpounds of marijuana, yeah, and
then they're there you knowselling it and there's just no.
(23:25):
It's the way it was all set uphere in Oklahoma was just
screwed up, man.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
We should have talked more in depth to other states.
Yes, we did it.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
Yeah, yeah.
And then now you have they'restarting to see marijuana grows,
with the Chinese nationaliststhat when they're, they pulled
pill presses out of and they'rethey're processing, yeah,
fentanyl pills.
They don't give a crap man,they're gonna kill your son,
your daughter, your husband,your grandchildren with all this
(23:57):
fentanyl stuff.
So I Guess how much I can gobuy a fentanyl pill in Oklahoma
City.
For now, this flux, this isthis price fluctuates, by the
way, I don't know.
20 bucks in Oklahoma City.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Ten bucks.
Hmm, am I going too low?
Need to high?
Oh, I'm too high for a fentanylpill.
Two dollars.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
There's someone right now for five bucks a pill, $5 a
pill, here in Oklahoma City.
You take it back to Shawnee,sell for 15 to $20 a pill, 10,
10 to 20 it was $20 a pill.
It cost, I think, 25 to 50cents a pill to manufacture them
, to press them, and thenthey're flipping around and
(24:45):
selling for five bucks a pill.
Damn, that's a killing yeah soif you think that they care
about your and I've ran intopeople that we've caught with
fentanyl before- Mm-hmm and this.
This is what they.
I said you know that stuff hasfentanyl in it.
Well, yeah, but man, I've nomind, I've known my guy for a
while.
They wouldn't sell me one ofthe bad pills.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Okay, yeah, you think they know as long as they're
making a dollar, they don't givea shit.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Yeah, yeah if, if, if you were not getting something
from a pharmacist, you wereplaying Russian roulette.
Every time you use any drug nowmarijuana, meth, if you, if you
don't get marijuana from amarijuana like a marijuana
dispensary, you're playing.
If you bite off the streets,you're playing Russian roulette
with your life.
(25:28):
And people are okay with it.
There's, there's people in ourcounty that they didn't.
There's Teenagers that didn'tknow they thought they were
taking percocet or a pain pill,yeah, and they got addicted to
them.
And it's fentanyl and it's hardto kick.
It's harder to kick than heroin.
(25:49):
And you've got 17, 18 year oldsthat are freaking addicted to
them.
The it's it man issues is crazy.
We I mean, we were talkingabout the other day and it I'm
not trying to sound like weirdor anything, but you have, you
know, not 18, 19, 20 year oldguys and girls that have their
(26:09):
whole life ahead of them, young,attractive people, right, they
have a bright future and theystart using this stuff and and I
don't know what it is, but it'sit just ruins, ruins everything
about their body, man.
I mean, they're theirThought-processing and all that.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Okay, well, what was that other stuff that they're
putting in with it?
Speaker 1 (26:30):
Oh, like a horse tranquilizer.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Trot starts the K or X or yeah mmm, and it's freaking
making flesh rot.
Yeah, and the reason they won'tdo anything about it is because
it's in the horse industry orsomething.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
Um, yeah, here it is Zilazine.
Yeah, that's it Zilazine, andthey won't.
Uh, their state's Louisiana, Ithink, is the first state that
passed it.
To put it as scheduled, yeah,but they don't want to do it
because, uh, veterinarians canjust hand that shit out for cows
and stuff.
Um, they can just hand outmassive amounts to farmers for
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their whole herd for their wholeherd, where, if it was
controlled, it would be.
This bottle is for Betty Suethe cow.
This bottle is for Betty Sue,number two, the cow.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
This in and it's like well, I'm sorry that it's an
inconvenience, but I guaranteeyou those farmers wouldn't find
an inconvenience if their grandkid or their kid was using that
shit.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Yeah, cause like they're putting it in with the
fentanyl, because I don't thinkit makes it stronger, it makes
it last longer.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
Yeah, and then if somebody's overdosing on it,
when you hit them with Narcan,yeah, it get.
It does away with the fentanylhigh, but that xylazine that's
in their system that's stillgoing to kill them and there's
nothing we can do for it.
Is that right?
Speaker 1 (28:05):
It doesn't intensify it.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
It makes it longer.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
So xylazine?
Uh deadly mystery of who'slacing xylazine, a dangerous
horse tranquilizer, in America'sstreet drug supply.
The chemical, often mixed withfentanyl, is turning up all over
the country, devastating peoplewith addiction.
Uh, it eats your skin away andyou just have a hole and then it
, and then it leaves a scar.
Uh, experts say it's unclearhow and why xylazine is uh
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spreading so fast.
And pure addiction.
Correspondent Brian Mann foundthis lack of information.
So wider problem.
I mean, there's very, there'snot a lot of info on it.
Um, and so they're.
They're talking about, you knowwhy don't government agencies
track it?
And that's that's why, uh,let's see here.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
And I think they said in Louisiana, those guys, that,
um, they got it as, uh,scheduled, yet that when the
vets prescribe it, they canstill do it based on a herd, but
they need the total number inthe herd and their numbers are
like their tag numbers orwhatever.
So you can still give it outfor per herd, but you have to
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track it more and then, likewhenever you know cause, what do
they call it?
They floating the teeth, yes,and they're filing them down.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
They'll give it to the horse to chill them out,
yeah, yeah, but you'd they justhave to monitor what horse they
give it to and how much, and allthat stuff, yeah, and and it
would keep it from you know,like you going in and saying,
hey, I have a hundred cattle andyeah, I need, I need, I was
informed.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Yeah, and it would stop that being just handed out
to everybody.
Yes, yeah, cause now, as longas I'm getting my fentanyl
brought in from Mexico, I can goin to any vet and get xylosine
and then cut it with that shit.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
Dude, it's sad man it's, and this is one of those
conversations that you couldtalk about for hours.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
I mean just just the amount of like what was that guy
talking about in class?
That person that was hooked onfentanyl?
No, I think they got into justxylosine one of the two and they
had like a wound on their armor their leg and they could see
the bone.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
Yes, here in Oklahoma .
Speaker 2 (30:23):
Yeah, it was in Oklahoma city, because that shit
eats away at your skin.
But they didn't.
I guess they didn't carebecause they're getting the
fentanyl that's killing the painand then they don't care if
it's eating away their body.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
Yeah, yeah, I was eating away a hole in her, like
her leg or something like that,and they could see the bone in
her leg.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
Yeah, they dude showed me a picture of it
because I was like Holy hell andthey were like she wasn't
hurting or nothing.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
She was so screwed up on that stuff.
Yeah, it's insane.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
I mean it is as addiction is insane.
The things that you will do toyourself and your family people
that you honestly care about,like the things that you would
do to them.
It's just, I don't understandit.
It's crazy and it's anationwide issue.
(31:11):
I mean that town inPhiladelphia where they have
using stations.
Come here and use and then putyour fricking shit in this
container so that nobody getsstuck.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
I think it is Philadelphia.
Let's have another problem, andthe night it's a street that
you see a bad on things than areI'm also.
I did and it was showing thatdude that drove around in his
truck just up and down thestreet and he had like enormous
amounts of Narcan in his truck.
Yeah, to save people, yeah, andon polls they have like Narcan
(31:46):
stations because everybody'sgetting high everywhere and
Kensington, I think, is what itwas called.
Is that the name of the streetor name of the town?
These are the names.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
Let's look Phillies, next mayor could try to end Ken
Kensington's open air drugmarket.
I think that's the name of thestreet.
Yeah, future Philadelphia opencrisis included tougher
crackdown on Kensington's openair drug market.
According to the candidatesrunning for Philadelphia mayor,
(32:23):
they had strategies on deaths inthe city.
The Kensington section was aspecial focus.
Yeah, so they.
It's basically like drug addictalley and they're they're have
safe using places and like boxesthat have Narcan in them.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
So someone's overdosing and you can go pop
the box and and give them Narcanand then when you take their
highway from them, they just godo it again, yeah, yeah, and
that's not helping either.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
I mean, even if you take somebody and lock them up
in jail, I mean that keeps themfrom getting their shit and then
they might have to get sent outor something, because they're
detoxing off of it or whatever,that might be the best damn
start for some of them.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
Yeah, it's man.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
I have so many ideas in my head on how to make things
like things better, even withour justice system, and see and
I don't know how to talk aboutthat kind of stuff, because you
know, I hear about people thatget addicted to stuff and that
addiction is a disease and thenit's terrible and but like like,
I dipped for a little while andthen one day I was like man,
(33:28):
I'm just tired of doing this andI just stopped.
