March 29, 2025 • 39 mins
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This podcast episode dives into the feelings of shame and self-judgment that hold many back from making desired changes. The hosts explore how to transform mistakes into lessons, emphasizing the importance of trust, self-compassion, and the cyclical nature of these emotional experiences.
• Resistance to change rooted in past shame
• Importance of trust in relationship with self
• Habitual judgment's impact on personal growth
• Shifting perspective from mistakes to lessons
• Guilt does not motivate; embracing self-compassion matters
• Creating room for mistakes fosters resilience and growth
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
As hypnotists, we look into the past.
We start to notice patternsfrom childhood, we start to
notice what they went through.
They start to notice what theywent through and I think it's
compounded right.
(00:27):
You weren't born feeling shame.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Welcome to Coffee with Hilary and Les.
We are a couple of hypnotistswho have created a podcast about
freeing our minds from oldideas, old thoughts and old
habits, those old things thatinterfere with our ability to
make fresh new choices.
It's time for us all to createthe life of our dreams.
(00:52):
We're here been a while hotminute.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
That's what it's been .
A hot minute I don't even knowwhere that comes from I've just
heard it before what is a?
Hot minute.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Yeah, so it's been a while since we did this.
We've been thinking about whatwe want to do to make these
podcasts better, how much wewant to get feedback from those
of you who listen and find outwhat's helpful and maybe what's
not helpful, and it's caused usto be a little bit resistant, I
(01:36):
think, in terms of doing them,which means we've been gone for
a month.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
And it's mostly about you know.
I think I'll speak for me.
My resistance to doing them hasbeen really about am I doing
them right?
Am I doing the right thing?
Am I approaching them the rightway?
And then that led us to adiscussion this morning about
(02:06):
you know, what are the thingsthat cause us to resist doing
what we want to do, what we knowwe want to do?
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Yeah, for me the resistance was well, always a
little bit of resistance, onlybecause I it's just not on my
mind as much as I would like itto be sometimes, you know
thinking about topics andwhatnot.
But I was a little hesitantbecause I know we had spoken in
(02:38):
early December about just makingsome changes and sort of
refreshing the podcast a littlebit.
And then it's sort of like inmy mind, for some reason, if the
changes weren't implemented nowI didn't feel compelled to
making a podcast.
Um, so we're.
(03:00):
So we're still working on thechanges and looking to, yeah,
put a refreshing face on thepodcast.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
And that's what really brings us to now, to the
topic of now.
I mean, I think about thisstuff and so often I feel like
our podcasts are just us lettingyou know what kind of stuff
we're dealing with withinourselves.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Yeah right.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
And it's the new year , it's the beginning of
beginnings.
People want to begin and dothings differently and they
experience resistance, and thenI think there's a lot.
There's a lot of resistancefrom the I don't know how, but I
think that the reason I don'tknow how, as a self-statement
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becomes so paralyzing is becauseof the shame we feel of what we
perceive to be our failures ofthe past, and I think that the
(04:09):
resistance comes from an emotionof shame that stops us from
trying new things now, fromgoing after new things now.
It's that time of year, peopleare doing it, we're doing it
with the podcast, we're doing itwith our work, and all I could
think about was like, why aren'twe just diving into this?
(04:29):
Why haven't we just made abunch of podcasts?
We had such a rhythm going onthere for a while and we were
just loving it, and you know,we're not reaching the level of
success I suppose in terms oflisteners and feedback was.
A big part of our desire wasengagement with listeners,
having them reach out to us andhelp us give them what they need
(04:51):
.
But I guess yeah and I'm tryingnot to we just pause to turn on
the microphone, because I reallywant to build my energy up into
something positive because as Ithink about this, I think about
that vibration of shame, Ithink about that idea of shame.
We talked about it a bit theother night, watching some goofy
(05:11):
YouTube videos, and it seems tobe the appropriate topic.
I know that you want to belight-hearted and motivational
at the beginning of the year,but I, but I think our role is
not to, you know, pat you on theback and say way to go.
Our role is to help youunderstand what's going on
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inside you.
That's really normal becauseeverybody's going through it.
That's getting in the way ofyou having doing and being who
and what you want to be and wantto have and want to do right.
And I think that there's thishuge complex that I'm learning
(05:55):
inside myself of this thing thatI'll call shame.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
For now, yeah, yeah, and, as I was saying earlier, I
feel like, um, I feel like trustis entangled with shame as well
.
Right, trusting yourself, um,not being shameful about
yourself, to allow trust toflourish again.
(06:21):
Think of, I guess the biggestthing that comes to mind is
weight loss.
People want to hit the gymJanuary 1st, kind of thing, or
start eating differently, andwhat I see with clients a lot,
(06:48):
what I've experienced for myself, sometimes in different ways,
is this well, I've tried, I'vestarted and stopped this so many
times in my life.
Now, how can I trust that I'mgoing to continue or this is
going to be the time that itworks out?
And that breakdown of trust canlead to shame, can lead to
(07:11):
those feelings of shamingoneself because you're not
trustworthy or something in yourown.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Yeah, there's people out there trying to have a dry
January and they got to January3rd and said I need a beer.
And I have every bit ofsympathy for that, because we
really make decisions in themoment, we make choices in the
(07:40):
moment and those choices areoften driven by habit in the
moment, and those choices areoften driven by habit.
In fact, so little of our lifeis really deliberate.
Most of it is really quitehabitual.
And then we drop back intohabit.
We make a deliberate decisionthis is going to be dry January,
or this is going to be no sugarJanuary, or this is going to be
(08:01):
quit smoking January, or thisis going to be, you know, quit
whatever, quit biting my nailsJanuary.
We make these decisions andthen habitual things sort of
overtake us and we findourselves, you know, picking up
that beautiful chocolate cookieand putting it in our mouth
(08:23):
because we're not beingdeliberate, we're really quite.
We're being quite subconscious,unconscious in so many ways.
So for me it's like well, wheredoes that come from?
What is that about?
