June 23, 2023 • 24 mins
Ever wondered how the labels others place on us, or the ones we place on ourselves, can impact our lives and our faith journey? Join us in this eye-opening discussion as we traverse through the significance of names, different cultural naming conventions, and how our identity transforms through faith. Let's break free from those negative labels and embrace the purpose God has in store for us!
Social media has amplified the dangers of comparison and the urge to label ourselves and others. In this episode, we also examine the detrimental effects of this fishbowl culture and the heart behind labeling. Don't miss this transformative conversation!
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
Would you be surprised to know that some of
the most successful women of ourtime face challenges just like
you and I do?
Hi, I'm Amber And I'm Lisa.
We're authors of the bookLeading Ladies Discover your
God-grown strategy for success.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
We invite you to join us in an honest, messy-bun
conversation about the thingswe'd rather keep hidden in our
lives.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Some of those things can keep us from moving forward
in purpose.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
So grab a cup of something delicious kick off
your shoes and hang out with usfor the next 30 minutes.
Thank you, guys, for joining ustoday for another coffee chat.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
I'm going to go with iced tea this morning.
That's all right, everyone.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
I have to have tea hot.
I'm sorry We are too British inour house.
Do you love tea?
Speaker 3 (01:01):
hot And I have favorites As a book list.
I recognize that cold is notalways best for the courts.
If it was thirsty I'd have tohave the ice.
Those tannins on the back of mytongue.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Yeah, That's another thing, British culture.
You do not have ice, And so Itell people if they come to my
house we have beverages, justbring your own ice.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Let's just ease into our conversation.
Today We're in a talk aboutthose things.
People label us because ofnothing we've intrinsically done
.
It's just the way that theyfeel better about themselves
when they call us something.
But we're also going to talkabout how do we label ourselves,
whether it's because of ourinsecurities, our self-doubts.
(01:52):
I did this week on how differentcultures name their children.
We're in this place today wherein America we just name our
kids whatever we want.
It's not like that everywhereelse.
For instance, in Greek culture,it is very normal for a baby
not to actually have a name forthe first seven to 10 days of
(02:12):
their life, and it is also verynormal and quite traditional for
the oldest son and the oldestdaughter to be named after the
paternal grandfather andgrandmother.
And I know in a lot of cultures, even in Irish culture, we
carry on those traditions andstuff like that.
(02:33):
For instance, those who arefrom Kenya that speaks Waahili.
I found this very interesting.
These receive a first birthname not from their parents, but
from an older relative.
That relative base is thatfirst name that babies get off
(02:57):
of, the baby's appearance.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Now some pretty conehead baby.
I wonder if there's any babiesnamed conehead.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
I don't know, but at the same time it's kind of
interesting.
Some of us might say that newbabies are a little interesting
looking.
Can you imagine the names?
Yes, they say.
somewhere between that timewhen they get that name and up
to 40 days later, the actualbirth parents and the paternal
grandparents bring what theycall an adult name for the baby
(03:27):
Wow.
Well, i guess you don't alwayshave to go with what your first
impression was to applaud youroldest ancestor.
So those are just some funnylittle tidbacks.
I always wondered as you studythe Bible, you know, you hear
about names and then you get themeaning of the name And it
always amazes me how names cansometimes really be wrapped
(03:50):
right around who thatpersonality is, before we even
know their personality.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Exactly.
I know that it is interestinghow kind of people walk in their
name.
Even in the Bible it says youknow about naming your child.
I was very purposed in namingmy children after Shakespeare
(04:15):
and 1960s music culture, buteverything that I named them was
very meaningful to me.
It's interesting that we do wedo give names to grow on.
What are the old names thatpeople named their kids.
(04:37):
If you're like, i don't know ifthat person's going to be an
executive or not, Thisconversation came about?
Speaker 3 (04:43):
first of all, we talk about labels.
We talk about being mislabeledby events in life.
Perhaps we've had someindiscretions in life, perhaps
people have known us to be onething And through transformation
, walk with Jesus, maybe somegood therapy, we've been able to
change those labels, thoseperceptions.