And then I'd smoke a cigaretteevery now and then I just man,
whatever I'll drink, and then Imight not drink for a month or
so.
I mean, the only thing that Icould say I'm addicted to is
like good ass food.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
Well, that's the deal .
Everybody there's differentaddiction, so people get upset
whenever you compare it likethat, though.
But if you look at severely,like I mean I'm obese, right, I
mean I'm overweight, I mean it's, it's a bit doctor.
But you look at like five, six,700 pound people who are so
(34:01):
overweight that they're going todie within the next five years
because their bodies are goingto give out, or 10 years, yeah,
and all they're doing is eatingwhole pizzas and drinking
fucking four, you know two literof Coca Cola's a day.
That's their addiction andthat's what they're shoveling
into their body.
And then you have a guy that isaddicted to methamphetamine and
(34:21):
he's shooting up or smoking andhe's putting that in his body.
You know there is just whataddiction are you choosing?
Speaker 2 (34:28):
My, my damn sure is food is I can go get a pizza and
eat three pieces and I'm good.
Yeah, but no, I, because, like,I just love the taste and
especially if it's good and I'lleat that whole.
I'll keep eating it until it'sgone.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
Our lunch wasn't, I wasn't impressed.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
Oh no.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
Yeah, no.
But here's the thing aboutsomeone that's an addict is,
until they're ready to change,they're not going to change.
You can make them do drug court, a piss test, you know, two,
three times a week, and if theywant to use, they're going to
use.
If they're not ready to change,they're not going to change.
And so I'm a firm believer ingiving people opportunity in
(35:09):
justice reform, but not the kindof justice reform that we have
going on right now.
I'm a firm believer that if youare a first time offender you
shouldn't go to prison unlessit's like you know, like murder,
rape, yeah.
Oh yeah, If you're going to rapesomebody or murder someone,
then obviously you have to go to.
You know, yeah, but if, ifyou're 20 years old like our
(35:31):
marijuana law that we had beforewere if you got convicted of it
and then you got caught asecond time, it was a felony for
having just there was so manypeople that are felons because
fucking cops got overzealous andthey charged them with a felony
over a freaking joint becausethey wanted a good felony arrest
and that was a good arrest backin the day.
And no, it wasn't.
It was a shit arrest and I'mguilty of back in the day
(35:54):
whenever meth was a felony.
If you had a scrape bag and Icould test it and it tested
positive and there was a littlebit of crystal in there, you
were going to jail.
And I look back and I'm justlike what the hell man?
You know, like people, that'snot what people need.
They need some sort of optionand then you give them the
option to change.
You know it's like if you're 19and you're high and you
(36:17):
burglarize a house, right, Ithink you need to be held
accountable.
I don't think that you need togo to prison over it.
You know not, unless someone isinjured or hurt in the process
of you committing yeah, no, not,not prison.
But that guy, that guy that shotthe Cleveland County deputy,
you know shit like that Scumbagpiece of shit yeah he shouldn't?
(36:38):
He should be in print, likestuff like that.
If you're, if you are a needle.
Yes, yeah, yeah, it's, it'sinsane dude, I mean.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
I was kind of like how you know you're saying that
people aren't going to get helpuntil they're ready to get.
That reminds me of the juvenilesystem.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
And we're sitting there, because I used to work at
a juvenile facility and theytalked about treatment,
treatment, treatment, treatment.
And then I was in college,while I'm at this facility, and
then one of the classes I tookwas over juvenile justice and it
says that treatment in ajuvenile justice facility does
not work, because they said kidsaren't mature enough to know
(37:22):
that they need help and thatwhat they're doing is wrong, so
they're just there to buy, buy,get through whatever they're
doing and then they're going togo back out until they get older
and mature and then they makethe decision to stop being a
little idiot.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
But they were so hard up on doing treatment and it's
like this class I'm taking saysright here that juvenile
treatment and juvenilefacilities does not work.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
It, in it doesn't.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
And like the recidivism rate was like 98%,
it's like so, no matter what youdo with these kids, when they
get out they're going right backin.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
Trying to find this thing here.
Hold on.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
But yeah, and we need to talk about how how all these
drugs that we talked about areso intertwined with property
theft.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
Dude, it's insane.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
And it's funny how, like you'll get somebody, you'll
get them thrown in jail.
You get them locked up.
Your property crime that getsreported goes down for a few
days and then all of a suddenit'll go back up again and then
you look and like, oh so, and sogot released out of jail.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
Yeah, and like the other day they caught a guy that
was had like 10 fentanyl pillsand holding like stolen vehicle,
all that stuff.
You want to know what his bondwas said in 500 bucks, $3,000.
(38:57):
Yeah, and he was out.
I pulled him over on a trafficstop like a few days later and I
mean that's another issue.
Is like the bond stuff likedon't get me wrong, so he had
trafficking white and fentanylyes.
And he or no, he didn't havetrafficking weight.
He didn't say maybe it wasn't10 pills, maybe it's like five,
(39:21):
five or four.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
Well, I thought it was.
Was it a gram or is it fivegrams?
He has five grams oftrafficking, trafficking.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
I got to cheat sheet for that stuff because I I got
so much stuff in this?
Speaker 2 (39:31):
Yeah, because for every drug it's different.
What gets me is that they'llget that low bond and you're
like damn it, this must been hisvery first time to get caught.
And then you look and you'relike no, it's his 17th time to
get caught.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
It's like why isn't it born like $50,000 or some
shoe?
Speaker 1 (39:52):
Yeah exactly, and people I don't think realize
that law enforcement is, uh likethe bedrock for a civilized
society, and they, they there'speople that don't view it that
way.
Yeah, and in so that, inresponse to that, I'm like, well
, this all going strike for 24hours and see what happens, she,
yet you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (40:13):
Imagine yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
And in the same people that are like, oh, we
don't need cops would be, youknow, calling uh.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
but Well, just looking at Oregon, See how that
worked out.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
They were defunding police departments.
Now, all of a sudden they'rebringing them back and they're
increasing their funding atthese departments.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
That's my ringtone that Jason has set up for me.
Speaker 2 (40:34):
Yeah, that's my wife.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
Everything, yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:40):
I'm probably going to get you hold that because I
didn't answer you.
Better answer it.
Go ahead and answer it.
She says she's being sent thevoicemail we can.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
We can wait, Go ahead .
Speaker 2 (40:48):
I'm freaking sweating right now.
Get the meat.
So I answer she's going to killme.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
But, uh, to go along with all of that stuff, you, you
, we have too many politiciansthat are in offices and and I
understand you have to in orderto be in an elected position.
You have to be a politician tosome extent but there should be
people focusing on programs notonly benefit us right now, and
(41:17):
I'm talking about from chiefs ofpolice that aren't elected to
sheriffs who are aconstitutional office in the
state of Oklahoma, all the wayup to the governor.
You should be looking atprograms that you want to.
You know, put down, they'regoing to benefit us, not just
now, but for generations to come, and there there's no elected
official right now.
(41:37):
That is that I mean there's.
There's several that are tryingto do good, but you can't just
have five guys out of 200, youknow, and and it's like they, it
just seems like they don't careenough.
Like, look at the intermittentstudy they did on deputy
sheriffs in Oklahoma.
Did you read that?
Are you talking about their?
Speaker 2 (41:54):
pay.
Yes, it averages in the state.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
It averages out to $10 an hour, ten dollars an hour
.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
Why do you have to bring me?
Bring that up, because itpisses me off to no end that the
average is $10 an hour.
But then they pay troopers likethree times a deputy and all
troopers do is write damntickets, yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:16):
So many, two thousand .
You start off at like $72,000 ayear or so.
Speaker 2 (42:19):
They got all that jurisdiction and they can't do
shit with it.
What was it that they said?
Speaker 1 (42:23):
Them troopers are mad because they got all that
jurisdiction and something.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
Yeah, they can't, they can't do nothing about it.
Speaker 1 (42:28):
I mean don't get me wrong, man.
I mean I've got.
I like a bunch of our troopersthat in my opinion which my
opinion doesn't really mean crap.
I guess a sheriff's office inthe state of Oklahoma is a
constitutional office, yeah, sothe state should have some
requirement for helping to fund.
They ought to flip that.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
Troopers should get paid $10 an hour and we should
be getting like 70 starting outhere.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
The Navy Sills Law Enforcement bro.
Oh my God Okay.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
It blew my mind whenever I worked a domestic
early in my career and a troopershowed up to back me and he
gets there and he goes.
Hey, I was like I just kind oflooked at him and I'm like what
Cause I'm there?
