June 3, 2025 • 30 mins
What if the biggest obstacle in your career journey isn't your resume, network, or skillset—but the way you talk to yourself? In this episode, we explore how our internal dialogue shapes our professional possibilities in profound ways.
Stanford psychologist Carol Dweck's research reveals that people with growth mindsets are three times more likely to excel in achievement tests, and similar patterns emerge in workplace success. We share personal struggles with "deficit mindset"—that persistent feeling of not being enough that can feel like hiking uphill in the blazing sun.
It's not just positive thinking—it's about creating the internal conditions that allow you to take action, see opportunities, and persevere through challenges. We talk about highly successful people who share that they don't experience imposter syndrome and we reflect on how their beliefs impact their success.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's until you change that messaging and you have
that experience too where yougrow from zero to where you are
and you will continuously evolvethat that mindset comes with it
.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
You are listening to Coffee and Career Hour.
We are your hosts.
I'm Armina and I'm MJ, twocareer counselors and friends
chatting about all things lifeand career.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
So grab a cup of coffee and join us.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Welcome back to Coffee and Career Hour.
I'm Armina and I'm MJ, andtoday we're talking about
something that's at the core ofpersonal and professional growth
, and that is growth mindset.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
It's that ability to stay open, to keep learning and
see challenges as chances togrow, not as signs that you've
failed.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
And get this.
Research from Stanfordpsychologist Carol Dweck shows
that people who believe theirabilities can be developed
through effort and learningperform better in school, work
and life.
In fact, students with thegrowth mindset are three times
more likely to score in the top20% on achievement tests.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
That's huge, and the same applies in the workplace.
Those who embrace growth tendsto take on more challenges, seek
feedback and recover fasterfrom setbacks.
I definitely need to practicemore growth mindset recover
faster from setbacks.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
I definitely need to practice more growth mindset.
I love that.
I think we all do.
I think it's something we canalways continue to learn and
develop and grow.
But I'm excited to reallyunpack today how developing a
growth mindset and why itmatters and how you can start
shifting your perspective evenwhen things feel tough.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
So why don't we do this?
Grab your coffee and let's getinto how your mindset can shape
your career journey.
More than you might think.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Yeah, MJ.
So when we think about, let'skind of start thinking about our
own career journeys and how ourmindset has really impacted our
experiences, whether that waslike going to graduate school or
getting our first jobs aftercollege or after grad school and
essentially just doing thedifferent things that we've been
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doing in our career journeylike how do you think your
mindset has impacted that?
Speaker 1 (02:15):
it is definitely evolved.
I can tell you, and you'vewitnessed this, I'm someone
who's really quick to beatmyself up or to really think
that the four corners in thesquare is all the options that I
have, or if it's this or it'snothing.
So when I was younger, leadinginto grad school or as an
undergrad, I want to say that Iwalked into that and I remember
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really thinking about like acouple options that I had, or
seeing things just as they were,not really thinking beyond or
wanting to explore more thanwhat was just at face value.
And as someone with that typeof mindset and already knowing
my identities of being first gen, low income, all these
different things in thebeginning of my educational and
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career my professional careerwas really a deficit mindset
that I had.
And it was impacting the choicesthat I made, how I saw myself
be able to attain certainexperiences, or even valued, in
a room too.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Yeah, oh my gosh, that term deficit mindset that's
such a deep word like itimpacted me.
I like I felt something whenyou said that, um, just because
you know, when you operate froma deficit mindset, you're always
beating yourself up.
I resonate with that too.
I'm always like so hard onmyself and, um, even when people
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on the outside will tell youlike, oh you're doing great, or
that was so awesome, or youperformed, or you have this
skill, like you don't evenbelieve it because you're so in
this mindset of like I'm notgood enough and you have your
own limiting beliefs, right.
So I think we all, into somecapacity, have that and that
term.
Deficit mindset is likeoperating from this space of
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like I don't have enough, I'mnot enough, and that's just like
an uphill.
It feels like an uphill battle,right.
You're constantly just likesweating and like imagining like
climbing a mountain and you'relike sweating and the sun is
hitting you, but you're stilltrying to overcome.
That's literally what I'mthinking of with deficit mindset
.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
That's me hiking.
You just explained me hiking.
That's what it feels like,though it's a constant, like
challenge, and you feel that theuniverse I mean, in that
scenario, gravity is against youin that moment and you're
constantly just trying to get tothe next step or reach the next
.
You know height at thismountain or hill or whatever it
is, and a lot of people operatefrom this lens, and a lot of
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people operate from this, fromthis lens, and it is not good,
because we're so used to lookingat the bad or the negative and
pointing it out that when we dodo compliment ourselves, when we
see ourselves in a differentlight, we experience something
different, we feel lighter, wefeel better, we feel happier.
And I think, when we do that,we're able to achieve more than
(05:04):
what we even thought possible ohmy god, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
I think the mindset itself is so impactful in like
motivating us to take action andability to see opportunities
that are right in front of ourfaces.
But if we're not seeing, we'renot operating from a growth
mindset, we're not even able tosee the opportunities half the
time right or see the skillsthat we have to offer right.
(05:28):
And so mindset is so importantfor those reasons.
Not because it's this magicformula that's gonna you know
all of your dreams are gonnacome true, but it's like it's
gonna help you take action.
It's gonna help you feel betterabout yourself and come back
stronger, even if you do mess up, which is inevitable because we
all experience setbacks orfailures and so forth.
(05:50):
But not taking like a setbackas a, as a message that I'm not
good enough, see, I knew it,like I should have never done
this and my life sucks and I Idon't have the opportunity that
other people have.
And, um, if and not notthinking that way and having
that opportunity, like, okay, Imessed up, let me learn from
this and move forward, thatmindset helps us take action and
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actually grow it's funny youmentioned that because you were
talking about metaphors.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
For some reason, this is like sticking in my head
your growth mindset, think aboutlike a car is your growth
mindset.
Your brain is the motor, is themessaging you tell yourself to
other parts of your body toactually get it to move.
If you do not give it themessaging to move forward, the
motor will not work, the partsof the car will not move forward
.
And I was thinking about thatspecifically when I was
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transitioning from grad studentto a full-time career member and
I remember being like what'swrong with me?
You know, like I have all theexperience, all these different
things.
Maybe I just like suck, likeall the things you were just
saying.
And I remember there was thisone day where I was like you
know what today I'm going totell?
Like I was looking, I wasreviewing my resume and I was
like I'm going to tell myselfthat I'm, I'm great, I'm a great
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career counselor, even thoughI've never done it full-time.