(05:07):
Some of us have been put into abox and labeled, like I said,
based upon what others feeltowards us or maybe even what
others feel intrinsicallytowards themselves.
Perhaps it makes them feelbetter to look at us a certain
way And in those cases we haveto be really careful about
taking on some of those negativehandles we're given.
(05:32):
But also I want to kind of talkabout this.
Past week I saw a little pencome through social media.
I think I saw it last SundayAnd it was just a very simple
pen And I'm sure several of youhave seen it because since then
I've seen it shared a couple oftimes in my circle.
I saw this little pen thatbasically said Joshua II Rahab,
(05:54):
the Prostitute.
Right beneath it it saysMatthew I Rahab, the grandmother
of the Messiah.
Wow, and in seeing that it justtriggered, it's funny how
things work.
With the book that we'vewritten, leading Ladies, we have
really seen a lot that we talkabout here on this little live,
(06:19):
this podcast.
That comes back to just who wewere before we knew him, or who
other people perceived us to be,and their voices have such an
impact on us that we don'treally walk in who he did make
us to be.
It has to do with how we feelabout ourselves And it just
(06:41):
opened up the whole thought.
We do mislabel.
We mislabel ourselves and wemislabel others.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
I think more people think of Rahab as the prostitute
and not as the grandmother ofJesus.
Let's just be honest here, andit's probably mentioned more
about, in discretion, that it ismentioned about the lineage
(07:08):
that she was honored to carry,and I think that's really
significant because, again, it'sa label, but it's the most
pronounced label.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
It is And it's ultimately it's the derogatory
label is something that she justdidn't really shake.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Yes, Because we're still talking about it today.
Yeah, and I know even inliterature they talk about
Hester Prim and she wore thescarlet A on her chest for adult
tree And as people really gotto know her, that was covered
(07:55):
But the A was still there andbut the meaning changed.
And that because people knewthat she was a changed person
who had chose wrong and but theydidn't really see the fullness
of who she was.
And those who grew with her andknew who she was, those were
(08:22):
the people who really trulyinterpreted her A again as angel
.
And that's how we go throughlife.
I know dealing with a mentalhealth label is very, very
challenging at times.
I don't like to say I havepsychotic episodes.
(08:44):
Very little people would eventhink that of me when I'm
hanging out or talking aboutwriting a book or being the
managing editor of a Christianwomen's magazine, and I had to
struggle with that too, reachingthe shame of that.
I doubt Ray had called whenaround I'm Ray have the
prostitute.
But you know a lot of peoplehave thoughts about you and your
(09:12):
abilities based on the labelsyou actually physically carry,
whether you struggle with drugaddiction, whether you came out
of human trafficking or you dealwith mental health issues,
anxiety, just different things.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
One of the things that was very fascinating in the
book we talked to Katie and shetalks about struggling with
anxiety and not just strugglingwith anxiety And there were
other issues in her life thatcreated her But crushing,
crushing, crushing, crushinganxiety, the kind that stops you
in your tracks, immobilized,out of those moments when she
(09:56):
had those crushing anxietyepisodes.
God used her magnificently inthose moments, which you can
read about in the book, toliterally write some of the most
profound lyrics we've had inthe church in the past, in song
and worship In the past.
I'd say when I first heard herfirst song came out, i was just
(10:20):
like what in the world?
It was like wow, it was likewow, it was like wow And I had
no idea she'd gone through thatShe even like label herself as
well.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
I deal with anxiety disorder, but I wonder how many
people she helps as she standsup on stage and says you know
what I have?
life controlling, crushinganxiety.
Yeah, god has given me thepower to be here up on stage And
I want you to see that thelabel of anxiety has not
(10:53):
controlled my future, has notsteered me.
That's where we get to.
We need to know that there islabels.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
There are people who will label us.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
This is fishbowl culture we're living in.
Right Everything is Facebook.
What you're seeing on theFacebook feed it's very behind
glass And it's challenging.
I guess It is Because peoplesee it behind glass.
Lisa, do you feel like what aresome of the things that you
(11:24):
deal with in the behind theglass culture?
