September 23, 2025 • 33 mins
Job searching brings a spectrum of emotions from uncertainty and anxiety to excitement, creating a mental and emotional rollercoaster that many struggle to navigate effectively. We explore practical techniques to manage career anxiety while maintaining momentum in your search.
• Understanding that career anxiety is normal and acknowledging your feelings as valid
• Implementing self-care practices like breathwork, meditation, and physical activity to reset your nervous system
• Creating structured tracking systems to organize applications and maintain momentum
• Reframing anxiety as a normal response rather than a personal failing
• Building community through LinkedIn groups, Reddit forums, and other platforms to share experiences
• Working with a career coach for personalized guidance and accountability
• Shifting your mindset to view job searching as a growth process rather than just an outcome
• Recognizing that the average job search takes 7-9 months, so patience is essential
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The job search can bring, honestly, a spectrum of
emotions from uncertainty, fear,anxiety, excitement,
nervousness, eagerness, thesense of, I think I said fear
already, but.
I'm going to say it againbecause that's something that a
lot of people are tending tofeel of fear is anxiety right,
(00:27):
this constant worry of thefuture, of what's going to
happen and I'm someone who isalways anxious in a lot of
things and worrying about a lotof things, and when it comes to
a job search and you not knowingwhat those results or outcomes
can be, that can just only youknow compound an anxiety when
you have other triggers orthings that are going on in your
life as well.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
You are listening to Coffee and Career Hour.
We are your hosts.
I'm Armine and I'm MJ, twocareer counselors and friends
chatting about all things lifeand career.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
So grab a cup of coffee and join us.
You know, Armine, job searchingcan honestly feel like a
full-time job with zero benefitsand constant rejection.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Exactly I've been there Starting a job posting
with my heart racing, or puttingoff sending my resume because I
just couldn't deal with it thatday.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Yes, and if that sounds familiar to you, our dear
listeners, please stick with us.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Because today we're talking about career anxiety
during the job search, why ithappens and, most importantly,
step-by-step tools you can useto manage it and keep moving
forward.
Welcome back Coffee and CareerHour listeners.
We are so excited to be back.
It's been a minute.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
It's been more than a minute, it's been several.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Yes, several minutes.
Unofficially, this is like awhole new season of the podcast.
We took a little bit of a breakbecause of different life
events, and I will let MJ shareher own life event.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Yeah, I think in the last episode I talked about a
huge family group project and Iwas essentially discussing my
wedding.
So I have come back now with aformal official title of being a
wife legally and all that goodstuff and the benefits that come
with it.
You've come to the dark side.
It's actually been pretty great, I think.
(02:31):
My husband is an academic he'sa PhD student so it's been
interesting to be a careercounselor in a time where a lot
of stuff's going on in the worldof career and job search and
academia and all this stuff andnow being an official partner.
He's lucky because he has acareer coach for life.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Oh, I love that.
That's such a good tagline.
But yes, and I took a trip tomy home country, armenia, and
got to see family, everybody gotto meet my little toddler, so
it was a really nice trip and toget away a little bit and kind
of get refreshed and back readyto start the academic year and
(03:16):
get back into talking aboutcareer development and what's
going on in the job market thesedays.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Yeah, it feels like a very bleak time for people who
are job searching and itprobably has felt like that for
a while.
We know that as careercounselors, as career coaches,
as people who work withindividuals who are on different
process or timelines, journeys,processes in the job search or
just overall career development.
It can feel like a very heavytime right now career
(03:45):
development.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
It can feel like a very heavy time right now, yeah,
Unfortunately, with so manythings changing so quickly
budget cuts and other political.
The climate is very challengingthese days, so it can really
weigh on a person, especially ifthey're also needing to find a
new job, needing to put food onthe table on top of everything
(04:07):
else that's going on.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
So Sure, and that process really isn't something
that's seamless, right.
It can seem seamless through TVshows, through movies, through
other people sharing theirexperiences, but when you are
actively in a job search, it canfeel like a total battle with
yourself.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Yeah Well, yeah, you're dealing with your own
like insecurities, kind of likeyour own demons, right,
Questioning whether you're goodenough, why you're not hearing
back.
You know these are a lot of thethings that one we've
experienced when we've done ourown job search processes.
But also we hear from ourclients on a daily basis.
You know the internal dialogueand the negative feelings that
(04:51):
come with job search.
So today what we want to do isempower you and give you some
strategies if you are in thisprocess or if you're thinking
about changing jobs and you'reabout to start the job search
process some tools, strategiesand mindset shifts you can use
to help you get through it andcome out stronger on the other
side.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Yeah, because that's all we want for you and it's an
important piece of the process.
I guess you know, kicking offour first episode in this, I
guess what we can callunofficial season, is
remembering that you are humanand you need to take care of
yourself throughout this process, and that can look very
different for person to person,right, Especially if you are a
(05:31):
caregiver, if you are thebreadwinner, if you are, you
know, even if you are justindividualized human being
taking care of yourself, it cantake a huge toll and holistic
wellness, right, Whole wellnessof yourself as a human, and
recognizing what that looks likeis extremely important.
(05:53):
And Armine, you're talkingabout like are you, you know, am
I good enough is dealing withinsecurities, dealing with like
things that you know you canfeel very isolated in the search
and it's very you against you.
And that's something to kind oftake a look at as well, because
that can take a huge mentaltoll on ourselves.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Yeah, yeah.
And you know how they say we'reour own worst critic.
That's so true when a parent inthe job search process too,
because you could be qualified,you could be overqualified, but
still doubt yourself.
It's such a.
It's really unfortunate, it'sreally sad to see that happen as
a career counselor all the time, time and time again.
(06:33):
And not only are we our ownworst critic, but now we have
spaces like social mediaplatforms LinkedIn namely, as
one example where it's so mucheasier to see everybody else's
successes that they're puttingout there and just compare
ourselves to only that briefimage of what we're seeing on
(06:54):
that platform, without knowingthe entire backstory and
thinking everybody else issuccessful, they have it all
figured out.
My friend just got a job, myfriend just got an interview.
Why am I not hearing back?
Speaker 1 (07:06):
It's like the social media culture and the comparison
culture just adds on to thatown negative self-talk that we
have to ourselves talking abouthow toxic they feel platforms
can just be, because there'sconstantly like a new post about
(07:27):
a new job, like you were saying, a new opportunity, this, a
that, a here and a there, andit's not only career wise but
it's also personal, right?
If, like someone's getting anew home or a new car or this or
taking a vacation, like you, itcan feel like a personal attack
in many different ways becauseyou're on the search on yourself
as well.
Something that I tend to remindpeople when using these
(07:52):
platforms is people will oftenpost when the good things happen
.
Right, we tend to see, like theduck chilling on top of the
water, but we do not see theirlittle legs swimming.
Right, we do not see thechallenges and the struggles
that they've gone through inthat sense.
