April 8, 2025 • 27 mins
Feeling stuck in your job search? You're not alone. The employment landscape is shifting dramatically due to policy changes, advancing technology, and evolving workplace models—creating a perfect storm of uncertainty for job seekers everywhere.
In this practical episode, we break down how to stay motivated and strategic when the job market feels like it's shrinking. We explore how personal branding becomes your secret weapon during challenging times. Most people significantly undervalue their skills and experiences, especially those gained outside traditional work settings. The key is tailoring your approach to each opportunity by researching companies thoroughly and speaking their language.
Building your career community is perhaps the most powerful strategy for navigating uncertain times. We share concrete techniques for conducting informational interviews, working with recruiters, and exploring temporary positions that can provide stability while maintaining momentum toward long-term goals. Equally important is maintaining your mental wellbeing during this process. We provide practical advice for establishing routines, celebrating small victories, and remaining positive when rejection feels constant.
Ready to transform your approach to job searching? Listen now for actionable strategies that will help you not just survive, but thrive, during these challenging times. Share this episode with someone who could use some career motivation!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Workers are always needed.
Companies, businesses,organizations need to run.
You know they may have lessfunding, they may have less
resources.
The way they work may beevolving with all of the changes
in society, but they still haveto run.
Businesses still need to run.
So workers are still going tobe needed.
(00:20):
Your skills, your talents arestill very, very much relevant.
You are listening to Coffee andCareer Hour.
We are your hosts.
I'm Armina and I'm MJ, twocareer counselors and friends
chatting about all things lifeand career.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
So grab a cup of coffee and join us chatting
about all things, life andcareer.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
So grab a cup of coffee and join us.
Feeling stuck in your jobsearch, or maybe you know
someone who's struggling to landthat next opportunity.
You're not alone, and the goodnews is there are strategies
that can help.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
In today's episode, we're going to dive deep into
practical ways to stay motivatedand navigate an uncertain job
market.
So do yourself and a friend afavor Listen in, take notes and
share this episode with someonewho needs it.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Wow, MJ, what times we're living in huh, Tell me
about it seriously.
Yeah, there's a lot going onand the changes that are
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happening in the federalgovernment are impacting society
in many, many ways.
Seeing in our work andhopefully to provide some
motivation to keep you allthriving and give you some
practical tips so you can stayon top of the game.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Yeah, where this episode kind of came from is
Armine wrote this amazing blogpost that you all have to check
out on her website oncareerriseorg.
Please go read it.
But we wanted to put this intodifferent terms and so we can
also honestly reach a different,a different and much more
broader audience as well too.
But this is really difficulttimes that we're living in,
(02:13):
challenging times that I don'tthink any of us really expected
that were going to happen thisearly on.
Throughout this year, the jobmarket has really been changing
the last couple of years sinceCOVID, so we can't really say
that this is also a surprise too.
The last couple of years sinceCOVID so we can't really say
that this is also a surprise too.
But this is a time where wedidn't really know that a lot of
layoffs were going to happen, alot of shortages in terms of
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opportunities, and technology israpidly changing with the job
search and the job market alsolooks like too.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Yeah, there's so many factors happening here.
It's the new policies, thefunding sources that are
changing with the federalgovernment.
It's AI advancing so rapidly,and then remote work versus
in-person work and hybrid, andhow companies are shaping their
policies.
Now there's many differentfactors that are impacting the
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way that we work today and thetypes of jobs that may be
available and what employers arelooking for.
It's all a hot mess.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
I should say yeah, truly and honestly.
Even though it feels like thejob market is shrinking to a
point or deflating, know thatthere are still opportunities
out there.
There are opportunities thatexist, opportunities being
created, and you can stillaccess them, even during this
really challenging time.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Absolutely, because workers are always needed.
Companies, businesses,organizations need to run.
They may have less funding,they may have less resources.
The way they work may beevolving with all of the changes
in society, but they still haveto run.
Businesses still need to run.
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So workers are still going tobe needed.
Your skills, your talents arestill very, very much relevant.
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Speaker 1 (05:45):
So what are some strategies, MJ, for the job
seeker today who may be feelinguncertain, who may be feeling
overwhelmed or feeling hopelessthat there may not be something
that they can find?
Speaker 2 (06:09):
at your next opportunity search, how you're
looking at branding yourself,whether it's on LinkedIn, when
you meet someone in person, goin for an interview or even
throughout your resume.
But also how you reallyshowcase the skill set and the
value you're going to bring tothis new organization or role,
in the case that you are lookingfor something different or just
forcibly put in that situation.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Yeah, so showcasing your skills, showcasing your
talents?
You know that happens in manydifferent ways, right?
We talk to our clients all thetime about resumes, personal
branding, their online presence,the way they show up in the
real world and the way theyinteract with people.
So what would you say is one ofthe most important ways our
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listeners can can showcase whatthey have to offer?
Speaker 2 (06:54):
I'd say first you need to start with a deep dive
into yourself and kind of reeither dust off that old resume
that you have not updated yet orthat LinkedIn profile that you
haven't looked at since the lasttime you're looking for a job
and really think about what arethe skill sets that you have
gained in your current role orprevious role?
What are the things that you'relooking for a job and really
think about?
What are the skill sets thatyou have gained in your current
role or previous role?