I'm a, I'm a great teacher'sassistant when I was doing a TA
ship in grad school.
I'm, I'm great at being acounselor.
I'm a great counselor.
I remember that day.
I don't know if this ismanifesting or Jesus or what,
but like I remember getting likethree emails for interviews oh
my gosh, I love that and I waslike what, like it was this,
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this sense of confidence.
But I wasn't lying to myself.
That's just the truth.
I just we're so hard onourselves sometimes that we it's
almost like our mindset blocksus from opportunities that are
naturally coming our way oh,absolutely, my God.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
That's so cool that you experienced that, because
what you're talking about isessentially manifestation,
manifesting opportunities, notthat they just came and fell
into your lap, I don't knowwhere.
Obviously you had applied tothose positions, you had taken
action and everything right.
But when you start shiftingyour internal world like the way
you speak to yourself and theway that you see yourself, and
(08:04):
start seeing things in morepositive light, like I am
successful, I do have theability to do this, I can do
this then opportunities are.
It's like an energy, becauselife is all about energy, right,
I remember.
Think of physics and scienceand and, and the universe and
how things work.
It's all energy.
So, the energy you put out, itcould either block opportunities
(08:26):
or it could allow opportunitiesto come your way, and it could
be more natural if you'repositive.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Yeah, right, and that's exactly what happened to
you, yeah yeah, I was thinkinghonestly about so much how
people go about their everydaylives and you're you're
absolutely right the energy thatthey put out if you wake up.
And you're you're absolutelyright the energy that they put
out if you wake up and you'relike, oh, this is gonna be a bad
day, I'm gonna have a bad dayat work.
Or I spelled I don't knowsomething on me that happens to
me often like this sucks, itruined my outfit, all these
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different things you really do.
Just live that out.
You live out the message andyou tell yourself and I love
that you that you brought it tomanifestation because you have
to believe it internally to beable to do it.
It reminds me a lot, too, of thebook atomic habits by james
clear and his um, his um, hisexample about like your internal
(09:15):
messaging.
And I don't remember, so don'tquote me on this.
It's really bad that I don'tremember, but I remember him
talking about like running.
At the time I was reading thebook because I was getting back
into fitness and running and allthese different things and he
was saying, like you cannot callyourself like I'm not a runner.
You can't say I'm not a runner.
You have to say, like I am anathlete, I am a runner, to
believe it, to do it.
And I loved that because I'vealways said like well, I'm not a
(09:37):
runner, or I'm not a longdistance runner, I only run like
one or two miles.
But because I was treatingmyself that way, maybe I wasn't
performing my best, and now thatI speak to myself differently,
when it comes to like fitnessand what it is, I'm able to
attain and achieve more thanwhat it is, and it really is
just the energy you put out, butit's internally what matters
(09:57):
the most.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Yeah, oh, my gosh, yeah, I mean I can resonate so
much with that because lately,since I've been wanting to work
out but I haven't been I know myinternal dialogue, I'm very
aware of it Like I've beentelling myself I'm not the, I'm
not somebody who works out rightnow, like I don't have the time
to work out, and I've beencatching myself telling this.
I'm like the more I tell myselfI don't have time, the less
(10:19):
time I'm going to have, becausethe universe is going to keep
mirroring this belief that Ihave, that I don't have time.
So I've been actively workingon, like you know what you need
to believe that you have timeand then you will make time,
just like everybody's.
Because when we look at peoplewho are successful let's say,
for example, using the workingout as an example people wake up
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at 5 am.
I know you've done this, thisright To work out.
You make the time.
We have the same number ofhours in the day and we have
competing priorities.
We both have 9 to 5 jobs.
But I'm like, okay, using youas an example, you wake up at 5
am.
I could do that too, but Idon't believe right now that I
am somebody who works out.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
So I'm not even motivated to take the action, to
do the steps right.
Yeah, absolutely.
It gets me thinking about howmany people who want to do
different types of jobs or likealways pass out on the promotion
or never take the risk to applyfor a different job or a
leadership role because they'relike, oh, like I don't see
myself as a leader, or likeright now it's not the time or
this is just, this isn't this.
I'm comfortable doing whateverit is Right, and they may see
themselves as less than thanwhat they can really offer and
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that really can impact yourcareer and your overall
development as a human in thisworld and internally.
It really impacts you and howyou choose to engage with your
career.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Yeah, oh my gosh, yeah, I've I've been in that
situation before too likethere's clearly a lot of um, I
think.
We think it's like oh, I'm justbeing realistic right like
realistically, I have all thesedifferent priorities, so I don't
know if I can take up apromotion or if I can actually
do what's expected of me in thisjob.
Right, let's say if, if anopportunity comes your way.
(12:01):
But then sometimes you seepeople who apply, who get the,
and they might not always be thebest fit for that role, and
I've been catching myselfthinking like this I'm like okay
, this person clearly doesn'thave the limiting belief that
they are not capable of doingthis or that right now is not
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the right time for them, and andthat belief has gotten them to
get this promotion.
And however they're performingis another story.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
But they were able to like actually take the action,
apply and get the role rightyeah, it really is a reflection
of how you believe in yourselfand where it gets you.
Because I've thought about thattoo, about like people who I
see like on the news, or likepeople on social media who post
like different positions or likethings that they've done.
I'm like dang, you really likenot, and it's not in a bad way,
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it's just I don't have thatsense of belief, that deep sense
of confidence in myself, eventhough, like I've been told,
like you do portray a lot ofconfidence and all these
different things.
I internally don't feel thatway.
But when I see other people,I'm like wow, like their
messaging is very different thanmine, because mine clearly
stops me from doing that or hasstopped me from doing something
similar or going out there,putting myself out there in a
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certain way, where I'm like dang, like this person and I aren't
that different.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
It's our messaging that makes us very different,
that leads them to differentexperiences and opportunities
yeah, yeah, it's amazing, likewhen you look into the energy of
the way the world works or inthe manifestation space they
talk, the teachings talk aboutlike universal laws, and like
one of the universal laws islike that outer world is a
reflection, it's a literally amirror of your internal world.
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So in your internal world, ifyou believe you're not
successful, you believe that,like I'm okay with a regular job
, like quote, unquote, right?
Or I'm not a leader, I can'tlead anybody, I can't manage
anybody, right?
If you believe this, then yourexternal world is just going to
mirror back what you keeptelling yourself, right?
(14:02):
And so this concept of growthmindset, the concept of being
open, the concept of really likeusing positive language and
believing, having that true,like feeling that I am
successful and I can do this, isgoing to help you take action
and get into those spaces.