And why does a simple thinglike eating a chocolate cookie
suddenly become a matter ofshame, to the point where we
(08:44):
would give up on what we deepinside want to accomplish right,
and so that's the process Ireally I've spent a lot of time
thinking about for a couple ofweeks and I thought a lot about
over the last few days, and evenfor a couple hours this morning
, just trying to put the piecestogether what's going on in our
(09:05):
minds that gets us to the pointof shame.
And I guess my answer and Ithink that you know our point,
our reframe, our first reframefor today, is we need to make
room for mistakes, we need toallow ourselves to learn by
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experience, and learning byexperience absolutely requires
mistakes.
So then to me, the questionbecomes why does a simple
mistake, a simple error, becomean insurmountable wall of
(09:53):
self-judgment and shame?
And that, to me, is the mentalprocess I'd like us to break
down a little bit.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Well, I think it starts with why does one person
go through that and anotherperson doesn't, right?
So what, uh, if we start tobreak that down as we start to
notice what they went through,they start to notice what they
(10:32):
went through and I think it'scompounded.
You weren't born feeling shamethat we know of.
You weren't born feeling that.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
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(11:12):
It comes, you know it startswith little events that compound
on one another and start tocreate this shame cycle, and so
that when you're an adult, it'slike even just one little thing
(11:35):
feels like you're being broughtback to that shame cycle yeah,
and that's that's our work ashypnotists, as we find those
patterns in the mind that arebased in emotions, that cause us
to react unconsciously,subconsciously, that cause us to
behave and choose and to speakand to respond without thought
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and find ourselves saying whydid I do that, why did I say
that, why is it going that way?
And these are just.
I think the first thing tounderstand is that these are
well-honed patterns.
When you do something thatlater you say I wish I hadn't
done that, or I wish I hadn'tsaid that it happened because it
was totally subconscious, youare in such an an extreme
(12:23):
program, a habit of respondingthat way, that you couldn't stop
it yeah, because it needed tohappen quickly and that's what
happens to all of us.
That's like so normal.
It's wonderfully normal when itresults in something good,
right, when we, when we quicklygo to habit.
(12:47):
You know, let's use an exampleof I don't know something simple
like playing sport.
You're playing a sport you'redoing, you've got one of your
hobbies going on and you're sogood at your hobby, whatever it
is, that you can do thingswithout really even thinking
(13:08):
about them, right, yeah, andthat allows you to become really
good at things.
That's where your talents startto become really, really
ingrained is that theseresponses become completely
subconscious, below, below yourawareness.
They happen automatically.
So subconscious behaviors arereally the way we thrive in the
(13:33):
world.
They're the way we get good atstuff, the way we find ourselves
confident in ourself, that wecan handle situations, that we
can deal with certain things.
So turning things fromconscious, deliberate action to
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subconscious action is a reallyvaluable thing.
Unfortunately, it's also just atool that we use for everything
just a tool that we use foreverything, and so habits can
interfere with our deliberateliving, our intentional living.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Yeah, like I'm really good at putting back a bag of
chips right, that has becomeunconscious, subconscious.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Yeah, and you don't even you think about it for a
moment and then somehow you'resitting on the couch with the
baggage in your hands.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
That subconscious behavior, that habitual behavior
, it's not always helpful, thathabitual behavior, it's not
always helpful, and I think thatone of the things that becomes
really habitual is judgment,yeah.
So how do we go?
And this is sort of the paththat I put out here in front of
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me, because I see it as the paththat we all take.
Where do we go from an error ohI got that wrong, oh, I made a
mistake.
How do we go from error tomistake?
And how do we take mistake andsomehow turn that into failure?
And how do we take failure andsomehow turn that onto ourselves
(15:27):
, often with the help of others,our very, our true value, at
(15:51):
least as it relates to thesethings we're trying to do, we're
trying not to do mm-hmm like.
It brings me back, first of all, to the, to the big reframe.
I think it's one of the mostpowerful reframes we've we've
ever tripped on and shared, andit is huge for every client I
work with when we go over thisone, it really rocks them.
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I am not what I do, I am thedoer.
I am not what I do, I am theone doing it, and I've never
learned anything by doingsomething right.
In fact, doing it right isproof that I already learned it,
which now takes us from thisprocess of learning, which is
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making errors, making mistakesand learning from them.
We got this fork in the roadwhere we could take our error
and take a beautiful little leftturn back into trying again,
knowing that eventually we canlearn, knowing that we're we
(16:58):
learn stuff all the time, we'reso good at learning.
We could take that lovely leftturn and then just try again.
And you know, a great exampleof that is watching a little kid
with a video game.
You know, they die.
We've been playing video gamesjust to have, and I don't know
how many times we died andsplatted on the floor.
(17:19):
But the amazing thing was isthat we just went back and tried
again.
And we just went back and triedagain.
And we just went back and triedagain.
And there was never that pauseto say, oh, I can't do this, I'm
never going to learn how to dothis.
I'm not good enough.
I'm lousy at these games.
I'm just someone who doesn'tfit into the world.
I should just run and hide fromvideo games.
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I should just take this videogame machine and throw it away
because I'm awful at it.
We could take that right turn,that right turn that says I made
a mistake and there's somethingwrong with me and maybe I hurt
somebody and maybe I should feelguilty about that.
Maybe I'm guilty of doingsomething wrong, mistakes
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suddenly doing something wrong,mistakes suddenly become
something wrong, and when weturn them into something wrong
we naturally go to guilt.
And when there's guilt and weallow it to come into ourselves
as somehow an interpretation ofwho we are, when guilt starts to
become who we are, we embraceit as shame and our view of
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ourselves who we are, what weare, what we're capable of
changes dramatically.
So we could take that childishturn to the left that says let's
just try again.
But we get the habit of turningright, internalizing a simple
mistake into a confirmation of ajudgment that we've made about
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ourselves.