So remind yourself as you'reusing these platforms, that
people are going to post thegood things that happen to them.
It's not everybody right, but wetend to gravitate towards that
(08:15):
feeling, and when I work withindividuals, I also encourage if
they're looking for a job, topost those feelings and emotions
too, maybe not the like.
What I mean by posting whatthat may feel like is posting
that you are in the job searchand you're excited to work, that
you're open to opportunity,that you're eager to connect
with others those types ofemotions and feelings to turn
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your situation into a positivefor you and for there to be.
You know smaller, you knowsteps, focuses, results kind of
coming from that as well, so youcan turn something that you
feel is negative into more of apositive.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Yeah, absolutely.
And as you're managing some ofthose triggers and being mindful
of what you're seeing, howyou're comparing yourself and
how you're engaging in socialmedia as well, another big part
of like taking care of yourselfand really engaging in holistic
well-being is to reset yournervous system.
(09:09):
Yeah, Get into a routine.
What would that look like?
Mj?
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Man.
Honestly, I think it looks at.
It's looking at what you'redoing in a daily basis.
What are your behaviors, whatare the habits that you have?
And that can be, as you know,thinking about adjusting your
morning to.
If you're starting up and thefirst thing you're thinking
about is what you have to do forthe day is taking a minute to
ground yourself, right, taking adeep breath, maybe closing your
(09:40):
well, you just woke up, butclosing your eyes again, you
know, seated with your feet onthe floor, feeling grounded,
maybe saying a couple mantras toyourself, right, repeating some
positive statements, right,like I am enough, I have, I have
skills, I am great, I will find, I will find work.
Those are things that I tend todo, and then you can even take
that into a physical space.
(10:00):
My self-care is working out,and that can look many different
forms right From very excessiveand like heavy workouts or
where it's something a littlelighter, like a walk, or maybe
spending time with someone anddoing something physical, or
maybe spending time with someoneand doing something physical,
right, taking a hike.
There's so many things andresources out there, but I think
(10:22):
we also have one of the bestresources here.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
And I'm going to let Armanay share what that is, yeah
, well, one of the things I loveto do, as you may have heard in
previous episodes, ismeditation manifestations.
I'm into that space a lot and I, when I do meditations, I've
picked up on some breathingexercises that have actually
really helped me relax my bodypretty quickly like immediately
(10:45):
seeing those results and Idecided to create a workbook,
resource handout whatever youwant to call it for all of the
folks who visit my website.
So, under my free resources atcareerriseorg, you'll be able to
find the Breathwork workbook,and this workbook offers a
(11:06):
variety of breathwork techniquesthat are designed to help you
find balance and relaxation.
You can download it by signingup on careerriseorg and learn
about some of my favoritebreathwork techniques that have
helped me physically relax andreally have a positive impact on
my overall well-being, and Iwant to share that with you all.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
I love that.
I love that.
Thank you for sharing that withus, Arminia.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Yeah, absolutely.
You know, we have to be our ownadvocate too and have to be our
own doctors.
We have to be our owntherapists as well, because
there are all these resources,of course, but if we don't
implement them, then it's notgoing to help us, right?
So recognizing hey, you knowI'm pretty edgy today.
Hey, I'm really stressed aboutmy job search.
(11:50):
Hey, I really need to take astep back.
Stop going on social media andseeing everybody else's
successes, Stop even the jobsearch process for a day and
take the day to yourself and goout for a walk, get some fresh
air, go work out.
That's something that you dothat works for you, right?
Do some breathing exercises orguided meditations, right?
(12:12):
Be your own doctor and your owntherapist in this process, too,
can be helpful.
Of course, there are greatprofessionals out there, but you
have to also want to implementthe tools that they can provide
too.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Yeah, 100%.
It's something where you haveto take action.
You have to be proactive foryourself.
Even though it feels painful,it feels like something you
don't want to do, but, trust me,you're going to be better on
yourself.
Even though it feels painful,it feels like something you
don't want to do, but, trust me,you're going to be better on
the other side for it, whichkind of leads us into
understanding those emotionsthat you're feeling.
(12:45):
Right, the job search can bring,honestly, a spectrum of
emotions from uncertainty, fear,anxiety, excitement,
nervousness, eagerness, thesense of I think I said fear
already but, I'm going to say itagain because that's something
that a lot of people are tendingto feel, but one of the bigger
ones that is attached to fear isanxiety, right, this constant
(13:08):
worry of the future, of what'sgoing to happen and I'm someone
who is always anxious in a lotof things and worrying about a
lot of things, and when it comesto a job search and you not
knowing what those results oroutcomes can be, that can just
only you know compound ananxiety.
When you have other triggers orthings that are going on in
your life as well and as Arminis talking about being our own
(13:32):
therapist, it's understandinglike what are those triggers and
being able to feel out whenwe're feeling anxious and
normalizing it for us as well.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Yeah, yeah, because anxiety is actually a common
emotion among all of.
Some people may have a littlebit more, some have less, but it
is a basic emotion that we allfeel, the basic emotion that we
all feel and, honestly, themovie Inside Out the second one
that actually has really focuseson her anxiety.
I love that movie so muchbecause every time I get into a
(14:03):
spiral and I notice that I'msuper anxious, I actually
automatically remember thecharacter.
Yeah, and it helps me.
It's so surreal, yeah, becauseit's almost like I can put a
name or a picture to it and I'mlike this is a thing, this is an
entity.
I understand what is happeningin my mind right now and that
(14:25):
helps me de-escalate myself.
Interesting, yeah.
So that movie, if you haven'tseen it and you do feel anxious,
whether it's about the jobsearch process or in general, I
really highly recommend InsideOut too.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
I love that and I think anxiety.
You're talking about how toreframe what it is right To
literally stop and acknowledgethat it is something separate.
It is not you called it anentity, right, it's something
that is outside of you in thatsense, and it's important to
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recognize that and what that maylook like.
What I will say is you're alsotalking about reframing it and
it's proof.
You mentioned a statementearlier that said you know, like
you could be feeling, like youare not enough and throwing
facts out.
what that may look like or thatthat constant I hate this word,
but like this rejection that weoften feel of like oh I mean,
(15:20):
I've applied to x amount of jobsand I'm constantly getting
ghosted, rejected, not hearingback or getting to the final
round and not getting offers.
You can feel like down onyourself because maybe you think
that there's a lack of skill,lack of experience, not a strong
network, not a strong interviewpresence or whatever that is,
and really focusing andreframing what that is for you
(15:42):
and what that can look like.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Yeah, yeah.
And it's not that there'ssomething wrong with you, right?
It's a normal, basic humanemotion.
We all feel it and your mind istrying to protect you with
anxiety.
That's really what it's allabout.
So in a sense, it's like asurvival mechanism, right?
So having anxiety doesn't meanthere's anything wrong with you,
but it can actually hurt you bystopping you from taking steps
(16:10):
and being mindful in the momentand being the best version of
yourself when you're going outfor those interviews or
submitting those jobapplications.
