November 20, 2025 • 44 mins
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We set a clear intention to help 100,000 people manage their minds, then unpack anxiety as practiced interpretation and learnable habit. Emotions become messages that move when we give them a satisfying response, using simple tools to reframe fear and restore calm.
• neutral events gaining meaning through interpretation
• emotions as messages that flow when answered
• high-grade fear resolving vs low-grade anxiety persisting
• ads, news and FOMO manufacturing background fear
• avoidance reinforcing anxiety loops
• Stream Technique for layered emotional release
• future pacing to rehearse success and safety
• “not about me” reframes that dissolve shame and judgment
• identifying exact fears and creating satisfying responses
• regression perspective and proof of survival
• focusing influence at arm’s reach rather than global overload
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SPEAKER_00 (00:10):
We are on the line.
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Good morning from the lake.
It's a little bit of ice outthere.
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Is it really?
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Yeah.
Yeah, in the shallows.
It's crispy.
It's been cold all night.
SPEAKER_00 (00:23):
It is crispy.
It is crispy.
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Explains why there's no ducks up close to the shore.
SPEAKER_00 (00:28):
Yeah.
Yeah.
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So.
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Yeah.
So before we get started here,we we did want to say that if
you if you listen to this andyou enjoy it, give it a share.
Post it, you know, send it to afriend.
SPEAKER_02 (00:43):
Please.
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Please share it on your socials if you want.
Yeah.
It'd just be nice to to grow ourlittle group of listeners.
SPEAKER_03 (00:52):
That's one of those we've changed our intentions.
Intentions are everything, asyou know, I've said a million
times.
Intentions are everything.
And our intention now is to,with our with our system of
school and our online stuff, ourgoal is to, in the near future,
help a hundred thousand people.
It's a big-minded goal.
(01:13):
Um, as I was led to in my mymeditative state, it's about the
intensity of your intentions.
I thought that was really cool,a really neat way to look at it.
The intensity of yourintentions.
When your intentions are really,really big and really specific,
they they guide your actions,they guide everything and they
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get you to do things.
And when we set that intentionof we're going to help 100,000
people, we've been helpingpeople one-on-one, lots of
people, but it's one-on-one abit at a time.
It's time to crank up thatnumber.
And so it'd be we really wouldbe grateful if you would share
that intention with us.
If you're finding that thisstuff is helpful in some way or
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another, that just uh listeningto these ideas that you can grab
a few along the way and theymake your experience of your day
a little bit better.
If you would just, yeah, justput on whatever social media
you're on Instagram, Facebook,Twitter, MySpace.
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No, I didn't, I never had aMySpace.
SPEAKER_00 (02:27):
You did.
No, I did okay, maybe for like asecond, but I just wasn't into
it.
SPEAKER_03 (02:34):
Anyway, if you would just say, you know, here's
something that I found that Ilike and just put it out there
for other people in your worldto consider.
We'd be grateful.
And we will move forward in ourintention to help a hundred
thousand people.
SPEAKER_00 (02:49):
That's right.
I think I'm at 1,500 to 2,000.
So we're almost there.
Barb says, thumbs up.
So yeah, today we're we'retalking about anxiety.
I feel like talking aboutanxiety with the visual that
comes to me is is the universefull of stars and how our
cameras can only really point ata tiny, tiny little fraction of
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that.
And I feel like that's what thetopic is like when Les and I
were talking about it thismorning and yesterday.
There's just so much to it.
There's so many ways it couldgo.
Everyone has different kinds ofanxiety, obviously, but we're
just we're just gonna focus on alittle bit of it and then expand
from there in the school, ofcourse.
SPEAKER_03 (03:35):
I think that when it comes to using one's mind for
their own best interests, um,it's about you know how we think
of things.
Things are only a problem basedon how we think of them.
You know, I think that that's afirst really big idea is that
everything is basically neutral.
Nothing's ever good or bad, butthinking makes it so, as Hamlet
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said.
You know, it's just stuff.
And there's so much stuff outthere that we just don't care
about.
And it's easy to see it asneutral.
Yeah, you know, and then thereare things that we have
particular interpretations ofthat become problems, they
become issues, they evokeemotions, and we can't seem to
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get over the emotion.
Yeah, and that emotion comesback every time we engage that
particular thing because we areprogramming ourselves, we're
practicing that, and we haven'thad a chance to re-examine our
interpretation of that.
And that would be really asimple summary of what we do as
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hypnotists.
We help people examine theirinterpretations of their
experiences, and in doing so,many experiences that seem very
potent and all the way topainful emotionally uh suddenly
become very, very nothingburgers.
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They become, they become likeeverything else, which is
neither good or bad, justanother thing on the list of
things that happen.
SPEAKER_02 (05:12):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (05:12):
So if that's the big picture, right?
If that's the big picture, thenanxiety is part of that process
in which we have somehowinterpreted something as meaning
something other than as anothing burger.
We've interpreted that thing assomehow meaning something about
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us.
SPEAKER_00 (05:35):
Yeah.
Like either we're in danger orwe're gonna feel bad or we're
gonna be judged.
SPEAKER_03 (05:42):
When we get specific about anxiety, those are the
kinds of things we've bumpedinto over and over.
Messages, ideas, concepts thathave somehow got into our mind
as a habit, often when we'revery, very young.
So this is the big picture, andI'm talking about the big
picture.
Hillary will talk about thesmaller picture, but let's just
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talk about the big picture ofemotions.
What are some basic things toremember about emotion?
SPEAKER_00 (06:09):
That they move through you, that they're not
locked in forever, even thoughit does feel like that in the
moment, because we're always inthe present moment, no matter
what we think that we're livingin the past, living in the
future.
We're always in the presentmoment.
So in the present moment, whenwe have anxiety or any emotion,
it it feels like, well, when didthis even start and when will it
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end?
And you can't really see nothaving it.
So it's easy to get sucked intoit.
SPEAKER_03 (06:38):
So that's a great description, I think.
Oh emotions arise and then theygo away.
And it's important to see themlike that, and it's important to
let them be that temporary,temporary emotions are meant to
flow, right?
So the emotion is the directresult of how I am interpreting
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the situation, the event that'sgoing on around.
I don't have emotion aboutthings I don't care about.
I don't have, I'm gonna keepusing it.
I don't have emotions aboutnothing burgers, right?
I don't feel emotional aboutevents that don't seem to mean
anything about me.
So what's happened is I'veinterpreted something to mean
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something about me, related tome, and I've had an emotion
because of it.
That emotion is a message, it'snot meant to be in you, it's not
meant to stay with you forever,it's meant to communicate
something and motivate aresponse.
SPEAKER_00 (07:39):
Yeah, yeah.
It's it's like a little a littlesignpost that goes up and says,
you know, waving frantically,I'm over here, I need to be
listened to.
But what do we usually do?
We turn and run from it, whichjust makes it scream out louder,
you know.
SPEAKER_03 (07:58):
Well, and we get comfortable with our emotions so
that they stay with us.
Now, if we were to back up andsay, you know, emotions are
messages and they are meant toflow, they're meant to get a
response.
Let's take those three ideas,right?
They're messages, they're meantto flow, they're meant to go
away, right?
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And they will go away when yourespond in a satisfactory way to
them.
SPEAKER_02 (08:25):
Yeah, right.
SPEAKER_03 (08:26):
And then we talked a minute ago about before we
turned on the microphone, wetalked about, you know, what uh
I talk about as low grade fears,which are really the problem,
and high grade fears.
High grade fears are, you know,there's a tiger, it's right
there.
Think of that fear as beingreally, really intense.
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It's hard to miss the message.
I'm in danger.
That's the message.
I'm in danger.
I'm in danger, is the message offear.
I need to do something aboutthis.
So it's demanding a response.
So I turn and I run.
SPEAKER_02 (09:02):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (09:03):
Right.
And when the tiger sits therewhile I run away, that response
is satisfying the fear.
And I get back to my home and Iclose and lock the door, and I
realize I'm safe, which is asatisfying response.
SPEAKER_02 (09:21):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (09:21):
And now that fear is gone.
You can let that fear go.
You might remember, hey, I'm notgoing into that part of the
forest again because there's atiger there.
I might even pick up the phoneand say, hey, people, police,
whoever, you know, there's atiger over there.
I might do a lot of things toprotect myself in the future.
But the point is, is the emotiondemanded a response.
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I gave it the satisfactoryresponse.
Now the emotion goes away.
I can, if I know that the tigerwas over there in the forest,
well, I'm just not gonna gothere.
And now I don't need to beafraid of the tiger.
That's a great big, huge fear.
And it's easy when the big fearscome because they demand a
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response.
And as a result, they thosethose emotions can go away.
Now, if instead I interpretedthat experience as there's
tigers everywhere, now I'mafraid all the time there's
nothing I can do about it.
There is no satisfactoryresponse to there are tigers
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everywhere, which isn't true,and it really can't be true, but
our mind embraces that ideabecause we think about it over
and over and over, it becomespracticed.
And now thinking about going outthe door is a constant fear that
can't get resolved withoutchanging the way we think of and
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that fear that just doesn't seemto go away to the point where it
is constant.
People talk about anxiety.