That results in us going deeplyinto this, this feeling of
shame, which is truly the lowestvibrational emotion you could
engage yeah, I, I, I think thatthis, these things stem from um.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
I mean, they can, they can stress, stem from so
many different places, but thething that, the example, that I
guess, I'll bring up because Ifeel like I connect with it a
little bit, is you know, as achild being told at some level
(19:49):
that you know, why do you keepdoing that?
You can't do things right?
Why do you keep messing that up?
Or why can't you get this, whycan't you understand this?
You didn't do that right.
(20:12):
Those words really start to sinkin and then you grow up and
this, you know, happened to megrowing up it happened to me in
(20:34):
across my lifetime is that youwant to, you start, you start,
you start people-pleasing, youstart trying to get ahead of
what they're thinking.
But the biggest thing and Iknow a lot of people can
(20:55):
probably resonate with this isthat when you do something right
or you're judging it as right,it's not noticed, and when you
do something wrong or judged aswrong, it's like you're back at
square one.
It's like you haven't made anychange in your life and you're
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made to feel this shame or youstart to put guilt and shame on
yourself.
Why can't I do this right?
Why can't I do this right andum, so you might feel like
you're ahead in life.
You've, you've made strides todo things right.
(21:40):
Again, judgment, your ownjudgment of what's right and
wrong, um, but the people inyour life don't see that change,
or they're they're not evenlooking for the change or the
change.
You know, as we know, inhypnosis, when we change, it can
feel very normal and they'revery natural.
It's a natural state to be in.
(22:01):
You only notice when there'shuge contrast.
Um, so what?
Yeah, what not to um, you know,beat a dead horse here or
anything but like just the, theidea that you keep sort of
slipping back to square one andthen beating yourself up for it.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Yeah, to see that in yourself.
I think a huge idea to embraceis that thoughts are habits and
the reason that we go back tothat habit of self-criticism and
self-judgment is that it's ahabit, and it's a habit that
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we've learned, we've come, it'scome to us honestly.
Um, let's step back and look atthe idea that others who were
teaching us, others who werewanting the best for us, have
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somehow in their minds seencriticism and correction as
necessary or even unfortunatelyhelpful necessary or even
unfortunately helpful.
But certainly the real problemis that a lot of what we
received as criticism aschildren was a parent who wanted
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the best for you and somehowthought that criticizing you and
telling you what you did wrongwas going to help you and make
you better and make your lifebetter, and it's what they
received.
And so they just are reliving,like you say, that bad recipe,
(24:02):
that bad script that was handedto them, reliving, like you say,
that bad recipe, that badscript that was handed to them.
We can look at how this hasbecome a habit in ourselves, in
part because we were encouragedto be critical, to be
self-critical and to be,unfortunately, self-judgmental,
and that's the habit.
Now it becomes the go-toresponse I made a mistake.
(24:26):
I'm a stupid goof, right.
I made a mistake.
What an idiot I am.
You know my favorite from.
For years and years and yearsI'd say this to myself, and now
I don't.
Very often, I don't you know, Iwould say less, you dickhead,
right?
That would be the way I talk tomyself, silently inside my head
.
I expect more from me, I don'texpect me to make that kind of
(24:50):
mistake.
And there you are, making thatkind of mistake, and it became
habitual.
Those words came out over andover so often, so completely
immediately after every mistake,that I started to recognize in
myself this growing paralysis ofnot wanting to do anything, not
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wanting to try anything,because I had no room for
mistakes, for mistakes, mistakesimmediately moved to judgment,
and then I took that on as partof who?
Speaker 1 (25:34):
I was.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
And that became a habitual thought pattern and I
really think that that's reallynormal.
I really think that most of uscan relate to that process of
becoming self-critical,self-judgmental, and see how
that evolves into almost aconstant downward pressure of
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shame.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Yeah, it becomes this cycle.
Pressure of shame yeah, itbecomes this cycle.
And when we were watchingYouTube the other night about
shame and I won't mention, Idon't even know the channel
actually to even mention it if Iwanted to, but I noticed this
clip on YouTube of somebodysaying that guilt is needed to
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make a new choice, and I almostdied.
I was like I couldn't believethat they said it and apparently
it was a psychiatrist orsomething, and that's something
that in hypnosis um, at least Ican speak for myself, I, I, I
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work with directly right away.
Um, if someone is in a guiltcycle, shame cycle, and we'll
get into how they differ, butthat can be.
That is meant to be broken,right?
(27:12):
You do not need guilt or shameto have you make a new choice, a
better choice, a better choice,in fact, guilt.
Let's imagine somebody who hasan addiction to something and
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they go into the night, whetherit's food, alcohol, smoking,
whatever, they go into the nightand they, they binge, and then
they feel this little inkling ofguilt afterwards and that guilt
you wake up with the next dayand it sits with you, sits with
you all day, and as we, I don't,I'm not sure where you got it
from.
But we like to say guiltdemands punishment.
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And so what do you do the nextnight?
You end up punishing yourselffor doing what you did the night
before, and it just becomesthis cycle.
I've seen time and time againwhen we break that cycle, it
gives you the breathing room tomake a new choice and to not
feel bad about it.
You might have a binge night,but you're not beating yourself
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up for it.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
And that, to me, is I agree with you completely.
We are led to believe thatsomehow guilt has value and it
doesn't.
The value is in recognizing theerror and I like that word the
best.
Really, I don't even like theword mistake anymore.
And if we can go even betterand not use the word error or
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mistake and use the word lesson,right, if we can keep it to
that learning purpose, like alittle kid does who keeps dying
in that video game but keepspopping back to life and trying
again because they're gonnafigure it out, I'm gonna figure
this out.
If we can just turn the thingswe do that don't work out the
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lessons, the errors, themistakes, and Not take that step
into guilt.
Yeah, guilt is that first stepthat says this thing that I did
is who I am, this thing that Idid makes me bad, this thing
that I did that didn't work out,that I made a mistake, that I
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made an error, that somehow itdidn't happen the way I wanted
to.
Instead of taking the time thatleft turn that says I'm going
to learn the lesson here, I'mgoing to get better at this, the
time that left turn that saysI'm going to learn the lesson
here, I'm going to get better atthis, we take that right turn
to there's something wrong withme.