Right?
So to manage it and reframe itand normalize it and do
different techniques to calmyour mind and your body will
help you be more grounded whenyou are applying to jobs.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Yeah, there are, you know, many, many tools that we
can share in terms of like youcan Google, google, you can AI
right, I'm gonna just use it asa verb now.
You can AI it.
So many different things books,there are websites, there are
YouTube, videos that you canapps, etc.
Honestly, that helps a lot iswhen you firmly state it.
(16:58):
I find that when I'm tellingmyself that I'm feeling a
certain way, it's more powerfulthan when I hear someone tell me
over a video or have someoneelse tell me like, oh, you're
feeling this way or it soundslike you're doing this.
When I say it, I feel like I'mtaking control and power.
So something that might help isyou naming it.
I am feeling anxious right nowbecause I'm worried about
rejection and validating thatand making it normal.
(17:19):
It's okay to feel this waybecause job search is stressful
and reminding yourself withconstant facts, because we tend
to lose control when we kind ofspiral out into things that we
tend to think that aren'tfactual.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
So let's say, you're a listener, you're experiencing the
anxiety, you're in the jobsearch process right now and you
start implementing some ofthese techniques and you're able
to get your anxiety undercontrol.
Some other things you can do tohelp you fast track the job
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search process or manage the jobsearch process, in addition to
managing your anxiety, would beto take steps to to monitor the
process.
So, for example, practicalthings like updating your resume
, your LinkedIn profile, yourcover letter, putting a number
on like how many emails am Igoing to send?
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Or how many job applications amI going to send, how many
LinkedIn messages am I going tosend to connect with
professionals or recruitersright?
Or do informational interviewsand so forth.
So having some sort ofpractical schedule for yourself
to know that this is what you'reaiming towards and what you're
targeting, and then schedulingbreaks during that time, too, to
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help you manage the anxiety andlike take care of yourself
while you're also sticking toyour goals.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
Yeah, something I will offer here is I'm going to
name a ton of different thingsthat you can do.
You know, one thing at a time.
I'm going to repeat that Dothem one thing at a time,
Because the more you overwhelmyourself with like okay, and
today, or by you know the end ofthe week, I have to do like
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update my resume, I have toupdate my LinkedIn, I have to
reach out to these people, itstarts to feel more and more and
more.
But if you take them one thingat a time and have a tracker,
you know, make yourself like aGoogle Sheets or an Excel or
something like that.
That could really help youfocus on whatever task you're
doing, complete it and move onto the next.
So definitely, really just youknow, being very mindful and not
(19:27):
overwhelming yourself like thatbecause you're just going to
hijack your nervous system.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Yeah, MJ, tell our listeners what is a job search
tracker.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Oh my gosh.
Okay, so you can totally createthese yourself and I I love it
because I can go ham on like agood Google sheets or Excel with
colors and things like that.
But this is a place where youare tracking right, it's a
tracker.
So you're tracking, you aredocumenting every application or
role that you are seeking toapply for and you're adding as
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much information as possible.
So that could be very specificif you're very atypical, like
myself, or that could be veryloose and vague if you're
someone who just kind of likesto note down what it is like
myself, or that could be veryloose and vague if you're
someone who just kind of likesto note down what it is.
For example, on this job tracker, you can have like the role
title, the company ororganization In another column.
You can have the website orwhere you found it In another
(20:22):
column.
If you know the person or havea contact, you write their name
and their contact informationdown.
Then you can have a column thattalks about like what materials
resume, cover letter, cv,linkedin, profile, skills,
whatever is needed Maybe thereis, you know, you get called for
an interview and you have acouple columns that also
highlight interview status andkind of where you are.
(20:44):
So it's basically a you knowform in Excel, some type of
documentation to what you'reapplying to to help you stay
organized throughout thisprocess but also see visually
how much you're accomplishing atthe same time.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Yeah, I love using these trackers.
They give you such a greatvisual of where you're at in the
process, which companies you'veheard back from, which ones you
know maybe you need a follow upwith because it's been a couple
of weeks since you've applied,and it really helps you stay
organized and have everythingall in one place.
(21:18):
I will say I've been on hiringcommittees in the past where
we've interviewed a candidatewho clearly was unaware of which
job they were interviewing for,based on the way they were
answering the questions.
And I remember this particularmoment in the interview where
the candidate you could tellthat the light bulb just went
(21:40):
off and they realized whichposition they were applying for.
It was like in the middle ofthe conversation, as they were
answering the question, but itthrew off the entire interview
because some of the answers asthey were answering the question
, but it threw off the entireinterview because some of the
answers they were providing wasvery vague and you could tell
it's like did you read the jobdescription?
And we clearly did not offerthe role to that person.
(22:01):
And so ever since then I've hadit in my mind as a career
counselor to make sure to tellmy clients don't be that person.
When you're applying to manydifferent jobs, like when you're
deep into the job searchprocess, you are going to kind
of lose track of all of thepositions, all the job
descriptions you've read.
Can you imagine all the onesyou read, all the ones you
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decide not to apply to, and soforth?
So it can be all mumbo jumbo.
By the time you're at thatinterview you could have read so
many different JDs.
So making sure to use a trackerto stay organized and keep
track of which one you'reinterviewing for, which one you
need to follow up with, isreally, really important.
And if you don't want to makeone yourself, if you're not into
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creating charts andorganizational systems, notion
has different templates you canuse, you can download or, I
believe, purchase for reasonableprices.
But Notion has really cooltemplates on there.
They do.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
Notion does.
I, for personal reasons, havestarted using it again.
I haven't formed a formalopinion, but I was going to say
I created one a long, long timeago and I can post it in the
description of this podcastepisode.
It is a Google Sheets linkthat's accessible to anybody
(23:24):
with the link.
So if this is something thatinterests you and you want like
to start basic and work your wayup to a very beautiful notion
template, um, they have a lot offree ones you can use.
You can also use this one andjust make a copy to your own
google drive, so I'm more thanhappy to share that with our
listeners yay, yes, so that willbe in our show notes.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
Yeah, created by career confident latina.
Absolutely, um, amazing.
Okay, so I'm jay.
Let's say our listeners havefigured out how to manage your
anxiety.
They figured out how to takecertain steps to stay organized,
use trackers, update everything.
What else do you recommend forthem to manage career anxiety in
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the job search process?
Speaker 1 (24:06):
So this is one that I often when I tend to hear
multiple people, when I'm seeingand I'm supporting clients you
know like a few at a time andI'm constantly hearing that
they're facing the samestruggles.
It reminds me, or it helps meremind them, that it's not only
them, you know, facing thischallenge or going through this
process, which leads me tounderstanding and having, you
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know, a community for yourself,whether that's a job search
community, a networkingcommunity, your own network and
personal mentorship as well.
But there is a greater sense ofsupport and accountability when
you're working with otherstowards.