SPEAKER_00 (11:00):
Yeah, and it even gets to the point where I've had
so many clients say this islike, I don't even know where
this is coming from anymore.
It's just so resistant tochange, to going away, to to
moving through.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (11:15):
And as a hypnotist, what do we say back to?
I don't know where this iscoming from.
SPEAKER_00 (11:19):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (11:19):
It's coming from inside you.
SPEAKER_00 (11:21):
Yeah, it's coming from your past, it's coming from
little fears stacked on fears,stacked on fears that are now
this, you know, sort of like asnowball now huge.
SPEAKER_03 (11:33):
And it's hard to say that it's really hard, I think,
for someone to say tothemselves, my fear is
irrational.
It's really hard to say that toyourself because it's real to
them, right?
Yeah, it's real to me.
SPEAKER_02 (11:49):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (11:50):
The question becomes, well, what am I really
afraid of?
And why do I have this fear?
What created this fear?
When the fear is inside you,it's really hard to be
analytical about it.
So, really, the first thing wedo when we're helping somebody
with anxiety is we just try torelease it for a little while.
SPEAKER_00 (12:13):
Yeah, and and see where the resistant parts come
up.
What are they still anxiousabout?
With anxiety, I found withclients it's it's of course
layered.
And sometimes there's twolayers, sometimes there's five
layers.
And the top layer, likeyesterday when I talked about
the nesting doll idea, the toplayer sheds away.
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And then they go, Oh my gosh,there's another thing coming up
which I didn't even think about.
I think it masks, right?
Each layer masks the layerunderneath.
And that's why I think, in myopinion, uh, it feels like we
don't even know where thisstarted, right?
It's so part of my life now thatI don't even know where it's
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coming from.
SPEAKER_03 (13:00):
And in our society, it's really natural to encourage
fear, right?
Like it's neat.
Yeah, it's everywhere to thinkabout the way products, right?
Products are sold using fear.
It's not that boy, you wouldenjoy this, it's you need this.
Yeah.
And you need this because ofthese awful things that might
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happen if you don't have that.
SPEAKER_00 (13:24):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (13:25):
It's not enough to say, well, yeah, like here's
here's a great way to makesomebody anxious all the time.
If we, without stating it, saythat aging is bad, and then we
sell anti-aging products.
Underneath those products isthat constant fear that I'm not
good enough, right?
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That as we get older, we becomeless worthwhile, less valuable.
And so you want to cover up thatgray, right?
You want to, you know, changeyour shape, you want to get rid
of those wrinkles.
There's this massive, you know,as a as a male, maybe women
don't know it, there's massivepush on male face products.
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Like it's huge, the number ofmale face products out there
today, right?
Soaks that turn your gray bearddark again and turn your gray
hair dark again, and get rid ofspecial creams now to to put on
your face to expand your skinand get rid of the wrinkles,
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right?
This this is huge with with mennow.
And I it all it had to do waspop into my feed once, and then
I clicked on it.
Yeah, because go, well, what theheck is this, right?
Because they were talking aboutbeef towel.
SPEAKER_02 (14:43):
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (14:44):
And I'm thinking, what?
All the all the rage.
What beef towel?
That's gross.
Yeah.
So I click on it, and now I amshocked at the number of
products that there are outthere telling men you're not
good enough anymore.
You're old.
Nobody wants old, right?
And I know that's been going onfor centuries with women.
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And I'm not, I'm just sayingthat it's going on for all of
us.
The point is, is that messagecreates an ongoing fear.
That fear, that's what they'retapping into.
That fear gets you to buythings.
SPEAKER_02 (15:22):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (15:22):
And so many of our products are being sold that
way, and so many of our productsthat we're creating are
creating, we're creating from abasis of fear.
SPEAKER_00 (15:34):
And they all seem to be the miracle product, right?
This will happen so fast for youbecause we need we need it to
happen fast so that we can feelgood enough.
SPEAKER_03 (15:47):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (15:48):
Again.
And it's just an endless loop,right?
Because it doesn't work thatway.
SPEAKER_03 (15:53):
So it's really easy for us to be living in this
world and being constantlybarraged with fears, subtle
fears.
And these are like the low-gradefears.
These aren't tigers staring usin the eye.
These are things that we shouldbe bothered by that won't ever
go away.
SPEAKER_02 (16:14):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (16:14):
Right?
SPEAKER_02 (16:15):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (16:15):
And that's where anxiety, because it's never good
enough, really kicks in.
Now that's great in a marketsociety.
You could sell a lot of stuffthat way, right?
You could sell thousands andthousands of products that way.
SPEAKER_02 (16:29):
And they do.
SPEAKER_03 (16:30):
And since we have to accept that media is only
existing for the purposes ofadvertising.
There is nothing on your phone,there is nothing on your TV,
there is nothing on your radio.
In fact, even your favoritepodcasts, not this one, even
your favorite podcasts haveadvertisements in them.
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So understand that the onlyreason all of these platforms
were built was so thatadvertisers could get access to
customers, which means you'rejust living your life.
You're just being a goodold-fashioned, normal person.
There's nothing wrong with you.
You're just doing your thing andconstantly without you even
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being aware because you're soused to it now, you're receiving
hundreds of messages of fearevery day.
Just by living your life, be itnormal in a marketplace world.
I think it's important not tospend your time being angry
about that or shutting off yourphone.
I think it's important to beaware that it's coming.
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Spot it.
That's to me like a really bigdeal.
If you can now, every time youreceive an advertisement, look
to see how they're trying tomake you afraid.
You can quickly neutralize that.
Yeah.
You can quickly say, ah, no, notme.
And that will take that emotionout of that experience and allow
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you quite literally to releasethe emotion, satisfy the
emotion.
The emotion goes away.
And now it's a nothing burger.
SPEAKER_00 (18:07):
For those that have never heard nothing burger
before, let's take a just aminute and explain that.
SPEAKER_03 (18:13):
I think everybody heard nothing burger.
SPEAKER_00 (18:15):
Oh, really?
It was new to me.
SPEAKER_03 (18:17):
Oh, I don't know.
I think everybody knows what aif you don't know what a nothing
burger, please reach it.
SPEAKER_00 (18:25):
Our chat says, I never heard of it.
SPEAKER_03 (18:28):
Never heard of it?
SPEAKER_00 (18:29):
Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_03 (18:29):
A nothing burger is when somebody puts information
together and gives it to you,and in the end, you're like,
well, this means nothing.
SPEAKER_00 (18:38):
This is but they're all hype about it.
SPEAKER_03 (18:40):
They're hyping, and you're receiving and you're
examining, and you're saying,Oh, this is nothing to be
bothered by.
This is nothing to be excitedabout.
This isn't this is just a bigfat nothing burger.
SPEAKER_02 (18:54):
Oh my gosh.
SPEAKER_03 (18:55):
Well, maybe we've started a trend.
I think people know what anothing is.
I think people if I know what anothing burger is, everybody
knows what a nothing burger is.
SPEAKER_00 (19:08):
Well, we got a thumbs up, so it's
understandable.
But back to anxiety.
It's really about worrying abouta future and a past, right?
You can worry about the past.
Oh my gosh, I do all the time.
SPEAKER_03 (19:22):
I think the past is experience.
And I think experience isconstantly at play in our
present.
It shapes our beliefs, what webelieve to be true right now
about me.
Now, if I was, let's say, youknow, if I was a tiger and along
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came, you know, a snake, Iprobably wouldn't be very
afraid.
I would bet that that snake isprobably afraid of the tiger,
right?
But I, as a human being, amafraid of snakes.
SPEAKER_02 (19:55):
Right.
SPEAKER_03 (19:56):
So what it is is what do I think about me, right?
And this is where the magiccomes in, because it's not about
telling you that what you thinkabout yourself is wrong.
It's about showing you the truthabout yourself.
SPEAKER_00 (20:14):
Yeah.
Yeah.
And when I think about that,like when I worry about the
past, it's usually it's usuallyonly about um, like, oh, I was
talking to that person and Isaid that stupid thing, and you
know, and then I ruminate on Iwish I hadn't said that.
And what are they thinking now?
And they probably didn't evennotice, you know.
But yeah, I, you know, itdoesn't keep me up at night or
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anything, but it certainly keepsme going in the day.
So it would be about me, what Ithink about me, you know.
I'm silly for saying that, or Igot, you know, why did I say
that?
SPEAKER_03 (20:51):
I think that that's when when we can deconstruct all
of our experiences as having anelement of interpretation about
myself, right?
If you remember it, it's becauseyou interpreted it about you.
Maybe something you should do,maybe something you should be,
maybe something you've doneright, something maybe you've
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done wrong, something that makesyou feel smarter, something that
makes you feel not so smart,something that makes you feel
capable, something that makesyou feel not so capable.
These are the experiences wecling to because they mean
something about us.
And if we can, if we can alwaysgo to what does this mean about
me?
Does this mean anything aboutme?
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Right?
SPEAKER_00 (21:35):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (21:35):
If that can always be part of our thought process,
we will carry fewer and fewerexperiences with us, which opens
up the future, right?
We will release a lot moreemotions, which won't cloud our
vision and get in the way of ourbeing ourselves, right?
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Just that idea that this is notabout me.