Speaker 3 (11:30):
Yeah, is that fishbowl culture You and I had
talked about this before where,even upon social media,
everybody thinks they know you.
They think they know you right,they watch you on social media
And let's be honest as well, wedon't always show people
(11:50):
everything on social media,whether we deem it not
appropriate or we're private.
Maybe it's private, i don'tknow.
Whatever it is.
I was just saying to youearlier that, doing what we've
been doing, a couple of timesit's come up even in trying to
establish ourselves as authors.
How do you present yourself?
(12:10):
And I've always been veryconflicted.
Being that person who maybe hasone social media account for
family and friends, the peoplewho are in our closest inner
circle, and having one socialmedia for those people that I'm
professionally linked with Orfor those that I want to give an
impression to.
I'm real conflicted.
(12:32):
I'm one of those people who'slike I'm kind of thinking you
ought to see me as both And Ineed to live in a way that I'm
comfortable with sharing both.
And I don't know for me, thewhole fishbowl culture of social
media really does make us seepeople a certain way.
(12:53):
We hear them say one thing,maybe We do, they having a bad
day.
You and I were discussing thisearlier.
They're having a bad day andhear that one thing and all of a
sudden you label in your mindthat they're difficult or not
even recognizing.
There's a whole bunch of otherthings they put out There that
were not that way, so I don'tknow.
(13:13):
The fishbowl culture and theimpressions we get from it are
very interesting and, to say theleast, not accurate most of the
time.
It's funny because we makecomparisons.
So let's just talk about itthis way.
We make upward comparisons withthose who we deem are better
than us or have a more, maybe amore fulfilling or successful
(13:39):
lifestyle.
So we make upward comparisons.
And then we also makecomparisons that are downward
comparisons, where we start totalk about those who are worse
than us.
We compare comparison effects,how our emotions work.
They affect how we color orfeel about other people.
It's funny.
This week, everything I read,everything from my daily
(14:00):
devotions, led back to thisconcept of comparison and
labeling people.
And ultimately, why do we dothat?
Why do we compare ourselves toothers?
Why do we walk in labels thatare not attractive?
Why do we allow ourselves to beknown by those labels?
What can we do to make thingsdifferent?
(14:22):
First of all, we have to becomeaware of the labels we take on
and that we put on other peoplebecause we are comparing
ourselves to them, or we arecompared to some standard And to
ask God to lead us in a lifethat is free from comparison and
(14:42):
labeling.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
So make a decision.
Because I bet Jesus himself waslabeled and we know that
because he was labeled by thepeople who were in the church as
this kind of troublemaker thatwas always pushing over tables
and such Yeah.
When you get into a place andyou get angry and you push over
(15:03):
tables, that probably has animprint on people of what your
personality is.
But he had 12 disciples and heeven had a smaller inner circle
that probably you know the upclose and personal people.
They had a better idea of whohe was Right And he only
(15:29):
disclosed who he was to a few.
And that must have beenchallenging because I would say
if he would have said justproclaimed initially as he
walked into his journey andministry, i'm the son of God, if
he would have walked in that heprobably would have gotten
slack a lot quicker And I wonderwhat holding that kind of a
(15:55):
title or that kind of a labelwould have impacted the whole of
his ministry.
That's challenging because Ican't invite everyone here on
Facebook into my living room andhave coffee with you.
If I really sat in my realityhere on the podcast, i would
literally be sitting in a loadof laundry like tiles high Right
(16:20):
, because I'm a messy person.
I'm a messy person.
I admit it.
I am gonna disclose this.
I am a messy And I love youanyway.
Yes, and some things you justdon't wear on the t-shirt I'm
(16:42):
having a bad day.
Some people write that on theirFacebook and it shows natural
concern for them, or?
Speaker 3 (16:49):
once again, even in power couples.
Yeah, those things that, likeyou said, you carried a lot of
shame with those labels, thingsthat are beyond your control.
There's not a whole lot you cando about that.
You know.
Ultimately, understanding Wecan all be misunderstood and
(17:15):
mislabeled.
Then again, there are somethings that we bring about for
ourselves.
We do, and we are very wellunderstood.