You don't have to work towardsthe same goal, but a goal right.
You don't feel alone, you don'tfeel as isolated.
It feels a little the weightfeels a little heavier to lift
(24:52):
when you're doing it with others.
And this type of community isso helpful in this process
because you can be feelingsimilar emotions, going through
different things, but you cannot only share, maybe, those
challenges that you're facing oryou know situations, but also
you can share tips right.
You can learn from each other,you can build a stronger bonds
(25:12):
together going through this andI really like to recommend this
to individuals who are goingthrough similar situations
together because you arestronger together.
Platforms that you can use thatI really recommend are like
LinkedIn groups, and if you'reusing LinkedIn on the home feed
on the left-hand side towardsthe bottom, you'll see LinkedIn
groups right there you cansearch for whatever you're
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looking for and you can see ifthere's a group.
If not, you can always createone too, and there you can find
ones that are for like jobsearch or networking, and then,
you know, get connected withothers.
Another great place is Redditfor free right.
Reddit is a free resource, aswell as LinkedIn too, and
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there's a ton of sub subredditsthat also have a lot of content
and information dedicated to jobsearch tips and things like
that and also people goingthrough the similar situations.
Another one is Discord, which Istarted using about a year ago,
and I only use it with myfriends, so I haven't used it at
a public level, but I haveheard, you know, my husband and
other people it's so weird tosay husband, by the way.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
It's weird for me to hear you say that too.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
But you know my spouse or that's even weirder.
But anyway, my husband andother people that I know who use
Discord constantly say how muchof a community builder it is.
So it's definitely somethingyou can use there too.
And then, of course, if youwant to like, take it to like a
social media lens, you can alsouse Facebook groups.
Facebook groups they have a lotof different options for you to
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kind of connect with people butalso work with individuals who
are in that same lens.
That's a cool thing to do with,like the general community.
Second thing if you need more ofan accountability, you need
someone to help you.
Kind of keep all of your ducksin a row, dude.
Get a career coach, get acareer counselor.
Armine and I are here to helpyou, separately or together.
(27:00):
Yeah, and I mean that yes, in away to highlight the work that
we do, but also sometimes youknow what we're working on or
what we're trying to do forourselves is bigger and we do
need that extra support.
Know that support doesn't haveto come in a long-term basis as
well.
I tend to work with a lot ofindividuals who think that it's
(27:22):
like a fixed, terminal typething.
It's like, oh, like in 10sessions you're going to fix my
life.
No, career development isn'tlike that.
I'm so sorry, but it does help.
And the cool part about careercoaching, the way we do it is
you.
You know you come when you needit and you get support.
The way for the, for the thingsthat are your priority.
(27:43):
Right and that's what we kindof really want to emphasize is
you.
You in this process.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
Yeah, because ultimately, as you're making
career decisions, it all boilsdown to who you are, what's
important to you and where doyou want to go right.
So, when you're working with acareer coach, you're going to be
reflecting on these types ofquestions and you're going to
have those deeper conversationswhich will ultimately help you
(28:08):
find more clarity.
And it's a very personalizedprocess and there's no shame in
asking for help.
No shame at all.
We've had clients from allwalks of life, from people who
are just starting out in theircareers all the way to people
who are making career pivots inmiddle age right, who have had
decades of experience in aparticular industry and are now
(28:30):
wanting to make a change.
So, regardless of what process,what stage you're at in your
career development, if you findthat you need someone to help
you with the accountabilitypiece or the support piece or
both, or just someone to bounceoff ideas with, who's neutral
and not putting their ownopinions on what you should do,
(28:51):
Because sometimes, when we talkto our family and our friends,
we might feel that way.
They have their own biasesabout careers and their own
biases about us and ourabilities.
So talking to a career coach islike a more neutral space for
you to reflect off ideas too.
I love that, Okay.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
Armanay too.
I love that.
Okay, armanay, I'm doing allthe things.
I'm doing all the things, butI'm still feeling stuck and it's
because I'm constantly justseeing that I'm not getting any
offers.
And I'm doing the breathing,I'm doing the tracker.
I came to see you, you know,like what's something else that
(29:28):
you could think that I couldwork on, as I'm going through
this process and I'm stillfeeling like really down.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Yeah, great question.
And honestly, I think thebiggest thing, beyond all of the
things we've already talkedabout, is a mindset shift,
shifting your mindset about thejob search process, because
ultimately, we think of jobsearch as a very outcome based
thing thing.
Right, like I'm applying to ajob and the sooner I get a job
(29:54):
offer that I like, that I gethired, that's what represents my
success in this process, right?
But it actually is not reallyan outcome-based thing.
It's more of a process.
The job search itself is likean ability for us to reflect on
ourselves, figure out what welike, what we don't like,
(30:17):
identify where we wanna be inthe next five to 10 years, or
two to five years, whatever youwant to, however you wanna aim
it.
But it is a process, a veryself-reflective process.
So, remembering to not focussolely on the outcome eventually
you're gonna get a job,especially if you do all of the
steps that we are recommendingright, but focusing on the fact
(30:42):
that it's a process where you'regonna grow from it and it can
take longer than expected, right?
I think a lot of times what wesee from our clients is that
they want the job search processto be over.
In like two months I apply to acertain number of roles.
In the next couple of monthsI'm going to get hired.
It's going to be great and I'mgoing to be amazing and,
(31:03):
unfortunately, like, the averagejob search now takes seven to
nine months on average, and itcould take longer, of course.
But eventually you will findthat success and you're going to
learn a lot from that process.
So, putting your mindset aroundthat, that it is a process and
not focusing on the outcome somuch- I love that and remember
(31:26):
that there are other things youcan do in between to also
support you.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
So if you're someone who is like you know I'm looking
for that dream job, I'm lookingfor that next room, I'm looking
for that promotion it's alsookay if you need to survive and
put food on the table and youknow care for your family or
whatever it is, and get a jobthat's just gonna give you money
for rent, for food, for bills,for whatever, and that'll also
(31:49):
help you bridge your way, youknow, to your next step as well.
So, remembering that it's okayto kind of take a step in a
different direction, that's alsogoing to support you in your
journey.
You're still going to learn,you're still going to grow and
you're still you're not going tostop looking for that next
thing.
That's the whole point, right.
So just know that it's okay toalso take that step in a
different direction if reallyneed so.
(32:11):
But we want to really encourageour listeners to understand that
this is a process.
It's not just like a one stepsone through 10, like an Ikea
furniture, and then you're like,good, I wish Our jobs wouldn't
exist if it was like that.
And there is a community, thereare people here to support you,
there are tools that you canuse, there are resources, and we
(32:31):
are also your resources as well, so please use the things on
our website.
You know access you have on theinternet communities as well,
so you can make this process foryou as painless as it can be.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
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Speaker 1 (33:23):
You can follow me on Instagram at
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I want to help you grow yourconfidence and help you reach
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(33:44):
Adios.