What are the things that youwant to highlight in your work,
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projects that you've worked on,initiatives that you've led or
even teams that you've managedas well?
And let's kind of start thereby identifying those skill sets,
looking at how, on thesedifferent opportunities whether
it's a LinkedIn post or yoursocial media that's
professionally facing yourresume, your cover letter how
are those skills beingdemonstrated?
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How are you elaborating,articulating on those skill sets
to the person reading thisdocument or your LinkedIn
profile?
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Yeah, I mean, I think one thing we see from our
client base is that people tendto undervalue themselves 100%.
Oh my gosh, it's actually prettyheartbreaking to see, because
we all have so many differentroles and responsibilities in
our lives, whether it's in awork setting or in our personal
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lives, or in our hobbies andfreelance gigs or other things
we may be involved in.
Right, and all of those comewith skills and knowledge and
experience.
But for some reason, it's sucha common tendency for people to
undervalue those things,especially the things that
they're not necessarily beingpaid for.
Right, and we, as careercounselors, are always talking
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to our clients about everythingthat you do is a skill set, and
you can brand that in yourresume, in your online portfolio
, anywhere in your interviews tobe able to highlight what it is
that you have to offer.
So I think I'm absolutely onboard with, like re-evaluating
yourself and assessing, ok, whatdo I have to offer?
(08:45):
And then thinking about how canI package this when I'm talking
to recruiters, employers, whenI'm presenting myself, whether
it's in person or virtually.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Absolutely.
I think you're 100% right, Iagree.
I couldn't agree more, becauseI'm one of those people when I'm
like, oh, like, even now, whatare your skills?
I'm like I don't know.
Or how do you do a certainthing?
I'm like I don't know, I justdo it.
And it's really understandingwhat do we have to offer?
How can we offer it?
But also, how is this importantto the person listening, to the
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person reading?
That's the key, because it canbe important in so many
different ways.
But if the person interpretingyour information doesn't
understand how it's important tothem, or the team you're
applying for the job you'retrying to do, then it doesn't
really work the way you need itto work.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Yeah, oh, my gosh, that's so true.
I mean, we've heard so.
The other day, the recruiterthat we interacted with did
share that the best way to getan interview is to tailor your
resume.
Oh, a hundred percent Right.
And so what you're talkingabout here is being able to
tailor the skills and theknowledge that you have to what
that company needs, and whatthat means is.
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We got to do research, we gotto understand the companies
we're applying to.
We got to understand whatskills they're looking for, so
we can package what we have tooffer accordingly.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Yeah, so a lot of people tend to understand,
tailor your resume by copyingand pasting different words in
the job descriptions or theindustries that you're applying
for, whatever their commonlanguage is and throwing that
into your resume.
Okay, like, if I explain ittechnically, like, yes, you are
looking at the language andseeing where it fits in your
resume, but if you're thinkingabout it theoretically, from a
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bigger picture, it's how does myexperiences, how do my skills
that I already have, meet theneed of the recruiter, the
employer, the hiring manager,the committee, whoever they are
how does that match and how canI use their language to explain
that I have those skills?
That's how you want to see it.
That's how you really want toposition yourself in a way where
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people are going to be able tounderstand your skillset, how it
meets what they're needing andhow you're a perfect match or a
competitive candidate for thisrole.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Yeah, absolutely so.
I'm thinking as a client or astudent that we work with.
They may ask us, right, mj?
They may ask like okay, so howdo I find out what this company
needs?
How am I supposed to know?
What do you think?
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Okay.
So finding out what thiscompany needs goes back to how
are you communicating withpeople around in and around this
industry or this organization,right?
So it goes back to one of thebasic things that we teach
people about the wholeresearching part of a job search
job searching or job applying,whatever you want to call it.
Job hunting doesn't mean you'realso actively networking,
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building your career community,connecting with others and going
deep down into individuals whowork for their, who have worked
for their, have experience inthat area, and understanding
what that organization was like,what that team was like, what
are they looking for?
What are the things thatthey're missing?
Who is their dream candidate?
Right, but also, what was thatperson's experience in that role
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?
What did you like?
What drew them to that company?
And doing what we call a goodold informational interview,
where you're not necessarilyasking for a job.
You're seeking information,which is more valuable to you
when you're job searching.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Oh my God, absolutely .
I mean I'm thinking about timeswhen we've been on hiring
committees in our jobs andcandidates have actually emailed
us or messaged us on LinkedInstating that they are interested
in the position, they saw aposition available, they're
applying or they've alreadysubmitted their application.
And if we had some time to chatwith them.
How many times has thathappened?
(12:19):
It's happened a lot, yeah, andthat is the way to do.
It is talking to the people whoare working at that company,
talking to the people who may bein that industry.
At least if you can accesssomebody at the company, maybe
at least accessing people in theindustry and, of course, doing
your research on the companythrough their social media
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profiles, through their websiteand any avenue that you can find
to learn about what thecompany's values are, what the
company's long-term goals areand what their challenges are.
What challenges are, whatchallenges are they facing right
now?
Maybe there's some challengesthat are going on in that
industry and you can help helpthem address those industry
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challenges with the skills thatyou have.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Yeah, absolutely so.
I also want to share that thisis not an awkward thing to do.