The process is what is theheart behind the label maker,
whether it's ourselves orsomeone else?
intrinsically, what ismotivating us to try to peg
(17:35):
someone, put them in a box?
We try to put God in a box allthe time.
We put those that we love in abox all the time.
I think we put a thousand in abox.
The essence of labeling can, ina nutshell, come down to,
especially if it's done with anattitude of jealousy, hatred,
(17:57):
wanting to harm someone, wantingto make ourselves look better
than someone and someone lookless than us.
I think it is sin And whetherwe are doing it to ourselves or
others, we're taking over thepower.
Let's just think about thisWhen God created man and woman,
he looked at his creation and hecalled them good.
(18:19):
He called them good.
God is the one that made us,designed us, breathed into us,
equipped us from the beginningonce again, partially, what
we're really trying to helpwomen understand.
From the beginning, he equippedyou with all kinds of details,
facets of stuff that are in youfor purpose.
(18:44):
And so often that label thatsomehow life kicks our way
diminishes what we think andfeel about all that stuff God
put in us.
Sometimes it covers it all up.
We don't even know it's there.
It takes just a true miraclefor him to unearth it all and
(19:06):
say see, it's been here allalong.
So ultimately it should beGod's choice, as our creator, to
bestow the label.
I think he has some beautifulwords to say about us, so I
think that needs to be thereminder.
Today I have a scripture Iwanted to read.
(19:28):
It's from Galatians 5.
And I am gonna read it in themessage, and while the key point
of this would be 5.26, i'mgonna start at 25 for us In the
message it says since this isthe kind of life we have chosen,
the life of the spirit, let usmake sure that we do not just
hold it as an idea in our headsor a sentiment in our hearts,
(19:52):
but work out its implications inevery detail of our lives.
Here comes the key verse.
That means we will not compareourselves with each other as if
one of us were better or anotherworse.
We have far more interestingthings to do with our lives.
Each of us is an original.
That's what we want people totake away from this today.
(20:17):
Be careful about the tags youallow to be put upon yourself.
Be careful about what you puton yourself And be cautious
about what you label otherpeople.
We talked about it a little bitlast week too.
Sometimes we've had voices inour lives that have spoken very
loudly So loudly that we startedto believe what they said in a
(20:41):
negative way.
They were negative things,crushing things.
We have the ability, as a childof God, as a woman of God,
wherever our influence is, tobuild people up and instill in
them real, god-purposed labels.
(21:02):
We can do that We have a choice.
We can call out the good we seein other people.
We can encourage the giftednesswe see in other people and we
can encourage them to dig deeperand walk in those things
themselves.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Yeah, it's true.
I want to segue to somethingfunny.
Lisa, did you have anynicknames when you were a
liberal girl?
Yes, that it's stuck.
Yes, tell us about this.
Maybe not that it's stuck.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
Tell us about it, okay, jess.
so you know.
from as early as I can remember, my dad has called me pizza pie
or Lisa pizza.
I wonder why?
because I love pizza.
I guess I was just a tinylittle bit of a girl.
The story is, I was wearingsize too tall their dresses when
I went to kindergarten becauseI was so tiny And I figured how
(21:56):
to grow.
I'm good now, yes, i've growntoo much now, But back then I
guess I just really loved pizza.
They can count on you.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
So Lisa was the original pizza rat.
I tell you what my mostprominent nickname was Hozi,
given to me by my uncle, Ron,because I like to stand on the
table at family reunions and doimpressions of Jimmy Carter.
(22:32):
For some reason, Jimmy Carter,I have no idea.
So I originally took pose, as Ilet you know.
My uncle said do you like to bein front of people?
You like to be up?
And I'm like I'm gonna rephrasethat Hozi is a really beautiful
(22:56):
flower.
Exactly, It has a reallybeautiful flower.
So you never know the namesthat are put on you.
That really can be pushed togood, Lisa, pizza.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
Pizza pie, pete for short, i am right.
Then you say my super strongpizza pie Here's your然.
I'm gonna cut over.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
I answer them all.
They say the best meal With allcourses of your nutrition and
food.