I I've never seen a morepowerful, life-changing reframe
working with clients than thisis not about me.
SPEAKER_00 (22:06):
Yeah, I've used that a lot with clients too.
I do see the change once it onceit clicks.
I think the reframe takes alittle minute because usually it
goes hand in hand with it'sabout them, not about me, right?
And when we start to like atfirst at least, I see some
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resistance to that because withclients, because it's hard to
see, well, what was going, whatwas actually going on for that
person.
We don't know, right?
So why is it all about them?
Does that make sense?
SPEAKER_03 (22:40):
Well, I think, I think, first of all, again, from
the deepest love um ourcaregivers from the instant
we're born are trying to protectus.
Somebody along the line hassuccessfully programmed them
into thinking the world's ascary place.
People are scary things.
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There's a lot of things to beworried about and fearful of.
And, you know, we just talkedabout how naturally that happens
in our lives, right?
So here's these wonderful peoplewho are surviving in the world,
who believe that that's becausethey have lots of fear.
And now they want to pass thosefears on to you because that's
how you're gonna be safe,because they love you so much
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and they want you to be safe.
And then they start to pass onthese fears to you.
You got to watch out for thisand you got to pay attention to
that, and look both ways acrossthe street, and away we go.
That it's about moving throughthe world in a cautious state.
And that creates apredisposition for fear that
causes us to interpreteverything that happens as
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somehow about us.
What does that mean about me?
Right, even to the point ofreading, feeling compelled to
read the news because a goodperson is informed, and to find
yourself upset about what'sgoing on for somebody else on
the other side of the world.
Now, I'm not trying to be mean.
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I don't think I'm being mean tosay that's going on on the other
side of the world.
And that kind of makes it not mybusiness.
Now, some people believe, no,no, everything is my business.
And I think that that's aprogram that's not helpful.
SPEAKER_00 (24:22):
Well, I think as humans, uh, we weren't meant to
we we were uh we started out inin small groups, right?
We weren't meant to know whatwas going on on, you know, the
other the other side of theworld.
We didn't even know there wasanother side of the world.
SPEAKER_03 (24:39):
But yeah, but how do I get you to sit in front of
advertisements except by tellingyou that a good person is well
informed and watches the news.
And so I turn on the news, andwhat I'm really watching, what
they're really selling to me,are the advertisements.
They want my attention so thatthey can sell my attention to an
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advertiser.
And so they're gonna turn thenews into something that makes
me think it's about me.
This is what all you peopleshould be afraid of.
This is what's going on, andit's their fault, right?
So now I got somebody to pointmy finger at, and I got
something to be afraid of, andthat keeps me outside myself,
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not resolving my emotions, notdealing with my own
interpretation of things, beingconvinced that what goes on in
the world is important to me.
And that's why one of thereframes I use with my clients
who have that, I've always hadthat tendency.
I'm one of those guys thatpeople used to ask what's going
on in the world, because I usedto pay attention to everything.
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Everything.
And so you could ask me about,you know, how many wars are
there in the world?
And I could tell you, right?
I could tell you who is fightingwho and why, right?
I thought that was important atthe time.
And I've reframed that formyself.
SPEAKER_00 (25:59):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (26:00):
I've reframed that to what I call my arm's reach
point of view.
SPEAKER_02 (26:05):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (26:05):
If I can, within my reach as a human being, in the
space that I occupy, in thepeople and circle that I have,
if I can make a difference, Iwant to.
I want to help 100,000 people.
100,000 people say, I am havingdifficulties managing my mind.
I want to help you.
And because I'm online, we canhelp people all around the
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world.
And that's great.
But you come into my arm's reachby coming onto our website and
saying, hey, Les, can you helpme with this?
SPEAKER_02 (26:38):
Right?
SPEAKER_03 (26:38):
We put each other within arm's reach, but I can't,
from where I stand today, Ican't do too much about what's
going on in Ukraine.
And being completely absorbed byit is not helping my life at
all.
It's not helping them at all.
It's really not accomplishingmuch.
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So for me, being aware and thenbeing aware of the people within
my reach that might be ofUkrainian background and want
help dealing with their emotionsabout it because that it can
mean something about them,right?
They can say, Well, I'mUkrainian and this is my my
ancestor's homeland.
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This might be a reason for themto say, Well, this does affect
me.
And I can help them manage that.
There's something I can do.
That's within my arm's reach.
It's not in my arm's reach tofix the world.
That's not, unfortunately,that's not ever going to happen.
But it is my within my arm'sreach to put my recordings and
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my meditations out there intothe world and hope that people
find it and get relief.
So there's a balance there.
Yeah.
What I believe though,fundamentally, is that when I'm
clear about how something doesor doesn't affect me, mean
anything about me.
When I'm clear that it doesn'tmean anything about me, I'm not
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gonna have emotions about it.
SPEAKER_00 (28:08):
Yeah.
I think anxiety, and I'm gonnatry to spell it out here.
I think anxiety can be, in manycircumstances, addictive.
I think of an anxiety loop wherethe person doesn't know that
they're, let's say, addicted totheir anxiety.
But there is this idea thatmaybe they have some anxiety.
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What's going on in the world?
Is the easiest one that I canthink of.
They have anxiety.
What's going on in the world?
They turn on the news.
That gives them an element ofresolve, right?
A tiny bit of resolve becausenow I know.
So then they get a little, evenif it's the tiniest, tiniest bit
of let's say dopamine.
And then the anxiety part, let'scall it a part for now, says,
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Oh, I was correct to give youanxiety because you resolved it
by looking at the news and I gota little hit of dopamine.
So I'm just gonna keep that loopgoing.
So we're not sitting aroundthinking we're addicted to
anxiety, but I think there issort of this loop that happens
for people without even knowing.
Yeah, without without evenwithout even knowing.
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You know, think of that idea ofdoom scrolling, right?
I think that's a loop.
I think that's an anxiety loop.
SPEAKER_03 (29:19):
FOMO.
SPEAKER_00 (29:19):
Yeah, you do you mean like you you want to be in
the know?
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (29:24):
FOMO F is fear, right?
Fear of missing out.
SPEAKER_00 (29:27):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (29:28):
FOMO is is the idea that somehow I'm not good enough
unless I know.
SPEAKER_00 (29:35):
So let's use another example.
This comes up a lot withclients, is fear of driving.
So this fear of driving, I'venoticed, gets worse and worse.
I mainly work with women.
I don't know if it if it gets alot worse with men as they get
older, but for some reason, alot of women I work with have
this fear of driving, and itjust seems to get worse as
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they're as they're gettingolder.
If you start Listening to that.
So say you're sitting on thecouch, oh, I want to go into
town.
I have to drive.
And then suddenly you have someanxiety about driving into town.
And then you say to yourself,okay, I'm not going into town.
The anxiety part goes, ah,again, I was correct, right?
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There was something to fear.
And so I'm going to do it againnext time you think about it.
Right.
It's this, it's this feeding it.
And I'm not, I guess I'm nottelling people to just totally
go out of their comfort zonesand move through it.
And, you know, but to be awarethat when we when we when we
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don't do something because wehave some anxiety about it, it's
it's, in my opinion, literallytelling the anxiety, you were
right.
You were right.
Protect me again next time.
SPEAKER_03 (30:50):
A well-practiced fear, unfortunately, becomes
hard to decipher.
And it needs to be deciphered.
To give it a satisfactoryresponse to solve and resolve
the fear, you need to know whatyou're afraid of.
SPEAKER_02 (31:07):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (31:08):
And so it's about taking a moment and breaking
down what exactly are you afraidof?
What might happen?
SPEAKER_02 (31:17):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (31:17):
And so for a lot of clients, that's the first step.
For many of us, that's anopportunity to resolve the fear
without asking for any help.
If I say, well, what am Iactually afraid of?
And then understand that maybeI'm already safe.
Uh the conditions already existthat I am safe.
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Or maybe there's a simple thingI can do to be safe.
I know you want to go on tosomething else.
SPEAKER_00 (31:46):
No, no, in the chat, it's asking, so is that then
strengthening the anxiety?
SPEAKER_03 (31:52):
Well, it's practicing the anxiety.
SPEAKER_00 (31:53):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (31:54):
Right?
It becomes a pattern, it becomesa thought process.
SPEAKER_02 (31:57):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (31:57):
It's getting hardwired in your your in your
neurology, in your neurobiology,what you practice, what you
know, where you put yourattention and what you think
about become well-homed thoughtpatterns.
SPEAKER_02 (32:11):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (32:11):
So anytime you are in that anxiety without trying
to resolve the emotion, you arecreating a pattern.
SPEAKER_00 (32:20):
Yeah, exactly.
So is worry a cycle too?
SPEAKER_03 (32:23):
Absolutely.
SPEAKER_00 (32:24):
A habitual thought process permit.
SPEAKER_03 (32:26):
And well, that's the perfect name for it, right?
Yeah.
Exactly.
It is a habitual thoughtprocess.
Thoughts are habits.
They really are.
60 to 120,000 a day, right?
80% you thought yesterday, 90%of those are negative, right?
Thoughts are habits.
We need to recognize that inourselves.
That's the power of oursubconscious mind, is that we
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become habitual, and that's howwe get really good at things.