Don't feel embarrassed or shyor out of place when you're
reaching out, no matter whereyou are in your career journey,
because you should always becurious, you should always want
to know more, you should likebeing a learner in strengths
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terms, which just means someonewho wants to constantly know
things.
Grow in that particular way issuch a positive for your
potential employer, for yourfuture supervisor, because that
shows them that you want to grow, that you want to expand your
knowledge, that you want to dodifferent things, grow your
skill sets right.
So, again, reaching out topeople for information is not a
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bad thing, and you should alwaysbe doing this, whether you have
a job or not.
So in these challenging times,you should be connecting with
people even more so.
But even when we're not inchallenging times, you should be
connecting with people.
Why?
Because you have no clue whatthis relationship can offer you,
and that's at any point in timeand could be so beneficial to
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your personal growth as aprofessional in the industry, or
even when you are job searching, or when there's an open role,
this person, this mentor, thisperson in your what do we call
your board of directors couldjust see that you're a great fit
and recommend you absolutelythe networking piece, and I know
we we try to stay away from theword networking you and I just
because it has such anintimidating connotation to it,
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but it's not intended to be thatway.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
It's just establishing connections and
connecting with other people.
Just like we connect withfriends, we connect with other
people outside of the formalwork setting right with other
people outside of the formalwork setting right.
That's what networking is isconnecting with people in the
same line of work as you andbranding yourself so that they
know what you're passionateabout, what skills you have to
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offer, because you never knowwhat opportunities could come
along from there.
So, absolutely, I agree, inthese challenging times,
maintaining that careercommunity is going to be one of
the key ways to hopefullyattract new opportunities, in
addition to, besides, justmaintaining career communities
but also working with recruiters.
Talking to recruiters, there'sabsolutely nothing wrong with
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like working with a recruiter toget placed in a position that
they deem to be aligned withyour skill sets.
Right, because recruiters haveaccess to a lot of jobs and
companies so they could helpplace you.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Yeah, I will say knowing how recruiters work
right, they're going to want toalso understand who you are,
what you're looking for.
So you doing that understandingwho you are, what you want,
knowing what type ofopportunities you want,
organization, using your network, your career community for that
information is going to onlyhelp the recruiter.
Also help you too.
If you're not in a position towork with a recruiter, use your
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online tools that are free, thatare accessible right, like
specifically, I'm referring toAI.
Ai is a huge help right now,but also just do the research.
I know it sounds lame andtraditional, but that's a lot of
the time what it takes todefinitely get here.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Yeah, of course.
Yeah, ai can be your ally andit can be in replacement of,
maybe, some of the otherresources that may be not
accessible right now.
Right, but recruiters,networking, career community,
even like temp agencies.
What are your thoughts on likefinding a job through a temp
agency just to make ends meet,because it's difficult times
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right now, or you may have likebeen laid off and you don't know
what your next step is.
Until you figure out, until youbuild that career community,
what are your thoughts on havinga temp job?
Speaker 2 (16:36):
so I actually was sharing this with a couple of
individuals last night.
Sometimes when you were workingwith, you have no idea who's
going to walk in your door right.
As career counselors, aspractitioners, as coaches, we
have zero idea what our client'sgoing to come in with and we
don't know their circumstance.
And at times you know, whenyou're job searching you may be
in a position to look for a whatwe call survival job versus
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being more selective andapplying for a selective type of
job.
The difference between that andwhy I bring this up in referring
to temp agencies is because atemp agency in my mind is more
like I just need a job.
I just need something tosurvive, meet my financial needs
at the moment, scrape bywhatever that is, but you can
also be selective in the process.
But when I think of tempagencies, that is what I think
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of as like a quick band-aid justto get myself on my feet.
Figure it out, enter in a role,do something, and then I'll
grow from there.
That every job, role,opportunity in your career
journey is also going todirectly impact exactly what you
want to do, and we kind of haveto let that go sometimes when
we're in these challenging times.
So those are kind of mythoughts.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Yeah, of course I absolutely agree.
I don't think there's anythingwrong with taking on a temp job,
working with a temp agency.
Ultimately you're still gainingskills.
It's still experience that youput on your resume.
Let's say you do a temp job forsix months.
In those six months you couldstill be building your skills.
You could be building yourcareer community.
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You could still be activelyworking towards your longer term
career goals.
But you're just using this timeto also make sure you're
getting your financial needs metand at the same time, sometimes
temp jobs turn into long term.
You could get hired long termor permanently at that company
as things evolve and they seethat maybe you really do bring a
lot to the table and yourskills and talents are needed at
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that role.
So it can only be beneficial.
I don't think it can hurt inany way as long as you're still
being intentional about what aregoing to be my next moves and
positioning yourself to get tothat long term goal.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Absolutely.
I think there's a lot you canlearn and gain from a temp
agency.
You never know where you couldend up.
Of course you always.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
You ultimately have the choice Right, but it really
can open up a door ofopportunity that you didn't even
know was there thing that I wasthinking people can do is
enhance your skills andcredentials while you're also in
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this temp job, so in other wayslike what are some ways people
can enhance their skills andcredentials?
Speaker 2 (19:11):
I'll tell you something that people tend to do
, which we may.
I have.
I have a little bit of a like awell, let me not even go there.