I'm bad and we think that bytelling ourselves that it's
going to motivate us to makechange.
But it doesn't.
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It's so important to understandthat criticism never motivates.
Criticism doesn't motivate.
I learned this years ago.
It's the most beautiful thingI've ever.
I've ever learned when it comesto interacting with others on a
teaching level.
A good teacher does notcriticize.
A good teacher does not pointout the mistake.
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A good teacher just suggestssuggests what to do instead.
The perfect words out of thegreatest teacher are try this.
It's that simple.
I don't need to tell you whatyou did wrong.
I don't need to tell you howyou keep making the same mistake
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.
I don't need to tell you thatyour technique is bad.
What I need to tell you is trythis.
This is the thing that mighthelp.
That's a great teacher, that'sa great parent.
Right, allowing making room formistakes, and that might be our
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next beautiful reframe.
Right is I make room formistakes.
I make room for the lesson.
When I make a mistake, I makeroom for mistakes.
I make room for the lesson.
When I make a mistake, I makeroom for the lesson.
And to allow yourself to makeroom for the lesson so that you
make that left turn into tryingagain instead of the right turn
into self-judgment.
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We've got to make room to allowfor mistakes, because that's
the only way we grow.
It's the only way we develop.
Judgment is that unnecessarynext step?
I can be aware of the mistake.
I can be aware of the error.
I can even get help on what Ishould do instead.
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I can practice doing somethingdifferent.
But if I'm busy thinking aboutthe mistake and turning that
into guilt, I've done somethingwrong and let that guilt be
taken on personally, as I am.
Bad becomes shame right.
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This is the magic of the moment.
The magic of the moment lies inwhen I make the mistake.
Do I learn the lesson, focus onthe lesson, or do I let it mean
something about me and that'sthe wrong turn, I guess and
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that's the wrong turn.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
I guess something came up because I, I, I, I
resonate with it, and I don'tknow if I should be explaining
things about myself on here, butI think it's important because
I think that probably a lot ofpeople can resonate with it as
well is so as a child, Icompletely I don't know remember
(32:58):
the exact events, but I knowthat something along these lines
happened and I drug it into my,I dragged it into my future,
and so I still feel like thissometimes is when I think I've
(33:25):
done something bad, have to, um,I'm not allowed to feel happy,
I have to punish myself, right?
So, um, um, you know, fromchildhood, I I don't know
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exactly, I know I can feel it, Iknow probably if I did
regression on it I'd find it,but I know the words, they're
coming to me something along thelines of what do you think
you're doing?
You just did that bad thing,right?
Maybe I started laughing again,or maybe I started playing, or
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you know, as a child, and so youknow, go to your room and think
about what you did and thatallowed for this, beating myself
up over and over and over againand making myself accountable
(34:33):
for what I did, and now it'smessy in my adult life because
the smallest things can make mefeel that way.
Right, that I need to holdmyself accountable, I need to
beat myself up, I need to um, Ican't be happy until the other
person is happy again.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
Yeah, that subconscious habit of the way we
deal with things.
The same way over and over, andthen we have to find a way to
break from them yeah them.
Yeah, and that's unfortunately,you know, really normal, right?
(35:13):
There's nothing wrong with you,there's nothing wrong with me,
there's nothing wrong withanybody listening.
It's just that, unfortunately,thoughts become habits and they
become habitual and our way ofdealing with our mistakes, our
lessons, becomes thatunnecessary next step of
judgment.
You know to go from that andyou use the words perfectly.
(35:33):
You know I made a mistake andthen I did something bad.
We go from taking an error andlabeling it, judging it right,
judging it as bad, and when we,I think there's a lot of value
in words and I think there's alot of value in realizing that
there are certain words that arejudgment words and that if
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you're using them, it's becauseyou've turned to a habit of
judgment.
And judgment just never leadsto anything good.
It only builds walls betweenpeople, it only builds walls
around us when we impose it onourselves.
Self-judgment, right Judgment isan unnecessary next step.
(36:19):
You know, shakespeare saidnothing's ever good or bad, but
thinking makes it so, and Ithink that's huge.
Let that be another reframe forthe day.
Nothing's ever good or bad, butthinking makes it so, and I
think that's huge.
Let that be another reframe forthe day.
Nothing's ever good or bad, butthinking makes it so, and it's
the way you think about thingsdetermines whether they're good
or they're bad, whether you makethe judgment or you take that
(36:40):
wonderful left turn back intotrying again, right.
Okay, that one didn't work out,let's try something different
this time, right?
I think that as you approachyour new year and your new self
and your new goals and desiresand the things you want to do
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differently than you've done inthe past, differently than
you've done in the past, youfirst have to be soft with
yourself and say I've got a lotof habits, and habits aren't
easy to just overcome.
I've got to be very consciousand very deliberate.
And I'm going to try to be moreconscious and deliberate.
And then say to yourself I'mnot what I do.
I'm the doer and I can trydifferent things.
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I'm the doer and I can trydifferent things.
And then you can step back fromthat and you can say I'm not
going to judge myself.
This is a lesson, not a mistake.
Embrace the lesson and then tryagain.
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Just try again and don't worryabout it, like all you got is
right now, that's, all thatexists is right now.
So right now I'm going to tryagain, just like the kid playing
a game trying to figure it out.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
Yeah, that's multi-layeredered that's for
sure and very well ingrained,very habitual mm-hmm.
We pass it along.
So maybe, yeah, maybe, you canmake a promise to yourself.
I'm gonna make a promise tomyself right now.
I'm going to try to be morecomplimentary than critical.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
Me too.
Yeah, all right, I've got to domy all right, all right, we
will.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
Pick this up tomorrow .
Speaker 1 (38:48):
Yes, yes, okay, have a good day.
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even a little.
If you have any questions, wewould love you to send them
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For more information abouthypnosis and the various online
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Talk to you tomorrow.
As hypnotists, we look into the past.