And I'm like, oh yes, someone'shere to help me and he goes.
He gets quiet and he goes.
What do I do?
I just turned a look down and Iwas like, what are you talking
about?
And he goes.
(43:20):
Man, he goes.
I'm a trooper, we don't workthis stuff.
He goes.
We, you know, we get on thehighway and ride tickets.
We don't work freaking thiskind of crap.
And he's not joking.
And I was like do what?
And I got to talking to him andI was like, really, I was like
y'all really don't do anything.
And he's like, no, I mean causeI think one just here recently
they got the, the statutoryauthority, to work uh, domestics
(43:43):
and EODs as long as they're onthe highway, or something.
Speaker 1 (43:46):
They got, they got.
No, they have the sameauthority as a peace officer and
that was like, maybe in thelast 10 years yeah.
And.
But they'll try to say, well,we don't do EODs and we don't, I
don't, that's criminal, wedon't do that.
Well then, if you're going to,you're not going to be a real
cop, go work somewhere else Okay.
Speaker 2 (44:00):
And here's something else I don't understand.
If I go to an academy at CLEET,then I decide I want to be a
trooper.
Why do I have to go to theiracademy when you have to know a
lot more to be a deputy and worklaw enforcement than you do to
be a trooper?
Speaker 1 (44:17):
I mean, I guess you can learn how to write tickets.
Speaker 2 (44:19):
I mean, if I, to train a trooper, I could send
them through a two week programand cut them loose?
Yeah, probably.
We probably shouldn't talkabout this.
We're going to make it, somepeople man.
Speaker 1 (44:30):
You probably have some troopers that listen to
this thing Probably, and nowwe're going to get tickets
anytime.
Oh, there's a, there's a littledirt.
Speaker 2 (44:36):
I'm going to write him a ticket.
Yeah, you think we don't donothing, huh?
Don't forget to put yourfreaking hat on.
Speaker 1 (44:45):
Those guys will get in trouble.
Man, it's starting to lax up alittle bit because you see them
wearing polos and stuff.
Yeah, but back in the day, ifthey got out of their car and
they didn't have their littleMount Me hat on, they would get,
they would get rowed up by asupervisor for being out of
uniform.
Really, I tell you how insaneit is that's why, troopers are
assholes.
Speaker 2 (45:01):
I asked one time I was like about their hat or
whatever.
And he goes.
They told us that we wear ourhat, cock like that and down
because it's intimidating orwhatever.
And I looked at him and I go.
When I was a little kid Ialways thought troopers were
stupid looking with those hatson.
Speaker 1 (45:16):
No, you know why they wear them that low.
What's that?
What's that surgery?
Where they like, remove yourbrain and stuff.
Speaker 2 (45:21):
Lobotomy yeah, they got to hide the lobotomy scar
that they have from trooperagain.
Hey, we better stop and shutthis thing off, or we're going
to start making some people mad.
Do we need to quit already,dude, we've been going for 45
minutes.
Speaker 1 (45:38):
Well, hey, we need to do the poll because the people
need to make a decision on ifthey want it or not.
Oh yeah, About the chop andJared show.
Speaker 2 (45:46):
Yeah, we've been talking about something about
starting either another episodewith this or new podcast.
Totally, you guys probablyremember Captain Chop and Jared
here, poor chop.
Yeah, they're wanting to talkmore about real cases and case
law and stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (46:07):
But yeah, we're like fun, Like the Scott Peterson
stuff.
Yeah, so have have an hour orhour and a half long podcast
that you can watch on theweekend and have video with it
and we dissect stuff like whatwe, what is our opinion?
But like watch that stuff offof a Hoolera Netflix or get body
cam footage and go through itand kind of not only explain to
(46:29):
people what's going on and givethem a different look to it, but
then like our opinion on stuffand I'm like what don't know
operator does, except he's likeprobably 10 times fun.
More funny than you knowbecause of him is why I wear
jeans to work every day.
So he did a review on a bodycam deal and the body cam went
(46:50):
slightly forward.
He paused it and you say hesaid he's wearing jeans, he's
definitely a jump out boy.
And so now I'm like I'm wearingjeans every day because I want
to be a jump out boy yeah.
Yeah, but no, like stuff.
It's going to be freakingawesome, but I guess we got to
let the people decide and see ifthey want it or not.
Speaker 2 (47:07):
Yeah, what we'll do is on the every episode that
gets published it gets put onFacebook.
So just go on the Facebook onthat episode and put on there
what yay or nay for the the chopand jerk show, or whatever
we're going to call it, yeah,and we'll bring body cam stuff.
Speaker 1 (47:25):
The first thing that I want to talk about is a Scott
Peterson stuff and I and that'sprobably going to be four
episodes right there dude, ohyeah, I think that's that's dude
.
That stuff is insane.
The the absolute, and I'm not.
I've watched that twice.
Yeah Well, I'm fixing to watchit again.
The absolute shitty job.
(47:45):
That was a Modesto policedepartment, wasn't it?
Yeah, I think that was the namethat they did in that
investigation and withheldinformation.
I don't understand how he'sstill in prison, even even if he
did it right.
Yeah, like they screwed that upso that there should at least
been enough for him to him to beout and then try to gather more
evidence.
Speaker 2 (48:05):
Yeah, I think there's an appeal on it but they, they
left so much information out.
Man have you ever seen making amurder.
Speaker 1 (48:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (48:13):
Don't even get me started on that one.
Yeah, and how that episode madehim look like he was innocent
and stuff.
Speaker 1 (48:18):
And then all the true .
Have you seen convicting amurder?
Yep.
Speaker 2 (48:22):
Yeah, yeah, candace Owens did an awesome job on that
one, yeah, yeah, and heactually put the truth out.
And they and got thosedetectives on there that were
saying why would the he goes?
When I that one detective said,when I watched the episode and
saw where they had taken a lotof stuff out, that I had said he
goes, I knew immediately theyjust made this for entertainment
(48:43):
purposes.
They didn't want to put thetruth out.
Speaker 1 (48:45):
Yeah, there's a show out there too, called like
confession tapes or something.
Yeah, there there's just one guy.
This girl goes missing from hercar and I don't, I don't know
how hurry with this because Iknow we're, you know, pushing
probably an hour.
But and they find they takethis guy that they think did it
right, yeah, so they pull him infor an interview.
They drive past the policestation, past the sheriff's
(49:06):
office, pass a police station,drive to a sheriff's house on
his ranch and take him into likea shop building in the back,
and that's where they interviewthis guy on this disappearance.
What the hell?
Oh, dude, you need to watch it.
It's on, I think it's onNetflix.
Why don't they take him to hishouse?
It's insane, I'm telling you.
And it was.
This was in Arkansas.
Speaker 2 (49:26):
Holy shit.
Speaker 1 (49:27):
Yeah, I'm telling you , man, but yeah, we need to know
, like it wouldn't just be us.
I mean, if you're able to bethere, if Rich is able to be
there all of us, you know, likewe're.
Speaker 2 (49:38):
I mean it would be like Like we could do it as an
extension of the show and havethem come out on Saturdays or we
could create a new show withjust you and chop, and we can do
whatever I mean we need to seewhat the people want, yeah.
Speaker 1 (49:50):
And then there's Rennix.
Nobody cares what he thinksyeah.
Speaker 2 (49:54):
Nobody misses that.
You know how many people I havemessaged me that says keep him
off there.
We're tired of hearing himclear his throat.
Speaker 1 (50:03):
You know what I'm going to do.
I'm going to do a publicrecords request for all of their
agency's body cam footage.
Speaker 2 (50:08):
Start counting how many times he does that.
Speaker 1 (50:12):
And just put we can do reviews on Rennix's body cam.
Speaker 2 (50:15):
Yeah, and everything he goes out on will have a
little counter come up and go.
It says what can we call itCoughing or whatever.
And then go ding and have itchanged to two, and then he does
it again Ding, change to three.
Yeah, the Rennix cough, allright y'all, we've been chit
chatting for a while.
We're going to get out of here.
Thanks for listening.
Speaker 1 (50:35):
Love you Rich.
Speaker 3 (50:42):
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Hi guys, it's Jared, I'm here.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Hey guys, it's Jason and Rich still isn't here.
And you heard Jared, jared'sgoing to be filling in for Rich
for a few episodes, richard.
So you guys, let me know, goahead and go on Facebook and
tell us say, hey, jared does allright filling in for Rich.
Or you can just say where thehell's rich, we miss him.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
I miss Richard.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
That other dude sucks .