But the trick is, the questionreally is how do you believe
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these things, right?
If you haven't like been inthose kinds of situations before
?
Like am I lying to myself?
Am I manipulating myself?
How can I actually believe I'msuccessful if I haven't seen it?
Speaker 1 (14:35):
yet, yeah, and that brought that.
That was.
I was actually going to mentionhow, when I was a grad student,
the same example that I sharedin the beginning, like I, you
know, fake it till you make itis something that we don't
really like on this podcast,because we want you to be
authentic to yourself.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
We don't want you to fake it till you make it because
you're you and you should begetting and attaining whatever
it is that you want.
But I didn't have a lot ofexperience and I had, I guess,
taken it upon myself.
That day I was like, reallytook a hard look and was like I
do have what people are askingfor.
I am great, I did believe it inthat small Tinkerbell
(15:09):
experience.
But at the end of the day itwasn't until I can see now,
looking back five years, howmuch I've grown through my
experience to strengthen thatmindset.
And if it hasn't been for thoseexperiences, those people,
those people, the employers, thejobs, the lessons, the
presentations, the failures, thepositives, I would not have I'm
(15:29):
still working on it, but astronger growth mindset than I
did when I started.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Yeah, yeah, because I think sometimes what happens is
people will think that, oh, Ihave to know everything and be
completely ready before I, liketake this next step.
Right, but that's not how lifeworks, because life is all about
learning and growing.
So, as long as you have theskill to learn and the
willingness to learn and thewillingness to like take a deep
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look at yourself and be like, ok, this is where my skill gaps
are, but I can learn this andI'll go out of my way to learn
this, as long as you have that,you take up that new offer, you
try the new thing and then, inthat experience itself, you're
learning and growing and then,sure enough, the universe is
going to mirror what you believethat you can do this yeah I
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remember when I started umworking, my current position
presenting had never beensomething that came naturally to
me.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
That is hard to believe and I remember starting
out and I was scared andtrembling like a chihuahua.
I remember that so hard in thebeginning and it really didn't
come from when I was like facedwith seeing how engaged people
were or how like people wouldlaugh at the silly jokes that I
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would make or just like come upwith the strangest metaphors
throughout a presentation that Inoticed and it's hard to tell
myself like you really are agreat presenter, you are a great
public speaker and, yes, I canget really hard on myself or be
like oh, why did I say that orwhy did I use this word or that
example really didn't make sense.
Or that person's face, theirfacial expression, made me
overthink what I'm, what I'msaying, right, and we all have
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those moments.
But I remember and it's sofunny because recently I was
asked to do a public speakingevent a multiple, honestly,
throughout these last couplemonths and I really like felt it
in my bones.
I was like I'm really good atpresenting and yes, of course I
know my content, but I'm supergood, I'm great at giving a
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presentation, I know how toengage an audience, I know how
to break down concepts or useexamples that are related to my
audience and my populationconcepts or use examples that
are, you know, related to myaudience and my population.
But it's until you change thatmessaging and you have that
experience too, where you growfrom zero to where you are and
you will continuously evolvethat that that mindset comes
with it.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Yeah, yeah, I remember when you were first
like over-preparing for yourpresentations.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
Yeah, you had a lot of notes going and you were
practicing, I would my iPad, mylaptop, my phone.
It was a.
It was a lot.
Yeah, so I was very grad schoolyeah.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
And then I noticed the shift of like all right, we
haven't prepared, let's go dothis.
And I was like, okay, I likethis, but no, it's so true.
I mean, on the topic ofpresentations, when I think
about, you know, we're notnaturally born presenters.
Most, most people aren't right.
Some, some people are born likeas a performer and that's a
natural skill, but most peoplearen't like.
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When we think about when we wereback in school and we had to
take a public speaking class,everybody hated it, right.
Anytime we had to present inany class, everybody was always
nervous.
It's just like part of oursociety, feel like.
But again, for me too, it waslike until I was in grad school
and I was presenting and peoplestarted telling me, hey, you're
a really great presenter, and atfirst I was shocked.
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But once I started really takingthat feedback and I was like,
oh, I am good, people areengaged, people are smiling, I
can actually, you know, askquestions and the audience
actually responds to myquestions, like, then I started
believing it and then it startedgetting even better and better
and then I got roles where Ihave to present, like the
current role that we're in rightnow, where it's an integral
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part of of the job, and then inmy business I'm like presenting
to audiences left and right.
So with that too, it's like Iwould have never thought I would
have done this but it wasn'tuntil I started believing it
that then I started to be inmore of those spaces, and being
in those spaces I grew even more.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Yeah, it's almost like an internal magnet or like
the universe's magnet pullingyou into different spaces that
allow you to experience that too.
Because, trust me, there aretimes where I still get nervous
and I'm like, dude, you're not agood public speaker.
Like, are you really sure?
And I all hesitant, and I'll belike, are you sure you want me
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to do this or are you sure youdon't want someone else?
Or be positive, that email wasmeant for me or whatever it is,
and and it's me second guessingmyself but it it is that
exposure that really doesstrengthen the mindset and it
does lead you to this likesuccessful version of who you
are in these different spaces.
But it's also you have toremember it's a constant
evolution, because you cannot Imean you, maybe you can.
(20:09):
I'm just gonna say this from myexperience.
I do not believe you canconstantly have a growth mindset
.
You're gonna go back and forthwith a fixed or deficit mindset
in this space, because there'sgonna be a balance, but you
always come up to have a growthmindset yeah, oh yeah, I
absolutely agree with that,because you know, life isn't
easy.
(20:29):
I mean, we can all agree to thatlike the young people say you
know, life is lifing okay, yeah,yes, yes, life is lifing.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
There will be setbacks, there will be
challenges, there will be timeswhen you question yourself and,
honestly, that's a good thingtoo, because, like, if you're
not questioning yourself, thenthere's something up there.
Yeah, you have no sense ofawareness.
Yeah, so that's probably notthe best either, but those are
natural and good.
But I think it's the ability tocatch yourself and because we
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tend to, as human beings, getvery like it's stuck in a loop
of, like negative thinking,right, catch yourself, like,
okay, what am I doing?
Am I really being honest withmyself?
Like all these negativethoughts, or am I just feeding
into my negativity feeling,feeding into my emotions right
now and just like being evenmore drastic and being even
extra negative than I?
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Then I need to be yourselfstopping that language that you
use that's stopping you fromtaking action or feeling
motivated, and really justactively, constantly working on
yourself to have a growthmindset, to be open, to attract
more success and moreopportunities.