What you can do is you canreally look for those free
resources to expand yourknowledge.
Right, we are living in a timeand an age where you can learn
anything you want, anything youwant.
You can YouTube it, you canGoogle it.
There's probably an article, ablog Someone talked about it
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somewhere A TED Talk, whateverit is A book, right?
People AI, for God's sakes, youcan really learn anything you
want.
Yeah, so there, right, peopleai, for god's sakes, you can
really learn anything you want.
Yeah, so there are platformsthat are designated for
different courses, right, one islike coursera.
Another one is linkedinlearning that a lot of people
have free access to too.
If you're living in the losangeles area, you have free
access to it with your losangeles public library card for
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linkedin learning and you canaccess all their courses.
But really doing that, a lot ofindividuals also end up going
back to school.
So I've had clients or friendsthat are like, oh, I'm just
going to go back to.
You know, either have a degreeor don't have a degree they're
going to.
They go to community collegefor a couple of classes, right,
and then they pick up a coupleof new things or projects and
things like that too.
So expanding your skillset in atraditional or non-traditional
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way is always valid, and nowthat we have so much access to
all this information, why notuse it to your benefit?
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Yeah, of course it'll be time that you have to spend
right Working on maybe a coursethrough the LA County Library or
Coursera or so forth, but it isthings that you can be
intentional.
You're adding to your portfolio, to your brand, and so I think
that sometimes it can bedifficult, right?
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Because if we're thinking ofsomebody who may be just laid
off and is in a very negativemindset, they're not necessarily
feeling motivated to go outthere and build new skills and,
like, enhance their portfolio.
And so it can be, when you'rein a negative mindset, maybe not
feeling that motivation, but atthe same time, while you're in
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this space, it doesn't have tobe a situation that you can't
get out of.
Yeah, right, the temp job canmeet your financial needs while
you build additional skillsthrough these online courses,
through these differentcertifications, through
accessing information, readingmore books, through networking
and your career community.
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And before you know it, threemonths has gone by and that
person you just had aninformational interview with was
like oh yeah, my company isabout to open up a position.
Why don't you apply?
Right, right, and this is kindof like also happenstance to in
the career space we talk abouthappenstance theory, where,
where you're, an opportunity cancome up when you least expect
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it, because you end up in aspace, you end up having a
conversation with someone thatyou didn't expect to have a
conversation with, and thatconversation leads to a job or a
career opportunity that you hadnever imagined.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
Right, absolutely.
I think learning there's somuch benefit to it in this way,
because you really don't knowhow this will impact you for the
positive, really in your careerjourney.
And so many people like feelstuck.
And, of course, please processright, grieve if you need to,
because losing an opportunity ortransitioning is really hard
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for some of us.
But definitely also look on thebright side, right, there's
always something out there foryou.
This learning, learning thesedifferent skills, these tactics
you advancing in yourself isonly going to positively be
applicable to your careerjourney as well.
Staying positive and motivatedin this journey is hard.
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Job searching is not fun.
It's something that I havepersonal icky stories about, but
it is something that you needto do.
And whether it is eating icecream I had someone share with
me they're like just eat icecream.
You know that makes me feelbetter.
I love that.
But if you're also someonewho's like, okay, I need to dive
deep into the newest thing so Ican feel like on my game and
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sharp and all those things,whatever works for you to stay
motivated and inspired duringthis journey and connected.
Staying connected is alsoreally important too, because
this can be really isolating.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
Yeah, oh, my gosh, everything that you said and
that connection piece, becausewhen you step out of your own
kind of internal space and yousee that other people may be
experiencing the same things orjust even being in connection
kind of brings that positivityinto your life.
It works wonders.
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It works wonders.
I will say, too, that ourmindset also impacts a lot of
the experiences that we have.
So not to say that you know ifyou're struggling with job
search or financial means rightnow, of course, like your
mindset isn't going to bepositive, but taking these steps
and utilizing these practicalstrategies can help with
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overcoming this a lot faster andthat positive and that
connection and that positivemindset that you maintain can
help you kind of leap forward alot faster in this difficult
time.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Absolutely.
One of the best tips thatsomeone gave me when I was
struggling with finding a jobwas like, yes, don't give up all
that good stuff Like who areall that good stuff but stay in
your routine right Like stay inyour routine.
Don't let yourself like slumpout and like fall out of it.
Right, you know, still wake upat whatever time.
Use that nine to five, you know, if that's the hours that you
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work for like job searching andschedule in your time.
For two hours, I'm going tospend looking for different
opportunities, looking fordifferent opportunities.
For another hour, I'm going tospend tailoring my resume or
whatever it is, or applying tothese different opportunities.
For another 30 minutes, I'mgoing to hop on a call with
someone, or I'm going to callthis person or send those
messages or whatever.
That is giving yourself aroutine, prioritizing yourself
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as well, and that means, likebasic needs, right, like
sleeping, eating, making surethat you are giving yourself
what you need to survive andlive.
I need to take my own advicesometimes, but that's what you
need.
That's what you need and,honestly, we don't want to see
you crash and burn throughoutthis process, because having
that negative or not so limitingthat, having a negative or
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limiting mindset in this opera,this era, can really be
detrimental to your job searchand how you really approach it,
but also how you what yourresults are too.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
And the positivity and themotivation comes from taking
steps.