Anyway, on this episode we'regoing to be talking about, we're
going to call us the opioidepidemic.
Anyway, that's what we're goingto be talking about.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
It's not always fun and games for first responders.
Five central Show me in pursuit, but sometimes it is oh my God,
he's not wearing pants again.
Sometimes it's dangerous.
Flip it around, look out, lookout, look out.
Sometimes it's not HandlerBoulevard for a snake and a half
, and sometimes it's just plainstupid and his lap on a
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lawnmower.
This is the stupid side offirst response.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
This bastard, I really have to go to that.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
This is code 0.5.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Come in 0.5.
Yeah, I just like to make anannouncement to everybody that
we're going to be hiring aproducer for the podcast, and
then also, when we go on YouTube, the pay is going to be that
you can drink all the monstersthat rich is willing to give you
.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
I figured it would be the pay that Bubba J gets and
the beef jerky and a six pack ofbushlight.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Yeah, we could do that.
That would be bad, be a gooddeal for us.
I don't know about the otherdude, anyway, so opioid epidemic
.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
So would you rather eat, matter or matter baby?
Eat matter or matter baby.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Tell you talking about matter what matter.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Would you rather eat, matter or matter baby?
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Matter.
Why would I said matter baby?
Speaker 1 (02:22):
If you would have said what's matter?
What's a matter, baby?
Those stupid jokes, that yes.
I think, I think canine wassaying one of those in the
office.
One day I'm starting to stealsome of his dad jokes.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Oh yeah, you're gonna be a what's a matter baby.
You're gonna be graduating thedad status soon, yeah nothing's
way hard.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Oh, so you watch Netflix and Hulu and stuff.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Have you watched anything about Purdue Pharma?
Speaker 2 (03:00):
A lot of them looking at some of.
I know I spelled that wrong.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
I heard about it?
Speaker 2 (03:08):
The, the.
What is it?
It's the pharmacy company thatwas pushing out their oxys.
Yeah, and they weren't.
They were telling people likeit wasn't addicting or something
.
Yeah, they're lying out theirass.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Yeah, so they made a show on Hulu called dope sick
Frickin phenomenal dude showsyou how evil that family and
Purdue Pharma is and basicallyhow they, they I think it was
oxycodone, it was.
It was oxy, something before,and then they came up with a
different oxy that is lessaddictive and oh, and they lied
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about that shit too, yep.
And then they started off withlike 20 milligram, 10 milligram
pills and they went from a 10 toa 20 and then a 20 to a 40 and
a 40 to an 80 and an 80 to a 160and they were like, oh yeah,
you can, you know, do this, thisand this and like got people
and people have an overdoses.
So there was a major lawsuitand there's a bunch of counties
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all throughout the United Statesthat got money from.
That would be opioid lawsuit todo like education and
prevention for opioid, opioidoverdoses.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Oklahoma was one of them.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Yeah, we got some of the money in our county Not a
lot, but we got enough that Imean we could probably buy
training equipment stuff wewanted to.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Yeah, and what blows my mind is how?
Now, when you drive up and downthe street, have you seen the
billboards for Narcan?
Uh-huh.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Yeah, and fentanyl?
Fentanyl test strips so you cantest your shit before you use.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Yeah, yeah, and I should have known we'd get
involved with fentanyl.
But I hate that shit.
I mean I hate meth and I hatethe fentanyl.
Like, I know it has a medicalpurpose, but I hate the shit.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Yeah, it's a man.
So that's kind of how myposition that I got moved into
now got created.
Actually, we started seeingoverdoses and in December of
last year I worked my firstfentanyl overdose, where someone
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died and we're still lookinginto that, but it's looking
pretty promising on that one andI've had eight since then.
Which for for that's just outin the rural area that doesn't
include in our municipalities,and the ones that go unreported
to us, because not all of themget reported to us, yeah, and
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the amount of people that don'tknow.
So I do a community engagementclass and basically on like what
, what is illicit fentanyl?
Speaker 2 (05:51):
How many people show up for that?
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Man, it just depends.
I had two the last time, see,yeah.
So you try to get all theinformation out to people and
nobody but here's the deal, man,if I can get it out to just one
person and they can share itwith two or three or four people
like look at this, the last onethat I did, a newspaper came
and she took notes and she putout a newspaper and so all that
information, I look at that it'sfive, 600,000, 2000,.
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However many people that theyservice.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
We need to do a YouTube video on it.
Oh yeah, yeah, I don't eventhink about that.
Yeah, you put it on the officesand then we can put it on this.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
So that that I mean however many people that
newspaper reaches, and we havewhat 75,000 people in our county
.
I think they service about halfof that yeah, so, plus
everything that they put online,so anyone that's reading it.
But what they did was pretty,pretty neat.
So there was a kid thatoverdosed I say overdosed, he
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was poison.
I mean they're, they're not,they're poisonings, right, yeah,
and so they talked to his momand then used information from
our class in with that and she,his mom, has started a
foundation.
But we actually had aconversation with the mom where,
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whenever her son overdosed, weweren't aware, like, of the
proper way to do things and wedidn't have any training on it.
Yeah, and so I think the DEAended up taking that case and
working it.
But you know, it was one ofthose deals, unfortunately.
We had to learn from from ourmistakes, and we're trying to
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fix that and make it better.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
So but and like the fentanyl being cut into other
drugs, it's like it's relativelynew.
So it's not like you know, whenhe says we didn't know much
about it, it's because it's new,that's, and we're still
learning about it, but yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
And the people don't understand.
It's being put in everything.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
We have meth that's testing positive for fentanyl
marijuana that we find, if in.
So basically what I tell peoplein that class?
Because they're they'repressing pills to look like
legit pills, yeah, and so I usethat class to help people
identify, elicit fentanyl pills.
But they're, they're pressingthem.
Now there was a guy that saidthey're seeing them out west or
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where we're at, and they'redoing them in Tylenol now.
So it looks like a fuckingTylenol or flipping Tylenol
excuse me, a flipping Tylenolpill, and that's.
That's how dangerous it is.
They're doing that.
There could be a freaking kidthat thinks that's Tylenol and
they're taking it.
You know, and it's mom anddad's.
It's just some sad stuff, man.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Yeah, and the thing is is well like, well didn't
like.
Our under sheriff and sheriffwent down to Texas, to the
border last week and they talkedabout how hectic it is down
there and yeah, and in peoplehere.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
so that's one thing I want to talk about.
To that pissed me off.
We didn't, we, our agencydidn't put a social media post
out, which I think we should.
I think we should and I still Istill going to talk to him
about that.
There's a state representativethat put out that he had went to
the border.
They learned all this stuff,and there's people getting on
there bashing him for going downthere and saying, well, that's,
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that's in Texas.
Why are you going down there?
Why?
How does that affect Oklahoma,bob?
I mean are people that stupid?
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Well, and they might not know that the fentanyl
that's coming in like thepipeline is straight from Mexico
.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Yes, and there's no one at the border.
It is.
So whenever they went down,they got with sheriff's office
down there and Texas DPS andthey're there.
Those are the guys that arebasically patrolling the borders
, and you know they're.
They're coming across, not justyou know, it's people from
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nations all over.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
Well, it's kind of like in New York how they didn't
give a crap about like illegalimmigrants coming in because it
was a Texas problem.
Well, when Texas startedsending them to those sanctuary
cities, now all of a suddenthey're panicking and they're
saying these illegal immigrantsthat are coming in or destroying
cities.
It's like that's what we'vebeen trying to tell you.
Oh really, and like thefentanyl that's coming in when
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they show you the map, becausewhen we bust people, some of
them will fess up and tell youwhere it comes from, how it gets
there, and then they make otherbusts and you can actually like
track the pipeline coming upfrom Mexico through Texas and
Oklahoma, and then it dispersesand goes east and west, yep, and
then it'll go all up and downthe coastlines up into.
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There's not much that comes outof Canada, is there?
Speaker 1 (10:56):
No, there's.
There's not a lot that comesout of Canada from what I've
seen.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Yeah, it's like compared to what we get coming
from Mexico.
It's like a just a drop in thebucket or whatever.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Yeah, so it's basically Texas, new Mexico and
Arizona are all of your majorport.
You know entry and California,right?
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
But you can look up maps to the DEA and you can see.
I mean Oklahoma City and eastis just a thoroughfare.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Yeah, I like that, that narcotics school we went to
.
They show you, I mean, and alltheir information that they get
is from you know all the busthey make and data they collect,
and it's like it comes straightfrom damn Mexico.
Yeah, and then you have and I'mgoing to say it, people might
get mad, I don't care.