It's an uphill battle and Ithink it's just something you
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have to always be self-aware ofit takes a lot of work, yeah,
and it's not easy.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
This work is not for the week.
It's not well.
I mean, I'm weak at some pointsand it is.
It is I need it, but it's.
It does take a lot of energyfrom you, and it's something
that's not going to be fixed ina day, nor in a week, nor in two
weeks.
It's not a 14-day remedy.
It's not something that you canjust, you know, pop in drink
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with water and you'll be fixed.
It's something you have toconstantly work on and that goes
hand in hand with your life andyour career.
It's something you have toconstantly be pushing at, yeah,
and you have to be ready to dothe work, and and the work is
here for you to do.
So it's all about how you tellyourself that message, because
guess what?
Success is at the other end ofthe tunnel or at the door.
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If the tunnel sounds reallyscary for some of you, you know
you have to go out and chase it,though yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
So I have a question for you, mj.
The concept of impostersyndrome is very in line with,
you know, having limitingbeliefs and maybe not believing
that we're good enough andsuccessful Right can be remedied
(23:04):
with this concept of growthmindset right?
Because I've heard reallysuccessful people, successful
entrepreneurs, being asked likedo you have imposter syndrome?
And people have said no, like Idon't believe in imposter
syndrome, like I don't have that, and that's not common to hear,
especially in our field, in ourspace education and academia
and career development.
We hear and talk and live andbreathe imposter syndrome.
We experience it ourselves.
(23:24):
Um, but I thought it was reallyinteresting to hear these very
successful people say like theydon't have it.
And now that I think about it,as we're talking about these
concepts, I'm like it kind ofmakes sense because they don't
allow themselves to think withthese limiting beliefs, which
has allowed them to take actionto get to the success that they
have.
So I don't know what are yourthoughts?
Speaker 1 (23:45):
on that.
It's funny because the firsttime I heard, uh, people say
that they don't believe inimposter syndrome, I was shook
to my core because, you're right, we live, breathe.
I say it all the time.
I have imposter syndrome atleast four times a week.
It's just like a workout.
You know, it's multiple's,multiple times, but you're,
you're right, they, they putthis like barrier, this boundary
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between themselves and thisnegative connotation, these
negative conversations, all thethings that can weigh them down.
And I also.
Again, it's this uphill battlethat for them, they're working
towards their happiness, theirsuccess, their positive energy,
and they're not going to allowthat conversation to even take
up space, because if you do,it's like a crack right.
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The more you give it room, themore you give it energy,
physical movement, it grows.
So these people really work tohave like a thick layer of
mindset.
You know, say, you have thickskin, you have a thick mindset
that really protects you fromall of this.
So I do.
I do believe that people canfeel and say that they don't
(24:50):
experience imposter syndrome andmaybe it starts with, like us,
removing that from our languageand talking instead of saying,
oh, you have imposter syndrome,and focus on like you're
resilient.
Yeah right, you have aresilient mindset.
I said that earlier today tosomeone and I was like I love
that, like no, it's, there'snothing wrong with you.
You just have a resilientmindset and we choose.
(25:12):
We need to actively choose todo this for ourselves.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
Oh, I love that.
Yeah, it absolutely makes sensebecause I'm 100, 100 guaranteed
that these people, who aresuccessful millionaires, have
had setbacks and have had timeswhen they doubted themselves and
were probably crying in tearsbecause, you know, things
weren't working out as theyplanned.
But they didn't feed into thenegative thoughts and they like
pushed through and, of course,then, like that, manifested into
(25:38):
success.
So I I understand why theywould say like I don't have
imposter syndrome, though thatdoesn't mean that they're
delusional and that they'venever experienced challenges or
limiting beliefs in their lives.
And I think what happenssometimes, especially in Today's
society, where everything isvery much focused on validating
(25:58):
people's experiences and beliefsand feelings and oh, that is
great Obviously we're counselorsand that's what we're in it for
.
But I think sometimes it getstoo extreme, where it's like
every negative thought, everynegative experience we have is
like validated by everybody andthat like feeds into it.
(26:19):
So then you're like constantlylike yeah, this is how I feel,
this is, my life is hard, Idon't have the resources, I
don't have the opportunities,and then you attract people who
are in the same situation andthen you guys just like.
It's a cycle of like, justfeeling down on yourselves too.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
Yeah, and you know like we have to actively think
as practitioners, how we, how weare changing this, how we are
working with this newergeneration who's entering this
really tough spot in the worldright now, how they choose to
engage with it, how they chooseto speak with themselves, how
they choose to be proactiveabout the opportunities that are
(26:56):
out there and not, let you knowa small setback be the thing
that defies them.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Yeah, yeah.
And when I interact with peoplewho've grown up in other
countries, like when I've hadinternational students, clients
or family members who've grownup in other countries their
limiting beliefs are a lot less.
The fact that they were able tocome to this country, the fact
that they were able to come tothis country, the fact that they
were able to have whateveropportunities they have in this
(27:22):
country, though it's difficult,it's still like better than the
challenges they had in theirhome countries, right?
Or just like everything is morepositive for them.
It's like this is anopportunity I'm going to embrace
it and these people end upbeing more successful because
they don't feed into thechallenges.
They feed into opportunitymindset yep, bingo, it's.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
It reminds.
It was reminding me of aconversation I had with my mom
recently about how everything inthis country so different.
I was talking to her about how,when she grew up, you know, she
didn't have the resources andthe things.
And she's like, yeah, andthat's why people call this the
land of opportunity.
Yeah, and I was thinking aboutthat and I was like, yeah, it's
so true, but a lot of people whoare born here and have only
experienced america don't see itthat way.
(28:07):
They don't.
It's hard for them yeah, it is.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
It is and it's not a perfect country there.
No country is perfect, no placeis perfect, and there will be
challenges in its own way, but Ithink the lens that you, you
see things with really justshifts your experience, and that
goes for career, lifestyle,relationships, money, everything
, everything you can think of isimpacted by the way that you
(28:33):
see things and your, yourinternal language all right.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
so, to wrap up this episode, we want to leave you
with three key takeaways, andthe first is that growth mindset
is essential to success, notonly in your life, but in your
career.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
And also that growth mindset comes from experience.
So as you go through life, andas challenges come about.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
Learning from those challenges, recognizing when you
have a negative mindset andovercome these challenges will
lead to a stronger growthmindset and remind you of how
much you really can do and youwill do.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
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My goal is to help you clarifyyour goals, make a plan and feel
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Speaker 1 (30:06):
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Adios.