Yeah, right, staying in yourroutine, maybe even celebrating
progress.
If you get an interview,celebrate that, that's progress
right.
You may not get that job, butgetting an interview is one step
closer.
That means you did somethingright in the application process
the resume, the cover letter.
It was tailored, it wastargeted, you branded your skill
sets.
That means you're on the righttrack.
This opportunity may not haveworked, but maybe take lessons
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from that interview and apply itto your next interview
opportunity.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Absolutely.
Don't give up right.
Take everything you've learned,put it to use and you know what
.
You're one step closer, even ifit feels like you're 10 step
back.
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Workers are always needed.
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You know they may have lessfunding, they may have less
resources.
The way they work may beevolving with all of the changes
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Your skills, your talents arestill very, very much relevant.
You are listening to Coffee andCareer Hour.
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I'm Armina and I'm MJ, twocareer counselors and friends
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Feeling stuck in your jobsearch, or maybe you know
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You're not alone, and the goodnews is there are strategies
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Speaker 1 (01:13):
Wow, MJ, what times we're living in huh, Tell me
about it seriously.
Yeah, there's a lot going onand the changes that are
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happening in the federalgovernment are impacting society
in many, many ways.
Seeing in our work andhopefully to provide some
motivation to keep you allthriving and give you some
practical tips so you can stayon top of the game.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Yeah, where this episode kind of came from is
Armine wrote this amazing blogpost that you all have to check
out on her website oncareerriseorg.
Please go read it.
But we wanted to put this intodifferent terms and so we can
also honestly reach a different,a different and much more
broader audience as well too.
But this is really difficulttimes that we're living in,
(02:13):
challenging times that I don'tthink any of us really expected
that were going to happen thisearly on.
Throughout this year, the jobmarket has really been changing
the last couple of years sinceCOVID, so we can't really say
that this is also a surprise too.
The last couple of years sinceCOVID so we can't really say
that this is also a surprise too.
But this is a time where wedidn't really know that a lot of
layoffs were going to happen, alot of shortages in terms of
(02:36):
opportunities, and technology israpidly changing with the job
search and the job market alsolooks like too.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Yeah, there's so many factors happening here.
It's the new policies, thefunding sources that are
changing with the federalgovernment.
It's AI advancing so rapidly,and then remote work versus
in-person work and hybrid, andhow companies are shaping their
policies.
Now there's many differentfactors that are impacting the
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way that we work today and thetypes of jobs that may be
available and what employers arelooking for.
It's all a hot mess.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
I should say yeah, truly and honestly.
Even though it feels like thejob market is shrinking to a
point or deflating, know thatthere are still opportunities
out there.
There are opportunities thatexist, opportunities being
created, and you can stillaccess them, even during this
really challenging time.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
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Companies, businesses,organizations need to run.
They may have less funding,they may have less resources.
The way they work may beevolving with all of the changes
in society, but they still haveto run.
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So workers are still going tobe needed.
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Speaker 1 (05:45):
So what are some strategies, MJ, for the job
seeker today who may be feelinguncertain, who may be feeling
overwhelmed or feeling hopelessthat there may not be something
that they can find?
Speaker 2 (06:09):
at your next opportunity search, how you're
looking at branding yourself,whether it's on LinkedIn, when
you meet someone in person, goin for an interview or even
throughout your resume.
But also how you reallyshowcase the skill set and the
value you're going to bring tothis new organization or role,
in the case that you are lookingfor something different or just
forcibly put in that situation.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Yeah, so showcasing your skills, showcasing your
talents?
You know that happens in manydifferent ways, right?
We talk to our clients all thetime about resumes, personal
branding, their online presence,the way they show up in the
real world and the way theyinteract with people.
So what would you say is one ofthe most important ways our
(06:49):
listeners can can showcase whatthey have to offer?
Speaker 2 (06:54):
I'd say first you need to start with a deep dive
into yourself and kind of reeither dust off that old resume
that you have not updated yet orthat LinkedIn profile that you
haven't looked at since the lasttime you're looking for a job
and really think about what arethe skill sets that you have
gained in your current role orprevious role?
What are the things that you'relooking for a job and really
think about?
What are the skill sets thatyou have gained in your current
role or previous role?
What are the things that youwant to highlight in your work,
(07:14):
projects that you've worked on,initiatives that you've led or
even teams that you've managedas well?
And let's kind of start thereby identifying those skill sets,
looking at how, on thesedifferent opportunities whether
it's a LinkedIn post or yoursocial media that's
professionally facing yourresume, your cover letter how
are those skills beingdemonstrated?
(07:35):
How are you elaborating,articulating on those skill sets
to the person reading thisdocument or your LinkedIn
profile?
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Yeah, I mean, I think one thing we see from our
client base is that people tendto undervalue themselves 100%.
Oh my gosh, it's actually prettyheartbreaking to see, because
we all have so many differentroles and responsibilities in
our lives, whether it's in awork setting or in our personal
(08:03):
lives, or in our hobbies andfreelance gigs or other things
we may be involved in.
Right, and all of those comewith skills and knowledge and
experience.
But for some reason, it's sucha common tendency for people to
undervalue those things,especially the things that
they're not necessarily beingpaid for.