You have a democratic presidentthat basically will just lie to
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you and say that it's eithernot happening or he can't
remember what happened fiveminutes ago and he doesn't want
to put a stop to it.
And then when you get thegovernor in Texas, it tries to
slow it down or stop it.
Then some damn jackass inWashington or a judge is telling
him to stop doing that.
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He can't even keep cocaine outof the White House man.
Yeah, Okay, it's probably his.
I swear he probably takes it tokeep going.
That's probably how it works.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
So but yeah, they're not just pressing the pill, but
it's not just.
It's not just Mexican cartels,it's Chinese, like gangs and
stuff too, or that, becausethey're getting their synthetic
stuff from China.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
And it's getting sent to Mexico and they're either
just bagging up the powderedfentanyl itself or they're
pressing pills in Mexico andsending it up here.
But there's also pill pressplaces, like in Oklahoma City I
mean they've busted them severaltimes where it's a pill mill
and they're pumping out thesefentanyl pills and they're
they're freaking, killing people.
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Man, we just had one not toolong ago.
Girl overdosed and thenoverdosed again.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Oh you're talking about where it comes from.
I'm sitting here and I pulledthe article up.
Uh, it's produced fentanyl ismostly manufactured in China and
then later sold Mexico.
Mexico then ships the illicitfentanyl across the border for
resale in the United States.
Yeah See, I wasn't making thatstuff up, man.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
But I whenever.
I tell that they said what yeah?
Speaker 2 (13:37):
And this is, and you know, data that we get, doesn't
it?
You don't?
Okay, data we get.
Is it's kind of delay because Ihave to come to the?
Is it's kind of delay because Ihave to compile all of it and
put together?
But the most recent data istalking about reported
encounters with fentanyl in theUnited States.
2013 was a thousand and then in2015, holy shit, one, two, six,
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seven, eight, nine, 10, 11, 12,13, 14, 15,000 encounters.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Yep, uh, oklahoma alone.
Okay, and this is according tothe Oklahoma State Department of
Health.
This is just reported fentanylOverdose deaths.
This is just the deaths, yeah,and, and these are the ones that
were classified as fentanyloverdose.
Some of them got probably gotmisclassified.
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Right In 2019, there was 47 forthe entire state of Oklahoma,
yeah, entire state.
Last year there was 300.
So what that tripled Somewherein there More than tripled.
And that's just the fentanyl,right, and that's just fentanyl.
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That's not your opioid, that'snot your heroin or any of your
opioid painkiller stuff.
In 2022, 73,654 people diedfrom fentanyl overdose in the
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United States, more than doublethe amount of deaths from three
years prior.
I.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Wish I could find that statistic.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
It's, it's scary, man , they're putting it.
So my mom she lives in Tucsonoh, there's a freaking crap hole
man, there's nice parts, but Imean you're close to the border,
close enough the border whereyou're getting some, you know,
pretty violent crimes.
She was telling me that the,the dope dealers there are are
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Selling like talky chips andstuff that have fentanyl and
they're they're selling them tolike younger kids they are
getting.
This is how messed up thecartel is, is they they?
They are looking to geteveryone addicted that they can,
including children, so theyhave a continuous, continuous
consumer base.
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So until something is done,we're, we're gonna lose
generations.
You have, you have 13 year oldsoverdosing on fentanyl a
three-year-old each of us.
What was that?
Broken bow?
The vacation place with all thecabins.
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Oh yeah, okay, it was like athree-year-old.
There's a party the week before.
Touch some powder that was lefton a table and an overdose and
died from a fentanyl overdose.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Yeah, and all I did was touch it.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
Yeah, it's insane man and people don't like.
That's why I tell in that classI tell people like if you have
a Kid that is in their 30s, 20s,younger, and if they're younger
than 18 and you don't know ifthey're an addict, you need to
be like keeping.
Social media platforms haveeven created little blue pills
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like emojis that they can sendSnapchats like one of the worst
companies in the world.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
But they, they relate this.
So the people and that's that'swhat most of them are using a
snapchat or what's app and allthis other stuff.
I mean, they're using theseapps that are hard to track.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
And I'm trying to find these statistics on the
overdoses.
I'll keep talking, man you knowwell, because I found one
before that talked about drugoverdoses, and somebody was
talking to me before about howMarijuana can't kill you and
that you can't Bullshit die fromit, and I found the statistics
where people had died frommarijuana overdose because it
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slows your respiratory down somuch that you could just stop
breathing and that's like themarijuana we have nowadays is so
much worse than what they had,you know, back in the 80s and
90s and Hmm, here's what I'velearned in my 32 years of being
on this earth Is whatever thegovernment can make money at,
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along with other companies.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
And they keep making money the government, so they
don't care.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Well, and like with marijuana, like they were
telling us and we're in thatnarcotics school the state
hasn't really made shit when itcomes to marijuana.
Yeah and they tell and I can'twhat was the number it was like,
and Correct me if I'm wrongthere was like 700 Thousand
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pounds of marijuana grown lastyear.
Yeah, but only like 200,000 wasaccounted for.
That was sold Mm-hmm and theothers it's all black market
marijuana, yeah, and we're likethe black market capital of the
world.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
Yeah, we have 8,000 marijuana grows in our state.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
You know how many Arkansas has no, it was like
five or something.
Yeah why in the hell do we needthat many?
Speaker 1 (18:57):
It's the way that they said.
They wrote this whole thing.
You had all these potheds thatwere wanting to be able to smoke
weed for medical reasons.
Yeah, they said it's totallyscrewed, it's, it's, it's
brought human trafficking, likeif you live in a rural county
and you have marijuana grows,you have human trafficking.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
If you don't think that, like they, like who was I
talking to?
Let's just let's find like asmall, smaller county out east,
a rural huge county, yeah, okay,they, there's human trafficking
there and that Holdenville, Ithink, is like their biggest
city, right and people the otherthere's.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
There's no way well, when I think of human
trafficking they probably thinkof like little kids or women,
yeah, for like sex stuff orwhatever.
When human traffickingencompasses more than that and
In the government.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
The federal government's not doing anything.
You come across these people atmarijuana grows and they're
they're here illegally.
They're not doing anythingabout it anymore, not whenever
Trump was like Trump was inoffice.
You could call and they wouldsay, yep, throw them in your
jail will fax over ice detainer,holy shit.
Okay, yeah, you know.
But the people like it's reallybad in Arizona, man, the people
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they come from just violentfelons that have been deported
numerous times and they you canwalk like, like the they
whenever they went down there tovisit in Texas.
There's spots where you justwalk across the border.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Yeah, I believe it.
It's insane well then, like allthe other statistic they were
telling us on marijuana, ifevery citizen of the United of
Oklahoma, if every citizen inOklahoma Smoked a joint a day,
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at the end of the year youwouldn't even scratch like 2% of
what we produce.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Yeah, and I.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
When they were talking about how these grows.
Electric bills per month.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Yeah, two to three hundred thousand a month.
Yeah, they.
There's a Down in SoutheastOklahoma, meryl.
There's a marijuana grow thatpaid them to put a a power
station, basically Because theycouldn't sustain it.
So they gave them like amillion dollars cash to build
everything that they needed tobuild, and Then they they pay
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them in cash every month whatthey're letting.
So these electric companiesaren't cooperating with law
enforcement Whenever it comes tothese illegal growths because
they're making a killing.
Yeah, and whenever I saidpotheds earlier, I know I'm not,
I'm not fully against marijuana.
I mean I think I think thatthere's some that that it helps
with some things, but don't callit medical marijuana.
Just because you want to sit athome and get high, yeah, I mean
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it's not medical yeah.
I mean, let's just be honest.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
I mean cuz, like they say, if it was a, if it had
medical purpose, it wouldn't bea schedule one.
So that's, and that's why theyget recommendations, they don't
get prescriptions, and that'swhy it's not a prescription,
that's why it doesn't come froma pharmacist, because it's not
medical marijuana.
Yeah, it has no medical purpose.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
I mean, I'm a firm believer of legalize it for
recreational guidelines forgrows and then tax the shit out
of it.
Yeah and Let counties set theirown tax as far as you know the
marijuana cells and stuff andjust make, make money off it
because you're going to.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
But I think they're on the right track with that
because they've increased thefees, yeah, for those grows,
yeah, but that's not gonna helpwith the illegal stuff, because
if they're growing it andselling it on the black market,
yeah well, like that one damnsemi that they were loading up
at like 10 o'clock at night orwhatever, and I'm like whoa,
that's, that's suspicious ashell.