We start to notice patternsfrom childhood, we start to
notice what they went through.
They start to notice what theywent through and I think it's
compounded right.
(00:27):
You weren't born feeling shame.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Welcome to Coffee with Hilary and Les.
We are a couple of hypnotistswho have created a podcast about
freeing our minds from oldideas, old thoughts and old
habits, those old things thatinterfere with our ability to
make fresh new choices.
It's time for us all to createthe life of our dreams.
(00:52):
We're here been a while hotminute.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
That's what it's been .
A hot minute I don't even knowwhere that comes from I've just
heard it before what is a?
Hot minute.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Yeah, so it's been a while since we did this.
We've been thinking about whatwe want to do to make these
podcasts better, how much wewant to get feedback from those
of you who listen and find outwhat's helpful and maybe what's
not helpful, and it's caused usto be a little bit resistant, I
(01:36):
think, in terms of doing them,which means we've been gone for
a month.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
And it's mostly about you know.
I think I'll speak for me.
My resistance to doing them hasbeen really about am I doing
them right?
Am I doing the right thing?
Am I approaching them the rightway?
And then that led us to adiscussion this morning about
(02:06):
you know, what are the thingsthat cause us to resist doing
what we want to do, what we knowwe want to do?
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Yeah, for me the resistance was well, always a
little bit of resistance, onlybecause I it's just not on my
mind as much as I would like itto be sometimes, you know
thinking about topics andwhatnot.
But I was a little hesitantbecause I know we had spoken in
(02:38):
early December about just makingsome changes and sort of
refreshing the podcast a littlebit.
And then it's sort of like inmy mind, for some reason, if the
changes weren't implemented nowI didn't feel compelled to
making a podcast.
Um, so we're.
(03:00):
So we're still working on thechanges and looking to, yeah,
put a refreshing face on thepodcast.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
And that's what really brings us to now, to the
topic of now.
I mean, I think about thisstuff and so often I feel like
our podcasts are just us lettingyou know what kind of stuff
we're dealing with withinourselves.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Yeah right.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
And it's the new year , it's the beginning of
beginnings.
People want to begin and dothings differently and they
experience resistance, and thenI think there's a lot.
There's a lot of resistancefrom the I don't know how, but I
think that the reason I don'tknow how, as a self-statement
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becomes so paralyzing is becauseof the shame we feel of what we
perceive to be our failures ofthe past, and I think that the
(04:09):
resistance comes from an emotionof shame that stops us from
trying new things now, fromgoing after new things now.
It's that time of year, peopleare doing it, we're doing it
with the podcast, we're doing itwith our work, and all I could
think about was like, why aren'twe just diving into this?
(04:29):
Why haven't we just made abunch of podcasts?
We had such a rhythm going onthere for a while and we were
just loving it, and you know,we're not reaching the level of
success I suppose in terms oflisteners and feedback was.
A big part of our desire wasengagement with listeners,
having them reach out to us andhelp us give them what they need
(04:51):
.
But I guess yeah and I'm tryingnot to we just pause to turn on
the microphone, because I reallywant to build my energy up into
something positive because as Ithink about this, I think about
that vibration of shame, Ithink about that idea of shame.
We talked about it a bit theother night, watching some goofy
(05:11):
YouTube videos, and it seems tobe the appropriate topic.
I know that you want to belight-hearted and motivational
at the beginning of the year,but I, but I think our role is
not to, you know, pat you on theback and say way to go.
Our role is to help youunderstand what's going on
(05:31):
inside you.
That's really normal becauseeverybody's going through it.
That's getting in the way ofyou having doing and being who
and what you want to be and wantto have and want to do right.
And I think that there's thishuge complex that I'm learning
(05:55):
inside myself of this thing thatI'll call shame.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
For now, yeah, yeah, and, as I was saying earlier, I
feel like, um, I feel like trustis entangled with shame as well
.
Right, trusting yourself, um,not being shameful about
yourself, to allow trust toflourish again.
(06:21):
Think of, I guess the biggestthing that comes to mind is
weight loss.
People want to hit the gymJanuary 1st, kind of thing, or
start eating differently, andwhat I see with clients a lot,
(06:48):
what I've experienced for myself, sometimes in different ways,
is this well, I've tried, I'vestarted and stopped this so many
times in my life.
Now, how can I trust that I'mgoing to continue or this is
going to be the time that itworks out?
And that breakdown of trust canlead to shame, can lead to
(07:11):
those feelings of shamingoneself because you're not
trustworthy or something in yourown.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Yeah, there's people out there trying to have a dry
January and they got to January3rd and said I need a beer.
And I have every bit ofsympathy for that, because we
really make decisions in themoment, we make choices in the
(07:40):
moment and those choices areoften driven by habit in the
moment, and those choices areoften driven by habit.
In fact, so little of our lifeis really deliberate.
Most of it is really quitehabitual.
And then we drop back intohabit.
We make a deliberate decisionthis is going to be dry January,
or this is going to be no sugarJanuary, or this is going to be
(08:01):
quit smoking January, or thisis going to be, you know, quit
whatever, quit biting my nailsJanuary.
We make these decisions andthen habitual things sort of
overtake us and we findourselves, you know, picking up
that beautiful chocolate cookieand putting it in our mouth
(08:23):
because we're not beingdeliberate, we're really quite.
We're being quite subconscious,unconscious in so many ways.
So for me it's like well, wheredoes that come from?
What is that about?
And why does a simple thinglike eating a chocolate cookie
suddenly become a matter ofshame, to the point where we
(08:44):
would give up on what we deepinside want to accomplish right,
and so that's the process Ireally I've spent a lot of time
thinking about for a couple ofweeks and I thought a lot about
over the last few days, and evenfor a couple hours this morning
, just trying to put the piecestogether what's going on in our
(09:05):
minds that gets us to the pointof shame.
And I guess my answer and Ithink that you know our point,
our reframe, our first reframefor today, is we need to make
room for mistakes, we need toallow ourselves to learn by
(09:33):
experience, and learning byexperience absolutely requires
mistakes.