Birds are in pizza, so you arethe ultimate nutrition for the
people of your home and all thestudents.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
Yeah, for sure, i'll leave you with that thought
today, and then we'll just fallin the lobby at pizza because
it's on our brink.
So we want to encourage you tohave a fantastic week.
See you next week.
Bye, bye, buddy.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
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Would you be surprised to know that some of
the most successful women of ourtime face challenges just like
you and I do?
Hi, I'm Amber And I'm Lisa.
We're authors of the bookLeading Ladies Discover your
God-grown strategy for success.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
We invite you to join us in an honest, messy-bun
conversation about the thingswe'd rather keep hidden in our
lives.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Some of those things can keep us from moving forward
in purpose.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
So grab a cup of something delicious kick off
your shoes and hang out with usfor the next 30 minutes.
Thank you, guys, for joining ustoday for another coffee chat.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
I'm going to go with iced tea this morning.
That's all right, everyone.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
I have to have tea hot.
I'm sorry We are too British inour house.
Do you love tea?
Speaker 3 (01:01):
hot And I have favorites As a book list.
I recognize that cold is notalways best for the courts.
If it was thirsty I'd have tohave the ice.
Those tannins on the back of mytongue.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Yeah, That's another thing, British culture.
You do not have ice, And so Itell people if they come to my
house we have beverages, justbring your own ice.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Let's just ease into our conversation.
Today We're in a talk aboutthose things.
People label us because ofnothing we've intrinsically done
.
It's just the way that theyfeel better about themselves
when they call us something.
But we're also going to talkabout how do we label ourselves,
whether it's because of ourinsecurities, our self-doubts.
(01:52):
I did this week on how differentcultures name their children.
We're in this place today wherein America we just name our
kids whatever we want.
It's not like that everywhereelse.
For instance, in Greek culture,it is very normal for a baby
not to actually have a name forthe first seven to 10 days of
(02:12):
their life, and it is also verynormal and quite traditional for
the oldest son and the oldestdaughter to be named after the
paternal grandfather andgrandmother.
And I know in a lot of cultures, even in Irish culture, we
carry on those traditions andstuff like that.
(02:33):
For instance, those who arefrom Kenya that speaks Waahili.
I found this very interesting.
These receive a first birthname not from their parents, but
from an older relative.
That relative base is thatfirst name that babies get off
(02:57):
of, the baby's appearance.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Now some pretty conehead baby.
I wonder if there's any babiesnamed conehead.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
I don't know, but at the same time it's kind of
interesting.
Some of us might say that newbabies are a little interesting
looking.
Can you imagine the names?
Yes, they say.
somewhere between that timewhen they get that name and up
to 40 days later, the actualbirth parents and the paternal
grandparents bring what theycall an adult name for the baby
(03:27):
Wow.
Well, i guess you don't alwayshave to go with what your first
impression was to applaud youroldest ancestor.
So those are just some funnylittle tidbacks.
I always wondered as you studythe Bible, you know, you hear
about names and then you get themeaning of the name And it
always amazes me how names cansometimes really be wrapped
(03:50):
right around who thatpersonality is, before we even
know their personality.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Exactly.
I know that it is interestinghow kind of people walk in their
name.
Even in the Bible it says youknow about naming your child.
I was very purposed in namingmy children after Shakespeare
(04:15):
and 1960s music culture, buteverything that I named them was
very meaningful to me.
It's interesting that we do wedo give names to grow on.
What are the old names thatpeople named their kids.
(04:37):
If you're like, i don't know ifthat person's going to be an
executive or not, Thisconversation came about?
Speaker 3 (04:43):
first of all, we talk about labels.
We talk about being mislabeledby events in life.
Perhaps we've had someindiscretions in life, perhaps
people have known us to be onething And through transformation
, walk with Jesus, maybe somegood therapy, we've been able to
change those labels, thoseperceptions.
(05:07):
Some of us have been put into abox and labeled, like I said,
based upon what others feeltowards us or maybe even what
others feel intrinsicallytowards themselves.