It's until you change that messaging and you have
that experience too where yougrow from zero to where you are
and you will continuously evolvethat that mindset comes with it
.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
You are listening to Coffee and Career Hour.
We are your hosts.
I'm Armina and I'm MJ, twocareer counselors and friends
chatting about all things lifeand career.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
So grab a cup of coffee and join us.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Welcome back to Coffee and Career Hour.
I'm Armina and I'm MJ, andtoday we're talking about
something that's at the core ofpersonal and professional growth
, and that is growth mindset.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
It's that ability to stay open, to keep learning and
see challenges as chances togrow, not as signs that you've
failed.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
And get this.
Research from Stanfordpsychologist Carol Dweck shows
that people who believe theirabilities can be developed
through effort and learningperform better in school, work
and life.
In fact, students with thegrowth mindset are three times
more likely to score in the top20% on achievement tests.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
That's huge, and the same applies in the workplace.
Those who embrace growth tendsto take on more challenges, seek
feedback and recover fasterfrom setbacks.
I definitely need to practicemore growth mindset recover
faster from setbacks.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
I definitely need to practice more growth mindset.
I love that.
I think we all do.
I think it's something we canalways continue to learn and
develop and grow.
But I'm excited to reallyunpack today how developing a
growth mindset and why itmatters and how you can start
shifting your perspective evenwhen things feel tough.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
So why don't we do this?
Grab your coffee and let's getinto how your mindset can shape
your career journey.
More than you might think.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Yeah, MJ.
So when we think about, let'skind of start thinking about our
own career journeys and how ourmindset has really impacted our
experiences, whether that waslike going to graduate school or
getting our first jobs aftercollege or after grad school and
essentially just doing thedifferent things that we've been
(02:11):
doing in our career journeylike how do you think your
mindset has impacted that?
Speaker 1 (02:15):
it is definitely evolved.
I can tell you, and you'vewitnessed this, I'm someone
who's really quick to beatmyself up or to really think
that the four corners in thesquare is all the options that I
have, or if it's this or it'snothing.
So when I was younger, leadinginto grad school or as an
undergrad, I want to say that Iwalked into that and I remember
(02:39):
really thinking about like acouple options that I had, or
seeing things just as they were,not really thinking beyond or
wanting to explore more thanwhat was just at face value.
And as someone with that typeof mindset and already knowing
my identities of being first gen, low income, all these
different things in thebeginning of my educational and
(03:00):
career my professional careerwas really a deficit mindset
that I had.
And it was impacting the choicesthat I made, how I saw myself
be able to attain certainexperiences, or even valued, in
a room too.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Yeah, oh my gosh, that term deficit mindset that's
such a deep word like itimpacted me.
I like I felt something whenyou said that, um, just because
you know, when you operate froma deficit mindset, you're always
beating yourself up.
I resonate with that too.
I'm always like so hard onmyself and, um, even when people
(03:39):
on the outside will tell youlike, oh you're doing great, or
that was so awesome, or youperformed, or you have this
skill, like you don't evenbelieve it because you're so in
this mindset of like I'm notgood enough and you have your
own limiting beliefs, right.
So I think we all, into somecapacity, have that and that
term.
Deficit mindset is likeoperating from this space of
(03:59):
like I don't have enough, I'mnot enough, and that's just like
an uphill.
It feels like an uphill battle,right.
You're constantly just likesweating and like imagining like
climbing a mountain and you'relike sweating and the sun is
hitting you, but you're stilltrying to overcome.
That's literally what I'mthinking of with deficit mindset
.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
That's me hiking.
You just explained me hiking.
That's what it feels like,though it's a constant, like
challenge, and you feel that theuniverse I mean, in that
scenario, gravity is against youin that moment and you're
constantly just trying to get tothe next step or reach the next
.
You know height at thismountain or hill or whatever it
is, and a lot of people operatefrom this lens, and a lot of
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people operate from this, fromthis lens, and it is not good,
because we're so used to lookingat the bad or the negative and
pointing it out that when we dodo compliment ourselves, when we
see ourselves in a differentlight, we experience something
different, we feel lighter, wefeel better, we feel happier.
And I think, when we do that,we're able to achieve more than
(05:04):
what we even thought possible ohmy god, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
I think the mindset itself is so impactful in like
motivating us to take action andability to see opportunities
that are right in front of ourfaces.
But if we're not seeing, we'renot operating from a growth
mindset, we're not even able tosee the opportunities half the
time right or see the skillsthat we have to offer right.
(05:28):
And so mindset is so importantfor those reasons.
Not because it's this magicformula that's gonna you know
all of your dreams are gonnacome true, but it's like it's
gonna help you take action.
It's gonna help you feel betterabout yourself and come back
stronger, even if you do mess up, which is inevitable because we
all experience setbacks orfailures and so forth.
(05:50):
But not taking like a setbackas a, as a message that I'm not
good enough, see, I knew it,like I should have never done
this and my life sucks and I Idon't have the opportunity that
other people have.
And, um, if and not notthinking that way and having
that opportunity, like, okay, Imessed up, let me learn from
this and move forward, thatmindset helps us take action and
(06:13):
actually grow it's funny youmentioned that because you were
talking about metaphors.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
For some reason, this is like sticking in my head
your growth mindset, think aboutlike a car is your growth
mindset.
Your brain is the motor, is themessaging you tell yourself to
other parts of your body toactually get it to move.
If you do not give it themessaging to move forward, the
motor will not work, the partsof the car will not move forward
.
And I was thinking about thatspecifically when I was
(06:41):
transitioning from grad studentto a full-time career member and
I remember being like what'swrong with me?
You know, like I have all theexperience, all these different
things.
Maybe I just like suck, likeall the things you were just
saying.
And I remember there was thisone day where I was like you
know what today I'm going totell?
Like I was looking, I wasreviewing my resume and I was
like I'm going to tell myselfthat I'm, I'm great, I'm a great
(07:07):
career counselor, even thoughI've never done it full-time.
I'm a, I'm a great teacher'sassistant when I was doing a TA
ship in grad school.
I'm, I'm great at being acounselor.
I'm a great counselor.
I remember that day.
I don't know if this ismanifesting or Jesus or what,
but like I remember getting likethree emails for interviews oh
my gosh, I love that and I waslike what, like it was this,
(07:27):
this sense of confidence.
But I wasn't lying to myself.
That's just the truth.
I just we're so hard onourselves sometimes that we it's
almost like our mindset blocksus from opportunities that are
naturally coming our way oh,absolutely, my God.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
That's so cool that you experienced that, because
what you're talking about isessentially manifestation,
manifesting opportunities, notthat they just came and fell
into your lap, I don't knowwhere.