Who operates a business at thattime, you know, and all that
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they're loading that shit up toship off.
Where was that it?
It was on the north side of thecounty.
Hmm, yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
Yeah, they're probably taking it to New York.
I think is where a bunch ofours is going right now.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Yeah, I've heard New York and Tennessee.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
Yeah, something like that.
And then they've got, likepeople, money loads coming from
Memphis you know paying for abunch of it's dude.
It's insane.
The criminal element that thatthey go to you know they'll load
up you halls with hundreds ofpounds of marijuana, yeah, and
then they're there you knowselling it and there's just no.
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It's the way it was all set uphere in Oklahoma was just
screwed up, man.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
We should have talked more in depth to other states.
Yes, we did it.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
Yeah, yeah.
And then now you have they'restarting to see marijuana grows,
with the Chinese nationaliststhat when they're, they pulled
pill presses out of and they'rethey're processing, yeah,
fentanyl pills.
They don't give a crap man,they're gonna kill your son,
your daughter, your husband,your grandchildren with all this
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fentanyl stuff.
So I Guess how much I can gobuy a fentanyl pill in Oklahoma
City.
For now, this flux, this isthis price fluctuates, by the
way, I don't know.
20 bucks in Oklahoma City.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Ten bucks.
Hmm, am I going too low?
Need to high?
Oh, I'm too high for a fentanylpill.
Two dollars.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
There's someone right now for five bucks a pill, $5 a
pill, here in Oklahoma City.
You take it back to Shawnee,sell for 15 to $20 a pill, 10,
10 to 20 it was $20 a pill.
It cost, I think, 25 to 50cents a pill to manufacture them
, to press them, and thenthey're flipping around and
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selling for five bucks a pill.
Damn, that's a killing yeah soif you think that they care
about your and I've ran intopeople that we've caught with
fentanyl before- Mm-hmm and this.
This is what they.
I said you know that stuff hasfentanyl in it.
Well, yeah, but man, I've nomind, I've known my guy for a
while.
They wouldn't sell me one ofthe bad pills.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Okay, yeah, you think they know as long as they're
making a dollar, they don't givea shit.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Yeah, yeah if, if, if you were not getting something
from a pharmacist, you wereplaying Russian roulette.
Every time you use any drug nowmarijuana, meth, if you, if you
don't get marijuana from amarijuana like a marijuana
dispensary, you're playing.
If you bite off the streets,you're playing Russian roulette
with your life.
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And people are okay with it.
There's, there's people in ourcounty that they didn't.
There's Teenagers that didn'tknow they thought they were
taking percocet or a pain pill,yeah, and they got addicted to
them.
And it's fentanyl and it's hardto kick.
It's harder to kick than heroin.
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And you've got 17, 18 year oldsthat are freaking addicted to
them.
The it's it man issues is crazy.
We I mean, we were talkingabout the other day and it I'm
not trying to sound like weirdor anything, but you have, you
know, not 18, 19, 20 year oldguys and girls that have their
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whole life ahead of them, young,attractive people, right, they
have a bright future and theystart using this stuff and and I
don't know what it is, but it'sit just ruins, ruins everything
about their body, man.
I mean, they're theirThought-processing and all that.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Okay, well, what was that other stuff that they're
putting in with it?
Speaker 1 (26:30):
Oh, like a horse tranquilizer.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Trot starts the K or X or yeah mmm, and it's freaking
making flesh rot.
Yeah, and the reason they won'tdo anything about it is because
it's in the horse industry orsomething.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
Um, yeah, here it is Zilazine.
Yeah, that's it Zilazine, andthey won't.
Uh, their state's Louisiana, Ithink, is the first state that
passed it.
To put it as scheduled, yeah,but they don't want to do it
because, uh, veterinarians canjust hand that shit out for cows
and stuff.
Um, they can just hand outmassive amounts to farmers for
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their whole herd for their wholeherd, where, if it was
controlled, it would be.
This bottle is for Betty Suethe cow.
This bottle is for Betty Sue,number two, the cow.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
This in and it's like well, I'm sorry that it's an
inconvenience, but I guaranteeyou those farmers wouldn't find
an inconvenience if their grandkid or their kid was using that
shit.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Yeah, cause like they're putting it in with the
fentanyl, because I don't thinkit makes it stronger, it makes
it last longer.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
Yeah, and then if somebody's overdosing on it,
when you hit them with Narcan,yeah, it get.
It does away with the fentanylhigh, but that xylazine that's
in their system that's stillgoing to kill them and there's
nothing we can do for it.
Is that right?
Speaker 1 (28:05):
It doesn't intensify it.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
It makes it longer.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
So xylazine?
Uh deadly mystery of who'slacing xylazine, a dangerous
horse tranquilizer, in America'sstreet drug supply.
The chemical, often mixed withfentanyl, is turning up all over
the country, devastating peoplewith addiction.
Uh, it eats your skin away andyou just have a hole and then it
, and then it leaves a scar.
Uh, experts say it's unclearhow and why xylazine is uh
(28:31):
spreading so fast.
And pure addiction.
Correspondent Brian Mann foundthis lack of information.
So wider problem.
I mean, there's very, there'snot a lot of info on it.
Um, and so they're.
They're talking about, you knowwhy don't government agencies
track it?
And that's that's why, uh,let's see here.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
And I think they said in Louisiana, those guys, that,
um, they got it as, uh,scheduled, yet that when the
vets prescribe it, they canstill do it based on a herd, but
they need the total number inthe herd and their numbers are
like their tag numbers orwhatever.
So you can still give it outfor per herd, but you have to
(29:19):
track it more and then, likewhenever you know cause, what do
they call it?
They floating the teeth, yes,and they're filing them down.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
They'll give it to the horse to chill them out,
yeah, yeah, but you'd they justhave to monitor what horse they
give it to and how much, and allthat stuff, yeah, and and it
would keep it from you know,like you going in and saying,
hey, I have a hundred cattle andyeah, I need, I need, I was
informed.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Yeah, and it would stop that being just handed out
to everybody.
Yes, yeah, cause now, as longas I'm getting my fentanyl
brought in from Mexico, I can goin to any vet and get xylosine
and then cut it with that shit.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
Dude, it's sad man it's, and this is one of those
conversations that you couldtalk about for hours.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
I mean just just the amount of like what was that guy
talking about in class?
That person that was hooked onfentanyl?
No, I think they got into justxylosine one of the two and they
had like a wound on their armor their leg and they could see
the bone.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
Yes, here in Oklahoma .
Speaker 2 (30:23):
Yeah, it was in Oklahoma city, because that shit
eats away at your skin.
But they didn't.
I guess they didn't carebecause they're getting the
fentanyl that's killing the painand then they don't care if
it's eating away their body.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
Yeah, yeah, I was eating away a hole in her, like
her leg or something like that,and they could see the bone in
her leg.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
Yeah, they dude showed me a picture of it
because I was like Holy hell andthey were like she wasn't
hurting or nothing.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
She was so screwed up on that stuff.
Yeah, it's insane.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
I mean it is as addiction is insane.
The things that you will do toyourself and your family people
that you honestly care about,like the things that you would
do to them.
It's just, I don't understandit.
It's crazy and it's anationwide issue.
(31:11):
I mean that town inPhiladelphia where they have
using stations.
Come here and use and then putyour fricking shit in this
container so that nobody getsstuck.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
I think it is Philadelphia.
Let's have another problem, andthe night it's a street that
you see a bad on things than areI'm also.
I did and it was showing thatdude that drove around in his
truck just up and down thestreet and he had like enormous
amounts of Narcan in his truck.
Yeah, to save people, yeah, andon polls they have like Narcan
(31:46):
stations because everybody'sgetting high everywhere and
Kensington, I think, is what itwas called.
Is that the name of the streetor name of the town?
These are the names.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
Let's look Phillies, next mayor could try to end Ken
Kensington's open air drugmarket.
I think that's the name of thestreet.
Yeah, future Philadelphia opencrisis included tougher
crackdown on Kensington's openair drug market.
According to the candidatesrunning for Philadelphia mayor,
(32:23):
they had strategies on deaths inthe city.
The Kensington section was aspecial focus.
Yeah, so they.