Right, and we, as careercounselors, are always talking
(08:24):
to our clients about everythingthat you do is a skill set, and
you can brand that in yourresume, in your online portfolio
, anywhere in your interviews tobe able to highlight what it is
that you have to offer.
So I think I'm absolutely onboard with, like re-evaluating
yourself and assessing, ok, whatdo I have to offer?
(08:45):
And then thinking about how canI package this when I'm talking
to recruiters, employers, whenI'm presenting myself, whether
it's in person or virtually.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Absolutely.
I think you're 100% right, Iagree.
I couldn't agree more, becauseI'm one of those people when I'm
like, oh, like, even now, whatare your skills?
I'm like I don't know.
Or how do you do a certainthing?
I'm like I don't know, I justdo it.
And it's really understandingwhat do we have to offer?
How can we offer it?
But also, how is this importantto the person listening, to the
(09:15):
person reading?
That's the key, because it canbe important in so many
different ways.
But if the person interpretingyour information doesn't
understand how it's important tothem, or the team you're
applying for the job you'retrying to do, then it doesn't
really work the way you need itto work.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Yeah, oh, my gosh, that's so true.
I mean, we've heard so.
The other day, the recruiterthat we interacted with did
share that the best way to getan interview is to tailor your
resume.
Oh, a hundred percent Right.
And so what you're talkingabout here is being able to
tailor the skills and theknowledge that you have to what
that company needs, and whatthat means is.
(09:50):
We got to do research, we gotto understand the companies
we're applying to.
We got to understand whatskills they're looking for, so
we can package what we have tooffer accordingly.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Yeah, so a lot of people tend to understand,
tailor your resume by copyingand pasting different words in
the job descriptions or theindustries that you're applying
for, whatever their commonlanguage is and throwing that
into your resume.
Okay, like, if I explain ittechnically, like, yes, you are
looking at the language andseeing where it fits in your
resume, but if you're thinkingabout it theoretically, from a
(10:19):
bigger picture, it's how does myexperiences, how do my skills
that I already have, meet theneed of the recruiter, the
employer, the hiring manager,the committee, whoever they are
how does that match and how canI use their language to explain
that I have those skills?
That's how you want to see it.
That's how you really want toposition yourself in a way where
(10:40):
people are going to be able tounderstand your skillset, how it
meets what they're needing andhow you're a perfect match or a
competitive candidate for thisrole.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Yeah, absolutely so.
I'm thinking as a client or astudent that we work with.
They may ask us, right, mj?
They may ask like okay, so howdo I find out what this company
needs?
How am I supposed to know?
What do you think?
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Okay.
So finding out what thiscompany needs goes back to how
are you communicating withpeople around in and around this
industry or this organization,right?
So it goes back to one of thebasic things that we teach
people about the wholeresearching part of a job search
job searching or job applying,whatever you want to call it.
Job hunting doesn't mean you'realso actively networking,
(11:26):
building your career community,connecting with others and going
deep down into individuals whowork for their, who have worked
for their, have experience inthat area, and understanding
what that organization was like,what that team was like, what
are they looking for?
What are the things thatthey're missing?
Who is their dream candidate?
Right, but also, what was thatperson's experience in that role
(11:47):
?
What did you like?
What drew them to that company?
And doing what we call a goodold informational interview,
where you're not necessarilyasking for a job.
You're seeking information,which is more valuable to you
when you're job searching.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Oh my God, absolutely .
I mean I'm thinking about timeswhen we've been on hiring
committees in our jobs andcandidates have actually emailed
us or messaged us on LinkedInstating that they are interested
in the position, they saw aposition available, they're
applying or they've alreadysubmitted their application.
And if we had some time to chatwith them.
How many times has thathappened?
(12:19):
It's happened a lot, yeah, andthat is the way to do.
It is talking to the people whoare working at that company,
talking to the people who may bein that industry.
At least if you can accesssomebody at the company, maybe
at least accessing people in theindustry and, of course, doing
your research on the companythrough their social media
(12:39):
profiles, through their websiteand any avenue that you can find
to learn about what thecompany's values are, what the
company's long-term goals areand what their challenges are.
What challenges are, whatchallenges are they facing right
now?
Maybe there's some challengesthat are going on in that
industry and you can help helpthem address those industry
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challenges with the skills thatyou have.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Yeah, absolutely so.
I also want to share that thisis not an awkward thing to do.
Don't feel embarrassed or shyor out of place when you're
reaching out, no matter whereyou are in your career journey,
because you should always becurious, you should always want
to know more, you should likebeing a learner in strengths
(13:23):
terms, which just means someonewho wants to constantly know
things.
Grow in that particular way issuch a positive for your
potential employer, for yourfuture supervisor, because that
shows them that you want to grow, that you want to expand your
knowledge, that you want to dodifferent things, grow your
skill sets right.
So, again, reaching out topeople for information is not a
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bad thing, and you should alwaysbe doing this, whether you have
a job or not.
So in these challenging times,you should be connecting with
people even more so.
But even when we're not inchallenging times, you should be
connecting with people.
Why?
Because you have no clue whatthis relationship can offer you,
and that's at any point in timeand could be so beneficial to
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your personal growth as aprofessional in the industry, or
even when you are job searching, or when there's an open role,
this person, this mentor, thisperson in your what do we call
your board of directors couldjust see that you're a great fit
and recommend you absolutelythe networking piece, and I know
we we try to stay away from theword networking you and I just
because it has such anintimidating connotation to it,
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but it's not intended to be thatway.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
It's just establishing connections and
connecting with other people.