Perhaps it makes them feelbetter to look at us a certain
way And in those cases we haveto be really careful about
taking on some of those negativehandles we're given.
(05:32):
But also I want to kind of talkabout this.
Past week I saw a little pencome through social media.
I think I saw it last SundayAnd it was just a very simple
pen And I'm sure several of youhave seen it because since then
I've seen it shared a couple oftimes in my circle.
I saw this little pen thatbasically said Joshua II Rahab,
(05:54):
the Prostitute.
Right beneath it it saysMatthew I Rahab, the grandmother
of the Messiah.
Wow, and in seeing that it justtriggered, it's funny how
things work.
With the book that we'vewritten, leading Ladies, we have
really seen a lot that we talkabout here on this little live,
(06:19):
this podcast.
That comes back to just who wewere before we knew him, or who
other people perceived us to be,and their voices have such an
impact on us that we don'treally walk in who he did make
us to be.
It has to do with how we feelabout ourselves And it just
(06:41):
opened up the whole thought.
We do mislabel.
We mislabel ourselves and wemislabel others.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
I think more people think of Rahab as the prostitute
and not as the grandmother ofJesus.
Let's just be honest here, andit's probably mentioned more
about, in discretion, that it ismentioned about the lineage
(07:08):
that she was honored to carry,and I think that's really
significant because, again, it'sa label, but it's the most
pronounced label.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
It is And it's ultimately it's the derogatory
label is something that she justdidn't really shake.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Yes, Because we're still talking about it today.
Yeah, and I know even inliterature they talk about
Hester Prim and she wore thescarlet A on her chest for adult
tree And as people really gotto know her, that was covered
(07:55):
But the A was still there andbut the meaning changed.
And that because people knewthat she was a changed person
who had chose wrong and but theydidn't really see the fullness
of who she was.
And those who grew with her andknew who she was, those were
(08:22):
the people who really trulyinterpreted her A again as angel
.
And that's how we go throughlife.
I know dealing with a mentalhealth label is very, very
challenging at times.
I don't like to say I havepsychotic episodes.
(08:44):
Very little people would eventhink that of me when I'm
hanging out or talking aboutwriting a book or being the
managing editor of a Christianwomen's magazine, and I had to
struggle with that too, reachingthe shame of that.
I doubt Ray had called whenaround I'm Ray have the
prostitute.
But you know a lot of peoplehave thoughts about you and your
(09:12):
abilities based on the labelsyou actually physically carry,
whether you struggle with drugaddiction, whether you came out
of human trafficking or you dealwith mental health issues,
anxiety, just different things.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
One of the things that was very fascinating in the
book we talked to Katie and shetalks about struggling with
anxiety and not just strugglingwith anxiety And there were
other issues in her life thatcreated her But crushing,
crushing, crushing, crushinganxiety, the kind that stops you
in your tracks, immobilized,out of those moments when she
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had those crushing anxietyepisodes.
God used her magnificently inthose moments, which you can
read about in the book, toliterally write some of the most
profound lyrics we've had inthe church in the past, in song
and worship In the past.
I'd say when I first heard herfirst song came out, i was just
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like what in the world?
It was like wow, it was likewow, it was like wow And I had
no idea she'd gone through thatShe even like label herself as
well.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
I deal with anxiety disorder, but I wonder how many
people she helps as she standsup on stage and says you know
what I have?
life controlling, crushinganxiety.
Yeah, god has given me thepower to be here up on stage And
I want you to see that thelabel of anxiety has not
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controlled my future, has notsteered me.
That's where we get to.
We need to know that there islabels.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
There are people who will label us.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
This is fishbowl culture we're living in.
Right Everything is Facebook.
What you're seeing on theFacebook feed it's very behind
glass And it's challenging.
I guess It is Because peoplesee it behind glass.
Lisa, do you feel like what aresome of the things that you
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deal with in the behind theglass culture?
Speaker 3 (11:30):
Yeah, is that fishbowl culture You and I had
talked about this before where,even upon social media,
everybody thinks they know you.
They think they know you right,they watch you on social media
And let's be honest as well, wedon't always show people
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everything on social media,whether we deem it not
appropriate or we're private.