It's basically like drug addictalley and they're they're have
safe using places and like boxesthat have Narcan in them.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
So someone's overdosing and you can go pop
the box and and give them Narcanand then when you take their
highway from them, they just godo it again, yeah, yeah, and
that's not helping either.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
I mean, even if you take somebody and lock them up
in jail, I mean that keeps themfrom getting their shit and then
they might have to get sent outor something, because they're
detoxing off of it or whatever,that might be the best damn
start for some of them.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
Yeah, it's man.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
I have so many ideas in my head on how to make things
like things better, even withour justice system, and see and
I don't know how to talk aboutthat kind of stuff, because you
know, I hear about people thatget addicted to stuff and that
addiction is a disease and thenit's terrible and but like like,
I dipped for a little while andthen one day I was like man,
(33:28):
I'm just tired of doing this andI just stopped.
And then I'd smoke a cigaretteevery now and then I just man,
whatever I'll drink, and then Imight not drink for a month or
so.
I mean, the only thing that Icould say I'm addicted to is
like good ass food.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
Well, that's the deal .
Everybody there's differentaddiction, so people get upset
whenever you compare it likethat, though.
But if you look at severely,like I mean I'm obese, right, I
mean I'm overweight, I mean it's, it's a bit doctor.
But you look at like five, six,700 pound people who are so
(34:01):
overweight that they're going todie within the next five years
because their bodies are goingto give out, or 10 years, yeah,
and all they're doing is eatingwhole pizzas and drinking
fucking four, you know two literof Coca Cola's a day.
That's their addiction andthat's what they're shoveling
into their body.
And then you have a guy that isaddicted to methamphetamine and
(34:21):
he's shooting up or smoking andhe's putting that in his body.
You know there is just whataddiction are you choosing?
Speaker 2 (34:28):
My, my damn sure is food is I can go get a pizza and
eat three pieces and I'm good.
Yeah, but no, I, because, like,I just love the taste and
especially if it's good and I'lleat that whole.
I'll keep eating it until it'sgone.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
Our lunch wasn't, I wasn't impressed.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
Oh no.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
Yeah, no.
But here's the thing aboutsomeone that's an addict is,
until they're ready to change,they're not going to change.
You can make them do drug court, a piss test, you know, two,
three times a week, and if theywant to use, they're going to
use.
If they're not ready to change,they're not going to change.
And so I'm a firm believer ingiving people opportunity in
(35:09):
justice reform, but not the kindof justice reform that we have
going on right now.
I'm a firm believer that if youare a first time offender you
shouldn't go to prison unlessit's like you know, like murder,
rape, yeah.
Oh yeah, If you're going to rapesomebody or murder someone,
then obviously you have to go to.
You know, yeah, but if, ifyou're 20 years old like our
(35:31):
marijuana law that we had beforewere if you got convicted of it
and then you got caught asecond time, it was a felony for
having just there was so manypeople that are felons because
fucking cops got overzealous andthey charged them with a felony
over a freaking joint becausethey wanted a good felony arrest
and that was a good arrest backin the day.
And no, it wasn't.
It was a shit arrest and I'mguilty of back in the day
(35:54):
whenever meth was a felony.
If you had a scrape bag and Icould test it and it tested
positive and there was a littlebit of crystal in there, you
were going to jail.
And I look back and I'm justlike what the hell man?
You know, like people, that'snot what people need.
They need some sort of optionand then you give them the
option to change.
You know it's like if you're 19and you're high and you
(36:17):
burglarize a house, right, Ithink you need to be held
accountable.
I don't think that you need togo to prison over it.
You know not, unless someone isinjured or hurt in the process
of you committing yeah, no, not,not prison.
But that guy, that guy that shotthe Cleveland County deputy,
you know shit like that Scumbagpiece of shit yeah he shouldn't?
(36:38):
He should be in print, likestuff like that.
If you're, if you are a needle.
Yes, yeah, yeah, it's, it'sinsane dude, I mean.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
I was kind of like how you know you're saying that
people aren't going to get helpuntil they're ready to get.
That reminds me of the juvenilesystem.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
And we're sitting there, because I used to work at
a juvenile facility and theytalked about treatment,
treatment, treatment, treatment.
And then I was in college,while I'm at this facility, and
then one of the classes I tookwas over juvenile justice and it
says that treatment in ajuvenile justice facility does
not work, because they said kidsaren't mature enough to know
(37:22):
that they need help and thatwhat they're doing is wrong, so
they're just there to buy, buy,get through whatever they're
doing and then they're going togo back out until they get older
and mature and then they makethe decision to stop being a
little idiot.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
But they were so hard up on doing treatment and it's
like this class I'm taking saysright here that juvenile
treatment and juvenilefacilities does not work.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
It, in it doesn't.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
And like the recidivism rate was like 98%,
it's like so, no matter what youdo with these kids, when they
get out they're going right backin.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
Trying to find this thing here.
Hold on.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
But yeah, and we need to talk about how how all these
drugs that we talked about areso intertwined with property
theft.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
Dude, it's insane.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
And it's funny how, like you'll get somebody, you'll
get them thrown in jail.
You get them locked up.
Your property crime that getsreported goes down for a few
days and then all of a suddenit'll go back up again and then
you look and like, oh so, and sogot released out of jail.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
Yeah, and like the other day they caught a guy that
was had like 10 fentanyl pillsand holding like stolen vehicle,
all that stuff.
You want to know what his bondwas said in 500 bucks, $3,000.
(38:57):
Yeah, and he was out.
I pulled him over on a trafficstop like a few days later and I
mean that's another issue.
Is like the bond stuff likedon't get me wrong, so he had
trafficking white and fentanylyes.
And he or no, he didn't havetrafficking weight.
He didn't say maybe it wasn't10 pills, maybe it's like five,
(39:21):
five or four.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
Well, I thought it was.
Was it a gram or is it fivegrams?
He has five grams oftrafficking, trafficking.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
I got to cheat sheet for that stuff because I I got
so much stuff in this?
Speaker 2 (39:31):
Yeah, because for every drug it's different.
What gets me is that they'llget that low bond and you're
like damn it, this must been hisvery first time to get caught.
And then you look and you'relike no, it's his 17th time to
get caught.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
It's like why isn't it born like $50,000 or some
shoe?
Speaker 1 (39:52):
Yeah exactly, and people I don't think realize
that law enforcement is, uh likethe bedrock for a civilized
society, and they, they there'speople that don't view it that
way.
Yeah, and in so that, inresponse to that, I'm like, well
, this all going strike for 24hours and see what happens, she,
yet you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (40:13):
Imagine yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
And in the same people that are like, oh, we
don't need cops would be, youknow, calling uh.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
but Well, just looking at Oregon, See how that
worked out.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
They were defunding police departments.
Now, all of a sudden they'rebringing them back and they're
increasing their funding atthese departments.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
That's my ringtone that Jason has set up for me.
Speaker 2 (40:34):
Yeah, that's my wife.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
Everything, yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:40):
I'm probably going to get you hold that because I
didn't answer you.
Better answer it.
Go ahead and answer it.
She says she's being sent thevoicemail we can.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
We can wait, Go ahead .
Speaker 2 (40:48):
I'm freaking sweating right now.
Get the meat.
So I answer she's going to killme.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
But, uh, to go along with all of that stuff, you, you
, we have too many politiciansthat are in offices and and I
understand you have to in orderto be in an elected position.
You have to be a politician tosome extent but there should be
people focusing on programs notonly benefit us right now, and
(41:17):
I'm talking about from chiefs ofpolice that aren't elected to
sheriffs who are aconstitutional office in the
state of Oklahoma, all the wayup to the governor.
You should be looking atprograms that you want to.
You know, put down, they'regoing to benefit us, not just
now, but for generations to come, and there there's no elected
official right now.
(41:37):
That is that I mean there's.
There's several that are tryingto do good, but you can't just
have five guys out of 200, youknow, and and it's like they, it
just seems like they don't careenough.
Like, look at the intermittentstudy they did on deputy
sheriffs in Oklahoma.
Did you read that?
Are you talking about their?
Speaker 2 (41:54):
pay.
Yes, it averages in the state.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
It averages out to $10 an hour, ten dollars an hour
.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
Why do you have to bring me?
Bring that up, because itpisses me off to no end that the
average is $10 an hour.
But then they pay troopers likethree times a deputy and all
troopers do is write damntickets, yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:16):
So many, two thousand .
You start off at like $72,000 ayear or so.
Speaker 2 (42:19):
They got all that jurisdiction and they can't do
shit with it.
What was it that they said?
Speaker 1 (42:23):
Them troopers are mad because they got all that
jurisdiction and something.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
Yeah, they can't, they can't do nothing about it.
Speaker 1 (42:28):
I mean don't get me wrong, man.
I mean I've got.
I like a bunch of our troopersthat in my opinion which my
opinion doesn't really mean crap.