Just like we connect withfriends, we connect with other
people outside of the formalwork setting right with other
people outside of the formalwork setting right.
That's what networking is isconnecting with people in the
same line of work as you andbranding yourself so that they
know what you're passionateabout, what skills you have to
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offer, because you never knowwhat opportunities could come
along from there.
So, absolutely, I agree, inthese challenging times,
maintaining that careercommunity is going to be one of
the key ways to hopefullyattract new opportunities, in
addition to, besides, justmaintaining career communities
but also working with recruiters.
Talking to recruiters, there'sabsolutely nothing wrong with
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like working with a recruiter toget placed in a position that
they deem to be aligned withyour skill sets.
Right, because recruiters haveaccess to a lot of jobs and
companies so they could helpplace you.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Yeah, I will say knowing how recruiters work
right, they're going to want toalso understand who you are,
what you're looking for.
So you doing that understandingwho you are, what you want,
knowing what type ofopportunities you want,
organization, using your network, your career community for that
information is going to onlyhelp the recruiter.
Also help you too.
If you're not in a position towork with a recruiter, use your
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online tools that are free, thatare accessible right, like
specifically, I'm referring toAI.
Ai is a huge help right now,but also just do the research.
I know it sounds lame andtraditional, but that's a lot of
the time what it takes todefinitely get here.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Yeah, of course.
Yeah, ai can be your ally andit can be in replacement of,
maybe, some of the otherresources that may be not
accessible right now.
Right, but recruiters,networking, career community,
even like temp agencies.
What are your thoughts on likefinding a job through a temp
agency just to make ends meet,because it's difficult times
(16:27):
right now, or you may have likebeen laid off and you don't know
what your next step is.
Until you figure out, until youbuild that career community,
what are your thoughts on havinga temp job?
Speaker 2 (16:36):
so I actually was sharing this with a couple of
individuals last night.
Sometimes when you were workingwith, you have no idea who's
going to walk in your door right.
As career counselors, aspractitioners, as coaches, we
have zero idea what our client'sgoing to come in with and we
don't know their circumstance.
And at times you know, whenyou're job searching you may be
in a position to look for a whatwe call survival job versus
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being more selective andapplying for a selective type of
job.
The difference between that andwhy I bring this up in referring
to temp agencies is because atemp agency in my mind is more
like I just need a job.
I just need something tosurvive, meet my financial needs
at the moment, scrape bywhatever that is, but you can
also be selective in the process.
But when I think of tempagencies, that is what I think
(17:19):
of as like a quick band-aid justto get myself on my feet.
Figure it out, enter in a role,do something, and then I'll
grow from there.
That every job, role,opportunity in your career
journey is also going todirectly impact exactly what you
want to do, and we kind of haveto let that go sometimes when
we're in these challenging times.
So those are kind of mythoughts.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Yeah, of course I absolutely agree.
I don't think there's anythingwrong with taking on a temp job,
working with a temp agency.
Ultimately you're still gainingskills.
It's still experience that youput on your resume.
Let's say you do a temp job forsix months.
In those six months you couldstill be building your skills.
You could be building yourcareer community.
(17:59):
You could still be activelyworking towards your longer term
career goals.
But you're just using this timeto also make sure you're
getting your financial needs metand at the same time, sometimes
temp jobs turn into long term.
You could get hired long termor permanently at that company
as things evolve and they seethat maybe you really do bring a
lot to the table and yourskills and talents are needed at
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that role.
So it can only be beneficial.
I don't think it can hurt inany way as long as you're still
being intentional about what aregoing to be my next moves and
positioning yourself to get tothat long term goal.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Absolutely.
I think there's a lot you canlearn and gain from a temp
agency.
You never know where you couldend up.
Of course you always.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
You ultimately have the choice Right, but it really
can open up a door ofopportunity that you didn't even
know was there thing that I wasthinking people can do is
enhance your skills andcredentials while you're also in
(19:08):
this temp job, so in other wayslike what are some ways people
can enhance their skills andcredentials?
Speaker 2 (19:11):
I'll tell you something that people tend to do
, which we may.
I have.
I have a little bit of a like awell, let me not even go there.
What you can do is you canreally look for those free
resources to expand yourknowledge.
Right, we are living in a timeand an age where you can learn
anything you want, anything youwant.
You can YouTube it, you canGoogle it.
There's probably an article, ablog Someone talked about it
(19:33):
somewhere A TED Talk, whateverit is A book, right?
People AI, for God's sakes, youcan really learn anything you
want.
Yeah, so there, right, peopleai, for god's sakes, you can
really learn anything you want.
Yeah, so there are platformsthat are designated for
different courses, right, one islike coursera.
Another one is linkedinlearning that a lot of people
have free access to too.
If you're living in the losangeles area, you have free
access to it with your losangeles public library card for
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linkedin learning and you canaccess all their courses.
But really doing that, a lot ofindividuals also end up going
back to school.
So I've had clients or friendsthat are like, oh, I'm just
going to go back to.
You know, either have a degreeor don't have a degree they're
going to.