Sometimes we get really good atthings that aren't helpful.
That's worry.
You know, and we can we knowthat.
You know, you talk to somebodywho would call themselves a
warrior.
They know it's not helpful.
They know they don't want to bethat way.
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But we can, as human beings,look at the way the world
exists, the way we've beendescribing now for half an hour,
and say becoming a warrior is apretty natural response to
what's going on in the worldtoday, right?
Becoming someone who's anxiousis a pretty natural, normal
response based on what we'reconstantly being messaged to us,
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right?
So yeah, you're normal.
To me, that's part of it, right?
Part of it is saying that thisis a thought pattern I created,
which means I can recreate, Ican create something different.
It might take some effort, itmight take some undoing, might
take some time, but it is ahabitual thought pattern, and I
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can change it.
That's empowering to me.
I'm normal, there's nothingwrong with me.
I've been taught to think thisway, but I can change the way I
think.
SPEAKER_00 (34:04):
Yeah.
So things that I've used to helppeople with this are the stream
technique, which is I've foundto be a technique that releases
those layers.
Imagining that the anxiety,worry, stress is flowing out
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into the water.
And that is paired with a color,you know, if someone notices a
color coming out of their feetinto the water.
And then they check, okay, can Iactually feel the worry?
Can I feel the anxiety?
And sometimes, again, I've likeI said yesterday, these things
are there's like they're sneaky.
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They they they'll move toanother part of the body.
But to me, in my mind, as ahypnosis, I'm thinking, okay,
well, that's just another layer,right?
They've released the one intheir in their chest, now it's
in their shoulder.
Okay, let's move that out aswell.
And each one is masking the oneunderneath, right?
Funnily enough, sometimes thecolors get darker, right?
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As we get down to the thenucleus.
Right.
And and then they'll think aboutwhat they were worried about,
anxious about, and they won't beable to feel it any longer.
So that's that's uh energeticone that I use.
SPEAKER_03 (35:25):
If if emotions are meant to flow, then that's just
a beautiful metaphor, isn't it?
Water flows, you're in a stream,it carries away these emotions.
You know, I what I think aboutwhen you talk about that is how
people do this for themselves.
Yeah.
Right?
How do people take yourtechnique and do it for
themselves?
Well, the way most people do itis they watch cat videos.
SPEAKER_02 (35:48):
Yeah, right.
SPEAKER_03 (35:49):
Yeah.
What they do is they shift theirmind to something pleasant, they
occupy their thought cycles withsomething that makes them feel
good.
SPEAKER_02 (35:59):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (36:00):
That's a really human thing to do.
That's a huge that's aninsightfully human thing to do.
To say, I want to change mythought pattern here.
I want to think about somethingelse.
I want to think about somethingthat creates calming emotions
and that turns down mysympathetic nervous system.
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But to be more deliberate aboutit and be aware that I have
emotion inside me that's notgetting resolved, and I want to
release it.
And that act of releasing it,and this is why I like the
stream, it often, sometimes,people will come in with such
intense emotions that we have tolet go of them through the
stream so that we can come backand look at them.
SPEAKER_00 (36:43):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And the stream is, I mean, Idon't think you can ever do it
wrong, right?
But while you're watching orsensing that color is coming out
of your feet and toes, all youhave to do is just watch it.
Don't push it, don't wonder,just watch it.
And when the subconscious, thisis what I have found anyway,
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when your subconscious mind isdone with it, the stream just
goes clear.
And you don't have to wonderwhen it's gonna go clear or push
it to be clear or imagine itclear.
You just watch the color andthat's it, right?
It's like self-suggested likeright idea.
And then you check.
Check to see if if you can lockon to that anxiety any longer.
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If you can, that's all right.
Doesn't mean it didn't work, youjust move that portion out.
Chances are you'll find thatit's smaller, right?
Or it's moved, or it's aboutsomething else that comes up.
There's another one I want totalk about, another technique
that I use where you convincethe mind that whatever you're
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worried about coming up in thefuture has already happened.
So how you do that is youimagine yourself, say, let's
take a let's take a party thatyou're going to and you're
worried about going to theparty, right?
People are there.
I haven't seen these people in along time.
You know, there's lots of thingsthat people worry about.
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So let's imagine that the partyhas already happened and you're
now on the other side of theparty.
Maybe you're back home.
And what are the things, thegood things that happened to get
you there?
Right?
Bullet point list them.
Well, people were nice to me.
I felt comfortable.
The food was good, right?
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I felt safe.
I'm using past tense words here,right?
So you are basically placing themind because your subconscious
mind doesn't know whether whatyou're thinking thinking about
is real or pretend, likeactually happening or not
happening.
You can place yourself in astate of, well, it actually went
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pretty well.
And this is how it went well.
And you'd be amazed how peoplecan't then, when they think
about going to the party, theycan't lock on to that emotion,
that anxiety.
SPEAKER_03 (39:02):
Imagination and intention, such powerful tools
to form the intention thattoday's gonna be a great day.
I'm gonna accomplish a lot, I'mgonna meet some new people
today, I'm gonna have some newfriends today.
These kinds of intentions, theimagination.
You know, every hypnosis sessionincludes what we call, come to
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call, I don't know if everyhypnotist calls it, future
pacing, which is just quiteliterally seeing the future
without the problem, seeing thefuture with the problem
resolved, seeing in this casethe future without the anxiety.
And so when you release, use thestream and release those
emotions, they become easier tomanage.
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You can then take that time tolook and ask, what is it that
you're afraid of?
And then you can start to useyour intelligent mind, your
conscious mind to say, well, youknow, is that really going to
happen?
What are the chances of that?
And what would my response be?
And then you future paste thatout, seeing yourself at the
party, relaxed, meeting people,being happy.
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Um uh people are allowed to saywhatever they want.
And it, you know, you embracethat idea that it's not about
me.
You see them living this partyin a really happy way, coming
from it with new friends andpeople being happy.
And all of that, because it'simagination, the subconscious
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mind doesn't really know thedifference.
And the subconscious mind willplay that out because now that's
been practiced.
Now that can be repeated.
SPEAKER_02 (40:40):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (40:41):
And you can take whatever part of the party,
let's say, that's the problem,maybe it's walking in the door,
or maybe it's I'm gonna see thatperson, or these kinds of
things.
And you could practice that overand over, seeing it go well.
And all of that reduces in thesubconscious mind the fear of
the event itself.
SPEAKER_00 (41:00):
Yeah.
I think we all we mostly resortto it's gonna be fine, it's
gonna be okay, it's gonna befine, it's gonna be okay.
And that the subconscious minddoubles down at that point,
right?
SPEAKER_03 (41:13):
It's an argument.
SPEAKER_00 (41:14):
It it becomes an argument, yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (41:16):
With your subconscious mind.
SPEAKER_00 (41:17):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (41:17):
But if you see it, if you take it further, like
it's gonna be okay is a greatstart.
I am always safe, is a greatstart, but you gotta take that
further and see it, imagine itas going well, and put that
effort in that takes it furtherin the subconscious mind.
Because now the subconsciousmind's open to the possibility
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that, oh, well, it could goreally well.
SPEAKER_00 (41:40):
Yeah, yeah.
So, yeah, that's just a snippetof anxiety.
SPEAKER_03 (41:46):
Because there's so many things, you know, anxiety
is a very personal thing becauseeverybody has their own
anxieties about their ownthings.
And everybody has their ownprogramming around things to be
afraid of.
And anxiety is just thatlow-grade fear that says
something could go wrong,something could go bad.
That thing I'm afraid of couldhappen.
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And sometimes that's rationaland very helpful.
And, you know, sometimes whensomething looks like it could go
bad, it's it's a smart move toavoid it.
Yeah, that's a good resolutionof your fear, and sometimes it's
a misinterpretation of thepossibility of fear, a
misinterpretation of your ownability to deal with what you're
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afraid of.
SPEAKER_02 (42:32):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (42:32):
And sometimes that can be released, and sometimes
that requires exam furtherexamination in the form of,
well, we typically useregression, yeah.
Going specifically back to theoriginal time that this emotion
kicked in and looking at how toreinterpret it.
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But here's here's a simplereframe that you might find
helpful right now.
When we take somebody back inregression, we often, I often,
the technique I use when I'mregressing to a moment, usually
a moment where there's a child,the child version of you.
I bring your present-day selfwith you, right?
So your present-day self is nowthere beside the child version
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of yourself that went throughthat experience.
So here's the thing, right?
The thing is that your adultself wouldn't be there if you
hadn't survived.
You actually survived it.
Your existence as your adultself is proof to your child self
that you have what it takes tosurvive this.
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You have what it takes to getthrough this, you have
strategies and abilities to getpast it.
So always remind yourself thatmy very existence today is proof
that I'm pretty capable.
My very existence today is proofthat I'm pretty smart and that I
can navigate life.
My very existence today is proofof all of my abilities to get
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past these kinds of andsometimes that that reframe can
be enough.
SPEAKER_00 (44:06):
Yeah, absolutely.
I've seen it be enough,especially in heavy, heavily
traumatic circumstances when youdon't think there's any reframe.
So I guess that's it for today.
Any more questions?
No, no questions.