Maybe it's private, i don'tknow.
Whatever it is.
I was just saying to youearlier that, doing what we've
been doing, a couple of timesit's come up even in trying to
establish ourselves as authors.
How do you present yourself?
(12:10):
And I've always been veryconflicted.
Being that person who maybe hasone social media account for
family and friends, the peoplewho are in our closest inner
circle, and having one socialmedia for those people that I'm
professionally linked with Orfor those that I want to give an
impression to.
I'm real conflicted.
(12:32):
I'm one of those people who'slike I'm kind of thinking you
ought to see me as both And Ineed to live in a way that I'm
comfortable with sharing both.
And I don't know for me, thewhole fishbowl culture of social
media really does make us seepeople a certain way.
(12:53):
We hear them say one thing,maybe We do, they having a bad
day.
You and I were discussing thisearlier.
They're having a bad day andhear that one thing and all of a
sudden you label in your mindthat they're difficult or not
even recognizing.
There's a whole bunch of otherthings they put out There that
were not that way, so I don'tknow.
(13:13):
The fishbowl culture and theimpressions we get from it are
very interesting and, to say theleast, not accurate most of the
time.
It's funny because we makecomparisons.
So let's just talk about itthis way.
We make upward comparisons withthose who we deem are better
than us or have a more, maybe amore fulfilling or successful
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lifestyle.
So we make upward comparisons.
And then we also makecomparisons that are downward
comparisons, where we start totalk about those who are worse
than us.
We compare comparison effects,how our emotions work.
They affect how we color orfeel about other people.
It's funny.
This week, everything I read,everything from my daily
(14:00):
devotions, led back to thisconcept of comparison and
labeling people.
And ultimately, why do we dothat?
Why do we compare ourselves toothers?
Why do we walk in labels thatare not attractive?
Why do we allow ourselves to beknown by those labels?
What can we do to make thingsdifferent?
(14:22):
First of all, we have to becomeaware of the labels we take on
and that we put on other peoplebecause we are comparing
ourselves to them, or we arecompared to some standard And to
ask God to lead us in a lifethat is free from comparison and
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labeling.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
So make a decision.
Because I bet Jesus himself waslabeled and we know that
because he was labeled by thepeople who were in the church as
this kind of troublemaker thatwas always pushing over tables
and such Yeah.
When you get into a place andyou get angry and you push over
(15:03):
tables, that probably has animprint on people of what your
personality is.
But he had 12 disciples and heeven had a smaller inner circle
that probably you know the upclose and personal people.
They had a better idea of whohe was Right And he only
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disclosed who he was to a few.
And that must have beenchallenging because I would say
if he would have said justproclaimed initially as he
walked into his journey andministry, i'm the son of God, if
he would have walked in that heprobably would have gotten
slack a lot quicker And I wonderwhat holding that kind of a
(15:55):
title or that kind of a labelwould have impacted the whole of
his ministry.
That's challenging because Ican't invite everyone here on
Facebook into my living room andhave coffee with you.
If I really sat in my realityhere on the podcast, i would
literally be sitting in a loadof laundry like tiles high Right
(16:20):
, because I'm a messy person.
I'm a messy person.
I admit it.
I am gonna disclose this.
I am a messy And I love youanyway.
Yes, and some things you justdon't wear on the t-shirt I'm
(16:42):
having a bad day.
Some people write that on theirFacebook and it shows natural
concern for them, or?
Speaker 3 (16:49):
once again, even in power couples.
Yeah, those things that, likeyou said, you carried a lot of
shame with those labels, thingsthat are beyond your control.
There's not a whole lot you cando about that.
You know.
Ultimately, understanding Wecan all be misunderstood and
(17:15):
mislabeled.
Then again, there are somethings that we bring about for
ourselves.
We do, and we are very wellunderstood.
The process is what is theheart behind the label maker,
whether it's ourselves orsomeone else?
intrinsically, what ismotivating us to try to peg
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someone, put them in a box?
We try to put God in a box allthe time.
We put those that we love in abox all the time.
I think we put a thousand in abox.