The job search can bring, honestly, a spectrum of
emotions from uncertainty, fear,anxiety, excitement,
nervousness, eagerness, thesense of, I think I said fear
already, but.
I'm going to say it againbecause that's something that a
lot of people are tending tofeel of fear is anxiety right,
(00:27):
this constant worry of thefuture, of what's going to
happen and I'm someone who isalways anxious in a lot of
things and worrying about a lotof things, and when it comes to
a job search and you not knowingwhat those results or outcomes
can be, that can just only youknow compound an anxiety when
you have other triggers orthings that are going on in your
life as well.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
You are listening to Coffee and Career Hour.
We are your hosts.
I'm Armine and I'm MJ, twocareer counselors and friends
chatting about all things lifeand career.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
So grab a cup of coffee and join us.
You know, Armine, job searchingcan honestly feel like a
full-time job with zero benefitsand constant rejection.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Exactly I've been there Starting a job posting
with my heart racing, or puttingoff sending my resume because I
just couldn't deal with it thatday.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Yes, and if that sounds familiar to you, our dear
listeners, please stick with us.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Because today we're talking about career anxiety
during the job search, why ithappens and, most importantly,
step-by-step tools you can useto manage it and keep moving
forward.
Welcome back Coffee and CareerHour listeners.
We are so excited to be back.
It's been a minute.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
It's been more than a minute, it's been several.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Yes, several minutes.
Unofficially, this is like awhole new season of the podcast.
We took a little bit of a breakbecause of different life
events, and I will let MJ shareher own life event.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Yeah, I think in the last episode I talked about a
huge family group project and Iwas essentially discussing my
wedding.
So I have come back now with aformal official title of being a
wife legally and all that goodstuff and the benefits that come
with it.
You've come to the dark side.
It's actually been pretty great, I think.
(02:31):
My husband is an academic he'sa PhD student so it's been
interesting to be a careercounselor in a time where a lot
of stuff's going on in the worldof career and job search and
academia and all this stuff andnow being an official partner.
He's lucky because he has acareer coach for life.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Oh, I love that.
That's such a good tagline.
But yes, and I took a trip tomy home country, armenia, and
got to see family, everybody gotto meet my little toddler, so
it was a really nice trip and toget away a little bit and kind
of get refreshed and back readyto start the academic year and
(03:16):
get back into talking aboutcareer development and what's
going on in the job market thesedays.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Yeah, it feels like a very bleak time for people who
are job searching and itprobably has felt like that for
a while.
We know that as careercounselors, as career coaches,
as people who work withindividuals who are on different
process or timelines, journeys,processes in the job search or
just overall career development.
It can feel like a very heavytime right now career
(03:45):
development.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
It can feel like a very heavy time right now, yeah,
Unfortunately, with so manythings changing so quickly
budget cuts and other political.
The climate is very challengingthese days, so it can really
weigh on a person, especially ifthey're also needing to find a
new job, needing to put food onthe table on top of everything
(04:07):
else that's going on.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
So Sure, and that process really isn't something
that's seamless, right.
It can seem seamless through TVshows, through movies, through
other people sharing theirexperiences, but when you are
actively in a job search, it canfeel like a total battle with
yourself.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Yeah Well, yeah, you're dealing with your own
like insecurities, kind of likeyour own demons, right,
Questioning whether you're goodenough, why you're not hearing
back.
You know these are a lot of thethings that one we've
experienced when we've done ourown job search processes.
But also we hear from ourclients on a daily basis.
You know the internal dialogueand the negative feelings that
(04:51):
come with job search.
So today what we want to do isempower you and give you some
strategies if you are in thisprocess or if you're thinking
about changing jobs and you'reabout to start the job search
process some tools, strategiesand mindset shifts you can use
to help you get through it andcome out stronger on the other
side.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Yeah, because that's all we want for you and it's an
important piece of the process.
I guess you know, kicking offour first episode in this, I
guess what we can callunofficial season, is
remembering that you are humanand you need to take care of
yourself throughout this process, and that can look very
different for person to person,right, Especially if you are a
(05:31):
caregiver, if you are thebreadwinner, if you are, you
know, even if you are justindividualized human being
taking care of yourself, it cantake a huge toll and holistic
wellness, right, Whole wellnessof yourself as a human, and
recognizing what that looks likeis extremely important.
(05:53):
And Armine, you're talkingabout like are you, you know, am
I good enough is dealing withinsecurities, dealing with like
things that you know you canfeel very isolated in the search
and it's very you against you.
And that's something to kind oftake a look at as well, because
that can take a huge mentaltoll on ourselves.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Yeah, yeah.
And you know how they say we'reour own worst critic.
That's so true when a parent inthe job search process too,
because you could be qualified,you could be overqualified, but
still doubt yourself.
It's such a.
It's really unfortunate, it'sreally sad to see that happen as
a career counselor all the time, time and time again.
(06:33):
And not only are we our ownworst critic, but now we have
spaces like social mediaplatforms LinkedIn namely, as
one example where it's so mucheasier to see everybody else's
successes that they're puttingout there and just compare
ourselves to only that briefimage of what we're seeing on
(06:54):
that platform, without knowingthe entire backstory and
thinking everybody else issuccessful, they have it all
figured out.
My friend just got a job, myfriend just got an interview.
Why am I not hearing back?
Speaker 1 (07:06):
It's like the social media culture and the comparison
culture just adds on to thatown negative self-talk that we
have to ourselves talking abouthow toxic they feel platforms
can just be, because there'sconstantly like a new post about
(07:27):
a new job, like you were saying, a new opportunity, this, a
that, a here and a there, andit's not only career wise but
it's also personal, right?
If, like someone's getting anew home or a new car or this or
taking a vacation, like you, itcan feel like a personal attack
in many different ways becauseyou're on the search on yourself
as well.
Something that I tend to remindpeople when using these
(07:52):
platforms is people will oftenpost when the good things happen
.
Right, we tend to see, like theduck chilling on top of the
water, but we do not see theirlittle legs swimming.
Right, we do not see thechallenges and the struggles
that they've gone through inthat sense.
So remind yourself as you'reusing these platforms, that
people are going to post thegood things that happen to them.
It's not everybody right, but wetend to gravitate towards that
(08:15):
feeling, and when I work withindividuals, I also encourage if
they're looking for a job, topost those feelings and emotions
too, maybe not the like.
What I mean by posting whatthat may feel like is posting
that you are in the job searchand you're excited to work, that
you're open to opportunity,that you're eager to connect
with others those types ofemotions and feelings to turn
(08:36):
your situation into a positivefor you and for there to be.
You know smaller, you knowsteps, focuses, results kind of
coming from that as well, so youcan turn something that you
feel is negative into more of apositive.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Yeah, absolutely.
And as you're managing some ofthose triggers and being mindful
of what you're seeing, howyou're comparing yourself and
how you're engaging in socialmedia as well, another big part
of like taking care of yourselfand really engaging in holistic
well-being is to reset yournervous system.