Thanks for the chat.
All right, well, everyone have agood day, and we will see you
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tomorrow.
We are on the line.
SPEAKER_03 (00:13):
Good morning from the lake.
It's a little bit of ice outthere.
SPEAKER_00 (00:16):
Is it really?
SPEAKER_03 (00:17):
Yeah.
Yeah, in the shallows.
It's crispy.
It's been cold all night.
SPEAKER_00 (00:23):
It is crispy.
It is crispy.
SPEAKER_03 (00:25):
Explains why there's no ducks up close to the shore.
SPEAKER_00 (00:28):
Yeah.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (00:29):
So.
SPEAKER_00 (00:30):
Yeah.
So before we get started here,we we did want to say that if
you if you listen to this andyou enjoy it, give it a share.
Post it, you know, send it to afriend.
SPEAKER_02 (00:43):
Please.
SPEAKER_00 (00:44):
Please share it on your socials if you want.
Yeah.
It'd just be nice to to grow ourlittle group of listeners.
SPEAKER_03 (00:52):
That's one of those we've changed our intentions.
Intentions are everything, asyou know, I've said a million
times.
Intentions are everything.
And our intention now is to,with our with our system of
school and our online stuff, ourgoal is to, in the near future,
help a hundred thousand people.
It's a big-minded goal.
(01:13):
Um, as I was led to in my mymeditative state, it's about the
intensity of your intentions.
I thought that was really cool,a really neat way to look at it.
The intensity of yourintentions.
When your intentions are really,really big and really specific,
they they guide your actions,they guide everything and they
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get you to do things.
And when we set that intentionof we're going to help 100,000
people, we've been helpingpeople one-on-one, lots of
people, but it's one-on-one abit at a time.
It's time to crank up thatnumber.
And so it'd be we really wouldbe grateful if you would share
that intention with us.
If you're finding that thisstuff is helpful in some way or
(01:59):
another, that just uh listeningto these ideas that you can grab
a few along the way and theymake your experience of your day
a little bit better.
If you would just, yeah, justput on whatever social media
you're on Instagram, Facebook,Twitter, MySpace.
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No, I didn't, I never had aMySpace.
SPEAKER_00 (02:27):
You did.
No, I did okay, maybe for like asecond, but I just wasn't into
it.
SPEAKER_03 (02:34):
Anyway, if you would just say, you know, here's
something that I found that Ilike and just put it out there
for other people in your worldto consider.
We'd be grateful.
And we will move forward in ourintention to help a hundred
thousand people.
SPEAKER_00 (02:49):
That's right.
I think I'm at 1,500 to 2,000.
So we're almost there.
Barb says, thumbs up.
So yeah, today we're we'retalking about anxiety.
I feel like talking aboutanxiety with the visual that
comes to me is is the universefull of stars and how our
cameras can only really point ata tiny, tiny little fraction of
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that.
And I feel like that's what thetopic is like when Les and I
were talking about it thismorning and yesterday.
There's just so much to it.
There's so many ways it couldgo.
Everyone has different kinds ofanxiety, obviously, but we're
just we're just gonna focus on alittle bit of it and then expand
from there in the school, ofcourse.
SPEAKER_03 (03:35):
I think that when it comes to using one's mind for
their own best interests, um,it's about you know how we think
of things.
Things are only a problem basedon how we think of them.
You know, I think that that's afirst really big idea is that
everything is basically neutral.
Nothing's ever good or bad, butthinking makes it so, as Hamlet
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said.
You know, it's just stuff.
And there's so much stuff outthere that we just don't care
about.
And it's easy to see it asneutral.
Yeah, you know, and then thereare things that we have
particular interpretations ofthat become problems, they
become issues, they evokeemotions, and we can't seem to
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get over the emotion.
Yeah, and that emotion comesback every time we engage that
particular thing because we areprogramming ourselves, we're
practicing that, and we haven'thad a chance to re-examine our
interpretation of that.
And that would be really asimple summary of what we do as
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hypnotists.
We help people examine theirinterpretations of their
experiences, and in doing so,many experiences that seem very
potent and all the way topainful emotionally uh suddenly
become very, very nothingburgers.
(05:03):
They become, they become likeeverything else, which is
neither good or bad, justanother thing on the list of
things that happen.
SPEAKER_02 (05:12):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (05:12):
So if that's the big picture, right?
If that's the big picture, thenanxiety is part of that process
in which we have somehowinterpreted something as meaning
something other than as anothing burger.
We've interpreted that thing assomehow meaning something about
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us.
SPEAKER_00 (05:35):
Yeah.
Like either we're in danger orwe're gonna feel bad or we're
gonna be judged.
SPEAKER_03 (05:42):
When we get specific about anxiety, those are the
kinds of things we've bumpedinto over and over.
Messages, ideas, concepts thathave somehow got into our mind
as a habit, often when we'revery, very young.
So this is the big picture, andI'm talking about the big
picture.
Hillary will talk about thesmaller picture, but let's just
(06:02):
talk about the big picture ofemotions.
What are some basic things toremember about emotion?
SPEAKER_00 (06:09):
That they move through you, that they're not
locked in forever, even thoughit does feel like that in the
moment, because we're always inthe present moment, no matter
what we think that we're livingin the past, living in the
future.
We're always in the presentmoment.
So in the present moment, whenwe have anxiety or any emotion,
it it feels like, well, when didthis even start and when will it
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end?
And you can't really see nothaving it.
So it's easy to get sucked intoit.
SPEAKER_03 (06:38):
So that's a great description, I think.
Oh emotions arise and then theygo away.
And it's important to see themlike that, and it's important to
let them be that temporary,temporary emotions are meant to
flow, right?
So the emotion is the directresult of how I am interpreting
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the situation, the event that'sgoing on around.
I don't have emotion aboutthings I don't care about.
I don't have, I'm gonna keepusing it.
I don't have emotions aboutnothing burgers, right?
I don't feel emotional aboutevents that don't seem to mean
anything about me.
So what's happened is I'veinterpreted something to mean
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something about me, related tome, and I've had an emotion
because of it.
That emotion is a message, it'snot meant to be in you, it's not
meant to stay with you forever,it's meant to communicate
something and motivate aresponse.
SPEAKER_00 (07:39):
Yeah, yeah.
It's it's like a little a littlesignpost that goes up and says,
you know, waving frantically,I'm over here, I need to be
listened to.
But what do we usually do?
We turn and run from it, whichjust makes it scream out louder,
you know.
SPEAKER_03 (07:58):
Well, and we get comfortable with our emotions so
that they stay with us.
Now, if we were to back up andsay, you know, emotions are
messages and they are meant toflow, they're meant to get a
response.
Let's take those three ideas,right?
They're messages, they're meantto flow, they're meant to go
away, right?
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And they will go away when yourespond in a satisfactory way to
them.
SPEAKER_02 (08:25):
Yeah, right.
SPEAKER_03 (08:26):
And then we talked a minute ago about before we
turned on the microphone, wetalked about, you know, what uh
I talk about as low grade fears,which are really the problem,
and high grade fears.
High grade fears are, you know,there's a tiger, it's right
there.
Think of that fear as beingreally, really intense.
(08:47):
It's hard to miss the message.
I'm in danger.
That's the message.
I'm in danger.
I'm in danger, is the message offear.
I need to do something aboutthis.
So it's demanding a response.
So I turn and I run.
SPEAKER_02 (09:02):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (09:03):
Right.
And when the tiger sits therewhile I run away, that response
is satisfying the fear.
And I get back to my home and Iclose and lock the door, and I
realize I'm safe, which is asatisfying response.
SPEAKER_02 (09:21):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (09:21):
And now that fear is gone.
You can let that fear go.
You might remember, hey, I'm notgoing into that part of the
forest again because there's atiger there.
I might even pick up the phoneand say, hey, people, police,
whoever, you know, there's atiger over there.
I might do a lot of things toprotect myself in the future.
But the point is, is the emotiondemanded a response.
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I gave it the satisfactoryresponse.
Now the emotion goes away.
I can, if I know that the tigerwas over there in the forest,
well, I'm just not gonna gothere.
And now I don't need to beafraid of the tiger.
That's a great big, huge fear.
And it's easy when the big fearscome because they demand a
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response.
And as a result, they thosethose emotions can go away.
Now, if instead I interpretedthat experience as there's
tigers everywhere, now I'mafraid all the time there's
nothing I can do about it.
There is no satisfactoryresponse to there are tigers
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everywhere, which isn't true,and it really can't be true, but
our mind embraces that ideabecause we think about it over
and over and over, it becomespracticed.
And now thinking about going outthe door is a constant fear that
can't get resolved withoutchanging the way we think of and
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that fear that just doesn't seemto go away to the point where it
is constant.
People talk about anxiety.
SPEAKER_00 (11:00):
Yeah, and it even gets to the point where I've had
so many clients say this islike, I don't even know where
this is coming from anymore.
It's just so resistant tochange, to going away, to to
moving through.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (11:15):
And as a hypnotist, what do we say back to?
I don't know where this iscoming from.
SPEAKER_00 (11:19):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (11:19):
It's coming from inside you.
SPEAKER_00 (11:21):
Yeah, it's coming from your past, it's coming from
little fears stacked on fears,stacked on fears that are now
this, you know, sort of like asnowball now huge.