The essence of labeling can, ina nutshell, come down to,
especially if it's done with anattitude of jealousy, hatred,
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wanting to harm someone, wantingto make ourselves look better
than someone and someone lookless than us.
I think it is sin And whetherwe are doing it to ourselves or
others, we're taking over thepower.
Let's just think about thisWhen God created man and woman,
he looked at his creation and hecalled them good.
(18:19):
He called them good.
God is the one that made us,designed us, breathed into us,
equipped us from the beginningonce again, partially, what
we're really trying to helpwomen understand.
From the beginning, he equippedyou with all kinds of details,
facets of stuff that are in youfor purpose.
(18:44):
And so often that label thatsomehow life kicks our way
diminishes what we think andfeel about all that stuff God
put in us.
Sometimes it covers it all up.
We don't even know it's there.
It takes just a true miraclefor him to unearth it all and
(19:06):
say see, it's been here allalong.
So ultimately it should beGod's choice, as our creator, to
bestow the label.
I think he has some beautifulwords to say about us, so I
think that needs to be thereminder.
Today I have a scripture Iwanted to read.
(19:28):
It's from Galatians 5.
And I am gonna read it in themessage, and while the key point
of this would be 5.26, i'mgonna start at 25 for us In the
message it says since this isthe kind of life we have chosen,
the life of the spirit, let usmake sure that we do not just
hold it as an idea in our headsor a sentiment in our hearts,
(19:52):
but work out its implications inevery detail of our lives.
Here comes the key verse.
That means we will not compareourselves with each other as if
one of us were better or anotherworse.
We have far more interestingthings to do with our lives.
Each of us is an original.
That's what we want people totake away from this today.
(20:17):
Be careful about the tags youallow to be put upon yourself.
Be careful about what you puton yourself And be cautious
about what you label otherpeople.
We talked about it a little bitlast week too.
Sometimes we've had voices inour lives that have spoken very
loudly So loudly that we startedto believe what they said in a
(20:41):
negative way.
They were negative things,crushing things.
We have the ability, as a childof God, as a woman of God,
wherever our influence is, tobuild people up and instill in
them real, god-purposed labels.
(21:02):
We can do that We have a choice.
We can call out the good we seein other people.
We can encourage the giftednesswe see in other people and we
can encourage them to dig deeperand walk in those things
themselves.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Yeah, it's true.
I want to segue to somethingfunny.
Lisa, did you have anynicknames when you were a
liberal girl?
Yes, that it's stuck.
Yes, tell us about this.
Maybe not that it's stuck.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
Tell us about it, okay, jess.
so you know.
from as early as I can remember, my dad has called me pizza pie
or Lisa pizza.
I wonder why?
because I love pizza.
I guess I was just a tinylittle bit of a girl.
The story is, I was wearingsize too tall their dresses when
I went to kindergarten becauseI was so tiny And I figured how
(21:56):
to grow.
I'm good now, yes, i've growntoo much now, But back then I
guess I just really loved pizza.
They can count on you.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
So Lisa was the original pizza rat.
I tell you what my mostprominent nickname was Hozi,
given to me by my uncle, Ron,because I like to stand on the
table at family reunions and doimpressions of Jimmy Carter.
(22:32):
For some reason, Jimmy Carter,I have no idea.
So I originally took pose, as Ilet you know.
My uncle said do you like to bein front of people?
You like to be up?
And I'm like I'm gonna rephrasethat Hozi is a really beautiful
(22:56):
flower.
Exactly, It has a reallybeautiful flower.
So you never know the namesthat are put on you.
That really can be pushed togood, Lisa, pizza.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
Pizza pie, pete for short, i am right.
Then you say my super strongpizza pie Here's your然.
I'm gonna cut over.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
I answer them all.
They say the best meal With allcourses of your nutrition and
food.
Birds are in pizza, so you arethe ultimate nutrition for the
people of your home and all thestudents.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
Yeah, for sure, i'll leave you with that thought
today, and then we'll just fallin the lobby at pizza because
it's on our brink.
So we want to encourage you tohave a fantastic week.
See you next week.
Bye, bye, buddy.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
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