They go to community collegefor a couple of classes, right,
and then they pick up a coupleof new things or projects and
things like that too.
So expanding your skillset in atraditional or non-traditional
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way is always valid, and nowthat we have so much access to
all this information, why notuse it to your benefit?
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Yeah, of course it'll be time that you have to spend
right Working on maybe a coursethrough the LA County Library or
Coursera or so forth, but it isthings that you can be
intentional.
You're adding to your portfolio, to your brand, and so I think
that sometimes it can bedifficult, right?
(20:45):
Because if we're thinking ofsomebody who may be just laid
off and is in a very negativemindset, they're not necessarily
feeling motivated to go outthere and build new skills and,
like, enhance their portfolio.
And so it can be, when you'rein a negative mindset, maybe not
feeling that motivation, but atthe same time, while you're in
(21:06):
this space, it doesn't have tobe a situation that you can't
get out of.
Yeah, right, the temp job canmeet your financial needs while
you build additional skillsthrough these online courses,
through these differentcertifications, through
accessing information, readingmore books, through networking
and your career community.
(21:26):
And before you know it, threemonths has gone by and that
person you just had aninformational interview with was
like oh yeah, my company isabout to open up a position.
Why don't you apply?
Right, right, and this is kindof like also happenstance to in
the career space we talk abouthappenstance theory, where,
where you're, an opportunity cancome up when you least expect
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it, because you end up in aspace, you end up having a
conversation with someone thatyou didn't expect to have a
conversation with, and thatconversation leads to a job or a
career opportunity that you hadnever imagined.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
Right, absolutely.
I think learning there's somuch benefit to it in this way,
because you really don't knowhow this will impact you for the
positive, really in your careerjourney.
And so many people like feelstuck.
And, of course, please processright, grieve if you need to,
because losing an opportunity ortransitioning is really hard
(22:23):
for some of us.
But definitely also look on thebright side, right, there's
always something out there foryou.
This learning, learning thesedifferent skills, these tactics
you advancing in yourself isonly going to positively be
applicable to your careerjourney as well.
Staying positive and motivatedin this journey is hard.
(22:44):
Job searching is not fun.
It's something that I havepersonal icky stories about, but
it is something that you needto do.
And whether it is eating icecream I had someone share with
me they're like just eat icecream.
You know that makes me feelbetter.
I love that.
But if you're also someonewho's like, okay, I need to dive
deep into the newest thing so Ican feel like on my game and
(23:05):
sharp and all those things,whatever works for you to stay
motivated and inspired duringthis journey and connected.
Staying connected is alsoreally important too, because
this can be really isolating.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
Yeah, oh, my gosh, everything that you said and
that connection piece, becausewhen you step out of your own
kind of internal space and yousee that other people may be
experiencing the same things orjust even being in connection
kind of brings that positivityinto your life.
It works wonders.
(23:37):
It works wonders.
I will say, too, that ourmindset also impacts a lot of
the experiences that we have.
So not to say that you know ifyou're struggling with job
search or financial means rightnow, of course, like your
mindset isn't going to bepositive, but taking these steps
and utilizing these practicalstrategies can help with
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overcoming this a lot faster andthat positive and that
connection and that positivemindset that you maintain can
help you kind of leap forward alot faster in this difficult
time.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Absolutely.
One of the best tips thatsomeone gave me when I was
struggling with finding a jobwas like, yes, don't give up all
that good stuff Like who areall that good stuff but stay in
your routine right Like stay inyour routine.
Don't let yourself like slumpout and like fall out of it.
Right, you know, still wake upat whatever time.
Use that nine to five, you know, if that's the hours that you
(24:31):
work for like job searching andschedule in your time.
For two hours, I'm going tospend looking for different
opportunities, looking fordifferent opportunities.
For another hour, I'm going tospend tailoring my resume or
whatever it is, or applying tothese different opportunities.
For another 30 minutes, I'mgoing to hop on a call with
someone, or I'm going to callthis person or send those
messages or whatever.
That is giving yourself aroutine, prioritizing yourself
(24:51):
as well, and that means, likebasic needs, right, like
sleeping, eating, making surethat you are giving yourself
what you need to survive andlive.
I need to take my own advicesometimes, but that's what you
need.
That's what you need and,honestly, we don't want to see
you crash and burn throughoutthis process, because having
that negative or not so limitingthat, having a negative or
(25:12):
limiting mindset in this opera,this era, can really be
detrimental to your job searchand how you really approach it,
but also how you what yourresults are too.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
And the positivity and themotivation comes from taking
steps.
Yeah, right, staying in yourroutine, maybe even celebrating
progress.
If you get an interview,celebrate that, that's progress
right.
You may not get that job, butgetting an interview is one step
closer.
That means you did somethingright in the application process
the resume, the cover letter.
It was tailored, it wastargeted, you branded your skill
sets.
That means you're on the righttrack.
This opportunity may not haveworked, but maybe take lessons
(25:51):
from that interview and apply itto your next interview
opportunity.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Absolutely.
Don't give up right.
Take everything you've learned,put it to use and you know what
.
You're one step closer, even ifit feels like you're 10 step
back.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
You are one step closer to where you want to be.
Thank you so much for listening.
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Podcasts to help us reach morepeople looking to level up their
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