SPEAKER_03 (11:33):
And it's hard to say that it's really hard, I think,
for someone to say tothemselves, my fear is
irrational.
It's really hard to say that toyourself because it's real to
them, right?
Yeah, it's real to me.
SPEAKER_02 (11:49):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (11:50):
The question becomes, well, what am I really
afraid of?
And why do I have this fear?
What created this fear?
When the fear is inside you,it's really hard to be
analytical about it.
So, really, the first thing wedo when we're helping somebody
with anxiety is we just try torelease it for a little while.
SPEAKER_00 (12:13):
Yeah, and and see where the resistant parts come
up.
What are they still anxiousabout?
With anxiety, I found withclients it's it's of course
layered.
And sometimes there's twolayers, sometimes there's five
layers.
And the top layer, likeyesterday when I talked about
the nesting doll idea, the toplayer sheds away.
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And then they go, Oh my gosh,there's another thing coming up
which I didn't even think about.
I think it masks, right?
Each layer masks the layerunderneath.
And that's why I think, in myopinion, uh, it feels like we
don't even know where thisstarted, right?
It's so part of my life now thatI don't even know where it's
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coming from.
SPEAKER_03 (13:00):
And in our society, it's really natural to encourage
fear, right?
Like it's neat.
Yeah, it's everywhere to thinkabout the way products, right?
Products are sold using fear.
It's not that boy, you wouldenjoy this, it's you need this.
Yeah.
And you need this because ofthese awful things that might
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happen if you don't have that.
SPEAKER_00 (13:24):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (13:25):
It's not enough to say, well, yeah, like here's
here's a great way to makesomebody anxious all the time.
If we, without stating it, saythat aging is bad, and then we
sell anti-aging products.
Underneath those products isthat constant fear that I'm not
good enough, right?
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That as we get older, we becomeless worthwhile, less valuable.
And so you want to cover up thatgray, right?
You want to, you know, changeyour shape, you want to get rid
of those wrinkles.
There's this massive, you know,as a as a male, maybe women
don't know it, there's massivepush on male face products.
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Like it's huge, the number ofmale face products out there
today, right?
Soaks that turn your gray bearddark again and turn your gray
hair dark again, and get rid ofspecial creams now to to put on
your face to expand your skinand get rid of the wrinkles,
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right?
This this is huge with with mennow.
And I it all it had to do waspop into my feed once, and then
I clicked on it.
Yeah, because go, well, what theheck is this, right?
Because they were talking aboutbeef towel.
SPEAKER_02 (14:43):
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (14:44):
And I'm thinking, what?
All the all the rage.
What beef towel?
That's gross.
Yeah.
So I click on it, and now I amshocked at the number of
products that there are outthere telling men you're not
good enough anymore.
You're old.
Nobody wants old, right?
And I know that's been going onfor centuries with women.
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And I'm not, I'm just sayingthat it's going on for all of
us.
The point is, is that messagecreates an ongoing fear.
That fear, that's what they'retapping into.
That fear gets you to buythings.
SPEAKER_02 (15:22):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (15:22):
And so many of our products are being sold that
way, and so many of our productsthat we're creating are
creating, we're creating from abasis of fear.
SPEAKER_00 (15:34):
And they all seem to be the miracle product, right?
This will happen so fast for youbecause we need we need it to
happen fast so that we can feelgood enough.
SPEAKER_03 (15:47):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (15:48):
Again.
And it's just an endless loop,right?
Because it doesn't work thatway.
SPEAKER_03 (15:53):
So it's really easy for us to be living in this
world and being constantlybarraged with fears, subtle
fears.
And these are like the low-gradefears.
These aren't tigers staring usin the eye.
These are things that we shouldbe bothered by that won't ever
go away.
SPEAKER_02 (16:14):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (16:14):
Right?
SPEAKER_02 (16:15):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (16:15):
And that's where anxiety, because it's never good
enough, really kicks in.
Now that's great in a marketsociety.
You could sell a lot of stuffthat way, right?
You could sell thousands andthousands of products that way.
SPEAKER_02 (16:29):
And they do.
SPEAKER_03 (16:30):
And since we have to accept that media is only
existing for the purposes ofadvertising.
There is nothing on your phone,there is nothing on your TV,
there is nothing on your radio.
In fact, even your favoritepodcasts, not this one, even
your favorite podcasts haveadvertisements in them.
(16:52):
So understand that the onlyreason all of these platforms
were built was so thatadvertisers could get access to
customers, which means you'rejust living your life.
You're just being a goodold-fashioned, normal person.
There's nothing wrong with you.
You're just doing your thing andconstantly without you even
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being aware because you're soused to it now, you're receiving
hundreds of messages of fearevery day.
Just by living your life, be itnormal in a marketplace world.
I think it's important not tospend your time being angry
about that or shutting off yourphone.
I think it's important to beaware that it's coming.
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Spot it.
That's to me like a really bigdeal.
If you can now, every time youreceive an advertisement, look
to see how they're trying tomake you afraid.
You can quickly neutralize that.
Yeah.
You can quickly say, ah, no, notme.
And that will take that emotionout of that experience and allow
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you quite literally to releasethe emotion, satisfy the
emotion.
The emotion goes away.
And now it's a nothing burger.
SPEAKER_00 (18:07):
For those that have never heard nothing burger
before, let's take a just aminute and explain that.
SPEAKER_03 (18:13):
I think everybody heard nothing burger.
SPEAKER_00 (18:15):
Oh, really?
It was new to me.
SPEAKER_03 (18:17):
Oh, I don't know.
I think everybody knows what aif you don't know what a nothing
burger, please reach it.
SPEAKER_00 (18:25):
Our chat says, I never heard of it.
SPEAKER_03 (18:28):
Never heard of it?
SPEAKER_00 (18:29):
Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_03 (18:29):
A nothing burger is when somebody puts information
together and gives it to you,and in the end, you're like,
well, this means nothing.
SPEAKER_00 (18:38):
This is but they're all hype about it.
SPEAKER_03 (18:40):
They're hyping, and you're receiving and you're
examining, and you're saying,Oh, this is nothing to be
bothered by.
This is nothing to be excitedabout.
This isn't this is just a bigfat nothing burger.
SPEAKER_02 (18:54):
Oh my gosh.
SPEAKER_03 (18:55):
Well, maybe we've started a trend.
I think people know what anothing is.
I think people if I know what anothing burger is, everybody
knows what a nothing burger is.
SPEAKER_00 (19:08):
Well, we got a thumbs up, so it's
understandable.
But back to anxiety.
It's really about worrying abouta future and a past, right?
You can worry about the past.
Oh my gosh, I do all the time.
SPEAKER_03 (19:22):
I think the past is experience.
And I think experience isconstantly at play in our
present.
It shapes our beliefs, what webelieve to be true right now
about me.
Now, if I was, let's say, youknow, if I was a tiger and along
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came, you know, a snake, Iprobably wouldn't be very
afraid.
I would bet that that snake isprobably afraid of the tiger,
right?
But I, as a human being, amafraid of snakes.
SPEAKER_02 (19:55):
Right.
SPEAKER_03 (19:56):
So what it is is what do I think about me, right?
And this is where the magiccomes in, because it's not about
telling you that what you thinkabout yourself is wrong.
It's about showing you the truthabout yourself.
SPEAKER_00 (20:14):
Yeah.
Yeah.
And when I think about that,like when I worry about the
past, it's usually it's usuallyonly about um, like, oh, I was
talking to that person and Isaid that stupid thing, and you
know, and then I ruminate on Iwish I hadn't said that.
And what are they thinking now?
And they probably didn't evennotice, you know.
But yeah, I, you know, itdoesn't keep me up at night or
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anything, but it certainly keepsme going in the day.
So it would be about me, what Ithink about me, you know.
I'm silly for saying that, or Igot, you know, why did I say
that?
SPEAKER_03 (20:51):
I think that that's when when we can deconstruct all
of our experiences as having anelement of interpretation about
myself, right?
If you remember it, it's becauseyou interpreted it about you.
Maybe something you should do,maybe something you should be,
maybe something you've doneright, something maybe you've
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done wrong, something that makesyou feel smarter, something that
makes you feel not so smart,something that makes you feel
capable, something that makesyou feel not so capable.
These are the experiences wecling to because they mean
something about us.
And if we can, if we can alwaysgo to what does this mean about
me?
Does this mean anything aboutme?
(21:34):
Right?
SPEAKER_00 (21:35):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (21:35):
If that can always be part of our thought process,
we will carry fewer and fewerexperiences with us, which opens
up the future, right?
We will release a lot moreemotions, which won't cloud our
vision and get in the way of ourbeing ourselves, right?
(21:55):
Just that idea that this is notabout me.
I I've never seen a morepowerful, life-changing reframe
working with clients than thisis not about me.
SPEAKER_00 (22:06):
Yeah, I've used that a lot with clients too.
I do see the change once it onceit clicks.
I think the reframe takes alittle minute because usually it
goes hand in hand with it'sabout them, not about me, right?
And when we start to like atfirst at least, I see some
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resistance to that because withclients, because it's hard to
see, well, what was going, whatwas actually going on for that
person.