So then to me, the questionbecomes why does a simple
mistake, a simple error, becomean insurmountable wall of
(09:53):
self-judgment and shame?
And that, to me, is the mentalprocess I'd like us to break
down a little bit.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Well, I think it starts with why does one person
go through that and anotherperson doesn't, right?
So what, uh, if we start tobreak that down as we start to
notice what they went through,they start to notice what they
(10:32):
went through and I think it'scompounded.
You weren't born feeling shamethat we know of.
You weren't born feeling that.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
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(11:12):
It comes, you know it startswith little events that compound
on one another and start tocreate this shame cycle, and so
that when you're an adult, it'slike even just one little thing
(11:35):
feels like you're being broughtback to that shame cycle yeah,
and that's that's our work ashypnotists, as we find those
patterns in the mind that arebased in emotions, that cause us
to react unconsciously,subconsciously, that cause us to
behave and choose and to speakand to respond without thought
(11:59):
and find ourselves saying whydid I do that, why did I say
that, why is it going that way?
And these are just.
I think the first thing tounderstand is that these are
well-honed patterns.
When you do something thatlater you say I wish I hadn't
done that, or I wish I hadn'tsaid that it happened because it
was totally subconscious, youare in such an an extreme
(12:23):
program, a habit of respondingthat way, that you couldn't stop
it yeah, because it needed tohappen quickly and that's what
happens to all of us.
That's like so normal.
It's wonderfully normal when itresults in something good,
right, when we, when we quicklygo to habit.
(12:47):
You know, let's use an exampleof I don't know something simple
like playing sport.
You're playing a sport you'redoing, you've got one of your
hobbies going on and you're sogood at your hobby, whatever it
is, that you can do thingswithout really even thinking
(13:08):
about them, right, yeah, andthat allows you to become really
good at things.
That's where your talents startto become really, really
ingrained is that theseresponses become completely
subconscious, below, below yourawareness.
They happen automatically.
So subconscious behaviors arereally the way we thrive in the
(13:33):
world.
They're the way we get good atstuff, the way we find ourselves
confident in ourself, that wecan handle situations, that we
can deal with certain things.
So turning things fromconscious, deliberate action to
(13:53):
subconscious action is a reallyvaluable thing.
Unfortunately, it's also just atool that we use for everything
just a tool that we use foreverything, and so habits can
interfere with our deliberateliving, our intentional living.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Yeah, like I'm really good at putting back a bag of
chips right, that has becomeunconscious, subconscious.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Yeah, and you don't even you think about it for a
moment and then somehow you'resitting on the couch with the
baggage in your hands.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
That subconscious behavior, that habitual behavior
, it's not always helpful, thathabitual behavior, it's not
always helpful, and I think thatone of the things that becomes
really habitual is judgment,yeah.
So how do we go?
And this is sort of the paththat I put out here in front of
(15:03):
me, because I see it as the paththat we all take.
Where do we go from an error ohI got that wrong, oh, I made a
mistake.
How do we go from error tomistake?
And how do we take mistake andsomehow turn that into failure?
And how do we take failure andsomehow turn that onto ourselves
(15:27):
, often with the help of others,our very, our true value, at
(15:51):
least as it relates to thesethings we're trying to do, we're
trying not to do mm-hmm like.
It brings me back, first of all, to the, to the big reframe.
I think it's one of the mostpowerful reframes we've we've
ever tripped on and shared, andit is huge for every client I
work with when we go over thisone, it really rocks them.
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I am not what I do, I am thedoer.
I am not what I do, I am theone doing it, and I've never
learned anything by doingsomething right.
In fact, doing it right isproof that I already learned it,
which now takes us from thisprocess of learning, which is
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making errors, making mistakesand learning from them.
We got this fork in the roadwhere we could take our error
and take a beautiful little leftturn back into trying again,
knowing that eventually we canlearn, knowing that we're we
(16:58):
learn stuff all the time, we'reso good at learning.
We could take that lovely leftturn and then just try again.
And you know, a great exampleof that is watching a little kid
with a video game.
You know, they die.
We've been playing video gamesjust to have, and I don't know
how many times we died andsplatted on the floor.
(17:19):
But the amazing thing was isthat we just went back and tried
again.
And we just went back and triedagain.
And we just went back and triedagain.
And there was never that pauseto say, oh, I can't do this, I'm
never going to learn how to dothis.
I'm not good enough.
I'm lousy at these games.
I'm just someone who doesn'tfit into the world.
I should just run and hide fromvideo games.
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I should just take this videogame machine and throw it away
because I'm awful at it.
We could take that right turn,that right turn that says I made
a mistake and there's somethingwrong with me and maybe I hurt
somebody and maybe I should feelguilty about that.
Maybe I'm guilty of doingsomething wrong, mistakes
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suddenly doing something wrong,mistakes suddenly become
something wrong, and when weturn them into something wrong
we naturally go to guilt.
And when there's guilt and weallow it to come into ourselves
as somehow an interpretation ofwho we are, when guilt starts to
become who we are, we embraceit as shame and our view of
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ourselves who we are, what weare, what we're capable of
changes dramatically.
So we could take that childishturn to the left that says let's
just try again.
But we get the habit of turningright, internalizing a simple
mistake into a confirmation of ajudgment that we've made about
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ourselves.
That results in us going deeplyinto this, this feeling of
shame, which is truly the lowestvibrational emotion you could
engage yeah, I, I, I think thatthis, these things stem from um.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
I mean, they can, they can stress, stem from so
many different places, but thething that, the example, that I
guess, I'll bring up because Ifeel like I connect with it a
little bit, is you know, as achild being told at some level
(19:49):
that you know, why do you keepdoing that?
You can't do things right?
Why do you keep messing that up?
Or why can't you get this, whycan't you understand this?
You didn't do that right.
(20:12):
Those words really start to sinkin and then you grow up and
this, you know, happened to megrowing up it happened to me in
(20:34):
across my lifetime is that youwant to, you start, you start,
you start people-pleasing, youstart trying to get ahead of
what they're thinking.