Obviously you had applied tothose positions, you had taken
action and everything right.
But when you start shiftingyour internal world like the way
you speak to yourself and theway that you see yourself, and
(08:04):
start seeing things in morepositive light, like I am
successful, I do have theability to do this, I can do
this then opportunities are.
It's like an energy, becauselife is all about energy, right,
I remember.
Think of physics and scienceand and, and the universe and
how things work.
It's all energy.
So, the energy you put out, itcould either block opportunities
(08:26):
or it could allow opportunitiesto come your way, and it could
be more natural if you'repositive.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Yeah, right, and that's exactly what happened to
you, yeah yeah, I was thinkinghonestly about so much how
people go about their everydaylives and you're you're
absolutely right the energy thatthey put out if you wake up.
And you're you're absolutelyright the energy that they put
out if you wake up and you'relike, oh, this is gonna be a bad
day, I'm gonna have a bad dayat work.
Or I spelled I don't knowsomething on me that happens to
me often like this sucks, itruined my outfit, all these
(08:53):
different things you really do.
Just live that out.
You live out the message andyou tell yourself and I love
that you that you brought it tomanifestation because you have
to believe it internally to beable to do it.
It reminds me a lot, too, of thebook atomic habits by james
clear and his um, his um, hisexample about like your internal
(09:15):
messaging.
And I don't remember, so don'tquote me on this.
It's really bad that I don'tremember, but I remember him
talking about like running.
At the time I was reading thebook because I was getting back
into fitness and running and allthese different things and he
was saying, like you cannot callyourself like I'm not a runner.
You can't say I'm not a runner.
You have to say, like I am anathlete, I am a runner, to
believe it, to do it.
And I loved that because I'vealways said like well, I'm not a
(09:37):
runner, or I'm not a longdistance runner, I only run like
one or two miles.
But because I was treatingmyself that way, maybe I wasn't
performing my best, and now thatI speak to myself differently,
when it comes to like fitnessand what it is, I'm able to
attain and achieve more thanwhat it is, and it really is
just the energy you put out, butit's internally what matters
(09:57):
the most.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Yeah, oh, my gosh, yeah, I mean I can resonate so
much with that because lately,since I've been wanting to work
out but I haven't been I know myinternal dialogue, I'm very
aware of it Like I've beentelling myself I'm not the, I'm
not somebody who works out rightnow, like I don't have the time
to work out, and I've beencatching myself telling this.
I'm like the more I tell myselfI don't have time, the less
(10:19):
time I'm going to have, becausethe universe is going to keep
mirroring this belief that Ihave, that I don't have time.
So I've been actively workingon, like you know what you need
to believe that you have timeand then you will make time,
just like everybody's.
Because when we look at peoplewho are successful let's say,
for example, using the workingout as an example people wake up
(10:40):
at 5 am.
I know you've done this, thisright To work out.
You make the time.
We have the same number ofhours in the day and we have
competing priorities.
We both have 9 to 5 jobs.
But I'm like, okay, using youas an example, you wake up at 5
am.
I could do that too, but Idon't believe right now that I
am somebody who works out.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
So I'm not even motivated to take the action, to
do the steps right.
Yeah, absolutely.
It gets me thinking about howmany people who want to do
different types of jobs or likealways pass out on the promotion
or never take the risk to applyfor a different job or a
leadership role because they'relike, oh, like I don't see
myself as a leader, or likeright now it's not the time or
this is just, this isn't this.
I'm comfortable doing whateverit is Right, and they may see
themselves as less than thanwhat they can really offer and
(11:28):
that really can impact yourcareer and your overall
development as a human in thisworld and internally.
It really impacts you and howyou choose to engage with your
career.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Yeah, oh my gosh, yeah, I've I've been in that
situation before too likethere's clearly a lot of um, I
think.
We think it's like oh, I'm justbeing realistic right like
realistically, I have all thesedifferent priorities, so I don't
know if I can take up apromotion or if I can actually
do what's expected of me in thisjob.
Right, let's say if, if anopportunity comes your way.
(12:01):
But then sometimes you seepeople who apply, who get the,
and they might not always be thebest fit for that role, and
I've been catching myselfthinking like this I'm like okay
, this person clearly doesn'thave the limiting belief that
they are not capable of doingthis or that right now is not
(12:22):
the right time for them, and andthat belief has gotten them to
get this promotion.
And however they're performingis another story.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
But they were able to like actually take the action,
apply and get the role rightyeah, it really is a reflection
of how you believe in yourselfand where it gets you.
Because I've thought about thattoo, about like people who I
see like on the news, or likepeople on social media who post
like different positions or likethings that they've done.
I'm like dang, you really likenot, and it's not in a bad way,
(12:53):
it's just I don't have thatsense of belief, that deep sense
of confidence in myself, eventhough, like I've been told,
like you do portray a lot ofconfidence and all these
different things.
I internally don't feel thatway.
But when I see other people,I'm like wow, like their
messaging is very different thanmine, because mine clearly
stops me from doing that or hasstopped me from doing something
similar or going out there,putting myself out there in a
(13:16):
certain way, where I'm like dang, like this person and I aren't
that different.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
It's our messaging that makes us very different,
that leads them to differentexperiences and opportunities
yeah, yeah, it's amazing, likewhen you look into the energy of
the way the world works or inthe manifestation space they
talk, the teachings talk aboutlike universal laws, and like
one of the universal laws islike that outer world is a
reflection, it's a literally amirror of your internal world.
(13:42):
So in your internal world, ifyou believe you're not
successful, you believe that,like I'm okay with a regular job
, like quote, unquote, right?
Or I'm not a leader, I can'tlead anybody, I can't manage
anybody, right?
If you believe this, then yourexternal world is just going to
mirror back what you keeptelling yourself, right?
(14:02):
And so this concept of growthmindset, the concept of being
open, the concept of really likeusing positive language and
believing, having that true,like feeling that I am
successful and I can do this, isgoing to help you take action
and get into those spaces.
But the trick is, the questionreally is how do you believe
(14:24):
these things, right?
If you haven't like been inthose kinds of situations before
?
Like am I lying to myself?
Am I manipulating myself?
How can I actually believe I'msuccessful if I haven't seen it?
Speaker 1 (14:35):
yet, yeah, and that brought that.
That was.
I was actually going to mentionhow, when I was a grad student,
the same example that I sharedin the beginning, like I, you
know, fake it till you make itis something that we don't
really like on this podcast,because we want you to be
authentic to yourself.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
We don't want you to fake it till you make it because
you're you and you should begetting and attaining whatever
it is that you want.