We don't know, right?
So why is it all about them?
Does that make sense?
SPEAKER_03 (22:40):
Well, I think, I think, first of all, again, from
the deepest love um ourcaregivers from the instant
we're born are trying to protectus.
Somebody along the line hassuccessfully programmed them
into thinking the world's ascary place.
People are scary things.
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There's a lot of things to beworried about and fearful of.
And, you know, we just talkedabout how naturally that happens
in our lives, right?
So here's these wonderful peoplewho are surviving in the world,
who believe that that's becausethey have lots of fear.
And now they want to pass thosefears on to you because that's
how you're gonna be safe,because they love you so much
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and they want you to be safe.
And then they start to pass onthese fears to you.
You got to watch out for thisand you got to pay attention to
that, and look both ways acrossthe street, and away we go.
That it's about moving throughthe world in a cautious state.
And that creates apredisposition for fear that
causes us to interpreteverything that happens as
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somehow about us.
What does that mean about me?
Right, even to the point ofreading, feeling compelled to
read the news because a goodperson is informed, and to find
yourself upset about what'sgoing on for somebody else on
the other side of the world.
Now, I'm not trying to be mean.
(24:08):
I don't think I'm being mean tosay that's going on on the other
side of the world.
And that kind of makes it not mybusiness.
Now, some people believe, no,no, everything is my business.
And I think that that's aprogram that's not helpful.
SPEAKER_00 (24:22):
Well, I think as humans, uh, we weren't meant to
we we were uh we started out inin small groups, right?
We weren't meant to know whatwas going on on, you know, the
other the other side of theworld.
We didn't even know there wasanother side of the world.
SPEAKER_03 (24:39):
But yeah, but how do I get you to sit in front of
advertisements except by tellingyou that a good person is well
informed and watches the news.
And so I turn on the news, andwhat I'm really watching, what
they're really selling to me,are the advertisements.
They want my attention so thatthey can sell my attention to an
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advertiser.
And so they're gonna turn thenews into something that makes
me think it's about me.
This is what all you peopleshould be afraid of.
This is what's going on, andit's their fault, right?
So now I got somebody to pointmy finger at, and I got
something to be afraid of, andthat keeps me outside myself,
(25:22):
not resolving my emotions, notdealing with my own
interpretation of things, beingconvinced that what goes on in
the world is important to me.
And that's why one of thereframes I use with my clients
who have that, I've always hadthat tendency.
I'm one of those guys thatpeople used to ask what's going
on in the world, because I usedto pay attention to everything.
(25:45):
Everything.
And so you could ask me about,you know, how many wars are
there in the world?
And I could tell you, right?
I could tell you who is fightingwho and why, right?
I thought that was important atthe time.
And I've reframed that formyself.
SPEAKER_00 (25:59):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (26:00):
I've reframed that to what I call my arm's reach
point of view.
SPEAKER_02 (26:05):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (26:05):
If I can, within my reach as a human being, in the
space that I occupy, in thepeople and circle that I have,
if I can make a difference, Iwant to.
I want to help 100,000 people.
100,000 people say, I am havingdifficulties managing my mind.
I want to help you.
And because I'm online, we canhelp people all around the
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world.
And that's great.
But you come into my arm's reachby coming onto our website and
saying, hey, Les, can you helpme with this?
SPEAKER_02 (26:38):
Right?
SPEAKER_03 (26:38):
We put each other within arm's reach, but I can't,
from where I stand today, Ican't do too much about what's
going on in Ukraine.
And being completely absorbed byit is not helping my life at
all.
It's not helping them at all.
It's really not accomplishingmuch.
(27:01):
So for me, being aware and thenbeing aware of the people within
my reach that might be ofUkrainian background and want
help dealing with their emotionsabout it because that it can
mean something about them,right?
They can say, Well, I'mUkrainian and this is my my
ancestor's homeland.
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This might be a reason for themto say, Well, this does affect
me.
And I can help them manage that.
There's something I can do.
That's within my arm's reach.
It's not in my arm's reach tofix the world.
That's not, unfortunately,that's not ever going to happen.
But it is my within my arm'sreach to put my recordings and
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my meditations out there intothe world and hope that people
find it and get relief.
So there's a balance there.
Yeah.
What I believe though,fundamentally, is that when I'm
clear about how something doesor doesn't affect me, mean
anything about me.
When I'm clear that it doesn'tmean anything about me, I'm not
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gonna have emotions about it.
SPEAKER_00 (28:08):
Yeah.
I think anxiety, and I'm gonnatry to spell it out here.
I think anxiety can be, in manycircumstances, addictive.
I think of an anxiety loop wherethe person doesn't know that
they're, let's say, addicted totheir anxiety.
But there is this idea thatmaybe they have some anxiety.
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What's going on in the world?
Is the easiest one that I canthink of.
They have anxiety.
What's going on in the world?
They turn on the news.
That gives them an element ofresolve, right?
A tiny bit of resolve becausenow I know.
So then they get a little, evenif it's the tiniest, tiniest bit
of let's say dopamine.
And then the anxiety part, let'scall it a part for now, says,
(28:52):
Oh, I was correct to give youanxiety because you resolved it
by looking at the news and I gota little hit of dopamine.
So I'm just gonna keep that loopgoing.
So we're not sitting aroundthinking we're addicted to
anxiety, but I think there issort of this loop that happens
for people without even knowing.
Yeah, without without evenwithout even knowing.
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You know, think of that idea ofdoom scrolling, right?
I think that's a loop.
I think that's an anxiety loop.
SPEAKER_03 (29:19):
FOMO.
SPEAKER_00 (29:19):
Yeah, you do you mean like you you want to be in
the know?
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (29:24):
FOMO F is fear, right?
Fear of missing out.
SPEAKER_00 (29:27):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (29:28):
FOMO is is the idea that somehow I'm not good enough
unless I know.
SPEAKER_00 (29:35):
So let's use another example.
This comes up a lot withclients, is fear of driving.
So this fear of driving, I'venoticed, gets worse and worse.
I mainly work with women.
I don't know if it if it gets alot worse with men as they get
older, but for some reason, alot of women I work with have
this fear of driving, and itjust seems to get worse as
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they're as they're gettingolder.
If you start Listening to that.
So say you're sitting on thecouch, oh, I want to go into
town.
I have to drive.
And then suddenly you have someanxiety about driving into town.
And then you say to yourself,okay, I'm not going into town.
The anxiety part goes, ah,again, I was correct, right?
(30:17):
There was something to fear.
And so I'm going to do it againnext time you think about it.
Right.
It's this, it's this feeding it.
And I'm not, I guess I'm nottelling people to just totally
go out of their comfort zonesand move through it.
And, you know, but to be awarethat when we when we when we
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don't do something because wehave some anxiety about it, it's
it's, in my opinion, literallytelling the anxiety, you were
right.
You were right.
Protect me again next time.
SPEAKER_03 (30:50):
A well-practiced fear, unfortunately, becomes
hard to decipher.
And it needs to be deciphered.
To give it a satisfactoryresponse to solve and resolve
the fear, you need to know whatyou're afraid of.
SPEAKER_02 (31:07):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (31:08):
And so it's about taking a moment and breaking
down what exactly are you afraidof?
What might happen?
SPEAKER_02 (31:17):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (31:17):
And so for a lot of clients, that's the first step.
For many of us, that's anopportunity to resolve the fear
without asking for any help.
If I say, well, what am Iactually afraid of?
And then understand that maybeI'm already safe.
Uh the conditions already existthat I am safe.
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Or maybe there's a simple thingI can do to be safe.
I know you want to go on tosomething else.
SPEAKER_00 (31:46):
No, no, in the chat, it's asking, so is that then
strengthening the anxiety?
SPEAKER_03 (31:52):
Well, it's practicing the anxiety.
SPEAKER_00 (31:53):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (31:54):
Right?
It becomes a pattern, it becomesa thought process.
SPEAKER_02 (31:57):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (31:57):
It's getting hardwired in your your in your
neurology, in your neurobiology,what you practice, what you
know, where you put yourattention and what you think
about become well-homed thoughtpatterns.
SPEAKER_02 (32:11):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (32:11):
So anytime you are in that anxiety without trying
to resolve the emotion, you arecreating a pattern.
SPEAKER_00 (32:20):
Yeah, exactly.
So is worry a cycle too?
SPEAKER_03 (32:23):
Absolutely.
SPEAKER_00 (32:24):
A habitual thought process permit.
SPEAKER_03 (32:26):
And well, that's the perfect name for it, right?
Yeah.
Exactly.
It is a habitual thoughtprocess.
Thoughts are habits.
They really are.
60 to 120,000 a day, right?
80% you thought yesterday, 90%of those are negative, right?
Thoughts are habits.
We need to recognize that inourselves.
That's the power of oursubconscious mind, is that we
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become habitual, and that's howwe get really good at things.
Sometimes we get really good atthings that aren't helpful.
That's worry.
You know, and we can we knowthat.
You know, you talk to somebodywho would call themselves a
warrior.
They know it's not helpful.
They know they don't want to bethat way.