But the biggest thing and Iknow a lot of people can
(20:55):
probably resonate with this isthat when you do something right
or you're judging it as right,it's not noticed, and when you
do something wrong or judged aswrong, it's like you're back at
square one.
It's like you haven't made anychange in your life and you're
(21:19):
made to feel this shame or youstart to put guilt and shame on
yourself.
Why can't I do this right?
Why can't I do this right andum, so you might feel like
you're ahead in life.
You've, you've made strides todo things right.
(21:40):
Again, judgment, your ownjudgment of what's right and
wrong, um, but the people inyour life don't see that change,
or they're they're not evenlooking for the change or the
change.
You know, as we know, inhypnosis, when we change, it can
feel very normal and they'revery natural.
It's a natural state to be in.
(22:01):
You only notice when there'shuge contrast.
Um, so what?
Yeah, what not to um, you know,beat a dead horse here or
anything but like just the, theidea that you keep sort of
slipping back to square one andthen beating yourself up for it.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Yeah, to see that in yourself.
I think a huge idea to embraceis that thoughts are habits and
the reason that we go back tothat habit of self-criticism and
self-judgment is that it's ahabit, and it's a habit that
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we've learned, we've come, it'scome to us honestly.
Um, let's step back and look atthe idea that others who were
teaching us, others who werewanting the best for us, have
(23:10):
somehow in their minds seencriticism and correction as
necessary or even unfortunatelyhelpful necessary or even
unfortunately helpful.
But certainly the real problemis that a lot of what we
received as criticism aschildren was a parent who wanted
(23:37):
the best for you and somehowthought that criticizing you and
telling you what you did wrongwas going to help you and make
you better and make your lifebetter, and it's what they
received.
And so they just are reliving,like you say, that bad recipe,
(24:02):
that bad script that was handedto them, reliving, like you say,
that bad recipe, that badscript that was handed to them.
We can look at how this hasbecome a habit in ourselves, in
part because we were encouragedto be critical, to be
self-critical and to be,unfortunately, self-judgmental,
and that's the habit.
Now it becomes the go-toresponse I made a mistake.
(24:26):
I'm a stupid goof, right.
I made a mistake.
What an idiot I am.
You know my favorite from.
For years and years and yearsI'd say this to myself, and now
I don't.
Very often, I don't you know, Iwould say less, you dickhead,
right?
That would be the way I talk tomyself, silently inside my head
.
I expect more from me, I don'texpect me to make that kind of
(24:50):
mistake.
And there you are, making thatkind of mistake, and it became
habitual.
Those words came out over andover so often, so completely
immediately after every mistake,that I started to recognize in
myself this growing paralysis ofnot wanting to do anything, not
(25:15):
wanting to try anything,because I had no room for
mistakes, for mistakes, mistakesimmediately moved to judgment,
and then I took that on as partof who?
Speaker 1 (25:34):
I was.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
And that became a habitual thought pattern and I
really think that that's reallynormal.
I really think that most of uscan relate to that process of
becoming self-critical,self-judgmental, and see how
that evolves into almost aconstant downward pressure of
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shame.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Yeah, it becomes this cycle.
Pressure of shame yeah, itbecomes this cycle.
And when we were watchingYouTube the other night about
shame and I won't mention, Idon't even know the channel
actually to even mention it if Iwanted to, but I noticed this
clip on YouTube of somebodysaying that guilt is needed to
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make a new choice, and I almostdied.
I was like I couldn't believethat they said it and apparently
it was a psychiatrist orsomething, and that's something
that in hypnosis um, at least Ican speak for myself, I, I, I
(26:50):
work with directly right away.
Um, if someone is in a guiltcycle, shame cycle, and we'll
get into how they differ, butthat can be.
That is meant to be broken,right?
(27:12):
You do not need guilt or shameto have you make a new choice, a
better choice, a better choice,in fact, guilt.
Let's imagine somebody who hasan addiction to something and
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they go into the night, whetherit's food, alcohol, smoking,
whatever, they go into the nightand they, they binge, and then
they feel this little inkling ofguilt afterwards and that guilt
you wake up with the next dayand it sits with you, sits with
you all day, and as we, I don't,I'm not sure where you got it
from.
But we like to say guiltdemands punishment.
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And so what do you do the nextnight?
You end up punishing yourselffor doing what you did the night
before, and it just becomesthis cycle.
I've seen time and time againwhen we break that cycle, it
gives you the breathing room tomake a new choice and to not
feel bad about it.
You might have a binge night,but you're not beating yourself
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up for it.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
And that, to me, is I agree with you completely.
We are led to believe thatsomehow guilt has value and it
doesn't.
The value is in recognizing theerror and I like that word the
best.
Really, I don't even like theword mistake anymore.
And if we can go even betterand not use the word error or
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mistake and use the word lesson,right, if we can keep it to
that learning purpose, like alittle kid does who keeps dying
in that video game but keepspopping back to life and trying
again because they're gonnafigure it out, I'm gonna figure
this out.
If we can just turn the thingswe do that don't work out the
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lessons, the errors, themistakes, and Not take that step
into guilt.
Yeah, guilt is that first stepthat says this thing that I did
is who I am, this thing that Idid makes me bad, this thing
that I did that didn't work out,that I made a mistake, that I
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made an error, that somehow itdidn't happen the way I wanted
to.
Instead of taking the time thatleft turn that says I'm going
to learn the lesson here, I'mgoing to get better at this, the
time that left turn that saysI'm going to learn the lesson
here, I'm going to get better atthis, we take that right turn
to there's something wrong withme.
I'm bad and we think that bytelling ourselves that it's
going to motivate us to makechange.
But it doesn't.
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It's so important to understandthat criticism never motivates.
Criticism doesn't motivate.
I learned this years ago.
It's the most beautiful thingI've ever.
I've ever learned when it comesto interacting with others on a
teaching level.
A good teacher does notcriticize.
A good teacher does not pointout the mistake.