(09:09):
Yeah, Get into a routine.
What would that look like?
Mj?
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Man.
Honestly, I think it looks at.
It's looking at what you'redoing in a daily basis.
What are your behaviors, whatare the habits that you have?
And that can be, as you know,thinking about adjusting your
morning to.
If you're starting up and thefirst thing you're thinking
about is what you have to do forthe day is taking a minute to
ground yourself, right, taking adeep breath, maybe closing your
(09:40):
well, you just woke up, butclosing your eyes again, you
know, seated with your feet onthe floor, feeling grounded,
maybe saying a couple mantras toyourself, right, repeating some
positive statements, right,like I am enough, I have, I have
skills, I am great, I will find, I will find work.
Those are things that I tend todo, and then you can even take
that into a physical space.
(10:00):
My self-care is working out,and that can look many different
forms right From very excessiveand like heavy workouts or
where it's something a littlelighter, like a walk, or maybe
spending time with someone anddoing something physical, or
maybe spending time with someoneand doing something physical,
right, taking a hike.
There's so many things andresources out there, but I think
(10:22):
we also have one of the bestresources here.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
And I'm going to let Armanay share what that is, yeah
, well, one of the things I loveto do, as you may have heard in
previous episodes, ismeditation manifestations.
I'm into that space a lot and I, when I do meditations, I've
picked up on some breathingexercises that have actually
really helped me relax my bodypretty quickly like immediately
(10:45):
seeing those results and Idecided to create a workbook,
resource handout whatever youwant to call it for all of the
folks who visit my website.
So, under my free resources atcareerriseorg, you'll be able to
find the Breathwork workbook,and this workbook offers a
(11:06):
variety of breathwork techniquesthat are designed to help you
find balance and relaxation.
You can download it by signingup on careerriseorg and learn
about some of my favoritebreathwork techniques that have
helped me physically relax andreally have a positive impact on
my overall well-being, and Iwant to share that with you all.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
I love that.
I love that.
Thank you for sharing that withus, Arminia.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Yeah, absolutely.
You know, we have to be our ownadvocate too and have to be our
own doctors.
We have to be our owntherapists as well, because
there are all these resources,of course, but if we don't
implement them, then it's notgoing to help us, right?
So recognizing hey, you knowI'm pretty edgy today.
Hey, I'm really stressed aboutmy job search.
(11:50):
Hey, I really need to take astep back.
Stop going on social media andseeing everybody else's
successes, Stop even the jobsearch process for a day and
take the day to yourself and goout for a walk, get some fresh
air, go work out.
That's something that you dothat works for you, right?
Do some breathing exercises orguided meditations, right?
(12:12):
Be your own doctor and your owntherapist in this process, too,
can be helpful.
Of course, there are greatprofessionals out there, but you
have to also want to implementthe tools that they can provide
too.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Yeah, 100%.
It's something where you haveto take action.
You have to be proactive foryourself.
Even though it feels painful,it feels like something you
don't want to do, but, trust me,you're going to be better on
yourself.
Even though it feels painful,it feels like something you
don't want to do, but, trust me,you're going to be better on
the other side for it, whichkind of leads us into
understanding those emotionsthat you're feeling.
(12:45):
Right, the job search can bring,honestly, a spectrum of
emotions from uncertainty, fear,anxiety, excitement,
nervousness, eagerness, thesense of I think I said fear
already but, I'm going to say itagain because that's something
that a lot of people are tendingto feel, but one of the bigger
ones that is attached to fear isanxiety, right, this constant
(13:08):
worry of the future, of what'sgoing to happen and I'm someone
who is always anxious in a lotof things and worrying about a
lot of things, and when it comesto a job search and you not
knowing what those results oroutcomes can be, that can just
only you know compound ananxiety.
When you have other triggers orthings that are going on in
your life as well and as Arminis talking about being our own
(13:32):
therapist, it's understandinglike what are those triggers and
being able to feel out whenwe're feeling anxious and
normalizing it for us as well.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Yeah, yeah, because anxiety is actually a common
emotion among all of.
Some people may have a littlebit more, some have less, but it
is a basic emotion that we allfeel, the basic emotion that we
all feel and, honestly, themovie Inside Out the second one
that actually has really focuseson her anxiety.
I love that movie so muchbecause every time I get into a
(14:03):
spiral and I notice that I'msuper anxious, I actually
automatically remember thecharacter.
Yeah, and it helps me.
It's so surreal, yeah, becauseit's almost like I can put a
name or a picture to it and I'mlike this is a thing, this is an
entity.
I understand what is happeningin my mind right now and that
(14:25):
helps me de-escalate myself.
Interesting, yeah.
So that movie, if you haven'tseen it and you do feel anxious,
whether it's about the jobsearch process or in general, I
really highly recommend InsideOut too.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
I love that and I think anxiety.
You're talking about how toreframe what it is right To
literally stop and acknowledgethat it is something separate.
It is not you called it anentity, right, it's something
that is outside of you in thatsense, and it's important to
(15:00):
recognize that and what that maylook like.
What I will say is you're alsotalking about reframing it and
it's proof.
You mentioned a statementearlier that said you know, like
you could be feeling, like youare not enough and throwing
facts out.
what that may look like or thatthat constant I hate this word,
but like this rejection that weoften feel of like oh I mean,
(15:20):
I've applied to x amount of jobsand I'm constantly getting
ghosted, rejected, not hearingback or getting to the final
round and not getting offers.
You can feel like down onyourself because maybe you think
that there's a lack of skill,lack of experience, not a strong
network, not a strong interviewpresence or whatever that is,
and really focusing andreframing what that is for you
(15:42):
and what that can look like.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Yeah, yeah.
And it's not that there'ssomething wrong with you, right?
It's a normal, basic humanemotion.
We all feel it and your mind istrying to protect you with
anxiety.
That's really what it's allabout.
So in a sense, it's like asurvival mechanism, right?
So having anxiety doesn't meanthere's anything wrong with you,
but it can actually hurt you bystopping you from taking steps
(16:10):
and being mindful in the momentand being the best version of
yourself when you're going outfor those interviews or
submitting those jobapplications.
Right?
So to manage it and reframe itand normalize it and do
different techniques to calmyour mind and your body will
help you be more grounded whenyou are applying to jobs.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Yeah, there are, you know, many, many tools that we
can share in terms of like youcan Google, google, you can AI
right, I'm gonna just use it asa verb now.
You can AI it.
So many different things books,there are websites, there are
YouTube, videos that you canapps, etc.
Honestly, that helps a lot iswhen you firmly state it.
(16:58):
I find that when I'm tellingmyself that I'm feeling a
certain way, it's more powerfulthan when I hear someone tell me
over a video or have someoneelse tell me like, oh, you're
feeling this way or it soundslike you're doing this.
When I say it, I feel like I'mtaking control and power.