I guess a sheriff's office inthe state of Oklahoma is a
constitutional office, yeah, sothe state should have some
requirement for helping to fund.
They ought to flip that.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
Troopers should get paid $10 an hour and we should
be getting like 70 starting outhere.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
The Navy Sills Law Enforcement bro.
Oh my God Okay.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
It blew my mind whenever I worked a domestic
early in my career and a troopershowed up to back me and he
gets there and he goes.
Hey, I was like I just kind oflooked at him and I'm like what
Cause I'm there?
And I'm like, oh yes, someone'shere to help me and he goes.
He gets quiet and he goes.
What do I do?
I just turned a look down and Iwas like, what are you talking
about?
And he goes.
(43:20):
Man, he goes.
I'm a trooper, we don't workthis stuff.
He goes.
We, you know, we get on thehighway and ride tickets.
We don't work freaking thiskind of crap.
And he's not joking.
And I was like do what?
And I got to talking to him andI was like, really, I was like
y'all really don't do anything.
And he's like, no, I mean causeI think one just here recently
they got the, the statutoryauthority, to work uh, domestics
(43:43):
and EODs as long as they're onthe highway, or something.
Speaker 1 (43:46):
They got, they got.
No, they have the sameauthority as a peace officer and
that was like, maybe in thelast 10 years yeah.
And.
But they'll try to say, well,we don't do EODs and we don't, I
don't, that's criminal, wedon't do that.
Well then, if you're going to,you're not going to be a real
cop, go work somewhere else Okay.
Speaker 2 (44:00):
And here's something else I don't understand.
If I go to an academy at CLEET,then I decide I want to be a
trooper.
Why do I have to go to theiracademy when you have to know a
lot more to be a deputy and worklaw enforcement than you do to
be a trooper?
Speaker 1 (44:17):
I mean, I guess you can learn how to write tickets.
Speaker 2 (44:19):
I mean, if I, to train a trooper, I could send
them through a two week programand cut them loose?
Yeah, probably.
We probably shouldn't talkabout this.
We're going to make it, somepeople man.
Speaker 1 (44:30):
You probably have some troopers that listen to
this thing Probably, and nowwe're going to get tickets
anytime.
Oh, there's a, there's a littledirt.
Speaker 2 (44:36):
I'm going to write him a ticket.
Yeah, you think we don't donothing, huh?
Don't forget to put yourfreaking hat on.
Speaker 1 (44:45):
Those guys will get in trouble.
Man, it's starting to lax up alittle bit because you see them
wearing polos and stuff.
Yeah, but back in the day, ifthey got out of their car and
they didn't have their littleMount Me hat on, they would get,
they would get rowed up by asupervisor for being out of
uniform.
Really, I tell you how insaneit is that's why, troopers are
assholes.
Speaker 2 (45:01):
I asked one time I was like about their hat or
whatever.
And he goes.
They told us that we wear ourhat, cock like that and down
because it's intimidating orwhatever.
And I looked at him and I go.
When I was a little kid Ialways thought troopers were
stupid looking with those hatson.
Speaker 1 (45:16):
No, you know why they wear them that low.
What's that?
What's that surgery?
Where they like, remove yourbrain and stuff.
Speaker 2 (45:21):
Lobotomy yeah, they got to hide the lobotomy scar
that they have from trooperagain.
Hey, we better stop and shutthis thing off, or we're going
to start making some people mad.
Do we need to quit already,dude, we've been going for 45
minutes.
Speaker 1 (45:38):
Well, hey, we need to do the poll because the people
need to make a decision on ifthey want it or not.
Oh yeah, About the chop andJared show.
Speaker 2 (45:46):
Yeah, we've been talking about something about
starting either another episodewith this or new podcast.
Totally, you guys probablyremember Captain Chop and Jared
here, poor chop.
Yeah, they're wanting to talkmore about real cases and case
law and stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (46:07):
But yeah, we're like fun, Like the Scott Peterson
stuff.
Yeah, so have have an hour orhour and a half long podcast
that you can watch on theweekend and have video with it
and we dissect stuff like whatwe, what is our opinion?
But like watch that stuff offof a Hoolera Netflix or get body
cam footage and go through itand kind of not only explain to
(46:29):
people what's going on and givethem a different look to it, but
then like our opinion on stuffand I'm like what don't know
operator does, except he's likeprobably 10 times fun.
More funny than you knowbecause of him is why I wear
jeans to work every day.
So he did a review on a bodycam deal and the body cam went
(46:50):
slightly forward.
He paused it and you say hesaid he's wearing jeans, he's
definitely a jump out boy.
And so now I'm like I'm wearingjeans every day because I want
to be a jump out boy yeah.
Yeah, but no, like stuff.
It's going to be freakingawesome, but I guess we got to
let the people decide and see ifthey want it or not.
Speaker 2 (47:07):
Yeah, what we'll do is on the every episode that
gets published it gets put onFacebook.
So just go on the Facebook onthat episode and put on there
what yay or nay for the the chopand jerk show, or whatever
we're going to call it, yeah,and we'll bring body cam stuff.
Speaker 1 (47:25):
The first thing that I want to talk about is a Scott
Peterson stuff and I and that'sprobably going to be four
episodes right there dude, ohyeah, I think that's that's dude
.
That stuff is insane.
The the absolute, and I'm not.
I've watched that twice.
Yeah Well, I'm fixing to watchit again.
The absolute shitty job.
(47:45):
That was a Modesto policedepartment, wasn't it?
Yeah, I think that was the namethat they did in that
investigation and withheldinformation.
I don't understand how he'sstill in prison, even even if he
did it right.
Yeah, like they screwed that upso that there should at least
been enough for him to him to beout and then try to gather more
evidence.
Speaker 2 (48:05):
Yeah, I think there's an appeal on it but they, they
left so much information out.
Man have you ever seen making amurder.
Speaker 1 (48:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (48:13):
Don't even get me started on that one.
Yeah, and how that episode madehim look like he was innocent
and stuff.
Speaker 1 (48:18):
And then all the true .
Have you seen convicting amurder?
Yep.
Speaker 2 (48:22):
Yeah, yeah, candace Owens did an awesome job on that
one, yeah, yeah, and heactually put the truth out.
And they and got thosedetectives on there that were
saying why would the he goes?
When I that one detective said,when I watched the episode and
saw where they had taken a lotof stuff out, that I had said he
goes, I knew immediately theyjust made this for entertainment
(48:43):
purposes.
They didn't want to put thetruth out.
Speaker 1 (48:45):
Yeah, there's a show out there too, called like
confession tapes or something.
Yeah, there there's just one guy.
This girl goes missing from hercar and I don't, I don't know
how hurry with this because Iknow we're, you know, pushing
probably an hour.
But and they find they takethis guy that they think did it
right, yeah, so they pull him infor an interview.
They drive past the policestation, past the sheriff's
(49:06):
office, pass a police station,drive to a sheriff's house on
his ranch and take him into likea shop building in the back,
and that's where they interviewthis guy on this disappearance.
What the hell?
Oh, dude, you need to watch it.
It's on, I think it's onNetflix.
Why don't they take him to hishouse?
It's insane, I'm telling you.
And it was.
This was in Arkansas.
Speaker 2 (49:26):
Holy shit.
Speaker 1 (49:27):
Yeah, I'm telling you , man, but yeah, we need to know
, like it wouldn't just be us.
I mean, if you're able to bethere, if Rich is able to be
there all of us, you know, likewe're.
Speaker 2 (49:38):
I mean it would be like Like we could do it as an
extension of the show and havethem come out on Saturdays or we
could create a new show withjust you and chop, and we can do
whatever I mean we need to seewhat the people want, yeah.
Speaker 1 (49:50):
And then there's Rennix.
Nobody cares what he thinksyeah.
Speaker 2 (49:54):
Nobody misses that.
You know how many people I havemessaged me that says keep him
off there.
We're tired of hearing himclear his throat.
Speaker 1 (50:03):
You know what I'm going to do.
I'm going to do a publicrecords request for all of their
agency's body cam footage.
Speaker 2 (50:08):
Start counting how many times he does that.
Speaker 1 (50:12):
And just put we can do reviews on Rennix's body cam.
Speaker 2 (50:15):
Yeah, and everything he goes out on will have a
little counter come up and go.
It says what can we call itCoughing or whatever.
And then go ding and have itchanged to two, and then he does
it again Ding, change to three.
Yeah, the Rennix cough, allright y'all, we've been chit
chatting for a while.
We're going to get out of here.
Thanks for listening.
Speaker 1 (50:35):
Love you Rich.
Speaker 3 (50:42):
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