But I didn't have a lot ofexperience and I had, I guess,
taken it upon myself.
That day I was like, reallytook a hard look and was like I
do have what people are askingfor.
I am great, I did believe it inthat small Tinkerbell
(15:09):
experience.
But at the end of the day itwasn't until I can see now,
looking back five years, howmuch I've grown through my
experience to strengthen thatmindset.
And if it hasn't been for thoseexperiences, those people,
those people, the employers, thejobs, the lessons, the
presentations, the failures, thepositives, I would not have I'm
(15:29):
still working on it, but astronger growth mindset than I
did when I started.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Yeah, yeah, because I think sometimes what happens is
people will think that, oh, Ihave to know everything and be
completely ready before I, liketake this next step.
Right, but that's not how lifeworks, because life is all about
learning and growing.
So, as long as you have theskill to learn and the
willingness to learn and thewillingness to like take a deep
(15:57):
look at yourself and be like, ok, this is where my skill gaps
are, but I can learn this andI'll go out of my way to learn
this, as long as you have that,you take up that new offer, you
try the new thing and then, inthat experience itself, you're
learning and growing and then,sure enough, the universe is
going to mirror what you believethat you can do this yeah I
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remember when I started umworking, my current position
presenting had never beensomething that came naturally to
me.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
That is hard to believe and I remember starting
out and I was scared andtrembling like a chihuahua.
I remember that so hard in thebeginning and it really didn't
come from when I was like facedwith seeing how engaged people
were or how like people wouldlaugh at the silly jokes that I
(16:50):
would make or just like come upwith the strangest metaphors
throughout a presentation that Inoticed and it's hard to tell
myself like you really are agreat presenter, you are a great
public speaker and, yes, I canget really hard on myself or be
like oh, why did I say that orwhy did I use this word or that
example really didn't make sense.
Or that person's face, theirfacial expression, made me
overthink what I'm, what I'msaying, right, and we all have
(17:12):
those moments.
But I remember and it's sofunny because recently I was
asked to do a public speakingevent a multiple, honestly,
throughout these last couplemonths and I really like felt it
in my bones.
I was like I'm really good atpresenting and yes, of course I
know my content, but I'm supergood, I'm great at giving a
(17:33):
presentation, I know how toengage an audience, I know how
to break down concepts or useexamples that are related to my
audience and my populationconcepts or use examples that
are, you know, related to myaudience and my population.
But it's until you change thatmessaging and you have that
experience too, where you growfrom zero to where you are and
you will continuously evolvethat that that mindset comes
with it.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Yeah, yeah, I remember when you were first
like over-preparing for yourpresentations.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
Yeah, you had a lot of notes going and you were
practicing, I would my iPad, mylaptop, my phone.
It was a.
It was a lot.
Yeah, so I was very grad schoolyeah.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
And then I noticed the shift of like all right, we
haven't prepared, let's go dothis.
And I was like, okay, I likethis, but no, it's so true.
I mean, on the topic ofpresentations, when I think
about, you know, we're notnaturally born presenters.
Most, most people aren't right.
Some, some people are born likeas a performer and that's a
natural skill, but most peoplearen't like.
(18:30):
When we think about when we wereback in school and we had to
take a public speaking class,everybody hated it, right.
Anytime we had to present inany class, everybody was always
nervous.
It's just like part of oursociety, feel like.
But again, for me too, it waslike until I was in grad school
and I was presenting and peoplestarted telling me, hey, you're
a really great presenter, and atfirst I was shocked.
(18:50):
But once I started really takingthat feedback and I was like,
oh, I am good, people areengaged, people are smiling, I
can actually, you know, askquestions and the audience
actually responds to myquestions, like, then I started
believing it and then it startedgetting even better and better
and then I got roles where Ihave to present, like the
current role that we're in rightnow, where it's an integral
(19:11):
part of of the job, and then inmy business I'm like presenting
to audiences left and right.
So with that too, it's like Iwould have never thought I would
have done this but it wasn'tuntil I started believing it
that then I started to be inmore of those spaces, and being
in those spaces I grew even more.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Yeah, it's almost like an internal magnet or like
the universe's magnet pullingyou into different spaces that
allow you to experience that too.
Because, trust me, there aretimes where I still get nervous
and I'm like, dude, you're not agood public speaker.
Like, are you really sure?
And I all hesitant, and I'll belike, are you sure you want me
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to do this or are you sure youdon't want someone else?
Or be positive, that email wasmeant for me or whatever it is,
and and it's me second guessingmyself but it it is that
exposure that really doesstrengthen the mindset and it
does lead you to this likesuccessful version of who you
are in these different spaces.
But it's also you have toremember it's a constant
evolution, because you cannot Imean you, maybe you can.
(20:09):
I'm just gonna say this from myexperience.
I do not believe you canconstantly have a growth mindset
.
You're gonna go back and forthwith a fixed or deficit mindset
in this space, because there'sgonna be a balance, but you
always come up to have a growthmindset yeah, oh yeah, I
absolutely agree with that,because you know, life isn't
easy.
(20:29):
I mean, we can all agree to thatlike the young people say you
know, life is lifing okay, yeah,yes, yes, life is lifing.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
There will be setbacks, there will be
challenges, there will be timeswhen you question yourself and,
honestly, that's a good thingtoo, because, like, if you're
not questioning yourself, thenthere's something up there.
Yeah, you have no sense ofawareness.
Yeah, so that's probably notthe best either, but those are
natural and good.
But I think it's the ability tocatch yourself and because we
(20:59):
tend to, as human beings, getvery like it's stuck in a loop
of, like negative thinking,right, catch yourself, like,
okay, what am I doing?
Am I really being honest withmyself?
Like all these negativethoughts, or am I just feeding
into my negativity feeling,feeding into my emotions right
now and just like being evenmore drastic and being even
extra negative than I?
(21:20):
Then I need to be yourselfstopping that language that you
use that's stopping you fromtaking action or feeling
motivated, and really justactively, constantly working on
yourself to have a growthmindset, to be open, to attract
more success and moreopportunities.
It's an uphill battle and Ithink it's just something you
(21:42):
have to always be self-aware ofit takes a lot of work, yeah,
and it's not easy.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
This work is not for the week.
It's not well.
I mean, I'm weak at some pointsand it is.
It is I need it, but it's.
It does take a lot of energyfrom you, and it's something
that's not going to be fixed ina day, nor in a week, nor in two
weeks.
It's not a 14-day remedy.