So something that might help isyou naming it.
I am feeling anxious right nowbecause I'm worried about
rejection and validating thatand making it normal.
(17:19):
It's okay to feel this waybecause job search is stressful
and reminding yourself withconstant facts, because we tend
to lose control when we kind ofspiral out into things that we
tend to think that aren'tfactual.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
So let's say, you're a listener, you're experiencing the
anxiety, you're in the jobsearch process right now and you
start implementing some ofthese techniques and you're able
to get your anxiety undercontrol.
Some other things you can do tohelp you fast track the job
(17:55):
search process or manage the jobsearch process, in addition to
managing your anxiety, would beto take steps to to monitor the
process.
So, for example, practicalthings like updating your resume
, your LinkedIn profile, yourcover letter, putting a number
on like how many emails am Igoing to send?
(18:16):
Or how many job applications amI going to send, how many
LinkedIn messages am I going tosend to connect with
professionals or recruitersright?
Or do informational interviewsand so forth.
So having some sort ofpractical schedule for yourself
to know that this is what you'reaiming towards and what you're
targeting, and then schedulingbreaks during that time, too, to
(18:38):
help you manage the anxiety andlike take care of yourself
while you're also sticking toyour goals.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
Yeah, something I will offer here is I'm going to
name a ton of different thingsthat you can do.
You know, one thing at a time.
I'm going to repeat that Dothem one thing at a time,
Because the more you overwhelmyourself with like okay, and
today, or by you know the end ofthe week, I have to do like
(19:05):
update my resume, I have toupdate my LinkedIn, I have to
reach out to these people, itstarts to feel more and more and
more.
But if you take them one thingat a time and have a tracker,
you know, make yourself like aGoogle Sheets or an Excel or
something like that.
That could really help youfocus on whatever task you're
doing, complete it and move onto the next.
So definitely, really just youknow, being very mindful and not
(19:27):
overwhelming yourself like thatbecause you're just going to
hijack your nervous system.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Yeah, MJ, tell our listeners what is a job search
tracker.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Oh my gosh.
Okay, so you can totally createthese yourself and I I love it
because I can go ham on like agood Google sheets or Excel with
colors and things like that.
But this is a place where youare tracking right, it's a
tracker.
So you're tracking, you aredocumenting every application or
role that you are seeking toapply for and you're adding as
(20:00):
much information as possible.
So that could be very specificif you're very atypical, like
myself, or that could be veryloose and vague if you're
someone who just kind of likesto note down what it is like
myself, or that could be veryloose and vague if you're
someone who just kind of likesto note down what it is.
For example, on this job tracker, you can have like the role
title, the company ororganization In another column.
You can have the website orwhere you found it In another
(20:22):
column.
If you know the person or havea contact, you write their name
and their contact informationdown.
Then you can have a column thattalks about like what materials
resume, cover letter, cv,linkedin, profile, skills,
whatever is needed Maybe thereis, you know, you get called for
an interview and you have acouple columns that also
highlight interview status andkind of where you are.
(20:44):
So it's basically a you knowform in Excel, some type of
documentation to what you'reapplying to to help you stay
organized throughout thisprocess but also see visually
how much you're accomplishing atthe same time.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Yeah, I love using these trackers.
They give you such a greatvisual of where you're at in the
process, which companies you'veheard back from, which ones you
know maybe you need a follow upwith because it's been a couple
of weeks since you've applied,and it really helps you stay
organized and have everythingall in one place.
(21:18):
I will say I've been on hiringcommittees in the past where
we've interviewed a candidatewho clearly was unaware of which
job they were interviewing for,based on the way they were
answering the questions.
And I remember this particularmoment in the interview where
the candidate you could tellthat the light bulb just went
(21:40):
off and they realized whichposition they were applying for.
It was like in the middle ofthe conversation, as they were
answering the question, but itthrew off the entire interview
because some of the answers asthey were answering the question
, but it threw off the entireinterview because some of the
answers they were providing wasvery vague and you could tell
it's like did you read the jobdescription?
And we clearly did not offerthe role to that person.
(22:01):
And so ever since then I've hadit in my mind as a career
counselor to make sure to tellmy clients don't be that person.
When you're applying to manydifferent jobs, like when you're
deep into the job searchprocess, you are going to kind
of lose track of all of thepositions, all the job
descriptions you've read.
Can you imagine all the onesyou read, all the ones you
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decide not to apply to, and soforth?
So it can be all mumbo jumbo.
By the time you're at thatinterview you could have read so
many different JDs.
So making sure to use a trackerto stay organized and keep
track of which one you'reinterviewing for, which one you
need to follow up with, isreally, really important.
And if you don't want to makeone yourself, if you're not into
(22:46):
creating charts andorganizational systems, notion
has different templates you canuse, you can download or, I
believe, purchase for reasonableprices.
But Notion has really cooltemplates on there.
They do.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
Notion does.
I, for personal reasons, havestarted using it again.
I haven't formed a formalopinion, but I was going to say
I created one a long, long timeago and I can post it in the
description of this podcastepisode.
It is a Google Sheets linkthat's accessible to anybody
(23:24):
with the link.
So if this is something thatinterests you and you want like
to start basic and work your wayup to a very beautiful notion
template, um, they have a lot offree ones you can use.
You can also use this one andjust make a copy to your own
google drive, so I'm more thanhappy to share that with our
listeners yay, yes, so that willbe in our show notes.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
Yeah, created by career confident latina.
Absolutely, um, amazing.
Okay, so I'm jay.
Let's say our listeners havefigured out how to manage your
anxiety.
They figured out how to takecertain steps to stay organized,
use trackers, update everything.
What else do you recommend forthem to manage career anxiety in
(24:05):
the job search process?
Speaker 1 (24:06):
So this is one that I often when I tend to hear
multiple people, when I'm seeingand I'm supporting clients you
know like a few at a time andI'm constantly hearing that
they're facing the samestruggles.
It reminds me, or it helps meremind them, that it's not only
them, you know, facing thischallenge or going through this
process, which leads me tounderstanding and having, you
(24:29):
know, a community for yourself,whether that's a job search
community, a networkingcommunity, your own network and
personal mentorship as well.
But there is a greater sense ofsupport and accountability when
you're working with otherstowards.
You don't have to work towardsthe same goal, but a goal right.
You don't feel alone, you don'tfeel as isolated.
It feels a little the weightfeels a little heavier to lift
(24:52):
when you're doing it with others.
And this type of community isso helpful in this process
because you can be feelingsimilar emotions, going through
different things, but you cannot only share, maybe, those
challenges that you're facing oryou know situations, but also
you can share tips right.
You can learn from each other,you can build a stronger bonds
(25:12):
together going through this andI really like to recommend this
to individuals who are goingthrough similar situations
together because you arestronger together.