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A good teacher just suggestssuggests what to do instead.
The perfect words out of thegreatest teacher are try this.
It's that simple.
I don't need to tell you whatyou did wrong.
I don't need to tell you howyou keep making the same mistake
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.
I don't need to tell you thatyour technique is bad.
What I need to tell you is trythis.
This is the thing that mighthelp.
That's a great teacher, that'sa great parent.
Right, allowing making room formistakes, and that might be our
(31:00):
next beautiful reframe.
Right is I make room formistakes.
I make room for the lesson.
When I make a mistake, I makeroom for mistakes.
I make room for the lesson.
When I make a mistake, I makeroom for the lesson.
And to allow yourself to makeroom for the lesson so that you
make that left turn into tryingagain instead of the right turn
into self-judgment.
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We've got to make room to allowfor mistakes, because that's
the only way we grow.
It's the only way we develop.
Judgment is that unnecessarynext step?
I can be aware of the mistake.
I can be aware of the error.
I can even get help on what Ishould do instead.
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I can practice doing somethingdifferent.
But if I'm busy thinking aboutthe mistake and turning that
into guilt, I've done somethingwrong and let that guilt be
taken on personally, as I am.
Bad becomes shame right.
(32:06):
This is the magic of the moment.
The magic of the moment lies inwhen I make the mistake.
Do I learn the lesson, focus onthe lesson, or do I let it mean
something about me and that'sthe wrong turn, I guess and
(32:36):
that's the wrong turn.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
I guess something came up because I, I, I, I
resonate with it, and I don'tknow if I should be explaining
things about myself on here, butI think it's important because
I think that probably a lot ofpeople can resonate with it as
well is so as a child, Icompletely I don't know remember
(32:58):
the exact events, but I knowthat something along these lines
happened and I drug it into my,I dragged it into my future,
and so I still feel like thissometimes is when I think I've
(33:25):
done something bad, have to, um,I'm not allowed to feel happy,
I have to punish myself, right?
So, um, um, you know, fromchildhood, I I don't know
(33:46):
exactly, I know I can feel it, Iknow probably if I did
regression on it I'd find it,but I know the words, they're
coming to me something along thelines of what do you think
you're doing?
You just did that bad thing,right?
Maybe I started laughing again,or maybe I started playing, or
(34:11):
you know, as a child, and so youknow, go to your room and think
about what you did and thatallowed for this, beating myself
up over and over and over againand making myself accountable
(34:33):
for what I did, and now it'smessy in my adult life because
the smallest things can make mefeel that way.
Right, that I need to holdmyself accountable, I need to
beat myself up, I need to um, Ican't be happy until the other
person is happy again.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
Yeah, that subconscious habit of the way we
deal with things.
The same way over and over, andthen we have to find a way to
break from them yeah them.
Yeah, and that's unfortunately,you know, really normal, right?
(35:13):
There's nothing wrong with you,there's nothing wrong with me,
there's nothing wrong withanybody listening.
It's just that, unfortunately,thoughts become habits and they
become habitual and our way ofdealing with our mistakes, our
lessons, becomes thatunnecessary next step of
judgment.
You know to go from that andyou use the words perfectly.
(35:33):
You know I made a mistake andthen I did something bad.
We go from taking an error andlabeling it, judging it right,
judging it as bad, and when we,I think there's a lot of value
in words and I think there's alot of value in realizing that
there are certain words that arejudgment words and that if
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you're using them, it's becauseyou've turned to a habit of
judgment.
And judgment just never leadsto anything good.
It only builds walls betweenpeople, it only builds walls
around us when we impose it onourselves.
Self-judgment, right Judgment isan unnecessary next step.
(36:19):
You know, shakespeare saidnothing's ever good or bad, but
thinking makes it so, and Ithink that's huge.
Let that be another reframe forthe day.
Nothing's ever good or bad, butthinking makes it so, and I
think that's huge.
Let that be another reframe forthe day.
Nothing's ever good or bad, butthinking makes it so, and it's
the way you think about thingsdetermines whether they're good
or they're bad, whether you makethe judgment or you take that
(36:40):
wonderful left turn back intotrying again, right.
Okay, that one didn't work out,let's try something different
this time, right?
I think that as you approachyour new year and your new self
and your new goals and desiresand the things you want to do
(37:02):
differently than you've done inthe past, differently than
you've done in the past, youfirst have to be soft with
yourself and say I've got a lotof habits, and habits aren't
easy to just overcome.
I've got to be very consciousand very deliberate.
And I'm going to try to be moreconscious and deliberate.
And then say to yourself I'mnot what I do.
I'm the doer and I can trydifferent things.
(37:26):
I'm the doer and I can trydifferent things.
And then you can step back fromthat and you can say I'm not
going to judge myself.
This is a lesson, not a mistake.
Embrace the lesson and then tryagain.
(37:48):
Just try again and don't worryabout it, like all you got is
right now, that's, all thatexists is right now.
So right now I'm going to tryagain, just like the kid playing
a game trying to figure it out.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
Yeah, that's multi-layeredered that's for
sure and very well ingrained,very habitual mm-hmm.
We pass it along.
So maybe, yeah, maybe, you canmake a promise to yourself.
I'm gonna make a promise tomyself right now.
I'm going to try to be morecomplimentary than critical.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
Me too.
Yeah, all right, I've got to domy all right, all right, we
will.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
Pick this up tomorrow .
Speaker 1 (38:48):
Yes, yes, okay, have a good day.
We hope you enjoyed today'spodcast and that maybe it helped
even a little.
If you have any questions, wewould love you to send them
along in an email to info atpsalmhypnosiscom.
Thank you for being part of theState of Mind community.
For more information abouthypnosis and the various online
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or in-person services we provide, please visit our website,
wwwsomhypnosiscom.
The link will be in the notesbelow.
While you are there, why don'tyou book a free one-hour journey
, meeting with Hilary or Les, tolearn more about what hypnosis
is and how you might use it tomake your life what you want it
to be?
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Talk to you tomorrow.
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