It's not something that you canjust, you know, pop in drink
(22:08):
with water and you'll be fixed.
It's something you have toconstantly work on and that goes
hand in hand with your life andyour career.
It's something you have toconstantly be pushing at, yeah,
and you have to be ready to dothe work, and and the work is
here for you to do.
So it's all about how you tellyourself that message, because
guess what?
Success is at the other end ofthe tunnel or at the door.
(22:31):
If the tunnel sounds reallyscary for some of you, you know
you have to go out and chase it,though yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
So I have a question for you, mj.
The concept of impostersyndrome is very in line with,
you know, having limitingbeliefs and maybe not believing
that we're good enough andsuccessful Right can be remedied
(23:04):
with this concept of growthmindset right?
Because I've heard reallysuccessful people, successful
entrepreneurs, being asked likedo you have imposter syndrome?
And people have said no, like Idon't believe in imposter
syndrome, like I don't have that, and that's not common to hear,
especially in our field, in ourspace education and academia
and career development.
We hear and talk and live andbreathe imposter syndrome.
We experience it ourselves.
(23:24):
Um, but I thought it was reallyinteresting to hear these very
successful people say like theydon't have it.
And now that I think about it,as we're talking about these
concepts, I'm like it kind ofmakes sense because they don't
allow themselves to think withthese limiting beliefs, which
has allowed them to take actionto get to the success that they
have.
So I don't know what are yourthoughts?
Speaker 1 (23:45):
on that.
It's funny because the firsttime I heard, uh, people say
that they don't believe inimposter syndrome, I was shook
to my core because, you're right, we live, breathe.
I say it all the time.
I have imposter syndrome atleast four times a week.
It's just like a workout.
You know, it's multiple's,multiple times, but you're,
you're right, they, they putthis like barrier, this boundary
(24:06):
between themselves and thisnegative connotation, these
negative conversations, all thethings that can weigh them down.
And I also.
Again, it's this uphill battlethat for them, they're working
towards their happiness, theirsuccess, their positive energy,
and they're not going to allowthat conversation to even take
up space, because if you do,it's like a crack right.
(24:28):
The more you give it room, themore you give it energy,
physical movement, it grows.
So these people really work tohave like a thick layer of
mindset.
You know, say, you have thickskin, you have a thick mindset
that really protects you fromall of this.
So I do.
I do believe that people canfeel and say that they don't
(24:50):
experience imposter syndrome andmaybe it starts with, like us,
removing that from our languageand talking instead of saying,
oh, you have imposter syndrome,and focus on like you're
resilient.
Yeah right, you have aresilient mindset.
I said that earlier today tosomeone and I was like I love
that, like no, it's, there'snothing wrong with you.
You just have a resilientmindset and we choose.
(25:12):
We need to actively choose todo this for ourselves.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
Oh, I love that.
Yeah, it absolutely makes sensebecause I'm 100, 100 guaranteed
that these people, who aresuccessful millionaires, have
had setbacks and have had timeswhen they doubted themselves and
were probably crying in tearsbecause, you know, things
weren't working out as theyplanned.
But they didn't feed into thenegative thoughts and they like
pushed through and, of course,then, like that, manifested into
(25:38):
success.
So I I understand why theywould say like I don't have
imposter syndrome, though thatdoesn't mean that they're
delusional and that they'venever experienced challenges or
limiting beliefs in their lives.
And I think what happenssometimes, especially in Today's
society, where everything isvery much focused on validating
(25:58):
people's experiences and beliefsand feelings and oh, that is
great Obviously we're counselorsand that's what we're in it for
.
But I think sometimes it getstoo extreme, where it's like
every negative thought, everynegative experience we have is
like validated by everybody andthat like feeds into it.
(26:19):
So then you're like constantlylike yeah, this is how I feel,
this is, my life is hard, Idon't have the resources, I
don't have the opportunities,and then you attract people who
are in the same situation andthen you guys just like.
It's a cycle of like, justfeeling down on yourselves too.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
Yeah, and you know like we have to actively think
as practitioners, how we, how weare changing this, how we are
working with this newergeneration who's entering this
really tough spot in the worldright now, how they choose to
engage with it, how they chooseto speak with themselves, how
they choose to be proactiveabout the opportunities that are
(26:56):
out there and not, let you knowa small setback be the thing
that defies them.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Yeah, yeah.
And when I interact with peoplewho've grown up in other
countries, like when I've hadinternational students, clients
or family members who've grownup in other countries their
limiting beliefs are a lot less.
The fact that they were able tocome to this country, the fact
that they were able to come tothis country, the fact that they
were able to have whateveropportunities they have in this
(27:22):
country, though it's difficult,it's still like better than the
challenges they had in theirhome countries, right?
Or just like everything is morepositive for them.
It's like this is anopportunity I'm going to embrace
it and these people end upbeing more successful because
they don't feed into thechallenges.
They feed into opportunitymindset yep, bingo, it's.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
It reminds.
It was reminding me of aconversation I had with my mom
recently about how everything inthis country so different.
I was talking to her about how,when she grew up, you know, she
didn't have the resources andthe things.
And she's like, yeah, andthat's why people call this the
land of opportunity.
Yeah, and I was thinking aboutthat and I was like, yeah, it's
so true, but a lot of people whoare born here and have only
experienced america don't see itthat way.
(28:07):
They don't.
It's hard for them yeah, it is.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
It is and it's not a perfect country there.
No country is perfect, no placeis perfect, and there will be
challenges in its own way, but Ithink the lens that you, you
see things with really justshifts your experience, and that
goes for career, lifestyle,relationships, money, everything
, everything you can think of isimpacted by the way that you
(28:33):
see things and your, yourinternal language all right.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
so, to wrap up this episode, we want to leave you
with three key takeaways, andthe first is that growth mindset
is essential to success, notonly in your life, but in your
career.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
And also that growth mindset comes from experience.
So as you go through life, andas challenges come about.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
Learning from those challenges, recognizing when you
have a negative mindset andovercome these challenges will
lead to a stronger growthmindset and remind you of how
much you really can do and youwill do.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
Thank you so much for listening.
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(29:47):
Be sure to also visit mywebsite, careerriseorg, to book
a career counseling package andaccess free career resources.
My goal is to help you clarifyyour goals, make a plan and feel
confident in your careerjourney.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
You can follow me on Instagram at
careerconfidentlatina, for yourdaily dose of career advice and
my journey as a first-generationLatina counselor.
You can access free resourcesor even work with me by visiting
my website,careerconfidenceonline.
I want to help you grow yourconfidence and help you reach
your career dreams.
Adios.
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