Platforms that you can use thatI really recommend are like
LinkedIn groups, and if you'reusing LinkedIn on the home feed
on the left-hand side towardsthe bottom, you'll see LinkedIn
groups right there you cansearch for whatever you're
(25:34):
looking for and you can see ifthere's a group.
If not, you can always createone too, and there you can find
ones that are for like jobsearch or networking, and then,
you know, get connected withothers.
Another great place is Redditfor free right.
Reddit is a free resource, aswell as LinkedIn too, and
(25:56):
there's a ton of sub subredditsthat also have a lot of content
and information dedicated to jobsearch tips and things like
that and also people goingthrough the similar situations.
Another one is Discord, which Istarted using about a year ago,
and I only use it with myfriends, so I haven't used it at
a public level, but I haveheard, you know, my husband and
other people it's so weird tosay husband, by the way.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
It's weird for me to hear you say that too.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
But you know my spouse or that's even weirder.
But anyway, my husband andother people that I know who use
Discord constantly say how muchof a community builder it is.
So it's definitely somethingyou can use there too.
And then, of course, if youwant to like, take it to like a
social media lens, you can alsouse Facebook groups.
Facebook groups they have a lotof different options for you to
(26:39):
kind of connect with people butalso work with individuals who
are in that same lens.
That's a cool thing to do with,like the general community.
Second thing if you need more ofan accountability, you need
someone to help you.
Kind of keep all of your ducksin a row, dude.
Get a career coach, get acareer counselor.
Armine and I are here to helpyou, separately or together.
(27:00):
Yeah, and I mean that yes, in away to highlight the work that
we do, but also sometimes youknow what we're working on or
what we're trying to do forourselves is bigger and we do
need that extra support.
Know that support doesn't haveto come in a long-term basis as
well.
I tend to work with a lot ofindividuals who think that it's
(27:22):
like a fixed, terminal typething.
It's like, oh, like in 10sessions you're going to fix my
life.
No, career development isn'tlike that.
I'm so sorry, but it does help.
And the cool part about careercoaching, the way we do it is
you.
You know you come when you needit and you get support.
The way for the, for the thingsthat are your priority.
(27:43):
Right and that's what we kindof really want to emphasize is
you.
You in this process.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
Yeah, because ultimately, as you're making
career decisions, it all boilsdown to who you are, what's
important to you and where doyou want to go right.
So, when you're working with acareer coach, you're going to be
reflecting on these types ofquestions and you're going to
have those deeper conversationswhich will ultimately help you
(28:08):
find more clarity.
And it's a very personalizedprocess and there's no shame in
asking for help.
No shame at all.
We've had clients from allwalks of life, from people who
are just starting out in theircareers all the way to people
who are making career pivots inmiddle age right, who have had
decades of experience in aparticular industry and are now
(28:30):
wanting to make a change.
So, regardless of what process,what stage you're at in your
career development, if you findthat you need someone to help
you with the accountabilitypiece or the support piece or
both, or just someone to bounceoff ideas with, who's neutral
and not putting their ownopinions on what you should do,
(28:51):
Because sometimes, when we talkto our family and our friends,
we might feel that way.
They have their own biasesabout careers and their own
biases about us and ourabilities.
So talking to a career coach islike a more neutral space for
you to reflect off ideas too.
I love that, Okay.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
Armanay too.
I love that.
Okay, armanay, I'm doing allthe things.
I'm doing all the things, butI'm still feeling stuck and it's
because I'm constantly justseeing that I'm not getting any
offers.
And I'm doing the breathing,I'm doing the tracker.
I came to see you, you know,like what's something else that
(29:28):
you could think that I couldwork on, as I'm going through
this process and I'm stillfeeling like really down.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Yeah, great question.
And honestly, I think thebiggest thing, beyond all of the
things we've already talkedabout, is a mindset shift,
shifting your mindset about thejob search process, because
ultimately, we think of jobsearch as a very outcome based
thing thing.
Right, like I'm applying to ajob and the sooner I get a job
(29:54):
offer that I like, that I gethired, that's what represents my
success in this process, right?
But it actually is not reallyan outcome-based thing.
It's more of a process.
The job search itself is likean ability for us to reflect on
ourselves, figure out what welike, what we don't like,
(30:17):
identify where we wanna be inthe next five to 10 years, or
two to five years, whatever youwant to, however you wanna aim
it.
But it is a process, a veryself-reflective process.
So, remembering to not focussolely on the outcome eventually
you're gonna get a job,especially if you do all of the
steps that we are recommendingright, but focusing on the fact
(30:42):
that it's a process where you'regonna grow from it and it can
take longer than expected, right?
I think a lot of times what wesee from our clients is that
they want the job search processto be over.
In like two months I apply to acertain number of roles.
In the next couple of monthsI'm going to get hired.
It's going to be great and I'mgoing to be amazing and,
(31:03):
unfortunately, like, the averagejob search now takes seven to
nine months on average, and itcould take longer, of course.
But eventually you will findthat success and you're going to
learn a lot from that process.
So, putting your mindset aroundthat, that it is a process and
not focusing on the outcome somuch- I love that and remember
(31:26):
that there are other things youcan do in between to also
support you.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
So if you're someone who is like you know I'm looking
for that dream job, I'm lookingfor that next room, I'm looking
for that promotion it's alsookay if you need to survive and
put food on the table and youknow care for your family or
whatever it is, and get a jobthat's just gonna give you money
for rent, for food, for bills,for whatever, and that'll also
(31:49):
help you bridge your way, youknow, to your next step as well.
So, remembering that it's okayto kind of take a step in a
different direction, that's alsogoing to support you in your
journey.
You're still going to learn,you're still going to grow and
you're still you're not going tostop looking for that next
thing.
That's the whole point, right.
So just know that it's okay toalso take that step in a
different direction if reallyneed so.
(32:11):
But we want to really encourageour listeners to understand that
this is a process.
It's not just like a one stepsone through 10, like an Ikea
furniture, and then you're like,good, I wish Our jobs wouldn't
exist if it was like that.
And there is a community, thereare people here to support you,
there are tools that you canuse, there are resources, and we
(32:31):
are also your resources as well, so please use the things on
our website.
You know access you have on theinternet communities as well,
so you can make this process foryou as painless as it can be.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
Thank you so much for listening.
If you enjoy our show, we askthat you write a review on Apple
Podcasts to help us reach morepeople looking to level up their
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Want to connect with us, be sureto follow our Instagrams and
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(33:08):
Be sure to also visit mywebsite, careerriseorg, to book
a career counseling package andaccess free career resources.
My goal is to help you clarifyyour goals, make a plan and feel
confident in your careerjourney.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
You can follow me on Instagram at
CareerConfidentLatina for yourdaily dose of career advice and
my journey as a first-generationLatina counselor and my journey
as a first-generation Latinacounselor.
You can access free resourcesor even work with me by visiting
my website,careerconfidenceonline.
I want to help you grow yourconfidence and help you reach
your career dreams.
(33:44):
Adios.
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