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But we can, as human beings,look at the way the world
exists, the way we've beendescribing now for half an hour,
and say becoming a warrior is apretty natural response to
what's going on in the worldtoday, right?
Becoming someone who's anxiousis a pretty natural, normal
response based on what we'reconstantly being messaged to us,
(33:36):
right?
So yeah, you're normal.
To me, that's part of it, right?
Part of it is saying that thisis a thought pattern I created,
which means I can recreate, Ican create something different.
It might take some effort, itmight take some undoing, might
take some time, but it is ahabitual thought pattern, and I
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can change it.
That's empowering to me.
I'm normal, there's nothingwrong with me.
I've been taught to think thisway, but I can change the way I
think.
SPEAKER_00 (34:04):
Yeah.
So things that I've used to helppeople with this are the stream
technique, which is I've foundto be a technique that releases
those layers.
Imagining that the anxiety,worry, stress is flowing out
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into the water.
And that is paired with a color,you know, if someone notices a
color coming out of their feetinto the water.
And then they check, okay, can Iactually feel the worry?
Can I feel the anxiety?
And sometimes, again, I've likeI said yesterday, these things
are there's like they're sneaky.
(34:45):
They they they'll move toanother part of the body.
But to me, in my mind, as ahypnosis, I'm thinking, okay,
well, that's just another layer,right?
They've released the one intheir in their chest, now it's
in their shoulder.
Okay, let's move that out aswell.
And each one is masking the oneunderneath, right?
Funnily enough, sometimes thecolors get darker, right?
(35:06):
As we get down to the thenucleus.
Right.
And and then they'll think aboutwhat they were worried about,
anxious about, and they won't beable to feel it any longer.
So that's that's uh energeticone that I use.
SPEAKER_03 (35:25):
If if emotions are meant to flow, then that's just
a beautiful metaphor, isn't it?
Water flows, you're in a stream,it carries away these emotions.
You know, I what I think aboutwhen you talk about that is how
people do this for themselves.
Yeah.
Right?
How do people take yourtechnique and do it for
themselves?
Well, the way most people do itis they watch cat videos.
SPEAKER_02 (35:48):
Yeah, right.
SPEAKER_03 (35:49):
Yeah.
What they do is they shift theirmind to something pleasant, they
occupy their thought cycles withsomething that makes them feel
good.
SPEAKER_02 (35:59):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (36:00):
That's a really human thing to do.
That's a huge that's aninsightfully human thing to do.
To say, I want to change mythought pattern here.
I want to think about somethingelse.
I want to think about somethingthat creates calming emotions
and that turns down mysympathetic nervous system.
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But to be more deliberate aboutit and be aware that I have
emotion inside me that's notgetting resolved, and I want to
release it.
And that act of releasing it,and this is why I like the
stream, it often, sometimes,people will come in with such
intense emotions that we have tolet go of them through the
stream so that we can come backand look at them.
SPEAKER_00 (36:43):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And the stream is, I mean, Idon't think you can ever do it
wrong, right?
But while you're watching orsensing that color is coming out
of your feet and toes, all youhave to do is just watch it.
Don't push it, don't wonder,just watch it.
And when the subconscious, thisis what I have found anyway,
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when your subconscious mind isdone with it, the stream just
goes clear.
And you don't have to wonderwhen it's gonna go clear or push
it to be clear or imagine itclear.
You just watch the color andthat's it, right?
It's like self-suggested likeright idea.
And then you check.
Check to see if if you can lockon to that anxiety any longer.
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If you can, that's all right.
Doesn't mean it didn't work, youjust move that portion out.
Chances are you'll find thatit's smaller, right?
Or it's moved, or it's aboutsomething else that comes up.
There's another one I want totalk about, another technique
that I use where you convincethe mind that whatever you're
(37:49):
worried about coming up in thefuture has already happened.
So how you do that is youimagine yourself, say, let's
take a let's take a party thatyou're going to and you're
worried about going to theparty, right?
People are there.
I haven't seen these people in along time.
You know, there's lots of thingsthat people worry about.
(38:10):
So let's imagine that the partyhas already happened and you're
now on the other side of theparty.
Maybe you're back home.
And what are the things, thegood things that happened to get
you there?
Right?
Bullet point list them.
Well, people were nice to me.
I felt comfortable.
The food was good, right?
(38:32):
I felt safe.
I'm using past tense words here,right?
So you are basically placing themind because your subconscious
mind doesn't know whether whatyou're thinking thinking about
is real or pretend, likeactually happening or not
happening.
You can place yourself in astate of, well, it actually went
(38:52):
pretty well.
And this is how it went well.
And you'd be amazed how peoplecan't then, when they think
about going to the party, theycan't lock on to that emotion,
that anxiety.
SPEAKER_03 (39:02):
Imagination and intention, such powerful tools
to form the intention thattoday's gonna be a great day.
I'm gonna accomplish a lot, I'mgonna meet some new people
today, I'm gonna have some newfriends today.
These kinds of intentions, theimagination.
You know, every hypnosis sessionincludes what we call, come to
(39:25):
call, I don't know if everyhypnotist calls it, future
pacing, which is just quiteliterally seeing the future
without the problem, seeing thefuture with the problem
resolved, seeing in this casethe future without the anxiety.
And so when you release, use thestream and release those
emotions, they become easier tomanage.
(39:46):
You can then take that time tolook and ask, what is it that
you're afraid of?
And then you can start to useyour intelligent mind, your
conscious mind to say, well, youknow, is that really going to
happen?
What are the chances of that?
And what would my response be?
And then you future paste thatout, seeing yourself at the
party, relaxed, meeting people,being happy.
(40:10):
Um uh people are allowed to saywhatever they want.
And it, you know, you embracethat idea that it's not about
me.
You see them living this partyin a really happy way, coming
from it with new friends andpeople being happy.
And all of that, because it'simagination, the subconscious
(40:31):
mind doesn't really know thedifference.
And the subconscious mind willplay that out because now that's
been practiced.
Now that can be repeated.
SPEAKER_02 (40:40):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (40:41):
And you can take whatever part of the party,
let's say, that's the problem,maybe it's walking in the door,
or maybe it's I'm gonna see thatperson, or these kinds of
things.
And you could practice that overand over, seeing it go well.
And all of that reduces in thesubconscious mind the fear of
the event itself.
SPEAKER_00 (41:00):
Yeah.
I think we all we mostly resortto it's gonna be fine, it's
gonna be okay, it's gonna befine, it's gonna be okay.
And that the subconscious minddoubles down at that point,
right?
SPEAKER_03 (41:13):
It's an argument.
SPEAKER_00 (41:14):
It it becomes an argument, yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (41:16):
With your subconscious mind.
SPEAKER_00 (41:17):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (41:17):
But if you see it, if you take it further, like
it's gonna be okay is a greatstart.
I am always safe, is a greatstart, but you gotta take that
further and see it, imagine itas going well, and put that
effort in that takes it furtherin the subconscious mind.
Because now the subconsciousmind's open to the possibility
(41:38):
that, oh, well, it could goreally well.
SPEAKER_00 (41:40):
Yeah, yeah.
So, yeah, that's just a snippetof anxiety.
SPEAKER_03 (41:46):
Because there's so many things, you know, anxiety
is a very personal thing becauseeverybody has their own
anxieties about their ownthings.
And everybody has their ownprogramming around things to be
afraid of.
And anxiety is just thatlow-grade fear that says
something could go wrong,something could go bad.
That thing I'm afraid of couldhappen.
(42:09):
And sometimes that's rationaland very helpful.
And, you know, sometimes whensomething looks like it could go
bad, it's it's a smart move toavoid it.
Yeah, that's a good resolutionof your fear, and sometimes it's
a misinterpretation of thepossibility of fear, a
misinterpretation of your ownability to deal with what you're
(42:31):
afraid of.
SPEAKER_02 (42:32):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (42:32):
And sometimes that can be released, and sometimes
that requires exam furtherexamination in the form of,
well, we typically useregression, yeah.
Going specifically back to theoriginal time that this emotion
kicked in and looking at how toreinterpret it.
(42:52):
But here's here's a simplereframe that you might find
helpful right now.
When we take somebody back inregression, we often, I often,
the technique I use when I'mregressing to a moment, usually
a moment where there's a child,the child version of you.
I bring your present-day selfwith you, right?
So your present-day self is nowthere beside the child version
(43:16):
of yourself that went throughthat experience.
So here's the thing, right?
The thing is that your adultself wouldn't be there if you
hadn't survived.
You actually survived it.
Your existence as your adultself is proof to your child self
that you have what it takes tosurvive this.
(43:37):
You have what it takes to getthrough this, you have
strategies and abilities to getpast it.
So always remind yourself thatmy very existence today is proof
that I'm pretty capable.
My very existence today is proofthat I'm pretty smart and that I
can navigate life.
My very existence today is proofof all of my abilities to get
(44:01):
past these kinds of andsometimes that that reframe can
be enough.
SPEAKER_00 (44:06):
Yeah, absolutely.
I've seen it be enough,especially in heavy, heavily
traumatic circumstances when youdon't think there's any reframe.
So I guess that's it for today.
Any more questions?
No, no questions.
Thanks for the chat.
All right, well, everyone have agood day, and we will see you
(44:28):
tomorrow.
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